The Chemical Brothers - Eve of Destruction

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Lyrics:

The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction

The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction (Human minds are simplified)
The eve of destruction (Sacrifice is justified)
The eve of destruction (Human minds are simplified)
The eve of destruction (Sacrifice is justified)
The eve of destruction (Human minds are simplified)
The eve of destruction (Sacrifice is justified)
The eve of destruction (Human minds are simplified)
The eve of destruction (Sacrifice is justified)
The eve of destruction

(Human minds are simplified)
We can’t afford the water
(Sacrifice is justified)
Everyone is left to die
(Human minds are simplified)
Keep running, keep running
(Sacrifice is justified)
Keep running, keep running

Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
To spend the weekend

Drunk a sample suicide
Justify a human, I
Enjoy my, enjoy my
Eve of destruction

Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
To spend the weekend

ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも

幸福のどん底さ 今
イヴはアダムとする ディナー
白い衣装 黒い未来
Fuck Yo Mind
意味ないはことない
何も知らず踊りたい
気づく胸騒ぎ 出るエナジー
止める人はいない
Keep Dancing

ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも
ぶっ壊したい 何もかも

Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
Maybe I’ll find a friend
To spend the weekend

The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction
The eve of destruction

Music video by The Chemical Brothers performing Eve Of Destruction. © 2019 The Chemical Brothers, under exclusive license to Universal Music Operations Limited

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2019 • 7:56:09pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 11, 2019 • 7:56:17pm

One of these days I will figure out that it’s stupid to post in a thread at 22:40 unless it’s a new one, because one is inevitably coming by 23:00:

I don’t know why the Marxists come out to attack identity-class consciousness so much these days, but it’s gonna mean that I’m just as illegal under a commie regime as a fascist one. So I will punch back and try to get them to stop looking for WWC support.

Still kinda glad I was able to find the tweet that sent me down the rabbit-hole here:

re: #120 Chrysicat

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And just for the record, I know the religion doesn’t make ‘em that way, they may come out of the womb with it and the religion only feeds it. But I also know how the Marxist sees it and am rebutting his unseen argument. Now if I can only start remembering to say everything I want in the original post, since usually by the time I think of what I want to add, the original’s been in people’s Spy long enough that they wouldn’t know there are revisions, so I end up double-posting instead so things can be heard. [the final paragraph, in the original thread, was a double-post].

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2019 • 7:57:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 7:59:00pm

May I engage in two rants? One involves a discussion at another liberal-leaning political blog, and one involves my wife’s quit smoking coach who works for the state government.

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:01:37pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

I can only speak for myself, but rant away.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:05:08pm

re: #5 calochortus

I can only speak for myself, but rant away.

Which rant? 1 or 2?

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:06:03pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

Either. Both. Whatever. ;)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:07:57pm

I’m watching an old episode of Press Your Luck and fantasizing about Trump being a contestant getting the 4th Whammy that puts him out of the game…

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:09:33pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m watching the thermometer and waiting for it to get below 80°. It’s currently 88° which is better than the 99° it was at 5 pm, but doesn’t bode well for getting the house cooled down tonight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:10:59pm

Oh this is a new song. I thought it was a cover of this stinker from 50 years ago:

Barry McGuire - Eve of Destruction

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:13:18pm

JFC

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:21:41pm

Okay, 2, because 1 would probably offend a bunch of people here.

My wife signed up a few months ago for Nebraska’s quit smoking aid programme. As part of this programme, the state sends a bunch of written materials to support that decision, lozenges to help you past the rough spots if you need them, and offers a quit coach (I guess that’s something like an AA sponsor) to keep in contact with you.

My wife decided on a gradual quit programme, by making smoking harder for herself. That primarily involved switching from cigarettes to a pipe.

The quit coach called for her this morning. It was not the usual quit coach.

After they exchanged pleasantries on this fourth call (and she’d passed her original quit date and was disenrolled from the programme due to unanswered calls from our trip to Massachusetts and Chicago), she asked if there was another smoker in the house (yes, Anymouse).

Coach: You need to make him quit.
Wife: He’s an adult, I can’t make him do anything.
C: Well, you know, it takes as long as three years to get all the assorted chemicals from smoking out of your house. You probably need to move if you’re really serious about quitting.
W: What? We can’t afford to move.
C: There’s always Section 8 housing, you can apply for that.
W: Do you know which political party is in charge of this state? Do you know how hard it is to get into Section 8 housing?
C: Well, you’re going to have to leave your husband, because he clearly doesn’t care about you or your children’s health.
W: Hell, no I’m not leaving my husband and I don’t have any children. WTF? [slams down telephone]

My wife told me about this when we went to town today (I was asleep when this happened). I suggested that if it would help I would not be put out by going outside to smoke.

She was so upset about that call from the state quit coach she loaded up a pipe and a glass of whiskey.

Good job, Nebraska.

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:23:46pm

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

Oh this is a new song. I thought it was a cover of this stinker from 50 years ago:

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Heh. That’s what I thought too.

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:24:15pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

They’ve only hired the best, most qualified people, right?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:29:57pm

re: #14 calochortus

They’ve only hired the best, most qualified people, right?

My assumption is the state uses volunteers as quit coaches for people who use the state programme.

My wife received nothing but encouragement and such from the last coach, and was cutting down the pipe. During the trip over Memorial Day, she rarely used it at all.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:30:50pm
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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:30:59pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

My assumption is the state uses volunteers as quit coaches for people who use the state programme.

My wife received nothing but encouragement and such from the last coach, and was cutting down the pipe. During the trip over Memorial Day, she rarely used it at all.

I wish her the best of luck in quitting.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:32:15pm

re: #9 calochortus

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:35:17pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

Poor thing!

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:38:39pm

My brother is about to drop by with a bottle of wine, so we can drink and trash the GOP.
Have a pleasant rest-of-the-evening, all.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:39:22pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

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105/16% on the back side of the hills from Emeryville.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:39:35pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

My assumption is the state uses volunteers as quit coaches for people who use the state programme.

My wife received nothing but encouragement and such from the last coach, and was cutting down the pipe. During the trip over Memorial Day, she rarely used it at all.

Sounds like they may be so delighted to get anyone to volunteer that they don’t care about their qualifications for the position. What a dreadful experience! Good luck to your wife.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:41:01pm

re: #17 calochortus

re: #22 Hecuba’s daughter

She says thanks.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:42:25pm
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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:45:45pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Surprise, surprise, surprise….

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:47:52pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

In other words, we were screwed. But Trump and his buddies got their tax cut so it’s all good.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:49:26pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

Conservatism in a nutshell: GIMME THAT, IT’S MINE!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:51:57pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Robert Maguire

In the first year after Trump’s tax bill went into effect, individual American taxpayers paid $93 billion more in taxes, after refunds.

Big businesses, on the other hand, paid about $91 billion less.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t compare payments under the new law vs the old law. That is the only issue of real interest. I paid significantly more in 2018 taxes than in 2017 — but much of that was due to factors not relevant to the change in tax code.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:57:33pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2019 • 8:59:38pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Great suggestions. It’s been a hot summer here in Southern Maryland.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:04:11pm

re: #30 Patricia Kayden

Great suggestions. It’s been a hot summer here in Southern Maryland.

Sort of the same with humans. If you want to cool someone down in a hurry, bags of ice in the groin and arm pits. Cools arterial blood flow

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:07:02pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Wowie Zowie, I got a tax cut but it didn’t even hit the $100 mark…so I got to pay my Costco membership with that tax cut…and get a couple Arby’s combos…mmmmm…love that mystery meat…

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:07:28pm

I recommend fans. Air pulling away body heat. Works for people and for animals. I saved a foal from heat stroke once by turning the hose on him and wetting him down, and putting him in front of a fan. His temp was c 108, and that’s as close to death as you want to go…

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:24:45pm
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mmmirele  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:27:51pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

My assumption is the state uses volunteers as quit coaches for people who use the state programme.

My wife received nothing but encouragement and such from the last coach, and was cutting down the pipe. During the trip over Memorial Day, she rarely used it at all.

My mother finally quit a couple of months ago after 50+ years of smoking. It was a combination of the following: She started out on Chantix, and was cutting down the number of cigarettes she was smoking. I was very encouraged. Then she stopped taking the Chantix because it was aggravating an aspect of her schizophrenia (she was experiencing more hallucinations). I was disappointed and thought she would go back to smoking.

I was wrong.

She got my brother to put her on the nicotine patch. (She can’t hardly see to put them on, so she put him in charge since he sets out her other medications.) She slowly cut down on her cigarettes until she completely quit. Then my brother started going down on the nicotine dose in her patches. Finally, while I was in Japan, she went 5 days without changing her patch. She remembered and went to my brother who told her, “you’ve had this patch for five days.” “But I need another.” So he put a new one on her, but a few hours later she peeled it off and hasn’t asked for one again.

I honestly never thought I’d see the day when my mother would stop smoking. I used to bug her about it until I read that schizophrenics often smoke as part of self-medication. I decided that mom being mentally stable was more important than bugging her about cigarettes. But she took herself off the cigarettes in the end.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:32:53pm

re: #35 mmmirele

Whereas I doubt I could have quit without nicotine gum. To each her own.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:38:24pm

re: #36 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Whereas I doubt I could have quit without nicotine gum. To each her own.

Nicotine lozenges after 40 years of smoking, then a few small patches to get off the last of the lozenges.

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:45:07pm

re: #35 mmmirele

But she took herself off the cigarettes in the end.

Chantix worked for me. I did it at the same time as I went to Green Bay Wi for Schneider National’s truck driver training. By the end of the 2 weeks school, I had no interest in smoking any more. I even tried one from one of the guys there near the end of the school and got nada from the nicotine. It was like just, literally, only hot air from the drug. Wild dreams but nothing more so it didn’t bother me. Others had worse side effects. But I was the first one my doc had on it and it worked well I felt.

Biggest problem? Major weight gain after I stopped smoking (seriously - 100 lbs over the 13 years to now) but the doc said, simply, the obesity is less dangerous than smoking. I didn’t worry about it since.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:48:03pm

re: #38 William Lewis

I’ve lost 25 lbs but that’s more of a result of my wife dieting, and me being un-fed.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:50:41pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:51:43pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:54:36pm
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TedStriker  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:58:31pm

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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no no NO, HELL NO!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 9:59:03pm

Oh boy.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:04:29pm
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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:09:09pm

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

The fact that he couldn’t unlock his own account makes me question whether that’s actually God’s account

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:12:17pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Re: Morrissey:

Joseph Dee Morrissey[3] (born September 23, 1957) is a Democratic American politician [1], sex offender, and disbarred lawyer from Henrico County, Virginia. A convicted criminal, he served three months in jail, before being released on parole, for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, whom he later married. Morrissey is currently the Democratic nominee for State Senate in Virginia’s 16th District.

