Gorgeous, Sad, and Very Relevant: Gaby Moreno and the Chris Thile Band: Ry Cooder and John Hiatt’s Classic, “Across the Borderline”

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Gaby Moreno sings “Across the Borderline” — written by Ry Cooder, Jim Dickinson, and John Hiatt — after our January 27, 2018 show in Austin.

The band: Chris Thile, Bill Campbell, Chris Eldridge, Alan Hampton, Gabe Witcher.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:28:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:34:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:39:47pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:43:58pm

So, I probably shouldn’t jump to conclusions, but we are renting a townhouse (year 6) and loved our neighbors when we first moved in. To our left was an older guy who is a Buddhist. He hired my son to care for his cat when he was gone, but ultimately moved to be with his ailing sister about 30 miles away. Then the single man to our right married and moved to MA. The people who moved into our left are like mole people. The cover their blinds and scurry in and out. But at least they are quiet. The 30-something woman who moved in to the right has a boyfriend who shows up at 1AM in his thunder truck (noisy Ford or Chevy, I can’t remember) or his Harley, and then the party starts. But worse, she had her dad put up an ostentatious US flag from her porch.

Why is this a problem? It shouldn’t be. I should love to see the flag! But in this day and age, the fact that my wife is a non-citizen permanent resident makes me see such displays as a threat under an administration that is launching raids all over the country.

I really hope that she is just a patriot who wants to show the flag. But it’s bizarre to see a week after July 4. I never thought I’d live to see the flag as suspect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:43:59pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:44:49pm

Mike Pence channeling his inner Radovan Karadzic.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:49:04pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 12, 2019 • 6:56:30pm
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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:00:01pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate

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New Republic has always been a racist homophobic rag second only to National Racists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:03:23pm

re: #257 TedStriker

If I were a totally soulless GOP bastard, I could see Trump, Pence, and the CBP thinking this is a PR winner: imprison people in these camps worse than cattle, create the right conditions for squalor and disease in them, then turn around and blame the poor bastards in the cages for “bringing in” their own conditions.

Part of where the Democrats went wrong after Ford, then again after Reagan, then again after both Bushes, is that every single generation needs to be taught the evils which conservatism actually stands for.

Democrats have failed in that education (which includes getting out to vote for every election).

Conservatives fought for the Crown in the Revolution. They led the Whiskey Rebellion in Washington’s new government. They promoted and practiced slavery. They promoted Jim Crow laws. They opposed giving anyone the right to vote except property-owning men.

The religion of Conservatism has always been a cancer on the body politic, always either holding back the nation or trying to take it backward.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:05:30pm

I guess he didn’t have Acosta as a prosecutor

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:08:01pm

I wonder if Dale Peck supports Bernie

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:08:56pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:09:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:10:56pm
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Belafon  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:14:37pm

re: #9 William Lewis

New Republic has always been a racist homophobic rag second only to National Racists.

It wasn’t, but has turned into it.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:16:44pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:21:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:22:37pm

My wife was watching a video on YouTube, an atheist going after some particular Christian apologist.

It was preceded by an advert by Ben Shapiro, saying the atheist liberal left is attacking the free speech of conservatives by flagging videos to be demonitised. His “solution” to this in the advert was mass-brigading atheists (where atheist stands in for liberal) to get them demonitised for infringing on conservative “free speech.”

YouTube last year demonitised virtually every video made by atheists calling into question Christian or Muslim theology. Entire channels were demonitised. Christian channels calling for execution of atheists stay monitised however.

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sagehen  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:25:43pm

re: #7 jaunte

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Google.translate tells me the lyrics are:

Migra Migra Prick Migra Leave Me alone
Migra Migra Prick Migra Leave Me alone
Malice is in your eyes contempt in your heart
Malice is in your eyes contempt in your heart
It’s time to recognize that we’re all a voice
Embrace the concept we come from the same voice
You need me more and more than I need you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:26:55pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate

David Furtelle of We Hunted the Mammoth calls such people “skidMarxists.”

Suffrage Succotash! Redditor discovers her boyfriend doesn’t think women should be allowed to vote (goes to WHTM)

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sagehen  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:29:52pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If I had to guess, I’d say Obama’s foreign income is

a) the Nobel Prize money; and
b) book royalties

But maybe that’s just me.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:30:04pm

re: #20 sagehen

US population growth hits 80-year low, capping off a year of demographic stagnation
Friday, December 21, 2018

“The U.S. population growth rate of 0.62 percent for 2017-2018 is the lowest registered in 80 years. While the nation’s growth rate varied through wars, economic upheavals, baby booms, and baby busts, the current rate reflects a further dip in a trend toward a lower level of growth—below 0.80 percent—registered since the Great Recession of 2007-2009.”

brookings.edu

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:30:48pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hey fine, Max. You’ll vote for the next Republican who comes along and sing his (it will be a his) praises. You’re just upset Trump isn’t using approved dogwhistles for racism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:36:01pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I wonder if Dale Peck supports Bernie

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:38:57pm

re: #22 sagehen

If I had to guess, I’d say Obama’s foreign income is

a) the Nobel Prize money; and
b) book royalties

But maybe that’s just me.

How silly, thinking all that money could possibly be from where all appearances and the Obamas say it did. ///

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:40:29pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

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Seen this before
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Old Liberal  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:40:44pm

Was just watching a YouTube of Donna Summer performing at the Nobel Ceremony in December 2009. Made me think of how disgusted the world was with the wars and disasters of Bush II. Republicans have sucked for 50 years. Too bad Americans are so goddam stupid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:41:35pm

re: #23 jaunte

US population growth hits 80-year low, capping off a year of demographic stagnation
Friday, December 21, 2018

The link goes to a page all in Chinese. I can read in several languages, but not that one.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:43:49pm

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

Weird, I must have dropped a piece off. Try this one:
brookings.edu

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:48:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:49:48pm

re: #30 jaunte

Weird, I must have dropped a piece off. Try this one:
brookings.edu

Well, that one is in Turkish.

(/s)

It’s in English. Thanks. I’ll take a read.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:50:52pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:57:09pm

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:57:29pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

Just when you think this whole thing can’t get any ickier.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:58:08pm

Ali Velshi actually thinks Paul Ryan is a policy wonk???? Ali — very sad — you should know better. I don’t expect a Republican like your guest Charlie Sykes to understand that. But don’t you? Is it just that you were so impressed that Paul had charts and speaks seriously that you believed that he is honest or understands (or cares) about the effects of the policies he promotes? The toxic 2017 tax bill is a creation of Paul and Mitch — not of Trump.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:58:47pm

Goddamn Century Link. My net has been rollercoastering up and down the last two days non-stop. I’m usually doing good if I get 5 minutes at a time.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 7:59:27pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:00:14pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:05:02pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:05:15pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:05:34pm
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ckkatz  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:13:29pm

An older song:
(I also like Tish Hinojosa’s cover)

Linda Ronstadt - Adonde Voy

A translation:
lyricstranslate.com

The dawn sees me running
Under the sky that’s beginning to color
Don’t let the sun name me
To the Immigration Force

A sorrow that I feel in my chest
It’s my soul that suffers from love
I think of you and your arms that are waiting
Your kisses and your passion

Where I go, where I go
Hope is my destination
I am alone, I am alone
Through the wilderness a fugitive I go

Days, weeks, and months
I spend very far from you
Very soon money will come to you
I want to have you next to me

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:15:32pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:19:19pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

George McClellan, that weasel. The war would have been over a lot earlier had he not sat on his hands in the eastern theater.

Theater, such an odd word for a war zone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:23:42pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:23:46pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

George McClellan, that weasel. The war would have been over a lot earlier had he not sat on his hands in the eastern theater.

Theater, such an odd word for a war zone.

McClellan would not go into battle until victory was certain. He made any excuse he needed to. He avoided the fight even though he knew it would come to him. Reminds me of the current House leadership.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:24:07pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

George McClellan, that weasel. The war would have been over a lot earlier had he not sat on his hands in the eastern theater.

Theater, such an odd word for a war zone.

I’ve said it before, but he was an excellent trainer who lacked the capability to send his men to die as cold bloodedly as needed. Meade did not have that problem nor did Grant and both could kick Lee’s tail as a result.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:25:43pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:26:14pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:27:11pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

Love the Confed. Battle Flag on the ground.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:29:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:29:56pm

re: #48 William Lewis

I’ve said it before, but he was an excellent trainer who lacked the capability to send his men to die as cold bloodedly as needed. Meade did not have that problem nor did Grant and both could kick Lee’s tail as a result.

