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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:43:57am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:45:37am

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:47:25am
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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:51:38am

Here is a story that led me to the latest Taylor Swift video. I know our host hates the overproduced sound, but I found that the video and lyrics are worth a look at least once, since she has a huge following.

joemygod.com

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:53:59am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

They were, and the national polls were pretty much spot on. They pretty much got the margin on the national popular vote right. But that’s not the same as getting the EC right; and the credible pollsters/stats guys knew this - and they warned of Trump’s chance of winning was not zero.

We can’t be complacent or assume the polls will be any different this time around. Fight for every state, precinct, and district. Don’t give the GOP a chance.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:54:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:55:48am

I called in my latest rainfall amount to the NWS office and they immediately issued a Flood Advisory in effect until 6:30 pm.

More than 5” of rain since Sunday (9.31 so far in June), and more on the way.

needing a boat…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:58:02am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 11:58:31am

Usual suspects yelping about “discrimination.” They fail to realize that “homicidal goober bigot” is not a protected category.

Facebook Post

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:00:42pm

Paranoia strikes deep.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:01:05pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Usual suspects yelping about “discrimination.” They fail to realize that “homicidal goober bigot” is not a protected category.

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He probably thinks this is the worst persecution ever. Stupid bigoted asshle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:01:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:04:15pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If something like this happened because of an Obama policy, Graham and Falwell Jr would be crying that it was purposeful persecution of Christians. Two pathetic morons they both are.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:17:13pm

So now that they’ve listened to Hope Hicks give them absolutely nothing under very shaky pretenses, will they move to start Impeachment hearings?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:21:06pm

POLLS DON’T MATTER!!!! I’D BE WINNING IF NOT FOR PHONY HOAX INVESTIGATIONS!! I’M REALLY WINNING ANYWAY!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:27:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:27:53pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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The media doesn’t deserve the demonizing Trump does to it but the media sure as hell deserves criticism for how they discuss political issues in this country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:30:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:32:42pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully someone good is waiting in teh wings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:32:53pm

oh

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:33:43pm

Don’t want to hear shit, ever, about how we are winning against the thugs. The next 15 months are going to be a knife fight, and we have a wrist tied behind our back.

WE LOST to these shitsticks, and they are fighting from the high ground now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:34:13pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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I imagine there’s a lot about the Falwells that Cohen was helping ot ekep secret.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:36:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:37:14pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:40:27pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

Jeb Bush was clobbering Trump this time in 2015.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:42:27pm

re: #4 BlueSpotinAL

Here is a story that led me to the latest Taylor Swift video. I know our host hates the overproduced sound, but I found that the video and lyrics are worth a look at least once, since she has a huge following.

joemygod.com

Thanks for sharing. Not a fan of that music genre, but good to see her using her podium for an important cause.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:46:03pm

Current headline on CNN. Troll level 8.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:47:30pm

We could save our votes for the politician who has the moral courage to come out in favor of cancer.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:49:24pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

We could save our votes for the politician who has the moral courage to come out in favor of cancer.

If it would increase his popularity among the Nazis, Donnie would do it in a heartbeat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:49:46pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:51:18pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

But now everyone knows what a Trump presidency means, and a big majority still oppose him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:52:01pm

so proud of hisself!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:52:31pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

Current headline on CNN. Troll level 8.

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Says the guy cutting funds to research.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:54:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:56:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:57:45pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:58:14pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A lot of King’s work is auto-biographical, so that accident and his recovery has featured prominently in his subsequent stories.

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steve_davis  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:58:57pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

and they were beating him handily in the second week of October as well, and then James Comey decided to commit treason.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 12:59:56pm
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rhuarc  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:00:03pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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How long before it comes out that the pictures have the pool boy in them and that Jerry was the person taking the picture? A couple of days? A few weeks?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:00:56pm

re: #38 steve_davis

and they were beating him handily in the second week of October as well, and then James Comey decided to commit treason.

And now he owns the entire LE/Intel apparatus, with 3 years’ worth of installed stooges.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:01:29pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump can’t be trusted with the AUMF or any sort of power but in all honesty, it is time to seriously re-access the strategy in the ME.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:02:49pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

On June 19th, 1999 I got hit by a van while taking a walk. As I lay unconscious in the hospital, the docs debated amputating my right leg and decided it could stay, on a trial basis. I got better. Every day of the 20 years since has been a gift.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) June 19, 2019

Or perhaps the docs did amputate the leg and replaced it with an evil, possessed leg!?

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:04:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:04:27pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

Or perhaps the docs did amputate the leg and replaced it with an evil, possessed leg!?

Just have it to us by the end of the year, Mr. King. //

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:05:07pm

re: #37 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A lot of King’s work is auto-biographical, so that accident and his recovery has featured prominently in his subsequent stories.

He crawled through a 500 foot river of shit smelling foulness?

*shudders*

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:05:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:06:41pm

re: #44 lawhawk

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My new representative has been leading on LGBT issues- her niece is transgendered. Some of the local Republicans have been whining about how it’s one of her priorities. Well guys, maybe you shouldn’t scapegoat LGBT people and deny them the right to serve our country but that would require not being pricks which is what your party is full of.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:07:20pm

re: #4 BlueSpotinAL

I love that she’s denied White Supremacists an Ice Princess. They really thought she was one of theirs. Lol.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:07:30pm

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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They say the same crap that the Nazis did and then they have the nerve to liken themselves to the victims of the Nazis because liberals want to raise taxes on teh wealthiest 1%.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:07:44pm

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There probably is no strong logical argument for why a person should not act so ugly, as in being a bigot.

All one has is an economic argument, that is, the social cost of being a bigot has to be higher than the cost of being a decent person.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:09:32pm

Grab the popcorn….

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:09:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:10:17pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

Or perhaps the docs did amputate the leg and replaced it with an evil, possessed leg!?

named Christine…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:10:23pm

They call us the land of the free and then they say to Transgender Americans, “sorry you can’t serve in our armed forces.” There are plenty of transgendered men and women who would make better soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen/women than I ever would. I’m not more equipped for service just for being a cisgendered male.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:10:45pm

re: #51 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There probably is no strong logical argument for why a person should not act so ugily, as in being a bigot.

All one has is an economic argument, that is, the social cost of being a bigot has to be higher than the cost of being a decent person.

The argument I make is that if we respect everyone’s rights, that increases the likelihood that my rights will be respected as well. But they see it as a zero sum game; if someone else is gaining, they must be losing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:10:56pm

re: #52 lawhawk

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Grab the popcorn….

Gee another criminal enterprise in Stupid Cosa Nostra.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:11:36pm

This is an add on LGF

1) I hate anyone that uses 9/11 for any advertisement.
2) The 9/11 terrorists came here legally (on planes).
3) Who is paying for this shit?
4) I have no problem with Charles making money on this.

Stupid people spending money

it links to a gofuckme account
webuildthewall.us

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:12:58pm

re: #58 I Would Prefer Not To

This is an add on LGF

1) I hate anyone that uses 9/11 for any advertisement.
2) The 9/11 terrorists came here legally (on planes).
3) Who is paying for this shit?
4) I have no problem with Charles making money on this.

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“A few” as in “none.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:13:18pm

re: #58 I Would Prefer Not To

This is an add on LGF

1) I hate anyone that uses 9/11 for any advertisement.
2) The 9/11 terrorists came here legally (on planes).
3) Who is paying for this shit?
4) I have no problem with Charles making money on this.

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That’s the grifter who pulled $22 million into a gofundme, then changed the rules.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:13:21pm

re: #56 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The argument I make is that if we respect everyone’s rights, that increases the likelihood that my rights will be respected as well. But they see it as a zero sum game; if someone else is gaining, they must be losing.

They are so threatened by change being welcoming to those they have wanted to marginalize for years. That’s what they’er afraid. They’re afraid of proud and open transgendered Americans serving their country with the same honor and sense of duty to their country that cisgendered Americans do just like they were afraid of gays doing the same as straight. Remember when the Million Moms were angry about Ellen Degeeres being a spokeswoman for J.C Penney and they more or less admitted it bothered them because Ellen Degeneres is a successful and mentally well adjusted openly gay woman.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:13:49pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

named Christine…

That was dug up from a pet cemetery?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:14:14pm

re: #62 lawhawk

That was dug up from a pet cemetery?

And appears once ever 30 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:14:51pm

JFC Bernie…take a fucking seat already

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:14:54pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

And appears once ever 30 years.

Next to a Dark Tower.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:15:33pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

And appears once ever 30 years.