That’s a hell of an opening paragraph for anyone’s wikipedia page.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:17:39pm

re: #47 KGxvi

Re: Morrissey:

That’s a hell of an opening paragraph for anyone’s wikipedia page.

And there go the Democratic chances for regaining the Virginia state legislature…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:20:50pm

re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹

And there go the Democratic chances for regaining the Virginia state legislature…

Every election is important, even primaries. Who the hell voted for him? They need a very large cluebat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:28:29pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Every election is important, even primaries. Who the hell voted for him? They need a very large cluebat.

Compare him to DesJarlais who gets away with forcing his mistresses to have abortions because he’s a Republican…

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:36:45pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Every election is important, even primaries. Who the hell voted for him? They need a very large cluebat.

I suspect a degree of Republican infiltration in that district’s primary. You don’t have to be a registered member of a party to vote in its primary in Virginia.

EDITED to add: Or maybe not. So far, it doesn’t look like the Republicans are putting up a candidate in that race for November. I’m confused.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:38:44pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Every election is important, even primaries. Who the hell voted for him? They need a very large cluebat.

This reflects what happens in off-year primaries, especially if everyone is confident that the other candidate would win. I like AOC — but the only reason she won the 2018 primary is that the voter turnout in the district was low, partly because everyone was confident that Joe Crowley would win. And Morrissey will likely get elected since I believe there is no Republican opponent.

—Ed for clarification

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plansbandc  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:42:55pm

I feel this may be one of my finest tweets.

Thank you for your consideration.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:46:30pm

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:47:32pm

re: #53 plansbandc

I feel this may be one of my finest tweets.

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Thank you for your consideration.

Oh that’s a good one ;)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 10:54:07pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

Rant number one (the one that will probably offend a bunch of people), about a discussion on another site. Behind the hide bar so you don’t have to see if you wish to pass on that. A lesson in stereotyping: It’s okay unless you gore my ox.

In a discussion on another blog, people were discussing the voting patterns of various groups/types of people in the 2016 election. For the record, I voted for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, myself for village board, a Libertarian for state auditor, and left the whole rest of the ballot blank because there was no one to vote for but unchallenged Republicans.

It was noted that white men went in a big way for Donald Trump. “I’m sorry you’re part of that demographic, but you’ll have to accept that your demographic is shitty” (and by extension, I am somehow both part of that and partly responsible for that).

It came in fast. “Baby boomers went in a big way for Trump.” (I am a tail-end baby boomer so I am responsible for all baby boomers.) “Non-college educated went in a big way for Trump. Rural people went in a big way for Trump.” &c &c. I became the liberal punching bag for every demographic who voted for Trump, even though they know I did not.

So I hunted up the Pew Research statistics for exit polling by religious faith (as Evangelicals are frequently hammered over hypocrisy for voting for Trump).

As it turns out, every Christian religious faith voted more for Republicans in 2016 than they did in 2012, with the exception of Mormons (Democrats posted a modest gain of a few percent with them).

On the other hand, there was a massive swing of Jews, other faiths, and atheists and nones to Democrats (atheists and nones moved by over 20%). I suggested if I could be painted with the “sins” of all those other demographics (white, male, boomer, uneducated), then the Christians at that site (Mormons excepted) could be painted with the same.

Oh man did I get pilloried for that. “You bigot, how dare you attack my religious faith, &c.” (I wasn’t attacking religious faith, just voting patterns, the same as they with other groups.)

It turns out when your own group’s ox is gored with Trump, you get really testy.

Thus endeth a lesson in stereotyping. Don’t dare do it to the religious.

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plansbandc  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:04:01pm
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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:09:29pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Pity about what you say about us Christian but it fits the reality I’ve seen and what I have fought against. I know you feel that the efforts of us in the trenches really aren’t enough; perhaps it’s not.

What I know is Micah 6:8 & Mathew 25:31-end and that this, along with the golden rule, is how I try to live. You can take it or leave it as you choose.

I know what I believe about what that man (and I am more a believer in the man than in the divine) taught and that is what I try to live by; not by what other people say he taught.

Shrug. Works for me; doesn’t for you. No big. I won’t respond beyond this post.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:15:13pm

Why does this vid come to mind?

The Humans Are Dead - Full version

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:15:55pm

re: #58 William Lewis

Pity about what you say about us Christian but it fits the reality I’ve seen and what I have fought against. I know you feel that the efforts of us in the trenches really aren’t enough; perhaps it’s not.

What I know is Micah 6:8 & Mathew 25:31-end and that this, along with the golden rule, is how I try to live. You can take it or leave it as you choose.

I know what I believe about what that man (and I am more a believer in the man than in the divine) taught and that is what I try to live by; not by what other people say he taught.

Shrug. Works for me; doesn’t for you. No big. I won’t respond beyond this post.

Your post is fair.

Variations of the Golden Rule exist in every society (turns out people like to be treated well so they treat others the same).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:25:35pm

Religion is often simply about cultural identity. I identify as Christian in the sense that I observe Christian holidays (out of a sense of tradition) and my basic moral views (do unto others, try to be a better person, etc.) came to me via a Christian upbringing.

Religion can also be about personal faith. This often then leads to group affiliation, which can center on one’s denomination, which gets us into the direction of actual organizations with their own politics and hierarchies.

Which makes it really hard to discuss religion beyond perhaps talking about one’s personal faith.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:34:47pm

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Religion is often simply about cultural identity. I identify as Christian in the sense that I observe Christian holidays (out of a sense of tradition) and my basic moral views (do unto others, try to be a better person, etc.) came to me via a Christian upbringing.

Religion can also be about personal faith. This often then leads to group affiliation, which can center on one’s denomination, which gets us into the direction of actual organizations with their own politics and hierarchies.

Which makes it really hard to discuss religion beyond perhaps talking about one’s personal faith.

During that “lets sling on Anymouse” fest at the other site, one of the things noted was “you’re making an unfair characterisation; tens of millions of Christians voted for Hillary Clinton.” Yup, entirely true.

They almost connected the dots. Millions of white guys, boomers, uneducated, rural &c also voted for her. Those of us in those groups didn’t fit the narrative they wanted to paint.

If Morning Consults’s polling holds, this state will be within the margin of error for the 2020 election. That makes us a swing state. Five electoral votes aren’t a lot compared to Ohio or North Carolina, but such attitudes certainly won’t help win ‘em.

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:37:03pm

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Religion can also be about personal faith. This often then leads to group affiliation, which can center on one’s denomination,

I’ll admit to tending to look at denominations that way since the way one approaches Christianity is terribly dependent upon how one sees one’s denominational affiliation. Someone who looks at the world from a Southern Baptist affiliation really does see the world differently from someone who sees the world as a Roman Catholic (liberal or conservative). By the same token a really insanely liberal Episcopalian (me) is going to have a very different view of the world than any of them as well. Faith is, ultimately, a very personal decision. I can know what works for me but no matter how much or what I have tried to teach, I’ll still never really know what my son believes.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:38:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:40:40pm

re: #64 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

‘Without an efficient mechanism bypassing the US sanctions, it will be very difficult for the Europeans to provide adequate economic incentives to Iran without picking a bigger economic fight with Washington.’

They have to choose carefully which side to be on, and they are lining up with the US not out of conviction but necessity.

Which means that they are most likely quietly working on ways to get around us in the future.

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:43:01pm

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have to choose carefully which side to be on, and they are lining up with the US not out of conviction but necessity.

Which means that they are most likely quietly working on ways to get around us in the future.

“The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more no less.” This works against us just as well as it works for us.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 11, 2019 • 11:45:55pm

re: #66 William Lewis

Always an upding for a mention of the Seventy Habits of Maximally Effective Mercenaries.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:09:13am

I don’t see that as helping the trade war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:10:29am

re: #68 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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I don’t see that as helping the trade war.

are they making phones for America in America?

I don’t see that as helping US workers in the long run either

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:13:30am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

are they making phones for America in America?

I don’t see that as helping US workers in the long run either

I don’t think that’s ever been part of Apple’s plan.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:14:41am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:20:40am

Snork, this article title from Wonkette:

Wendy Davis Thinkering Up A Run Against New Ted Cruz-Flavored Asshole Congressboy, Chip Roy

Just to be on the safe side, though, Roy and his rightwing allies are treating even the possibility of a run by Davis as if she were threatening to put abortion juice in the water supply. Roy tweeted Friday that Outside Agitators — the “turn-Texas-blue crowd” — were clearly behind all this talk of Davis running, and OMG LOOK, ILLEGALS!!!!!!

(more)

This tweet has been up five days and only got twelve retweets and seventeen likes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:26:30am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:42:16am

Candace Owens is an idiot. I suppose that’s why she is on FOX: She supports their narrative of race-baiting. (video, 0:58)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:46:16am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Candace Owens says the black community did better for the first 100 years after slavery and it’s been downhill since then

Things really got bad after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act…

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:46:44am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

That woman doesn’t know shit from Shinola.

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Teukka  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:00:14am

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

Oh this is a new song. I thought it was a cover of this stinker from 50 years ago:

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Video

For a moment, I thought it was this:

Eve Of The War - Galaxy Sound Orchestra

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:02:06am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:06:19am

smithsonianmag.com

An article on the foundation of modern Movement Conservatism’s pillars of racism, anti-social programme spending, religious bigotry, anti-immigrant policy, and conspiratorial thinking: A brief history of the American Party (the Know-Nothing Party). They at one time held thousands of offices across the land, and shaped conservative thought through the present day during the 1850s.

It is a fascinating read. The types of rhetoric you hear today from conservatives like Steve King is the same rhetoric from the XIX Century.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:06:56am

re: #76 Dread Pirate

That woman doesn’t know shit from Shinola.

She is paid to be stupid.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:08:46am

OK then, pistols at 20 paces it is. You shoot first.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:09:37am

re: #53 plansbandc

That should be the end of his career. Hopefully. Have never watched any of his shows so good riddance.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:09:52am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹

She is paid to be stupid.

I’m going for Occam’s razor on that one. “She is stupid.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:14:41am

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

That should be the end of his career. Hopefully. Have never watched any of his shows so good riddance.

I recall Tim Allen from “Galaxy Quest” and “Flash Academy”, in both of which he plays a washed-up ex-star/hero coasting on his success and trying to recover his groove.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:15:56am

The comments make this interesting:

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:16:37am

I don’t know how people from the mid-west and south deal with night heat. I can’t sleep until it’s around 74 degrees. It’s still 78 out and 82 in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:27:55am

re: #86 Dread Pirate

I don’t know how people from the mid-west and south deal with night heat. I can’t sleep until it’s around 74 degrees. It’s still 78 out and 82 in.

