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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:09:05pm

This is all being overdramatized as more proof of “Democrats in disarray”, but I have to admit that running an old white guy against another old white guys might not be the strongest play on the Democrats’ part.

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:09:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:11:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:14:07pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I had the same thought on my drive to work this morning. I do expect fireworks whenever he debates the eventual Democratic candidate though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:15:30pm

Four of us at work are gathered around a TV watching Team USA.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:16:21pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Criswell Bacon has been predicting that Trump will not debate his opponent but will continue with the Nuremberg rallies.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:16:50pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:20:56pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is all being overdramatized as more proof of “Democrats in disarray”, but I have to admit that running an old white guy against another old white guys might not be the strongest play on the Democrats’ part.

Charlie Sykes has been dry humping the “Dems must nominate moderate to right leaning while male candidate who is in accordance with my policy goals” bullshit for awhile. Of course, he frames anything other than that as “LEFT WING DEMS WILL GUARANTEE FOUR MORE YEARS OF TRUMP UNLESS THEY LET US HAVE BIDEN OR HICKENLOOPER!!!”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:21:13pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Even if he does agree to appear at the debates, he will perform his usual shtick of chair humping, stalking up and down the stage, breathing down his opponent’s neck, shouting insults and juvenile nicknames and vomiting garbled word salad if asked a policy question.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:21:14pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Trump will share a stage for a “debate” only if he sees the opportunity to, um, not debate in any meaningful sense (instead lying and doing stuff that superficially asserts power, because narcissist).

Whether it happens is not just a function of who his opponent is, but whether the people around him can wind him up such that he feels safe to misbehave.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:21:44pm

re: #6 Joe Bacon 🌹

Criswell Bacon has been predicting that Trump will not debate his opponent but will continue with the Nuremberg rallies.

Kamela would destroy him.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:23:54pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I keep seeing people speculating about who Trump is going to face in the debates.

I’ll be surprised if Trump actually takes part in ANY debates. Why should he? He’ll concoct a fake outrage about bias or something and cancel them.

he’ll say his bone spurs are acting up
everyone will know he’s terrified

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:24:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:24:38pm

2-0 USA. Rapinoe just scored.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:24:54pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Even if he does agree to appear at the debates, he will perform his usual shtick of chair humping, stalking up and down the stage, breathing down his opponent’s neck, shouting insults and juvenile nicknames and vomiting garbled word salad if asked a policy question.

Of course he’ll appear, do all of that, plus his standard Gish Gallop. He can’t stand not to be the center of attention, even for a single day.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:25:22pm

re: #6 Joe Bacon 🌹

Criswell Bacon has been predicting that Trump will not debate his opponent but will continue with the Nuremberg rallies.

Donnie has too much a fragile ego NOT to debate. Besides, he loves getting in front of crowd even if it’s a debate where he’ll get his ass kicked. HRC beat him over and over in the debates, yet he still “won”.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:25:30pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Even if he does agree to appear at the debates, he will perform his usual shtick of chair humping, stalking up and down the stage, breathing down his opponent’s neck, shouting insults and juvenile nicknames and vomiting garbled word salad if asked a policy question.

hopefully, whoever is the dem nom will have learned what to say and do

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:25:44pm

re: #11 Scottish Dragon

Kamela would destroy him.

If anyone can, it will be her. Poor old Joe would just bumble around the stage like a confused old man.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:26:16pm

Just going to put it out there:

Trump will refuse to let the government conduct the census this next year without the citizenship question.

The census will not be done for the first time in our history, and Pelosi will not take action.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:27:59pm

re: #8 Scottish Dragon

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Charlie Sykes has been dry humping the “Dems must nominate moderate to right leaning while male candidate who is in accordance with my policy goals” bullshit for awhile. Of course, he frames anything other than that as “LEFT WING DEMS WILL GUARANTEE FOUR MORE YEARS OF TRUMP UNLESS THEY LET US HAVE BIDEN OR HICKENLOOPER!!!”

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:28:48pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

If anyone can, it will be her. Poor old Joe would just bumble around the stage like a confused old man.

And that is what really bothers me, because Joe was formidable in 2008 in debate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:29:23pm

re: #21 Scottish Dragon

And that is what really bothers me, because Joe was formidable in 2008 in debate.

With age comes cognitive decline.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:29:46pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I was musing about that on the last thread.

Trump could refuse, but then he’d be called a coward by the Democratic party nominee.

It’d make him look weak, and that’d be a huge no no for Trump. After all, his entire brand is that he’s a tough guy.

Would that be enough to get Trump to agree to the debates?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:32:45pm

re: #19 Scottish Dragon

Just going to put it out there:

Trump will refuse to let the government conduct the census this next year without the citizenship question.

The census will not be done for the first time in our history, and Pelosi will not take action.

Possibility #2: Trump will take no action at all, having just said that to get attention.

It’s something I’ve noticed he does, to tweet something dramatic and then not follow up with actually ordering it, like when he tweeted that he’d ‘ordered’ FEMA to stop giving aid to CA because we don’t rake our 33 million acres of forest.

But he had not given any such order, nor did he ever give any such order. But he made lots of news that day and his base loved it. Hell, they probably believe California has been cut off.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:33:00pm

re: #21 Scottish Dragon

Joe is old. It happens.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:33:23pm

re: #11 Scottish Dragon

Kamela would destroy him.

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:33:44pm

re: #21 Scottish Dragon

And that is what really bothers me, because Joe was formidable in 2008 in debate.

My favorite was 2012, when he made Paul Ryan look like the bad joke he is.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:34:01pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:34:52pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

Like a prosecutor who puts people like him in jail for life.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:35:28pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

Hopefully the way Hillary should have responded. “Do you need to use the bathroom Donald? Would you like us to take a break?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:36:03pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

Good question. HRC tried simply ignoring them. I suspect ridicule would work better, because look how he lost it when Clinton called him Putin’s puppet. And I can see Harris giving him a “Seriously?” look that would leave him not knowing what to do next.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:36:40pm

I could probably take a break from Twitter.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:38:17pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Possibility #2: Trump will take no action at all, having just said that to get attention.

It’s something I’ve noticed he does, to tweet something dramatic and then not follow up with actually ordering it, like when he tweeted that he’d ‘ordered’ FEMA to stop giving aid to CA because we don’t rake our 33 million acres of forest.

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But he had not given any such order, nor did he ever give any such order. But he made lots of news that day and his base loved it. Hell, they probably believe California has been cut off.

Yeah, it’s a coin toss….but it’s also a Steven Miller thing and Miller faps himself to sleep every night thinking about this shit. If he can get immigration protections removed from active duty service members for fucks sake, he can persuade Trump to refuse to do the census until they figure a way to get around SCOTUS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:41:18pm

re: #21 Scottish Dragon

re: #18 Skip Intro

If anyone can, it will be her. Poor old Joe would just bumble around the stage like a confused old man.

And that is what really bothers me, because Joe was formidable in 2008 in debate.

Given who he was debating - more like damning with faint praise….

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:42:55pm

re: #30 Skip Intro

Hopefully the way Hillary should have responded. “Do you need to use the bathroom Donald? Would you like us to take a break?”

she basically tried to ignore him and look like an adult

she didnt have a chance. my feeling is if she had done anything more directly, she’d have been called out for doing that. and likely it wouldnt have mattered anyway

and while i’d like to think whoever ends up going against him figures out what to say and do, this guy is some kind of bizarro bulletproof

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:44:37pm

re: #35 DangerMan

she basically tried to ignore him and look like an adult

she didnt have a chance. my feeling is if she had done anything more directly, she’d have been called out for doing that. and likely it wouldnt have mattered anyway

and while i’d like to think whoever ends up going against him figures out what to say and do, this guy is some kind of bizarro bulletproof

It’s important to remember that, for exactly the same reasons we all found his behavior infantile and stupid, his base thought it perfection on a stick.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:48:10pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s important to remember that, for exactly the same reasons we all found his behavior infantile and stupid, his base thought it perfection on a stick.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:48:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:49:23pm

re: #37 DangerMan

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That’s “on a steeeck”.
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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:51:37pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

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I really have been disappointed at the number of Republican analysts that the networks (including NPR) have brought on to opine about the debates. Stay in your fucking lane.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:51:54pm

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

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pptsapper is clearly reaching his breaking point. He’ll probably end up resigning his commission in the next year.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:51:55pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is all being overdramatized as more proof of “Democrats in disarray”, but I have to admit that running an old white guy against another old white guys might not be the strongest play on the Democrats’ part.

If they hadn’t had Biden and Sanders in the same stage there would have been Democrats claiming that the DNC was too chicken to put them together. Both of them got beaten by Harris.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:53:47pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

With age comes cognitive decline.

