The Bob Cesca Podcast: Nuclear Sharks

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Hasbrook & Hasbrook:

Nuclear Sharks — NSFW! Jody Hamilton from SexyLiberal.com is here, and Rocky Mountain Mike from the Stephanie Miller Show is here to fill in for TRex; Trump was late for D-Day ceremonies; Trump’s Normandy speech; Morning Joe; Pfizer buried possible Alzheimer’s cure; Trump bans embryonic stem cell research at the NIH; Elizabeth Warren on MSNBC; Joe Biden’s plagiarism problem; with music by Monday Favors and A Sundae Drive; and more!

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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2019 • 8:55:04pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:07:53pm
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garzooma  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:10:57pm

re: #1 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Immigrants shouldn’t learn to speak English is apparently one of the new tenets of Trumpian conservatism.

It would be embarrassing if they learned to spell better than the President.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:14:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:18:10pm

re: #1 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Matthew Miller
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@matthewamiller
Immigrants shouldn’t learn to speak English is apparently one of the new tenets of Trumpian conservatism.

Nope — Trump doesn’t want any immigrants who aren’t already fluent in English and highly educated. His goal is to deport all those who attempt to emigrate from South of the border. He will not lose a single supporter no matter how badly he treats those who are fleeing from nightmare conditions because his supporters all share his contempt for those fleeing tyranny or poverty. They have no compassion for the suffering of others.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:20:15pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:41:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2019 • 9:42:06pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 6, 2019 • 10:54:03pm

Here’s a live one….

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Dread Pirate  Jun 6, 2019 • 11:33:42pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 6, 2019 • 11:48:09pm

re: #1 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Immigrants shouldn’t learn to speak English is apparently one of the new tenets of Trumpian conservatism.

I believe the thinking behind it is “we should not waste any resources on these unwelcome people”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 6, 2019 • 11:55:31pm

re: #9 Dave In Austin

This #PrideMonth foolishness is getting way out of hand. The LGBTQ are NOT persecuted. It’s openly celebrated and it’s all ONE BIG LIE.

I have a Log Cabin Republican college friend who insists that he has been more persecuted for being a Conservative than for being gay.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 6, 2019 • 11:55:58pm

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Greewald’s fate will be an interesting indicator of how things will go in Brazil. Does Bolsonaro hate gays more than he loves Russians? Time will tell.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:00:11am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:17:07am

Robert E. Lee statue sells in Dallas for more than $1.4 million

After a heated bidding war, a Robert E. Lee statue removed from a Dallas park in 2017 as a result of a City Council vote has a new owner. A bidder known only as “LawDude” bought it for $1,435,000, reports CBS Dallas.

Another bidder, “MustangJerry,” who was the first to place a bid - of $450,000 — topped out at $1,432,500 after placing 20 bids.

The Lone Star Auctioneers Inc. website said online bidding for the bronze sculpture ended Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.

Made in 1936, at the height of the Lost Cause in American culture. Minimum bid was $450K, the amount the city needed to recoup the cost of removing the thing. Looks like they made a tidy profit in the process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:18:47am

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Robert E. Lee statue sells in Dallas for more than $1.4 million

Made in 1936, at the height of the Lost Cause in American culture. Minimum bid was $450K, the amount the city needed to recoup the cost of removing the thing. Looks like they made a tidy profit in the process.

If you wanna put General Lee up on private property, the I guess that is your good right. Just do not honor the Confederacy with public money or on public property.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:54:16am
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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:03:24am
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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:04:46am

re: #18 Chrysicat

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The part I’m most surprised about is that Kilimnik was an Obama-and-Bush-era US asset. That’s impressive op security, though I’m disappointed in how much he did to continue Russian dominance in the last years of his life to maintain his cover.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:20:00am

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:20:47am

Cute wildlife cams 7 June 🐦🐿🐣 | BBC Springwatch

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:54:03am

re: #19 Chrysicat

The part I’m most surprised about is that Kilimnik was an Obama-and-Bush-era US asset. That’s impressive op security, though I’m disappointed in how much he did to continue Russian dominance in the last years of his life to maintain his cover.

Jeez, this looks a lot like a man about to suffer a food poisoning-induced heart attack while driving himself over a cliff while accidentally shooting himself in the back of the head from ten paces, pausing only once to reload…

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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:14:37am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jeez, this looks a lot like a man about to suffer from food poisoning while driving himself over a cliff while accidentally shooting himself in the back of the head from ten paces, pausing only once to reload…

Thus why I said “in the last years of his life” for someone who was ostensibly alive at the time I wrote it. 👹

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:19:11am

Blame shifting is how we avoid accepting something that is outside of our control.

In this case the discussion is about the decline of inner cities, urban sprawl, etc.

I rant here about flippers and their evil ways, but I acknowledge that flippers can only do their thing if there is a mass of people who buy their cheapness.

This is not just limited to academic discussions of urban planning.

Blame shifting is why Hitler is such an obsessive target of cheap entertainment and commentators. The idea is to blame shift onto a single person, failing to acknowledge that is was fascist Germany which created Hitler, not the reverse. Sure, leaders are called such because they are influencers, but that is what they are - influencers.

America created Trump and his presidency. We may be uncomfortable that there are tens of millions of our fellow Americans who are ignorant bigots, but that is what we have here in the 21st century.

Getting back to urban planning: it’s an easy thing to blame oil companies or General Motors for urban sprawl and the (often racist) hollowing out of cities, but that ignores that the Americans who moved did so because they wanted to do such.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:30:53am

re: #24 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

“…there were massive government efforts…” - that makes it sound as if there was some secret program hatched from the top.

But that is just a way to blame shift from those who created the decline of inner cities: the people who wanted to move.

There was a lot more to it than that. When I was born in Gary, there were distinct and segregated black and white neighborhoods. No real estate agent could think of selling a home to black in a white neighborhood without fear of being run out of the business, nor would banks even grant a mortgage.

But then things changed, and those white neighborhoods were full of homes that the families had paid off and had no plan to move out of.

But they just ripe for being flipped, so real estate agencies then raised the specter of hordes of blacks overrunning them, which encouraged the whites to sell out quickly and cheaply and then to re-sell them to blacks at a premium because it was a “mostly white neighborhood”…

My mom was a widow and could not afford to move at first. I saw how quickly the neighborhoods changed their ethic character.

That happened to us twice in Gary before my mom finally gave up and joined the white exodus to the suburbs.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:35:26am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…

But then things changed, and those white neighborhoods were full of homes that the families had paid off and had no plan to move out of.

But they just ripe for being flipped, so real estate agencies then raised the specter of hordes of blacks overrunning them, which encouraged the whites to sell out quickly and cheaply and then to re-sell them to blacks at a premium because it was a “mostly white neighborhood”…

…

My point is that the real estate salesmen didn’t create the desire to move - that was the inherent bigotry and racism that had long been part of American culture.

Real estate salesmen are opportunists, looking for fruit that is ripe to be picked.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:43:03am

So this happened this side of the pond. Major explosion in Linköping, central Sweden. 24 injured, explosion happened outside the apartment blocks. The usual suspects stinking up the twitter thread.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:44:40am

re: #24 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Getting back to urban planning: it’s an easy thing to blame oil companies or General Motors for urban sprawl and the (often racist) hollowing out of cities, but that ignores that the Americans who moved did so because they wanted to do such.

