John Oliver on the Dangerous Posers Climbing Mount Everest in Droves [VIDEO]
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Climbing Mount Everest has become dangerously popular. John Oliver explains why.
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Hiding the evidence.
— Malcolm P. Johnson (@admiralmpj) June 24, 2019
The Trump admin “has refused to publicize dozens of government-funded studies that carry warnings about the effects of climate change, defying a longstanding practice of touting such findings by the Agriculture Department’s acclaimed in-house scientists.” https://t.co/KbkDd2utKv
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) June 24, 2019
Mike Pompeo met with Saudi King Salman today and a bottle of hand sanitizer pic.twitter.com/MSKL7PVI2O
— John Hudson (@John_Hudson) June 24, 2019
Professional operation, smooth as silk.
re: #1 jaunte
Another thing for Democrats in the House to investigate. By the way, I’m not really hearing about Congressional investigations. Democrats need to investigate and expose this treacherous, dangerous regime. That’s their one job.
re: #3 Patricia Kayden
The Trump admin “has refused to publicize dozens of government-funded studies that carry warnings about the effects of climate change, defying a longstanding practice of touting such findings by the Agriculture Department’s acclaimed in-house scientists.”
Time to leak these documents just to see the Trump administration try to make a case that revealing them is somehow a threat to national security.
I have no doubt that Trump will fight to stay in office even when he loses the election next year.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) June 24, 2019
re: #5 Patricia Kayden
Another thing for Democrats in the House to investigate. By the way, I’m not really hearing about Congressional investigations. Democrats need to investigate and expose this treacherous, dangerous regime. That’s their one job.
This is very similar to “I’m not hearing about Democrats passing legislation.” It’s going on, the fact that it’s not punching through the media is a big problem. But then again, they’re mostly ignoring the latest rape allegations against Trump.
re: #8 Belafon
Exactly. I’m about ready for the Impeachment hearings.
In Supreme Court news today, four opinions handed down thus far. In Iancu v Brunetti the Court ruled that the Lanham Act’s prohibition of trademarking “immoral or salacious” terms violates the First Amendment. Kagan wrote for the majority (Ginsburg, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh); Alito had a concurring opinion; Roberts concurred in part and dissented in part (joined by Breyer); and, Sotomayor concurred in part and dissented in part.
In another case, the Court held that the residual clause of the Hobbs Act is unconstitutionally vague:
The residual clause in turn defines a “crime of violence” as a felony “that by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.”
Gorsuch wrote for the majority (Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor). Kavanaugh dissented which was joined by the rest of the justices.
I’m interested to see how the alignments end up after this term. Seems like Gorsuch has been more willing to side with the more “liberal” justices (the liberal/conservative political spectrum doesn’t always line up well with jurisprudence).
re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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Somehow, I think the Secret Service will have no problem frog-marching him out the door and shipping his personal items to him later.
re: #10 KGxvi
In Supreme Court news today, four opinions handed down thus far. In Iancu v Brunetti the Court ruled that the Lanham Act’s prohibition of trademarking “immoral or salacious” terms violates the First Amendment. Kagan wrote for the majority (Ginsburg, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh); Alito had a concurring opinion; Roberts concurred in part and dissented in part (joined by Breyer); and, Sotomayor concurred in part and dissented in part.
In another case, the Court held that the residual clause of the Hobbs Act is unconstitutionally vague:
Gorsuch wrote for the majority (Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor). Kavanaugh dissented which was joined by the rest of the justices.
I’m interested to see how the alignments end up after this term. Seems like Gorsuch has been more willing to side with the more “liberal” justices (the liberal/conservative political spectrum doesn’t always line up well with jurisprudence).
Gorsuch seems to be lining up as a “limited government” type, and being fairly consistent about it. Sometimes, limited government is what liberals want, and sometimes it isn’t.
re: #12 Belafon
He could easily overturn both federal drug laws and federal anti-discrimination laws in the same session.
re: #12 Belafon
Gorsuch seems to be lining up as a “limited government” type, and being fairly consistent about it. Sometimes, limited government is what liberals want, and sometimes it isn’t.
The big cases seem to be the only things left this term. Couple about partisan gerrymandering, the census citizenship question, the Oklahoma/Indian Country case. Also a case as to whether the Fair Debt Collection Act pertains to non-judicial foreclosures (how that wasn’t decided a decade ago eludes me). And a case about whether the courts should defer to administrative agencies regarding vague regulations.
re: #13 Belafon
He could easily overturn both federal drug laws and federal anti-discrimination laws in the same session.
I’ll admit, I don’t follow the Court nearly as closely as I used to, but Gorsuch doesn’t seem like he’s gone to extreme on anything thus far. I think he and Kagan will be the justices to watch going forward.
re: #15 KGxvi
I’ll admit, I don’t follow the Court nearly as closely as I used to, but Gorsuch doesn’t seem like he’s gone to extreme on anything thus far. I think he and Kagan will be the justices to watch going forward.
My choices may be a bit extreme, but he does seem to favor limiting government reach vs debating the merits of the government’s authority.
Tips For Staying Civil While Debating Child Prisons https://t.co/UfxmGIxwEx pic.twitter.com/M4VxVRVfO4
— The Onion (@TheOnion) June 24, 2019
I would like to think the sitting prez must vacate the White House in event he/she loses the election. Is that the law or has it only been gentleman’s agreement? I would like to have a warm and confident feeling backed by law because the Trumper is not a gentleman.
Does anyone know if the loser is compelled by law to vacate the WH?
re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I have no doubt that Trump will fight to stay in office even when he loses the election next year.
a good primer happens to have been posted today on electoral-vote.com
What If Trump Loses But Won’t Concede?
- depends on how decisive the loss is
- it’s not so much ‘what if he won’t leave’
- the shenanigans would likely be before the inauguration
.:. make the victory decisive and virtually unconstestable (i know, i know)
re: #20 DangerMan
a good primer happens to have been posted today on electoral-vote.com
What If Trump Loses But Won’t Concede?
- depends on how decisive the loss is
- it’s not so much ‘what if he won’t leave’
- the shenanigans would likely be before the inauguration.:. make the victory decisive and virtually unconstestable (i know, i know)
He’s going to resign a week early so Pence can pardon him. What do they have to lose?
re: #19 Semper Fi
I would like to think the sitting prez must vacate the White House in event he/she loses the election. Is that the law or has it only been gentleman’s agreement? I would like to have a warm and confident feeling backed by law because the Trumper is not a gentleman.
Does anyone know if the loser is compelled by law to vacate the WH?
First you will have to define what “loser” means, because I guarantee you Trump will and it won’t be what you think it is, and it certainly won’t be Trump.
re: #21 I Would Prefer Not To
He’s going to resign a week early so Pence can pardon him. What do they have to lose?
“president trump, low energy. too old and weak to complete even one term”
re: #19 Semper Fi
I would like to think the sitting prez must vacate the White House in event he/she loses the election. Is that the law or has it only been gentleman’s agreement? I would like to have a warm and confident feeling backed by law because the Trumper is not a gentleman.
Does anyone know if the loser is compelled by law to vacate the WH?
The law is this: On Jan 21, 2021, the new president will be sworn in. At that point, Trump is no longer president, and if he stays, he is illegally occupying the White House.
re: #20 DangerMan
a good primer happens to have been posted today on electoral-vote.com
What If Trump Loses But Won’t Concede?
- depends on how decisive the loss is
- it’s not so much ‘what if he won’t leave’
- the shenanigans would likely be before the inauguration.:. make the victory decisive and virtually unconstestable (i know, i know)
I think Trump would take the position that an overwhelming loss is impossible because he is “loved” so much and therefor the count is a lie.
re: #4 jaunte
Mike Pompeo met with Saudi King Salman today and a bottle of hand sanitizer
Professional operation, smooth as silk.
GoT product placement team is hurting for work.
re: #20 DangerMan
Trump could sue in federal court alleging that non-citizens voted and the election should be thrown out. However, the presidential electors have to meet in their respective state capitals on Monday, Dec. 14, 2020, to formally cast their electoral votes. In theory, between Election Day (Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2020) and the day the electors meet, there could be a new election. However, in that short window, a judge would first have to throw out the election, then a new election would have to be scheduled and carried out. That is effectively impossible in less than 6 weeks. In states where the Republicans control the trifecta, the state legislature could quick-like-a-bunny pass a law allowing the state legislature to choose the electors. In other states that Trump lost, his strategy might be to try to prevent any electors from being chosen in order to get the Democrat below 270 electoral votes, thus forcing the election into the House.
The next key date is Jan. 3, 2021. That is when a joint session of Congress will open and count the electoral votes. If at least one senator and one representative of the newly elected Congress object, each chamber will then deliberate on what to do next. If they come back and reject the electoral votes of one or more states and no candidate reaches the mandatory 270, the House picks the president from among the top three electoral vote getters, with each state getting one vote. Even if the Democrats keep control of the House, Republicans will almost certainly control more state delegations. Then the Senate picks the vice president from among the top two finishers for that office.
So he would win the House since each delegation only gets one vote, and the Senate picks whomever.
Yes, he can steal the election even if it is utter runaway landslide. This is also the scenario that could literally break the country apart, with states like California refusing to recognize Trump is lawful President and National Guard being called to use force on millions of protestors. This way lies madness.
If it goes down this way, Civil War 2.0 is a very real possibility.
The US government is paying private businesses $775 per day to keep children in sub-human conditions.
For that money, these kids could stay at the Hilton, eat from the buffet, and we’d still have millions to spare.
Someone is making a KILLING off the torture of children. https://t.co/RLV3w1sZpj— Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) June 24, 2019
The cruelty is the point.
re: #24 Belafon
The law is this: On Jan 21, 2021, the new president will be sworn in. At that point, Trump is no longer president, and if he stays, he is illegally occupying the White House.
Jan 20, 2021
See also. These are the conditions to which the Trump administration wants to subject *children* that they have torn away from their parents to make a political point to shame asylum-seeking people *who have committed no crime*. https://t.co/VDKfvk7LdQ pic.twitter.com/kpDOsgZiGl
— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) June 24, 2019
re: #27 Scottish Dragon
Somehow I really don’t think most of the country would be too pleased about their votes being effectively invalidated.
re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg
Somehow I really don’t think most of the country would be too pleased about their votes being effectively invalidated.
The rest of the country will be getting ready for THE BIG GAME and won’t really care.
re: #34 Skip Intro
The rest of the country will be getting ready for THE BIG GAME and won’t really care.
The one most people don’t watch?
Donald Trump, Jr.: ‘Roy Moore is going against my father’
yellowhammernews.com
There is every reason to believe that the Trump election-stealing machine plans to deprive the citizens of Alabama of their God-given right to anoint Roy Moore the GOP candidate. I make a point to warn my neighbors about that at every chance encounter.
re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg
Somehow I really don’t think most of the country would be too pleased about their votes being effectively invalidated.
Do you think the GOP would care? Do they act like they give shit about what people think? GOP legislatures in the last two years have made a habit of stripping incoming Democratic governors of their powers. I have no doubt they could try to pull off the scenario above if they have the power trifecta in the right states or a supermajority that can over ride a veto.
There is no bottom. They will do anything…absolutely anything…to keep power.
Once again we are reminded that one third of Americans are screaming, out of their mind, moronic, dangerous assholes. https://t.co/K54KHQEnLZ
— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) June 24, 2019
re: #37 Scottish Dragon
Check Oregon and how the state GOP has teamed up with the militias to see what 2020 could end up looking like. This shit isn’t funny any more.
“…Answers were also influenced by political beliefs. While most respondents overall opposed military action against North Korea, the “majority of Trump supporters prefer the US strike in every scenario, except when confidence in the effectiveness of the US conventional strike is 50 percent”—and even then it remained at 44 percent as opposed to a mere 8 percent for non-supporters. Separately, those who backed the death penalty were actually more eager to inflict a higher death toll among North Korean civilians.”
newsweek.com
re: #39 Skip Intro
Check Oregon and how the state GOP has teamed up with the militias to see what 2020 could end up looking like. This shit isn’t funny any more.
Gonna look more like Somalia than any USA I recall living in…
re: #27 Scottish Dragon
So he would win the House since each delegation only gets one vote, and the Senate picks whomever.
Yes, he can steal the election even if it is utter runaway landslide. This is also the scenario that could literally break the country apart, with states like California refusing to recognize Trump is lawful President and National Guard being called to use force on millions of protestors. This way lies madness.
If it goes down this way, Civil War 2.0 is a very real possibility.
By my count, Republicans control 25 state delegations in the House. There are three or four that are split evenly, and a couple more where swinging two seats would give Democrats control a majority by state delegations.
I don’t think it comes to that. More likely, Congress would be very weary of overturning the electoral college vote, unless there was something really screwy happening.
re: #40 jaunte
Of course they like the idea of bombing a bunch of Asians out of existence.
However, they’re such fucking idiots they apparently don’t realize how damaging a counterstrike would be for ‘Merica.
re: #39 Skip Intro
Check Oregon and how the state GOP has teamed up with the militias to see what 2020 could end up looking like. This shit isn’t funny any more.
I have seen this coming for several years now, and it is a reason why I left the GOP to begin with. It started becoming an apocalyptic death cult.
I am very much afraid that people are going to be killed over whatever happens in the next election, and that Trump and McConnell will unleash a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle when shooting starts.
The acquisition of power has its’ own logic, and it tends to ratchet towards violence and tyranny.
re: #40 jaunte
“…Answers were also influenced by political beliefs. While most respondents overall opposed military action against North Korea, the “majority of Trump supporters prefer the US strike in every scenario, except when confidence in the effectiveness of the US conventional strike is 50 percent”—and even then it remained at 44 percent as opposed to a mere 8 percent for non-supporters. Separately, those who backed the death penalty were actually more eager to inflict a higher death toll among North Korean civilians.”
newsweek.com
For once, the headline is less volatile than the content. Those numbers are for approval of a FIRST STRIKE. Every president since Truman has rejected the first-strike option.
I vaguely recall this scenario playing out before, with the state legislators leaving the state to avoid a quorum. I can’t remember where it happened, I want to say, maybe Montana or possibly Missouri in the 90s? But google is only giving me stuff on Oregon right now.
Stars including Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Mark Hamill, John Lithgow and Alyssa Milano will perform in a play based on the special counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russian interference in the 2016 election https://t.co/8TY7vxsmNP
— CNN (@CNN) June 24, 2019
re: #42 KGxvi
By my count, Republicans control 25 state delegations in the House. There are three or four that are split evenly, and a couple more where swinging two seats would give Democrats control a majority by state delegations.
I don’t think it comes to that. More likely, Congress would be very weary of overturning the electoral college vote, unless there was something really screwy happening.
Trump’s best movie it to force this into the House. All bets are off after that. State GOP legislatures tend to be more wild and extreme that what you see nationally (God knows they are here in NC) and if they can throw the election they will.
Difficult to express how great it is to see a Democrat who isn’t just aware of this very obvious bad faith tactic, but will call it out and refuse to back down when the right wing noise machine pulls this shit. https://t.co/zCuZMqrOJX
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 24, 2019
re: #46 KGxvi
Happened in Texas a few years ago. Dems fled across the border to Arkansas.
Nobody threatened to start shooting, though.
re: #46 KGxvi
It’s happened before - Texas Democrats fled to New Mexico over redistricting legislation.
It’s also happened at the US Senate too.
re: #48 Scottish Dragon
Trump’s best movie it to force this into the House. All bets are off after that. State GOP legislatures tend to be more wild and extreme that what you see nationally (God knows they are here in NC) and if they can throw the election they will.
He’s going to need a majority of House delegations, so he has to get to 26. Under the current configuration, we’d have a hung House. But there are plenty of places where Democrats could try to pick up a couple of seats in the House that would shift the balance to where the Democrats control 26 delegations. If that’s the case, then he’s out of luck. And that’s assuming the House even decides to reject some electoral votes to get the winner under 270 votes. I just don’t see how that happens, not given Trump’s numbers as it stands today, anyway.
re: #50 Scottish Dragon
Happened in Texas a few years ago. Dems fled across the border to Arkansas.
Nobody threatened to start shooting, though.
That’s the new Bundy twist. This is what happens when you let terrorists take over government propery without an immediate response.
The comparison has unfortunately become valid…but it is telling you are more outraged by debate over the historical term than the fact of children being detained in criminally neglectful conditions. Go to hell.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
re: #52 KGxvi
He’s going to need a majority of House delegations, so he has to get to 26. Under the current configuration, we’d have a hung House.
That would be utterly nuts. If anything could precipitate armed militias in the street and martial law, that would be a scenario to really avoid.
Hope to God none of this happens and we take enough state legislatures to keep the possibility off the shelf.
re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg
Somehow I really don’t think most of the country would be too pleased about their votes being effectively invalidated.
You mean like the way the EC worked in 2000 and 2016? Not as dramatic, sure, but the result was still “effectively invalidating” the votes of most of the country. And if there’s going to be a revolution about that, it’s pretty slow getting started.
re: #46 KGxvi
I vaguely recall this scenario playing out before, with the state legislators leaving the state to avoid a quorum. I can’t remember where it happened, I want to say, maybe Montana or possibly Missouri in the 90s? But google is only giving me stuff on Oregon right now.
Alaska?
re: #46 KGxvi
I vaguely recall this scenario playing out before, with the state legislators leaving the state to avoid a quorum. I can’t remember where it happened, I want to say, maybe Montana or possibly Missouri in the 90s? But google is only giving me stuff on Oregon right now.
wisconsin
re: #57 i(m)p(each)sos
You mean like the way the EC worked in 2000 and 2016? Not as dramatic, sure, but the result was still “effectively invalidating” the votes of most of the country. And if there’s going to be a revolution about that, it’s pretty slow getting started.
Lot’s of people understand the EC in the abstract. The scenario described above will blow plenty of gaskets.
I do not see Civil War or Trump refusing to vacate the Presidency, but they will certainly launch a narrative that the Democratic President is somehow not “legitimate” and therefore nobody that they will work with.
The group is calling for a Red Deal, a new movement with a broad platform that includes treaty rights, land restoration, restoration of watersheds and waterways, and a moratorium on oil and gas extraction. https://t.co/afK2qdRVx2 #nmpol #GreenNewDeal
— NM Political Report (@NMreport) June 24, 2019
re: #60 Belafon
Lot’s of people understand the EC in the abstract. The scenario described above will blow plenty of gaskets.
its right up there in the obscurity realm with knowing all the steps of impeachment
re: #62 wrenchwench
I wonder if we’ll see the “Oil Lives Matter” movement come out of this.
re: #64 Belafon
I wonder if we’ll see the “Oil Lives Matter” movement come out of this.
Punsters go home!!
re: #65 wrenchwench
Punsters go home!!
I’m being serious. A minority group is being asked to be taken seriously, which will once again threaten a group of white people.
re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I do not see Civil War or Trump refusing to vacate the Presidency, but they will certainly launch a narrative that the Democratic President is somehow not “legitimate” and therefore nobody that they will work with.
He will refuse to leave. He cannot admit defeat and he knows he is at grave legal risk the moment he leaves. He has been building the “Illegals rigged the election” theme for two years now and he will weaponize it in 2020 to mount legal challenges IMHO. I see no reason for him to NOT to do it.
He does not respect the tradition of peaceful turnover of power, and he does not recognize or respect anything else beyond his immediate fulfillment of needs. What seems obvious to me at this point is that Trump will do the worst thing possible if allowed, and he will do it without thought or hesitation. Moreover, he equates use of armed force with strength. He already toyed with the idea of a National Guard occupation of Chicago a year ago. When things get dicey here and protestors have taken over the streets to demand he leaves, he knows exactly what his base will demand and love:
Beating us and shooting at us.
It’s like Ricardo Mantalban mated with Ernest Borgnine
— Cocked & Loaded Frank (@goddamnedfrank) June 24, 2019
re: #52 KGxvi
He’s going to need a majority of House delegations, so he has to get to 26. Under the current configuration, we’d have a hung House. But there are plenty of places where Democrats could try to pick up a couple of seats in the House that would shift the balance to where the Democrats control 26 delegations. If that’s the case, then he’s out of luck. And that’s assuming the House even decides to reject some electoral votes to get the winner under 270 votes. I just don’t see how that happens, not given Trump’s numbers as it stands today, anyway.
This is in serious banana republic territory, but it’s not exactly terra incognita in other parts of the world. Even Kim Jong Fucking Un needs to “win” elections to keep a veneer of legitimacy, and this sort of shit is an obvious coup. At this point, you start counting noses in the military and security apparatus, and it’s more the members of the general officer corps that count than whichever crony is defense minister. Also, you might want to take a look at the militias of the bigger states as well.
So, at this point, if you’re going to transparently steal an election, it’s a good idea not to have pissed off the military, intelligence apparatus, and federal police. Trump hasn’t really done well here.
re: #69 ericblair
This is in serious banana republic territory, but it’s not exactly terra incognita in other parts of the world. Even Kim Jong Fucking Un needs to “win” elections to keep a veneer of legitimacy, and this sort of shit is an obvious coup. At this point, you start counting noses in the military and security apparatus, and it’s more the members of the general officer corps that count than whichever crony is defense minister. Also, you might want to take a look at the militias of the bigger states as well.
So, at this point, if you’re going to transparently steal an election, it’s a good idea not to have pissed off the military, intelligence apparatus, and federal police. Trump hasn’t really done well here.
True. I think he has every reason to try for it though, if he looses the general election.
re: #71 ericblair
He’s a coward?
He wants to stay out of prison and be a “winner” more than anything else. Also, he is telling other people to do it or depending on them (in the states) to take the hint. Trump always lets his lawyers be the attack dogs for things he cannot bear to do face to face.
re: #66 Belafon
I’m being serious. A minority group is being asked to be taken seriously, which will once again threaten a group of white people.
Ahhhh, the heritage of all those well-diggers and pipeline workers must be defended!
re: #74 wrenchwench
Ahhhh, the heritage of all those well-diggers and pipeline workers must be defended!
people who come and stay in a community until the construction project has moved on
I did not know this:
On Nov. 26, Bush was ahead statewide by 537 votes, but a court ordered a hand recount of 70,000 ballots that vote-counting machines had rejected. On Dec. 12, the Supreme Court overruled the Florida Supreme Court’s decision to allow a recount, thus giving Bush a narrow victory. While all this was going on, the Republican-controlled Florida state legislature was holding a special session to pass a law giving itself the power to pick the electors should it not like what the courts finally decided. In the end, that wasn’t necessary.
