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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 9:58:19am
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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:15:57am
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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:17:09am

What to do about Trump’s tailoring? We asked a tailor.

plus my comment from downstairs:

an ill fitting tux
and
i brought my kids, ya got room, right?

he’s a trashy, classless effin’ piker

——
now that you’ve let everyone know it, they are not laughing with you

the only thing not yet proved is how not-rich, monetarily, you really are

tax returns, financials, that’s what you really fear, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:20:28am
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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:23:01am

Haven’t Democrats been having other troubles with Rep. Neal investigating Trump?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:25:51am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:31:43am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just read a WaPo article about Wohl/Burkman, and I see where they got it. Absolutely mind-boggling. Boggled.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:34:04am

re: #7 retired cynic

I just read a WaPo article about Wohl/Burkman, and I see where they got it. Absolutely mind-boggling. Boggled.

And they keep getting away with that shit…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:35:44am
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:37:11am
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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:37:44am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he was a twitter bot before there was twitter

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Skip Intro  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:37:57am

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Alephnaught  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:38:48am

From previous thread:

re: #155 Dave In Austin

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:39:02am

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

And they keep getting away with that shit…

what we seem to be finding out in lots of different areas is when people decide not to play by established rules and standards there’s not a lot of consequences

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:42:27am

SHOTS FIRED

The Guardian is on a rampage. May escalate to a spree.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:43:45am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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fair enough, amanda.

can we ‘politicize’ las vegas yet?

or are you being way more brazen and actually saying we literally cant politicize any ‘tragedy of this magnitude?”

cause if that’s the case i gotta say you’re brilliant suggesting we can never, ever talk about any mass fucking shooting.

then we cant talk about what to do to reduce or prevent them.

amanda, you are awesome. if you’re that craven.
otherwise you’re just an ass.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:46:57am

re: #13 Alephnaught

From previous thread:

Jill Lennon
@karmatastrophe
* 3h
Replying to @AXE @tonyposnanski
Good to know you don’t support straight people. How very uninclusive and intolerant of you. My straight son and my straight partner have decided to no longer use your products, since you don’t support them. I’m glad, because I think @Axe smells like garbage. #stayoutofpolitics

your son and straight partner stink (or they will)

ps: what you said is not how ‘support’ works
so you probably stink too

(yes…im having one of those days)

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:48:15am

re: #13 Alephnaught

See, this is why I try not to let politics define my spending habits, otherwise I’d have to buy some Axe body spray, and since I’m in my 40s, that’d technically be a crime against humanity.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:49:12am

re: #18 KGxvi

I’m 40 and use the body wash, I like it

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:51:39am

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

SHOTS FIRED

The Guardian is on a rampage. May escalate to a spree.

I would argue that a rampage > spree.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:53:14am

re: #20 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes, but that’s in the Imperial system, in the Metric system, its the other way around.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:54:05am

re: #16 DangerMan

fair enough, amanda.

can we ‘politicize’ las vegas yet?

or are you being way more brazen and actually saying we literally cant politicize any ‘tragedy of this magnitude?”

cause if that’s the case i gotta say you’re brilliant suggesting we can never, ever talk about any mass fucking shooting.

then we cant talk about what to do to reduce or prevent them.

amanda, you are awesome. if you’re that craven.
otherwise you’re just an ass.

You just have to understand the ground rules for politicizing tragedies.

1. Was the perpetrator a straight white guy with potentially conservative (including alt-right) world views? If yes, then it can’t be politicized because obviously he was a lone wolf who doesn’t represent all straight white guys and it wouldn’t be right to blah blah blah

2. Does the perpetrator fail the paper bag test? If yes, then you can politicize it with respect to curtailing the civil rights of people who look like the perpetrator.

3. Was the perpetrator not Christian? If yes, you can politicize it in order to protect (white) Christians against the non-believers.

4. Was the perpetrator born outside the US? If yes, you can politicize it to stop the flow of all immigrants unless and until you can determine if all immigrants and their children and their children’s children should be removed from the country.

5. Did the perpetrator use guns? If so, you can’t politicize it, UNLESS your argument is that what we really need is more guns. In which case, you’re not politicizing the tragedy, you’re just pointing out the obvious fact that the only gun control that works is using both hands.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:54:35am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

She refers to others as “Liberals, extreme Democrats and Socialists”, then immediately scolds THEM for “Politicizing” a tragedy.

SMH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:54:51am
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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:55:43am

re: #19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m 40 and use the body wash, I like it

I switched over to the newer Old Spice stuff in my early 30s. Though I’ll admit, the Axe body wash isn’t bad. Nor is the solid deodorant. It’s mostly just the spray that’s terrible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:56:23am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“GOOD MORNING BRITIAN

oh…

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makeitstop  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:56:27am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks a couple of sizes too big. Some feat, considering how big-headed the wearer is.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:56:54am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

That entire image, it’s all photoshopped, right? Like every thing in it is from another photo, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:57:37am

re: #28 KGxvi

That entire image, it’s all photoshopped, right? Like every thing in it is from another photo, right?

who can really tell anymore?

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:58:36am

re: #22 KGxvi

You just have to understand the ground rules for politicizing tragedies.

1. Was the perpetrator a straight white guy with potentially conservative (including alt-right) world views? If yes, then it can’t be politicized because obviously he was a lone wolf who doesn’t represent all straight white guys and it wouldn’t be right to blah blah blah

2. Does the perpetrator fail the paper bag test? If yes, then you can politicize it with respect to curtailing the civil rights of people who look like the perpetrator.

3. Was the perpetrator not Christian? If yes, you can politicize it in order to protect (white) Christians against the non-believers.

4. Was the perpetrator born outside the US? If yes, you can politicize it to stop the flow of all immigrants unless and until you can determine if all immigrants and their children and their children’s children should be removed from the country.

5. Did the perpetrator use guns? If so, you can’t politicize it, UNLESS your argument is that what we really need is more guns. In which case, you’re not politicizing the tragedy, you’re just pointing out the obvious fact that the only gun control that works is using both hands.

my favorite reply in that thread was:
“if guns saved lives we’d be the safest country in the world. We’re not.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:58:39am

Churchill would have had some awesome insults for Trump.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:58:46am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

who can really tell anymore?

By the old gods and the new, it’s fucking real:

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:59:10am

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Churchill would have had some awesome insults for Trump.

And for Piers

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 5, 2019 • 10:59:17am
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Alephnaught  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:00:02am

re: #18 KGxvi

See, this is why I try not to let politics define my spending habits, otherwise I’d have to buy some Axe body spray, and since I’m in my 40s, that’d technically be a crime against humanity.

Believe it or not, a lot of people I know are in their 40s, and use Lynx, which is the UK version of Axe.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:00:20am

re: #19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m 40 and use the body wash, I like it

I’m 65. She uses bodywash on me.
I Like It!!

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:00:26am

re: #27 makeitstop

Looks a couple of sizes too big. Some feat, considering how big-headed the wearer is.

i think i read it wasnt an actual churchill’s hat, just the style

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Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:01:40am
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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:03:10am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Violence by Muslims is routinely treated as “terrorism,” White Supremacist violence isn’t.

Neo-Nazis are getting off the hook.

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Alephnaught  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:04:06am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump looks like a cut-price E.L. Wisty in that hat.

Peter Cook “E.L. Wisty bags Shelly Winters” (1986)

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Dave In Austin  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:09:19am

...

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:16:32am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:20:33am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

When are these fools going to learn that AOC ALWAYS comes prepared?