It’s 42°F here.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:30:01am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:53:04am

re: #88 Dread Pirate

Whenever an autocrat describes news as fake, worry.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2019 • 2:46:57am

I wonder a lot about why some people choose to be evil shits when being kind, considerate and acting with forethought and care ends up being a LOT easier on you over the long haul. What is it about harming others that makes some SO “happy”? It’s honestly heartbreaking, the amount of human potential thrown on a smoldering heap, lost forever, because of what? Hate? Evil? Stupidity? All of the above?

Think of how popular and loved a person(or group of people) in power could be if they honestly gave a fuck. Like for real, gave an actual fuck, and gathered people who also gave a fuck(or even seven), to actually DO something that made things better. It happens, but not on a large enough scale to make a dent in human misery. And why the fuck not?

I’m usually able to see a way forward or at least through bullshit and tragedy, but right now? Not so much. It shouldn’t be so hard to just meet basic needs and be ok. It’s impossible to feel secure without being rich (or blessed enough to have had financial stability for the majority of your adulthood) because no one wants to invest in people anymore. There’s little to protect workers from getting screwed over and lawmakers could give a shit mostly. I’m facing losing my home of 22 yrs because my husband got sick, nearly died and can’t go back to his old job doing physical labor. Unless he changes fields in his mid 50s, which isn’t easy. Upward mobility is next to impossible unless you already have money. Shit isn’t the same as it was when I left high school 40 yrs ago. This is something older baby boomers don’t get. Maybe that’s part of where this lack of empathy comes from, not getting that just getting a full time job isn’t going to afford you even a roof over your head these days. I’m discouraged. Obviously.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2019 • 3:04:23am

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

My assumption is the state uses volunteers as quit coaches for people who use the state programme.

My wife received nothing but encouragement and such from the last coach, and was cutting down the pipe. During the trip over Memorial Day, she rarely used it at all.

There is is no one more zealous than a convert. Applies to religion, alcohol cessation, and ex-smokers.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 3:10:33am

chrome.google.com

Changes ‘political correctness’ to ‘treating people with respect’

“I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.”

— Neil Gaiman

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Teukka  Jun 12, 2019 • 3:20:53am

re: #92 Sufficient unto the day…

chrome.google.com

Changes ‘political correctness’ to ‘treating people with respect’

“I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.”

— Neil Gaiman

What the alt-reichists call “PC” or “Politically Correct” is what I was raised and believe to be “not being a dick.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 12, 2019 • 4:31:30am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

The quit coach is right.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 4:43:53am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

Divorce someone because they smoke? Umm…its not like he’s planning on voting Trump in 2020.

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jeffreyw  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:14:50am

Good morning!

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:16:23am

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:25:49am
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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:26:07am

re: #17 calochortus

I wish her the best of luck in quitting.

let her keep smoking the pipe. no one sane inhales pipe smoke. so she’ll still get the nicotine, maybe throat cancer, but her lungs will improve. seriously, I was a pipe smoker as a young man. 30 years ago, you could still find estate pipes of really excellent brands (Olson hand-carved briars, high-end Dunhills) for a song. Last time I checked, it looks like legalization of marijuana has apparently had the unintended side-effect of creating a much larger market for high-end tobacco pipes that someone else smoked first.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:30:41am

Someone having a doggone good time!

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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:30:46am

re: #33 retired cynic

I recommend fans. Air pulling away body heat. Works for people and for animals. I saved a foal from heat stroke once by turning the hose on him and wetting him down, and putting him in front of a fan. His temp was c 108, and that’s as close to death as you want to go…

yep. I can happily sit in my apartment with a door and window open, with a fan on me, while it’s 88 degrees in here. I’ll have to break down in the late afternoon and run AC for awhile because I have a southern exposure and the sun will nearly bake paint off my door. plus, I start to become a heat sink for the downstairs apartment and it gets a bit oppressive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 5:44:43am

I am back to being a casual smoker.

Really.

Don’t keep it at home, just bum the occasional ciggie when I am out.

Used to be like that, had a GF who smokes, and I would join her 2-3 times a week, mostly just to be sociable and sit out on the balcony with her.

Then we aplit up and I started smoking regularly on my own. Realized it was a bit of a psychological crutch. So I quit entirely for months, am now back to the odd bummed smoke.

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lizardofid  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:02:24am

Good morning all!

I’m finally getting around to watching about 6 weeks worth of accumulated Austin City Limits episodes on my DVR.

Brandi Carlile rocks.

That is all. ; )

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:03:57am

He had to redo the tread

But the moron forgot to delete the back end

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:05:34am

Little more than an hour away

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Teddy's Person  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:09:15am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Candace Owens is an idiot. I suppose that’s why she is on FOX: She supports their narrative of race-baiting. (video, 0:58)

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Oh yes, Jim Crow, literacy tests, poll taxes, housing covenants, sharecropping, and the KKK really gave the African American community a leg up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:12:01am

re: #106 Teddy’s Person

Oh yes, Jim Crow, literacy tests, poll taxes, housing covenants, sharecropping, and the KKK really gave the African American community a leg up.

Yeah, they were doing fine until the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and Affirmative Action ruined them and made them all move back to the Plantation…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:15:02am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, they were doing fine until the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and Affirmative Action ruined them and made them all move back to the Plantation…

I guess Candace is a member of the school where history is not important since it happened so far in the past.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:15:47am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, they were doing fine until the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and Affirmative Action ruined them and made them all move back to the Plantation…

Trump has really unleashed the full force of the assault on reality. It’s been building for half a century, but the damn has burst.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:16:53am

re: #109 Teddy’s Person

Trump has really unleashed the full force of the assault on reality. It’s been building for half a century, but the damn has burst.

I still recall the reaction to comparing photos inauguration crowds.

That was when I knew that we had achieved the New Media Reality.

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Old Liberal  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:20:21am

re: #109 Teddy’s Person

Trump has really unleashed the full force of the assault on reality. It’s been building for half a century, but the damn has burst.

Not too long ago the media would not allow these lies to go unchallenged. Now it’s “report the controversy “

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:20:58am

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:24:30am

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

That should be the end of his career. Hopefully. Have never watched any of his shows so good riddance.

Not quite; Toy Story 4 is coming out soon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:24:40am

re: #111 Old Liberal

Not too long ago the media would not allow these lies to go unchallenged. Now it’s “report the controversy “

Why aren’t the MSM covering this?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:25:16am

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not quite; Toy Story 4 is coming out soon.

Does he play a bitter, resentful washed-up toy who is trying to get his groove back?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:26:52am

Good news; 8 jurors refused to convict man for providing humanitarian aid to migrants. I hope the government doesn’t ask for a retrial.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:27:11am

re: #108 Feline Fearless Leader

I guess Candace is a member of the school where history is not important since it happened so far in the past.

Candace is a child of a generation that grew up with no idea of what things were like back in the “Good Ol’ Days.” A generation for whom Jim Crow is consigned to the history books, like “redlining” and “coloreds-only.” She’s had all the advantages and protections won in the Civil Rights Era guaranteed to her from the day she was born. So it’s easy for her to believe that all the problems she sees around her are due to “socialism” rather than the legacy of a racist nation that had to (grudgingly) come to terms with its past.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:28:14am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Does he play a bitter, resentful washed-up toy who is trying to get his groove back?

That was the plot of the first Toy Story. And Tom Hanks played that toy.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:44:17am

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Good news; 8 jurors refused to convict man for providing humanitarian aid to migrants. I hope the government doesn’t ask for a retrial.

How many times can a person be retried for the same case? I would think there would be a limit…it would be like judge shopping but through voir dire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:45:09am

re: #118 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That was the plot of the first Toy Story.

And pretty much the character he played in Galaxy Quest

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:47:43am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And pretty much the character he played in Galaxy Quest

He was playing a thinly-veiled riff of William Shatner, not knowing it was a glimpse at his future.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:49:24am

re: #121 Targetpractice

He was playing a thinly-veiled riff of William Shatner, not knowing it was a glimpse at his future.

Shatner was never really a washed-up one-show character, his career recovered and continued.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:49:47am

re: #119 MsJ

In theory, until there is a final decision, either guilty or not guilty. Or until one party gives up, and often, its the prosecution. After two hung juries, the I think the jury pool would tend to be “well, if they hung twice, he must NOT be guilty”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:51:40am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Rant number one (the one that will probably offend a bunch of people), about a discussion on another site. Behind the hide bar so you don’t have to see if you wish to pass on that. A lesson in stereotyping: It’s okay unless you gore my ox.

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Was this on the site where comments are not allowed?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:52:10am

re: #119 MsJ

How many times can a person be retried for the same case? I would think there would be a limit…it would be like judge shopping but through voir dire.

There is no limit. Unless the jury reaches a verdict, double jeopardy doesn’t apply.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:56:39am

For a fraction of the cost of Trump’s tax cuts, we could eliminate lead contamination of our environment with massive benefits to our children and nation. But of course “we can’t afford it” unless its tax cuts for billionaires. vox.com

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:56:55am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Shatner was never really a washed-up one-show character, his career recovered and continued.

Well, in the film, so did Allen’s character. Like Shatner, he was an egotistical ass who stepped on his co-stars, loved the spotlight so long as he thought people loved him, and became a bitter jerk once he realized people thought of him as a joke.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2019 • 6:59:34am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Candace is a child of a generation that grew up with no idea of what things were like back in the “Good Ol’ Days.” A generation for whom Jim Crow is consigned to the history books, like “redlining” and “coloreds-only.” She’s had all the advantages and protections won in the Civil Rights Era guaranteed to her from the day she was born. So it’s easy for her to believe that all the problems she sees around her are due to “socialism” rather than the legacy of a racist nation that had to (grudgingly) come to terms with its past.

She has suckled history from the breast of Dinesh D’Souza. (Sorry if that metaphor made anyone throw up in their mouth)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:05:29am

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

She has suckled history from the breast of Dinesh D’Souza. (Sorry if that metaphor made anyone throw up in their mouth)

Shame on you for putting that image in my head!

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:08:26am

re: #96 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Look, guys, no hands!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:08:36am

I have a Log Cabin Republican friend (and big fan of Milo) who tells me that he has been more “oppressed” for being GOP than for being gay.

Of course we all remember GOP conversion therapy, forbidding Republicans to marry and of course the Woodfence Riots, when police raided a club where Conservatives hung out.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:09:16am

Space X is now live for today’s launch.

T-8 minutes

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:11:46am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a Log Cabin Republican friend (and big fan of Milo) who tells me that he has been more “oppressed” for being GOP than for being gay.

Of course we all remember GOP conversion therapy, forbidding Republicans to marry and of course the Woodfence Riots, when police raided a club where Conservatives hung out.

