WATCH LIVE: Democratic Presidential Debate #2, June 27

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NBC News, MSNBC and Telemundo host 2020 presidential candidates in two primary face-offs, Wednesday June 26th and Thursday June 27th, live from Miami. Savannah Guthrie, Lester Holt, Chuck Todd, Rachel Maddow and José Diaz-Balart moderate.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:56:36pm

Joe is gonna do or say something iffy…sigh.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:57:13pm

I’ll follow along here. Too many candidates. It’s not a debate, it’s the airing of talking points.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:57:22pm

Someone starts off with a Ben Carson moment……

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:57:30pm

This is a problem:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 5:59:07pm

So tonight is the Joe and Bernie show… with Pete and Kamala hoping to get a word in somewhere.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:00:04pm

re: #5 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So tonight is the Joe and Bernie show… with Pete and Kamala hoping to get a word in somewhere.

A double KO would be a nice result from Joe v. Bernie.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:00:11pm

BernieBot doing the voice over on the NBC feed… ack.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:01:20pm

I hope ol’ Joe and Bernard go all ad hominem while Kamala emerges as the adult in the room.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:01:28pm

Just realized… if I watch this I get more Chuck Todd…

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:02:11pm

re: #9 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Just realized… if I watch this I get more Chuck Todd…

Another reason I’m not watching. His interview with Fuckface Von Clownstick was disgraceful.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:03:22pm

Oh, and I got a pizza from the local pizza trailer, Canadian bacon, bell peppers, and PINEAPPLE. muahahaha

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:04:09pm

RON PAUL..ERR…. BERNIE!

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:05:55pm

Okay, I give it to MSNBC, they actually held Bernie to answering the damned question.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:06:47pm

Um. Joe Biden is not speaking well.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:07:56pm

Harris gets biggest applause line so far about why nobody (read: the press) was asking the GOP how they would pay for the Trump Tax Cuts.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:08:05pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

Oh, and I got a pizza from the local pizza trailer, Canadian bacon, bell peppers, and PINEAPPLE. muahahaha

MULTIPLE UPDINGS for the canadian bacon and pineapple, and one downing for the bell peppers.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:08:52pm

And Savannah Guthrie asks an idiotic question. Quelle surprise.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:09:04pm

Um. This feed won’t play on LGF, you have to open YouTube.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:09:16pm

I thought Biden was seriously slurring his words and syllables together when he spoke - am I the only one who saw that?

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:09:45pm

Hickenlooper asked a gimmie question about how the other candidates are “socialists.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:10:22pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Harris gets biggest applause line so far about why nobody (read: the press) was asking the GOP how they would pay for the Trump Tax Cuts.

She’s right. She’s absolutely right and I really want her to do well tonight.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:10:35pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

He has lost his edge.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:10:52pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Hickenlooper asked a gimmie question about how the other candidates are “socialists.”

That’s his message and he’s sticking to it. He’s running like he’s running for governor of Colorado and not president of the United States.

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:10:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:11:23pm

re: #24 Archangelus

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Snowflake.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:11:42pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

Um. This feed won’t play on LGF, you have to open YouTube.

NBC going for that bottom line.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:13:44pm

Gillibrand is looking desperate tonight. “I wrote part of Bernie’s bill!” is not a good look.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:13:58pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I thought Biden was seriously slurring his words and syllables together when he spoke - am I the only one who saw that?

Reluctant to tweet this because we all know there’s going to be a right wing attempt to smear Biden and I don’t want to help them, but damn. It was really evident.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:15:02pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

That’s his message and he’s sticking to it. He’s running like he’s running for governor of Colorado and not president of the United States.

That’s dim-witted. Biden should have a lock on all the (D) fossils that still wet themselves every time ‘socialism’ is mentioned.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:15:43pm

And here’s tieless Andrew with his “$1000 a month will solve all the problems in the world.” That’s it. That’s his whole platform.

And I can hardly wait for woo-woo Marianne to share her wisdom.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:17:03pm

I am not impressed with Andrew Yang and his “$1000/month For All” which he is having a hard time explaining coherently.

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:17:58pm

“Joe Biden was right when he said it was time to pass on the torch to a new generation of Americans.”

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:18:05pm

re: #30 BeachDem

And here’s tieless Andrew with his “$1000 a month will solve all the problems in the world.” That’s it. That’s his whole platform.

And I can hardly wait for woo-woo Marianne to share her wisdom.

I watched him talk about how the “you have to learn to keep up with the new economy” is a losing race, because the technology and goal posts move faster than people can adapt.

He had a point.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:18:59pm

re: #30 BeachDem

And here’s tieless Andrew with his “$1000 a month will solve all the problems in the world.” That’s it. That’s his whole platform.

And I can hardly wait for woo-woo Marianne to share her wisdom.

$1000/mo is a lot of money. It is not a livable wage. In some places, that won’t even pay the rent.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:19:47pm

Democrats can put in their platform that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and conservatives would scream SOCIALISM!

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:19:50pm

This is out of control already.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:19:54pm

Kee-rist, it’s falling apart.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:20:04pm

You knew with Bernie in the stew that this would breakdown…

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:20:06pm

Kamala: EVERYBODY SHUT UP!

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:20:22pm

Getting shouty

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:20:29pm

re: #34 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In some places, that won’t even pay the rent.

*raises hand*

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:09pm
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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:24pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

I am not impressed with Andrew Yang and his “$1000/month For All” which he is having a hard time explaining coherently.

He’s never even mentioned that his UBI would eliminate the need for food stamps, minimum wage, it would let people can’t work or don’t want to work to move to sparsely populated places where the cost of living is super-low… (and then those places would need a grocery store, a local school, a diner…)

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:27pm

Harris is already looking like one of the best ones on the stage tonight.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:30pm

re: #33 Scottish Dragon

I watched him talk about how the “you have to learn to keep up with the new economy” is losing race, because the technolgy and goal posts move faster than people can adapt.