I swear, this woman could write a heck of a tome on how to be an effective legislator.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:20:40am

re: #25 KGxvi

i like the wash and deodorant but i have cologne if I want to smell good and don’t have to bathe in it.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:28:10am

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

yes, the rest could. she prepares ahead of time and is ready to catch them lying. I am not nearly as socialist as she comes off as but man i like her a lot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:32:57am

re: #45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Same. Don’t agree with everything she does but I love to watch her do it lol.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:36:14am

re: #16 DangerMan

fair enough, amanda.

can we ‘politicize’ las vegas yet?

or are you being way more brazen and actually saying we literally cant politicize any ‘tragedy of this magnitude?”

cause if that’s the case i gotta say you’re brilliant suggesting we can never, ever talk about any mass fucking shooting.

then we cant talk about what to do to reduce or prevent them.

amanda, you are awesome. if you’re that craven.
otherwise you’re just an ass.

It is standard NRA language: it’s always politicizing these crimes if you try to suggest a solution that involves any limitations on gun ownership or gun accessories. It’s always too early to talk about what to do immediately after the tragedy — and if you delay initiating a discussion, there is a new mass shooting so once again it’s too early to talk about real solutions.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:36:24am

re: #32 KGxvi

By the old gods and the new, it’s fucking real:

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it’s not that the hat’s too big
it’s that the head’s too small for the kind of statesmanship the hat requires

oh if this were his dukakis tank helmet moment

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:39:01am

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

When are these fools going to learn that AOC ALWAYS comes prepared?

I swear, this woman could write a heck of a tome on how to be an effective legislator.

its a stark contrast to how many of them just warm seats and take money

im not saying she and her staff arent working hard. just that most of this stuff is there for any legislator to easily find, but for the looking

she is very easily showing a lot of them this is how you do it, and by implication, that they havent been doing their jobs

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jimmyvluv4u  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:40:01am

re: #42 gocart mozart

Who said it, Trump or Vincent Adultman?

“I went to stock market today. I did a business.”

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mmmirele  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:44:56am

This is unbelievable. How fucking sick do you have to be?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:52:25am

re: #49 DangerMan

its a stark contrast to how many of them just warm seats and take money

im not saying she and her staff arent working hard. just that most of this stuff is there for any legislator to easily find, but for the looking

she is very easily showing a lot of them this is how you do it, and by implication, that they havent been doing their jobs

And they hate her for making them look bad.

But tough shit, assholes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:57:54am

I have not fact-checked every number presented here but they do seem accurate in light of what I do know, and with the proviso that they refer to domestic production.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 5, 2019 • 11:59:36am

You need this. Trust me

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:01:04pm

re: #54 Dave In Austin

You need this. Trust me

It’s in the previous thread. It is pretty awesome.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:05:05pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

i say we put tariffs on exporting to other states to recoup the losses we have had to endure under trump’s tax bullshit. /half snark.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:05:18pm

re: #55 Belafon

It’s in the previous thread. It is pretty awesome.

Whoops….. I guess that’s a good thing. Less time online and mote time in the shop. Bloody hothumid today. How much rain did you get? 1.27 here at the edge of Hill Country.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:05:26pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have not fact-checked every number presented here but they do seem accurate in light of what I do know, and with the proviso that they refer to domestic production.

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Yeah but we’re getting our asses kicked by New York and Oregon on rhubarb.

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:06:53pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:18:26pm

re: #58 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Yeah but we’re getting our asses kicked by New York and Oregon on rhubarb.

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California has also lost the top spot in asparagus production, possibly thanks to the Caliphobic machinations of Gongressman Louie Gohmert (R-Oil and Gas).

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:19:36pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Churchill would have had some awesome insults for Trump.

Something along the line of, “Every one rises to their level of incompetence. In the current President’s case, and then some.”

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BlueGrl21  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:20:19pm

re: #44 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

i like the wash and deodorant but i have cologne if I want to smell good and don’t have to bathe in it.

Boy’s locker rooms in high school reek of AXE. The kids spray it on heavily so they don’t have to shower. One whiff of teenaged boy funk and AXE will put you off of the spray for a lifetime.

I have to smell it when i walk through the empty locker room to my husband’s office. It’s awful.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:23:33pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Then again, California does fall short when it comes to producing “textured vegetable protein” and “high-fructose corn syrup”.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:29:03pm

Kragar spotting, with great news. Come back soon.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:29:27pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:33:14pm

re: #63 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Then again, California does fall short when it comes to producing “textured vegetable protein” and “high-fructose corn syrup”.

Raises an interesting point: California is the top ag state but super high volume crops like corn, wheat, and cotton are relatively less important than in other states. These are the crops that go mostly to industry or livestock feed. A higher percentage of California production is actually consumed by humans, making it even more dominant in the actual food supply.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:43:48pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

California has also lost the top spot in asparagus production, possibly thanks to the Caliphobic machinations of Gongressman Louie Gohmert (R-Oil and Gas).

two things i ate this weekend i dont normally
rhubarb (in a kickass lemon-rhubarb pie), and asparagus

later on things went south, as it were
correlation is not causation….i wonder….. nah.

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:46:33pm

re: #67 DangerMan

two things i ate this weekend i dont normally
rhubarb (in a kickass lemon-rhubarb pie), and asparagus

later on things went south, as it were
correlation is not causation….i wonder….. nah.

Unless you’re hanging upside down, it’s going to all go South.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:48:00pm

re: #61 Romantic Heretic

Something along the line of, “Every one rises to their level of incompetence. In the current President’s case, and then some.”

the peter principle is (in theory) based on job performance review and promotion.
there could be some protectionism / politicking involved

trump was booted into the stratosphere way beyond his ability by the delusions of 62m idiots

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:50:17pm

re: #68 Belafon

Unless you’re hanging upside down, it’s going to all go South.

fair point
i guess its more about throughput velocity and quality, eh?

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:51:03pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Raises an interesting point: California is the top ag state but super high volume crops like corn, wheat, and cotton are relatively less important than in other states. These are the crops that go mostly to industry or livestock feed. A higher percentage of California production is actually consumed by humans, making it even more dominant in the actual food supply.

Yet, California is also the largest dairy producing state in the country by quite a bit (almost 1.8m dairy cows in 2018). And is 17th in beef cows. Combining the two probably puts us in the top 10, if not the top 5.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:54:13pm

re: #71 KGxvi

Yet, California is also the largest dairy producing state in the country by quite a bit (almost 1.8m dairy cows in 2018). And is 17th in beef cows. Combining the two probably puts us in the top 10, if not the top 5.

Well, yeah…California has happy cows! How could it not be?

My Favorite California Happy Cows Commercials

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 12:59:03pm

There is a fight between the conservatives who want our dystopia to be “The Handmaid’s Tale” and the ones who want “The Hunger Games.” May they both lose. vox.com

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:05:55pm

re: #73 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There is a fight between the conservatives who want our dystopia to be “The Handmaid’s Tale” and the ones who want “The Hunger Games.” May they both lose. vox.com

In March, First Things published “Against the Dead Consensus,” an open letter signed by a number of prominent conservatives that served as a broadside against “fusionism,” which brought together libertarians, social conservatives, paleoconservatives, and “conservatarians” in a big tent of sorts united by opposing liberalism and the left.

I’m honestly surprised that fusionism has lasted as long as it has. I’ve been waiting for it to break apart since the mid-90s.

To a certain extent, it’s a shame we don’t have viable smaller parties like in most European nations. If the Republican or Democratic parties had to form coalition governments in the House or Senate, I think there’d be a bit less fuckery (especially in the Senate).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:09:59pm

re: #74 KGxvi

I’m honestly surprised that fusionism has lasted as long as it has. I’ve been waiting for it to break apart since the mid-90s.

To a certain extent, it’s a shame we don’t have viable smaller parties like in most European nations. If the Republican or Democratic parties had to form coalition governments in the House or Senate, I think there’d be a bit less fuckery (especially in the Senate).

