Amazing Image of the Day: NASA’s SOFIA Telescope Reveals the Magnetic Field Keeping Milky Way’s Black Hole Quiet

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Credits: Dust and magnetic fields: NASA/SOFIA; Star field image: NASA/Hubble Space Telescope

Streamlines showing magnetic fields layered over a color image of the dusty ring around the Milky Way’s massive black hole. The Y-shaped structure is warm material falling toward the black hole, which is located near where the two arms of the Y-shape intersect. The streamlines reveal that the magnetic field closely follows the shape of the dusty structure. Each of the blue arms has its own field that is totally distinct from the rest of the ring, shown in pink.

Behold, the latest image from NASA’s Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, SOFIA, overlaid on a Hubble Space Telescope image of the center of the Milky Way galaxy, showing the gigantic magnetic fields that are apparently keeping the black hole at its heart from gobbling up our entire galaxy.

Supermassive black holes exist at the center of most galaxies, and our Milky Way is no exception. But many other galaxies have highly active black holes, meaning a lot of material is falling into them, emitting high-energy radiation in this “feeding” process. The Milky Way’s central black hole, on the other hand, is relatively quiet. New observations from NASA’s Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, SOFIA, are helping scientists understand the differences between active and quiet black holes.

These results give unprecedented information about the strong magnetic field at the center of the Milky Way galaxy. Scientists used SOFIA’s newest instrument, the High-resolution Airborne Wideband Camera-Plus, HAWC+, to make these measurements.

“This is one of the first instances where we can really see how magnetic fields and interstellar matter interact with each other,” noted Joan Schmelz, Universities Space Research Center astrophysicist at NASA Ames Research Center in California’s Silicon Valley, and a co-author on a paper describing the observations.  “HAWC+ is a game-changer.”

Previous observations from SOFIA show the tilted ring of gas and dust orbiting the Milky Way’s black hole, which is called Sagittarius A* (pronounced “Sagittarius A-star”). But the new HAWC+ data provide a unique view of the magnetic field in this area, which appears to trace the region’s history over the past 100,000 years.

Details of these SOFIA magnetic field observations were presented at the June 2019 meeting of the American Astronomical Society and will be submitted to the Astrophysical Journal.

The gravity of the black hole dominates the dynamics of the center of the Milky Way, but the role of the magnetic field has been a mystery. The new observations with HAWC+ reveal that the magnetic field is strong enough to constrain the turbulent motions of gas. If the magnetic field channels the gas so it flows into the black hole itself, the black hole is active, because it is eating a lot of gas. However, if the magnetic field channels the gas so it flows into an orbit around the black hole, then the black hole is quiet because it’s not ingesting any gas that would otherwise eventually form new stars.

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162 comments

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steve_davis  Jun 21, 2019 • 2:53:02pm

or sagitarrius A star star f***er, to be technically precise.

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 2:54:01pm

Before this gets CL’d, since this is kinda important…

Yeah, no biggie, just Trump using the power of his position to threaten someone with credible accusations against him with full retaliation of the law on his simple fucking say so.

He honestly believes himself to be some untouchable god-king. And so much of our political establishment have enabled this exact worldview.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 2:57:02pm

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:03:50pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:05:28pm

re: #2 Citizen K

Before this gets CL’d, since this is kinda important…

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Yeah, no biggie, just Trump using the power of his position to threaten someone with credible accusations against him with full retaliation of the law on his simple fucking say so.

He honestly believes himself to be some untouchable god-king. And so much of our political establishment have enabled this exact worldview.

She said she saved the coat she was wearing, so is there DNA on it?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:05:47pm

please tell me this will hurt hannity

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:05:55pm

re: #4 Scottish Dragon

Trump’s reaction to this picture….

It’s a faaaaaake

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:07:22pm
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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:12:25pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

She said she saved the coat she was wearing, so is there DNA on it?

Quite possibly, if preserved properly.

Unfortunately, outside of twitter, the reactions I’m seeing almost all border between “this is too convenient’ too ‘LYING BITCH!’ with almost no benefit of the doubt extended toward her.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:12:47pm
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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:13:57pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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IT’s almost like the ‘nothing is real, nothing has consequences’ part isn’t TV corrupting Trump, but Trump corrupting TV. “John Barron” anyone?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:15:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:15:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:16:09pm

This is Tom Nichols trying to blame Trump on liberals again. He’s being a bit more subtle about it this time, but that’s what he’s doing.

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:17:47pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

This is Tom Nichols trying to blame Trump on liberals again. He’s being a bit more subtle about it this time, but that’s what he’s doing.

To be a Liberal or a Dem in this country, once again, is to be to blame and considered guilty for everything, even your opponent’s sins. Somehow, somewhere, it has to be your fault, because you’re you, and the more you fight it, the more guilty you’re considered even when you prove your entire goddamn innocence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:18:13pm

re: #9 Citizen K

Quite possibly, if preserved properly.

