Our Horrible President Comes to the Defense of Alex Acosta, Who Oversaw Epstein’s Wrist-Slap Deal

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It’s not surprising, but today Donald Trump finally broke his silence on Alex Acosta, who oversaw the outrageously lenient deal that helped Jeffrey Epstein evade justice and harm uncounted children. Trump says he feels “very badly” — not for the children victimized by this predator and his cronies, but for poor Alex Acosta. He says Acosta didn’t make the decision to grant a plea deal to Epstein.

That’s a lie.

Trump also said he “wasn’t a fan” of Jeffrey Epstein, and that he had “a falling out with him.”

This is almost certainly another lie.

It’s very striking that Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed sympathy for powerful men accused of sex crimes — but he never expresses sympathy for victims of sex crimes.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:41:56am

How does a third of the country miss that this weasel ALWAYS skitters away from his good buddies if it looks like it might cost him something.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:42:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:45:14am

Barr has been dragged out from behind the sofa to do his boss’ bidding?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:45:23am

re: #1 jaunte

How does a third of the country miss that this weasel ALWAYS skitters away from his good buddies if it looks like it might cost him something.

They love how Trump smacks down colored people and gays.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:47:27am

re: #4 Joe Bacon 🌹

They love how Trump smacks down colored people and gays.

and pisses off a lot of liberals and elitists

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:52:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:53:03am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:55:46am

Acosta is being dragged and ratioed for all his tweets today claiming he gave Epstein a cushy deal, and that based on what we now know, he hopes Epstein is punished.

Bulkshit. Revisionist history bulkshit.

At the time of the plea, there was enough evidence to throw Epstein down a dark hole never to reemerge. He should have gotten life then based on molesting all those young girls.

In 2008, federal prosecutors in Miami — led by former U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — drafted a 53-page indictment against Epstein, including charges that could have put him in prison for life. But Acosta made a deal with Epstein’s legal team that resulted in 13 months in jail and a non-prosecution agreement for any possible federal charges. According to a copy of the non-prosecution agreement, the likelihood of a federal charge had been high: The FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office determined that from 2001 to September 2007, Epstein had conspired to persuade minors to engage in prostitution, conspired to transport minors across state lines for the purpose of illicit sexual conduct, and recruited a minor across state lines to engage in a commercial sex act.

Acosta immunized coconspirators too. That’s absolutely crazy given the circumstances. Everyone got off scot-free or with a slap on the wrist. That SDNY is trying to hold Epstein accountable is the exception. Thus far, the rule is if you’re powerful and rich, you can avoid justice for years on end.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 10:59:35am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:00:10am

“I’m not a fan. I was never a fan.”

JFC everything to POS45 is a fan club. “Not a fan of the Vietnam war.” “Not a fan of John McCain”

Fuck Trump and fuck his fan club.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:01:30am

Fuck it. Pelosi has lost me. Too much inaction.

Can’t we get people with spines elected?

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:01:53am

re: #8 lawhawk

Is it possible, if actual justice is done this time, for all of Epstein’s assets to be seized, liquidated and given to victims? Money won’t make it better by any measure, but it couldn’t hurt. Take it all and throw him away like the trash he is.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:02:04am
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:02:27am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck it. Pelosi has lost me. Too much inaction.

Can’t we get people with spines elected?

This!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:03:06am
I wasn’t a fan. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.

He has worse to say about children trying to escape abusers than he has to say about the abusers themselves.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:03:11am
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:03:55am

Everyone’s thinking about this in terms of Trump being part of the demand side of this shit, but he’s been proximate to people on the supply side. too. Trump also hung around with Nick Casablanca and a bunch of other dudes that ran “modeling agencies” that (1) trafficking teenaged girls under the guise of modeling contracts, (2) were abusers as well as exploiters. Trump Modeling was built on the exact same methodology as Casablanca’s Elite Modeling.

Also, while anyone can end up coping with the experience of discovering an abuser amongst their circle of acquaintances, it is very fucking weird for one guy to have multiple instances of social connection to more than one set of organized traffickers/abusers.

Not that it matters. Trumpism is libertine nihilism with a thin coating of conservative tropes, and the cultural institutions of the right prior to Trump have created elaborate justification systems for why powerful dudes can be forgiven and people who’ve been victimized are actually to blame.

That’s the bottom of this shit: these are people who don’t believe in anything, but cling to the externalities of belief—religious ritual, legal formalities—because it shields them.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:04:00am

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

WTF Nancy??? Shit. Acosta would be an EASY get.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:04:50am

re: #12 A Mom Anon

Is it possible, if actual justice is done this time, for all of Epstein’s assets to be seized, liquidated and given to victims? Money won’t make it better by any measure, but it couldn’t hurt. Take it all and throw him away like the trash he is.

Asset forfeiture is a possibility (and it was included in the indictment filings), but I’m not sure if it could go to restitution of victims.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:06:02am

I see the sixth priest was just arrested in Michigan for current offenses. Now I realize the catholic church is large, but aside from the upcoming bombshells re protestant churches, can you think of a large business or even government organization that was so ineffective at reining this type of thing in? This is going on decades now.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:07:37am

Impeaching the guy who gave a no-jail time sweetheart deal to a multiple child rapist who used his private jet liner called the “Lolita Express” to transport victims to his private debauched sex island is about the lowest fucking fruit hanging in the tree….and Pelosi just won’t do it.

I’m done with her. She lost the plot somewhere.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:08:08am

I’m still giving Pelosi the reasonable doubt.

I hope she is waiting to the spring of 2020 to really bring out the public impeachment hearings.

Yes, I know, that’s 10 months away. Yes, Trump can continue to do some damage in 10 months, but if all a Democratic House accomplishes is making Trump a martyr to Trumpers then it will be for nought.

During the actual election period when people are taking notice, this is when the shoes need to drop.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:08:20am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

WTF Nancy??? Shit. Acosta would be an EASY get.

The easiest.

I’m actually stunned on this one. It’s time for a leadership challenge.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:08:42am

Trump’s “Social Media Summit” guest list:
Ben Garrison
James O’Keefe
Brent Bozell
Charlie Kirk
Prager U

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:08:46am

re: #18 A Mom Anon

WTF Nancy??? Shit. Acosta would be an EASY get.

In what way?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:09:03am

Here’s what I accept: Donald Trump got more popular votes than any other Republican in history.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:09:05am

re: #22 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m still giving Pelosi the reasonable doubt.

I hope she is waiting to the spring of 2020 to really bring out the public impeachment hearings.

Yes, I know, that’s 10 months away. Yes, Trump can continue to do some damage in 10 months, but if all a Democratic House accomplishes is making Trump a martyr to Trumpers then it will be for nought.

During the actual election period when people are taking notice, this is when the shoes need to drop.

No, that isn’t going to happen.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:09:51am
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:11:47am

re: #25 Belafon

In what way?

He let a child rapist off the hook, slandered the under age victims as prostitutes and then neglected to tell the victims he had made a non prosecute deal, which he was required to do by law.

This is an impeachment that would be the easiest of easy. Who the hell in the GOP want’s to defend a guy who let a child rapist get away with it and keep raping children*?

*Roy Moore, maybe…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:12:11am

He’s always feeling bad for men who commit or in Accostas case cover up sex crimes. None for the victims of his friend Epstein who he now denies he was a “fan” of whatever the fuck that means.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:13:02am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:13:19am

re: #29 Scottish Dragon

He let a child rapist off the hook, slandered the under age victims as prostitutes and then neglected to tell the victims he had made a non prosecute deal, which he was required to do by law.

This is an impeachment that would be the easiest of easy. Who the hell in the GOP want’s to defend a guy who let a child rapist get away with it and keep raping children*?

*Roy Moore, maybe…

The trouble is this happened before Accosta was Labor Secretary. This is why Acosta shouldn’t have been confirmed in the first place. I agree tho. He needs to go.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:13:51am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Instead of the “Know nothing Party” I’m calling them the “But That’s Different” party because of their relentless double standards and hypocrisy.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:14:16am

re: #24 DodgerFan1988

Well, at least we know who Mango Mussolini listens to and who he wants to amplify his bullshit cannon.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:15:04am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:16:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:17:53am

re: #36 The Pie Overlord!

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They’re such a miserable bunch.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:19:12am

re: #25 Belafon

Because, it’s pretty obvious he completely caved and let a child molester free. He also didn’t inform victims of this deal which is also documented and illegal if I’m understanding the law here. I am no attorney, but those things would be lots easier to prove fairly easily. Why the deal? Why not follow the rules and inform the victims? It needs to be at least looked at.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:19:39am

Some of the biggest Trumpers I know are fathers of girls. How given the way Trump treats women and responds to women being abused astounds me. I’m just glad the fathers and grandfather’s I look up to are repulsed by Trump.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:20:25am

I would not be surprised if Jeffrey’s stash of kid porno includes photos of Ivanka, considering the super creepy photos of her with Daddy that they both POSED FOR.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:20:35am

“…, that I can tell you.”

Isn’t that one of his frequent tells when blatantly lying?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:20:37am

I really do wish Pelosi would play tougher though.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:20:48am

I for one don’t want the next three months to be an impeachment hearing about Acosta. Halfway through he’ll resign anyway. It sucks but let SDNY run the meat grinder and focus on keeping Barr from shutting it down. Acosta is scum and he’ll get his in due time.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:20:49am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:21:03am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Some of the biggest Trumpers I know are fathers of girls. How given the way Trump treats women and responds to women being abused astounds me. I’m just glad the fathers and grandfather’s I look up to are repulsed by Trump.