A military officer needs to care about the lives of those under his or her command, but has to be able to order troops into battle where they might be killed.

That is a really tough decision for someone, ordering people to die. While empathy toward your troops is important, it cannot rule strategy or tactics.

McClelland may have also looked at his job from a political perspective: If the Union Army was handed a massive defeat under his command, he was done.

[conspiracy hat] Perhaps he sympathised with the Confederate cause. [/hat]

Refusing to engage the enemy wound up prolonging the war, creating more deaths.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:30:16pm

re: #30 jaunte

Weird, I must have dropped a piece off. Try this one:
brookings.edu

Designating a 0.62% population growth rate as stagnant implies that it’s really unhealthy. But let’s look at the long term effect of such a growth rate: Our current 327 million population would reach over a billion people in 200 years. So, no, we shouldn’t be trying to promote faster population growth rates. We should be trying to attain a stable world population that our planet can support without environmental devastation— and that population may be less than our current world population.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:32:19pm

re: #49 gocart mozart

It’s too bad that wasn’t really Trump, but I imagine the little girl thought he was. Good enough for me.

What is it they say? “The kids are alright.”

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Kilroy was here  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:33:02pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

A bit late.. but couldn’t help myself

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:34:37pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

I think that, short term, we should admit that:
- many people will be seeking asylum here
- we need the labor
- we need to figure out how to handle asylum seekers without resorting to
a wall or prison.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:37:11pm

The MonaLisa Twins from Austria are here to remind us that believe it or not…

Getting Better - MonaLisa Twins (The Beatles Acoustic Cover)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:37:40pm

re: #56 Kilroy was here

A bit late.. but couldn’t help myself

If you’re on Twitter, put that on the UnwantedIvanka hashtag.

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:37:56pm

I wonder what the overlap is between the folks that think we need to deport asylum seekers immediately if not sooner because there is no more room here, and those who think overpopulation is a myth, birth control is evil and women should be popping out babies on a regular basis.

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Kilroy was here  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:39:48pm

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

If you’re on Twitter, put that on the UnwantedIvanka hashtag.

I’m not on twitter.. anyone who want to put it .. feel free..

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:40:02pm

re: #60 calochortus

Both.

The problem is white Christian women aren’t popping out enough babies. (There is a vanishingly thin line between them and Nazis with their “great replacement” nonsense.)

We’re too full for brown people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:40:18pm

I’ll go to my room now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:43:13pm

Gotta love conservative voters, on that little girl protesting to the fake Donald Trump:

Respect is earned, not demanded. I’ll bet this schmuck was ever-so-respectful of President Obama.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:44:14pm

The aforementioned MonaLisa Twins with Greenwich Village’s very own John Sebastian

Once Upon A Time - MonaLisa Twins ft. John Sebastian (Original)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:44:35pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:48:21pm

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Both.

The problem is white Christian women aren’t popping out enough babies. (There is a vanishingly thin line between them and Nazis with their “great replacement” nonsense.)

We’re too full for brown people.

Speaking as a pasty white person, I’d say more melanin is practical. But that’s probably not what a lot of people think.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:48:30pm

re: #57 jaunte

I think that, short term, we should admit that:
- many people will be seeking asylum here
- we need the labor
- we need to figure out how to handle asylum seekers without resorting to
a wall or prison.

Redistribution of world population can make sense.

Tonight, General McCaffrey on Brian Williams made the point that there are 11 million undocumented immigrants living here now — and if, magically, they were all deported, our economy would be a disaster — these people are an essential part of the economy. We need to develop a coherent immigration policy, and IMHO, that’s impossible as long as Trump or the GOP remain in power.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:48:51pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:49:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:49:42pm

Unimportant local news from my house:

I installed our new (second) air conditioner today. The previous one which failed after one minute was an LG. This one is a GE.

This one I purchased in Scottsbluff (the previous one my wife purchased on-line).

It failed after one minute.

I called the store where I bought it and told them I was having trouble putting it back in the box to return it. They said “no problem, just bring the box. We’ll refund your money or let you pick out another one.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:57:31pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:57:34pm

re: #68 Hecuba’s daughter

Redistribution of world population can make sense.

Tonight, General McCaffrey on Brian Williams made the point that there are 11 million undocumented immigrants living here now — and if, magically, they were all deported, our economy would be a disaster — these people are an essential part of the economy. We need to develop a coherent immigration policy, and IMHO, that’s impossible as long as Trump or the GOP remain in power.

The other day Freepers were going on about 30 million illegals-a couple even putting the number at 40 million. Have they stopped to think there are something like 327 million people here total? Are they really suffering from the misconception that 10% or so of the people here are undocumented? Seriously?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 12, 2019 • 8:58:47pm

Later lizards!

PS, I miss Acosta already.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:00:36pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:03:05pm

Fuckface Von Clownstick’s idiot evil spawn is speaking in Denver right now. Thread.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:04:18pm

Answers in Genesis (Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter and Creation Museum) is really upset that a Cincinnati Presbyterian church pastor permitted a “Drag Queen story hour” for children in his church.

As their failed biologist Georgia notes, “the pastor is complicit in this” followed by New Testament preaching on why the drag queen (or maybe the pastor, or both) should be killed.

(video, caution for adult language and concepts, and attacks on Christian apologetics, goes to Utah Outcasts, 14:59)

Answers News is SUPER Mad About a Drag Queen at a Church

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:07:31pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate

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Which is why I refer to that rag as The New Republican.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:08:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:11:36pm

re: #79 Dread Pirate

“Satire?”

That tripe was not satire. It was a vicious attack.

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danarchy  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:15:47pm

re: #73 calochortus

The other day Freepers were going on about 30 million illegals-a couple even putting the number at 40 million. Have they stopped to think there are something like 327 million people here total? Are they really suffering from the misconception that 10% or so of the people here are undocumented? Seriously?

They could probably get away with 22 million. That is what the Yale-MIT study came up with about a year ago.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:17:23pm

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹

“Satire?”

That tripe was not satire. It was a vicious attack.

Of course, as we all understand, contemporary conservatives (with the possible exception of P.J. O’Rourke) do not possess a sense of humor; they cannot distinguish between a comic/satiric article and a juvenile vicious humorless personal attack.

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:18:00pm

re: #81 danarchy

They could probably get away with 22 million. That is what the Yale-MIT study came up with about a year ago.

Still seems like a lot. Still, more likely than 40 million.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:20:03pm

re: #9 William Lewis

New Republic has always been a racist homophobic rag second only to National Racists.

William, I’m old enough to remember back in the 50s when Henry Wallace edited The New Republic when it was the only mainstream magazine that took on Joe McCarthy right at the start. Even The Nation buckled during the Red Scare. But it moved to the right starting in the mid 70s when it was run by Shactmanites in Social Democrats USA SDUSA just happened to be the incubator of the Neoconservative movement which gained steam when Reagan gladly let them run foreign policy. Then Andy Sullivan got control of the magazine and turned it into a full blown Neoconservative organ. Andy and his pal Michael Kelly looked the other way when Steven Glass endlessly fabricated article after article. And it has continued to move to the right since Kelly managed to get killed in Iraq. It’s just another cog in the Republican Bullshit Machine.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:22:10pm

re: #81 danarchy

They could probably get away with 22 million. That is what the Yale-MIT study came up with about a year ago.

There have been methodological criticisms of the Yale study

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Dread Pirate  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:26:13pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:27:58pm

re: #81 danarchy

They could probably get away with 22 million. That is what the Yale-MIT study came up with about a year ago.

They want to count US citizens born here to undocumented immigrant parents as “illegals”, strip them of their citizenship and deport them as well. They are looking for an ethnic cleansing of the US.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:29:15pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, as we all understand, contemporary conservatives (with the possible exception of P.J. O’Rourke) do not possess a sense of humor; they cannot distinguish between a comic/satiric article and a juvenile vicious humorless personal attack.

Steven Crowder calling Carlos Maza a “lispy queer,” that’s satire, don’t you know, you sensitive snowflake?