Unfortunately, outside of twitter, the reactions I’m seeing almost all border between “this is too convenient’ too ‘LYING BITCH!’ with almost no benefit of the doubt extended toward her.

He is bulletproof.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:18:38pm

A response to a comment from below:
re: #403 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s the new incel republican party where women are either ‘hillarys’ or ‘melanias’

It’s not just incels who react like that. Before the 2016 election, I was waiting for my car to be serviced at the dealer and got involved in a discussion with two elderly gentlemen (they were even older than ancient me!). One of them kept on comparing Hillary, who he described as really ugly — so why would a man want to remain faithful to her? — to Melania, who was absolutely stunning. My guess is that these old guys admired any older man who could catch and keep a young model (of course that’s because he allegedly has money). These misogynists limited their evaluation of women to appearance only. These are the ones who would never vote for a woman for President, because women are meant to be subservient.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:22:24pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

But who is going to do something about it?

Anyone? Bueller?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:27:47pm

Re: The new Trump rape allegation:

Carroll says that she disclosed the Trump incident to two friends at the time. One, whom Carroll describes as “a journalist, magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books, etc.,” told her to go to the police: “‘He raped you,’ she kept repeating when I called her. ‘He raped you. Go to the police! I’ll go with you. We’ll go together.’” The other, who is also a journalist, was sympathetically cautious: “‘Tell no one. Forget it! He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.’”

It’s a completely different set of rules for the rich and powerful.

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:29:40pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Re: The new Trump rape allegation:

Carroll says that she disclosed the Trump incident to two friends at the time. One, whom Carroll describes as “a journalist, magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books, etc.,” told her to go to the police: “‘He raped you,’ she kept repeating when I called her. ‘He raped you. Go to the police! I’ll go with you. We’ll go together.’” The other, who is also a journalist, was sympathetically cautious: “‘Tell no one. Forget it! He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.’”

It’s a completely different set of rules for the rich and powerful.

“But why did she wait so long, clearly this timing is suspicious therefore she must be lying” is the response.

Because no one wants to admit that the rules are different, even as they persist in ensuring the rules are even more lopsided and different than before.

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stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:35:02pm

re: #15 Citizen K

To be a Liberal or a Dem in this country, once again, is to be to blame and considered guilty for everything, even your opponent’s sins. Somehow, somewhere, it has to be your fault, because you’re you, and the more you fight it, the more guilty you’re considered even when you prove your entire goddamn innocence.

And it’s why a lot of liberal thinkers look at what’s happening and say that they can’t support democratic candidates because they’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s as if republicans have no blame - they’re just being who they are.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:35:39pm

re: #20 Citizen K

“But why did she wait so long, clearly this timing is suspicious therefore she must be lying” is the response.

Because no one wants to admit that the rules are different, even as they persist in ensuring the rules are even more lopsided and different than before.

Proof, rationales or not, nothing changes from this reveal. The GOP has sold its soul, and there are no refunds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:37:47pm

Deplorable mindset

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:42:01pm

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Deplorable mindset

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That’s my brother’s standard response —- how many refugees are you willing to host at your home? Trumpsters have no compassion for anyone they don’t know personally and they are the most gullible people you will meet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:43:51pm

re: #24 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s my brother’s standard response —- how many refugees are you willing to host at your home? Trumpsters have no compassion for anyone they don’t know personally and they are the most gullible people you will meet.

Why is “YOUR HOUSE” the alternative to CONCENTRATION CAMPS. How about let them find their own housing like refugees and immigrants have done for generations?

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:52:52pm

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

A response to a comment from below:

It’s not just incels who react like that. Before the 2016 election, I was waiting for my car to be serviced at the dealer and got involved in a discussion with two elderly gentlemen (they were even older than ancient me!). One of them kept on comparing Hillary, who he described as really ugly — so why would a man want to remain faithful to her? — to Melania, who was absolutely stunning. My guess is that these old guys admired any older man who could catch and keep a young model (of course that’s because he allegedly has money). These misogynists limited their evaluation of women to appearance only. These are the ones who would never vote for a woman for President, because women are meant to be subservient.

Except we know she wasn’t really a model, she was a “model”. She never had a comp card, and there’s no way in hell any professional model didn’t have such a thing.

The only early pictures they released of her, supposedly her “portfolio”, are the kind of pics one sees on an escort website.

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DangerMan  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:58:22pm

it’s pepperoni pizza night!

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:59:05pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Why is “YOUR HOUSE” the alternative to CONCENTRATION CAMPS. How about let them find their own housing like refugees and immigrants have done for generations?

Because their mindset is there’s only two options: detention or deportation. They’ve been totally convinced that A) every refugee is actually an “illegal immigrant” and B) those “illegals” will disappear completely into the American population unless detained until they can be deported.

