Donald Trump’s Imaginary History of the National Debt

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The President of the United States is frighteningly disconnected from reality, and appears to be conducting a series of reckless trade wars based on hallucinations.

It takes only a minute of simple research to find out that this entire tweet is wrong, even the words “and” and “the.”

In reality, the United States has carried a national debt since its very first days as a country, except for one year, 1835, when Andrew Jackson paid the entire debt by selling off massive amounts of Western land and vetoing public infrastructure projects like a national highway system. By January 1836, the US was carrying a debt again and it has never gone away.

President Eisenhower paid for the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 without increasing the debt by imposing gas and vehicle taxes, but in that year the national debt stood at $273 billion.

And just to top off this Trumpist layer cake of fantasy history, it should also be noted that Trump’s enormous tax cuts for the super-rich have added more than two trillion dollars to the national debt. That’s “trillion” with a T, as in Trump.

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398 comments

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:55:40am
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jeffreyw  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:58:52am

Sunday dinner

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:58:55am

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:01:18am
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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:01:51am

Paying off the debt also played into the panic of 1836, especially since the US wa left without a National bank. 7 years of deflation due to 2nd most economic illiterate to infest the White House.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:02:31am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

acIEbhrK7m+a1HNWPQgHOyzpPKT2OmLG

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:03:48am

Pence is another Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:10:45am

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:11:20am

because, of course…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:12:56am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:28:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:31:24am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:31:50am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the woman who should be President of the USA not the sorry excuse of a con-man who is in office.

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:36:20am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

because, of course…

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Donald Trump wants to hold next G7 summit at his Florida golf resort

Is there literally no other place in the country the G7 could meet that wouldn’t benefit you directly financially?

There’s no place as good as your failing golf club?

Oh wait, now I see…..

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:37:16am

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

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“This claim is false” = it’s a lie

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:39:43am
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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:40:53am

re: #15 DangerMan

“This claim is false” = it’s a lie

Oh wait you previously reported that it’s false…
So it was a deliberate lie

What the hell is wrong with you people?
Did you forget what journalism is?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:42:42am

re: #17 DangerMan

Oh wait you previously reported that it’s false…
So it was a deliberate lie

What the hell is wrong with you people?
Did you forget what journalism is?

their “journalism” is all about celebrity access

without access, no ratings

without ratings, no advertising

without advertisers no budget

without budget no jobs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:48:06am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:52:49am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:53:38am
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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:11:19pm

Remember GOP haranguing about flip flops? Trump just did a Flip Flop Assault.

Ahem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:12:18pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:15:26pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Very cool.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:16:27pm

what did they mix together to get that amazing effect?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:18:41pm

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what did they mix together to get that amazing effect?

I have no idea

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:19:24pm

what do we have to do to get members of congress to go down to the detention centers and get the tv cameras to show the shocking conditions of filth and overcrowding that we are holding children and other refugees in, and loudly proclaim it a crime against humanity?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:19:28pm

Add another contender.

Admiral Sestak just entered the Democratic Presidential race.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:21:41pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what do we have to do to get members of congress to go down to the detention centers and get the tv cameras to show the shocking conditions of filth and overcrowding that we are holding children and other refugees in, and loudly proclaim it a crime against humanity?

and to get the GOP to own up to all the children who were separated from their families and then “lost” in the system?

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:21:49pm

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what did they mix together to get that amazing effect?

The Oracle speaks.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:22:49pm

re: #28 Joe Bacon 🌹

I knew that name sounded familiar.
en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:22:59pm

actually, I think it’s very sweet

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:25:03pm

re: #28 Joe Bacon 🌹

Add another contender.

Admiral Sestak just entered the Democratic Presidential race.

Who?

Why?

Who?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:26:39pm

re: #31 PhillyPretzel

I knew that name sounded familiar.
en.wikipedia.org

I thought he was a character from Star Trek: Discovery

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:30:52pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy crap, what a goal!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:33:22pm

re: #35 plansbandc

Holy crap, what a goal!!

I would watch more soccer if there were more of that going on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:50:25pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:55:06pm

Given that The Chuck was basically used by Trump as simply a way to spread lies and not challenge statements that he already knew (or should have known) were false should be he just be called “Chuck Tool” from now on?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 12:58:46pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Given that The Chuck was basically used by Trump as simply a way to spread lies and not challenge statements that he already knew (or should have known) were false should be he just be called “Chuck Tool” from now on?

I call that stenographer Chuck U.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:02:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:09:51pm

Erdogan has lost his grip on Istanbul, even after he demanded a do-over after losing it the first time. Results were worse for him than before. Good.

bbc.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:10:15pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Sunday at RWC HQ poolside.
Cheese and fruit plates.
Bbq Tri tip and roast veggies.
Dessert? Either of-
Frozen Custard ice cream
Vanilla with crushed Thin Mints

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:10:43pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Chuck Toad. Or Chuck Choad.

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:10:46pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

No. Chuck Fool.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:13:07pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:13:29pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Presidential Library reading room. Sponsored by Andy Gump

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jeffreyw  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:19:25pm

re: #42 Rightwingconspirator

Sunday at RWC HQ poolside.
Cheese and fruit plates.
Bbq Tri tip and roast veggies.
Dessert? Either of-
Frozen Custard ice cream
Vanilla with crushed Thin Mints

Crushed ‘nilla wafer berry crumble with vanilla ice cream

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:22:58pm

re: #47 jeffreyw

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Crushed ‘nilla wafer berry crumble with vanilla ice cream

FTR you got me beat on the foodie thing. Nice!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:31:30pm

OT I have a iPad 6th generation and I really like it. Today I got from amazon a Griffin case. I have had these cases in the past and they have provided good protection for my iPad mini and an old iPod. This case looked good when I got it but it does not have the right holes and the provided cover does not snap tight as it should. I even went to their website and I looked carefully at what they had and there is nothing that Griffin has that would fit my new iPad. I have a few good cases and I will stick with those for now. I also have reviewed that item and said it was good but did not fit my iPad. The review has not yet appeared and I am thinking of returning the item. Do you think I am doing the right thing?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:31:52pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

And that’s why I will never watch Chucky. His shows have no journalistic value.

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jeffreyw  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:37:56pm

re: #48 Rightwingconspirator

FTR?

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:38:07pm

re: #47 jeffreyw

GIMME

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:43:22pm

re: #51 jeffreyw

FTR?

For the record

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:51:04pm
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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:56:52pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Whenever someone is putting down “the other” they are talking about people they believe are beneath them. Who do the wealthy consider beneath them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 1:59:26pm

re: #55 Belafon

Whenever someone is putting down “the other” they are talking about people they believe are beneath them. Who do the wealthy consider beneath them.

the really wealthy consider the trumps beneath them…

and that really chaps the moron’s fat orange ass

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:04:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:10:38pm

I love Alice so much

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:12:30pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see why. She is human. :)

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:12:36pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Imagine being so afraid to vote on a climate bill that you physically run away.]

Those elected repubs are willing to break democracy (denying a quorum to the elected Dems) in order to keep breaking the climate, because it’s so profitable.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:13:47pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

I see why. She is human. :)

And lacks the fear to talk about it. Or overcomes it.

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jeffreyw  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:14:01pm

re: #53 Belafon

roger that, thanks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:15:24pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

I see why. She is human. :)

I still laugh out loud remembering her live tweet rant during the bogus sex education presentation at her son’s high school

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:18:04pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I remember, not that long ago, when Texas Democrats fled to Oklahoma to deny Republicans a quorum. I’m not entirely sure what they were blocking, but it might have been redistricting.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:20:30pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still laugh out loud remembering her live tweet rant during the bogus sex education presentation at her son’s high school

If you don’t think people can make changes, that rant and its consequences are proof they can.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:23:41pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought he was a character from Star Trek: Discovery

I was trying to remember if the green lizard people from Land of the Lost had a navy.

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:25:56pm

re: #64 Belafon

I remember, not that long ago, when Texas Democrats fled to Oklahoma to deny Republicans a quorum. I’m not entirely sure what they were blocking, but it might have been redistricting.

It happened in Wisconsin too when Walker screwed over the state employees. The Democrats took off to deny the quorum while protesters flooded the state capitol grounds. Ed Schultz showed up to try to grab the spotlight.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:43:24pm

Tapper is so much better at his job than you know who:

Mike Pence repeatedly refuses to say climate crisis is a threat to US

[…]

“What I will tell you is that we will always follow the science on that in this administration,” the vice-president said, in answer to CNN State of the Union host Jake Tapper’s first posing of the question.

Tapper responded: “The science says it is.”

“But what we won’t do,” said Pence, “and the Clean Power Plan was all about that, was hamstringing energy in this country, raising the cost of utility rates for working families across this country.”

Tapper interjected: “But is it a threat?”

[…]

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:45:23pm

Chuck the Press works pretty well.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:46:44pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

the really wealthy consider the trumps beneath them…

and that really chaps the moron’s fat orange ass

They’re right, too. Trump is a disreputable and nasty tool to them.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:51:59pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

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Sunday dinner

Nice dishes. Looks like old restaurant wear. Who made ‘em? My fave is Shenango. The green stripe is my Mr. w’s ‘pattern’. Pref. double stripe. Shenango.

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 2:58:31pm

Trump:

“I don’t like losing. I haven’t lost very much in my life”

Bankruptcies including a casino. Six is it?
Lawsuits …Trump U

And that’s off the top of my head

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:03:02pm

re: #49 PhillyPretzel

OT I have a iPad 6th generation and I really like it. Today I got from amazon a Griffin case. I have had these cases in the past and they have provided good protection for my iPad mini and an old iPod. This case looked good when I got it but it does not have the right holes and the provided cover does not snap tight as it should. I even went to their website and I looked carefully at what they had and there is nothing that Griffin has that would fit my new iPad. I have a few good cases and I will stick with those for now. I also have reviewed that item and said it was good but did not fit my iPad. The review has not yet appeared and I am thinking of returning the item. Do you think I am doing the right thing?

If it doesn’t fit, sure.