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calochortus  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:31:22pm

Time to pack it in for the night.
Hasta mañana, all.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:34:51pm

Idiocracy alert:
eBay’s posting algorithm thinks that 12.50 is more than 14.95. I learned this trying to list a model plane kit. I wanted to put the “buy it now” price at 14.95 with the minimum acceptable offer as 12.50. Alas, when I try to post it, a listing error pop-up informs me that the minimum automatic offer acceptance price must be less than the ” buy it now” price. I un- checked “accept offers” and just went with 14.95 as the firm price.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:45:53pm

re: #73 calochortus

The other day Freepers were going on about 30 million illegals-a couple even putting the number at 40 million. Have they stopped to think there are something like 327 million people here total? Are they really suffering from the misconception that 10% or so of the people here are undocumented? Seriously?

See also how badly conservatives estimate the percentage of Muslims or atheists in the country.

For those on top of Movement Conservatism, it’s straight-up lying. For the average worshiper in that movement, they believe whatever their MC preachers tell them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:47:49pm

re: #73 calochortus

I wAs ToLd ThErE wOuLd Be No MaTh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:48:56pm

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

See also how badly conservatives estimate the percentage of Muslims or atheists in the country.

For those on top of Movement Conservatism, it’s straight-up lying. For the average worshiper in that movement, they believe whatever their MC preachers tell them.

You cannot engage in a meaningful fact based dialogue with brainwashed Xtians. They will ignore anything you say that wasn’t spoon fed to them via the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:49:57pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

I wAs ToLd ThErE wOuLd Be No MaTh.

s’OK, they can’t math at Stanford either.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:53:55pm

Another game has fallen to Artificial Intelligence.

Now an AI Poker program beats the top players.

washingtonpost.com

The triumph of Pluribus was reported Thursday in the journal Science under the headline “Superhuman AI for multiplayer poker.” Like chess, checkers, Go and other games, the most popular form of poker has now been mastered by the cold, heartless machinations of a computer program.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 9:58:20pm

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

See also how badly conservatives estimate the percentage of Muslims or atheists in the country.

True fact*: People who declare “none” as a religion is the fastest growing “religious” group in the country, if not the world.

*These two words brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:04:47pm
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mmmirele  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:11:29pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

What are you doing to those air conditioners? Do you need to hire an exorcist to go over your house with the holy water? /sarc

(more seriously) Is your house’s wiring up to standards for that kind of a/c?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:14:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:20:51pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

This feels like a mistake. The remedy has to be national policy, all this does is hand Trump a ready made excuse for losing the popular vote and possibly cost us House seats in areas where we need high Dem anti-Trump turnout to win.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:22:52pm

Libertarian apologist Stefan Molyneaux started out on YouTube writing apologetics videos for libertarianism, and atheist videos tearing down Christian apologetics.

In addition to going full-metal antisemite, he has now adopted Christianity (knowing where the grift is for Patreon).

He makes the argument (amongst many other dubious libertarian propositions) that atheism≠the state (which is correct), then goes on about how atheism is really statism.

(11:28)

Why Stefan Molyneux Turned on Atheism

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:27:00pm

The centre of Tropical Storm Barry is expected to cross the Louisiana coastline as a hurricane in about twelve hours.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:31:48pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

This feels like a mistake. The remedy has to be national policy, all this does is hand Trump a ready made excuse for losing the popular vote and possibly cost is House seats in areas where we need high Dem anti-Trump turnout to win.

California is not the first state to do this. New York already did it, and eighteen other states are considering such measures.

governing.com

Because elections are run by states, there cannot be a national policy without a change to the Constitution.

His ready-made excuse immediately falls apart on the question “why don’t you follow the law and release your tax returns?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:40:11pm

Check the mail one last time before I hit the sack and what appears from Bank Of America?

Show me anyone in the middle class who has a million dollars stashed away…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:52:42pm

re: #67 calochortus

Speaking as a pasty white person, I’d say more melanin is practical. But that’s probably not what a lot of people think.

Fear Of A Black Planet

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sagehen  Jul 12, 2019 • 10:55:12pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, as we all understand, contemporary conservatives (with the possible exception of P.J. O’Rourke) do not possess a sense of humor; they cannot distinguish between a comic/satiric article and a juvenile vicious humorless personal attack.

In 2016, P.J. O’Rourke wrote the best never-trumper endorsement of Hillary….
thedailybeast.com

I endorse Hillary Clinton for president. She is the second-worst thing that could happen to America.

I endorse her. And all her pomps. And all her empty promises.

Better the devil you know than the Lord of the Flies on his own 757. Flying to and fro in the earth, with gold-plated seatbelt buckles, talking nativist, isolationist, mercantilist, bigoted, rude, and vulgar crap.

(snip)

True, Hillary screwed up during the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. As opposed to Donald Trump, who would have sent his supporters to boo and hiss the Islamic extremist attackers and then ask the police to take the extremists away.

Yes, Hillary sent twenty-some top-secret State Department documents to her personal email server. But this shows that she can keep a secret, even if she doesn’t know where to put it and it ends up decorating her Pinterest site. Trump would have sold the top-secret documents on eBay. Also, at least the CIA and NSA and so forth tell Hillary secrets. Would you tell a secret to Donald Trump?

Speaking of which… Like a toddler in a home with a loaded handgun, sooner or later Donald will find the briefcase with the nuclear launch codes. Better set the combination lock code to “411” before he does—he’ll never think of that. Donald hates information.

And the Clinton Foundation is an ugly mess of American foreign policy influence peddling and conflict of interest. Donald Trump will fix it. He has no interest in foreign policy so where’s the conflict? Give him a few months in office and America won’t have any influence left to peddle.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:16:32pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

California is not the first state to do this. New York already did it, and eighteen other states are considering such measures.

governing.com

Because elections are run by states, there cannot be a national policy without a change to the Constitution.

His ready-made excuse immediately falls apart on the question “why don’t you follow the law and release your tax returns?”

We still potentially lose the House seats and Trump’s massive comparative fundraising advantage is magnified by not having to spend anything in these very expensive markets. Turnout likely goes down which always advantages Republicans in close races. Then if he wins we’re even more fucked as he revenges himself on us. It’s a reactionary, emotionally driven policy that feels good but hasn’t been properly studied or gamed out. It’s too clever by half shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:18:54pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

Check the mail one last time before I hit the sack and what appears from Bank Of America?

[Embedded content]

Show me anyone in the middle class who has a million dollars stashed away…

I have a lotto ticket… .

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ericblair  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:22:08pm

re: #106 sagehen

PJ O’Rourke did a sort of grudging good thing, but is well past his sell-by date. He was much funnier when the conservatives were out of power and he could kind of punch up.

Yes, Hillary sent twenty-some top-secret State Department documents to her personal email server.

Let’s beat this dead horse again. It’s important for everyone to know that classified emails don’t get sent around on the unclassified networks and just get a SECRET mark stamped on them. The secret and top secret networks are completely separate networks that have their own servers, websites, and addresses walled off from other networks (ok, I’m aware of black core and crypto separation and can talk at length about it but it’s irrelevant here). Sending an email from a classified network to an unclassified one means going through automated and/or manual guards that stop classified information getting through. None of that happened. Clinton’s server was for unclassified information.

What they were talking about is the material floating around in the public Internet that’s technically classified. If the Washington Post publishes some leaked classified information, that information is still classified even if it’s splattered over every computer from here to Beijing. Anybody with a clearance had a great deal of difficulty following the Snowden and Wikileaks stories because you could easily end up mishandling highly classified information, and security officers would routinely warn people about it. So, as the Secretary of State, emailing a story about a leak and what to do about it was the OMG CLASSIFIED INFORMATION that Fox News hyperventliated about. Before the President* just ended up telling the Russian ambassador about classified missions, that is.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:40:03pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Molyneux is completely nuts in a way that’s suggestive of say, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and believes whatever allows him to feel superior and to not engage in self-reflection. He might make noises that sound like an argument, but he’s vaguely engaging in “intellectual” exercise of logic—but with no examination of base assumptions or operational definitions—to retroactively justify whatever the fuck he wants.

Molyneux has consistently been a Nice Guy misogynist for years and has become increasingly open about his scientific racism and “Great Replacement”-panic—both idiocies channeled into a single video about Ancient Rome a few years ago (link to a debunking. Note: Shaun is awesome and you should watch his videos). Because the video involves Molyneux using history to argue his worldview, it makes his willingness to say anything, unsupported, extremely evident.