He had a point.

He has a point—but he has only one point and thinks it will solve every problem. It’s a mighty big hammer…

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Kilroy was here  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:37pm

Bernie is being an interrupting a-hole - mostly with the female candidates.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:21:41pm

Has Bernie called all his opponents corporate sell outs beholden to multinational interests yet?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:22:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:22:38pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Harris is already looking like one of the best ones on the stage tonight.

Prosecutors tend to become good at making points directly.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:23:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:23:42pm

re: #45 BeachDem

He has a point—but he has only one point and thinks it will solve every problem. It’s a mighty big hammer…

The Sanders disease.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:23:49pm

Pete is very relatable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:24:01pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

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I really like her.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:24:49pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

I think you’re being biased Charles. Check yourself that your now “looking” for fault.

Let’s stay friend now….. I saw it and didn’t think anything of it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:25:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:25:39pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:26:08pm

re: #46 Kilroy was here

Bernie is being an interrupting a-hole - mostly with the female candidates.

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:26:12pm

Bernie’s now getting really shouty—Kamala looks like she wants to deck him. And 25 minutes in and not a word from Marianne.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:26:40pm

re: #58 BeachDem

Bernie’s now getting really shouty—Kamala looks like she wants to deck him. And 25 minutes in and not a word from Marianne.

If she punches him, she also punches her ticket as first female President of the United States. Please do this.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:27:38pm

*paraphrased*

“How will you make your system work, Bernie?”

“THE PEOPLE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN!”

Yegods.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:27:53pm

Pretty sure Bernie is spitting flecks of saliva on my TV screen

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:28:07pm

Woo lady is up.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:28:19pm

So now Marianne Williamson is speaking. Apparently we don’t need plans, we need slogans.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:28:45pm

Shut up forever, Marianne.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:28:51pm

re: #63 sagehen

So now Marianne Williamson is speaking. Apparently we don’t need plans, we need slogans.

Make Marianne Obscure Again.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:28:53pm

Why does Marianne have a Loretta Switt hair style from 1982?

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:29:04pm

And I will bet woo-woo Marianne will win the Drudge poll tonight. She has no business being on that stage at all.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:29:26pm

Williamson finally gets a question, immediately shows why it’s a good idea to ignore her.

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Egregious Philbin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:30:39pm

Marianne, please step down, she is just not helping anything…

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:30:45pm

This guy seems to want everybody else to be POTUS over him

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:31:26pm

Kamala is so good—and it’s really pissing Bernie off.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:31:57pm

Everybody is shouting over everyone else.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:32:59pm

(raises hand)

Yeah, my family was bankrupted by medical bills.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:34:15pm

It’s some season 1 Fringe binge for tonight

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:34:58pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s some season 1 Fringe binge tonight for tonight

Overwatch League in the fish household tonight. I’m a millennial, I like my eSports.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:35:10pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:36:31pm

re: #71 BeachDem

Kamala is so good—and it’s really pissing Bernie off.

He doesn’t like women who are more intelligent and accomplished than he is.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:36:57pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s some season 1 Fringe binge tonight for tonight

I LOVED THAT SHOW SO MUCH!!

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:37:13pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:39:30pm

re: #78 sagehen

I LOVED THAT SHOW SO MUCH!!

IMBd TV on Prime

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:39:37pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:40:15pm

GAH, more “Day One” shit.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:40:47pm

Kamala—bringing down the house—smart, decisive and not shouty.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:40:49pm

What are(n’t) the moderators doing to moderate this?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:40:56pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

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You’re a jackass who can’t do anything but scapegoat undocumented people because they’re more hard working than you’ll ever be.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:41:17pm

“…actually put them up for adoption. In Colorado, we call that ‘kidnapping.”

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:41:30pm

re: #75 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Overwatch League in the fish household tonight. I’m a millennial, I like my eSports.

I’m a millennial and I’ll take a Fringe binge over eSports any day.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:41:53pm

re: #83 BeachDem

Kamala—bringing down the house—smart, decisive and not shouty.

I’ve been waiting for her to show why she’d be better than the two fossils and she’s doing it.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:43:06pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

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The reason we need to include the undocumented in health care… is because contagious diseases are CONTAGIOUS!! If we don’t let them get treatment, then everybody who rides the same bus is at risk. Everybody who eats at the restaurant where they’re the busboy is at risk. Every kid who goes to the same school as their kids.

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:43:43pm

re: #84 stpaulbear

What are(n’t) the moderators doing to moderate this?

What did they do to Trump when he stalked Hillary? Absolutely nothing. That’s what they do. It’s good for ratings.

Remember when the League of Women Voters ran these things? That was the last time debates sort of worked.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:44:08pm

This raise your hand bullshit is so insulting and dumb.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:44:21pm

Marianne made a cogent point about FP in Latin America is tied to the immigration issue

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:44:21pm

re: #89 sagehen

The reason we need to include the undocumented in health care… is because contagious diseases are CONTAGIOUS!! If we don’t let them get treatment, then everybody who rides the same bus is at risk. Everybody who eats at the restaurant where they’re the busboy is at risk. Every kid who goes to the same school as their kids.

Exactly. It’s not just about being humane. It’s smart.

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Egregious Philbin  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:44:43pm

Pete lays the smackdown on religious hypocrisy…good for him

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:45:00pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Exactly. It’s not just about being humane. It’s smart.

Humanity and intelligence: Attributes not commonly found in Republicans. Case in point.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:45:38pm

re: #94 Egregious Philbin

Pete is very relatable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:45:43pm

re: #92 Scottish Dragon

Marianne made a cogent point about FP in Latin America is tied to the immigration issue

It is. Castro has talked about that too. I’m glad to have Latin and South American immigrants here but we bear responsibility for some of the problems down there especially in El Salvador.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:47:47pm

Biden just saying what three women already said better (marianne included)

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:52:02pm

Harris showing me why I like her so much

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:52:31pm

Harris/Booker.