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Jay C  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:05:01pm

re: #49 PhillyPretzel

OT I have a iPad 6th generation and I really like it. Today I got from amazon a Griffin case. I have had these cases in the past and they have provided good protection for my iPad mini and an old iPod. This case looked good when I got it but it does not have the right holes and the provided cover does not snap tight as it should. I even went to their website and I looked carefully at what they had and there is nothing that Griffin has that would fit my new iPad. I have a few good cases and I will stick with those for now. I also have reviewed that item and said it was good but did not fit my iPad. The review has not yet appeared and I am thinking of returning the item. Do you think I am doing the right thing?

Absotively.

I had this happen when I had to replace a broken iPad: the case of the “next” generation was *just* different enough that the old (leather) Apple SmartCase wouldn’t fit (literally 1mm longer) - and I had the unpleasant choice of the Apple covers (one model- in ugly black), or third-party. It’s a huge PITA, I know, but just typical of Apple and “their” accessories. Send it back, until you find one that fits right.

PS: I got one from Speck
Not as nice as the old Apple stuff, but decent enough.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:06:11pm

re: #73 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Yes. I am waking up early tomorrow so that I can go to the UPS store in Center City (the owner is a very nice person) and sending it back.

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jeffreyw  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:07:45pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

Nice dishes. Looks like old restaurant wear. Who made ‘em? My fave is Shenango. The green stripe is my Mr. w’s ‘pattern’. Pref. double stripe. Shenango.

Thanks! All of that is Buffalo China restaurant ware except for the small dish top left which is made by the Niagara Co. The single green stripe on all of it, save that one, is, coincidentally, called a Niagara pattern. The double stripe pattern on the Niagara dish is called by another name, what that name is escapes my memory.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:08:07pm

re: #74 Jay C

As I said I have 3 cases already and they do the job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:33:27pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:35:15pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did Chuck press Trump with this question?

If not, why not?

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:50:44pm

Made the mistake of looking at Dinesh D’Stupid’s twitter page. The mashup pic of Trump and Lincoln nearly made me hurl. Is he really that stupid or is it all for the sweet sweet Republican grift?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:52:30pm

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Did Chuck press Trump with this question?

If not, why not?

hahahahahahahaaaaa

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:53:34pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not sure I agree that this is “grilling” Pence. Tapper’s better than Chuck Todd, but I don’t know, this just seems like the bare minimum a journalist should do. And he also let Pence get away with a lot of bullshit.

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sagehen  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:55:44pm

re: #72 DangerMan

Trump:

Bankruptcies including a casino. Six is it?
Lawsuits …Trump U

And that’s off the top of my head

He didn’t lose in any of those bankruptcies.

His investors, his bankers, his employees, his customers, his vendors, the cities who’d cut him special deals to get him to locate there, the market analysts who’d dared tell the truth about his project’s likely result… they all lost a lot. A LOT. But he didn’t lose. He walked away with “consulting fees” and “go-away-money” from banks who preferred to avoid an ugly public battle that would put their own judgment into question.

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:57:53pm

re: #83 sagehen

It would have been nice for people to have held him accountable. Then he wouldn’t be tearing the country apart right now.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2019 • 3:59:36pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

It is a pity we cannot get this reporter (yes I know he is dead) to question DT or Pence.
en.wikipedia.org

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:00:24pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pence is not the administration. //

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:02:47pm

re: #83 sagehen

He didn’t lose in any of those bankruptcies.

His investors, his bankers, his employees, his customers, his vendors, the cities who’d cut him special deals to get him to locate there, the market analysts who’d dared tell the truth about his project’s likely result… they all lost a lot. A LOT. But he didn’t lose. He walked away with “consulting fees” and “go-away-money” from banks who preferred to avoid an ugly public battle that would put their own judgment into question.

Yes I know that he fleeced them all

Still you run the ship and it sinks that’s on you

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:03:45pm

re: #80 plansbandc

Made the mistake of looking at Dinesh D’Stupid’s twitter page. The mashup pic of Trump and Lincoln nearly made me hurl. Is he really that stupid or is it all for the sweet sweet Republican grift?

It can only be both.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:07:23pm

re: #80 plansbandc

Made the mistake of looking at Dinesh D’Stupid’s twitter page. The mashup pic of Trump and Lincoln nearly made me hurl. Is he really that stupid or is it all for the sweet sweet Republican grift?

Dimwit D’Stupid will do anything to keep that sweet sweet Wingnut Welfare money flowing into his pocket!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:10:09pm
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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:17:28pm

Chuck the Press has to be knowingly taking part in access journalism. The only question is cowardice or greed driving the decisions. Or both.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:24:25pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

The reaction is called the “elephant’s toothpaste.” There are various descriptions, such as thoughtco.com.

The overall equation for this reaction is:

2 H2O2(aq) → 2 H2O(l) + O2(g)

However, the decomposition of the hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen is catalyzed by the iodide ion.

H2O2(aq) + I-(aq) → OI-(aq) + H2O(l)

H2O2(aq) + OI-(aq) → I-(aq) + H2O(l) + O2(g)

The dishwashing detergent captures the oxygen as bubbles. Food coloring can color the foam. The heat from this exothermic reaction is such that the foam may steam. If the demonstration is performed using a plastic bottle, you can expect slight distortion of the bottle from the heat.

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mmmirele  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:31:15pm

Well, today’s protest in front of Apologia Church didn’t go well. It was boring for about 20 minutes, then the kids came out and started peppering me with questions. I suspect people were not thrilled with my signs, which basically said that “You are not pro-life if you think women who have abortions should be executed” and “You are not pro-life if you teach your children that women who have abortions should be executed.” I got into one woman’s face because she repeatedly told me I was going to hell (in various ways). Got it all on video, of course.

I’m going back in about 30 minutes (end of service) with two new signs, which I’m going to tape to my SUV’s windows.

They pissed off the wrong woman.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:36:49pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Honey Badger don’t give a shit.

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b.d.  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:40:16pm

Nice to see that the “alt-right trolls” finally did something right:

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mmmirele  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:42:42pm

re: #93 mmmirele

The good news is I posted about this to FB, said what had happened, said I was going back in a few minutes and one of my new coworkers thanked me for going out there! Wow! (I forgot she was following me on FB.)

ETA: Just saw the bit about Barrett Brown. I thought he was so left that he was right? Or am I mistaken?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:45:27pm

re: #95 b.d.

Nice to see that the “alt-right trolls” finally did something right:

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Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. He was also posting a lot of personal info about CEOs of the companies he was on an extended rant about, and I think that’s a more likely reason.

I won’t be joining any “support Barrett Brown” movement. As far as I’m concerned I’d be happy to never hear about him again, the scumbag.

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b.d.  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:51:45pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. He was also posting a lot of personal info about CEOs of the companies he was on an extended rant about, and I think that’s a more likely reason.

I won’t be joining any “support Barrett Brown” movement. As far as I’m concerned I’d be happy to never hear about him again, the scumbag.

fingers crossed, what a horrid human being

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DangerMan  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:52:26pm

re: #93 mmmirele

Well, today’s protest in front of Apologia Church didn’t go well. It was boring for about 20 minutes, then the kids came out and started peppering me with questions. I suspect people were not thrilled with my signs, which basically said that “You are not pro-life if you think women who have abortions should be executed” and “You are not pro-life if you teach your children that women who have abortions should be executed.” I got into one woman’s face because she repeatedly told me I was going to hell (in various ways). Got it all on video, of course.

I’m going back in about 30 minutes (end of service) with two new signs, which I’m going to tape to my SUV’s windows.

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They pissed off the wrong woman.

Sounds to me like it went just fine

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steve_davis  Jun 23, 2019 • 4:59:51pm

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would watch more soccer if there were more of that going on.

In 2015, the U.S. women’s side scored a goal against Japan in which I think Carli Lloyd took the shot from the mid-field circle against a goalie who got caught too far out. Just pretend that the men don’t have a team and concentrate on the women’s games. They’re way more skillful and entertaining.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:06:08pm

More Live

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:07:46pm

OH HAI we are back at the Holiday Inn Express in Clearfield, PA after a lovely visit to Wilkes-Barre. It’s such a nice place we decided to stay here again on the way home.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:11:09pm

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI we are back at the Holiday Inn Express in Clearfield, PA after a lovely visit to Wilkes-Barre. It’s such a nice place we decided to stay here again on the way home.

One good turnaround deserves another.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:11:24pm
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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:12:24pm

re: #100 steve_davis

In 2015, the U.S. women’s side scored a goal against Japan in which I think Carli Lloyd took the shot from the mid-field circle against a goalie who got caught too far out. Just pretend that the men don’t have a team and concentrate on the women’s games. They’re way more skillful and entertaining.

Very much the real Beautiful Game. Next Spain then France…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:14:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:17:34pm

re: #95 b.d.

Nice to see that the “alt-right trolls” finally did something right:

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But he’s still on Facebook…

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:19:01pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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Time for a blink tag on the home page?

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:20:52pm

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI we are back at the Holiday Inn Express in Clearfield, PA after a lovely visit to Wilkes-Barre. It’s such a nice place we decided to stay here again on the way home.

Almost into my neck of the woods.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:25:48pm

re: #108 William Lewis

Time for a blink tag on the home page?

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“Nazi Free”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:28:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:37:58pm

so say we all

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:41:17pm

Greenville S.C.

Family gripped with grief over shooting death of toddler: ‘It was an accident’

Whether riding around on toy fire trucks, watching Paw Patrol or chasing the family dogs, 2-year-old Kayden Stuber was rarely apart from his grandma.

Bekki Gunter quit her job to stay in their Greenville home and help raise the boy so her daughter, the boy’s mother, could go to work, Kayden’s grandfather Tim Gunter said in an interview with The Greenville News on Friday afternoon.

“The first thing you’d hear when you wake up, you’d hear him pitter-patter right in my room, ‘Grandma? Papa?’ ” said Tim Gunter. “She would have him in the morning until he went to bed, basically.”