So it has already been given a test run. Fuck me.
Nobody can know exactly how relevant the 200-year-old story of the decline and fall of the Federalist Party is today. However, it does suggest that while the American system of government has a lot of room for political partisans to claim more power than is their due, there is also such a thing as “too much.” If the GOP does engage in shenanigans to keep Donald Trump in office, then non-Republicans will perceive (with some justification) that in the span of two decades, the minority party conspired to steal the White House (twice), control of the Supreme court, a sizable number of seats in Congress and/or in state legislatures through gerrymandering, and a fair number of governors’ mansions and other positions through ballot-box manipulation (slashing voter rolls, voter ID laws, wonky voting hours, etc.). A second civil war is unlikely, and today’s GOP may or may not suffer the same fate as yesterday’s Federalists. However, as we have been reminded repeatedly in the last several years, this is a federal system where state governments have a great deal of power. A situation where the Californias and New Yorks and Oregons of the world largely ignore the federal government, up to and including withholding tax revenue, is certainly a possibility. It is not actually all that easy for the Feds to put down wide-scale rebellion (see, for example, the anti-Vietnam War protests). So, any Senate Majority Leaders who think they are bulletproof, and that there will be no consequences for their actions, regardless of how undemocratic they are, should think very carefully before acting on that instinct. (V & Z)
Even Jennifer Rubin is dragging Chuck Todd.
Trump’s lies need to be exposed in real time
…Allowing Trump and his ilk to bluster and flat-out lie their way through interviews might be the path of least resistance when trying to cover a lot of ground. However, if Trump and his teammates are not stopped dead in their tracks, the media become a platform for deceiving voters.
re: #76 Scottish Dragon
I did not know this:
So it has already been given a test run. Fuck me.
Most states already have laws that basically force the electors to vote the way the state went, which was one of the reasons there weren’t any real defections in 2016.
re: #78 Amory Blaine
Even Jennifer Rubin is dragging Chuck Todd.
Like in 2016 where he got a complete pass?
Bill has 3/5 of a point here…
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
Wow. These Holocaust survivors have a powerful message for @AOC.
It’s absolutely disgusting what she will do to advance her partisan political agenda.
God bless all who survived the Holocaust and thank you @TPUSA for creating this video. pic.twitter.com/IgE6StzNRN— Andrew Pollack (@AndrewPollackFL) June 23, 2019
This is very disappointing. The Right-Wing exploiting Holocaust survivors to support their human rights violations of immigrant children.
re: #80 Skip Intro
Like in 2016 where he got a complete pass?
To call out his lies in person or even at all, is to endanger access. And their idea of “journalism” is simply celebrity access. They are not about to endanger that.
re: #79 Belafon
Most states already have laws that basically force the electors to vote the way the state went, which was one of the reasons there weren’t any real defections in 2016.
NC and WI had laws and constitutions giving certain powers to the governor, which did not stop the GOP legislatures from convening emergency lame duck sessions to change those laws and amend their constitutions when Democrats got elected.
They did it right here in NC, and don’t think for one minute they wouldn’t do it again for the biggest prize in the country.
Narrator: “radical belief,” my ass. That’s exactly what happened. https://t.co/U8lx1Uu9w8
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 24, 2019
re: #82 DodgerFan1988
This is very disappointing. The Right-Wing exploiting Holocaust survivors to support their human rights violations of immigrant children.
For all of those, there have been plenty of survivors calling them concentration camps. And then we also have the Japenese who were interred in camps that Roosevelt called concentration camps.
The fact that people like Pollack feel they need to hide behind the Holocaust to justify these camps is telling.
re: #86 Belafon
For all of those, there have been plenty of survivors calling them concentration camps. And then we also have the Japenese who were interred in camps that Roosevelt called concentration camps.
The fact that people like Pollack feel they need to hide behind the Holocaust to justify these camps is telling.
FDR’s internment camps. https://t.co/tpHgh9dBQ4
— The Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) June 24, 2019
Dear Lord.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
re: #51 lawhawk
It’s happened before - Texas Democrats fled to New Mexico over redistricting legislation.
It’s also happened at the US Senate too.
Democrats in Wisconsin did it to try to stop Scott Walkers union busting bill
FDR called them concentration camps, my dude.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
re: #87 DodgerFan1988
Dear Lord.
From here, history.com, about relocating Japenese to “internment camps”:
An elderly man attempted to flee and was shot and killed. After settling in, at least two men were shot and killed while trying to escape.
Did AOC actively compare these camps to the Holocaust or did she just dare to use the “wrong” term to describe them?
re: #90 Scottish Dragon
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I learned that they were concentration camps in history class. I also learned they they were wrong.
AOC calling them concentration camps is the best thing that could have happened for these caged children. At least people are talking now.
When your ideology is reactionary and based on hating your enemy it encumbers you to irrational positions based on contrarianism or just plain taunting or trolling. Currently:
- They’re not concentration camps
- So what if a gov murdered a journo, there’s a lot of money on the table and they’d buy it from somebody else anyway
- Democrats are the real racists
- All those 22 or so women accusing Trump are lying
- Everything bad is socialism
As time goes on it will get worse becoming more caricatured and predictable. This is not a viable political party any more.
re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Did AOC actively compare these camps to the Holocaust or did she just dare to use the “wrong” term to describe them?
Neither. A bunch of disingenuous people are conflating concentration camps with death camps and ignoring the fact that the latter are but a subset of the former.
So if I had to fight in a war for freedom and the next generation got it for, like…FREE, that means my freedom is useless? I need my kid to go get in a firefight to make my freedom have intrinsic value? Wow. BTW…cancel the fucking student debt.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
Amazing how conservatives are hard pressing Political Correctness about concentration camps.
re: #96 goddamnedfrank
Neither. A bunch of disingenuous people are conflating concentration camps with death camps and ignoring the fact that the latter is but a subset of the former.
Sort of like the way almost any online discussion of rape almost immediately leads to a conflation of violent rape with date rape or various forms of non-consensual & statutory rape, etc…
re: #69 ericblair
This is in serious banana republic territory, but it’s not exactly terra incognita in other parts of the world. Even Kim Jong Fucking Un needs to “win” elections to keep a veneer of legitimacy, and this sort of shit is an obvious coup. At this point, you start counting noses in the military and security apparatus, and it’s more the members of the general officer corps that count than whichever crony is defense minister. Also, you might want to take a look at the militias of the bigger states as well.
So, at this point, if you’re going to transparently steal an election, it’s a good idea not to have pissed off the military, intelligence apparatus, and federal police. Trump hasn’t really done well here.
its more than just not pissing them off
they dont want him
re: #97 Scottish Dragon
Just imagine working months and months then using the money to buy a piece of jewelry, then finding out that the Jewelry store is giving out the same piece to the masses for free.
Just imagine that you worked hard and bought your freedom from your master and then Abraham Lincoln came along and freed all the other slaves for nothing. Wouldn’t that make your freedom feel worthless?
re: #100 DangerMan
I’ve been calling them Banana Republicans for a while now. More appropro than ever.
re: #81 Scottish Dragon
It reinforces the radical belief that the United States was founded by racist white men who installed a system whereby white guys would run everything and blacks, women and others would be exploited.
yup that’s exactly what they did do
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re: #86 Belafon
For all of those, there have been plenty of survivors calling them concentration camps. And then we also have the Japenese who were interred in camps that Roosevelt called concentration camps.
The fact that people like Pollack feel they need to hide behind the Holocaust to justify these camps is telling.
and to repeat an unoriginal thought, that arguing over the word is more important than what is actually happening in those places
“Quit trying to make us feel teary-eyed for CHILDREN.”
Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party. pic.twitter.com/5YY99FcAYV— Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) June 23, 2019
No hope for humanity.
Me three weeks ago: I’m gonna kill that f—-ing pigeon if it doesn’t go away.
Me this morning: NOBODY TOUCH ANYTHING I AM THE MOTHER OF DRAGONS pic.twitter.com/VcFGBpXiw2— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) June 24, 2019
re: #104 DangerMan
and to repeat an unoriginal thought, that arguing over the word is more important than what is actually happening in those places
that is the whole point, the GOP are good at spinning the discussion off into irrelevancy, like turning the Kavanaugh hearings into a he-said-she-said debate instead of focusing on whether this fellow was fit for a lifetime appointment to America’s highest judicial body
re: #76 Scottish Dragon
I did not know this:
So it has already been given a test run. Fuck me.
That was a slightly unique situation where Florida was facing the prospect of having no electoral votes. There’s also Section 2 of the 14th Amendment that could come into play:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
I’m not sure that provision has ever actually been tested, but it could come into play.
“Indians not taxed”?
re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
“Indians not taxed”?
Previously, Native Americans who lived on reservations were not subject to taxation. That same language is included in the census clause as well.
re: #110 KGxvi
Previously, Native Americans who lived on reservations were not subject to taxation. That same language is included in the census clause as well.
I know, I assume that the 14th Amendment overrides that clause now.
re: #110 KGxvi
To be clear, Native Americans weren’t necessarily automatically US citizens until 1924.
re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
No, the “Indians not taxed” language is also in the 14th Amendment. In 1924, Congress granted all Native Americans US citizenship. Which had the effect of changing their standing with respect to taxation.
‘Straight’
….a dangerous journey. We don’t even need to be there in that the U.S. has just become (by far) the largest producer of Energy anywhere in the world! The U.S. request for Iran is very simple - No Nuclear Weapons and No Further Sponsoring of Terror!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 24, 2019
As apposed to Gay of Hormuz
re: #108 KGxvi
That was a slightly unique situation where Florida was facing the prospect of having no electoral votes. There’s also Section 2 of the 14th Amendment that could come into play:
I’m not sure that provision has ever actually been tested, but it could come into play.
Here there be dragons. The guardrails have never been tested like this before.
re: #97 Scottish Dragon
Just imagine working months and months then using the money to buy a piece of jewelry, then finding out that the Jewelry store is giving out the same piece to the masses for free.
they call that “a sale”
(notwithstanding the ‘free’ part)
re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Because we have had the best trained navy in the world for several decades and have also recognized that open trade lanes is in our national security interest. This isn’t fucking hard to understand.
re: #105 DodgerFan1988
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No hope for humanity.
‘it’s up to the parents’
but we’re gonna mistreat the children
A new round of sanctions should finally make him understand the US’ resolve, and that he can’t use his death 3 decades ago to hide from our nations reach
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“Ayatollah Khomeini and his office will not be spared from the sanctions” - terrible news for Ayatollah Khomeini https://t.co/uAQoZJtTKJ
— Tom Gara (@tomgara) June 24, 2019
re: #116 Scottish Dragon
Here there be dragons. The guardrails have never been tested like this before.
Mostly because, the last time we were in this situation, only white males could vote, and news didn’t travel as fast as it does now.
garlic rolls have a way of making the house…..aaaahhh
It’s actually very simple. If you don’t want to risk being accused of doing Nazi shit, don’t do Nazi shit.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) June 24, 2019
If you’re reduced to arguing …
“Sure, we’re taking children away from their parents and putting them in camps but they aren’t CONCENTRATION camps!”
… you have already fucking lost the argument and your soul as well.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 24, 2019
re: #123 Scottish Dragon
for the billionth time:
SEEKING ASYLUM IS NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT IS COMPLETELY FUCKING LEGAL YOU JACKWADASSHOLEMOTHERFUCKERS!
re: #123 Scottish Dragon
It’s actually very simple. If you don’t want to risk ending up in a detention center, then don’t illegally migrate to a foreign country.
seeking asylum is not illegal migration
if you can confuse and conflate those two concepts, then do not throw hissy fits over comparing detention centers to concentration camps
re: #113 KGxvi
No, the “Indians not taxed” language is also in the 14th Amendment. In 1924, Congress granted all Native Americans US citizenship. Which had the effect of changing their standing with respect to taxation.
The single finest moment in Coolidge’s presidency.
re: #125 KGxvi
for the billionth time:
SEEKING ASYLUM IS NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT IS COMPLETELY FUCKING LEGAL YOU JACKWADASSHOLEMOTHERFUCKERS!
re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
‘Straight’
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The continued abusive relationship he has with the English language aside, he seems to be slowly realizing this whole Iranian business is not an election winner like Bolton promised him and is now trying to find excuses to back out of it. He’s all but begging for Iran to give him a photo-op so he can claim a “win.”
re: #123 Scottish Dragon
It’s actually very simple. If you don’t want to risk ending up in a detention center, then don’t illegally migrate to a foreign country
- many of them have presented themselves legally for asylum. families still separated. rancid conditions dont seem to consider ‘legal’ from ‘illegal’
- you wanna treat a three year old (or younger) like shit because of what their parents ‘may’ have done?
re: #129 Targetpractice
The continued abusive relationship he has with the English language aside…
It also speaks volume about his management style that he does not let anybody check his messages before they go out. Indicates that he does not consider his decisions either
re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
seeking asylum is not illegal migration
if you can confuse and conflate those two concepts, then do not throw hissy fits over comparing detention centers to concentration camps
These dime store wannabe-lawyers are convinced that the asylum laws require any refugees from South America to seek asylum in Mexico only. Or that they must go to some place within their home countries, such as a US embassy, in order to apply for asylum. Because we’re all familiar with refugees sitting in a queue to seek relief like they’re waiting at the damned DMV.
re: #124 Charles Johnson
If you’re reduced to arguing …
“Sure, we’re taking children away from their parents and putting them in camps but they aren’t CONCENTRATION camps!”
… you have already fucking lost the argument and your soul as well.
so we agree on the facts
we’re just arguing over what to call it
re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
It also speaks volume about his management style that he does not let anybody check his messages before they go out. Indicates that he does not consider his decisions either
That’s been his MO for decades, though. He still believes he’s his best PR person.
re: #129 Targetpractice
The continued abusive relationship he has with the English language aside, he seems to be slowly realizing this whole Iranian business is not an election winner like Bolton promised him and is now trying to find excuses to back out of it. He’s all but begging for Iran to give him a photo-op so he can claim a “win.”
fortunately (i hope) enough people are starting to see (and say) you dont get credit for putting out a fire you started
re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
It also speaks volume about his management style that he does not let anybody check his messages before they go out. Indicates that he does not consider his decisions either
he’s way more the press secretary than president
re: #127 William Lewis
The single finest moment in Coolidge’s presidency.
I’ve not read much on Coolidge. But judging by his wikipedia page, perhaps I should. He definitely fit in with the laziee-faire economic policy of the time, but was also surprisingly liberal on civil rights issues.
re: #134 KGxvi
That’s been his MO for decades, though. He still believes he’s his best PR person.
no one else will do it (except sarah, and she’s out the door)
re: #125 KGxvi
for the billionth time:
SEEKING ASYLUM IS NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT IS COMPLETELY FUCKING LEGAL YOU JACKWADASSHOLEMOTHERFUCKERS!
Even if they are “illegal,” that’s still no excuse to mistreat them like “subhuman scum.” These people have no conscience.
re: #135 DangerMan
fortunately (i hope) enough people are starting to see (and say) you dont get credit for putting out a fire you started
It would be nice…but I doubt it. They just don’t want another war and if he can get a “win” via another photo-op and a worthless piece of paper, then the public is prepared to accept that.
re: #139 DodgerFan1988
Even if they are “illegal,” that’s still no excuse to mistreat them like “subhuman scum.” These people have no conscience.
They look forward to any excuse to do so
re: #139 DodgerFan1988
Even if they are “illegal,” that’s still no excuse to mistreat them like “subhuman scum.” These people have no conscience.
We’re talking the people who cheered at rallies when their dictator-in-chief called on cops to smack around those they arrest.
re: #97 Scottish Dragon
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By this “logic”, it’s injustice when any product is sold for a better price at a later date.
re: #143 Mike Lamb
By this “logic”, it’s injustice when any product is sold for a better price at a later date.
Well, I certainly felt cheated when Bethesda dropped the price of Fallout 76 by $20 just two weeks after release.
re: #8 Belafon
Yes I assume investigations are going on. I’m just not seeing them. They don’t appear to be making a splash in the media.
re: #143 Mike Lamb
By this “logic”, it’s injustice when any product is sold for a better price at a later date.
sale, discount, liquidation, reduced
it’s all rhetorical twaddle intended to ‘gotcha’. and they all fall flat
re: #145 Patricia Kayden
Yes I assume investigations are going on. I’m just not seeing them. They don’t appear to be making a splash in the media.
Hence the weakness of the “Constant investigations can substitute for impeachment!” argument, namely that if nobody feels that the matter is of grave importance, then nobody gives a damn. The leadership is not running a brave “fight” against the WH, they’re going through the motions for the sake of doing so.
you know who’s an idiot?
Paul Ryan’s an idiot
Former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) told PBS Newshour that President Trump’s popularity is because he stands up for the “forgotten man.”
re: #137 KGxvi
I’ve not read much on Coolidge. But judging by his wikipedia page, perhaps I should. He definitely fit in with the laziee-faire economic policy of the time, but was also surprisingly liberal on civil rights issues.
Though he also signed the 1924 Immigration Act - which included the Asian Exclusion Act. So despite personal reservations he just went along with the nativist (and isolationist) wave that was running strong at the time.
re: #21 I Would Prefer Not To
Pence can’t pardon him from state charges though. NY is gonna get him. Or so I hope.
re: #1 jaunte
#BREAKING 300+ refugee kids were moved out of Texas #TrumpCamps after disgusting conditions reported. WHERE DID THEY GO? #WhereAreTheChildren?#FamiliesBelongTogether!
BREAKING: Government moves more than 300 children out of Texas Border Patrol station after AP report of perilous conditions.
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 24, 2019
…
gee- if things are so all fired great in these places - as they keep saying - why would they think they needed to move ‘most’ of them out? //
re: #148 DangerMan
What popularity? His approving ratings are at around 40%. Most of us can’t stand him.
re: #151 DangerMan
gee- if things are so all fired great in these places - as they keep saying - why would they think they needed to move ‘most’ of them out? //
to get them out of sight until they can think of something
re: #152 Patricia Kayden
What popularity? His approving ratings are at around 40%. Most of us can’t stand him.
(i said he was an idiot)
It’s unsanitary, it’s cruel, it’s inhumane, and it’s against US and international law.
The doctor described it as being “tantamount to intentionally causing the spread of disease.”#migrantchildrenarechildren #TrumpCamps #NoKidsInCages https://t.co/C9vQjimq4C— Patty Sagasti Suppes 🌎 (@PattySuppes) June 24, 2019
Fox News already have a talking point if a virus breaks out in one of the camps and kills scores of children:
“That’s why they’re detained for our safety! To prevent diseases from spreading to Americans! Told you so!”
re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
to get them out of sight until they can think of something
but but but that would mean something was wrong….
re: #152 Patricia Kayden
What popularity? His approving ratings are at around 40%. Most of us can’t stand him.
Gotta think in wingnut terms. When the polls shows he’s less popular than pubic lice, then they’re “fake,” “inaccurate,” or “biased.” Hence why they’ll make such ridiculous statements like (paraphrased) “If they didn’t oversample so many Dems, his numbers would be above 60%!” They believe him to be a wildly successful president, with the lack of reflection into the polls indicative not of some inherent issue with him or his work, but the people compiling the polls having a hidden agenda.
re: #155 DodgerFan1988
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Fox News already have a talking point if a virus breaks out in one of the camps and kills scores of children:
“That’s why they’re detained for our safety! To prevent diseases from spreading to Americans! Told you so!”
prove a detainee brought the virus in and they didnt all catch it from staff or due to the conditions
re: #156 DangerMan
but but but that would mean something was wrong….
“No, it just means that this crisis has led to regrettable overcrowding in these otherwise fine facilities! If the Dems would just stop trying to beat Trump and work with him, we’d have all the funding we needed to build adequate facilities…though we wouldn’t need them because The Wall would quickly bring an end to all illegal immigration!”
The Taliban gave me toothpaste & soap.
— David Rohde (@RohdeD) June 24, 2019
This guy was kidnapped and held by the Taliban for 8 months. https://t.co/dyLGYk9BJp
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) June 24, 2019
re: #157 Targetpractice
Gotta think in wingnut terms. When the polls shows he’s less popular than pubic lice, then they’re “fake,” “inaccurate,” or “biased.” Hence why they’ll make such ridiculous statements like (paraphrased) “If they didn’t oversample so many Dems, his numbers would be above 60%!” They believe him to be a wildly successful president, with the lack of reflection into the polls indicative not of some inherent issue with him or his work, but the people compiling the polls having a hidden agenda.
if they only sampled people with MAGA hats, his number would be 100%
re: #118 KGxvi
Because we have had the best trained navy in the world for several decades and have also recognized that open trade lanes is in our national security interest. This isn’t fucking hard to understand.
Except that in Trump’s (sorry excuse for a) mind, no task is worth doing unless there’s a direct financial payoff involved. Preferably one to Donald Trump personally, or to the Trump Org., but the US generally will do….
So I’m guessing The Donald would be just fine with the Iranians (Saudis, Gulf States, whoever) subcontracting tanker-escort duties to the Chinese Navy? Or the Russians? I mean, 100,000-ton supercarriers are nice warships for sure: but wouldn’t somebody else be willing/able to do the job cheaper??
re: #159 Targetpractice
“No, it just means that this crisis has led to regrettable overcrowding in these otherwise fine facilities! If the Dems would just stop trying to beat Trump and work with him, we’d have all the funding we needed to build adequate facilities…though we wouldn’t need them because The Wall would quickly bring an end to all illegal immigration!”
maybe that lady prosecutor should have tried that in court last week
6 children are dead, and 3 more found yesterday.
“This is America’s shame. These kids, and what my country did to them, keep me up at night. They should keep you up, too.
Their names should be trending on Twitter.”https://t.co/monG6KzZqZ— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) June 24, 2019
re: #158 DangerMan
prove a detainee brought the virus in and they didnt all catch it from staff or due to the conditions
They won’t be interested in truth or proof. Just the rapid seizure of the discussion towards declaring the immigrants (children or not) as a threat. And any real discussion of the conditions or cause will be pushed to the back page and ignored.
re: #158 DangerMan
prove a detainee brought the virus in and they didnt all catch it from staff or due to the conditions
These nimrods have blamed every single widespread outbreak of disease in the past 2 decades on “illegals.” I still remember their bleating back in ‘14 that if the US didn’t immediately close her borders, a terrorist might sneak across infected with Ebola and cause an epidemic.
re: #102 BigPapa
I’ve been calling them Banana Republicans for a while now. More appropro than ever.