Trump is the father of a girl.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:21:12am

re: #41 sagehen

“…, that I can tell you.”

Isn’t that one of his frequent tells when blatantly lying?

He’s opening his mouth.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:21:33am

re: #45 The Pie Overlord!

Trump is the father of a girl.

Yep.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:22:20am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Ive lost respect for SO many men since the campaign and election. Lots of men really resent and hate women. It makes me fee very unsafe in the world sometimes. Trump has emboldened so much Awful. It breaks my already broken heart.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:22:42am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Some of the biggest Trumpers I know are fathers of girls. How given the way Trump treats women and responds to women being abused astounds me. I’m just glad the fathers and grandfather’s I look up to are repulsed by Trump.

One’s daughters are property, like wives. It is up to the man of the family to protect them and if he doesn’t, they are fair game.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:22:43am
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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:23:50am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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It’s all transactional. The girls got paid, didn’t they? No problem.
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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:23:56am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

It’s not unnoticed among survivors.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:24:44am
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:25:29am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:26:24am

re: #38 A Mom Anon

Because, it’s pretty obvious he completely caved and let a child molester free. He also didn’t inform victims of this deal which is also documented and illegal if I’m understanding the law here. I am no attorney, but those things would be lots easier to prove fairly easily. Why the deal? Why not follow the rules and inform the victims? It needs to be at least looked at.

Acosta was approved by the Senate with that hanging over his head. It was known at the time.

This is going to be like removing a judge that gives a white male a light sentence because “the kid’s been punished enough.” And those judges are generally removed via election.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:28:13am

Sex-trafficking hand job patron Robert Kraft sits with President Trump at dinner with Emir of Qatar
nbcsports.com

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:29:54am

Mitchell Agnew Colson Magruder Haldemann Ehrlichman Liddy Stans and 41 others were convicted. CONVICTED. Not impeached. WE WANT FUCKING CONVICTIONS NOT RESIGNATION AFTER IMPEACHMENT.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:30:00am

re: #51 calochortus

Thing is, that is EXACTLY what these pieces of shit think. She took the money, that makes it all good. No empathy, no concern for damage inflicted, nothing.

Pedophiles never change. Never. They deserve no humanity. There seems to be this persistent idea that they deserve mercy because they were probably victims too. Bullshit. I was a victim, I know many others, none of us are pedophiles. Not. One. No, that level of broken comes from somewhere else and those people cannot be allowed to walk free among us. And what about the fucking rapists who were never hurt or molested? What fucking excuse is there for them?

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:30:24am
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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:31:15am

re: #31 jaunte

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I saw a tweet thread yesterday that explained it pretty well. Wish I could find it, but here’s the basic thrust:

Epstein invites rich guys to his parties, which are crawling with underage girls. One thing leads to another, and said rich guys retire with said underage girls to bedrooms in Epstein’s house, which are wired for audio and video.

Boom. Instant ‘client.’ AKA he blackmailed his way to a fortune.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:31:44am

The “kitchen table” bullshit has become onanistic performance art. It is exactly like the promises of doing something after we got the Mueller Report: a ruse to keep the base silent with a promise of a reward that will never be delivered.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:31:45am

Acosta must resign, but we know he wont. This is how Trumpworld operates.

Impeachment wont solve this any more than it would against Trump as the GOP will close ranks and protect their own despite the craven criminality, misconduct, incompetence, and inability to do basic vetting of officials (which the Senate GOP ignored to rubber stamp another right wing extremist).

Acosta made awful decisions that put children at serious risk of harm. He enabled a sex predator and enabled child sex trafficking among him and his associates. That’s unconscionable. And the GOP is fine with it.

It speaks of awful judgment but I don’t see how that rises to an impeachable offense. There’s far more to go after with Trump on impeachment - as in actual federal felonies in which Trump specifically engaged in, knowing full well that the GOP will not convict in the Senate. Why would anyone think that they’d be any less forgiving of Acosta who didn’t personally break the law? They’ll protect their own.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:32:46am

re: #60 makeitstop

He must have a Trump tape; or maybe it was taken to Moscow for safekeeping.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:32:50am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

If he “feels bad” for Epstein’s accusers, he’s tacitly saying that women (and girls) who accuse rich powerful men of rape actually CAN be believed. And if that’s the case, the women accusing HIM can also be believed.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:34:14am

re: #60 makeitstop

I saw a tweet thread yesterday that explained it pretty well. Wish I could find it, but here’s the basic thrust:

Epstein invites rich guys to his parties, which are crawling with underage girls. One thing leads to another, and said rich guys retire with said underage girls to bedrooms in Epstein’s house, which are wired for audio and video.

Boom. Instant ‘client.’ AKA he blackmailed his way to a fortune.

Weren’t there tapes labeled “Young [name] and [name]?”

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:34:18am

re: #63 jaunte

He must have a Trump tape.

Bet on it.

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marcusgorillius  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:35:10am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree, I’ve given Pelosi the benefit of doubt but Ihave had enough. Christ, stand for something, do something more than lip service. Maybe A.O.C. Should be speaker. That would get someone’s attention. Trump and his gang have brought out the absolute worst of America. My God, what are you waiting for!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:35:31am
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:35:35am

re: #62 lawhawk

How so? Failure to inform victims of the deal in violation of DOJ policy and federal law (I believe) as well as slandering child victims as prostitutes. He should never have been confirmed in the first place and the House has the right (and the obligation!) to exhume this in light of the new charges against Epstein.

Then let’s see how many GOP senators want to go to the mat to defend the guy who made a deal with a child rapist, and let’s see exactly what Acosta got out of that deal.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:37:13am

re: #60 makeitstop

I saw a tweet thread yesterday that explained it pretty well. Wish I could find it, but here’s the basic thrust:

Epstein invites rich guys to his parties, which are crawling with underage girls. One thing leads to another, and said rich guys retire with said underage girls to bedrooms in Epstein’s house, which are wired for audio and video.

Boom. Instant ‘client.’ AKA he blackmailed his way to a fortune.

Yep.

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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:39:21am

OK, so it’s a few days late…

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:41:03am

re: #69 Scottish Dragon

How so? Failure to inform victims of the deal in violation of DOJ policy and federal law (I believe) as well as slandering child victims as prostitutes. He should never have been confirmed in the first place and the House has the right (and the obligation!) to exhume this in light of the new charges against Epstein.

Then let’s see how many GOP senators want to go to the mat to defend the guy who made a deal with a child rapist, and let’s see exactly what Acosta got out of that deal.

All of them will refuse to lift a finger. Every fucking last one. Meaning Susan Collins.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:41:24am

re: #62 lawhawk
To be impeached you don’t have to break the law is that right? Acosta allowed hundreds if not more girls to be raped and sold and passed around. He could have stopped this, he had the proof in his hands. His negligence and refusal to administer justice to the victims calls his ability to do his job into question. How well is he performing? Has he made other decisions that favor rich fuckheads?

I also realize I’m a tad,ahem, pissed off on this topic for very personal reasons so I should probably step back and breathe a minute or 50….

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:43:26am

re: #69 Scottish Dragon

I see this more as judgment calls on the plea deal, and I think the GOP would find that sufficiently plausible. She may think that this wouldn’t get us closer to ending Trumpworld, and would deflect from going after Trump directly (such as it is, where they’re still ignoring subpoenas without consequence).

I get how if you actually threaten and move forward with impeachment, you force the GOP to defend the guy who cut a sweetheart deal with a child sex molester and immunized his fellow sex predators who raped children. I just think that the GOP are willing to defend the indefensible, because they think they fucking can - with no consequences. They have gamed the system to their benefit.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:44:23am
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marcusgorillius  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:44:35am

Trump, Barr and Acosta should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Burn that image into your brain!!!

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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:45:15am

re: #17 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Everyone’s thinking about this in terms of Trump being part of the demand side of this shit, but he’s been proximate to people on the supply side. too. Trump also hung around with Nick Casablanca and a bunch of other dudes that ran “modeling agencies” that (1) trafficking teenaged girls under the guise of modeling contracts, (2) were abusers as well as exploiters. Trump Modeling was built on the exact same methodology as Casablanca’s Elite Modeling.

Also, while anyone can end up coping with the experience of discovering an abuser amongst their circle of acquaintances, it is very fucking weird for one guy to have multiple instances of social connection to more than one set of organized traffickers/abusers.

Not that it matters. Trumpism is libertine nihilism with a thin coating of conservative tropes, and the cultural institutions of the right prior to Trump have created elaborate justification systems for why powerful dudes can be forgiven and people who’ve been victimized are actually to blame.

That’s the bottom of this shit: these are people who don’t believe in anything, but cling to the externalities of belief—religious ritual, legal formalities—because it shields them.

im actually seeing two sides to this - the side you describe - sort of from the base

and trumpism from he himself. as krugman said last year, he is no populist

Watching Trump in action, it’s hard to escape the impression that he knows very well that he’s inflicting punishment on his own base. But he’s a man who likes to humiliate others, in ways great and small. And my guess is that he actually takes pleasure in watching his supporters follow him even as be betrays them.