They “wanted” to do so because of massive subsidies, all of which were explicitly for white people only. Each new suburb had a federally-funded good sized park, a large library, brand new state of the art public schools, FHA mortgages were below-prime, 10% down, no credit record required, and only applied to districts zoned whites-only.

The banks, the federal government (and state governments, and in some cases county governments) pushed these policies because oil companies and car companies and tire companies and road construction companies lobbied them to do so.

People went to prison for it.
en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:45:20am

re: #26 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My point is that the real estate salesmen didn’t create the desire to move - that was the inherent bigotry and racism that had long been part of American culture.

Real estate salesmen are opportunists, looking for fruit that is ripe to be picked.

It wasn’t the desire to move, but it was the fear of blacks - and the fear of losing the value of their investment.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:27:23am

More and more good news.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:34:51am

Smart doggo.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:36:12am

Still no more 411 on this.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:56:30am

With Elizabeth Warren and other lawmakers intensifying their pressure on Silicon Valley, the big four tech companies have begun beefing up their lobbying operations for an all-out knife fight with Washington. Facebook, Amazon, Google, and Apple have made a major push to increase their presence in DC, doubling their combined spending and staffing up with lobbyists close to the White House, Capitol Hill, and regulators. “They are no longer upstarts dipping a toe in lobbying,” Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, told the New York Times on Wednesday. “They have both feet in.”

Per the Times, the four tech giants spent a combined $55 million on lobbying in 2018—about twice as much as the combined $27.4 million they spent in 2016. They’ve also registered 238 lobbyists this year, a vast majority of whom have served in government and political campaigns, including on behalf of lawmakers who could have a hand in regulating tech companies.

They get to whisper in your congress person’s ear a lot more often than you and I do.
vanityfair.com

They have good reason to build out their arsenal. On Capitol Hill, the companies have seen bipartisan inquiry about matters ranging from privacy to the role social media played in Russia’s election interference in 2016.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:53:09am

re: #3 garzooma

It would be embarrassing if they learned to spell better than the President.

…they get that far on the first day of class

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:54:25am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

You know that Tucker wouldn’t keep having you on if he couldn’t explicitly use you as a pawn to bolster his bullshit racist/fascist narrative, right

I mean you do know that, it’s not like you’re putting one over on him each time you’re on

GG: Useful idiot

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:56:11am

re: #9 Dave In Austin

Here’s a live one….

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what kind of person decides he needs to record a rant this instant while in his car?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:56:36am

It’s a marathon in a can!!!

Young adults today are imbibing less than previous generations, and many have kicked the habit altogether, preferring to make sobriety the hip choice. At the same time, health-conscious millennials are spending more money at the gym, even making group-fitness birthday celebrations a thing.

So it was only a matter of time before beverage manufacturers began marketing formulations tuned to your health, such as 26.2 Brew. The flagship drink of Marathon Brewing Company, a new branch of the Boston Beer Company (makers of Sam Adams), 26.2 purports to be a beer “for runners, by runners.” Created by marathoner, triathlete and cicerone Shelley Smith, 26.2 has 4.0 percent alcohol by volume, 9 grams of carbs and 120 calories. The golden ale is made in part with Himalayan sea salt — which helps to replenish your body with electrolytes.

Smith says hardworking runners are always looking for optimal post-workout drinks — ones that taste good and give them a buzz without undermining their fitness regimen.

nypost.com

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:06:37am

re: #37 Shropshire Slasher

The golden ale is made in part with Himalayan sea salt — which helps to replenish your body with electrolytes.

This beer has what plants crave! Beer > Brawndo.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:14:26am

First world problems (and it isn’t even Florida Man!)

A Florida neighborhood is beginning to look a lot like one of those terrifying scenes from the classic Alfred Hitchcock thriller ‘The Birds.’

That’s because hundreds of black vultures are invading the neighborhood, damaging the roofs they walk on and blocking sidewalks with their large, extended wings, according to CBS affiliate WKMG.

Residents think the vulture invasion is due to development encroaching on the birds’ previous habitat.

“It sounds like there are rocks being dropped on our rooftop,” a resident of the neighborhood told WKMG. He estimates 200 to 300 vultures live around the small subdivision.

Residents say the birds have been very destructive. One resident said he has replaced his pool screen three times because the vultures sharp talons tear it to shreds.

A defense mechanism that the vultures have is to regurgitate when startled. I blame the loss of DDT for the overabundance of such creatures. /
miami.cbslocal.com

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:22:57am

re: #37 Shropshire Slasher

It’s a marathon in a can!!!

nypost.com

george carlin:

you nail together two things that have never been nailed together before and some schmuck will buy it from you

ps salt is salt. you’d need to eat pounds of that Himalayan stuff to get any significant concentration let alone a ‘health’ benefit, from the trace elements

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jeffreyw  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:34:50am

Good morning!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:39:36am

Trump has already tweeted about the John Solomon piece on Kilimnik and that’s being amplified by the usual suspects. I suspect this is just the beginning of nefarious leaks intended to discredit Mueller report and silence witnesses. Sounds like no there there, but will blow up today and in the next few days on Fox, etc., for obvious reasons.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:43:57am

re: #42 Barefoot Grin

Trump has already tweeted about the John Solomon piece on Kilimnik and that’s being amplified by the usual suspects. I suspect this is just the beginning of nefarious leaks intended to discredit Mueller report and silence witnesses. Sounds like no there there, but will blow up today and in the next few days on Fox, etc., for obvious reasons.

This is long-game stuff, they have to build the case for Russiagate and discrediting the entire FBI and DNC

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:53:19am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is long-game stuff, they have to build the case for Russiagate and discrediting the entire FBI and DNC

In other words, they have to destroy everything to protect trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:55:07am

re: #44 I Would Prefer Not To

In other words, they have to destroy everything to protect trump.

they have a bigger goal, namely to destroy all the gains made in personal freedoms along with women’s, minority and LGBT rights in the past 50 years…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:59:34am

Let’s celebrate these expressions of straight pride! Gays are not being oppressed anymore, straight white guys are the new victims!!!

Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss on London bus

Melania Geymonat, 28, said the attack on her and girlfriend Chris happened on the top deck of a London night bus as they were travelling to Camden Town in the early hours of 30 May.

A group of young men began harassing them when they discovered the women were a couple, asking them to kiss while making sexual gestures.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:12:58am
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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:28:17am

re: #31 MsJ

Smart doggo.

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I have one of those for my dog. At first, he would just circle around it rapidly, because when he’d get a piece of food, he’d see the next piece to eat. Now he doesn’t do that because he’s not afraid the food is going to disappear, but he still eats a little too fast without it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:28:32am

Jobs report this morning showed net zero gains as downward revisions for the previous two months matched the 75k jobs reported for May. But the U6 unemployment rate (which includes the underemployed and people who want to work but aren’t looking because they don’t think they can find a job) dropped to 7.1%, the lowest level of this century. bls.gov

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:35:13am
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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:35:27am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:38:51am

re: #50 Belafon

Huckabee’s attempted dunk would’ve landed if Germany had spent the decades since erecting monuments to the defeated white supremacist regime, waving its flags and enacting laws that punished and oppressed those who were liberated.