Kayden and Bekki Gunter had just returned home Thursday afternoon when she put her purse on her bed and went into the bathroom, Tim Gunter said.

Inside her purse was a teal-colored Glock pistol.

Within seconds, Kayden managed to unzip the purse, pull the weapon from a holster within the purse and pull the trigger, Tim Gunter said.

The child shot himself in the face, according to Senior Deputy Coroner Kent Dill.

Despite attempts by a family member to stop the bleeding, Kayden died.

“Nobody understands the situation. We’re probably one of the safest families around as far as weapons,” Tim Gunter told The Greenville News less than 24 hours after the shooting.

Tim Gunter said both he and Bekki Gunter are concealed weapon permit holders and trained in firearms safety. They decided to carry firearms in response to crime in the area and wanted to carry protection to feel safer, he said.

The grandfather’s response is just flat out evil.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:44:14pm

The Okeanos Explorer is in the Atlantic this year, and a few days ago started broadcasting again from the rover under the sea. Currently they are off the coast of the SE US.

This little guy was well camouflaged, until the rover got too close and he stood up on his fins to keep his ground:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:44:18pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:53:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 23, 2019 • 5:54:04pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:03:09pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:13:39pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:14:54pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:21:43pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Greenville S.C.

Family gripped with grief over shooting death of toddler: ‘It was an accident’

The grandfather’s response is just flat out evil.

Rolled my eyes so hard I saw my brain.

That poor kid and mom. Grandparents can suck it though.

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can't think of a decent username  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:22:01pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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I doubt y’all would think much of the old Something Awful website/message boards, but as I saw someone point out somewhere on Twitter recently, one of their moderation rules was basically “If we need to ban you, we’ll ban you. We don’t care if you haven’t quiiiiite broken a rule. If you’re an asshole for no good reason, buh-bye.”

Granted, they’re a lot smaller scale than Twitter or Facebook, but it’s a good rule for anyone who has to moderate message boards or comments…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:22:37pm
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Mattand  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:30:09pm

re: #50 Patricia Kayden

And that’s why I will never watch Chucky. His shows have no journalistic value.

I’ve mentioned before how it drives me bonkers that Maddow constantly praises Chuckles for his alleged political acumen. Someone pointed out that he’s her boss, so that may have something to do with it.

Still, I can’t imagine she looks at performances like Todd’s interview with Cheetolini and goes “Great job!”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:31:05pm

Oh joe. No joe.

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Mattand  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:35:12pm

re: #121 Romantic Heretic

Rolled my eyes so hard I saw my brain.

That poor kid and mom. Grandparents can suck it though.

Just read the article. The grandfather is pretty much saying if he has to choose between his grandchild and the Second Amendment, his grandchild is an acceptable loss and he’s Team 2nd Amendment all the way.

God, Americans are the worst sometimes.

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Mattand  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:35:56pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Oh joe. No joe.

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Jesus Christ, even St. Bernie isn’t this fucking tone deaf on race.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:40:58pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:43:55pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:45:04pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:50:22pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Greenville S.C.

Family gripped with grief over shooting death of toddler: ‘It was an accident’

The grandfather’s response is just flat out evil.

Hmm, old white folks haven’t been charged, yet.
Elsewhere

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:52:53pm

Big Props to “Fear the Walking Dead” tonite……

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2019 • 6:54:08pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hmm, old white folks haven’t been charged, yet…

Haven’t they suffered enough???
/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:00:26pm

THREAD

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:00:51pm

re: #133 stpaulbear

Haven’t they suffered enough???
/

Yeah, I always love it when they say that. It’s like the patricide who wails that he’s now an orphan.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:01:02pm

Joe Biden’s foot-in-mouth syndrome is going to sink his campaign. He just doesn’t get a whole lot of things.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:03:48pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Joe Biden’s foot-in-mouth syndrome is going to sink his campaign. He just doesn’t get a whole lot of things.

How come Donald Trump’s foot-in-ass syndrome didn’t sink his campaign? Asking for 7 billion friends.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:04:55pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Joe Biden’s foot-in-mouth syndrome is going to sink his campaign. He just doesn’t get a whole lot of things.

The sooner he’s out the better. I love Joe, as a person, not a candidate. I think he should get a major speaking slot at the Convention (as should Hillary and Barack), but he’s a terrible candidate, and we don’t need someone who is this tone deaf.

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:07:34pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Joe Biden’s foot-in-mouth syndrome is going to sink his campaign. He just doesn’t get a whole lot of things.

Well, it would be best if that was what sank him, but he won’t get out until he gets stomped on in Iowa and New Hampshire. And in the meantime his mouth will continue to hurt Dem chances.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:09:15pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Because we have standards and the media and Trump supporters don’t for any Republicans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:10:39pm

re: #139 William Lewis

Well, it would be best if that was what sank him, but he won’t get out until he gets stomped on in Iowa and New Hampshire. And in the meantime his mouth will continue to hurt Dem chances.

How did this not totally end Trump?

Trump mocks reporter with disability

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:12:53pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

How did this not totally end Trump?

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His supporters get off on being cruel. Only if they’re larger than their victims and outnumber them, of course.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:17:14pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

How did this not totally end Trump?

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It should have, but the right and left are playing by very different rules now.

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:20:26pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

How did this not totally end Trump?

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It spoke to the evil at the heart of the GOP and the rest believed the lies that Hillary was even worse. I can hear people up here in Northern Wisconsin complain about Trump but then turn around and say “but at least She didn’t win. “

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:24:01pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

That is the moment it should have ended. Despicable bully. So many people thought this was fine behavior. Too many loved it.

Just imagine seeing him do that and thinking, Wow! He’ll be a fantastic President.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:27:27pm

My oldest daughter is a raging Democrat and feminist. She said she was inspired by her grandmother (my mother). I am very proud of her.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:30:16pm

re: #5 William Lewis

Paying off the debt also played into the panic of 1836, especially since the US wa left without a National bank. 7 years of deflation due to 2nd most economic illiterate to infest the White House.

Remember, Andrew Jackson is one of Trump’s political heroes… as much as he can have heroes other than himself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:30:40pm

re: #145 plansbandc

That is the moment it should have ended. Despicable bully. So many people thought this was fine behavior. Too many loved it.

Just imagine seeing him do that and thinking, Wow! He’ll be a fantastic President.

As Adam Serwer said, the cruelty is the point.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:33:24pm

re: #147 KGxvi

Remember, Andrew Jackson is one of Trump’s political heroes… as much as he can have heroes other than himself.

Only because he was a “tough guy,” and libruls aren’t fond of him. If he actually knows anything about him, I’ll eat my three-volume Jackson biography (not the bindings, though).

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:33:48pm

The right insists now that Trump never mocked the disabled reporter but it was a leftist smear.

They’re getting worse and worse.

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fern01  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:33:54pm

re: #7 DodgerFan1988

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Pence is another Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic.

Sold his soul for the pot of gold.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:35:04pm

re: #149 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Only because he was a “tough guy,” and libruls aren’t fond of him. If he actually knows anything about him, I’ll eat my three-volume Jackson biography (not the bindings, though).

Well, obviously… as someone here (I believe) suggested, I would pay a lot of money for a pay per view where Trump is interviewed with open ended questions like “tell me everything you know about [insert subject]…” He’s a fucking moron that can’t think beyond 240 characters.

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Archangelus  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:36:35pm

Seriously, fvck Steve King…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:37:14pm

Looks like Robert Plant is is Denver tonite
Yo Bob!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:37:34pm

re: #80 plansbandc

Made the mistake of looking at Dinesh D’Stupid’s twitter page. The mashup pic of Trump and Lincoln nearly made me hurl. Is he really that stupid or is it all for the sweet sweet Republican grift?

It’s my firm belief that he knows the truth and doesn’t care; that he’s a racist to his bones; that his only desire is to persuade the gullible to accept his lies and to convert them to his views.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:38:07pm

I’ve got MSNBC on right now, and there’s a special on about the upcoming Democratic debates. There’s someone on (I’m listening from the other room) and he’s a guy that has prepped many candidates going back to Mondale for debates. He just brought up the thing about Trump hovering over Clinton in the debate in 2016 and how her choice was ignore him or turn around and “go nuts on him.”

I think that’s a false choice though, she could have simply turned around and calmly said something like “Donald, it’s not your turn, sit down.” And then let him make a fool of himself.

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Jay C  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:38:17pm

re: #149 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Only because he was a “tough guy,” and libruls aren’t fond of him.

And for most of the Deplorables, that’s all they need to know…

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Archangelus  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:38:42pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:40:24pm

re: #145 plansbandc

I thought it was over when Trump said that he liked his heroes not be captured. And then I thought it was over when he said that women who have abortions should be prosecuted. And then I thought it was over when…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:42:41pm

breitbarts already preparing the ground

If Trump is “defeated” in the election, it will only be because of illegal votes. We must have a plan in place to keep President Trump in no matter the outcome of the election or we will basically be handing over our country to socialists.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:43:55pm

I say that Trump will not agree to do any debates next year, no matter who the Democrat is.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:44:22pm

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s my firm belief that he knows the truth and doesn’t care; that he’s a racist to his bones; that his only desire is to persuade the gullible to accept his lies and to convert them to his views.

Amazing how many white supremacist hangers-on think those racist attitudes don’t apply to them. Useful idiot.

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:45:38pm

My first shot at fried rice tonight. Trying it in my cast iron griddle.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:45:51pm

re: #160 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

breitbarts already preparing the ground

If Trump is “defeated” in the election, it will only be because of illegal votes. We must have a plan in place to keep President Trump in no matter the outcome of the election or we will basically be handing over our country to socialists.

They should suggest firing on Fort Sumter

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:45:58pm

re: #161 Ace Rothstein

I say that Trump will not agree to do any debates next year, no matter who the Democrat is.

you’re the puppet!!

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:47:17pm

re: #161 Ace Rothstein

I say that Trump will not agree to do any debates next year, no matter who the Democrat is.

