Wednesday Night Acoustic Excellence: Adrian Bellue: “Alternate Pathways”

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258 comments

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plansbandc  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:29:59pm

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:36:52pm

re: #1 plansbandc

That made me seriously giggle.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:45:07pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:47:23pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:48:23pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:49:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:59:50pm

Elizabeth Warren is standing up to Tweety!

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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:22:01pm

Something they all have to learn how to do is how to imply control when they are not in the spotlight. Hillary could do that. But it was something she learned how to do; maybe in diplomacy. Maybe as First Lady. This group, all of them, have to learn how to project being in charge when they are not speaking.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:27:11pm

My wife and I just finished watching the latest episode of “The Republican’s Handmaid’s Tale.”

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:52:09pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:56:59pm

Can we at least vote Delaney off the island?

The one thing I have to say about de Blasio — he certainly would have no problems confronting Trump on Trump’s terms. He towers over Trump, has no problems interrupting others, and he is a New Yorker.

Not surprising that Trump proclaimed this boring — the candidates engaged in speaking facts and real policies and the hostile exchanges involved policy details, not personal insults.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:58:44pm

It was quite refreshing to hear actual sane politicians again.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:14:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:16:29pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

It was quite refreshing to hear actual sane politicians again.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:20:46pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

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You will have to have McConnell’s head first in order for Republicans to get to where they can be worked with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:23:33pm

Meghan McCain getting dragged on Twitter over her take on the debate tonight. She complained no Democrat (in a primary debate) talked about reaching across the aisle to Republicans.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:25:10pm

Aaaand that’s why “working across the aisle” is such a disingenuous statement:

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:25:32pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

Meghan McCain getting dragged on Twitter over her take on the debate tonight. She complained no Democrat (in a primary debate) talked about reaching across the aisle to Republicans.

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That can’t be an authentic post from her. Nowhere in it does she mention her daddy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:35:09pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:40:12pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

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The real religion of America is sports.

After all, Rome must have its’ gladiators!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:41:42pm

US Regulator Cites New Flaw on Grounded Boeing 737MAX (Reuters)

Remember though, the GOP has wanted to weaken the FAA for decades, and the Libertarians want to eliminate it.

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has identified a new risk that Boeing Co must address on its 737 MAX before the grounded jet can return to service, the agency said on Wednesday.

The risk was discovered during a simulator test last week and it is not yet clear if the issue can be addressed with a software upgrade or will require a more complex hardware fix, sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

The FAA did not elaborate on the latest setback for Boeing, which has been working to get its best-selling airplane back in the air following a worldwide grounding in March in the wake of two deadly crashes within five months.

The new issue means Boeing will not conduct a certification test flight until July 8 in a best-case scenario, the sources said, but one source cautioned it could face further delays beyond that. The FAA will spend at least two to three weeks reviewing the results before deciding whether to return the plane to service, the people said.

(more)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:42:11pm

re: #13 Belafon

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Did Josh kiss Hucky Boo Boo’s ass during her going away party just like every other member of the DC Press Corpse did?

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:42:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:21:03pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

(0:36)

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Dread Pirate  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:25:03pm

Such science, much accurate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:26:33pm

We put in our new air conditioner late this afternoon.

It lasted one minute before it died.

It is a real pain to get stuff here (they shipped it by FedEx so it took weeks). Getting it back to the seller will take even longer (my wife is trying to get the seller to pay for the pick up from our house).

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:31:25pm

From Saturday night. Dedicated to Jeff Austin, who just died, too young.

Umphrey’s McGee: “With A Little Help From My Friends” 6/22/19

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:35:17pm

Asylum Officers Slam Trump’s Border Policies As Contrary To America’s ‘Moral Fabric’ (Goes to Huffington Post)

A coalition of American asylum officers urged a federal court to block the Trump administration from returning some migrants seeking refuge in the U.S. to Mexico, saying the policy was “contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation.”

The American Federation of Government Employees Local 1924 — a union that represents thousands of government employees, including asylum officers — directly targeted the White House’s “remain in Mexico” policy in a brief it filed with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The provision, which the Trump administration enacted in January, has forced thousands of people seeking asylum to wait on the Mexican side of the border while their applications for refuge are processed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:51:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:53:37pm

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

In that article, it’s noted by several police officials that “the only victim in this was the ‘unborn child’ .”

Not the woman who was shot.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2019 • 12:03:19am

Woah - yesterday, I posted about how The_Donald subreddit got quarantined on Reddit, for inciting violence and other offensive behavior that (quite honestly) violate Reddit’s ToS.

This story actually made national news, in the Washington Post.

The biggest forum for supporters of President Trump on Reddit has been “quarantined” following months of incitements to violence and other offensive behavior, the tech giant said Wednesday, in a move that could further inflame conservatives’ claims of social-media bias.

The forum, called “r/The_Donald,” has long served as a highly trafficked and controversial gathering place for supporters of Trump and Republicans on Reddit, America’s fifth-most popular website.

Created in 2015, “The_Donald” counts roughly 750,000 followers and advertises itself as “a never-ending rally dedicated to the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.”

Reddit officials said on Wednesday that the board had allowed or encouraged months of “rule-breaking behavior,” including the “encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon.”

washingtonpost.com

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2019 • 12:03:35am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

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re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

In that article, it’s noted by several police officials that “the only victim in this was the ‘unborn child’ .”

Not the woman who was shot.

The Rise of the Evangelic State*

*: Note word play

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 12:10:11am

How did I miss this when it was posted a few weeks ago?

An Evening with Stephen Colbert at PaleyFest LA

The Paley Center for Media
Published on Jun 5, 2019

Stephen Colbert held court to a sold-out audience at PaleyFest LA on March 16, 2019, at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood. In conversation with Pete Holmes he discussed such topics as how he differentiates The Late Show from The Colbert Report and the way he interviews politicians compared to other guests, as well as sharing his biggest comedic influences. PaleyFest is produced by The Paley Center for Media, learn more about Paley at paleycenter.org

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 12:55:33am
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:11:21am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:13:08am

(video, 0:52)

Google Maps sends Denver drivers on a detour from the airport down a dirt road, causing many to be stuck in mud.

bbc.com

“A crash on the main road to Denver’s airport led to hour-long delays this week. When Google Maps offered a quick detour, nearly a hundred drivers were led into trouble.”

Something, something, you’re driving, not your smartphone. (Fortunately I don’t have one of those hellboxes and I can read a paper map just fine.)

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:14:00am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:21:22am

bbc.com

Trump is demanding India remove tariffs it put on certain US goods after Trump withdrew preferential trade treatment for India.

One day after both sides were playing this down, and Trump was scheduled to meet with PM Modi on the sidelines, Trump attacked India’s retaliatory tariffs as “unacceptable.”

He also accused many of the leaders’ countries of “taking advantage of the USA, but not anymore.”

Yes, his petulance at India first appeared on Twitter. It contradicted a joint statement from India’s Minister of External Affairs and Sec’y of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:37:21am

re: #25 Dread Pirate

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Such science, much accurate.

There are more people who want to see Tulsi as the Democratic candidate than want to see her as President.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:38:45am

LOL

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:41:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:48:08am

Tried to get some better flower photos, but thistle have to do for today:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:50:46am

Off to bed. Long day tomorrow. Need to study for my pregnancy test /s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 2:19:04am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

Off to bed. Long day tomorrow. Need to study for my pregnancy test /s.

it’s multiple choice, so the odds of passing are 50/50 regardless

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 2:46:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:30:58am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

bbc.com

Trump is demanding India remove tariffs it put on certain US goods after Trump withdrew preferential trade treatment for India.