That and he and Sanders are fighting the previous war.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:53:52pm

re: #40 Mike Lamb

I really have been disappointed at the number of Republican analysts that the networks (including NPR) have brought on to opine about the debates. Stay in your fucking lane.

We are going to do this again in 33 days, ELEVEN more times before the convention. The GOP can bank every nickel to bury the remains.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:54:07pm

USA womens soccer team beats France 2-1 to advance to Semi-final.

Great job, ladies!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:54:33pm

re: #37 DangerMan

Upding for Jeff Dunham reference.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:54:55pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

She did a pretty good job with people yelling at each other last night.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:55:04pm

re: #43 Belafon

That and he and Sanders are fighting the previous war.

Stubbornness tends to come with age too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:55:20pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

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“You need to do what we did to beat you all those times!”

Okay, so appeal to racists with dogwhistles about welfare and food stamps; tell POCs and LGBT folks that they have to be quiet so as not to upset The White People; spew bullshit about tax cuts creating jobs and increasing tax revenues; use barely veiled references to murderous, rapey black men and Mexican* cartels and street gangs to frighten voters.

Nah. Not going that way.

* “Mexican” = anyone brown who’s not obviously Asian/Pacific Islander. Includes everyone south of, roughly, Oklahoma.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:57:25pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

pptsapper is clearly reaching his breaking point. He’ll probably end up resigning his commission in the next year.

I hope not.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2019 • 1:58:34pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

USA womens soccer team beats France 2-1 to advance to Semi-final.

Great job, ladies!

That was a fantastic match. The one thing I appreciate a bit more about the women’s game is that you don’t get the cagey matches you see with the men as the tournaments advance. Wide open, end-to-end play the entire time.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:01:02pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

USA womens soccer team beats France 2-1 to advance to Semi-final.

Great job, ladies!

All those fuckers who were complaining about Rapinoe?

She got both goals for the US. If the US wins the tourney, it’s entirely because Rapinoe got them there. If she doesn’t want to go to the WH because of the fucker Trump, that’s entirely within her right and privilege.

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Citizen K  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:02:00pm

re: #40 Mike Lamb

I really have been disappointed at the number of Republican analysts that the networks (including NPR) have brought on to opine about the debates. Stay in your fucking lane.

It’s disappointing and exhausting, but it’s also been essentially the way the playing field has been for the last 20 years. Republicans are the only ones deemed legitimate enough to truly opine on politics, regardless of how badly they’ve fucked up individually and as a party whole. Dems aren’t allowed to truly say anything unless it’s to bash other Dems.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:02:01pm

re: #40 Mike Lamb

I really have been disappointed at the number of Republican analysts that the networks (including NPR) have brought on to opine about the debates. Stay in your fucking lane.

I look at it this way - I’m happy to have them on the anti-Trump side. But, you know, a lot of them are very much responsible for Trump being President. And although Rick Wilson at least owned up to part of that, his prescriptions are still for Democrats to run essentially Jeb Bush and Nikki Haley.

The thing is, we lost in 2016 for a number of reasons, but we’d have won if black turn out had been higher and if “progressives” hadn’t voted for Jill Fucking Stein. So, if we have to decide between appealing to blacks and progressives - who ARE part of the Democratic Party - and Center-Right ex-Republicans who aren’t, I think we should go with our own. We won’t make up as much in the center as we could lose on the left.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:04:22pm

re: #51 Mike Lamb

That was a fantastic match. The one thing I appreciate a bit more about the women’s game is that you don’t get the cagey matches you see with the men as the tournaments advance. Wide open, end-to-end play the entire time.

The thing I really appreciate about the women’s game is the comparative lack of drama, dives, and histrionic bullshit. They just play their hearts out and if they look hurt you can be goddamned sure that they are hurt.

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A Cranky One  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:05:45pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

How is she going to react to his chair-humping, neck breathing and other juvenile antics?

I’d love it if she’d respond with a question like “are you stalking me like the other women you’ve assaulted ?”

Or kick him in the balls. Would definitely assure my vote.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:06:25pm

re: #35 DangerMan

He always has been. If I was a religious person I’d say he made a deal with the devil.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:09:16pm

Remember at one point in the debates in 2016 where Trump was basically lording over Clinton? Like right up behind her leering down almost?

I’d love to see Harris’ reaction if the orange shitweasel did that to her.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:11:33pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s “on a steeeck”.
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+1

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:11:58pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Remember at one point in the debates in 2016 where Trump was basically lording over Clinton? Like right up behind her leering down almost?

I’d love to see Harris’ reaction if the orange shitweasel did that to her.

It was really up to the moderators to call him on that. Of course, they didn’t. Now that he’s president, I think he’ll do even worse and again the moderators won’t say a word.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:15:36pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Remember at one point in the debates in 2016 where Trump was basically lording over Clinton? Like right up behind her leering down almost?

I’d love to see Harris’ reaction if the orange shitweasel did that to her.

Suggesting that Harris or any other possible candidate is just going to walk over Trump is another way of saying HRC was not a competent, prepared, experienced standardbearer. We still haven’t learned to regard the Trump threat.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:15:49pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

It was really up to the moderators to call him on that. Of course, they didn’t. Now that he’s president, I think he’ll do even worse and again the moderators won’t say a word.

It’s not up to the moderators (it should be, but they won’t do shit). At this point my vote will go to the candidate that will put him in his place with her words/actions/ideas.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:18:58pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

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As much as you seem to love using the F-word to smear voters who may be persuaded to vote Dem (and get rid of Trump)

her problem is she thinks she ought/needs/deserves to be ‘persuaded’ to vote D ‘to get rid of trump’

its really kinda basic though
- trump is running unopposed (so far) for the R nomination
- in the general, if the D’s get more electoral votes, that is the only thing that gets rid of trump
.:. Vote D

- fuck your fucking persuasion and fuck your fucking feelings
- to fucking get fucking rid of fucking trump, fucking vote fucking D
- otherwise you are a pig who supports a pig

there is no third way

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:21:52pm

re: #64 DangerMan

her problem is she thinks she ought/needs/deserves to be ‘persuaded’ to vote D ‘to get rid of trump’

its really kinda basic though
- trump is running unopposed (so far) for the R nomination
- in the general, if the D’s get more electoral votes, that is the only thing that gets rid of trump
.:. Vote D

- fuck your fucking persuasion and fuck your fucking feelings
- to fucking get fucking rid of fucking trump, fucking vote fucking D
- otherwise you are a pig who supports a pig

there is no third way

“My vote needs to be EARNED!”

Okay, so we won’t nominate Trump. There - your vote earned.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:24:47pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

“My vote needs to be EARNED!”

Okay, so we won’t nominate Trump. There - your vote earned.

I blocked her.

Before I did:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:25:27pm

re: #62 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s not up to the moderators (it should be, but they won’t do shit). At this point my vote will go to the candidate that will put him in his place with her words/actions/ideas.

I also want a candidate that can do a very convincing fake cough (and I’m not kidding. fuck trump).

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:27:19pm

re: #64 DangerMan

her problem is she thinks she ought/needs/deserves to be ‘persuaded’ to vote D ‘to get rid of trump’

its really kinda basic though
- trump is running unopposed (so far) for the R nomination
- in the general, if the D’s get more electoral votes, that is the only thing that gets rid of trump
.:. Vote D

- fuck your fucking persuasion and fuck your fucking feelings
- to fucking get fucking rid of fucking trump, fucking vote fucking D
- otherwise you are a pig who supports a pig

there is no third way

Also, I get the odd person time to time who claims I would never talk IRL the way I write on twitter.

Whooo boy. If anything, my language IRL is far, far worse. I don’t cuss in the classroom, but everywhere else, I talk just as I did o n the flghtline at Camp Mobile.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:28:47pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

It’s not even moral discomfort.

It’s aesthetic: they don’t want to look bad.

Hence why they never care about analysis of the outcomes of their policy positions—racist, discriminatory, strangling personal freedom, undemocratic—as “serious conservatives focused on fiscal policy” that has never created the results they claim it will. Hence why they have to flavor it with racist, sexist, LGBT-phobic pig feed to make it palatable to anyone.

They want to be the good guys but not actually be good, or answer to others’ criticisms of their “goodness,” or test the validity of their means by examining the ends achieved.

The recurring theme of the US “right” is that they operate from a selfish conclusion and proceed backwards to find arguments to justify that conclusion and simply refuse to acknowledge this thought process…as such, always operating in collective bad faith even if any individual is attempting to apply part of the thought process in good faith. Hence the endless, rolling revisionism of texts and events…ideas, stories, people exist only in so far as they have utility in the moment. As a consequence, you cannot trust any stated ideology once an individual has demonstrated the trend of bullshitting.

