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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:29:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:34:06am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:34:19am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:34:41am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:36:03am

Color me unsurprised that a guy who had a problem with drinking in his youth drinks half a dozen or more Diet Cokes a day. Addictive behavior from an addictive personality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:36:54am

move over Florida Man

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:39:51am

“Bad Lip Reading” is still more coherent than Trump on a good day.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:41:03am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:41:18am
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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:42:44am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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No wonder the evangelical crowd loves him so. Donny seems to feel rather comfortable up on a cross.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:43:58am

re: #8 gocart mozart

Speaking of dumbshitery, where the hell has Rage Furby been hiding?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:44:46am

re: #11 Dr. Matt

Speaking of dumbshitery, where the hell has Rage Furby been hiding?

Hopefully in a very deep hole.

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Ming5000  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:45:13am

Bad Lip Reading got Ivanka spot on

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:45:33am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:46:08am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully in a very deep hole.

With dirt on the top.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:47:17am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully in a very deep hole that is filled with shit.

Slight edit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:48:05am

re: #16 Dr. Matt

Slight edit.

Any hole he’s in is filled with shit.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:48:43am

It never fails to amaze me how the crowd that loves to throw words like “snowflakes” and “safe zones” around whine so loudly about “censorship” because Twitter banned them or Youtube took away their ad revenue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:48:52am

The Twitter Machine seems to be acting up.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:49:22am

re: #17 Blind Frog Belly White

For the win.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:50:30am

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

Something is technically wrong… yeah… they continue to ignore the real problems with the platform and instead of booting goddamned nazis from the platform on TOS violations, they give us night mode.

No edit mode either.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:50:58am

re: #18 Targetpractice

It never fails to amaze me how the crowd that loves to throw words like “snowflakes” and “safe zones” around whine so loudly about “censorship” because Twitter banned them or Youtube took away their ad revenue.

Of course! The fact that there are other voices than theirs means they’re being silenced. Any criticism of their expressed opinions is an attack on free speech. Imaginary persecution is the opiate of the Conservative movement.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:51:57am

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

The Twitter Machine seems to be acting up.

Yeah, does appear the whole system crashed

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:52:02am

Ivanka is going to North Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty? Seriously?

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DangerMan  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:52:44am

gonna repost from downstairs, beside the dumbass Kirk who wrote it…

Washington Post gives their op-ed page to racist scumbag Charlie Kirk.

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“it’s time to treat tech platforms like publishers”
No. tech platforms are nothing like publishers

- publishers are active gate keepers to their ‘printing presses’ or mechanisms.
- they are free to accept any work they want
- they are free to reject any work they want
- im no expert. i think there is virtually no such thing as ‘discriminatory rejection’
- they even assist by editing the material and with layout, art, etc.

- the ‘tech platforms’ he means are merely the ‘printing presses’ open to everybody
— they give you access to the publication machine
- the owners (presumably) dont participate in what’s posted or not
- with the exception that they each have house rules that are supposed to be fair and uniformly enforced

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:54:22am

re: #24 Skip Intro

Ivanka is going to North Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty? Seriously?

Wait, what?

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:58:28am

re: #24 Skip Intro

Ivanka is going to North Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty? Seriously?

“We’ll give you three nukes if you’ll allow me to launch my brand.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:59:02am

re: #27 Belafon

A launch for a launch? Seems fair.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 11:59:19am

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

Now I have to find where I read that. Give me some time.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:01:26pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

Ivanka is going to North Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty? Seriously?

I tried to do a google news search of that, and I think I killed google with that. It choked back a laugh, before coming back with her photobombing the Asia summit and injecting herself among diplomats when she has zero experience or knowledge.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:02:02pm

re: #29 Skip Intro

Already happened. My bad.


Ivanka Trump joined in nuclear negotiations with Kim Jong Un after criticism over her role at G20, reports say

sfgate.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:02:51pm

re: #30 lawhawk

I tried to do a google news search of that, and I think I killed google with that. It choked back a laugh, before coming back with her photobombing the Asia summit and injecting herself among diplomats when she has zero experience or knowledge.

Yep — I only see that she and Jared accompanied her father during his meeting — not that she will be involved in any future negotiations.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:02:54pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Already happened. My bad.


Ivanka Trump joined in nuclear negotiations with Kim Jong Un after criticism over her role at G20, reports say

sfgate.com

Worst ‘Bring Your Daughter To Work Day’ EVAR.

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SteelPH  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:03:02pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

We live in the worst timeline.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:03:13pm

question for charles:

do you know anything about this controversy about kenny burrell?

LOS ANGELES — It had been more than two years since Jacques Lesure had seen Kenny Burrell, 87 , but the legendary jazz guitarist seemed okay on the phone in April. No mention of overwhelming medical bills or impending eviction. No suggestion that he feared that merely allowing a visitor into his home could lead to a fatal illness.

“I’ve never heard him sound like he’s on death’s door,” said Lesure, a fellow guitarist who has known Burrell for 25 years and had been delivering groceries to his door until recently. “And I’ve never had a financial conversation with Kenny.”

But on May 9, Katherine Goodrich, 50, Burrell’s wife, launched a GoFundMe campaign because, she wrote, the couple desperately needed help. Their medical expenses, a case of identity theft and a dispute with the homeowner’s association in their building made her fear they faced homelessness. “I can’t maintain Kenny’s health and safety in that kind of environment,” she wrote.

The great Kenny Burrell, a hero to generations of guitarists and one of the few jazz giants still alive, was in serious trouble. Or was he? When the UCLA police showed up on May 10 for a wellness check, they said Burrell assured them he was fine.

