That’ll Do (Feat. Paddy Maloney and the Black Dyke Mills Band)

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I just rediscovered this, browsing through Peter Gabriel’s YouTube channel.

On one level, it’s an ode to a pig, from the “Babe: Pig in the City” soundtrack. I know, a pig, right?

But on a deeper level it’s an incredibly moving song, written by Randy Newman and sung with amazing expressiveness by Peter Gabriel.

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That’ll Do (feat. Paddy Maloney and The Black Dyke Mills Band) · Peter Gabriel

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:21:15pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:26:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:28:17pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:38:51pm


en.wikipedia.org

1965 NY blackout, shot by Bob Gomel.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:39:09pm

Ah, the memories
That was a crazy night and next day
Peak of Son of Sam fears (caught two weeks later)

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Mescalero09  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:46:28pm

We was trading funk and disco and dance tunes earlier and I could not dig this title out of my mind. It just clicked now….If I remember the guitar riff was used on another pop song and there it is….
Picture in time and two songs..

The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? (Official Music Video)

Hippychick - Soho

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 6:53:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:08:46pm

I pulled this CD out for the first time in probably 15 to 20 years. Marti Jones with jangle-pop husband Don Dixon. Lot’s of good songs on “Match Game.” Here’s one:

Foolish Lies

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retired cynic  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:10:29pm

The Unsettling Timbre Produced by a 7-Foot-Wide Gong

All I can say is, shiver mah timbers!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:11:19pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:17:06pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ah, the memories
That was a crazy night and next day
Peak of Son of Sam fears (caught two weeks later)

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Berkowitz was captured closer to four weeks after the blackout. He was apprehended on August 10th. Why do I remember the date of Son of Sam’s capture? It was my eleventh birthday and I had spent much of the previous year obsessed with the fear of random meaningless crime.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:19:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:20:19pm

re: #11 A Three Hour Tour

Berkowitz was captured closer to four weeks after the blackout. He was apprehended on August 10th. Why do I remember the date of Son of Sam’s capture? It was my eleventh birthday and I had spent much of the previous year obsessed with the fear of random meaningless crime.

I thought it was the end of July
Might have been his last shooting

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:23:13pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:24:00pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I thought it was the end of July
Might have been his last shooting

The last shooting was at the end of July, yes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:26:05pm

re: #15 A Three Hour Tour

The last shooting was at the end of July, yes.

Yeah, I lived in Astoria then. Would frequently stumble onto NYPD bait car/stake outs when taking our dog out for a late evening pee

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:26:54pm

From the previous thread.

re: #149 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Second prize is both houses of Congress, which would at least contain the damage.

But I’m not going with the 50-50. We’re way too far out to have a good idea what the odds are. Just keep plugging away with whatever you can do and hope for a good outcome (Mouse tells us Nebraska is now a swing state.)

Morning Consult has Sen. Ben Sasse’s approval rating at 46% right now (a slight increase over many months). He’s up for reëlection.

Donald Trump is still at +1%. He’s sunk 23 points since he was elected here.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:27:52pm

JFC……

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:33:42pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

JFC……

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BigPapa  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:34:37pm

Mensch is freakazoid. That bunch is just weird. Sorta like the Greenwald Left.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:36:12pm

re: #20 BigPapa

Mensch is freakazoid. That bunch is just weird. Sorta like the Greenwald Left.

Like Greenwald, Louise is in it for one person.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:36:30pm

Loiuse Mensch was a member of the UK Conservative Party.

Like all those who are so concerned about Donald Trump such as Jennifer Rubin or Max Boot, she has never repudiated her help in aiding the crapfest in the UK which became Brexit, or working for News Corporation (FOX’s parent).

These people are not our friends.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:36:59pm

My Buddy Bill out on the hunt. This was my AZ passion when I lived there.

Early Morning Arizona Gold Nugget Hunt

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:38:06pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:39:13pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:39:43pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:40:58pm

re: #23 Dave In Austin

On the long list of things I’ve always wanted to do is to go out with a detector looking for objects like gold nuggets. Imperial county has regions where such may be found, but these days only in trivial amounts. I guess the big finds are in Australia.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:42:26pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

The caption:

“Seven of my district’s voters in a relaxed moment.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:44:40pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:45:13pm
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calochortus  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:47:11pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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When “sticking it to the libs” is more important than having wedding memories/photos you’ll want to look at on your 25th anniversary-should you happen to have such a thing.

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DangerMan  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:49:22pm

Not that we didn’t know….

Daily Mail: “Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal as an act of ‘diplomatic vandalism’ to spite his predecessor Barack Obama, Britain’s Ambassador to Washington wrote in a bombshell memo to Downing Street.”

“Sir Kim Darroch’s claim - made after Boris Johnson made a doomed trip to the White House to change the President’s mind - is revealed in leaked cables and briefing notes which led to Sir Kim’s resignation last week

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:50:04pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Nah, they didn’t use fat people as extras for ‘The Walking Dead’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:52:20pm

My wife complained to the Nebraska state Quit Smoking line today.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:55:37pm

I’ve literally had Ancient Aliens: Declassified on in the background for hours.
My brain feels kind of numb
How far the History Channel has fallen

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:56:50pm

re: #27 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Sierra Still gives up some decent chunks now and then. Southwestern gold is generally small. It’s a great hobby and gold can still be found where it is. Every rain moves material and every find is a rush. Bill taught me everything I know about detecting. Minelab makes your daddy’s detector. Not a toy and priced accordingly. I have Equinox 800 which is one of the hottest on the market. I use it at the beach and the lake when my back permits.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:57:25pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve literally had Ancient Aliens: Declassified on in the background for hours.
My brain feels kind of numb
How far the History Channel has fallen

What’s with the recent references to a protest at Area 51?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:58:16pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:59:01pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2019 • 7:59:58pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Say no to the dress.

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:00:20pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Freepers are going to be disappointed. Some of them have been salivating at the thought of “those people” looting.

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:00:49pm

Audio stream of Widespread Panic playing tonight in Telluride, CO.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:06:53pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

What’s with the recent references to a protest at Area 51?

I don’t know.
Seen a couple things about “storming Area 51” today.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:10:25pm

re: #43 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t know.
Seen a couple things about “storming Area 51” today.

That should work well.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:11:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:12:38pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

Caption this

“Marine in violation of the UCMJ.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:25:36pm

Apparently my neighbours got hold of a whole bunch of fireworks. A massive fusillade is going up tonight.

My wife posited they’re really celebrating Bastille Day, so every time fireworks go up, she’s singing loudly and off-key “La Marseillaise.” Our neighbours are getting annoyed with her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:33:12pm

My wife just shouted out the kitchen window “Vive la France!”

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:35:53pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

What’s with the recent references to a protest at Area 51?

There’s a petition out calling for people to storm area 51 to prove there are aliens.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:37:16pm

re: #49 Belafon

There’s a petition out calling for people to storm area 51 to prove their are aliens.

Is this more Q bullshit, or an older strain?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:37:44pm

re: #49 Belafon

There’s a petition out calling for people to storm area 51 to prove their are aliens.

Although the Air Force has sign all around the fence saying “Deadly force is authorised beyond this point,” I don’t imagine they would actually shoot anyone for being a chowderhead.

They would just detain them to turn over to civilian authorities and charge them with trespassing on a military reservation.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:39:23pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Although the Air Force has sign all around the fence saying “Deadly force is authorised beyond this point,” I don’t imagine they would actually shoot anyone for being a chowderhead.

They would just detain them to turn over to civilian authorities and charge them with trespassing on a military reservation.

They are a pretty secretive bunch. They went to a lot of trouble to squelch worker complaints about long-standing garden-variety hazmat spills.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 8:45:21pm

Pence is getting dragged in thousands of comments, but twenty thousand people liked this tweet as well (ugh).