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Cheechako  Jun 21, 2019 • 3:59:49pm

Today is summer solstice. Here’s what the daylight hours are here in Alaska:

Summer solstice is a big deal in Alaska. Almost a State holiday. Lots of “running at midnight races” along with a mid-night baseball game in Fairbanks.

And finally, with the official beginning of summer, we are having some nice weather. Sunny, with the temps in the mid 70’s. This spring has been downright damp and cool. Most days have been cloudy with sprinkles and some heavier showers. Daytime temps in the 50’s and low 60’s. Until today, the nights have been cold (40’s) and even with 18 hours of daylight, it’s been very uncomfortable to sit outside in the evening (bugs or no bugs).

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:09:37pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

He is bulletproof.

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Fucking heartbreaking.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:10:56pm

re: #30 MsJ

In normal times, this is the end of a presidency. Today, nobody bats an eye.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:19:16pm

re: #27 DangerMan

it’s pepperoni pizza night!

Nope. It’s kir royale and I’m hammered as fuck night. 😁😁😁😂😂😂🍾🍾🍸🍸

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SteelPH  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:20:34pm

re: #31 Ace Rothstein

In normal times, this is the end of a presidency. Today, nobody bats an eye.

Or attacks the victim.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:22:31pm

re: #27 DangerMan

it’s pepperoni pizza night!

No pineapple?

/

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:23:02pm

re: #31 Ace Rothstein

In normal times, this is the end of a presidency. Today, nobody bats an eye.

Because only one party in this country is ever held accountable for anything. The other is allowed to skirt by under presumed good faith that’s extended forever, because to do otherwise is to break the idea that ‘both sides same thing’.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:23:42pm

re: #24 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s my brother’s standard response —- how many refugees are you willing to host at your home?

Once again a Trump fan revealing that helping someone else is the worst fate they can imagine.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:25:37pm
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jeffreyw  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:25:42pm

re: #27 DangerMan

it’s pepperoni pizza night!

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:27:27pm

re: #37 jaunte

There will be hundreds if not thousands of deaths over the next few months in these hellholes.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:28:46pm

re: #39 Ace Rothstein

What happens when you let untrained guards decide if children are “sick enough” to get medical attention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:29:39pm

re: #20 Citizen K

“But why did she wait so long, clearly this timing is suspicious therefore she must be lying” is the response.

Because no one wants to admit that the rules are different, even as they persist in ensuring the rules are even more lopsided and different than before.

Didn’t matter then, doesn’t matter now.

Women who are raped are the ones on trial if they speak out even when it happens: What were you wearing? Why were you there? Why, Why, WHY??? It’s all your fault and why are you ruining this young man’s future?

In some states they even have to give their rapists custody/visitation rights.

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stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:33:24pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t matter then, doesn’t matter now.

Women who are raped are the ones on trial if they speak out even when it happens: What were you wearing? Why were you there? Why, Why, WHY??? It’s all your fault and why are you ruining this young man’s future?

In some states they even have to give their rapists custody/visitation rights.

I think there are only two states that give the rapist custodial rights. I was horrified to find out that MN was one of them.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:35:54pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:36:00pm

re: #40 jaunte

What happens when you let untrained guards decide if children are “sick enough” to get medical attention.

Part of me wants to assume Hanlon’s razor applies, that these guards have no medical training and so go off “common sense” by assuming kids complaining about “not feeling well” is attention-seeking behavior.

The other part of me wants to conclude that these assholes don’t give a shit one way or another, that they’re simply paid to do a job and so if kids die on their watch, it’s somebody else’s problem and thus somebody else’s fault.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:36:07pm

re: #30 MsJ

Fucking heartbreaking.

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the most telling thing in a part I read earlier is that she really couldn’t tell if his penis penetrated her all the way or only part of the way.

I could see how a tiny penis guy who has no idea how to use a tiny penis to a woman’s advantage could let something like that happen.

And three minutes or less?

Oh yeah…

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:37:28pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

If a child tells me they’re not feeling well, I’m just going to assume that they’re telling the truth.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:38:07pm

“It’s not a death camp! Yeah, we’re creating conditions that contribute to injury, illness, and death, but it’s not like we’re gassing them!”

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:39:07pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

I think they understand what their leadership wants them to do.

“…Trump spoke dismissively of arresting officers who protect suspects’ heads while putting them in police cars in a speech in front of law enforcement on Long Island.

He said: “You can take the hand off,” drawing cheers from his audience.”
pbs.org

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:39:19pm

I’ll say it again. If the people coming here from Mexico and Central America where white, we’d be putting them in Hiltons.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:44:48pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:47:15pm

re: #46 Ace Rothstein

If a child tells me they’re not feeling well, I’m just going to assume that they’re telling the truth.