Anyway, whatever his motivations, Trump in action is the opposite of populist. And no, his trade war doesn’t change that judgment….Furthermore, the Trumpian trade war is being carried out in a way that produces maximum harm to U.S. workers in return for minimum benefits.

While he isn’t a populist, however, Trump is a pathological liar, the most dishonest man ever to hold high office in America. And his claim to stand with working Americans is one of his biggest lies.

Which brings me back to media use of the term “populist.” When you describe Trump using that word, you are in effect complicit in his lie — especially when you do it in the context of supposedly objective reporting.

And you don’t have to do this. You can describe what Trump is doing without using words that give him credit where it isn’t due. He’s scamming his supporters; you don’t have to help him do it.

i shoulda just bolded the whole thing

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:45:23am

re: #48 A Mom Anon

Ive lost respect for SO many men since the campaign and election. Lots of men really resent and hate women. It makes me fee very unsafe in the world sometimes. Trump has emboldened so much Awful. It breaks my already broken heart.

I remember getting in actual fistfights in high school because some boys were disrespecting women. I was filled with anger and rage that those in authority did nothing. That was in 1970. I am sorry that you and all women are disrespected today. I am still filled with anger and rage.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:46:03am

re: #74 lawhawk

And all Acosta has to say is “With the available information I had at the time, I felt that this was the best course of action.” It’s a lousy f-ing excuse, but it would give cover to everyone.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:46:18am

WTFITS

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:47:19am

re: #76 marcusgorillius

Trump, Barr and Acosta should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Burn that image into your brain!!!

House: We’ll get the feathers.
Senate: I don’t know about tar. That seems a bit extreme. I was thinking of a weekend at a massage parlor.
Judiciary: Do we have to run?

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:47:45am

re: #72 Old Liberal

All of them will refuse to lift a finger. Every fucking last one. Meaning Susan Collins.

Ben Sasse was one of the people to actually raise an alarm about Acosta recently.

I can’t see any senator wanting to go into 2020 defending a guy who made a deeply suspicious sweetheart deal with a “billionaire” pervert.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:48:31am

re: #80 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

I’m not going to click on the link at work. I saw don jr in the link. What is it?

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:48:59am

re: #82 Scottish Dragon

Ben Sasse was one of the people to actually raise an alarm about Acosta recently.

I can’t see any senator wanting to go into 2020 defending a guy who made a deeply suspicious sweetheart deal with a “billionaire” pervert.

Wasn’t that the 2016 election?

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:49:14am

re: #79 Belafon

And all Acosta has to say is “With the available information I had at the time, I felt that this was the best course of action.” It’s a lousy f-ing excuse, but it would give cover to everyone.

Then watch Kamela Harris take it all apart.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:49:15am

re: #80 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Hmmm, I have no trouble going with the Democrat in every question. Even a lyin’, MS 13 lovin’, socialist has to be better than Trump.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:49:41am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:50:00am
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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:50:05am

re: #82 Scottish Dragon

Ben Sasse was one of the people to actually raise an alarm about Acosta recently.

I can’t see any senator wanting to go into 2020 defending a guy who made a deeply suspicious sweetheart deal with a “billionaire” pervert.

He voted for Acosta. Said Acosta was a great candidate. Which Sasse will show up? I guess the real one. The first one.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:50:23am

re: #84 Belafon

Wasn’t that the 2016 election?

It was after the Miami Herald ran their investigation series on him.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:50:29am

re: #73 A Mom Anon

That’s correct. Impeachment is a political process. It doesn’t require a criminal conviction, but in practice, having a criminal record and indictments would bolster the case. Otherwise, it would seem as though you’re trying to remove for a policy difference, and not because of “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

You can argue that Acosta imperiled 100s of children, and let sex predators loose, but we all know that prosecutors have done plea deals that let rich and powerful skirt justice since forever. It’s a judgment call - an almost uniformly awful one where rich and powerful are immunized against their criminal conduct, while their victims never see justice. We see this with rapists who are rich/powerful, but women who allege rape/sex abuse infrequently see justice because prosecutors don’t take the cases seriously, investigators don’t process rape kits, etc., and the system is stacked against the victims.

I’m willing to be wrong and watch Acosta get impeached, but I don’t think the Senate will remove, and the effort to impeach means time Democrats can’t go after Trump.

There’s only so much time in the calendar to do that - and even that time is running out. It’s getting late early.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:50:37am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Fox News Contributor Blames Epstein Plea Deal on Obama, Who Was Not President Yet

It was just a matter of time…..

The same thing is all over FR.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:52:20am

re: #84 Belafon

Wasn’t that the 2016 election?

It was December of last year.
nbcnews.com

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:53:35am

re: #90 Scottish Dragon

It was after the Miami Herald ran their investigation series on him.

re: #93 Scottish Dragon

It was December of last year.
nbcnews.com

Sorry, my joke went flat: A pervert billionaire sounds like our current president, and think of the Senators that defended him at the end of 2016.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:54:53am

re: #78 Old Liberal

I’m almost 60 now, I’ve seen a lot and things just don’t seem to be getting overall better. Some things are better but for each step forward we’re being dragged back. There’s always some retrograde shitmuffin that can’t handle women outside the kitchen or bedroom(and sometimes not even there) and he always has buddies cheering him on.

Thank you for stepping up to assholes. It does help, more than you realize. But I don’t think it’s going away til men begin giving each other shit socially and vocally for being retrograde shitmuffins. We need more, lots more. I’m astounded at how many men view women as an entirely different species than men, and that any act of kindness towards us is weak. This crap ruins lives, families and communities. What to do about it is something we have to face as a society.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:55:31am

re: #91 lawhawk

He made a deal that appears deeply corrupt. We should know what he got out of the deal.

Acosta claims he was warned off the prosecution by superiors because “Epstein belongs to US intelligence”.

So this wasn’t a judgement thing in his own excuse. He says he was told to not pursue the case because of national security concerns.

This needs to be investigated.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:55:56am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:56:28am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Some people make rocks look intelligent.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:57:21am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Evil.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:58:04am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Some of the biggest Trumpers I know are fathers of girls. How given the way Trump treats women and responds to women being abused astounds me. I’m just glad the fathers and grandfather’s I look up to are repulsed by Trump.

Living in a social conservative area (that’s rife with sexual hypocrisy), I’ve grown up around men who view their daughters as one kind of object—to be kept pure and passed to an “acceptable” male—and women they want to be sexually available as a different kind of object. And that happens within a larger cultural context where there’s a madonna/whore complex built into religion and gender norms, but then is refined when assholes come together and give each other permission to be predatory. Sometimes that’s just the local bros who hang out together, but it’s also how The Catholic Church’s predation problem just keeps chugging along.

A subset of victim-blaming is demarcating the “wrong” types of people who a priori cannot be sexually victimized. That conservative sexual mores create a permanent demimonde of individuals who’ve lost their social value is a feature not a bug, because it creates acceptable targets for exploitation and outright predation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:58:31am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Fuck off Mitch.

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steve_davis  Jul 9, 2019 • 11:59:38am

re: #8 lawhawk

Acosta is being dragged and ratioed for all his tweets today claiming he gave Epstein a cushy deal, and that based on what we now know, he hopes Epstein is punished.

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Bulkshit. Revisionist history bulkshit.

At the time of the plea, there was enough evidence to throw Epstein down a dark hole never to reemerge. He should have gotten life then based on molesting all those young girls.

Acosta immunized coconspirators too. That’s absolutely crazy given the circumstances. Everyone got off scot-free or with a slap on the wrist. That SDNY is trying to hold Epstein accountable is the exception. Thus far, the rule is if you’re powerful and rich, you can avoid justice for years on end.

if any of epstein’s crimes occurred after his skate, Acosta will be absolutely wrecked from this point on. No one’s inviting him to any dinners with the kind of stink he would bring with him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:00:02pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They won’t.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:00:29pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Mitch McConnell has no problem with his past.

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steve_davis  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:01:05pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck it. Pelosi has lost me. Too much inaction.

Can’t we get people with spines elected?

it isn’t just pelosi. there is a chairman who could simply demand trump’s tax returns, and who insists he’s going to slow-boat things for whatever stupid reason he thinks requires it.

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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:01:19pm

re: #94 Dr. Matt

Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling: The interview was contentious at first, according to two people familiar with the matter, but investigators ultimately found his testimony credible and even surprising.

The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:01:38pm

re: #103 steve_davis

I think we’re going to find that Epstein’s stash of child pornography includes photos taken after the deal. We’re going to learn that the child trafficking extended beyond the date of the plea deal.

And for the GOP, I don’t think that will be a dealbreaker. They may be hoping that Acosta sucks the air out of the room so even worse is done by Trump with little scrutiny - like repealing Obamacare by judicial diktat.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:02:43pm

re: #101 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Living in a social conservative area (that’s rife with sexual hypocrisy), I’ve grown up around men who view their daughters as one kind of object—to be kept pure and passed to an “acceptable” male—and women they want to be sexually available as a different kind of object. And that happens within a larger cultural context where there’s a madonna/whore complex built into religion and gender norms, but then is refined when assholes come together and give each other permission to be predatory. Sometimes that’s just the local bros who hang out together, but it’s also how The Catholic Church’s predation problem just keeps chugging along.