One day after both sides were playing this down, and Trump was scheduled to meet with PM Modi on the sidelines, Trump attacked India’s retaliatory tariffs as “unacceptable.”

He also accused many of the leaders’ countries of “taking advantage of the USA, but not anymore.”

Yes, his petulance at India first appeared on Twitter. It contradicted a joint statement from India’s Minister of External Affairs and Sec’y of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday.

The Tariff toddler wants tariffs for us but then throws a fit when other countries respond in kind. There doesn’t seem to be a country he hasn’t gone out of his way to piss off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:42:47am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The Tariff toddler wants tariffs for us but then throws a fit when other countries respond in kind. There doesn’t seem to be a country he hasn’t gone out of his way to piss off.

Yes, his petulance at India first appeared on Twitter. It contradicted a joint statement from India’s Minister of External Affairs and Sec’y of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday.

And this is why the competent people refuse to work for him…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:52:45am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, his petulance at India first appeared on Twitter. It contradicted a joint statement from India’s Minister of External Affairs and Sec’y of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday.

And this is why the competent people refuse to work for him…

Absolutely.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:54:36am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The Tariff toddler wants tariffs for us but then throws a fit when other countries respond in kind. There doesn’t seem to be a country he hasn’t gone out of his way to piss off.

Indeed. Now he’s gonna piss off Vietnam.

businessinsider.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:56:46am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. Now he’s gonna piss off Vietnam.

businessinsider.com

It is going to be such a great day when he’s gone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:58:42am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

It is going to be such a great day when he’s gone.

yes, but basically it will take us decades to clean up the mess he leaves…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2019 • 3:59:33am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

It is going to be such a great day when he’s gone.

I don’t know who the next POTUS is gonna be, but he or she is gonna spend the first year of their Presidency on the road, travelling around the world, doing a bona fide “apology tour”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 4:00:38am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know who the next POTUS is gonna be, but he or she is gonna spend the first year of their Presidency on the road, travelling around the world, doing a bona fide “apology tour”.

I’ll join them lol.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 4:01:22am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, but basically it will take us decades to clean up the mess he leaves…

We were still cleaning Bush’s fuck ups when Obama left. It all sucks so much.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:09:44am

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

Biloxi Blues

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:12:13am

I am re-reading the book One Train Later by Andy Summers. I really enjoy finding all the music he grew up on and formed his unique style on the internet. I am currently watching Black Orpheus, which Andy remembers fondly in the book.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:17:49am

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

In that article, it’s noted by several police officials that “the only victim in this was the ‘unborn child’ .”

Not the woman who was shot.

Under his eye.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:20:38am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The Tariff toddler wants tariffs for us but then throws a fit when other countries respond in kind. There doesn’t seem to be a country he hasn’t gone out of his way to piss off.

Russia.

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jeffreyw  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:29:35am

Night crew

Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:34:57am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:38:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:40:53am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:46:30am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love living in a country where Costco is trending on Twitter, not because of a disaster or scandal, but because one just opened in Newfoundland and they’re really happy about it.

I can imagine that anything at all happening in Newfoundland is cause of jubilation…

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:47:35am

remember the escaped lion drill at the zoo?
here’s the escaped polar bear drill:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:49:56am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

remember the escaped lion drill at the zoo?
here’s the escaped polar bear drill:

I can’t wait to see the escaped anteater drill!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:55:46am

re: #11 Hecuba’s daughter

Can we at least vote Delaney off the island?

The one thing I have to say about de Blasio — he certainly would have no problems confronting Trump on Trump’s terms. He towers over Trump, has no problems interrupting others, and he is a New Yorker.

Not surprising that Trump proclaimed this boring — the candidates engaged in speaking facts and real policies and the hostile exchanges involved policy details, not personal insults.

De Blasio is a charisma free hack who is uninterested in being mayor, perhaps indifferent.

He might physically look imposing, but he doesn’t have any policies that others don’t already spell out - like Warren.

He’s got too many people in his lane - like all of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:59:41am
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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:00:52am

The hits on this will keep coming
What’s different from similar types of pix in the past is we already know who these people are so they are instantly humanized (as if “they are human beings!” actually needs to be said)

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:01:04am

All the concessions must be made by Democrats/progressives all the time, and conservatives will never make concessions, because reasons.

This isn’t how politics is supposed to work, but this is how things are working in the real world. Democrats better realize that there’s no negotiation with a bunch of extremists who are hell bent on destroying the rule of law as it applies to them, but wants to impose harsh and draconian policies towards everyone else, especially women and minorities.

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:02:02am

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:04:07am

Oscar Alberto Martinez
Angie Valeria

Fuck this administration all to hell

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:11:33am

re: #69 lawhawk

This is a fascinating point that I notice among conservatives — that Democratic candidates should attempt to reach Republicans or conservatives, but there’s no real call, that I’ve seen, for conservatives to do the same.

Remember Mitch and his goal of making Obama a one-term president? Remember Merrick Garland? Now shut the f*ck up, Meghan.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:14:54am

We’re still at war with al Qaeda and Taliban and continuing to fight terrorism as the GWOT continues to drag on.

Wohl isn’t itching to fight. He’s trying to remain relevant by claiming he’ll sign up if we go to war against Iran.

Sign up now. That way you’re ready to go when Trump does blunder his way into a war.

Or else it’s all for a show.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:16:09am

The take of other people, as colleged by Anne:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:18:01am

re: #73 lawhawk

Jacob Wohl Says He’ll Enlist if Trump Attacks Iran .

I take this as a sign that he either has inside information that we are not attacking Iran or that he has been secretly diagnosed with bone spurs

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:18:55am

re: #74 Belafon

I’m betting that Tulsi will claim that she belongs at the big kids table on basis of Drudge poll.

Yeah, we can already see that lining up.

The four who broke through last night:

Castro
Warren
Klobuchar
Booker

Everyone else didn’t make an impression or looked bad, particularly Beto and Delaney.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:19:13am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

remember the escaped lion drill at the zoo?
here’s the escaped polar bear drill:

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Ha! I knew it was Ueno before I hit “play”. That poor polar bear (the video is a hoot, though).

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:19:26am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I take this as a sign that he either has inside information that we are not attacking Iran or that he has been secretly diagnosed with bone spurs

He’s been assigned to the 101st Chairborne

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:20:59am
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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:27:03am

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

(video, 0:52)

Google Maps sends Denver drivers on a detour from the airport down a dirt road, causing many to be stuck in mud.

bbc.com

“A crash on the main road to Denver’s airport led to hour-long delays this week. When Google Maps offered a quick detour, nearly a hundred drivers were led into trouble.”

Something, something, you’re driving, not your smartphone. (Fortunately I don’t have one of those hellboxes and I can read a paper map just fine.)

Happened to us once in an Uber

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:29:14am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know who the next POTUS is gonna be, but he or she is gonna spend the first year of their Presidency on the road, travelling around the world, doing a bona fide “apology tour”.

I’ll drive

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:30:10am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:31:40am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

you may all think I am deranged, but the polar bear taking out the zoo employees and visitors made was hysterical.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:32:45am

re: #80 DangerMan

Long ago, I had a garmin gps and we were trying to get to one of the national parks in AZ. It took us off the interstate, down some main roads, and then on to a dirt road. We weren’t in a car that could do that (it was a rental), so we backed out and returned to the interstate and followed the brown signs to the park.

Then we saw where that dirt road came out - right at the park entrance. With the right vehicle, it might have been ok, but wasn’t going to chance it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:33:13am

re: #69 lawhawk

All the concessions must be made by Democrats/progressives all the time, and conservatives will never make concessions, because reasons.

This is a brilliant encapsulation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:46:34am

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:00:04am

Two cases remain on the docket to be released - one dealing with the census question, and the other redistricting.