I usually do as well, but the difference is I don’t work around children on a daily basis and so I’m usually inclined to believe one when they do come to me. But I do work in an industry where I hear a lot of complaints, and eventually “Cry Wolf” syndrome sets in. For example, the number of morons who leave a “Do Not Disturb” sign on their door all day, and then complain that housekeeping left for the day without cleaning their room.

That said, I have no doubt that these guards are probably also under the understanding, if not explicit orders, to avoid sending kids to see the medics unless they’re practically dead. Why? Because they’re under pressure to run these camps on the cheap and that means cutting as many corners as possible.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:49:50pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

“Because they’re under pressure to run these camps on the cheap and that means cutting as many corners as possible.

Like lives.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 4:59:21pm

re: #52 Ace Rothstein

“Because they’re under pressure to run these camps on the cheap and that means cutting as many corners as possible.

Like lives.

Pretty much. When you reduce matters to dollars and cents, a dead kid is less expensive than a sick one.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:00:10pm
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DangerMan  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:01:45pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

No pineapple?

/

Nevah!

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:02:56pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:04:21pm

My security guard friend in Lubbock says he and his co-workers have been approached by recruiters who apparently work for some ICE contractors. They are particularly looking for Spanish language proficiency and correctional (prison) experience. The pay is quite good. In the security biz that usually means major shit to deal with, especially on an unarmed job.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:05:31pm

re: #55 DangerMan

Nevah!

Attaboy!

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:05:46pm

re: #56 jaunte

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Because they continue to believe if they inflict maximum cruelty upon these refugees, they’ll simply stop coming and America will “safe.” That’s why they quibble about the labels involved, but seem to be (at best) indifferent to the suffering involved.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:06:55pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:15:05pm

re: #49 Ace Rothstein

I’ll say it again. If the people coming here from Mexico and Central America where white, we’d be putting them in Hiltons.

Nah. We’d be stuffing them 6 to the room on the Lower East Side.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:15:36pm

re: #60 jaunte

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:16:04pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:19:40pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:20:34pm

re: #64 Patricia Kayden

Someone figured it out.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:23:38pm

re: #54 gocart mozart

The Charlie Rose interview was (1995) a couple years before the incident, this is 2017. I know it’s 20 years later but does she seem like a different person, or is it just me?

E. Jean Carroll Shares the Most Shocking Advice Questions She has Received | ELLE

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:29:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:32:15pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

The Charlie Rose interview was (1995) a couple years before the incident, this is 2017. I know it’s 20 years later but does she seem like a different person, or is it just me?

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For some of us who have been raped, yes, we seem like different persons 20 years or whatever timeframe.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:36:00pm

re: #67 Ace Rothstein

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More realistic assessment: Trump didn’t call off the attack until he got wind of just how fucked he’d look for starting a war over a damned drone.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:36:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:39:59pm
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:41:06pm
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:42:41pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:45:38pm

The same people who are now rushing to declare E. Jean Carroll a “liar” because she “waited so long” are the same ones who still believe to this day that Juanita Broaddrick has absolutely no reason to lie about being raped.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:48:11pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

The first woman has it all together, a Manhattan professional woman from central casting. The second is an eccentric woman who I sense suffer from bouts of depression.

The first one reminds me of Tea Leoni

Tea Leoni returns to TV in “Madam Secretary”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:51:22pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:53:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:56:12pm
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 5:56:41pm
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:00:46pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:03:15pm

re: #79 jaunte

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It has Miller’s name written all over it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:03:34pm

re: #79 jaunte

I’m spreading the word in my circle to anyone that may get caught up in this. Don’t answer your door. Or skip town for the week.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:07:50pm

Kiss bye-bye to the USA as we once knew it….

Detroit Free Press: Dean calls noose found at University of Michigan hospital ‘symbol of hate’

Law enforcement authorities at the University of Michigan are investigating the discovery Thursday of a noose at University Hospital.

In a message to faculty and staff, Marschall Runge, dean of the University of Michigan Medical School, executive vice president for Medical Affairs and CEO of Michigan Medicine, said the “symbol of hate and discrimination” was found at the workstation of two employees.

“We have taken immediate action to have this investigated as both an act of discrimination and a criminal act of ethnic intimidation,” Runge said. “This act of hate violates all of the values that we hold dear and will not be tolerated.”

Heather Young, public information officer for the university’s Division of Public Safety and Security, said an employee found the noose at 11:25 a.m. on a desk in a staff area at the hospital.

“There (are) some leads that we have” in the investigation, she said Friday night. No further details were released.

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Old Liberal  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:11:37pm

re: #83 Eric The Fruit Bat

Kiss bye-bye to the USA as we once knew it….

Detroit Free Press: Dean calls noose found at University of Michigan hospital ‘symbol of hate’

Shit, this is exactly the US I’ve always known.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:14:22pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Shit, this is exactly the US I’ve always known.

😢😢😢😭😭😭

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:21:48pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:26:10pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t matter then, doesn’t matter now.

