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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:20:38am

Later can’t mean never.

Trump gets away with abrogating the rule of law until someone stands up to him. Impeachment might not work out as you hope it will, but it’s still worth doing. No one is above the law.

Trump might not get removed from office, but those in the GOP will be held accountable. This matters.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:22:51am

So…it looks like ABC released the video before Trump could deny that he kicked Mulvaney out of the oval office for coughing during his 30 hour interview.

Rule number 1 when entering a room with Trump: Roll cameras.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:24:18am

We need a stronger word than asshole to describe Trump.

Also, why did he even agree to that interview when it was clear he was just going to whine and bitch about it anyway?

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Teukka  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:26:00am
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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:26:23am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Why did Trump even agree to that interview when it was clear he was just going to whine and bitch about it anyway?

(morning all)

he probably doesnt like or want to do these interviews.
my guess is the polls
they know they have to reach a wider audience than just fox

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:26:37am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Why did Trump even agree to that interview when it was clear he was just going to whine and bitch about it anyway?

Because he forgets that not every station will flatter him like Fox, and he complains about everything.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:28:27am

From downstairs:

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

Disagree in principle because my fear is that Gorsuch only joined this ruling to tee up a rationale for ruling against the US House in their lawsuit over Trump’s emergency border funding power grab. Also remember that the Courts had no problem with standing in US House v Azar. So think individual chambers still need to be able to sue over actions that by totally bypass their authority and ability to act as a check on the executive. Otherwise we end up codifying a situation where one chamber can totally prevent judicial review by refusing to sign off on a lawsuit.

I could certainly see Gorsuch wishing to offer such an argument, but the situations are in no way similar. The original lawsuit was brought by a private citizen against the commonwealth, arguing that the district map had created 12 racially-biased districts. The lower courts ruled that the VA GOP’s excuse that they’d done that due to the VRA requirements was sound and the case was appealed to SCOTUS where they busted it back down on instructions to use narrower guidelines. The lower courts ruled in ‘17 that the districts were racially-biased and the whole map needed to be redrawn, which led to Ralph Northam failing to get an agreement with the VA DNC to accept a “modified” version of the map. Cue last year, when the GOP-majority in the House of Delegates decided to appeal the lower court ruling after AG Herring refused on cost grounds, claiming that they had standing not because of any violation of separation of powers…but because their jobs were at risk if the new map was accepted.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:39:04am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

We need a stronger word than asshole to describe Trump.

Narcissistic. Neurotic. Delusional. Addled. Mentally challenged. Ignorant. Proudly uninformed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:39:57am

re: #4 Teukka

Why is she worried about getting kicked off? The guy who got ban hammered for the anti-nazi book cover?

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:40:28am

re: #7 Targetpractice

From downstairs:

I could certainly see Gorsuch wishing to offer such an argument, but the situations are in no way similar. The original lawsuit was brought by a private citizen against the commonwealth, arguing that the district map had created 12 racially-biased districts. The lower courts ruled that the VA GOP’s excuse that they’d done that due to the VRA requirements was sound and the case was appealed to SCOTUS where they busted it back down on instructions to use narrower guidelines. The lower courts ruled in ‘17 that the districts were racially-biased and the whole map needed to be redrawn, which led to Ralph Northam failing to get an agreement with the VA DNC to accept a “modified” version of the map. Cue last year, when the GOP-majority in the House of Delegates decided to appeal the lower court ruling after AG Herring refused on cost grounds, claiming that they had standing not because of any violation of separation of powers…but because their jobs were at risk if the new map was accepted.

Additionally, Gorsuch has surprised me with several of his rulings.

Kav the perv, OTOH, has been consistently shown as being bought and paid for.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:42:27am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why is she worried about getting kicked off?

Because David Neiwert is still suspended because he wrote a book and it had Nazi images on the cover.

The guy has been writing about Eliminationism for years.

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Teukka  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:43:34am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why is she worried about getting kicked off? The guy who got ban hammered for the anti-nazi book cover?

I suspect so.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:44:29am

re: #8 MsJ

Narcissistic. Neurotic. Delusional. Addled. Mentally challenged. Ignorant. Proudly uninformed.

a wealthy, spoiled, racist, narcissist playing the rubes.
(ok that’s more than ‘a word’)

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:44:31am

re: #1 lawhawk

Later can’t mean never.

Trump gets away with abrogating the rule of law until someone stands up to him. Impeachment might not work out as you hope it will, but it’s still worth doing. No one is above the law.

Trump might not get removed from office, but those in the GOP will be held accountable. This matters.

This is really the core issue at the moment, this idea of pushing it off to a hypothetical “later” when the polls are so deeply in favor that Chuck can somehow secure a solid 67 votes to remove Trump. Why? Because it’s viewed as a major political liability for the party if they move to impeach and he’s “exonerated” by his own party. With the constant refrain that “Clinton benefited from being impeached” when the evidence to support that conclusion is murky at best.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:48:25am

re: #14 Targetpractice

This is really the core issue at the moment, this idea of pushing it off to a hypothetical “later” when the polls are so deeply in favor that Chuck can somehow secure a solid 67 votes to remove Trump. Why? Because it’s viewed as a major political liability for the party if they move to impeach and he’s “exonerated” by his own party. With the constant refrain that “Clinton benefited from being impeached” when the evidence to support that conclusion is murky at best.

this is why lawrence tribe’s proposal works for me
investigate the hell out of it, publicly and loudly
when appropriate, prepare articles for all to see

unless the tide has turned, don’t vote on them
even citing that the senate cannot be relied upon to try the case fairly and objectively (mcconnell already said as much)

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:48:54am

I posted this downstairs but really, y’all need to read this. It’s about corruption in Brazil, Greenwald and the Intercept. Did you know Greenwald’s partner is an elected official…after the guy whose seat he took got a mega payoff?

This thread is long and shockingly amazing.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:49:12am

re: #14 Targetpractice

This is really the core issue at the moment, this idea of pushing it off to a hypothetical “later” when the polls are so deeply in favor that Chuck can somehow secure a solid 67 votes to remove Trump. Why? Because it’s viewed as a major political liability for the party if they move to impeach and he’s “exonerated” by his own party. With the constant refrain that “Clinton benefited from being impeached” when the evidence to support that conclusion is murky at best.

> 80% of Americans support comprehensive gun control. That got us where?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:50:14am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why is she worried about getting kicked off? The guy who got ban hammered for the anti-nazi book cover?

If you get mass-reported by a nazi bot swarm, Twitter’s algorithms make it appear that you are the harasser.

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Chrysicat  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:51:36am
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darthstar  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:51:54am

Checking on my poll…so far, 207 views, 25 votes - so basically 12.5% turnout…like a fuckin’ midterm.

Still, some of the people looking at Trump’s feed have to be Trump supporters, so it’s refreshing that thus far zero of them have voted in his favor.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:52:00am
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William Lewis  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:52:08am

re: #10 MsJ

Gorsuch support for Native peoples has been a complete but pleasant surprise for me.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:55:04am

re: #17 Belafon

> 80% of Americans support comprehensive gun control. That got us where?

A Dem House majority that ran on (among other things) addressing gun violence.

If you’re opposed to impeachment period, then please just say so. Because you’re gonna put your back out moving the goalposts. I’m not gonna listen to “the majority being for impeachment doesn’t mean anything” after weeks of “impeachment is unpopular so we shouldn’t be discussing it.”

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:57:09am

re: #23 Targetpractice

A Dem House majority that ran on (among other things) addressing gun violence.

If you’re opposed to impeachment period, then please just say so. Because you’re gonna put your back out moving the goalposts. I’m not gonna listen to “the majority being for impeachment doesn’t mean anything” after weeks of “impeachment is unpopular so we shouldn’t be discussing it.”

You stated that the polls indicate that Schumer could get 67 votes in the Senate for impeachment. I pointed out that high level support among the public for something has done almost nothing to move Republicans in the Senate.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:58:49am

re: #21 MsJ

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One time when he should be grateful for shitty ratings.

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Lidane  Jun 17, 2019 • 10:59:25am

If this is the best that Cheeto Mussolini can do in a Fox News poll, the real numbers are much, much worse for him:

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:01:16am

re: #24 Belafon

You stated that the polls indicate that Schumer could get 67 votes in the Senate for impeachment. I pointed out that high level support among the public for something has done almost nothing to move Republicans in the Senate.

Well no, my argument was that we’re told impeachment is only an option if the odds are so in our favor (high majority in polls, 67 votes for removal) that it’s a certified win. And so “later” has really translated to “never,” which is a political liability when you’re trying to build a coalition upon more than just the “mushy middle” who just wants to know that the stores will be open on Monday.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:04:09am

Impeachment is important.
Impeachment is critical to preserving the rule of law.

Impeachment is a process that starts in the House and ultimately ends in the Senate with a vote to remove if 2/3 support that outcome. With the Senate in GOP control and McConnell saying he’s already put his thumbs on the scales of justice, we know the Senate is unlikely to ever see a trial/vote on the outcome of what the House does.

That doesn’t mean impeachment can’t or wont serve a purpose.

Begin impeachment and hold hearings that will cast Trumpworld and the GOP in the worst possible light.

Show their complicity and criminal misconduct. Show how the GOP covers for Trump who has lied every step of the way and broken countless federal laws. Show how Mueller couldn’t indict because of DOJ policies. Heck, have Mueller come in to read chapter and verse of his report.

We know that far too many people don’t know what the report said, and that you can shift public opinion by detailing just how corrupt Trumpworld is and how Trump obstructed justice and conspired with those around him to break the law in significant and meaningful ways.