I’ve been calling them that since 2000.
I strongly suspect if I ran a poll of college-educated voters, most would feel that their education was “devalued” less by the possibility that college debt might be forgiven…than finding their years of studying and training made useless flipping burgers during the Great Recession. Or being informed that, after years of loyal service, they’re being “let go” due to “downsizing,” BUT will be allowed a few weeks more pay if they should choose to stick around long enough to train their replacement from India who works for less because he’s not carting around a mountain of student loan debt.
re: #155 DodgerFan1988
Fox News already have a talking point if a virus breaks out in one of the camps and kills scores of children:
“That’s why they’re detained for our safety! To prevent diseases from spreading to Americans! Told you so!”
“Anne Frank deserved to die from typhus.”
re: #38 jaunte
But calling them Deplorables is the real problem.
The White House will block counselor Kellyanne Conway from testifying before a House panel about allegations by a government watchdog that she violated the Hatch Act, increasing the likelihood of another subpoena battle between the two branches of government.
White House lawyers planned to reject the House Oversight Committee’s request for Conway to appear at a Wednesday hearing, according to two White House officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity Monday to freely discuss private deliberations.
The White House counsel will argue that in accordance with long-standing precedent, staff in the West Wing do not testify before Congress.
House Democrats counter, however, that the White House has no right to claim executive privileged or immunity for Conway because the alleged violations in questions deal with her personal actions — not her duties advising the president or working in the West Wing.
re: #171 Amory Blaine
Congress calls WH staff to testify, WH tells them to fuck off, and the matter goes to court.
Second verse, same as the first.
re: #169 Belafon
“Anne Frank deserved to die from typhus.”
Your house is on fire. You grab your child and run out. The neighbors there—you’ve never met, but they’re upwind, maybe they’ll let you in. You enter their gate. They lock you in the garage and send your kid away. Who knows where. Guess you shouldn’t have trespassed.
— Deborah Roseman (@roseperson) July 7, 2018
re: #174 jaunte
Again, this is like saying “if you didn’t want to be shot to death by a cop, don’t drive with a broken tail light.” The penalty for improper border crossing is generally a $10 fine, not kidnapping your kids and putting them in a concentration camp. https://t.co/QvBJl0udza
— Deborah Roseman (@roseperson) June 24, 2019
re: #175 Patricia Kayden
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You don’t want to go to the camps? Well, then you shouldn’t have been Jewish. Oh, you say you’re not Jewish? Well, your mother was Jewish, so by law you’re Jewish. Now get on the train or be shot dead, it’s your choice.
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re: #46 KGxvi
I vaguely recall this scenario playing out before, with the state legislators leaving the state to avoid a quorum. I can’t remember where it happened, I want to say, maybe Montana or possibly Missouri in the 90s? But google is only giving me stuff on Oregon right now.
Texas. 1979. A bunch of Democratic state senators went and hid over bills that would have moved Texas’ presidential primary date.
A “Bee Man” delivers a message to the Texas state House.
There have been others, but afaik, this is the one, the only, the original quorum busting action.
If Not Now, When?#migrantchildrenarechildren #TrumpCamps #NoKidsInCages
— yntbe (@yntbe) June 24, 2019
“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.” — Elie Wiesel pic.twitter.com/sl8iizMXBh
— Pat Bagley (@Patbagley) June 24, 2019
Why does it feel like so many people think that “Never again” just means “it shall never again be 1939”?
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) June 24, 2019
Hold. It is not past tense. They have not stopped holding them in #TrumpConcentrationCamps they just relocate them. @$775.00 per child/adult per day, someone is profiting mightily. Perhaps John Kelly can enlighten us.
We have a moral responsibility to end this. #CloseTheCamps https://t.co/omUe1powBM— Doctor Patois (@drpatois) June 24, 2019
Where were the conservatives denouncing Rubio for disgracing the memory of the Holocaust? Could it be they are all full of shit? https://t.co/cnMRCvvMsI
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) June 24, 2019
There is nothing better than this tradition https://t.co/j3auQLGDFl
— Elise Foley (@elisefoley) June 24, 2019
These illegal immigrants brought the sicknesses & parasites with them! Doesn’t make it any less of an issue, but it’s not our fault!@HouseDemocrats refusal to act is at fault….@HouseDemocrats @HouseGOP @WhiteHouse
— Mark Hohe (@realMarkHohe) June 24, 2019
To All Patriots We Have To Defeat & Defend Our Country & Start Deporting All illegals aliens Parasites like this one who killed an innocent American ⬇️ & All Illegal DACA People Too! & Together We’ll #KAG #MAGA FOREVER 🇺🇸RT pic.twitter.com/KWsUdnEzO5
— JoeyMikkael 🇺🇸 (@JoeyMikkael) June 24, 2019
So what…they should really be put out in the streets until deported. I do not feel sorry for any of these illegal leeches 😡 https://t.co/CqiZhiwQLM
— tom webb (@tomwebb04905393) June 24, 2019
They brought the lice, flu and many other diseases with them! DEPORT THEM NOW! I’m sick of supporting ungrateful criminal ILLEGAL LEECHES!@realDonaldTrump @SenateGOP @HouseGOP @WhiteHouse @GOPLeader @senatemajldr @GOP
You are either WITH your supporters or you are against us!!!— Debbie McGee (@DebbieM6688) June 24, 2019
They are illegal and with the problem that we have and the amount coming in because of your parties weak laws we should just treat them like cockroaches.
— Steven Baker (@roscoe_baker) June 23, 2019
Don’t call them “deplorables.”
And remember that most of them consider themselves good proper Christians as well.
re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader
It’s a Nazi jamboree.
re: #125 KGxvi
for the billionth time:
SEEKING ASYLUM IS NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT IS COMPLETELY FUCKING LEGAL YOU JACKWADASSHOLEMOTHERFUCKERS!
Thank you. I took a right wing friend of mine to the woodshed for that crap on FB last night.
re: #145 Patricia Kayden
Yes I assume investigations are going on. I’m just not seeing them. They don’t appear to be making a splash in the media.
Might have something to do with the fact that Congress isn’t in session this week, too.
re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader
And remember that most of them consider themselves good proper Christians as well.
Was just about to say this.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7: 21-23
re: #175 Patricia Kayden
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I’ve been thinking about this aspect of it all. Even if a particular border crossing was, in fact, illegal, it’s a misdemeanor. Wonder if these yahoos would be a bit pissed if they were separated from their kids due to a jaywalking citation?
re: #184 DodgerFan1988
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Don’t call them “deplorables.”
Can the blue states stop supporting the leeches in the red states?
re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg
Was just about to say this.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7: 21-23
Ya know, I’d prefer to do away with these assholes instead of waiting around for some imaginary being to do something in some imaginary place. That’s the problem with fucking christians, they all think god is gonna do something so we don’t have to. Spit.
I’m not aiming that at you eclectic, I’m sick of these people and their goddamn bible shit
re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg
re: #125 KGxvi
for the billionth time:
SEEKING ASYLUM IS NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT IS COMPLETELY FUCKING LEGAL YOU JACKWADASSHOLEMOTHERFUCKERS!
And unfortunately, for about the billionth time again, it must be noted that the sort of Deplorables who post those lovely “cockroachs” and “leeches” tweets as reproduced above DO NOT FUCKING CARE in the least about the *legal* definitions of asylum-seeking: they just don’t want any of “THEM” in “their” country, and are only too willing to countenance any cruelty or inhumanity that will deter “THEM” from even trying to come here.
re: #192 Old Liberal
You’re good.
Fact is, Jesus would look at these camps and say “What the fuck is wrong with you people?”.
So many professed Christians don’t know a freaking about the man they have supposedly given their lives too. This country would be a much better place if Christians actually acted like Jesus.
I’m not perfect, but I stay humble. I love openly and treat everyone with respect. I help out with a weekly homeless ministry to keep myself grounded. Some of us do get it right.
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
You’re good.
Fact is, Jesus would look at these camps and say “What the fuck is wrong with you people?”.
So many professed Christians don’t know a freaking about the man they have supposedly given their lives too. This country would be a much better place if Christians actually acted like Jesus.
In my world, here’s reality. Those kids are dead. There is no afterlife. And the people that killed them? They’ll be dead someday and there is no hell. And the ones that cheer it on? No hell for them either. The only hell these evil fuckers will ever face is the one they should face right here, right now. I wish someone smarter than me could find a handle that people could grab and get out in the streets.
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
You’re good.
Fact is, Jesus would look at these camps and say “What the fuck is wrong with you people?”.
So many professed Christians don’t know a freaking about the man they have supposedly given their lives too. This country would be a much better place if Christians actually acted like Jesus.
Most professed “Christians” are not believers in the message of the New Testament; they are Leviticans. And they only really believe in god smiting those they don’t like, gay, brown, nor ‘merikan, etc. They ignore the rest of the Old Testament bits that they don’t like.
In case you were wondering what they’re using “children’s soap and toothpaste” money for. https://t.co/o3GxUc7IBC
— Eric Schmeltzer (@JustSchmeltzer) June 24, 2019
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
You’re good.
Fact is, Jesus would look at these camps and say “What the fuck is wrong with you people?”.
So many professed Christians don’t know a freaking about the man they have supposedly given their lives too. This country would be a much better place if Christians actually acted like Jesus.
many “christians” want jesus to just stay on the cross and keep his mouth shut instead of hanging out with the poor and undesirable and spouting all that hippie shit about loving your enemies and stuff
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
You’re good.
Fact is, Jesus would look at these camps and say “What the fuck is wrong with you people?”.
So many professed Christians don’t know a freaking about the man they have supposedly given their lives too. This country would be a much better place if Christians actually acted like Jesus.
I don’t think that those who support him care. He has repeatedly shown what he is and they applaud him nonetheless. He’s giving them anti-choice justices and that’s all they need. He bullies those who don’t worship him and they are fine with that. They are the mythical “good” Germans who saw their neighbors rounded up and didn’t care ;
they are the mythical “good” Germans who pretended they didn’t know what was happening at the German run extermination camps. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
So I see #CancelStudentDebt is currently the top trend on Twitter.
This is a gimmick of Sanders. That is, when he makes statements like this, about cancelling student debt, it is only to get himself in the news. Because he knows there are many people out there who will gravitate towards it.
But in reality, student debt comes in a variety of forms, and it is not clear to me that the US government can even “cancel” a debt between private individuals (remember, many students have gotten loans from lenders that are not the gov’t) outside of executing bankruptcy in court.
Personally I think the whole you-have-to-go-to-college-so-let-us-lend-you-thousands trap has been just that - a trap to get people who otherwise aren’t really interested in academic study caught into believing they have to do something when their lives may be much better if they didn’t make that choice.
re: #196 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Most professed “Christians” are not believers in the message of the New Testament; they are Leviticans. And they only really believe in god smiting those they don’t like, gay, brown, nor ‘merikan, etc. They ignore the rest of the Old Testament bits that they don’t like.
i always have fun asking evangelicals exactly how and under what authority they figure out which parts of the old testament need to be obeyed at all cost and which parts can be ignored
re: #200 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
So I see #CancelStudentDebt is currently the top trend on Twitter.
This is a gimmick of Sanders. That is, when he makes statements like this, about cancelling student debt, it is only to get himself in the news. Because he knows there are many people out there who will gravitate towards it.
But in reality, student debt comes in a variety of forms, and it is not clear to me that the US government can even “cancel” a debt between private individuals (remember, many students have gotten loans from lenders that are not the gov’t) outside of executing bankruptcy in court.
Personally I think the whole you-have-to-go-to-college-so-let-us-lend-you-thousands trap has been just that - a trap to get people who otherwise aren’t really interested in academic study caught into believing they have to do something when their lives may be much better if they didn’t make that choice.
Fun fact: after bankruptcy reform during the Bush Administration, student loan debt is no longer dischargable in bankruptcy.
I suspect most of the student loans they are talking about are the loans that were originally backed by Sallie Mae - of course most of those have since had their servicing rights (literally just the right to collect payments) transferred to private groups, likely because those loans were probably securitized and sold off like mortgages were a decade ago.
What would be interesting is to find out who actually holds the original wet ink signature loan documents. Because without those, you can’t actually collect. Same with mortgages - and I’m still skeptical that MERS actually kept the original hard copies on all those loans back in the day.
re: #202 KGxvi
Oh, I should add: Sanders isn’t the only one to propose this, Warren (I believe) already had a plan for canceling student loan debt.
re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg
Amen. Same book, 25:31-46 as well.
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re: #203 KGxvi
I know.
It’s not a good thing, I think.
There’s so much that is being missed by the “cancel” movement.
As I indicated, one of the big ones is why our government is encouraging people to go into debt to begin with, for something they otherwise would not have done.
Don’t get me wrong - I love academia. But I know that even in my day people went to college for essentially three reasons:
(1) maintain social status in their family (esp. Ivy league types);
(2) because the student is actually interested in studying particular subjects (this was my case);
(3) to avoid other social obligations, like the Draft.
IMO, and this is I guess just a personal preference, but I think number 2 above is the only good reason to spend many years of your life in perpetual school.
I fear that far too many young people are going to school past HS only because they feel they have to do so. And I think this is poor, and doing people a disservice.
Secondly, regarding “cancelling” debt, I see that even Sanders is proposing taxing “Wall Street” (a convenient boogeyman here) to pay off debt. But this is not “cancelling”, simply moving the responsibility around.
Interesting. I wasn’t familiar with the term “Levitican” though I had a general idea of what it was going to mean. So I stuck the term into Wikipedia. And only got one hit. A page on Gary Botting (a lawyer and scholar in Canada, plus quite a bit more.) And the hit was a reference to one of the novels he wrote.
In his most recent novel Crazy Gran, Botting describes the “Chrislamics”, a hybrid sect that emerges from Islamic and Jehovah’s Witness fundamentalism to reassert Levitican and Sharia Law in the name of “Allajah”. Their prayers for Armageddon seem to be fulfilled with the advent of 9/11.[
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this isn’t even the first time he’s employed the “she’s too ugly for me to sexually assault” defense. i can only assume his people love it https://t.co/CDNtXav0KC
— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) June 24, 2019
This may be a bit out there … but I think Sanders and his Berniebots are much more like Trump and the Trumpers than Sanders would like to admit.
Simply this: both Sanders and Trump ply the tool of resentment to get people interested in supporting them.
It’s easy to resent others; it’s sort of a universal human trait.
When a politician tries to get one group to resent another group that is when politics turns into the ugly machinery that gets nations into trouble.
Start with the children your orange shitstain of a husband is holding in cages.
— Tom Tilley (@ttilley64) June 24, 2019
re: #184 DodgerFan1988
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Don’t call them “deplorables.”
The sheer amount of hate in this country just seems too overwhelming to overcome. They hate brown people to our cores and want nothing more than to see us dead. That’s why they want this to happen, they fucking crave the cruelty, the depravity, the death. This is everything they wanted and more. This is why Trump is their god. And it seems so goddamn larger than any of us want to admit.
re: #206 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
I know.
It’s not a good thing, I think.
There’s so much that is being missed by the “cancel” movement.
As I indicated, one of the big ones is why our government is encouraging people to go into debt to begin with, for something they otherwise would not have done.
Don’t get me wrong - I love academia. But I know that even in my day people went to college for essentially three reasons:
(1) maintain social status in their family (esp. Ivy league types);
(2) because the student is actually interested in studying particular subjects (this was my case);
(3) to avoid other social obligations, like the Draft.IMO, and this is I guess just a personal preference, but I think number 2 above is the only good reason to spend many years of your life in perpetual school.
I fear that far too many young people are going to school past HS only because they feel they have to do so. And I think is is poor, and doing people a disservice.
secondly, regarding “cancelling” debt, I see that even Sanders is proposing taxing “Wall Street” (a convenient boogeyman here) to pay off debt. But this is not “cancelling”, simply moving the responsibility around.
Another reason to go to college: to get a well-paying job that will support a family. The problem with school debt these days is that (1) the cost of college has skyrocketed well beyond inflation, even for legitimate schools and (2) for-profit institutions take advantage of students and our loan programs and leave too many without an education but with crushing debt.
re: #198 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
many “christians” want jesus to just stay on the cross and keep his mouth shut instead of hanging out with the poor and undesirable and spouting all that hippie shit about loving your enemies and stuff
They only have a use for Jesus as a martyr, because you can excuse all sorts of evil and immoral shit in the name of a martyr. And the whole “love and peace” business is seen as a way to get converts into the pews. But they really don’t care much for his actual teachings because it’s hard to justify Crusades and pogroms while preaching “Love thy neighbor.”
I’m running against Susan Collins for U.S. Senate because Mainers deserve a senator who will always put our state first. Let’s build this campaign together. Will you join us? ➡️ https://t.co/mcihP9UtNE #MESen #MEpolitics pic.twitter.com/1SbV0MbMKM
— Sara Gideon (@SaraGideonME) June 24, 2019
re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter
The problem with school debt these days is that (1) the cost of college has skyrocketed well beyond inflation, even for legitimate schools …
Why has the cost of college skyrocketed?
I propose this is why: because as a society we have artificially propped up demand.
And this has led so many schools to believe they can implement this or that (such as rapidly multiplying deanships) without constraint.
Those who catch my overnight posts know that I on occasion post images from outlandish real estate offerings here in San Diego county.
Well, do you know who has for sale the most expensive single-family residence in the county (as far as I can tell)?
The University of California Regents, that’s who.
Maybe it was bequeathed to them, but if so it was some time ago.
$30M house, from which, btw, the county doesn’t collect property tax.
Boeing has so many grounded 737 Max planes waiting to be fixed that they’re parking them in the employee parking lot https://t.co/EfQnrFDj03 pic.twitter.com/F6ykqiLvQK
— Jalopnik (@Jalopnik) June 24, 2019
re: #11 BlueGrl21
Somehow, I think the Secret Service will have no problem frog-marching him out the door and shipping his personal items to him later.
That’s what I’m thinking. When he loses the election, he becomes private citizen trump the minute his term ends. He can holler and whine all he wants, but he will have no authority at all. I say, one hint of shenanigan from that fucker and arrest him for trespassing, drag him off to jail and somehow, before bail hearing, oops he got “lost” and can’t be found again till ALL of those kids are found and reunited with their families.
re: #215 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Why has the cost of college skyrocketed?
I propose this is why: because as a society we have artificially propped up demand.
And this has led so many schools to believe they can implement this or that (such as rapidly multiplying deanships) without constraint.
One reason is falling State budget support. States have cut their spending on universities dramatically. Another factor is the drive to get higher “ratings”, in which college hire exorbitantly expensive senior professors who do not lecture but spend most of their time doing private contract work. But the rating systems give bonus points for this and just like football rankings they want the fame. When I went to college in the 1970s there were 45,000 full time students on my campus, and tuition was far less. Now they want to reduce the number and charge more.
re: #208 The Vicious Babushka
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A lot of predators purposely pick the ones they can say that about, specifically so they can say that about her; if they were to assault somebody widely considered “beautiful”, too many people would believe her.
AG Bill Barr killed 7 Robert Mueller investigations — 10 days after he submitted his report
https://t.co/d0n984UWl7— Raw Story (@RawStory) June 24, 2019
re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter
Another reason to go to college: to get a well-paying job that will support a family. The problem with school debt these days is that (1) the cost of college has skyrocketed well beyond inflation, even for legitimate schools and (2) for-profit institutions take advantage of students and our loan programs and leave too many without an education but with crushing debt.
When my parents were That Age, everybody in their year who was among the top 20% on grades + entrance exams, the taxpayers would pick up the tab for your undergrad. Dad went to CCNY, Mom went to Hunter, and the tuition for their bachelor’s degrees was $0. For the two of them, combined.
And don’t tell me it has to be a STEM degree to be useful; mom was an art major, with a minor in anthropology, and she got into law school with that.
Before attending law school, she supported dad for his final two years of med school with her art degree; she worked for an ad agency drawing full-page ads for department stores and the five-and-dime (back when Sunday newspapers used to be half advertising).
re: #221 Patricia Kayden
Raw Story has had some funky stories, hasn’t it? I don’t know who to trust anymore. But I would believe ANYTHING about Barr….
re: #221 Patricia Kayden
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This is shit that should be grounds for impeachment, or at least investigation in their own right…but you know, pipe dreams.
re: #223 retired cynic
Have they? Didn’t know that. Given Trump’s “fake news” attacks, I’m hoping that news outlets are more careful about what they put out there.
re: #215 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Why has the cost of college skyrocketed?
I propose this is why: because as a society we have artificially propped up demand.
And this has led so many schools to believe they can implement this or that (such as rapidly multiplying deanships) without constraint.
When I graduated from UT Dallas in 2005, the president told that the state paid $12 for every dollar paid by students when he graduated in the late 70s. By my time is was down to something like less than 20c.
Interesting! A major knitting web site has prohibited support of Trump and White Supremacists
Hint hint Twitter
re: #225 Patricia Kayden
Have they? Didn’t know that. Given Trump’s “fake news” attacks, I’m hoping that news outlets are more careful about what they put out there.
I stopped reading Rawstory. First they would not allow me to read their site unless I disabled my ad blocker. OK I disabled the ad blocker to read the article but then I got spammed with so much crap that the article was unreadable. Fuck Rawstory. Also they used to send out C&D orders to other sites that linked to articles on Rawstory that were copied from other sites.
re: #171 Amory Blaine
I wonder what Georgie Conway had to say about this.
(No, not really… rhetorical question. Dude is scamming everyone)
re: #216 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Link!
re: #226 Belafon
When I graduated from UT Dallas in 2005, the president told that the state paid $12 for every dollar paid by students when he graduated in the late 70s. By my time is was down to something like less than 20c.
And there is a reason for this.
It used to be only a small fraction of society went to college. So a state could fund this bit of extra education for its 5% of young people or so.
But if you want 50% or more (some want all) of young people to go to college for 4 years, then that is a burden much much larger than 5%-10% of said young population.
Fuck you Shmuley, YOU are the New Low. You owe AOC the apology.
Last week, though, Holocaust memory in America hit a whole new low. https://t.co/rF4efegRpV
— Jerusalem Post Opinion (@JPostOpinion) June 24, 2019
OT Update on iPad case return. I have decided to return said case via the amazon hub. They only have 2 hubs in Philly and one is in an area I know very well. I will be on the University of Penn campus to return that case. I hope they can print out the mailing label and put it in an envelope and mail it back to amazon.
re: #210 Patricia Kayden
Gah. This horrible fucking witch.