Lesure was mystified by Goodrich’s plea. He says Burrell’s friends and family — he has four adult children from previous marriages — would never let him end up homeless. Burrell also remains a professor at UCLA, where he has been on paid leave since 2017, according to the university. Sue Townsley, another friend who maintained phone contact, said she felt the same way.

news.google.com

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:04:46pm

re: #35 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

That’s a new one to me. Haven’t heard anything about it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:05:13pm

Twitter’s having serious issues.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:05:19pm

Here are some tidbits from Tim Alberta’s Trump book, American Carnage, that includes on-the-record quotes from Republican officials and an interview with Trump from the WaPo.

Alberta reports that Trump berated Ryan over a 2018 spending bill because it didn’t include funding for his border wall but then said he would sign it if Ryan were to give him time to build suspense on Twitter. Ryan agreed and then publicly sang the president’s praises after the meeting.

Standing before the group of religious leaders in 2018, Trump said of Christianity, ” ‘I owe so much to it in so many ways.’ He then proceeded to explain that he wouldn’t be standing before them without it — not because of how the faith shaped his life or informed his worldview, but ‘because the Evangelical vote was mostly gotten by me.’ The attendees walked out of the room in a daze.”

In 2016, Trump described why then-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie could not become attorney general.

“Because that guy would prosecute my own kids and not think twice about it,” Trump told campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to the book.

Trump also makes clear how much he enjoys the campaign trail.

Worried he may miss a rally in South Carolina, he yells at the Air Force One pilots to land a plane in a monsoon-like rain after they circled for an hour, swearing that he could land the plane.

After a 2018 rally in Missouri where Trump soaked in the adulation of the crowd, he screams into the night: “I f—-ing love this job!”

My mood vacillates between 😱 and 🤬. Trump and his enablers are disgusting evil wankers one and all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:05:50pm

re: #34 SteelPH

We live in the worst timeline.

Speaking of timelines, I saw on Amazon that the final season of “The Man In The High Castle” is coming soon! I watched the teaser trailer, and got all excited!

Then I noticed that by ‘soon’, they meant NOVEMBER!!!!

Shit.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:06:11pm

So now ABC has a long story about how Trump is going to back off adding the citizenship question today.

abcnews.go.com

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Semper Fi  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:08:45pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

Ivanka is going to North Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty? Seriously?

I think she can do just as well as dad.
/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:09:10pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

So now ABC has a long story about how Trump is going to back off adding the citizenship question today.

abcnews.go.com

I’ll believe it when I see it.

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:09:29pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

So now ABC has a long story about how Trump is going to back off adding the citizenship question today.

abcnews.go.com

Like anyone knows what the hell he’ll do when his microphone is on.

I noticed the Freepers think Obama removed the question by EO. When someone pointed out it had been dropped in 1960, one person thanked him for the information and everyone else went back to discussing how Trump could easily reinstate the question with an EO since Obama had removed it with one.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:10:44pm

Twitter in the Shitter

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SteelPH  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:11:35pm

re: #43 calochortus

Like anyone knows what the hell he’ll do when his microphone is on.

I noticed the Freepers think Obama removed the question by EO. When someone pointed out it had been dropped in 1960, one person thanked him for the information and everyone else went back to discussing how Trump could easily reinstate the question with an EO since Obama had removed it with one.

Didn’t realize Obama was president in 1960 at the age of -1.
//

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:11:50pm

“Digital Warriors”. JFC, NY Tmes, this is bad, even for you.

White House Hosts ‘Social Media Summit’ for Pro-Trump Digital Warriors

nytimes.com

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:12:01pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ll believe it when I see it.

I won’t even believe it then.

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:13:22pm

re: #45 SteelPH

Didn’t realize Obama was president in 1960 at the age of -1.
//

I know. Just shows how evil the liberals really are, doesn’t it?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:13:22pm

re: #43 calochortus

Like anyone knows what the hell he’ll do when his microphone is on.

I noticed the Freepers think Obama removed the question by EO. When someone pointed out it had been dropped in 1960, one person thanked him for the information and everyone else went back to discussing how Trump could easily reinstate the question with an EO since Obama had removed it with one.

Willful, impenetrable ignorance. Even in those who might be briefly convinced of the truth, the lie they want to believe often returns quickly.

It’s why I gave up on an archery/bowhunting forum where I used to argue politics and economics with Conservatives. A fay or so after I’d shown the data on tax cuts never paying for themselves, let alone increasing revenue, somebody who’d been on that thread said, “We know that tax cuts always increase tax revenue.”

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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:13:36pm

Twitter put me on time out a few days ago for calling Charlie Kirk a whore.

So it’s payback time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:14:01pm

re: #45 SteelPH

Didn’t realize Obama was president in 1960 at the age of -1.
//

Time Travellin’ Obama, at it again!

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DangerMan  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:14:07pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

Worst ‘Bring Your Daughter To Work Day’ EVAR.

he acts like he’s never gonna not be president
like the entire country and all its relationships are his private company

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:14:40pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

Willful, impenetrable ignorance. Even in those who might be briefly convinced of the truth, the lie they want to believe often returns quickly.

It’s why I gave up on an archery/bowhunting forum where I used to argue politics and economics with Conservatives. A fay or so after I’d shown the data on tax cuts never paying for themselves, let alone increasing revenue, somebody who’d been on that thread said, “We know that tax cuts always increase tax revenue.”

And when you ask for evidence, it’s either “it’s common sense,” or the ever popular crickets.

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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:15:39pm

LOOMER!

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:16:08pm

re: #43 calochortus

Like anyone knows what the hell he’ll do when his microphone is on.

I noticed the Freepers think Obama removed the question by EO. When someone pointed out it had been dropped in 1960, one person thanked him for the information and everyone else went back to discussing how Trump could easily reinstate the question with an EO since Obama had removed it with one.