Women who are raped are the ones on trial if they speak out even when it happens: What were you wearing? Why were you there? Why, Why, WHY??? It’s all your fault and why are you ruining this young man’s future?

In some states they even have to give their rapists custody/visitation rights.

Let us not also forget this.

Gay/Trans panic defense

The State I live in (Idaho) still allows this.

Yep, we can be killed just for being who we are.

This is by no means an attempt to diminish from the trauma a CIS woman goes through by being raped. It is instead meant to show the inherent bias given toward CIS men in these cases.

If the attacker is a CIS male, they get the benefit of the doubt.

Always.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:29:53pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Hahaha!!

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:30:59pm

“The illegals have no one to blame but themselves for breaking the law!”

I hate conservatives who justified locking up babies and children in gulags, with a capital H. I hate them.

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Old Liberal  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:35:27pm

re: #85 MsJ

😢😢😢😭😭😭

My personal life was easy because I’m white and male.
But I was born during the McCarthy hearings.
I saw the violence and resistance against integration in the south.
I saw the MLK marches and the dogs and the church bombings.
I saw the riots before and after the murder of MLK
I saw Nixon’s southern strategy.
I saw white flight in response to school integration
I saw Reagan kick off his campaign in Philadelphia MS
I saw the entire south convert to Republicanism thanks to Atwater et al
I heard Bush I say that atheists couldn’t be trusted
I saw Karl Rove and Luntz demonize minorities with their dog whistles
I saw what the entire Republican party and most of the white people did to Obama.
Every decade these asswipes somehow gain power and and try to turn back the clock, and so far they are eventually pushed back under the rock. But not forever unfortunately.

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Skip Intro  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:37:17pm

Trump awards himself Medal of Freedom for saving Iranian lives.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:38:08pm

Those 4 babies would be dead if it weren’t for the lawyers demanding emergency medical care.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:41:45pm

Ok….

Anyone else with me here in thinking this whole strike mission was concocted bullshit?

I don’t think any of it happened at this point. Just another sham.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:41:48pm

Night Lizards.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:43:34pm

re: #93 Dave In Austin

Ok….

Anyone else with me here in thinking this whole strike mission was concocted bullshit?

I don’t think any of it happened at this point. Just another sham.

Someone on Twitter thought Bolton leaked it to the press to force trump into war with Iran.

That resonated with me.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:45:13pm

re: #95 MsJ

Someone on Twitter thought Bolton leaked it to the press to force trump into war with Iran.

That resonated with me.

The alternate explanation I heard was that it was a Nixonian “Mad Man” play, i.e. the idea of making Iran believe Trump so crazy that he might launch an unprovoked attack at any time, that the only way they can avoid such is to accept his terms.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:46:02pm

re: #87 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Let us not also forget this.

Gay/Trans panic defense

If the attacker is a CIS male, they get the benefit of the doubt.

Always.

It’s almost impossible to touch this without trampling your valid fears and hurt. But it is a hard-won victory in our system that any doubt must benefit the accused, no matter the gender or orientation. That’s what separates us from the Inquisitors/Gestapo/NKVD.

The application in RL police work is another story.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:47:32pm

I’m convinced that Trump’s upcoming war with Iran will a distraction from the genocide he’s about to unleash on immigrants.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:52:38pm
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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:54:00pm

re: #90 Old Liberal

My personal life was easy because I’m white and male.
.

This remains true.

I gave 16 years to Uncle Sam in US Army Olive Drab because even though I was a socialist I believed that everyone owes the nation for what we were given as children. Before I could be an adult and perform my role as a citizen, I believed I should give back to the nation.

At 16 years my body could no longer handle being an Infantry NCO. And it was during the Clinton draw down, so I knew I would not get a medical without major fights despite my two permanent profiles. So I took my honorable discharge and use the VA for my medical needs to this day.

But my son is from Vietnam. He looks like the Native Americans around here who are jailed for no good reason even faster than African Americans even though our state jails more African Americans than any motherfucking other.

As I said the other day - I teach John that he can not trust any cop. He can not trust any prosecutor. He can not trust any judge. They _will_ kill him if they have an excuse. I have known good men and women who are good cops. Yet if it is a dark night and his skin is dark and his hair long, straight and black? Even those “Good Cops” will shoot first and ask questions of the corpse later. And every fucking one of them will claim they were “scared”. < spit >

I am a white CIS male. I may well be a bisexual person but those earlier two mean that I am very privileged.

My son is not.

I was a socialist in 1980 long before my son was born in 2002. But he is why I remain one despite the flaws of socialism - because those flaws are still less evil than the flaws of capitalism as we see by comparing Sweden to the USA. Only as a socialist can I live up to the actual message of Christ Jesus in the bible.

I will fight this fight till the day I die for that reason.