I like it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:52:57pm

re: #100 Scottish Dragon

Harris/Booker.

I like it.

+1 vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:53:36pm

re: #100 Scottish Dragon

Harris/Booker.

I like it.

Yeah I would like that.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:53:53pm

re: #100 Scottish Dragon

Harris/Booker.

I like it.

I could live with that…or Harris/Castro.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:54:47pm

re: #103 BeachDem

I could live with that…or Harris/Castro.

Yeah I like Julian a lot too. He’s overtaken Beto for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:55:11pm

Booker-Castro too.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:55:22pm

Chuck Todd up next!!!!!!!!!!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:55:34pm

Feel the anticipation.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:55:39pm

Thank you all for watching so I don’t have to.
Good to hear that Harris is doing well. She had kind of dropped off the radar and I didn’t want to see her disappear quietly (although that really isn’t her style.)

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Broad With Sass  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:56:45pm

Screaming into the night…my fricking RWNJ sister is critiquing the candidates..she is looking for a centrist and will consider that…kill me before I kill her…shit I live with Megan McCain

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:56:54pm

For the next debate I want to see:

Elizabeth Warren
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Julian Castro

Everyone else can go home.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:57:14pm

Biden is just not impressing me much tonight. If anything, tonight shows how reliant he is on name recognition and good will built up over the Obama years.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:57:34pm

re: #108 calochortus

Thank you all for watching so I don’t have to.
Good to hear that Harris is doing well. She had kind of dropped off the radar and I didn’t want to see her disappear quietly (although that really isn’t her style.)

She was the first one who spoke at our convention last week, and I thought the best of the bunch.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:57:53pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

For the next debate I want to see:

Elizabeth Warren
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Julian Castro

Everyone else can go home.

Those are my fav four at the moment too.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:58:45pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Biden is just not impressing me much tonight. If anything, tonight shows how reliant he is on name recognition and good will built up over the Obama years.

And Bernie is just a finger-pointing, shouty curmudgeon.

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rhuarc  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:59:12pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

For the next debate I want to see:

Elizabeth Warren
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Julian Castro

Everyone else can go home.

I’d only add Pete to that list as those are my top 5. And, yes, everybody else go home. You’re not needed or wanted.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:59:29pm

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

For the next debate I want to see:

Elizabeth Warren
Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Julian Castro

Everyone else can go home.

I’d only add Mayor Pete but I’m only interested in him as a VP.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:59:42pm

re: #114 BeachDem

And Bernie is just a finger-pointing, shouty curmudgeon.

Ayep, he’s actually got to defend his “only true progressive” bit tonight and it’s turning him (again) into an angry, bitter old man.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2019 • 6:59:54pm

re: #109 Broad With Sass

Screaming into the night…my fricking RWNJ sister is critiquing the candidates..she is looking for a centrist and will consider that…kill me before I kill her…shit I live with Megan McCain

I empathize with you so hard. Having family that is certifiably insane is so hard.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:00:03pm

Stopped clock moment

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:00:26pm

Rachel, in addition to telling the audience to cool it, maybe tell upchuck to cut his crap as well.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:02:49pm

So much love for Tuck Chodd on my Twitter timeline!

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:03:20pm

re: #120 BeachDem

Rachel, in addition to telling the audience to cool it, maybe tell upchuck to cut his crap as well.

That’s never going to happen.

Remember Uncle Pat (the racist) Buchanan?

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:03:39pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:03:44pm

Chuck is the boss, remember.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:03:47pm

Williamson sounds tonight less like a candidate for the presidency, and more like a therapist. “There are deep, deep problems…”

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:04:38pm

Harris bringing it…

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:05:04pm

Joe has a sad.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:05:18pm

Oooh, Kamala’s going straight at Joe. Calmly, nicely, but effectively.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:05:47pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Straight to the jugular.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:06:27pm

Bernie’s so bored with all this race stuff. He wants to get back to shouting and finger-pointing.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:06:45pm

I won’t say Kamala just gelded Joe on live TV, but I will say he’s looking very uncomfortable right now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:06:52pm

From Twitter it appears Kamala kicked some ass, took some names, and is chewing bubble gum and she’s all out of gum.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:07:16pm

re: #130 BeachDem

Bernie’s so bored with all this race stuff. He wants to get back to shouting and finger-pointing.

Economics/trade/immigraiton: “I WANNA SAY…!”

Race: *crickets*

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:07:22pm

Biden visibly angry and offended. Boos

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:08:11pm

OMG this is cringe worthy

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:08:21pm

It’s possible Bernie is just quiet because he’s stuck between a pair of fighting cats.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:08:59pm

re: #135 Scottish Dragon

OMG this is cringe worthy

At least Biden finally has to address it.

Kamala was a prosecutor and knows how to go for the hot button.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:09:15pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

It’s possible Bernie is just quiet because he’s stuck between a pair of fighting cats.

Bernie is smart enough to not get in the way of Biden stepping on his dick

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:09:18pm

Biden reminds me of the solid assistant coach. He’s a great asset there but you don’t want him as the guy in charge of the entire team. I respect his service but I really will be disappointed if he’s the nominee.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:09:50pm

And in 10 seconds, Bernie seques from diversity to his only hammer.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:09:55pm

Bernie asked question about diversity, looks very uncomfortable answering it. Drags the subject to economics, where he gets animated again.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:10:18pm

someone want to tell him?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:10:26pm

Bernie thinks every issue comes down to powerful capitalists, as if there are no moral issues that transcend money.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:11:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:11:22pm

Bernie goes after corrupt interests, Gillibrand follows right behind.

Good look, Kristen.////////

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:11:27pm

re: #143 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie thinks every issue comes down to powerful capitalists, as if there are no moral issues that transcend money.