The problem Trump will have with an EO is the same one he’s had with trying to do it through the regulatory process - the intent is obviously and purely discriminatory in nature. The “out” that Roberts gave in his opinion wasn’t really for Trump, it was for the administration that will be running the 2030 census. Asking about citizenship isn’t inherently discriminatory, and there are some potentially reasons that would pass rational basis standards - like for example getting a count/estimate of people who may be subject to the selective service over the next decade, should there need to be a draft.

Beyond that, there’s no way this gets back to the Supreme Court in time for a ruling before census documents start going out.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:17:10pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Time Travellin’ Obama, at it again!

If Obama really is a Time Lord, I wonder which regeneration he’s on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:18:05pm

re: #56 KGxvi

If Obama really is a Time Lord, I wonder which regeneration he’s on.

And next time, does he come back as a GURL?!?

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:19:21pm

re: #55 KGxvi

The question is whether he will try to order the census to be printed with the question, and whether anyone is willing to take that bullet (legally speaking) for him and insist that it be printed that way. I’m guessing the answer will be “no” at some level.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:20:50pm

re: #58 calochortus

The question is whether he will try to order the census to be printed with the question, and whether anyone is willing to take that bullet (legally speaking) for him and insist that it be printed that way. I’m guessing the answer will be “no” at some level.

Allegedly, they already started printing without the question. At least that was the representations made to the court and by Ross before Trump lost his shit in order to distract us from something else.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:22:18pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Twitter’s having serious issues.

Well, they solved the Nazis posting problem. Their solution was, shall we say, unique.

They killed the platform.

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TedStriker  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:23:25pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

“Digital Warriors”. JFC, NY Tmes, this is bad, even for you.

White House Hosts ‘Social Media Summit’ for Pro-Trump Digital Warriors

nytimes.com

Trump’s online Sturmabteilung.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:23:33pm

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

Completely broken for me.

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Ming5000  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:23:53pm

Twitter is down. I just cleaned out my basement

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:24:11pm

re: #55 KGxvi

The problem Trump will have with an EO is the same one he’s had with trying to do it through the regulatory process - the intent is obviously and purely discriminatory in nature. The “out” that Roberts gave in his opinion wasn’t really for Trump, it was for the administration that will be running the 2030 census. Asking about citizenship isn’t inherently discriminatory, and there are some potentially reasons that would pass rational basis standards - like for example getting a count/estimate of people who may be subject to the selective service over the next decade, should there need to be a draft.

Beyond that, there’s no way this gets back to the Supreme Court in time for a ruling before census documents start going out.

And the citizenship question can be used for the government to track down non-citizens and deport them or put them in camps. Do you really think that a modern GOP government wouldn’t take that opportunity to purge the nation of those who are not white enough for them?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:24:13pm

re: #59 KGxvi

Allegedly, they already started printing without the question. At least that was the representations made to the court and by Ross before Trump lost his shit in order to distract us from something else.

They also said they were still printing them AFTER they reneged on the whole ‘giving up’ thing.

That telephone conference transcript was a hoot. I can see why the DOJ team tried to quit - Trump was making them liars, in ways that could ruin them, as I understand it.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:24:21pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Might not be a bad thing for a while, or maybe forever. That would flip them out bigly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:25:45pm

It is interesting that Twitter went down around the time of the Nazi gathering at the WH.

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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:27:29pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

It is interesting that Twitter went down around the time of the Nazi gathering at the WH.

(1000 yard stare)

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:28:38pm

So, I’d best do something constructive.
Laterz.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:29:05pm

Proof has been presented:

I’m addicted to Twitter.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:29:09pm

re: #59 KGxvi

Allegedly, they already started printing without the question. At least that was the representations made to the court and by Ross before Trump lost his shit in order to distract us from something else.

And if they lied and started printing with the question is there going to be a meaningful punishment?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:30:47pm

re: #55 KGxvi

The problem Trump will have with an EO is the same one he’s had with trying to do it through the regulatory process - the intent is obviously and purely discriminatory in nature. The “out” that Roberts gave in his opinion wasn’t really for Trump, it was for the administration that will be running the 2030 census. Asking about citizenship isn’t inherently discriminatory, and there are some potentially reasons that would pass rational basis standards - like for example getting a count/estimate of people who may be subject to the selective service over the next decade, should there need to be a draft.

Beyond that, there’s no way this gets back to the Supreme Court in time for a ruling before census documents start going out.

Someone probably finally got him to understand that he needs to try and moot the current case with a stipulated agreement before all of his administration’s overt deception and perjury is cemented into an official court record. Because that would haunt the DOJ and Solicitor General in every other case they argue on his behalf.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:31:21pm

...

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:34:43pm

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

And if they lied and started printing with the question is there going to be a meaningful punishment?

My guess is the Court is going to hold onto the case a la Flores, monitoring the government’s conduct until the census is completed. There’s just been too much bad faith and disrespect.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:35:00pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

The thing is that had Trumpworld been competent and not run by a bunch of total fuckups, they could have gotten the question on the census had they followed the APA. That was the problem. Had they followed the APA, they could have presented the question in a timely fashion and entered it. Instead, they did the runaround and Trumpworld did their usual mess of things.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:39:16pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Already happened. My bad.


Ivanka Trump joined in nuclear negotiations with Kim Jong Un after criticism over her role at G20, reports say

sfgate.com

As Dr. Smith said… We’re doomed!

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DangerMan  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:40:41pm

re: #58 calochortus

The question is whether he will try to order the census to be printed with the question, and whether anyone is willing to take that bullet (legally speaking) for him and insist that it be printed that way. I’m guessing the answer will be “no” at some level.

