Jordan Klepper: Open Carrying While White vs. Open Carrying While Black [VIDEO]

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Jordan and Kobi Libii each embed themselves with very different activist groups – one white, one black – who want to make people rethink how they view guns.

Klepper airs Thursdays at 11:30/10:30c on Comedy Central.

About Klepper:
Klepper is a docuseries that follows host Jordan Klepper as he hits the road and leaves the comfort of his desk behind. Whether he’s in a capsized boat with environmental protesters in a Louisiana bayou or waiting to post bail at the Fulton County Jail in Georgia, Jordan is on the front lines of American activism.

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Here’s the full (45m) podcast episode, getting into much more depth on all these groups.

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1
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 12:59:52pm

(CNN)- Sometimes called “Columbiners,” they romanticize and idealize the student killers behind the 1999 mass shooting that claimed 13 lives at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

Now, 20 years after the massacre, the Jeffco Public Schools district is asking its community whether the high school should be torn down and rebuilt in an effort to temper this subculture of online fans who remain infatuated with the killing and the teenage shooters.

“School shooters refer to and study the Columbine shooting as a macabre source of inspiration and motivation,” Jason Glass, district superintendent, says in a letter to the community.

The move comes less than two months since the FBI said a high school student who was “infatuated” with the Columbine shooting traveled from Florida to Colorado and made credible threats.

The threats forced the closure of schools in 19 Colorado districts in April before the woman — 18-year-old Sol Pais — was found dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, authorities said.

Glass’ letter says the school has a gravitational pull for many people.
“Annually, local law enforcement and Jeffco’s Department of School Safety make contacts with hundreds of individuals seeking to enter the school and reconnect with the 1999 murders,” he wrote.

“Most of them are there to satisfy curiosity or a macabre, but harmless, interest in the school. For a small group of others, there is a potential intent to do harm.”

A record number of individuals have tried to enter the school illegally or trespass on the property as the tragedy marks its 20th anniversary, Glass says.

Why bother actually dealing the problems that are causing these people to become dangerous and obsessed with Columbine when we can just knock the building down and start over?

SMH

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:03:13pm

In Texas and many other parts of the USA, mosques would be entirely within their rights to arm members with AK-47s and post them outside during open-carry Islamophobe demonstrations. Imagine the response if they did though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:04:08pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

In Texas and many other parts of the USA, mosques would be entirely within their rights to arm members with AK-47s and post them outside during open-carry Islamophobe demonstrations. Imagine the response if they did though.

And that’s one of many things that infuriate me about this country.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:07:36pm

The dissection continues:

Alligator Dissection [Live Stream]

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Sea Mexican  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:10:00pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

(CNN)- Sometimes called “Columbiners,” they romanticize and idealize the student killers behind the 1999 mass shooting that claimed 13 lives at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

Now, 20 years after the massacre, the Jeffco Public Schools district is asking its community whether the high school should be torn down and rebuilt in an effort to temper this subculture of online fans who remain infatuated with the killing and the teenage shooters.

“School shooters refer to and study the Columbine shooting as a macabre source of inspiration and motivation,” Jason Glass, district superintendent, says in a letter to the community.

The move comes less than two months since the FBI said a high school student who was “infatuated” with the Columbine shooting traveled from Florida to Colorado and made credible threats.

The threats forced the closure of schools in 19 Colorado districts in April before the woman — 18-year-old Sol Pais — was found dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, authorities said.

Glass’ letter says the school has a gravitational pull for many people.
“Annually, local law enforcement and Jeffco’s Department of School Safety make contacts with hundreds of individuals seeking to enter the school and reconnect with the 1999 murders,” he wrote.

“Most of them are there to satisfy curiosity or a macabre, but harmless, interest in the school. For a small group of others, there is a potential intent to do harm.”

A record number of individuals have tried to enter the school illegally or trespass on the property as the tragedy marks its 20th anniversary, Glass says.

Why bother actually dealing the problems that are causing these people to become dangerous and obsessed with Columbine when we can just knock the building down and start over?

SMH

Because it’s easier to just destroy the building than rebuild the mental state of the community.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:12:32pm

If anyone wants to see what I look like, here’s my twitter feed

Link

feel free to follow (or make jokes about my appearance, it’s all good).

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:16:02pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

In Texas and many other parts of the USA, mosques would be entirely within their rights to arm members with AK-47s and post them outside during open-carry Islamophobe demonstrations. Imagine the response if they did though.