Both will have significant impact on 2020 election. The worst case scenario is that the right wingers on the bench go all in and give the GOP the right to suppress census counts and to gerrymander districts in a way that keeps them controlling legislatures around the nation and getting far more say in Congress than they would had the districts been drawn in a nonpartisan manner.

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:00:10am

Interesting* comparison of how the New York Times reported on last night’s Democratic debate:

On their website: the home-page lede for the (same) article reads:

In First Debate, Democrats Clash on Economy and Immigration

while the heading on the linked piece is slightly different:

Democrats Diverge on Economy and Immigration in First Debate

However, the front-page headline in the print edition reads:

Democrats Split on How Far Left to Nudge Nation

This election is going to be an uphill climb, no mistake.

* Well, not so much “interesting” as “infuriating”, actually.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:01:22am

re: #88 Jay C

Interesting* comparison of how the New York Times reported on last night’s Democratic debate:

On their website: the home-page lede for the (same) article reads:

In First Debate, Democrats Clash on Economy and Immigration

while the heading on the linked piece is slightly different:

Democrats Diverge on Economy and Immigration in First Debate

However, the front-page headline in the print edition reads:

Democrats Split on How Far Left to Nudge Nation

This election is going to be an uphill climb, no mistake.

* Well, not so much “interesting” as “infuriating”, actually.

Both themes at once: “Democrats in Disarray” meets “Democrats Veer Far Left”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:01:32am

Nope:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:02:53am

Florida Man Dreams

of walking again some day

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:10:06am

re: #84 lawhawk

Long ago, I had a garmin gps and we were trying to get to one of the national parks in AZ. It took us off the interstate, down some main roads, and then on to a dirt road. We weren’t in a car that could do that (it was a rental), so we backed out and returned to the interstate and followed the brown signs to the park.

Then we saw where that dirt road came out - right at the park entrance. With the right vehicle, it might have been ok, but wasn’t going to chance it.

When we were on the I-80 the other day coming up to Cleveland I punched in the address of the restaurant we wanted to go & SYNC took us off the highway to some secondary Ohio state road, took us about an hour out of the way until we got on the 271. As soon as we parked I checked the nav settings and realized that I never unchecked the box that said “Avoid Toll Roads”

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:11:58am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

When we were on the I-80 the other day coming up to Cleveland I punched in the address of the restaurant we wanted to go & SYNC took us off the highway to some secondary Ohio state road, took us about an hour out of the way until we got on the 271. As soon as we parked I checked the nav settings and realized that I never unchecked the box that said “Avoid Toll Roads”

I did that here in the DFW area. Instead of taking GWB, it had us going through neighborhoods and other things.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:14:04am

this is utter shit

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:15:38am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

this is utter shit

I still want to know what they had on Kennedy to get him to retire. I think he would have ruled against this.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:18:43am

re: #93 Belafon

I did that here in the DFW area. Instead of taking GWB, it had us going through neighborhoods and other things.

Things to remember in Pittsburgh:

There are cliffs in PGH.
PGH has a habit of keeping the same street name at the top and bottom of cliffs.
Garmin/Waze/Apple doesn’t care.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:20:16am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

this is utter shit

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If the Democrats win control of the Senate, they must add new seats to the Court.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:21:22am

I have to make some challah now.

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:21:31am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

this is utter shit

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So Gerrymandering is good and kosher, and we’ve essentially forever lost those states for good.

Fun. Fantastic. I fucking love banana republics and total state-level coups.

We’re utterly broken as a country and the court just told us the that the gasoline they’re throwing on the fire is actually the purest of water.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:25:14am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

They claim that it’s a political question, which is total bulkshit.

They give the GOP the ability to continue gerrymandering districts to the point where a minority among voters gets to control legislatures and Congress.

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:27:24am

re: #100 lawhawk

They claim that it’s a political question, which is total bulkshit.

They give the GOP the ability to continue gerrymandering districts to the point where a minority among voters gets to control legislatures and Congress.

And thus we fucking lose those states for a full eternity and there’s nothing we can do about it because the courts just told us ‘Racism doesn’t exist and you don’t really have a right to a vote anyway, so fuck you’.

Mitch McConnell won. He successfully broke this country.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:29:08am

re: #101 Citizen K

And thus we fucking lose those states for a full eternity and there’s nothing we can do about it because the courts just told us ‘Racism doesn’t exist and you don’t really have a right to a vote anyway, so fuck you’.

Mitch McConnell won. He successfully broke this country.

We get one more shot. If we sit on our collective thumb in 2020, you don’t want to see 2028.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:29:39am

re: #101 Citizen K

And thus we fucking lose those states for a full eternity and there’s nothing we can do about it because the courts just told us ‘Racism doesn’t exist and you don’t really have a right to a vote anyway, so fuck you’.

Mitch McConnell won. He successfully broke this country.

We’ve got a shot to correct this next year. Its a long shot, but there is still a chance.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:30:24am

re: #103 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We’ve got a shot to correct this next year. Its a long shot, but there is still a chance.

31 seconds. Type faster, Grasshopper.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:33:50am

re: #101 Citizen K

And thus we fucking lose those states for a full eternity and there’s nothing we can do about it because the courts just told us ‘Racism doesn’t exist and you don’t really have a right to a vote anyway, so fuck you’.

Mitch McConnell won. He successfully broke this country.

This is what I expected those five corrupted whores on the Court to do. Next they will uphold the citizenship question…

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:34:13am

re: #100 lawhawk

They claim that it’s a political question, which is total bulkshit.

They give the GOP the ability to continue gerrymandering districts to the point where a minority among voters gets to control legislatures and Congress.

When Democrats pass a law outlawing gerrymandering, they’ll suddenly decide it’s not a political question.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:41:26am

re: #105 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is what I expected those five corrupted whores on the Court to do. Next they will uphold the citizenship question…

These decisions were locked down on election day 2016. No sense getting shocky now.

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:42:11am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

These decisions were locked down on election day 2016. No sense getting shocky now.

Thankfully, it seems Roberts tried to split the baby, so that’s a small consolation:

EDIT: That said, it seems to be kicked down to the lower courts for ‘another look’ and much of it hinges on the timetable of being able to add it to the official forms, so it’s not out of the woods yet. We may get fucked yet still.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:45:05am
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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:47:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:48:22am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Drudge polls being gamed by Russian bots to pump their preferred candidate. This seems…familiar.

as i mentioned, there are lot more people who want to see Tulsi as the nominee than actually want to see her as president

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:44am

re: #105 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is what I expected those five corrupted whores on the Court to do. Next they will uphold the citizenship question…

They didn’t!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:46am
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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:52:02am

re: #108 Citizen K

Thankfully, it seems Roberts tried to split the baby, so that’s a small consolation:

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EDIT: That said, it seems to be kicked down to the lower courts for ‘another look’ and much of it hinges on the timetable of being able to add it to the official forms, so it’s not out of the woods yet. We may get fucked yet still.

To add on:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:52:28am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:52:50am

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He looks good in that blue jumper.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:03am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

this is utter shit

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Thanks, Jill Stein voters!

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:22am

re: #110 Citizen K

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Yes sigh.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:51am

re: #108 Citizen K

Thankfully, it seems Roberts tried to split the baby, so that’s a small consolation:

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EDIT: That said, it seems to be kicked down to the lower courts for ‘another look’ and much of it hinges on the timetable of being able to add it to the official forms, so it’s not out of the woods yet. We may get fucked yet still.

Not likely, with all the new evidence showing the question was racist by design. This is a big win, just as the gerrymander case was a big loss.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:54:05am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

31 seconds. Type faster, Grasshopper.

Not always easy when your hands are shaking with rage.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:54:23am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks, Jill Stein voters!