Maybe they’ll sneak print it on a few batches of forms and call it a win

Like the one mile of built wall means “we’re building it /we built it”

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:40:46pm

You are built like a car
you got a hub cap diamond star halo
you’re dirty sweet and you’re my girl

T. Rex - Get It On (1971) HD 0815007

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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:43:45pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

Proof has been presented:

I’m addicted to Twitter.

RUDE!

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:44:08pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

“Digital Warriors”. JFC, NY Tmes, this is bad, even for you.

White House Hosts ‘Social Media Summit’ for Pro-Trump Digital Warriors

nytimes.com

War of Nerves
“a war, contest etc in which each side tries to win by making the other nervous, eg by bluff, rather than by actually fighting.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:45:39pm

re: #50 BigPapa

Twitter put me on time out a few days ago for calling Charlie Kirk a whore.

So it’s payback time.

You can’t say nasty things about right wingers on Twitter but those same right wingers have a blank check to trash anyone thanks to @jack

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:46:17pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

My guess is the Court is going to hold onto the case a la Flores, monitoring the government’s conduct until the census is completed. There’s just been too much bad faith and disrespect.

Which fits the administration’s MO of bad faith and delaying tactics until it’s too late.

If it goes through with the question do you expect a court order to be made throwing out the 2020 census results? And what does the court do once it is clear they were lied to? Ask Barr to do something? Or, at that point, the administration claims incompetence and axes/blames some minor official in the chain. Who, if lucky, gets pardoned as a favor from Trump.

By that time the damage is done and all the shenanigans are back page news.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:46:21pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

They can’t win without a tilted playing field.

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DangerMan  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:48:37pm

summer of caving: Mexico tariffs, Iran war, census. Weirdly all this losing seems to be holding up his approval, not lowering it.

(I stole this)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:49:11pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:50:43pm

Maybe the heat caused a server farm hiccup.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:51:03pm
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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:51:04pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

You can’t say nasty things about right wingers on Twitter but those same right wingers have a blank check to trash anyone thanks to @jack

What was weird is that said

Talking Point Charlie is the biggest bimbo ever. He’s never had a real job but whored himself out to a rich wingnut.

It wasn’t more than a minute before I was in time out. Really really fast. For something not really that nasty. I called him a bimbo and said he ‘whored himself out.’

I report outright nazis saying shit about ovens and it takes a few hours to come down.

So I’m not sure if this is algorithms, bots, or Charlie himself with some higher level of service that can drop the hammer instantly. But it is interesting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:51:28pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:51:58pm

CL’d in last thread, and apologies to all that I was late to the story about Iraq/Afghan war vets now yelling “Bullshit” … when not shooting themselves in the head.

re: #304 Ming5000

100,000 suicides? I had to look it up.

Wow,
More than 6,000 veterans have killed themselves each year since 2008, according to the VA data.

I knew it was high…… stark numbers

Yeah, my dad is an American Legion Post commander.

The guys come back, and just can’t reconcile;
What they were told by Fox and right-wing hawks
-with-
Objective lived, experienced reality

Fox and the right-wing worldview is only viable if you choose to live in a fantasyland bubble.

The ones who can’t live in fantasy, find themselves feeling lost. Worse yet, abused by friends and family who demand that they go along with the Fox/Hate Radio line that everything in the Iraq/Afghanistan was a GLORIOUS VICTORY FOR THE FATHERLAND.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:52:04pm

It’s BAAAACK!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:53:26pm
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:56:38pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Read quickly, and saw that as Twitter outrage map.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:57:20pm

re: #90 BigPapa

What was weird is that said

It wasn’t more than a minute before I was in time out. Really really fast. For something not really that nasty. I called him a bimbo and said he ‘whored himself out.’

I report outright nazis saying shit about ovens and it takes a few hours to come down.

So I’m not sure if this is algorithms, bots, or Charlie himself with some higher level of service that can drop the hammer instantly. But it is interesting.

Botswarms hit me first going after Coulter and second abandon Tomi Lauren. Twitter locked me out for 7 days and blocked me from reporting

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 12:57:25pm

re: #95 lawhawk

There were even outraged commenters on the outage map thread.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:00:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:00:20pm

re: #86 DangerMan

summer of caving: Mexico tariffs, Iran war, census. Weirdly all this losing seems to be holding up his approval, not lowering it.

(I stole this)

Victories are less important than being seen to be fighting.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:00:30pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:01:14pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

The Struggle Chicken of American presidencies.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:03:06pm

Indognito.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:03:51pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I’m all but convinced there are no firmly liberal news sources left.

At least not in this country.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:04:26pm

re: #103 plansbandc

Those ears are familiar.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:04:48pm
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mmmirele  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:05:04pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

move over Florida Man

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Arizona man, and only Arizona man, since saguaros are only native to Arizona in the US (also Mexico, which is not part of the US).

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:07:08pm
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garzooma  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:07:10pm

re: #86 DangerMan

summer of caving: Mexico tariffs, Iran war, census. Weirdly all this losing seems to be holding up his approval, not lowering it.

(I stole this)

You forgot the Venezuela fiasco.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:07:54pm

re: #109 garzooma

You forgot the Venezuela fiasco.

most of his followers have, too.

they did not know where it was on a map and still don’t

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:08:11pm

re: #108 jaunte

But how many followers does Trump have when you remove the Russian bots?

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:08:33pm

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

most of his followers have, too.

they did not know where it was on a map and still don’t

Trump couldn’t find it on a map. I’m guessing few of his advisers and his spawn could find it.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:09:02pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

More than 60% of Donald Trump’s Twitter followers look suspiciously fake
By Ana CampoyOctober 12, 2018
qz.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:11:05pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

So now ABC has a long story about how Trump is going to back off adding the citizenship question today.

abcnews.go.com

But if Hannity gives him a tongue lashing tonight, it could be back on!