A subset of victim-blaming is demarcating the “wrong” types of people who a priori cannot be sexually victimized. That conservative sexual mores create a permanent demimonde of individuals who’ve lost their social value is a feature not a bug, because it creates acceptable targets for exploitation and outright predation.

Yeah I think you’re right about that. I’m very protective of my niece but that’s because she’s my niece. I would be the same way of a nephew. I want my niece to know that her being a girl shouldn’t stop her from pursuing her passions and dreams.

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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:03:35pm

re: #100 Scottish Dragon

Evil.

with feet (lgf)

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:04:48pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you’re right about that. I’m very protective of my niece but that’s because she’s my niece. I would be the same way of a nephew. I want my niece to know that her being a girl shouldn’t stop her from pursuing her passions and dreams.

But there’s a point Ghost is making that I see around here in Texas: Even now, girls are divide into either pure or slut, an arbitrary decision that should not be inflicted on them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:04:59pm

Where is 007 when you need him?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:05:43pm

re: #111 Belafon

But there’s a point Ghost is making that I see around here in Texas: Even now, girls are divide into either pure or slut, an arbitrary decision that should not be inflicted on them.

Yeah I know. I think that’s the case with the men I know who like Trump.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:07:04pm

Just paged this today - it turns out that the whole Seth Rich conspiracy theory was pushed by the Kremlin

In her efforts to better understand where the conspiracy theories were coming from, Sines used her security clearance to access copies of two SVR intelligence reports about Seth Rich that had been intercepted by U.S. intelligence officials. She later wrote a memo documenting the Russian role in fomenting the conspiracy theories that she sent to the Justice Department’s national security division, and personally briefed special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors on her findings.

“It appeared to me that it was a very clear campaign to deflect an ongoing federal criminal investigation,” Sines said. “So then you have to look at why is Russia doing this? … It’s not rocket science before you add it up and you go, ‘Oh, if Seth is the leaker to WikiLeaks — it doesn’t have anything to do with the Russians. So of course Russia’s interest in doing this is incredibly transparent.” The Russian strategy, Sines said, was diabolically simple: “Let’s blame it on Seth Rich. He’s a very convenient target.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:08:23pm

I’m thinking about something my Dad said recently that he definitely thinks less of someone if he knows they like Trump. He felt a little guilty about that. But I asked him what immediately comes to mind is it that you dislike most about Trump. The answers weren’t partisan. So I told him that this feeling was justified. I definitely do. I definitely think less if I know someone likes Trump. And it sucks because some of them are people I do know and have liked.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:08:40pm

re: #77 DangerMan

Trump is a narcissistic abuser. He gets off on is gratified by social interactions that reinforce power and only power, and thus hurting his base—and making them abase themselves, like when he contradicts himself and they jump through hoops to ignore it—is doubtless tremendous fun.

Then again, I’d argue most of the brass of the Republican Party ultimately believes in some kind of inherent hierarchy, and views a large number of people who vote for them as deserving of suffering. The common shared theme of their spirituality and their material philosophy is that kind of distinction.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:08:45pm

re: #114 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just paged this today - it turns out that the whole Seth Rich conspiracy theory was pushed by the Kremlin

Bunch of willing Kremlin tools.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:09:08pm

re: #108 lawhawk

I think we’re going to find that Epstein’s stash of child pornography includes photos taken after the deal. We’re going to learn that the child trafficking extended beyond the date of the plea deal.

And for the GOP, I don’t think that will be a dealbreaker. They may be hoping that Acosta sucks the air out of the room so even worse is done by Trump with little scrutiny - like repealing Obamacare by judicial diktat.

What I saw is that the photos etc were previously unknown. Also, the deal (according to the NYT and of course IANAL) does not preclude any other federal district from charging….and some of the crimes happened in NYC which means that SDNY gets a bite at the apple. Moreover, since he wasn’t charged with anything except pandering, there is no double jeopardy issue and there is no statute of limitations on this either.

nytimes.com

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:09:39pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’m thinking about something my Dad said recently that he definitely thinks less of someone if he knows they like Trump. He felt a little guilty about that. But I asked him what immediately comes to mind is it that you dislike most about Trump. The answers weren’t partisan. So I told him that this feeling was justified. I definitely do. I definitely think less if I know someone likes Trump. And it sucks because some of them are people I do know and have liked.

Same.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:10:18pm

re: #118 Scottish Dragon

And yet there’s some discussion today that suggests that the prosecution deal prohibited further prosecutions for the same crimes (and that Epstein will assert double jeopardy).

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:11:12pm

And of course, no idiotic conspiracy is complete without Dim Jim Hoft, the “Stupidest Man on the Internet”

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:11:14pm

re: #120 lawhawk

And yet there’s some discussion today that suggests that the prosecution deal prohibited further prosecutions for the same crimes (and that Epstein will assert double jeopardy).

He will assert it, but if he wasn’t charged and tried, how will it stick?

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:12:33pm

re: #122 Scottish Dragon

He will assert it, but if he wasn’t charged and tried, how will it stick?

The deal counts for the crimes covered under it.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:13:32pm

re: #120 lawhawk

And yet there’s some discussion today that suggests that the prosecution deal prohibited further prosecutions for the same crimes (and that Epstein will assert double jeopardy).

nytimes.com

Mr. Epstein can be prosecuted by the Southern District of New York because his agreement was with the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of Florida. As New York federal prosecutors noted, the agreement does not bind other offices. In fact, Justice Department policy prevents United States attorney’s offices from making agreements that limit other offices.

Mr. Epstein will not be able to stop the new charges from going forward. There is no statute of limitation in cases like this, and because he was never charged with a federal offense, there is no double jeopardy issue. New York prosecutors can charge him with the entire scheme, including his activity in South Florida, because his alleged crimes occurred in part in New York.

So Mr. Epstein, 66, will have to go to court and fight the charges or accept a lengthy prison term, which could effectively be a life sentence. At trial, he will face testimony from three former employees who aided his sexual abuse of children, all of whom are described in the indictment. They most likely received deals from prosecutors because they have serious liability for Mr. Epstein’s abuse.

Federal prosecutors told the court that they have extensive documentary evidence, including contemporaneous notes and call records confirming that Mr. Epstein and his accomplices communicated with victims. In a search of his home over the weekend, law enforcement recovered what prosecutors described as “an extraordinary volume of photographs of nude and partially nude young women or girls.” A jury will find those
photographs, and the alleged sexual trafficking of minors, highly disturbing.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:13:40pm
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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:15:53pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’m thinking about something my Dad said recently that he definitely thinks less of someone if he knows they like Trump. He felt a little guilty about that. But I asked him what immediately comes to mind is it that you dislike most about Trump. The answers weren’t partisan. So I told him that this feeling was justified. I definitely do. I definitely think less if I know someone likes Trump. And it sucks because some of them are people I do know and have liked.

this goes to who someone is as a person
i dont care what you do or think
I care how you decide what to do or think
how you develop that position, how you make your evaluations and decisions.
The process - the critical thinking, in gathering info, acceptance of what you hear and see, that is more of a window into who you are (and aren’t) than anything else

you cant have a conscience, care about humanity, the world’s future, liberty and justice for all and also support this administration, anyone in it, or its boss.

you support a pig, you’re a pig. or if you prefer: you have to be a pig to support a pig.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:16:01pm

re: #123 Belafon

The deal counts for the crimes covered under it.

Apparently not.

Mr. Epstein can be prosecuted by the Southern District of New York because his agreement was with the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of Florida. As New York federal prosecutors noted, the agreement does not bind other offices. In fact, Justice Department policy prevents United States attorney’s offices from making agreements that limit other offices.

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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:16:50pm

re: #116 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Trump is a narcissistic abuser. He gets off on power and only power, and thus hurting his base—and making them abase themselves, like when he contradicts himself and they jump through hoops to ignore it—is doubtless tremendous fun.

Then again, I’d argue most of the brass of the Republican Party ultimately believes in some kind of inherent hierarchy, and views a large number of people who vote for them as deserving of suffering. The common shared theme of their spirituality and their material philosophy is that kind of distinction.

‘i dont care who they are or what their problems are as long as they vote for us’

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:17:20pm
The best evidence in the case, in fact, may result from the non-prosecution agreement itself, which required Epstein to plead guilty to a state charge of solicitation of minors to engage in prostitution. Under an obscure provision of the Federal Rules of Evidence, that conviction may be admissible at trial against Mr. Epstein.

As a general rule, juries are not permitted to learn about a defendant’s prior convictions. Juries are supposed to convict based on the evidence of the particular crime before them, not infer that the defendant committed this crime because he committed a similar crime in the past. But criminal cases involving “child molestation” are an exception.

As long as the government can prove that Mr. Epstein’s state conviction resulted from “molestation” — which is broadly defined — of a minor under the age of 14, the conviction can be used against him in this new case if part of the conspiracy case involves allegations that he abused a minor under 14. If prosecutors successfully get Mr. Epstein’s prior conviction in front of the jury, it will be hard for jurors to vote to acquit.

Ouch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:17:42pm
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garzooma  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:19:27pm

re: #97 Scottish Dragon

He made a deal that appears deeply corrupt. We should know what he got out of the deal.

Acosta claims he was warned off the prosecution by superiors because “Epstein belongs to US intelligence”.