The right nominee can spend the general election calling him a chicken and scared and obviously tired. That will rile him the fuck up

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:47:35pm

re: #164 KGxvi

They should suggest firing on Fort Sumter

many breitbarts vaingloriously volunteer to me how eager they are to confront “leftists” in a new civil war

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:50:30pm

Cashmere? Holy shit. Goosebumps.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:54:07pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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News Corp pays multiple places to lock their TVs on Fox News.

I’m glad that the Mom and Pop Italian place I like told News Corp’s stooge to fuck off!

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:54:17pm

re: #168 BigPapa

Kashmir.

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:55:38pm

re: #170 Ace Rothstein

Kashmir.

Don’t make me go all Dinesh D’Souza and deny it endlessly even though evidence abounds because liberals.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:55:40pm

re: #153 Archangelus

Seriously, fvck Steve King…

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Corn Hitler needs to STFU!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 23, 2019 • 7:57:33pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

How did this not totally end Trump?

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Video

To this day my brother denies that Trump was mocking a disabled reporter. My sister and I will challenge him on this and he retorts that we are deluded. The RW media pretends that isn’t what happened at all and that’s where the Trump cult gets its news.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:01:23pm

re: #163 BigPapa

My first shot at fried rice tonight. Trying it in my cast iron griddle.

Mom used to get the LaChoy canned fried rice and doctor it up by slicing boned chicken thighs, draining a can of tiny shrimp and thin strips of ham, toss them in a wok with julienned green pepper and onion slices, fry them up them add the canned La Choy in the wok and last she cracked a couple eggs, fried them in a separate pan then sliced them up put them in the wok and then added bean sprouts. Made a tasty combo Fried rice dish!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:02:21pm

re: #173 Hecuba’s daughter

To this day my brother denies that Trump was mocking a disabled reporter. My sister and I will challenge him on this and he retorts that we are deluded. The RW media pretends that isn’t what happened at all and that’s where the Trump cult gets its news.

to this day a jewish trump supporter friend of mine (i’m jewish too) insists that the six pointed star - a mogen david - imposed over an image of cash next to a picture of hillary, in the image that junior retweeted during the election, can surely only be interpreted as a sheriff’s badge

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:08:41pm

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

Damn. That sounds tasty.

I have Pop’s wok but I’m a new place with a glass top so wok’ing is hard. Been hammering a cast iron griddle a lot lately.

Want to just do a traditional fried rice Hawaiian style with some seared salmon. And I went to a baby shower yesterday and came home with a plate for fresh poke.

Salmon
Fried Rice
two traditional poke
polenta

ice cold mango for dessert

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:10:34pm

re: #160 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

They can whine all they want. Trump isn’t popular and most likely won’t win next November. He can stomp his feet and pout but he’ll have to go just like any other losing President.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:11:28pm

re: #176 BigPapa

I don’t even know if La Choy still makes the canned Fried Rice anymore

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:25:58pm

re: #150 BigPapa

It’s seared into my consciousness forever.

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:27:34pm

re: #160 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

We are going to have armed conflict.

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:30:45pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:32:37pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:41:08pm

BEES BEE ADJACENT BUZZIES

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:42:37pm

Think about how deep the rot is in ICE for them to be totally cool with these camps.

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prairiefire  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:44:05pm

Saw “Hamilton” today, it was very good. A bit hard to keep up with the rapped lyrics, especially LaFayette’s French accent. I can see how it would be difficult to make into a movie as the background set doesn’t change for the length of the play and the revolving stage turns several scenes into more of a tableau.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:47:02pm

re: #180 plansbandc

We are going to have armed conflict.

Defenders of this sort of thing, never ever thought to see that be us.

After assessing 39 children under the age of 18, she described conditions for unaccompanied minors at the McAllen facility as including “extreme cold temperatures, lights on 24 hours a day, no adequate access to medical care, basic sanitation, water, or adequate food.”

All the children who were seen showed evidence of trauma, Lucio Sevier reported, and the teens spoke of having no access to hand washing during their entire time in custody. She compared it to being “tantamount to intentionally causing the spread of disease.”

In an interview with ABC News, Lucio Sevier said the facility “felt worse than jail.”
abcnews.go.com

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:47:08pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

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sagehen  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:49:38pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Also when Haitian slaves had their… revolution? uprising? what do we call it? — and won their independence.

Except that “winning” meant France lost a chunk of valuable territory, and some rich French people lost a bunch of valuable slaves, and France wanted compensation.

In a deal brokered by the US (whose warships were just offshore, within visual range, tapping their feet and frowning), the new nation of Haiti agreed to pay reparations to France in the sum of the entire retail value of everything that was French-owned before the revolution. And of course they didn’t have that kind of cash of hand, but some helpful US banks loaned them the money at what they said was a fair and competitive interest rate, and Haiti could make monthly payments for however long it took to pay off the debt.

It took more than 100 years.

This is a big part of why Haitian economic development is more than 100 years behind what it “should” have been. It’s why they’re such a fucking poor country. Because for more than 100 years, all their economic growth was skimmed off the top and sent to American banks.

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danarchy  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:50:34pm

re: #187 Dave In Austin

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did you expand the image?

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sagehen  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:51:23pm

re: #132 Dave In Austin

Big Props to “Fear the Walking Dead” tonite……

NO SPOILERS!!!!!!!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:53:22pm

re: #187 Dave In Austin

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Sort of can’t put that there since there are very similar looking paper wasps that are pretty chill in comparison to the yellowjackets.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:54:24pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:55:49pm

This is resurrected from yesterday but I think it rates a response:

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Essex council proposes £25.92 ‘lifting charge’ to help elderly up when they fall

local council has defended plans to charge pensioners £26 to help them to their feet if they’ve had a fall at home.

Don’t let Trump hear about this. He’ll privatize the service, then they’ll charge $500 and throw you in a cage if you don’t pay.

re: #59 Belafon

We call that Life Alert.

Er, no. Life Alert and its myriad competitors are just alert and notification companies who summon the relevant responders when a client has an emergency. Unlike the Essex Council they are not in the business of actually coming out to physically pick up people who fall, nor do they charge by the episode.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:56:55pm

Hey, what about us? We actually hunt and feed to out children those annoyingly loud raspy things you people bitch about

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:57:21pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

BEES BEE ADJACENT BUZZIES

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so you insist this ‘dirt dauber’ thing was not designed by H R Giger?

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danarchy  Jun 23, 2019 • 8:57:52pm

re: #194 Feline Fearless Leader

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That is also in the picture if you expand it. You only see the top half in the tweet.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:05:43pm

We had the biggest Pepsis Wasp in the garden the other day. The thing was huge. I also had a tarantula (Ta-ran-tula)….. In the garage. He was in overnite and then left. Just like the rat snake a week or 2 ago. The come, they spend the nite, they go.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:06:20pm

These were the things that sort of scared me when younger. Why does a 1” long wasp need a 4” long stinger?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:06:38pm

re: #138 I Would Prefer Not To

The sooner he’s out the better. I love Joe, as a person, not a candidate. I think he should get a major speaking slot at the Convention (as should Hillary and Barack), but he’s a terrible candidate, and we don’t need someone who is this tone deaf.

As long as he’s out by the actual primaries, I’m fine with him staying in for a while as a decoy target / flak-catcher.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:08:48pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s actually an ova-duct…… They lay eggs under bark of in leaves. If you’ve ever seen galls on oak trees, these types of wasps are the culprits.

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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:09:26pm

OK, this made me cry laugh. Do not read if you offend easily. LMAO (thread)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:11:36pm

re: #200 Dave In Austin

That’s actually an ova-duct…… They lay eggs under bark of in leaves. If you’ve ever seen galls on oak trees, these types of wasps are the culprits.

Yep. Learned that later on. This one in particular goes after the grubs of bark beetles.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:11:45pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

[Embedded content]

These were the things that sort of scared me when younger. Why does a 1” long wasp need a 4” long stinger?

easy

impress the chicks

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:12:36pm

re: #201 plansbandc

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:16:16pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Saw this guy in the timeline. I’m not Jewish, but I would definitely be worried about this guy as someone who can’t take his knowledge of suffering and extend it to others:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:24:40pm

I’m actually thinking about taking up bee culture and honey production here at the Conspiracy Compound. There is a lot to learn, needless to say, and it requires a fairly substantial investment, but I do like the idea. There are some good industry groups and the climate and local environment are well suited for it.
Bee Culture is one of the best special interest magazines out there. I originally became familiar with it because of the extraordinary fact that its linear predecessor publication, known as Gleanings in Bee Culture, scooped the world by publishing the first accurate and detailed account of the Wright Brothers’ first powered flights in 1903.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:24:56pm

I went and saw Godzilla: King of Monsters. If you liked the last one, which I did, you will like this one. We still have big monsters fighting, but I like that they haven’t tried to make it and American style movie where the humans are the heroes. It, to me, feels more like a Japanese story.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:29:12pm

re: #205 Belafon

Saw this guy in the timeline. I’m not Jewish, but I would definitely be worried about this guy as someone who can’t take his knowledge of suffering and extend it to others:

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In other words, he seems very conservative.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:35:15pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:36:12pm

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back around Easter at an arboretum I helped put up a “Bee Barn” which held and partially sheltered a set of student-constructed bee houses which we filled with precut tubes for mason or leafcutter bees to use as nesting space. I was told this past weekend that they have been working out very well and are heavily used.

Which would be a cheaper alternative if you wanted bees about for pollinating and was not concerned about getting wax and/or honey products for your troubles.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:44:48pm
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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:52:38pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Went to a client’s house, first in a long time. Two dozen or so purplish/brown dragon flies all over the driveway doing their thing. Pretty amazing.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 23, 2019 • 9:54:19pm
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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:09:50pm

re: #213 Dread Pirate

Imagine the level of corruption if Trump would have been mayor of NYC in the 90s?

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Dread Pirate  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:20:17pm
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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:21:19pm

re: #214 KGxvi

Imagine the level of corruption if Trump would have been mayor of NYC in the 90s?