*spit*

Yeah seriously. I don’t want to hear anyone who claims to value nonpartisan districting say HRC wasn’t good enough.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:56:12am

Now’s the part where we hope and pray RBG can hang on until we have another Democratic President.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:56:48am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:58:30am

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

Not always easy when your hands are shaking with rage.

A couple more years of this, and only rage will save us. That’s not the kind of thing you clean up with lawyers—we’ll need streetsweepers and fire trucks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:59:21am

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Now’s the part where we hope and pray RBG can hang on until we have another Democratic President.

Yeah. Trump getting a third Scotus pick. Scary thought. Breyer isn’t a spring chicken either even if he hasn’t had RBG’s health issues. I’ll always loathe McConnell for what he did. It was one of the most craven moves made in Senate history. And hope I, McConnell, Gorsuch, & Garland live to see the karma for it.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:59:30am

Arrived at hotel around 10:00 (11:00 by my personal calendar). Only saw a bit of the “debates” — I haz a sad. //)

Heading for Denali in about an hour. If there’s wifi and time at the next stop, I may have something to say.

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:26am

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Now’s the part where we hope and pray RBG can hang on until we have another Democratic President.

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Trump getting a third Scotus pick. Scary thought. Breyer isn’t a spring chicken either even if he hasn’t had RBG’s health issues. I’ll always loathe McConnell for what he did. It was one of the most craven moves made in Senate history. And hope I, McConnell, Gorsuch, & Garland live to see the karma for it.

RBG and Breyer hanging on isn’t going to be anywhere near enough though. Even with replacement value for them from a Dem president, we still end up with a conservative court that will vote 5-4 for the GOP on most things that matter. Them lasting long enough to be replaced by a Dem is just staunching the already gaping wound.

EDIT: Not to mention dependent on having a Senate that will vote any replacement in, which will not happen long as McConnell maintains his throne of forever.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:52am

I will always ding O’Connor for her ruling that gerrymandering is OK.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:02:21am

re: #127 Citizen K

RBG and Breyer hanging on isn’t going to be anywhere near enough though. Even with replacement value for them from a Dem president, we still end up with a conservative court that will vote 5-4 for the GOP on most things that matter. Them lasting long enough to be replaced by a Dem is just staunching the already gaping wound.

I know but it could be even worse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:03:01am

re: #128 Belafon

I will always ding O’Connor for her ruling that gerrymandering is OK.

Ditto. She had some decisions I liked but others where her Republican biases came out.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:04:18am

re: #127 Citizen K

RBG and Breyer hanging on isn’t going to be anywhere near enough though. Even with replacement value for them from a Dem president, we still end up with a conservative court that will vote 5-4 for the GOP on most things that matter. Them lasting long enough to be replaced by a Dem is just staunching the already gaping wound.

Expect strategic retirements by Thomas and such, to allow fresh conservative yutes on the court.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:05:29am

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fox host Jesse Watters: “A lot of people wish President Trump was a dictator, maybe we could repeal Obamacare” — Media Matters (@mmfa) July 28, 2017

It’s not hyperbole to call them cultists.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:05:41am
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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:06:54am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

this is utter shit

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If it’s beyond the reach of Federal Courts… does that mean State court decisions on such questions are no longer appealable?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:07:05am

I really hate that the Senate rules allow someone like Mcconnell to pretty much grind the whole damned thing to a halt indefinitely. That’s practically abdication of sworn duty.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:07:20am

re: #73 lawhawk

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We’re still at war with al Qaeda and Taliban and continuing to fight terrorism as the GWOT continues to drag on.

Wohl isn’t itching to fight. He’s trying to remain relevant by claiming he’ll sign up if we go to war against Iran.

Sign up now. That way you’re ready to go when Trump does blunder his way into a war.

Or else it’s all for a show.

I give it 3 weeks before he’s fragged (or whatever it is called for the peon he is).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:08:00am

These Fox viewers wishing Trump was a dictator…these are the same guys who kept shitting bricks when they thought Obama was acting like a dictator…right?

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:09:31am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

These decisions were locked down on election day 2016. No sense getting shocky now.

um… I think they were locked down in Bush v Gore.

I’ve previously weighed in on why I wouldn’t use my time machine to kill baby Hitler, but I’m thinking I really would use it to kill baby Mitch McConnell and baby Susan Sarandon.

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:10:23am

Kagan not mincing words:

She all but says that the court made addressing this problem all but impossible because the power dynamics won’t allow it, that the very avenues of politics to address the problem are closed off because of the self-perpetuating nature of power, that locked in power will continue to ensure its own power ad infinitum if allowed unchecked.

re: #134 sagehen

If it’s beyond the reach of Federal Courts… does that mean State court decisions on such questions are no longer appealable?

This is exactly my concern, that because the Supremes said ‘no’, that they now have precedent to void any State Supreme rulings trying to block outright gerrymanders via the supremacy clause.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:11:26am

re: #138 sagehen

um… I think they were locked down in Bush v Gore.

I’ve previously weighed in on why I wouldn’t use my time machine to kill baby Hitler, but I’m thinking I really would use it to kill baby Mitch McConnell and baby Susan Sarandon.

We had the ball for a shining moment after Bush v Gore. Couldn’t get our shit together.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:19:36am

The ONLY solution to gerrymandering is voter turnout.

That is all.

Fuck SCOTUS.

Fuck McConnell.

Fuck Kavanaugh.

Fuck Trump.

We get voters to the polls next year, we still win.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:21:04am

re: #141 i(m)p(each)sos

The ONLY solution to gerrymandering is voter turnout.

That is all.

Fuck SCOTUS.

Fuck McConnell.

Fuck Kavanaugh.

Fuck Trump.

We get voters to the polls next year, we still win.

It’ll take a lot. Both Michigan and North Carolina had more Democrats than Republicans vote, and the GOP still have supermajorities.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:21:37am

WTFITS

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:23:30am

re: #142 Belafon

It’ll take a lot. Both Michigan and North Carolina had more Democrats than Republicans vote, and the GOP still have supermajorities.

In both states, like, Dems would need to run up the total vote score by a margin of 15%+ just to eke out a bare majority of seats, if I remember right. That’s a fucking humongous order in states with self-perpetuating GOP power.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:24:01am

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Asshole thinks he’s a WWE wrestler or something. SMDH.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:24:30am

re: #141 i(m)p(each)sos

The ONLY solution to gerrymandering is voter turnout.

We get voters to the polls next year, we still win.

Not the solution, but a means to mitigate it.

We need to vote the fucking GOP out of state offices and rework the districs

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:25:10am

re: #141 i(m)p(each)sos

The ONLY solution to gerrymandering is voter turnout.

That is all.

Fuck SCOTUS.

Fuck McConnell.

Fuck Kavanaugh.

Fuck Trump.

We get voters to the polls next year, we still win.

At least the Senate isn’t subject to gerrymandering. And many of the problems have arisen because of voter disenfranchisement or suppression. We just have to make sure that people are able to vote.

What’s going on with the Florida effort to overturn the results of the referendum that restores voting rights?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:25:29am
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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:27:27am

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Again, not even bothering with the mask anymore, they know they can get away with this shit now and are all for saying so publicly and proud now.

I look forward to our new Jim Crow 2.0 future.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:32:26am

Religious Freedom has never been more free!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:32:41am

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Make America Hate Again

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:34:08am

re: #138 sagehen

um… I think they were locked down in Bush v Gore.

I’ve previously weighed in on why I wouldn’t use my time machine to kill baby Hitler, but I’m thinking I really would use it to kill baby Mitch McConnell and baby Susan Sarandon.

you dont have to kill mcconnell

just move his parents to say california before he’s born

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:08am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

Asshole thinks he’s a WWE wrestler or something. SMDH.