Steals every idea from Michelle Obama, every slogan. No morals or values.#BeBest and get your asshole husband to get CHILDREN out of the camps they’re confined to.
You’re a racist cow just like he is. https://t.co/qiCrdO3ZIg— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) June 24, 2019
re: #230 Stanley Sea
Link!
$39M buys you this:
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Hey moron: the third line of the Iran Nuclear Deal guaranteed just that. Maybe you should have read it before you tore it up. https://t.co/rWGJbeKN7N pic.twitter.com/TnRGibAEb2
— Rep. John Yarmuth (@RepJohnYarmuth) June 24, 2019
re: #233 PhillyPretzel
You can also use Kohl’s to return Amazon purchases…
re: #237 Eric The Fruit Bat
Thanks for the info. :)
re: #213 Targetpractice
They only have a use for Jesus as a martyr, because you can excuse all sorts of evil and immoral shit in the name of a martyr. And the whole “love and peace” business is seen as a way to get converts into the pews. But they really don’t care much for his actual teachings because it’s hard to justify Crusades and pogroms while preaching “Love thy neighbor.”
Got people a bit stirred up on an Episcopalian website I frequent because I said too many Christians would prefer Jesus bleeding on a cross or dead in their Bible than alive and walking among us, pissed off.
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1/ People are buying diapers, wipes, soaps and toys to donate to children in overcrowded migrant detention centers.
But they’re being turned away. https://t.co/Pwj3wq9rYt pic.twitter.com/wEXquQKWiy— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) June 24, 2019
re: #228 The Vicious Babushka
That’s a mess. I’ll be careful about linking to them in the future.
re: #240 The Vicious Babushka
Trip to Mar-a-Lago for 1 president = $3.4 million = Toothbrush, Toothpaste, and Soap for 2.7 million kids.
With @realDonaldTrump, the cruelty is the point.— Senator Mazie Hirono (@maziehirono) June 24, 2019
She declined because it was a bad faith stunt by white supremacist Steve King. White supremacists like to visit Holocaust memorials so that they can gloat.
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) June 25, 2019
re: #235 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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From the frozen plains he comes. And to the frozen plains he goes. pic.twitter.com/6AhRcvbzSq
— Black Metal Cats (@evilbmcats) June 24, 2019
re: #244 BigPapa
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re: #244 BigPapa
I’ve spend many hours in 2, 5, 10, 15
A little time in 6, 8, and 13 - 8 was a lawsuit where the owner sued the builder, I was an expert witness.
Are those numbers referring to how zillow pops up houses on your webpage? (Note Zillow will put up lists based on your interests.)
I wish I could go to all the Umphrey’s McGee shows.
re: #243 The Vicious Babushka
Even if she misspoke, where is the outrage over what is happening to these children NOW? Her faux pas isn’t a diversion from the suffering of migrant children. I watched a few minutes of Bill Maher’s show and he is more outraged about AOC’s comments than what the kids are actually going through. Dan Savage and Thom Hartman pushed back but it was infuriating to watch.
re: #247 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Sorry, forgot to hyperlink. Check it now. Has nothing to do with Zillow.
re: #251 BigPapa
Ok…
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What if you CAN’T serve? Physical or mental reason. Religious objections. Whatever.
Suddenly, you’re a less American.
And that is EXACTLY what will happen.
Beto’s tax will become other way to sort citizens by value. Yes, it will. Bet on it.
No.
2/— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) June 25, 2019
re: #195 Old Liberal
In my world, here’s reality. Those kids are dead. There is no afterlife. And the people that killed them? They’ll be dead someday and there is no hell. And the ones that cheer it on? No hell for them either. The only hell these evil fuckers will ever face is the one they should face right here, right now. I wish someone smarter than me could find a handle that people could grab and get out in the streets.
Well, I don’t feel entirely alone in espousing that position then.
Some churches are finally starting to stand up for what they profess to believe.
From Pulpits Across America, Sermons Condemn Separation of Immigrant Families (goes to the Washington Post)
We asked religious leaders: How are you talking to your congregations about the separation of immigrant parents from their children on the U.S.-Mexico border?
Dozens told us about the sermons they delivered in their churches on Sunday, and at their synagogues this Shabbat. Many said they typically avoid politics in their preaching, but this week they felt compelled to speak out.
Here is a selection of their responses, ranging across the country and many denominations.
(more)
In the meantime, Five Dollar Feminist unleashes the same sort of argument with the government’s lawyer who argued soap and sleep are not enumerated in the Flores decision and therefore the government does not have to provide them.
What Part of Never Again Do We Not Understand? (goes to Wonkette):
One day, God willing, my grandchildren will click open their history textbooks and read about the Central American migrant internment camps. They’ll learn about sick kids, locked in cages, kept hungry and dirty and cold for weeks on end, and they’ll be horrified.
“Bubbie,” they’ll say, “how could this happen in America? How could there be toddlers sleeping on the ground without blankets, without soap or toothbrushes to clean themselves?”
“I don’t know. I wish I had done more. I’m ashamed,” I’ll say. We will all have to answer for this atrocity. But some of us will have to answer more than others. Not just the archvillains like Stephen Miller and John Kelly, but the people who kept right on doing their jobs, even as those jobs morphed into defending concentration camps.
So, no, I don’t feel sorry for Sarah Fabian. Decades from now, people will still be watching this video of her arguing that “safe and sanitary conditions” doesn’t include soap or toothbrushes or beds or warmth or lights out for bedtime. This should follow her for the rest of her life.
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Evil kid 😩 pic.twitter.com/OKyHMYknyA
— Ffs OMG Vids 📽🔞 (@Ffs_OMG) June 21, 2019
“Kinderlager Drumpf”. It sounds better in the original.
Absolutely completely unsurprising https://t.co/h8nJlQEmfc
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) June 25, 2019
Their overdraft penalties need a safe word
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) June 22, 2019
re: #254 The Vicious Babushka
This is the original tweet:
Beto O’Rourke plans “war tax” on families without military members https://t.co/UfrvAooWdF pic.twitter.com/1fc8FbWbkK
— The Hill (@thehill) June 24, 2019
It does sound like a particularly bad idea, if TheHill is reporting it accurately.
re: #248 teleskiguy
I feel the same way about Foo Fighters. Same with Soundgarden back in the day.
Beto is popular for obvious reasons (he’s a good looking male, can speak well, etc.) And overall he’d be light years ahead of Trump in regards to the Presidency.
Yet there are two things that still bother me about him: 1) he’s getting the not-a-brown-person benefit of the doubt, and 2) he does play into the idea of warfare as a glorious thing.
The latter is ancient and part of the American experience so it is hardly unique to Beto. Yet for all his supposed progressiveness (yeah, I know, “true” progressives point out that Beto is not really one of them) he seems to fail so spectacularly at self-recognition of the role of the violent-male in his own success.
Targeting T-0 of 2:30 a.m. EDT for Falcon Heavy launch of STP-2; team completed additional ground system checkouts. Vehicle and payload continue to look good
— SpaceX (@SpaceX) June 25, 2019
Evening Lizards. Hugs available for anyone who wants one.
re: #264 Dread Pirate
So they moved it back three hours?
Trump said he’s placing new sanctions on Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini — he died in 1989 pic.twitter.com/eyvenzcuNs
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) June 24, 2019
The USA was built on military conquest and genocide.
Yes, I know there are Americans who want to deny that, and others who accept it but don’t want to talk about it.
But Beto’s desire to make the military extra special citizens is just one in a long line of making sure the warrior gets special rewards.
Because those in power want to keep the warriors on their side.
re: #267 The Vicious Babushka
Khomeini, Khamenei, lets call the whole thing off.
re: #268 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
The USA was built on military conquest and genocide.
Yes, I know there are Americans who want to deny that, and others who accept it but don’t want to talk about it.
But Beto’s desire to make the military extra special citizens is just one in a long line of making sure the warrior gets special rewards.
Because those in power want to keep the warriors on their side.
The whole purpose was to troll the elite who neither pay nor serve. Our Preschool Candidates are sometimes too clever by half.
This guy, James R. White, calls himself an apologist and engages scholars in debates. He has a mail order PhD from a fake seminary in Washington state. He also just signed on as a pastor/elder at Apologia Church, the cult I picket on Sundays.
Well, he’s also a stone racist, as you will see. I can’t respond to him directly because he has me blocked, but I’m tired of his nonsense. In addition to calling out the church for teaching children that women who get abortions should be executed, I’m going to call this church and its leadership out for their racism. Thread…
I can’t respond directly to @droakley1689 because he has me blocked, but I have two comments on the attached picture of a Tweet. First of all, James, you are a stone racist. You ignore, literally ignore the facts of the lives of African-American people. 1/ pic.twitter.com/dg1NqYmQ2n
— Deana “Gritty Mascot is Best Mascot” Holmes (@mmmirele) June 25, 2019
Don’t want to be called a racist, don’t call a guy who is completely ignorant of the history of black people in America and whose first instinct is to go to “bad ethics” as a pastor/elder.
re: #269 wrenchwench
You got it! (Squish, squeezes…🤗)
re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
It does sound like a particularly bad idea, if TheHill is reporting it accurately.
War taxes in the past have been levied against the ultra-wealthy.
Levying it against anyone who is not in the military or has no family members in the military is a stunningly bad idea.
[former Navy Recruiter hat on]
Many people cannot serve in the military at all, for a multitude of reasons. (Sorry, you have a felony on your record so we can’t accept you. By the way, because you have a felony we’re going to levy a tax on you—not a real good recruiting tool.)
Many people do not have family members.
Many people serve the national interest in other ways which are critical to a war which does not involve taking up arms. (You’re working for the Red Cross supporting the troops? Kewl, here’s your tax bill.)
&c [/Recruiter hat]
I once owned a car that somehow got infested with spiders. Big ones, unafraid of humans, they would often come out while I was driving at night and suddenly scuttle across the dashboard right in front me.
That’s what this image made me recall.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 25, 2019
re: #276 Charles Johnson
CNN of late has been hauling out the Democrats-who-voted-for-Trump folk, as if that means we should listen to them or something.
Any self-declared Democrat who voted for Trump is not worth the listen.
re: #276 Charles Johnson
If you bought that car from Hunter Thompson, it wasn’t spiders he left in the ductwork.
re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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that would be an attempted coup, which would fail miserably. the new president will be sworn in and trump will be gone. we aren’t really in that much danger of despotism just yet. Even the Romans needed roughly 60 years of civil wars before they allowed a dictator.
re: #280 steve_davis
that would be an attempted coup, which would fail miserably. the new president will be sworn in and trump will be gone. we aren’t really in that much danger of despotism just yet. Even the Romans needed roughly 60 years of civil wars before they allowed a dictator.
They didn’t have broadband for their Liber Faciērum.
re: #278 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
CNN of late has been hauling out the Democrats-who-voted-for-Trump folk, as if that means we should listen to them or something.
Any self-declared Democrat who voted for Trump is not worth the listen.
The press isn’t going to give up Cletus Safaris, are they?
Hey CNN, how ‘bout coming out here to “Trump country” and interviewing Democrats who voted for the person who got the most votes?
I noted this here once before, but a reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer put up a social media post asking if he should interview more Trump voters from further afield than the paper’s circulation area.
I wrote back in E-mail asking him if he’d come out to “Trump country” and interview people like me, who voted for the popular vote winner.
He wrote back to me telling me to never contact him again.
re: #282 Decatur Deb
They didn’t have broadband for their Liber Faciērum.
Everything is faster in the 21st century.
However, in regards to Trump, while the Trumpers will stick with him to the bitter end, is Trump gaining any new followers?
I don’t seem to find very many young people, who are not already part of the Young Republicans gimmick, or who are not otherwise faces for a front of religious-right groups, showing up in Trumper timelines or in support of Trump.
To hopefully the disappointment of the usual actors, young people are just not drawn to Trump. I gather that most Americans under 30 are rather put off by Trump.
re: #25 Semper Fi
I think Trump would take the position that an overwhelming loss is impossible because he is “loved” so much and therefor the count is a lie.
he can believe whatever he wants. there are plenty of folks staring at blank walls in asylums who think they are jesus or napoleon. Only two of them can be right, and Trump ain’t one of them.
re: #239 BlueGrl21
Got people a bit stirred up on an Episcopalian website I frequent because I said too many Christians would prefer Jesus bleeding on a cross or dead in their Bible than alive and walking among us, pissed off.
Its true. I also push the idea that actions are more important than beliefs. That gets the Paulines riled up ;)
re: #280 steve_davis
that would be an attempted coup, which would fail miserably. the new president will be sworn in and trump will be gone. we aren’t really in that much danger of despotism just yet. Even the Romans needed roughly 60 years of civil wars before they allowed a dictator.
Trump will go back to talking about what a dump the white house is, while he sets himself up a gold plated throne room where his worshipers can come and adore him. He’ll start a cable network (what he was planning on doing after he lost to Hillary). He’s going to wind up a perma-scowling Liberace without the talent and without the charm. Melania will be filing for divorce before they even leave the white house
re: #284 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Everything is faster in the 21st century.
Not around here it isn’t. We’re still working on getting stores to accept credit cards. We do have 911 emergency dial service though (since 2013).
However, in regards to Trump, while the Trumpers will stick with him to the bitter end, is Trump gaining any new followers?
The press is really working hard on normalising the “Nazi who lives next door and is just like you” (looking at you, New York Times).
I don’t seem to find very many young people, who are not already part of the Young Republicans gimmick, or who are not otherwise faces for a front of religious-right groups, showing up in Trumper timelines or in support of Trump.
To hopefully the disappointment of the usual actors, young people are just not drawn to Trump. I gather that most Americans under 30 are rather put off by Trump.
Now they need to get out and vote. The age block 18-29 typically has the lowest turnout.
re: #283 Anymouse 🌹
The press isn’t going to give up Cletus Safaris, are they?
Hey CNN, how ‘bout coming out here to “Trump country” and interviewing Democrats who voted for the person who got the most votes?
I noted this here once before, but a reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer put up a social media post asking if he should interview more Trump voters from further afield than the paper’s circulation area.
I wrote back in E-mail asking him if he’d come out to “Trump country” and interview people like me, who voted for the popular vote winner.
He wrote back to me telling me to never contact him again.
What a bunt.
The VA called. They want me to get a pregnancy test. My wife noted afterwards, “I didn’t know I was Geyh Married.”
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re: #289 A Mom Anon
Umphrey’s McGee is the perfect rock ‘n’ roll band for nerds.
RATIOED TWEET OF THE DAY
Our freedoms are under attack because the radical left will stop at nothing until socialism has spread from coast to coast. Let me be clear: socialism has no place in the Hawkeye State or America, and I will stop at nothing to protect our Iowa values.https://t.co/LLuvTqansV
— Joni Ernst (@joniernst) June 20, 2019
re: #292 teleskiguy
I love all the positive things that come from music. It heals so much in so many. Glad you had a blast at Red Rocks. It’s kinda hard not to have fun there.
re: #284 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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To hopefully the disappointment of the usual actors, young people are just not drawn to Trump. I gather that most Americans under 30 are rather put off by Trump.
Then all we have to do is shape them into a vanguard that will turn out and vote coherently. Easy Peasy.
Kevin M. Kruse pwns Dipshit D’Stupids for like the eleventy bazillionth time today.
Oh my God.
We didn’t start calling them conservative in response to your flopsweat tweets this week. We’ve been calling them conservative for decades. You’d know that if you ever read anything.
Fine, let’s dig in.https://t.co/EHamPkQ6TU— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) June 24, 2019
re: #294 A Mom Anon
Glad you had a blast at Red Rocks. It’s kinda hard not to have fun there.
Got wet Friday and Saturday. Got hailed on for a couple minutes on Friday, that was gnarly! First bad weather I’ve had to deal with at Red Rocks in years, and it was especially bad on Friday.
Nonetheless, too much fun was had.
re: #296 The Vicious Babushka
He just cannot help himself…it would be sad if it weren’t so fucking mundanely evil.
I see you’re wearing your chest protector!
— Fred Lynn (@19fredlynn) June 25, 2019
Kids dead in the Trump camps: Darlyn, Jakelin, Felipe, Mariee, Carlos, Wilmer, Juan.
Darlyn Cristabel Cordova-Valle, 10
Jakelin Caal Maquin, 7
Felipe Alonzo-Gomez, 8
Mariee Juárez, 20 mos
Carlos Hernandez Vasquez, 16 Wilmer Josué Ramírez Vásquez, 2
Juan de León Gutiérrez, 16— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) June 23, 2019
re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
RATIOED TWEET OF THE DAY
Notice how Republican politicians put stuff out there like this (or Rubio with his Bible verses) and never engage the responses (even when they are positive)?
For the most part, Democratic politicians do engage those who respond (and conservative voters bitch “get off Twitter and do your job”).
re: #302 DodgerFan1988
Pro-life until they can make money off of it.
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) June 25, 2019
re: #284 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Everything is faster in the 21st century.
However, in regards to Trump, while the Trumpers will stick with him to the bitter end, is Trump gaining any new followers?
I don’t seem to find very many young people, who are not already part of the Young Republicans gimmick, or who are not otherwise faces for a front of religious-right groups, showing up in Trumper timelines or in support of Trump.
To hopefully the disappointment of the usual actors, young people are just not drawn to Trump. I gather that most Americans under 30 are rather put off by Trump.
On the contrary, I think lots of young people are drawn to Trumpism in general.
Trumpism is the mentality of a 5th grade bully writ large. White teenage males in particular love the idea of being able to say and do anything they like with no consequences, because the idea of getting in trouble and apologising for anything is alien to them. Schoolkids bullying each other by chanting ‘Trump’, for instance, is exactly the mentality that appeals. A compliant media culture that encourages feeling no shame for acting in this manner makes it very appealing. I think we will see that young people, especially white young people but also across other races, will find Trumpism a very natural fit.
re: #295 Decatur Deb
Then all we have to do is shape them into a vanguard that will turn out and vote coherently. Easy Peasy.
They overperformed in 2018. Let’s keep encouraging them.
re: #304 Belafon
Every fucking one of these “businesses” making money off torturing children and their families needs to be dismantled, stripped of assets and every fucking person who approved this and went along with it needs to be sentenced to life in their own hellholes. There needs to be justice. Beginning ages ago.
re: #305 Renaissance_Man
On the contrary, I think lots of young people are drawn to Trumpism in general.
Trumpism is the mentality of a 5th grade bully writ large. White teenage males in particular love the idea of being able to say and do anything they like with no consequences, because the idea of getting in trouble and apologising for anything is alien to them. Schoolkids bullying each other by chanting ‘Trump’, for instance, is exactly the mentality that appeals. A compliant media culture that encourages feeling no shame for acting in this manner makes it very appealing. I think we will see that young people, especially white young people but also across other races, will find Trumpism a very natural fit.
I work at a company where most of the people over 35 are conservatives (probably > 80%). The ones I work near under 30, about 10 of them, either obviously don’t like Trump or don’t like policies the GOP supports. The friends of my oldest two almost all voted Democratic.
Today on my drive back from Denver I took a scenic route to see how much snow is still on the high peaks.
Guanella Pass, CO, 24 June 2019. Looking east, looking west. pic.twitter.com/tZDWvJqs4U
— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness the Charlie Lama (@teleskiguy) June 24, 2019
re: #308 Belafon
I work at a company where most of the people over 35 are conservatives (probably > 80%). The ones I work near under 30, about 10 of them, either obviously don’t like Trump or don’t like policies the GOP supports. The friends of my oldest two almost all voted Democratic.
I don’t mean to suggest that young people will go Republican as a bloc. They will still largely vote blue where they vote at all. But I don’t think there will be increased turnout among the young, nor will there be a significant change in the percentage that vote blue. It’ll be about the same as it usually is.
re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter
Another reason to go to college: to get a well-paying job that will support a family. The problem with school debt these days is that (1) the cost of college has skyrocketed well beyond inflation, even for legitimate schools and (2) for-profit institutions take advantage of students and our loan programs and leave too many without an education but with crushing debt.
Back in Reagan’s day and I was in the Navy, Ronald Reagan decried how terrible it was that some enlisted people were paid so poorly they were eligible for food stamps. He called it a national disgrace.
He then made it illegal for active duty personnel to collect food stamps.
So today the president* of the US said E. Jean Carroll is not the type of woman he likes to rape.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 25, 2019
From pewresearch.org.
About 60 million people turned out to vote for Democrats for the House this year. That is a **crazy** number. (Republicans got 45m votes in the 2010 wave.)And this was sort of missed. Why so many stories about Trump voters in truck stops and not so many about “the resistance”?
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 18, 2018
From electproject.org
Take that delta at the top and apply it to the percentage of young people.
re: #231 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
And there is a reason for this.
It used to be only a small fraction of society went to college. So a state could fund this bit of extra education for its 5% of young people or so.
But if you want 50% or more (some want all) of young people to go to college for 4 years, then that is a burden much much larger than 5%-10% of said young population.
Even back in the Seventies, conservatives were undermining budgets for education and complaining about “Marxist” professors.
There’s more to it than taxes. Conservatives are anti-education (except for the rich) and always have been.
When you’ve been poor all your life conservatism in all its glory comes into sharp focus.
The only reason my mother got to go to college was because my father had to get killed on active duty first.
How Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline Today
Today at 10:30UTC, the Internet had a small heart attack. A small company in Northern Pennsylvania became a preferred path of many Internet routes through Verizon (AS701), a major Internet transit provider. This was the equivalent of Waze routing an entire freeway down a neighborhood street — resulting in many websites on Cloudflare, and many other providers, to be unavailable from large parts of the Internet. This should never have happened because Verizon should never have forwarded those routes to the rest of the Internet. To understand why, read on.
Ravelry fans today:
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re: #314 Anymouse 🌹
Even back in the Seventies, conservatives were undermining budgets for education and complaining about “Marxist” professors.
Yes, but that is not the ultimate cause of the inability of states to pay college costs out of general revenue. The problem, even here in California where being a “marxist” is not totally anathema, the problem with everyone going to college is that it meant expanding the system significantly. And that costs money.
There is a salvation-by-education belief among many leftists. I think this has many causes, but I find that it is still a fallacy in the end. Education can provide one with important skills and, if the individual is so inclined characterologically, a way to think about the world.
But I find so much in life which can be done without forcing someone to sit through endless hours of required college classes (of subjects the student could not care less). One can, if trained by a good primary and secondary school system, accomplish quite a bit in life with only 12 years of formal education ( and yes, I realize many people live in areas where they are poorly served by their teachers and schools.)