Maybe he and tieless Andrew should run as a team.

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calochortus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:12:23pm

re: #143 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie thinks every issue comes down to powerful capitalists, as if there are no moral issues that transcend money.

Bernie is right up there with the entire Trump family when it comes to a lack of understanding of anything that isn’t financially driven.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:12:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:12:49pm

re: #142 I Would Prefer Not To

someone want to tell him?

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Never had a job outside government? Yeah you’re wrong. Btw Dumbass your father is the biggest hypocrite of all. How many undocumented people does his shitty resorts employ? Not to mention he’s constantly contradicting himself.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:12:57pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

From Twitter it appears Kamala kicked some ass, took some names, and is chewing bubble gum and she’s all out of gum.

Is she still wearing her earrings?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:13:19pm

re: #143 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie thinks every issue comes down to powerful capitalists, as if there are no moral issues that transcend money.

Exactly.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:13:29pm

Joe gets animated most when somebody suggests he’s wrong about something.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:14:16pm

Kirsten ain’t going anywhere, but I think she’s good.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:14:22pm

Buttigieg’s stock is going to go up after tonight. far better prepared than Beto

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:15:13pm

Bernie asked question about abortion, let’s see how he turns it into a rant about capitalism.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:15:20pm

re: #153 BeachDem

Secretary position in the next admin…fingers crossed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:15:46pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Bernie asked question about abortion, let’s see how he turns it into a rant about capitalism.

He will.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:19pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

Secretary position in the next admin…fingers crossed.

Trying to think what a good fit would be.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:46pm

re: #142 I Would Prefer Not To

someone want to tell him?

I will. Fuck off, Junior.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:50pm

Bernie thinks “the corporations” are those threatening abortion????

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:16:58pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Bernie asked question about abortion, let’s see how he turns it into a rant about capitalism.

So now he’s answered two different questions but not the one asked. But Kirsten is setting it all straight.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:17:38pm

re: #162 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie thinks “the corporations” are those threatening abortion????

God what a fool.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:17:41pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Trying to think what a good fit would be.

Maybe keep her in the Senate? And make her leadership.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:17:50pm

This mob looks best when they go after the Republicans.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:17:54pm

Not to worry, Bernie, Kristen’s there to pick up the “corruption” baton.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:18:09pm

re: #165 BeachDem

Maybe keep her in the Senate? And make her leadership.

Sure.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:19:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:19:44pm

Lord knows I have problems with corporate power but damn it, it’s not corporations that are behind some of the worst of Trump’s policies.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:19:58pm

Kamala lands a couple of body blows on Biden on the dixiecrat and bussing issues

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:20:18pm

Kamala owning it.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:20:21pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Trying to think what a good fit would be.

Health and human services. Gives her the CDC and power to assign monies for gun violence and sexual assault, which are big issues for her

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:20:38pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Trying to think what a good fit would be.

HHS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:21:26pm

re: #173 Scottish Dragon

Health and human services. Givs her the CDC and power to assign monies for gun violnce and sexual assault, which are big issues for her

Yeah I was reading about her change of heart on the issue. She met a mother from NYC who lost her daughter to gun violence.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:21:51pm

Pete is so relatable… no wonder people love him.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:22:14pm

This originated in 1964 as a response to Goldwater’s slogan “In your heart you know he’s right.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:24:24pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

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That’s how I heard it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:25:14pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:25:15pm

re: #172 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Kamala owning it.

She’s a prosecutor, exactly what we need to deal with the Republicans.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:26:17pm

WTF is Marianne blathering about. Go home, Marianne—you’re not just drunk, you’re also extremely annoying.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:26:17pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:26:24pm

I’m surprised Williamson thinks the Moon landings were real.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:26:30pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

She’s a prosecutor, exactly what we need to deal with the Republicans.

That’s why I like her. People who call her a cop are ignorant.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:26:51pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Joe has lost the ball.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:27:23pm
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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:28:35pm

Am I the only one who can all but hear the crowd there groan in unison whenever Sanders starts talking?

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:29:03pm

And tieless Andrew is going to solve climate change with $1,000 a month.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:30:22pm

Tonight’s panel includes a few who are really come off as sharp (Kamala, Pete) and several who now seem a bit too old and slow.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:30:53pm

re: #190 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Tonight’s panel includes a few who are really come off as sharp (Kamala, Pete) and several who now seem a bit too old and slow.

And one who seems like she’s drunk (Williamson).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:31:18pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

And one who seems like she’s drunk (Williamson).

But a friendly drunk.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:31:42pm

My brother tells me that the Colorado Springs gun-fundies think Hickenlooper is a communist.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:31:45pm

This horse-race guy NBC has doing the intermission show is absurd.

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b.d.  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:32:12pm

re: #192 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But a friendly drunk.

The Prime Minister of New Zealand won’t think she is a friendly drunk!

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:32:24pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:32:26pm

Oh jeez—Moulton didn’t make the stage, so he’s wasting his money running an ad about himself here in South Carolina. What a maroon.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:32:27pm

Unlike Trump, who always seems like an angry drunk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:32:40pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My brother tells me that the Colorado Springs gun-fundies think Hickenlooper is a communist.

They think everyone who isn’t an end times nutter is one.

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:33:08pm

I like Sen. Bennett, in addition to my usual Sen. Harris. Buttigieg, too.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:35:48pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My brother tells me that the Colorado Springs gun-fundies think Hickenlooper is a communist.

He did sign into law a magazine restriction (15 rounds, I think) and more stringent background checks. Tyranny, I tell you!

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:37:51pm

Bernie spins like a dynamo, particularly considering how much he beat up on Hillary for her own gun-control proposals.