The value of what they say they intend (with lower taxes, with empty “free speech” arguments) has been rendered meaningless by the speed and casualness with which they discard what they “believed” (see: everything related to the Iraq War, or supply side economics) while denying that they were wrong:

The real measure of these folks is the outcomes they’ve been willing to tolerate while collaborating with people they find…distasteful but useful.

Viewed from that perspective, their only concern is their own convenience, and the rights of others and the lives of others simply do not matter.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:28:50pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

The thing I really appreciate about the women’s game is the comparative lack of drama, dives, and histrionic bullshit. They just play their hearts out and if they look hurt you can be goddamned sure that they are hurt.

I dunno. From a sporting culture perspective, the countries whose men’s teams are known to embellish have women’s teams that have similar tendencies—Brazil, Italy, Spain as examples.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:29:00pm

re: #62 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s not up to the moderators (it should be, but they won’t do shit). At this point my vote will go to the candidate that will put him in his place with her words/actions/ideas.

Right. Moderators or not, if I’m debating you and you get all up in my personal space you when you don’t need to be, you’re going to get some lip.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:30:20pm

re: #69 The Ghost of Quesos Past

(pssst. All of this is aesthetics.)

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:31:23pm

re: #66 Scottish Dragon

I blocked her.

Before I did:

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well done

i’da thrown a bunch of ‘fucks’ in
that’s why i have no followers

meanwhile, we’ve been watching “the good place”
they cant swear there
so there’s lots of “forking” and “what the fork” etc
though while they cant say those words, everyone knows what word they meant
Carlin touched on this a lot in the 70’s when he talked about the 7 words

as if saying it is worse than just thinking it
as if the word carries the power and not the idea

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:31:29pm

I was thinking about this kind of thing in the context of the kerfuffle over the 1994 Crime Bill.

What people in 2019 forget is that 1994 was 30 years into an unexplained, but dramatic and steady rise in all crime, particularly violent crime. We didn’t realize then that it was actually the apex of that trend, which then reversed itself for most of the last 25 years.

We had no reason at that time to think that was going to happen. We DID have reason to think it would simply keep getting worse. Look at the movies that were popular then - a LOT of vigilantism aimed at street crime - Death Wish, the Dirty Harry movies, RoboCop, etc. Similarly a lot of SciFi books of the time extrapolated these trends into whole areas of major cities essentially being ‘free-fire zones’, with the rich travelling in heavily armored, heavily armed transport and everyone else simply being at the mercy of it all.

So, that explains the 1994 Crime Bill. Biden would be well-advised to bring that up when challenged on it, and then say, “But we went too far, and we need to address the unintended consequence of the Incarceration State.”

The other thing? Trump’s supporters are still living that era in their minds. To them, the last 25 years of decreasing violent crime never happened. To them, crime kept increasing, in part because of all those people who look like the criminals in the 1970s and 1980s crime films have become more prevalent.

People say we should have sympathy for them, but I say we have to crush them at the ballot box, and maybe eventually they’ll figure it out, but we don’t have to hold up America for them to catch up, because maybe they never will.

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DangerMan  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:33:37pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

Right. Moderators or not, if I’m debating you and you get all up in my personal space you when you don’t need to be, you’re going to get some lip.

‘back up. you’re not going to assault me on national television”

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:36:23pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Similarly a lot of SciFi books of the time extrapolated these trends into whole areas of major cities essentially being ‘free-fire zones’, with the rich travelling in heavily armored, heavily armed transport and everyone else simply being at the mercy of it all

All of Heinlein’s material after 1965 or so. I Will Fear No Evil etc.

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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:41:03pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Unleaded Gas and loosened up abortion leading to fewer unwanted children had an amazing impact on lowering crime rates.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:43:00pm

meep meep

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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:43:01pm

re: #76 Scottish Dragon

Not so sure he was wrong about the balkanized US in Friday though (LOTS of other problems with that book but it was almost good compared. Job was good though).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:44:09pm

re: #76 Scottish Dragon

All of Heinlein’s material after 1965 or so. I Will Fear No Evil etc.

That’s exactly the book I was thinking of, but it’s true of a lot of others. Fear of crime, because of the unexpected rise, was rampant at the time. And by 1970 when he published that, he was already an Old White Guy.

There’s also the fact that most of SciFi then was written by White Guys, which also skewed things a bit. (probably also true now).

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Mattand  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:44:24pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

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meep meep

I so want to go in there and drop an Acme Bird Seed container where the one water dish is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:45:41pm

re: #81 Mattand

I so want to go in there and drop an Acme Bird Seed container where the one water dish is.

Or paint a tunnel on a nearby rock face…..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:47:38pm

re: #77 William Lewis

Unleaded Gas and loosened up abortion leading to fewer unwanted children had an amazing impact on lowering crime rates.

Yeah, although the Scientist in me keeps whispering “Correlation is not causation”, and “N = 1 is too small a statistical universe”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:49:18pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

BTW, I realized after I typed it that calling 1970 Robt. Heinlein ‘already an Old White Guy’ is somewhat problematic for me, since I’m only 1 1/2 years younger than he was then….

And white.

And, you know, a guy.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:50:18pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s exactly the book I was thinking of, but it’s true of a lot of others. Fear of crime, because of the unexpected rise, was rampant at the time. And by 1970 when he published that, he was already an Old White Guy.

There’s also the fact that most of SciFi then was written by White Guys, which also skewed things a bit. (probably also true now).

Because we spent 2-3 year blocks overseas, away from US television, we were sensitized to the changes when we returned. I love Lennie and Lawn Order, but the massive exposure to atrocity—spinoff after spinoff, syndicated 36/7, scared the shit out of Americans who never saw a Bronx tenement. That is still going on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:54:30pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Because we spent 2-3 year blocks overseas, away from US television, we were sensitized to the changes when we returned. I love Lennie and Lawn Order, but the massive exposure to atrocity—spinoff after spinoff, syndicated 36/7, scared the shit out of Americans who never saw a Bronx tenement. That is still going on.

Hell, just watch “Murder She Wrote” - there’s at least one death a week in a small town!
//

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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:56:16pm

So, I had a few moments, a handful of nails, a hammer and an empty wall…

Nothing exciting but it’s nice to get them up on the wall. Have a guitar stand for the other two but that’s because they’re the ones I am currently exercising with (my new one plus a short kindjal style for sword and buckler work. ).

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:57:04pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Hell, just watch “Murder She Wrote” - there’s at least one death a week in a small town!
//

Safe as babies compared to Chief Inspector Morse’s Oxford. I used Law and Order as the realistic, high-quality canon, but the cable-wide effect of all living-room slaughter is cumulative, of course.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 2:57:24pm

re: #87 William Lewis

Beats keeping them in an umbrella stand…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:01:37pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Because we spent 2-3 year blocks overseas, away from US television, we were sensitized to the changes when we returned. I love Lennie and Lawn Order, but the massive exposure to atrocity—spinoff after spinoff, syndicated 36/7, scared the shit out of Americans who never saw a Bronx tenement. That is still going on.

By the time I was 10, I had only spent a little over 11 months in the US, between my father’s assignments in the UK and Japan respectively. We didn’t have a TV in Japan in those days because Armed Forces TV did not exist yet and Japanese TV, which was already fairly advanced, was naturally all in Japanese. There was an exception: One of the networks ran Highway Patrol with Broderick Crawford in English twice a week. On those nights, we would all traipse over to a neighbor’s house to watch the only English language TV we could see. From that, I got the idea that the States were a mostly desolate place where people spent most of their time fighting, roaring up and down the highway in monstrous tail-finned cars, and shooting at each other. I was apprehensive when we headed out to our next assignment, in Colorado Springs, but I was wonderfully surprised. This was before the fundy invasion, of course, when it was a beautiful, progressive, and fairly peaceful place. It is still beautiful but it is now run and inhabited by swarms of crazy people.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:03:48pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

By the time I was 10, I had only spent a little over 11 months in the US, between my father’s assignments in the UK and Japan respectively. We didn’t have a TV in Japan in those days because Armed Forces TV did not exist yet and Japanese TV, which was already fairly advanced, was naturally all in Japanese. There was an exception: One of the networks ran Highway Patrol with Broderick Crawford in English twice a week. On those nights, we would all traipse over to a neighbor’s house to watch the only English language TV we could see. From that, I got the idea that the States were a mostly desolate place where people spent most of their time fighting, roaring up and down the highway in monstrous tail-finned cars, and shooting at each other. I was apprehensive when we headed out to our next assignment, in Colorado Springs, but I was wonderfully surprised. This was before the fundy invasion, of course, when it was a beautiful, progressive, and fairly peaceful place. It is still beautiful but it is now run and inhabited by swarms of crazy people.

Heh. Our first tour was Seoul in ‘80. AFKN was sort of in business, with the famously high body count of b&w Gunsmoke.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:07:23pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Heh. Our first tour was Seoul in ‘80. AFKN was sort of in business, with the famously high body count of Gunsmoke.