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:04:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:08:22pm

I remember some black bloc types who had it in mind to storm Vandenberg and destroy the communications facilities there shortly after the start of the Afghan War in 2001. Those facilities are a matter of life and death and their destruction would benefit only military enemies. Apparently the protestors got the word that this wasn’t like a sit-in at the dean’s office and could well get some of them killed and the survivors thrown in Federal prison for fucking ever, and the “direct action” was called off.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:15:22pm

Here it is:

Half a million people pledge to storm Area 51 to ‘see them aliens’

“Nearly half a million believers have declared they’re rushing Area 51 to “see them aliens.”

By late Friday, 496,000 Facebook users RSVPd “yes” in hopes of catching up with their other-worldly friends at the event “Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us” on Sept. 20 in the Nevada desert. An additional 494,000 users responded that they were interested.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:19:10pm

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

Pence is getting dragged in thousands of comments, but twenty thousand people liked this tweet as well (ugh).

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42K replied, 21K retweeted, 66K liked

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BigPapa  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:19:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:26:06pm

Liberals hilariously Twitter-troll hypocritical rightwing ‘Christians’ with #ThingsJesusNeverSaid (goes to Raw Story, more at the link):

Efforts by far-right extremists to politicize Christianity were ruthlessly ridiculed on Saturday as “Things Jesus Never Said” trended nationwide on Twitter.

People pointed out hypocrisy by the religious right on health care, race and President Donald Trump.

Clergy members who believe they need their own private jets were also a topic for derision.

There are times I wish I could participate in such things. As noted by numerous Christian groups over Pew Research’s study of Bible knowledge, atheists consistently score better (we need to know it for self-defence).

In US, atheists know religion better than believers. Is that bad? (Christian Science Monitor)

• 57 percent of Protestants can name the Bible’s four gospels.

• 55 percent of Catholics know their tradition teaches that sacramental bread and wine become Christ’s body and blood.

• 15 percent of white evangelicals know Jonathan Edwards participated in the First Great Awakening.

(The four Gospels are supposed to be the lynch-pin of Christianity. You’d think Protestants could name them.)

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:32:43pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:34:28pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The plot thickens. As I mentioned the other day, I have noticed an upsurge of interest in ufology among right wing agitators. This is not the traditional demographic for that sub-culture but it does match up well with things like Q-Anon in particular and Deep State conspira-lies in general. I smell a Russian rat if only because they are unlikely to pass up such an opportunity to spread chaos and discord, if not outright violence.

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stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:37:48pm

re: #60 Dave In Austin

…your favorite president - ME! HIM!!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:46:38pm

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:53:29pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:56:50pm

re: #63 I Would Prefer Not To

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 13, 2019 • 9:59:17pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:03:09pm

Douchecanoe weigh in:

Because there are no Christian leftists apparently.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:03:49pm

The Area 51 invasion will not be a surprise attack, since the hucksters have set September 20 as D-Day. My plan would be to let them have the place. Secretly remove all the secret stuff while moving in more security and maintaining the appearance of business as usual. Then, to make it look good, tear gas the horde when they cross the fence, preferably from B-2s if possible, though A-10s would be good as well. Then, as they close in, the security forces can stage a seemingly panic-stricken retreat into the desert and leave the deserted base to the mob. It would be Al Capone’s Vault on a gigantic scale. As a bonus, the next Democratic administration could identify and prosecute as many rioters and Russian agents as possible, housing them in the former immigrant camps the Trump Administration has so thoughtfully provided.

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:05:10pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Leftists are evil. This is permeating, bubbling, taking root, with millions of people who call themselves “conservative” in the United States. It’s getting ugly, folks.

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:06:03pm

Death Camps For Liberals.

Good band name?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:07:04pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

Leftists are evil. This is permeating, bubbling, taking root, with millions of people who call themselves “conservative” in the United States. It’s getting ugly, folks.

Well, all the way back to the Election of 1800, Federalist Party supporters and newspapers went after Thomas Jefferson, with their most prominent attack being “he’s an atheist.” Nothing new for conservatives.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:07:47pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

Leftists are evil. This is permeating, bubbling, taking root, with millions of people who call themselves “conservative” in the United States. It’s getting ugly, folks.

Getting?

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:09:47pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

Well, all the way back to the Election of 1800, Federalist Party supporters and newspapers went after Thomas Jefferson, with their most prominent attack being “he’s an atheist.” Nothing new for conservatives.

And yet Jefferson left government having advocated and enacted laws favoring slave holders.

This fucking country. The contradictions. It’s amazing.

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:11:01pm

re: #72 I Would Prefer Not To

Getting?

I’m a liberal atheist surrounded by Trump loving gun owners. I’m safe. Yes. It could get *A LOT* worse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:15:30pm

Christian hate-preacher Greg Locke goes after Rep. Ilhan Omar, opening up by lying about her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:16:31pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Hey Greg: Your religion promoted racist segregation, lynchings, slavery, and bombing abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics, you lying hypocrite.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:17:37pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:21:00pm

Dinner tonight—Reuben from Greenblatt’s Deli in Los Angeles!

Had to take a bite of the pickle before taking the picture!
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:25:58pm

re: #78 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dinner tonight—Reuben from Greenblatt’s Deli in Los Angeles!

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Save some for me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:26:04pm

re: #77 Dave In Austin

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:29:00pm

re: #63 I Would Prefer Not To

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:36:25pm

Ontario Provincial Police pwned.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:42:07pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Christian hate-preacher Greg Locke goes after Rep. Ilhan Omar, opening up by lying about her.

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Just a reminder about Greg Locke being unable to keep Mr. Pee Pee in his pants…

christianpost.com

After months of denying they were in an intimate relationship before his recent divorce, Greg Locke, the outspoken internet preacher and lead pastor of Global Vision Bible Church in Tennessee, has married his administrative assistant and ex-wife’s best friend, Tai Cowan McGee.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:50:43pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Douchecanoe weigh in:

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Because there are no Christian leftists apparently.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:54:04pm

My much- younger brother and son-in-law are both ordained ministers and will presumably have a hand in my funeral service. I have asked them to keep the preaching down, though they are welcome to pass the plate if they like.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:56:52pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a reminder about Greg Locke being unable to keep Mr. Pee Pee in his pants…

christianpost.com

After months of denying they were in an intimate relationship before his recent divorce, Greg Locke, the outspoken internet preacher and lead pastor of Global Vision Bible Church in Tennessee, has married his administrative assistant and ex-wife’s best friend, Tai Cowan McGee.

And he’s an alleged wife beater, as well as a deadbeat dad.

Pastor Greg Locke: Deadbeat Dad (Pulpit & Pen, January 7, 2019)

Unfortunately, Locke has no credibility to speak to this issue as a pastor or a father. Locke is a deadbeat dad yet he has the gall to give parenting advice. According to sources very close to Locke himself, none of his four children live with him. His eldest son lives with Locke’s terminally ill mother, Judy Sumner, and has lived with her since Locke separated from his ex-wife Melissa over a year ago. At one time, Mrs. Sumner was taking care of all four of Locke’s children. Locke’s second-oldest son resides in a boys home. His two youngest children (a biological son and a foster daughter) live with Melissa. Sources also reveal that Locke has been consistently delinquent in his child support and alimony payments to his ex-wife (who is recently remarried to a former pastor). According to a November police report from Rutherford County, Tennessee and local sources, Locke spewed profanity in front of his children during a child exchange and argued with his ex-wife over his past due debts.