I’ve been saying that as well. The GOP coalition is held together by corporate money. The fundies will soon finally get abortion criminalized across much of the nation, while the corporatists have been allowed to rape the country for decades.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:15:50pm

re: #73 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There is a fight between the conservatives who want our dystopia to be “The Handmaid’s Tale” and the ones who want “The Hunger Games.” May they both lose. vox.com

I’m sure they’ll compromise and try to go for both…

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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:16:32pm

re: #45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

yes, the rest could. she prepares ahead of time and is ready to catch them lying. I am not nearly as socialist as she comes off as but man i like her a lot.

I probably won’t live long enough to see her reach the proper age to run for president, but I would sure love to vote for her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:17:35pm

re: #71 KGxvi

Yet, California is also the largest dairy producing state in the country by quite a bit (almost 1.8m dairy cows in 2018). And is 17th in beef cows. Combining the two probably puts us in the top 10, if not the top 5.

California is 32nd in corn production, at 18.8m bushels. This is just .12% of the US total and 1/150th of Iowa’s total. Nationwide 6% of the corn crop is used for dairy feed and 9% for beef cattle. This means that a lot of California’s cattle feed is brought in from other states.

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lawhawk  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:19:09pm

re: #16 DangerMan

fair enough, amanda.

can we ‘politicize’ las vegas yet?

or are you being way more brazen and actually saying we literally cant politicize any ‘tragedy of this magnitude?”

cause if that’s the case i gotta say you’re brilliant suggesting we can never, ever talk about any mass fucking shooting.

then we cant talk about what to do to reduce or prevent them.

amanda, you are awesome. if you’re that craven.
otherwise you’re just an ass.

Still appropriate to this day.

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:25:53pm
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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:30:02pm

….”No Time Limit on Tax Fraud

If the Trump administration pursues the Koch tax behavior and finds fraud, it can collect taxes, penalties and interest back to 2010. That is because while there is a basic six-year limit on reaching back to collect unpaid taxes, there is no time limit when tax fraud is involved.

American tax law allows the IRS to reopen any audit where fraud was used to deceive auditors. Tax fraud can be pursued as a civil matter and also prosecuted as a felony, punishable with long prison terms.

Congress has absolute authority to inspect the tax returns under a 1924 anti-corruption law, to compel IRS Special Agent Galdys and others to testify in public hearings and to enact new laws to undo other tax dodges that Middleton uncovered when he was Koch’s top tax executive. Congress can also investigate who issued the orders to stop the IRS’s criminal investigation.

The next question: what happened during the audit of the 2011 and 2012 Koch company tax returns that the IRS eventually accepted as filed with no changes?”dcreport.org

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:40:08pm

FDR, December 8, 1941: “I’m asking Congress for a declaration of war!”
Isolationist GOP Congressman: “Now now, Mr. President, let’s not politicize this tragedy at Pearl Harbor.”

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steve_davis  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:42:00pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the thing i find most sad about Trump is how different his presidency could have been, even as a Republican. he could have turned out to be one of those old-school machine politicians of the first half of the twentieth century—outspoken, but sharp as whip; mildly corrupt by necessity, but with the best interests of the country and the populace at heart. Even if he’d been the reincarnation of Huey Long, with his proto-fascist tendencies, Long was at heart a socialist who rightly despised the Big Money interests in Louisiana. He would have been dangerous if he’d become president, but he likely wouldn’t have just been thoroughly incompetent. IMagine how different our view of Trump would be if his outspokenness was pitched towards reigning in the monied class and making life better for working families.

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steve_davis  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:43:10pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

who can really tell anymore?

Until someone definitively proves me wrong, I shall believe that the queen was holding up a “trump is a ****” sign at that photo-op.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:44:18pm

re: #80 jaunte

“Yet another Koch brother”

Holy hell, how many of these assholes are there??

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:44:32pm

re: #84 steve_davis

Until someone definitively proves me wrong, I shall believe that the queen was holding up a “trump is a ****” sign at that photo-op.

Someone enabled the “view thoughts” setting.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:44:49pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

too many.

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lawhawk  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:45:02pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

“Yet another Koch brother”

Holy hell, how many of these assholes are there??

All of them….. all of them.

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:45:37pm

re: #84 steve_davis

She actually was wearing her “trump is a ****” ruby brooch.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:47:08pm

re: #89 jaunte

Actually I think it was the ruby tiara that is supposed to guard against evil.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:51:08pm

re: #2 Belafon

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Democrats are dumb. I swear that some of them could care less about what Trump is doing to this country and the risk he poses to people of color, women and the LGBT.

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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:52:00pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

FDR, December 8, 1941: “I’m asking Congress for a declaration of war!”
Isolationist GOP Congressman: “Now now, Mr. President, let’s not politicize this tragedy at Pearl Harbor.”

Shall I nitpick? I shall. I shall nitpick.

On December 8, 1941 Germany’s ambassador to the US marched up to the State Department, knocked on the door, and delivered THEIR declaration of war against US. (I’m sure the calligraphy was beautiful). At that point, Congress had no choice but to say “okay, germany, if that’s what you want then that’s what you shall have.”

FDR had been wanting to to get into that war for awhile, but the isolationist faction in the Senate, with support from the Bund, had blocked him.

(I should say, pretending to be “neutral” and “isolationist”, but what they really wanted was for Germany to win. We know they weren’t really “neutral” about wars generally, assorted Central American adventures in service of the United Fruit Company had already proved that.)

There was a significant continent of Americans who shared FDR’s view and really wanted in much earlier; they ran away to Canada to join the Commonwealth forces.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:54:54pm

re: #67 DangerMan

Never heard of a rhubarb - lemon pie before. I’ve had and made rhubarb - strawberry pie which is delicious.

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 1:59:18pm

While an American administration sets up concentration camps at our southern border, the NYT Editorial Board tut-tuts all this negativity.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:05:57pm

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

Never heard of a rhubarb - lemon pie before. I’ve had and made rhubarb - strawberry pie which is delicious.

rhubarb mixed appropriately with other flavors is very under-rated

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:07:28pm

re: #94 jaunte

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While an American administration sets up concentration camps at our southern border, the NYT Editorial Board tut-tuts all this negativity.

THIS is why trump is able to be who he is in office

the NYT and most of the rest of the media have forgotten where they put their job descriptions

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:08:13pm

re: #94 jaunte

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While an American administration sets up concentration camps at our southern border, the NYT Editorial Board tut-tuts all this negativity.

Man, they keep finding new ways of losing subscribers, don’t they?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:09:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:11:57pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Stupid, tone deaf motherfucker.

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William Lewis  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:13:23pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Stupid fucking coward, WTF did you expect?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:16:08pm

re: #94 jaunte

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While an American administration sets up concentration camps at our southern border, the NYT Editorial Board tut-tuts all this negativity.

Isn’t the NYT Editorial Board actually pointing out how Trump continues his boorish dishonest ways overseas and that our allies have resigned themselves to behaving as well as possible given the impossibility of teaching him how to act appropriately? That no one is shocked any longer by his outrageous behavior and it reflects badly on us?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:18:08pm

re: #101 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t the NYT Editorial Board actually pointing out how Trump continues his boorish dishonest ways overseas and that our allies have resigned themselves to behaving as well as possible given the impossibility of teaching him how to act appropriately? That no one is shocked any longer by his outrageous behavior and it reflects badly on us?

Yes, but they seem wholly ignorant of their own role in normalizing Trumps stupid and insane behavior.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:20:27pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, they keep finding new ways of losing subscribers, don’t they?

Which one of the NYT stars wrote that bullshit?

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:22:09pm

re: #101 Hecuba’s daughter

I think a large part of the problem is they have a huge megaphone and in this piece they use it to talk about Trump’s undiplomatic rudeness while failing to mention the child abuse and torture.