We listened to the radio version of Gunsmoke in Japan. This starred William Conrad as Matt Dillon.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:07:33pm

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that Trump will indeed agree to debates…but only if they’re on “friendly” terms. In other words, he’s going to insist on at least one debate being on Faux, he’s going to insist that they be “townhalls” so he can stalk around and be a creepy fucker on live TV, and he’s going to want moderators that are “fair” (i.e. will let him ramble at length and not call him on his BS).

For example, the way Maddow actually read aloud one of Bernie’s old quotes and then made clear it was a quote when he tried to claim it was “misinterpreted”? Yeah, Donny would have flipped his fucking lid on live TV.

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sagehen  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:09:03pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, although the Scientist in me keeps whispering “Correlation is not causation”, and “N = 1 is too small a statistical universe”.

The unleaded gas correlation has real evidence to back up the odds of causation.

That violent crimes started dropping 16 years after unleaded began replacing leaded gas… happened in multiple countries, and throughout the US. Some places had economic growth, some didn’t. Some had stricter policing, some didn’t. But every country, everywhere, had violent crime rates that rose and fell with a 16-year time lag between more leaded gas being sold, and less. Small towns, medium size towns, big cities. Neighborhoods near the freeway, and further from the freeway. The US, Europe, South America and Asia.

And there’s copious medical evidence of the mechanism for why childhood exposure to lead fumes or lead in the water makes people more violent when they reach the Prime Crime Years (late teens). Cognitive effects, diminished impulse control, etc.

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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:09:19pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Heh. Our first tour was Seoul in ‘80. AFKN was sort of in business, with the famously high body count of Gunsmoke.

True enough on the body count but at least they paid for decent writers who could do real dialog and knew what a plot was even within the genre’s tropes and confines. It’s the only TV western I can sit down and watch now. The rest just make me shake my head.

Now I really want to see an english translation of the German over dub of Hogan’s Heroes…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:12:56pm

Japanese TV in the 50s was inundated with Samurai adventure shows, most of which were very much like the westerns that dominated American TV during that period. Except for my brother Doug, who learned Japanese from our nanny as a toddler, we could not understand the words. We referred to them as “Japanese sword-fight movies.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:14:05pm

re: #87 William Lewis

So, I had a few moments, a handful of nails, a hammer and an empty wall…

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Nothing exciting but it’s nice to get them up on the wall. Have a guitar stand for the other two but that’s because they’re the ones I am currently exercising with (my new one plus a short kindjal style for sword and buckler work. ).

We have a sword hanging on the kitchen wall.
It gets used to hang plastic bags full of breads, cookies, candy, etc. that we want to keep out of reach from the dogs, cats, assorted rodents…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:14:36pm

re: #95 William Lewis

True enough on the body count but at least the paid for decent writers who could do real dialog and knew what a plot was even within the genre’s tropes and confines. It’s the only TV western I can sit down and watch now. The rest just make me shake my head.

Now I really want to see an english translation of the German over dub of Hogan’s Heroes…

Wife beat me by two tours to Bamberg/Vilseck in the early 50s and 60s. Little TV, but she did get to see Elvis.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:21:10pm

NPR resurfaces 1975 interview with Biden supporting constitutional amendment to end court-ordered busing

“That would clearly do it. We are trying to figure out whether or not we can come up with an innovative piece of legislation which would limit the remedy and I honestly don’t know whether we can come up with something constitutional,” Biden said when asked about an amendment. “I’m going to go at it through a constitutional amendment if it can’t be done through a piece of legislation.

thehill.com

Ouch

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:26:22pm

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:28:42pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

It does, however, open up the line of questioning as to whether he changed his beliefs on the topic, and if not why not.

Everyone has a past, and sometimes it matters and sometimes not (see Trumpers ignoring Trump’s history.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:29:33pm

re: #101 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It does, however, open up the line of questioning as to whether he changed his beliefs on the topic, and if not why not.

Everyone has a past, and sometimes it matters and sometimes not (see Trumpers ignoring Trump’s history.)

That approach is understandable. You would want to ensure that he has modified his beliefs.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:33:10pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

Nobody loved busing except bus manufacturers. It was a necessary stopgap, but it was horrible in execution and the burden fell dis-proportionally on AA kids. The harder, fairer answer was subsidized integration of neighborhoods, and that wasn’t going to happen fast. The greatest outcry was in the North, Southie Boston and madison WI IIRC. The South had less trouble with it because they used the local power structure to subvert public education with private segregation academies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:34:07pm

re: #87 William Lewis

So, I had a few moments, a handful of nails, a hammer and an empty wall…

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Nothing exciting but it’s nice to get them up on the wall. Have a guitar stand for the other two but that’s because they’re the ones I am currently exercising with (my new one plus a short kindjal style for sword and buckler work. ).

So which one is actually a gun?

//

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:35:07pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that Trump will indeed agree to debates…but only if they’re on “friendly” terms. In other words, he’s going to insist on at least one debate being on Faux, he’s going to insist that they be “townhalls” so he can stalk around and be a creepy fucker on live TV, and he’s going to want moderators that are “fair” (i.e. will let him ramble at length and not call him on his BS).

For example, the way Maddow actually read aloud one of Bernie’s old quotes and then made clear it was a quote when he tried to claim it was “misinterpreted”? Yeah, Donny would have flipped his fucking lid on live TV.

His opponent is going to have to do most of the moderating. and when trump calls her a nasty woman what is she going to say? (I really don’t have an answer to this, but I know the debate prep team is going to try and come up with something).

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:37:33pm

re: #99 Kilroy was here

NPR resurfaces 1975 interview with Biden supporting constitutional amendment to end court-ordered busing

thehill.com

Ouch

Didn’t we have someone here who disliked court ordered bussing? And it wasn’t DF.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:38:49pm

re: #77 William Lewis

Unleaded Gas and loosened up abortion leading to fewer unwanted children had an amazing impact on lowering crime rates.

Those were big, but I think other factors like the promise of civil rights without the results, the return of tens of thousands of Vietnam war vets from a disastrous adventure, the brutal economy of the 1970s….

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:38:58pm

re: #106 Belafon

Didn’t we have someone here who disliked court ordered bussing? And it wasn’t DF.

See my 103. It had to be done, but it had brutal impact on kids and the education budgets.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:38:59pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

I’m gonna have to disagree, if a candidate’s campaign strategy relies upon running on their record, then people are gonna look at that record and bring up the less savory parts of it. It’s sort of hard to fault anybody who digs through the dirt and turns up a pile of bones.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:40:24pm

re: #105 I Would Prefer Not To

His opponent is going to have to do most of the moderating. and when trump calls her a nasty woman what is she going to say? (I really don’t have an answer to this, but I know the debate prep team is going to try and come up with something).

“Such a nasty woman”

“You sexually assaulted over a dozen people”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:43:29pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s exactly the book I was thinking of, but it’s true of a lot of others. Fear of crime, because of the unexpected rise, was rampant at the time. And by 1970 when he published that, he was already an Old White Guy.

There’s also the fact that most of SciFi then was written by White Guys, which also skewed things a bit. (probably also true now).

There are many, many female sci-fi writers. I would also suggest that the ratio of good:poor female sci-fi writers is higher than men.

Ed-geeze, how many articles and nouns can I leave out?

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:43:47pm

re: #87 William Lewis

So, I had a few moments, a handful of nails, a hammer and an empty wall…

[Embedded content]

Nothing exciting but it’s nice to get them up on the wall. Have a guitar stand for the other two but that’s because they’re the ones I am currently exercising with (my new one plus a short kindjal style for sword and buckler work. ).

Anthropomorphic hilt Celtic swords….

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:45:07pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

It’s the refusal to come to grips with it that will torpedo his candidacy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:46:14pm

Yikes!

The record high here at Mineral Wells was 113.9 degrees on June 29, 1980. We are more than 10 degrees farther south than Villevieille.

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sagehen  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:46:31pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

Unless it reinforces things he’s been saying THIS WEEK.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:47:16pm

re: #113 Scottish Dragon

It’s the refusal to come to grips with it that will torpedo his candidacy.

Yes, that could well do so.

I was more pointing out that if someone popped out solely the interview I would not toss Biden’s candidacy on the trash heap without doing further investigation/research to see whether his viewpoint and policies regarding race relations had changed since then.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:48:12pm

Joe stood up on stage last night and responded to Kamala’s criticism of his past by reaching even further back into said past. He reached all the way back to when he was a practicing lawyer and public defender, white predates his election to Congress. So yes, much like in a court of law, he opened the door to criticism of his past by using it to defend himself.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:49:26pm

re: #105 I Would Prefer Not To

“Thank you for that Mr. President. If “xyz naming off every progressive and moral ideal” makes me a nasty woman, then I’m the nastiest bitch you’ll ever come face to face with.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:49:44pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sorry, but a *44* year-old interview should not torpedo Biden’s candidacy.