So this wasn’t a judgement thing in his own excuse. He says he was told to not pursue the case because of national security concerns.

This needs to be investigated.

I saw another motivation for the plea deal talked about in an Atlantic article by a former Federal prosecutor:

But Epstein could afford the lavish attention of a defense team staffed by legal luminaries such as Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr. Most of us hope an attorney will defend us competently at trial, but the superrich can afford to go on the offense. Epstein’s lawyers hounded the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida, which was considering federal charges, based on reports that Epstein had procured underage girls across state lines. Former U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta—now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor—characterized the tactic as a “year-long assault on the prosecution and prosecutors,” and complained that Epstein’s team investigated prosecutors and their families, “looking for personal peccadilloes that may provide a basis for disqualification.”

more

It is more plausible that Epstein successfully wielded his nearly incomprehensible money and power to influence the decision at the highest levels. The personal attacks on the prosecution likely helped too: Federal prosecutors aren’t used to being on the defensive. I once prosecuted a defendant with the resources to hire a famed Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theorist to spin elaborate tales about me; it was unsettling and made the case extremely difficult.

The part about trashing the prosecutors, by attorneys including Trump defenders Dershowitz and Starr, is particularly interesting, and obviously relates to the treatment of Mueller.

The use of a child molester playbook on the Mueller investigation should definitely be part of the Mueller hearings.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:20:29pm
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steve_davis  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:20:39pm

re: #40 The Pie Overlord!

I would not be surprised if Jeffrey’s stash of kid porno includes photos of Ivanka, considering the super creepy photos of her with Daddy that they both POSED FOR.

as much as I would hate it for Ivanka, making her a victim in this sordid mess, it would be fascinating to watch this blow through the Trump orbit. How would he react to pictures of Ivanka in Epstein’s collection? I can’t think of a way he could react that wouldn’t be viewed with shock/horror.

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:22:02pm

re: #133 steve_davis

If such pictures exist they would be of her and daddy.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:22:31pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

If such pictures exist they would be of her and daddy.

I don’t want to even consider that.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:23:32pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:23:51pm

I am certain, however, that pictures and video files of Trump with various women including underage girls, exists in multiple places.

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marcusgorillius  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:25:23pm

The level of the conversation that we are having now as a nation is absolutely astounding.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:27:24pm

re: #96 A Mom Anon

I’m almost 60 now, I’ve seen a lot and things just don’t seem to be getting overall better. Some things are better but for each step forward we’re being dragged back. There’s always some retrograde shitmuffin that can’t handle women outside the kitchen or bedroom(and sometimes not even there) and he always has buddies cheering him on.

Thank you for stepping up to assholes. It does help, more than you realize. But I don’t think it’s going away til men begin giving each other shit socially and vocally for being retrograde shitmuffins. We need more, lots more. I’m astounded at how many men view women as an entirely different species than men, and that any act of kindness towards us is weak. This crap ruins lives, families and communities. What to do about it is something we have to face as a society.

I think many white men are worse because they have no internal sense of self worth. When the women are better in school, in some cases earn more, and don’t need to put up with a shit for brains man for economic security, they have no leverage and their egos are damaged. So they lash out. Time to grow a new paradigm men. That’s the pair that you’re missing. Will religion step up? Hahahaha they pull us all back.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:29:35pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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As a former slave owner then I’m sure Obama would pony up. Now you fucking turtle, pay up.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:30:02pm
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Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:35:39pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:37:24pm

re: #142 Dr. Matt

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What is the pool for how long until “Epstein was just some coffee guy” right now?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:38:12pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:41:56pm
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marcusgorillius  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:46:13pm

re: #142 Dr. Matt

No mention of the victims. What a freaking moron. I can almost hear the world laughing at us, if it was’nt so sad.

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unproven innocence  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:47:24pm

Trump’s Twitter blocks violate First Amendment rights, appeals court affirms
Kate Cox - Jul 9, 2019 4:28 pm UTC

Excerpt:

The US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on Tuesday issued an opinion supporting an earlier federal court ruling that as long as Donald Trump is a public official, he cannot block people (which prevents them from reading his feed or responding to his comments) he disagrees with on Twitter.

The opinion (PDF) is narrow, specific, and unanimous, with all three judges concurring. “We do not consider or decide whether an elected official violates the Constitution by excluding persons from a wholly private social media account,” the judges write, “Nor do we consider whether private social media companies are bound by the First Amendment when policing their platforms.”

But, they continue, “The First Amendment does not permit a public official who utilizes a social media account for all manner of official purposes to exclude persons from an otherwise-open online dialogue because they expressed views with which the official disagrees….

Misfortunately, bogus45 will likely ignore these court decisions.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:48:37pm

re: #125 Chrysicat

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I’m not seeing how it’s an unworkable rule like the one person indicated. They can’t unring this bell. It’s forever tainted.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:52:20pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:52:44pm

Toxic masculinity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:57:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:59:29pm

HA HA

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 12:59:37pm

re: #150 MsJ

Toxic masculinity.

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The feminization of liberal thought. All part of the fascist playbook. If women think that way it must be foolish and wrong.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:01:01pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:08:25pm

re: #150 MsJ

I mentioned this kind of guy earlier, a perfect example of a guy, seemingly raised in a culture of modern conveniences and science and shit who view women and girls as a foreign subspecies of some sort. And if you point out smart, capable woman to them, she’s a fake who fucked her way into success or she took credit for something a man did. And they wonder why they have shitty relationships with women or none at all? ‘‘Tis a mystery for the ages…..

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Teddy's Person  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:08:53pm

re: #150 MsJ

Toxic masculinity.

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How does an adult male become liberal/leftist? They fucking grow up.

An oldie but a goodie:

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” [Kung Fu Monkey — Ephemera, blog post, March 19, 2009]

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ericblair  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:10:57pm

re: #67 marcusgorillius

I agree, I’ve given Pelosi the benefit of doubt but Ihave had enough. Christ, stand for something, do something more than lip service. Maybe A.O.C. Should be speaker. That would get someone’s attention. Trump and his gang have brought out the absolute worst of America. My God, what are you waiting for!!

I’m willing to give Pelosi a lot of slack; I don’t know whether she’s doing the right thing. However, I’ve worked in high profile governmental organizations, and read the media think pieces about what the leaders of the organizations should or shouldn’t be doing. Generally, they are useless unless they are or were insiders or real subject experts (and are being completely honest with you as well).

First, the media will tell the organization to do something that is flatly against policy and law and not realize it. Second, and more subtly, most of the time the media completely misses what the decision confronting the organization actually is, because they are relying solely on the news. The news tells you what is new, what has changed, but rarely tells you important things that have been the same for decades. These constants shape what the organization does on an ongoing basis but unless you’re living it you never will have run across them, because, they’re just not news.

Third, things take time. I’ve been involved in solving problems that were in the news literally years before, but still needed to be worked. The media had moved on a long time ago and had latched on to dozens of shiny objects since then. Problems were solved, but nobody really noticed outside the people directly involved, since it didn’t relate to anything that was then currently news.

So it’s quite possible Pelosi may be fucking this up, but I’m almost certain it’s not for any reason that a casual or even obsessive news follower will grasp.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:18:36pm

Fabulous. Just fabulous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:19:22pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

WTF Nancy??? Shit. Acosta would be an EASY get.

in any normal world, yes…we live in a new media and political reality

as hard as it is for me not to scream, I will trust her judgement on this and hope she is aware of things we do not

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:25:14pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:25:48pm

GODDAMNIT

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:26:53pm

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ok, I’ll give you that she knows lots of shit we don’t. That goes for most congresscritters too. But aren’t they supposed to answer to us? I’d like to hear some answers to Why?. I’m just past the point of just trusting people who don’t know me making huge decisions that don’t seem to benefit a lot more than a special and select group. It’s great she’s getting stuff written down and the House is passing useful things, but the Senate and White House have locked shit down and hollowed out damned near every agency. How long are we supposed to be patient and trusting?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:30:29pm

re: #162 A Mom Anon

In a normal world, none of this would be happening, Trump would not have got elected in the first place, and a responsible Congress would have ousted him on conflict of interest, Emoluments Clause violations and obstruction of justice.

The Mueller Report did not budge the needle.

Nancy knows what it is gonna take to finally remove this blot on American history and civic culture

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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:36:32pm

re: #161 MsJ

GODDAMNIT

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It’s a strange argument that the Trump Administration is making - that the mandate is now unconstitutional because the tax penalty has been set at zero. Could the next Congress and administration simply raises the tax penalty to some greater than zero? Does that make the mandate once again constitutional? Or what if, hypothetically, the next Congress and administration was to create a tax credit (in effect a negative penalty) for people buying insurance? If so, it seems rather foolish to say that the mandate is unconstitutional simply because a political decision to set a tax penalty/rate at a low level.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:38:54pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah Erick that’s why so many liberals defend the Catholic clergy who abuse boys. Why don’t you fuck off and stop projecting your side’s sex assault apologia on mind you perverted pig fucker.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:40:41pm

re: #161 MsJ

GODDAMNIT

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That’s why I think those that go after the “centrists” on health care are kidding themselves. This has been hard as hell to maintain. Conservative judges are again showing how they will deny people rights earned every opportunity they get.