That he’s shifted to antisemitism and is finding ways to back-end religiousity doesn’t reflect any kind of transformation of thought, but rather the way that growing need for narcissistic supply (that feeling of better-than and in control) is conveniently fed by crank magnetism (all conspiracy theories sharing a sense of pride in their gnosis) and the conservative victimhood complex.

What I’m saying is the motherfucker’s fucking dumb in that special way that they’re able to fake sounding smart by putting words in the right order, thus convincing other dumb fuckers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:43:38pm

re: #110 The Ghost of Quesos Past

A low-rent Jordan Peterson.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 12, 2019 • 11:51:36pm

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

Yep.

The latter has slightly better command of his narcissism, and has mastered the one-two-three rhythm of (1) saying things in a vague way such that he can take offense when someone attempts to pin down exactly what he said, (2) strapping his payload of nonsense to a small amount of useful practical advice (largely from cognitive-behavioral therapy), (3) rendering reasonable critique taboo by invoking the idea of Creeping Intellectual Corruption by a priori invalidating authors and texts as Evil and Responsible For Genocide.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:19:05am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:52:45am

Basque is an entire fuckin’ mood.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:02:16am

yada yada yada

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:10:43am

re: #115 Dread Pirate

Demand is weakening - not just in the US, but in Europe as well.

A recession is coming.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:12:44am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Yet the markets rally as we have to put our money somewhere.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:22:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:40:23am

re: #113 The Ghost of Quesos Past

LOL.

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 1:42:59am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:37:18am

re: #110 The Ghost of Quesos Past

What the hell is a Nice Guy misogynist? I haven’t been maintaining my taxonomy of miscreants.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 13, 2019 • 2:52:02am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Nice Guys are the whiny little shits that start their whining when they get shot down. They start out appearing to be Nice Guys, thus, the name…

“What? I’ve been so nice to you this whole time! I even did X for you! I didn’t HAVE to do that!”

And then they go downhill from there.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:13:00am

re: #122 Sufficient unto the day…

Nice Guys are the whiny little shits that start their whining when they get shot down. They start out appearing to be Nice Guys, thus, the name…

“What? I’ve been so nice to you this whole time! I even did X for you! I didn’t HAVE to do that!”

And then they go downhill from there.

Ah. Never mind—Don’t think I’ve ever been shot down, certainly not since 1965.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:35:48am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

In May 2011, Peck wrote a criticism of Jewish-American literature in which he claimed “[I]f I have to read another book about the Holocaust, I’ll kill a Jew myself.” So this piece on Pete is in keeping with his I’ll-hate-anyone-for-the-attention brand.

The GOP started an attention-grabbing diver for rock bottom and they are still far from hitting it.

And this also sums up the personality traits of a lot of these MRAs and Proud Boys: malicious, contrarian and willing to do say or do anything to get a rise out of people for the attention it gets them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:38:53am

re: #48 William Lewis

I’ve said it before, but he was an excellent trainer who lacked the capability to send his men to die as cold bloodedly as needed. Meade did not have that problem nor did Grant and both could kick Lee’s tail as a result.

Meade got written out of the history books for having a reporter ridden out on a donkey with a sign denouncing him as a spy and traitor. After that, he was excluded from all press reports of actions and Grant, his superior, got all the credit.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:41:24am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP started an attention-grabbing diver for rock bottom and they are still far from hitting it.

And this also sums up the personality traits of a lot of these MRAs and Proud Boys: malicious, contrarian and willing to do say or do anything to get a rise out of people for the attention it gets them.

That always seemed the only possible explanation for the George Lincoln Rockwell phenom. How else explain an American Nazi naval officer in 1950?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:42:47am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹

“Satire?”

That tripe was not satire. It was a vicious attack.

They hide behind that when they are called out and forced to back down.

Satire, or in the case of Alex Jones, “performance art”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:46:44am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

That always seemed the only possible explanation for the George Lincoln Rockwell phenom. How else explain an American Nazi naval officer in 1950.

Especially in modern times, when too many people still assume that an Internet presence represents a real person. I am sure that a good a share of the QAnons and Flat Earthers are just in it for the yucks and to see how many people will take their nonsense seriously.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 3:48:53am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Especially in modern times, when too many people still assume that an Internet presence represents a real person. I am sure that a good a share of the QAnons and Flat Earthers are just in it for the yucks and to see how many people will take their nonsense seriously.

Basically the same kind of morons who lick ice-cream containers.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:14:42am

re: #94 Dread Pirate

s’OK, they can’t math at Stanford either.

[Embedded content]

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:19:13am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I was thinking that some might have had multiple vectors. Like meeting online and chatting, and then a friend introduces you to someone…

Or they’re not good with math.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:22:15am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

Around 1985, everyone on ARPAnet was listed in a blue “phonebook”. There were about 10,000 entries, each with a couple column-inches of contact information.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:23:11am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

there were also “computer dating services” that predated the Internet

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:25:57am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there were also “computer dating services” that predated the Internet

Trying to remember a Compuserve dating forum, but all I’ve got is Black Dragon. Wish we still had the t-shirts.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:35:21am

Compuserve did have dating sites, even an apparent “cheating” site. There seems to have been supported traces of CIS until 2017!!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 4:37:55am

And there was AOL, but hookups probably came on 3.5 floppies in the mail.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:03:39am

moron has no new material

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:19:18am

It is 70 degrees F outside.

I just went to Taco Bell.

I COULD SEE MY BREATH INSIDE THERE.

SERIOUSLY! I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WEAR LONG UNDERWEAR TO GO TO A FAST FOOD PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:23:13am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

Yep, we were. What did you do in college?

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jeffreyw  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:24:03am

Good morning!

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:28:43am

re: #138 Sufficient unto the day…

It is 70 degrees F outside.

I just went to Taco Bell.

I COULD SEE MY BREATH INSIDE THERE.

SERIOUSLY! I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WEAR LONG UNDERWEAR TO GO TO A FAST FOOD PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!

S.o.p in sofla

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:29:32am

re: #138 Sufficient unto the day…

It is 70 degrees F outside.

I just went to Taco Bell.

I COULD SEE MY BREATH INSIDE THERE.

SERIOUSLY! I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WEAR LONG UNDERWEAR TO GO TO A FAST FOOD PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!

Only in America where we set the thermostat to 72° in the winter and 68° in the summer…

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:30:41am

re: #139 Belafon

Yep, we were. What did you do in college?

We were still on punch cards

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:32:50am

re: #143 DangerMan

We were still on punch cards

I remember those from freshman chemistry lab at Indiana University in 1976.

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:34:24am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only in America where we set the thermostat to 72° in the winter and 68° in the summer…

Mrs dm’s Mon is always hot
Dad is always cold
Mom wins the thermostat wars
Dad wears extra clothes
They live in NJ. She’s got windows open at xmas

Mrs dm and I agree, thankfully
in a/c weather, we keep ours at a constant 80

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:36:29am

Meanwhile, in Turkey:

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan risks pushing Turkey’s economy into an economic collapse similar to those seen in Latin America under populist regimes, according to Ashmore Group Plc.

While more diversified than Venezuela’s oil-dependent economy, Turkey is currently on a very similar path of policy missteps that are likely to lead to ruin, the $85 billion emerging-market asset manager said.

Capital controls, nationalization and other policies designed to prevent the private sector from protecting its property as the macroeconomic environment deteriorates are the next “logical policy steps” that will follow in Turkey, Jan Dehn, the London-based head of research at Ashmore, said by email. His comments, initially in a research report Tuesday, came after Erdogan rattled markets by dismissing central bank Governor Murat Cetinkaya early Saturday.

Of course, any analysis should be questioned, but Mr. Dehn makes some good points. Namely,

Bad economic policies begin to extract a political cost.

Instead of fixing the causes of the underlying economic problem, the government decides to attack the symptoms of the problem, such as inflation, slower growth, weaker currency and slowing investment.

The real problems meanwhile are ignored and get worse. They include bad monetary policies, increasing interventionism, failure to develop local financing markets, overly low savings rates and bad foreign policies.

The government also blames other groups instead of itself, because this works politically, but it only makes investors and businesses even more worried as Erdogan will need more and more scapegoats as the economy worsens.

As the economic outlook worsens, investors and businesses begin to take action to defend their wealth and livelihoods. This results in capital flight, declining investment and other hedging strategies.

The government starts to blame the private sector for bad performance, taking action to prevent their defensive actions. Enter capital controls, nationalization, forced conversion of contracts.