“…Two years ago, Mr. Trump’s outrageous comments and tweets while a guest on foreign soil — calling the London mayor a “stone cold loser,” the leader of the opposition party “somewhat of a negative force” and the protests against his visit “fake news” — might have caused major shock. The inclusion of the president’s adult children in official events like a state dinner might have raised eyebrows. And the mockery of the president in the streets, including a giant statue of the president atop a golden toilet named the Dump Trump, would surely have created a stir.”

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:22:51pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid, tone deaf motherfucker.

Sociopath. He has no idea why it would be bad or why people aren’t on board.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:24:22pm

Kurt just had a massive meltdown, and it hasn’t stopped.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:25:50pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:29:42pm

re: #102 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, but they seem wholly ignorant of their own role in normalizing Trumps stupid and insane behavior.

That’s for sure. But it was NBC and The Apprentice that was responsible for creating the Trump myth and NBC never apologized for their role in the origins of this national nightmare.

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:30:53pm

re: #106 Scottish Dragon

Kurt just had a massive meltdown, and it hasn’t stopped.

I don’t think it was Democrats fighting against each other that was the issue. We do that all the time. What I think happened back then is that we had far too many people thinking that Clinton was not going to lose and so they went off and protest voted or stayed home.
If there’s a group of people I worry about right now, it’s those that think that Trump will lose and decide they can either protest vote or stay home. It will be a smaller group than in 2016, but no one should not vote for the Democratic nominee.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:32:55pm

re: #92 sagehen

Shall I nitpick? I shall. I shall nitpick.

On December 8, 1941 Germany’s ambassador to the US marched up to the State Department, knocked on the door, and delivered THEIR declaration of war against US. (I’m sure the calligraphy was beautiful). At that point, Congress had no choice but to say “okay, germany, if that’s what you want then that’s what you shall have.”

FDR had been wanting to to get into that war for awhile, but the isolationist faction in the Senate, with support from the Bund, had blocked him.

(I should say, pretending to be “neutral” and “isolationist”, but what they really wanted was for Germany to win. We know they weren’t really “neutral” about wars generally, assorted Central American adventures in service of the United Fruit Company had already proved that.)

There was a significant continent of Americans who shared FDR’s view and really wanted in much earlier; they ran away to Canada to join the Commonwealth forces.

The German Declaration of War was delivered on December 11, 1941; 4 days after the Pearl Harbor attack and 3 days after the US Congress declared war against Japan. Congress followed up with a declaration against Germany later the same day. As is customary, the German declaration was delivered to US Charge D’Affaires Leland Morris by Nazi foreign minister Ribbentrop in Berlin.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:33:36pm

re: #109 Belafon

I don’t think it was Democrats fighting against each other that was the issue. We do that all the time. What I think happened back then is that we had far too many people thinking that Clinton was not going to lose and so they went off and protest voted or stayed home.
If there’s a group of people I worry about right now, it’s those that think that Trump will lose and decide they can either protest vote or stay home. It will be a smaller group than in 2016, but no one should not vote for the Democratic nominee.

No — I don’t think that was it. There were too many who bought into the Putin-generated lie that Clinton was worse than Trump — that she was some kind of monster. This attitude is reflected today in those leftists that rant about Democratic corporatists who are trying once again to steal the election from the one and true savior — Bernie.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:34:05pm

Ha-ha. What a dilemma.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:36:57pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Trump was personally taken aback

that’s reporter-speak for ‘caught totally unawares’

he is ignorant, incurious, and happily so

he is constantly ‘taken aback’ because reality inevitably smacks him in his uninformed face

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:37:13pm

re: #112 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Ha-ha. What a dilemma.

Didn’t we handle a similar situation starting in the 1960’s by allowing anyone fleeing Cuba’s tyranny a home in the United States? Should this administration be publicly adopting a similar policy? ///

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:37:32pm

re: #113 DangerMan

that’s reporter-speak for ‘caught totally unawares’

he is ignorant, incurious, and happily so

he is constantly ‘taken aback’ because reality inevitably smacks him in his uninformed face

or what you said:

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid, tone deaf motherfucker.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:41:12pm

re: #109 Belafon

I don’t think it was Democrats fighting against each other that was the issue. We do that all the time. What I think happened back then is that we had far too many people thinking that Clinton was not going to lose and so they went off and protest voted or stayed home.
If there’s a group of people I worry about right now, it’s those that think that Trump will lose and decide they can either protest vote or stay home. It will be a smaller group than in 2016, but no one should not vote for the Democratic nominee.

i will repeat until it’s no longer necessary:

- When Democrats vote, Democrats win.
- #VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO IN 2020

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:41:47pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:42:28pm

re: #19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m 40 and use the body wash, I like it

Dr. Bronner’s.

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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:43:53pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s for sure. But it was NBC and The Apprentice that was responsible for creating the Trump myth and NBC never apologized for their role in the origins of this national nightmare.

And then Jeff Zucker moved to CNN, where he continued to promote Trump.

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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:45:11pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The German Declaration of War was delivered on December 11, 1941; 4 days after the Pearl Harbor attack and 3 days after the US Congress declared war against Japan. Congress followed up with a declaration against Germany later the same day. As is customary, the German declaration was delivered to US Charge D’Affaires Leland Morris by Nazi foreign minister Ribbentrop in Berlin.

Was I at least right about the beautiful calligraphy?

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:45:20pm

re: #111 Hecuba’s daughter

No — I don’t think that was it. There were too many who bought into the Putin-generated lie that Clinton was worse than Trump — that she was some kind of monster. This attitude is reflected today in those leftists that rant about Democratic corporatists who are trying once again to steal the election from the one and true savior — Bernie.

too many americans believe everything they read on the internet

and the russians figured it out first
it is unfortunately that simple, that brilliant, and that evil

neither fb nor twitter intended this when they were conceived
now they are enabling and monetizing it for personal gain

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mmmirele  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:46:55pm

Another Catholic bishop caught with his hands all over young priests AND in his diocese’s till. There’s just too much crazy to just excerpt.

A w.va. bishop spent millions on himself and sent cash to cardinals and young priests before his ouster, confidential Vatican report says

washingtonpost.com

The Post got its hands on two versions of the report, one that was redacted as to recipients of the bishop’s largesse, and one that was not.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:51:48pm

Four elite U.S. Special Operations troops charged in the death of a Green Beret soldier in Mali plotted to record him being sexually assaulted as part of a plan to embarrass him through hazing, according to one of the accused service members.

Marine Staff Sgt. Kevin Maxwell said in a written stipulation of facts submitted for the case that the plan included bursting into Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar’s bedroom in the capital city of Bamako with a sledgehammer, choking him until he fell unconscious, tying him up and recording the sexual assault on video. The service members involved had just returned from a night of drinking, he said.

Those statements roughly match the testimony of Chief Special Warfare Operator Adam C. Matthews, a former member of the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, who pleaded guilty in the case last month.
washingtonpost.com

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danarchy  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:58:03pm

re: #121 DangerMan

too many americans believe everything they read on the internet

and the russians figured it out first
it is unfortunately that simple, that brilliant, and that evil

neither fb nor twitter intended this when they were conceived
now they are enabling and monetizing it for personal gain

Both campaigns vastly outspent the Russians on facebook and everywhere else, I think we need to ask why the Russians were so much more effective, or if they really were that much more effective.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 2:58:39pm

re: #109 Belafon

I don’t think it was Democrats fighting against each other that was the issue. We do that all the time. What I think happened back then is that we had far too many people thinking that Clinton was not going to lose and so they went off and protest voted or stayed home.
If there’s a group of people I worry about right now, it’s those that think that Trump will lose and decide they can either protest vote or stay home. It will be a smaller group than in 2016, but no one should not vote for the Democratic nominee.