Did you ask him what the view was like from up on that cross?

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:12:20am

re: #76 Dread Pirate

That woman doesn’t know shit from Shinola.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:13:19am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:13:23am

Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice had what I think is a good take on Jon Stewart’s testimony in front of the house -sub committee yesterday. I know I’m quoting more than I should, but here it is. Adam says a lot more at the link.

Jon Stewart Is an Unsupervised Child Playing With a Loaded Gun

This subcommittee, a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, has fourteen members: 8 Democrats and 6 Republicans. And in today’s meeting Congressman Nadler, who is an ex-officio member as the chair of the House Judiciary Committee, was also sitting in. At the point that Stewart decided to pitch his fit during his opening remarks about there being an “empty Congress”, seven of the subcommittee members were in the room. Though you could only see six of them in the video because of how the cameras were angled. The subcommittee meets in the same chambers as the full House Judiciary Committee, so even if everyone was there, the dais at the front of the room where the members of the subcommittee sit would look somewhere around 2/3 empty as there are 41 members of the full Judiciary Committee.

The vote to move it out of the Judiciary Committee is actually scheduled for tomorrow and it will pass there, and then the full House in short order, with significant bipartisan support. But once it does, it has to go across the Capitol to the Senate. Stewart knows, and if he doesn’t, then he should, that the problem isn’t the House or its Democratic majority. Rather it’s the McConnell controlled, GOP majority Senate. Should Senator McConnell deign to allow this to move forward, given he’s bottled up everything else the House has passed, he’s likely to demand ransom to do so. Why? Because he watched how Stewart manipulated the news media today to hammer the Democrats running the House of Representatives for failing to take care of 9-11 first responders who are ill because of their service on 9-11. Senator McConnell also knows that if he does nothing, because there isn’t going to be an equivalent hearing in the Senate to produce equally negative publicity, that he and his GOP majority in the Senate will take no blame.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:13:33am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Candace is a child of a generation that grew up with no idea of what things were like back in the “Good Ol’ Days.” A generation for whom Jim Crow is consigned to the history books, like “redlining” and “coloreds-only.” She’s had all the advantages and protections won in the Civil Rights Era guaranteed to her from the day she was born. So it’s easy for her to believe that all the problems she sees around her are due to “socialism” rather than the legacy of a racist nation that had to (grudgingly) come to terms with its past.

Was she adopted and raised by a white family?

Because I can’t imagine an actual black family (even a well-to-do black family) that wouldn’t have told stories around the dinner table about “when grandma was your age”. And if she’s ever been to a black church… the old ladies with the awesome hats WOULD. NOT. BE. HAVING. IT.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:18:02am

Rocket coming out of the ground fog pretty cool

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:18:11am

And away she goes.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:19:01am

re: #137 sagehen

Was she adopted and raised by a white family?

Because I can’t imagine an actual black family (even a well-to-do black family) that wouldn’t have told stories around the dinner table about “when grandma was your age”. And if she’s ever been to a black church… the old ladies with the awesome hats WOULD. NOT. BE. HAVING. IT.

According to her, she was raised by her grandparents after her parents divorced and cites her grandfather as her inspiration. Said man grew up in NC during Jim Crow, but was one of those who managed to work his way up to owning his own business, so I imagine that dinner table talk was a lot about the “lazy” ni-CLANGs who wouldn’t go out and get a job.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:19:21am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Shatner was never really a washed-up one-show character, his career recovered and continued.

But he did release an album called ‘Has-Been,’ which I thought was pretty funny.

Cool album, too. Joe Jackson helps out on this Blur tune.

William Shatner - Common People

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:20:46am

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Rocket coming out of the ground fog pretty cool

Landing the 1st stage in the fog is going to be interesting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:21:37am

re: #141 makeitstop

But he did release an album called ‘Has-Been,’ which I thought was pretty funny.

Cool album, too. Joe Jackson helps out on this Blur tune.

Yes, he was never bitter.

I recall that album, I found it damn funny

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:21:45am

re: #137 sagehen

Was she adopted and raised by a white family?

Because I can’t imagine an actual black family (even a well-to-do black family) that wouldn’t have told stories around the dinner table about “when grandma was your age”. And if she’s ever been to a black church… the old ladies with the awesome hats WOULD. NOT. BE. HAVING. IT.

People tend to protect their offspring, including from unpleasantness, so if she grew up in a well-off family, they might have tried to put all that behind them.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:23:17am

She grew up in CT, in a well-off family, being raised by grandparents who supported her every whim. Then became an “internet celebrity” because “college drop-out” can only get you so far.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:23:42am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:24:18am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:25:21am

re: #141 makeitstop

But he did release an album called ‘Has-Been,’ which I thought was pretty funny.

Cool album, too. Joe Jackson helps out on this Blur tune.

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Video

That song is actually by Pulp. I love that song.

Pulp - Common People

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:25:31am

*sigh* And so begins yet another prolonged court battle.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:25:37am

Nailed it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:26:28am

re: #142 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Landing the 1st stage in the fog is going to be interesting.

That split screen was nice

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:27:59am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:33:19am

re: #151 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That split screen was nice

Yep. Watching the 1st stage disappearing back into the fog was cool.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:33:32am

re: #148 stpaulbear

That song is actually by Pulp. I love that song.

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Blur, Pulp. Four letters with an ‘L’ and a ‘U’ - I’ve always gotten them confused. :)

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:36:50am

to all of you quitting or just quit or keeping the dogs at bay, as a non smoker, I applaud you one and all.

my guess is that quitting smoking is like many other personal challenges in life that are based on behavior changes

first you have to *want* to

that doesnt meant it’ll be any easier
and in the case of smoking there are withdrawal/physio factors

it just seems to me that the desire gives you something to latch on to - as a clear reminder of what you’re doing, why and for who.

“I want to” is a powerful motivator to help you “just keep moving forward”

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Dave In Austin  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:42:12am

The Beach Boys - Wouldn’t It Be Nice (Original Video)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:43:55am

re: #154 makeitstop

Blur, Pulp. Four letters with an ‘L’ and a ‘U’ - I’ve always gotten them confused. :)

Burp

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:45:49am

re: #145 Targetpractice

Then became an “internet celebrity” because “college drop-out” can only get you so far.

Oh, I assumed (and you know what that gets you) that she was like gun-girl and chuckles; graduated from college and realized she had no marketable skill and went the grift route.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:46:26am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a Log Cabin Republican friend (and big fan of Milo) who tells me that he has been more “oppressed” for being GOP than for being gay.

Of course we all remember GOP conversion therapy, forbidding Republicans to marry and of course the Woodfence Riots, when police raided a club where Conservatives hung out.

any republican nightclubs or churches been fatally attacked?

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:47:18am

re: #158 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Oh, I assumed (and you know what that gets you) that she was like gun-girl and chuckles; graduated from college and realized she had no marketable skill and went the grift route.

Nope, she dropped out after her freshman year. She insists it was a problem with her scholarship, the school says she just up and quit.

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Archangelus  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:47:24am

YouTube

Me, watching the House Oversight Committee discuss holding Bill Barr and Wilbur Ross in contempt: “Interesting, i’ll keep watching this…”
* A wild Jim Jordan appears and starts talking*
“Nope, i’m out”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:49:14am

re: #160 Targetpractice

Nope, she dropped out after her freshman year. She insists it was a problem with her scholarship, the school says she just up and quit.

Wonder who I believe here?

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:49:40am

re: #161 Archangelus

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Video

Me, watching the House Oversight Committee discuss holding Bill Barr and Wilbur Ross in contempt: “Interesting, i’ll keep watching this…”
* A wild Jim Jordan appears and starts talking*
“Nope, i’m out”

I wanna say right now that I have way more respect for Cummings than I do Nadler right now. No “negotiations” that keep dragging out things out, no “good faith” that keeps repeatedly getting violated, and no acting like the DOJ leadership are acting like anything but extortionists for threatening to use exec privilege as a means of getting Congress to back off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:51:42am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

The quit coach is right.

Sounds to me more like the advice that you may give to someone who is a drug addict living with another drug addict or an alcoholic living with another alcoholic who doesn’t want to quit. Smoking is not in the same category at all.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:52:51am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

JUST IN: Trump has asserted executive privilege over materials in the Census dispute w/ House Oversight. This just before the committee is set to hold AG Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt for failing to turn over the materials, which the committee had subpoenaed

- post hoc asserting EP over everything
- like i said yesterday, using EP as a weapon to retaliate against actions he doesnt like

- if the material was subject to EP they would/should have assert that argument from the beginning

- then negotiated as to what parts of the materials they would waive EP on

this is ass backwards

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:57:45am

re: #165 DangerMan

- post hoc asserting EP over everything
- like i said yesterday, using EP as a weapon to retaliate against actions he doesnt like

- if the material was subject to EP they would/should have assert that argument from the beginning

- then negotiated as to what parts of the materials they would waive EP on

this is ass backwards

It is what this administration does; they people in charge are banging around in a clear box with no direction or focus. And no actual understanding of what their endpoint goad is other than stealing as much as possible before the adults return to the house

I think I may have mixed a bunch of metaphors, there.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:58:52am

re: #165 DangerMan

- post hoc asserting EP over everything
- like i said yesterday, using EP as a weapon to retaliate against actions he doesnt like

- if the material was subject to EP they would/should have assert that argument from the beginning

- then negotiated as to what parts of the materials they would waive EP on

this is ass backwards

This is William Barr who believes that the President (R) is a dictator and will use every tool available to stop the legislature if it is not compliant with presidential wishes. Let’s hope the judiciary isn’t yet so contaminated that it concurs with this view.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 7:59:23am

re: #165 DangerMan

- post hoc asserting EP over everything
- like i said yesterday, using EP as a weapon to retaliate against actions he doesnt like

- if the material was subject to EP they would/should have assert that argument from the beginning

- then negotiated as to what parts of the materials they would waive EP on

this is ass backwards

WH: “We’re not asserting exec privilege because we’ve nothing to hide!”

Dems: “Then we’d like to see those documents.”

WH: “Look, if you want to see them, you’re gonna have to negotiate with us on which parts we’ll show you.”

Dems: “If you’ve nothing to hide, then we want to see them in full.”

WH: “FUCK YOU! Because you wouldn’t negotiate, we’re now asserting exec privilege! You’re never going to see anything! And the voters will see that we’re the victims!”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:04:18am

re: #165 DangerMan

Which will be obvious to any judge asked to rule on that.

Galaxy Brain dealmaking.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:05:24am

re: #149 Targetpractice

*sigh* And so begins yet another prolonged court battle.