(more)

Pastor Locke frequently weighs in on how we’re the immoral ones though.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 10:59:02pm

FTR, I was deep into a training program with John Robert Powers when I had my first major “can’t function” incident. So I think I sympathise more than empathise with the trans actress whose part they tried to have ScarJo steal. Yes, it sucks that one of Shakespeare’s best roles is only available to men of visibly African descent. But society isn’t colourblind enough yet to allow that script back into white men’s hands and I don’t think it will be for centuries.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:00:12pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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My much- younger brother and son-in-law are both ordained ministers and will presumably have a hand in my funeral service. I have asked them to keep the preaching down, though they are welcome to pass the plate if they like.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:03:59pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

🤣

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:05:41pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ice cream cake, bounce houses, and whatever else my sons can come up with after I die.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:07:56pm

re: #88 Joe Bacon 🌹

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:12:12pm

re: #87 Chrysicat

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FTR, I was deep into a training program with John Robert Powers when I had my first major “can’t function” incident. So I think I sympathise more than empathise with the trans actress whose part they tried to have ScarJo steal. Yes, it sucks that one of Shakespeare’s best roles is only available to men of visibly African descent. But society isn’t colourblind enough yet to allow that script back into white men’s hands and I don’t think it will be for centuries.

Actually, Patrick Stewart did it a while back — by casting black actors in every other part. (And I once saw a performance of Otello in which the only role done by a black player was Iago —but that was opera.)

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:12:42pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:35:45pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:37:57pm

re: #93 Chrysicat

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ericblair  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:44:54pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

In any house that’s more than a couple of years old, you never know what kind of insane kluge you will find when you pull the drywall down. Previous homeowners are all completely crazy. Never do plumbing without the plumbing supply store being open.

This is the part of home repair they don’t show you on the TV programs.

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Chrysicat  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:45:06pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:47:12pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

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Cheechako  Jul 13, 2019 • 11:57:13pm

Looks like ICE is off to an early start (and got nothing to show for the effort):

NEW YORK — The promised White House crackdown on undocumented immigrants started early in Brooklyn.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents descended Saturday on a Sunset Park apartment building, ringing all the doorbells but eventually leaving empty-handed, eyewitnesses told the New York Daily News. President Donald Trump had promised a Sunday sweep by federal agents in New York and eight other cities across the country as part of his call to tighten the nation’s borders.

“As they were leaving, we heard them say, ‘We’ll be back,’” said a woman who lived in the building. “I’m feeling sad because my young daughter was awake, and she heard the whole thing and was real scared.”

More:

Early Brooklyn ICE raid precedes promised White House crackdown on NYC’s undocumented, prompting outpouring of support

Edit: Looks like and sounds like the Gestapo.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:02:23am
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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:06:30am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:36:03am

OMG this is so subtle, fundamental and amazing.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:38:33am

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:50:03am

Sex Offender-Turned-Christian Missionary Charged with Molesting Orphans in Kenya (Friendly Atheist)

In 1996, Gregory Dow became a convicted sex offender. More than a decade later, in 2008, under the guise of being a Christian missionary, he built an orphanage in Kenya… where he proceeded to molest even more children. Then he returned to the U.S. to escape prosecution overseas.

Yesterday, U.S. Attorney William McSwain announced that Dow had been arrested, charged with four counts of “violating a U.S. law against sexual contact with minors in foreign countries.”

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There is more at The Star, a Kenyan newspaper, about Kenyan citizens angered because Kenya’s government allowed him to do this and get away. They note Kenya is not America’s dumping ground for American Christians, and question how many other American Christians are doing precisely the same thing there.

Others are calling on the government to weed out Christian paedophiles entering the country.

The orphanage in question was closed by the government there.

the-star.co.ke

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:10:47am

Air Force investigating homophobic videos from airman in uniform (Goes to Air Force Times, more at the link):

The Air Force is investigating an airman who last week posted videos of himself, in uniform, denouncing gay people as “sodomites,” “pedophiles,” “roaches” and “vermin scum,” among other slurs.

The unidentified airman, who posted videos on YouTube under the name “Baptist Dave 1611” before taking down his account over the weekend, also voiced support for Grayson Fritts, a controversial Baptist pastor in Knoxville, Tennessee, and his views supporting the execution of gay people in the nearly 11-minute video.

“The sodomites, the homos, they do all their filthy acts in the dark of night where no one can see them,” the airman said. “When you get these perverts on their own, they flee like cockroaches, like the roaches they are, the vermin scum, the pedophiles that they are.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:39:15am

re: #87 Chrysicat

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FTR, I was deep into a training program with John Robert Powers when I had my first major “can’t function” incident. So I think I sympathise more than empathise with the trans actress whose part they tried to have ScarJo steal. Yes, it sucks that one of Shakespeare’s best roles is only available to men of visibly African descent. But society isn’t colourblind enough yet to allow that script back into white men’s hands and I don’t think it will be for centuries.

Sir Adrian Lester, OBE

Roles include: Hamlet, Othello, Henry V, Rosalind, Oliver de Boys, Lord Randolph

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:48:39am

If the conservatives don’t back down on their cruelty, none of this is going to end well for anybody.

Washington Man Accused of Hurling Molotov Cocktails at ICE Detention Center Killed by Police (Daily Beast)

The man, who has not been publicly identified, was armed with a rifle and throwing “incendiary devices” at the building, police said.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:21:57am

Tommy Robinson supporters attack BBC crew live on air outside Parliament (The Mirror)

Yesterday EDL supporters attacked a BBC journalist, beating him with his own equipment. They were protesting Robinson being jailed for contempt of court.

This is the guy our wingnuts are petitioning Trump to let in the country. He has a long criminal record, including entering the USA on someone else’s passport (but that’s not illegal entry to wingnuts because reasons, let’s bash asylum-seekers instead).

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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:27:15am

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:28:32am

Magnitude 6.6 earthquake in the beach resort of Broome, Western Australia state.
earthquake.usgs.gov

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:29:34am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Tommy Robinson supporters attack BBC crew live on air outside Parliament (The Mirror)

Yesterday EDL supporters attacked a BBC journalist, beating him with his own equipment. They were protesting Robinson being jailed for contempt of court.

This is the guy our wingnuts are petitioning Trump to let in the country. He has a long criminal record, including entering the USA on someone else’s passport (but that’s not illegal entry to wingnuts because reasons, let’s bash asylum-seekers instead).

Here’s Tommy Robinson’s rap sheet (btw, his real name is Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon):

Assault In 2005, Robinson was jailed for 12 months for assault occasioning actual bodily harm, for which he was sentenced to 12 months’ imprisonment, and assault with intent to resist arrest, for which he received a concurrent term of three months.

Assaulting a police officer In 2010, Robinson was charged with assaulting a police officer during clashes at a poppy burning protest. After the fighting, a police officer was taken to hospital after trying to intervene in a 50 man brawl.

Rooftop protest In 2011, Robinson and EDL co-founder Kevin Carroll flew to Zurich to protest on the roof of a FIFA building that England were not allowed to wear poppies on their kit because of FIFA’s political symbol ban. They were fined £3,000 for their troubles.

Assault at his own rally In 2011, Robinson was convicted of assault for an attack at an EDL march in Blackburn. After he was goaded for being a government and police informant Robinson launched into a verbal tirade against those protesting against him. Robinson then proceeded to headbutt one of the march goers.

Luton football riot In July 2011, Robinson was found guilty of leading a brawl that included 100 Luton Town football fans into a fight with Newport County fans. Fans were heard chanting ‘EDL till I die.’ For the crime committed, he was given a suspended 12-month prison sentence and banned from Luton football matches for 3 years.

Using someone else’s passport In January 2013 Robinson was jailed for 10 months for travelling to the USA on his friend’s passport. Robinson admitted the charge of possession of a false identity document with improper intention. The passport Robinson used was under the name of Andrew McMaster. He checked himself in on the way out from Heathrow airport however when he arrived in the USA customs officials took his fingerprints and realised he was using a passport that was not his own.

Mortgage fraud In 2014, Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison for 18 months for committing mortgage fraud with the crime dating back to 2009. After pleading guilty in November 2013 to committing £160,000 worth of mortgage fraud Robinson was sentenced at St Albans Crown Court. Whilst passing the sentence, the judge told Robinson: “This was an operation which was fraudulent from the outset and involved a significant amount of forward planning. I am satisfied you took part in a thoroughly dishonest course of conduct.”