Huckabee has no fucking idea about how Germany has dealt with its past. Especially for someone like Angela Merkel, who grew up in postwar East Germany.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:40:37am

re: #8 teleskiguy

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At this point all the Allies had done is successfully gotten a number of divisions ashore. Omaha Beach was still a mess, the beach heads were not connected at all. And the Day 1 goal of getting to Caen and the nearby airfields had not been completed.

So there was a lot more left to do simply to consolidate what they had. And then the task begins of building up forces faster than the Germans can bring in more troops of their own.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:42:52am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you wanna put General Lee up on private property, the I guess that is your good right. Just do not honor the Confederacy with public money or on public property.

Will be curious if it gets surrounded by Confederate battle flags and a small “heritage museum” as the new owner tries to grift some money out of the revisionists by building a little tourist trap place.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:44:31am

Pics don’t lie

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:46:57am

re: #48 Belafon

I have one of those for my dog. At first, he would just circle around it rapidly, because when he’d get a piece of food, he’d see the next piece to eat. Now he doesn’t do that because he’s not afraid the food is going to disappear, but he still eats a little too fast without it.

I had one of those for my Sam for a while. After he realized that he would get food on a regular basis, along with that bowl, he stopped scarfing down his food. He still eats faster than the other dogs but he doesn’t inhale everything like he used to.

And he ate the shit out of that bowl. All the little peaks were chewed up (I didn’t have a bowl like that, mine was all peaks and valleys). I think he enjoyed eating that bowl as much as he did the food in it!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:47:02am

re: #37 Shropshire Slasher

It’s a marathon in a can!!!

nypost.com

Himalayan sea salt is simply salt. It’s a grift.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:47:48am

re: #41 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Is the bird making a direct request for more peanuts before the jays get them all?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:47:59am

By June, 1944 the die had been cast; the Soviet Union was going to defeat Germany. But if D-Day had failed, it could’ve resulted in a postwar world in which the entire continent went Communist, possibly leaving the US isolated in a socialist world. So we owe those heroes of June 6 an enormous debt of gratitude for the sacrifice they made for us.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:48:21am

re: #51 DangerMan

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:51:11am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:51:19am

re: #59 NO SMOCKING GUN!

By June, 1944 the die had been cast; the Soviet Union was going to defeat Germany. But if D-Day had failed, it could’ve resulted in a postwar world in which the entire continent went Communist, possibly leaving the US isolated in a socialist world. So we owe those heroes of June 6 an enormous debt of gratitude for the sacrifice they made for us.

Yep, and Operation Bagration kicked off on June 23 and pretty much wrecked the Germans on the Eastern Front.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:52:54am

re: #61 MsJ

The punch line is the best part: Super Happy Fun America adopts Milo Yiannopoulos as new face of campaign advocating for ‘oppressed majority’ of heterosexuals.

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:53:26am

re: #55 DangerMan

Pics don’t lie

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poor woman … hasn’t she earned better?

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:54:34am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you wanna put General Lee up on private property, the I guess that is your good right. Just do not honor the Confederacy with public money or on public property.

granted, el-hi american history was a long time ago for me, so maybe this is fuzzy, revisionist, and muddled.

the way i remember it, the civil war was presented more or less as part of the common heritage of a single country that went through some turmoil, fought it out and then came to terms and moved on.

something like a husband and wife have a fight, maybe even separate, then reconcile. the marriage was continuous.

yes, of course reality was very different. we were not ‘a country divided’. the south in fact, left the union. they became the enemy of the union. they chose to fight a war against the union. they lost.

what im getting at is this kind of simplistic thinking (a single country divided and then healed) led and probably still leads many people to not get why celebrating secession and the taking up of arms against the ‘actual’ United States is perpetuating a lie and a myth.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:54:45am

re: #55 DangerMan

Pics don’t lie

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She should give a speech about how this is her own personal WW2, “Oh, wait, I served in that.”

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:55:49am

re: #63 Belafon

The punch line is the best part: Super Happy Fun America adopts Milo Yiannopoulos as new face of campaign advocating for ‘oppressed majority’ of heterosexuals.

Inorite? Irony fucking died.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:59:26am

Here is Kevin M. Kruse pwning Dipshit D’Stupid for like the 7,863rd time:
(thread)

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makeitstop  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:00:07am

re: #48 Belafon

I have one of those for my dog. At first, he would just circle around it rapidly, because when he’d get a piece of food, he’d see the next piece to eat. Now he doesn’t do that because he’s not afraid the food is going to disappear, but he still eats a little too fast without it.

When we first brought Scout home, he was suffering from ‘food anxiety’ from being in the rescue shelter and having to share his food with two other pups in his cage.

What we did was get a tennis ball and put it in the middle of his bowl, forcing him to eat around it. After a couple of weeks, it slowed his eating down to the point where he ate slower even without the ball.

As he’s gotten older he’s gone in the other direction - now he’ll pick out one or two bits of food and chew them up before he grabs another couple bits, repeat. It now takes him a few minutes to get through a bowl of food.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:00:11am

re: #57 Feline Fearless Leader

Himalayan sea salt is simply salt. It’s a grift.

But its mined by hand!

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:01:04am

re: #60 MsJ

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De veras

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:05:23am

re: #59 NO SMOCKING GUN!

By June, 1944 the die had been cast; the Soviet Union was going to defeat Germany. But if D-Day had failed, it could’ve resulted in a postwar world in which the entire continent went Communist, possibly leaving the US isolated in a socialist world. So we owe those heroes of June 6 an enormous debt of gratitude for the sacrifice they made for us.

We (i.e. Americans) often underestimate or are totally unaware of the essential role that Russia played in Hitler’s defeat.

My mother was with a group of London-based WAC’s that were sent to Normandy in August of 1944. They camped in the fields until they were ultimately transferred to Paris.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:09:06am

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep, and Operation Bagration kicked off on June 23 and pretty much wrecked the Germans on the Eastern Front.

That was as much of a brilliant feint as was D-Day, where the German General Staff (aka Hitler) was convinced that the invasion would take place in the Pas de Calais and Normandy was at most a diversion, the Russians had the Germans convinced that they would attack in the Ukraine.

Instead they attacked farther north, in Byelorussia, where the Germans had stripped the front of most of its tanks to move them to the Ukraine. The ruse worked again, as Hitler read the initial attacks as diversions until it was too late.

The cat was out of the Bagration, I guess, ha ha ha …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:11:26am

re: #65 DangerMan

granted, el-hi american history was a long time ago for me, so maybe this is fuzzy, revisionist, and muddled.

the way i remember it, the civil war was presented more or less as part of the common heritage of a single country that went through some turmoil, fought it out and then came to terms and moved on.

If you want to privately celebrate your family’s past and heritage that that is your own good right. But the motivation behind the public display of Confederate regalia was and is often not just a celebration of history and heritage but a reminder of who is still in charge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:13:27am

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

We (i.e. Americans) often underestimate or are totally unaware of the essential role that Russia played in Hitler’s defeat.

My mother was with a group of London-based WAC’s that were sent to Normandy in August of 1944. They camped in the fields until they were ultimately transferred to Paris.

I think that it was intentionally played down during the Cold War and we never really recovered from it. Face it, neither side could have won without the other, but at any given time, the overwhelming bulk of Axis forces (and resulting combat losses) were on the Eastern front

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:21:01am

re: #48 Belafon

I have one of those for my dog. At first, he would just circle around it rapidly, because when he’d get a piece of food, he’d see the next piece to eat. Now he doesn’t do that because he’s not afraid the food is going to disappear, but he still eats a little too fast without it.