And as much as certain people here hate it, there is a process in Washington that will have to be followed.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:06:08am

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Because this isn’t about the information, it’s about a Unitary Executive.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:08:11am

re: #170 Belafon

And as much as certain people here hate it, there is a process in Washington that will have to be followed.

A process that is dragging along because there’s no visible urgency, allowing the WH to set the pace and so stall for as long as possible.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:09:49am

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

Sounds to me more like the advice that you may give to someone who is a drug addict living with another drug addict or an alcoholic living with another alcoholic who doesn’t want to quit. Smoking is not in the same category at all.

Either way, the only loser is Anymouse and his wife. Smoking severely impacts your quality of life. I wouldn’t wish that addiction on anyone.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:10:59am

re: #172 Targetpractice

A process that is dragging along because there’s no visible urgency, allowing the WH to set the pace and so stall for as long as possible.

“Can’t we just change this baseball game to two strikes instead of three?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:13:50am

So if Barr and Ross are held in contempt by the committee, what happens next?

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:17:41am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

Continued constitutional crisis.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:18:05am

re: #174 Belafon

“Can’t we just change this baseball game to two strikes instead of three?”

Back when I played slow pitch softball the league sped games up by having the count for a batter start at 1-1. So essentially it went to two strikes.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:18:22am

re: #24 Dread Pirate

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So it worked as designed

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:23:01am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

So if Barr and Ross are held in contempt by the committee, what happens next?

They will have to go to bed with no dessert and no bed time story.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:24:00am

re: #176 stpaulbear

Continued constitutional crisis.

At least one chamber is doing their job, even if it’s slow. The constitutional crisis is McConnell refusing to do his job.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:24:36am

re: #174 Belafon

“Can’t we just change this baseball game to two strikes instead of three?”

You’re right, what we need is another 4 years of extra innings.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:25:20am

re: #171 Belafon

Because this isn’t about the information, it’s about a Unitary Executive.

Which is exactly what the whole debate was after the revolution and was decided that we wouldn’t have a king.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:26:04am

re: #180 Belafon

At least one chamber is doing their job, even if it’s slow. The constitutional crisis is McConnell refusing to do his job.

Combined with a mass media looking for profits, horse races, and both siderism rather than being interested in actually being a meaningful Fourth Estate.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:26:51am

re: #180 Belafon

At least one chamber is doing their job, even if it’s slow. The constitutional crisis is McConnell refusing to do his job.

What job is he refusing to do? If you’re going to say some variation of “squashing impeachment,” I’m afraid I’m gonna have to point that he can only do that if House actually starts the process.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:27:13am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

Every election is important, even primaries. Who the hell voted for him? They need a very large cluebat.

Is Virginia an open primary state?

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:28:00am

re: #185 Eventual Carrion

Is Virginia an open primary state?

It is.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:28:06am

re: #167 Hecuba’s daughter

This is William Barr who believes that the President (R) is a dictator and will use every tool available to stop the legislature if it is not compliant with presidential wishes. Let’s hope the judiciary isn’t yet so contaminated that it concurs with this view.

- exactly
- not on the merits of EP, but rather, can we get away with asserting it

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:28:27am

re: #168 Targetpractice

WH: “We’re not asserting exec privilege because we’ve nothing to hide!”

Dems: “Then we’d like to see those documents.”

WH: “Look, if you want to see them, you’re gonna have to negotiate with us on which parts we’ll show you.”

Dems: “If you’ve nothing to hide, then we want to see them in full.”

WH: “FUCK YOU! Because you wouldn’t negotiate, we’re now asserting exec privilege! You’re never going to see anything! And the voters will see that we’re the victims!”

bravo

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:30:12am

re: #184 Targetpractice

What job is he refusing to do? If you’re going to say some variation of “squashing impeachment,” I’m afraid I’m gonna have to point that he can only do that if House actually starts the process.

One of the jobs of the Legislative branch is oversight of the other two. Having the Senate not actively doing that is dereliction of its responsibility.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:31:09am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Back when I played slow pitch softball the league sped games up by having the count for a batter start at 1-1. So essentially it went to two strikes.

i assume
that rule was known by all
before the game
and not made up by one of the teams playing and in the bottom of the third inning

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:32:11am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

So if Barr and Ross are held in contempt by the committee, what happens next?

we are learning that a lot of the ‘checks and balances’ when pushed past previously acceptable bounds, don’t have a lot of enforcement teeth

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:36:41am

re: #184 Targetpractice

What job is he refusing to do? If you’re going to say some variation of “squashing impeachment,” I’m afraid I’m gonna have to point that he can only do that if House actually starts the process.

Squashing impeachment is only one of hundreds of ways that McConnell has been disabling democracy over the last 11 years.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:36:42am

re: #191 DangerMan

we are learning that a lot of the ‘checks and balances’ when pushed past previously acceptable bounds, don’t have a lot of enforcement teeth

The House might have the ability to put someone in jail for refusing to comply based on previous Supreme Court rulings. Everyone knows testing this with the current SCOTUS makeup will be a great unknown. But we are definitely learning that any rule system depends on at least a majority of those participating follow those rules.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:37:16am

re: #189 Belafon

One of the jobs of the Legislative branch is oversight of the other two. Having the Senate not actively doing that is dereliction of its responsibility.

Another is holding hearings on Presidential nominees (like judges and justices). I know that was a long, long time ago, but he really did refuse to do that for years.

Yet another is considering the bills the House passes. Which seems to be severely delayed for some strange reason.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:41:00am

re: #189 Belafon

One of the jobs of the Legislative branch is oversight of the other two. Having the Senate not actively doing that is dereliction of its responsibility.

There’s a lot of room in that argument for interpretation. If the Senate Majority Leader and the ranking committee chairs feel that the WH is exercising its constitutional duties and that there is nothing to investigate, how are they derelict in their responsibilities?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:41:18am

re: #192 stpaulbear

Nancy has to pull the trigger on impeachment. Not going to happen.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:42:07am

re: #196 Shropshire Slasher

Nancy has to pull the trigger on impeachment. Not going to happen.

Pelosi doesn’t start impeachment, the House does.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:42:15am

re: #193 Belafon

The House might have the ability to put someone in jail for refusing to comply based on previous Supreme Court rulings. Everyone knows testing this with the current SCOTUS makeup will be a great unknown. But we are definitely learning that any rule system depends on at least a majority of those participating follow those rules.

Except they won’t because they’re afraid of “overstepping.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:42:42am

re: #197 Belafon

Pelosi doesn’t start impeachment, the House does.

I think we both know that’s a distinction without a difference.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:43:15am

re: #189 Belafon

One of the jobs of the Legislative branch is oversight of the other two. Having the Senate not actively doing that is dereliction of its responsibility.

two more examples:
- it’s the senate’s job to debate bills and vote on them.
- merrick garland

- while mcconnel has the power, it is not his job to block bills coming up for consideration at all (virtually all originated by D’s or the current D house)
- there is no reasonable interpretation of “advice and consent” that justifies Garland (yes, i know the arguments that have been tried)

-he’s manipulating and changing written senate rules
-he’s manipulating un-written, generally agreed upon rules
-and then everyone’s reading the constitution saying “well i guess that’s a reasonable interpretation based on how it was written”. it’s all post hoc

no one in his right mind believes the constitution was deliberately written to allow all this. its a way of justifying, after all this has happened, and since we cant deny the constitution exists, i guess we have to pretzel logic this interpretation otherwise…..

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:44:37am

re: #184 Targetpractice

What job is he refusing to do? If you’re going to say some variation of “squashing impeachment,” I’m afraid I’m gonna have to point that he can only do that if House actually starts the process.

Hasn’t the House passed dozens of bills that the Senate is refusing to consider? That is certainly a dereliction of duty, unless your duty is to convert us into a province of Russia.

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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:44:37am

re: #86 Dread Pirate

I don’t know how people from the mid-west and south deal with night heat. I can’t sleep until it’s around 74 degrees. It’s still 78 out and 82 in.

pop the door and window open around 10, point my floor fan out the door, crank it up to high, which is about 120 decibels on that sucker. Give it an hour and it will pull the temperature down to high 70’s. Turn the fan around facing my bed, sleep in boxers with no sheets, but maybe my feet covered my the top spread, and I’m good to go.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:44:59am

re: #197 Belafon

and in five short months we will find out if she will have that position in 2020.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:45:51am

re: #195 Targetpractice

There’s a lot of room in that argument for interpretation. If the Senate Majority Leader and the ranking committee chairs feel that the WH is exercising its constitutional duties and that there is nothing to investigate, how are they derelict in their responsibilities?

A distinction without a difference. The fact that Mueller said that Congress needs to do its job, and the Senate refuses to - and yes, the Senate can start hearings that could lead to impeachment being brought - means they are refusing to do their duty. The fact that they aren’t is THE constitutional crisis.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:46:05am

re: #193 Belafon

The House might have the ability to put someone in jail for refusing to comply based on previous Supreme Court rulings. Everyone knows testing this with the current SCOTUS makeup will be a great unknown. But we are definitely learning that any rule system depends on at least a majority of those participating follow those rules.

a majority respecting the system and following the rules, yes, and being held responsible when they don’t

why do ‘lots’ of people speed? they certainly know the rules and the risks
why don’t lots of people run red lights?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:46:27am

re: #199 Targetpractice

I think we both know that’s a distinction without a difference.

Um, not in this case. Talk to Rep Neal about it.

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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:46:35am

re: #88 Dread Pirate

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I understand Great Britain felt honor bound to give up Hong Kong after the lease ran out, but I think everyone looking back , other than the communist Chinese, probably wishes like hell they were still part of the British empire.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:46:55am

Instead of using the term ‘acting’ for members of anything needing confirmation and not having it, we should use ‘unconfirmed’, ‘not-confirmed’, ‘possibly unconfirmable’, ‘misconfirmed’, ‘dysconfirmed’, and just keep making up words for it in search of entertainment.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:46:55am

re: #194 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Another is holding hearings on Presidential nominees (like judges and justices). I know that was a long, long time ago, but he really did refuse to do that for years.

Yet another is considering the bills the House passes. Which seems to be severely delayed for some strange reason.

gmta
same two arguments i made later
(i type slow)

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:47:03am

re: #201 Hecuba’s daughter

Hasn’t the House passed dozens of bills that the Senate is refusing to consider? That is certainly a dereliction of duty, unless your duty is to convert us into a province of Russia.

Best argument here might be “letter vs spirit of the law.” There’s nothing that prevents either house of Congress from sitting on a bill until the clock runs out.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:47:30am

re: #205 DangerMan

a majority respecting the system and following the rules, yes, and being held responsible when they don’t

why do ‘lots’ of people speed? they certainly know the rules and the risks
why don’t lots of people run red lights?