De jure? Yes. Dr facto? Gunned down like Philandro Castile. Non whites do not have 2nd amendments rights and the NRA is hard at work keeping it that way.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:16:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:17:50pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I admire you for being able to put up with all the crap you get from those people.

Much respect.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:25:31pm

This is one reason I’m still on Twitter.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:28:43pm

“Whilst pure logic…”
*click*

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:37:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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this is why i do not engage crackpots

From that post and apropos:

I don’t have to have an epistemological argument about the nature of science and reality every time a crackpot comes along who doesn’t like some scientific fact or conclusion. Or wants to put one forth that they can’t conclusively, let alone even remotely, prove - other than by rhetorical twaddle.

Anti vaxers are afraid of something that’s not in vaccines. You don’t sit down and calmly, rationally “discuss” and explain this to someone, or the world, that they’re afraid of something that has never existed in reality. You say clearly and loudly “that’s crackpot fantasy (dangerous) thinking ” and move on.

Since they can’t make their point through counter scientific/math analysis, they attempt to tear down the mechanism that drew the conclusion.

Are they doctors?
Published researchers with advanced degrees?
No.
Let them learn the language, science, math.
Then do the science and math with the language.
Let them prove they deserve, yes earned the right to participate in the discussion.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:39:43pm

From the last thread on correlation vs causation in regards to autism

re: #207 Teukka

One of the basic rules of statistics and science:
Correlation ≠ Causation
You have to have additional proof

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This is pruf

Autism and organic food consumption
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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:41:00pm

re: #13 Colère Tueur de Lapin

From the last thread on correlation vs causation in regards to autism

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that’s why i said breathing air leads to heroin

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:41:07pm

re: #12 DangerMan

this is why i do not engage crackpots

From that post and apropos:

Are they doctors?
Published researchers with advanced degrees?
No.
Let them learn the language, science, math.
Then do the science and math with the language.
Let them prove they deserve, yes earned the right to participate in the discussion.

Exactly, and that’s why I never do engage these poor deluded people - mockery is the only attention they get from me.

There was a time when I did engage with anti-science types and tried to reason with them, and it never ended well. Even if one in 10,000 people (a very optimistic estimate) might be sincerely educated out of this garbage, it’s not worth the effort and annoyance to try.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:44:06pm

re: #13 Colère Tueur de Lapin

From the last thread on correlation vs causation in regards to autism

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[wingnut] This is pruf[/

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:44:42pm

re: #5 Sea Mexican

Because it’s easier to just destroy the building than rebuild the mental state of the community.

Good to see you!

Did you get permission to take April and May off? Did you bring a note from your mother?

/i don’t think so, young man

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:47:41pm

I’ve been a subscriber to the Skeptical Inquirer magazine for nearly 40 years.

I recently cancelled my subscription and I sent them an explanation why I think they have headed down the wrong track. I included a modified copy of the ‘dont engage crackpots’ lgf post linked above.

Behind the tags for the length, though it’s quick enough and does have some information not in the lgf post.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:48:23pm

I didn’t really like Jordan Klepper’s comedy show much, but he’s much better in these more serious discussions. The update above has the full 45-minute discussion about this documentary bit, and it’s really smart and interesting.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:48:36pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Exactly, and that’s why I never do engage these poor deluded people - mockery is the only attention they get from me.

There was a time when I did engage with anti-science types and tried to reason with them, and it never ended well. Even if one in 10,000 people (a very optimistic estimate) might be sincerely educated out of this garbage, it’s not worth the effort and annoyance to try.

see what i just posted w/r/t Skeptical Inquirer magazine

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:50:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:53:02pm

Even worse, these days a lot of the people who spout this bullshit online only want to troll you, and if you try to argue with them they’ll play along as if they’re interested, ask for evidence and examples, etc., then ignore or discount everything you say and laugh at you. Who needs that shit?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:54:50pm

re: #21 jaunte

So in other words Naders lawyer got brutally owned?

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:56:42pm
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 1:58:21pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

So in other words Naders lawyer got brutally owned?

He actually tried the bonespurs gambit:

Judge Ivan reviewed a note from an anesthesiologist - not a cardiac surgeon or related physician - who suggested Nader be released for treatment, but was unconvinced of its credibility.

Prosecutors objected to the characterization by defense attorneys that Nader was desperately ill.

“When the government brought Mr. Nader to a doctor for evaluation on Monday, the doctor said, ‘don’t bring healthy people in here,’” Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Prabhu said Friday.courthousenews.com

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:00:44pm

re: #21 jaunte

Informal Trump WH adviser George Nader …had a sexual relationship with two underage boys in the Czech Republic.