Contempt of court 1 In 2017, Robinson was given a 3 month suspended sentence after he admitted a contempt of court charge for attempting to photograph juvenile defendant in a court case whilst having no right to do so. Court security had told Robinson not to film in and around the court as it would lead to his arrest. The 3 month suspended sentence could be activated within 18 months.

Contempt of court 2 Finally, earlier this year, the crucial case that led to Robinson being jailed and sparked the ridiculous Free Tommy protests. Robinson is currently serving a 13-month sentence for contempt of court. Robinson was arrested after Facebook live streaming outside Leeds Crown Court for an hour despite there being reporting restrictions on the case.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:30:11am

re: #109 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:31:37am

EEK.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:36:10am

re: #113 teleskiguy

Woah, and just a few minutes ago a 6.6 Magnitude in Western Australia.

The Pacific Rim’s really popping.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:37:53am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

PB Blaster is good stuff. Been using it 30 years.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 2:56:47am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Woah, and just a few minutes ago a 6.6 Magnitude in Western Australia.

The Pacific Rim’s really popping.

Gotta be a kaiju.

//

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 3:12:11am

re: #116 Targetpractice

Gotta be a kaiju.

//

Let’s get ready to rumble!!
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 3:49:30am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Woah, and just a few minutes ago a 6.6 Magnitude in Western Australia.

The Pacific Rim’s really popping.

Let’s hope the Pacific Ocean doesn’t suddenly get ejected out into space. That would be a real problem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 4:06:55am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

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Needz moar saddles on the dinos. /s

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jeffreyw  Jul 14, 2019 • 4:25:47am

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 4:27:32am

City of Everett Can Force Bikini Baristas To Cover Their Butts, 9th Circuit Rules (Goes to Reason Magazine)

Poking around over at the Libertarians to see what they’re talking about.

The tagline for the article is cute:

The law is an ass, cleft and all.

The Ninth Circuit Court ruled that baristas who serve coffee have to cover up.

As I detailed in a 2017 column, the bikini-barista business model, which is popular in my home of Washington State, features baristas in small coffee stands who wear skimpy attire while serving coffee to customers through a drive-up window. Everett officials, who claim the bikini barista stands are responsible for “prostitution and sexual violence,” adopted a pair of moralistic ordinances to combat them two years ago.

That spurred the lawsuit, filed by several baristas and their employer.

In a 24-page opinion, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled that the U.S. District Court in Seattle erred in granting a temporary injunction that had barred Everett officials from enforcing the ban while the suit proceeded. The Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that the law violates the baristas’ First Amendment right to free expression and lifted the injunction, meaning the ban is back on while the lawsuit proceeds in district court.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 14, 2019 • 4:47:07am

Update on the shooting in Tacoma yesterday.
Police: 69-year-old man dies after attacking migrant jail

Looks like suicide by cop. Friend describes him as an “anarchist and anti-fascist.” He had been arrested for assaulting a cop at an anti-ICE demonstration last year

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2019 • 4:54:33am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Douchecanoe weigh in:

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Because there are no Christian leftists apparently.

Isn’t Trump speaking out on religion basically a prostitute lecturing on purity?

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:01:15am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Here it is:

Half a million people pledge to storm Area 51 to ‘see them aliens’

“Nearly half a million believers have declared they’re rushing Area 51 to “see them aliens.”

By late Friday, 496,000 Facebook users RSVPd “yes” in hopes of catching up with their other-worldly friends at the event “Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us” on Sept. 20 in the Nevada desert. An additional 494,000 users responded that they were interested.”

Well that’s good. They just gave the gubermint time to move evathang.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:05:56am

When I lived in Indiana the state government actually backed off plans for awhile to place identification stickers on highway signs because crazies thought they were there to guide the black helicopters and were raising such a fuss.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:10:57am

Tropical Storm Barry Public Advisory (National Hurricane Center)

SUMMARY OF 700 AM CDT…1200 UTC…INFORMATION
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LOCATION…31.4N 93.4W
ABOUT 5 MI…10 KM W OF PEASON RIDGE LOUISIANA
ABOUT 80 MI…125 KM SSE OF SHREVEPORT LOUISIANA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…45 MPH…75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…N OR 360 DEGREES AT 6 MPH…10 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…1005 MB…29.68 INCHES

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Barry is still a tropical storm.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:16:07am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

Lots of heavy rain still moving through the NOLA region: radar.weather.gov

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:21:13am

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

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Blaster is good stuff. I had to buy some more about a moth ago for something I was working on. Was later at night so I went to the always open WalMart in town. I grabbed a coupe things the wife wanted and the Blaster. Went to the self checkout and scanned my stuff. At the end of scanning I punched the checkout on the screen. It beeped a couple times and told me “Restricted item, please wait for attendant”. The kid came over and punched a few buttons and said it was good to go. I asked him what the problem was and he said “Whatever that Blaster is is a restricted item”. I told him what Blaster was for and thanked him. I guess people are huffing that shit or something.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:27:09am

re: #123 Mike Lamb

Isn’t Trump speaking out on religion basically a prostitute lecturing on purity?

Not according to those 2 Corinthians.

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BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:30:57am

So I’m still depressed Pelosi won’t move for impeachment while orange continues to wreak havoc driving us to fascism. But I just realized that if impeachment fails in the Senate, is there a Double Jeopardy issue if it fails? Is there only one shot at this?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:33:17am

re: #130 BigPapa

I believe there is a form of double jeopardy. I am not sure of all of the details but certain requirements must be observed or met.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:36:31am

(video, 13:16)

Utah Outcasts goes after David Barton’s historical revisionism on the II Amendment.

David Barton and the Second Amendment

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:41:23am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Tommy Robinson supporters attack BBC crew live on air outside Parliament (The Mirror)

Yesterday EDL supporters attacked a BBC journalist, beating him with his own equipment. They were protesting Robinson being jailed for contempt of court.

This is the guy our wingnuts are petitioning Trump to let in the country. He has a long criminal record, including entering the USA on someone else’s passport (but that’s not illegal entry to wingnuts because reasons, let’s bash asylum-seekers instead).

What’s the problem? This is very on brand for right wingers. Of course they’re going to support (and emulate). FAKE NEWS don’t cha know?

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BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:44:42am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:50:13am

re: #133 MsJ

What’s the problem? This is very on brand for right wingers. Of course they’re going to support (and emulate). FAKE NEWS don’t cha know?

I have to wonder if Robinson and his gang attacked the BBC crew specifically to impress American wingnuts and strengthen their support for his visit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:52:54am

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Update on the shooting in Tacoma yesterday.
Police: 69-year-old man dies after attacking migrant jail

Looks like suicide by cop. Friend describes him as an “anarchist and anti-fascist.” He had been arrested for assaulting a cop at an anti-ICE demonstration last year

I don’t guess it occurred to the would-be arsonist that setting fire to an under-staffed building where people are locked up could lead to disaster. It is certainly no way to show support for those people.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 5:57:42am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:01:13am

re: #137 MsJ

OMG They are at it again. :(

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:05:28am

Happy ending. Thankfully.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:06:21am

re: #138 PhillyPretzel

OMG They are at it again. :(

That was my first thought. Unfortunately.

It’s still unknown though.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:20:00am

re: #130 BigPapa

So I’m still depressed Pelosi won’t move for impeachment while orange continues to wreak havoc driving us to fascism. But I just realized that if impeachment fails in the Senate, is there a Double Jeopardy issue if it fails? Is there only one shot at this?

No, there’s nothing in the Constitution that says the House can’t pass another articles of Impeachment. Of course, you’ll never get 20 GOP Senators to vote to remove Trump from office no matter how many times the House impeaches him.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:21:56am

re: #128 Eventual Carrion

Blaster is good stuff. I had to buy some more about a moth ago for something I was working on. Was later at night so I went to the always open WalMart in town. I grabbed a coupe things the wife wanted and the Blaster. Went to the self checkout and scanned my stuff. At the end of scanning I punched the checkout on the screen. It beeped a couple times and told me “Restricted item, please wait for attendant”. The kid came over and punched a few buttons and said it was good to go. I asked him what the problem was and he said “Whatever that Blaster is is a restricted item”. I told him what Blaster was for and thanked him. I guess people are huffing that shit or something.