Yet our society is set up to value its own belief system, and our society believes in credentials for credentials sake.
re: #261 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
re: #275 Anymouse 🌹
A war tax on the very wealthy does seem like an excellent idea. Since we are always at war these days, it would be more or less permanent.
“Sir, we see that your bonus from the pharma gang you work for would pay for a dozen cruise missiles. We only need two from you. Pay up.”
I think a “welfare tax” on the same fatcats might be better though. This would be specifically designated to pay benefits for people who work in private business but still cannot make ends meet. Cheap labor must cease to be profitable.
re: #318 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
A war tax on the very wealthy does seem like an excellent idea.
A few months ago I got in an argument with someone on twitter, who was championing Norway and that Norway had less taxes than the US, so we ought to have less taxes here.
He didn’t believe that Norway had a progressive income tax, so I tried to show him that is true, that there is a progressive increase in Norway for taxes paid by the rich.
And Norway has something else - a flat wealth tax. Not another tax on income (or the dodgy “capital gains” idea.) Just straight out 1% per year on your net wealth. This helps, among other things, provide a way for someone who inherits a lot of money to not avoid supporting their own society.
If we implemented a 1% wealth tax, per year, on all Americans whose net value was say in the top 10% of our society, this might go a long ways to helping reign in our out of control debt.
re: #317 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Today I found a library assistant job I wanted to apply for. It was part time, starting pay of 12.31 an hour and I was a perfect fit for the job til they threw in at the end I needed a 4 yr degree. To shelve books, help people find stuff, help them with computer basics etc. all of which I can do, I even understand the Dewey Decimal System. I’m also almost 60 and being a Mom for 25 yrs means jack shit nothing. Before that I had a couple decades in retail. Why do I need a degree for this? It’s just stupid.
re: #320 A Mom Anon
Why do I need a degree for this? It’s just stupid.
Because our society wants to believe it’s own belief system.
re: #213 Targetpractice
They only have a use for Jesus as a martyr, because you can excuse all sorts of evil and immoral shit in the name of a martyr. And the whole “love and peace” business is seen as a way to get converts into the pews. But they really don’t care much for his actual teachings because it’s hard to justify Crusades and pogroms while preaching “Love thy neighbor.”
The majority of churches are run by Pulpit Pimps who are only in it to fleece the flock and live the tax-exempt preacher lifestyle.
re: #259 gocart mozart
Is this the safe word?https://t.co/yBu94DR6PJ
— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) June 25, 2019
re: #320 A Mom Anon
Today I found a library assistant job I wanted to apply for. It was part time, starting pay of 12.31 an hour and I was a perfect fit for the job til they threw in at the end I needed a 4 yr degree. To shelve books, help people find stuff, help them with computer basics etc. all of which I can do, I even understand the Dewey Decimal System. I’m also almost 60 and beinIt’g a Mom for 25 yrs means jack shit nothing. Before that I had a couple decades in retail. Why do I need a degree for this? It’s just stupid.
it is stupid. I would be tempted to put a degree on my resume. No one checks back that long. I’m your age and the system is begging people to fudge, but maybe that’s just me.
re: #317 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Yes, but that is not the ultimate cause of the inability of states to pay college costs out of general revenue. The problem, even here in California where being a “marxist” is not totally anathema, the problem with everyone going to college is that it meant expanding the system significantly. And that costs money.
There is a salvation-by-education belief among many leftists. I think this has many causes, but I find that it is still a fallacy in the end. Education can provide one with important skills and, if the individual is so inclined characterologically, a way to think about the world.
But I find so much in life which can be done without forcing someone to sit through endless hours of required college classes (of subjects the student could not care less). One can, if trained by a good primary and secondary school system, accomplish quite a bit in life with only 12 years of formal education ( and yes, I realize many people live in areas where they are poorly served by their teachers and schools.)
Yet our society is set up to value its own belief system, and our society believes in credentials for credentials sake.
Education is the very thing that lifted society out of the Dark Ages. The largest education programme in the history of the USA was the GI Bill, which sent millions of people to college and technical schools, and the first chance conservatives had, they killed that programme. (The benefits programme I had was called VEAP, which you had to pay about 1/3 into it to get a maximum of $8,100 out of. Needless to say, VEAP was worthless.)
The only time conservatives were interested in education was when the USSR lobbed Sputnik 1 overhead, and they realised that we were behind on technology. Conservatives funded engineering, math, and science for the purposes of military power.
Once that was done, so was their interest in education.
There’s a reason Trump said he loves the poorly educated.
Belafon noted it with the breakdown of Pew Research’s exit polling. Look who the poorly educated vote for by a large percentage.
re: #313 Belafon
Conservatives have always opposed public education in this nation. Always. Public schools interfere with religious schools.
A relevant history of public education:
publicschoolreview.com
re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
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trump has increased the sales of at least one business in my neighborhood. My weed dealer.
Night people.
re: #325 Anymouse 🌹
Trump plays on the resentment of old white people who resent that younger people have more than them.
I know, they show up in the Facebook timeline. All the tropes and stereotypes of Trumpers.
Still, I maintain that the education that lifted society was the expansion of literacy and numeracy, and this occurred not by forcing 20 year olds to sit in required classes about which they care not one whit, but by providing public education for the first 16 years or so of a child’s life.
The launch tonight was pushed back by a few hours, and the SpaceX website hasn’t changed its text, but it can be watched live here:
Trump now says he only cares about constraining Iran’s nuke program in exchange for sanctions relief. But:
1 We already had that with the 2015 deal Trump trashed;
2 The Admin’s 12 demands on Iran are much more expansive; &
3 Israel, Saudi, & GOP savaged Obama for the same policy— Colin Kahl (@ColinKahl) June 24, 2019
The lack of self-awareness among Trump officials never ceases to amaze. https://t.co/snoQ4IcSyp
— Colin Kahl (@ColinKahl) June 24, 2019
The Administration intends to sanction Iranian FM Zarif later this week. Banning travel & sanctioning Iran’s top diplomat (regardless of what you think of him) is hardly a way to signal openness to diplomacy. Trump continues to box himself into war. https://t.co/AjGpbabstX
— Colin Kahl (@ColinKahl) June 24, 2019
How do you solve a problem like Donald?
How do you catch a crook and pin him down?
How do you find a word that means Donald?
A flibbertijibbet! A narcissistic, pussy-grabbing clown!
/apologies to The Sound of Music
This is how I do karate https://t.co/V74DbdISsC
— IWant2vote4SuperKarate🐒JustNotThisSuperKarate🐒 (@DeathCar72) June 25, 2019
re: #328 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Trump plays on the resentment of old white people who resent that younger people have more than them.
I know, they show up in the Facebook timeline. All the tropes and stereotypes of Trumpers.
Still, I maintain that the education that lifted society was the expansion of literacy and numeracy, and this occurred not by forcing 20 year olds to sit in required classes about which they care not one whit, but by providing public education for the first 16 years or so of a child’s life.
I’ll happily trade my position for someone who has a college degree and a job if they wish.
re: #325 Anymouse 🌹
Well, except the part where the US basically invented modern public education so people could red the Bible.
re: #333 Belafon
Well, except the part where the US basically invented modern public education so people could red the Bible.
There was that. As the article notes, Thomas Jefferson advocated for a nationwide public education system financed by the federal government (sort of the Common Core of its day), and he was opposed. That opposition lasted for over one hundred years.
That article notes that localities were stuck raising their own schools and trying to hire teachers (usually single women who had completed high school) to run one-room schools. [Fun fact, we still have one room schools here.]
High school is nice, but it didn’t get us to the Moon. It doesn’t advance medical or computer science. Our entire society depends on that college education to tackle every problem from social issues to climate change.
Technical schools and apprenticeship are also necessary for any functional society today, and conservatives have been cutting support for those all my life as well.
re: #334 Anymouse 🌹
My husband rode his pony to a one room school in rural Missouri. He loved it.
re: #309 teleskiguy
That’s a pretty pass. We drove over it a couple of summers ago. Used to go fishing at Clear Lake when I was little. Spent most summer weekends in Georgetown.
re: #334 Anymouse 🌹
High school is nice, but it didn’t get us to the Moon. It doesn’t advance medical or computer science. Our entire society depends on that college education to tackle every problem from social issues to climate change.
Well, first I will point out that many people who labored on the Apollo project had just that, a HS diploma.
But more fundamentally, the need for engineers and scientists does not scale with population.
If it takes 100 engineers to design an automobile, it still takes that 100 people whether the company makes 100,000 autos or a million autos. The only increased requirement for engineering has to do with facilities, and that means just a few civil/construction engineers.
Mostly life does not consist of cutting edge knowledge.
The part of life where we need a large quantity of people with many years of post-high school education is in medicine, because the requirement for doctors does indeed scale with population.
As the United Negro College Fund put it in their Seventies television adverts:
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
If conservatives really believed in a meritocracy system, they would ensure that the poor could attend schools beyond high school if they can meet the educational requirements.
Having undermined universities to the point only the very wealthy can attend college and the poor are left with lifelong debt, they are now doing the same to high schools and elementary schools (school vouchers, charter schools, &c).
re: #320 A Mom Anon
Today I found a library assistant job I wanted to apply for. It was part time, starting pay of 12.31 an hour and I was a perfect fit for the job til they threw in at the end I needed a 4 yr degree. To shelve books, help people find stuff, help them with computer basics etc. all of which I can do, I even understand the Dewey Decimal System. I’m also almost 60 and being a Mom for 25 yrs means jack shit nothing. Before that I had a couple decades in retail. Why do I need a degree for this? It’s just stupid.
Here in the Chicago suburbs, a friend worked as a part time assistant in a local library for decades and never went to college. Why not apply anyway and tout your real world credentials?
*snort*
Government meeting opens with ‘Hail Satan’ prayer
SOLDOTNA, Alaska — A Satanic Temple member who won the right to open a regional Alaska government meeting declared “Hail Satan” during her first invocation, prompting about a dozen officials and attendees to walk out.
Tuesday’s invocation that started the meeting of the Kenai Peninsula Borough also spurred a protest outside the southern Alaska borough’s administration building that drew 40 people, The Peninsula Clarion newspaper reported .
Protesters held signs saying “reject Satan and his works” and “know Jesus and his love.”
If they really wanted to reject Satan and his works, they would vote Democrat.
re: #337 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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The part of life where we need a large quantity of people with many years of post-high school education is in medicine, because the requirement for doctors does indeed scale with population.
Medicine, education, law, dentistry, architecture, mortuary science, civil engineering, I can think of a whole lot of college programmes which “scale to the population.”
And I’ve repeatedly mentioned technical and apprenticeship as well (which have also been cut for decades).
re: #339 Hecuba’s daughter
Here in the Chicago suburbs, a friend worked as a part time assistant in a local library for decades and never went to college. Why not apply anyway and tout your real world credentials?
Libraries in large cities require college for licensing if you want to be a library director rather than a part-time assistant. That is true in every state.
In my own state, the requirements for a library director range from high school (for a village under a thousand) to a post graduate degree (for a university library or major cities such as Omaha and Lincoln).
The library commission here notes my wife is far overqualified for our library.
re: #313 Belafon
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Take that delta at the top and apply it to the percentage of young people.
I bet if the tables included a split by gender it would show that college educated white males went overwhelmingly for the GOP.
Bold move to have event horizons instead of windows
— Party Spectacular (@ParSpec) June 25, 2019
re: #320 A Mom Anon
You should apply anyway; the worst that could happen is you don’t get the job.
re: #341 Anymouse 🌹
Medicine, education, law, dentistry, architecture, mortuary science, civil engineering, I can think of a whole lot of college programmes which “scale to the population.”
I consider dentistry as medicine.
The thing about architecture is that so much of modern American housing has been built from forms and pre-fabs. Even in the old days you could buy a house through a Sears catalog, and those things didn’t require a local architect as Sears paid once for all those houses.
Civil engineering requirements probably scale faster than linearly, if we want to truly cost out environmental impacts.
Laura Ingraham hosts HHS Secretary to defend the treatment of children in US custody at the southern border https://t.co/0jdeLigMkE
— Media Matters (@mmfa) June 25, 2019
Orwellian.
Conservatives lie; details at eleven.
Pompeo on origins of Yemen’s civil war. “Some want to portray the Yemen conflict as an isolated civil war, without a clear aggressor. It is neither. It is spreading conflict and humanitarian disaster that was conceived of and perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
— Patrick Wintour (@patrickwintour) June 24, 2019
re: #347 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
I consider dentistry as medicine.
The thing about architecture is that so much of modern American housing has been built from forms and pre-fabs. Even in the old days you could buy a house through a Sears catalog, and those things didn’t require a local architect as Sears paid once for all those houses.
Civil engineering requirements probably scale faster than linearly, if we want to truly cost out environmental impacts.
Civil engineering, whether it is to create new infrastructure (water systems, roads, &c) or simply maintain existing infrastructure, requires civil engineers.
Architects design more than houses or office buildings.
One of our village water pumps (the large one) died a noisy mechanical death. Replacing or repairing a public water system requires more than an apprenticeship or even master of plumbing. Because it affects public health, anyone who works on such systems requires a degree in a field related to that.
Our town went for three years without the required public health board because you need at least an RN to run one in this state. (Our new VA nurse in Sidney was pressured really hard into heading up a new board.) A government public health board deals with everything from disease outbreaks to vector control to arranging inspection for such things as public water and sewage systems.
All of those jobs require some sort of education beyond high school.
Our entire technological society as it exists today depends on technical and university graduates to run. All of it.
Speaking of the days when you could get by on a high school education leaves us with a XIX Century society and economy. (Even then, the wealthy and powerful ensured they got education.)
They make it look so effortless. Remarkable routine.
75 Years Ago, One of the Best Dance Routines Ever Was Filmed, Unrehearsed on the First Take https://t.co/X8o1XfTV3B
— Jesus Chrysler (@JesusChrysler15) June 24, 2019
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Lou Dobbs and Tom Fitton saying Trump is right about millions of fake votes being cast in ‘16 and Fitton says “there’s a large number of aliens who are illegally voting, it’s pretty clear … the left wants to steal elections” pic.twitter.com/ApObxoW7IV
— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) June 24, 2019
re: #355 Anymouse 🌹
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This is why we need British style libel laws that not only hold these two asshole accountable for their lies, but for the sponsors who finance such deceit as well!
re: #352 Anymouse 🌹
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Our town went for three years without the required public health board because you need at least an RN to run one in this state. (Our new VA nurse in Sidney was pressured really hard into heading up a new board.) A government public health board deals with everything from disease outbreaks to vector control to arranging inspection for such things as public water and sewage systems.All of those jobs require some sort of education beyond high school.
Our entire technological society as it exists today depends on technical and university graduates to run. All of it.
Speaking of the days when you could get by on a high school education leaves us with a XIX Century society and economy. (Even then, the wealthy and powerful ensured they got education.)
Our society may depend on technical and university graduates to run it — but there remain many jobs that don’t require those skills. Plumbers, electricians, truck drivers, bus drivers, caregivers etc are essential to the maintenance of our society. And many of those who are titans of the new industries don’t have degrees — Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, etc.
re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter
Our society may depend on technical and university graduates to run it — but there remain many jobs that don’t require those skills. Plumbers, electricians, truck drivers, bus drivers, caregivers etc are essential to the maintenance of our society. And many of those who are titans of the new industries don’t have degrees — Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, etc.
That’s true. We require a lot more than we did in the past though.
Bill Gates might not have a college degree, but the hordes of software engineers who work for Microsoft do. Same for Steve Jobs and Apple.
Ditto for Zuckerberg (though he has some college).
All of those companies would be nothing without all the college and technical trained people who work for them. Those men are good at business.
Sure truck drivers and caregivers are essential to society. That’s why they get so much support from conservatives in getting their educations and licenses … BWAHAHAHA I can’t finish that sentence.
Women And People Of Color Were Elected At Same Rate As White Men In 2018: Report (Huffington Post)
A new report on the 2018 midterm elections found that women and people of color won their races at similar rates to white men ― challenging prevailing notions of what types of candidates are more “electable.”
The Reflective Democracy Campaign ― a group that studies the demographics of elected officials in the U.S. ― looked at the more than 30,000 candidates in races for federal, state and county offices in 2018, as well as those who won, and found that women of color, white women, men of color and white men all won seats in close proportion to their share of candidates.
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re: #260 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Haven’t we called for something like that, especially on the wealthy who basically pay to keep their kids out of fighting.
re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
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How much money are Iowa farmers taking from the government (which, other than the part where Trump is giving them money because he’s wrecking their markets, I support)?
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) June 25, 2019
re: #286 William Lewis
Its true. I also push the idea that actions are more important than beliefs. That gets the Paulines riled up ;)
Wasn’t it Martin Luther who wanted to drop the book of James from the Bible , since it was in support of works in addition to grace?
re: #353 plansbandc
They make it look so effortless. Remarkable routine.
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re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
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Isn’t the Ratioed Tweet of the day actually Bill O’Reilly’s nonsense?
re: #343 Hecuba’s daughter
I bet if the tables included a split by gender it would show that college educated white males went overwhelmingly for the GOP.
This is from the first link.
If you look at the bottom, you can see the breakdown by gender and education. For educated men it was 51-47 for Republicans. Considering that is all men, and knowing how conservative older men (>35 are), that means a fairly significant number of younger men voted for Democrats.
re: #362 vgranucci
Wasn’t it Martin Luther who wanted to drop the book of James from the Bible , since it was in support of works in addition to grace?
Yup. He called that book the “Book of Straw.”
He was also a virulent anti-Semite, which might explain why some Protestant churches are the same (since all of them are derived from Luther’s church).
re: #366 Anymouse 🌹
Yup. He called that book the “Book of Straw.”
He was also a virulent anti-Semite, which might explain why some Protestant churches are the same (since all of them are derived from Luther’s church).
The easiest explanation for why a lot of churches are the same is that it gives certain people a way to satisfy their need to control others because of Divine Right.
re: #365 Belafon
Glad to see I buck the uneducated white middle-age men trend there.
For the women here, do you have to study for pregnancy tests, or can you crib the answers with a pen on your wrist? /s
Unemployment is rising in eight Trump states, and polls show some have turned on him (CNBC)
Bullet points:
Unemployment rates edged up year over year in Mississippi, Arizona, North Carolina, Indiana, South Carolina, Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska, according to the latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Trump’s net approval rating remains high in most of these states. But more people in Arizona and North Carolina disapprove of his job as president than approve, according to the latest Morning Consult poll.
(more at the link, including a chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics)
Net approval rating for Trump here in Nebraska is +2. That’s way down from what it was in the 2016 election. +2 is a surmountable disadvantage with a good candidate in most elections. We only have five electoral votes, but I imagine a Democratic candidate will welcome EC votes from any state she or he can get them from.
Should be 24 minutes till launch
About 20 minutes till targeted T-O of 2:30 am EDT
Nighttime Falcon Heavy launch with dual outside booster recovery
T-1 hour until Falcon Heavy launch of STP-2. Webcast will go live about 20 minutes before liftoff → https://t.co/gtC39uBC7z
— SpaceX (@SpaceX) June 25, 2019
re: #373 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
About 20 minutes till targeted T-O of 2:30 am EDT
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Spacex webcast now transmitting
WARNING launch window runs til around 3:30, and if you’re planning on watching through payload deployment there will be 4 upper stage engine burns, with 24 separate payloads released, for a total mission time of over 6 hours
So, get that coffee pot a brewing
re: #373 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
About 20 minutes till targeted T-O of 2:30 am EDT
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Recovery of core booster will be attempted, way, way, way out to sea.
Also, they will be attempting to catch 1 fairing in a net suspended above the fairing recovery ship
Side booster entry burn conducted, and was quite a sight
re: #383 Dread Pirate
Two outta three ain’t bad.
Watching someone replay the center core recovery, does look like maybe one of the three engines burning shutdown prematurely, and caused the booster to tip and fly away from the drone ship
Falcon Heavy Center core curse continues… It looks to me like it full blown took off sideways… which MIGHT mean one of the outer engines could have shut down early and then pitched it over sideways… is that correct @elonmusk ? Next time!!! 🖤 pic.twitter.com/pW16Wuw3wQ
— Everyday Astronaut (@Erdayastronaut) June 25, 2019
re: #384 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Yeah, was a hell of a try.
That’s plain kewl to watch.
All those cameras mounted in various places around the components of the rocket allow promotion of the launch in ways that were impossible during Gemini and Mercury.
Such stunning video is the sort of thing that inspires teens and children all around the planet to think “that’s kewl, when I grow up I want to work on stuff like that.” They then go to schools or whatnot to learn the relevant fields.
When he launched his car into space, it was both a proof-of-concept for his new rocket (well, I have this Tesla lying around anyway) and a really good headline-grabbing event.
It also inspired a “Tesla truther” conspiracy, mostly from the flat earther nuts.
re: #333 Belafon
Well, except the part where the US basically invented modern public education so people could red the Bible.
That was an idea we borrowed from Scotland but adopted with great enthusiasm, along with a lot of Scots.
re: #388 Anymouse 🌹
(Goes to Utah Outcasts, 8:32, caution for adult words)
Christians are mad rugby player Israel Folau was sacked. He went on a wingnut Christian screed on social media against non-Christians and LGBT+. He is now suing.
Nephew was telling me about a follow-up to the Gay Cake blowup: that the bakers then sent an order to a gay bakery asking for a cake with Leviticus 18:22 (“‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”)
They really go out of their way to make a Cultural War issue out of this.
I’m in the back yard, it’s dark and critters are running around on the other side of the fence and arguing amongst themselves. My dog comes out and I stomp my feet and clap my hands to get the critters quiet to prevent confrontations. My dog hears them and me making noise. He looks over his shoulder at me to say, “You’re ghostin’ us, motherfucker. I don’t care who you are back in the world, you give away our position one more time, I’ll bleed ya, real quiet. Leave ya here. Got that?” Then he charges the fence and runs the perimeter. I kept them quiet.
re: #392 Dread Pirate
you remind me why I am not a pet person. Don’t minds cats & dogs & the like but lack the ability to communicate with them on such a level.
Dogs make total sense to me, people not so much.
re: #394 Dread Pirate
Dogs make total sense to me, people not so much.
Lat time I kept dogs was on a six-acre ranch in Sedona, Arizona, where they could run around free all day, they only came in to be fed and slept in the garage at night.