“only the best”

pigs one and all

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:03:34pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:06:54pm

re: #25 jaunte

Wow, points for being committed but still…

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:32:07pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:32:47pm

re: #14 DangerMan

that’s why i said breathing air leads to heroin

Every single person who has died drank water at least once in their life.

Water kills. Spread the word (and find out how to make a buck doing it).

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:35:56pm

re: #30 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Every single person who has died drank water at least once in their life.

Water kills. Spread the word (and find out how to make a buck doing it).

Sleep also kills, and so does being awake.

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TedStriker  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:40:47pm

re: #30 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Every single person who has died drank water at least once in their life.

Water kills. Spread the word (and find out how to make a buck doing it).

re: #31 Belafon

Sleep also kills, and so does being awake.

No one gets out of life alive.

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KGxvi  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:46:36pm

re: #30 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Every single person who has died drank water at least once in their life.

Water kills. Spread the word (and find out how to make a buck doing it).

That reminds me of the old “dihydrogen monoxide” gag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:49:46pm

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:54:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:56:48pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:57:16pm

re: #33 KGxvi

That reminds me of the old “dihydrogen monoxide” gag.

The DHMO hoax has a lengthy and hilarious history, and is still going strong.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 2:57:30pm

This thread. 💔😢😭

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:00:44pm

re: #16 sagehen

Another good one.

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DangerMan  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:01:34pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

Dow Jones has best week of the year!

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ignoring what happened last week?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:02:14pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:04:21pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

[Dow Jones has best week of the year!]

Dow Jones goes over 26,000 for the 4th time since he was elected!

Or is it 5th…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:07:44pm

Saturday night is the Festival of Shavuot, in which Jews celebrate the Giving of the Torah on Mt. Sinai.

The holiday is typically celebrated by eating dairy foods, such as cheese blintzes and cheesecake. In previous years I would always make my own from scratch but this year it’s just me & Z so I bought cheesecake at the bakery and frozen blintzes at the supermarket. DON’T TELL ANYONE! The truth is, the bakery & frozen products taste just the same as I would make myself, without the hard work!

My kids sent these beautiful flowers:

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Mike Lamb  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:14:41pm

So…listening to the new job report, and with every mention of the poor report came the suggesting that it would cause the Fed to lower rates…something Trump has been clamoring about for some time. And then my tin foil hat came on and I wonder whether the DoL would cook the books for the express purpose of getting the Fed to lower rates and help Dear Leader. What keeps me from going down the rabbit hole is that ADP had a similar report.

Anyhoo…am I the only that had this thought?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:31:36pm

re: #18 DangerMan

I’ve been a subscriber to the Skeptical Inquirer magazine for nearly 40 years.

I recently cancelled my subscription and I sent them an explanation why I think they have headed down the wrong track. I included a modified copy of the ‘dont engage crackpots’ lgf post linked above.

Behind the tags for the length, though it’s quick enough and does have some information not in the lgf post.

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Isn’t the purpose of the magazine to provide a source to refute crackpot or conspiratorial ideas? It seems that if the magazine does not at least summarize these ideas and then refute them, there is no reason for this magazine at all. So, perhaps people should just go to snopes to find counterarguments? There are many ordinary citizens with no scientific training; it can be helpful to provide them articles from such a journal to combat ideas that others have suggested to them.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:38:10pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:50:36pm

Hello World.

New and improved DD here, now with 99% more titanium. The staff and facility were fantastic, got through the whole show on 1.5 percocets. Even the hospital food was as good as a fern joint.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:53:12pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Hello World.

New and improved DD here, now with 99% more titanium. The staff and facility were fantastic, got through the whole show on 1.5 percocets. Even the hospital food was as good as a fern joint.

Welcome, young hip person. Insert another comma, if you prefer.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:54:02pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

Welcome, young hip person. Insert another comma, if you prefer.

Hep, not hip, here.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:57:35pm

There’s a whole shitload of people who could use a hep replacement.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:58:33pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Hep, not hip, here.

They put in a titanium hep? You’re the cat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2019 • 3:59:26pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

They put in a titanium hep? You’re the cat.

Too bad there was no Adamantium available…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:00:38pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Too bad there was no Adamantium available…

Wife says adamant enough.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:00:50pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Too bad there was no Adamantium available…

Quit making me google stuff, kid.