Biden fans could call this “Byrding” after Senator Robert Byrd, whose KuKluxKlan membership in his 20s was notorious. He was required to explain himself, and explain himself he did, with a comprehensive public rejection of his earlier attitudes. The same should be required of Biden before he can go any further.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:50:24pm

re: #118 GlutenFreeJesus

“Thank you for that Mr. President. If “xyz naming off every progressive and moral ideal” makes me a nasty woman, then I’m the nastiest bitch you’ll ever come face to face with.”

works for me.

and this made me like her more

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:51:29pm

re: #120 I Would Prefer Not To

Should they win, he won’t even bother inviting them.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:52:16pm

re: #121 GlutenFreeJesus

Should they win, he won’t even bother inviting them.

They can find a Burger King on their own.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:52:38pm

re: #121 GlutenFreeJesus

Should they win, he won’t even bother inviting them.

The next president can invite them for a belated celebration.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:52:55pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yikes!

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The record high here at Mineral Wells was 113.9 degrees on June 29, 1980. We are more than 10 degrees farther south than Villevieille.

Mineral Wells. That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

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A Cranky One  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:53:38pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

They can find a Burger King on their own.

And have an appetite since Trump won’t be around to spoil it.

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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:53:41pm

re: #112 Scottish Dragon

Anthropomorphic hilt Celtic swords….

From a custom smith in Oklahoma. I got a huge discount because the straight sided one has some stains on the metal and the other was thrown in for silly cheap. Very nice blades, quite good replicas of late model iron blades but made in modern 5160 :D These are not going to bend that easily…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:54:50pm

re: #124 Belafon

Mineral Wells. That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

I had orders for there in 1965, to be an 84 Bravo photographer. Threw myself out of a duece and screwed it up.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:55:23pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:56:44pm

Once again, AOC answers the call. I’m going for my beach walk

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:57:02pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Brace yourselves, Cthulu is coming!

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Mattand  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:57:14pm

re: #113 Scottish Dragon

It’s the refusal to come to grips with it that will torpedo his candidacy.

Pretty much this.

If he just puts on the brakes now and goes “You know what? I fucked up. I’ve been tone-deaf about race, as a few weeks, ago. I need to and will do better for the sake of the country”, his problems are severely curbed.

I just don’t think Uncle Joe has it in him. I think he’s got that ego problem that Bill Clinton had. Actually the same thing Trump has. Never admit to a mistake.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 3:59:50pm

re: #131 Mattand

Pretty much this.

If he just puts on the brakes now and goes “You know what? I fucked up. I’ve been tone-deaf about race, as a few weeks, ago. I need to and will do better for the sake of the country”, his problems are severely curbed.

I just don’t think Uncle Joe has it in him. I think he’s got that ego problem that Bill Clinton had. Actually the same thing Trump has. Never admit to a mistake.

The big problem (IMHO) is that Joe really only has his record to run on. And, as we saw last night, that’s been found wanting in a modern Dem presidential field. He tried to boast about how he’d managed to get Sen Yertle to agree on bills, only to immediately get dunked on for agreeing as part of those bills to make Dubya’s tax cuts permanent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:00:53pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

They can find a Burger King on their own.

and drive past it to an actual restaurant that serves really good food.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:01:17pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hahahahaha.

Well played.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:02:48pm

Just waiting for Trump to have a winning basketball team comprised mostly of blacks and have KFC instead of the usual burgers, and say, “Do I know what You People like, or what?”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:03:57pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Friend from Peru’s family thought the people of the 🇺🇸 were idiots, because of the laugh tracks on the shows they watched.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:04:28pm

Time to cook. (mmm Maruchan). Fingers are probably not broken, just making ugly popping noises.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:04:47pm

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:05:40pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

Fuck, is he still alive?

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:06:41pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Fuck, is he still alive?

Nah, he’s a fucking lich.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:07:15pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Fuck, is he still alive?

Yeah but he doesn’t look anything like his picture any more.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:08:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:09:31pm

re: #131 Mattand

Pretty much this.

If he just puts on the brakes now and goes “You know what? I fucked up. I’ve been tone-deaf about race, as a few weeks, ago. I need to and will do better for the sake of the country”, his problems are severely curbed.

I just don’t think Uncle Joe has it in him. I think he’s got that ego problem that Bill Clinton had. Actually the same thing Trump has. Never admit to a mistake.

he still has to fix that “son” vs “boy” thing…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:15:40pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

Sorry Bryan, you fail. The Bible says we are ALL God’s Children and this planet was made for ALL of us.

Care to try again?

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fern01  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:20:52pm

re: #21 Scottish Dragon

And that is what really bothers me, because Joe was formidable in 2008 in debate.

If you mean the VP debate - he was debating Palin - it was not difficult to appear all knowing and smart in that situation. In the primaries he dropped out.

For me Joe is an OK Joe. I didn’t see anything of particular value that he did in his 8 years with President Obama - although he may have done much to support the latter without my knowledge. I did see that he got no-where with the gun debate when given that task.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:23:07pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Fuck, is he still alive?

Was he ever? The guy is a blood sucking vampire.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:34:37pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

Is this some new thing they’ve come up with? This is the second time I’ve seen this in two days, and it certainly sounds like the sort of thing these simpleminded yutzes find so impressive and think will completely shut the Libs up.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:34:49pm

GOP man screaming over a woman, because of course.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:37:52pm

Even leaving aside the whole National Security aspects of this, this is cringe-inducingly needy.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:38:56pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

Even leaving aside the whole National Security aspects of this, this is cringe-inducingly needy.

[Embedded content]

“Kim, you haven’t called me today! CALL ME!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:45:19pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

“Kim, you haven’t called me today! CALL ME!”

“Hello? It’s me, Don - AGAIN! Look, I realize I’ve left you…well, a LOT of messages, but really, I just want to talk! I know you’re busy, and you said you just wanted to be friends, and I respect that, but how can we be friends if you won’t call back? Maybe I’ll drop a bomb on you if you don’t call me? HAHAHA!!! Just kidding!!! I’d never do that! It was a joke! Really! But, you know, PLEASE call me! Okay, bye!….This is Don. You have my number, right? Or you could just push redial. Okay, really, this time - bye!…….Or you could write a letter, you know how much I LOVE your letters! But, you know, SOON. Okay, bye.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:47:23pm

re: #151 Blind Frog Belly White

“Hello? It’s me, Don - AGAIN! Look, I realize I’ve left you…well, a LOT of messages, but really, I just want to talk! I know you’re busy, and you said you just wanted to be friends, and I respect that, but how can we be friends if you won’t call back? Maybe I’ll drop a bomb on you if you don’t call me? HAHAHA!!! Just kidding!!! I’d never do that! It was a joke! Really! But, you know, PLEASE call me! Okay, bye!….This is Don. You have my number, right? Or you could just push redial. Okay, really, this time - bye!…….Or you could write a letter, you know how much I LOVE your letters! But, you know, SOON. Okay, bye.”

If Kim isn’t careful, he might find a pot with a boiled bunny waiting for him.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:48:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:48:53pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We listened to the radio version of Gunsmoke in Japan. This starred William Conrad as Matt Dillon.

We didn’t have a TV until 1959. I remember hearing Gunsmoke with William Conrad and John Dehner was Paladin on Radio’s Have Gun Will Travel!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:54:26pm

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:55:04pm

I hope the power stays on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:55:14pm
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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:59:07pm

‘Are you not entertained?’ — Megan Rapinoe goes full gladiator mode vs. France after sparring with Trump

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2019 • 4:59:13pm

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

Could someone please explain the logic behind deporting men and women who voluntarily serve in our military (and their families)? It doesn’t make a lick of sense on multiple levels. This just lowers the morale of other military personnel.

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fern01  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:00:25pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

Even leaving aside the whole National Security aspects of this, this is cringe-inducingly needy.

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Only word I can think of is pitiful Like someone pleading for kindness from an abuser.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:00:33pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Could someone please explain the logic behind deporting men and women who voluntarily serve in our military (and their families)? It doesn’t make a lick of sense on multiple levels. This just lowers the morale of other military personnel.

The logic is simple: They’re brown. Full stop.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:00:38pm

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

GOP man screaming over a woman, because of course.

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It was glorious to see John Fetterman ignore that fucking Republican!

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:01:49pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Could someone please explain the logic behind deporting men and women who voluntarily serve in our military (and their families)? It doesn’t make a lick of sense on multiple levels. This just lowers the morale of other military personnel.

White nationalism.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:01:53pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:02:39pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’re not gonna be able to outrun it, Joe. You’re gonna have to confront it sooner or later. Better sooner than later, so that any outrage has had time to pass.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:03:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:05:13pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Fuck, is he still alive?