With a tractor trailer that works like one of those self driving cars that malfunctions. And was built by the Shop who kept a little girl from her parents and got blown up by fireballs in the process.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:15:44pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

And appears once ever 30 years.

And frequently complains that all work and no play makes a leg dull.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:16:00pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC Bernie…take a fucking seat already

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You can’t even condemn Trump on Russia, Bernie and yet you do shit like this.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:16:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:16:33pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC Bernie…take a fucking seat already

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Yes Bernie, I’ll canvass for you. I’ll feel stupid doing it, but what the hell—it’s Alabama.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:16:45pm

re: #66 lawhawk

With a tractor trailer that works like one of those self driving cars that malfunctions. And was built by the Shop who kept a little girl from her parents and got blown up by fireballs in the process.

And this story is narrated byMorgan Freeman and set in Maine of course.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:16:45pm

Someone should let Mr. King know that some Lizards have written his next novel here.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:17:42pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

In a town with a prison and a death row known as the Green Mile.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:18:18pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Someone should let Mr. King know that some Lizards have written his next novel here.

More like… Stephen King Mad Libs….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:22:09pm

re: #73 lawhawk

In a town with a prison and a death row known as the Green Mile.

And whose town hospital nurse doesn’t like that the other townspeople characters swear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:22:16pm

re: #58 I Would Prefer Not To

ARGH.

The “few terrorists” that attacked on 9/11 had the support of a well banked, well connected and vast terrorist network that helped them pull the attack off. No way 19 guys could have independently planned, funded and executed that.

And let’s not even get in to the pre-9/11 intelligence failures.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:23:05pm

re: #74 lawhawk

More like… Stephen King Mad Libs….

Kinglibs. Picked a good time of day to have that special cookie that inspired the burning down of the school during Prom.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:24:06pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

ARGH.

The “few terrorists” that attacked on 9/11 had the support of a well banked, well connected and vast terrorist network of terrorists that helped them pull the attack off. No way 19 guys could have independently planned, funded and executed that.

And let’s not even get in to the pre-9/11 intelligence failures.

Yeah this is a really stupid argument. But it’s from right wingers whose idea of freedom comes in restrictions not inclusion.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:24:12pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

…taking on the billionaire class

I wonder how many billionaires are in the U.S.? 8? 75? What are they doing that requires us to “take them on”? And what would be accomplished by doing so?

What if most of the opposition to M4A isn’t the “billionaire class” but turns out to be pretty wide spread across the income distribution?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:24:20pm

good fucking grief…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:24:53pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

According to Mr. Google, there are 607 billionaires in this country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:25:48pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:25:58pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

One of my favorite Saturday night activities, acid washing my deleted emails….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:26:12pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

I knew he’d go back to “total exoneration” pretty quick.

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:26:18pm

re: #56 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The argument I make is that if we respect everyone’s rights, that increases the likelihood that my rights will be respected as well. But they see it as a zero sum game; if someone else is gaining, they must be losing.

it’s unfortunate that “everyone does better when everyone does better” is too abstract for many people

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:26:40pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

I wonder how many billionaires are in the U.S.? 8? 75? What are they doing that requires us to “take them on”? And what would be accomplished by doing so?

What if most of the opposition to M4A isn’t the “billionaire class” but turns out to be pretty wide spread across the income distribution?

Well you’re not taking the Marxist approach to it is the problem. That’s why Bernie is a bad politician IMO. He only sees the class in the issues. He doesn’t understand why the more pragmatic Dems may think it’s a hard sell to go from the barely passed and I should stress for Bernie who was there- hard fought not just in Congress but in the courts ACA to go for something even more ambitious overnight. Sorry should have made it clear that I was talking about Obamacare which I concede should not be final by any means but improved on but we need to change how we discuss health care in this country before we can radically change the system like Bernie wants to and that’s even if we want to, I TBH am not 100% sold a Nordic like system would work here since our population is much bigger. I’m open if we can make it work but I understand the skepticism at the same time. That doesn’t mean I accept the status quo despite what Sanders says.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:27:15pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

I thought subpoenas were like so much nonsense that can be freely ignored, like by your own cabinet people.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:28:14pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did he die again? Thought he had already passed from the scene.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:28:21pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A lot of right wingers find the idea of putting liberals and those they dislike in one way helicopter trips like what Pinochet and the regime in neighboring Argentina to be hilarious. Plus Pinochet proved that Capitalism doesn’t need democratic freedom to function. They LOVE him for that.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:28:49pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

I wonder how many billionaires are in the U.S.? 8? 75? What are they doing that requires us to “take them on”? And what would be accomplished by doing so?

What if most of the opposition to M4A isn’t the “billionaire class” but turns out to be pretty wide spread across the income distribution?

Realistically the best we can hope for if the Democrats take the Senate in the next Congress is a public option, and even that will be hard fought. More likely we’ll get incremental improvement of the ACA.

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:28:58pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

And appears once ever 30 years.

because it keeps going thru the closet of a diner, back in time to kill lee harvey oswald

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:29:04pm

re: #85 DangerMan

it’s unfortunate that “everyone does better when everyone does better” is too abstract for many people

There are 100 people and 100 cookies. One of those 100 people gets 99 cookies because of who his father is. The other 99 people are left to fight over the remaining cookie while the guy who has 99 chastises them, saying if they wanted cookies that badly, they should have opened a bakery.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:29:04pm

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Did he die again? Thought he had already passed from the scene.

Unfortunately he only died once but I imagine Weigel is pointing out what happened as a “put things in perspective moment.” TBH Pinochet got off so easily. He should have rotten in a cell.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:29:36pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

There are 100 people and 100 cookies. One of those 100 people gets 99 cookies because of who his father is. The other 99 people are left to fight over the remaining cookie while the guy who has 99 chastises them, saying if they wanted cookies that bad, they should have opened a bakery.

Oldie but a goodie but basically how right wing bullshit works in this country.

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:29:56pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC Bernie…take a fucking seat already

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bernie, THIS is why your poll numbers are where they are

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:30:00pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

By “Rigged” does he mean “having a majority”?

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:32:16pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

ARGH.

The “few terrorists” that attacked on 9/11 had the support of a well banked, well connected and vast terrorist network that helped them pull the attack off. No way 19 guys could have independently planned, funded and executed that.

And let’s not even get in to the pre-9/11 intelligence failures.

only cause there was no gofundme yet //

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:32:21pm

re: #95 DangerMan

bernie, THIS is why your poll numbers are where they are

He thinks he’s the fairest of them all. He ain’t Snow White.

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:34:17pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is a really stupid argument. But it’s from right wingers whose idea of freedom comes in restrictions not inclusion who dont know how to construct a reasoned, lucid, relevant and valid argument.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:34:22pm

re: #58 I Would Prefer Not To

This is an add on LGF

1) I hate anyone that uses 9/11 for any advertisement.
2) The 9/11 terrorists came here legally (on planes).
3) Who is paying for this shit?
4) I have no problem with Charles making money on this.

[Embedded content]

it links to a gofuckme account
webuildthewall.us

OK, but say we do Build The Wall between us and Mexico. Won’t the bad terrorists just cross over from the Canadian border? Or just fly in like they did before?

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:36:32pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

I wonder how many billionaires are in the U.S.? 8? 75? What are they doing that requires us to “take them on”? And what would be accomplished by doing so?

What if most of the opposition to M4A isn’t the “billionaire class” but turns out to be pretty wide spread across the income distribution?

the single biggest problem with “M4A” right now is like so many other words, it’s got lots of differing definitions.

candidates mean different things (and support different things) when they use the term

and the public has their own ideas of what they think it will and wont do

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:36:54pm

re: #99 DangerMan

That too. But it still remains that how the right views freedom is the of freedom is it should be based in restrictions more than ti should be inclusion.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:38:41pm

re: #101 DangerMan

the single biggest problem with “M4A” right now is like so many other words, it’s got lots of differing definitions.

candidates mean different things (and support different things) when they use the term

and the public has their own ideas of what they think it will and wont do

I M4A is a nice goal. But I think what Sanders doesn’t seem to get is that M4A will be part of a process not a single event just like Medicare itself was and that was in an era where the public was much more supportive of government expanding social programs than they are now.

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:40:30pm

re: #100 Sir John Barron

OK, but say we do Build The Wall between us and Mexico. Won’t the bad terrorists just cross over from the Canadian border? Or just fly in like they did before?

or drive, pole vault, tunnel, take a boat, swim

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:42:07pm

“Medicare” is one of those words which have become triggers in the American popular discussion.