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mmmirele  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:02:25pm

re: #27 Teukka

Your Friday science dose:

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Video

Nice introduction to the Siberian Traps, the end-Permian extinction or Great Dying and what kind of disaster awaits the earth if we don’t get global warming under control.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:08:54pm

re: #55 mmmirele

Nice introduction to the Siberian Traps, the end-Permian extinction or Great Dying and what kind of disaster awaits the earth if we don’t get global warming under control.

Also, that 5 °C increase is by no means an exact figure, it has a margin of error, so could be like 4°C or 6°C. And we only know that the 5(±1)°C caused the release of CH4 and further runaway greenhouse effect, not at exact what juncture the clathrate guns trigger is pulled.

It’s like it is with the threshold at which CO2 concentration begins to have a detrimental effect on peoples cognitive abilities. They tested test results at 500 ppm and at 1000 ppm. Which means that somewhere 500 and is 1000 is the actual threshold. We might be as little as 75 ppm from the climate crisis nerfing our noggins…

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jeffreyw  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:09:29pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:12:54pm

re: #55 mmmirele

That link might be rotating vids. it opened to one on vulcanism.

(Miss-typed vulvanism. That would be different.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:13:43pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That link might be rotating vids. it opened to one on vulcanism.

(Miss-typed vulvanism. That would be different.)

rotating vulvanism just might be a wee bit NSFW…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:14:43pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

Back 15 minutes and the mind is in the sewer again.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:15:24pm

OT: Last night I told everyone of the wasps who decided to make a home between my storm door and my front door. Today I vacuumed up the little bit that was on the doorframe and the part I whacked off the doorframe. Everything is cleaned up except for the front door itself. I will wait for the next rainstorm to wash it off.

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TedStriker  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:18:08pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That link might be rotating vids. it opened to one on vulcanism.

(Miss-typed vulvanism. That would be different.)

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

rotating vulvanism just might be a wee bit NSFW…

Gives a new meaning to the term “spinner”, right?

///

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:19:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:19:44pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Back 15 minutes and the mind is in the sewer again.

my work here tonight is done…

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:20:31pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That link might be rotating vids. it opened to one on vulcanism.

(Miss-typed vulvanism. That would be different.)

Yes, it is about vulcanism, which in the case of the Siberian Traps caused a 5°C-ish increase in temperature due to CO2 relase, which in turn pulled the trigger on the clathrate gun, causing at least another 5°C increase in temperature. And we are on a ride to a 5°C increase in global average temperature, which may pull the clathrate guns trigger again.

To quote a danish climatologist: “If even a fraction of the methane in the clathrate deposits are released, we’re fucked”. Yep. Said egghead dropped the F-bomb…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:21:30pm

re: #65 Teukka

Yes, it is about vulcanism, which in the case of the Siberian Traps caused a 5°C-ish increase in temperature, which in turn pulled the trigger on the clathrate gun, causing at least another 5°C increase in temperature. And we are on a ride to a 5°C increase in global average temperature, which may pull the clathrate guns trigger again.

To quote a danish climatologist: “If even a fraction of the methane in the clathrate deposits are released, we’re fucked”. Yep. Said egghead dropped the F-bomb…

Viking science.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:24:41pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Viking science.

Carl Sagan couldn’t save us. The torch-snuffer may have been passed to Bill Nye. He’s starting to make an impressive old-guy.

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Teukka  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:25:48pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Viking science.

Warrior scientists and all that… Point being, it lead to the Permian-Triassic (P-Tr) Exctinction Event, where in round numbers 95% of all life on the planet perished.
For scale, the Cretateous-Paleogene (C-Pg) extinction event only managed a mere 67% extinction pulse…
And the Toba Catastrophe theory disaster (70 ky ago) only managed single digits, and it almost wiped our species out.

Just so y’all have an idea what the climate skepdicks, alt-right et al are playing with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:28:06pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

my work here tonight is done…

MrBWS is now home from Dayton and he said, “I came home in time for this? Great!!!”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:28:25pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

Carl Sagan couldn’t save us. The torch-snuffer may have been passed to Bill Nye. He’s starting to make an impressive old-guy.