Amen.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 6:59:53pm
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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:03:02pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

The alternate explanation I heard was that it was a Nixonian “Mad Man” play, i.e. the idea of making Iran believe Trump so crazy that he might launch an unprovoked attack at any time, that the only way they can avoid such is to accept his terms.

That credits trump with thought and strategy concepts he doesn’t have. He’s go apeshit if anyone beneath him did anything to make him look bad. I don’t see that as a viable explanation myself.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:07:33pm

re: #102 MsJ

That credits trump with thought and strategy concepts he doesn’t have. He’s go apeshit if anyone beneath him did anything to make him look bad. I don’t see that as a viable explanation myself.

The problem with the Bolton explanation is that the NYT story has Maggie on the byline, and she’s too dedicated to being Donny’s fluffer to risk her access to palace intrigue circuit by being Bolton’s puppet. And even if you say “Well, Bolton relayed it through a third party,” she’d still feel compelled to call up her sources closer to the Don to corroborate.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:11:50pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

The problem with the Bolton explanation is that the NYT story has Maggie on the byline, and she’s too dedicated to being Donny’s fluffer to risk her access to palace intrigue circuit by being Bolton’s puppet. And even if you say “Well, Bolton relayed it through a third party,” she’d still feel compelled to call up her sources closer to the Don to corroborate.

I might agree with you except they Maggie has been brutal to trump after he asked Russia for help again.

Could be. Maybe not. But trump and strategy in the same sentence is like oil and water… They just don’t go together.

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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:13:14pm

re: #104 MsJ

I might agree with you except they Maggie has been brutal to trump after he asked Russia for help again.

Could be. Maybe not. But trump and strategy in the same sentence is like oil and water… They just don’t go together.

At which point, we really should just go with Hanlon’s razor and assume things went by the usual script: Donny acted out of stupidity and ego, got caught, and is now trying to cover his ass by seeking approval for not doing something.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:17:30pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

At which point, we really should just go with Hanlon’s razor and assume things went by the usual script: Donny acted out of stupidity and ego, got caught, and is now trying to cover his ass by seeking approval for not doing something.

Just because Trump is hapless, doesn’t mean others can’t be. For example, someone wanting Trump to fire Bolton would leak to the press.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:19:15pm

re: #93 Dave In Austin

Ok….

Anyone else with me here in thinking this whole strike mission was concocted bullshit?

I don’t think any of it happened at this point. Just another sham.

Doesn’t seem likely — there are just too many people involved in carrying out that kind of attack. (DT has talked before about troop movements that weren’t happening and been caught out almost immediately.)

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:19:19pm

Aren’t they on our Terrorist list?

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:19:36pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

At which point, we really should just go with Hanlon’s razor and assume things went by the usual script: Donny acted out of stupidity and ego, got caught, and is now trying to cover his ass by seeking approval for not doing something.

That’s actually my take, too. Typical trump ineptitude.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:23:06pm

Good evening. I’m pleased to see Trump didn’t start a war overnight. He remains an idiot, however.

On a personal note, I got my first Shingrix shingles vaccine yesterday. I spent this afternoon lying down, absolutely exhausted. Not sick, not sleepy, just absolutely no energy. Apparently this is what is described as “fatigue” amongst the various possible side effects. One in six people get side effects that are debilitating for 2 or 3 days.
If you’re over 50, by all means get your Shingrix-no one wants shingles, but you might consider not doing it right before you need to do something important. Can’t wait to see what happens after the second one in a couple months…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:23:10pm

re: #108 Dread Pirate

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Aren’t they on our Terrorist list?

Formerly. We dropped them in 2012 per wiki.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:29:17pm

re: #105 Targetpractice
Just think of all the oil-priced derivatives in the market getting called when oil hits $500/barrel - and with Trump, he won’t be able to lift a finger to fix the mother of all market crashes once Tehran says “no more oil”….

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:30:48pm

re: #112 Eric The Fruit Bat

Just think of all the oil-priced derivatives in the market getting called when oil hits $500/barrel - and with Trump, he won’t be able to lift a finger to fix the mother of all market crashes once Tehran says “no more oil”….

What about the opposite scenario, oil becoming worthless or a liability? Like some in-your-face climate crisis effect?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:35:41pm

re: #113 Teukka

What about the opposite scenario, oil becoming worthless or a liability? Like some in-your-face climate crisis effect?

That would have to be one big-arse climate change event - like say, a nuclear winter?

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:36:26pm

re: #112 Eric The Fruit Bat

Just think of all the oil-priced derivatives in the market getting called when oil hits $500/barrel - and with Trump, he won’t be able to lift a finger to fix the mother of all market crashes once Tehran says “no more oil”….

$500/barrel would make gasoline cars impossible to drive.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:40:12pm

It’s the gray Pacific, live:

Nautilus Live | Channel 1 Stream

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:40:12pm

re: #114 Eric The Fruit Bat

That would have to be one big-arse climate change event - like say, a nuclear winter?