And the only way for us to hold some of those people responsible occurs every couple of years, on a schedule.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:49:52am

re: #204 Belafon

A distinction without a difference. The fact that Mueller said that Congress needs to do its job, and the Senate refuses to - and yes, the Senate can start hearings that could lead to impeachment being brought - means they are refusing to do their duty. The fact that they aren’t is THE constitutional crisis.

Mueller has no authority over Congress, his job was to run an investigation and submit a Report. He made no call on conspiracy or obstruction, his boss did. And the Senate chooses to accept the AG’s position that no crimes were committed. So again, how are they derelict?

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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:50:33am

re: #112 Belafon

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You can’t harass people based on disability. In other words, you were poking fun at dumb people.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:52:42am

re: #195 Targetpractice

There’s a lot of room in that argument for interpretation. If the Senate Majority Leader and the ranking committee chairs feel that the WH is exercising its constitutional duties and that there is nothing to investigate, how are they derelict in their responsibilities?

i think because we all know they don’t feel that way

they are deliberately letting the admin get away with everything
they are investigating nothing - they’re not even bothering to look

-because right now protecting the admin is in their personal and party’s self interest
- they’re not, as a body, considering ‘constitutional duties’

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:52:54am

re: #206 Belafon

Um, not in this case. Talk to Rep Neal about it.

About what? About the hope for an “18 minutes of tape” moment hiding in Trump’s tax returns?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:53:35am

re: #210 Targetpractice

Best argument here might be “letter vs spirit of the law.” There’s nothing that prevents either house of Congress from sitting on a bill until the clock runs out.

The constitution doesn’t define constituional crisis. That’s entirely up to us. And McConnell’s refusal to have the Senate do it’s part in governing (on a wide range of things) is a constitutional crisis.

Theoretically, I could stay at home and do nothing, but that would introduce all sorts of crises.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:53:57am

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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I think that was pretty neat. What a great bug!

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Old Liberal  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:56:34am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a Log Cabin Republican friend (and big fan of Milo) who tells me that he has been more “oppressed” for being GOP than for being gay.

Of course we all remember GOP conversion therapy, forbidding Republicans to marry and of course the Woodfence Riots, when police raided a club where Conservatives hung out.

Quisling said the same thing. Got more shit from Norwegians than he ever got from the Nazis

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steve_davis  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:56:35am

re: #137 sagehen

Was she adopted and raised by a white family?

Because I can’t imagine an actual black family (even a well-to-do black family) that wouldn’t have told stories around the dinner table about “when grandma was your age”. And if she’s ever been to a black church… the old ladies with the awesome hats WOULD. NOT. BE. HAVING. IT.

One of my black students 20 years ago had to leave the low country as a child, for relatives in Detroit, because she said something to a white girl on the street and there was very real fear that there would be retaliation for it. Now, that was probably the 1950’s, but the 1950’s weren’t that long ago.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:57:05am

re: #196 Shropshire Slasher

Nancy has to pull the trigger on impeachment. Not going to happen.

It’s not all-or-nothing. The house is not doing nothing. They’re at least keeping their head above water while McConnell, Barr, Trump and all of his (acting) goons are doing everything they can to drown them. Calling what they’re doing ‘impeachment’ is not going to instantly provide a life preserver.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:58:49am

re: #214 DangerMan

i think because we all know they don’t feel that way

they are deliberately letting the admin get away with everything
they are investigating nothing - they’re not even bothering to look

-because right now protecting the admin is in their personal and party’s self interest
- they’re not, as a body, considering ‘constitutional duties’

I should take a sec to note I’m wearing my Devil’s Advocate robes today.

That out of the way, there’s no legal obligation or duty for the Senate to start an investigation if they feel that the verdict they’ve been handed is the right one. They brought Barr in, he says that there was no conspiracy and no obstruction, then what law or Constitutional duty are they violating by agreeing with him?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:59:03am

re: #220 stpaulbear

It’s not all-or-nothing. The house is not doing nothing. They’re at least keeping their head above water while McConnell, Barr, Trump and all of his (acting) goons are doing everything they can to drown them. Calling what they’re doing ‘impeachment’ is not going to instantly provide a life preserver.

Impeachment will not save us (and no, this is not an argument against the House impeaching Trump). That starts in 2020.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 8:59:26am

re: #210 Targetpractice

Best argument here might be “letter vs spirit of the law.” There’s nothing that prevents either house of Congress from sitting on a bill until the clock runs out.

this is sorta my point - and not directed at you

yes -there is nothing that prevents either house of Congress from sitting on a bill until the clock runs out.

- mcconnell is not sitting on a bill. he’s deliberately sitting on everything regardless of whether it has any merit

so ‘the letter of the law’ is a way of explaining how doing this is normal/allowed/acceptable

they wrote imperfect documents way back when. a lot of what’s going on today was never contemplated. they would have needed a lot more ink and paper to cover it all.

so no, this is not (imo) how business was intended to be done when they put the country together

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:02:11am

Not to steal anything from BWS, but…moron.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:02:27am

re: #223 DangerMan

this is sorta my point - and not directed at you

yes -there is nothing that prevents either house of Congress from sitting on a bill until the clock runs out.

- mcconnell is not sitting on a bill. he’s deliberately sitting on everything regardless of whether it has any merit

so ‘the letter of the law’ is a way of explaining how doing this is normal/allowed/acceptable

they wrote imperfect documents way back when. a lot of what’s going on today was never contemplated. they would have needed a lot more ink and paper to cover it all.

so no, this is not (imo) how business was intended to be done when they put the country together

Well, unfortunately, that’s something that has to be taken up in the courts. Or through legislation, if not a new amendment to the Constitution. And I don’t think you’ll find much support in either party for the latter.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:03:18am

re: #222 Belafon

Impeachment will not save us (and no, this is not an argument against the House impeaching Trump). That starts in 2020.

Here I was, such a fool, thinking that voting in a Dem House majority would be the start.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:03:28am

re: #220 stpaulbear

It’s not all-or-nothing. The house is not doing nothing. They’re at least keeping their head above water while McConnell, Barr, Trump and all of his (acting) goons are doing everything they can to drown them. Calling what they’re doing ‘impeachment’ is not going to instantly provide a life preserver.

The point of some of the foot-draggers on impeachment is that impeachment would likely be a very destructive activity to the country, whereas getting rid of the problem through the election process can more easily be an activity contributing to unity. (Not complete unity, we’re not that kind of country.)

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:04:49am

re: #221 Targetpractice

I should take a sec to note I’m wearing my Devil’s Advocate robes today.

Can we throw you in the water to see whether you float?

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:05:21am

re: #228 wrenchwench

Can we throw you in the water to see whether you float?

What, are we out of ducks?

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:06:19am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:10:41am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Here I was, such a fool, thinking that voting in a Dem House majority would be the start.

It’s already started. What you want is a finish line.

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Teukka  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:12:41am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:13:20am

re: #230 MsJ

“Go All The Way” by Raspberries.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:15:18am

re: #230 MsJ

Some of the responses on that tweet are fantastic.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:15:27am

re: #231 stpaulbear

It’s already started. What you want is a finish line.

See, that’s where we disagree. I’ve been provided with one, it’s just that it’s the one I was assured we weren’t aiming for. That if I got out there and voted for a Dem House majority, if I supported Nancy’s bid for the gavel, that we wouldn’t just get two years of kicking the can down the road.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:19:19am

re: #235 Targetpractice

See, that’s where we disagree. I’ve been provided with one, it’s just that it’s the one I was assured we weren’t aiming for. That if I got out there and voted for a Dem House majority, if I supported Nancy’s bid for the gavel, that we wouldn’t just get two years of kicking the can down the road.

Impeachment now would be the long, slow, path to cleaning house. And it would likely fail. And the failure would increase, not decrease, the thugs’ chance of keeping power.

Impeachment is a life-raft, not a PT boat.

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wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:19:33am

re: #233 stpaulbear

“Go All The Way” by Raspberries.

Flying Lizzards - Money thats what I want 1979

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:21:01am
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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:21:31am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Impeachment now would be the long, slow, path to cleaning house. And it would likely fail. And the failure would increase, not decrease the thugs’ chance of keeping power.

Impeachment is a life-raft, not a PT boat.

So when do we impeach? If there is no redline, no point past which we can’t just “negotiate” or “let the process work,” then why should we have any hope that we’re not just watching the clock until next November?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:22:26am

I keep coming back to the fact that Impeachment, even if it’s not successful, still drives home the point that so much of what Trump has done and is doing is unconstitutional, corrupt and/or illegal and can NOT go unanswered.

If hearings don’t happen that sets a VERY dangerous precedent.

Imagine if one day a Republican President who is not as mentally unstable and far more intelligent and calculating than Trump, but just as cruel and heartless, was elected and used such a precedent to justify all sorts of fuckery?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:25:25am

re: #239 Targetpractice

So when do we impeach? If there is no redline, no point past which we can’t just “negotiate” or “let the process work,” then why should we have any hope that we’re not just watching the clock until next November?

There will be no resolution until November, but there are things to do besides watching clocks. When we let him get elected, we bought all the damage he and his goons can do in four years. Let’s try not to give them eight.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:26:58am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Here I was, such a fool, thinking that voting in a Dem House majority would be the start.

Unfortunately, courtesy of the Constitution, the Senate can be a roadblock to any progress in this nation. Even if there were no gerrymandering and voting suppression, based on the current population distribution of the country, theoretically votes by 10% of the population can have almost complete control of the fate of the rest of us. In practice this isn’t true because some small states vote D and some large states vote R. 52 senators are currently elected by states representing 18% of the population — if in each of those states, half of the population + 1 vote R, then in effect about 10% of the votes are a majority of the Senate —- and have complete control over the judiciary and confirmation of administration appointments. So we have a tyranny of the minority.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:28:35am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

There will be no resolution until November, but there are things to do besides watching clocks. When we let him get elected, we bought all the damage he and his goons can do in four years. Let’s try not to give them eight.

What’s this “we” business, Kemosabe? I got out there, I voted, I did what I was told was necessary to stop him at the polls. Then I got out again two years later because I was told that doing so would be a check on him, if not the beginning of accountability. Now I’m told that I need to wait another two years to stop him from getting eight?

No offense, but I’m beginning to understand why a lot of folks of my generation have given up on politics. We keep getting told that we’re needed, that we can bring new ideas and new fire to the process…and then we do so, only to be told to sit down and do what we’re told. That we can’t get what we want now, we have to wait until the time is right.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:30:23am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep coming back to the fact that Impeachment, even if it’s not successful, still drives home the point that so much of what Trump has done and is doing is unconstitutional, corrupt and/or illegal and can NOT go unanswered.

If hearings don’t happen that sets a VERY dangerous precedent.