Who run Barter Town? Let me tell you, I run Barter Town, I really do.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:21:26pm

I see this shit all the time and I get that people are frustrated but goddamned fucking learn to deal with the reality of the current situation.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:25:43pm

re: #205 Belafon

The Holocaust caused the death of between 25 and 50% of the entire Romani population, but I guess their deaths don’t matter to Shmuley.

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BigPapa  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:48:31pm

re: #218 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Rabbi Schmuley is a regular on Prager. They all worship under the Church of Right Wing Tropes.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2019 • 10:49:01pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:30:30pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:53:47pm

I guess inquiring minds needed to know:

Frozen sperm can survive space travel, preliminary study suggests

Spanish scientists have found that frozen sperm samples are still viable after exposure to simulated space flight, opening up the possibility of an space-based sperm bank.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:55:15pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

How come Donald Trump’s foot-in-ass syndrome didn’t sink his campaign? Asking for 7 billion friends.

Because he is the anti-politician, and even after three years in office, he still successfully sells himself as such.

Biden has a long history of service to his country. To a nation where such a record of service is a detriment, not an asset. Go figure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:56:55pm

re: #177 Patricia Kayden

They can whine all they want. Trump isn’t popular and most likely won’t win next November. He can stomp his feet and pout but he’ll have to go just like any other losing President.

Let us hope.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:59:11pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

BEES BEE ADJACENT BUZZIES

I had to evict a wasps’ nest the size of a grapefruit from my back porch. They are still lingering about looking for it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2019 • 11:59:38pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

[Embedded content]

These were the things that sort of scared me when younger. Why does a 1” long wasp need a 4” long stinger?

to get better wifi reception?

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:10:54am

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:21:28am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:24:54am

There was a lot of outrage over Arthur Laffer being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom the other week. That primarily centred on the idea that Donald Trump was diminishing the meaning of the medal, or this was somehow an aberration.

Over at The Great Orange Satan (Daily Kos), a diarist has listed out the Republican presidents who have awarded such honours, and why they got them (hint, for following conservative orthodoxy).

They have been doing this all my life. What Trump did is no different than pretty much every other Republican president in the last fifty years.

Heavy Medal (goes to Daily Kos)

Trump is not an aberration of conservatism, he is a product of it.

Back when this Website was supporting President George W. Bush, it might have missed this award, for example:

Consider, for example, the late Charles Colson. On December 10, 2008, President Bush honored the convicted Watergate felon and Richard Nixon hatchet man with the second highest award for a civilian. The Presidential Citizens Medal recognizes Americans “who have performed exemplary deeds of service for the nation.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:26:17am

This killed me, it’s so good!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:26:45am

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

These were the things that sort of scared me when younger. Why does a 1” long wasp need a 4” long stinger?

Insect mobile cell tower.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:41:11am

re: #215 Dread Pirate

Julián Castro on the Trump admin’s immigration policies: “They can get a billion dollars or more for a wall, all of a sudden out of nowhere, but they can’t afford soap and toothbrushes for children. It doesn’t make any sense.”
Via CNN

Sure it makes sense.

Cruelty is the point of conservatism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 1:14:33am

How about no, Mr. Ryan?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 1:27:49am
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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2019 • 1:41:56am
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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2019 • 1:42:55am

Erdogan’s party suffers blow after Istanbul re-run poll defeat

Turkey’s ruling AK Party has lost control of Istanbul after a re-run of the city’s mayoral election, delivering a stinging blow to President Erdogan.

With nearly all ballots counted, main opposition party candidate Ekrem Imamoglu had a lead of 775,000 votes, a huge increase on the margin of 13,000 he achieved in the earlier election.

That victory in March was annulled after the AKP alleged irregularities.

The result ends 25 years of AKP rule in Istanbul.

The AKP’s candidate, former Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, conceded to his opponent.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 1:56:25am

re: #236 Amory Blaine

How does this affect Erdoğan’s party overall in Turkey? Istanbul is the largest city, but Turkey is a big place. I imagine just as here in the USA, the cities tend to be more liberal than the rural areas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 2:12:22am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

Sure it makes sense.

Cruelty is the point of conservatism.

they will call it “deterrence” but deep down inside they enjoy the cruelty of it all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 2:13:53am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

How does this affect Erdoğan’s party overall in Turkey? Istanbul is the largest city, but Turkey is a big place. I imagine just as here in the USA, the cities tend to be more liberal than the rural areas.

Erdoğan himself got his start as mayor of Istanbul.

No worry, they will find some trumped-up charges to get the new mayor discredited and dismissed from office.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 24, 2019 • 2:25:41am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 3:40:04am

Well, it’s summer.

It’s also 44°F here and my furnace just came on. Brr.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2019 • 3:54:30am

re: #218 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

The Holocaust caused the death of between 25 and 50% of the entire Romani population, but I guess their deaths don’t matter to Shmuley.

IIRC, well over 90% of the Roma of Bohemia and Moravia were wiped out. Almost universal. About 90% of the Jews of Bohemia and were wiped out as well.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:15:49am

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:17:29am

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:20:44am

re: #243 DangerMan

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:28:50am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, well over 90% of the Roma of Bohemia and Moravia were wiped out. Almost universal. About 90% of the Jews of Bohemia and were wiped out as well.

Getting into Sergei territory. Haven’t seen him for a while.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:29:29am

On Chucktodding:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:29:56am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, well over 90% of the Roma of Bohemia and Moravia were wiped out. Almost universal. About 90% of the Jews of Bohemia and were wiped out as well.

It’s a very touchy subject and broaching it is going to provoke a lot of strong reactions.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:31:12am
Nearly 100 internal Trump transition vetting documents leaked to Axios identify a host of “red flags” about officials who went on to get some of the most powerful jobs in the U.S. government

This should not be good
Wonder if it’s gonna matter at all

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:33:10am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s a very touchy subject and broaching it is going to provoke a lot of strong reactions.

[bites tongue on own family]

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:34:36am

re: #249 DangerMan

This should not be good
Wonder if it’s gonna matter at all

The only people who care figured this out from First Principles long before his election. We’ve known for generations that Republicans unleashed would steal everything portable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 4:38:50am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

[bites tongue on own family]

My grandmother’s family also lost members in the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia.

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:00:59am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, well over 90% of the Roma of Bohemia and Moravia were wiped out. Almost universal. About 90% of the Jews of Bohemia and were wiped out as well.

The Roma are facing shit again, currently/recently.

The Weekly story last week about the youngest child separated, was about a Roma family. The parents and 2 kids flew to Mexico, made their way to the border, mom and a kid were somehow left behind at a bus stop, they didn’t have cellphones and couldn’t get the fam back together right away, dad and baby after waiting at the border for two days decided to go ahead.

Dad and baby walked across the bridge AT. A. PORT. OF. ENTRY., handed their passports to CBP and asked for asylum. Totally legal so far. Didn’t matter. They took his baby from him (4 months old), put dad in detention, sent the baby to a Michigan foster family.

They told dad he could get the kid back quicker if he agreed to deportation. After a couple of months dad gave up, took the deal, and was sent back. But they still didn’t give him the baby. They even lied to him at the airport, “get on the plane and when you’re in your seat we’ll bring him to you.” They didn’t.

It took another several months before the baby was finally sent (with a CPS chaperone) to reunite with the fam.

hulu.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:05:36am

Atheist YouTuber Holy Koolaid (Thomas Westbrook) put up a round up video to the protest against the New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist convocation atheists had in Orlando to call on the government to kill LGBT people (because Jesus).

Amongst other things, they worked with the local residents who also organised a protest, worked with the police to ensure they stayed within the law, and worked with veteran protest organisers prior to the protest to learn the methods used to ensure there was no violence during their protest.

The NIFB itself was promoting the idea they held the event there because of Florida’s stand your ground laws (they wanted to shoot protestors).

Video with scenes of the protestors, and questions about whether NIFB pastors are really pumpkinphiles, 14:44.

Protesting the Make America Straight Again Conference

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:08:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:23:59am

The “pumpkinphile” jab at Rev. Tommy McMurtry comes from a jab from the pulpit he made at another YouTube atheist content creator, calling him a pumpkin because “pumpkins are the largest fruits.” (He was implying that he is gay, and by extension of what he preaches, should be killed.)

That’s why all the pumpkin emojis started showing up in people’s names on social media, along with the question “is Tommy McMurtry a pumpkinphile? We just don’t know.”

That also caused the YouTuber in question (Mr. Atheist) to do a search, and viola! McMurtry didn’t own a Website with his own name. So Mr. Atheist bought it and filled it with scores of photos and drawings of people trolling the NIFB and especially McMurtry.

Caution for some adult themed art of pumpkins.
tommymcmurtry.com

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Weaselone  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:28:10am

It’s incredibly sick that the only reason that the media is focused on the US keeping children in concentration camps is because Republicans are making a stink about AOC correctly calling them concentration camps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:31:07am

“ILLIGALS”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:31:55am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“ILLIGALS”

“ACCOMODATE”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:32:44am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

“ACCOMODATE”

I missed that one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:33:38am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s so committed to not learning languages he doesn’t even want to learn his own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:39:49am

getting his morning briefing from Fox and Friends…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:40:46am

“from the Straight”

good fucking grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:43:09am

“like a stubborn child…”

jeebus

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:43:13am

re: #205 Belafon

Saw this guy in the timeline. I’m not Jewish, but I would definitely be worried about this guy as someone who can’t take his knowledge of suffering and extend it to others:

[Embedded content]

Ah Blowsanne’s pal…

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jeffreyw  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:43:24am

Good morning!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:44:56am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a moran!

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:47:05am

Hmm. Looks like CloudFlare got hit with a massive outage of some sort. Just FYI if you have issues reaching your favorite website.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:49:19am

re: #268 Teukka

Hmm. Looks like CloudFlare got hit with a massive outage of some sort. Just FYI if you have issues reaching your favorite website.

They’re saying it’s fixed and traffic is returning to normal.
cloudflarestatus.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:50:12am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:52:25am

re: #270 Joe Bacon 🌹

Welcome to the New Media Reality

And yes, it really is that bad.