Hold McConnell accountable. Hold the Senate GOP accountable. Make this an anchor around their collective necks.

If the rule of law means anything, then you have to do what is necessary to protect the Constitution and impeach the motherfucker.

If Trump thinks that he is above the law, then he must be disabused of that notion. His actions are those of a conman/grifter who thinks he can do whatever he wants. He’s doing what he’s always done - acted as though he was above the law in NY and in his business dealings.

Highlight all of this. Show how nepotism has undermined the nation’s security. Show how refusing to name people to Defense and DHS undermines our national security. Show how he’s manipulated the government to personally profit from every action, especially when he goes and golfs. Emoluments matter.

All of this matters.

When you don’t impeach, you signal that there’s nothing to do or can be done and that you’re assuming that elections will take care of the problem. That’s part of how we got into this mess in the first place (both parties are the same, Clinton = Trump, both are crooks, so we picked the know nothing outsider, etc.,) all while ignoring that a GOP controlled Senate would enable packing the courts with right wing ideologues and those who lack the character, judgment, or basic qualifications to be on the bench or in any federal agency (except maybe corrections where they should be spending significant time incarcerated).

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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:04:32am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

We need a stronger word than asshole to describe Trump.

Also, why did he even agree to that interview when it was clear he was just going to whine and bitch about it anyway?

I think we need to make the word Trump a pejorative. “Stop being so Trump.” “Dude, you’re being a Trump, knock that shit off.” “Go Trump yourself.”

As for why he did it:

a. he still has terrible political instincts
b. he’s a narcissist
c. he can’t help himself
d. all of the above

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:08:15am

re: #27 Targetpractice

Well no, my argument was that we’re told impeachment is only an option if the odds are so in our favor (high majority in polls, 67 votes for removal) that it’s a certified win. And so “later” has really translated to “never,” which is a political liability when you’re trying to build a coalition upon more than just the “mushy middle” who just wants to know that the stores will be open on Monday.

Then I misead that part.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:08:16am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

If you get mass-reported by a nazi bot swarm, Twitter’s algorithms make it appear that you are the harasser.

Right, but this case is actually worse because Twitter did this intentionally and is standing by it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:08:18am

re: #26 Lidane

If this is the best that Cheeto Mussolini can do in a Fox News poll, the real numbers are much, much worse for him:

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Fox News has its poll conducted by a bipartisan research team, and neither of them is Rasmussen.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:08:53am

Talking to myself, again. I am interested in the response, so bringing this forward:

re: #186 danarchy

As long as their population was counted towards that states congressional representation it would give them exactly as much representation as any other city.

Then the District of Columbia would become part of the state of MD; It is not. I am leaving VA out of this because they already took their land back. The state of MD doesn’t need nor want to take the land back. Nor would the city want to lose autonomy, which it would by force of annexation. You can’t dissociate the representation from the block of land; i.e., you can’t give the representation to MD (both house and senate) and give the city the autonomy that it deserves.

re: #197 Belafon

Would Virgina or Maryland be allowed to vote on the issue of unrepaired streets in the city, or the need to update the sewage system?

DC needs to be autonomous entity, giving it back to MD (VA has already taken its land back) would remove that autonomy. And having MD take on the burden of the issues in DC is nothing that we (MD’ers) would ever agree to.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:12:50am

re: #33 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Talking to myself, again. I am interested in the response, so bringing this forward:

Then the District of Columbia would become part of the state of MD; It is not. I am leaving VA out of this because they already took their land back. The state of MD doesn’t need nor want to take the land back. Nor would the city want to lose autonomy, which it would by force of annexation. You can’t dissociate the representation from the block of land; i.e., you can’t give the representation to MD (both house and senate) and give the city the autonomy that it deserves.

DC needs to be autonomous entity, giving it back to MD (VA has already taken its land back) would remove that autonomy. And having MD take on the burden of the issues in DC is nothing that we (MD’ers) would ever agree to.

We need DC as its own state to help counterbalance the extreme over-representation of whites in the US Senate. In the 19th century, the GOP created a lot of small population states to keep control of the Senate. It split Dakota territory into 2 states, and made Nevada a state when it only had 21k people.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:14:24am

re: #8 MsJ

Narcissistic. …. Proudly uninformed.

The two in my book.

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jeffreyw  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:15:15am
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William Lewis  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:17:07am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

IOW. Jack is saying, “Yes, I am a Nazi and Twitter is for pro-Nazi propaganda.”

Yet another reason i am glad I never got sucked into it.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:18:12am

re: #23 Targetpractice

A Dem House majority that ran on (among other things) addressing gun violence.

If you’re opposed to impeachment period, then please just say so. Because you’re gonna put your back out moving the goalposts. I’m not gonna listen to “the majority being for impeachment doesn’t mean anything” after weeks of “impeachment is unpopular so we shouldn’t be discussing it.”

Besides
Gun control is about legislating
Impeachment is about rule of law and enforcement …at least in this case

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:21:35am
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:21:37am

Carried over from last thread:

re: #198 Belafon

Except the Constitution does give the House authority in the areas you describe.

The Constitution also doesn’t give the House any explicit power of inherent contempt, but the courts have inferred that it exists, stemming from their investigative authority and is deemed necessary to preserve a chamber’s efficacy as part of a coequal branch of government. Same rationale applies here.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:24:31am

re: #28 lawhawk

Impeachment is important.
Impeachment is critical to preserving the rule of law.

Impeachment is a process that starts in the House and ultimately ends in the Senate with a vote to remove if 2/3 support that outcome. With the Senate in GOP control and McConnell saying he’s already put his thumbs on the scales of justice, we know the Senate is unlikely to ever see a trial/vote on the outcome of what the House does.

That doesn’t mean impeachment can’t or wont serve a purpose.

Begin impeachment and hold hearings that will cast Trumpworld and the GOP in the worst possible light.

Show their complicity and criminal misconduct. Show how the GOP covers for Trump who has lied every step of the way and broken countless federal laws. Show how Mueller couldn’t indict because of DOJ policies. Heck, have Mueller come in to read chapter and verse of his report.

We know that far too many people don’t know what the report said, and that you can shift public opinion by detailing just how corrupt Trumpworld is and how Trump obstructed justice and conspired with those around him to break the law in significant and meaningful ways.

Hold McConnell accountable. Hold the Senate GOP accountable. Make this an anchor around their collective necks.

If the rule of law means anything, then you have to do what is necessary to protect the Constitution and impeach the motherfucker.

If Trump thinks that he is above the law, then he must be disabused of that notion. His actions are those of a conman/grifter who thinks he can do whatever he wants. He’s doing what he’s always done - acted as though he was above the law in NY and in his business dealings.

Highlight all of this. Show how nepotism has undermined the nation’s security. Show how refusing to name people to Defense and DHS undermines our national security. Show how he’s manipulated the government to personally profit from every action, especially when he goes and golfs. Emoluments matter.

All of this matters.

When you don’t impeach, you signal that there’s nothing to do or can be done and that you’re assuming that elections will take care of the problem. That’s part of how we got into this mess in the first place (both parties are the same, Clinton = Trump, both are crooks, so we picked the know nothing outsider, etc.,) all while ignoring that a GOP controlled Senate would enable packing the courts with right wing ideologues and those who lack the character, judgment, or basic qualifications to be on the bench or in any federal agency (except maybe corrections where they should be spending significant time incarcerated).

Spot on
We have to also educate the public that “impeachment” is a process with multiple steps

Often people are only talking about the senate vote outcome
Not even the senate trial phase..remember Roberts controls that
Let alone what the . house impeachment articles might actually say..ie what crimes
And how well they’d be documented with evidence

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gocart mozart  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:37:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 11:43:42am
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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:03:48pm

So here is some non-scientific data I noticed.

I love following real estate in several markets, one being southern California. Almost every notification I am seeing lately involves price reductions. Mind you, they are still well over $1mm bucks, but this is a new trend. Some a couple of months ago, now almost daily.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:07:11pm

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:09:02pm

The media still doesn’t get it.

Trump doesn’t have policies. He has only empty platitudes and slogans.

All of that is designed to deflect from uncomfortable facts/logic/reality.

The media and pundits continue to try and find reason to talk about Trump policy as though it actually exists. There’s no health care policy. He doesn’t want to talk about health care policy. He wants to use an empty slogan to deflect from impeachment.

Warren, Harris, and other Democrats have policies re: health care (and everything else).

Trump doesn’t get any deeper than repeal Obamacare and *shrug*. That’s also the position taken by the former wonk known as Paul Ryan (R-fuck you I got mine). The GOP had a decade to come up with health care policy and alternatives to Obamacare, and the only thing the GOP could identify is repeal Obamacare and fuck the rest. They never had any plan beyond sabotaging Obamacare and hiking costs to millions of Americans. None of that has changed. So stop even attempting to claim a policy exists knowing that there isn’t one.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:10:46pm

The Dallas shooter was another white man radicalized by extremist internet communities. I’m reading Neal Stephenson’s new novel “Fall” in which he predicts the US will be split between the reality based blue communities, and the rural heartland no longer capable of rational thought he calls “Ameristan.”
nbcnews.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:13:05pm
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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:13:20pm

I’m honestly not sure how serious this person even is right now.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:15:36pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:17:13pm

re: #49 Citizen K

I’m honestly not sure how serious this person even is right now.

I do think people need to spend way more time on the fact that McConnell and the GOP won’t let things get done.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:19:24pm

re: #39 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Pulitzer prize nominee.

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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:21:00pm

re: #51 Belafon

I do think people need to spend way more time on the fact that McConnell and the GOP won’t let things get done.

