Like Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein Had a Special Relationship With DeutscheBank

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These are the last three paragraphs in tonight’s New York Times article on Jeffrey Epstein’s wealth, but they may turn out to be the most important.

In recent years, Mr. Epstein was a client of Deutsche Bank’s private-banking division, which caters to ultrawealthy individuals and families. The bank provided Mr. Epstein with loans and wealth-management accounts, as well as trading services through its investment banking arm, according to two people familiar with the relationship. At one point, compliance officers at Deutsche Bank raised concerns about transactions by Mr. Epstein’s company, because he posed reputational risk to the bank, the people said.

Deutsche Bank managers overruled their concerns, the people said. They noted that there was nothing illegal about the transactions and that Mr. Epstein was a lucrative client.

Earlier this year, the bank ended its relationship with Mr. Epstein.

Hmm, besides Jeffrey Epstein, who else had a special relationship with DeutscheBank? Wait, it’ll come to me.

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1
plansbandc  Jul 10, 2019 • 5:58:37pm

Evil has won and we are done as a country, but boy did this tweet make me laugh.

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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:00:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:01:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:04:33pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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So all that pizzagate stuff. Just another projection sigh. We really have the worst people in the WH. I’d take a Mafioso over Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:05:26pm

CLed again:

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

Tom’s problem here is not recognizing that ‘Conservative Intellectual’ was always an oxymoron.

As an earnest young conservative, I was dazzled by Buckley’s erudition and eloquence——— until I went to Cornell and found out how erudition and eloquence were supposed to work. There are many terms for Buckley’s technique, but “baffle ‘em with bullshit” is my choice.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:07:21pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

CLed again:

As an earnest young conservative, I was dazzled by Buckley’s erudition and eloquence——— until I went to Cornell and found out how erudition and eloquence were supposed to work. There are many terms for Buckley’s technique, but “baffle ‘em with bullshit” is my choice.

Buckley was just Ben Shapiro before Ben Shapiro. A mediocre intellect with a big mouth for a movement full of low intellects.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:07:50pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

CLed again:

As an earnest young conservative, I was dazzled by Buckley’s erudition and eloquence——— until I went to Cornell and found out how erudition and eloquence were supposed to work. There are many terms for Buckley’s technique, but “baffle ‘em with bullshit” is my choice.

‘Sokay. I joined you there.

When Buckley used his obviously great intellect in service to the worst people in society, reason simply became rationalizing. Philosophy became sophistry.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:10:19pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

‘Sokay. I joined you there.

When Buckley used his obviously great intellect in service to the worst people in society, reason simply became rationalizing. Philosophy became sophistry.

I still contend he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was but as you said, so much what he did was rationalizing whether that was Jim Crow, Apartheid, or right wing authoritarianism.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:12:45pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Buckley was just Ben Shapiro before Ben Shapiro. A mediocre intellect with a big mouth for a movement full of low intellects.

Buckley also foisted Dinesh D’Souza on the unsuspecting on one of the PBS specials hosted by Michael Kinsley. Just for that alone people need to void on his gravesite.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:13:15pm

re: #9 Eric The Fruit Bat

Buckley also foisted Dinesh D’Souza on the unsuspecting on one of the PBS specials hosted by Michael Kinsley. Just for that alone people need to void on his gravesite.

Did not know that.

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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:13:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:14:07pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

I still contend he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was but as you said, so much what he did was rationalizing whether that was Jim Crow, Apartheid, or right wing authoritarianism.

I’ve known people who are unquestionably very smart, but have blind spots where their brain stops reasoning, and goes for rationalization instead. At that point they can make up arguments that sound really good at first hearing but which rationally are pure nonsense, but because they NEED TO believe them, they can’t hear the bullshit they’re spewing.

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b.d.  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:14:34pm

The Wells Fargo guys must love DeutscheBank for taking title of worst bank.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:15:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:15:30pm

re: #9 Eric The Fruit Bat

Buckley also foisted Dinesh D’Souza on the unsuspecting on one of the PBS specials hosted by Michael Kinsley. Just for that alone people need to void on his gravesite.