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:11:22pm

“…In July 2018, Twitter announced that as part of its efforts to “build trust and encourage a healthy conversation,” it would start the process of removing tens of millions of suspicious and fake accounts from its follower counts. Specifically, the company said it would remove locked accounts — suspicious accounts it puts a temporary lock on until owners validate them and change their passwords.”
……
“…The impact of the decision became apparent fast: The day Twitter announced it, Trump’s follower count dropped by 100,000, and former President Barack Obama’s fell by 400,000. Obama has more followers than Trump — currently, Obama has 106 million, and Trump has 60 million — which explains why Obama’s following fell more than Trump’s.”
vox.com

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Kilroy was here  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:11:55pm

Trump abandons effort to add citizenship question to census
The president has vowed to fight for the question after multiple legal setbacks.
politico.com
So much winning..

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:13:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:13:21pm

re: #109 garzooma

You forgot the Venezuela fiasco.

Everything comes at us so fast these days. In part, that’s by design - Trump’s need to be part of EVERY SINGLE NEWS CYCLE. So we end up forgetting about things that happened just last week.

Mind you, it cuts both ways. By Monday, I’d almost completely forgotten about Trump’s “Red Square On The Potomac” event, just 4 days previous.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:15:48pm

re: #116 Kilroy was here

“Will announce”, so we’re still waiting. I wonder if this is just anothe setup by the WH to make the media look stupid?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:15:50pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:16:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:16:57pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

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KellyAnne told him about the toilet question on the Census

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:17:41pm

So, in the same news cycle as that fucknut GOPer who refused to do an interview with a female reporter because she was a woman and the guy couldn’t be seen with a woman who wasn’t his wife, we get this:

Saudis relax their restrictions on women traveling without permission (male guardian).

The move would end guardianship laws pertaining to travel for men and women over 18 years old, allowing them to leave the country without the consent of a designated male family member, according to the Wall Street Journal.

It was not clear exactly when it would come into force, but it was reported it could happen as early as this year. There was no immediate comment from the Saudi government.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:18:44pm

re: #76 lawhawk

The thing is that had Trumpworld been competent and not run by a bunch of total fuckups, they could have gotten the question on the census had they followed the APA. That was the problem. Had they followed the APA, they could have presented the question in a timely fashion and entered it. Instead, they did the runaround and Trumpworld did their usual mess of things.

Thank dog they are stupid criminal fascists!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:19:56pm

Excellent deployment of the ‘Battling Bikers’ meme.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:20:32pm
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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:21:00pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Wonder how many will grab at the chance to seek asylum damn near anywhere else?

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mmmirele  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:23:22pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Actually, specialized surveys go out to households, separate from the census. A friend of mine got one of these surveys about his house (how msny rooms, bathrooms, fixtures, etc.) and went to a lawyer to see if he could get out of it because he thought it was invasive. Answer: no.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:24:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:27:02pm
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:28:14pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

And once again, Trump’s doing that weird lean-in thing. His posture is awful.

But yeah, it’s a black hole of derp. It’s a derpularity.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:28:53pm

re: #129 mmmirele

Actually, specialized surveys go out to households, separate from the census. A friend of mine got one of these surveys about his house (how msny rooms, bathrooms, fixtures, etc.) and went to a lawyer to see if he could get out of it because he thought it was invasive. Answer: no.

Right, but that isn’t really what he said — he said they physically go through your house and ask you these questions in person.

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Ming5000  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:29:47pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

And there is Gaetz too.
Was there a pool to guess who would be there?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:30:41pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:31:17pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

I guess I’m in a 1970s mood

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Video

I had Aladdin Sane and Never a Dull Moment as a teenager.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:31:22pm

re: #132 lawhawk

But yeah, it’s a black hole of derp. It’s a derpularity.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:33:00pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Census takers are supposed to go to those households that did not return the census as required. They can then ask the questions on the census, not the AHS.

AHS (American Housing Survey) is not the census. They are separate and distinct.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:33:58pm
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:35:06pm

For reference purposes, census taker would ask the questions as found on the census form (see the 2010 form):

The ACS and AHS are done separate and address different data sets.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:36:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:38:41pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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“All the best words.”

Jesus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:40:04pm

Tiny hands make poor flyswatters.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:40:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:41:35pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump says he’s calling for “a big meeting of the companies” in “a week or two,” and “they have to be here.”

and if not, he can just issue a subpoena, right?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:42:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:43:06pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

First off, this complaint about followers is the neediest, most pathetic, weak-ass begging for validation I’ve ever heard.

Secondly - “People come up to me and they say, ‘Sir, I can’t get you. I can’t follow you.’”

Hey, maybe they’re telling him he’s incoherent. That seems more likely.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:45:12pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Lol! Really. Folk walk up to him and say that? And that’s something that’s important because? He’s running a powerful country and this is what he’s worried about? Really?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:46:53pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

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Tiny hands make poor flyswatters.

How did a huge racist orange maggot get into the White House? I don’t like maggots. I really don’t like maggots.

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:46:56pm

re: #139 jaunte

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Anyone who watched “Good Omens” knows who the lord of the flies is

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ericblair  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:47:08pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

Secondly - “People come up to me and they say, ‘Sir, I can’t get you. I can’t follow you.’”

Were they big guys, tough guys, and were they crying when they said sir, sir? Cause that never gets old.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:47:09pm

In which a man born in 1960 thinks he’s NOT a Boomer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:47:43pm

re: #151 ericblair

Were they big guys, tough guys, and were they crying when they said sir, sir? Cause that never gets old.

I snorked at that one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:53:28pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Question: What the hell is a “small c” Conservative?

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:55:13pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: What the hell is a “small c” Conservative?