There are good reasons to think that the current Medicare system isn’t going to be the best solution for everybody, not the least of which is that doctors may choose to not see Medicare patients.

And even if they do, they may not accept the Medicare payments as sufficient and can charge the patient more.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:43:40pm

re: #104 DangerMan

Or get a visa.

Or be born white, privileged, and open fire on a crowd from a hotel room with an assault rifle with a bump stock.

Or be born white, privileged, and open fire on a crowd in a shul with an assault rifle.

Or be born white, privileged, and open fire on a crowd in a black church with guns.

Or be born white, privileged, and open fire on a crowd in a school with an assault rifle (multiple times).

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:43:52pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

That too. But it still remains that how the right views freedom is the of freedom is it should be based in restrictions more than ti should be inclusion.

agreed

i generally think of us all on the same boat
if we organize the rowing we can get somewhere
if we dont row together or everyone doesnt row, then no one gets anywhere

deciding on the somewhere is a different matter

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:46:01pm

Trump’s campaign shindig brought in good ratings for the old-white-guy channel:

Image: Final-Cable-2019-Jun-18.TUE_.png

There’s always money to be made off of hate and demagoguery.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:46:24pm

re: #107 DangerMan

agreed

i generally think of us all on the same boat
if we organize the rowing we can get somewhere
if we dont row together or everyone doesnt row, then no one gets anywhere

deciding on the somewhere is a different matter

Yeah I’ve never liked the idea of the one man being an island. Humanity I think while we have innate individual instincts, we also have collective ones too.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:47:37pm

Oh my.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:49:33pm

sure, why the fuck not…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 1:50:34pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, why the fuck not…

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A quack receiving a medal from a rabid asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:02:07pm
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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:03:30pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately he only died once but I imagine Weigel is pointing out what happened as a “put things in perspective moment.” TBH Pinochet got off so easily. He should have rotten in a cell.

I remember pissing off DF by saying how i hoped Pinochet, Franco, Reagan and Thatcher were all now roommates in Hell.

If I saw that shirt, I’d beat the shit out of the wearer and claim a fighting words defense.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:03:36pm

re: #107 DangerMan

agreed

i generally think of us all on the same boat
if we organize the rowing we can get somewhere
if we dont row together or everyone doesnt row, then no one gets anywhere

deciding on the somewhere is a different matter

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:04:02pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Great point:

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:06:09pm

I know it’s a few days after Fathers Day, but this thread made my day today:

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:06:17pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Great point:

If only Hunter S Thompson was still alive…what a story

Larry Flynt is.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:06:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:07:28pm

re: #114 William Lewis

I remember pissing off DF by saying how i hoped Pinochet, Franco, Reagan and Thatcher were all now roommates in Hell.

If I saw that shirt, I’d beat the shit out of the wearer and claim a fighting words defense.

He didn’t like to see known mass murdering tyrants like Franco and Pinochet lumped in with his heroes and their enablers like Reagan and Thatcher (I know Reagan and Thatcher took office after Franco died but they definitely have supported him strongly.) And I wouldn’t blame you. Pinochet was a mass murderering tyrant.

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steve_davis  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:08:34pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

so proud of hisself!

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“Here, throw it, throw it!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:12:00pm

re: #118 Barefoot Grin

I know it’s a few days after Fathers Day, but this thread made my day today:

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He sounds like a real character.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:13:25pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Both sides!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:16:34pm
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sagehen  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:21:38pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

I wonder how many billionaires are in the U.S.? 8? 75? What are they doing that requires us to “take them on”? And what would be accomplished by doing so?

What if most of the opposition to M4A isn’t the “billionaire class” but turns out to be pretty wide spread across the income distribution?

In the U.S., there are 607 billionaires, up from 586 last year and 404 in 2010, and 14 of the world’s 20 richest are from the U.S. More than 40 percent of U.S. billionaires live in two states - California and New York
usnews.com

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:24:33pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

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or even

no chains in my fantasy world

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:26:07pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Someone should let Mr. King know that some Lizards have written his next novel here.

Someone should DM this thread to him.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:28:12pm

Weak little functionaries like this one are how you get Nazis taking over the government.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:31:05pm

re: #129 jaunte

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Weak little functionaries like this one are how you get Nazis taking over the government.

Yikes.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:34:26pm
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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:38:50pm

re: #131 Kilroy was here

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Gotta love Stephen

they literally are trying to decide between
- “make america great again” and
- ‘keep america great”

that they are opposing ideas is totally lost on them

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:40:42pm

Delusional is imagining that you can erase people who aren’t like you.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:40:52pm

re: #62 lawhawk

That was dug up from a pet cemetery?

I don’t wanna be buried in a pet sematary!

Ramones - Pet Sematary

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:41:46pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC Bernie…take a fucking seat already

This is funny. A diarist at DK took Bernies tweet to mean Bernie Sanders launches ridiculous smear campaign against Elizabeth Warren (you can see that name in the link). Admin decided they didn’t like it (this is at the top of the diary):

Original diary title was click-bait, needlessly inflammatory and did not accurately reflect the contents of the diary.

Title edited by Admin.

The title now reads ‘Bernie Sanders Pushes Back Against “Corporate Wing of the Democratic Party.’”

HA

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DangerMan  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:42:30pm

and another thing:

trump filed to run for reelection on 1/20/17
he’s been running since the day he was inaugurated
(had to get that grift going so he could start to milk the rubes early)

yesterday was one rally in a long line of them
so it wasnt anything special
in fact a lot of the speech was right out of 2016

what they really accomplished was to get a whole host of floridians to give up their personal information in exchange to get in

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:44:12pm

re: #129 jaunte

They’ve been road testing the argument that the 2001 AUMF will give them cover to attack Iran.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:46:29pm

An interesting poll about electability:

•When choosing a preferred president absent considerations of electability, 21% chose Warren, 19% chose Biden, 19% chose Sanders, 16% chose Buttigieg, 12% chose Harris, and 4% chose O’Rourke.

..

The electability gap is driven in large part by beliefs about how gender is perceived in America today. Those who see gender as a barrier to electability consistently express beliefs that other voters will not vote for a woman. These findings suggest that many voters may not need to be convinced that female a candidate is more capable — they must be convinced that Americans are capable of electing them.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:49:16pm

re: #132 DangerMan

they literally are trying to decide between
- “make america great again” and
- ‘keep america great”

that they are opposing ideas is totally lost on them

Not really. If you believe (as many of them do) that America somehow wasn’t great when Obama was president then Make America Great Again made sense in 2016.* Now that their guy is in charge, they can argue (erroneously) that America is great again, so Keep America Great now makes sense.

*I had this argument with my mom in 2016. She donated to Trump and had a yard sign. So I asked what “Make America Great Again” meant, if that meant that America wasn’t great? And if so, when did it stop being great? She sort of blue screened for a second and then was like “Make America Greater.” And when I tried to point out that her conclusion was still contradictory to what Trump was saying, she walked off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:50:14pm

re: #129 jaunte

Good grief. I’m not even a freaking American I know only Congress has the power to declare war.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:52:28pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

Good grief. I’m not even a freaking American I know only Congress has the power to declare war.

It’s something we get asked on grade school government tests.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2019 • 2:55:59pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

His refusal to answer is sheer cowardice.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:00:17pm

re: #138 Belafon

These findings suggest that many voters may not need to be convinced that female a candidate is more capable — they must be convinced that Americans are capable of electing them.

Obama went through the same thing as an African American politician. It sucks, but I suspect the first time there’s a real shot for a Latino or Asian American (or pick any other ethnic/racial group) candidate to break through, the same thing will happen.

It’s sort of a Jackie Robinson test. Once the first person gets through, it’s easier for the next person, but that first person has a lot of heavy lifting to do.

That said, I think electibility is mostly a bullshit thing in modern American politics. If you win a contested nomination in one of the two major parties, you are by definition, electable. This is especially true in presidential politics where the low water mark in a two person race is 40%

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:08:46pm

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:09:37pm

re: #144 Scottish Dragon

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Boom.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:10:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:15:00pm

re: #146 Dread Pirate

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This is something we should lead on. We’re a larger economy than the other nations. Not a surprise Trump completely reversed course on that.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:17:05pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

This is something we should lead on. We’re a larger economy than the other nations. Not a surprise Trump completely reversed course on that.