Yeah, the bears haven’t gotten him. Yet.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:06:03pm

Honestly, I suspect what’s going on at Team Biden is a belief that they can just “ride out” this whole racism business. “They’ll get over it” is the empty assurance going around, the idea that if they just keep their heads down then the base will “move on” to a topic on which Joe can seem like the wise elder to the field of squabbling children.

It ain’t so, Joe.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:06:30pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

You’re not gonna be able to outrun it, Joe. You’re gonna have to confront it sooner or later. Better sooner than later, so that any outrage has had time to pass.

Now lost his largest financial backer today. That guy said he expects others to follow suit.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:07:20pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

Honestly, I suspect what’s going on at Team Biden is a belief that they can just “ride out” this whole racism business. “They’ll get over it” is the empty assurance going around, the idea that if they just keep their heads down then the base will “move on” to a topic on which Joe can seem like the wise elder to the field of squabbling children.

It ain’t so, Joe.

It’s exactly the same thing the other old white man is hoping to do. And that’s not something the Democratic party can accept.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:07:22pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Could someone please explain the logic behind deporting men and women who voluntarily serve in our military (and their families)? It doesn’t make a lick of sense on multiple levels. This just lowers the morale of other military personnel.

Nobody actually matters.

Scary different people have to be hurt to establish a power dynamic that feels “safe.”

People that have utility can be temporarily accommodated—appeased, told the right thing things—that make them compliant…

…but ultimately they don’t matter, and should just be grateful they’re permitted perform their function as commanded rather than be hurt.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:10:25pm

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Republicans are becoming increasingly unhinged. No joke.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:10:44pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:12:42pm

re: #171 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Sorry if that’s opaque, but I’m deadly serious.

They don’t care about morale because ultimately they don’t view soldiers as people.

And they never have. Hence the cult of dead soldiers contrasted with the condescension heaped on the survivors who are damaged.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:12:49pm

re: #169 MsJ

Now lost his largest financial backer today. That guy said he expects others to follow suit.

It would seem that the initial takes from some last night that Joe had done well enough (I’m lookin’ at you, Josh) were a bit optimistic.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:12:56pm

re: #171 The Ghost of Quesos Past

People who volunteer in our military aren’t “scary different people” though. They’re volunteering to defend this country from enemies domestic and abroad. Deporting them is just a prick move with no discernible upside or benefit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:13:24pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

People who volunteer in our military aren’t “scary different people” though. They’re volunteering to defend this country from enemies domestic and abroad. Deporting them is just a prick move with no discernible upside or benefit.

“Scary different people” = non-whites.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:16:18pm

re: #174 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Sorry if that’s opaque, but I’m deadly serious.

They don’t care about morale because ultimately they don’t view soldiers as people.

And they never have. Hence the cult of dead soldiers contrasted with the condescension heaped on the survivors who are damaged.

I said once that the wingnuts only have two uses for soldiers: martyrs and campaign set pieces.

I stick by that statement because it remains true. These are people who passed around rumors that both Max Cleland and John Kerry injured themselves through their own idiocy if not intentionally in order to impugn their service records. A cult that worships at the altar of a man whose war-time service in WWII was starring in propaganda movies.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:16:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:17:51pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Did you get any info from Twitter on why you were suspended?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:19:03pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Repeat what I wrote the other day - time has passed Joe by.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:19:40pm

Not all 70 year olds are tone deaf to their contemporary culture… but some are. Biden is the latter I think.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:21:11pm
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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:23:07pm

re: #173 Dread Pirate

Those two are worth saving for the next time you see a MAGAt.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:23:18pm

re: #182 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not all 70 year olds are tone deaf to their contemporary culture… but some are. Biden is the latter I think.

I’d argue that Biden’s issue is (as I noted above) that he really only have his record to run on. Or, as one Farker put it earlier today, he’s set up perfectly to run…as Obama’s VP in 2008. His campaign would have been much more successful a decade ago, when the party was older, whiter, and more forgiving of shit done in the Civil Rights Era. Hell, I found myself imaging last night the sort of bloody knife fight that would have broke out had he and Hillary actually run against each other in 2016, as each tried to one-up the other for how much they’d done for minorities as white people back-in-the-day.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:23:46pm

Contemporary America is where Trump is trying to install a new era of fascism and where old time religious conservatives want to turn back to before the Civil Rights era.

If any Democratic candidate cannot directly address that and counter those backward movements, said candidate does not belong on stage as a contender.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:25:20pm

People are really sensitive about criticisms of Biden’s health, so I deleted a tweet about this last night. But watching it again I found it even more striking how much Biden slurred his words and sort of lost the thread. He’s been at it so long he still manages to pull it off most of the time, but honestly I think there’s something not good going on there.

Maybe I’ll have to delete this comment too. But this is a problem that doesn’t go away if we ignore it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:26:29pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

No knock against Biden, and I know there are advantages to age and wisdom, but I’m sick of old white people running the country. We could use a little youth and a little color.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:29:37pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:30:58pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Could someone please explain the logic behind deporting men and women who voluntarily serve in our military (and their families)? It doesn’t make a lick of sense on multiple levels. This just lowers the morale of other military personnel.

Since the past they seek to preserve is largely imaginary, Trump and the conservatives are unaware that enlisting non-citizens is a time honored tradition in the US armed forces.
More than half the cavalrymen who died with Custer at Little Bighorn were foreign born.

One who survived was Lt. Charles DeRudio, an Italian aristocrat whose career reads like lurid fiction. He survived a shipwreck as a young man, then joined a group of revolutionaries who tried to assassinate Napoleon III at the Paris Opera. Unlike some of his colleagues, he avoided the guillotine and was sent to Devil’s Island. He escaped and made his way to the US, where he joined the Union Army during the Civil War. He was the most wanted man in Europe by then, but the army had little regard for French justice and was interested in keeping any warm body they could acquire. He survived the war, and stayed on, joining the 7th cavalry in 1867. He survived Little Bighorn because Custer disliked him and replaced him with one of his favorites, Lt. Algernon Smith, as commander of Company E. Smith and “E” rode with Custer to the center of the village and were wiped out. DeRudio, meanwhile, had been assigned to Major Marcus Reno, who attacked the south side of the village. Left behind in the subsequent rout, DeRudio and Private Thomas O’Neill (also an immigrant, btw) spent 36 harrowing hours hiding in the bushes along the Little Bighorn creek.
Amazingly, DeRudio lived to be 78, dying of natural causes in 1910.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:31:53pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:32:00pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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Dim Jim beclowned? Quick, let me put on my shocked face…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:32:03pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Aging is idiosyncratic though of course there is a basic trajectory for humans.

I’ve known people in the 70’s who are quite sharp and fast of wit and engaged in what is happening around them.

And I’ve known plenty of people in their 60’s who have for practical purposes checked out and are just waiting to expire.

But for running for Presidency, especially the need to counter the attacks on decency that the Trump engine engages, we need someone with a great deal of insight and energy to hammer Trump and Trumpers and the entire GOP relentlessly.

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Archangelus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:33:33pm

Came across this earlier, really sums up the whole Harris POC matter properly IMHO:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:33:43pm

My mother is in the hospital. She had tachycardia, which they tried to correct today by running wires up from her groin area and burning out particular parts of the heart.

I did not know she was in the hospital until she called me late this afternoon herself (with a very scratchy voice from a tube down her throat this morning). No one in my family would call either my sister or myself because they have disowned us due to their religious beliefs.

I called my sister to fill her in since my mother could only talk long enough for one short call.

She is expected to be released in a day or two, and the medicos will find out whether the procedure was successful.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:33:43pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Did you get any info from Twitter on why you were suspended?

Nothing yet.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:34:42pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

Prayers to your family. And that royally sucks that you had to find out that way. You know my story, you know why I am the way I am, and I feel you.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:35:15pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry to hear that. Family members can be so mean sometimes.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:35:17pm

re: #191 Belafon

From that picture, it looks like some deity started by designing long legs and then realized they have to attach a control system.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:36:26pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:37:07pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

You’re right…it’s a bad move that makes no sense…but the people making these kinds of decisions are doing so from inside a head-space that’s hard to simulate. These aren’t people working from the same operational premises, and thus their “logic” about how this will work doesn’t make sense.

The closest I can come to explaining it is to repeat their operational premises—post 171—from which the closest thing they do to “logic” emanates.

Some of these people are basically narcissists and don’t think about other people as people, so they don’t care what soldiers feel any more than they care about immigrants. People only exist as functional units and as threats. They won’t anticipate a morale problem and when one arises they’ll hate and resent the soldiers with morale problems.