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:41:09pm

re: #164 KGxvi

Like that’s stopped the GOP before? The GOP has spewed all these nonsensical legal theories, and just enough right wing judges in the circuits have enabled them to get all the way to the Supreme Court, where Roberts crafted his ruling that allowed states to weasel out of expanding Medicare, but stopped short of calling the ACA unconstitutional.

Now the entire system rises and falls with their reliance on the individual mandate.

The GOP are cheering this on, with no plan for what happens next - because they don’t care.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:41:12pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:41:42pm

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m just kinda done. Too much shit out in the world and personally. I know that in real life you don’t get a pony, unless you’re rich of course. I’d just like to see actual movement and some of these fucks to begin dropping like flies. I don’t don’t like this feeling like the bad guys are just gonna keep winning.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:43:52pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I’m just kinda done. Too much shit out in the world and personally. I know that in real life you don’t get a pony, unless you’re rich of course. I’d just like to see actual movement and some of these fucks to begin dropping like flies. I don’t don’t like this feeling like the bad guys are just gonna keep winning.

You’ve got plenty of reasons to feel that way.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:44:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:44:39pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I’m just kinda done. Too much shit out in the world and personally. I know that in real life you don’t get a pony, unless you’re rich of course. I’d just like to see actual movement and some of these fucks to begin dropping like flies. I don’t don’t like this feeling like the bad guys are just gonna keep winning.

I’m really disillusioned with our legal system. Epstein is proof that being wealthy with powerful friends can help you get away with tons. If he was an average guy, he would already be in prison.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:45:43pm
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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:47:21pm

I’m beginning to wonder if a two party system can continue to work in this country. I know there are plenty of reasons why it exists, but it seems like it has outlived its usefulness.

I could see the GOP split into a small-l libertarian sort of party and a Christian Democrat type party. I could see the Dems split between a progressive party and a more center-left party.

The system is not really built for that in most states, but perhaps some sort of arrangement where the parties needed to create coalitions would serve us better than parties that serve as weird coalitions.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:47:49pm

re: #161 MsJ

GODDAMNIT

I thought the individual mandate piece was already gone.

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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:49:07pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

That seems less than ideal.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:51:59pm

re: #175 Sir John Barron

I thought the individual mandate piece was already gone.

I think they’re arguing that without the mandate the remainder is unconstitutional

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:53:46pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if that is real, or if it is planted to distract from this current story?

Norway says Moscow told of ‘gas explosion’ on Russian sub

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:55:15pm

“…If an invading army committed such an act — If it killed 24,000 innocent people, year after year — we would name that act an “atrocity.” Resolutions would be debated in the United Nations Security Council. Peacekeepers would be sent to intervene.

But in this case, one of the greatest acts of mass killing to occur on American soil since the Civil War will not be committed by an army. It may, however, be committed by Jennifer Elrod and Kurt Engelhardt.”
thinkprogress.org

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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:56:24pm

That’s a state by state analysis of what gutting Obamacare would mean. It isn’t pretty.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2019 • 1:58:16pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s this AP story from last week:

Trip to check radiation after 1989 sinking of Russian sub

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:01:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:02:35pm

This may be the beginning of a long and very fucked up cycle..

Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.
Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.
Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.

And as all of this is going on, regular folks continue to get completely shafted on health care costs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:03:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:05:04pm

Question: Can the ACA survive without the Individual Mandate or will removing it totally fuck the whole thing?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:05:52pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Can the ACA survive without the Individual Mandate or will removing it totally fuck the whole thing?

The point was to kill it, and the mandate is the jugular

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:06:50pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

I, I have no words other than What. The. Ever. Loving. Fuck?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:06:52pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You can stop using all that technology created by “heathens” you crazy zealot nut.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:07:20pm

re: #187 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I, I have no words other than What. The. Ever. Loving. Fuck?

Evangelicals again showing how they’re no different than the Taliban.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:07:53pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Can the ACA survive without the Individual Mandate or will removing it totally fuck the whole thing?

I believe that the answer is a big fat Nope!

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Egregious Philbin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:08:02pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Which is why I call them Talibornagains…

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:08:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:09:51pm

re: #191 Egregious Philbin

Which is why I call them Talibornagains…

I’ve also heard Talibangelical. These people are bonkers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:10:30pm

re: #192 gocart mozart

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I’m so sick of these racist assholes who think they shouldn’t be called racist assholes.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:12:04pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You can stop using all that technology created by “heathens” you crazy zealot nut.

Errrm….
en.wikipedia.org

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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:12:13pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Can the ACA survive without the Individual Mandate or will removing it totally fuck the whole thing?

No. Because since the GOP tax bill passed, we’ve effectively been working without the mandate - that’s what setting the tax penalty to zero did - it created an unenforceable mandate. But the ACA still exists and still works, more or less. The exchanges still exist, the basic insurance requirements still exist.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:13:41pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Can the ACA survive without the Individual Mandate or will removing it totally fuck the whole thing?

Financially does it destroy it? No. The mandate was neutered from day one.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:14:08pm

re: #195 Eric The Fruit Bat

Errrm….
en.wikipedia.org

I meant in general. There’s plenty of tech developed by non Christians.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:15:23pm

So this Bratfrat FB meme spilled over into my timeline:

Facebook Post

Has nearly 80k comments after just 6 hours, nearly all of the mouth breathing Trumpers.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:16:12pm

re: #196 KGxvi

No. Because since the GOP tax bill passed, we’ve effectively been working without the mandate - that’s what setting the tax penalty to zero did - it created an unenforceable mandate. But the ACA still exists and still works, more or less. The exchanges still exist, the basic insurance requirements still exist.

Agree and the tampering with risk corridors etc done by reactionaries under Ryan have hurt the costs and insurance rates

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:17:54pm

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

This may be the beginning of a long and very fucked up cycle..

Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.
Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.
Democrats enact health care legislation,
the GOP destroys it.

And as all of this is going on, regular folks continue to get completely shafted on health care costs.

Hence why I live in South America

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:19:13pm

Erickson is full of sh*t. When Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer were accused of sexual assault of teenage boys, the Left condemned them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:22:59pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:23:01pm

Please welcome @TGrad98. He could use some follows. Thx

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:23:03pm

re: #199 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So this Bratfrat FB meme spilled over into my timeline:

Has nearly 80k comments after just 6 hours, nearly all of the mouth breathing Trumpers.

So she does not like hamburgers…

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:23:54pm

re: #202 DodgerFan1988

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Erickson is full of sh*t. When Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer were accused of sexual assault of teenage boys, the Left condemned them.

He means his imagined people in the pride parade. Fucker is disgusting

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:25:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:27:51pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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my guess is that Tony doesn’t know that we punch Nazis here…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:28:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:28:26pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:29:37pm
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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:29:53pm

re: #164 KGxvi

It’s a strange argument that the Trump Administration is making - that the mandate is now unconstitutional because the tax penalty has been set at zero. Could the next Congress and administration simply raises the tax penalty to some greater than zero? Does that make the mandate once again constitutional? Or what if, hypothetically, the next Congress and administration was to create a tax credit (in effect a negative penalty) for people buying insurance? If so, it seems rather foolish to say that the mandate is unconstitutional simply because a political decision to set a tax penalty/rate at a low level.

pretty much what the current subsidy is

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:30:17pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Far-right anti-Muslim UK activist Tommy Robinson begs Trump to grant him asylum after conviction

While his application is pending, he should be kept in the same camps under the same conditions as all the other recent applicants…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:31:13pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:32:06pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Who could have predicted that providing NO reasons for withdrawal would be deficient in the providing reasons department?

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:32:19pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:32:25pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:34:41pm

Death and bankruptcies to own the libs.

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bratwurst  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:34:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:39:52pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I’m just kinda done. Too much shit out in the world and personally. I know that in real life you don’t get a pony, unless you’re rich of course. I’d just like to see actual movement and some of these fucks to begin dropping like flies. I don’t don’t like this feeling like the bad guys are just gonna keep winning.

Then throw your time, money and energy into stopping this shit dead in the next 16 months. If our best try at the electoral process fails, then fall back and hope the comedians can bend the culture back.

“It’s too early to panic. I’ll tell you when to panic.”
—Atilla the Jumpmaster =

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:40:30pm

re: #219 bratwurst

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“But that’s different” party

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:41:12pm

AGHHHHHH!!!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:42:06pm

Be careful what you wish for, Trump. If the SC destroys the health care law at the end of June next year, you’re fucked.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:42:34pm

re: #222 Dave In Austin

I think he faked that. Listerine bottles have a seal around the cap.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:43:02pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

Be careful what you wish for, Trump. If the SC destroys the health care law at the end of June next year, you’re fucked.

we all wish that will happen.

but he is to the laws of politics what tachyons are to the laws of physics…

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:43:18pm

re: #224 jaunte

I hope so…..

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:44:24pm

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The end of June 2020 is also two weeks before the DNC convention in Milwaukee. It will be a rallying cry.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:45:08pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:46:52pm

re: #170 Old Liberal

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:46:54pm

So Trump had a falling out like 15 years ago with Epstein? OK, cuz the crimes were just before that ya dummy. Keep the mouth running.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:47:47pm

re: #224 jaunte

I think he faked that. Listerine bottles have a seal around the cap.

exactly. And it’s not easy to remove the shrinkwrap seal and impossible to put back.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:49:27pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

You can stop using all that technology created by “heathens” you crazy zealot nut.