We’ve gone from “give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses earning to breathe free” to “fuck you, we’re full, get out.” And it’s embarrassing as fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:20:52pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:21:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:22:20pm

re: #148 KGxvi

We’ve gone from “give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses earning to breathe free” to “fuck you, we’re full, get out.” And it’s embarrassing as fuck.

Yep and that is one of the worst thing about this administration. They totally reject that. Even a world class prick like Nixon wasn’t like that but this guy and his toadies?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:22:23pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:23:05pm

re: #150 Dread Pirate

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And we’ve enabled his murderer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:23:48pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

And we’ve enabled rewarded his murderer.

FTFY

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:23:57pm

re: #100 Sir John Barron

OK, but say we do Build The Wall between us and Mexico. Won’t the bad terrorists just cross over from the Canadian border? Or just fly in like they did before?

Or they will just be born here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:24:39pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

FTFY

Yes. Even worse.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:26:28pm

re: #148 KGxvi

We’ve gone from “give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses earning to breathe free” to “fuck you, we’re full, get out.” And it’s embarrassing as fuck.

Hey now, we’re totally cool with bringing people in…from Norway. Or Eastern Europe. But only so long as they come here speaking English with a Southern accent and hate “foreigners” as much as “real ‘Murikans” should.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:32:42pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

We Don’t Want the Irish!

Once again, Mel Brooks following and ahead of his time.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:45:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:48:23pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

You can’t even condemn Trump on Russia, Bernie and yet you do shit like this.

As I keep repeating — Bernie is as owned by Putin as Trump. Putin would be ecstatic with a Bernie - Trump race; he may prefer Bernie who is more likely to be consistent and not exhibit erratic behavior.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:55:29pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

Hey now, we’re totally cool with bringing people in…from Norway. Or Eastern Europe. But only so long as they come here speaking English with a Southern accent and hate “foreigners” as much as “real ‘Murikans” should.

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My Trumpster brother doesn’t care about ethnicity so much — he wants anyone who is educated, with an advanced degree, who is a brilliant programmer or entrepreneur. Though he probably prefers those from Asia because of their well-established computer skills.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 3:59:04pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

My Trumpster brother doesn’t care about ethnicity so much — he wants anyone who is educated, with an advanced degree, who is a brilliant programmer or entrepreneur. Though he probably prefers those from Asia because of their well-established computer skills.

Let me guess, he either doesn’t work in an industry where he’d be worried those folks will “TAKE OUR JOBS!!!”…or he does, but thinks he’s so secure in his position that there’s no chance his boss would ever fire him.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:02:37pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

My Trumpster brother doesn’t care about ethnicity so much — he wants anyone who is educated, with an advanced degree, who is a brilliant programmer or entrepreneur. Though he probably prefers those from Asia because of their well-established computer skills.

Nigerian immigrants almost all have college degrees, and they speak English. WIN!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:04:36pm

re: #163 sagehen

Nigerian immigrants almost all have college degrees, and they speak English. WIN!!

If only their Princes would stop scamming us…

/

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:06:25pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

My Trumpster brother doesn’t care about ethnicity so much — he wants anyone who is educated, with an advanced degree, who is a brilliant programmer or entrepreneur. Though he probably prefers those from Asia because of their well-established computer skills.

Quite a few immigrants end up being “entrepreneurs” just not in the fancy start up venture capital world. I suspect many end up starting businesses in construction, or food service, or housekeeping, some become realtors/real estate agents. And every single one of them end up working their asses off in the process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:07:04pm

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

If only their Princes would stop scamming us…

/

they could be President…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:07:05pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Let me guess, he either doesn’t work in an industry where he’d be worried those folks will “TAKE OUR JOBS!!!”…or he does, but thinks he’s so secure in his position that there’s no chance his boss would ever fire him.

He did work in those industries — but he was an engineer and not a programmer. That work was outsourced to programmers in Asia.

One of my programmer friends, now retired, was originally opposed to H-1B visas for programming jobs but eventually decided that was far preferable to the alternative of outsourcing the work to Asia. That way, the work does remain here and those that come in on visas become Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:09:00pm

re: #165 KGxvi

Quite a few immigrants end up being “entrepreneurs” just not in the fancy start up venture capital world. I suspect many end up starting businesses in construction, or food service, or housekeeping, some become realtors/real estate agents. And every single one of them end up working their asses off in the process.

Yep.

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:20:37pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:26:34pm
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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:29:59pm

re: #169 Teukka

Nope, still read the top line first. If the middle text was an image, I’d probably go there first, but with text, I still go to the first line first.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:32:50pm

re: #169 Teukka

Stop that. Get out of my head. 😂

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:37:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:39:06pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

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Who stopped supporting Democratic Presidents after they embraced civil rights. And the few white Republicans that existed within the South at the onset of the Civil Rights era were even more racist than the Dixiecrats. That’s why the Democrats lost Southern whites.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:44:24pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:46:38pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

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Yeah, we remember how it was a Dem who famously stood up and said that if Strom had been elected back in ‘48, “all those problems” wouldn’t have happened.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:46:42pm

re: #175 gocart mozart

Nutjob art

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McNaughton is the bizarro love child of the guys who drew the heroes in Soviet propaganda and the villains in Nazi.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:47:08pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Who stopped supporting Democratic Presidents after they embraced civil rights. And the few white Republicans that existed within the South at the onset of the Civil Rights era were even more racist than the Dixiecrats. That’s why the Democrats lost Southern whites.

Trump has been successful at getting people to believe his lies and so has Dinesh. Tom Cotton decided to join the alternative fact bandwagon.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:47:47pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

Not this shit again.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:50:45pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Dems were beating Trump in early polls in 2015 too, weren’t they?

generally, yes, it looks about the same, except no democrat ever polled beating trump in texas

also, trump is now a known quantity

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:50:57pm

Most of the Republicans who supported the CRA and VRA came from states that the very party today treats as “coastal elites” while boasting about the support of “real Americans” in the very states whose Congressmen opposed desegregation and equality.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:51:24pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Most of the Republicans who supported the CRA and VRA came from states that the very party today treats as “coastal elites” while boasting about the support of “real Americans” in the very states whose Congressmen opposed desegregation and equality.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:52:05pm

TBH it’s not a coincidence most of those old Rockefeller Republican districts are now Democratic.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:54:28pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has been successful at getting people to believe his lies and so has Dinesh. Tom Cotton decided to join the alternative fact bandwagon.

People want to believe the lies. They think it makes them better than their predecessors, or somehow different. Same thing with the concentration camp nonsense yesterday - they don’t want to admit to the truth of what they really believe.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:55:26pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:56:12pm

The Brexiters really are extreme reactionaries and they now control the Tory party:

UK risks Scotland split, more austerity after a no-deal Brexit - Hammond

An opinion poll published this week showed a majority of Conservative Party members - who will make the final decision on Britain’s next prime minister in July - would accept losing Scotland from the United Kingdom as long as Brexit is delivered.

Scotland really isn’t a viable polity on its own. As part of the EU it would be one of the smaller states and dependent upon a lot of support from the populous EU states.

But if the Brexiters get what they want, then so be it.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:56:18pm

The Eight Stages of Genocide:
1. Classification: Us and Them. Citizens and “Illegal Aliens.”
2. Symbolism: Immigrants as “MS-13 gangbangers, drug smugglers, terrorists.”
3. Dehumanization: “Illegals are leeches, cockroaches, and parasites!”
4. Organization: ICE, Tea Party, Minutemen, Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Identity Evropa.
5. Polarization: Majority of Republicans support mass detentions and deportations.
6: Preparation: Separating migrant families. Throwing them into overcrowded cages.
7. Extermination: “2nd Amendment Solution”
8. Denial: “They’re not concentration camps!” “They deserved it for invading our country!”

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 4:58:35pm

Hell, wingnuts today try to insist that JFK would be a Republican if he ran today. Yet not only did he hail from a state that they now view as a “socialist hellhole,” but he promoted racial and economic equality at a time when such things were as “controversial” as suggesting M4A or a guaranteed income. LBJ gets credited with the Great Society, but most of those ideas were Kennedy’s and he was preparing to make them a major part of his reelection campaign in ‘64. And it was only the fact that JFK had introduced the CRA and VRA to Congress just prior to his death that allowed LBJ to push both through as his “legacy.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:00:22pm

Brexiteers really are reactionaries. From the over-linked and over-promoted (for the actual content) “Conservative Woman” website… which seems to feature mostly articles by men…

The way to a Clean Brexit? Independence from Scotland

[…]

There is a solution: England and Wales - rather than Scotland - must leave the UK. If Britannia leaves the UK, then Britannia is an independent country out of the EU.