Can’t I just go piss on Dinesh D’Souza directly?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:15:50pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

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Yeah because the KKK loves Muslim refugees. Fuck off. You literally echo the Klan’s language everyday when you engage in nativism.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:16:20pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve known people who are unquestionably very smart, but have blind spots where their brain stops reasoning, and goes for rationalization instead. At that point they can make up arguments that sound really good at first hearing but which rationally are pure nonsense, but because they NEED TO believe them, they can’t hear the bullshit they’re spewing.

That’s very true.

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Skip Intro  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:16:45pm

re: #13 b.d.

The Wells Fargo guys must love DeutscheBank for taking title of worst bank.

It’s a “criminal” bank.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:17:11pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

That’s very true.

It’s like confirmation bias on steroids.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:17:35pm

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like confirmation bias on steroids.

Right. Definitely is.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:18:47pm
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Belafon  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:22:16pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

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EPR-radar  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:22:18pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve known people who are unquestionably very smart, but have blind spots where their brain stops reasoning, and goes for rationalization instead. At that point they can make up arguments that sound really good at first hearing but which rationally are pure nonsense, but because they NEED TO believe them, they can’t hear the bullshit they’re spewing.

A famous example of this was William Shockley, Nobel Prize winning physicist for the transistor, becoming an outspoken ‘race realist’ in his later years.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:22:53pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

Oh boys…

“Hey, where the white women at?”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:27:09pm
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MsJ  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:28:38pm
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Belafon  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:28:57pm

Happy Idris is actually a little weird:

ispot.tv

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:29:10pm

re: #25 Dave In Austin

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They always say he’s making us great again. They can never say what he’s actually doing.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:31:46pm

re: #27 Belafon

Happy Idris is actually a little weird:

ispot.tv

Is he a Brit or an Aussie?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:32:32pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Is he a Brit or an Aussie?

Brit. Needs to be the next Bond imo.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:34:44pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Sounds Australian in that ad.
And I agree on the Bond.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:35:38pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

Sounds Australian in that ad.
And I agree on the Bond.

Yeah. He’s super charismatic.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:38:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:38:50pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:41:06pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I’d like to see something with him and Tom Hardy in something

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:41:53pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

I’d like to see something with him and Tom Hardy in something

Yeah that would be cool.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:42:05pm

Alright. Night.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:42:28pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Why am I not surprised to see Tracey come to that fool’s defense?

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EPR-radar  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:47:25pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Pelosi and the House Democrats have two major handicaps — a hostile media and mostly indifferent persuadables in the public.

So what. The plan can’t simply be to roll over and do nothing in the face of these obstacles.

Democrats didn’t win the House in 2018 on a platform of not even trying to oppose Trump.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:49:06pm

Here’s a story.

Back in the early mid 1990s my ex and I had a weekend house in Salisbury, CT. This is the northwest corner of the state. Salisbury is a place where New Yorkers go to chill, if you want to party you go to the Hamptons.

One day we were invited to a party at a friend of a friends house. We got there and after a time this person who looked familiar came up and introduced himself as Rip. We chatted or awhile, he was supper cool. On the way home we realized who it was and he was in one of favorite movies, The Beastmaster.

Over the years people from the party would get together (rip was never there). We all followed his career and cheered him on.

Years latter he got drunk and tried to break into a bank in town (he thought it was his house).

Still think he was super cool.

the end

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:51:28pm

re: #25 Dave In Austin

Wow! President Trump is ON FIRE!

Promises, promises.

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Belafon  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:56:18pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

Pelosi and the House Democrats have two major handicaps — a hostile media and mostly indifferent persuadables in the public.

So what. The plan can’t simply be to roll over and do nothing in the face of these obstacles.

Democrats didn’t win the House in 2018 on a platform of not even trying to oppose Trump.

And then you have some of the leadership immediately below her that aren’t in a hurry to go after Trump, including some openly hostile to the new women.

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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:57:00pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:58:58pm

re: #40 I Would Prefer Not To

The story of the drunken Rip Torn bank break in. (My friends brother wrote this article)
registercitizen.com

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Belafon  Jul 10, 2019 • 6:59:50pm

I still think July isn’t a good time to try anything, but she needs to make more noise (and we need to make sure we’re catching it). It migh help if she also kicked the butts of the chairmen who aren’t doing their jobs.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:04:09pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:06:19pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:07:12pm

Candide, you magnificent bastard!