Russia has been dumping dollars and buying gold.
https://t.co/MQx4h0zhts— Mike Walker (@New_Narrative) June 25, 2019
re: #396 Teukka
Russia has been dumping dollars and buying gold.
No problem, we will just declare bankruptcy and walk away, paying a few pennies on the dollar…worked before.
Newt……
So does this mean you stand for #Reparations. Because this is what you’re asking for.
— 🦈Bill Barr’s Bruised Lip🦈 (@DaveoutofAustin) June 25, 2019
The whole student debt discussion is being spun off by the GOP to avoid discussing the issue of education and how such ridiculous levels of student debt arose in the first place.
I was fortunate to graduate debt-free in the early 1980’s, thanks to Social Security, BEOG money and subsidized in-state tuition rates. I could make up the difference with part-time student jobs in the college library, washing dishes or doing beekeeping.
I find it unconscionable to saddle students with such levels of debt at the start of their careers.
We believe in giving patients choice, freedom, healthcare…
…unless you’re a woman. In which case all your uterus belongs to us. https://t.co/mTMasw3bFt— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) June 25, 2019
We’re delighted to confirm this #MagnaCarta is safe and sound.
It may have escaped being stabbed by King John and being cut up in a tailor’s shop, but still… https://t.co/qaT4pRAt51— The British Library (@britishlibrary) June 25, 2019
It is more likely that Verizon (AS701) did not filter routes with other Tier 1 provider AS numbers in the path on the BGP session where the CloudFlare routes were being announced. The documentation that I saw stated that the Cloudflare routes were originally announced to AS3356, then on to the network that was announcing these routes to Verizon (AS701).
If Verizon (AS701) did have AS path filters in place, the other issue would then be that they did not have route filters for individual routes based on IRR based objects. If they had these filters in place, then DQE Communications (AS33154) had added the Cloudflare AS number to their AS set or which ever IRR object they were using with Verizon (AS701) to build import policy filters. In any case, someone, either AS701 or AS33154 were not following the RFCs or BCPs for BGP import and / or export policies.
re: #366 Anymouse 🌹
Yup. He called that book the “Book of Straw.”
He was also a virulent anti-Semite, which might explain why some Protestant churches are the same (since all of them are derived from Luther’s church).
MIght want to consider reading a little history if you care about accuracy. It’s just a tiny bit more complicated than that but of course what do I know?
If you’ve had a rough day watch this…💪😍🎥🥊💪😉 pic.twitter.com/b4avWAHaXz
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) June 23, 2019
Check out the size of this hail stone that fell in Wilson, Texas on Monday. Estimated at 3” in diameter…Tea Cup sized #Hail #severe #Texas #TXWX pic.twitter.com/RkHwWFqymn
— WeatherNation (@WeatherNation) June 25, 2019
Poor shinzo abe, all that golf for nothing. https://t.co/9u23rWdseO
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) June 25, 2019
re: #406 Patricia Kayden
Poor shinzo abe, all that golf for nothing.
assume that Trump Properties charged green fees for Abe…
re: #406 Patricia Kayden
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By unfair, he means that he can’t make a buck off of it. So sick of him complaining that deals and policy that keep the world stable are “unfair.” But go ahead Donald stir up Japanese nationalism. I heard it went over so well last time when your father was continuing the family tradition of not serving his country.
Contemplating who’ll soon be the other side of the door…
(Photo @PoliticalPics) pic.twitter.com/guG3KZl9tn— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) June 25, 2019
Boris Johnson has just described the Garden Bridge as an “excellent project”. It cost £53m and doesn’t exist.
— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) June 25, 2019
Hi all. Not gonna be on as much in the weekdays since I have a new job with an EPA contractor doing data entry.
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The Hyatt costs $200/night. These camps cost $775/day for each child. Maybe we should send them all to the Hyatt? #TheResistance #CloseTheCamps https://t.co/zKMCkaTYYj
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) June 25, 2019
re: #406 Patricia Kayden
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The supposed reason he opposes it is because when it was negotiated in 1951, the leaders of a nation still rebuilding after the horrors of WWII and largely reliant upon foreign aid didn’t envision a time when a future nutjob of a president would try to start a war and expect our allies to be obligated to fight on our side.
re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth
Boris Johnson has just described the Garden Bridge as an “excellent project”. It cost £53m and doesn’t exist.
Only £46m was taxpayer-funded…
I think a partial explanation might be found buried in the middle of the piece:
The biggest expenditure was the £21m contract to build the bridge - with campaigners still wanting to know why that was allowed when land had not even been secured.
I think an investigation into exactly who was on the receiving end of that largesse might be illuminating: or, as the classicists might say, Cui bono???
re: #414 The Vicious Babushka
The Hyatt costs $200/night. These camps cost $775/day for each child. Maybe we should send them all to the Hyatt?
“If they had not entered the Confederacy illegally, they would not be held in this camp!”
-Director of Andersonville POW camp, on crowded, unsanitary conditions there.
For all their anger at the use of the term “concentration camps” and insistence that they’re nothing like those run by the Nazis, they certainly seem to be spending a lot of time arguing why they should be allowed to do so.
BUT ALSO CIRCLING BACK TO FIRST POINT: RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX OR ATTRACTION IT IS POWER AND VIOLENCE AND THIS MAN SHOULD NOT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Obviously.
— Rebecca Traister (@rtraister) June 25, 2019
Basically the only argument that wingnuts can make for why “concentration camps” is not the right term…is because kids are not deliberately being executed. That if they die from illness or disease while in custody, then it was deserved because “They broke the law!”
JUST IN: President Trump has recently mused to confidants about withdrawing from a postwar defense treaty with Japan, sources say https://t.co/Veq6bPu25L pic.twitter.com/ALbM1ihv1R
— Bloomberg (@business) June 25, 2019
Moreover, if I were Taiwan, I’d be very worried right now about US commitment to its independence. https://t.co/eQp1vDXten
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) June 25, 2019
re: #421 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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“We’re making America safer…but cutting all our allies loose! We’re respected again…by the dictators who thank us for empowering them!”
And TPM documents another right wing scammer…
After months of viral fame, the man responsible for live-streaming dozens of his and his masked militia friends’ “arrests” of migrants and asylum seekers at the border was charged with impersonating a federal agent, according to newly unsealed court filings.
The Daily Beast also revealed Friday that Benvie had been charged with fraud in Oklahoma, for allegedly padding his own pockets with money he ostensibly raised for a cancer-striken child.
In other words, just another typical Christian Flock Fleecing Republican…
Waiting for Sarah Palin to get involved.
— D. (@Dlstoke) June 25, 2019
Thought it was a retweet at first, but no: President Trump thanks Mr. President for high stock market prices. https://t.co/ImMUzjqULh
— Sebastian Smith (@SebastianAFP) June 25, 2019
re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
He retweeted it with the POTUS account also
morning all.
THIS is exactly the problem with EVERYTHING
the incompetence and chaos is good for business so it’s never gonna be called out
Top executives tell Axios that a real “Trump slump” is hitting digital and cable news.
“The shock factor around President Trump’s unplanned announcements, staff departures, taunting tweets and erratic behavior is wearing off, and media companies are scrambling to find their next big moneymaker.”
the media companies: as long as we’re making enough money and getting ours, we dont care how bad he’s screwing you all
re: #103 DangerMan
yup that’s exactly what they did do
billo nails it. //
Bill’s 3/5 of the way there….
Sex predators have a profile.
In Trump’s case, they’re women.
Women who aren’t as rich or as powerful as Trump thinks he is.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 25, 2019
re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
He retweeted it with the POTUS account also
— Alistair (@AlistairM2) June 25, 2019
Facebook: we’re learning. We have to do better😇
YouTube: sorry re Nazis & conspiracies, no idea why algos make them top recs😘
NYP: Murdoch made us delete story re POTUS rape allegations💩
NYT: it wasn’t our story, so whatevs🙄
2020 gonna be awesome🎉https://t.co/P2SlFSfn1j— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) June 24, 2019
We really don’t seem to have any media or “major” platform on our side. The ones that have chosen a side have chosen to become fellow travelers with this fucking monster of a president and all they have to offer is mealy mouth paeans that they know are transparent bullshit and they just fucking smirk and say ‘what can you do about it, we own the fucking game’.
And they do. And that’s the fucking awful and depressing part, they do all but own the game and make it so fucking impenetrable in service to the golden dolt.
re: #431 Citizen K
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We really don’t seem to have any media or “major” platform on our side.
They are on the side of celebrity and access, not about to do anything to endanger that.
Boris Johnson doesn’t know how to be a human.
Oh lord https://t.co/1pXuDcVu7X
— benwedeman (@bencnn) June 25, 2019
WTF?? https://t.co/eIiATxWUOv
— Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice) June 25, 2019
Joe Biden touching a woman on the shoulder got more coverage then a credible rape accusation against the president.
— Janet Johnson (@JJohnsonLaw) June 22, 2019
re: #433 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Boris Johnson doesn’t know how to be a human.
He paints imaginary sums of money on the sides of buses…
Ron Howard voice over:
“Iran will eventually possess nuclear weapons”— WB Young 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) June 25, 2019
re: #434 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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The whole entire fix is in. And man, yes, Biden needs to be taken to task when he does dumb shit, but we have a president credibly accused of rape 2 dozen times over. And it merits a blurb in the book section on the ‘paper of record’ maybe a minute of coverage on the nightly news.
There seems to be nothing a Republican can do that can’t and won’t be ignored away under ‘boys will be boys’. A Dem sneezes, it’s a fucking national scandal meriting 3 weeks of wall to wall coverage. And the harder you fight back against that double standard, the more it hardens out of spite, the more powerful it becomes because ‘FUCK YOU, that’s why’.
re: #434 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Absolutely beyond parody — on Fox & Friends, Acting ICE Director Mark Morgan says leaks about the deportation raids ICE is planning are “egregious” and put “the lives of agents and officers” at risk.
Trump leaked news of the forthcoming raids on Twitter! pic.twitter.com/x2wikXgvPk— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 25, 2019
re: #437 Citizen K
The whole entire fix is in. And man, yes, Biden needs to be taken to task when he does dumb shit, but we have a president credibly accused of rape 2 dozen times over. And it merits a blurb in the book section on the ‘paper of record’ maybe a minute of coverage on the nightly news.
There seems to be nothing a Republican can do that can’t and won’t be ignored away under ‘boys will be boys’. A Dem sneezes, it’s a fucking national scandal meriting 3 weeks of wall to wall coverage. And the harder you fight back against that double standard, the more it hardens out of spite, the more powerful it becomes because ‘FUCK YOU, that’s why’.
*Accusation of rape against a Republican*
GOP: Look at the Democrats trying to feed children. How dare they.
*Democrat touches a woman’s shoulder*
Democrats: Look at the stupid shit he’s doing.
When the goal is to get as many negative reactions about a politician as possible, which one do you think the media is going to go after?
This child was separated from her mother, and adopted by a family through Bethany Christian Services, an adoption agency in Michigan funded by over $3 million from Betsy… https://t.co/cdoPfPecLY
— Mitchell Robinson (@mrobmsu) June 25, 2019
re: #440 Belafon
*Accusation of rape against a Republican*
GOP: Look at the Democrats trying to feed children. How dare they.
*Democrat touches a woman’s shoulder*
Democrats: Look at the stupid shit he’s doing.When the goal is to get as many negative reactions about a politician as possible, which one do you think the media is going to go after?
The media has decided that “Republican accused of rape” is about as exciting as “Dog bites man,” while a story about a Dem being crucified by the #Metoo crowd is ratings gold because of the “hypocrisy” angle.
I guess I have an unpopular opinion this morning. Michael Jackson gone 10 years.
Dgaf.
re: #440 Belafon
*Accusation of rape against a Republican*
GOP: Look at the Democrats trying to feed children. How dare they.
*Democrat touches a woman’s shoulder*
Democrats: Look at the stupid shit he’s doing.When the goal is to get as many negative reactions about a politician as possible, which one do you think the media is going to go after?
If that was even the actual metric they operated off of, that’d be bad enough. But they actively run apologia after apologia for the GOP while grinding their foot on every single minor misdeed a Dem does. The fact that our more consistent standards are weaponized against us like a bludgeon just makes it feel like we can never win, and even if we tried to adopt scorched earth tactics to counter the GOP’s own, it’d never work because we’ll just get blame for both our sins and the GOPs own and they’ll get treated even further like the saintliest super-motherfucking god-touched heroes forever.
re: #230 Stanley Sea
Link!
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re: #444 Citizen K
If that was even the actual metric they operated off of, that’d be bad enough. But they actively run apologia after apologia for the GOP while grinding their foot on every single minor misdeed a Dem does. The fact that our more consistent standards are weaponized against us like a bludgeon just makes it feel like we can never win, and even if we tried to adopt scorched earth tactics to counter the GOP’s own, it’d never work because we’ll just get blame for both our sins and the GOPs own and they’ll get treated even further like the saintliest super-motherfucking god-touched heroes forever.
I only offer this as evidence: When’s the last time we heard anything about the Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General of Virginia?
re: #48 Scottish Dragon
Trump’s best movie it to force this into the House. All bets are off after that. State GOP legislatures tend to be more wild and extreme that what you see nationally (God knows they are here in NC) and if they can throw the election they will.
can we please stop with this? There is no conceivable scenario in which Trump loses the next election and somehow remains in power. Past January 21st of 2021. The Chief Justice will be swearing in a new president at that time. The military will be ceding civilian control to the new administration. Trump is welcome to bitch about it as much as he wants to between November and January, but there will be a transition going on, and nothing Trump or Republicans in the House can do to stop it. There is absolutely no constitional process by which an outgoing president can claim something was rigged so as to stay in power. The system was specifically designed so that this cannot happen. The military won’t support it. The Supreme Court wouldn’t support it. The House won’t support it. Inidividual state legislatures won’t support it.
But here’s the thing: even under that metric, they are almost overtly partisan. They had the scoop on all the ugly stuff in Trump’s taxes. and promoted the hell out of it…for maybe 3 days. And then it disappeared and they returned to repeating Trump’s utterances credulously.
— The Cruelty Is the Point, K? (@Citizen_Kryptik) June 25, 2019
re: #441 The Vicious Babushka
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re: #447 steve_davis
can we please stop with this? There is no conceivable scenario in which Trump loses the next election and somehow remains in power. Past January 21st of 2021. The Chief Justice will be swearing in a new president at that time. The military will be ceding civilian control to the new administration. Trump is welcome to bitch about it as much as he wants to between November and January, but there will be a transition going on, and nothing Trump or Republicans in the House can do to stop it. There is absolutely no constitional process by which an outgoing president can claim something was rigged so as to stay in power. The system was specifically designed so that this cannot happen. The military won’t support it. The Supreme Court wouldn’t support it. The House won’t support it. Inidividual state legislatures won’t support it.
Justice Garland would like a word.
Actually agree with you—they couldn’t corrupt the existing structures fast enough for 2020. Don’t make any bets if they get four more years.
re: #67 Scottish Dragon
He will refuse to leave. He cannot admit defeat and he knows he is at grave legal risk the moment he leaves. He has been building the “Illegals rigged the election” theme for two years now and he will weaponize it in 2020 to mount legal challenges IMHO. I see no reason for him to NOT to do it.
He does not respect the tradition of peaceful turnover of power, and he does not recognize or respect anything else beyond his immediate fulfillment of needs. What seems obvious to me at this point is that Trump will do the worst thing possible if allowed, and he will do it without thought or hesitation. Moreover, he equates use of armed force with strength. He already toyed with the idea of a National Guard occupation of Chicago a year ago. When things get dicey here and protestors have taken over the streets to demand he leaves, he knows exactly what his base will demand and love:
Beating us and shooting at us.
“refuse to leave” how? do you imagine his secret service detail is going to be thinking “well, he is the former president, so clearly he’s entitled to be here”?
re: #446 Belafon
I only offer this as evidence: When’s the last time we heard anything about the Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General of Virginia?
Last week, at least for those of us who actually live in VA. Virginia Dems are facing criticism for using Northam to raise campaign funds after they just got done last year demanding his resignation, while Fairfax is back in the news because he’s claiming the sexual assault allegations made against him have generated name recognition he wants to use to run as Northam’s successor in 2021.
re: #448 Citizen K
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re: #452 Targetpractice
Last week, at least for those of us who actually live in VA. Virginia Dems are facing criticism for using Northam to raise campaign funds after they just got done last year demanding his resignation, while Fairfax is back in the news because he’s claiming the sexual assault allegations made against him have generated name recognition he wants to use to run as Northam’s successor in 2021.
It’s not national level scandal anymore, but yeah, seems like plenty damage already done. Meanwhile, what consequences have come of GOPers doing the exact same shit?
re: #454 Citizen K
It’s not national level scandal anymore, but yeah, seems like plenty damage already done. Meanwhile, what consequences have come of GOPers doing the exact same shit?
I still believe this was a Roger Stone dirty trick.
re: #430 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Seen more Anti Trump articles in the USA Today than the Times and the rest combined.
re: #454 Citizen K
It’s not national level scandal anymore, but yeah, seems like plenty damage already done. Meanwhile, what consequences have come of GOPers doing the exact same shit?
So far, the biggest sex scandals involving Repubs in the same time frame…have been over using taxpayer dollars to pay off settlements and hypocrisy about pushing mistresses to get abortions. But in the court of public opinion, the standard defense for a Repub accused of rape is still the same as ever: “SHE’S A LYING WHORE!”
re: #447 steve_davis
can we please stop with this? There is no conceivable scenario in which Trump loses the next election and somehow remains in power. Past January 21st of 2021. The Chief Justice will be swearing in a new president at that time.
Trump has managed to get away with things that no politician has, which is why I cannot fully put it past him, although I find it unlikely for the reasons you stated.
But he will certainly launch and perpetuate the narrative that his Democratic successor is somehow illegitimate and seized power through stolen votes or some other sort of irregularities/manipulation and this will continue to go unchallenged.
re: #455 Joe Bacon 🌹
I still believe this was a Roger Stone dirty trick.
I’m not sure. But goddamn if the timing coinciding with Northam’s support for the most expansive pro choice legislation in Virginia state history wasn’t curious as hell.
re: #457 Targetpractice
So far, the biggest sex scandals involving Repubs in the same time frame…have been over using taxpayer dollars to pay off settlements and hypocrisy about pushing mistresses to get abortions. But in the court of public opinion, the standard defense for a Repub accused of rape is still the same as ever: “SHE’S A LYING WHORE!”
And IOKIYAR since Jesus always forgives anything a Republican does!
re: #451 steve_davis
“refuse to leave” how? do you imagine his secret service detail is going to be thinking “well, he is the former president, so clearly he’s entitled to be here”?
I would love to see him wheeled out on a handcart in a straitjacket and face mask, Hannibal Lechter style.
re: #460 Joe Bacon 🌹
And IOKIYAR since Jesus always forgives anything a Republican does!
you can go whoremongering or even lay with young boys as one does with women and God will forgive you as long as you repent and promise to be a better Christian.
But if you continue to support things that God finds an abdomination, like abortion or gay marriage/military service, then God will NEVER forgive you.
re: #447 steve_davis
can we please stop with this? There is no conceivable scenario in which Trump loses the next election and somehow remains in power. Past January 21st of 2021. The Chief Justice will be swearing in a new president at that time. The military will be ceding civilian control to the new administration. Trump is welcome to bitch about it as much as he wants to between November and January, but there will be a transition going on, and nothing Trump or Republicans in the House can do to stop it. There is absolutely no constitional process by which an outgoing president can claim something was rigged so as to stay in power. The system was specifically designed so that this cannot happen. The military won’t support it. The Supreme Court wouldn’t support it. The House won’t support it. Inidividual state legislatures won’t support it.
Had they truly been that powerful, they would have stopped the House takeover in 2018.
re: #463 Belafon
Had they truly been that powerful, they would have stopped the House takeover in 2018.
They’re not that powerful.
Yet.
re: #463 Belafon
Had they truly been that powerful, they would have stopped the House takeover in 2018.
I do tend to agree with this analysis. My worries are less about beating Trump next fall and more about defeating the elements that made his rise possible in the first place.
I think Mitch McConnell is more dangerous than Donald Trump.
re: #465 HappyWarrior
I do tend to agree with this analysis. My worries are less about beating Trump next fall and more about defeating the elements that made his rise possible in the first place.
That is the ancient fight. We can’t return to it until we have stabilized the battlefield.
re: #447 steve_davis
can we please stop with this? There is no conceivable scenario in which Trump loses the next election and somehow remains in power. Past January 21st of 2021. The Chief Justice will be swearing in a new president at that time. The military will be ceding civilian control to the new administration. Trump is welcome to bitch about it as much as he wants to between November and January, but there will be a transition going on, and nothing Trump or Republicans in the House can do to stop it. There is absolutely no constitional process by which an outgoing president can claim something was rigged so as to stay in power. The system was specifically designed so that this cannot happen. The military won’t support it. The Supreme Court wouldn’t support it. The House won’t support it. Inidividual state legislatures won’t support it.
I agree with you 100%. Trump likes to rant to boost his ratings and it’s certainly possible that his Russian handler is encouraging to stay on, but as much as he is a bully, he’s not going to do anything but run off at the mouth when he leaves office; he will use a defeat as an opportunity to raise money, get television time, demand stronger voter suppression laws, and try to run again in 2024, assuming he’s not in prison for income tax evasion.
re: #468 Hecuba’s daughter
I agree with you 100%. Trump likes to rant to boost his ratings and it’s certainly possible that his Russian handler is encouraging to stay on, but as much as he is a bully, he’s not going to do anything but run off at the mouth when he leaves office; he will use a defeat as an opportunity to raise money, get television time, demand stronger voter suppression laws, and try to run again in 2024, assuming he’s not in prison for income tax evasion.
That’s a perfectly valid opinion, but this would be a good time to act as though you are wrong.
As Stalin said, one sexual assault allegation is a scandal, seventeen are a statistic.
— Adelle Waldman (@adellewaldman) June 25, 2019
re: #441 The Vicious Babushka
Chile. Argentina. Franco’s Spain. Italy. And of course, aryan looking Slavs by Nazi Germany.
Resist!
re: #467 Decatur Deb
That is the ancient fight. We can’t return to it until we have stabilized the battlefield.
I agree with that. I’m just saying Biden if he’s the guy needs to be more than just a short term bandaid. There are ugly elements in this country that must be defeated and I hope whether it’s Biden or Warren or whomever we recognize that. We can’t face a Trump 2.0.
re: #472 HappyWarrior
I agree with that. I’m just saying Biden if he’s the guy needs to be more than just a short term bandaid. There are ugly elements in this country that must be defeated and I hope whether it’s Biden or Warren or whomever we recognize that. We can’t face a Trump 2.0.