The Ancient among us know that PB Blaster is the real stuff. That WD40 is for yuppie arrivistes.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:25:38am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Here it is:

Half a million people pledge to storm Area 51 to ‘see them aliens’

“Nearly half a million believers have declared they’re rushing Area 51 to “see them aliens.”

By late Friday, 496,000 Facebook users RSVPd “yes” in hopes of catching up with their other-worldly friends at the event “Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us” on Sept. 20 in the Nevada desert. An additional 494,000 users responded that they were interested.”

Yeah, ok. We’ve got every bad actor under the sun leaking classified American information, and the yam and his huge fucking yap in the White House. And these people think they could keep a thing like this secret?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:26:21am

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I don’t guess it occurred to the would-be arsonist that setting fire to an under-staffed building where people are locked up could lead to disaster. It is certainly no way to show support for those people.

I’ve also seen speculation that he was specifically trying to kill detained migrants by arson.

I presume we’ll have to wait for more information on that.

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:33:51am

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:34:26am

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:34:59am

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:36:33am

What say you? This sounds very plausible to me.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:37:03am

re: #147 DangerMan

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Yep, Obama’s top legislative achievement was passing the GOP’s healthcare plan, and they denounced it as “socialism.”

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:42:23am

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, Obama’s top legislative achievement was passing the GOP’s healthcare plan, and they denounced it as “socialism.”

Remember when “no free riders” flipped to “gubmint can’t force me to buy a product?”

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:44:03am

re: #147 DangerMan

I don’t have time to find it, because I can’t search through twitter at work, but there was a graph not too long ago showing that Democrats are still to the left of the middle compared to all of the political parties in the world, versus the GOP which has moved significantly right.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:48:28am

re: #150 jaunte

Remember when “no free riders” flipped to “gubmint can’t force me to buy a product?”

Yes I love the pretzel logic on that one.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:50:21am

16 Days & Vicious Babushka is still suspended from Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:51:49am

re: #148 MsJ

What say you? This sounds very plausible to me.

The so-called crazification factor was shown in the election of Barack Obama to the US Senate.

Alan Keyes by any objective standard is (using my mother’s professional term as a psychologist), “crazy.” (Maybe working for World Nut Daily does that to you.) He once claimed “Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama.” (Considering he would not be a naturalised citizen, he wouldn’t be allowed to anyway. /s)

Keyes and Obama are both Christians.

Race was not an issue in that run for the US Senate. Neither was “carpetbagging,” since Keyes first ran in Maryland for the Senate and Obama is from Hawai’i.

The percentage was about 27% for Keyes in the election (the same as the crazification factor).

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:53:03am

Snoop Dogg pushing for US women’s soccer to get paid the same as men:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:53:56am

“Great reviews!”
How fucked up is that?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 6:54:53am

Are there actually reviews of the migrant detention facilities? Like on Yelp or someplace?

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Archangelus  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:00:41am

re: #157 The Pie Overlord!

Are there actually reviews of the migrant detention facilities? Like on Yelp or someplace?

Challenge accepted!

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:01:16am

re: #156 The Pie Overlord!

“Great reviews!”
How fucked up is that?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:04:45am

re: #156 The Pie Overlord!

“Great reviews!”
How fucked up is that?

As Stonekettle would say, “How do you know?”

None of them had been processed for the validity of asylum claims or anything else at that point. The assertion by Trump there are many criminals is simply another lie.

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:05:39am

I’m not even going to post anything that directly retweets this, because fuck that.

Yeaaaah…..

BLOOD AND SOIL! BLOOD AND SOIL! BLOOD AND SOIL!!

If only we had a media that wasn’t so fucking utterly and totally complicit as to pass along his racism as if it was a quaint harmless character trait.

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:06:35am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Here it is:

Half a million people pledge to storm Area 51 to ‘see them aliens’

“Nearly half a million believers have declared they’re rushing Area 51 to “see them aliens.”

By late Friday, 496,000 Facebook users RSVPd “yes” in hopes of catching up with their other-worldly friends at the event “Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us” on Sept. 20 in the Nevada desert. An additional 494,000 users responded that they were interested.”

The govt moved all the aliens from area 51 years ago

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:07:20am

re: #161 Citizen K

They are afraid of him and in order to keep him happy they agree with him.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:09:48am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:12:26am

re: #164 jaunte

“Go back to Africa.” How very conservative. I see their greatest hits haven’t changed since I was born.

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:13:55am

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

They are afraid of him and in order to keep him happy they agree with him.

This level of toadying goes far beyond simple cowardice. It’s been repeated before but this is straight up Stockholm Syndrome. This is open complicity. They’re not agreeing with him out of fear, they’re agreeing with him out of fucking devotion, even as he rallies his followers to treat them like literal subhumans traitors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:17:07am

re: #166 Citizen K

This level of toadying goes far beyond simple cowardice. It’s been repeated before but this is straight up Stockholm Syndrome. This is open complicity. They’re not agreeing with him out of fear, they’re agreeing with him out of fucking devotion, even as he rallies his followers to treat them like literal subhumans traitors.

The New York Times also endorsed Hitler, said the fears of his racist rhetoric was overblown, and has yet to apologise or withdraw that endorsement.

This is not new for the so-called liberal media.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:17:25am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:18:43am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

True. We have to keep those pictures of the detention camps in the forefront of twitter and the rest of the press and in the minds of all Americans.

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:18:56am

re: #162 DangerMan

The govt moved all the aliens from area 51 years ago

I’m not sure A51 is a healthy place to try to enter…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:21:58am

re: #148 MsJ

What say you? This sounds very plausible to me.

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jeffreyw  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:22:05am

re: #170 Teukka

I’m not sure A51 is a healthy place to try to enter…

Of course not, get too close and the aliens will take your mind over and will be controlling you just like they do the area cadre. They haven’t been rotate out since the ’40s. Do the math!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:24:37am

The press still goes with the term “racially-charged” when referring to statements by Trump or other Republicans, rather than the more accurate “racist” or “bigoted.”

This is just like my three+ year complaint where they will use any euphemism for the word “lie.” I even got pushback from ostensible liberals claiming that the term “lie” was not as important as what was being said.

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Teukka  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:26:25am

re: #137 MsJ

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re: #138 PhillyPretzel

OMG They are at it again. :(

re: #140 MsJ

That was my first thought. Unfortunately.

It’s still unknown though.

My first thought was “Oh, so the [Kook Klutz] Klan has revived that method again.”

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:26:46am

For a fraction of that amount, we could eliminate the rape kit backlog, hire immigration judges to clear the asylum backlog, and process cases faster (ultimately reducing the number of people here illegally via overstays), all while respecting human and civil rights (and put the emphasis on actual criminal justice and women’s rights).

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:26:52am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

The press still goes with the term “racially-charged” when referring to statements by Trump or other Republicans, rather than the more accurate “racist” or “bigoted.”

This is just like my three+ year complaint where they will use any euphemism for the word “lie.” I even got pushback from ostensible liberals claiming that the term “lie” was not as important as what was being said.

That’s like….the term ‘lie’ is important precisely because of what’s being said.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:27:41am

re: #172 jeffreyw

Of course not, get too close and the aliens will take your mind over and will be controlling you just like they do the area cadre. They haven’t been rotate out since the ’40s. Do the math!

Aliens are really behind both the flat-Earth and antivaxxer movements, to make the inevitable invasion of Earth easier so they can get the ingredients for their book “To Serve Man.”

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:29:47am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:31:20am

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:33:54am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:34:12am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:35:05am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

On an unrelated topic, congratulations! That comment was number 55,000.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:36:13am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:38:48am

re: #175 lawhawk

Robert Mercer is one of those libertarians who think taxation is theft and the Civil Rights Act was wrongly passed over the rights of business owners.