Someone who pretends he doesn’t like what the Conservatives are doing so he won’t be held accountable with them but happily votes in favor of the greed hate racism and exploitation every time.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:55:19pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Small c for slightly less of a ****?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 1:59:52pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:00:06pm

re: #50 BigPapa

Twitter put me on time out a few days ago for calling Charlie Kirk a whore.

So it’s payback time.

VB is still suspended…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:05:25pm

re: #155 William Lewis

Someone who pretends he doesn’t like what the Conservatives are doing so he won’t be held accountable with them but happily votes in favor of the greed hate racism and exploitation every time.

Ah pretty much.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:06:32pm

Go f*ck yourself, Paul Ryan.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:10:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:10:20pm

re: #160 DodgerFan1988

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Go f*ck yourself, Paul Ryan.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:14:52pm
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:15:25pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

In which a man born in 1960 thinks he’s NOT a Boomer.

So basically he hates everyone but his direct peers (and likely doesn’t like them too much, either).

Okay, this is a good point. I don’t despise an entire generation of Boomers, since I am related to them and love them and grew up around them. But as a small-c conservative, I find their *politics* innately annoying, much like their grandchildren.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:15:51pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

In which a man born in 1960 thinks he’s NOT a Boomer.

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I think there’s some debate on when GenX starts. Most say 1965 to either 1979 or 1980, but there are some who say it ran 1961-1981. And since things like generations are social constructs, there’s a lot of variance at the edges.

If you were a first born child in 1960, and all your younger siblings and cousins were born in the next 5-8 years, you would probably identify more as GenX rather than as a Boomer. But if you were the youngest of 4 born in 1960 you’d probably identify more as a Boomer.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:17:26pm

A little early Van Morrison and Them

Them Here Comes The Night 1965 Stereo

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:27:50pm
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:31:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:38:44pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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“Sir, I can’t get you. I can’t follow you.”

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:44:25pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

“Sir, I can’t get you. I can’t follow you.”

*Wipes tear from chiseled cheek*

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:44:27pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:45:14pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:47:41pm
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b.d.  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:49:25pm

If I have ever seen an asskisser like AG Barr before I sure can’t remember it.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:51:18pm
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:54:14pm

re: #176 Scottish Dragon

I can’t watch it at work, but I’m still glad she got that one rather than Sanders.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 11, 2019 • 2:59:51pm
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b.d.  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:02:04pm

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

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that’s beautiful

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A Mom Anon  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:02:35pm

re: #166 KGxvi

That’s me. I’m the oldest of 3 kids, Mom and Dad spaced us 5 yrs apart. ‘60,’65 and ‘70. I often feel I don’t have anything in common with older Boomers. Not much at least. That could be related to location too, not sure.I’m always the oldest in groups of people we hang with. I’m 6 yrs older than The Husband.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:05:11pm

Judge Furman should refuse to moot the current discovery proceedings by citing Trump and Barr’s press conference as utterly contemptuous and their assurances untrustworthy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:05:48pm

re: #179 b.d.

that’s beautiful

It looked absolutely professional until the filling bubbled over. :(

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:06:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:14:57pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:16:34pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

That interview with the reporter he’s afraid to be alone with was really something.
“Mah truck, mah rules.”

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:16:37pm

re: #148 Patricia Kayden

Lol! Really. Folk walk up to him and say that? And that’s something that’s important because? He’s running a powerful country and this is what he’s worried about? Really?

And how many “little people” get close enough to him to have that conversation?

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:17:37pm

When a candidate mentions “mah truck, mah rules” three times in a three minute interview, you’ve got a winner.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:17:53pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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Lots of ducks, that’s a Mississippi 401k right there.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:18:03pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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What? No Duck Dynasty Beard????????

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Old Liberal  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:18:51pm

re: #140 lawhawk

For reference purposes, census taker would ask the questions as found on the census form (see the 2010 form):

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The ACS and AHS are done separate and address different data sets.

I don’t think you are required to answer more than names and dates of birth on the short form. They might follow up but if you refuse they might ask the neighbor for info. That’s how it worked in 2000.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:22:48pm

Photo from Trump’s census talk.

Caveman Trump
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:23:01pm

re: #183 jaunte

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Gorka obviously wasn’t Hungary’s best.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:23:28pm

re: #191 b.d.

Photo from Trump’s census talk.

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KKKaveman Trump…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:23:50pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Gorka obviously wasn’t Hungary’s best.

They’ve got plenty of Nazis left, though, from what I’ve heard.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:25:35pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

They’ve got plenty of Nazis left, though, from what I’ve heard.

Yeah it’s really bad there. Beautiful place but holy hell horrible politics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:27:26pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s really bad there. Beautiful place but holy hell horrible politics.

Christ, EVERYWHERE is getting that way. Like we almost managed to crawl up on shore but now we’re being dragged back into the swamp.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:28:55pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, EVERYWHERE is getting that way. Like we almost managed to crawl up on shore but now we’re being dragged back into the swamp.

I believe they were one of the first in continental Europe to embrace the new nationalism. When Trump was lavishing praise over Orban, it was mentioned that the Bush administration shunned him.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:30:28pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, EVERYWHERE is getting that way. Like we almost managed to crawl up on shore but now we’re being dragged back into the swamp.

Might be little more than the thinning of the “Never Again” and “We Shall Overcome” generations. We patently failed to reproduce our values in adequate numbers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:31:32pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Might be little more than the thinning of the “Never Again” and “We Shall Overcome” generations. We patently failed to reproduce our values in adequate numbers.

I blame the internet and corporate owned media outlets.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:33:11pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

I blame the internet and corporate owned media outlets.

I think we somehow lost the elementary schools, or the schools lost their civilizing role. Also: Where is our new art?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:33:54pm

re: #177 Belafon

I can’t watch it at work, but I’m still glad she got that one rather than Sanders.