That’s why I don’t care who wins the nomination, as long as they are the most able to sweep this bullshit away and buy us time to restart the real struggle.
re: #466 The Vicious Babushka
I think Mitch McConnell is more dangerous than Donald Trump.
Because he actually understands government. But collectively they both are. Thankfully McCarthy is Minority Leader with no imminent signs of gaining back the House. The courts are hit or miss.
re: #473 Decatur Deb
That’s why I don’t care who wins the nomination, as long as they are the most able to sweep this bullshit away and buy us time to restart the real struggle.
Well it’s all the same struggle. Modernity versus retro. The promise of a better tomorrow versus a romantic past that never existed. We won that with Obama and Bill Clinton but lost the latter to Trump and Reagan.
re: #475 HappyWarrior
Well it’s all the same struggle. Modernity versus retro. The promise of a better tomorrow versus a romantic past that never existed. We won that with Obama and Bill Clinton but lost the latter to Trump and Reagan.
Bill Clinton and his dick put us where we are today. Voted for him twice.
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Bill Clinton and his dick put us where we are today. Voted for him twice.
don’t forget the role of the SCOTUS in 2000
Think about everything going on in politics right now when you read this:
Only 22% of Democrats registered to vote say they know a lot about the candidates’ positions.
Only 35% say they’re paying close attention, with almost two-thirds saying they’re paying some or no attention.https://t.co/ZnuMh6mtnw— Meg Kinnard (@MegKinnardAP) June 24, 2019
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Bill Clinton and his dick put us where we are today. Voted for him twice.
I don’t disagree but it’s a host of factors. My point is I want the nominee to talk about a better tomorrow rather than just a return. I don’t dislike Biden but I think he has a tendency to romanticize the past. Won’t stop me from voting or campaigning for him if he’s the nominee mind you but this should be a factor in who we nominate. I don’t need promises of grandeur, just assurance that our best days are ahead. And that’s how we’ve won.
re: #478 Belafon
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The nomination is still anyone’s game. I still lean towards someone like O’Rourke or Harris at this point. Though I’m warming up to Warren.
re: #477 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
don’t forget the role of the SCOTUS in 2000
His head brought the country to such a head.
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Bill Clinton and his dick put us where we are today. Voted for him twice.
Clinton lost the House and Senate in 1994 thanks to Newt and his brilliant framing of Clinton’s tax increases on the wealthy and effort to provide health care. Gore should have won the election outright — it shouldn’t have been so close — (don’t forget the butterfly ballot that lost him thousands of votes and the disenfranchisement of thousands of African-Americans who were deprived of voting due to Katherine Harris) but Gore’s performance in the debate where camera caught him sighing and making faces certainly didn’t help him and the media was just as dishonest then as it was in 2016, in promoting the GOP.
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Bill Clinton and his dick put us where we are today. Voted for him twice.
re: #479 HappyWarrior
I don’t disagree but it’s a host of factors. My point is I want the nominee to talk about a better tomorrow rather than just a return. I don’t dislike Biden but I think he has a tendency to romanticize the past. Won’t stop me from voting or campaigning for him if he’s the nominee mind you but this should be a factor in who we nominate. I don’t need promises of grandeur, just assurance that our best days are ahead. And that’s how we’ve won.
Putting it all on Clinton ignores the GOP Congress’s involvement, especially since Gingrich help really snowball the total bad faith operation of the party in the way we see it now.
re: #482 Hecuba’s daughter
Clinton lost the House and Senate in 1994 thanks to Newt and his brilliant framing of Clinton’s tax increases on the wealthy and effort to provide health care. Gore should have won the election outright — it shouldn’t have been so close — (don’t forget the butterfly ballot that lost him thousands of votes and the disenfranchisement of thousands of African-Americans who were deprived of voting due to Katherine Harris) but Gore’s performance in the debate where camera caught him sighing and making faces certainly didn’t help him and the media was just as dishonest then as it was in 2016, in promoting the GOP.
All over, it feels like the exact same thing of heaping nearly all the blame on Hillary for all of the 2016 failures. Like another case of ‘Dems must be to blame for everything’.
re: #479 HappyWarrior
I don’t disagree but it’s a host of factors. My point is I want the nominee to talk about a better tomorrow rather than just a return. I don’t dislike Biden but I think he has a tendency to romanticize the past. Won’t stop me from voting or campaigning for him if he’s the nominee mind you but this should be a factor in who we nominate. I don’t need promises of grandeur, just assurance that our best days are ahead. And that’s how we’ve won.
To me, the entire appeal of a Biden nomination rests in this idea that he can win over voters with the promise of “turning back the clock.” But not in the way that wingnuts fantasize about when they think they can just undo the entire 20th century. No, Biden’s appeal is this idea that we can just “erase” the Trump years and return things back to status quo ante bellum circa 2016. That we can fix the whole sodding mess by reversing Trump’s policy changes, dismantle legislation like the Trump Tax Cuts, and get things back to where they were when Obama left office.
And the reason for that appeal is because people want to act like Trump’s election was a “mistake,” an experiment that failed and that is best swept under the rug. Sort of like how Obama got elected in the first place, this driving desire to try to reach back to “better times” by acting as if the last election just didn’t happen. And that’s what Biden is offering them, to make that run for the presidency that he bowed out of in 2016 and continue the “good times.”
re: #482 Hecuba’s daughter
Clinton lost the House and Senate in 1994 thanks to Newt and his brilliant framing of Clinton’s tax increases on the wealthy and effort to provide health care. Gore should have won the election outright — it shouldn’t have been so close — (don’t forget the butterfly ballot that lost him thousands of votes and the disenfranchisement of thousands of African-Americans who were deprived of voting due to Katherine Harris) but Gore’s performance in the debate where camera caught him sighing and making faces certainly didn’t help him and the media was just as dishonest then as it was in 2016, in promoting the GOP.
Gore lost the narrative. It’s too bad because had he become the 43rd President, things would be very different especially environmentally speaking and on the courts but also in FP. I think Gore was in a tough spot tho. People generally liked Clinton’s performance even if they thought he wasn’t the most upstanding spouse. That said, it gets me mad at all the phonies who had moral outrage at Clinton yet think Trump is divinely chosen and his moral failures- which far exceed Bill’s aren’t disqualifying and their nastiness to the Obama family. The Obama family is pure class and the racist right treated them like shit.
re: #478 Belafon
Only 22% of Democrats registered to vote say they know a lot about the candidates’ positions.
Only 35% say they’re paying close attention, with almost two-thirds saying they’re paying some or no attention
Think about how most people will not get wrapped up in the election until next spring/summer, for chrissakes.
re: #483 Citizen K
Putting it all on Clinton ignores the GOP Congress’s involvement, especially since Gingrich help really snowball the total bad faith operation of the party in the way we see it now.
We have been on knife-edge politics since Reagan. Any one screw-up can throw the country off by 90 degrees. Fumbling with a blue dress was enough to finish Gore. A half-dozen small errors scuttled HRC. That’s the reality of a schizo electorate.
re: #484 Targetpractice
To me, the entire appeal of a Biden nomination rests in this idea that he can win over voters with the promise of “turning back the clock.” But not in the way that wingnuts fantasize about when they think they can just undo the entire 20th century. No, Biden’s appeal is this idea that we can just “erase” the Trump years and return things back to status quo ante bellum circa 2016. That we can fix the whole sodding mess by reversing Trump’s policy changes, dismantle legislation like the Trump Tax Cuts, and get things back to where they were when Obama left office.
And the reason for that appeal is because people want to act like Trump’s election was a “mistake,” an experiment that failed and that is best swept under the rug. Sort of like how Obama got elected in the first place, this driving desire to try to reach back to “better times” by acting as if the last election just didn’t happen. And that’s what Biden is offering them, to make that run for the presidency that he bowed out of in 2016 and continue the “good times.”
I’d happily go back to 2016 but I hope Biden is astute enough to know that we’ll find ourselves in the same mess if we just naively treat the entire political right as just people we disagree with and Trump is a freak accident.
re: #437 Citizen K
The whole entire fix is in. And man, yes, Biden needs to be taken to task when he does dumb shit, but we have a president credibly accused of rape 2 dozen times over. And it merits a blurb in the book section on the ‘paper of record’ maybe a minute of coverage on the nightly news.
There seems to be nothing a Republican can do that can’t and won’t be ignored away under ‘boys will be boys’. A Dem sneezes, it’s a fucking national scandal meriting 3 weeks of wall to wall coverage. And the harder you fight back against that double standard, the more it hardens out of spite, the more powerful it becomes because ‘FUCK YOU, that’s why’.
as i pointed out in re: #427 DangerMan
it’s not about ignoring it, boys will be boys etc. that’s just how it looks
what it really is is that they figured out what sells and how to package it to maximum effect (ie profits)
re: #487 Decatur Deb
We have been on knife-edge politics since Reagan. Any one screw-up can throw the country off by 90 degrees. Fumbling with a blue dress was enough to finish Gore. A half-dozen small errors scuttled HRC. That’s the reality of a schizo electorate.
And a news media that plays to the lowest common denominator and is fixated on ratings and access over reporting news.
re: #483 Citizen K
Putting it all on Clinton ignores the GOP Congress’s involvement, especially since Gingrich help really snowball the total bad faith operation of the party in the way we see it now.
All over, it feels like the exact same thing of heaping nearly all the blame on Hillary for all of the 2016 failures. Like another case of ‘Dems must be to blame for everything’.
I’m not blaming HRC. I’m just saying in general we do better when the message is received of a better tomorrow. I blame voters not her who bought Trumps bs for why we are where we are and selfish purist lefties and Russian agitprop.
re: #485 HappyWarrior
Gore lost the narrative. It’s too bad because had he become the 43rd President, things would be very different especially environmentally speaking and on the courts but also in FP. I think Gore was in a tough spot tho. People generally liked Clinton’s performance even if they thought he wasn’t the most upstanding spouse. That said, it gets me mad at all the phonies who had moral outrage at Clinton yet think Trump is divinely chosen and his moral failures- which far exceed Bill’s aren’t disqualifying and their nastiness to the Obama family. The Obama family is pure class and the racist right treated them like shit.
Gore got fucked over by the centrist camp in the Dems pleading with him to distance himself from Clinton, egged on by a media who wanted to hang Clinton and impeachment around Gore’s neck, all the while disingenuously tarring him with some of the dumbest shit and promoting W with that ‘aw-shucks’ ‘compassionate conservatism’ hagiographic bullshit. Like, how much of the damage done to Clinton and Gore was via Dems who took the GOP’s bad faith BS at faith value and became very very ‘concerned’?
re: #489 DangerMan
as i pointed out in
it’s not about ignoring it, boys will be boys etc. that’s just how it lookswhat it really is is that they figured out what sells and how to package it to maximum effect (ie profits)
Considering how consistent it is far as GOP ass-covering and apologia, I’m not even sure it’s that, especially with how much they openly crave validation from conservative audiences that constantly spit in and kick them in the face, while attacking and denigrating their own liberal audiences with, again, unerring consistency.
re: #491 HappyWarrior
I’m not blaming HRC. I’m just saying in general we do better when the message is received of a better tomorrow. I blame voters not her who bought Trumps bs for why we are where we are and selfish purist lefties and Russian agitprop.
We were also in a country where a political record was a detriment, baggage that could be cherry-picked to use against a candidate.
Up against a private “businessman” with no record of public service and not willing to release tax records of his “private” service.
re: #492 Citizen K
Gore got fucked over by the centrist camp in the Dems pleading with him to distance himself from Clinton, egged on by a media who wanted to hang Clinton and impeachment around Gore’s neck, all the while disingenuously tarring him with some of the dumbest shit and promoting W with that ‘aw-shucks’ ‘compassionate conservatism’ hagiographic bullshit. Like, how much of the damage done to Clinton and Gore was via Dems who took the GOP’s bad faith BS at faith value and became very very ‘concerned’?
Maybe but Gore still should bear some responsibility by his choices. And back then he was an imo too cautious centrist. I don’t dislike the man or not appreciate his years of service but I think he should and could have been more bold.
re: #492 Citizen K
Don’t forget the endless hatchet job the media did on Gore led by the likes of Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, David Browder and Tweety!
re: #493 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
We were also in a country where a political record was a detriment, baggage that could be cherry-picked to use against a candidate.
Up against a private “businessman” with no record of public service and not willing to release tax records of his “private” service.
After what I read about Trump wanting to dismantle the US-Japan treaty made post WWII, I want more history majors and less stuck up MBAs in office than ever.
re: #493 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Even with all that HRC had going against her I still voted for her and would do so again.
re: #495 Joe Bacon 🌹
Don’t forget the endless hatchet job the media did on Gore led by the likes of Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, David Browder and Tweety!
Definitely that too. I’m not blaming Gore for 2000. Just musing that he could have done better.
re: #488 HappyWarrior
I’d happily go back to 2016 but I hope Biden is astute enough to know that we’ll find ourselves in the same mess if we just naively treat the entire political right as just people we disagree with and Trump is a freak accident.
I’d argue that he is astute enough…which is why he is running on such a platform. Present Trump as an aberration, that Americans are “better than that,” and argue that a vote for him in 2016 can be forgiven if you get out there next year and vote against him. And it’s why I worry about his winning the nomination, because 2018 wasn’t about turning Trump voters against him as much as it was getting those people who stayed home 2 years prior to the polls. He’s gonna need to find something to offer to those folks, because they don’t feel a need to seek absolution.
re: #497 PhillyPretzel
Even with all that HRC had going against her I still voted for her and would do so again.
She would have been the best President of all those who ran three years ago and it’s not close. Better than Trump obviously but better than Bernie and of course the other Republicans. She’s smart. She knows policy.
re: #499 Targetpractice
I’d argue that he is astute enough…which is why he is running on such a platform. Present Trump as an aberration, that Americans are “better than that,” and argue that a vote for him in 2016 can be forgiven if you get out there next year and vote against him. And it’s why I worry about his winning the nomination, because 2018 wasn’t about turning Trump voters against him as much as it was getting those people who stayed home 2 years prior to the polls. He’s gonna need to find something to offer to those folks, because they don’t feel a need to seek absolution.
True.
re: #461 The Vicious Babushka
I would love to see him wheeled out on a handcart in a straitjacket and face mask, Hannibal Lechter style.
the white house ushers (who pack up the white house the morning of the inauguration) will take the chair he’s sitting in, put it and him on a dolly, and trundle him out
and by inauguration time, it’s too late - congress has certified the vote and roberts will administer the oath
its between election day and 1/3/21 when congress votes, that any possible shenanigans could take place
re: #500 HappyWarrior
She has political experience. That is what should have been the point. DT has nothing.
re: #494 HappyWarrior
Maybe but Gore still should bear some responsibility by his choices. And back then he was an imo too cautious centrist. I don’t dislike the man or not appreciate his years of service but I think he should and could have been more bold.
But that’s the thing, Gore already consistently gets the lionshare of the blame and generally has become considered too toxic a political figure to dare be seen with, save the blip of good will he got with An Inconvenient Truth that was jiujitsued to make him even more toxic than ever.
Even among us, the Dems’ general defensive crouch, and willingness to run away from Clinton, combined with the toxic, adversarial media atmosphere, doesn’t get enough blame compared to Gore himself. And it’s the same sort of willingness to find the one single scapegoat for the election that I see in the continued rush to vilify Hillary for 2016 even among the left.
re: #496 HappyWarrior
After what I read about Trump wanting to dismantle the US-Japan treaty made post WWII, I want more history majors and less stuck up MBAs in office than ever.
I know that Trump has said before he’d withdraw from alliances if he felt America was being ‘treated unfairly,’ but this is obviously so wrongheaded from a geo-political standpoint that I can’t help but think he’s taking his advice mostly from Xi, Putin, and Kim. It’s so fucking dangerous. Hello nuclear Japan!
that’s part of a thread by Heath
Reading this, I can understand why his wife is cooperating with prosecutors against him. Jeez. https://t.co/I5JhFzHRQH
— Kate Brannen (@K8brannen) June 25, 2019
re: #493 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
We were also in a country where a political record was a detriment, baggage that could be cherry-picked to use against a candidate.
Up against a private “businessman” with no record of public service and not willing to release tax records of his “private” service.
So lets seriously consider a dozen or more baby candidates who couldn’t find the Washington Monument with a tour guide.
re: #484 Targetpractice
To me, the entire appeal of a Biden nomination rests in this idea that he can win over voters with the promise of “turning back the clock.” But not in the way that wingnuts fantasize about when they think they can just undo the entire 20th century. No, Biden’s appeal is this idea that we can just “erase” the Trump years and return things back to status quo ante bellum circa 2016. That we can fix the whole sodding mess by reversing Trump’s policy changes, dismantle legislation like the Trump Tax Cuts, and get things back to where they were when Obama left office.
And the reason for that appeal is because people want to act like Trump’s election was a “mistake,” an experiment that failed and that is best swept under the rug. Sort of like how Obama got elected in the first place, this driving desire to try to reach back to “better times” by acting as if the last election just didn’t happen. And that’s what Biden is offering them, to make that run for the presidency that he bowed out of in 2016 and continue the “good times.”
- biden’s current, campaign approach is as you say, with the the purpose to attract enough of ‘those’ voters to win
- should he win, he likely won’t govern “from the past”
a guess
based on nothing
biden is ‘gaffe prone’. he’s not stupid
re: #507 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
that’s part of a thread by Heath
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Speaking of that shitstain, I saw this tweet earlier:
Indicted GOP congressman wants his case thrown out over a photo with Hillary Clinton
by @snipy https://t.co/ZRo8DaCNJT— Shareblue Media (@Shareblue) June 25, 2019
The motion to dismiss is right out of the Trump playbook. Hunter is alleging that a shadowy cabal of people in the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California (SDCA) is out to get him because he was an early endorser of Trump’s campaign for president.
His shocking evidence? That two assistant U.S. attorneys — Alana Robinson and Emily Allen — attended a fundraiser for Clinton in 2015 and did not donate any money.
You read that right. Hunter’s motion to dismiss, or in the alternative, that the entire SDCA be recused, is based on the fact that some these attorneys did not give Hillary Clinton money. In Hunter’s mind, the fact they didn’t donate is proof they are out to get him.
re: #487 Decatur Deb
We have been on knife-edge politics since Reagan. Any one screw-up can throw the country off by 90 degrees. Fumbling with a blue dress was enough to finish Gore. A half-dozen small errors scuttled HRC. That’s the reality of a schizo electorate.
when d’s vote, d’s win
register more d’s
re: #506 Barefoot Grin
I know that Trump has said before he’d withdraw from alliances if he felt America was being ‘treated unfairly,’ but this is obviously so wrongheaded from a geo-political standpoint that I can’t help but think he’s taking his advice mostly from Xi, Putin, and Kim. It’s so fucking dangerous. Hello nuclear Japan!
It’s such ignorant bs. Trump thinks nationalism is wonderful. I see nationalism and I see the chief perpetrator of two world wars and many proxy wars in the years in between and sense. As I said, more history students, less asshole businessmen who got where they got by knowing the right people and having the $$$
re: #511 DangerMan
That and try to get some R’s to vote D.
re: #491 HappyWarrior
I’m not blaming HRC. I’m just saying in general we do better when the message is received of a better tomorrow. I blame voters not her who bought Trumps bs for why we are where we are and selfish purist lefties and Russian agitprop.
you either believe in liberty and justice for all
or you dont
(it’s right there in the pledge, after the god reference)
re: #509 DangerMan
- biden’s current, campaign approach is as you say, with the the purpose to attract enough of ‘those’ voters to win
- should he win, he likely won’t govern “from the past”a guess
based on nothing
biden is ‘gaffe prone’. he’s not stupid
Nah he’s not dumb at all. I would never call Biden stupid. Just some differences in how to get to point B.
re: #511 DangerMan
when d’s vote, d’s win
register more d’s
Registering (likely) Dems is my hobby. Getting them to turn out when their messiah isn’t nominated is the hard part.
re: #497 PhillyPretzel
Even with all that HRC had going against her I still voted for her and would do so again.
you, me and 3 million more than he got
OT I just got an email from amazon. I just got my refund. That was very fast. I just dropped the package off at U of Penn at 815 am and now I have my money back.
re: #504 PhillyPretzel
She has political experience. That is what should have been the point. DT has nothing.
he proves it every day
and there’s still people who say “she would be worse”
re: #505 Citizen K
But that’s the thing, Gore already consistently gets the lionshare of the blame and generally has become considered too toxic a political figure to dare be seen with, save the blip of good will he got with An Inconvenient Truth that was jiujitsued to make him even more toxic than ever.
Even among us, the Dems’ general defensive crouch, and willingness to run away from Clinton, combined with the toxic, adversarial media atmosphere, doesn’t get enough blame compared to Gore himself. And it’s the same sort of willingness to find the one single scapegoat for the election that I see in the continued rush to vilify Hillary for 2016 even among the left.
So I’m clear. I respect Gore and think his image should be better. The attacks on him in 2000 and since are stupid but I have no qualms criticizing the Lieberman pick or distancing himself from a well liked two term President. He’s an admirable guy, a public servant of the best kind but he did make mistakes. Ultimately he had shortcomings that were unfortunately and unfairly exploited by both the media and oppposition.
re: #506 Barefoot Grin
I know that Trump has said before he’d withdraw from alliances if he felt America was being ‘treated unfairly,’ but this is obviously so wrongheaded from a geo-political standpoint that I can’t help but think he’s taking his advice mostly from Xi, Putin, and Kim. It’s so fucking dangerous. Hello nuclear Japan!
he only sees the asymmetrical dollars
he has no clue what they ‘buy’
re: #508 Decatur Deb
So lets seriously consider a dozen or more baby candidates who couldn’t find the Washington Monument with a tour guide.
- it’s the process. gotta let it play out
- mostly no one is paying attention at this stage
- those who are, know that easily 15 of them will see the light and be gone before people do start paying attention
this is not the 2016 republican clown car show
Maybe because that the point, discrediting the concern of current inhuman conditions to allow them to continue?
— 🐄 Teo 🐄 (@Teukka72) June 25, 2019
re: #523 Teukka
It’s obviously much easier to summon outrage about them being called “concentration camps” than it is to be outraged about the conditions there.