Things like gunpowder? Iron, porcelain, paper, beer?

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:50:38pm

re: #228 jaunte

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I see attending a seminary, or whatever Erick has been doing in his free time has brought him closer to all mankind through his Lord and Savior.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:53:39pm

re: #233 calochortus

Getting together with the like-minded to consumingly obsess and be freakishly preoccupied.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:54:14pm

re: #232 sagehen

Things like gunpowder? Iron, porcelain, paper, beer?

Furthermore, if all these things would be better had they come from godly folks, why didn’t they come from those people in direct conversation with god?

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:54:23pm

Yeah technology

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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:54:32pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

May he find out upon arrival, if that occurs.

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Cheechako  Jul 9, 2019 • 2:58:33pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still dumber than a fucking stump.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:00:28pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:00:40pm

re: #229 Old Liberal

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:02:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:02:10pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:02:57pm

re: #241 Dave In Austin

For what it’s worth. I voted for Perot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:03:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:04:31pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:05:19pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:06:16pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

What a coincidence, I was just thinking, “You know, what US politics really needs right now is a Mark Foley comeback.”

In a Trump White House, he could be the freakn’ chaplain.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:07:55pm

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:09:13pm

re: #246 MsJ

And you don’t want your guests to get their hands on the blackmail goods.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:11:38pm

Not a fan of this guy but I like this tweet.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:18:00pm

Very on brand. Epstein can run point.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:18:17pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

For what it’s worth. I voted for Perot.

I admitted on here that I did also.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:26:27pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:29:08pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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Just turning another page in his life I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:29:14pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:36:25pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe, just maybe, God chose them rather than some “Christian” for a reason.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:37:20pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:37:40pm

re: #250 MsJ

Not a fan of this guy but I like this tweet.

Considering Trump is very much about what’s on TV, I can see that.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:37:59pm

AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHH!

I hate myself. I hate myself. I hate myself.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:38:32pm

re: #256 Belafon

Maybe, just maybe, God chose them rather than some “Christian” for a reason.

Of course. It’s a test of faith.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:40:52pm

re: #252 Eventual Carrion

re: #243 Dave In Austin

For what it’s worth. I voted for Perot.

I admitted on here that I did also.

Me three.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:43:48pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Re Flynn I gotta say that drumpf has sure taken the burnish off the military being all upright and honorable. Flynn, Kelly, McMaster, then I thought the new admiral was showing integrity by refusing drumpf but nope he was performing navel operations with a subordinate. Forgive me if I refuse to salute. No institution can drape themselves as being honorable. If they were, they’d be committed to outside accountability.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:46:25pm
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BlueGrl21  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:46:39pm

re: #258 Belafon

Considering Trump is very much about what’s on TV, I can see that.

When I saw that I told my husband it would send him into orbit because it was Fox News. MSNBC or CNN he could say had sought it out, but Fox News is supposed to be his buddies and censor that stuff.

I found it beautiful.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:47:05pm

re: #261 Eric The Fruit Bat

Me three.

I went through a long conservative bender for a good part of the 80’s and 90’s.

I know the moment it changed for good as I layed in bed with wife watching the tanks go over the berm into Iraq. I looked at her and said “I got a bad feeling here. This won’t bode well for anyone.” I knew it was a huge lie. And I never looked back and never watched Fox news again.

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BlueGrl21  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:48:25pm

re: #261 Eric The Fruit Bat

Me three.

I worked at Perot Systems on a partnership with my software company a few years ago. The entire headquarters was like a Perot museum. He ate in the cafeteria with us and had security with him at all times. Weird duck, paranoid, egocentric, and down to earth at the same time.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:50:04pm

re: #266 BlueGrl21

I found him to be a very interesting man. Interesting life….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:51:08pm
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William Lewis  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:53:40pm

re: #261 Eric The Fruit Bat

Me three.

Nope. Learned the third party lesson before I could vote by supporting Anderson in 1980. I would later hold my nose to vote for Reagan in 84 which was bad enough but i never used my vote to help the enemy win.

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Danack  Jul 9, 2019 • 3:53:44pm

Another cool image from Nasa:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:03:01pm

shots fired! SHOTS FIRED!!!111!!!

(gasps for breath)
(wipes eyes)

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:07:02pm

They really need a dungeon in the Capitol Building.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:07:07pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:08:24pm
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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:16:02pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

For what it’s worth. I voted for Perot.

My brother worked for him. (Waaaaay under him) Said EDS did some of the most insane, self-destructive stuff buying companies, throwing their workers into holes, putting in people who knew nothing, destroying the company, and then dumping it. Not all Perot, obviously. The only thing I know good about him is the herding cats commercial.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:20:17pm
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Tgrad98  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:20:44pm

Well, child rapists/predators always take care of their own so it just makes sense that they protect those responsible for letting epstein walk.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:21:04pm

re: #275 retired cynic

My brother worked for him. (Waaaaay under him) Said EDS did some of the most insane, self-destructive stuff buying companies, throwing their workers into holes, putting in people who knew nothing, destroying the company, and then dumping it. Not all Perot, obviously. The only thing I know good about him is the herding cats commercial.

This is why I’ve always said that people who think government should be run like a business have never seen the inside of a business.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:22:08pm

re: #277 Tgrad98

Greetings, hatchling!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:29:06pm

heh

(full disclosure: I have about a dozen knives like that…definitely special care required)

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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:29:26pm

re: #274 Dave In Austin

He’s filing in pro per in federal court. That means he couldn’t find an attorney willing to take his case. Which should tell you all you need to know about the merits of his case.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:29:45pm

re: #277 Tgrad98

Well, child rapists/predators always take care of their own so it just makes sense that they protect those responsible for letting epstein walk.

Welcome to the zoo. Lots of lizards here. 😁

And we like our drink. What did us bring us? The wine table is over there —->

(Seriously, welcome!)

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:30:15pm

re: #266 BlueGrl21

I worked at Perot Systems on a partnership with my software company a few years ago. The entire headquarters was like a Perot museum. He ate in the cafeteria with us and had security with him at all times. Weird duck, paranoid, egocentric, and down to earth at the same time.

Had a couple friends who I went to tech school with in Houston get jobs with EDS up in Dallas after we graduated. They said it was kind of a stuffy atmosphere, but not a bad place to work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:31:20pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:31:34pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:33:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:35:25pm

re: #286 Chrysicat

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stopped clock…

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KGxvi  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:36:41pm

re: #286 Chrysicat

Sounds good and all, but it’s not like there’s a lot of spending that the government has to do between now and then. All the stadiums that will be used are already built and in use. The government spending is mostly going to be security which will all happen much closer to the tournament… and probably be mostly at the state/local level.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:37:39pm

re: #286 Chrysicat

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why would women be required to register 18-26 when men only have to register 18-25?

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:42:17pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

why would women be required to register 18-26 when men only have to register 18-25?

I believe according to NRA debate rules, that guy is prohibited from discussing the draft now

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:44:51pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

[Embedded content]

(full disclosure: I have about a dozen knives like that…definitely special care required)

Zedushka was so pleased to show me the rack in our new dishwasher for placing the knives. He was shocked when I told him to never put prep knives in the dishwasher! No, not even the steak knives.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:47:06pm

I was about four months past my 15th birthday, but I recall it nearly as vividly as five days ago. Of course, that’s more because all my long-term memories are equally variable-intensity, rather than the recent ones being as sharp as I guess most folks’ are. But they also don’t prolly fade as much as others’ after the 1-year mark.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:47:11pm

I worked for EDS at a GM facility in the late ‘80’s - early 90’s. There was, erm, some conflict between the EDS IT folk and the GM folk.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:48:42pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:53:15pm

re: #294 Patricia Kayden

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See, Pompeo said people will just move, problem solved.

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jeffreyw  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:53:25pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

[Embedded content]

(full disclosure: I have about a dozen knives like that…definitely special care required)

I have at least two that cut me before they ever chopped any veggies. Out of the box and I’m OOhing over how sharp! and then OWching over how sharp!

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:54:43pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:55:57pm

re: #297 Chrysicat

Quite seriously, we’ve basically got a full-on rainy season up here. ‘mouse would tend to agree, I think. Not sure what happens if it keeps up because I think most streamcourses are still at spring capacity.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:57:11pm

re: #286 Chrysicat

[Embedded content]

um… there hasn’t been a draft in more than 40 years. And IIRC, the Senate did pass a bill in 2016, with Obama and his SecDef’s encouragement, that would have women register with the selective service just like men do. It was the House, a Republican-controlled House, that stripped that requirement.

cnn.com

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:58:30pm

re: #295 Old Liberal

See, Pompeo said people will just move, problem solved.

Like Shapiro said when the coasts flood, people can sell their houses and move.

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:59:31pm

re: #299 sagehen

um… there hasn’t been a draft in more than 40 years. And IIRC, the Senate did pass a bill in 2016, with Obama and his SecDef’s encouragement, that would have women register with the selective service just like men do. It was the House, a Republican-controlled House, that stripped that requirement.

cnn.com

I hope I’m not being the one chastised here. I’d forgotten we actually got a bill that close, but I was pretty sure most of our side was already insisting on what Mr. Republican Whataboutist was calling for us to support.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 4:59:54pm

re: #299 sagehen

um… there hasn’t been a draft in more than 40 years. And IIRC, the Senate did pass a bill in 2016, with Obama and his SecDef’s encouragement, that would have women register with the selective service just like men do. It was the House, a Republican-controlled House, that stripped that requirement.

cnn.com

They piss when women are excluded and they moan when women are included.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:01:02pm

THREAD

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:01:45pm

re: #300 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Climate Denial: A Measured Response

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:02:26pm

re: #303 The Pie Overlord!