Even at my most optimistic I realize it will take decades to clean up the mess.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 5:59:21am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

The foreign language in question is Yankee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:01:40am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:02:46am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stan Lee High School of Design and Art

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:12:31am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

“from the Straight”

good fucking grief

As opposed to the Crooked of Hormuz?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:15:56am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

“from the Straight”

good fucking grief

We are in dire straights with this goober in charge……

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:16:24am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see no downside. What kid wouldn’t want to go to Bruce Lee high school?

Or his Granddad, Light Horse Harry Lee, who fought under Washington

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:17:31am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

“from the Straight”

good fucking grief

It also shows that he trusts nobody to proof or comment on his utterances, which says a lot about his executive style.

Unfit to serve.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:22:02am

re: #72 DangerMan

Trump:

Bankruptcies including a casino. Six is it?
Lawsuits …Trump U

And that’s off the top of my head

Trump casinos: 6x bankruptcies
Trump steaks: shuttered
Trump in USFL: shuttered
Trump Foundation: shuttered and Trump spawn prohibited from running a charity in NY.
Trump U: scam and shuttered w/settlement in NY of $25 million
Trump water: shuttered
Trump liquor: shuttered

Trump even got a massive bailout from his dad when his real estate holdings took a header.

Trump was born at 3d base and thinks that a sac fly is a grand slam.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:27:03am

re: #257 Weaselone

It’s incredibly sick that the only reason that the media is focused on the US keeping children in concentration camps is because Republicans are making a stink about AOC correctly calling them concentration camps.

So, she’s successfully handling the media. And the only reason she gets to do that is because the media and the GOP made her a target when she won the primary. They are ignoring lesser candidates.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:31:13am
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ThomasLite  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:32:09am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

For a station with such a nationalist bent, that’s extra painful.
(to clarify: most of Europe - and the rest of the world, TBH - uses the comma as a decimal separator and a full stop to group the digits to the left thereof in threes; precisely the inverse of how the US does things. Because of course it is.)

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:32:39am

re: #279 lawhawk

you forgot the airline.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:33:53am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s also total bulkshit.

China doesn’t get 91% of its oil from the Gulf.

Russia provides more than 15% by itself. (100-15=85%). Now, that’d be a rounding error except that the balance includes another 10% from Angola, 2.9% from the US; 2.9% from Venezuela, Brazil with 6.8%, etc.

Below are the top 15 countries that supplied 90.6% of the crude oil imported into China during 2018.

Russia: US$37.9 billion (15.8% of China’s total imported crude)
Saudi Arabia: $29.7 billion (12.4%)
Angola: $24.9 billion (10.4%)
Iraq: $22.4 billion (9.4%)
Oman: $17.3 billion (7.2%)
Brazil: $16.2 billion (6.8%)
Iran: $15 billion (6.3%)
Kuwait: $11.9 billion (5%)
Venezuela: $7 billion (2.9%)
United States: $6.8 billion (2.8%)
United Arab Emirates: $6.7 billion (2.8%)
Congo: $6.4 billion (2.7%)
Colombia: $5 billion (2.1%)
Malaysia: $4.8 billion (2%)
Libya: $4.7 billion (2%)

Fastest growing area for imports? From the US.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:35:01am

re: #279 lawhawk

Trump casinos: 6x bankruptcies
Trump steaks: shuttered
Trump in USFL: shuttered
Trump Foundation: shuttered and Trump spawn prohibited from running a charity in NY.
Trump U: scam and shuttered w/settlement in NY of $25 million
Trump water: shuttered
Trump liquor: shuttered

Trump even got a massive bailout from his dad when his real estate holdings took a header.

Trump was born at 3d base and thinks that a sac fly is a grand slam.

Yup.
And wasn’t there an airline too?
Innfact he’d be super rich if all those enterprises actually succeeded.
that’s a lot of losing

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Sir John Barron  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:37:11am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Think of what it could have been if the Fed had gotten it right. Thousands of points higher on the Dow, and GDP in the 4’s or even 5’s.

I remember when the high DOW in 2016 was just a “bubble”.

//

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:38:27am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spike Lee School for the Visual Arts

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makeitstop  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:41:12am

Peggy Lee School of Smoky Jazz Singing

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:42:45am

Stagger Lee School for Applied Probability.

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:51:10am

re: #143 Charles Johnson

It should have, but the right and left are playing by very different rules now.

I am reminded of this. We have the swords. Republicans just shoot. We follow rules. They not just ignore them but make new ones that only apply against others.

Indiana Jones - Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981) - Sword Fight

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:52:09am

This week’s Tiny Desk Concert is by the Sesame Street muppets.

Sesame Street: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:52:41am

re: #280 Belafon

So, she’s successfully handling the media. And the only reason she gets to do that is because the media and the GOP made her a target when she won the primary. They are ignoring lesser candidates.

The Republicans are her best publicists.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:53:06am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

How did this not totally end Trump?

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Because the people that voted for him are completely ok with mocking the disabled (until it’s them or someone they know).

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:58:02am

re: #156 KGxvi

I’ve got MSNBC on right now, and there’s a special on about the upcoming Democratic debates. There’s someone on (I’m listening from the other room) and he’s a guy that has prepped many candidates going back to Mondale for debates. He just brought up the thing about Trump hovering over Clinton in the debate in 2016 and how her choice was ignore him or turn around and “go nuts on him.”

I think that’s a false choice though, she could have simply turned around and calmly said something like “Donald, it’s not your turn, sit down.” And then let him make a fool of himself.

The Dem “debates” are a fucking joke. They have 1 minute for making points and then there is a 30 second response? Please.

While I am all for getting points out quickly for those with addled brains who cannot follow actual policy considerations, 1 minute and 30 seconds is insane.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:59:06am

re: #291 sagehen

If anyone uses Waze, you can get Cookie Monster to be your guide.

C is for careful…. and also for cookie.
Police spotted ahead. Do you think they want a cookie?

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 6:59:37am

re: #161 Ace Rothstein

I say that Trump will not agree to do any debates next year, no matter who the Democrat is.

Then our candidate has a debate with an empty podium, skewering trump at every opportunity as being afraid to discuss anything.

It will make him nuts and twitter will blow up - and not in his favor (for most Americans…the 27-30% who are nuts…who cares about them? They’re lost humans.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:00:39am

re: #296 MsJ

Then our candidate has a debate with an empty podium, skewering trump at every opportunity as being afraid to discuss anything.

It will make him nuts and twitter will blow up - and not in his favor (for most Americans…the 27-30% who are nuts…who cares about them? They’re lost humans.)

And the GOP ate up Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:04:02am

re: #205 Belafon

Saw this guy in the timeline. I’m not Jewish, but I would definitely be worried about this guy as someone who can’t take his knowledge of suffering and extend it to others:

[Embedded content]

Here is my daughter ripping into Shmuley on Twitter:

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plansbandc  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:08:23am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

I love her!

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:25:34am

re: #295 lawhawk

If anyone uses Waze, you can get Cookie Monster to be your guide.

C is for careful…. and also for cookie.
Police spotted ahead. Do you think they want a cookie?

Outstanding!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:35:12am

WebMD just did an interview with Dr. Ruth Westheimer. Dr. Ruth just turned 91 but isn’t really slowing down. She has a Hulu documentary coming out, and a revised edition (she revised it) of “Sex for Dummies.”

Dr. Ruth on Great Sex, Pornography, and Getting Older

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mmmirele  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:35:49am

So I did go back to Apologia church/cult for a second round of protesting. I was out there for just shy of two hours, until 7 pm.

Let me clear. I am not a nice person. I am not inclined to cut slack to a group that teaches their children thst women should be executed for getting abortions. I am also not going cut any slack to dishonest men who go over to the Planned Parenthood in Tempe to harass women getting abortions, but who fail to tell these women that they (the guys of Apologia) think they (the women) should be executed if they go through with their abortions.

But DAMN they are a cult. One guy tried to block my sign with his body; I told he needed balloons like Scientology tried to use when I protested them. At another point, he and a woman started chanting the same thing over and over again, in unison and I laughed at them.

Speaking of the woman, she’s one of those women who had an abortion and now feels guilty about it. Well, if you go to a church where the leaders believe women should be executed for getting abortions, yeah, the guilt will be there. I will confess I was a bad feminist because I called her a bitch twice.

I also threatened to slug a guy for saying women should keep our legs closed but when he stepped out, I stepped away and put my hands behind my back.

They were incredibly frustrated with me because I generally refused to engage. Instead, I would shout, over and over again, variations on, “You go to a cult which teaches children that women who get abortions should be executed. You should be ashamed! You should be mortified!” The irony is they have a “ministry” called “Cultish” where they interview people who have been converted to their vile form of Calvinism. Sorry, going from the JWs to radical Calvinism is like jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

The only bad thing was that I probably was out there too long because I was hot afterwards and my blood sugar was through the roof at 210. (It was 111 this morning.) But I have a better idea of how long they meet so I can time it, and I can always sit in my SUV, covered with signs, to wait for them to come out.

What the guys of Apologia cult are going to learn is that I’m tenacious.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:42:27am

re: #294 MsJ

I won’t bother with them and I’ll advise anyone who asks to ignore them. To many idiots and not enough soup.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:43:26am

re: #303 William Lewis

I won’t bother with them and I’ll advise anyone who asks to ignore them. To many idiots and not enough soup.

No point in trying to engage with these people except to express your disgust at their views.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:45:56am

re: #302 mmmirele

Speaking of the woman, she’s one of those women who had an abortion and now feels guilty about it. Well, if you go to a church where the leaders believe women should be executed for getting abortions, yeah, the guilt will be there. I will confess I was a bad feminist because I called her a bitch twice.

I also threatened to slug a guy for saying women should keep our legs closed but when he stepped out, I stepped away and put my hands behind my back.

What the guys of Apologia cult are going to learn is that I’m tenacious.

I would protest our Christian Identity church in this area but they’re dangerous and they have access to guns. (CI is one of the organisations I won’t quibble over with the True Christian label, because they aren’t even close to anything in the Bible.)