That’s a totally valid point that needs to be addressed, but at the same time seems to be different than what this person seems to be getting at, which seems to be ‘So other than highlighting McConnell’s cancerous effect on the body politic, what reasons should we be voting against him, why can’t you make that case?’. Which is almost to the point of ‘if that isn’t the case itself, we have a problem.’

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:23:52pm

womp womp

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:25:04pm

re: #46 lawhawk

The media still doesn’t get it.

Trump doesn’t have policies. He has only empty platitudes and slogans.

All of that is designed to deflect from uncomfortable facts/logic/reality.

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The media and pundits continue to try and find reason to talk about Trump policy as though it actually exists. There’s no health care policy. He doesn’t want to talk about health care policy. He wants to use an empty slogan to deflect from impeachment.

Warren, Harris, and other Democrats have policies re: health care (and everything else).

Trump doesn’t get any deeper than repeal Obamacare and *shrug*. That’s also the position taken by the former wonk known as Paul Ryan (R-fuck you I got mine). The GOP had a decade to come up with health care policy and alternatives to Obamacare, and the only thing the GOP could identify is repeal Obamacare and fuck the rest. They never had any plan beyond sabotaging Obamacare and hiking costs to millions of Americans. None of that has changed. So stop even attempting to claim a policy exists knowing that there isn’t one.

a comment i read elsewhere:

Trump can survive being ignorant, outrageous, dishonest, racist, sexist, xenophobic and just plain dickish. He CANNOT survive being boring, and this schtick of his has got to be wearing thin with all but the true believers.

he is not a normal president
he is not ‘presidenting’.

ANYTHING he does is about image / ‘ratings’ and attention. (and lining his pockets).
nothing more.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:25:24pm

So, I’m checking twitter, and saw a tweet flash past - a gofundme for the family of Simon Maloy. He passed away from colon cancer? Seriously? WTF.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:27:21pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

“How to Make a Problem Much Worse” by Donald Trump.

(It’s a deliberate strategy.)

and when campaign season heats up it’s gonna backfire.

“only he can fix it and he didnt fix anything

“immigration, border crossings / protection, detentions, etc have all gotten worse since he became president

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:27:43pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

womp womp

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I’m not sure why, but apparently some far right loons led the charge to get his acceptance to Harvard rescinded.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:28:07pm

re: #53 Citizen K

That’s a totally valid point that needs to be addressed, but at the same time seems to be different than what this person seems to be getting at, which seems to be ‘So other than highlighting McConnell’s cancerous effect on the body politic, what reasons should we be voting against him, why can’t you make that case?’. Which is almost to the point of ‘if that isn’t the case itself, we have a problem.’

It’s definitely one more thing added to my list of reasons not to support Biden in the primaries.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:28:54pm

re: #41 DangerMan

Spot on
We have to also educate the public that “impeachment” is a process with multiple steps

Often people are only talking about the senate vote outcome
Not even the senate trial phase..remember Roberts controls that
Let alone what the . house impeachment articles might actually say..ie what crimes
And how well they’d be documented with evidence

That’s sort of the problem as demonstrated in John Oliver’s video, Nancy’s out there arguing that those of us who are pushing for impeachment are the ignorant ones. That we think impeachment means he’s gone for good, instead of being the start of the process to do just that. If she’s got a plan, it’s not to make a case for impeachment, else we’d be seeing that effort to educate the public about the process.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:29:51pm

re: #49 Citizen K

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I’m honestly not sure how serious this person even is right now.

people of kentucky should be wondering what mitch stands for and what all his antics in the senate have done for them

it’s virtually nothing.

mitch is about his personal power. nothing for the people of his state

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:29:52pm

re: #58 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m not sure why, but apparently some far right loons led the charge to get his acceptance to Harvard rescinded.

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So it was fratricide?

BRB, making popcorn.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:30:14pm

re: #56 lawhawk

So, I’m checking twitter, and saw a tweet flash past - a gofundme for the family of Simon Maloy. He passed away from colon cancer? Seriously? WTF.

After googling, it was colon cancer. That sucks.

Edit: And I can’t read.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:31:56pm
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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:33:09pm

And just saw that Dave Mustaine of Megadeth was diagnosed with throat cancer.

Fuck…. not a good day here.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:34:14pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:34:42pm

Trump reminds me of Al Pacino playing the role of “Big Boy Caprice” in that dog of a movie “Dick Tracy”.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:35:27pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

womp womp

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Having something horrible happen to you does not automatically absolve you from abhorrent behavior. Sorry, pal.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:36:08pm

re: #56 lawhawk

So, I’m checking twitter, and saw a tweet flash past - a gofundme for the family of Simon Maloy. He passed away from colon cancer? Seriously? WTF.

Yeah. Last week. :(

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:36:57pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:38:26pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:39:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:39:36pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

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So you’re already up to your neck in shit from lawsuits after years of stupid decision, you decide to double down by accusing the other side’s lawyers of making false claims and making threats towards them.

Perhaps his lawyers decided that if he gets involuntarily committed, he won’t have to pay anything to the families.

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Jay C  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:39:42pm

re: #61 DangerMan

people of kentucky should be wondering what mitch stands for and what all his antics in the senate have done for them

it’s virtually nothing.

mitch is about his personal power. nothing for the people of his state

Didn’t Sen. McTurtle take credit for getting that Russian aluminum plant (or whatever) located in KY?

(After, ISTR, voting to ease sanctions on the oligarch-in-charge? Or was that another issue?)

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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:39:53pm

re: #61 DangerMan

people of kentucky should be wondering what mitch stands for and what all his antics in the senate have done for them

it’s virtually nothing.

mitch is about his personal power. nothing for the people of his state

Relevancy:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:42:17pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

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To be fair — and I really don’t like being fair to Alex Jones — the article does say that the child porn was in email sent TO Alex Jones, not by him.

“The FBI advised counsel that its review located numerous additional illegal images, which had apparently been sent to InfoWars email addresses,” they stated.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:43:34pm

re: #70 NO SMOCKING GUN!

According to the article:

“The FBI advised counsel that its review located numerous additional illegal images, which had apparently been sent to InfoWars email addresses,” they stated.

Discovery meant turning over emails/documents on Jones’ servers. If someone sent child porn to Jones, that means that the discovery would have turned those up as well.

Jones may be in legal jeopardy here, but so too are all those who sent him those illegal images/files.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:46:21pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

To be fair — and I really don’t like being fair to Alex Jones — the article does say that the child porn was in email sent TO Alex Jones, not by him.

I don’t think that is a 100% true depiction of what is in that article. But truth be told, the article does not match what the tweet said. And there is, per Jones usual schtick, a lot of crazy in it.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:51:34pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Pulitzer prize nominee.

Not a nominee. It’s the winner, easily.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:54:41pm

Jones turned over his servers to the lawyers for Sandy Hook families, apparently with all files stored on them. I’ve been sent all kinds of weird shit over the years, and I have spam filters that send most garbage email to a “Spam” folder, so I never even see it.

My point is, Jones is a bad guy, we all know that, but that article is kind of click-baity. It only mentions that the porn is in email sent to Infowars addresses at the very end, and much of it before that seems deliberately written to infer that Jones knew about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more info comes out to show he did know about it, but until it does I’m giving this article the side eye.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:56:36pm

re: #79 Ace Rothstein

Not a nominee. It’s the winner, easily.

There was a great photo of terrified kids holding each other after a recent school shooting that is a worthy contender.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:57:45pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:58:09pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Jones turned over his servers to the lawyers for Sandy Hook families, apparently with all files stored on them. I’ve been sent all kinds of weird shit over the years, and I have spam filters that send most garbage email to a “Spam” folder, so I never even see it.

My point is, Jones is a bad guy, we all know that, but that article is kind of click-baity. It only mentions that the porn is in email sent to Infowars addresses at the very end, and much of it before that seems deliberately written to infer that Jones knew about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more info comes out to show he did know about it, but until it does I’m giving this article the side eye.

Oh well. It wouldn’t have surprised me if Jones was into child porn.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:58:20pm

Toronto I believe

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 12:59:19pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Toronto I believe

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I believe this may be a sportsball related event

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:00:07pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:01:39pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988
This was just filed

PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR REVIEW OF BROADCAST BY ALEX JONES THREATENING PLAINTIFFS’ COUNSEL

On June 14, 2019 (this past Friday), defendant Alex Jones broadcast two segments of The Alex Jones Show identifying Attorney Chris Mattei by name and showing a picture of him, falsely claiming that Attorney Mattei tried to frame Jones by planting child pornography in
discovery materials produced by Jones, distorting what actually occurred in the discovery process in this case, and threatening Attorney Mattei and the Koskoff firm. This Court has an obligation to protect the attorneys, parties, and the judicial process.

Here, threats against counsel have been made on air to a very large audience. The plaintiffs therefore request that the Court review the video in advance of tomorrow’s hearing. Plaintiffs intend to move to seek specific relief on an expedited basis, but this is an issue that the Court should be fully aware of at the earliest possible moment. We estimate review of these segments of the show will take approximately thirty minutes. The video can be found at this link:
infowars.com.

The segment discussing the case begins at 2:12. At approximately 2:19 is the first mention of the child pornography issue. At 2:30, the discussion intensifies and shortly afterward Jones names Attorney Mattei. This all takes place with defense counsel present. I. Background Concerning Metadata Production and Discovery of Child Pornography
These segments concern the fact that the Jones Defendants produced numerous images of illegal child pornography to the plaintiffs in their metadata production.1As the Court will recall, the Jones Defendants failed to produce email metadata, a necessary part of these documents, in their original production. The plaintiffs requested that the Jones Defendants be ordered to do so. In the April 30 hearing, counsel for the Jones Defendants agreed to make that production. The Jones Defendants produced metadata on May 21. They produced a massive volume of documents, indicating that many were non-responsive, but they said that they did not have time to cull the non-responsive documents.