THREAD

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“I moved on her like a bitch”

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:02:38pm
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sagehen  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:02:45pm

re: #301 Chrysicat

I hope I’m not being the one chastised here. I’d forgotten we actually got a bill that close, but I was pretty sure most of our side was already insisting on what Mr. Republican Whataboutist was calling for us to support.

no, I’m not chastising you. I’m chastising the (person?)(bot?) you’re conversing with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:03:05pm

re: #302 Old Liberal

They piss when women are excluded and they moan when women are included.

only happy when the wimmen are barefoot, preggers, and making sammiches in the kitchen

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:06:31pm

re: #303 The Pie Overlord!

THREAD

[Embedded content]

“Not my type”

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:08:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:08:35pm

re: #310 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

Dan River in North Carolina
Toxic algae on the beaches of Mississippi
Flint, Michigan

that’s just for starters

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:09:20pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:11:54pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

only happy when the wimmen are barefoot, preggers, and making sammiches in the kitchen

Their ideal arrangement at any given moment is a ratio of barefoot pregnant sandwich artisans to hot young things that fawn over them.

The exact proportion varies by the shithead and over the lifetime of the shithead, but it’s always there because ultimately it’s just human being as use-value-objects all the down.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:12:01pm

The evangelicals believe that God himself decided on Donald Trump to run the USA and they couldn’t be happier with him.

I can’t believe they can fill up the pews.

The Trump name and family crest are displayed prominently in the strip club’s advertising materials, which offer golfers the “caddy girl of your choice”.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:12:03pm
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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:12:28pm

re: #309 Eventual Carrion

“Not my type”

THAT’S IT!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:13:41pm
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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:14:56pm

Did Russia Launch the Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory?

In the end, Russia might or might not be the initiator of this conspiracy theory. But even if they weren’t, they obviously did everything they could to promote it. The lesson we can take from all of this is that it is very likely that Vladimir Putin and his cohort are behind a lot of the garbage that floats around in the sewers of social media, working its way up through right-wing news outlets, and eventually being parroted by the White House.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:15:07pm

re: #306 Dread Pirate

[Embedded content]

House Dems could force the issue by commencing an investigation into how the plea deal came to be and bring in some of Epstein’s victims to testify publicly.

But that would risk people suggesting something…you know…actually be done to address the criminal enterprise that is this administration./////

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:15:28pm
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b.d.  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:17:17pm

So Presidential and classy.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:18:32pm

re: #293 The Pie Overlord!

I worked for EDS at a GM facility in the late ‘80’s - early 90’s. There was, erm, some conflict between the EDS IT folk and the GM folk

During that time EDS poached many corporate IT staff in Detroit to beef up the work with GM.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:21:30pm

However, it’s good to see that Pelosi and McConnell have together in the spirit of bipartisanship…by agreeing that Congress should defer to the White House when the subject of past criminal actions by members of the Cabinet come to light.

///////

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DangerMan  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:22:19pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

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here’s the event poster, laying out the pricing for the tournament. Trump Org & NBA/WNBA say they didn’t approve use of logos.

Sux when that happens huh?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:26:57pm

re: #323 Eric The Fruit Bat

During that time EDS poached many corporate IT staff in Detroit to beef up the work with GM.

GM IT workers were forced to quit GM and join EDS, and they lost all their seniority and GM benefits. There was much dissatisfaction and there were conversations with the UAW, the first time that white-collar workers considered joining a union.

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:27:41pm

re: #322 b.d.

So Presidential and classy.

Special rates for evangelicals.

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Old Liberal  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:33:28pm

re: #315 b.d.

The evangelicals believe that God himself decided on Donald Trump to run the USA and they couldn’t be happier with him.

[Embedded content]

I can’t believe they can fill up the pews.

“Yeah libtard if we refused to let strippers into a club you’d claim discrimination so there”

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:33:38pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

In case you can’t multiply 450 by 4.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:34:26pm

re: #315 b.d.

If you judge their deeds rather than their words, then the rule isn’t chastity for all, but rather a X/Y plot of “what sex stuff a dude can get away” versus “clout obtaining through money, influence, and piety.”

Ultimately they’re authoritarians first and…moral, bound by scripture…distant second if at all. The ur-assumption is that they, The Elect, get to determine all aspects of fucking. The rule that overarches both “purity culture” and “boys will be boys” is: there’s a hierarchy, and those higher on the hierarchy dictate the terms of good versus bad fucking.

Make no mistake, these are people who like there to be a stigmatized, degrading demimonde. They specifically want a sexual culture in which there are vulnerable people for them to exploit and discard, where the power gradient is in their favor. They always want to be the fuckers, never the fuckees.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:34:47pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

House Dems could force the issue by commencing an investigation into how the plea deal came to be and bring in some of Epstein’s victims to testify publicly.

But that would risk people suggesting something…you know…actually be done to address the criminal enterprise that is this administration./////

Or Dems can turn the story into how they’re going after poor defenseless Acosta.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:40:46pm

re: #331 Belafon

Or Dems can turn the story into how they’re going after poor defenseless Acosta.

Ya know, I freely admit I’m a cynical bastard, but even I find myself impressed by how every single suggestion of action by the Dems to address this administration is met with pessimistic arguments for total inaction. “Stay the course” is not that inspiring of an election theme.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:40:57pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:41:59pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:42:52pm

re: #332 Targetpractice

Ya know, I freely admit I’m a cynical bastard, but even I find myself impressed by how every single suggestion of action by the Dems to address this administration is met with pessimistic arguments for total inaction. “Stay the course” is not that inspiring of an election theme.

Well, Trump’s been more likely to fire someone accept their reservation if it becomes an embarrassment for him.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:44:35pm

re: #334 Dread Pirate

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The obvious answer: Trump didn’t want cops looking around and finding out the shit that went on at Mar-A-Lago that he actually approved of.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:45:02pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:45:32pm

re: #335 Belafon

Well, Trump’s been more likely to fire someone accept their reservation if it becomes an embarrassment for him.

And instead of hastening along the process by turning his continued employment into a liability, we’re instead hoping and praying that the matter stays relevant to the press long enough that Donny feels its better to eject him than keep him.

Truly we are taking the “fight” to him./////

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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:46:40pm

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Anybody want to bet he sterilized the hell out of that bowl before he drank toilet water to own the libs?

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:46:43pm

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, I don’t really believe he did that voluntarily. I’d more readily believe that he either lost a bet or his boss “encouraged” him to do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:46:54pm

plus, all the elected Republican women are Stepford politicians

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:47:30pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:48:17pm

re: #342 gocart mozart

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OFFS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:49:27pm

Amy is gonna kick ass and take names, and they are already askeert

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:51:02pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:51:20pm

Is there really no part of my childhood that is safe from being “rebooted” by Hollywood?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:51:36pm

Trump’s election was worse for the US than 9/11…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:52:39pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:53:40pm

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bratwurst  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:53:46pm

Hey hard to blame him for thinking the time is right when the current POTUS stands up for child molesters and the enablers of child molesters I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:56:29pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:57:14pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

plus, all the elected Republican women are Stepford politicians

Hey, let’s not underestimate the time and effort they put into transforming everything into caricature because they can only relate to people as a collection of hackneyed tropes and find the idea of nuanced flawed people frightening and upsetting because it subtly suggests how small and empty they are….

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:57:52pm
A whole new Twitter is coming
New features and a new look are launching soon. Bookmarks, account switching, dark mode, and so much more — before long, you’ll be able to see what’s happening even faster.

I am filled with dread.

(I only needed one more drop to top off the tank.)

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2019 • 5:59:54pm

re: #353 wrenchwench

I am filled with dread.

(I only needed one more drop to top off the tank.)

This means I’m going to be two whole twitters behind, doesn’t it?

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Chrysicat  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:01:31pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:02:27pm

re: #327 Skip Intro

Special rates for evangelicals.

Wholesale discounts.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:03:28pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:05:30pm

re: #346 Targetpractice

Is there really no part of my childhood that is safe from being “rebooted” by Hollywood?

You should see what they’ve done with The Banana Splits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:05:56pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:09:27pm

re: #357 gocart mozart

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Deep in his brainstem, Dershowitz’ last lawyerly instincts are yelling for him to SHUT UP.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:10:34pm

re: #358 Dread Pirate

You should see what they’ve done with The Banana Splits.

Stage One: everything cute is now dark and edgy.

Stage Two: everything dark and edgy will be rebooted as a Sanrio character.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2019 • 6:13:29pm

re: #361 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Stage One: everything cute is now dark and edgy.

Stage Two: everything dark and edgy will be rebooted as a Sanrio character.

Can’t wait for the Michael Bay take on Captain Video.

1950’s Captain Video TV show Intro

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 9, 2019 • 7:26:41pm

re: #361 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Oh geez am i ever tired of darker and edgier.


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