We use the big Kong thing with a hole in the side. She has to push it around to get the kibbles out. From a bowl—gone in 20 seconds; with the Kong—takes a couple of minutes.

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:21:48am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would and have argued that the Soviets could have done it without us. Longer and higher casualties to be sure, but the Germans simply didn’t have the resources to win. Iron, coal, oil, tungsten, etc all put them in a hole that they could not ultimately get out of. As Tootze’s The Wages of Destruction shows, they lost the war the day they declared it. The only questions were how long and how many dead.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:23:15am

re: #77 William Lewis

I would and have argued that the Soviets could have done it without us. Longer and higher casualties to be sure, but the Germans simply didn’t have the resources to win. Iron, coal, oil, tungsten, etc all put them in a hole that they could not ultimately get out of. As Tootze’s The Wages of Destruction shows, they lost the war the day they declared it. The only questions were how long and how many dead.

If you’re only talking about burning through resources, sure. But the will to fight is a big component. Could the Russians have politically afforded to push all the way through on their own?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:25:54am

re: #78 Belafon

If you’re only talking about burning through resources, sure. But the will to fight is a big component. Could the Russians have politically afforded to push all the way through on their own?

If they had to face only the Russians, might the Germans have been able to develop a functioning nuclear weapon?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:27:43am

re: #77 William Lewis

I would and have argued that the Soviets could have done it without us. Longer and higher casualties to be sure, but the Germans simply didn’t have the resources to win. Iron, coal, oil, tungsten, etc all put them in a hole that they could not ultimately get out of. As Tootze’s The Wages of Destruction shows, they lost the war the day they declared it. The only questions were how long and how many dead.

we were also fighting the Japanese, which freed up all the troops they had stationed in Siberia to throw the Germans back from before the gates of Moscow in December of 1941

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:29:55am

re: #78 Belafon

If you’re only talking about burning through resources, sure. But the will to fight is a big component. Could the Russians have politically afforded to push all the way through on their own?

And not vital but helpful was the logistical support the Allies got to the USSR. Railroad locomotives (which alleviated the need for the USSR to make more), trucks, tanks, and food among other things.

Another factor of the Normandy landings and then the breakout is that it pretty much wrecked the German forward air defense and radar network. That eased the strategic bombing campaign’s job since a bunch of French targets were captured, British intruder flights and jamming planes could fly much closer to Germany, and the Germans got shorter warning of raids coming in. Plus, at this point, the 4-engine bomber forces were getting pretty built up and capable of inflicting more damage (though generally area bombing and not as pinpoint as the USAAF claimed it could do.)

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:31:42am

re: #77 William Lewis

I would and have argued that the Soviets could have done it without us. Longer and higher casualties to be sure, but the Germans simply didn’t have the resources to win. Iron, coal, oil, tungsten, etc all put them in a hole that they could not ultimately get out of. As Tootze’s The Wages of Destruction shows, they lost the war the day they declared it. The only questions were how long and how many dead.

I used to hold that opinion too. But even with all the other wars on other fronts, the Soviets nearly used up a generation as soldiers (e.g. 97% of men born 1918-20). I have wondered whether they had the manpower to keep fighting for a lot longer.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:33:01am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you want to privately celebrate your family’s past and heritage that that is your own good right. But the motivation behind the public display of Confederate regalia was and is often not just a celebration of history and heritage but a reminder of who is still in charge.

absolutely so

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Sir John Barron  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:33:24am

re: #1 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

[Embedded content]

“Only the right immigrants should assimilate and have to speak English the others shouldn’t be here or speak English or they should pay their own way to assimilate or learn English but while they’re here they should speak English on their own this is America I don’t want to have press “1” for English or 2 of Espanola! Don’t Tread On Me! MAGA!!”

/

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:34:08am

re: #79 Hecuba’s daughter

If they had to face only the Russians, might the Germans have been able to develop a functioning nuclear weapon?

The German nuclear program was pretty much a dead end. I think one of the post-war indications indicated that their experimental atomic pile was insufficiently shielded and that if it had gone critical it would have fatally irradiated their researchers.

Plus Germany would need to develop a means to get sufficient enriched uranium or plutonium to build a weapon. Given the scale it took for the USA to get the bomb it was pretty much out of the reach of Germany.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:34:18am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that it was intentionally played down during the Cold War and we never really recovered from it. Face it, neither side could have won without the other, but at any given time, the overwhelming bulk of Axis forces (and resulting combat losses) were on the Eastern front

True Dat.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:36:01am

re: #60 MsJ

Vomit

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:36:20am

re: #82 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I used to hold that opinion too. But even with all the other wars on other fronts, the Soviets nearly used up a generation as soldiers (e.g. 97% of men born 1918-20). I have wondered whether they had the manpower to keep fighting for a lot longer.

I recall reading somewhere that the Russians were starting to have manpower shortages. Not on the scale of the UK ones, but it does indicate that if it had only been Germany vs USSR it would have eventually been a larger issue given the expectation that the defeat of Germany would have taken longer.

I general take on it is the “USA beat the Nazis” or “Russia beat the Nazis” is pretty much crap since the real answer is “The Allies beat the Nazis”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:40:01am

re: #88 Feline Fearless Leader

I general take on it is the “USA beat the Nazis” or “Russia beat the Nazis” is pretty much crap since the real answer is “The Allies beat the Nazis”.

whereby the bulk of Axis forces and Axis losses were on the Eastern Front.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:42:33am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we were also fighting the Japanese, which freed up all the troops they had stationed in Siberia to throw the Germans back from before the gates of Moscow in December of 1941

And not only were WE fighting the Japanese - the Soviets (thanks to some lucky breaks they fought out in Manchuria in 1939) were not. Well, not until they opportunistically jumped in way late in the war. It’s an interesting alt-history to speculate on how the Pacific War would have played out if the USSR had gone all-in against Japan earlier on.

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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:45:13am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whereby the bulk of Axis forces and Axis losses were on the Eastern Front.

Agreed. MOSCOW BEAT THE NAZIS. The entire Western Allies were just opportunists.

It’s still a good thing they were, because Soviet socialism was the third-most-evil ideology of the 20th and 21st centuries, but they weren’t needed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:45:56am

re: #90 Jay C

And not only were WE fighting the Japanese - the Soviets (thanks to some lucky breaks they fought out in Manchuria in 1939) were not. Well, not until they opportunistically jumped in way late in the war. It’s an interesting alt-history to speculate on how the Pacific War would have played out if the USSR had gone all-in against Japan earlier on.

Russians had no interest in attacking Japan until they knew Japan was about to be defeated by the Allies in the Pacific.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:48:36am

re: #27 Teukka

So this happened this side of the pond. Major explosion in Linköping, central Sweden. 24 injured, explosion happened outside the apartment blocks. The usual suspects stinking up the twitter thread.

[Embedded content]

Update on the situation as of 1640 local (CET DST):

o Explosion occurred at 0900 local.
o Destruction is extensive, doors, balconies windows destroyed (there are photos where doors and windows — including frames — have been blown in/out).
o At 25 injured, lightly, only 2 remain at the hospital.
o Explosive device was located outside the buildings, on the street.
o Information is emerging that suggests biker gangs (e.g. Bandidos, Hells Angels) are involved.
o Terrorism and accident are less likely as causes for the explosion.
o Swedish Security Service (SÄPO / Säkerhetspolisen) is in the loop.
o Single explosion.