[…]

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:01:07pm

re: #186 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Scotland really isn’t a viable polity on its own

Scotland was an independent country for over one thousand years.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:02:13pm

in the super progressive blogs they don’t understand joe. they keep on saying “no democrats support him” and “he’s only winning in the polls because of name recognition”

they think all democratic voters think like them

joe represents a known path back from the crazy show. trump scares suburbians, and they are the real swing voters. joe’s gaffes make him human and likeable, not manufactured and media-ready. joe doesn’t propose “crazy” super progressive programs, just old fashioned clinton era vague democratic rhetoric about fairness. joe is calm and reassuring. you can even vote for him if you’re usually a republican but are uncomfortable with crazy trump, cuz joe doesn’t hate all republicans, you see, he just wants to get rid of trump

the long and the short of it is that biden figures the swing vote, the vote needed to make the difference, is the middle of the road suburbian vote, and if there is one thing middle of the road suburbians like, it’s bland reassurances that everything will be normal

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:02:23pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was leaving work, on the south side of Greenville, when it hit on the north side. They are saying a tornado touched down on the east side.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:03:19pm

re: #189 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Brexiteers really are reactionaries. From the over-linked and over-promoted (for the actual content) “Conservative Woman” website… which seems to feature mostly articles by men…

The way to a Clean Brexit? Independence from Scotland

I’m sympathetic to Scottish independence personally so if the English/Welsh nationalists want to shoot themselves in the foot over this, that would screw them over since they want to regain Britain’s past power without fully participating in the global community.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:05:48pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:07:59pm

re: #187 DodgerFan1988

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The Eight Stages of Genocide:
1. Classification: Us and Them. Citizens and “Illegal Aliens.”
2. Symbolism: Immigrants as “MS-13 gangbangers, drug smugglers, terrorists.”
3. Dehumanization: “Illegals are leeches, cockroaches, and parasites!”
4. Organization: ICE, Tea Party, Minutemen, Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Identity Evropa.
5. Polarization: Majority of Republicans support mass detentions and deportations.
6: Preparation: Separating migrant families. Throwing them into overcrowded cages.
7. Extermination: “2nd Amendment Solution”
8. Denial: “They’re not concentration camps!” “They deserved it for invading our country!”

Old but great thread:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:10:23pm

re: #190 Scottish Dragon

Scotland was an independent country for over one thousand years.

When the nobles road horses, the masses wore sack clothes, and kilts were more than just counterculture fashion statements.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:12:02pm

re: #195 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Old but great thread:

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That’s correct and why the Are we the baddies comic sketch works so well. It’s easy to reduce the Nazis or any tyrannical regime bent on genocide or democide to comic book villains cackling evilly in an underground lair but the Nazis really thought they were being moral and righteous just as this administration insists it is moral to do what they are.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:13:29pm

re: #186 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Brexiters really are extreme reactionaries and they now control the Tory party:

UK risks Scotland split, more austerity after a no-deal Brexit - Hammond

Scotland really isn’t a viable polity on its own. As part of the EU it would be one of the smaller states and dependent upon a lot of support from the populous EU states.

But if the Brexiters get what they want, then so be it.

TBH I disagree. It would be a transition for them after being part of the UK for centuries but there are smaller EU Republics that function fine.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:18:22pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

TBH I disagree. It would be a transition for them after being part of the UK for centuries but there are smaller EU Republics that function fine.

Small nations do work today, but as part of larger communities.

The transition of Scotland away from England may be an idealism that just isn’t tractable. I can’t imagine the economic impact of relocating millions of people, if the new England/Wales in the grip of Brexiters doesn’t want foreigners on their soil.

The switch to the Euro would be radical but manageable, but I bet many Scots would be quite unhappy with how poor they will end up being.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:22:40pm

For those who missed today’s new on Teegarden’s star:

Two Earth-Like Worlds Found Orbiting a Red Dwarf Only 12.5 Light-Years Away

I always gripe about “Earth-like” and there that phrase is again in a headlines.

The two planets are Earth-similar in mass. Their actual nature is unknown.

From the actual paper:

Because no transits are detected, we cannot derive the planetary radii. We therefore estimated them from mass-radius relations for various compositions (Zeng et al. 2016). The planetary radii depend weakly on the planetary mass, but strongly on the bulk composition (Fig. 12). Between the two extreme compositions, namely a pure Fe core on the one side and a cold H+He mini-Neptune on the other, the radii differ by a factor of about three (see Fig. 12). We used these radii as well as other stellar and planetary parameters to derive the Earth Similarity Index (ESI) as defined by Schulze-Makuch et al. (2011). The ESI is an indicator that compares key parameters to those of our Earth (ESI⊕ = 1). Here we used the weighted ESI, taking into account the equilibrium temperature, atmospheric escape velocity, bulk density, and radius, with a dominant contribution from the equilibrium temperature. The weights were taken from the Habitable Exoplanet Catalog12. Except for the case of a miniNeptune composition, the two planets have a high ESI. For a
potentially rocky composition, the ESI value is 0.94 and 0.8 for planets b and c, respectively. This makes Teegarden’s Star b the planet with currently the highest ESI value. However, the ESI is only an estimate, and different weighting of the parameters may lead to changing ESIs. This ESI definition, for example, does not take into account the stellar spectral energy distribution and the resulting planetary atmospheric composition, which very likely have an effect on habitability.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:23:34pm

re: #199 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Small nations do work today, but as part of larger communities.

The transition of Scotland away from England may be an idealism that just isn’t tractable. I can’t imagine the economic impact of relocating millions of people, if the new England/Wales in the grip of Brexiters doesn’t want foreigners on their soil.

The switch to the Euro would be radical but manageable, but I bet many Scots would be quite unhappy with how poor they will end up being.

It’s a tough pickle the Scots face since their values seem to be at odds with England, Wales, & Northern Ireland. The problem I had with how opposing independence was sold is that Scots were told they would remain in the EU if they remained part of the UK. And that didn’t happen. I’m just saying I don’t feel any empathy to nationalists who thought EU withdrawal would benefit their country and then they’d see the negative economic ramifications of leaving.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:24:55pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

TBH I disagree. It would be a transition for them after being part of the UK for centuries but there are smaller EU Republics that function fine.

I am curious — would there be any benefit for Scotland and Ireland to form some type of bi-national union?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:26:02pm

Still, it’s neat that there are Earth-mass planets so close to our own system.

The star is close, less than 13 light years away, but it is about as small as stars can come, so it is very faint.

Teegarden’s star is a recent discovery. Our galaxy may be overflowing with these types of stars.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:28:55pm

re: #202 Hecuba’s daughter

I am curious — would there be any benefit for Scotland and Ireland to form some type of bi-national union?

It’s an interesting thought but I would worry sectarianism could develop. The cultures are similar but not completely close enough to blend like that. However the growing secularism in both I think helps lessen division.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:30:30pm
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mmmirele  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:34:31pm

re: #175 gocart mozart

Nutjob art

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If only Goya would rise from his grave and curse out this guy, as “The Third of May 1808” is a classic.

On the other hand, at least this MAGAnut didn’t paint Melania as either “The Nude Maja” or “The Clothed Maja.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:34:37pm

re: #202 Hecuba’s daughter

I am curious — would there be any benefit for Scotland and Ireland to form some type of bi-national union?

Well, someone might learn to play the feckn’ pipes.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:35:49pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

It’s a long way to the top….

IT’S A LONG WAY TO THE TOP (IF YOU WANNA ROCK ‘N’ ROLL) - AC DC

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:36:25pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

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One of the weirdest fucking experiences of my life was finding out that one of the men in the little Primitive Baptist Church in my grandparents’ small Georgia town (pop. 300) at my grandfather’s funeral was Herman Eugene Talmadge. This was early 1980s. I know that most of my southern family (mom’s from said-GA town but married my Illinois dad and moved north where I was born) employed black workers but had strict rules about interactions. For both of my grandparents’ funerals, a large portion of the black community came out, but they stood outside the church dressed in funerary black suits. Anyway, that legacy is kind of why my mom felt she had to leave the south; my grandfather’s connection to Talmadge is unclear, but I have no doubt he held the same beliefs about segregation.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:36:32pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

That’s correct and why the Are we the baddies comic sketch works so well. It’s easy to reduce the Nazis or any tyrannical regime bent on genocide or democide to comic book villains cackling evilly in an underground lair but the Nazis really thought they were being moral and righteous just as this administration insists it is moral to do what they are.