Some of these people are doing magical thinking, where the thing they want for purely self-fulfilling reasons…like brown people gone…will fix everything else even though they can’t explain the mechanism of how that works. So morale won’t be an issue. When it doesn’t work, they’ll deny their idea was flawed.

Some of these people see themselves as the top of an inherent hierarchy—the “betters” that make everything work for everyone else—and view everyone else as subordinate, and thus perceive a lot of relationships in terms of deference and receipt of gratitude. Soldiers may be feted, but they’re also expected to do what they’re told by the higher orders.

Most of the assholes on the right lash together narcissism, nihilism, and aristocratic sentiment in some combination. As a consequence, none of the shit they do makes a lot of sense.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:37:26pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

After watching Megan Rapinoe and her retinue of talented teammates dismantle the French this afternoon, one of my co-workers commented to me, “Between Trump and the US Women’s Team, it’s a bad day to be an American in France.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:39:25pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

Ablation is used to control tachycardia. That is what the wires are used for. For some reason that could not be used in my late mom’s case. Her pacemaker (natural) was oblong and when the tachycardia would start you could actually feel a double beat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:40:15pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:41:00pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:42:14pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

I hope you didn’t take that down on my account. I may not always agree but I would hope it wouldn’t come to that.

The mans been through hell and back. And sees a void.
All this purity and left and left crap has me concerned. Getting tinpot out should be the only pressing issue.
I’ve said this before. All I want is some stability and a few quiet days….

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:42:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:44:21pm

re: #197 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #198 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thank you for your kind thoughts. My mother should be alright in a day or two.

re: #203 PhillyPretzel

Ablation is used to control tachycardia. That is what the wires are used for. For some reason that could not be used in my late mom’s case. Her pacemaker (natural) was oblong and when the tachycardia would start you could actually feel a double beat.

That was the term she used to describe her procedure this morning (I couldn’t remember it when I posted my comment).

A double heartbeat would feel really weird.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:46:38pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

Yes. It is an odd feeling. And since it is fast it makes it difficult to count. The highest I ever counted was close to 200 beats a minute.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:47:29pm

re: #206 Dave In Austin

VP Biden has lost so much in his life, I agree.

But that is more a reason for him to go take care of himself, than it is for someone else to vote for him.

I like him for a couple of reasons but it became very clear that he is just out of time. He’s a throwback to an era when walking a tightrope in this country, between say civil rights on the one hand and coddling old-time bigots on the other (for the sake of their votes) was de rigueur in the Democratic Party leadership.

That day is over, it has to be over.

Biden strikes me as someone who thinks he’s running in 1980 against Reagan. In that election Biden would have been seen as a reasonable alternative to Reagan. But today Biden just seems to miss why certain issues are hot buttons.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:48:01pm

re: #206 Dave In Austin

I hope you didn’t take that down on my account. I may not always agree but I would hope it wouldn’t come to that.

The mans been through hell and back. And sees a void.
All this purity and left and left crap has me concerned. Getting tinpot out should be the only pressing issue.
I’ve said this before. All I want is some stability and a few quiet days….

Your remark goes to the meme I see occasionally which says something like “the Democratic candidate may not be your first choice. She or he may support things which you don’t. Deal with it.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:50:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:54:31pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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he has no clue about the definition of “friend”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:57:39pm

Well, the temperature here dropped below 100°F just now (yay 98). Today’s high was 107.

No rain on the radar. The NWS says we might get some tomorrow.

I was talking with a couple farmers in Scottsbluff yesterday. They said they were glad for a break in the rain (we’re way over our annual amount), but damn hot makes it damn hard to work in the fields.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2019 • 5:59:09pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:01:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:07:52pm
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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:08:00pm

re: #206 Dave In Austin

I hope you didn’t take that down on my account. I may not always agree but I would hope it wouldn’t come to that.

The mans been through hell and back. And sees a void.
All this purity and left and left crap has me concerned. Getting tinpot out should be the only pressing issue.
I’ve said this before. All I want is some stability and a few quiet days….

So, Gabbard or Williamson?

While I will vote for any Democrat, right now we can choose to figure out which person will be able to begin fixing stuff. And I think a safe, conservative choice will be uninspiring and depress Democratic turnout.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:15:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:16:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:17:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:19:26pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn. I don’t think a flamethrower would be enough. Might need to nuke it from orbit to be sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:22:46pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

Damn. I don’t think a flamethrower would be enough. Might need to nuke it from orbit to be sure.

Jim is more of an old school hands-on kind of guy

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:23:22pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jim is more of an old school hands-on kind of guy

I torched a smaller nest with a can of gasoline and a box of matches, but on that scale? I’m calling the National Guard, kthxbai.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:26:03pm

Well, for those of you who fear pineapple on pizza…

How about…

PINEAPPLE ON HOT DOGS??????

denshotdogs.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:26:35pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

I like pineapple on pizza, but this … monstrosity …

GET. OUT.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:27:47pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’d eat that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:34:01pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:34:02pm

Okay, aside from the main issue (i.e deSantis being a disenfranchising douchenozzle), I have a question - why the actual fuck do people have to identify their race when registering to vote?! There is NOTHING like this in Canada, nothing remotely close!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:34:06pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, for those of you who fear pineapple on pizza…

How about…

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PINEAPPLE ON HOT DOGS??????

denshotdogs.com

Aidell’s makes a pineapple bacon smoked sausage that’s pretty darned tasty

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:34:07pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, for those of you who fear pineapple on pizza…

How about…

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PINEAPPLE ON HOT DOGS??????

denshotdogs.com

why joe why

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:35:01pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

why joe why

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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Archangelus  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:36:24pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, for those of you who fear pineapple on pizza…

How about…

[Embedded content]

PINEAPPLE ON HOT DOGS??????

denshotdogs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:39:17pm

when one considers the composition of the typical hot dog, adding pineapple would appear to be an improvement

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garzooma  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:40:18pm

re: #229 Interesting Times

Okay, aside from the main issue (i.e deSantis being a disenfranchising douchenozzle), I have a question - why the actual fuck do people have to identify their race when registering to vote?!

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I’m pretty sure they don’t *have* to. It’s usually optional, just for informational purposes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:41:31pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, for those of you who fear pineapple on pizza…

How about…

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PINEAPPLE ON HOT DOGS??????

That is enough to convince me that marketing people are really demons, and I don’t believe in demons.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:44:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:45:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:49:08pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:50:31pm

re: #239 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Just when you think that asshole can’t get any assholeyer…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:51:32pm

re: #235 garzooma

I’m pretty sure they don’t *have* to. It’s usually optional, just for informational purposes.

Optional in Alabama. I encourage self-identification because it generates some useful data for political sci/sociology types.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:53:59pm

re: #229 Interesting Times

Okay, aside from the main issue (i.e deSantis being a disenfranchising douchenozzle), I have a question - why the actual fuck do people have to identify their race when registering to vote?! There is NOTHING like this in Canada, nothing remotely close!

Identifying race is a leftover from Jim Crow days after Reconstruction. That combined with felon disenfranchisement laws, and felony laws disproportionately applied to freed slaves and other minorities allowed white supremacist governance to continue.

When the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965, such disenfranchisement laws were kept on the books under rubrics such as “tough on crime.” Nixon’s so-called War on Drugs was primarily targeted at minority communities for the purpose of disenfranchisement.

Don’t call conservatives racists though, that hurts their feelings.

In most democratic nations, people convicted of similar crimes can vote (sometimes while in jail).

In Nebraska, a felon who has completed his or her sentence has his or her voting rights restored after two years, unless convicted for treason under state law. (The law was changed to restore felon voting rights in 2005.)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:56:56pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

I saw this in Rome, too. I thought it was pretty cool.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:57:19pm

re: #226 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I like pineapple on pizza, but this … monstrosity …

GET. OUT.

I’ve had fish with pineapple and tomato, and a sauce on pork that was partially made from pineapple. I don’t see how this would be much different.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 6:58:59pm

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

Uhhh. It works for a racial, gender or other minority to demonstrate their power through counting registered voters. The only thing all politicians can do is count votes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:00:34pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Uhhh. It works for a racial, gender or other minority to demonstrate their power through counting registered voters. The only thing all politicians can do is count votes.

This is a list by state of what’s required to regain your voting rights if convicted as a felon in the USA.

Two states do not strip voting rights at all (Maine and Vermont). In those states you can vote while in prison during your sentence.

nonprofitvote.org

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:02:35pm

not sure who this “us” is that Evan is referring to
aside from that though…

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:03:02pm

And every person for themselves is what will get most people killed.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:03:15pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹

This is a list by state of what’s required to regain your voting rights if convicted as a felon in the USA.