Eventually the government has no financing, no growth, no future and plunges into a crisis.

bloomberg.com

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:36:59am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember those from freshman chemistry lab at Indiana University in 1976.

Three days turnaround just to find the typos
And now a 5ms delay is eternity

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:37:29am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

What the hell is a Nice Guy misogynist? I haven’t been maintaining my taxonomy of miscreants.

A “nice guy” is an MRA who thinks women will pass them over for being nice guys. When “nice guys” do things for women like fix a car or a computer, they don’t understand why the woman won’t have sex with them.

One such blog (link broken intentionally):

www (dot) the-niceguy (dot) com

It has a very good description of the “nice guy” mindset right on the front page.

See also Failblog for pillorying such blogs (there are many):
failblog.cheezburger.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:40:21am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

A “nice guy” is an MRA who thinks women will pass them over for being nice guys. When “nice guys” do things for women like fix a car or a computer, they don’t understand why the woman won’t have sex with them.

You do nice things for women because you are nice at heart.

The women you are nice to might not want to have sex with you immediately, but guess what, most of them have friends and relatives of the female gender and nothing gets you in with them quicker than a positive recommendation from a fellow female…

These guys just cannot think around corners.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:40:41am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They hide behind that when they are called out and forced to back down.

Satire, or in the case of Alex Jones, “performance art”.

I thought it was bad chili. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:43:38am

moron

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:44:26am

re: #99 Dread Pirate

The US will soon have an Acting Labor Sec, an Acting DHS Sec and no Dep Sec, an Acting Defense Sec and no Dep Sec, an Acting White House Chief of Staff, an Acting CBP Commiss., an Acting ICE Dir, an Acting USCIS Dir, an Acting UN Ambassador, an Acting FDA Commiss.,….

An Acting OMB Director, an Acting Secretary of the Army, an Acting Secretary of the Air Force, an Acting DHS Under Secretary for Management, no DHS Under Secretary for Science & Tech, no DHS Under Secretary for Strategy, and an Acting FEMA Director. (PS: it’s hurricane season!)

while it may not be spelled out anywhere as required (debatable)
and it may not be explicitly ‘illegal’
and there may not be much that can be done about it at the moment

no one, and i mean not one person, ever contemplated, planned or intended that the president could, would, and should simply ignore the entire nominating, advise and consent process

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:44:57am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

I was running a BBS on a Commodore 64 in the Eighties.

There were dating BBS’s back then. There was also USENet and FidoNet. No ARPANet required.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:46:09am

re: #152 DangerMan

while it may not be spelled out anywhere as required (debatable)
and it may not be explicitly ‘illegal’
and there may not be much that can be done about it at the moment

no one, and i mean not one person, ever contemplated, planned or intended that the president could, would, and should simply ignore the entire nominating, advise and consent process

Which is why the history books had better list McConnell along with, if not ahead of, Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:47:29am

re: #152 DangerMan

no one, and i mean not one person, ever contemplated, planned or intended that the president could, would, and should simply ignore the entire nominating, advise and consent process

It was also assumed that there would be no shortage of qualified candidates, but basically, nobody with a reputation worth considering is going to take a position in this administration.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:50:45am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was also assumed that there would be no shortage of qualified candidates, but basically, nobody with a reputation worth considering is going to take a position in this administration.

If Trump does fire Dan Coats, there better be someone with a stellar reputation willing to accept the gig otherwise the Russians will be in full control of our national security.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:53:52am

re: #156 Hecuba’s daughter

If Trump does fire Dan Coats, there better be someone with a stellar reputation willing to accept the gig otherwise the Russians will be in full control of our national security.

That has been their plan all along. Last thing the Russians want is to have to deal with someone who is competent and not just a lackey and yes-man for Trump

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:54:21am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was also assumed that there would be no shortage of qualified candidates, but basically, nobody with a reputation worth considering is going to take a position in this administration.

“So, Mr. Mnuchin, looking at your resumé here, I noticed a multi-year gap. If you don’t mind my asking, what exactly were you doing?”

“Uhhh…..I was in prison, yeah, Federal prison. Drug trafficking.”

“I’m pretty sure you were Secretary of the Treasury…..”

“No, no, not me. Musta been some other guy with a name like mine. I was in the US Penitentiary in Lompoc, California. Trafficked 500 kilos of meth. Swear to God”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 5:56:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:02:21am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bullshit Mike. Just shut up already.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:03:54am

From TMZ, a gossip rag, but still newsworthy:

R. Kelly’s behind bars thanks in large part to his own inner circle — enablers and ex-employees who handed the feds videos of Kelly having sex with underage girls, according to the attorney for multiple alleged victims.

Gerald Griggs — who represents Joycelyn Savage’s family among others — tells TMZ the federal investigation run by the Northern District of Illinois uncovered over 20 videos of Kelly engaged with minors.

Both Griggs and our federal law enforcement sources tell us the tapes show multiple victims … and prosecutors confirmed with multiple witnesses the girls were underage. Griggs says several of Kelly’s enablers — past and present — flipped and turned over the tapes to investigators. He says those videos were exactly what the feds needed to secure indictments for sex crimes, including child pornography.

Holy shit. Yeah, I’m thinking Kelly’s looking at spending the rest of his life in the slammer.

tmz.com

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:03:55am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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How do they tie their own shoes?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:04:20am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shut your face, Mike.
You just posted this pic. Look at that little girl in the background. How old is she? Why is she sitting there alone? How can she understand the meaning of being treated well? This is bullshit and if you had a heart you would know that.

If you want to subject adults to horrendous conditions as a “deterrent” I disagree with that policy but can at least see the reasoning behind it,

There is, however, no reason for doing the same to children. There is no excuse and no justification for it on any grounds.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:05:47am

re: #162 DangerMan

How do they tie their own shoes?

There’s going to be a whole lot of this BS leading up to Mueller’s hearings.

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:08:43am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“All” = the two people they culled and prepped

The rest didn’t speak English so i don’t know what they were saying…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:11:12am
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:12:04am

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

What we have here is a basic division of what is considered funny in right wing humor and non-right wing humor. Right wing America humor is the equivalent of one schoolyard bully pushing and tripping the target victim over a secretly crouching 2nd schoolyard bully.

Right wing humor is based on the denigration and often proposed elimination of entire groups of human beings based on their skin color, national origin, ethnicity, language, sexual spectrum, or religious affiliation… anything considered “the Other.”

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:13:56am

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

From TMZ, a gossip rag, but still newsworthy:

Holy shit. Yeah, I’m thinking Kelly’s looking at spending the rest of his life in the slammer.

tmz.com

someone, i think here, linked to a story yesterday regarding:

“having sex with underage girls”, “engaged with minors”, etc.

no
if they’re underage, and there’s an age difference, it is not ‘sex’
it is rape and assault. Say it.

(unless we’re talking about two kids close in age, in love, etc)

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Citizen K  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:14:51am

re: #167 Rocky-in-Connecticut

What we have here is a basic division of what is considered funny in right wing humor and non-right wing humor. Right wing America humor is the equivalent of one schoolyard bully pushing and tripping the target victim over a secretly crouching 2nd schoolyard bully.

Right wing humor is based on the denigration and often proposed elimination of entire groups of human beings based on their skin color, national origin, ethnicity, language, or religious affiliation… anything considered “the Other.”

Like…non-right wing humor isn’t always about punching upward (hell, a lot of it is about punching inward), but right wing humor almost always, necessarily, seems to be about punching downward.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:17:13am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That has been their plan all along. Last thing the Russians want is to have to deal with someone who is competent and not just a lackey and yes-man for Trump

Given that Trump can apparently waive security requirements for anyone, what would prevent him from putting as acting Director of National Intelligence someone who had failed to receive security clearance such as Jared or Ivanka?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:19:35am

re: #169 Citizen K

Like…non-right wing human isn’t always about punching upward (hell, a lot of it is about punching inward), but right wing humor almost always, necessarily, seems to be about punching downward.

Right wing humor is never self depreciating.

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Citizen K  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:22:06am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Right wing humor is never self depreciating.

The idea that there is a flaw enough in them worth exploring is always treated as an impossibility.

(And speaking of flaws, oof, that typo in my post.)

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:22:10am

I continue to get emails from Redfin every day that houses are going through price decreases. And not just in California now.

I used to see this once every few months. Recently it became every couple weeks. Now it’s almost every day.

A recession is coming.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:22:56am

re: #172 Citizen K

The idea that there is a flaw enough in them worth exploring is always treated as an impossibility.