Reliving his glory days

Donald Trump Beats Up Vince McMahon

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:37am

re: #97 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If the Democrats win control of the Senate, they must add new seats to the Court.

Yep. Four more seats. And the Democratic POTUS/Senate must fill those seats pronto.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:44am

re: #141 i(m)p(each)sos

The ONLY solution to gerrymandering is voter turnout.

That is all.

Fuck SCOTUS.

Fuck McConnell.

Fuck Kavanaugh.

Fuck Trump.

We get voters to the polls next year, we still win.

And a big FUCK YOU to Jill Stein, Jimmy Dore and Susan Sarandon

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:43:16am

re: #155 Joe Bacon 🌹

And a big FUCK YOU to Jill Stein, Jimmy Dore and Susan Sarandon

Jill Stein was not the problem — voters who were persuaded that HRC was a demon had other candidates they would have supported. Bernie, Russia, and GOP voting tricks had far more impact on the outcome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:44:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:49:13am

re: #156 Hecuba’s daughter

Jill Stein was not the problem — voters who were persuaded that HRC was a demon had other candidates they would have supported. Bernie, Russia, and GOP voting tricks had far more impact on the outcome.

Their ilk were the problem in 2000 letting Dumbya get in to start a war that killed my son.

And they decided to repeat that in 2016.

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steve_davis  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:52:53am

re: #59 jeffreyw

Night crew

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Good morning!

the only surprising thing about that picture is that there isn’t a cat in a little green shade cap dealing out of a pack that’s just had the seal broken.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:58:29am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

A couple more years of this, and only rage will save us. That’s not the kind of thing you clean up with lawyers—we’ll need streetsweepers and fire trucks.

This sword in one hand, revolver in the other, shot glass of whiskey on top of my bible & prayer book - now let’s negotiate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:02:33am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:03:46am

re: #160 William Lewis

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This sword in one hand, revolver in the other, shot glass of whiskey on top of my bible & prayer book - now let’s negotiate.

Very romantic, but the age of romantic revolution (in the first world) is over. No matter how kitted out, you and I have a life expectancy of 4-8 minutes in the street.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:05:54am

So given this Supreme Court ruling, does that mean that Democratic state legislatures are free to gerrymander districts too if they want?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:07:52am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

So given this Supreme Court ruling, does that mean that Democratic state legislatures are free to gerrymander districts too if they want?

You know the rules about being Republican…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:08:39am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:09:26am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Very romantic, but the age of romantic revolution (in the first world) is over. No matter how kitted out, you and I have a life expectancy of 4-8 minutes in the street.

In a fight? Of course. But the propaganda value is still there.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:11:02am

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

So given this Supreme Court ruling, does that mean that Democratic state legislatures are free to gerrymander districts too if they want?

One of the cases today was brought by a Republican against a Maryland gerrymander, so yes.

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steve_davis  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:11:38am

re: #87 lawhawk

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Two cases remain on the docket to be released - one dealing with the census question, and the other redistricting.

Both will have significant impact on 2020 election. The worst case scenario is that the right wingers on the bench go all in and give the GOP the right to suppress census counts and to gerrymander districts in a way that keeps them controlling legislatures around the nation and getting far more say in Congress than they would had the districts been drawn in a nonpartisan manner.

so wait, currently mind-fucked as I ponder the decision that if you are unconcious, you’ve given your consent to have blood drawn. Curious what logistical pretzel it took to shape a decision in that direction. Oh, and if you are being denied your actual right to an unrigged vote, the supreme court thinks that’s a “political question” that has no place in the federal court system, unlike, for instance, Bush v. Gore, which wasn’t a political question at all.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:13:59am

At least the census probably isn’t going to be rigged.

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steve_davis  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:14:34am

re: #99 Citizen K

So Gerrymandering is good and kosher, and we’ve essentially forever lost those states for good.

Fun. Fantastic. I fucking love banana republics and total state-level coups.

We’re utterly broken as a country and the court just told us the that the gasoline they’re throwing on the fire is actually the purest of water.

oh no, it isn’t good and kosher. It is just something the supreme court is powerless to do anything about. Until Democrats do it, in which case the originalists will become legal realists so fast they’ll have to be careful not to catch their dicks in the zippers during the costume change.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:15:06am

re: #169 NO SMOCKING GUN!

At least the census probably isn’t going to be rigged.

Never underestimate how dirty Republicans will play.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:20:32am

Yes, she is this year’s Jill Stein!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:24:53am

A little summertime tune:

The Regrettes - I Dare You [Official Music Video]

Not bad.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:31:06am

re: #169 NO SMOCKING GUN!

At least the census probably isn’t going to be rigged.

I’m not at all certain of that.

If each State gets the same number of census workers, sparsely populated states can visit/enumerate every single house and densely populated states can visit/enumerate a small percentage.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:31:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:36:52am

re: #175 Dave In Austin

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Shut up Matt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:37:21am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, she is this year’s Jill Stein!

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God you’re awful Tulsi. He didn’t conclude that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:37:58am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s been the goal of the Roberts court from day one.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:38:47am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, she is this year’s Jill Stein!

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I think Russia is trading in Bernie on a newer model.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:39:44am

re: #69 lawhawk

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All the concessions must be made by Democrats/progressives all the time, and conservatives will never make concessions, because reasons.

This isn’t how politics is supposed to work, but this is how things are working in the real world. Democrats better realize that there’s no negotiation with a bunch of extremists who are hell bent on destroying the rule of law as it applies to them, but wants to impose harsh and draconian policies towards everyone else, especially women and minorities.

One of Limbaugh’s most insidious arguments, back in the early aughts, was that “compromise” in DC speak meant “Democrats get everything they want and Republicans agree to it.” That sentiment spread throughout the wingularity over the next decade or so, to the point where the “obvious” reaction was “no, compromise now means we get what we want, you’ve had your turn.”

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:40:15am
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BigPapa  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:40:31am

Tulsi is RonPaul! 2.0
Except this time with state actors priming the motivated idiots

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:40:41am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, she is this year’s Jill Stein!

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At least she’s running in the Democratic primary rather than seeking a third party nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:42:08am

re: #183 KGxvi

At least she’s running in the Democratic primary rather than seeking a third party nomination.

Yeah people will early on see her for what she is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:44:09am

re: #180 KGxvi

One of Limbaugh’s most insidious arguments, back in the early aughts, was that “compromise” in DC speak meant “Democrats get everything they want and Republicans agree to it.” That sentiment spread throughout the wingularity over the next decade or so, to the point where the “obvious” reaction was “no, compromise now means we get what we want, you’ve had your turn.”

I also recall him in the 90’s telling us that a budget surplus was de facto immoral because it meant that the government was taking more tax money from us than it needed to operate.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:44:18am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

For now……

I see her and Bernie as the only ones that may try to bust the election to trump if they don’t get there way.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:44:41am

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So, what he’s saying is that the GOP are a bunch of racist assholes? Because that’s what the data shows. GOP consistently for more discrimination and bias.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:44:50am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, she is this year’s Jill Stein!

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The verdict is in: Gabbard is a Russian tool. Speaking of which, I have left the “liberal” gun group on Facebook because they are increasingly obsessed with preparing to fight the US military. Their source is Robert Evans and his podcast “It could happen here.” This in turn is based entirely on a recycled Cold War Soviet version of the US military, its history and practices. This same asshole is also very popular among right wing gun freaks. Go figure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:46:09am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also recall him in the 90’s telling us that a budget surplus was de facto immoral because it meant that the government was taking more tax money from us than it needed to operate.