I don’t know how many people really stayed home in 2016. Sure there were some protest votes (I was undecided even in the booth and considered leaving it blank - I’m in California so it wouldn’t have mattered), but I think most of those hurt Trump as much as they hurt Clinton. The turnout question is a more interesting one, though.

Trump managed to out perform Romney nationally by 2 million votes. Clinton underperformed Obama in 2012 by about 80,000 votes. But in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania the numbers are even worse.

In Wisconsin, Trump actually got a couple thousand FEWER votes than Romney did. Unfortunately, Clinton got 350,000 fewer votes than Obama did in 2012. In Michigan, Trump got 164,000 more votes than Romney did, Clinton lost 300,000 votes from Obama’s turnout in 2012. Same story in Pennsylvania, Trump got 240,000 more votes than Romney, but Clinton actually lost 68,000 votes from Obama’s 2012 figures. In each case, had Clinton been able to simply hold Obama’s numbers from 2012 in those three states, she’d be president.

(all numbers from the wikipedia pages on the elections)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:00:49pm

re: #83 steve_davis

the thing i find most sad about Trump is how different his presidency could have been, even as a Republican. he could have turned out to be one of those old-school machine politicians of the first half of the twentieth century—outspoken, but sharp as whip; mildly corrupt by necessity, but with the best interests of the country and the populace at heart. Even if he’d been the reincarnation of Huey Long, with his proto-fascist tendencies, Long was at heart a socialist who rightly despised the Big Money interests in Louisiana. He would have been dangerous if he’d become president, but he likely wouldn’t have just been thoroughly incompetent. IMagine how different our view of Trump would be if his outspokenness was pitched towards reigning in the monied class and making life better for working families.

He has always been a grifter; that just wasn’t in the cards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:02:53pm

JFC, what a moron

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:09:13pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

He managed to avoid writing over the middle of the text with his black Sharpie, so good, I guess?

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:09:46pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:12:24pm
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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:12:35pm

re: #129 jaunte

We should recreate the awkwardness for southern governors by having events remembering the Confederacy’s unconditional and total surrender on an annual basis.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:14:22pm

re: #125 KGxvi

I don’t know how many people really stayed home in 2016. Sure there were some protest votes (I was undecided even in the booth and considered leaving it blank - I’m in California so it wouldn’t have mattered), but I think most of those hurt Trump as much as they hurt Clinton. The turnout question is a more interesting one, though.

Trump managed to out perform Romney nationally by 2 million votes. Clinton underperformed Obama in 2012 by about 80,000 votes. But in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania the numbers are even worse.

In Wisconsin, Trump actually got a couple thousand FEWER votes than Romney did. Unfortunately, Clinton got 350,000 fewer votes than Obama did in 2012. In Michigan, Trump got 164,000 more votes than Romney did, Clinton lost 300,000 votes from Obama’s turnout in 2012. Same story in Pennsylvania, Trump got 240,000 more votes than Romney, but Clinton actually lost 68,000 votes from Obama’s 2012 figures. In each case, had Clinton been able to simply hold Obama’s numbers from 2012 in those three states, she’d be president.

(all numbers from the wikipedia pages on the elections)

The protest vote hurt Clinton a lot more. The percentage of the electorate voting third party or independent went up 4 points, from less than 2% to nearly 6%. Clinton’s share of the electorate was nearly 3 points lower than Obama’s in 2012; Trump’s share was only about 1 point lower than Romney’s. 70% of the protest vote came out of the Democrat’s share.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:15:31pm

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He has always been a grifter; that just wasn’t in the cards.

Ace-o-Aces pointed out yesterday that in Trump’s 1990 Playboy interview, he supported the Chinese handling of Tiananmen Square because it showed strength. In the same interview, he disparaged Gorbachev:

” I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere—which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader—and we should continue giving him credit, because he’s destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish—their jobs”

Trump has always been enamored with strongmen and has a seeming contempt for those who truly negotiate. He treats everything as a zero-sum game.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:17:40pm

This moron is trying to make a big stink on Twitter today:

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:18:56pm

re: #134 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This moron is trying to make a big stink on Twitter today:

Youtube pulled Crowder’s ability to make money there.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:19:36pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The protest vote hurt Clinton a lot more. The percentage of the electorate voting third party or independent went up 4 points, from less than 2% to nearly 6%. Clinton’s share of the electorate was nearly 3 points lower than Obama’s in 2012; Trump’s share was only about 1 point lower than Romney’s. 70% of the protest vote came out of the Democrat’s share.

Let’s not forget the effect of voter disenfranchisement that was widespread in Republican run states. We don’t know how many non-voters were people who deliberately stayed home or people who discovered they were purged from voting rolls.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:21:50pm

re: #135 Belafon

Youtube pulled Crowder’s ability to make money there.

So he’s resorting to Twitter to try and make himself a grand martyr of sorts.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:22:35pm

The hate-right is so twisted they are unable to figure out why companies’ like Alphabet don’t want them. To whit:

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garzooma  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:22:38pm

re: #124 danarchy

Both campaigns vastly outspent the Russians on facebook and everywhere else, I think we need to ask why the Russians were so much more effective, or if they really were that much more effective.

The Russians weren’t bound by campaign finance disclosure rules. They could disguise their posts as not being part of a campaign, and therefore be more effective.

Whether or not their influence was decisive, it definitely had some effect. Which is to say that the 2016 election was not fair.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:23:14pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The protest vote hurt Clinton a lot more. The percentage of the electorate voting third party or independent went up 4 points, from less than 2% to nearly 6%. Clinton’s share of the electorate was nearly 3 points lower than Obama’s in 2012; Trump’s share was only about 1 point lower than Romney’s. 70% of the protest vote came out of the Democrat’s share.

Actually, not really. Looking at the numbers for the Libertarians and the Greens from 2012 and 2016 in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, this is what we see:

Libertarian
Michigan (12/16) 7,774/172,136
Wisconsin (12/16) 20,439/106,674
Pennsylvania (12/16) 49,991/146,715
Total increase: 347,321

Green
Michigan (12/16) 21,897/51,463
Wisconsin (12/16) 7,665/31,072
Pennsylvania (12/16) 21,341/49,941
Total increase: 81,573

It’s fairly safe to assume that most of the increase in votes for Gary Johnson were from disgruntled Republicans, and there were significantly more of them than there were disgruntled Democrats voting for Stein.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:24:58pm

re: #137 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So he’s resorting to Twitter to try and make himself a grand martyr of sorts.

It’s how it’s done.

And if Twitter deplatforms him, he becomes Laura Loomer.

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:26:23pm

re: #138 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

What kind of person would decry YouTube deplatforming but defend Nazi book burning?

Let’s checkout his profile, shall we.

“White. Blonde. Green Eyes. 75% Viking, 25% Saxon DNA.100% European. I-L22 Haplogroup. English. Nordic. Nationalist. Brexit Party activist. Farage will be PM.”

Checks out.

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:28:19pm

re: #142 gocart mozart

“…Among the authors whose books student leaders burned that night were well-known socialists such as Bertolt Brecht and August Bebel; the founder of the concept of communism, Karl Marx; critical “bourgeois” writers like the Austrian playwright Arthur Schnitzler; and “corrupting foreign influences,” among them American author Ernest Hemingway.

The fires also consumed several writings of the 1929 Nobel Prize-winning German author Thomas Mann, whose support of the Weimar Republic and critique of fascism raised Nazi ire. Also burned were works of international best-selling author Erich Maria Remarque. Nazi ideologues vilified Remarque’s unflinching description of war, All Quiet on the Western Front, as “a literary betrayal of the soldiers of the World War.” Works by early German literary critics of the Nazi regime were also burned, such as those of Erich Kästner, Heinrich Mann, and Ernst Gläser.