The plaintiffs’ Electronically Stored Information (ESI) consultants began loading files into a document review database in an effort to make them reviewable by counsel as quickly as possible. During that process, the consultants identified an image that appeared to be child
pornography. They immediately contacted counsel, who immediately contacted the FBI. The FBI directed counsel to give control of the entire document production to the FBI, which was done. The FBI advised counsel that its review located numerous additional illegal images, which had apparently been sent to Infowars email addresses. When the FBI indicated it had completed its review, plaintiffs’ counsel advised Attorney Pattis of the matter and arranged a joint telephone
call with the United States Attorney’s Office.

It is worth noting that if the Jones Defendants had engaged in even minimal due diligence and actually reviewed the materials before production, they would have found the images themselves. Because the Jones Defendants did not do that, they transmitted images to the
plaintiffs that if they were knowingly possessed is a serious federal crime. The Jones Defendants put plaintiffs’ counsel and ESI consultants in the appalling position of discovering the first
image. Plaintiffs’ ESI consultants then acted exactly as they were compelled to under federal law once they discovered the contraband images; so did plaintiffs’ counsel. But this appears not to
have been good enough for Jones.

II. Content of Video/Tuesday Hearing Rather than summarize the content of the video, we simply ask the Court to watch it.
Here is one example of the video’s content. At 2:34:08, Jones shouts:
You think when you call up, “Oh we’ll protect you. We found the child porn.”2 I like women with big giant tits and big asses. I don’t like kids like you goddamn rapists. Eff-heads. In fact, delete this: You fucks are going to get it. You fucking child molesters. I’ll fucking get you in the end. You fucks. No, we’re done right there. You know what, I should have deleted it on radio. Probably still went out. I don’t care. You’re trying to set me up with child porn, I’ll get your ass. One million dollars, you little gang members. One million dollars to put your head on a pike. One million dollars, bitch.3 I’m going to get your ass, you understand me now? You’re not going to ever defeat Texas, you sacks of shit, so you get ready for that.

At 2:37:20, Jones names Attorney Mattei, pounds on a picture of his face, and threatens him: And then now magically they want metadata out of hundreds of thousands of emails they got, and they know just where to go. What a nice group of Democrats. How surprising. What nice people. Chris Mattei. Chris Mattei. Let’s zoom in on Chris Mattei. Oh, nice little—[pounds picture of Attorney Mattei’s face with fist]—Chris Mattei. What a good American. What a good boy. You think you’ll put on me, what—[under his breath] I’m gonna kill … [growls]. Anyway, I’m done! Total war! You want it, you got it! I’m not into kids like your Democratic party, you cocksuckers! So get ready!

At the Tuesday hearing, the plaintiffs will request an expedited briefing schedule concerning what orders must issue in connection with Mr. Jones’ on-air statements and Attorney Pattis’ participation in this broadcast. In addition, the plaintiffs may seek interim relief, to span
the time during which the briefs are being filed.

2 This statement apparently refers to (and distorts) the call that Attorney Mattei made to Attorney Pattis to inform Attorney Pattis that child pornography had been discovered in the Jones Defendants’ production.
3 At various points throughout the segment, Jones refers to Attorney Mattei as “bitch.” He also refers to Attorney Mattei as “pimp,” “white-shoe boy,” and “white-shoe boy jerkoff.” civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:03:56pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

womp womp

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He wasn’t singled out.

Harvard has a Facebook group for incoming freshmen to meet each other before getting there, so they won’t be among strangers on Day 1. A bunch of people on that group had a racist/misogynist meme contest to identify those who’d be eligible to join a smaller incoming freshmen shitposter group…

Ten of them had their admissions rescinded. He’s the only one who had enough Twitter followers to make a public issue out of it.

Harvard also did the same thing last year; it was covered extensively in the school paper. EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT IT, and they chose to post such stuff anyway.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:05:15pm

re: #39 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Judging by his FB page, the late Captain Batshit here was an ancient weapons enthusiast. A Roman gladius (short sword) was prominently featured. He was reportedly carrying it along with his modern tacticool props during the incident this morning.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:05:32pm

Jones could still get into serious trouble for putting a hit contract out on plaintiff attorneys.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:05:47pm

Um…

Reminds me of when Matt Drudge said “I do not love sex with men.”

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:07:08pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

That’s not a no.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:07:11pm
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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:07:54pm

re: #75 Citizen K

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:08:32pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

“I don’t like having sex with children” is beyond weird, to me at least.

It’s like saying, well sure, I tried it, but I don’t like it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:08:34pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Jones turned over his servers to the lawyers for Sandy Hook families, apparently with all files stored on them. I’ve been sent all kinds of weird shit over the years, and I have spam filters that send most garbage email to a “Spam” folder, so I never even see it.

My point is, Jones is a bad guy, we all know that, but that article is kind of click-baity. It only mentions that the porn is in email sent to Infowars addresses at the very end, and much of it before that seems deliberately written to infer that Jones knew about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more info comes out to show he did know about it, but until it does I’m giving this article the side eye.

The article certainly seems to be working to portray him as the source of the photos, but what’s likely to get him on the judge’s shitlist is responding to such not by leaving it to his lawyers or issuing a standard “We’ll wait for the results of the investigation,” but instead going on his show to issue threats of retaliation. His lawyers might be able to argue to the judge that those words were uttered in a fit of pique over a misunderstanding, but I doubt that’s going to save his ass.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:10:11pm

The Toronto thing seems to have passed. Read @Devin_Heroux tweets. He is the CBC dude who covers sports.

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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:10:50pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

I literally would never have sex with children. I don’t like having sex with children. I would never have sex with children, I am not a Democrat, I am not a liberal.

How do you know you don’t like having sex with children? Isn’t the only way to know you don’t like having sex with children is if you’ve experienced it?

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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:11:01pm

re: #94 KGxvi

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

It just is, alright? Don’t you get it? Anything that makes it harder for the god given true rulers stewards of this nation to rule govern as they see fit is socialisms.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:11:31pm
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sagehen  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:11:58pm

re: #94 KGxvi

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

Everything a conservative dislikes or opposes is socialism.
Everything a liberal dislikes or opposes is fascism.

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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:13:53pm

re: #101 sagehen

Everything a conservative dislikes or opposes is socialism.
Everything a liberal dislikes or opposes is fascism.

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I know it’s mostly a joke, but at the same time, it feels very real… and a good reason to say “fuck it all” and try and buy an island in a semi-tropic locale.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:15:06pm

re: #94 KGxvi

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

They are majority non-white./

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:16:07pm

re: #100 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:16:50pm

re: #102 KGxvi

I know it’s mostly a joke, but at the same time, it feels very real… and a good reason to say “fuck it all” and try and buy an island in a semi-tropic locale.

Make sure it’s really tall.

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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:18:46pm

It’s easy to say that Bush, his Administration, and the GOP at the time didn’t believe a whit of this shit, and you’d be right to say that. But they at the very least paid lip service to that kind of shit. Today’s GOP doesn’t even care about keeping up appearances. They can take the mask off, put on the white hood openly, and flaunt their disdain and hate for the brown folks and immigrants in general, and get away with it because of how debased the entire discourse is, helped along by hyper-credulous media giving the GOP every benefit of the doubt ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:19:20pm

jeebus

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:20:18pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

“One size doesn’t fit all” - Are we talking about Charter schools?

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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:21:25pm

re: #103 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They are majority non-white./

The funny thing is, there’s really no way of telling how Puerto Rico politics would break once the statehood question is answered. The three major political parties in Puerto Rico are all based on the statehood/commonwealth/independence issue. Only about 129k people voted in the 2016 presidential primaries, while the general election had nearly 1.6m people voting.

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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:24:39pm

re: #106 Citizen K

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It’s easy to say that Bush, his Administration, and the GOP at the time didn’t believe a whit of this shit, and you’d be right to say that. But they at the very least paid lip service to that kind of shit. Today’s GOP doesn’t even care about keeping up appearances. They can take the mask off, put on the white hood openly, and flaunt their disdain and hate for the brown folks and immigrants in general, and get away with it because of how debased the entire discourse is, helped along by hyper-credulous media giving the GOP every benefit of the doubt ever.

I think Bush believed it. It’s why he supported immigration reform. And I think there was, at the time, a critical mass of Republicans who believed it as well. But in the subsequent two decades, many were chased out of the party or left of their own volition.

I was much more likely to vote for Republicans back then; today, there’s just no way I could justify it.

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Citizen K  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:25:43pm

re: #104 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:25:47pm

Republicans pretty much lost me from the Iraq war forward.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:28:42pm

Background
Grieving family wants answers in officer-involved shooting death in South Bend

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:29:50pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:30:31pm

re: #104 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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I can remember how Ben was every bit as outraged when colleges turned down David Hogg.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:33:12pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So they want more immigrants coming to the US.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:34:09pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

If they could afford to stem the flow of migrants, they’d have done it long ago. The point of giving them aid is to help them to do so. Idiots.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:35:10pm

re: #94 KGxvi

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

Everything Conservatives don’t like is socialism. They are so dumb that it hurts.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:38:39pm

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans pretty much lost me from the Iraq war forward.

Republicans lost me with the fraudulent Reaganomics.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:39:15pm

re: #116 Belafon

So they want more immigrants coming to the US.