Yeah it’s almost like Rushbo is an uneducated hack.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:47:55am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s almost like Rushbo is an uneducated hack.

he is quite educated in his hackery

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:48:00am

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The verdict is in: Gabbard is a Russian tool. Speaking of which, I have left the “liberal” gun group on Facebook because they are increasingly obsessed with preparing to fight the US military. Their source is Robert Evans and his podcast “It could happen here.” This in turn is based entirely on a recycled Cold War Soviet version of the US military, its history and practices. This same asshole is also very popular among right wing gun freaks. Go figure.

There’s some weird symmetry. See the far left and far right bashing the IC’s findings on Russian meddling. Given that both are manipulated by Russian propaganda the most, I guess that’s not a surprise.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:49:03am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he is quite educated in his hackery

You give him too much credit. Rush is just anti Democratic. He’s a moron talking to other slightly less educated morons.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:49:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:50:15am

re: #193 lawhawk

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Only if it hurts conservatism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:50:23am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

There’s some weird symmetry. See the far left and far right bashing the IC’s findings on Russian meddling. Given that both are manipulated by Russian propaganda the most, I guess that’s not a surprise.

do not look on the political spectrum as a line, but as a circle: when you start getting very far right, views start to overlap with the left on a lot of issues.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:50:29am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also recall him in the 90’s telling us that a budget surplus was de facto immoral because it meant that the government was taking more tax money from us than it needed to operate.

It’s holy writ to these cretins that nothing the government does is actually beneficial, unless it involves shoveling money to contractors or block grants to corrupt yokel administrations.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:50:49am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

do not look on the political spectrum as a line, but as a circle: when you start getting very far right, views start to overlap with the left on a lot of issues.

I’m aware.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:51:20am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

You give him too much credit. Rush is just anti Democratic. He’s a moron talking to other slightly less educated morons.

He is skilled at manipulation and demagoguery. And yes, if that budget surplus had been under a GOP President, he would have been praising it as exemplary fiscal responsibility.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:52:50am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is skilled at manipulation and demagoguery. And yes, if that budget surplus had been under a GOP President, he would have been praising it as exemplary fiscal responsibility.

That doesn’t make him educated. That makes him a manipulative demagogue.

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BigPapa  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:54:51am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s almost like Rushbo is an uneducated hack.

I’ve been listening to Rush again, little here and there. He hasn’t changed since ‘91 when I first listened to him. Still hold a little shame I was charmed by it so long ago.

Still the same old schtick: Drive By Media; Chi-Coms, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:56:22am

re: #200 BigPapa

I’ve been listening to Rush again, little here and there. He hasn’t changed since ‘91 when I first listened to him. Still hold a little shame I was charmed by it so long ago.

Still the same old schtick: Drive By Media; Chi-Coms, etc.

He’s gotten more nutty imo.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:56:48am

Back to work

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:58:24am

re: #69 lawhawk

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Good

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:07:11am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also recall him in the 90’s telling us that a budget surplus was de facto immoral because it meant that the government was taking more tax money from us than it needed to operate.

-planning for the future is stupid
- nothing unplanned ever happens

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:09:16am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

You give him too much credit. Rush is just anti Democratic. He’s a moron talking to other slightly less educated morons.

Rushbo is like a lot of the RWNJ leaders, a lesser son of the hinterland gentry. His family has been called “the first family of Cape Girardeau.” Except for Rush, they are mostly jurists and lawyers, some quite distinguished. If not for the popularity of talk radio and the rise of Reaganism, Rush would be the black sheep of the clan in many respects.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:09:22am

I’m reading/skimming the decision on partisan gerrymandering, and I can’t say that I necessarily disagree with this point from the majority’s opinion (they ruled that partisan gerrymandering is a “political question” outside the Court’s purview):

Even the most sophisticated districting maps cannot reliably account for some of the reasons voters prefer one candidate over another, or why their references may change. Voters elect individual candidates in individual districts, and their selections depend on the issues that matter to them, the quality of the candidates, the tone of the candidates’ campaigns, the performance of an incumbent, national events or local issues that drive voter turnout, and other considerations. Many voters split their tickets. Others never register with a political party, and vote for candidates from both major parties at different points during their lifetimes. For all of those reasons, asking judges to predict how a particular districting map will perform in future elections risks basing constitutional holdings on unstable ground outside judicial expertise.

It is hard to see what the District Court’s third prong— providing the defendant an opportunity to show that the discriminatory effects were due to a “legitimate redistricting objective”—adds to the inquiry. 318 F. Supp. 3d, at 861. The first prong already requires the plaintiff to prove that partisan advantage predominates. Asking whether a legitimate purpose other than partisanship was the motivation for a particular districting map just restates the question.

That said, as Kagan points out in her dissent, there are existing tests that are pretty standard tests that lawyers and courts use all the time to deal with claims of vote dilution.

Lastly, I’ll say this: I don’t necessarily blame the majority for punting; nor do I disagree with the dissent that there are viable tests that can be used. However, gerrymandering can often times be an “eye of the beholder” situation (or to use Justice Potter’s famous line “I know it when I see it”). I think districts should generally be compact and where possible not split counties/cities/neighborhoods. But even with that basic formulation, it’s possible to create maps that favor one party over the other.

Post-script: There is, of course, a political answer to these issues. Register more voters, turn them out at elections, invest in races with good candidates, win seats “you shouldn’t have been able to win”, win the governor’s race in cycles where redistricting will happen

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:11:04am

Sidebar on the larger border asylum story:

“…Punjabi Americans first appeared on the U.S. trucking scene in the 1980s after an anti-Sikh massacre in India left thousands dead around New Delhi, prompting many Sikhs to flee. More recently, Sikhs have migrated to Central America and applied for asylum at the Mexico border, citing persecution for their religion in India; some have also become truckers. Estimates of the overall U.S. Sikh population vary, placing the community’s size between 200,000 and 500,000.

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:11:06am

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Good

I know this isn’t the point of a democratic debate but why didn’t anyone talk about trains?

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:13:00am

re: #206 KGxvi

I’m reading/skimming the decision on partisan gerrymandering, and I can’t say that I necessarily disagree with this point from the majority’s opinion (they ruled that partisan gerrymandering is a “political question” outside the Court’s purview):

That said, as Kagan points out in her dissent, there are existing tests that are pretty standard tests that lawyers and courts use all the time to deal with claims of vote dilution.

Lastly, I’ll say this: I don’t necessarily blame the majority for punting; nor do I disagree with the dissent that there are viable tests that can be used. However, gerrymandering can often times be an “eye of the beholder” situation (or to use Justice Potter’s famous line “I know it when I see it”). I think districts should generally be compact and where possible not split counties/cities/neighborhoods. But even with that basic formulation, it’s possible to create maps that favor one party over the other.

Post-script: There is, of course, a political answer to these issues. Register more voters, turn them out at elections, invest in races with good candidates, win seats “you shouldn’t have been able to win”, win the governor’s race in cycles where redistricting will happen

Voting matters

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:15:04am

re: #208 DangerMan

I know this isn’t the point of a democratic debate but why didn’t anyone talk about trains?

Bernie would have. Maybe Joe Biden too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:19:09am
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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:27:48am

re: #206 KGxvi

I’m reading/skimming the decision on partisan gerrymandering, and I can’t say that I necessarily disagree with this point from the majority’s opinion (they ruled that partisan gerrymandering is a “political question” outside the Court’s purview):

That said, as Kagan points out in her dissent, there are existing tests that are pretty standard tests that lawyers and courts use all the time to deal with claims of vote dilution.

Lastly, I’ll say this: I don’t necessarily blame the majority for punting; nor do I disagree with the dissent that there are viable tests that can be used. However, gerrymandering can often times be an “eye of the beholder” situation (or to use Justice Potter’s famous line “I know it when I see it”). I think districts should generally be compact and where possible not split counties/cities/neighborhoods. But even with that basic formulation, it’s possible to create maps that favor one party over the other.