Other writers included on the blacklists were American authors Jack London, Theodore Dreiser, and Helen Keller, whose belief in social justice encouraged her to champion the disabled, pacifism, improved conditions for industrial workers, and women’s voting rights.

Jewish authors numbered among the writers whose works were burned, among them some of the most famous contemporary writers of the day, such as Franz Werfel, Max Brod, and Stefan Zweig.

Also among those works burned were the writings of beloved nineteenth-century German Jewish poet Heinrich Heine, who wrote in his 1820-1821 play Almansor the famous admonition, “Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen”: “Where they burn books, they will also ultimately burn people.”encyclopedia.ushmm.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:31:46pm

re: #139 garzooma

The Russians weren’t bound by campaign finance disclosure rules. They could disguise their posts as not being part of a campaign, and therefore be more effective.

Whether or not their influence was decisive, it definitely had some effect. Which is to say that the 2016 election was not fair.

There are many people who automatically dismiss official ads from parties as biased. But when they see discussions from those they respect (and too many on the left respect Wikileaks and GG), that can have a significant effect on their votes. Or they may see a comment from a friend they respect and not realize the origin of an attack.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:32:07pm
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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:33:50pm

Seriously, fuck every single Republican everywhere.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:34:17pm

re: #145 MsJ

I hope this is investigated as a possible hate crime. Dude was an army vet too. Holy hell.

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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:34:22pm

re: #140 KGxvi

…It’s fairly safe to assume that most of the increase in votes for Gary Johnson were from disgruntled Republicans,…

I don’t see that as a safe assumption. A lot of the general public has no idea the Libertarians are on the right. I could see an ignorant lefty sexist thinking G. Johnson was better than the Democrat or the Republican.

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jaunte  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:34:25pm

re: #146 MsJ

Cultists.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:35:06pm

re: #140 KGxvi

One more point on this:

Johnson’s nation wide vote total went from 1.275m in 2012 to 4.489m in 2016. Stein’s went from 469k to 1.457m. Combined with Trump getting 2m more votes than Romney, that’s where most of the approximately 7m “new” voters went.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:35:21pm

re: #146 MsJ

Seriously, fuck every single Republican everywhere.

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Stupid, tone deaf motherfuckers.

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:36:25pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

I don’t see that as a safe assumption. A lot of the general public has no idea the Libertarians are on the right. I could see an ignorant lefty sexist thinking G. Johnson was better than the Democrat or the Republican.

I think anyone willing to cast a protest vote (rather than simply go do something else) is much more likely to be someone like us - political junkies/close observers - and thus more likely to take the time to research the third party candidates.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:36:48pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:37:33pm

re: #146 MsJ

DT never served in the armed forces. Why should D-Day (Operation Overlord) be about a person who never served in the armed forces?

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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:38:40pm

re: #154 PhillyPretzel

DT never served in the armed forces. Why should D-Day (Operation Overlord) be about a person who never served in the armed forces?

Because if it’s not about him, he’ll throw a fit and do something stupid like pull the US out of NATO and the WTO…

(I wish I was joking, but I don’t know anymore)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:39:26pm

re: #154 PhillyPretzel

DT never served in the armed forces. Why should D-Day (Operation Overlord) be about a person who never served in the armed forces?

Not only that, but he wasn’t EVEN BORN when that event happened.

But you know the asshole will try and make it about him anyway.

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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:39:32pm

re: #152 KGxvi

I think anyone willing to cast a protest vote (rather than simply go do something else) is much more likely to be someone like us - political junkies/close observers - and thus more likely to take the time to research the third party candidates.

I jumped in with ignorance. What are they protesting?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:40:24pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I jumped in with ignorance. What are they protesting?

The fact their preferred candidate lost in the primaries.

See also:
Sanders, Bernie
Stein, Jill

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:43:07pm
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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:43:21pm
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KGxvi  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:45:14pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I jumped in with ignorance. What are they protesting?

Depends on who you ask. I’ve voted a couple of times for the Libertarian nominee because I wasn’t happy with either of the major parties or their nominees. I think that’s what most would say. Particularly with respect to 2016 - three million normally Republican voters chose to vote for Johnson instead of Trump or Clinton (as someone who used to occupy that space, I can understand it).

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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:46:24pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

The fact their preferred candidate lost in the primaries.

See also:
Sanders, Bernie
Stein, Jill

Thanks.

Lots of Berniebros operated out of sexism. They didn’t just hate Hillary, they hated the whole Democratic Party, in small part due to sexism. Make that present tense.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:46:54pm

re: #159 gocart mozart

EXCLUSIVE: We talk to three young white guys who could be the future of the Republican party.

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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:48:59pm

re: #161 KGxvi

Depends on who you ask. I’ve voted a couple of times for the Libertarian nominee because I wasn’t happy with either of the major parties or their nominees. I think that’s what most would say. Particularly with respect to 2016 - three million normally Republican voters chose to vote for Johnson instead of Trump or Clinton (as someone who used to occupy that space, I can understand it).

I used to be an activist in the Citizens’ Party. I can sympathize, and I can chastise, as I have chastised myself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:49:48pm

re: #154 PhillyPretzel

DT never served in the armed forces. Why should D-Day (Operation Overlord) be about a person who never served in the armed forces?

Not only did he avoid service, so did every member of his family. None served in the U.S. military. He should be humble in lauding those who actually served — but clearly such modesty is beyond Trump and his enablers. It’s always about him.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:50:01pm

People remain the fucking worst and I don’t recommend them at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:50:27pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:51:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:52:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:54:29pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:56:46pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I wish my cats wouldn’t eat their confetti, and distribute it in mache form.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 3:57:16pm

re: #140 KGxvi

Actually, not really. Looking at the numbers for the Libertarians and the Greens from 2012 and 2016 in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, this is what we see:

Libertarian
Michigan (12/16) 7,774/172,136
Wisconsin (12/16) 20,439/106,674
Pennsylvania (12/16) 49,991/146,715
Total increase: 347,321

Green
Michigan (12/16) 21,897/51,463
Wisconsin (12/16) 7,665/31,072
Pennsylvania (12/16) 21,341/49,941
Total increase: 81,573

It’s fairly safe to assume that most of the increase in votes for Gary Johnson were from disgruntled Republicans, and there were significantly more of them than there were disgruntled Democrats voting for Stein.

That isn’t a safe assumption, since non-GOP libertarians are pro gay rights and drug legalization. Republican voters are more white nationalist and social conservative than libertarian.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:00:23pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin in 2017 helped coordinate a $15 million direct investment in Braidy, using state tax dollars, making every Kentuckian a partial owner of the company.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:03:09pm

re: #172 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That isn’t a safe assumption, since non-GOP libertarians are pro gay rights and drug legalization. Republican voters are more white nationalist and social conservative than libertarian.

And Gary Johnson won acclaim for his support for marijuana: Gary Johnson clip

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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:03:36pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

I don’t see that as a safe assumption. A lot of the general public has no idea the Libertarians are on the right. I could see an ignorant lefty sexist thinking G. Johnson was better than the Democrat or the Republican.

William Weld was on Maher last week; he said the Johnson/Weld campaign did their own polling, and found 3/4 of their votes were from people who otherwise would have voted Trump, and 1/4 were from people who otherwise would have voted Clinton.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:05:23pm

re: #175 sagehen

William Weld was on Maher last week; he said the Johnson/Weld campaign did their own polling, and found 3/4 of their votes were from people who otherwise would have voted Trump, and 1/4 were from people who otherwise would have voted Clinton.

No particular reason to believe Weld, especially since such polling wouldn’t be particularly accurate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:09:11pm

re: #176 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No particular reason to believe Weld, especially since such polling wouldn’t be particularly accurate.