The myth of the “Good German” is largely that, a myth that was conceived in post-war Germany to allow those who’d participated in the horrors a means of defending their actions. So much of it came from the need of the former Allied nations to rehabilitate their German counterparts in order to build up West and East Germany as part of the Cold War. We scoff today at the “Nuremberg Defense,” but for many of the soldiers, sailors, and airmen who went on to form the nucleus of the new German armed forces, it was accepted as a valid excuse to ignore their war-time exploits. Likewise government officials and businessmen who’d taken part in the regime who weren’t drug off to the gallows got to spin themselves post-war as “quiet dissenters,” who’d wanted so badly to bring down the Reich but lived in constant fear of death or worse.

Really, if we hadn’t had to turn Germany into the frontlines of a potential WWIII, it’s very likely that we would have spent a generation de-Nazifying the entire nation, as it would have taken that long or longer to undo all the crap crammed into the heads of the children born into the Reich.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:37:05pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:38:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:38:22pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Well, someone might learn to play the feckn’ pipes.

We spell whiskey right. Sorry SD. Plus Colcannon > Haggis.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:39:16pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Maybe I didn’t follow the whole thing closely enough, but I don’t remember AOC being the first to bring up the Nazis in regards to concentration camps.

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:40:07pm

re: #190 Scottish Dragon

Scotland was an independent country for over one thousand years.

In a very different economic situation where they didn’t import food or energy. Now it would be much more difficult for a separate Scotland.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:40:25pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Chuck does his masters’ bidding, his masters being Comcast and NBCU, who have a long history of being in business with Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:40:50pm

re: #209 Barefoot Grin

One of the weirdest fucking experiences of my life was finding out that one of the men in the little Primitive Baptist Church in my grandparents’ small Georgia town (pop. 300) at my grandfather’s funeral was Herman Eugene Talmadge. This was early 1980s. I know that most of my southern family (mom’s from said-GA town but married my Illinois dad and moved north where I was born) employed black workers but had strict rules about interactions. For both of my grandparents’ funerals, a large portion of the black community came out, but they stood outside the church dressed in funerary black suits. Anyway, that legacy is kind of why my mom felt she had to leave the south; my grandfather’s connection to Talmadge is unclear, but I have no doubt he held the same beliefs about segregation.

Gotta say something else: the place she landed, Champaign-Urbana, Il, was no better. They just hid it with redlining. To this day the majority of African-American residents live north of Bradley St. in poor-quality housing. That’s the story TN Coates was testifying about today.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:43:23pm

I suspect some kind of word went out on the Old Boy Network™ to knock this young whippersnapper down a peg or two.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:43:47pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Really, if we hadn’t had to turn Germany into the frontlines of a potential WWIII, it’s very likely that we would have spent a generation de-Nazifying the entire nation, as it would have taken that long or longer to undo all the crap crammed into the heads of the children born into the Reich.

It looks like they did a fairly decent job the way they are. In reality, though, if we hadn’t had to de-Nazify Germany the way we did, we would have done a half-assed job and people would have gotten tired of it here, and we would have left them alone after a while.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:44:25pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

The myth of the “Good German” is largely that, a myth that was conceived in post-war Germany to allow those who’d participated in the horrors a means of defending their actions. So much of it came from the need of the former Allied nations to rehabilitate their German counterparts in order to build up West and East Germany as part of the Cold War. We scoff today at the “Nuremberg Defense,” but for many of the soldiers, sailors, and airmen who went on to form the nucleus of the new German armed forces, it was accepted as a valid excuse to ignore their war-time exploits. Likewise government officials and businessmen who’d taken part in the regime who weren’t drug off to the gallows got to spin themselves post-war as “quiet dissenters,” who’d wanted so badly to bring down the Reich but lived in constant fear of death or worse.

Really, if we hadn’t had to turn Germany into the frontlines of a potential WWIII, it’s very likely that we would have spent a generation de-Nazifying the entire nation, as it would have taken that long or longer to undo all the crap crammed into the heads of the children born into the Reich.

I really never thought about Germany that way but yeah that was a very real possibility.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:45:18pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:45:43pm

re: #215 William Lewis

In a very different economic situation where they didn’t import food or energy. Now it would be much more difficult for a separate Scotland.

I’m fairly certain that Scotland has no worries about importing energy since it’s a world leader in renewables, plus there’s the North Sea oil and gas fields

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:47:03pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

I suspect some kind of word went out on the Old Boy Network™ to knock this young whippersnapper down a peg or two.

She’s everything they hate: young, woman, smart, minority, popular, pretty, and a Democrat.

Every single thing they hate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:47:10pm

re: #219 Belafon

It looks like they did a fairly decent job the way they are. In reality, though, if we hadn’t had to de-Nazify Germany the way we did, we would have done a half-assed job and people would have gotten tired of it here, and we would have left them alone after a while.

We certainly did a brilliant job of changing the hearts and minds of the white supremacists of the Confederacy and their descendants ////

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:48:01pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

TBH I disagree. It would be a transition for them after being part of the UK for centuries but there are smaller EU Republics that function fine.

They have never produced oil from the source rock of the North Sea Basin. Billions of bbls remain in place. They could provide feedstock for the petrochemical industry for a century if it was exploited.

I’m not saying they should, what I’m saying is that that one resource alone makes them viable as an economy.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:48:10pm

re: #215 William Lewis

In a very different economic situation where they didn’t import food or energy. Now it would be much more difficult for a separate Scotland.

Hmm, how would all the off-shore resources and borders come out of a Scotland/England split? And where do the Orkney and Shetlands come in?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:51:17pm

re: #221 lawhawk

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I think I find that element of the Holocaust most horrifying. The Nazis were fanatical zealots but they succeeded due to enough indifference and casual bigotry by their neighbors.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:52:44pm
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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:52:52pm

I just read “The Candy Bombers” about the Berlin Airlift and especially about Gail Halvorson’s choice to break rules, make parachutes out of his hankercheifs and parachute candy to children who had nothing. The airlift and the candy was more successful in fighting communism than any combat operation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:53:13pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I think I find that element of the Holocaust most horrifying. The Nazis were fanatical zealots but they succeeded due to enough indifference and casual bigotry by their neighbors.

Yes, there are definitely some disturbing parallels with 2019 America.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:53:17pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:54:12pm

re: #229 William Lewis

I just read “The Candy Bombers” about the Berlin Airlift and especially about Gail Halvorson’s choice to break rules, make parachutes out of his hankercheifs and parachute candy to children who had nothing. The airlift and the candy was more successful in fighting communism than any combat operation.

The Berlin Airlift was a master class in operations management. Anyone who works in ops should study it.

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mmmirele  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:56:03pm

re: #200 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

For those who missed today’s new on Teegarden’s star:

Two Earth-Like Worlds Found Orbiting a Red Dwarf Only 12.5 Light-Years Away

I always gripe about “Earth-like” and there that phrase is again in a headlines.

The two planets are Earth-similar in mass. Their actual nature is unknown.

From the actual paper:

This star is TINY. It’s mass is 0.08 times that of the Sun. It’s a red dwarf (type M), but barely above brown dwarf status. And the Earth-sized planets? One is in an orbit of just under 5 days and the other is in an 11.4 day orbit. They’re both probably tidally locked, so broiling on one side, freezing on the other. However, the good news is they’re getting better at detecting Earth-sized objects. Remember when planets first started being discovered a quarter-century ago? What astronomers were detecting then were super-Jupiters, pretty close to brown dwarf status.

There’s probably a lot more close by low mass infrared objects nearby, still waiting to be discovered. For example, there’s Luhmann 16, a pair of brown dwarfs 6.5 light years from us, with discovery only announced in 2013. en.wikipedia.org We’re getting better at finding these tiny stars and their planets. I’m old enough to remember when we were told that we’d never direct image a planet around a star because they were too far away for telescopes. That’s changed, too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:56:23pm

re: #190 Scottish Dragon

Scotland was an independent country for over one thousand years.

longer than that

the romans never took it

afaik scotland was always independent until the act of onion

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:56:36pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, there are definitely some disturbing parallels with 2019 America.

Indeed. I’m not saying it will help but enough people are indifferent to or accepting of casual bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 5:57:29pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

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She’s treated like a stupid kid since she’s a young Latina from a modest background in elected office.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:00:07pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

She’s treated like a stupid kid since she’s a young Latina from a modest background in elected office.

A little blunter than my first thought, but pretty much on the dot. The idea that she speaks from “ignorance” and so much be taught what’s “right” by an elder like he.