Will try to keep y’all posted.

So much for the stinker in the thread who tried to pin it on furriners….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:52:12am

re: #63 Belafon

Super Happy Fun America

Someone spent way too much time watching the Funimation dub of “Crayon Shin Chan”

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:52:20am

re: #93 Teukka

Update on the situation as of 1640 local (CET DST):

o Explosion occurred at 0900 local.
o Destruction is extensive, doors, balconies windows destroyed (there are photos where doors and windows — including frames — have been blown in/out).
o At 25 injured, lightly, only 2 remain at the hospital.
o Explosive device was located outside the buildings, on the street.
o Information is emerging that suggests biker gangs (e.g. Bandidos, Hells Angels) are involved.
o Terrorism and accident are less likely as causes for the explosion.
o Swedish Security Service (SÄPO / Säkerhetspolisen) is in the loop.
o Single explosion.

Will try to keep y’all posted.

So much for the stinker in the thread who tried to pin it on furriners….

Addendum: Before/after photo with slider in article:
expressen.se

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:53:11am

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

The German nuclear program was pretty much a dead end. I think one of the post-war indications indicated that their experimental atomic pile was insufficiently shielded and that if it had gone critical it would have fatally irradiated their researchers.

Plus Germany would need to develop a means to get sufficient enriched uranium or plutonium to build a weapon. Given the scale it took for the USA to get the bomb it was pretty much out of the reach of Germany.

Dunno: the Nazi atomic program was less of a dead-end than a (deliberate) slow track: Albert Speer (and Hitler) wanted their wonder-weapons on the front lines schnell: and the German researchers (given the relatively paltry resources they had been given up to that time) had had to give him a timeline of several years: ‘til 1946-47 or so, IIRC. Which wasn’t considered quick enough.

IIRC, when the German nuclear scientists (Heisenberg and pals) - who had been captured by the Allies and were being held in genteel captivity in England - heard the news about Hiroshima, they were supposedly astonished that Fermi, Oppenheimer and team had been able to construct a working bomb in as short a time as they had had. Until they heard how much (> $2billion in 1940s dollars) the US had spent…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:55:26am

JFC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:02:11am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Laura Ingraham tells her viewers not to believe what they just heard Donald Trump say.

she is just doing her job, telling people that his outrageous statements are not true or that his lies are not lies.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:02:31am

re: #90 Jay C

And not only were WE fighting the Japanese - the Soviets (thanks to some lucky breaks they fought out in Manchuria in 1939) were not. Well, not until they opportunistically jumped in way late in the war. It’s an interesting alt-history to speculate on how the Pacific War would have played out if the USSR had gone all-in against Japan earlier on.

Or if Japan had managed a win at Nomonhan.

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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:07:35am

re: #99 Barefoot Grin

Or if Japan had managed a win at Nomonhan.

That was before the Americans were in, right, and led to the Army’s decision that it had to strike south?

Had Japan won that, thus thinking they could grab resources without seizing the DEI and attacking the US, I’m afraid that there would have been nothing FDR could do to get a declaration of war against any Axis power. And it might have bled enough resources east that Stalin actually would have needed Western Allies support to win the European war. If Japan had continued to leave the US alone, that could have been very bad for everyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:14:14am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:16:23am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maggie Haberman

“There are those that say they have never seen the Queen have a better time, a more animated time.”

So Trump’s stenographer strikes again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:18:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:18:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:19:50am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:19:51am

ALERT! Another bullshit “National Emergency” is incoming!

Via The Hill - President Trump is planning to declare a new national emergency in order to implement sweeping tariffs on Mexico over the flow of Central American migrants to the U.S., according to a draft document of the declaration reviewed by The Hill.

According to the document, the new emergency is necessary due to “the failure of the Government of Mexico to take effective action to reduce the mass migration of aliens illegally crossing into the United States through Mexico.”

The new emergency declaration would follow a February emergency declaration, which Trump used to justify sending National Guard troops to support Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials at the southern border.

The draft document signals that the White House believes that imposing the tariffs under the February emergency declaration might not pass legal muster. But it remains unclear if a final decision has been made to invoke another emergency. The White House did not answer questions about the document.

Officials from the White House counsel’s office and the Justice Department floated the idea of a new declaration this week during a closed-door meeting with Republican senators.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:20:10am

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

DT has a stenographer? Does this person use Gregg or Pitman to keep track of his comments? As usual he is way behind the times.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:20:21am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remain astounded that some people take Ben seriously.

a) there are people who find him an eminently useful idiot

b) he has a very strong rhetorical style and is good at sounding like he has just won the argument

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:21:29am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was disappointed when a friend of mine I always thought was very sane and levelheaded sent me a “You gotta watch this!” email with links to Shapiro videos attached.

sigh….

The person in question is still a friend, but we aren’t as close as we used to be.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:21:42am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let’s celebrate these expressions of straight pride! Gays are not being oppressed anymore, straight white guys are the new victims!!!

Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss on London bus

Melania Geymonat, 28, said the attack on her and girlfriend Chris happened on the top deck of a London night bus as they were travelling to Camden Town in the early hours of 30 May.

A group of young men began harassing them when they discovered the women were a couple, asking them to kiss while making sexual gestures.

Am I too harsh [y/n]?

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:24:18am

re: #110 Teukka

[Embedded content]

Am I too harsh [y/n]?

Only slightly [IMHO].

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:24:26am

re: #110 Teukka

There wasn’t anyone on else on the bus that could put those jerks in their place?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:24:48am

re: #79 Hecuba’s daughter

If they had to face only the Russians, might the Germans have been able to develop a functioning nuclear weapon?

Heisenberg was fiddling around with a primitive atomic pile, but Germany didn’t have a serious Manhattan Project style nuclear weapons program.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:26:38am

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

There wasn’t anyone on else on the bus that could put those jerks in their place?

Apparently not. I would go in “one false move more and I crack open a virgin can o’ quality whoop-ass” in such a situation, or at the very least do what I can to ensure law enforcement gets on the scene and the identity of the alt-rightists can be ascertained.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:31:27am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Irony just suffered a mini-stroke.

…

“I think Hillary should be in jail. Lock her up. Lock her up.”

— Sean Hannity, on Fox News in January 2018.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:34:01am

re: #115 DangerMan

Hannity will blame it on spending some time with Alan Combs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:34:45am

re: #115 DangerMan

Hannity says calls to jail Trump make U.S. “a banana republic.” Let’s review his tapes on Hillary Clinton. wapo.st

“I think Hillary should be in jail. Lock her up. Lock her up.”

— Sean Hannity, on Fox News in January 2018.

Actually, it was the election of Trump that made the U.S. a banana republic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:37:23am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:37:41am

re: #115 DangerMan

“I think Hillary should be in jail. Lock her up. Lock her up.”

— Sean Hannity, on Fox News in January 2018.