I don’t think Weld would be lying but would agree that any such polling would be inaccurate. I’ve been a Weld fan for years and think he would make a good president — except it would be Democrats in the legislature that would provide his support. His natural home was in the old Rockefeller wing of the Republican party; i.e. modern day Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:09:15pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:10:53pm

re: #176 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No particular reason to believe Weld, especially since such polling wouldn’t be particularly accurate.

Plus, that would be a good thing to say if you were running right now for the Republican nomination.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:11:34pm
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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:12:53pm

Or if Mexico decided to put a tariff on all American products until the US did something about all the guns bought here in States that end up in Cartel hands. (reminder; that was sort of the point of Fast & Furious. Every massacre in Mexico, the serial numbers on weapons that were found on the scene always traced back to American retailers.)

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sagehen  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:13:42pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

Plus, that would be a good thing to say if you were running right now for the Republican nomination.

Johnson and Weld were both two-term Republican governors; one in New Mexico, the other in Massachusetts.

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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:21:01pm

re: #182 sagehen

Johnson and Weld were both two-term Republican governors; one in New Mexico, the other in Massachusetts.

The transition between Libertarian and Republican is easier than the transition between Democratic Socialist and Democratic Party.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:30:12pm

They’re back for their annual week of flying over my house at 800’.

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:32:54pm

It’s about freakin’ time

News Media Finally Calling Trump a Liar

Washington Post: “It’s (almost) official: The president of the United States is a liar.”

This will not come as a revelation to people who have closely followed President Trump’s public statements and Twitter feed and have long doubted his veracity. It is, instead, a late-dawning recognition by mainstream news organizations, which until fairly recently shied away from branding the president’s many questionable utterances as outright lies

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plansbandc  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:33:38pm

If he gets another 4 years, all protests will be illegal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:33:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:35:48pm
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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:39:59pm
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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:40:17pm

re: #124 danarchy

Both campaigns vastly outspent the Russians on facebook and everywhere else, I think we need to ask why the Russians were so much more effective, or if they really were that much more effective.

I can’t find the cite right now
I read on politicalwire.com yesterday that the Russians used a bunch of first tier accounts to seed the message then hundreds of secondary sccounts to pick it up and mainstream it. Then americsn gullibility took over.

The point was they were even more effective than previously thought

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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:46:17pm

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not forget the effect of voter disenfranchisement that was widespread in Republican run states. We don’t know how many non-voters were people who deliberately stayed home or people who discovered they were purged from voting rolls.

We must start to teach/educate/remind everyone that ‘voting’ now includes verifying your registration early enough to remedy any ‘problems’

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 4:50:24pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:02:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:04:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:06:21pm

WTF?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:06:33pm

re: #193 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Apparently JaganaR doesn’t speak English either…

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Unabogie  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:12:44pm

Elizabeth Warren is really killing it at this townhall. Especially her answer on the idious Hyde Amendment and Joe Biden.

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Ming5000  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:13:36pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

I wish my cats wouldn’t eat their confetti, and distribute it in mache form.

I had to look up “mache”, but I am not sure this is correct:

THIS is Mâche — which is also called “corn lettuce” or “lamb’s lettuce”

.
If it is… what wonderful cats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:16:50pm

re: #198 Ming5000

I had to look up “mache”, but I am not sure this is correct:

.
If it is… what wonderful cats.

I was thinking more along the lines of paper mache

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:20:13pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:23:48pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:25:34pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:26:37pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was thinking more along the lines of paper mache

It’s like you can see between my ears.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:29:30pm

re: #186 plansbandc

Not protests led by “good” people such as the White Supremacists in Charlottesville.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:32:27pm

re: #193 gocart mozart

She’s good at plagiarizing in English, I’ll say that for Melania.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:35:47pm

I’m sorry. But this Sanders voter on the Chris Hayes show is pretty much exactly how I’ve been imagining the Sanders dudebro contingent. A stereotype, if you will.

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:37:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:42:28pm
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Unabogie  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:44:01pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

She’s killing it. I think she’s got the best messaging of any candidate running. Plus she’s just authentic as fuck when she talks about raising her kids and working for a living.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:44:23pm
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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:46:35pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

No idea how many people were in that car but there were no survivors. Fucking jerk in the black truck. Prison for murder.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:49:27pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

What the actual FUCK.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:51:38pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That’s me, too. Biden is my least favorite right now among the candidates whose names I can remember.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:52:47pm

I mean, you can’t go back. Biden seems to want to take us back to Clinton and Obama—and those were fine in many ways—but you can never go back.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:54:23pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

WTF?

[Embedded content]

Maybe he thinks you are Chuck C. Johnson? Or maybe HE IS Chuck C. Johnson doing some misdirection.

Or else he is just another dumbass Greenwaldorrhoid.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:54:58pm

re: #211 MsJ

No idea how many people were in that car but there were no survivors. Fucking jerk in the black truck. Prison for murder.

He’s arrested, held on $1mm bond, for murder. Killed the woman in that car and hit a pickup so hard it launched it off the highway into a parking structure with such force the structure sustained major damage. Drunk.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 5, 2019 • 5:58:54pm

re: #216 MsJ

He’s arrested, held on $1mm bond, for murder. Killed the woman in that car and hit a pickup so hard it launched it off the highway into a parking structure with such force the structure sustained major damage. Drunk.

[Flips desk, lights on fire.]

That TEARS it. I’m almost in favor of mandatory interlocks on cars. Between drunk drivers and mass shooters, I’m completely ready to go radical on some shit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:03:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:09:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:11:30pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:12:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:13:08pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:13:21pm

This meme is causing a stir among the “Derp, Nazis are leftists” crowd

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:14:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:15:55pm

Mile 3,861: We’re home. The Smart car goes on bed rest.

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Marsupial  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:20:19pm

re: #211 MsJ

There was one, and no, she didn’t make it. Amazing there was only one fatality. I work right down the street. This is all anyone has been talking about since yesterday. One car went off the freeway and took out a chunk of City Hall.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:23:07pm

I remember when wingnuts lost their fucking minds (all 2 brain cells) when the Obamas went to Hawaii for Christmas.

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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:26:27pm

re: #226 Marsupial

There was one, and no, she didn’t make it. Amazing there was only one fatality. I work right down the street. This is all anyone has been talking about since yesterday. One went off the freeway and took out a chunk of City Hall.

Someone did that, going past a car I was a passenger in. He was weaving a bit, going VERY fast, old pickup truck, nearly empty interstate in the middle of the night, and he hit the inside guardrail and just slid along it, emitting sparks all the way. We stopped, and he was perfectly fine, just drunker than a skunk. We waited until the police got there, and went on, counting our blessings that he didn’t ricochet off of us along the way.

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:28:33pm
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DangerMan  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:29:33pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

If Elizabeth Warren keeps going like this, she has my vote. She has a message that can win, and she has the courage of her convictions.

Which is why we do campaigns and have debates etc before we settle on our preferences and vote in primaries/caucuses

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:30:19pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:40:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:40:27pm

I can’t even begin to describe the intense, fiery rage that I feel while listening to these two dumbfucks, even more than the usual rage of hearing the orange dotard’s nasal whiny mouth noise.

Who has ever been asked by the draft board if they were a “fan” of the Vietnam war? Show of hands. It was a freaking WAR not a fan club.

Jesus Christ, the stupids, make it stop. It makes my brain hurt.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:56:44pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

I think if you just fish in the Tucker Carlson-end of the pond you’ll likely snag a few “stupidest”s each night.

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 6:56:53pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:03:03pm

Missile tech from China and nuclear tech from USA, what could go wrong?

I’m pretty sure there’s proliferation violations in that mess.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:03:24pm

“Who cares? They’re terrorists, anyway!”