That whole bunch around the Planetary Society are starting to focus on this planet.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:36:23pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:40:52pm
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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 4:45:24pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:03:57pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:23:28pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:30:09pm

re: #75 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Mud slide season is over. Back to fire season.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:35:02pm

sure, Jan…

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:37:59pm

OT: has anybody watched “The Inbetween”?? Is it worth my time?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:38:27pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:39:17pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, Jan…

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I heard on the radio that Mexico will put their National Guard on the Guatemalan border. First, they will put together a National Guard.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:39:18pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Signed agreement lol. Okay, art of the fold.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:40:40pm

re: #78 sagehen

OT: has anybody watched “The Inbetween”?? Is it worth my time?

In order:
Yes.
Maybe.

Very derivative, IMO: and Paul Blackthorne doesn’t fit his part - YMMV, obviously.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:41:27pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:44:25pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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But the market was roiled again, so we can find ourselves asking aloud if Donny’s buddies just made bank…again.

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:45:06pm
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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:49:50pm

re: #18 DangerMan

I agree with you.

There is an infinite supply of human idiocy in this world. And there is a limited supply of me.

I want to identify trustworthy sources of information. Then use them to weed out the crackpots and grifters. Then go about my own business.

Beyond that I feel no need to expend any further energy, time, or focus on the crackpots and grifters.

Like you, I do not feel the need to expend effort or energy to educate or save the idiots from themselves.

I do appreciate and wish complete success to those giving and charitable souls that attempt it, though.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:51:05pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 5:59:22pm

re: #85 MsJ

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From the CNN link:

“The government is not currently confident that [REDACTED NAME] has fully complied,”

I’m getting [REDACTED] tired of this…

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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:00:46pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Good point! Does Mexico actually have some military organization called “National Guard”? There used to be one back around 1860, but I thought that went away a longtime ago.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:00:50pm

Maybe he can propose a debate he thinks he will be good at, like Inslee is doing on climate.

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wrenchwench  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:06:36pm

re: #89 ckkatz

Good point! Does Mexico actually have some military organization called “National Guard”? There used to be one back around 1860, but I thought that went away a longtime ago.

They’ve had 1 or 2 revolutions since then.

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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:10:34pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

They’ve had 1 or 2 revolutions since then.

That was my thinking as well.

A google of Mexico National Guard does bring up a bunch of hits on the “New Mexico National Guard”, though. And some lost souls still seem to confuse the two.

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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:11:31pm

re: #90 Belafon

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Maybe he can propose a debate he thinks he will be good at, like Inslee is doing on climate.

Well, I was going to post that since he is essentially polling at 0%, his lack of name recognition may reside elsewhere than the DNC.

But then I decided that this would be cruel, so I won’t.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:17:10pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:19:19pm

re: #89 ckkatz

Good point! Does Mexico actually have some military organization called “National Guard”? There used to be one back around 1860, but I thought that went away a longtime ago.

Mexico has a regular army and an organized militia, the the Rural Defense Corps, but no “national guard” as such.

In his inaugural address last December, President Obrador asked the Mexican Congress to revive the National Guard.

…..this time, as a separate service of the armed forces under the direct control and responsibility of the Secretariats of National Defense and Public Security among similar lines as to the reorganized National Guard in France and the United States National Guard, with a primary purpose to contribute to overall national defense and help protect the public order and safety, the relevant amendments to the Constitution are still under discussion in both chambers of Congress.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:28:08pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:32:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:37:16pm

LOL

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:38:16pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

One fucking page. One fucking page to solve everything! Fuckin’ fuck.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:38:32pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Hello World.

New and improved DD here, now with 99% more titanium. The staff and facility were fantastic, got through the whole show on 1.5 percocets. Even the hospital food was as good as a fern joint.

Congradumalashuns, DD!

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:40:54pm

Question for the gun owners out there: my neighbor and I were recently discussing the topic of shooting ranges. He claims that a lot of them require NRA membership before they’ll let you use their facilities.

It didn’t sound quite right to me, but I’ve never set foot in a shooting range in my life (although my partner and I have discussed doing so for the novelty a few times). Anyone ever hear of this?

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MsJ  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:42:24pm

re: #101 Mattand

Question for the gun owners out there: my neighbor and I were recently discussing the topic of shooting ranges. He claims that a lot of them require NRA membership before they’ll let you use their facilities.

It didn’t sound quite right to me, but I’ve never set foot in a shooting range in my life (although my partner and I have discussed doing so for the novelty a few times). Anyone ever hear of this?

I’ve gone to a shooting range. Never had to be a NRA member (nor would I ever be). This was in Florida.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:46:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:48:14pm

re: #101 Mattand

Question for the gun owners out there: my neighbor and I were recently discussing the topic of shooting ranges. He claims that a lot of them require NRA membership before they’ll let you use their facilities.