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:38:05pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:38:10pm

Bernie fumbles and mumbles and Kamala sets it all straight.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:38:50pm

re: #203 Archangelus

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I don’t think it was an accident.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:40:20pm

“HE SAID ‘CLIP’! HE DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GUNS!!!!”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:40:33pm

re: #205 BeachDem

I don’t think it was an accident.

Seems like a good conspiracy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:41:30pm

re: #203 Archangelus

Why accidentally?

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:43:11pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:43:40pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Why accidentally?

She got into the palliative care weed,,,,

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:44:22pm

re: #209 Dread Pirate

he isn’t listening to his debate prep and he’s “set in his ways,”

We have too much of that in the presidency now.

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Broad With Sass  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:45:34pm

WaPo’s daily evening podcast had a follow up on Gillibrand & the family she had the gun change of heart over…she’s never got back with them just uses the story

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:45:48pm

re: #209 Dread Pirate

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They really shouldn’t be surprised. Biden isn’t a good Presidential candidate. He’s never been. Solid Senator and VP but he’s never been good at running for the big thing. If Warren and Harris are our new front runners with Cory and Julian rising, awesome.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:45:51pm

This is not the Biden we saw in 2008. I thought he would be much, much better than what we are seeing tonight.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:46:02pm

re: #211 jaunte

We have too much of that in the presidency now.

I was thinking the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:46:38pm

re: #214 Scottish Dragon

This is not the Biden we saw in 2008. I thought he would be much, much better than what we are seeing tonight.

11 years is a long time passed.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:47:52pm

Even though it’s not quite over, I have my rankings determined.

Kamala

Pete

Kirsten

everyone else

Marianne

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:48:00pm

I just hope Biden’s struggles don’t help Trump. I don’t think they will tho. Whatever problems Biden has, Trump has them even more.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:48:10pm

re: #214 Scottish Dragon

People age differently, but decline is real.

I don’t want someone too young as a leader, but the problem of getting old is real. Reagan only had a 2nd term because he didn’t have to really get into a primary, which would have exposed his decline.

Trump has declined.

I’m not intentionally agist for malice. It’s just a reality.

Pete and Kamala are younger and also sharper and very well experienced in public speaking, and they are rattling Joe, not to mention having Bernie next to him shouting at clouds all the time.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:48:44pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

11 years is a long time passed.

He’s old. Trump gets away with it because his audience doesn’t give a fuck. Democrats care about being coherent. Love the man, but it’s time to plan his talk at the convention in support of someone else.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:49:45pm

re: #220 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s old. Trump gets away with it because his audience doesn’t give a fuck. Democrats care about being coherent. Love the man, but it’s time to plan his talk at the convention in support of someone else.

Yes.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:49:54pm

re: #220 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s old. Trump gets away with it because his audience doesn’t give a fuck. Democrats care about being coherent. Love the man, but it’s time to plan his talk at the convention in support of someone else.

Agree. I am simply stunned at what I am seeing here…and Charles is right….he sounds like he is slurring.

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:49:57pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:00pm

Fuck off, Marianne. Go back to being Oprah’s woowoo guru.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:10pm

It’s the 1960’s all over again.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:32pm

re: #219 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

People age differently, but decline is real.

I don’t want someone too young as a leader, but the problem of getting old is real. Reagan only had a 2nd term because he didn’t have to really get into a primary, which would have exposed his decline he had an awesome VP to cover his ass.

Reagan was great at campaigning, and speeches, and other public ceremonial stuff.
GHWB understood the levers of government, and how to implement policy.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:32pm
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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:42pm

Calling it, getting so late in these parts it’s practically morning… good night folks and enjoy what’s left of the debates…

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:51:46pm

re: #219 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Kamala is in the Goldilocks zone, methinks (54 years old). I mean, the fact is Elizabeth Warren just turned 70. Our esteemed host of this bitchen interactive world wide web site told Bob Cesca his age in a recent podcast (66).

I guess if I want to be honest… I’m 37.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:01pm

Marianne…WUV…..TWOO WUV…CHEWISH YOUR WUV…THE DWEEM WITHIN A DWEEM

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:01pm
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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:02pm

I’m 29. Again. And still. And again. And forever.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:53:49pm

re: #230 Scottish Dragon

Marianne…WUV…..TWOO WUV…CHEWISH YOUR WUV…THE DWEEM WITHIN A DWEEM

man and wife—-man and wife!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:54:00pm

Hickenlooper knows that the ignorant masses have been programmed to respond to the trigger word “socialism.” Hickenlooper knows this well, which is why he’s playing the game he is.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:54:19pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:55:11pm

re: #232 sagehen

If I had to pick a year where I am that age forever, it would be when I was 25. That year was when I crossed over into a guy who has skied some shit, the 1% as it were.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:55:23pm

Prosecute the case—that was Kamala’s tone last week and she kicked ass. Damn—I need to go to ActBlue and send her some more money.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:55:39pm
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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:55:55pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

Kamala is in the Goldilocks zone, methinks (54 years old). I mean, the fact is Elizabeth Warren just turned 70. Our esteemed host of this bitchen interactive world wide web site told Bob Cesca his age in a recent podcast (66).

I guess if I want to be honest… I’m 37.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:56:28pm

re: #236 teleskiguy

If I had to pick a year where I am that age forever, it would be when I was 25. That year was when I crossed over into a guy who has skied some shit, the 1% as it were.

I’d pick 38. I knew shit. I looked great. I had it together.

Of course, I’ve only gotten better. And older.

😂😂😂😂

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:56:43pm

Pete played the age card with great skill.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:57:08pm

re: #236 teleskiguy

I am old enough to be your mom. I am officially depressed now, lol.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:57:14pm

re: #234 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

He was very centrist in Colorado, his notable alliance that pissed off the left was with oil and gas interests, he was not in favor of fracking bans. Also he opposed the legalization of cannabis before voters passed that law.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:57:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:58:03pm

27. That was a great year.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:58:03pm

Well, Nina Fucking Turner said Bernie won last night’s debate (say what?) Good thing, because he certainly hasn’t made much of a show tonight. Shouty, finger-pointy, one note bullshit.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:58:16pm

re: #234 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Hickenlooper knows that the ignorant masses have been programmed to respond to the trigger word “socialism.” Hickenlooper knows this well, which is why he’s playing the game he is.