Yep, then they’ll go crazy about the invasion of caravans again.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:39:49pm

Amazing shot by Dallas Morning News photog of the White male totally not a terrorist shot dead at the Fed Courthouse today

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Jay C  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:44:22pm

re: #110 KGxvi

I think Bush believed it. It’s why he supported immigration reform. And I think there was, at the time, a critical mass of Republicans who believed it as well. But in the subsequent two decades, many were chased out of the party or left of their own volition.

I was much more likely to vote for Republicans back then; today, there’s just no way I could justify it.

I disagree, I don’t think Bush’s “immigration reform” initiative really was planned to go anywhere: it always seemed to me to be pretty much designed to run right up against both sides’ maximalist objections (shorthanded as “amnesty” vs. “enforcement-only”) in order to maintain the status quo: i.e. keeping a certain mass of cheap, exploitable labor in the country, while maintaining a level of enforcement just enough to keep civil-libertarians quiet, and allowing politicians to inveigh against “illegals” while keeping their donor class happy enough to not complain about their actually doing anything about it.

Of course, that was America pre-Great Recession, pre-Trump: so irrelevant history now…..

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:45:04pm
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plansbandc  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:45:05pm

re: #120 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of course they do. And they want to build up more outrage until enough Americans agree that it’s an invasion. Then they will be able to herd them into their private prisons with near zero blow back. Soon all those jobs formerly filled by “illegals” will be filled by slave labor. Hell, they’re going to have to build even more prisons. It’s Randian Republican Utopia!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:46:53pm

Barefoot Grin - if you’re here, your LGF subscription has been renewed thanks to a contribution from another member, so you should be all ad-free again for another year.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:47:50pm

re: #121 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Amazing shot by Dallas Morning News photog of the White male totally not a terrorist shot dead at the Fed Courthouse today

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Exclusive: Gunman opens fire at downtown Dallas federal courthouse

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:50:37pm

So, what brand of cough drops are the White House staff recommending to each other?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:50:47pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Barefoot Grin - if you’re here, your LGF subscription has been renewed thanks to a contribution from another member, so you should be all ad-free again for another year.

Thank you kind lizard! This has been a sanity oasis.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:51:35pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Only 22 and just dropped dead? Seems a bit unusual. I mean I know it happens sometimes, but…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:53:59pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I am struck by the fact that those US Marshals are providing first aid to the gunman so quickly.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:54:38pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:56:32pm

re: #122 Jay C

I disagree, I don’t think Bush’s “immigration reform” initiative really was planned to go anywhere: it always seemed to me to be pretty much designed to run right up against both sides’ maximalist objections (shorthanded as “amnesty” vs. “enforcement-only”) in order to maintain the status quo: i.e. keeping a certain mass of cheap, exploitable labor in the country, while maintaining a level of enforcement just enough to keep civil-libertarians quiet, and allowing politicians to inveigh against “illegals” while keeping their donor class happy enough to not complain about their actually doing anything about it.

Of course, that was America pre-Great Recession, pre-Trump: so irrelevant history now…..

As much as I didn’t care for Bush (and he was my governor before he became president), he did understand the issue of relations with Latinos and how the GOP needed to embrace them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:57:02pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Only 22 and just dropped dead? Seems a bit unusual. I mean I know it happens sometimes, but…

Especially after he’s been shot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:57:46pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Especially after he’s been shot.

Whoops. Missed that part. Yeah, okay. Makes sense now. lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:59:00pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 1:59:34pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I am struck by the fact that those US Marshals are providing first aid to the gunman so quickly.

It’s not like he tried to take a doll from the Dollar Store.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:00:28pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Nazi symbols on his facebook page and he considered himself an incel: heavy.com

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:01:07pm

re: #127 jaunte

So, what brand of cough drops are the White House staff recommending to each other?

Bourbon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:01:49pm

re: #131 Dave In Austin

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This method is even better

How To Peel a Head of Garlic in Less Than 10 Seconds

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rhuarc  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:03:06pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Only 22 and just dropped dead? Seems a bit unusual. I mean I know it happens sometimes, but…

Looks like he popped a cap into his own head. And then proceeded to piss himself. Show that to all these incel wanna-be patriots. That’s their fate if they keep this terrorism shit up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:03:16pm

re: #137 Belafon

Nazi symbols on his facebook page and he considered himself an incel: heavy.com

He decided to seek help in committing suicide at a Federal Courthouse. There is rarely little question in the leanings of his type.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:04:09pm

re: #141 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He decided to seek help in committing suicide at a Federal Courthouse. There is rarely little question in the leanings of his type.

He was white and did not survive, but that was not the police’s fault…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:05:07pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

This method is even better

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Video

It’s the one I use. I’ll try the other to avoid another bowl to clean.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:07:04pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:07:15pm

it’s a little bit disturbing that he’s a couple of years younger than my oldest. Shooters are crossing into the age of my children.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:07:56pm

re: #143 Dave In Austin

It’s the one I use. I’ll try the other to avoid another bowl to clean.

I prefer cleaning another bowl to having garlic fingers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:08:24pm

re: #145 Belafon

it’s a little bit disturbing that he’s a couple of years younger than my oldest. Shooters are crossing into the age of my children.

egad, my oldest daughter turns 21 this year…

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:08:29pm

re: #94 KGxvi

How is granting statehood to two territories any kind of socialism?

socialism = evil
qed

it’s the only word they know

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:10:13pm

This is disturbing.

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Archangelus  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:11:29pm

re: #36 jeffreyw

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Lunch

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:13:41pm

The Guardian editors go all in:

The Guardian view on a Brexit election: the unicorns are back

The frontrunner in the race to be the next prime minister is trading in Trumpian fantasy and his peers are following his lead. When their words catch up with them, the nation will pay.

The UK is already paying, but the downside will accelerate as the Tories play to the whims of atavists.

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DangerMan  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:15:23pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

This method is even better

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Video

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:17:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:22:05pm

re: #151 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Guardian editors go all in:

The Guardian view on a Brexit election: the unicorns are back

The UK is already paying, but the downside will accelerate as the Tories play to the whims of atavists.

and this is happening already:

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:26:02pm

One of those idiot engineers that make me skeptical of a lot of American’s understing how things work, including the government (and impeachment) made the following statement: “I hear people complaining about global warming but I don’t see them giving up their cars.” Beyond the problems with getting around the US without one, I’m just wondering he would know if someone had given it up? Would he expect to see them driving down the road floating in the air as if the car should have been there?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:27:58pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

I check many “news” outlets in the UK, check the science outlets, look for UK TV shows, etc.

As an outsider, it strikes me that the UK society’s dynamics has really drifted from its political structure.

And I am quite disappointed in the academia/intelligentsia, as they strike me over and over as belly gazing and caught up in rigid paradigms.

I first started to get agitated with “climategate” and how poorly the UK institutions handled public relations and the overall inability of academics to suss out the real issue (which had nothing to do with climatology and everything to do with politics.)

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:28:33pm
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William Lewis  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:29:05pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I am struck by the fact that those US Marshals are providing first aid to the gunman so quickly.

IME the Marshal Service is the finest group of LEA out there.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:33:36pm

re: #158 William Lewis

IME the Marshal Service is the finest group of LEA out there.

The marshals are agents of the courts, though, so “law enforcement”, while generally descriptive, sort of misses the key element, that marshals are the enforcers for judges.

The federal US Marshals are part of the Dept. of Justice, so they are technically part of the executive branch, though they serve the US Courts.

These days, it’s unfortunate that they are under the rogue AG…

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steve_davis  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:39:30pm

re: #2 darthstar

So…it looks like ABC released the video before Trump could deny that he kicked Mulvaney out of the oval office for coughing during his 30 hour interview.

Rule number 1 when entering a room with Trump: Roll cameras.

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mulvaney should have said, “I’m sorry sir. That wasn’t a cough of sickness. I was just saying, ‘(cough, cough) bullshit (cough, cough)’.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:40:19pm

Two and a half years does not a successful enlistment make.
Also, it takes a certain kind of fucked up grunt to leave the service as a PFC.

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Marsupial  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:43:28pm

re: #161 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Even worse: ONE-and-a-half years!

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:43:51pm

re: #161 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Two and a half years does not a successful enlistment make.
Also, it takes a certain kind of fucked up grunt to leave the service as a PFC.

I think that’s 1.5 years.

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steve_davis  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:44:16pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

This is really the core issue at the moment, this idea of pushing it off to a hypothetical “later” when the polls are so deeply in favor that Chuck can somehow secure a solid 67 votes to remove Trump. Why? Because it’s viewed as a major political liability for the party if they move to impeach and he’s “exonerated” by his own party. With the constant refrain that “Clinton benefited from being impeached” when the evidence to support that conclusion is murky at best.

clinton had an economy that was in full boner during the impeachment attempt.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:44:43pm

Somehow I missed the news of this death:

Murray Gell-Mann (1929-2019)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:46:46pm
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steve_davis  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:47:32pm

re: #28 lawhawk

Impeachment is important.
Impeachment is critical to preserving the rule of law.

Impeachment is a process that starts in the House and ultimately ends in the Senate with a vote to remove if 2/3 support that outcome. With the Senate in GOP control and McConnell saying he’s already put his thumbs on the scales of justice, we know the Senate is unlikely to ever see a trial/vote on the outcome of what the House does.

That doesn’t mean impeachment can’t or wont serve a purpose.

Begin impeachment and hold hearings that will cast Trumpworld and the GOP in the worst possible light.

Show their complicity and criminal misconduct. Show how the GOP covers for Trump who has lied every step of the way and broken countless federal laws. Show how Mueller couldn’t indict because of DOJ policies. Heck, have Mueller come in to read chapter and verse of his report.

We know that far too many people don’t know what the report said, and that you can shift public opinion by detailing just how corrupt Trumpworld is and how Trump obstructed justice and conspired with those around him to break the law in significant and meaningful ways.