It didn’t sound quite right to me, but I’ve never set foot in a shooting range in my life (although my partner and I have discussed doing so for the novelty a few times). Anyone ever hear of this?

Some require “membership in a gun-rights organisation” (read, NRA).

As a result of some gun ranges requiring that, a new organisation formed called The Liberal Gun Club to get around the NRA.

Part of it is political, but not entirely. Gun ranges require liability insurance, and few insurers are willing to offer that to a gun range. Board members and general members of a club could be held personally responsible for liabilities if a gun range does not have insurance.

As such, the NRA has its own insurance programme for gun ranges. Because of that, many ranges will require members of a range be members of the NRA.

Another way around that is to get personal insurance and present that to the range master, but that is also difficult to do.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:48:24pm

re: #101 Mattand

The municipal gun range here does not require an NRA membership. If you’re member of the local gun club, which is $100 per year, that allows access year round to the range. If you’re not a member, you can rent certain parts of the range (trap, pistol, rifle) for $100/day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:52:33pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:55:54pm

She called it this morning.

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2019 • 6:58:12pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

I have a few friends and acquaintances who voted for Donald Trump, and I have to admit I’ll never see them the same way again.

I think I’ve mentioned this before, but my neighbor up the street has been a contractor all of his life. He voted for Trump despite me pointing out that Trump made his alleged fortune fucking over people exactly like my neighbor; stiffing them after they finished working on Trump’s projects.

The other problem was that he was all-in on the “Hillary is evil” bullshit. Couldn’t tell what exactly she did wrong; just that she was somehow worse than Trump. There was a huge dollop of misogyny as well. He was convinced that male leaders wouldn’t respect a woman President, despite that fact she was SoS for years and dealt with these people all the time.

One of my other neighbors voted for Trump because she was angry at Obama for the ACA. I don’t know if she was one of the few who lost her preferred doctor due to plan changes or what, but I still think it’s a fucking stupid reason.

I have no idea how she rationalized voting for a man who was recorded bragging about assaulting women, but that’s just me.

My “I’m an independent voter who always votes GOP” buddy has tried to commiserate with me about what a disaster Trump is. Been listening to Rush Limbaugh since he was 19. He’s one of those geniuses who insists that Trump happened in a vacuum, rather than the reality that this is what the GOP has been working towards since 1980.

So, yeah; if you’re a Trump voter, I really question your ability to think critically and empathize with other human beings.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:00:22pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

The municipal gun range here does not require an NRA membership. If you’re member of the local gun club, which is $100 per year, that allows access year round to the range. If you’re not a member, you can rent certain parts of the range (trap, pistol, rifle) for $100/day.

I imagine the difference between the gun range near you and the one near me is yours is “municipal” (public) and the one near me is “private.”

As such, the range here requires membership in a gun-rights organisation (and they really were surprised there is a Liberal Gun Club when I first went to use it after moving here).

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Mattand  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:02:50pm

Thanks everyone for the 411 on gun ranges, especially Anymouse. My neighbor’s take didn’t sound quite right. He was still running hot after he’d gotten into an argument with the Tea Bagger/MAGAt up the street (the guy used to fly the Gadsden flag a lot.)

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:04:27pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

I imagine the difference between the gun range near you and the one near me is yours is “municipal” (public) and the one near me is “private.”

Absolutely. The grounds are owned by the town, with a sign at the entrance that says Public Welcome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:08:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:11:44pm

not the pizzagate the wingnuts were raging about:

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gocart mozart  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:11:45pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:20:31pm

re: #115 gocart mozart

No-one cares what you think. That’s why we keep bombarding you with tweets.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:27:02pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:42:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:47:05pm

Flooding under way here.

Thunderstorms dropping an inch of rain in a few minutes has created small stream and road flooding west of me.

East of me, the North Platte River is out of its banks in the next two towns over due to snow melt from the Rocky Mountains in Wyoming. Flooding is expected to increase.

My village is safe from the river, being about a mile away and part way up the Sandhills.

Coming home from Massachusetts, the flooding in eastern Nebraska continues, with us having to drive on portions of state highway 92 under water.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:50:38pm

More conservative bulkshit:

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:52:28pm

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

I have been sweating the Illinois River for some weeks. I sit at the very edge of the river bottoms, and the river is at all-time level highs, higher than 1993, and it is just staying that high. We have the National Guard, and FEMA and IEMA and all sorts of folks running around sandbagging and shooting levels. I _think_ my house is above the water level. I _think_ my garage may get wet. Have done a lot of shifting of boxes and papers and books. Decided I couldn’t afford flood insurance, as it is expensive and comes with a very high deductible. As I just had to replace my computer (it is in the shop having its brain shifted to the new model) and I have to put a new roof on as soon as it stops raining.