(And speaking of flaws, oof, that typo in my post.)

Exactly

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:27:17am

re: #139 Belafon

Yep, we were. What did you do in college?

I was an extremely introverted geek. With all the social dysfunction that entails.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:30:00am

re: #175 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I was an extremely introverted geek. With all the social dysfunction that entails.

Ditto here, did not really get the hang of social interaction until grad school.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:35:10am

re: #170 Hecuba’s daughter

Given that Trump can apparently waive security requirements for anyone, what would prevent him from putting as acting Director of National Intelligence someone who had failed to receive security clearance such as Jared or Ivanka?

His own better judgement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:39:41am

A few days old; I missed this with the douchecanoe in Mississippi running for office.

Dan Forest: No nation ‘has survived the diversity and multiculturalism that America faces today’

(Charlotte News & Observer)

North Carolina’s lieutenant governor faces criticism for comments he made about American culture during a speech at a church in Salisbury.

Lt. Gov. Dan Forest faced pushback on social media Friday after liberal news outlet Think Progress posted a story about him warning Cornerstone Church in Salisbury that “diversity and multiculturalism” could be harmful to America. The church posted a video of the June 23 service on its Facebook page.

Forest, a Republican, is expected to challenge Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper in 2020.

“God doesn’t want us to divide our state,” Forest said. “He doesn’t want us to divide our nation. He wants us to bring people together and live in the world like the Acts 2 church did. And yet no other nation, my friends, has ever survived the diversity and multiculturalism that America faces today, because of a lack of assimilation, because of this division, and because of this identity politics.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:43:22am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You do nice things for women because you are nice at heart.

The women you are nice to might not want to have sex with you immediately, but guess what, most of them have friends and relatives of the female gender and nothing gets you in with them quicker than a positive recommendation from a fellow female…

These guys just cannot think around corners.

Those MRAs have the problem that, while they may be nice on the surface, they are ultimately doing the nice thing because they view relationships as transactional (like the shit-head in-chief) and therefore the nice thing deserves sex as the tit-for-tat. Their overall view of women is not as people, but living fleshlights.

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:44:21am

re: #130 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A very rough visual addition and we’re at 120%. So, unless they’re counting the same people after they’ve broken up and gotten together with someone new, Stanford has a problem with data analysis.

I find it interesting that there is meaningful data for people meeting online back in the 80’s. If I were a cynical interpreter of data, it looks like just about everyone communicating on ARPANet was hooking up.

Or they’re counting one relationship in several categories.

You push up to the bar to order a drink. The guy you land next to says “hey, didn’t I see you at Jen’s BBQ?” And the friend you brought with you asks the guy “and isn’t that Paul waving at you from his table? Did you come with him?” The guy tells your friend, “yeah, Paul’s my neighbor, we drink here every time the Lakers win ‘cause his wife’s a Celtics fan and she doesn’t want to have to listen to us celebrating.”

So you and your friend go to Paul and his friend’s table. Where one thing leads to another.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:45:58am

re: #180 sagehen

Of they’re counting one relationship in several categories.

You push up to the bar to order a drink. The guy you land next to says “hey, didn’t I see you at Jen’s BBQ?” And the friend you brought with you asks the guy “and isn’t that Paul waving at you from his table? Did you come with him?” The guy tells your friend, “yeah, Paul’s my neighbor, we drink here every time the Lakers win ‘cause his wife’s a Celtics fan and she doesn’t want to have to listen to us celebrating.”

or as the case with my ex-GF who hooked up with a guy on Tinder, but they also knew each other because they shared the same drug dealer…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:46:04am

Alaska Governor Now Murdering Head Start, Medicaid, Universities (Wonkette)

The Alaska state legislature is meeting in Wasilla for some fucking reason. Oh, and it is also fucking meeting in goddamn Juneau like it’s supposed to be. What the fuck is going on? I’ll tell you. Hold onto your bootstraps, it’s gonna be an ugly ass ride.

So far this year we have had our mystery ballot demystified, a shitty ass budget proposal, AK state Rep. Gabrielle LeDoux ejected from the House Majority Caucus, a regular legislative session, a Crime Bill, a special session, a compromise operating budget passed by both houses, a second special session called for by the governor, a veto, protests, the special session meeting in two different cities, the senate majority leader repealed and replaced, Rep. Tammie Wilson leaving the House Majority Caucus (led by a former Dem who flipped to an Indy in order to lead it), which contains both GOP and Dems, and a failed veto override. WE HAVE BEEN BUSY IN ALASKA, OKAY?

That brings us to the current day in this messiest of messes, aside from the horrifying budget proposal Governor Mike Dunleavy, our own off-brand Tim Robbins, laid on us like a dollop of poo in our root beer float. How did we get to this batshit place? Dunleavy promised our dumb asses we would get our full PFD — muh Permanent Fund Dividend! — if we voted for him. Members of both parties in the Alaska state legislature oppose the steep cuts our governor has proposed for the new budget. The budget is the source of ALL KINDS OF DRAMA, probably because it is a weaponized assassination document that Governor Dunleavy will be using to murder us all. Allegedly.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:49:04am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t mean that it was set into the high 60s.

I mean that it was probably in the low 50s, at most. Possibly even the 40s. When I said I could see my breath, that was literal.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:50:25am

re: #41 jaunte

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And I assume somehow that the option, if implemented, will only be applied to poor brown people while the rich and/or white get shown the open door to hang out in the USA itself while their request is processed.

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:52:03am

re: #173 MsJ

I continue to get emails from Redfin every day that houses are going through price decreases. And not just in California now.

I used to see this once every few months. Recently it became every couple weeks. Now it’s almost every day.

A recession is coming.

Yes this Fall is my hunch. Rate cut might push it back to January.

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Citizen K  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:53:15am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

A few days old; I missed this with the douchecanoe in Mississippi running for office.

Dan Forest: No nation ‘has survived the diversity and multiculturalism that America faces today’

(Charlotte News & Observer)

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It honestly disturbs me how many times I’ve seen and heard people argue that multiculturalism is one of the greatest threats to the country ever. For a country that is built on the individualism myth, so many have decided that retaining any sense of unique culture or ethnicity is tantamount to treason. And god help me I wish it was a fringe belief, but it really isn’t. Just look at who basically runs DC at this point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:54:02am

re: #183 Sufficient unto the day…

I don’t mean that it was set into the high 60s.

I mean that it was probably in the low 50s, at most. Possibly even the 40s. When I said I could see my breath, that was literal.

I gathered, just pointing out that odd american idiosyncracy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:58:52am

re: #186 Citizen K

It honestly disturbs me how many times I’ve seen and heard people argue that multiculturalism is one of the greatest threats to the country ever. For a country that is built on the individualism myth, so many have decided that retaining any sense of unique culture or ethnicity is tantamount to treason. And god help me I wish it was a fringe believe, but it really isn’t. Just look at who basically runs DC at this point.

They are convinced that Sharia Law is about to take over, that Christian True Believers are going to be rounded up and put into gay re-education camps and that our borders are going to be opened to drug gangs and rapists…

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:01:37am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are convinced that Sharia Law is about to take over, that Christian True Believers are going to be rounded up and put into gay re-education camps and that our borders are going to be opened to drug gangs and rapists…

Not everyone listens to Limbaugh Fox et al but they socialize heavily with those that do. The opinion leaders of that group are propagandized and they spread the disease.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:08:55am

re: #189 Old Liberal

Not everyone listens to Limbaugh Fox et al but they socialize heavily with those that do. The opinion leaders of that group are propagandized and they spread the disease.

remember the blowup over “banning” the pledge of allegiance

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William Lewis  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:18:43am

re: #173 MsJ

But will it come soon enough?

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:22:33am

re: #191 William Lewis

But will it come soon enough?

Unfortunately it will hit the least economically secure first and hardest. The Democrats have to have messaging now that turns them into motivated voters.