As for “bad feminist,” I don’t think I’m the arbiter of who is a feminist and who isn’t, but I don’t recall hearing that feminists had to behave or speak in a certain way.

As for slugging someone, that would be what they want. That gives them the absolute right to defend themselves. Open carry is legal in Arizona, and it has no requirements for concealed carry. You can bet one of those wingnuts has a gun.

Like the NIFB wingnuts in Orlando the other day who specifically hoped for violent protestors so they could exercise Florida’s stand your ground laws, I have no doubt the folks in that church you picket would hope for the same.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:52:11am

FDA recall of a particular brand of frozen blackberries sold in the South at Wal*Mart and Sav-a-Lot.

fda.gov

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:57:56am

re: #303 William Lewis

I won’t bother with them and I’ll advise anyone who asks to ignore them. To many idiots and not enough soup soap.

Fixed for current events.

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 7:59:00am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

HarryTokus.

I. AM. DED.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:00:36am

There was a far right music festival in Ostritz, Germany this weekend. In order to discourage the Neo-Nazis, the town made all the beer disappear (dailykos.com):

“Beer and marching songs may have fuelled Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, but neo-Nazis faced an alcohol ban at a German rock festival at the weekend.

The ban was a new tool in the fight against neo-Nazi influence. Some 2,000 locals in the eastern town of Ostritz also rallied against the far right.

Police seized 4,200 litres (924 UK gallons) of beer in Ostritz on Friday, then 200 litres more on Saturday.

Locals also bought more than 200 crates of beer in the town’s supermarkets….

….An Ostritz society activist, Georg Salditt, told Germany’s popular Bild daily: “The plan was devised a week in advance. We wanted to dry the Nazis out. We thought, if an alcohol ban is coming, we’ll empty the shelves at the Penny [supermarket].”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:03:05am

re: #309 Belafon

There was a far right music festival in Ostritz, Germany this weekend. In order to discourage the Neo-Nazis, the town made all the beer disappear (dailykos.com):

Intolerant Leftists will not even allow Good People (on both sides) to have a bit of harmless fun, singing songs about Horsed Vessels and playing Hide and Sieg! Heil!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:03:11am

JFC

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:04:07am

re: #240 Dread Pirate

The plan is already DOA. It’s like infrastructure week, only worse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:04:36am

“the Democrats money machine”

Who needs apostrophe’s?

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:05:15am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:05:43am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

“And only 80c of every dollar will go into my personal account MAGA campain fund.”

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mmmirele  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:06:19am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

The church of the pope of the NIFB, Steven Anderson, is a mile from where I’m sitting (office desk). We know where Anderson stands on LGBTQ people; what’s less known is that he wants to execute abortion doctors. I did point out a couple of times to the Apologia crew that they’re just as cultish as Anderson.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:07:55am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Why would any GOP donor give at a site that records their name and contribution, when there are ways the GOP part of the FEC will overlook?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:08:58am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:10:49am

re: #318 Belafon

Why would any GOP donor give at a site that records their name and contribution, when there are ways the GOP part of the FEC will overlook?

It’s supposed to be the conservative answer to ActBlue. The site is for grifting from conservative voters.

Considering how so many conservative fundraising lists are also sold to other grifters who sell stuff, I imagine this will be used the same way.

What is this organisation which “certifies” Websites?

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:13:15am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Sara Lee Culinary Institute

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:13:26am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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I am pleased to announce the launch of tmagac.winred.com . This new platform will allow my campaign and other Republicans to compete with the Democrats money machine to funnel more money into my pockets. This has been a priority of mine and I’m pleased to share that it is up and running! #KeepAmericaGreat

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:13:40am

re: #316 Belafon

“And only 80c of every dollar will go into my personal account MAGA campain fund.”

gmta

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:13:58am

re: #321 lawhawk

Sara Lee Culinary Institute

Geddy Lee school of Prog Rock

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:14:46am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

It’s supposed to be the conservative answer to ActBlue. The site is for grifting from conservative voters.

Considering how so many conservative fundraising lists are also sold to other grifters who sell stuff, I imagine this will be used the same way.

What is this organisation which “certifies” Websites?

And part of the service ActBlue provides is to show how many small donors give to Democrats. Does the GOP really want to find out how many small donors they actually have?

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:17:02am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Stagger Lee School for Applied Probability.

Lee Majors Institute of Bionics

(no one said Lee had to be the last name)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:17:16am

re: #325 Belafon

And part of the service ActBlue provides is to show how many small donors give to Democrats. Does the GOP really want to find out how many small donors they actually have?

I have a couple of crisp $2 bills to put on this project failing within a couple years.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:17:39am

re: #321 lawhawk

Sara Lee Culinary Institute

Christopher Lee Villain’s Academy

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:18:40am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

He’s getting ripped by a lot of people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:18:44am

re: #325 Belafon

And part of the service ActBlue provides is to show how many small donors give to Democrats. Does the GOP really want to find out how many small donors they actually have?

I have no doubt there are many small donors — after all racism runs deep in this nation and without the support from the less wealthy, it could not lead to electoral victories nationwide.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:19:07am

re: #326 DangerMan

Lee Majors Institute of Bionics

(no one said Lee had to be the last name)

Lee Daniels School of Visual Arts.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:19:20am

re: #330 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no doubt there are many small donors — after all racism runs deep in this nation and without the support from the less wealthy, it could not lead to electoral victories nationwide.

With any luck, most of it will be ripped off.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:20:54am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:21:23am

(mass murderer) Lee (mass murderer surname) Psychiatric Wing.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:21:30am

Trump is getting ripped by the people in the know about nuclear weapons and proliferation for undermining the JCPOA and claiming that he’s got a solution (which is do JCPOA but call it something else all while destroying American credibility in the process).

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:23:57am

re: #335 lawhawk

Trump is getting ripped by the people in the know about nuclear weapons and proliferation for undermining the JCPOA and claiming that he’s got a solution (which is do JCPOA but call it something else all while destroying American credibility in the process).

TJCPOA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:24:03am

Peggy Lee’s School of Crazy Songs

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:24:09am

David Lee Roth School of Lion-Maned Lead Singers

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CarolJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:28:10am

re: #33 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t get it. All the attention, good professional help is already spoken for. There’s a debate this week. How in the world is he going to get any traction? And he’s lost a few state-wide races as well, so he doesn’t even have much of a domestic record.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:30:50am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

Christopher Lee Villain’s Academy

Lee Marvin law school

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:35:33am

Lady Chatter Lee School of Extramarital Affairs

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:36:49am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well played.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:39:47am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lady Chatter Lee School of Extramarital Affairs

Jerry Lee Lewis Junior High School for Relationship Building

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:40:43am

re: #339 CarolJ

I don’t get it. All the attention, good professional help is already spoken for. There’s a debate this week. How in the world is he going to get any traction? And he’s lost a few state-wide races as well, so he doesn’t even have much of a domestic record.

I’m just kind of curious if he missed that there is already a veteran running.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:40:56am

Groucho Marx School of Political Science

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:41:42am

re: #345 Anymouse 🌹

Groucho Marx School of Political Science

Groucho Lee Marx or Groucho Marx Lee?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:43:21am

re: #346 Belafon

Groucho Lee Marx or Groucho Marx Lee?

Yes.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:43:29am

How fucked up is Trump’s immigration policy?

It’s far more costly to put these kids in camps than it would be to put them up at the Trump International in DC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:43:36am

Frequent Lee Asked School for Questions

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:45:18am

re: #348 lawhawk

$775 per kid.

So where’s all that money going, anyway?

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makeitstop  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:47:31am

Tommy Lee Institute of Percussion

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:49:31am

re: #346 Belafon

Groucho Lee Marx or Groucho Marx Lee?

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:50:29am

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

$775 per kid.

So where’s all that money going, anyway?

The Prison Industrial Complex. With criminal justice reform reducing the numbers of people incarcerated, the private companies running prisons needed a new source of revenue.

Trump gave it to them on a gold plated platter.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:53:24am

re: #348 lawhawk

How fucked up is Trump’s immigration policy?

It’s far more costly to put these kids in camps than it would be to put them up at the Trump International in DC.

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and there would be soap and bathrobes

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:55:17am

re: #348 lawhawk

How fucked up is Trump’s immigration policy?

It’s far more costly to put these kids in camps than it would be to put them up at the Trump International in DC.

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maybe he just never even thought of this

it’s like the perfect trump grift

the only one’s who’d be pissed off are his buddies who are making all the money running the camps and centers right now

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:56:04am

re: #312 lawhawk

Did you hear kushner’s response to the question about the political situation? He basically said, “nah, don’t care. I have a plan and they will get on board because there’s lots of money involved if they get on board”.

JFC, it’s more (if that’s possible) of a shit-show than I expected.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:56:19am

re: #351 makeitstop

Tommy Lee Institute of Percussion

Tommy Lee Jones Marshal Academy

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:57:25am

Harper Lee School of Literature

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:57:46am

The Salt Lake City Tribune - owned by the Huntsman family, and whose president is the brother of Ambassador John Huntsman - calls them concentration camps and goes after its two senators for their response: sltrib.com.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 8:58:07am

re: #356 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s the baffling with BS brand that is so Trumpworld.

They think they can baffle everyone into doing this. No one is buying it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:00:59am

re: #360 lawhawk

Tell them what they want to hear to get them to sign. Then, once they’re locked in, renege on everything and plead ignorance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:03:28am

Holding: Title 18 U. S. C. §924(c)(3)(B), which provides enhanced penalties for using a firearm during a “crime of violence,” is unconstitutionally vague.

Judgment: Affirmed in part, vacated in part, and remanded, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Gorsuch on June 24, 2019. Justice Kavanaugh filed a dissenting opinion, in which Justices Thomas and Alito joined, and in which Chief Justice Roberts joined as to all but Part II-C.

scotusblog.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:04:22am

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

$775 per kid.

So where’s all that money going, anyway?