Only a matter of time before Slumlord Sean gets time in the Slammer….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:38:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:39:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:40:17am
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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:42:17am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

In 2017, @trump Org made this promise:
“No communications of the Organization, including social media accounts, will reference or otherwise be tied to [@realdonaldtrump’s] role as President of the United States.”

he also made this one re any possible violations of the emoluments clause:

“any profits from foreign governments would be donated to charity, so “problem solved.”“

today they’re saying it’s too hard to figure out which money came from foreign governments, and which money did not, so they can’t possibly be expected to abide by the emoluments clause.

true enough and anyone not in the bag for trump saw this coming a mile off. as electoral-vote.com says this AM, “approximately 1 million people pointed out that, given the complexity of his portfolio, he would never be able to separate out the “foreign” profits in any meaningful way. “

in a sense, the guy is brilliant. he makes outrageous statements. people lap it up. and 3 years later when it comes back calling, he does a 180 AND we find there’s no teeth in any rule law or regulation to hold him accountable.

i do not say he plans all this out with machieavellian brilliance

only that it keeps happening time and again

only the best
i will release my tax returns
mexico will pay for the wall

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:43:23am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

ALERT! Another bullshit “National Emergency” is incoming!

Via The Hill - President Trump is planning to declare a new national emergency in order to implement sweeping tariffs on Mexico over the flow of Central American migrants to the U.S., according to a draft document of the declaration reviewed by The Hill.

According to the document, the new emergency is necessary due to “the failure of the Government of Mexico to take effective action to reduce the mass migration of aliens illegally crossing into the United States through Mexico.”

The new emergency declaration would follow a February emergency declaration, which Trump used to justify sending National Guard troops to support Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials at the southern border.

The draft document signals that the White House believes that imposing the tariffs under the February emergency declaration might not pass legal muster. But it remains unclear if a final decision has been made to invoke another emergency. The White House did not answer questions about the document.

Officials from the White House counsel’s office and the Justice Department floated the idea of a new declaration this week during a closed-door meeting with Republican senators.

he dont know how to work with congress so he’s only got three tools
- exec orders
- tariffs
- national emergencies

so every problem looks like a nail

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:44:13am

I’ve been struggling to get the company I work for on Amazon’s seller central. Keep getting rejected. Got this response:

Hello

My name is Poojitha and I’m a member of the Amazon escalations team. Jeff Bezos received your email and I am responding on his behalf.

I have thaoroughly reviewed your account and the information you have provided and determined that you may not sell on amazon.com.

Despite previously submitted plans of action and opportunities you have been given, your performance has failed to improve in a consistent manner.
Sincerely,
Seller Performance Team

We have never sold on Seller Central. (Company was taken over by another company. It’s a new application, but they did charge us for the initial fee).
so fucking frustrating.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:46:05am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

my ma always put my name on the inside of my clothes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:47:16am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:50:43am

re: #91 Chrysicat

Agreed. MOSCOW BEAT THE NAZIS. The entire Western Allies were just opportunists.

It’s still a good thing they were, because Soviet socialism was the third-most-evil ideology of the 20th and 21st centuries, but they weren’t needed.

Another interesting alt-history would’ve been if D-Day had failed due to weather or something and the War didn’t end until Zukhov’s tanks rolled into Paris. With the entire continent Communist, the UK’s Labour gov’t throws in with the Soviet bloc, leaving the US isolated in a mostly socialist world.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:50:51am

re: #123 DangerMan

ps re the emoluments and you cant possibly figure it out:

you said you wouldnt pocket the foreign profits
now youre saying since you cant figure it out accurately you’ll just have to pocket ALL the profits

you dangled “charity” to make your ‘proposal’ more appealing

so:
it’s for charity
you could estimate - something, anything more than zero

fucking cheapskate

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terraincognita  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:51:38am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

H. L. Mencken would undeniably understand and admire you for your observation.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:51:55am

re: #125 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ve been struggling to get the company I work for on Amazon’s seller central. Keep getting rejected. Got this response:

We have never sold on Seller Central. (Company was taken over by another company. It’s a new application, but they did charge us for the initial fee).
so fucking frustrating.

hey, Jeff got your email!
(of course he did)

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:56:01am

re: #125 I Would Prefer Not To

Ugh! The worst form responses are the ones where it’s so clear they’ve never even looked at the message to which they’re supposedly replying.

(Looking at YOU, Spectrum, and your automated “help” chats…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:56:46am

gee…imma guessing that if the donor dictated the money be used for the football program, there would not be so much indignant pearl clutching outrage…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:58:19am

re: #132 i(m)p(each)sos

Ugh! The worst form responses are the ones where it’s so clear they’ve never even looked at the message to which they’re supposedly replying.

(Looking at YOU, Spectrum, and your automated “help” chats…)

can you spot the misspelled word?

I have thaoroughly reviewed your account and the information you have provided and determined that you may not sell on amazon.com.

They are a near monopoly and act like it.

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plansbandc  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:07:30am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

My libertarian friend loves him some Ben Shapiro.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:07:51am

re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To

can you spot the misspelled word?

I have thaoroughly reviewed your account and the information you have provided and determined that you may not sell on amazon.com.

They are a near monopoly and act like it.

Well, it obviously wasn’t a THOROUGH review…

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:18:37am

re: #135 plansbandc

My libertarian friend loves him some Ben Shapiro.

Ayn Randism is like the exact opposite of Torah Judaism which Ben claims to represent. Can I say he is a JINO like he always accuses others?

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:24:11am

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Ayn Randism is like the exact opposite of Torah Judaism which Ben claims to represent. Can I say he is a JINO like he always accuses others?

ben is a pseudo, a phony
he sounds and pretends like a ‘smart person’, an intellectual
when there’s nothing actually there

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:29:31am

re: #135 plansbandc

My libertarian friend loves him some Ben Shapiro.

I am confused. What views does (e.g.) Ben share with either of the candidates on the Libertarian ticket in 2016? Ross Perot’s running mate James Stockdale was also a libertarian. Am wracking my brains to figure out what Ben has in common with any of these candidates — other than being a white male?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:31:39am

re: #138 DangerMan

ben is a pseudo, a phony
he sounds and pretends like a ‘smart person’, an intellectual
when there’s nothing actually there

he is very good at sounding like a smart person and he is to some extent, at least when it comes to debating and rhetorical skills.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:33:42am
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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:37:42am

re: #139 Hecuba’s daughter

I am confused. What views does (e.g.) Ben share with either of the candidates on the Libertarian ticket in 2016? Ross Perot’s running mate James Stockdale was also a libertarian. Am wracking my brains to figure out what Ben has in common with any of these candidates — other than being a white male?

AFAIK, there’s no Libertarian platform. There’s a set of collective beliefs, and all other beliefs are allowed, so long as you adhere to some Randian ones. And there’s small ‘l’ libertarianism, which may or may not be different.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:39:51am

re: #142 wrenchwench

AFAIK, there’s no Libertarian platform. There’s a set of collective beliefs, and all other beliefs are allowed, so long as you adhere to some Randian ones. And there’s small ‘l’ libertarianism, which may or may not be different.

legal weed!!!

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:41:05am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

legal weed!!!

One of the few unifying principles.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:44:06am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

legal weed!!!

Wow!! They all do, don’t they? Certainly seems like the only position they hold in common.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:48:50am

re: #142 wrenchwench

AFAIK, there’s no Libertarian platform. There’s a set of collective beliefs, and all other beliefs are allowed, so long as you adhere to some Randian ones. And there’s small ‘l’ libertarianism, which may or may not be different.