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mmmirele  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:00:08pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:04:24pm

re: #239 mmmirele

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She did them a disservice? Yeah because comparing people to concentration camp victims is the same as treating them like violent criminals.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:04:52pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:06:36pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:08:35pm

Vise

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:09:13pm

re: #239 mmmirele

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And bear in mind in 1935, there was no Auschwitz. And Kristallnacht was still 3 years away. Americans were still admiring how Hitler had “turned Germany around” and American businessmen were still looking at opportunities to cash in on that economic revival. While Dachau had been built 2 years prior (1933), most of those who were sent there were still “political prisoners” and German communists, while most “undesirables” were being subjected to sterilization or forced to flee.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:09:39pm

re: #241 Dread Pirate

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Because Ivanka is qualified to combat child trafficking.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:10:08pm

Yeah, but fuck them for wanting to abort their rape fetus. The US will never support abortion funding.

PS. Chuck Todd is a c-nt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:10:46pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

And bear in mind in 1935, there was no Auschwitz. And Kristallnacht was still 3 years away. Americans were still admiring how Hitler had “turned Germany around” and American businessmen were still looking at opportunities to cash in on that economic revival. While Dachau had been built 2 years prior (1933), most of those who were sent there were still “political prisoners” and German communists, while most “undesirables” were being subjected to sterilization or forced to flee.

That was when many of the prewar right praised him even if they found the antisemitism over the top.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:12:39pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Because Ivanka is qualified to combat child trafficking.

“It’s so horrible, so wrong…I could be using those kids to make my merchandise!”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:14:22pm

People going off on Chuck (rightfully so) thinks he’s just the host of MTP.

But he’s more than that. He’s the political editor for NBC, meaning he’s not just a host but he’s the one in charge of the content.

That MSNBC has the likes of Maddow is simply down to audience. NBCU has no problem making money off of anyone (see their long relationship with Trump.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:16:13pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

“It’s so horrible, so wrong…I could be using those kids to make my merchandise!”

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Burn

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:17:31pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

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Nowhere Man (Remastered 2009)

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Dread Pirate  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:18:39pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Because Ivanka is qualified to combat child trafficking.

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:19:45pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

Vise

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Nice. Keeping it near your forge and anvil?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:20:12pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

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Off topic, but when I was an exchange student in Japan in 1982 the students in my high school called a bald teacher “No Hair Man.” And this was in rural Japan. The Beatles!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:20:20pm

I think this is why Ivanka infuriates me the most in the family. She tries to sell herself as the kindly and socially conscious Trump. There’s no such thing in that family.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:21:14pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Barron grew up to be a bleeding heart liberal?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:23:55pm

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Barron grew up to be a bleeding heart liberal?

The youngest son of the Nazi governor of Poland is resolutely Anti Nazi but I fear Barron is incredibly sheltered. I hope he turns out or is a decent person but I dunno. I hope so. The only Trumps I don’t hate are him and Tiffany and their nieces and nephews.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:24:45pm

re: #253 William Lewis

Nice. Keeping it near your forge and anvil?

Not mine. I’m still compiling mine will be integrated with a striker anvil as one tool.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:35:50pm

re: #219 Belafon

It looks like they did a fairly decent job the way they are. In reality, though, if we hadn’t had to de-Nazify Germany the way we did, we would have done a half-assed job and people would have gotten tired of it here, and we would have left them alone after a while.

We should have “De-Confederated” the South in the same way that we “De-Nazified” Germany.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:36:15pm

And I’m blocked

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:36:36pm

Pouring down rain again. I ran out to check the gauge about 20 minutes ago, and called in that there was another .81” (in addition to the .91” earlier this afternoon).
Still raining but the water is ankle deep in my front yard so I won’t check that gauge again until morning.
My old Honeywell wireless gauge says we’ve gotten 1.39” (that would include the .81”)

Looks like we’ve broken 10” for the month (more than 6” of that since Sunday).

Definitely need a bigger boat.

Oh, NWS issued a Flash Flood Warning right after I called them.

Gonna be a fun night…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:38:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:39:00pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

We should have “De-Confederated” the South in the same way that we “De-Nazified” Germany.

I think we were in the process of it but then the Election of 1876 happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:40:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:40:37pm

re: #260 gocart mozart

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Reagan race baited like Trump did and was an ally of McCarthyism. He was much more authoritarian friendly than the left he liked to deride as authoritarian.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:44:50pm

The never Trump conservatives don’t acknowledge that Trump’s predecessors- men they admire like Reagan, Buckley, The Bushes all in some way helped make the right we have today that embraced Trump.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:45:19pm

This is a good plan

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:45:26pm

oh dear

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:47:10pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear

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Disappointed with Biden’s response. This reminds me of Bernie using his participation in Civil Rights matches to dispel criticism of his civil rights leadership lacking skill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:48:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:50:20pm

I just wish Biden could see why praising Eastman and Talmedge, two staunch segregationists would bother people. Biden’s gotta realize that while they may have worked on some issues that put the nation’s interests before their own, they were unabashed and unapologetic segregationists and much of their political career was based on that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:50:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:52:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:52:31pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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People dying in concentration camps is the cumulation of interning people without respect for human rights. The people in camps didn’t get there without years of justifying their dehumanization and making them pariahs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:52:57pm

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. It’s a fauxrage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:56:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2019 • 6:57:33pm

Where is the “racist bone” located in the people whose skeletons contain it?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:00:42pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

Where is the “racist bone” located in the people whose skeletons contain it?

Somewhere “up” in the pelvis I’d imagine.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:00:42pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It ended with the death camps. And children have already died. Children have already been traumatized and why? Because Trump wants to treat immigrants like murderers.

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:00:43pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

Where is the “racist bone” located in the people whose skeletons contain it?

Alternatively, can it be a typo, that it should be “racist boner”?
Semi-/// *ducks for cover*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:01:39pm

I’m shocked, you?

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:03:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:04:19pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m shocked, you?

Of course. He supported the opposition when Maduro looked like he could be ousted so he could take credit.

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marcusgorillius  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:05:44pm

Does anyone know what the House Intelligence Committee is doing about getting all their subpoenas enforced? What the hell is going on?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:08:48pm

Yikes!
Train carrying bombs, hazardous material derails in Nevada

A train carrying munitions and hazardous material derailed in Elko County, Nevada, on Wednesday morning.

The crash happened just before noon local time near Interstate 80 about three miles east of the city of Wells.

The Nevada Highway Patrol said the derailment involved about nine flat cars, two tankers and three box cars, but the number of cars that went off the tracks has not yet been confirmed. No injuries have been reported.

Rear cars believed to be carrying munitions, hand grenades, sodium nitrate and bombs stayed on the tracks, according to public safety officials in Elko.

“Looters in giant pickups were seen fleeing toward the Bundy Ranch.”
Ok, I made up that last part.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:09:03pm

The parallels between the Third Reich and the Trump regime.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:11:59pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a very rough conversion, but 10 inches of powder snow is equal to an inch of rain. So you folks in the backwoods have received 100 inches of powder snow equivalent just this month. That’s a lot of water.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:12:22pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I think we were in the process of it but then the Election of 1876 happened.

The problem started sooner than that; Lincoln/Grant were committed to reconstruction, but Andrew Johnson not so much.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:14:14pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:15:06pm

EEK! Flood stage at the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers at Cairo is 40 feet. It’s expected to crest at 49.5 feet this weekend.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:16:36pm

On Fox, Ingram has a graphic stating “AOC’s ignorance of history.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:16:52pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The public perception of the Holocaust as being only the systemic killing of Jews is largely because of decades of Americans (and, indeed, must of the West) being uncomfortable with addressing the means by which the Reich made the killing seem not only necessary but beneficial. After all, the period in which we quietly dropped de-Nazification coincides with the Red Scare, which was a period in which we as a nation declared even having liberal thoughts was tantamount to betrayal of our sacred “American values.” Even today, our school children generally only get a cursory overview of the events of the 20th century, with Nazi subjugation of “undesirables” largely condensed into the highlights (Kristallnacht & death camps) so as to devote more time earlier in the school year to how awesome our Founding Fathers were.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:18:07pm

re: #288 sagehen

The problem started sooner than that; Lincoln/Grant were committed to reconstruction, but Andrew Johnson not so much.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:19:00pm

re: #291 Belafon

On Fox, Ingram has a graphic stating “AOC’s ignorance of history.”