“Nobody complains about socialized firefighting.”

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:58:53pm

re: #242 A Mom Anon

I graduated high school the year before Chuck Todd was born.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:59:05pm

The really fucking annoying thing is I agreed with every word in Bernie’s closing spiel…and I also know he has no ability to deliver on any of it because HE DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:59:08pm

Biden says the magic words “God” and “troops”. He knows the trigger words.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 7:59:09pm

re: #246 BeachDem

Well, Nina Fucking Turner said Bernie won last night’s debate (say what?) Good thing, because he certainly hasn’t made much of a show tonight. Shouty, finger-pointy, one note bullshit.

Nina is like the worst surrogate you could ask for. I don’t get her appeal at all.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:00:16pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Nina is like the worst surrogate you could ask for. I don’t get her appeal at all.

I laughed today when I saw someone describe her as Bernie’s Diamond and Silk.

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Archangelus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:00:55pm

And now, sleep.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:05pm

re: #249 Scottish Dragon

The really fucking annoying thing is I agreed with every word in Bernie’s closing spiel…and I also know he has no ability to deliver on any of it because HE DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS

That’s part of why I don’t like him. He’d be the opposite of LBJ. And the Roberts Court and Republican AGs would be drooling to overturn his stuff and they’d have more success then they did against Obama since Obama was more politically savvy than Bernie ever will be.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:53pm

re: #254 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Incredibly butthurt. Oh and crybaby supports the people who screw over 911 heroes.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:01:55pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

Secretary position in the next admin…fingers crossed.

I think she’s got a lock on being a Senator from New York.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:02:01pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:02:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:03:25pm

I was in my late 20s when I lived in Denver, the only time I’ve ever lived in a city. That was fun, but it was also freaking noisy most of the time. I need quiet, serenity, peace, sanctuary. Those things were hard to find during my two years living in Denver.

Thanks for listening to this mundane fact about myself.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:03:35pm

re: #186 gocart mozart

I was worried someone was going to have to Chuck Todd tonight.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:03:55pm

Trump’s non-existent international credibility reminds me of a story from the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Before President Kennedy went on TV to show the reconnaissance photos and explain the situation, he had US ambassadors brief allied leaders on the findings and, if possible, get offers of support. In Paris, the ambassador requested and got an urgent meeting with President DeGaulle, who was having his own difficulties with US policy at the time. The ambassador brought low resolution photo-copies of the recce photos, the best that could be provided at short notice with the technology of the time. DeGaulle listened. The ambassador offered to have high resolution copies of the photos flown from Washington so French experts would examine them themselves. He even offered to fly the experts to Washington to examine the originals. DeGaulle waved the offer away, “No. The word of the President of the United States is good enough for me. Tell him you have my support.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:04:20pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:05:52pm

Jesus Christ…how fucking bad do you have to be to have Cilizza dunk on you?

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:06:05pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I’m looking forward to getting away from my neighbors’ leaf-blowers and moving out to the country.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:06:21pm

The object of the exercise is not to pick someone the majority of Democrats will vote for.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:08:21pm

Trump probably thinks he can crush Kamala. He’s never thought too highly of black women.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:08:31pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:08:42pm

And just a reminder—according to the founders of Emerge America (which trains Democratic women to run for office), Kamala was the inspiration for it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:08:44pm

re: #265 jaunte

I haven’t raked my backyard in years. My front yard was xeriscaped a couple years ago. What’s a lawnmower?

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:09:57pm

re: #270 teleskiguy

I experimented this year by not mowing at all between October and June. Finally mowed it mid June and now it’s back up to the same height.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:10:32pm

re: #271 jaunte

I experimented this year by not mowing at all between October and June. Finally mowed it mid June and now it’s back up to the same height.

Goats. The answer is miniature goats.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:10:49pm

re: #71 BeachDem

Kamala is so good—and it’s really pissing Bernie off.

I like her because she can piss off any and every republican she confronts, and make them look small

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:10:55pm

re: #271 jaunte

I experimented this year by not mowing at all between October and June. Finally mowed it mid June and now it’s back up to the same height.

Same experience here and we haven’t even had much rain!

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:10:57pm

I was wondering if I’d hear from the neighbors but they stayed quietly resentful.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:11:45pm

Ha:

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:14:14pm

re: #265 jaunte

I’m looking forward to getting away from my neighbors’ leaf-blowers and moving out to the country.

That’s been the big change since I started my new job. I can sleep until 5:50. At 5:50 on Tuesdays, the leaf blowers start up. The first time it happened (Tuesday a week ago), I sat up in bed, ripped the sleep mask off my face* and snapped WTF!!! I’ve worked the same hours for the last six years or so and hadn’t heard the maintenance people in so long.

* The sleep mask I bought is the best $15 I’ve spent in ages. It has gel walls around the eyes, and you can blink and you don’t hit the mask. But it’s dark, dark, dark. Great sleep. Much comfy.

amazon.com

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:15:49pm

re: #277 mmmirele

I’ll have to get one of those. The country place has bedroom windows that face the sunrise, so we’re up with the dawn.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:16:18pm

Man, Bernie being really rude to Andrea Mitchell. Can’t decide who to root against.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:16:19pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:17:15pm

re: #280 Dread Pirate

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ckkatz  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:18:21pm

From lat thread:

re: #28 Eventual Carrion

Tionesta is a nice place. All along that area. The drive from here where I am to Tionesta is a nice ride (in summer, not winter). It is about 60 miles from where I sit to there. You leave here in the foothills and it is steady climbing up and down gradually growing rock walls. My cousins went to Franklin schools, which is about half way from here to Tionesta. My little sisters husband grew up around Warren and we would get away and head up there to party years ago.