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BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:40:32am

re: #153 The Pie Overlord!

16 Days & Vicious Babushka is still suspended from Twitter.

Unreal. I’m still hours away from my 7 day ending for calling Charlie Kirk a bimbo. You must have been bot swarmed or something.

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:40:38am

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, Obama’s top legislative achievement was passing the GOP’s healthcare plan, and they denounced it as “socialism.”

And they’re about to drive off another cliff if they get the repeal cause they got no solution after that

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:40:50am
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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:41:43am

Not linking his first tweet because again, I refuse to post anything directly retweeting the Orange’s venom.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:42:14am

re: #178 jaunte

And the Sandernistas weigh in:

Sanders isn’t going to stop crap with the IRS, and what’s committing “financial genocide” on the workingclass [sic in original] is endless tax cuts by conservatives.

The IRS just enforces tax laws. The Mercers with an army of lawyers have buried the IRS in a mountain of litigation, because just the interest on that $7 billion if it was in a freakin’ CD is more than what their lawyers cost.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:43:31am
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:43:38am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

Only Bernie Sanders will stop it.

Magic!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:43:58am

re: #188 Citizen K

Not linking his first tweet because again, I refuse to post anything directly retweeting the Orange’s venom.

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:44:26am

re: #186 DangerMan

And they’re about to drive off another cliff if they get the repeal cause they got no solution after that

The repeal IS the solution. That’s the entire point. They don’t actually want to get Americans on health care, they want it as a bludgeon to bash Dems over the heads with and consolidate their power. They want Americans to suffer, because suffering Americans are easily given scapegoats to help ignore their suffering. They want Americans to suffer because to them, they’re not really ‘Americans’ anyway.

This is exactly what they want, which is why there was never any realistic ‘replace’ option ever even attempted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:45:30am

re: #191 jaunte

Magic!

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℗ 1982 Capitol Records, LLC

Released on: 1982-01-01

Studio Personnel, Engineer: Chuck Kirkpatrick
Producer: Russ Ballard
(3:58)

You Can Do Magic

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:45:55am

re: #186 DangerMan

And they’re about to drive off another cliff if they get the repeal cause they got no solution after that

It would almost be worth it to watch the GOP crash and burn in 2020, except for all the people who would die for lack of healthcare. But Roberts won’t let that happen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:47:53am

re: #195 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It would almost be worth it to watch the GOP crash and burn in 2020, except for all the people who would die for lack of healthcare. But Roberts won’t let that happen.

You trust Justice Roberts as a conservative to consider the needs of the people more than I do then.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:50:34am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

You trust Justice Roberts as a conservative to consider the needs of the people more than I do then.

I trust him to reject laughably ludicrous legal theories and to not let the GOP committ suicide, which throwing 20 million Americans off of healthcare coverage in an election year would constitute.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:50:36am

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:51:45am

re: #197 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I trust him to reject laughably ludicrous legal theories and to not let the GOP committ suicide, which throwing 20 million Americans off of healthcare coverage in an election year would constitute.

“The cruelty is the point.”

I don’t. Watch how fast it gets blamed on Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or “illegals at the border.”

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:53:10am

In other news, Candice Owens is still a vile piece of shit:

Somehow, just somehow, I truly get the feeling that ‘Vice-signaling’ is a more significant problem than ‘Virtue-signaling’. Then again, the former doesn’t get called out because it’s considered part of the ‘default’ in this country, and the default can never be the problem.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:53:29am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

Tell them you’ve read the Bible, and are they prepared to not have a Samaritan near by to save them?

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:54:21am

re: #193 Citizen K

The repeal IS the solution. That’s the entire point. They don’t actually want to get Americans on health care, they want it as a bludgeon to bash Dems over the heads with and consolidate their power. They want Americans to suffer, because suffering Americans are easily given scapegoats to help ignore their suffering. They want Americans to suffer because to them, they’re not really ‘Americans’ anyway.

This is exactly what they want, which is why there was never any realistic ‘replace’ option ever even attempted.

They are a party without any compassion or humanity.

If they throw the insurance and financial markets into chaos now 2020 will be a shit show for them

*Everybody* is affected by health insurance coverage

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:55:53am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

If they’re uncomfortable, let em move the church

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jeffreyw  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:56:49am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

Aliens are really behind both the flat-Earth and antivaxxer movements, to make the inevitable invasion of Earth easier so they can get the ingredients for their book “To Serve Man.”

The aliens are pushing high fructose corn syrup because the fat is where the flavor is.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:58:13am

re: #200 Citizen K

In other news, Candice Owens is still a vile piece of shit:

Somehow, just somehow, I truly get the feeling that ‘Vice-signaling’ is a more significant problem than ‘Virtue-signaling’. Then again, the former doesn’t get called out because it’s considered part of the ‘default’ in this country, and the default can never be the problem.

“Hey Randolph! Can I call you Randolph? I know that your preferred noun is ‘Candace’ but I really see you as a ‘Randolph’ and I don’t want to be a party to your delusion that you are really a ‘Candace.’

“You don’t like that? Well, you do that. Are you saying you’re a hypocrite? Because I can call you ‘Hypocrite’ rather than ‘Candace’ as well. Would that be better? It would be more descriptive.

“And since ‘Randolph’ is generally a male-gendered name, my pronouns for you will henceforth be “he, him, his” because you’re really ‘Randolph’ and not your delusion of ‘Candace.’”

Or you know, you could quit being a douchecanoe and just call people what they want to be called, instead of the endless grievance-fest which is the core of Movement Conservatism since the founding of the Republic.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 7:58:17am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

“The cruelty is the point.”

I don’t. Watch how fast it gets blamed on Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or “illegals at the border.”

Roberts already refused to kill the ACA twice when better legal arguments were made and it would’ve been less politically costly to the GOP to do so. So it would be really bizarre for him to do it now. He’s conservative, but he’s not foolish; just look at how he refused to let Wilbur Ross get by on his lie about the census question when the other 4 conservatives would’ve.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:00:32am

re: #206 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Roberts already refused to kill the ACA twice when better legal arguments were made and it would’ve been less politically costly to the GOP to do so. So it would be really bizarre for him to do it now. He’s conservative, but he’s not foolish; just look at how he refused to let Wilbur Ross get by on his lie about the census question when the other 4 conservatives would’ve.

I hope you’re right. We’ll see what happens.

Roberts also let them come back to the court when they could make up a better lie.

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:01:14am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

“Hey Randolph! Can I call you Randolph? I know that your preferred noun is ‘Candace’ but I really see you as a ‘Randolph’ and I don’t want to be a party to your delusion that you are really a ‘Candace.’

“You don’t like that? Well, you do that. Are you saying you’re a hypocrite? Because I can call you ‘Hypocrite’ rather than ‘Candace’ as well. Would that be better? It would be more descriptive.

“And since ‘Randolph’ is generally a male-gendered name, my pronouns for you will henceforth be “he, him, his” because you’re really ‘Randolph’ and not your delusion of ‘Candace.’”

Or you know, you could quit being a douchecanoe and just call people what they want to be called, instead of the endless grievance-fest which is the core of Movement Conservatism since the founding of the Republic.

Spot on
+1 & golf clap

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:02:41am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

you are surrounded by some truly sick f*cks

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:02:47am

In which what we’ve known all along is leaked to the British press:

bbc.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:04:33am

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

In which what we’ve known all along is leaked to the British press:

bbc.com

bbc.com

Trump never even read the deal or even a summary of its contents, he killed it because it had Obama’s signature on it

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:06:02am

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

In which what we’ve known all along is leaked to the British press:

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bbc.com

This fuck is going to blow up our country because a black man did some things. That’s all this boils down to.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:06:11am

re: #165 Anymouse 🌹

“Go back to Africa.” How very conservative. I see their greatest hits haven’t changed since I was born.