She’s still not on my top- (or even mid-)tier list of candidates, but that was a very, VERY good answer to a difficult question.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:34:23pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Might be little more than the thinning of the “Never Again” and “We Shall Overcome” generations. We patently failed to reproduce our values in adequate numbers.

The big thing that kept us from going that route in the 40s was Germany declared war on us. We had Nazi rallies here. We denied Jews entry. We were still under Jim Crow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:34:26pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Might be little more than the thinning of the “Never Again” and “We Shall Overcome” generations. We patently failed to reproduce our values in adequate numbers.

I am STILL astonished that ANYONE looks at Trump and doesn’t see a sleazy, two-bit carnival barker. He’s so transparently dishonest, so obviously a bullshitting con man that when I see people talking about him as Presidential I wonder if they were dropped on their heads as babies. I can’t fathom NOT seeing through him the minute his pie hole opens.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:34:42pm

re: #180 A Mom Anon

That’s me. I’m the oldest of 3 kids, Mom and Dad spaced us 5 yrs apart. ‘60,’65 and ‘70. I often feel I don’t have anything in common with older Boomers. Not much at least. That could be related to location too, not sure.I’m always the oldest in groups of people we hang with. I’m 6 yrs older than The Husband.

I’m the middle of 3. ‘59, ‘61 and ‘63. I always felt more like a Gen X myself.

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Old Liberal  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:35:44pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Might be little more than the thinning of the “Never Again” and “We Shall Overcome” generations. We patently failed to reproduce our values in adequate numbers.

In my view there were always a majority of racist conservative baby boomers in this country. The number of woke people who saw the system for the bullshit it is were a minority. If people think Vietnam vets got spit on they should have tried being a civil rights antiwar protester

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:36:19pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

I am STILL astonished that ANYONE looks at Trump and doesn’t see a sleazy, two-bit carnival barker. He’s so transparently dishonest, so obviously a bullshitting con man that when I see people talking about him as Presidential I wonder if they were dropped on their heads as babies. I can’t fathom NOT seeing through him the minute his pie hole opens.

Eager gullibility. It’s always been a mainstay of our preachers and entertainers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:36:43pm

re: #204 Eventual Carrion

I’m the middle of 3. ‘59, ‘61 and ‘63. I always felt more like a Gen X myself.

To my way of thinking, if you’re old enough to remember the Moon Landing, but not born before the end of WWII, you’re a Boomer.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:38:23pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

To my way of thinking, if you’re old enough to remember the Moon Landing, but not born before the end of WWII, you’re a Boomer.

That sounds reasonable to me. I definitely consider my older cousins to be boomers but my younger ones are Gen Xers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:38:29pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Eager gullibility. It’s always been a mainstay of our preachers and entertainers.

It’s like The Emperor’s New Clothes, except that the people actually see clothes that aren’t there, rather than just pretending.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:38:47pm

re: #176 Scottish Dragon

Now I have read them and those are pretty good explanations.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:39:29pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like The Emperor’s New Clothes, except that the people actually see clothes that aren’t there, rather than just pretending.

Their minds must protect them from seeing that dick.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:39:40pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

To my way of thinking, if you’re old enough to remember the Moon Landing, but not born before the end of WWII, you’re a Boomer.

That sort of puts me right on the bubble as I was born in ‘64 and have vague (and possibly false) memories of the landing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:40:23pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Their minds must protect them from seeing that dick.

I thought it was his Dicky-Do. You know - when your gut sticks out more than your dicky do?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:43:20pm

re: #202 Belafon

The big thing that kept us from going that route in the 40s was Germany declared war on us. We had Nazi rallies here. We denied Jews entry. We were still under Jim Crow.

Just a reminder: Hitler got much of his inspiration from the United States We were his model for racism. We outlawed “miscegenation” throughout Southern states. Our evil informed his evil.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:44:36pm

re: #212 Feline Fearless Leader

That sort of puts me right on the bubble as I was born in ‘64 and have vague (and possibly false) memories of the landing.

64 is right on the edge. I’d say if you’re born after JFK, you’re not a boomer but if you’re Truman, Ike, & JFK- boomer.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:45:23pm

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Just a reminder: Hitler got much of his inspiration from the United States We were his model for racism. We outlawed “miscegenation” throughout Southern states. Our evil informed his evil.

The funny thing though is the South was the most pro intervention in the lead up to WWII. But you are of course right.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:47:57pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

The funny thing though is the South was the most pro intervention in the lead up to WWII. But you are of course right.

Since, and partly because of, the Civil War the South is the most militarized part of the country. The large bases are here, and the makeup of recruits is disproportionate.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:48:48pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

I blame the internet and corporate owned media outlets.

I blame overly privileged, middle class white flight suburban Reaganaut Gen-X kids with a sense of entitlement.

I also blame the decline of sportsmanship and a decades long derision of the concepts of empathy and compassion being the province of quiche-eating liberal will losers like Alan Alda or Phil Donahue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:49:20pm

re: #212 Feline Fearless Leader

That sort of puts me right on the bubble as I was born in ‘64 and have vague (and possibly false) memories of the landing.

My 5 siblings and I span 12 years, from 1945 to 1957. We were a baby boom unto ourselves! The oldest is more of an honorary Boomer, having been conceived before VE day and born a week or so after VJ day.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:52:01pm

I think we need to teach history better. I always try to humanize it when I talk about it whether that’s my family’s immigration story or what Jim Crow meant to minorities.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:52:24pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

The funny thing though is the South was the most pro intervention in the lead up to WWII. But you are of course right.

Is this true though?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:53:10pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Since, and partly because of, the Civil War the South is the most militarized part of the country. The large bases are here, and the makeup of recruits is disproportionate.