I keep saying: I’m too old for this!

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mmmirele  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:53:37pm

re: #101 Mattand

Question for the gun owners out there: my neighbor and I were recently discussing the topic of shooting ranges. He claims that a lot of them require NRA membership before they’ll let you use their facilities.

It didn’t sound quite right to me, but I’ve never set foot in a shooting range in my life (although my partner and I have discussed doing so for the novelty a few times). Anyone ever hear of this?

My brother and I went to a range in Phoenix for sibling bonding time. I paid for it. I would have stomped out of there in a huff if they required NRA membership. Obviously, they did not.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:56:30pm
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ckkatz  Jun 7, 2019 • 7:58:07pm

re: #101 Mattand

Question for the gun owners out there: my neighbor and I were recently discussing the topic of shooting ranges. He claims that a lot of them require NRA membership before they’ll let you use their facilities.

It didn’t sound quite right to me, but I’ve never set foot in a shooting range in my life (although my partner and I have discussed doing so for the novelty a few times). Anyone ever hear of this?

Until about 15 years ago, I used to do a bit of target shooting and a small amount of hunting. Things may have changed now. But back then, no one at any range ever asked me for proof of NRA membership.

What I have seen is that many places will subsidize an NRA membership.

As AnyMouse pointed out, many ranges are business operations and admittance is a business decision. A few are public. and a few are private membership clubs. And, beyond the NRA, there are other, even more reactionary gun organizations.

I suspect that with interest in guns dropping, and support for the NRA declining, gun businesses are eager to expand their businesses, not limit them further.

There is an organization called the Civilian Marksmanship Program ( thecmp.org ) that serves a conduit for WW2 military firearms to US citizens. It requires membership in a gun organization. But it accepts hundreds of different organizations. Its the only place I know in this century that you used to be able to mail order a firearm.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:03:55pm

re: #121 retired cynic

I have been sweating the Illinois River for some weeks. I sit at the very edge of the river bottoms, and the river is at all-time level highs, higher than 1993, and it is just staying that high. We have the National Guard, and FEMA and IEMA and all sorts of folks running around sandbagging and shooting levels. I _think_ my house is above the water level. I _think_ my garage may get wet. Have done a lot of shifting of boxes and papers and books. Decided I couldn’t afford flood insurance, as it is expensive and comes with a very high deductible. As I just had to replace my computer (it is in the shop having its brain shifted to the new model) and I have to put a new roof on as soon as it stops raining.

I keep saying: I’m too old for this!

I’m sorry to hear about your own flooding troubles. We did not go over the Illinois River returning home; we went over the Des Plaines River.

That said, the flooding information on the Illinois River doesn’t look very good.

riverweather.com

Here, most of our river is still in the bank, but at Llewellyn (about fifty miles ESE) it is out of the bank. Next station upstream (Lisco, about sixteen miles ESE) is right at “action stage.” We don’t have a flood gauge here because our town doesn’t flood from the river.

water.weather.gov

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:04:04pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

More conservative bulkshit:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:04:50pm
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:04:50pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

For an all-powerful omnipresence, their conception of God is awfully susceptible to getting “thrown out” of places.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:11:09pm

re: #128 jaunte

For an all-powerful omnipresence, their conception of God is awfully susceptible to getting “thrown out” of places.

You’d think if any god was all-powerful, it could not be thrown out of anything.

As far as the oath for committees (which Mark Levin is talking about), it’s the same as every other oath in government service: “So help me God” is an optional formulation. One may also affirm rather than swear (as I did every time I took the enlistment oath since 1978, and twice for public office here).

Levin is citing Daily Wire, so I imagine it is just the same lying that Republicans have said about Democrats all my life. (Fun fact: The overwhelming majority of Democrats are Christian. We just don’t bash you for not being one, as that’s your business, not the party’s. Levin’s party practically requires being a Christian, as reflected in the recent move by a Texas county GOP to remove an officer because he is a Muslim.)

It’s good to scare Christians into thinking Democrats are out to get them though and paint themselves as victims (sometimes even seen amongst liberals arguing groups like FFRF are “militant” atheists even though that group is primarily Christians).