Post-script: There is, of course, a political answer to these issues. Register more voters, turn them out at elections, invest in races with good candidates, win seats “you shouldn’t have been able to win”, win the governor’s race in cycles where redistricting will happen

And when Democrats win 200K more votes in Wisconsin but gerrymandering still guarantees Republicans a supermajority in the assembly, then what?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:28:04am

somedays it’s easy, too easy.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:31:29am

re: #213 I Would Prefer Not To

How can you have an opinion about a census when you don’t know what a census is?

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:32:10am
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:35:32am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

My guess is that Jack (and his allies) probably still holds a controlling interesting in the company. Just because a company is publicly traded, doesn’t mean that one or a small number of shareholders can’t control it nearly completely.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:36:26am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

Reliving his glory days

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When he could still see his dick.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:38:22am

House Democrats are proposing amending the Senate appropriations bill:

House Democrats unveiled the new package overnight, which adds several Democratic provisions to the Senate’s $4.6 billion bill aimed at addressing the sprawling humanitarian crisis at the border. The additions — many of which come from the House’s competing legislation — would place additional restrictions on how the administration may spend the money and specify basic standards of care for the thousands of migrant children being held at the border, many in reportedly horrific conditions.

But guess what, moderate House Democrats, Hoyer, Stephanie Murphie, and about 10 others, are opposing the changes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:38:40am

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

At least the Senate isn’t subject to gerrymandering. And many of the problems have arisen because of voter disenfranchisement or suppression. We just have to make sure that people are able to vote.

What’s going on with the Florida effort to overturn the results of the referendum that restores voting rights?

I guess this answers my question. Republicans are evil, pure evil.
washingtonpost.com

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:38:58am

re: #215 jaunte

People, particularly right wingers, complain that going to M4A or a similar system would be too costly and destroy health care as we know it.

Ummm… when you look at all health care delivery, Medicare is far more cost effective than private insurance, due to economies of scale. That’s why when you look at health care spending as a total (private+public), you’d get a reduction in overall cost, even as you increase govt spending.

What would happen is that the premiums that are currently paid by companies and individuals (often as part of a employment benefits package) would be replaced with a tax that picks up a comparable amount. The net to the individual is that they’d have their coverage, you could conceivably cover everyone, and there’d be no in-out network nonsense. It would simplify providers’ coverage/costs too, since the team of people needed to handle insurance would be reduced/simplified.

The GOP doesn’t care about that and would rather people think and show concern for the health care insurers whose existence is there to deny coverage for people when they need it most (to make sure their bottom line is sufficient - particularly because they are for profit entities who have to answer to shareholders).

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darthstar  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:39:17am
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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:40:55am

re: #214 jaunte

How can you have an opinion about a census when you don’t know what a census is?

A census of citizens would count citizens.

The us census counts people (persons)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:41:08am

re: #212 Belafon

And when Democrats win 200K more votes in Wisconsin but gerrymandering still guarantees Republicans a supermajority in the assembly, then what?

Then you move to honest Alabama, where the asshole representatives actually represent assholes.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:41:16am

re: #220 lawhawk

It would simplify providers’ coverage/costs too, since the team of people needed to handle insurance would be reduced/simplified.

This alone would be huge. There’s far too much inefficiency deliberately designed into the denial-of-healthcare-coverage system we’ve allowed to evolve.

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Mattand  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:43:57am
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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:44:07am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:46:02am

re: #226 jaunte

There’s that 22nd A thing…

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:46:08am

re: #212 Belafon

And when Democrats win 200K more votes in Wisconsin but gerrymandering still guarantees Republicans a supermajority in the assembly, then what?

I’m looking at the results from the 2018 assembly elections, and I feel like that 200k vote point is a bit of smoke and mirrors. There are a lot of districts where Republicans didn’t run, and in those districts the sole person on the ballot was a Democrat who often got as many votes as there were total votes cast in contested elections.

But there are things you can do at the state level - especially if you’re a state with ballot initiatives. You can put forward ballot initiatives that call for a non-partisan redistricting committee (we have one in California because we had lines draw for a decade that saw no seats at the state or Congressional level change party); or you can push for elections based on proportional representation (though that gives a lot of power to the parties and there’s long been a trend away from that).

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:46:33am

The census question is of a piece with GOP behavior over climate change; hide the facts, hide FROM the facts if they’re in the least likely to interfere with a donor’s money.

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:47:32am

re: #225 Mattand

God, I so want to tweet this at him.

Chuck Todd Extensively Preparing To Accept Whatever Candidates Say At Face Value Without Any Follow-Up Questions

Chuck could be replaced by a clipboard full of better written questions sitting on a chair

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Citizen K  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:48:09am

re: #228 KGxvi

I’m looking at the results from the 2018 assembly elections, and I feel like that 200k vote point is a bit of smoke and mirrors. There are a lot of districts where Republicans didn’t run, and in those districts the sole person on the ballot was a Democrat who often got as many votes as there were total votes cast in contested elections.

But there are things you can do at the state level - especially if you’re a state with ballot initiatives. You can put forward ballot initiatives that call for a non-partisan redistricting committee (we have one in California because we had lines draw for a decade that saw no seats at the state or Congressional level change party); or you can push for elections based on proportional representation (though that gives a lot of power to the parties and there’s long been a trend away from that).

The problem comes when you do push ballot initiatives through, and one party has enough power that they just pass shit to ignore those initiatives wholesale. Kinda like in Florida.

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:50:49am

re: #228 KGxvi

I’m looking at the results from the 2018 assembly elections, and I feel like that 200k vote point is a bit of smoke and mirrors. There are a lot of districts where Republicans didn’t run, and in those districts the sole person on the ballot was a Democrat who often got as many votes as there were total votes cast in contested elections.

But there are things you can do at the state level - especially if you’re a state with ballot initiatives. You can put forward ballot initiatives that call for a non-partisan redistricting committee (we have one in California because we had lines draw for a decade that saw no seats at the state or Congressional level change party); or you can push for elections based on proportional representation (though that gives a lot of power to the parties and there’s long been a trend away from that).

There is no way that *people* are ever gonna draw fair districts

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:51:21am
234
Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:54:06am

re: #232 DangerMan

There is no way that *people* are ever gonna draw fair districts

The computer algorithms already exist, created by a consortium of geo-IT types.

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:55:08am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The computer algorithms already exist, created by a consortium of geo-IT types.

That’s what I meant

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:55:58am

re: #233 jaunte

Don Moynihan

@donmoyn
SCOTUS in 2010: we are going to radically reinterpret the constitution to open the floodgates to dark money in elections!

2013: We are going to give states with a history of voting discrimination discretion to discriminate again!

2019: SCOTUS can’t interfere in elections.

Don’t forget Bush v Gore.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:56:31am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The computer algorithms already exist, created by a consortium of geo-IT types.

The computer algorithms can be even more dangerous. You do it right and it can cut out these three houses where there are Democratic voters and move them to another district.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 10:59:53am

re: #237 KGxvi

The computer algorithms can be even more dangerous. You do it right and it can cut out these three houses where there are Democratic voters and move them to another district.

I don’t expect to win every deal, just looking for an honest shuffle.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:00:03am

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

[Embedded content]

Guys! Guys! Hey guys! Guys! Over here guys! Guys!

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:00:22am

re: #236 Hecuba’s daughter

Don’t forget Bush v Gore.

True, but that was before Mr. Balls and Strikes

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:00:38am

re: #204 DangerMan

-planning for the future is stupid
- nothing unplanned ever happens

The whole point was that it was a Democratic surplus

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DangerMan  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:01:02am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

I don’t expect to win every deal, just looking for an honest shuffle.