I believe the bases were more so after WWII but I’ve read it actually comes from the South’s historical ties to the UK versus the more Germanic Midwest.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:53:49pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

… The oldest is more of an honorary Boomer, having been conceived before VE day and born a week or so after VJ day.

Sorry—didn’t make the cut. I don’t make the rules.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:55:21pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I believe the bases were more so after WWII but I’ve read it actually comes from the South’s historical ties to the UK versus the more Germanic Midwest.

It’s mostly just the weather, cheap acreage, and the poverty.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:56:06pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Since, and partly because of, the Civil War the South is the most militarized part of the country. The large bases are here, and the makeup of recruits is disproportionate.

The Southern military tradition dates back to before the Civil War, according to my understanding. Preparing for slave revolts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:56:49pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Sorry—didn’t make the cut. I don’t make the rules.

Hence, honorary.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2019 • 3:58:51pm

re: #218 A Three Hour Tour

I blame overly privileged, middle class white flight suburban Reaganaut Gen-X kids with a sense of entitlement.

I also blame the decline of sportsmanship and a decades long derision of the concepts of empathy and compassion being the province of quiche-eating liberal will losers like Alan Alda or Phil Donahue.

Donahue. There’s a name I haven’t seen in awhile. I just had go look up whether or not he was still alive (he is, aged 83).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:00:40pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Gorka obviously wasn’t Hungary’s best.

my grandpa was Hungary’s best.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:00:43pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

The Southern military tradition dates back to before the Civil War, according to my understanding. Preparing for slave revolts.

They all wanted to be Cavaliers, but it’s mostly the cheap wasted land and poverty. There are bases that are larger than some NE states.

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ckkatz  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:01:47pm

re: #183 jaunte

My first thought after seeing that is the Gorka is a washed-up has-been, whose 15 minutes of media attention expired a long time ago.

And that he needed to do something to get more media attention. So he staged this.

He’s still irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:01:54pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

Is this true though?

I’m not totally sure tbh.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:02:16pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

It’s mostly just the weather, cheap acreage, and the poverty.

That was what to do with internationalist FP?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:03:39pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

That was what to do with internationalist FP?

War is (the local) business, and business is good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:05:55pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

War is business, and business is good.

True

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:06:33pm

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ckkatz  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:06:50pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

The Southern military tradition dates back to before the Civil War, according to my understanding. Preparing for slave revolts.

That was my understand as well. Particularly after the Nat Turner ‘Rebellion’.

After the Civil War a lot of Federal Troops were stationed there during Reconstruction. After Reconstruction, rural poverty, cheap land, better training weather, and a very powerful Congressional delegation all played a role.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:07:39pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

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So when is that ass going to get milkshaked?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:09:29pm

re: #236 ckkatz

That was my understand as well. Particularly after the Nat Turner ‘Rebellion’.

After the Civil War a lot of Federal Troops were stationed there during Reconstruction. After Reconstruction, rural poverty, cheap land, better training weather, and a very powerful Congressional delegation all played a role.

My base, and I, are here because we have 300+ flying days a year. Mother Rucker takes up a good part of a couple counties.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:10:07pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Their minds must protect them from seeing that dick.

Nothing to see there

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:19:11pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

I think we somehow lost the elementary schools, or the schools lost their civilizing role. Also: Where is our new art?

It wasn’t “somehow”; it’s that once the schools were desegregated, a vast percentage of voters lost interest in funding them.

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TedStriker  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:19:44pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

My base, and I, are here because we have 300+ flying days a year. Mother Rucker takes up a good part of a couple counties.

I can attest to that, having passed through Rucker last year to see the Army Aviation Museum (a hearty recommend for aviation buffs, BTW) on the way to PCB…the base is huge, not counting the acreage of all of the outlying auxiliary strips/facilities.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:21:34pm

re: #240 sagehen

It wasn’t “somehow”; it’s that once the schools were desegregated, a vast percentage of voters lost interest in funding them.

Simultaneously the RC church lost the nuns and the parish schools, virtually a shadow system in the northern cities.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:25:52pm

re: #241 TedStriker

I can attest to that, having passed through Rucker last year to see the Army Aviation Museum on the way to PCB…the base is huge, not counting the acreage of all of the outlying auxiliary strips/facilities.

And Rucker is fair-to-middling compared to White Sands/Bliss, Hood, Bragg, Campbell, Benning. Then there’s the USAF and Norfolk.

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TedStriker  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:29:43pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

And Rucker is fair-to-middling compared to White Sands/Bliss, Hood, Bragg, Campbell, Benning. Then there’s the USAF and Norfolk.

Know about that one too, somewhat; I went to college for five years (2001-2005) at and graduated from Austin Peay in Clarksville. I didn’t often have occasion to go up towards/around the base (I think the closest I ever got on a semi-regular basis was the [now-closed] Hastings and the Dodge’s Chicken on Ft. Campbell Blvd), but, yeah, it’s huge too.

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:34:43pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

I think we somehow lost the elementary schools, or the schools lost their civilizing role. Also: Where is our new art?

New art is always hard to find. You weren’t going to go into joe’s gallery in NYC back in the 20’s and find Picasso. You might have heard of him if you looked in the right place. Photography was barely considered a trade. Good Music was either locked up in the concert hall or found in the gin joints hidden in the corners. Pop shit was on the radio then and now. Literature and poetry has always been the home of Sturgeon’s law - 90% of everything is crap.

Might change if we put in basic minimum income at a decent level and encouraged the creation of art but we’ll see the Fundies become real Christians before that happens.

Come back in 100 years and you’ll find the art that’s new now.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2019 • 4:36:32pm

re: #245 William Lewis

We’ve got about all we’re going to get out of Grapes of Wrath, Guernica, and To Kill a Mockingbird.


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