Either big effects much sooner than expected, on a smoking gun which ends up ratting out the climate skepdicks.

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CleverToad  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:43:39pm

re: #110 calochortus

Good evening. I’m pleased to see Trump didn’t start a war overnight. He remains an idiot, however.

On a personal note, I got my first Shingrix shingles vaccine yesterday. I spent this afternoon lying down, absolutely exhausted. Not sick, not sleepy, just absolutely no energy. Apparently this is what is described as “fatigue” amongst the various possible side effects. One in six people get side effects that are debilitating for 2 or 3 days.
If you’re over 50, by all means get your Shingrix-no one wants shingles, but you might consider not doing it right before you need to do something important. Can’t wait to see what happens after the second one in a couple months…

Got my second shot a couple of weeks ago, first shot last fall.
Don’t recall exhaustion as a noticeable side effect, but I was a caregiver for years, exhaustion was my default setting. First shot, sore arm and a low-level flu-ish feeling for a few days; second shot, really sore arm for almost a week but had an abscessed tooth flare up so that masked any other symptoms.

Worth it anyway. I had a mild case of shingles about age 50 and they manifested in the left optic nerve. Do NOT want to do that again.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:43:50pm

The results are in

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:52:05pm

re: #118 CleverToad

Got my second shot a couple of weeks ago, first shot last fall.
Don’t recall exhaustion as a noticeable side effect, but I was a caregiver for years, exhaustion was my default setting. First shot, sore arm and a low-level flu-ish feeling for a few days; second shot, really sore arm for almost a week but had an abscessed tooth flare up so that masked any other symptoms.

Worth it anyway. I had a mild case of shingles about age 50 and they manifested in the left optic nerve. Do NOT want to do that again.

Not everyone gets any or all of the side effects (of course.) Glad to hear you didn’t have the debilitating symptoms. It is only 1 in 6 and I just got lucky. Not. My brother didn’t have anything like my reaction to his shots.
And as you say-way better than shingles.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:52:11pm

re: #118 CleverToad

Got my second shot a couple of weeks ago, first shot last fall.
Don’t recall exhaustion as a noticeable side effect, but I was a caregiver for years, exhaustion was my default setting. First shot, sore arm and a low-level flu-ish feeling for a few days; second shot, really sore arm for almost a week but had an abscessed tooth flare up so that masked any other symptoms.

Worth it anyway. I had a mild case of shingles about age 50 and they manifested in the left optic nerve. Do NOT want to do that again.

Lucky me then, I noticed nothing from the shot.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:55:14pm

re: #121 Dread Pirate

Lucky me then, I noticed nothing from the shot.

Lucky you indeed. I don’t usually get more than a sore arm from vaccines. Now, medications? I get side effects. Lots of side effects. Fortunately, I’m also sensitive to the therapeutic effects as well, so I can usually get away with a low dose.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2019 • 7:58:29pm

Oh God.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:00:01pm

re: #123 DodgerFan1988

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Oh God.

She’s an idiot. Perhaps we just shouldn’t let American tourists reenter the country either.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:00:24pm

re: #123 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Oh God.

Diseases most developed countries have vaccinations programs against. And yeah, numbers inflated. *sighs*

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:01:42pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:02:56pm

re: #123 DodgerFan1988

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Oh God.

What do you expect from a woman who gave a Nazi salute to Donald Trump.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:03:33pm

re: #125 Teukka

Diseases most developed countries have vaccinations programs against. And yeah, numbers inflated. *sighs*

And immigrants? They tend to want all the vaccines they can get for their kids because they have seen the diseases. My daughter the pediatrician who works for a local county says her immigrant patients’ parents are All About Vaccination. (“Isn’t there some other needle you can jab into my kid on this visit???”)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:04:12pm

re: #123 DodgerFan1988

Trump already tried this when he was campaigning, warning about ebola and bringing in people for treatment (in Texas.)

It’s part of the parcel of tricks to get the marks to keep foaming.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:09:07pm

Yesterday I commented, negatively, about the new Fox network game show Spin The Wheel.

As is usual, there are people on IMDB giving it a “10” on the rating scale, but only a few. There are only 14 ratings so far, which is probably a sign that this network show is not going to last long. I gave it a “3” as did someone else.

Anyway, it’s on Hulu if you really want to watch it.

Thing is, the host, Dax Shepard, apparently is somewhat popular in Hollywood circles and he is long-time married to Kristen Bell so he has gotten quite a bit of attention. He’s probably a great guy (at least from the interviews), but he’s saddled with a game show that is dubious in value.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:16:32pm
Question: What separates “Spin the Wheel” from other game shows on TV right now?

Dax Shepard: First and foremost, there’s no other show where you could win $23 million. I bet it’s one of the few game shows where the network is in the control room panicking, genuinely worried they’re going to lose their jobs. So I’d say the stakes are much higher financially, and then the fact that I’m not a conventional host. There are easily 5,000 people who are more handsome and much better at reading a teleprompter than me, but I’m truly interested in the contestants and (open to) asking less-than-normal questions.