+1

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:01:06am

A census designed to exclude part of the population is an unusable waste of tax money.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:02:16am

re: #243 jaunte

A census designed to exclude part of the population is an unusable waste of tax money.

Not if your objective is to further consolidate power for your party.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:03:26am

re: #244 KGxvi

Sure, but all the businesses that rely on the census to be accurate might have some objections (if they’re paying attention).

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:05:42am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

I don’t expect to win every deal, just looking for an honest shuffle.

That’s fair. I guess my point is that ultimately whatever system we use will be an imperfect system. The best guard for that is having whoever draws the lines be as impartial as possible, and I think history has shown that elected politicians can’t be trusted if one party controls the legislature and governorship.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:07:12am
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:07:42am

re: #245 jaunte

Sure, but all the businesses that rely on the census to be accurate might have some objections (if they’re paying attention).

The only reason to have an inaccurate count to power. Every other course of reason leans toward having an accurate count.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:07:49am

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

At least the Senate isn’t subject to gerrymandering. And many of the problems have arisen because of voter disenfranchisement or suppression. We just have to make sure that people are able to vote.

What’s going on with the Florida effort to overturn the results of the referendum that restores voting rights?

The Senate comes pre-gerrymandered, thanks to the Wisdom Of The Founders (tm).

By 2030, it’s estimated half the nation’s population will be in 15 states. The other half will be in the other 35.

The best way to move liberals to those sparsely populated states would be extensive national investment in broadband and regional airports; there’s a whole lot of wealthy young San Franciscans and New Yorkers who, noticing that a 4000 square foot house on 5 acres with a creek in some midwestern state costs less than an 800-square foot apartment in the big city… when they reach marriage/reproduction age, if they could work on-line and commute a few times a month would be thrilled to have their families elsewhere.

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ericblair  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:09:41am

re: #193 lawhawk

(Schlapp) I’m for impeaching the Chief Justice for lying to all of us about his support of the Constitution. He is responsible for Robertscare and now he is angling for vast numbers of illegal residents to help Dems hold Congress. Enough Deception from GOP judges on the Constitution.

Yeah, if Roberts think splitting the baby is going to make the nutcases happy he’s out of his sheltered mind. And, it’s fine with me if the goopers impeach the son of a bitch. You’re stupid enough to think that these racist criminals will be nice and reasonable and wait their turns for another thumb on the scale, you deserve what you get.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:10:13am

re: #249 sagehen

The Senate comes pre-gerrymandered, thanks to the Wisdom Of The Founders (tm).

By 2030, it’s estimated half the nation’s population will be in 15 states. The other half will be in the other 35.

The best way to move liberals to those sparsely populated states would be extensive national investment in broadband and regional airports; there’s a whole of wealthy young San Franciscans and New Yorkers who, noticing that a 4000 square foot house on 5 acres with a creek in some midwestern state costs less than an 800-square foot apartment in the big city… when they reach marriage/reproduction age, if they could work on-line and commute a few times a month would be thrilled to have their families elsewhere.

Possibly, but I know I prefer the city/suburbs to rural areas. But I am probably what most MAGAbots would call a coastal elite, having lived my whole live in the Greater LA area.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:11:58am

re: #246 KGxvi

That’s fair. I guess my point is that ultimately whatever system we use will be an imperfect system. The best guard for that is having whoever draws the lines be as impartial as possible, and I think history has shown that elected politicians can’t be trusted if one party controls the legislature and governorship.

The IT volunteer group was all about their craft, explicitly trying to come up with a statistically “fair” map generator. If effect, it would be peer-reviewed.

We can always opt for the Skynet/Titan solution.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:13:33am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

The IT volunteer group was all about their craft, explicitly trying to come up with a statistically “fair” map generator. If effect, it would be peer-reviewed.

We can always opt for the Skynet/Titan solution.

I’ve watched enough SciFi over the years to know that is always the worst possible choice.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:18:37am

re: #253 KGxvi

I’ve watched enough SciFi over the years to know that is always the worst possible choice.

Just takes good Software Quality Assurance Engineers.

(Asked our office SQAE how to assure quality of a few million lines of guidance/targeting code.
SQAE: “Wish I knew.”)

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:19:42am

re: #253 KGxvi

I’ve watched enough SciFi over the years to know that is always the worst possible choice.

Let me know when you see any elves so I can take fantasy seriously as well.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 11:19:51am

re: #220 lawhawk

People, particularly right wingers, complain that going to M4A or a similar system would be too costly and destroy health care as we know it.

Ummm… when you look at all health care delivery, Medicare is far more cost effective than private insurance, due to economies of scale. That’s why when you look at health care spending as a total (private+public), you’d get a reduction in overall cost, even as you increase govt spending.

My problem with M4A is that 320 million people is way too big for any sort of efficiency or flexibility. The UK has 1/4 as many people, and their NHS is so fucking hidebound with so many layers of administration… even Canada, with fewer people than California, had to break up their system into province-level organizations to make it work.

I’d prefer state-size public option companies, and one federal for the people whose states don’t want to play along. Big employers and/or unions can still do their own thing, and Blue Cross/Blue Shield/Aetna/Cigna/etc… but if the public options are run well, enough people would be interested in shifting that the existing companies would clean up their act.

I’m frankly surprised how few Republicans seems to understand that de-coupling insurance from employment would be a huge benefit to small business and startups, would cut the legs out from under the unions, and so on.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:06:23pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Now’s the part where we hope and pray RBG can hang on until we have another Democratic President.

And a Democratic Senate since Garland proved you apparently need both.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 27, 2019 • 1:18:18pm

re: #230 DangerMan

Chuck could be replaced by a clipboard full of better written questions sitting on a chair

Questions from a hat would be more interesting and probably provide better insight than Chuck Todd.


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Durand Jones & the Indications - Morning in America (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents Durand Jones & The Indications performing "Morning In America" live in the KEXP studio. Recorded April 2, 2019. Host: Kevin ColeAudio Engineer: Kevin SuggsCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro, Scott Holpainen & Matt OgazDirector & Editor: Justin Wilmore ...
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Jeremy Renner - ‘Main Attraction’ Music Video for Main Attraction New Music out now! Heaven Don’t Have a Name: awal.lnk.toHouse of the Rising Sun: awal.lnk.toMain Attraction: awal.lnk.toNomad: awal.lnk.toSign: awal.lnk.to Watch more Original Content from Jeremy Renner ▶ youtube.com Follow Jeremy Renner:Instagram: instagram.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @Renner4RealSpotify: ...
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Cosmic Sans (Feat. Tom Misch)preorder the album → woooong.comCory Wong - guitar/bass/synth/mixTom Misch - guitarNate Smith - drumsJoe LaPorta - mastering
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Kishi Bashi - Violin Tsunami (Official Video) "Violin Tsunami" from Kishi Bashi off the album 'Omoiyari' out on Joyful Noise Recordings. Stream/Download/Purchase: jnr.lnk.to Video Created by: Julia and Mike McCoyTandem Media: tandemmedia.netWith help from: Benjamin J. Strickland (Brian Box) brainbx.com For more information on the Japanese ...
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João Gilberto - Coisa Mais Linda Faixa 09 - João Gilberto - 1961 Coisa Mais Linda - (Carlos Lyra, Vinicius de Moraes) Coisa mais bonita é você, assim, justinho vocêEu juro, eu não sei por que vocêVocê é mais bonita que a flor, quem dera, ...
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Nick Johnson - the No Soul BluesTabs available at - nickjohnsonacoustic.com Spotify - open.spotify.com facebook.cominstagram.comyoutube.com Video - Jeff Bethers Audio - Antoine Dufour
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