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retired cynic  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:38:52am

re: #106 sagehen

In 2016, P.J. O’Rourke wrote the best never-trumper endorsement of Hillary….
thedailybeast.com

Right about DT. Wrong about Hillary. Second worst… that is appalling! And it is NOT funny.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:41:06am

re: #193 retired cynic

Right about DT. Wrong about Hillary. Second worst… that is appalling! And it is NOT funny.

he stopped being funny a long time ago, even though he can be witty and incisive at times

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:54:53am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:55:17am

Here is a great thread about how Trump gives conservatives license to not give a shit, and their immunity to rational argument, because they don’t give a shit. Read it all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:59:18am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are convinced that Sharia Law is about to take over, that Christian True Believers are going to be rounded up and put into gay re-education camps and that our borders are going to be opened to drug gangs and rapists…

Conservatism has bashed foreigners all the way back to the Alien and Sedition Acts under President John Adams. The acts were intended to round up French citizens and immigrants and deport them to France. They were also intended to prevent criticism of government officials by the press.

In the meantime, going into the Election of 1800, conservatives were doing what they do best, fighting with each other to try to concentrate power. Adams was running against people in his own party as well as Thomas Jefferson. The mud slinging was as bad as anything Trump did. Oppo research dug up on behalf of Alexander Hamilton was leaked to the Democratic-Republicans, showing the Federalist infighting and accusing Adams of being a fool, a “disgusting egoist, and ungovernable temper” (remind you of anyone?)

When that pamphlet leaked (it was only intended for party insiders), that destroyed the Federalist Party, ensured Adams defeat, ending the First Party System, and ushered in the Era of Good Feelings. President James Monroe after the rout in the 1816 election made clear he thought the Federalists were autocrats who would try to set up a monarchy at the first opportunity and never allowed them to serve in his government (his reasoning being that would only prolong their decline).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:06:10am

Barry is crossing the Louisiana coastline as a hurricane.
nhc.noaa.gov

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:10:35am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

Barry is crossing the Louisiana coastline as a hurricane.
nhc.noaa.gov

Barry, isn’t that what Obama called himself?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:17:48am

It’s mourning time at the Fruit Bat cave…

New York Times: Fernando Corbató, a Father of Your Computer (and Your Password), Dies at 93

Fernando Corbató, whose work on computer time-sharing in the 1960s helped pave the way for the personal computer, as well as the computer password, died on Friday at a nursing home in Newburyport, Mass. He was 93.

Corbató was heavily involved in both CTSS and its successor, Multics.

If it wasn’t for Multics, Unix and its derivatives (Xenix, HP-UX, AIX, Linux, et. al.) would not exist.

More on Multics here.

\f

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:20:12am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:27:43am
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Charmingly Persistent  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:33:59am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:34:54am

Midday sanity break

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:38:12am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:40:46am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Barry, isn’t that what Obama called himself?

Thanks, Obama.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:40:57am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Check the basement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:46:57am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Good to know with a hurricane coming onshore, Trump is on managing the situation the golf course.

Good thing we have a FEMA director who’s competent … wait, we don’t.

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Mattand  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:49:14am

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

My wife was watching a video on YouTube, an atheist going after some particular Christian apologist.

It was preceded by an advert by Ben Shapiro, saying the atheist liberal left is attacking the free speech of conservatives by flagging videos to be demonitised. His “solution” to this in the advert was mass-brigading atheists (where atheist stands in for liberal) to get them demonitised for infringing on conservative “free speech.”

YouTube last year demonitised virtually every video made by atheists calling into question Christian or Muslim theology. Entire channels were demonitised. Christian channels calling for execution of atheists stay monitised however.

The whole “atheist = libtard” is especially idiotic, as there is a whole subset of conservative/liberatrian atheists on Youtube who are about as Trumpanzee as you can get.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:59:46am

re: #209 Mattand

The whole “atheist = libtard” is especially idiotic, as there is a whole subset of conservative/liberatrian atheists on Youtube who are about as Trumpanzee as you can get.

as long as they believe in the True Conservative Faith, they can be forgiven and accepted into the Fold

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:15:41am

re: #209 Mattand

The whole “atheist = libtard” is especially idiotic, as there is a whole subset of conservative/liberatrian atheists on Youtube who are about as Trumpanzee as you can get.

To me they seem somewhat like Log Cabin Republicans. “If we’re true to Movement Conservative, they won’t take our rights.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:21:56am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

To me they seem somewhat like Log Cabin Republicans. “If we’re true to Movement Conservative, they won’t take our rights.”

Like German Jews who fought for the Kaiser in WW1…

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:23:02am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as they believe in the True Conservative Faith, they can be forgiven and accepted into the Fold

Yes Diamond & Silk Rubio and Cruz Ben Carson and the Mexican who runs the only restaurant in town are the “good ones”. Some are good, they suppose. Proves they aren’t bigots. Bigots make no exceptions. Morans

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:25:04am

Most of the country slated for rain today. For a change, we get a break.
(map)
wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:30:41am

The eye of Hurricane Barry is now on shore.
wunderground.com
(NEXRAD, Lake Charles, Louisiana)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:34:19am

Nazi apologist weighs in:

Candace Owens Has Seen Real Racism And It’s Ayanna Pressley & Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Wonkette)

Candace Owens is the most embarrassing black woman alive. She’s also desperate for attention. She saw an opportunity to scare up some this week when Rep. Ayanna Pressley snatched the wig off Kellyanne Conway and made her eat it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:34:29am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹

Most of the country slated for rain today. For a change, we get a break.
(map)
wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

Neighboring town of St Goar got flooded yesterday. The rains seem to be very local and intense in nature, our valley got badly flooded by a downpour like that in 2016, same thing in other years in other valleys nearby.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:36:54am

re: #213 Old Liberal

Yes Diamond & Silk Rubio and Cruz Ben Carson and the Mexican who runs the only restaurant in town are the “good ones”. Some are good, they suppose. Proves they aren’t bigots. Bigots make no exceptions. Morans

They used to call the “good ones” Uncle Toms.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:37:42am

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

I have gotten to like the intellicast map. “interactive” I switched on the windstream feature at it’s most prominent. Much better in motion. wunderground.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:38:56am

(video, 0:01)

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:40:50am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

They used to call the “good ones” Uncle Toms.

I can hate and attempt to harm tens of thousands of Muslims Mexicans African Americans LGBTQ whom I don’t know, but as long as there is one I don’t hate, be they athlete, entertainer or doctor, I am not a bigot in conservative world.

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:43:29am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatism has bashed foreigners all the way back to the Alien and Sedition Acts under President John Adams. The acts were intended to round up French citizens and immigrants and deport them to France. They were also intended to prevent criticism of government officials by the press.

In the meantime, going into the Election of 1800, conservatives were doing what they do best, fighting with each other to try to concentrate power. Adams was running against people in his own party as well as Thomas Jefferson. The mud slinging was as bad as anything Trump did. Oppo research dug up on behalf of Alexander Hamilton was leaked to the Democratic-Republicans, showing the Federalist infighting and accusing Adams of being a fool, a “disgusting egoist, and ungovernable temper” (remind you of anyone?)

When that pamphlet leaked (it was only intended for party insiders), that destroyed the Federalist Party, ensured Adams defeat, ending the First Party System, and ushered in the Era of Good Feelings. President James Monroe after the rout in the 1816 election made clear he thought the Federalists were autocrats who would try to set up a monarchy at the first opportunity and never allowed them to serve in his government (his reasoning being that would only prolong their decline).

It’s always helpful to remember that this country has been a shithole country many times in the past.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:48:21am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

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It’s funny how these morons haven’t caught on that Disney is a pretty progressive company.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:55:52am

re: #222 Old Liberal

It’s always helpful to remember that this country has been a shithole country many times in the past.

Every country has its great moments and its shitty ones…

The thing I am most proud of about the USA is that it offered a new and better life for millions of people. That was the case with all of my grandparents.

One of things I am least proud of right now is how we are currently dealing with people fleeing oppression in Central America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:56:32am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny how these morons haven’t caught on that Disney is a pretty progressive company.

C’mon they threw hissy fits over the “lesbian” undertones in Frozen

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gocart mozart  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:00:19am
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A Mom Anon  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:00:34am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

I wish I had enough free time to pick at an entire movie frame by frame just looking for something to fucking whine about. Know what I’d do with that time? Not this stupid ass shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:03:13am

re: #226 gocart mozart

David Crosby is on the mark. Bob Woodward also has said pretty much the same thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:09:00am

There was a small conservative clique at work who lost their shit last month because our company publicly sponsored some Pride events and highlighted an LGBTQ employee organization in a recent newsletter. Several of them are also pissed that they can’t carry concealed while at work.

Nevermind our company is not Christian or conservative and most of senior management is quite left leaning.

You don’t fucking like it? Too bad, not your call. Either shut the fuck up about it at work or find new jobs.