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:12:20pm

...

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:13:23pm

Sorry, slow connection, I meant to paste this one:

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makeitstop  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:13:29pm

This Toronto - Golden State game is a total dogfight. The Raptors are a much tougher team than anyone the Warriors have faced in the playoffs, and they’re not scared of Golden State.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:23:25pm
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:29:50pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:31:30pm

re: #118 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

JFC, my eyes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:31:38pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

Checking Mark Levin’s claim with Snopes, what actually happened is a draft oath for the Natural Resources Committee was circulated at the start of the present Congress. (Every two years the new House reads, amends, or changes rules for committees.) FOX got their hands on the draft and started howling “Democrats are trying to run God out of government” (where by the Constitution he doesn’t belong).

That draft was amended to include the optional “so help me God” as has always appeared, and that was the version adopted.

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retired cynic  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:38:10pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

This will be touted as a Great Victoree !!

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gocart mozart  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:42:08pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:43:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:44:50pm

Two heavy thunderstorms about to move through town (one ten minutes away, one thirty minutes away), as the house shakes from thunder. Stand by for loss of Internet service.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:52:13pm

re: #139 Chrysicat

The “no true Christian” gambit. Frequently employed to avoid embarrassment from other Christians.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:52:56pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:56:28pm

Biggest concert in Mile High Stadium history is tomorrow. And who’s the performer? Garth Brooks.

Maybe The Rolling Stones will make it right in August when they play there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:57:06pm
A Minneapolis police officer convicted of murder was sentenced Friday to 12 and a half years in prison for the shooting of an unarmed woman who had called 911, and he apologized in court for “taking the life of a perfect person.”

Mohamed Noor was convicted in April of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the July 2017 death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond, a 40-year-old dual citizen of the U.S. and Australia. Noor shot Damond when she approached his squad car in the alley behind her home.

Noor’s lawyers had argued for a light sentence, saying sending him to prison would only compound the tragedy, and that incarceration won’t let him do service to make amends for killing Damond.

(more)

theepochtimes.com

“Sending him to prison would only compound the tragedy?” Wow, that was a Hail Mary from the defence attorneys.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 8:57:59pm

re: #143 teleskiguy

The previous record holder was U2, back in 2011.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:01:39pm
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:05:43pm

re: #143 teleskiguy

I can’t name a Garth Brooks song without Googling.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:06:19pm

re: #147 jaunte

I can’t name a Garth Brooks song without Googling.

You clearly have no Friends in Low Places.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:08:21pm

re: #147 jaunte

“The Thunder Rolls” was popular when I was a kid. And “Friends In Low Places” is a redneck anthem around these parts.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:09:00pm

re: #148 i(m)p(each)sos

Upding because it’s a Reference, although I don’t know to what.

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Chrysicat  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:13:56pm

re: #147 jaunte

I can’t name a Garth Brooks song without Googling.

No Fences.

Ropin’ the Wind.

Friends in Low Places.

And I can remember that “Chris Gaines” rock song but not for the life of me place its name.

Also, this is every bit like U2 setting the record in 2011, because they’re each about as far from their heyday. Though Garth also increased the demand by being out of the game for a decade-plus.

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:15:26pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

(more)

theepochtimes.com

“Sending him to prison would only compound the tragedy?” Wow, that was a Hail Mary from the defence attorneys.

Why not try it? Had the cop been white he’d have either gotten off (I was skeered!) or gotten a much lighter sentence. But a dark skinned cop killing a white woman? I’m only surprised they didn’t give him life.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2019 • 9:20:44pm

Well I’ll be damned. Garth Brooks is the best albums-selling solo artist in the United States, ahead of Elvis Presley. He’s sold more albums than The Beatles in the United States. He also has seven diamond records in the United States (10+ million units sold), the most of any artist, period, ahead of The Beatles, who have six.

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Ming5000  Jun 8, 2019 • 3:44:12am

re: #111 Mattand

Thanks everyone for the 411 on gun ranges, especially Anymouse. My neighbor’s take didn’t sound quite right. He was still running hot after he’d gotten into an argument with the Tea Bagger/MAGAt up the street (the guy used to fly the Gadsden flag a lot.)

Thank you for continuing to use the term “Tea Bagger”. I still use it and feel dated.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 8, 2019 • 5:03:58am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

More conservative bulkshit:

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Presumably said phrase only added in the 1950s when the conservatives were godifying everything in sight as a way to “get” the atheistic commies.


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