I find Northwest Pennsylvania incredibly beautiful, particularly in the summer. In the winter, even though it is still beautiful, it is too dang cold and snowy for me these days. Less of that sense of adventure I guess.

As you know, the Boy Scout Camp was located along Tionesta Reservoir in the Alleghany National Forest. I understand that Forest Service did not renew the lease when it expired back in the 1980s.

I remember standing on the hills above the reservoir and watching 4 and 5 foot muskellunge (fish) swim past.

I don’t think that I ever made it up to Warren, East Hickory was about as far as I usually went. Maybe once to Tidioute.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:20:37pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:21:06pm

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump probably thinks he can crush Kamala. He’s never thought too highly of black women.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:21:11pm

You can tell Harris hit a home run tonight because all the usual suspects (Bill O, Ingraham, etc.) are coming out after her.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:22:43pm
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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:22:47pm

re: #285 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And maybe a few foreign-government-controlled bots, too.

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:23:02pm

re: #285 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You can tell Harris hit a home run tonight because all the usual suspects (Bill O, Ingraham, etc.) are coming out after her.

CNN gives her top billing….

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:23:32pm

Serious question: Let’s say Kamala is the nominee. Does Trump agree to debate her?

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:24:27pm

re: #288 retired cynic

CNN gives her top billing….

I just sent her 100 bucks.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:24:42pm

Some LGBTQ folk really don’t like Harris, and their pet issue seems to stem from certain legal briefs she had to file:

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:26:18pm

re: #289 Ace Rothstein

Serious question: Let’s say Kamala is the nominee. Does Trump agree to debate her?

I’m gonna say fuck no.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:26:52pm

I think Biden’s comments about James Eastland were a “senior moment.” That would be all the more reason to use them against him. His time has passed.

Eastland was not just a segregationist. He was one of the worst of the pack, outspoken in ways that ordinary racists like Strom Thurmond were not.

During World War II, Eastland vocally opposed and degraded the service of African American soldiers in the war. He incited protests and comparisons to Hitlerism following a vitriolic speech on the floor of the Senate in July 1945, in which he complained that the Negro soldier was physically, morally, and mentally incapable of serving in combat. In contrast, Eastland claimed that the “boys from the South were fighting to maintain white supremacy.”

Earlier on 1944, Eastland claimed the “Negro race” was an inferior race:

I have no prejudice in my heart, but the white race is the superior race and the Negro race an inferior race and the races must be kept separate.

The same year he protested against Smith v. Allwright, which banned White primaries:

This decision reveals an alarming tendency to destroy the sovereignty of the states. Our supreme court is usurping the legislative function, and Congress may yet prove the last citadel of constitutional government.

When the Supreme Court issued its decision in the landmark case Brown v. Board of Education, ruling that segregation in public schools was unconstitutional, Eastland, like most Southern Democrats, denounced it. In a speech given in Senatobia, Mississippi on August 12, 1955, he announced:

On May 17, 1954, the Constitution of the United States was destroyed because of the Supreme Court’s decision. You are not obliged to obey the decisions of any court which are plainly fraudulent sociological considerations.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:27:07pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:28:45pm

re: #289 Ace Rothstein

Serious question: Let’s say Kamala is the nominee. Does Trump agree to debate her?

Not if he’s smart. Of course he isn’t smart and I don’t know if his scumbag handlers can restrain him. In that case, the Lizard collective will feast on gamey buttocks on debate night.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:30:11pm

I listened to the whole debate on radio.

My impression is the winner tonight was Kamala. I got to give props to Bennet who was on fire.

Biden and Mayor Pete stumbled. Bernie just sounded like a Chatty Cathy doll who kept getting the string in his back pulled.

Marianne and Yang were out beyond the Oort Cloud.

Hickenlooper was the big loser endlessly saying socialism is a dirty word. He needs to STFU.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:30:42pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Not if he’s smart. Of course he isn’t smart and I don’t know if his scumbag handlers can restrain him. In that case, the Lizard collective will feast on gamey buttocks on debate night.

Why should he? He gains nothing and provides a national stage to a little-known. That’s true for most of the matchups.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:31:48pm
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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:32:40pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon 🌹

I listened to the whole debate on radio.

My impression is the winner tonight was Kamala. I got to give props to Bennet who was on fire.

Biden and Mayor Pete stumbled. Bernie just sounded like a Chatty Cathy doll who kept getting the string in his back pulled.

Marianne and Yang were out beyond the Oort Cloud.

Hickenlooper was the big loser endlessly saying socialism is a dirty word. He needs to STFU.

I agree, Joe, but didn’t feel Buttigieg did that badly. I heard an hour interview with Hickenlooper in other circs a year ago, and I liked him very much. This set up was not for him, and seeing him, I think his time has past. But I liked him much better from that previous interview.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:32:57pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Why should he? He gains nothing and provides a national stage to a little-known. That’s true for most of the matchups.

His ego will overcome whatever judgement he has. He will see her as an upstart, a sassy woman who needs to be put in her place, or he loses fake penis points for failing to do so.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:33:05pm

At Denali. It’s warmer here than it was in SF when I left (granted, it was on the cold side there).

Joined 30% club — we saw Denali.

Joined 1% club — saw all three mountains of which Denali is one.

Denali picture when I have bandwidth. All Three pictures pretty terrible (through train window and very far away). Maybe one will be good enough to show images.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:34:09pm

Did she get bused to a white school over the objections of the white kids’ parents?
Then she’s black.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:01pm

re: #300 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

His ego will overcome whatever judgement he has. He will see her as an upstart, a sassy woman who needs to be put in her place, or he loses fake penis points for failing to do so.