Ayn Rand = I got mine, fuck you.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:52:47am

re: #141 wrenchwench

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Disgusting as this crap is, I’m sure that, eventually, there will be some sort of criticism publicized about how statements/attitudes like this are unacceptable, and lower the level of public discourse…

By this, of course, I mean that should Donald Trump ever suffer a similar ailment*, the same media that shrug off/dismiss/ignore stuff like this will latch onto some obscure lefty blogger gloating over it, and hysterically pearl-clutch about how common humanity is vanishing from the public forum….

* Though as fat and out-of-shape as Dolt 45 is, I’d guess it would be more like “massive myocardial infarction” rather than “glioblastoma” that’ll shuffle him off the mortal coil…

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:53:25am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

May I ask what Trump said that she told them not to believe?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:57:50am

re: #146 I Would Prefer Not To

Ayn Rand = I got mine, fuck you.

If we all hatched out as fully formed individuals and could be fitted with an educational chip and then sent out to realize our potential, then Randianism might begin to make sense. But we come into this world and often leave it fully dependent on others and I want to live in a system that reflects that aspect of humanity

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:58:29am

re: #148 Belafon

May I ask what Trump said that she told them not to believe?

‘everything, katie’ // 1/2

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:06:14am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

legal weed!!!

Basically. Other fairly consistent libertarian positions:

- Land use / environmental regs are bad and all harm can be dealt with after it has occurred
- Racism is dumb but businesses should be allowed to discriminate because freedom
- “It’s called ephebophilia”

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:06:31am

re: #141 wrenchwench

“How dare the writer disparage my father like that!” - Meghan McCain

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:14:24am

re: #148 Belafon

May I ask what Trump said that she told them not to believe?

It might be specifically his claim during the interview that he was holding up the entire D Day ceremony just for this interview. It seems like the delay may have been because of Macron’s late arrival, but Trump openly made this assertion.

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plansbandc  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:14:44am

re: #146 I Would Prefer Not To

So the trumpster side of the family? My cousins are big proponents of Ayn Rand. Whee.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:19:24am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

legal weed!!!

You watch… Executive Order before the election.

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makeitstop  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:21:41am

re: #141 wrenchwench

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Heartless son of a bitch.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:21:44am

re: #155 Dave In Austin

You watch… Executive Order before the election.

Which would be wild since it’s still the most effective way to harass and arrest black people. And we all know Trump gets a thrill that that still occurs.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:24:22am

re: #147 Jay C

Disgusting as this crap is, I’m sure that, eventually, there will be some sort of criticism publicized about how statements/attitudes like this are unacceptable, and lower the level of public discourse…

By this, of course, I mean that should Donald Trump ever suffer a similar ailment*, the same media that shrug off/dismiss/ignore stuff like this will latch onto some obscure lefty blogger gloating over it, and hysterically pearl-clutch about how common humanity is vanishing from the public forum….

* Though as fat and out-of-shape as Dolt 45 is, I’d guess it would be more like “massive myocardial infarction” rather than “glioblastoma” that’ll shuffle him off the mortal coil…

And another reason to tell Trump to go fuck himself. That’s the same cancer that killed my mother in less than a year after diagnosis despite surgery and radiation. (Without the surgery it would have essentially killed her in under two months from diagnosis - this is a very aggressively growing cancer.)

Treating it like GOD or something is punishing people you don’t like by giving them deadly diseases is something that pisses me off.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:27:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:31:07am

re: #159 Belafon

Putin reminding Trump who is in charge?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:31:37am

Kragar still bringing it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:32:12am

If that Udaloy-class had tried that sort of thing with HMAS Melbourne then it probably would have shortly been in a world of hurt.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:32:46am

Cheryl Rofer at balloon-juice.com makes an observation about Russia’s defeating the Germans:

The Russian government has been cranky this week over the observances of the 75th anniversary of D-Day. The Allied landings on Normandy beaches were the beginning of the end of Germany’s Western Front.

Russia would like to have a word about that. Russia defeated Germany’s Eastern Front, at enormous cost. The message the Russian government was trying to get out was that it was the eastern front that was really the defeat of Hitler. Further, Russia is owed bigtime by the rest of Europe for that.

The Russian role in World War II is often minimized in Western versions of the defeat of Hitler. Russia suffered enormous losses.

But the Russian role is not unambiguous. In 1939, the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to fight together with Germany and divide up the parts of Europe between their then boundaries after the victory. That assured Hitler that he could concentrate on the Western Front and invade France and adjacent countries while bombing the UK. Without the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and with the USSR solidly standing with the rest of Europe, Hitler would have had to think twice.

Hitler double-crossed Stalin, of course, by invading Soviet territory in 1941. That forced Russia to fight on the side of the Western allies. Russia could have put up a better fight if Stalin hadn’t purged the generals in 1937. The Soviet military was in disarray, allowing the German army almost to reach Moscow.

Meanwhile, bombing on the Western Front weakened Hitler, and American Lend-Lease strengthened the Soviets. But a competition remained: Soviet spies were sending the plans for American nuclear weapons to Moscow, and there was a race in the Far East to occupy Japan first.

But Russia wants the story to be of the damage it survived and went on to help the Allies win. That is true, but it is only part of the story.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:33:11am

re: #154 plansbandc

So the trumpster side of the family? My cousins are big proponents of Ayn Rand. Whee.

So is Trump — he praised The Fountainhead. My guess, though, is he saw the movie rather than read the book. But maybe I am wrong.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:33:25am

re: #159 Belafon

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“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
— Admiral Josh Painter, “The Hunt for Red October”.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:34:00am

re: #155 Dave In Austin

You watch… Executive Order before the election.

rescinded the day after the vote

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:34:16am

re: #141 wrenchwench

Every day as more of his criminality and human dysfunction comes to light, Trump supporters get creepier.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:34:25am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:36:41am

Long thread

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:41:13am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:42:48am

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Imagine being Trump and thinking you’re somehow involved in doing Science and going to Mars.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:44:30am

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Wait, the Moon is a part of MARS??? What the fuckety fuck? That’s enormous stupidity, even for Trump.

A first grader would be smart enough to not make that mistake. JFC.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:45:28am

re: #171 jaunte

Imagine being Trump and thinking you’re somehow involved in doing Science and going to Mars.

Oxymoron alert:
“Imagine being Trump and thinking...”

But SRSLY: “Including Mars (of which the Moon is a part)” ???

Which part, Donald??

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:46:19am

re: #173 Jay C

Maybe he means going to the Moon is part of going to Mars, but then why not talk about going to the Moon?

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:47:15am

NASA Announces Ten Year Project To Teach Trump English

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:48:02am

He is probably confused about how a moon base could make fuel cheaper than on earth for a regular flight to Mars.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:48:07am
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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:49:41am

re: #175 jaunte

NASA Announces Ten Year Project To Teach Trump English

Fuhgeddaboudit….
Putting a crew on Mars is likely the way-easier task.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:50:46am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we all hatched out as fully formed individuals and could be fitted with an educational chip and then sent out to realize our potential, then Randianism might begin to make sense. But we come into this world and often leave it fully dependent on others and I want to live in a system that reflects that aspect of humanity

Fully formed…who all had equal access and equal opportunity and were treated with equal justice

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:52:24am

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Trump — he praised The Fountainhead. My guess, though, is he saw the movie rather than read the book. But maybe I am wrong.