Hold McConnell accountable. Hold the Senate GOP accountable. Make this an anchor around their collective necks.

If the rule of law means anything, then you have to do what is necessary to protect the Constitution and impeach the motherfucker.

If Trump thinks that he is above the law, then he must be disabused of that notion. His actions are those of a conman/grifter who thinks he can do whatever he wants. He’s doing what he’s always done - acted as though he was above the law in NY and in his business dealings.

Highlight all of this. Show how nepotism has undermined the nation’s security. Show how refusing to name people to Defense and DHS undermines our national security. Show how he’s manipulated the government to personally profit from every action, especially when he goes and golfs. Emoluments matter.

All of this matters.

When you don’t impeach, you signal that there’s nothing to do or can be done and that you’re assuming that elections will take care of the problem. That’s part of how we got into this mess in the first place (both parties are the same, Clinton = Trump, both are crooks, so we picked the know nothing outsider, etc.,) all while ignoring that a GOP controlled Senate would enable packing the courts with right wing ideologues and those who lack the character, judgment, or basic qualifications to be on the bench or in any federal agency (except maybe corrections where they should be spending significant time incarcerated).

mitch mcconnell doesn’t have any say about whether or not there is a trial in the senate. If the House votes to impeach, there will be a trial in the senate, whether he likes it or not.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:52:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:52:10pm

re: #162 Marsupial

Even worse: ONE-and-a-half years!

re: #163 Belafon

I think that’s 1.5 years.

Yeah, I screwed that up. Damn

Leaving the service at one and a half years, and retaining PFC rank generally means a “medical” Chapter. Could be physical, or mental.

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danarchy  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:53:42pm

re: #163 Belafon

I think that’s 1.5 years.

Looks like the army has a program that matches that time frame:

The Short Answer: Two Years With a Catch
Two years is the shortest amount of time a new enlistee can sign up for active duty, however, there is a catch. You actually have an eight-year commitment but you can perform this commitment as an active duty member, a Reservist, or Individual Ready Reservist (IRR).

This is a program but limited in scope compared to the majority of enlistments into the military:
The National Call to Service - All of the services also participate in the Congressional - mandated National Call to Service Program. Under this program, following basic training and an advanced training school, a member spends 15 months on active duty (full time), followed by a minimum of 2 years in the active (drilling) Guard or Reserves, with the remainder of the total eight-year commitment in the IRR.

However, all the services (except the Army) strictly limit the number of folks who can enlist under this program each year.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:55:22pm

FFS!
“Beatings will continue until morale improves.”

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gocart mozart  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:56:06pm
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KGxvi  Jun 17, 2019 • 2:56:17pm

re: #164 steve_davis

clinton had an economy that was in full boner during the impeachment attempt.

The society was also in a very different place when it came to that sort of extramarital affair; not to mention women in the workforce generally. The president skeezing on an intern (regardless of consent) today wouldn’t go over well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:04:13pm

re: #170 danarchy

Looks like the army has a program that matches that time frame:

All initial Army contracts are 8 years, been that way since around the late 80s. Was 6 years prior to that.

During the 80s it wan’t uncommon to get a few IRR recalls doing several weeks of service. Was mostly volunteers. Meant to exercise the recall system. They were generally more trouble than they were worth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:07:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:09:22pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:09:58pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:15:22pm

Night and day with the winters in the Rocky Mountains.

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plansbandc  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:23:42pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:31:34pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:34:36pm

re: #180 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They’re in a competition with the emus.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:37:36pm

If Kyle Kashuv’s middle name is not Keith, he needs to change it stat. It would be very on brand.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:48:52pm
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Teddy's Person  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:49:23pm
… It turns out our pet pooches have evolved human-like eyebrow muscles, which let them make the sad faces that melt our hearts, according to a new study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). …

The researchers found two muscles around the eye were routinely present and well formed in the domestic dogs, but not the wolves, and only dogs produced high-intensity eyebrow movements as they gazed at the human.

“It makes the eye look larger, which is similar to human infants,” Professor Anne Burrows of Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, who was one of the co-authors, told AFP. “It triggers a nurturing response in people.”

Since the muscles were robust in the dogs but not wolves, “that tells us that that muscle and its function are selected,” she added. …

It builds on past work, including a notable 2015 paper by a group of researchers in Japan that demonstrated that gaze exchange between humans and their pet dogs led to a mutual spike in the so-called love hormone oxytocin, similar to an effect seen between human mothers and their babies. …

Source: Raw Story

Study Exhibit #1 (aka Teddy)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:53:23pm

I’m thinking I really have to put this behind the ‘clicky’
lol

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:53:32pm

re: #174 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

All initial Army contracts are 8 years, been that way since around the late 80s. Was 6 years prior to that.

During the 80s it wan’t uncommon to get a few IRR recalls doing several weeks of service. Was mostly volunteers. Meant to exercise the recall system. They were generally more trouble than they were worth.

My enlistment in the Navy in the 90s was an eight year enlistment, where the first part was active and the rest in the inactive reserves. Since my enlistment committment was six years, I only had two years where I needed to worry about getting called back rather than the four others would have to wait.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:55:51pm

Canned Ass gets own3d by a teenager.

Canned Ass is the Tomi Lahren of Dinesh D’Souzas.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 3:57:53pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:00:07pm
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Teddy's Person  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:01:05pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

Canned Ass gets own3d by a teenager.

Canned Ass is the Tomi Lahren of Dinesh D’Souzas.

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During both the Maryland (1862) and Gettysburg (1863) campaigns, Lee’s officers kidnapped free blacks and sold them into slavery. ‘

Source

Hell of an “ally” there Candice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:06:12pm

CANNED ASS: All the Confederates & Slave Owners were Democrats!

ALSO CANNED ASS: Statues to Slave Owners Don’t Hurt Black Folks!

ALSO CANNED ASS: Malcolm X was a Republican!!!!

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gocart mozart  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:15:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:16:32pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:16:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:18:01pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:18:10pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

Canned Ass gets own3d by a teenager.

Canned Ass is the Tomi Lahren of Dinesh D’Souzas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:19:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:20:27pm
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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:20:38pm

re: #196 Belafon

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Read that again. This kid is team Candace all the way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:21:40pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:23:06pm

re: #196 Belafon

CJ thinks the 1860’s Democrats were “white Liberals” because Dipshit D’Stupid & Canned Ass told him.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:23:10pm

re: #199 MsJ

Read that again. This kid is team Candace all the way.

I got distracted. I meant to comment that we’ve got people with reading comprehension problems supporting Candace.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:26:52pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:29:46pm

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh yes, another young white guy whose life has been “destroyed” because…oh, right, people are holding him responsible for his actions.

“Party of Personal Responsibility,” my lily-white ass.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:32:21pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Oh yes, another young white guy whose life has been “destroyed” because…oh, right, people are holding him responsible for his actions.

“Party of Personal Responsibility,” my lily-white ass.

There’s still Florida State.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:32:36pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:35:15pm

re: #179 plansbandc

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Video

Thanks for making me go to YouTube and scroll around for a while. Here:

Ray Davies ~ No One Listens

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Teddy's Person  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:36:12pm

A good thread on assholes like Kavanaugh pulling it out of their asses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:42:31pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:45:30pm

Democrats will need to do some teaching about impeachment:

32% correctly identified impeachment as an indictment by the House, causing a trial in the Senate.
5% said it means the House censures an official
13% said the official is censured and removed from office
7% said criminal proceedings against a person start once they are impeached
28% didn’t know
6% said none of them apply.

54% of people said they either generally knew or thoroughly understood the concept.

businessinsider.com

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mmmirele  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:47:58pm

I got through the first day of my new job as a Cat Herder in Training at the evil too big to fail bank. Not much happened since I don’t have access to some of the major tools used by this group. But I did shadow a channel manager (that’s really what I’m now going to be doing) today on a low level call. Not that I haven’t done that before in my previous position, but I’m paying more attention to the nuts and bolts of it all.

This, by the way, is one of the greatest commercials of all time. And yeah, it’s what I’m gonna be doing. Cat herding technicians, app managers, middleware, mainframe, lines of business, you name it, to solve problems.

EDS, an HP Company ‘Cat Herders’

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:48:58pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:50:00pm

re: #210 Belafon

32% correctly…

…really isn’t too bad. In the 60s there were teach-ins. We have a lot of teachers in 32%.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:50:53pm

I’m in the Upper Colorado River Basin, almost 2,000% of average snow water equivalent (a measure of the water in the snow on the ground, not necessarily how deep the snow is). The Gunnison Basin comes up as unavailable because their percentage is wacky off the charts, estimated at over 50,000%.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:52:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:53:38pm

re: #211 mmmirele

I got through the first day of my new job as a Cat Herder in Training at the evil too big to fail bank. Not much happened since I don’t have access to some of the major tools used by this group. But I did shadow a channel manager (<

This, by the way, is one of the greatest commercials of all time. And yeah, it’s what I’m gonna be doing. Cat herding technicians, app managers, middleware, mainframe, lines of business, you name it, to solve problems.

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Video

LOL I worked for EDS when GM owned them back in the ‘80’s and ‘90’s.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:53:44pm

re: #106 Citizen K

And in many recent discussions with white men (who comprise about 30% of the total population) the abject lack of any sense of awareness or fairness towards minorities and women is dominant.

If they do not experience the reality that 65% of the country does, the problem really does not exist. The notion of “I’ve got mine…fuck you” defines modern white male culture. It really is all about getting mine and nothing else.

BTW, I am a white male.