Two states do not strip voting rights at all (Maine and Vermont). In those states you can vote while in prison during your sentence.

nonprofitvote.org

Alabama too, if your felony was not one of a small list of “moral turpitude” crimes. A friend has forced several sheriffs to let him register voters in the jail. Prisoners also vote by mail as “absentee” from their home county.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:03:41pm
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:05:34pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:05:41pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Most conservatives aren’t following liberals for their insights. On the other hand, I am following a few Never-Trumper types.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:10:06pm

re: #250 MsJ

He’s lying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:10:21pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

not sure who this “us” is that Evan is referring to
aside from that though…

He replied in that thread.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:12:53pm

Oh, I missed FormerDirtDart posting that.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:13:22pm

re: #253 Dread Pirate

He’s lying.

[Embedded content]

Always.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:13:50pm

Into the tundra today.

Moose! Caribou! Ravens! Ground squirrels! Hikers! Magpie! Prairie dogs! Dall specks sheep! Glaciers! (No bears.)

…And Denali, but that’s so yesterday.

Still bloody hot, and the permafrost is definitely melting.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:13:57pm

About time.

Texas bishop escorts migrants across the border in protest of U.S. policy
nydailynews.com

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Cheechako  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:18:20pm

re: #257 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Into the tundra today.

Moose! Caribou! Ravens! Ground squirrels! Hikers! Magpie! Prairie dogs! Dall specks sheep! Glaciers! (No bears.)

…And Denali, but that’s so yesterday.

Still bloody hot, and the permafrost is definitely melting.

Going to be hot till Mon/Tue, then cool a little for a day or so, and then back to being hot.
Enjoy the weather (and Alaska)!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:21:05pm

re: #259 Cheechako

Going to be hot till Mon/Tue, then cool a little for a day or so, and then back to being hot.
Enjoy the weather (and Alaska)!

Damn, if it gets any hotter here, we’re coming back. Maybe to stay.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:28:00pm
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Cheechako  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:28:05pm

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

Damn, if it gets any hotter here, we’re coming back. Maybe to stay.

Think twice. It was 88 at my house today.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:28:37pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:28:58pm

re: #262 Cheechako

Think twice. It was 88 at my house today.

87 when I rocked into town after work today here in the wild north country (which is considerably south of your location). Supposed to get above 90, but the 4th of July - which has, in recent years, seen temps nearing triple digits - is supposed to be rainy and cooler.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:32:33pm

re: #259 Cheechako

Charts on observed temperatures in Alaska cities and towns showing how dramatically the climate is changing in the last twenty years.

climate.gi.alaska.edu

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:39:32pm

re: #252 Belafon

Most conservatives aren’t following liberals for their insights. On the other hand, I am following a few Never-Trumper types.

“Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.”—Micheal Corleone, “The Godfather 2”

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Cheechako  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:40:22pm

EMERGENCY HOT WEATHER SAFETY MESSAGE - CAUTION WHEN PURCHASING ICE

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:47:42pm
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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:51:42pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:52:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:55:05pm

https://www.wonkette.com/david-brooks-wants-to-know-why-dems-cant-just-nominate-a-nice-republican (Goes to Wonkette)

If there is anything David Brooks likes, it is someone telling him how pretty he is.

In his column today at the New York Times, Brooks begs Democrats to do the “sensible” thing and not “lose” him by going too far left, as if we (or anyone else, for that matter) wanted him to begin with. He’s been doing this for a while. He appears to be under the impression that his vote is the most important of all possible votes and that any candidate who does not pander to him, David Brooks, a man who lives in New York City and whose vote probably isn’t going to count much regardless of who he votes for, is bound to lose. His own party is messed up as hell and instead of trying to help clean it up, or godforbid tell them what to do, he’d much prefer that the Democrats just become the Party of Whatever David Brooks Wants so that he might graciously consider thinking about deigning to vote for one. A nice, completely ineffective Democrat who would not actually try to, you know, actually do anything.

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re: #270 DodgerFan1988

Didn’t Trump say he thought the White House is a dump?

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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:55:39pm
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William Lewis  Jun 28, 2019 • 7:55:43pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

About time.

Texas bishop escorts migrants across the border in protest of U.S. policy
nydailynews.com

Mine finally issued a wimpy pastoral letter today. About what I expected since he’s retiring in six months but it still annoys the fuck out of me. This is going to be an issue for the election of his replacement - I will make it so.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:01:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:02:51pm

Terrible news here in the mountains. A longtime yet young first responder went missing on Tuesday. They found his body this afternoon, suicide.

I ache at this news. I’ve been suicidal, and in less than three months time last year two people I’ve known for a long time killed themselves.

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wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:05:10pm

re: #275 teleskiguy

{{{teleskiguy }}}

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:05:38pm

re: #275 teleskiguy

{{{teleskiguy}}}

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wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:06:53pm

Hey, have a possum.

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retired cynic  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:07:57pm

re: #278 wrenchwench

Hey, have a possum.

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I had a raccoon and a skunk this evening. Met them as I brought in the bird feeders for the night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:11:44pm

Bill Kristol is not suddenly “woke.” Like every other conservative, he’s just upset that Trump didn’t use their “civility” dogwhistles.

Circular Firing Squad (article by Johnathon V. Last, senior editor of The Bulwark writing in The Bulwark, formerly an editor and writer for The Weekly Standard)

That was … something?

I wanted to talk about the winners and losers at the Wednesday night debate, but let’s be honest—if you watched it you already know who lost: America.

Let’s go down the roll of shame.

(he then goes into what is wrong with every candidate, and like so many Republicans, you know, the Democratic Party would be so much better if we adopted Republican policies. The article also takes incredibly shallow digs at some of the candidates.)

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:17:29pm

re: #275 teleskiguy

Terrible news here in the mountains. A longtime yet young first responder went missing on Tuesday. They found his body this afternoon, suicide.

[Embedded content]

I ache at this news. I’ve been suicidal, and in less than three months time last year two people I’ve known for a long time killed themselves.

When those that step up to help others are lost, it’s a tragedy multiplied. We need them so badly. Very sorry man.
EDIT I want you to understand that means you too. You make a differerence. A positive change.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:17:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:19:42pm

re: #274 Dread Pirate

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Look less white by praising the best president in the last fifty years. FO Tomi. In 100 years people will remember Obama’s Presidency fondly You? If you’re remembered at all, it will be as a Millennial flavored Coulter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:22:31pm

re: #280 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Kristol is not suddenly “woke.” Like every other conservative, he’s just upset that Trump didn’t use their “civility” dogwhistles.

Circular Firing Squad (article by Johnathon V. Last, senior editor of The Bulwark writing in The Bulwark, formerly an editor and writer for The Weekly Standard)

(he then goes into what is wrong with every candidate, and like so many Republicans, you know, the Democratic Party would be so much better if we adopted Republican policies. The article also takes incredibly shallow digs at some of the candidates.)

I think Kristol has genuine issues with Trump but his party and himself have much bigger problems than the Dems. So I really could careless what Alan Keyes’ former campaign manager and an advocate for Palin as VP thinks is sound.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:23:28pm

Actually I’m being unfair to Obama. He’s up there with the best since WWII.

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wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:31:20pm

re: #275 teleskiguy

[…]

I ache at this news. I’ve been suicidal, and in less than three months time last year two people I’ve known for a long time killed themselves.

The off season of the major industry of the area, combined with fire season In the land of the lovers of BEING outdoors (as opposed to those who like to look at it sometimes) is a bad combo.

We’re getting a tiny bit of rain right now. We may be up to the predicted .06 inch already. I don’t think it’s just me who feels a sense of relief in the air.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:39:38pm

re: #286 wrenchwench

We’re getting a tiny bit of rain right now. We may be up to the predicted .06 inch already. I don’t think it’s just me who feels a sense of relief in the air.

This week is seriously the first dry spell I can remember in weeks. It was a very wet spring. Rivers and creeks are still crazy high and swift.

Hey, I’m skiing on 4 July *using chairlifts,* first time since 1996.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:51:12pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2019 • 8:51:48pm

This is not a real ‘CL’ because I already know there’s a new thread, but this is for CL, and her cat, and all you other cats who keep people.

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wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2019 • 9:00:17pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

[Jeff Flake]

I saw a tweet with a photo of Flake in it, and my first thought was, ‘Who is that doing the Jeff Flake act?’ Then I saw his name, and thought, ‘Oh, it’s Jeff Flake doing his Jeff Flake act.’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2019 • 9:02:12pm

Racism continues unabated with TSA:

Riz Ahmed’s Star Wars Celebration Chicago Appearance Was Canceled Because Homeland Security Wouldn’t Let Him Board His Flight (Goes to Gizmondo)

On the first day of Star Wars Celebration Chicago this past April, it was suddenly announced that Riz Ahmed—who played Imperial courier-turned Rebel hero Bodhi Rook in Rogue One—had to cancel his appearance at the convention. Now, the actor’s revealed why, and it’s another reflection of being a minority attempting to travel in the U.S.

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