Read a book…that’s precious

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Old Liberal  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:53:40am

re: #179 DangerMan

Fully formed…who all had equal access and equal opportunity and were treated with equal justice

Anyone who supports inheritance and libertarianism is a fucking idiot and cheat

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:53:41am

Michael McFaul and Barry McCaffrey owning FOX News
2019 is just off the hook

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:55:24am

Hey, I got an idea!

Mars is the Red planet right?

Let’s just send all the conservatives over there.

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:56:41am

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, the Moon is a part of MARS??? What the fuckety fuck? That’s enormous stupidity, even for Trump.

A first grader would be smart enough to not make that mistake. JFC.

He believes Martin Landau and Barbara Bain blew the moon out of Earth’s orbit in 1999!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:57:04am

re: #182 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m Canadian so I was educated in and I’m familiar with the metric system.

I’m good with numbers so I can function just fine in the Imperial system, but believe me when I tell you metric is WAY easier to work with and far less confusing.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2019 • 10:59:41am

re: #182 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Michael McFaul and Barry McCaffrey owning FOX News
2019 is just off the hook

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“How many grams in a pound?
454 in the lab, 448 on the street.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:01:25am

re: #163 Belafon

Cheryl Rofer at balloon-juice.com makes an observation about Russia’s defeating the Germans:

The Russian drive to defeat Germany was as much about feeling betrayed by Hitler as it was the losses they suffered on the Eastern Front. The historical irony is that Hitler only violated the Non-Aggression Pact because Britain refused to surrender after the French capitulated, leaving him convinced that they were awaiting help from the Russians and so he pushed up his timetables to force a quicker surrender. Hell, had Stalin been killed or forced to surrender, it’s possible that Churchill would have had little choice but to follow him, as there would be little hope of breaching “Fortress Europe.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:03:18am

re: #148 Belafon

May I ask what Trump said that she told them not to believe?

He said the D-Day commemoration could not begin because he was appearing on her Fox show.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:03:29am
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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:04:57am

re: #181 Old Liberal

Anyone who supports inheritance and libertarianism is a fucking idiot and cheat

And discrimination s ok cause it’ll never be me

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:09:14am

re: #189 jaunte

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It is sad that even simple statements of his have to be translated

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:17:04am

re: #191 DangerMan

It is sad that even simple statements of his have to be translated

Right. How the fuck hard would it be to assign someone to proofread his tweets?

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:18:40am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

Right. How the fuck hard would it be to assign someone who Trump would listen to to proofread his tweets?

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:20:52am

re: #186 sagehen

“How many grams in a pound?
454 in the lab, 448 on the street.”

Someone is always pinching

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:23:53am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:23:59am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:24:02am

Backgrounder on what leads to Trump support:

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:26:02am

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

Nitro-Methane Fueled Goalpost Drag Race!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:27:22am
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:29:52am

British reviews of Trump’s visit are rolling in.

Marina Hyde:

“…It is finally over, then, the state visit during which US President Donald Trump treated Britain like a Moscow hotel mattress. God, we deserved it. The event served most tellingly as a vicious satire on British public life, with every fevered reaction to it recalling Sybil Fawlty’s assessment of her husband Basil’s way with guests: “You never get it right, do you? You’re either crawling all over them, licking their boots, or spitting poison at them like some Benzedrined puff adder.”

And so with the entire political class, who spent three days either fawning over this Nascar royal wedding, or shriekingly defining themselves against it to boost their personal brands. Much better to have treated Trump with the exquisitely polite disinterest of a competent hotelier - perhaps the only language he understands.

Instead, he was welcomed as grist to our dark satanic content mills. Rolling news offered the 24-hour spectacle of Britain being borne back ceaselessly into its past, while our best hope for the future is apparently to beg for a few scraps of chlorinated chicken in exchange for a go on the NHS.”
theguardian.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:30:38am

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

Absolute textbook goalpost moving right there.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 11:45:42am

From last night

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Really not much in the article.
I’m sure more will be released in the next day or so

And, more info
He’s not radicalized, just a psychopath

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:01:04pm

Best guess, 3 and a half Scarmucci’s between tweets?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:09:01pm
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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:09:37pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

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“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. Weird unnecessary capitalization shall lead to immediate removal without benefit of impeachment as the published words are prima facie.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:11:00pm
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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:11:25pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:13:40pm

re: #207 Teukka

One of the basic rules of statistics and science:
Correlation ≠ Causation
You have to have additional proof.

air is a gateway substance to heroin

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Old Liberal  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:15:39pm

re: #207 Teukka

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Have they established that there is actually an increasing rate? A few years ago there was a question as to whether the increase was due to better/more diagnosis, reporting, and expanded definitions. I haven’t followed recently.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:17:05pm

re: #208 DangerMan

air is a gateway substance to heroin

Which part of the air? The O2? The N2? The trace noble gasses? Or CO2? If they believe the latter, that would explain why they don’t care about the increasing CO2… Only problem is that somewhere between 500 and 1,000 ppm is the threshold where CO2 adversely affects human cognitive functions IRL…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:17:42pm

Well, I guess Tommy guns are off my Christmas giving list.
Auto-Ordnance Trump Thompson.


Apparently they have gone full-frontal outlaw since they also offer a Bonnie and Clyde edition.

Too bad, I kind of grok their violin case option.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:18:09pm

Alligator Dissection [Live Stream]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:21:06pm

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s only a matter of time until we end up on that “Worst countries for LGBTQ people” list.

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Old Liberal  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:21:43pm

re: #212 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Like your screen name.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:26:36pm

re: #214 Old Liberal

Like your screen name.

It was an epiphany after being tormented by lottery tickets.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:27:33pm
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fern01  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:33:30pm

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Trump — he praised The Fountainhead. My guess, though, is he saw the movie rather than read the book. But maybe I am wrong.

He has not read the book - and may not have seen the movie. he knows someone who told him Ayn Rand is his type of person.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:40:13pm

re: #210 Teukka

Which part of the air? The O2? The N2? The trace noble gasses? Or CO2? If they believe the latter, that would explain why they don’t care about the increasing CO2… Only problem is that somewhere between 500 and 1,000 ppm is the threshold where CO2 adversely affects human cognitive functions IRL…

im just making a sweeping unsupported correlation statement
i dont have to back it up with anything like ‘proof’

//

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:41:50pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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both of them doctor/scientists with advanced degrees and years of research, right?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:43:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:49:15pm

Tax the Quacks!

For real. Religious right support for the GOP amounts to a tax free political contribution. What we see of this is massive but there is a great deal more that passes beneath public notice, the local sermons and itinerant “guest speakers,” the indoctrination in private schools and home-schooling, the inflammatory political content of church promoted media, etc. I think this is a significant advantage in the political arena, and a wholly unconstitutional one.

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TedStriker  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:49:48pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Pro tip: if a user’s name or bio references “kek” in any way, do not attempt to engage. Back away slowly, and hit the block button as soon as you are at a safe distance.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 7, 2019

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:02:03pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Tax the Quacks!

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For real. Religious right support for the GOP amounts to a tax free political contribution. What we see of this is massive but there is a great deal more that passes beneath public notice, the local sermons and itinerant “guest speakers,” the indoctrination in private schools and home-schooling, the inflammatory political content of church promoted media, etc. I think this is a significant advantage in the political arena, and a wholly unconstitutional one.

it is


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