Latest example. A 65-ish white male working class guy I struck up a conversation with the other day started off suggesting he didn’t like Southerners for their presumed intolerance. A little later he said he supported Trump. He liked the current economy. Go figure. Only an economic downturn will possibly turn any significant white men away from Trump.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:54:44pm

re: #214 teleskiguy

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I’m in the Upper Colorado River Basin, almost 2,000% of average snow water equivalent (a measure of the water in the snow on the ground, not necessarily how deep the snow is). The Gunnison basin comes up as unavailable because their percentage is wacky off the charts, estimated at over 50,000%.

Does that mean things are looking better for that big reservoir behind Hoover Dam?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:55:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:56:05pm

I never used the N-word in high school, but can I honestly say that I never used any kind of racist slur? Because I do remember my classmates (White & Black) making jokes about a certain European nationality.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:57:34pm

Yay, I log in just as the weather radio pops up a tornado warning.

Hi, everyone. I might not be here very long.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:59:08pm

President Butthurt doin’ some Presidentin’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 4:59:36pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Barefoot Grin - if you’re here, your LGF subscription has been renewed thanks to a contribution from another member, so you should be all ad-free again for another year.

Kewl, Barefoot Grin is a very thoughtful and astute contributor to the site. That was a worthwhile thing to do.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:03:55pm

My family moved away from New York to Hawaii when I was 10, but horrific racism was pretty commonplace in NY then. Somehow I managed to not acquire it, probably because my mom was pretty level-headed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:04:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:05:45pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:06:37pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

No wonder that the 102nd Chairborne likes him. It is because DT is one of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:08:13pm
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mmmirele  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:09:07pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

Does that mean things are looking better for that big reservoir behind Hoover Dam?

I saw something last week from (I want to say) Lake Powell, telling people not to camp within 300 feet of the shoreline because the water has been steadily rising and they might get flooded out. From last week:

Snowmelt from the Rocky Mountains has been pouring into Lake Powell since weather began to warm up. The lake is rising six to 15 inches each day, and according to Greg Smith, senior hydrologist at Colorado Basin River Forecast Center, this is an immense improvement from 2018.

“So if you look at 2018, the volume of water that came into Lake Powell during the April dry period was 2.6 million acre feet. And this year, we’re forecasting 10.1 million acre feet. So you can see I mean, it’s it’s it’s quite a, you know, huge increase from what we saw last year,” Smith said.

kjzz.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:10:23pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

President Butthurt doin’ some Presidentin’

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and he’s tweeting to @FoxNews, which has been in a tweetsnit self-imposed silence since November 8, 2018.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:10:43pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:11:33pm

re: #229 mmmirele

I saw something last week from (I want to say) Lake Powell, telling people not to camp within 300 feet of the shoreline because the water has been steadily rising and they might get flooded out. From last week:

kjzz.org

Let’s hear it for the hydrologists!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:13:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:14:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:15:15pm

re: #229 mmmirele

I saw something last week from (I want to say) Lake Powell, telling people not to camp within 300 feet of the shoreline because the water has been steadily rising and they might get flooded out. From last week:

kjzz.org

Same is going on in Wyoming.

Downstream from Wyoming, here in western Nebraska the North Platte River is out of it’s banks in several places.

Further downstream, the Platte River is usually dry or nearly dry this time of year (that is normal), but is near its banks.

Coming home this afternoon and crossing the North Platte outside of the village, the river is out of its banks here. (We’re safe since our town is on the upslope of the Nebraska Sandhills. For our town to flood, there would have to be such a massive amount of water in the valley that Noah’s Flood would be a pipsqueak.)

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:15:38pm

OT Today at work I was sitting on a bench outside a supermarket. Next to me was a senior citizen. She had a bunch of Google cards in her lap and was trying to pay “amazon” with them. Not only did the manager of the supermarket tell her she was being taken by this fake “amazon” but all of those around her including me. I gave her the 888 number I have for amazon and told her to go to her bank to get the whole mess straightened out. I only hope it does get straightened out for her sake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:16:08pm

What could possibly go wrong?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:17:19pm

re: #195 gocart mozart

That’s the whitest thing I’ve ever read in my life. So President Obama needs to rescue a racist kid from the consequences of his racism? Really dude?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:18:19pm

I heard about new podcast featuring interviews by Shirley Manson called “The Jump” on Marc Maron’s podcast. Looking forward to downloading (and obviously acting as an ‘unwitting’ transmitter of a new podcast through an influencer pushing content).

First is Courtney Love. Not on iTunes as far as i can tell.

variety.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:20:38pm

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:20:50pm

Speaking of Courtney Love, she covered one of my high school friend’s bands’ songs “Left In the Dark” (The Vertebrats). But it wasn’t released because they just couldn’t get it right. (The Replacements covered it a couple of times live too).

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:23:32pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

Do we care whether or not he accepts a loss in the presidential elections? That’s not something we can control. When he loses, he’ll go just like every other losing President.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:24:23pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Oh. Really?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:24:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:25:19pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:28:03pm

One should be required to obtain a license to hold one of these.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:29:03pm

re: #243 Ace Rothstein

Oh. Really?

Yes. So he’s going to throw a fit and refuse to leave the White House until he’s escorted out by the police? Do you really believe that the Democratic President who wins is going to cater to Trump’s nonsense?

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A Mom Anon  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:30:01pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

A wiener dog named Frank. OMG. I is ded now. I want to cuddle with him. (Why yes, I am ready for another doggo I think. It’s been 9 months since my Abby died of cancer, I really need a buddy again. Can’t afford it, so pics will have to do for now)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:30:42pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:31:49pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Do we care whether or not he accepts a loss in the presidential elections? That’s not something we can control. When he loses, he’ll go just like every other losing President.

Wanna bet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:32:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:33:10pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

A wiener dog named Frank. OMG. I is ded now. I want to cuddle with him. (Why yes, I am ready for another doggo I think. It’s been 9 months since my Abby died of cancer, I really need a buddy again. Can’t afford it, so pics will have to do for now)

here…have another one:

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:34:02pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:35:10pm

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

If he leaves (A HUGE IF) it will be with gunfire and violence in the streets, and I’m not bullshitting.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:35:26pm

re: #250 Skip Intro

I’d bet that he will have to leave if he loses. I don’t see how he gets to stay in the White House if he loses an election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:36:36pm

heh

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:36:57pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

We’re not dealing with a rational actor here. We’re dealing with the prince of fucking darkness.

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Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:37:36pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

I’d bet that he will have to leave if he loses. I don’t see how he gets to stay in the White House if he loses an election.

He’ll deny losing. He’ll claim his polling shows him winning in a landslide. His lawyers will turn the election in a dozen Floridas by contesting every single vote against him.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:39:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:41:38pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Do we care whether or not he accepts a loss in the presidential elections? That’s not something we can control. When he loses, he’ll go just like every other losing President.

I don’t think any other departing U.S. President was ever removed from the White House on a handcart in a straitjacket and mouth muzzle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:43:05pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:46:26pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:48:38pm

If Fuckface Von Clownstick loses in 2020 (Ullr willing), he’ll declare the election illegitimate and declare martial law.

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steve_davis  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:51:12pm

re: #95 MsJ

“I don’t like having sex with children” is beyond weird, to me at least.

It’s like saying, well sure, I tried it, but I don’t like it.

“Again, I don’t like having sex with children, I like having sex on top of them.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:51:20pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:51:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:51:40pm

Plenty of conservatives and libertarians caterwauling “they could go somewhere else.”

It isn’t just the LGBT+ community of course. I see my atheist butt following shortly in these religious discrimination cases.

I’ve used this example before, if the local store refuses me service on religious grounds. The next nearest stores are sixteen miles away, and they all know me too. If they also refuse me, the next nearest stores are sixty miles away.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:51:49pm

Sheesh, I’ve got some real winners coming at me tonight on Twitter.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:52:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:52:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:55:40pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:57:38pm

re: #263 teleskiguy

If Fuckface Von Clownstick loses in 2020 (Ullr willing), he’ll declare the election illegitimate and declare martial law.

Tell him he accidentally declared Marital Law, through some spelling accident, and he’ll turn and run. Away, not for office.

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Old Liberal  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:58:35pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

If they could afford to stem the flow of migrants, they’d have done it long ago. The point of giving them aid is to help them to do so. Idiots.

Yes but the conservatives believe only in negative conditioning. Punishment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 5:59:05pm

A local tale about banking.

When I was in Sidney today for my VA appointment, I stopped in at the branch of my bank to withdraw some cash. I have never been in that branch before.

I write a cheque for $300 and present it to the teller. She checks our account balance and decides we’re good for the money, and hands across $300 in twenties and twos.

I asked if she wanted to see some ID or something, and she said “no.” She pointed out that tellers across the Panhandle have talked about the weird guy with the long hair, trilby hat, Smart car, who always gets $2 bills when he cashes a cheque.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:02:29pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

A local tale about banking.

When I was in Sidney today for my VA appointment, I stopped in at the branch of my bank to withdraw some cash. I have never been in that branch before.

I write a cheque for $300 and present it to the teller. She checks our account balance and decides we’re good for the money, and hands across $300 in twenties and twos.

I asked if she wanted to see some ID or something, and she said “no.” She pointed out that tellers across the Panhandle have talked about the weird guy with the long hair, trilby hat, Smart car, who always gets $2 bills when he cashes a cheque.

You are a Rock Star

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:03:49pm

wunderground.com

The county seat of the county to our west (Banner) is about to get hit with a tornadic thunderstorm.