John Kelly is getting some of it
Gen. Kelly, Trump’s ex-top aide, joins board of firm running Homestead migrant shelter

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:11:49am

re: #359 Belafon

The Salt Lake City Tribune - owned by the Huntsman family, and whose president is the brother of Ambassador John Huntsman - calls them concentration camps and goes after its two senators for their response: sltrib.com.

Before he was co-opted by Trump, Jon Huntsman was Obama’s ambassador to China, which given his knowledge of Mandarin, was clearly a superior position to his current posting to Moscow. The Huntsman family are real billionaires, with a record of service to this country. Maybe they are finally awakening from their allegiance to the Trump party.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:15:21am

re: #364 Hecuba’s daughter

Before he was co-opted by Trump, Jon Huntsman was Obama’s ambassador to China, which given his knowledge of Mandarin, was clearly a superior position to his current posting to Moscow. The Huntsman family are real billionaires, with a record of service to this country. Maybe they are finally awakening from their allegiance to the Trump party.

Except for that little dust up in the XIX Century where they made war on migrants crossing Utah, Mormons have generally been welcoming of immigrants and asylees. Having been run out of several areas, they tend to support others in that position.

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:20:35am
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mmmirele  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:21:05am

re: #365 Anymouse 🌹

Except for that little dust up in the XIX Century where they made war on migrants crossing Utah, Mormons have generally been welcoming of immigrants and asylees. Having been run out of several areas, they tend to support others in that position.

The Mormon church’s position on immigration and immigrants tends to chap the hides of local Republican fanatics, which pleases me.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:22:54am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:27:07am

re: #365 Anymouse 🌹

Except for that little dust up in the XIX Century where they made war on migrants crossing Utah, Mormons have generally been welcoming of immigrants and asylees. Having been run out of several areas, they tend to support others in that position.

Of course, it wasn’t until 1978 that the Mormon Church finally decided that African-Americans deserved full equality in their church.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:32:08am

re: #369 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, it wasn’t until 1978 that the Mormon Church finally decided that African-Americans deserved full equality in their church.

They haven’t done that for women yet (though to be fair to the LDS, most churches haven’t).

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makeitstop  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:40:07am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:40:44am

re: #372 makeitstop

So I can register fucktrump dot com now?

And the football team in Washington with the racist name gets to keep it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:41:39am

re: #371 lawhawk

Supreme Court strikes down IP law prohibiting trademarks with immoral or scandalous words.

The town of Fucking, Austria, produces a pale ale (Helles Pils) marketed as “Fucking Hell”. The UK tried to ban it, but the EU ruled that any registered trade mark was acceptable and valid anywhere.

So I don’t know if Brexit will cost them their Fucking Hell.

And they also better stock up on wine from the our favorite winery in Schweigen-Rechtenbach.

Usually the name Kuntz is spelled with a K but they spell it with a C

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:43:29am

re: #368 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Here in NW PA we have had to cut out the woods portion of our high school cross country races a couple times because of bear sightings. On one occasion I sighted a bear cub at the edge of the woods and alerted the race officials, which we both went and visually verified that yes it was a bear cub. No woods portion of the race that day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:44:11am

re: #372 makeitstop

So I can register fucktrump dot com now?

Too late, someone already got it.

fucktrump.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:49:23am

re: #376 Anymouse 🌹

The dot net site is gone now too, though there isn’t anything up on the page yet. The dot org site is still available.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:53:35am
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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:54:41am

re: #377 Anymouse 🌹

The dot net site is gone now too, though there isn’t anything up on the page yet. The dot org site is still available.

a not for profit associated with trumps name - even tangentially - doesn’t make sense //

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:54:51am

Looks like Trump is imposing new sanctions on Iran.

President Trump announced on Monday that he is imposing new sanctions on Iran, after saying for days that he preferred tightening the pressure on a crippled Iranian economy to launching an immediate military strike in retaliation for what American officials have said are recent aggressive acts by Tehran.

“We will continue to increase pressure on Tehran,” Mr. Trump said as he sat at his desk in the Oval Office preparing to sign an executive order. “Never can Iran have a nuclear weapon.”

He added that the order will bar Iranian leaders from access to financial instruments. The administration did not immediately elaborate.

The Trump administration already moved this spring to cut off all revenues from Iranian oil exports, the lifeblood of the nation’s economy, and the new sanctions are expected to be aimed at shutting down additional sources of income with the goal of forcing political change in Tehran.

nytimes.com

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Dr. Matt  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:55:47am


Trump announces new sanctions on Iran, including on Supreme Leader

Donnie is tougher on 3 year brown children seeking asylum. Sad.

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:56:09am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Trump is imposing new sanctions on Iran.

nytimes.com

And there’s nobody with his ear to explain that he’s strengthening the hardliners. Not that he would believe it if they did.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:56:45am

re: #378 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump consistently says that he’s making us safer, when the reality is the opposite.

He’s making us more vulnerable.
He’s increasing the chances for nuclear proliferation.
He’s undermining our strategic partners and allies and enabling our rivals and enemies.
He’s sabotaging functioning government and doesn’t have anyone leading key departments that have been confirmed (DHS, DOD, etc.), despite claiming that we’re in a national emergency.

The only national emergency is the one Trump manufactured, and which his people are making worse to maximize harms on nonwhites and to implement a white nationalist/xenophobic policy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:57:01am

re: #382 sagehen

And there’s nobody with his ear to explain that he’s strengthening the hardliners. Not that he would believe it if they did.

We don’t want regime change from within led by a new generation, we want to be able to impose our own choice, preferably a descendant of the Shah…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 24, 2019 • 9:59:09am

Unilateral sanctions without any allies joining is hilariously toothless.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:01:54am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We wont get that either, because no one will stick their neck out and watch the US withdraw support at the key moment.

Trump’s trying to gain support for a coalition, but there’s no one beyond the Saudis and Gulf States who’ll go for this, and they’re all self-interested in doing what Iraq couldn’t do in 8 years - beat Iran - without having to pony up for it (Trump’s intent on doing what he claims he’s out to stop - being the world’s policeman and doing the work others can’t or wont do). They’re hoping to suck the US into another costly war that will spike oil prices and help no one but a privileged few in the Persian Gulf, and Putin.

Oh, and it’d also help the Maduro regime too, because high oil prices will help oil exporting countries. We’d all pay more for this insanity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:02:54am

re: #386 lawhawk

They’re hoping to suck the US into another costly war that will spike oil prices and help no one but a privileged few in the Persian Gulf, and Putin.

Oh, and it’d also help the Maduro regime too, because high oil prices will help oil exporting countries. We’d all pay more for this insanity.

Putin just has to jerk on the chain.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:04:10am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Putin just has to a jerk on the chain.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:10:02am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:11:32am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:23:52am

re: #390 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They’ll just move them from shitty camp A to shitty camp B.

Ugh.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:26:34am

Morrisey - ex-frontman of The Smiths - seems to have gone Full Metal Wingnut (though I do believe the proper nomenclature in the UK is “swivel-eyed loon”).

Morrissey has spoken in praise of Nigel Farage in a wide-ranging interview where he claimed “everyone ultimately prefers their own race”.

A transcript of the interview with photographer Sam Esty Rayner, which was conducted in April but only just published, has appeared on Morrissey’s official website.

The ex-Smiths frontman praised Farage, saying: “it’s obvious that he would make a good prime minister”, but clarified that he had never supported UKIP.

Asked if he is a Brexiteer, he said he didn’t vote, but said: “I can see how there is absolutely nothing attractive about the EU,” and added that the referendum should be respected.

Also:

The singer-songwriter reiterated that he “absolutely” supports far-right party For Britain. He heaped praise on leader Anne-Marie Waters, who in 2017 stood for UKIP leadership on an anti-Islam platform.

“The UK is a dangerously hateful place now,” he said. “I think we need someone to put a stop to the lunacy and to speak for everyone.”

Morrissey said he has never heard Waters say anything racist - a word he has repeatedly said is “meaningless” anyway.

“If you call someone racist in modern Britain you are telling them that you have run out of words,” he said in the interview. “Everyone ultimately prefers their own race … does this make everyone racist?

“The people who reduce every conversation down to a matter of race could be said to be the most traditionally ‘racist’,” he said.

“Diversity can’t possibly be a strength if everyone has ideas that will never correspond. If borders are such terrible things then why did they ever exist in the first place? Borders bring order.”

theneweuropean.co.uk

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:28:53am
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MsJ  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:32:48am

re: #372 makeitstop

So I can register fucktrump dot com now?

It already exists.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:47:17am

re: #334 Decatur Deb

(mass murderer) Lee (mass murderer surname) Psychiatric Wing.

I like the way you think and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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DangerMan  Jun 24, 2019 • 10:47:39am

re: #393 goddamnedfrank

I’ve always eyerolled at the idea that Trumpworld’s defiance of subpoenas etc. makes everyday citizens less likely to respect the rule of law.

Not anymore. Just had a witness refuse to comply with a deposition subpoena because “William Barr says those don’t matter.”

Super.

neither do deficits so im gonna stop paying my mortgage and credit card bills

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Old Liberal  Jun 24, 2019 • 12:16:47pm

re: #218 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

The Holocaust caused the death of between 25 and 50% of the entire Romani population, but I guess their deaths don’t matter to Shmuley.

Somebody has probably already written this by now, but my understanding of “holocaust” is that the specific word was coined specifically to refer to the genocide of jewish people in WWII era. It doesn’t mean that only jewish people were murdered, systematically or otherwise, it was just a term appropriated to refer only to the jewish component of the overall atrocities. So we need another term to refer to either the overall murderous actions of the nazis or several terms to cover romani, lgbtq, disabled, poles, slavic people, the list is long.

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Old Liberal  Jun 24, 2019 • 3:26:18pm

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Trump is imposing new sanctions on Iran.

nytimes.com

Exciting. This will be as successful as the embargo on Cuba started 60 years ago at causing regime change.

These fuckers never learn, do they? Doing the same shit in Venezuela, and all it is doing to worsening the refugee movement.


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