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EPR-radar  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:08:52pm

re: #237 DodgerFan1988

All of these putrid motherfuckers in this disgusting abomination of the Trump administration need to spend decades dying of singularly painful and loathsome diseases before spending eternity in the deepest pits of Hell.

Fuck that fucking smegma elemental Trump, and all of his revolting supporters, with rusty and shit-stained farm implements.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:08:58pm

re: #237 DodgerFan1988

Tell me again how these aren’t concentration camps?

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:14:52pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:19:09pm

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

Tell me again how these aren’t concentration camps?

BECAUSE THAT’S NOT WHAT WE’RE CALLING THEM, LIBTARD!

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:20:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:26:11pm

75 years since D-Day. My mother will be 72 in August, my father 71 in November. Both of their fathers fought in the war, mother’s dad was in the Marines and participated in some island hopping in the Pacific (he never spoke, ever, about his experiences) and father’s dad was in the Air Force and bombed cities in Germany, Belgium, and France (he talked about his experiences constantly, always said it was the greatest time of his life). I never met my mother’s dad, he died before I was born.

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nicdanger  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:28:05pm

re: #226 Marsupial

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:28:49pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

Such stupidity should be an absolute disqualification for public office.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:32:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:47:28pm
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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:49:15pm

re: #248 gocart mozart

That’s almost true. There are a bunch of other of our oligarchy that would benefit from the same “touch me not.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:50:42pm

I have several pictures of me shaking Elizabeth Warren’s hand and mugging for the camera. I’m realistic, but I also have high hopes. I share Charles’s sentiment.

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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:53:14pm

re: #250 teleskiguy

I like what I have heard of several others, too. Am very interested in hearing the “debates.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:55:57pm

re: #251 retired cynic

I like what I have heard of several others, too. Am very interested in hearing the “debates.”

Kamala Harris is awesome. I really wish John Hickenlooper would step aside and run for Senate against Cory Gardner in Colorado.

Being a woman is damn near a prerequisite for government offices for me these days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:56:36pm

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

That posting is from November 2017 — so not a recent comment of hers; but of timeless ignorance.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:58:12pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Warren is going to raise taxes on the mega wealthy who got a tax cut they didn’t need. She’s not raising taxes on Everyday Americans. I hope the GOP is getting pushback on that claim.

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MsJ  Jun 5, 2019 • 7:59:46pm

re: #237 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

“Who cares? They’re terrorists, anyway!”

They will be. That’s the kind of shit that creates terrorists.

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:01:35pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:04:00pm
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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:05:10pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

Catastrophic for everyone, because they are tipping the planet from a possible save to certain disaster.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:08:07pm

re: #254 Patricia Kayden

Warren is going to raise taxes on the mega wealthy who got a tax cut they didn’t need. She’s not raising taxes on Everyday Americans. I hope the GOP is getting pushback on that claim.

It didn’t help Clinton in 1993 when he raised taxes only on the top 1.2% 1.6% of income earners. The RW media, which was not as prominent then as today, castigated it as a general tax increase, and the Democrats lost both the House and the Senate in 1994 as part of the Gingrich “revolution”.

Ed: my bad. I overstated the percentage affected by the Clinton tax increase.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:12:17pm

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

Then Democrats need to push hard against this GOP lie. Stop letting them get away with untruths. Warren is not proposing a tax on all Americans. Period.

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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:12:51pm

re: #260 Patricia Kayden

Tell the NYT

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:14:18pm

National Socialist?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:19:12pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:24:36pm

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t even begin to describe the intense, fiery rage that I feel while listening to these two dumbfucks, even more than the usual rage of hearing the orange dotard’s nasal whiny mouth noise.

Who has ever been asked by the draft board if they were a “fan” of the Vietnam war? Show of hands. It was a freaking WAR not a fan club.

Jesus Christ, the stupids, make it stop. It makes my brain hurt.

There are obscene things with a rusty unsharpened cactus I would do with that cabal of grifters if I could.

“Fan of the Vietnam War.” Yeah; that’s what my trip to Massachusetts was about, I’m a big fan.

Father’s Memorial Plaque in Chicopee
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:26:39pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:28:20pm
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retired cynic  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:30:50pm

re: #266 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Could be a Big Deal!

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gocart mozart  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:40:26pm
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Mattand  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:41:30pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

I’m sorry. But this Sanders voter on the Chris Hayes show is pretty much exactly how I’ve been imagining the Sanders dudebro contingent. A stereotype, if you will.

My neighbor down the street has really degenerated into a Bernie Bro. Three years on and he’s still straight-faced saying that Clinton and the DNC conspired against St. Bernie. I had to eventually mute him on Facebook, it got so bad.

One thing he constantly does is cite the hacked DNC emails as the smoking gun of the conspiracy. Never quite puts it together that he’s basically grateful to Assange, Wikileaks, and Putin for hacking the DNC.

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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:41:55pm

re: #264 Anymouse 🌹

I’m immensely glad you could take that picture. It’s whole human lives. It’s life. It might seem weird and rude, but I am happy for you, and this picture. Love you, man.

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plansbandc  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:42:14pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:49:10pm

Kragar still does stuff on a Twitter. This made me laugh.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:51:20pm

Trump’s “bone spurs” weren’t a fan of Vietnam either.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:51:31pm

Pro-Life reponse: “Meh.”

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:53:40pm

re: #274 DodgerFan1988

Again, it’s by design. The suffering and cruelty is the point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:58:03pm

re: #274 DodgerFan1988

Needlessly, heartlessly cruel.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 5, 2019 • 8:58:39pm

re: #276 Eclectic Cyborg

And by design.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 5, 2019 • 9:07:57pm

re: #268 gocart mozart

There’s a reason Republican politicians have been undermining the US education system all my life.

It’s really a puzzler why President Obama didn’t serve in Vietnam … after all, he was born the same year as my sister, so when my father was killed in Vietnam, that would have made Obama [pulls out calculator, damn, the batteries are dead, switch to pencil and paper, carry the nine]

six years old.

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Belafon  Jun 5, 2019 • 9:34:37pm

re: #268 gocart mozart

This gets runner-up:


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Outta My Head — Pomplamoose / Khalid Come see Nataly preform with Inara at Largo on June 18: bit.ly Save this song on Spotify: spoti.fiBecome a patron of our music (to vote on the songs we cover and get merch and stuff like that): patreon.com A ...
Thanos
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The Raconteurs - ‘Bored and Razed’ (Lyric Video) Lyric video for The Raconteurs “Bored and Razed" from their forthcoming album HELP US STRANGER – out June 21st. Listen to "Bored and Razed" here: theraconteurs.lnk.to Pre-order & pre-save the upcoming album HELP US STRANGER here: theraconteurs.lnk.to HELP US ...
Thanos
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SERGIO MENDES & BRASIL’66 - the LOOK of LOVEComposed by Burt Bacharach and Hal David and sung by Dusty Springfield, which appeared in the 1967 James Bond film Casino Royale.
Thanos
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Jeremy HuntWhen his name was mispronounced live on the BBC one morning we all had a good giggle, that first time, and then it takes a while to become funny again but we have done it: metro.co.uk
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Los Coast - ‘The Morning Weight’ [Live]The new album Samsara is available June 14: geni.us
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Suppressing the Press in Australia Dept: Police Launch Second Raid on the Media in 24 Hours The ABC's headquarters in Ultimo have been raided by federal police, with the broadcaster's manager describing it as a "worry" for press freedom. It's the second federal police raid on journalists in 24 hours, officers spending seven hours yesterday ...
Thanos
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An Ode to the ColonAnd paean sounded too renal-ish. Ok, maybe more homage. We take our bodies for granted - oh yes we do. All of us. All the things they do and are supposed to do. All the systems and subsystems, pieces, parts, ...
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