In the meantime, storms are still building in my county. Hiding in my house is not really an option. (We are in the county north of Sidney on the map, in the SE corner.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:05:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:07:06pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

And “it’s worse to call out racists than to be a racist”.
And “Democrats were slave masters but we need to protect Confederate statues.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:09:29pm

re: #278 Patricia Kayden

And “it’s worse to call out racists than to be a racist”.
And “Democrats were slave masters but we need to protect Confederate statues.”

See Candace Owens’s stupefying Twitter feed today.

Wingnut Welfare must be really good.

If I was only totally amoral and unethical, I could be doing pretty well. So many FOX pundits are college dropouts, I have them beat having never been.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:10:31pm

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹

So if the religion is anti-gay, society as a whole has to respect that? Is this the direction in which SCOTUS is moving this country?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:10:32pm
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plansbandc  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:14:30pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wieners and Chiweenies are my thing. Frank is adorable. My sister had a wiener named Frankie, but I called him the Red Menace because he was very very naughty.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:14:55pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

A local tale about banking.

When I was in Sidney today for my VA appointment, I stopped in at the branch of my bank to withdraw some cash. I have never been in that branch before.

I write a cheque for $300 and present it to the teller. She checks our account balance and decides we’re good for the money, and hands across $300 in twenties and twos.

I asked if she wanted to see some ID or something, and she said “no.” She pointed out that tellers across the Panhandle have talked about the weird guy with the long hair, trilby hat, Smart car, who always gets $2 bills when he cashes a cheque.

I’d believe you were a fictional character if I hadn’t met you and bought you dinner!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:16:29pm

re: #280 Patricia Kayden

So if the religion is anti-gay, society as a whole has to respect that? Is this the direction in which SCOTUS is moving this country?

The court sent the case back to see if discrimination against religion was at issue.

In the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, the court found that Colorado applied its non-discrimination law in a discriminatory manner. They are saying in this case that the Masterpiece case applies, to ensure that the current case did not violate the state’s statutes.

What it looks like is happening with this case (but not the Masterpiece case) is that religion is getting special privilege (if it’s the right religion) not afforded to others.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:17:14pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

A local tale about banking.

When I was in Sidney today for my VA appointment, I stopped in at the branch of my bank to withdraw some cash. I have never been in that branch before.

I write a cheque for $300 and present it to the teller. She checks our account balance and decides we’re good for the money, and hands across $300 in twenties and twos.

I asked if she wanted to see some ID or something, and she said “no.” She pointed out that tellers across the Panhandle have talked about the weird guy with the long hair, trilby hat, Smart car, who always gets $2 bills when he cashes a cheque.

You’re famous!!

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Cheechako  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:19:28pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

A local tale about banking.

When I was in Sidney today for my VA appointment, I stopped in at the branch of my bank to withdraw some cash. I have never been in that branch before.

I write a cheque for $300 and present it to the teller. She checks our account balance and decides we’re good for the money, and hands across $300 in twenties and twos.

I asked if she wanted to see some ID or something, and she said “no.” She pointed out that tellers across the Panhandle have talked about the weird guy with the long hair, trilby hat, Smart car, who always gets $2 bills when he cashes a cheque.

So, you’re the guy who clogs up cash register tills with $2 bills.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:20:57pm

re: #285 MsJ

You’re famous!!

Well, they gossip about me at any rate.

I use $2 bills frequently in my purchases. I like $2 bills. Pretty much every merchant in the area knows who I am because of that if no other reason.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:21:18pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

Okay. Thanks for the explainer. It feels as if SCOTUS wants to sanction discrimination if it’s based on religion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:21:31pm

re: #286 Cheechako

So, you’re the guy who clogs up cash register tills with $2 bills.

I made a point of using a bunch when we were in Juneau.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:22:47pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:24:46pm

JFC roller blading on a barbed wire tightrope over Mt. Doom!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:25:23pm

What is seen can never be unseen

Sorry, not sorry

lol

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Cheechako  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:25:32pm

re: #289 Anymouse 🌹

I made a point of using a bunch when we were in Juneau.

Locals probably thought they were Canadian bills.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:26:02pm

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

See Candace Owens’s stupefying Twitter feed today.

Wingnut Welfare must be really good.

If I was only totally amoral and unethical, I could be doing pretty well. So many FOX pundits are college dropouts, I have them beat having never been.

Amoral and unethical are necessary but not sufficient qualifications. You also have to be under 35, grew up in a liberal enclave, and look like an Abercrombie & Fitch model.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:27:16pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:27:58pm

She fucking warned y’all

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plansbandc  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:29:38pm

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Blocked about a hundred from that thread alone. Very fertile blocking grounds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:30:08pm

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

She fucking warned y’all

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Yes and they won’t stop with rounding up so-called illegals…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:31:15pm

re: #298 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes and they won’t stop with rounding up so-called illegals…

Nope, but the Republicans won’t realize this until it’s too late and some of their own are getting shipped out. Willful ignorance has a steep price.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:31:57pm

Hmmm wonder what D’Souza and Malkin will do when ICE comes for them…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:32:28pm

Oh yeah. Screams “IRAN!!!!!” to me. Can’t roll my eyes enough.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:32:58pm

Does someone have an IMAX projector?

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Old Liberal  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:34:36pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

Does someone have an IMAX projector?

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Why does his picture say “I’m with stupid?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:34:56pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:35:47pm

If I only lived for money I’d sell out for that sweet sweet wing nut welfare cash from The Mercer’s!

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Old Liberal  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:37:20pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

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He’s just trying to save face about his secret Mexican agreement.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:39:05pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:40:14pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

Does someone have an IMAX projector?

[Embedded content]

White racists can use the n word all they want. They’ll just have to suffer the consequences for doing so. That’s about it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:41:31pm

We have some severe wind shear here.

There is a line of thunderstorms lined up along the Colorado-Nebraska state line moving north.

Further north where I live, we have thunderstorms moving southeast toward that line.

In the county to our west, a tornadic thunderstorm just passed over the county seat.

In the meantime, our local warnings have expired.

Could be an interesting night.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:43:09pm

Today started when I got on the Purple Line and a fool decided to milkshake a cop.

It went downhill from there!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:46:22pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:46:38pm

re: #309 Anymouse 🌹

The SPC showed, for your part of the world, a thin lie at the top of the “T”, the region of threats today:

spc.noaa.gov

The radar seems to imply that the line of thunderstorms is rather thin and mostly moving east, as predicted by the SPC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:48:22pm

re: #312 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thanks for the chart.

I’m going to bow out for now … catch y’all later.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:49:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:49:51pm

(3:23)

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retired cynic  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:57:06pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re. the burning street sign: wow, that’s right near a friend of mine! I’d better be in touch!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 6:58:49pm

And here is Kevin M. Kruse doing HISTORICAL RESEARCH on a stupid Trump meme.

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Teukka  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:01:26pm

Watching this… WOAH…
Not Safe For Sanity…

Biblical Gender Roles, Mestrual Marriage.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:23:09pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:23:38pm

My own personal horror, climate change.

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William Lewis  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:35:10pm

re: #320 teleskiguy

Interesting concept…

6 words…

Young Asian man killed by police.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:35:26pm

This one’s for Charles, and anyone who happens to overhear…

The Graham Dechter Quartet ‘Takin’ It There’ | Live Studio Session

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:38:02pm

re: #319 goddamnedfrank

They let several of this guy’s grandfathers in.

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:41:14pm

Now up, Mr. Sealtheborders.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:45:07pm

re: #320 teleskiguy

My own personal horror, climate change.

[Embedded content]

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mmmirele  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:47:48pm

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

Plenty of conservatives and libertarians caterwauling “they could go somewhere else.”

It isn’t just the LGBT+ community of course. I see my atheist butt following shortly in these religious discrimination cases.

I’ve used this example before, if the local store refuses me service on religious grounds. The next nearest stores are sixteen miles away, and they all know me too. If they also refuse me, the next nearest stores are sixty miles away.

It’s going to take something like an Evangelical cake baker refusing to make a cake for a heterosexual couple getting married in a Mormon temple. Because the Evangelical thinks the Mormons are a cult and doesn’t want to encourage it. Before you say, “that’s weird, of course that wouldn’t happen,” Evangelicals do consider Mormons a cult.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:50:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:52:26pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:52:28pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:57:02pm

re: #250 Skip Intro

Wanna bet?

I’m buying tickets to the after-party, when we all get to watch him being dragged out for being an illegal occupant of the White House. And they’d better play the B-52s.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 7:59:22pm

re: #325 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 8:06:21pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

I am pleasantly surprised by the responses to that tweet.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2019 • 8:07:41pm

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

Well, they gossip about me at any rate.

I use $2 bills frequently in my purchases. I like $2 bills. Pretty much every merchant in the area knows who I am because of that if no other reason.

You’re the entire reason Trump is wanting to put Harriet Tubman on the $2. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 8:08:22pm

John Cusack digs himself a deeper hole. Ilhan Omar should slap him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2019 • 8:08:51pm

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Wait, is that THE John Cusack?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2019 • 8:09:26pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, is that THE John Cusack?

Joan’s brother. Yeah.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2019 • 9:08:37pm
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CarolJ  Jun 18, 2019 • 12:40:31am

re: #215 Charles Johnson
Amen, Charles. And isn’t being admitted into Harvard, a privilege anyway? It’s not a State school with any obligation to admit him due to residency. People get rejected from there all the time for pretty arbitrary reasons.
And a good reason is Harvard’s good name. Don’t want someone using their Harvard degree to become head of the Klan.
Kavanaugh, the kid from Covington, and now Kashuv. They want the power not only to be young dicks, but immunity from even simple consequences of being such.

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Semper Fi  Jun 18, 2019 • 7:26:43pm

re: #131 Dave In Austin

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Thanks for that…


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