Imagine if one day a Republican President who is not as mentally unstable and far more intelligent and calculating than Trump, but just as cruel and heartless, was elected and used such a precedent to justify all sorts of fuckery?

Not interested in driving home a point of constitutional theory. I’m interested in keeping my great-grandaughter from having President Pence speak at her graduation.

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:30:27am

Nancy LeTourneau in Washington Monthly: Inoculation As a Form of Propaganda.

… As we’re seeing now with Attorney General William Barr’s investigation of the investigators, that ultimately leads to charges being met with countercharges in an attempt to confuse the public and ward off accountability.

The reason that kind of propaganda works for Republicans is because low-information voters—spurred by a media obsessed with bothsiderism—tend to respond by saying “they all do it,” which promotes cynicism and a disengagement from the political process. As Barack Obama once wrote:

A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.

As with all forms of propaganda, this one is not easy to combat. But the first step is to recognize what’s going on. From there, taking personal responsibility for staying grounded in facts and evidence, no matter where they lead, is the only possible antidote.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:30:42am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Impeachment now would be the long, slow, path to cleaning house. And it would likely fail. And the failure would increase, not decrease, the thugs’ chance of keeping power.

Impeachment is a life-raft, not a PT boat.

what we (should) want is lots and lots of revealing (and in nauseating detail) investigations. they will have the same effect no matter what they’re called.

at this point the only thing an official impeachment inquiry might get is slightly quicker and maybe a bit more justified access to some dox and people, because it is an impeachment inquiry

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:31:21am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep coming back to the fact that Impeachment, even if it’s not successful, still drives home the point that so much of what Trump has done and is doing is unconstitutional, corrupt and/or illegal and can NOT go unanswered.

If hearings don’t happen that sets a VERY dangerous precedent.

Imagine if one day a Republican President who is not as mentally unstable and far more intelligent and calculating than Trump, but just as cruel and heartless, was elected and used such a precedent to justify all sorts of fuckery?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:32:53am

re: #230 MsJ

Kevin M. Kruse
Ringo Starr, “You’re Sixteen, You’re Beautiful (And You’re Mine)”

cc: @RealJudgeMoorehttps://twitter.com

Danielle Kurtzleben
Ok tell me: Worst possible walkup song for a presidential candidate. Go.

So Joe Morrissey is running for President?

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:32:59am

re: #246 DangerMan

I think the DT admin is, to a certain extent, playing into Nancy’s hands, by making it clear they are going to obstruct everything, to the extent possible. That makes it more and more likely that she can finally say, “They have forced our hand, because there is just no cooperation.”

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:33:27am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Candace is a child of a generation that grew up with no idea of what things were like back in the “Good Ol’ Days.” A generation for whom Jim Crow is consigned to the history books, like “redlining” and “coloreds-only.” She’s had all the advantages and protections won in the Civil Rights Era guaranteed to her from the day she was born. So it’s easy for her to believe that all the problems she sees around her are due to “socialism” rather than the legacy of a racist nation that had to (grudgingly) come to terms with its past.

Nah.

Candace is operating entirely in bad faith, having failed to thrive as a left-leaning internet person back during the Gamergate days.

Whether she’s driven by resentment, narcissism, or just plain grifting is opaque but it amounts to the same thing.

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:34:34am

Jennifer Rubin, WaPo: Joe Biden previews the pummeling he plans to give Trump

There are two ways to bludgeon President Trump — one is to go after his character and behavior, the other is to skewer his inept and counterproductive policies. When both he and Joe Biden were in Iowa on Tuesday, the former vice president did both — quite effectively. …

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:34:41am

re: #246 DangerMan

what we (should) want is lots and lots of revealing (and in nauseating detail) investigations. they will have the same effect no matter what they’re called.

at this point the only thing an official impeachment inquiry might get is slightly quicker and maybe a bit more justified access to some dox and people, because it is an impeachment inquiry

It would also turn what seems to be a meandering and pointless series of investigations into a cohesive narrative. As well as providing the leverage to force people to testify, rather than staging weeks/months long fights in the courts over the enforcement of Congressional subpoenas.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:35:14am

re: #245 retired cynic

Nancy LeTourneau in Washington Monthly: Inoculation As a Form of Propaganda.

… As we’re seeing now with Attorney General William Barr’s investigation of the investigators, that ultimately leads to charges being met with countercharges in an attempt to confuse the public and ward off accountability.

so far, they’re not disputing facts.

this is to misdirect and somehow ‘taint’ the investigation as illegitimate - fruit of the poisonous tree, which is nonsense, applied here.

it is not to in any way ‘prove’ that the things mueller documented happened, did not happen

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:36:36am

re: #249 retired cynic

I think the DT admin is, to a certain extent, playing into Nancy’s hands, by making it clear they are going to obstruct everything, to the extent possible. That makes it more and more likely that she can finally say, “They have forced our hand, because there is just no cooperation.”

i daily want to keep hoping she’s that smart (and they’re that dumb)

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:43:12am

re: #249 retired cynic

I think the DT admin is, to a certain extent, playing into Nancy’s hands, by making it clear they are going to obstruct everything, to the extent possible. That makes it more and more likely that she can finally say, “They have forced our hand, because there is just no cooperation.”

As much as we advise against the misperception that Trump is a genius playing 11th dimensional chess, we should also not find ourselves believing the same about our own leaders. That way lies blind faith and bad falls.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:43:49am

re: #235 Targetpractice

I’m not anti-impeachment, but I’m also not going to say that Nancy Pelosi has a long way to go before she satisfies me. I don’t see her as doddering over this process or the stakes involved. She knows stuff (that we don’t), and I guess I trust her to know how every step needs to be measured, and to know the powers in action on both sides.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:44:00am

re: #251 retired cynic

Jennifer Rubin, WaPo: Joe Biden previews the pummeling he plans to give Trump

The greatest gift Biden will give us is laughing at trump. It will drive trump nuts. And it is and will be glorious to watch.

Trump hates being laughed at. And Biden is going to gnash salt into the wounds.

And more fucking power to him!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:46:10am

re: #255 Targetpractice

As much as we advise against the misperception that Trump is a genius playing 11th dimensional chess, we should also not find ourselves believing the same about our own leaders. That way lies blind faith and bad falls.

This is starting to look like a coup on Mitch’s part based on ineptitude, cluelessness and inertia.

And for now, it seems to be working.

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Teukka  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:46:11am
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:46:54am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Here I was, such a fool, thinking that voting in a Dem House majority would be the start.

You are correct. I should have used 2018. It just didn’t finish on that date.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:47:01am

re: #230 MsJ

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Queen - Another One Bites The Dust (Live)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:48:41am

Li’l Snowflakes.

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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:51:07am

re: #256 stpaulbear

I’m not anti-impeachment, but I’m also not going to say that Nancy Pelosi has a long way to go before she satisfies me. I don’t see her as doddering over this process or the stakes involved. She knows stuff (that we don’t), and I guess I trust her to know how every step needs to be measured, and to know the powers in action on both sides.

There’s an institutional bias in our system against decisive action, against being seen as “rocking the boat.” I don’t doubt that Nancy remembers clearly the ‘04 elections when similar fervor over the Iraq War led to the party splintering and Bush winning a second term. Or the drubbing that her party took at the polls in ‘10 for passing the ACA. That it’s safer to take the slow path, to work people around to an idea, and if that fails then not be seen as doing anything more than “business as usual.” Hence all those popular ideas brought up in the ‘18 midterms being shuffled off to the side for “bread and butter” bills that now in the Senate.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:52:04am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Who the fuck is that Engels dude and the CopperCab dude?

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:52:54am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

So Joe Morrissey is running for President?

Since we all keep bringing this up, I want to point out that the underaged receptionist was 17 — and he married her. They’re still married.

Only 11 states set the age of consent that high.

With the consent of parents, or if emancipated, 16-year-olds can marry in Virginia.

(In memory of my own younger years, I am inclined to give him a pass on this — also, as a political junkie, to wonder why Morrissey was sent to jail for this.)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:55:13am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking from my own experience in quitting smoking, I used an e-cigarette. I have a simple one, basically, a 2200 mAh battery and a Kangertech T3S atomizer with 1.8 ohm coils.

I use a 50/50 PG/VG mix, 20 mg nicotine.

For me at least, it works good.

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:57:16am

re: #257 MsJ

The greatest gift Biden will give us is laughing at trump. It will drive trump nuts. And it is and will be glorious to watch.

Trump hates being laughed at. And Biden is going to gnash salt into the wounds.

And more fucking power to him!

more Jen: “…Biden has the four successful elements of an attack on Trump: Mock him; point out his indifference to average Americans’ troubles; show how Trump’s ill-conceived policies hurt voters; and then lay out common-sense alternatives that Trump is incapable of adopting. If Biden gets through the primary, it’ll be quite something to see him on the debate stage with Trump.”

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:57:31am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Snowflakes.

Someone should take a sign that says “If you’re standing there, you’re first amendment rights have not been violated.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:57:56am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And for some reason, your vid reminded me of this:

Tetsuo - The Iron Man ending

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 9:59:07am

re: #267 retired cynic

more Jen: “…Biden has the four successful elements of an attack on Trump: Mock him; point out his indifference to average Americans’ troubles; show how Trump’s ill-conceived policies hurt voters; and then lay out common-sense alternatives that Trump is incapable of adopting. If Biden gets through the primary, it’ll be quite something to see him on the debate stage with Trump.”

I do think the other candidates need to adopt the first one more. Warren especially does the rest of them, but there needs to be a mocking component to any of criticism of Trump because it does set him off.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:12:19am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Speaking from my own experience in quitting smoking, I used an e-cigarette. I have a simple one, basically, a 2200 mAh battery and a Kangertech T3S atomizer with 1.8 ohm coils.

I use a 50/50 PG/VG mix, 20 mg nicotine.

For me at least, it works good.

I’ve gone through 4 or 5 different e-cigs (including one I had to buy in California after the one I took with me went toes-up), and I’ve coming up on two and a half years Marlboro-free.

I’m currently using a pretty high end one, by my standards - a Vaporesso Revenger Mini that one of my nieces gave to me. The power is adjustable, so I can dial it up or down depending upon how much of a hit I want.

When I started vaping, I went with 18mg of nicotine. I’ve been working my way down over time, and now I’m down to 10mg. I hope to halve that by the end of the year.

But going to an e-cig was the best move I ever made. I have no cravings for tobacco at all any more, and I haven’t for a long time.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:15:37am

re: #271 makeitstop

I still get the craving for a cigarette every so often, but I’ve long noticed it’s purely psychological. I just let it pass, which it does in a couple of minutes or so.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:17:55am

re: #271 makeitstop

Great to hear! Keep it up, man.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:18:50am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:20:28am

re: #274 Belafon

For a minute I thought Elizabeth was talking about Trump.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:21:57am

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

For a minute I thought Elizabeth was talking about Trump.