The network that let Glenn Beck compare everything Obama did to Hitler is calling AOC ignorant. Also same lady who gave a Nazi like salute to Trump and accuses ethnic minorities of the same stuff that Goebells did.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:21:39pm

@AOC is probably the best politician today to wind up the crazies. I love it! I hope she stays in national politics for a long time.

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:22:35pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Not mine. I’m still compiling mine will be integrated with a striker anvil as one tool.

Ah! That would be good.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:24:10pm

re: #289 gocart mozart

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They want to paint the Southern Democrats as liberals. They weren’t. Even reformer types like Jimmy Carter weren’t. Carter is a good man but he wasn’t a liberal for his era.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:25:02pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:27:02pm

A big ol’ ratio…..

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:27:48pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

EEK! Flood stage at the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers at Cairo is 40 feet. It’s expected to crest at 49.5 feet this weekend.

I wonder if they’re going to open the Old River Control Structure again this year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:27:59pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:30:16pm

re: #300 teleskiguy

I wonder if they’re going to open the Old River Control Structure again this year.

Whoops! I meant the Morganza Spillway just down river. It’s only been opened twice, once in 1993 and once in 2011.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:32:03pm

re: #298 gocart mozart

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Yep and those Republican areas like the ones that once elected more Conservative Democrats started electing Democrats after the Rockefeller Republicans retired, died, or were primaried. Civil Rights wasn’t due to the Democratic Party. It was due to liberals in both parties who thought federally protected civil rights were more important than states having the rights to be bigots. Gee those who remember the same sex marriage debate, who is that.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:32:18pm

Has there need any conversation on this. 1st I’ve heard of it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:32:21pm

Fuckface Von Clownstick is a racist. Exhibit #183456372367534

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:33:06pm

re: #305 teleskiguy

Fuckface Von Clownstick is a racist. Exhibit #183456372367534

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He’s never wrong. Just ask him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:37:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:38:46pm

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

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JFC

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:39:16pm

Good evening! We’re back from a few days at Lassen Nat’l Park. There was still a lot of snow at higher elevations and the Park Rd. had just been cleared but wasn’t open all the way through yet. It meant we were a little more limited in where we could go, but it was a great chance to walk along that road and see everything at 3 mph rather than 35 mph.
There were flowers. Not great sweeps, but some interesting ones.

Snow plants
Erythronium
steer’s heads
Adorable bee on Mr. C’s finger

The last item is, of course, not a flower, but a very friendly native bee (you can tell he’s male because he has a mustache.)

A fun trip, and family time too, because we took our daughter, son-in-law, son and his fiancee with us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:39:21pm

you’re welcome…

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:42:06pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

Vise

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I wonder what virtue looks like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:42:50pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:43:41pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:44:39pm

Saw this with all the tanks, planes and battle dioramas on a scale model website:
Berlin Wall Section 1/35 scale

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:44:47pm

re: #311 Belafon

I wonder what virtue looks like.

Ba dum pa!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:45:07pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nice to know who’s protecting us.//

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:46:46pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Nice to know who’s protecting us.//

Shrug. I teach my son that even though I have know good cops, he can not trust any cop, any prosecutor, any judge: he is not rich and white. Presume they all are waiting for an excuse to kill and you might actually survive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:46:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:48:32pm

YIKES!

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:49:18pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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YIKES!

Not just big, it’s an ice-mace.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:49:22pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES!

That will NOT buff out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:50:02pm

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That will NOT buff out.

sure will leave a mark, though…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:50:37pm

re: #317 William Lewis

Shrug. I teach my son that even though I have know good cops, he can not trust any cop, any prosecutor, any judge: he is not rich and white. Presume they all are waiting for an excuse to kill and you might actually survive.

I hate that it has to be this way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:52:54pm
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Citizen K  Jun 19, 2019 • 7:56:50pm

Biden was already well behind for me and losing steam in the weeks before this. This is quickly making him a definitive ‘Nope’ for me alongside Bernie. This is some fascinatingly awful and tonedeaf shit he’s peddling here quick.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:00:53pm

re: #239 mmmirele

I would argue that the six immigrant children that have died in custody the last six months were done “a tremendous disservice.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:01:21pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:04:21pm

I drove through Glenwood Canyon today. There’s two rapids in the middle of the canyon, aptly called Upper Death and Lower Death. It looks like milk raging down the canyon, where the term “white water” comes from.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:07:46pm

re: #328 teleskiguy

This is Upper Death Rapid on the Colorado River in Glenwood Canyon.

Creature Craft Upper Death

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:08:29pm

A riotious rant

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Citizen K  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:08:41pm

re: #326 Ace Rothstein

I would argue that the six immigrant children that have died in custody the last six months were done “a tremendous disservice.”

That’s only if you consider them people to begin with.

Again, “Never Again” has quickly become “Never Enough”. There’s no threshold that can be crossed that will get them to say ‘Enough’. The dehumanization has worked, and the unironic internalization of the sentiment of ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ has succeeded. This can’t be a concentration camp because we’re doing it, and because those detained are being treated better than “they” deserve. Thus, we can’t be evil, we can’t be destroying actual lives, we are America, we are Just, and you’re the monsters for saying otherwise.

We are a total moral fucking void at this point, and those in charge will simply double down when challenged, inoculated by our country’s infinite fucking patience with the perfect golden mean and extending the benefit of the doubt only toward one side of the aisle, for all goddamn eternity.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:09:43pm

re: #329 teleskiguy

Those big bridges are Interstate 70, that 12 mile section of highway is the most expensive public works project in Colorado history.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:13:43pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

LMAO!!

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:14:52pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:16:05pm

Off to bed. And there’s a flood warning in this area until 5am. So more rain for Philadelphia as well.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:21:03pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:21:56pm

re: #325 Citizen K

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Biden was already well behind for me and losing steam in the weeks before this. This is quickly making him a definitive ‘Nope’ for me alongside Bernie. This is some fascinatingly awful and tonedeaf shit he’s peddling here quick.

I really hope Joe is not trying to indulge in some kind of half-ass outreach to Trump-loving racists. It seems impossible but these days who knows. Eastland in particular was a terrible example. He was regarded as a rabidly extreme white supremacist even in the 1940s, and his subsequent 30+ years in the senate did little to change him.

During World War II, Eastland vocally opposed and degraded the service of African American soldiers in the war. He incited protests and comparisons to Hitlerism following a vitriolic speech on the floor of the Senate in July 1945, in which he complained that the Negro soldier was physically, morally, and mentally incapable of serving in combat. In contrast, Eastland claimed that the “boys from the South were fighting to maintain white supremacy.”

Same link: Interesting factoid about the 1964 election that I had not been aware of until now:

Although Republican senator Barry Goldwater was strongly defeated by incumbent Johnson, he carried Mississippi with 87.14 percent of the popular vote, which constitutes the best-ever Republican showing in any state since the founding of that party.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:29:55pm

This shit is pretty revolting, tbh

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:33:38pm

re: #336 teleskiguy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:35:45pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

EP5yQprRmuXKhLrbm+4vvHKB/3aCz5aQ7RCDhD60D3GqWs7HD1lxKxhdpB7DXgIs

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:38:02pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:45:45pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

That could cave a skull in. Damn!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:46:12pm

Shoot me now.

Hidden because too long and boring discussion about EC —

An acquaintance who supported Bernie and hates Trump has become a real fan of the Electoral College. Apparently she is one of many who have been duped by Prager University videos and perhaps even read Tara Ross’ magnum opus on how the EC is the best invention since sliced bread. Occasionally, I saw some of Tara’s FB posts and, once in awhile, posted a mild criticism against the EC. The previous day, in a fit of madness, I once again engaged these EC fanatics and decided to criticize Tara directly, claiming that she would have taken the opposite position if the EC favored Democrats. We got into a discussion — she’s very polite (unlike some of her acolytes), but now I’ve been engaging her and another “polite” fanatic about the merits of this deplorable institution. They object to my assertion that part of the rationale for the EC vs direct election was to advantage the slave states in the battle for the Presidency (Tara pointed me to the Daily Signal for information but I demurred with the assertion that the Heritage Foundation was a propaganda mill). I branched out into other flaws of the EC — cannot believe I am wasting time in the hopeless task of educating these fanatics.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:48:39pm
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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2019 • 8:50:57pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

They did such a nice job on it. Preserved all the beauty of the canyon.The sad news is it didn’t get finished until my family moved away from Eagle. Dad did get to go do a tour of it though.

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Ming5000  Jun 20, 2019 • 3:57:36am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Barron grew up to be a bleeding heart liberal?

If Barron is being raised by the staff he has a great chance.


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