CANDIDE THOVEX | THE WAVE | BTS 03

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:12:45pm

So I see the Treasury Dept is running out of money faster than expected. I thought the tax cuts would pay for themselves and then some.

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:14:07pm

“…Robert Morosky, who had been the vice chairman of The Limited, was surprised Mr. Wexner took to Mr. Epstein so readily. “Everyone was mystified as to what his appeal was,” Mr. Morosky said. “I checked around and found out he was a private high school math teacher, and that was all I could find out. There was just nothing there.”

At the time, Forbes estimated Mr. Wexner’s net worth at $1.8 billion, placing him 52nd on its billionaires list. Managing his money would be a lucrative business, but Mr. Epstein did more than that: A corporation controlled jointly by the two men bought a mansion on East 71st Street in Manhattan in 1989 for $13.2 million, at the time the highest price ever paid for a Manhattan townhouse, according to property records.”
nytimes.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:21:59pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:25:04pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:27:40pm

This has happened to me, on Stagecoach Reservoir.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:30:09pm

These idiots are going to kill us all.
reviewjournal.com

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dell*nix  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:45:48pm

I am at the point that Pelosi should do a Travis on Santa Ana(Trump). Might lose that battle, but set up the conditions for victory. Make the GOP own Trump and every crook within a thousand miles of him.

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:47:33pm

No wonder it crashes regularly.

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:49:42pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:51:06pm

re: #52 gocart mozart

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This is real Blofeld territory. Satellite view of Epstein’s Little Saint James and Great Saint James Islands. The sound-proof lock-from-the-outside temple is on the lower left of Little Saint James. I also see what might be a flock of sheep———well, best not to go there.

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:55:13pm

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gocart mozart  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:58:18pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:58:28pm

re: #50 jaunte

Article behind a paywall for me, but…

Epstein’s entire rep as an investing guru could be vapor and the specific valuation of his worth overly high, but the premise provided a shell allowing for big quantities of money to move in and out of financial vehicles (corporations and such) masking entirely illegal activity. It could be he’s been a trafficker and a pimp all along, and his finances need to be scrutinized to a forensic degree.

That in turn suggests that no one who’s transacted with him should be fucking trusted, because anyone handing that much money to a financial advisor is doing some kind of due diligence on how it’s being used. And I’ve said before…it’s understandable to focus on demand side of trafficking because they’re garbage in a very intuitive ways, but we should also remember that the operators on the supply side are just a much monsters even if they’re only interested in return on investment. It’s quite possible that Epstein’s associates weren’t only clients paying for services or being extorted after the fact, but men looking for good passive income.

And if that sounds dark, consider that international business—banks like DB and HSBC, legal firms like Mosack-Fonesca— keeps getting caught laundering money. Big finance absolutely loves the speed and efficiency with which criminal operations pile up liquid assets, and look the other way, why wouldn’t venture capitalists feel the same?

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jaunte  Jul 10, 2019 • 7:59:15pm

Imagine going to law school and then your job is to strip the metadata and hide the video evidence in a stack of other video evidence. What hacks.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:00:54pm

re: #27 Belafon

Idris Elba is the “bad guy”in the upcoming Fast & Furious spinoff, Hobbs and Shaw. It looks like the most ridiculously violent & idiotically entertaining movie this year.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:04:09pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:07:50pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:10:42pm

re: #64 Dread Pirate

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:15:12pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:18:49pm

This piece of sh*t Wall Street Journal article defending Alex Acosta and blaming the victims for “not coming forward” and “not cooperating with the investigation.” WSJ is the bottom of the barrel.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:19:42pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:22:46pm
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Belafon  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:26:02pm

6-Year-Old Humanitarian Brings Hope to Refugee Kids Across the World

This six year old has visited refugee camps. I couldn’t find a link to the story on WFAA that’s an update to this one, but she raised the $50,000 in order to open a school for refugee kids in a camp in Greece, considered the worst camp in the world.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:27:49pm

re: #61 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Article behind a paywall for me, but…

Epstein’s entire rep as an investing guru could be vapor and the specific valuation of his worth overly high, but the premise provided a shell allowing for big quantities of money to move in and out of financial vehicles (corporations and such) masking entirely illegal activity. It could be he’s been a trafficker and a pimp all along, and his finances need to be scrutinized to a forensic degree.