Then he deserves what he gets. There is no point in raising the profile of an unknown.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:07pm

re: #289 Ace Rothstein

Serious question: Let’s say Kamala is the nominee. Does Trump agree to debate her?

Criswell Bacon posted earlier that Trump will; refuse to debate whomever the Democrats nominate. Instead he will be doing his Nuremberg rallies where he continues to stiff the creditors!

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:35:12pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:36:57pm

re: #302 jaunte

Is she followed around in a department store because she’s black? Then she’s black.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:37:03pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Not if he’s smart. Of course he isn’t smart and I don’t know if his scumbag handlers can restrain him. In that case, the Lizard collective will feast on gamey buttocks on debate night.

The only way I see Fuckface Von Clownstick standing on the same stage as Kamala Harris would be on a Hannity forum on Fox News where they just yell at her for an hour.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:38:45pm

BernieBots desperate on Twitter, trying to project that he is the only hope to beat Trump.

Same old story.

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:40:10pm

Hi everyone.

Please forgive me for going off-topic. At work I’m having to use a Mac for the first time in my life. In Windows, when I download a file, say a jpeg for instance, I get the option “save as” so I can name it whatever I want right off the bat. Is there anyway to do this on a Mac?

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:41:11pm

re: #309 Scout

Select the file, right click and choose “save as”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:41:30pm

re: #294 Dread Pirate

[Embedded content]

re: #294 Dread Pirate

Bienvenidos a nuestro mundo nuevo, Señor Tucker. Pienso que usted necesita tomar una dosis grande de un laxante muy fuerte.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:41:37pm

re: #309 Scout

command-shift-s.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:42:11pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Pinche pendejo stupido.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:42:43pm

re: #310 retired cynic

Select the file, right click and choose “save as”.

This. If it’s a track pad on a laptop, tapping with one finger is left click and tapping with two fingers is right click.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:44:47pm

re: #314 teleskiguy

Yep.

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:45:41pm

Thanks everyone, but when I right click it just says things like “open link in new tab” and “bookmark this link.”

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:46:08pm

re: #269 BeachDem

And just a reminder—according to the founders of Emerge America (which trains Democratic women to run for office), Kamala was the inspiration for it.

Katy Perry - California Gurls (Official) ft. Snoop Dogg

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:48:04pm

re: #316 Scout

Where are you downloading the file? (desktop or download folder)

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:48:33pm

re: #318 jaunte

Where are you downloading the file? (desktop or download folder)

Desktop.

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:49:35pm

Here is what I get when I right click

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:49:45pm

I love my new MacBook. Magnificent little piece of technology.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:50:10pm

re: #319 Scout

Can you identify the file type? If it says “open link in new tab” you might have downloaded a browser alias.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:50:33pm
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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:50:54pm

re: #320 Scout

Here is what I get when I right click

[Embedded content]

That’s not a file. That’s a link. You need to open the link on a new tab or page, and then save the file from there.

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:50:56pm

I’m really sorry everyone. I should have said when I click on “download” on a website.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:52:01pm
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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:52:12pm

re: #325 Scout

You will get a web archive download, that will open as a browser page when you open it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:56:04pm
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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:56:28pm

re: #327 retired cynic

Again, I’m really sorry. Please allow me to start over.

In Windows, when I click on a “download” type button, I get the option to name what I’m going to download whatever I want. Is there anyway to do that with a Mac? Here is what I get. It allows for no options.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:57:14pm

re: #329 Scout

After you download it, you can name it anything.

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:58:16pm

re: #330 jaunte

After you download it, you can name it anything.

Agree. I’m not sure why it is written so that you can’t rename it in the process of saving to disk, but just download it and name it what you will.

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:58:27pm

re: #330 jaunte

After you download it, you can name it anything.

So, in other words, there is no way to do that at the time of download?

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2019 • 8:59:03pm

re: #332 Scout

Not that I know of, but it hasn’t been a great obstacle.

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:00:00pm

re: #332 Scout

So, in other words, there is no way to do that at the time of download?

It should, but it depends on how that download process is written. I’ve never seen one like that. Does “save” just save the file, or does it open a dialog box to let you choose the name and the location of the save?

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Scout  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:00:25pm

re: #333 jaunte

Thank you very much. I guess I’m just too used to Windows. I like that feature because A) it saves a step later and B) it’s easier for me to remember for when I go looking for it later.

But thanks again to you and everyone else!

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:01:20pm

re: #335 Scout

This is NOT standard Mac download action. Not sure what you are dealing with there.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:04:02pm

re: #293 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I think Biden’s comments about James Eastland were a “senior moment.” That would be all the more reason to use them against him. His time has passed.

Eastland was not just a segregationist. He was one of the worst of the pack, outspoken in ways that ordinary racists like Strom Thurmond were not.

The reason FDR was able to pass so many “liberal” New Deal policies is because he was hostage to Southern democrats and let them exclude black people from most of those policies. Even his grandest achievement, Social Security, specifically and deliberately excepted agricultural workers and domestic servants, so black people and hispanics were left out.

He also blocked anti-lynching legislation.

This is the Bernie tradition — it’s all about leftist economics for the white working class, and fuck everyone else.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:07:22pm
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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:07:46pm

re: #306 Ace Rothstein

Is she followed around in a department store because she’s black? Then she’s black.

Does she have a hard time hailing a yellow cab in NYC because she’s black? Then she’s black.

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sagehen  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:09:33pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bienvenidos a nuestro mundo nuevo, Señor Tucker. Pienso que usted necesita tomar una dosis grande de un laxante muy fuerte.

Yo, por mi parte, doy la bienvenida a nuestros nuevos señores guatemaltecos.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2019 • 9:26:38pm

re: #301 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I was stationed in Alaska in the 70’s and got to see the Denali from the air on a clear day flying between Ft. Rich and Ft. Wainright. There was a stream of snow blowing straight off the peak. Sight of a lifetime.


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