Yep. Not just the darker skin colors either. During run up to Iraq I was told I wasn’t a real American because I didn’t support Bush. Love it or leave it (if you don’t agree with conservatives then you should leave the country). Same shit forever.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:07:27am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you are surrounded by some truly sick f*cks

Well, there’s not much I can do about it. I just try to get along as best as I can.

I would like to think that person was a minority in my town.

In a recent town board meeting, one of the people who lives across the alley from me asked “can we get that road grader to level our alley? We’re the ones who pay our property taxes.”

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:08:29am

re: #213 Old Liberal

Yep. Not just the darker skin colors either. During run up to Iraq I was told I wasn’t a real American because I didn’t support Bush. Love it or leave it (if you don’t agree with conservatives then you should leave the country). Same shit forever.

It’s fucking shit all over. But it’s a difference between not being considered ‘American’ because of ideology, and not being considered ‘American’ because of your skin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:10:11am

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

In which what we’ve known all along is leaked to the British press:

bbc.com

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:11:54am

re: #186 DangerMan

And they’re about to drive off another cliff if they get the repeal cause they got no solution after that

Yes and it will affect votes in some states. In KY and other states we will see Obama blamed and the people will defeatedly accept the loss of medical care. Rural hospitals will close and they’ll blame liberals. Broken brain syndrome.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:13:48am

This is a remaking of America in Trump’s image. He does things either out of spite or to curry favor with the base, then the administration has to figure out some rationale and codify it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:15:14am

re: #217 Old Liberal

Yes and it will affect votes in some states. In KY and other states we will see Obama blamed and the people will defeatedly accept the loss of medical care. Rural hospitals will close and they’ll blame liberals. Broken brain syndrome.

If we lost the hospital in my county, the next nearest hospital is sixty miles away either in Scottsbluff or Sidney.

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Citizen K  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:16:20am

re: #217 Old Liberal

Yes and it will affect votes in some states. In KY and other states we will see Obama blamed and the people will defeatedly accept the loss of medical care. Rural hospitals will close and they’ll blame liberals. Broken brain syndrome.

Reminder that ACA was unpopular in KY, but Kynect was very popular, and that Bevin run on crippling both in the state. He won handily and has been dismantling it all since.

People’s hate for liberals, Democrats, and ‘others’ will almost always win out over their personal needs.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:16:39am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

I can’t find a shred of logic in their statement. Am I missing something?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:17:35am

re: #221 Old Liberal

I can’t find a shred of logic in their statement. Am I missing something?

yes, spiteful bigotry

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DangerMan  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:18:52am

Pelosi Sets Spending Demands for Two-Year Budget Deal

Pelosi has to:

- keep the caucus together - ie put on a good face/front for the party

- try to legislate, knowing nothing will get done, thanks mitch

- deal with the budget and debt ceiling, unavoidable

- wrangle impeachment

- and look ahead to 2020

her job is not any one thing - it’s all those things, and more

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:19:14am

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Even here in Philly, Hahnemann University Hospital is closing. This is very distressing news for not only those who work there but for the city as a whole.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:20:26am

I’ve just started Jill Lepore’s These Truths and thought I’d quote her on John Winthrop, first Governor of Massachusetts Colony: “The care of the public must oversway all private respects…. For it is a true rule that particular estates cannot subsist at the ruin of the republic.” We really do need a nationwide civics lesson.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:21:18am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, spiteful bigotry

Pretty much. Taking “insult” at someone not being of your particular faith.

Emo Philips - Joke on Religion

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:24:16am

re: #223 DangerMan

Pelosi Sets Spending Demands for Two-Year Budget Deal

Pelosi has to:

- keep the caucus together - ie put on a good face/front for the party

- try to legislate, knowing nothing will get done, thanks mitch

- deal with the budget and debt ceiling, unavoidable

- wrangle impeachment

- and look ahead to 2020

her job is not any one thing - it’s all those things, and more

I started on team Pelosi, but it’s getting hard. She has a lot on her plate, but if the House doesn’t do whatever it can to protect our elections what’s the point? If we can’t help out the most unfortunate people in our country, does it really matter that the trains are running on time?

Instagram

Sad but true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:24:47am

re: #221 Old Liberal

I can’t find a shred of logic in their statement. Am I missing something?

Nope. You’re not missing anything. As far as some people are concerned, Satan is living next door to their church. “Logic” doesn’t enter into religious belief, which is why consistent polling shows atheists as less trusted than rapists and paedophiles, and why I was defeated in my election on a campaign of “do you want an atheist representing you on the village board?”

While folks go on about white Evangelicals being all-in for Trump in the last election, Pew Research showed that Christians of every denomination favoured Trump over Clinton, with the exception of Mormons (!), black Evangelicals, and Hispanic Catholics.

Atheists and agnostics overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton, because Democrats are the Party of Satan or something.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:27:12am

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

Even here in Philly, Hahnemann University Hospital is closing. This is very distressing news for not only those who work there but for the city as a whole.

That’s a much larger hospital than my county hospital.

Part of what keeps our hospital open is the ACA, and partly because it’s actually owned by the county (socialised medicine, oh my).

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:28:42am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Nope. You’re not missing anything. As far as some people are concerned, Satan is living next door to their church. “Logic” doesn’t enter into religious belief, which is why consistent polling shows atheists as less trusted than rapists and paedophiles, and why I was defeated in my election on a campaign of “do you want an atheist representing you on the village board?”

While folks go on about white Evangelicals being all-in for Trump in the last election, Pew Research showed that Christians of every denomination favoured Trump over Clinton, with the exception of Mormons (!), black Evangelicals, and Hispanic Catholics.

Atheists and agnostics overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton, because Democrats are the Party of Satan or something.

Is the idea that if you lived two blocks away in a small town it wouldn’t be an insult? Or your very existence is the insult?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:29:05am

re: #229 Anymouse 🌹

Yes. It is a large hospital but thankfully here in Philly we have other hospitals. Jefferson and HUP and quite a few others in different areas of the city.

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Ferdinand  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:29:19am

re: #212 Citizen K

This fuck is going to blow up our country because a black man did some things. That’s all this boils down to.

Is going to? Let’s just go with “This fuck HAS blown up our country …” The damage has been done, although there is more and more to come.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:30:10am

re: #227 I Would Prefer Not To

I started on team Pelosi, but it’s getting hard. She has a lot on her plate, but if the House doesn’t do whatever it can to protect our elections what’s the point? If we can’t help out the most unfortunate people in our country, does it really matter that the trains are running on time?

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Based on the 3 branches of government model, with the House being half of one branch, what can it do?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:34:09am

re: #230 Old Liberal

Is the idea that if you lived two blocks away in a small town it wouldn’t be an insult? Or your very existence is the insult?

That is implied

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:35:05am

Question. We have witnessed that our government laws are ineffective whenever those in power choose to ignore them. That checks and balances do not work. So how does this country deal with this going forward since passing new laws is meaningless since we now see that they won’t be followed when power is distributed in a manner that allows disregard for law?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:36:21am

re: #227 I Would Prefer Not To

I started on team Pelosi, but it’s getting hard. She has a lot on her plate, but if the House doesn’t do whatever it can to protect our elections what’s the point? If we can’t help out the most unfortunate people in our country, does it really matter that the trains are running on time?

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??? How can she protect our elections when McConnell won’t look at any legislation she passes. She cannot protect our election on her own.

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:39:19am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

(video, 13:16)

Utah Outcasts goes after David Barton’s historical revisionism on the II Amendment.

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I ran into Barton in the DFW airport several years ago. I was, unfortunately, traveling for work. Had I not been, I would have given that fake doctorate asshole an earful.

On a different subject, I found out the church/cult I picket is having a series of meetings called “ReformCon” October 24-26, at the church they’re renting near my house. This is not a cheap attendance thing, their pre-sale price for tickets is $129/person (with a $299/family of four rate). reformcon.org The last day is a conference for their “End Abortion Now” movement.