That it’s also a grift making someone a bundle of money on other people’s pain is secondary to that mistreatment.
re: #522 DangerMan
- it’s the process. gotta let it play out
- mostly no one is paying attention at this stage
- those who are, know that easily 15 of them will see the light and be gone before people do start paying attentionthis is not the 2016 republican clown car show
Don’t want to see plausible winners brought down by a pack of hamsters.
re: #513 PhillyPretzel
That and try to get some R’s to vote D.
i am fine with this too
though in general, I feel it’s easier to expand the pie than to fight over the crumbs
- it’s easier to register 10 dems than convert one R
- it’s easier to get 10 registered dems who havent been voting out to vote than convert one R
When it comes to NATO or to the Japanese defense treaty, what it really comes back to is the idea that Trump has no direct control over the countries on the other side of the equation. He is not a coalition builder, he is not a multinationalist, and he’s damned sure not a diplomat. What he is is a control freak and he absolutely hates the idea of others at the table having a voice equal to his own. So when he goes to NATO or to Tokyo and presses them to support his latest war, he expects immediate and total compliance, he doesn’t expect to actually have to make a case for war.
re: #526 DangerMan
i am fine with this too
though in general, I feel it’s easier to expand the pie than to fight over the crumbs- it’s easier to register 10 dems than convert one R
- it’s easier to get 10 registered dems who havent been voting out to vote than convert one R
It’s difficult as hell to make sure that those registered Democratic voters will be allowed to vote once they reach the poles…
re: #527 sagehen
Except… she really is his type
they know that once it degenerates into a matter of he-said-she-said that they have won the skirmish…
re: #516 Decatur Deb
Registering (likely) Dems is my hobby. Getting them to turn out when their messiah isn’t nominated is the hard part.
it’s yeoman’s work you do.
i’ve taken the second approach - getting them to turn out
I do Postcards To Voters
any race, anywhere that needs help
How exactly are historians rewriting history?
Please name the older texts that you think set down a more correct view, and explain how historians today have rewritten that.
And, please, be specific. Otherwise, you’ll just sound like an idiot.https://t.co/pVneE3cHbx— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) June 24, 2019
Columnist at Town Hall also happens to have several pieces under consideration at The Federalist & The Daily Caller, you may be interested to know.
— HereticalStoic (@JudsonCarmicha1) June 24, 2019
The Triple Clown, if you will. 😉
— Sammy Samsonite (@LexLuthier34) June 25, 2019
re: #526 DangerMan
True but there are R’s like myself who were completely turned off by DT. After he penned the press at one of his rallies I decided to vote for HRC.
re: #532 gocart mozart
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As opposed to the right wing assholes who equate states rights white supremacists with federalists who promote diversity.
re: #524 Feline Fearless Leader
It’s obviously much easier to summon outrage about them being called “concentration camps” than it is to be outraged about the conditions there.
That it’s also a grift making someone a bundle of money on other people’s pain is secondary to that mistreatment.
re: #533 PhillyPretzel
True but there are R’s like myself who were completely turned off by DT. After he penned the press at one of his rallies I decided to vote for HRC.
It was an easy vote for me. He was NOT qualified then or now.
re: #531 DangerMan
it’s yeoman’s work you do.
i’ve taken the second approach - getting them to turn out
I do Postcards To Votersany race, anywhere that needs help
Our last HoR campaign used hand-written notes (mostly TYs), done by the volunteer office-minders like Wife. I was excused when they saw my scrawl.
re: #525 Decatur Deb
Don’t want to see plausible winners brought down by a pack of hamsters.
of course not
there are a lot of vagaries and intangibles this early on in the process and sometimes, yeah, shit happens
i like to think the cream almost always rises
(how pollyanna and curmudgeon both live in my head is complicated and messy)
At least McCain, I could acknowledge understood policy and what being President means. Sure disagreed with on policy and how he’d govern but he wasn’t running with a blindfold insisting he knew better than everyone else. Trump’s political career has been about one thing, promoting Trump.
re: #528 Targetpractice
When it comes to NATO or to the Japanese defense treaty, what it really comes back to is the idea that Trump has no direct control over the countries on the other side of the equation. He is not a coalition builder, he is not a multinationalist, and he’s damned sure not a diplomat. What he is is a control freak and he absolutely hates the idea of others at the table having a voice equal to his own. So when he goes to NATO or to Tokyo and presses them to support his latest war, he expects immediate and total compliance, he doesn’t expect to actually have to make a case for war.
ie get approval
the fear of course is the opposite - being told “no”, ie losing
re: #541 DangerMan
ie get approval
the fear of course is the opposite - being told “no”, ie losing
Which is why he admires autocrats. Putin doesn’t have to respect judges or the Duma. But Trudeau who he disdains does with his judiciary and parliament.
re: #530 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
they know that once it degenerates into a matter of he-said-she-said that they have won the skirmish…
It’s a he said versus he said and she said and she said and she said x 20.
Trump is a self-admitted sex predator whose Access Hollywood video corroborates what these 22 women have said. Trump grabs them and engages in sexual assaults because he knows he can get away with it.
Hooray and thank you all! 120K updings!!! A brief breather, then onto 125K, which will put me halfway to my lifetime goal of 250K
re: #543 lawhawk
It’s a he said versus he said and she said and she said and she said x 20.
Trump is a self-admitted sex predator whose Access Hollywood video corroborates what these 22 women have said. Trump grabs them and engages in sexual assaults because he knows he can get away with it.
And he has. He’s treated women especially like shit his entire miserable existence
These infants and toddlers are going to walk out?
Who the hell is this right wing nut job kidding?
There’s a reason they’re interred there. Because Trump and the GOP are fine harming minorities as means to deter nonwhites from coming to US.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 25, 2019
Hope we does win—the primary.
Opinion | Roy Moore is going to win
For better or worse, Alabama voters HATE being told who to vote for. Even if they’re constantly being fooled into voting for criminals, con men and carnival barkers, they like to believe that they’re the ones making the decision.
re: #544 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Congratulations. I am very happy for you. :)
re: #533 PhillyPretzel
True but there are R’s like myself who were completely turned off by DT. After he penned the press at one of his rallies I decided to vote for HRC.
in general I don’t care about political affiliations. I almost don’t care who you vote for. I care how you decide who to vote for. how you develop that position, how you make your evaluations and decisions.
The process - the critical thinking, in gathering info, acceptance of what you hear and see, that is more of a window on who you are (and aren’t) than anything else.
as to voting in general, it’s a numbers game. im not all that profound, i just think in terms of basic marketing.
re: #538 Decatur Deb
Our last HoR campaign used hand-written notes (mostly TYs), done by the volunteer office-minders like Wife. I was excused when they saw my scrawl.
when you sign up for postcards, you have to send a writing sample. no typing or electronic printing.
i thought they would reject me for sure. i never got better than a “D” in penmanship.
re: #546 lawhawk
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Let’s put your grandkids in cells and see if you’re so cool with it then you inbred fuck.
re: #546 lawhawk
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Ah, so we’ve found a new shade of victim blaming: “IF THEY DIDN’T WANT THIS, THEY COULD JUST LEAVE!!!”
re: #551 HappyWarrior
Let’s put your grandkids in cells and see if you’re so cool with it then you inbred fuck.
All these GOP extremists who say that they aren’t concentration camps or prisons, should spend a night there.
They too would be crying for their mommies.
re: #553 lawhawk
All these GOP extremists who say that they aren’t concentration camps or prisons, should spend a night there.
They too would be crying for their mommies.
These are the same clowns who laughed off Abu Ghraib as harmless old fun and whose idea of torture comes from Jack fucking Bauer.
re: #492 Citizen K
Gore got fucked over by the centrist camp in the Dems pleading with him to distance himself from Clinton, egged on by a media who wanted to hang Clinton and impeachment around Gore’s neck, all the while disingenuously tarring him with some of the dumbest shit and promoting W with that ‘aw-shucks’ ‘compassionate conservatism’ hagiographic bullshit. Like, how much of the damage done to Clinton and Gore was via Dems who took the GOP’s bad faith BS at faith value and became very very ‘concerned’?
How quickly we forget Ralph Nader and Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore.
re: #547 Decatur Deb
Hope we does win—the primary.
Opinion | Roy Moore is going to win
i remind myself daily that one of life’s big illusions is that we are even temporarily in control
alabama might wanna give me a call. i can explain
The most cowardly creature is a sheltered Republican who is where he is due to no real skills just being born white, straight, & possessing a penis.
re: #553 lawhawk
All these GOP extremists who say that they aren’t concentration camps or prisons, should spend a night there.
They too would be crying for their mommies.
But that’s the thing, that’d then just be them suffering.
They don’t care if it’s brown people suffering because they ‘deserve’ it. The only way they’ll change their mind about the camps is if onlywhite people are being held there the same way. Long as there’s brown suffering involved, they’re willing to look the other way and make it a case-by-case thing instead.
re: #546 lawhawk
Rep. Burgess on conditions in migrant camps: “You know what? There’s not a lock on the door. Any child is free to leave at anytime, but they don’t. You know why? Because they are well taken care of.”
so anyone can drive down there with buses and take them out?
re: #555 sagehen
How quickly we forget Ralph Nader and Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore.
Michael Moore was the one who warned us that Trump could win. I ignored him at the time, but he was right: it was all a matter of mathematics. All Trump had to do was to carry all the states that Romney won in 2012 (all but a given) and then get the four Rust Belt states of PA, OH, MI and WI.
And that is where the GOP (and their confederates) concentrated their efforts and succeeded.
re: #559 DangerMan
That is what he is implying. Maybe someone should try it.
re: #557 HappyWarrior
The most cowardly creature is a sheltered Republican who is where he is due to no real skills just being born white, appearing straight, & possessing a penis.
just helping out
re: #555 sagehen
How quickly we forget Ralph Nader and Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore.
Yep and it’s why I don’t take either seriously. Yeah Moore saw Trump was viable politically and then he kneecapped the best choice against him because she wasn’t pure enough for his asshole self. It’s easy to be pure when you’re loaded like those three.
Contradicting Trump, top Putin adviser says U.S. drone downed in Iranian airspace https://t.co/wsCtPTPLRg
No one can trust anything Trumpworld says. And the fact that the Iranians picked up the downed drone suggests that the Iranians were not only closer to the drone when it was downed, but that it may have been within Iranian airspace and waters when it was hit and crashed.
If the kids are free to leave at any time, then why should we believe that keeping them penned is necessary? If they are such a non-issue that they can walk out the front gate whenever they wish, why not just stick them with relatives or friends in the US while their parents plead their case for asylum?
The answer, of course, is if they’re not kept in cages…then the GOP’s buddies in the private prison industry can’t make a fortune “housing” them.
re: #560 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Michael Moore was the one who warned us that Trump could win. I ignored him at the time, but he was right: it was all a matter of mathematics. All Trump had to do was to carry all the states that Romney won in 2012 (all but a given) and then get the four Rust Belt states of PA, OH, MI and WI.
And that is where the GOP (and their confederates) concentrated their efforts and succeeded.
He was right but he’s still a purist asshole who learned all the wrong lessons from 2000. Same as Sarandon and Nader. I think part of them enjoys the Republicans being in power for the same reason right wing radio enjoys the Dems being in power.
re: #565 Targetpractice
If the kids are free to leave at any time, then why should we believe that keeping them penned is necessary? If they are such a non-issue that they can walk out the front gate whenever they wish, why not just stick them with relatives or friends in the US while their parents plead their case for asylum?
The answer, of course, is if they’re not kept in cages…then the GOP’s buddies in the private prison industry can’t make a fortune “housing” them.
the other answer is they are not free to leave
re: #566 HappyWarrior
He was right but he’s still a purist asshole who learned all the wrong lessons from 2000. Same as Sarandon and Nader. I think part of them enjoys the Republicans being in power for the same reason right wing radio enjoys the Dems being in power.
Of course, and I must admit that ignored his warnings, just considering him an annoying gadfly.
But if MM had it figured out, then the GOP also had it figured out long before that. All mathematics: carry PA, MI, WI and OH and you don’t even need Florida…
re: #564 lawhawk
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Oh, man.
Trump or Putin, Trump or Putin…
There’s no ‘prize’, because the answer is always so complicated.
🎶 My hips don’t lie 🎶
Shakira law now in full effect 🤣🤣 https://t.co/y7KUj2MnCI— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) June 25, 2019
re: #571 gocart mozart
And I know quite a few of my fellow R’s who believe that.
re: #555 sagehen
How quickly we forget Ralph Nader and Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore.
Add Phil Donahue.
“I support the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman.”
— Duncan Hunter, on his “Family Values” page.https://t.co/j0wrwyrvUy— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) June 25, 2019
re: #572 PhillyPretzel
And I know quite a few of my fellow R’s who believe that.
How can you even hope to engage people like that?
re: #574 lawhawk
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re: #574 lawhawk
So this latest DoJ file reveals that Duncan Hunter had an affair with at least three different lobbyists, one of his own staff members, and an aide to a member of the GOP leadership team.
Mrs. Betty Bowers
@BettyBowers
“I support the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman.”— Duncan Hunter, on his “Family Values”
c’mon.
he’s one man married to one woman //
Re: Michael Jackson
I can respect his talent as a performer, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a deeply disturbed, fucked up human being.
re: #576 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
How can you even hope to engage people like that?
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people who draw their conclusions based on faith, who see the world in terms of ‘that which cannot be proved’, can’t (and generally won’t) be reasoned with.
there is no discussion or persuasion or changing of minds.
because the source of their ‘knowledge’ by definition can’t be wrong
What kind of a college is this?😂 pic.twitter.com/3BEPDGdc6F
— Max Howroute▫️ (@howroute) June 24, 2019
re: #486 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Think about how most people will not get wrapped up in the election until next spring/summer, for chrissakes.
Yep, and think about the implications for getting children out of cages, bills passed, impeachment, interfering with Trump’s plans for Iran, and a whole lot more.
I’ll start paying closer attention when the Dem field thins out a bit but there are a few I keep an eye on now (Warren, Buttigieg, Harris and Beto).
re: #576 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
How can you even hope to engage people like that?
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Punch them in the gut and ask them to believe they didn’t get hit.
re: #578 DangerMan
c’mon.
he’s one man married to one woman //
“The commandment says that YOU shall not commit adulty. It doesn’t say anything about me.” - Hunter
re: #576 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
How can you even hope to engage people like that?
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The funny thing about that is the first recorded science experiment (probably not actually the first, but you get the idea) is in the old testament: One of the prophets challenges one of the other religions to prove their god exists vs God by setting up pyres and asking the gods to light them.
re: #585 Belafon
“The commandment says that YOU shall not commit adulty. It doesn’t say anything about me.” - Hunter
then you just go throw yourself at god’s mercy and repent and he will forgive your weaknesses and sinful transgressions.
what is unforgiveable is allowing abortion and gay marriage!!!
2/ News reports have been circulating of facilities having drinking water that tastes like bleach and sick children without enough clothing. https://t.co/Pwj3wq9rYt
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) June 24, 2019
This is a crime against humanity.
re: #588 DodgerFan1988
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This is a crime against humanity.
Where are the fucking bishops?
re: #588 DodgerFan1988
See and this is the most fucked up part.
The only reason ICE/CBP would turn away free help and supplies is because they PURPOSELY WANT THESE KIDS TO BE MISERABLE AND SUFFER.
I get the need for security, but it would be fucking easy enough to scan the supplies, vet them as legit and start distributing.
This is deliberate cruelty.
Has no one told this nitwit that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic and then Greek and Latin before eventually being translated into English?
Or is that too much for him to comprehend?
Or is his racism/bigotry overwhelming his senses?— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 25, 2019
re: #591 lawhawk
Has no one told this nitwit that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic and then Greek and Latin before eventually being translated into English?
Or is that too much for him to comprehend?
Or is his racism/bigotry overwhelming his senses?— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 25, 2019
Let’s just assume the last explanation: it’s the easiest….
re: #591 lawhawk
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Hell, wanna really bake his noodle? Tell him that the King James Bible was printed in English simply because the man whose name is now bears didn’t like the fact that the Bible was only printed in Latin for ages so that the clergy could maintain control over their flocks by telling them what it “said.”
It astounds me how little self proclaimed Christians know about their religion’s history.
What was the statement by HRC regarding Donnie being easily triggered?
re: #411 HappyWarrior
Hi all. Not gonna be on as much in the weekdays since I have a new job with an EPA contractor doing data entry.
What happened to your para-legal work?
re: #597 Colère Tueur de Lapin
What happened to your para-legal work?
Went a new and less stress filled temporary route since I’m doing graduate level classes.
re: #594 HappyWarrior
Jesus didn’t speak English you ignorant toad.
He did when he was talking to his dad!
re: #593 Targetpractice
Hell, wanna really bake his noodle? Tell him that the King James Bible was printed in English simply because the man whose name is now bears didn’t like the fact that the Bible was only printed in Latin for ages so that the clergy could maintain control over their flocks by telling them what it “said.”
Actually there was a. Bible in English commonly accepted and available. The Geneva Bible however was full of anti monarchy footnotes that James I hated. So he ordered a translation sans footnotes. The government then bought lots to put in all the churches, people got used to its more archaic language than the Geneva Bible and soon it was the survivor.
re: #595 HappyWarrior
It astounds me how little self proclaimed Christians know about their religion’s history.
If they knew it, they would have to come to terms with the fact that other civilizations already existed when Adam and Eve formed in Eden.
re: #601 Belafon
If they knew it, they would have to come to terms with the fact that other civilizations already existed when Adam and Eve formed in Eden.
Not all of us need to believe that our myths are literally true. ;)
re: #601 Belafon
If they knew it, they would have to come to terms with the fact that other civilizations already existed when Adam and Eve formed in Eden.
Literalism is just foolish whether we’re talking scripture or government documents.
re: #602 William Lewis
Not all of us need to believe that our myths are literally true. ;)
Yes exactly. They’re stories. I don’t agree with all of them but some of them still have a lesson 2000 years later. Why not go with that instead of some stupid nationalism where your religion’s main guy sounds like a speaker at the RNC.
Meanwhile as i sit here with my ham sandwich, I called my diocese to demand to know why Bishop Jay hasn’t spoken out officially about the concentration camps. I’ll be interested in seeing if it sparks anything.
re: #591 lawhawk
That’s a quote from a Christopher Hitchens book, God Is Not Great. Apocryphal?
I recall during the discussion of public posting of the Ten Commandments, GW Bush spoke out in favor of it. Some journalist, obviously a smart-ass with a few semesters of comparative religious studies under his belt, asked him “Which translation?”, to which Dubya answered “The standard one.”
He left without expounding on the matter, but I expect that to his pea brain, he was referring to the King James Thou-Shalt/Not version.
re: #594 HappyWarrior
Jesus didn’t speak English you ignorant toad.
And he wasn’t a square jawed white guy with long hair and a neatly trimmed goatee.
BREAKING: @FLOTUS Melania Trump says her spokeswoman, @StephGrisham45, will be the next White House press secretary. - @wcbs880
— Steve Scott (@SteveScottNEWS) June 25, 2019
NEW: John Sanders, the acting head of Customs and Border Protection, is resigning. This news comes just hours after CBP disclosed that more than 100 children have been returned to a Texas facility where conditions were described as “unconscionable.”https://t.co/xP94Hwbdoi
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) June 25, 2019
re: #588 DodgerFan1988
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This is a crime against humanity.
we dont accept donations and they are free to leave
this is evil incarnate
re: #609 lawhawk
FLOTUS Melania Trump says her spokeswoman, Steph Grisham, will be the next White House press secretary. -
I assume she tried to hide in the wardrobe but was discovered…
re: #610 lawhawk
Great, so now we’ll get another “Acting” even worse than he is.
This is such a fucking disaster.
re: #608 Eclectic Cyborg
And he wasn’t a square jawed white guy with long hair and a neatly trimmed goatee.
Naw. That’s Ian. Gun Jesus of Forgotten Weapons:D
re: #607 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I recall during the discussion of public posting of the Ten Commandments, GW Bush spoke out in favor of it. Some journalist, obviously a smart-ass with a few semesters of comparative religious studies under his belt, asked him “Which translation?”, to which Dubya answered “The standard one.”
He left without expounding on the matter, but I expect that to his pea brain, he was referring to the King James Thou-Shalt/Not version.
more basic question is “whose list of 10”?
re: #610 lawhawk
I would love to see 50,000 people swarm that place and tear it apart and remove those kids.
re: #607 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
He probably uses the NIV (New International Version) as it is preferred by evangelical types.
re: #605 William Lewis
Meanwhile as i sit here with my ham sandwich, I called my diocese to demand to know why Bishop Jay hasn’t spoken out officially about the concentration camps. I’ll be interested in seeing if it sparks anything.
Went to check on my buddy O’Malley. He made a fairly bland speech a few weeks ago comparing the kids on the border to the Irish children who died from the orphan ships during the Hunger. Needs to update with a bit more kick-ass.
“We pray that immigrants coming today will receive a welcome, a welcome from a people that have made that difficult journey and whose families have suffered, and who are open to being brothers and sisters to those who are arriving from every part of this globe,” a prayer that drew applause from the crowd.
re: #618 William Lewis
He probably uses the NIV (New International Version) as it is preferred by evangelical types.
Is that the one where the ‘translation’ isn’t exact, but more of a ‘this is what is meant’? Basically, an interpretation of a translation so the reader doesn’t have to do any thinking or analysis.
re: #596 Dr. Matt
What was the statement by HRC regarding Donnie being easily triggered?
“A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.” —Hillary
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) July 29, 2016
re: #620 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Is that the one where the ‘translation’ isn’t exact, but more of a ‘this is what is meant’? Basically, an interpretation of a translation so the reader doesn’t have to do any thinking or analysis.
No translation is exact. The NIV attempted, back when it was first created, to at least speak in modern language.
re: #594 HappyWarrior
Jesus didn’t speak English you ignorant toad.
People need to be a little less credulous. That is a quote that was first (mis)attributed to the goveernor of texas in 1924.
re: #622 Belafon
No translation is exact. The NIV attempted, back when it was first created, to at least speak in modern language.
I have a Bible that has multiple translations of the text next to it. You may have one “paragraph” per page with the rest being nothing but translations, with some translations having additional translations of the languages, such as one word in Greek has two different meanings which could apply. I read it that way deliberately.
There is no one Bible with a definitive translation.
Some of us are more educated about our faith trappings than others and some find our faith in works, not books or dogma.
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So we could get a group together and walk in and take them out with us? Is that what this shitstain mental midget is saying.
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