Maybe MyPillow is hiring again…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:12:39am

Daybreak will soon peak through the clouds, wherever the Nautilus is parked:

Nautilus Live | Channel 1 Stream

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:15:05am

re: #227 A Mom Anon

I wish I had enough free time to pick at an entire movie frame by frame just looking for something to fucking whine about. Know what I’d do with that time? Not this stupid ass shit.

Well, One Million Moms is really an American Family Association outfit (and they were founded by a man).

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:17:53am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ditto here, did not really get the hang of social interaction until grad school.

40 years since college and I’m still trying to figure it out

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Old Liberal  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:22:16am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

There was a small conservative clique at work who lost their shit last month because our company publicly sponsored some Pride events and highlighted an LGBTQ employee organization in a recent newsletter. Several of them are also pissed that they can’t carry concealed while at work.

Nevermind our company is not Christian or conservative and most of senior management is quite left leaning.

You don’t fucking like it? Too bad, not your call. Either shut the fuck up about it at work or find new jobs.

Maybe MyPillow is hiring again…

There must be thousands of workplaces that have concealed carry. Oh, there aren’t? Because of free market insurance company rules? The free market considers people with guns are a liability? And free market business owners aren’t willing to pay for law-abiding gun owners who maim or kill coworkers? Maybe the gun owners should buy a ten million dollar liability policy cause freedom.

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:23:27am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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An “overwhelmed” system didn’t cause this

You created these conditions on purpose
You could fix instantly

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:26:05am

re: #196 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here is a great thread about how Trump gives conservatives license to not give a shit, and their immunity to rational argument, because they don’t give a shit. Read it all.

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If they really were consistent they’d find out who she “backed” the year she was assaulted

And ps ..do you really think she’d vote *for* the guy who raped her? Asshat thinking

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:27:55am

ITV News: The first church built in Cuba since 1959 opened a few months ago in the western town of Sandino. They went to check it out. It is a Roman Catholic church.

(8:47)

A look at Cuba’s first Catholic church since communist rule | ITV News

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:31:21am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m cool with Nobel prize equals emoluments

Let’s start a process of nominating and voting for who gets to stay where in Washington and elsewhere.

Trump properties against the others. We decide who goes where.

Surely Obama didn’t get to vote for himself for the Nobel

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:32:50am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Trump:. Full time golfer
Sometimes plays (acts as) President

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:39:19am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

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They’re deciding the relationship between the two women?
Like they’re not just friends and one drove the other?

Why do I bother?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:39:42am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

Well, One Million Moms is really an American Family Association outfit (and they were founded by a man).

“Honey, you will never guess what I did for you today!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:41:13am

re: #233 Old Liberal

There must be thousands of workplaces that have concealed carry. Oh, there aren’t? Because of free market insurance company rules? The free market considers people with guns are a liability? And free market business owners aren’t willing to pay for law-abiding gun owners who maim or kill coworkers? Maybe the gun owners should buy a ten million dollar liability policy cause freedom.

Second Amendment doesn’t apply. We aren’t the government. We tell you to get rid of the gun, you better fucking get rid of the gun.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:48:53am

From the previous thread:

Hey, Senator Cruz, you really want to go there? Serial killer Ted Bundy was a delegate to the 1968 Republican convention. You’re welcome.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:56:57am

Hmmm I wonder why David Pecker just did this…now it wouldn’t have anything to do with the Congressional subpoena, would it????

tmz.com

The rape happened in July of last year…But Pecker hushed it up…Rhoden becomes Mr. Olympia and it just so happens that Pecker now throws Rhoden under the bus after Congress sent Pecker a subpoena…

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:57:31am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny how these morons haven’t caught on that Disney is a pretty progressive company.

Disney as a corporation doesn’t have “social issues political views” per se; but they do have a bunch of accountants who are well aware that international distribution is a bigger revenue stream than US box office. And they have a bunch of directors and producers who understand that getting the cast they want, the animators they want, the soundtrack artists they want, requires that company policies don’t repel those performers and artists and musicians.

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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:59:25am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

Well, One Million Moms is really an American Family Association outfit (and they were founded by a man).

And there’s nowhere near a million of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:00:36am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:02:00am
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sagehen  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:03:43am

re: #239 DangerMan

They’re deciding the relationship between the two women?
Like they’re not just friends and one drove the other?

Why do I bother?

It’s the mom and the aunt, come to take the kids to grandma’s house for the weekend. Or mom and stepmom, come to take the kids to Dad’s surprise birthday party.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:05:36am

re: #248 sagehen

It’s the mom and the aunt, come to take the kids to grandma’s house for the weekend. Or mom and stepmom, come to take the kids to Dad’s surprise birthday party.

Or mom and a friend. Or mom and a sister. Or mom and a teacher.

They see Teh Geyh Menace everywhere. I can’t imagine being so scared all the time.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:08:36am

re: #248 sagehen

It’s the mom and the aunt, come to take the kids to grandma’s house for the weekend. Or mom and stepmom, come to take the kids to Dad’s surprise birthday party.

It’s two BP agents, come to take the kids back to their cages.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:13:09am

LMAO at right wing preachers denouncing Sporky sporting the rainbow emblem…

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:16:58am

The crowd that believes text messages between two FBI agents engaged in an affair contain the smoking gun to prove Trump’s “innocence” also believed for years that the DNC and/or Hillary had Seth Rich murdered to cover up his involvement in the hack of the party’s database.

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mmmirele  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:22:20am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only in America where we set the thermostat to 72° in the winter and 68° in the summer…

I set my thermostat to 82 during the day and 78 at night. This is to make up for freezing to death in the icebox that is my office. The temperatures there are determined by the needs of the servers in the data center in the next building, not the humans in my building.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:25:07am

re: #253 mmmirele

Restaurants are required to keep food at certain temperatures per health regualtions. Fridges and freezers do it most of the time but often they will blast the AC too to keep things as cool as possible. The Subway location I used to work at was a veritable ice box.

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:25:12am
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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:26:58am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:28:00am

34 years ago today, Freddie Mercury conquered the world in the space of 20 minutes.

Live Aid- Queen- Full Set HQ

Hard to believe it’s been 34 years. And Queen’s set at Live Aid still stands as one of the greatest concert performances ever.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:31:20am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

Restaurants are required to keep food at certain temperatures per health regualtions. Fridges and freezers do it most of the time but often they will blast the AC too to keep things as cool as possible. The Subway location I used to work at was a veritable ice box.

Always figured the diner was letting the fry cook set the A/C.

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mmmirele  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:38:59am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

There was a small conservative clique at work who lost their shit last month because our company publicly sponsored some Pride events and highlighted an LGBTQ employee organization in a recent newsletter. Several of them are also pissed that they can’t carry concealed while at work.

Nevermind our company is not Christian or conservative and most of senior management is quite left leaning.

You don’t fucking like it? Too bad, not your call. Either shut the fuck up about it at work or find new jobs.

Maybe MyPillow is hiring again…

When the bank I was working for in Utah was gobbled up by the evil too big to fail bank at the turn of the century, there were some people who were really, really unhappy about the fact that our new employer supported Pride. I was all *shrug*, the bank started and is headquartered in San Francisco, what did you expect?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:43:52am

re: #256 Dread Pirate

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that article is from 2013.
I have no idea why it’s popping up all over the place on twitter since this morning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:44:26am

re: #239 DangerMan

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:48:17am

re: #257 Dr Lizardo

And Queen’s set at Live Aid still stands as one of the greatest concert performances ever.

I was over in the Netherlands when the Freddie Mercury memorial concert was held and I saw Annie Lenox wearing raccoon makeup. George Michael did a one helluva “Somebody to Love” cover with Queen.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:54:44am

re: #253 mmmirele

And every DC in the country runs way colder then is needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:01:07pm

re: #232 DangerMan

40 years since college and I’m still trying to figure it out

there are always things to figure out, but it took until mid-20’s to get to where I had a social life and a circle of friends

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:02:13pm

re: #234 DangerMan

An “overwhelmed” system didn’t cause this

You created these conditions on purpose
You could fix instantly

it was design to be deterrent

I can at least understand the argument (although I totally disagree) when it comes to adults who cross the border, but there is NO EXCUSE for treating children the way you have treated them.

Regardless of where they came from or how they got here

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2019 • 12:56:33pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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So private individuals are not allowed to delete their emails now?


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