The Fox executives would never greenlight the show if there was an even remote chance of winning $23M, even if that is theoretically possible. I suppose I could try to put together a simulation of the game and generate a chart of the probability of winning $N in a game, but I bet N is only a few hundred thousand dollars at the peak of the distribution.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:18:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:20:38pm

“Eva Braun-nose”

That is perfect.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:20:42pm

re: #132 gocart mozart

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So, the proper way to deal with people riddled with diseases is to put them all together in unsanitary, overcrowded conditions, then have people (guards and other workers) mix with them and then go home to their families? Interesting plan.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:20:49pm

My point above being Any strike mission is going to have a casualty assessment as an a or b be lit point at the front of the package.

This nonchalant asshole is with his “I was sitting here thinking……” bullshit.

He’s trying to look benevolent now. “Look at all the Iranians I saved because robot!”.

Sorry , this gets a Lovett (Yeah! That’s the Ticket!) from me on this one.

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mmmirele  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:24:59pm

re: #134 calochortus

So, the proper way to deal with people riddled with diseases is to put them all together in unsanitary, overcrowded conditions, then have people (guards and other workers) mix with them and then go home to their families? Interesting plan.

I believe that’s how Anne Frank died. Of typhus. While crammed together with other women in an unheated barracks at Bergen-Belsen. The parallels, they can’t be ignored.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:25:27pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:25:32pm

Current Mood

Iframe

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:26:02pm

re: #130 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thing is, the host, Dax Shepard, apparently is somewhat popular in Hollywood circles and he is long-time married to Kristen Bell so he has gotten quite a bit of attention. He’s probably a great guy (at least from the interviews), but he’s saddled with a game show that is dubious in value.

I like Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell so much that I even love their commercials.

And I’m BEYOND!!EXCITED!! that there’s more Veronica Mars on the way.

140
jaunte  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:32:01pm

re: #130 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’d never heard of him before the other night when he was on a late night show talking about The Big Wheel. He was pretty funny about the absurdity of the show premise.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:34:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:37:04pm
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:38:28pm

I just got followed on Twitter by the bassist, @forneylawrabbit, of the band Booty and the HoeFish, who is also a defense attorney in Forney: facebook.com. It looks like they cover 90s music (which makes the name obvious). Looking at his tweets and replies, he’s worth following:

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:39:37pm

re: #140 jaunte

I’d never heard of him before the other night when he was on a late night show talking about The Big Wheel. He was pretty funny about the absurdity of the show premise.

His biggest role is being Kristen Bell’s husband. His second best role, to me, is the Astronaut in Zathura.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:39:51pm
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:40:19pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:43:53pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:44:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:45:54pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

My point above being Any strike mission is going to have a casualty assessment as an a or b be lit point at the front of the package.

This nonchalant asshole is with his “I was sitting here thinking……” bullshit.

He’s trying to look benevolent now. “Look at all the Iranians I saved because robot!”.

Sorry , this gets a Lovett (Yeah! That’s the Ticket!) from me on this one.

What’s really wild is that he’s so used to just forcing people to knowingly adopt his lies as gospel that it doesn’t even occur to him that tacitly slandering the professionalism of top Pentagon officers to save his own face will erode morale.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:47:23pm

re: #147 Dread Pirate

“You mean something LIVES in there?!”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:53:16pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 21, 2019 • 8:53:26pm

re: #147 Dread Pirate

Brave was the dog who first ate a clam.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:03:08pm

re: #147 Dread Pirate

That is a big ass clam.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:08:42pm

re: #153 MsJ

That is a big ass clam.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:10:50pm

re: #154 Dread Pirate

Uhm… What is that?

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:12:14pm

re: #155 MsJ

Uhm… What is that?

Geoduck clam.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:13:07pm

re: #155 MsJ

Uhm… What is that?

… or penis clam if you prefer.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:17:49pm

re: #157 Dread Pirate

… or penis clam if you prefer.

Well, that’s certainly what it looks like. Flaccid thing it is.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:20:04pm

re: #158 MsJ

Well, that’s certainly what it looks like. Flaccid thing it is.

Have you seen the fat innkeeper?

We had a fun marine biology class in college.

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:34:09pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

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Because ALL newborn babies look like Winston Churchill.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:37:46pm

re: #159 Dread Pirate

Have you seen the fat innkeeper?

[Embedded content]

We had a fun marine biology class in college.

Jeez. I guess.

I’m going upstairs.

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Broad With Sass  Jun 21, 2019 • 9:41:57pm

re: #110 calochortus
Your first one sounds like my second one, but it was worth it. I work at an ALF, and one of the residents has had shingles outbreaks twice..and I won’t go through it


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