That in turn suggests that no one who’s transacted with him should be fucking trusted, because anyone handing that much money to a financial advisor is doing some kind of due diligence on how it’s being used. And I’ve said before…it’s understandable to focus on demand side of trafficking because they’re garbage in a very intuitive ways, but we should also remember that the operators on the supply side are just a much monsters even if they’re only interested in return on investment. It’s quite possible that Epstein’s associates weren’t only clients paying for services or being extorted after the fact, but men looking for good passive income.

And if that sounds dark, consider that international business—banks like DB and HSBC, legal firms like Mosack-Fonesca— keeps getting caught laundering money. Big finance absolutely loves the speed and efficiency with which criminal operations pile up liquid assets, and look the other way, why wouldn’t venture capitalists feel the same?

So Epstein’s wealth is due to
1. Facilitating money laundering
or
2. Running a global human trafficking ring
or
3. Maybe running a Madoff style scam?

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:31:15pm

re: #61 The Ghost of Quesos Past

I say all this because right now there’s a lot of talk about the plane and the island…

…but who was putting in and taking out money is at least as important if not more important.

The former two are comparatively small things a rich narcissist can do for others, and given this guy’s sexual MO he probably collects powerful “friends” because it makes him feels smart/powerful himself. People that hung with him should be scrutinized hard and if nothing turns up given copious shit because it’s pretty damn clear that they were willing to just fucking gossip.

But the people giving huge amounts of cash to be “invested”…they’re paying a subscription to Epstein for what exactly? What percentage of investment did he manage per annum on their accounts? If those numbers don’t add up, if he wasn’t doing better than an average index fund…never fucking let them go out in public again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:32:20pm

re: #68 DodgerFan1988

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This piece of sh*t Wall Street Journal article defending Alex Acosta and blaming the victims for “not coming forward” and “not cooperating with the investigation.” WSJ is the bottom of the barrel.

The WSJ editorials and opinion pieces have always been unadulterated trash and dishonest propaganda. For awhile, years ago, they did have one honest writer Al Hunt — but other than that they are liars and deceivers all the way.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 10, 2019 • 8:46:36pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no idea, I’m speculating.

He runs an investing house where people put millions in accounts he manages and he makes a percentage fee. He makes all the portfolio decisions himself. My speculation is that this is the perfect vehicle for creating the semblance of legitimate financial transactions, but I don’t know what the shape of the theoretical covered-up illegal transactions are.

For example, this structure could be a way of concealing extortion or fee-for-illegal service:

Epstein takes a ten million account and puts it into a conventional index—a safe bet, average return, and basically no active management required—and it earns 500K per annum. He takes an annual fee of 5%, so that’s 25K for him. The investor’s money is active in the market and thus useful, but that 25K represents very little effort or time…so it’s a perfect way of transferring money to Epstein that is legal, even if there’s an illegal activity co-occurring—paying blackmail money or paying for his pimping services.

That’s the simplest version of how his investing house could be used to cover illegal activity related to trafficking. Much more complicated systems are also possible that would also incorporate stuff like (1) actually laundering money from trafficking, (2) using investment capital to power illegal activity such as trafficking.

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MsJ  Jul 10, 2019 • 9:12:24pm

re: #68 DodgerFan1988

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This piece of sh*t Wall Street Journal article defending Alex Acosta and blaming the victims for “not coming forward” and “not cooperating with the investigation.” WSJ is the bottom of the barrel.

There’s a litany of bad takes from the Murdoch Street Journal of late. Really bad takes.

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MsJ  Jul 10, 2019 • 9:13:51pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

So Epstein’s wealth is due to
1. Facilitating money laundering
or
2. Running a global human trafficking ring
or
3. Maybe running a Madoff style scam?

Blackmailing very wealthy people. VERY wealthy people.

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mmmirele  Jul 10, 2019 • 9:15:44pm

re: #13 b.d.

The Wells Fargo guys must love DeutscheBank for taking title of worst bank.

If only. Deutsche Bank is going to have to work harder. C’mon! Signed, we’re still under tight OCC and Fed scrutiny.


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