Probably applies to the whole damn family.

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:30:37am

re: #263 Targetpractice

There’s an institutional bias in our system against decisive action, against being seen as “rocking the boat.” I don’t doubt that Nancy remembers clearly the ‘04 elections when similar fervor over the Iraq War led to the party splintering and Bush winning a second term. Or the drubbing that her party took at the polls in ‘10 for passing the ACA. That it’s safer to take the slow path, to work people around to an idea, and if that fails then not be seen as doing anything more than “business as usual.” Hence all those popular ideas brought up in the ‘18 midterms being shuffled off to the side for “bread and butter” bills that now in the Senate.

- as long as we’re doing the literal vs spirit of the thing
- and a valid concern is to the integrity of the institution and what should/could be done about it / cant let him get away with it, etc.
- there seems to be nothing to prevent congress from investigating and impeaching an ex-president

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:35:42am

re: #265 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Since we all keep bringing this up, I want to point out that the underaged receptionist was 17 — and he married her. They’re still married.

Only 11 states set the age of consent that high.

With the consent of parents, or if emancipated, 16-year-olds can marry in Virginia.

(In memory of my own younger years, I am inclined to give him a pass on this — also, as a political junkie, to wonder why Morrissey was sent to jail for this.)

Louisiana just killed a bill to establish a minimum age to marry. A child of any age can marry if a judge authorizes it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:38:26am
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:43:11am

re: #277 DangerMan

Impeachment and conviction removes them from office. There’s definitely nothing preventing a congress from presenting incriminating evidence to the DOJ.

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Mattand  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:47:53am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep coming back to the fact that Impeachment, even if it’s not successful, still drives home the point that so much of what Trump has done and is doing is unconstitutional, corrupt and/or illegal and can NOT go unanswered.

If hearings don’t happen that sets a VERY dangerous precedent.

Imagine if one day a Republican President who is not as mentally unstable and far more intelligent and calculating than Trump, but just as cruel and heartless, was elected and used such a precedent to justify all sorts of fuckery?

We have that already: former OH governor John Kasich. All of the evil, none of the dementia.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:50:27am

re: #280 Belafon

Impeachment and conviction removes them from office. There’s definitely nothing preventing a congress from presenting incriminating evidence to the DOJ.

Where William Barr will promptly round-file it?

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Mattand  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:51:14am

re: #251 retired cynic

Jennifer Rubin, WaPo: Joe Biden previews the pummeling he plans to give Trump

I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Unfortunately, all I can think of when reading this stuff is that if the Dems get their candidate elected POTUS, Jen Rubin, Micheal Smerconish, David Frum, et. al., are right back to eating paste and trying to get a non-crazy Trump into office.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:51:26am

re: #282 sagehen

Where William Barr will promptly round-file it?

I’m thinking 2021 here.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:52:35am

re: #283 Mattand

I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Unfortunately, all I can think of when reading this stuff is that if the Dems get their candidate elected POTUS, Jen Rubin, Micheal Smerconish, David Frum, et. al., are right back to eating paste and trying to get a non-crazy Trump into office.

The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. Not necessarily a friend, but is helping you with the immediate fight. Think Stalin.

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:53:56am
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Mattand  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:55:11am

re: #285 Belafon

The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. Not necessarily a friend, but is helping you with the immediate fight. Think Stalin.

LOL, I’d rather not.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 10:59:48am

re: #267 retired cynic

more Jen: “…Biden has the four successful elements of an attack on Trump: Mock him; point out his indifference to average Americans’ troubles; show how Trump’s ill-conceived policies hurt voters; and then lay out common-sense alternatives that Trump is incapable of adopting. If Biden gets through the primary, it’ll be quite something to see him on the debate stage with Trump.”

Trump: (throws out some insult)

Unca Joe: If you want to play childhood insult games, go back to Twitter. This is supposed to be a debate about policies for every American, not recess. Insults are for children.

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Sea Mexican  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:06:12am

re: #265 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Since we all keep bringing this up, I want to point out that the underaged receptionist was 17 — and he married her. They’re still married.

Only 11 states set the age of consent that high.

With the consent of parents, or if emancipated, 16-year-olds can marry in Virginia.

(In memory of my own younger years, I am inclined to give him a pass on this — also, as a political junkie, to wonder why Morrissey was sent to jail for this.)

Reminds me of a plot point in Broadchurch.

One of the first suspects of the death of the child was a man that was revealed to have been convicted as a sex offender. It turned out that, while he doubled her age, was convicted and went to jail, she waited for him, they got married, moved to Broadchurch to escape the scandal, and lived together until her death.

He killed himself when the sex conviction made the news without context.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:08:56am

re: #287 Mattand

LOL, I’d rather not.

WW2 is a pretty relevant reference, though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:26:49am

re: #281 Mattand

We have that already: former OH governor John Kasich. All of the evil, none of the dementia.

But at least Kasich is Commander in Chief of the Military. Nor does he have access to the Nuclear codes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:29:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:36:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:38:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:39:38am
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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:40:17am

Jim Wright
June 9 *


Stonekettle 2020

I’m not really running, but let’s scare the hell out of people and pretend I am.

New shirts and other campaign loot up on my Etsy store.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:40:48am

JFC

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:43:34am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Go for it, Donald. Make Putin look bad, I dare you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:44:14am

re: #296 retired cynic

That is awesome. He’d have my vote for sure!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:45:18am

...

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:45:40am

A fascist leader wanting to send troops to Poland.

What could possibly go wrong?

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:46:26am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the man cant answer unsolicited questions because he’s clueless

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:49:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:51:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:51:36am

re: #302 DangerMan

the man cant answer unsolicited questions because he’s clueless

just imagine him testifying under oath…

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DangerMan  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:53:29am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Trump threatens to redeploy American troops from Germany to Poland unless Germany spends more on its military

from this AM’s electoral-vote.com

…the argument was that it was time for France, Germany, the UK, etc., to become more self-reliant, and less U.S.-reliant. Ostensibly, they were supposed to start paying more of the bills for their own self-defense, and for the U.S. to start paying fewer.

Whether Trump’s approach was the correct one is open to debate. However, it has been paying some dividends, as the various nations are taking steps to carry more of the load. So, good news, right? Actually, not so much from the perspective of Team Trump. Very predictably, the various NATO/EU nations have started pumping more money into their own defense industries. What that means is that they are preparing to pay more of their own bills, but they are not planning to buy from American suppliers. Hence the administration’s irritation, since defense contracts are carefully distributed across nearly all of the 50 states, and are very important to many local economies.

In short, the military-industrial complex appears to be alive and well. Further, if “America First” ultimately undercuts the amount of business that defense contractors do, we could be looking at something of a backdoor version of the trade war and its political/economic effects.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:54:54am

re: #306 DangerMan

womp womp

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:57:54am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love this woman.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:58:55am

re: #308 retired cynic

I love this woman.

She’s a great example of how to do the job well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 11:59:04am

halp, somebody roll my eyes back to normal position…

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:00:22pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

halp, somebody roll my eyes back to normal position…

We’re all in Wonderland.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:05:34pm

*blink*

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:07:35pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

“I’ll vote for him if he’s the last one standing.” Yeah, such hatred. He’s not quite understanding what criticism of him means.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:07:36pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

TRUMP on the most recent love letter he received from totalitarian dictator Kim Jong Un: “Some day you’ll see what was in that letter. Some day you will be reading about it. Maybe 100 years from now. Maybe two weeks. Who knows? But it was a very nice letter. I appreciated it.”

I used to deliver flowers and one of the regulars stops was at the battered women’s shelter. Dropping off bouquets from fellows who I assumed helped put those women there…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:09:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:11:29pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:13:58pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:15:28pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:21:20pm

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We elected a lying piece of trash as leader. Why not think the Tory Brexit Party officials will do the same?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:35:16pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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What happened to the original Bernie tweet? It vanished. Is it possible that it wasn’t legitimate?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:40:43pm

re: #320 Hecuba’s daughter

What happened to the original Bernie tweet? It vanished. Is it possible that it wasn’t legitimate?

It’s interesting that it’s been removed. The pro-Bernie piece over at DK had the full FDR quote he repeated, which ends with the contents of the tweet.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:51:34pm

Poor ignorant deplorables still think they have all the guns……

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2019 • 12:55:53pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

I shall call them this from now on.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:02:49pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This was deleted. What did the original tweet say?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:03:24pm

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Boris deserves to be PM, and finally have to be directly responsible for the mess he has helped create. Look forward to seeing what he does when the EU calls his bluff.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:06:59pm

re: #325 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Boris deserves to be PM, and finally have to be directly responsible for the mess he has helped create. Look forward to seeing what he does when the EU calls his bluff.

There will be no deal, just a cliff edge.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:07:34pm

Cue the screaming of BUT MUH FREEZE PEACH!!

A federal court has ruled on Wednesday that the publishers of the neo-Nazi and white nationalist website, the Daily Stormer, must pay $4.1 million to the SiriusXM radio host Dean Obeidallah for publishing defamatory statements about him.

“American Muslims should be able to take part in public life without being threatened or attacked,” Obeidallah said in a statement. “This ruling sends a clear message that Muslim voices will not be silenced by threats and hate.”

In August 2017, Obeidallah, Muslim Advocates and other co-plaintiffs, sued the Daily Stormer and its founder, Andrew Anglin, for publishing an article that called Obiedallah a terrorist. The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio ruled for the full award of his lawsuit since Anglin did not contest the case. The ruling also placed a permanent injunction against the defaming article.

The article in question, “Dean Obeidallah, Mastermind Behind Manchester Bombing, Calls on Trump to Declare Whites the Real Terrorists,” falsely stated that Obeidallah “planned and executed the horrific terrorist attack that took place at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, United Kingdom” in 2017. It also said that Obeidallah is member of ISIS and a “confessed terrorist wanted by Europol, MI-5, Interpol and a litany of other international authorities.” Obeidallah originally asked the Daily Stormer to remove the article when it was posted. After two months had passed without any change, the lawsuit was filed.

lawandcrime.com

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:12:51pm

re: #324 MsJ

This was deleted. What did the original tweet say?

He was quoting the FDR speech about FDR bringing socialism, and the tweet highlighed the end of FDR’s speech where he talks about no other candidated being targeted as much as he had been.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2019 • 1:14:17pm

Gonna call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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uriel  Jun 12, 2019 • 4:40:28pm

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

And for some reason, your vid reminded me of this:

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Man, I tried watching that movie once- it was one of the most relentlessly jarring and painfully irritating experiences of my life. I mean, I get that that was the point, but jeez. Never again.


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