I still have many days of PTO/unscheduled holiday this year, I guess I can take a few days off to let the people who come in for the cult’s meeting that their beliefs are not welcome in the neighborhood. It amuses me greatly that I could actually schedule the days off using the two “religious/personal holidays” we’re given every year. (In fact, I really should.)

I had been tempted not to go out to protest today, because the temperature is supposed to be 109 at protest time, but…one of the church members who follows me on Twitter pointed out to someone I was poking that I protest his church. I can’t let him down, now can I? To be serious, though, I am very careful about how much time I spend in the sun, I am parking my SUV in front of the church, I bring a cooler of water with me and obviously I wear a hat.

The one thing that irritates me to no end is that they persist in calling me by my legal name. Nobody except my family uses that name and I hate that it’s in these asshats’ mouths. I think I’m going to just not answer them when they use that name.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:39:40am

re: #230 Old Liberal

Is the idea that if you lived two blocks away in a small town it wouldn’t be an insult? Or your very existence is the insult?

Yes.

Back when I ran a bulletin board in the Eighties in Virginia Beach, the board was about comparative religion and counter-apologetics.

Aside from the FidoNet board in town, it was the most popular; I had commentators from every continent.

It was so popular the Virginian-Pilot and Ledger-Star actually did an article on me. Note no one was forced to dial up my blistering fast 1,200 baud Commodore modem.

Cue Pat Robertson and his university. Almost overnight, I had pickets at my apartment. Threats on my answering machine. Calls to the Virginia Beach Police were met with “well, you shouldn’t be speaking out against Christians.” I received no help.

As things got worse over a day or two, I asked NAS Oceana to protect my wife and son. They offered me recruiting duty on an immediate transfer to Massachusetts. My wife and son moved to the base until my orders came through for recruiting school in Florida, which took about a week.

This is normal for atheists in the USA, but is slowly becoming less common.

An atheist who exists as a moral upstanding citizen is a direct challenge to the religious claim “you need God to be moral.” The mere existence of an atheist in a religious community is a threat to the order and stability of their religion.

It really wouldn’t matter if I moved to a different state. The same sorts of discrimination are found everywhere in the USA.

Even in nominally tolerant states like Vermont, it only takes one Christian to really make your day a bad one (or a dead one). This is why I note that when someone identifies themselves as a Christian (or any church denomination), I become defensive. I compare it to a woman who meets a strange man. You just don’t know which one will ruin your day (at best) or kill you (at worst).

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:40:02am

re: #235 Old Liberal

Honestly, abolish the electoral college, minimize gerrymandering, and automatically register every American to vote. This has generally happened in our country when a large minority is in charge when they really shouldn’t be.

When a majority of the people decide this, you can’t write a system that prevents it.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:41:27am

re: #227 I Would Prefer Not To

I started on team Pelosi, but it’s getting hard. She has a lot on her plate, but if the House doesn’t do whatever it can to protect our elections what’s the point? If we can’t help out the most unfortunate people in our country, does it really matter that the trains are running on time?

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A few days ago Pelosi said that Acosta should resign. I heard fifteen minute rants on podcasts about how she should have demanded impeachment for Acosta, how she was a coward and failing her responsibilities, and a somewhat complicated theory about how she has completely boxed herself into uselessness. So Friday, Acosta resigned.

We may not like what Pelosi has to say a lot of the time, but is she actually wrong very much? It’s a serious question: what times has she been objectively wrong (not just “if she had done x, my favorite counterfactual hobbyhorse would have happened for sure”), and is there a pattern? Seems that the same people yelling to impeach everyone right now were the same ones tossing dirt on Obamacare’s grave over and over again.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:42:02am

re: #233 Belafon

Based on the 3 branches of government model, with the House being half of one branch, what can it do?

They can make it can make it an issue seven days a week. I don’t give a fuck what Speaker Pelosi thinks about AOC. I want her and her colleagues asking the trump admin what they are doing about election tampering. I want it to be front and center. I want them to talk about it the way hannity talks about Hillary’s email. Hold hearings now. Cancel their vacations. Treat it like it’s a real problem. Play the video of trump making a joke of it to putin over and over and over. And never back down.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:44:15am

re: #240 ericblair

A few days ago Pelosi said that Acosta should resign. I heard fifteen minute rants on podcasts about how she should have demanded impeachment for Acosta, how she was a coward and failing her responsibilities, and a somewhat complicated theory about how she has completely boxed herself into uselessness. So Friday, Acosta resigned.

We may not like what Pelosi has to say a lot of the time, but is she actually wrong very much? It’s a serious question: what times has she been objectively wrong (not just “if she had done x, my favorite counterfactual hobbyhorse would have happened for sure”), and is there a pattern? Seems that the same people yelling to impeach everyone right now were the same ones tossing dirt on Obamacare’s grave over and over again.

It’s not a case of Pelosi being wrong. She’s trying to game the system. She will never have the perfect time to start impeachment. She needs to start because now is the right time. Justice delayed is justice denied.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:44:48am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

Tell them the all-powerful deity will sort it out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:45:01am

re: #239 Belafon

Honestly, abolish the electoral college, minimize gerrymandering, and automatically register every American to vote. This has generally happened in our country when a large minority is in charge when they really shouldn’t be.

When a majority of the people decide this, you can’t write a system that prevents it.

I would be for reforming the EC to represent each state’s proportional share of the population and only have it kick in if no candidate gets a majority of the popular vote.

We could ensure that everybody has a picture ID Social Security Card that also indicates citizenship or legal resident status.

And every citizen’s most recently registered SS address would automatically be their voting precinct.

This would end a lot of debate and discussion. It would not be cheap but certainly worth it to preserve the integrity of our Republic.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:46:03am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:46:48am

re: #241 I Would Prefer Not To

They can make it can make it an issue seven days a week. I don’t give a fuck what Speaker Pelosi thinks about AOC. I want her and her colleagues asking the trump admin what they are doing about election tampering. I want it to be front and center. I want them to talk about it the way hannity talks about Hillary’s email. Hold hearings now. Cancel their vacations. Treat it like it’s a real problem. Play the video of trump making a joke of it to putin over and over and over. And never back down.

First, you can’t make noise if the media doesn’t amplify. Second a tiny minority watches cable news or reads news except what is passed around on social media so even if it is picked up it has little impact.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:47:46am

re: #243 jaunte

Tell them the all-powerful deity will sort it out.

The problem with that is that one of the followers of the all-powerful deity might decide that *they* are his means to sort it out and that violence is required as part of that solution.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:47:46am

re: #242 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s not a case of Pelosi being wrong. She’s trying to game the system. She will never have the perfect time to start impeachment. She needs to start because now is the right time. Justice delayed is justice denied.

Start in July with an August recess?

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:48:54am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

You trust Justice Roberts as a conservative to consider the needs of the people more than I do then.

Not at all. But there are insurance companies Makin mint off people.. Even though they can’t do recisions any longer. That’s what Roberts cares about; corporate profit. That it happens to coincide with what people need is irrelevant.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:49:10am

re: #246 Old Liberal

First, you can’t make noise if the media doesn’t amplify. Second a tiny minority watches cable news or reads news except what is passed around on social media so even if it is picked up it has little impact.

The people I work with, most of the older ones (> 40) watch Fox. If Pelosi stood at a podium for 24 hours, they would hear Hannity.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:49:40am

I wish Pelosi were more aggressive, too. But JFC, there are people (or bots, not sure) on twitter claiming to be Democrats who say she’s basically indistinguishable from the GOP. That’s profoundly unhelpful.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:50:31am

re: #246 Old Liberal

First, you can’t make noise if the media doesn’t amplify. Second a tiny minority watches cable news or reads news except what is passed around on social media so even if it is picked up it has little impact.

Perhaps she would be screaming into the wind. That’s the chance you have to take if you are a leader, but the media is never going to amplify anything until it is repeated and repeated. Plus the media will cover impeachment hearings.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:50:49am

re: #248 Old Liberal

Start in July with an August recess?

We’ve had one subcommitte chair announce that they are investigativing articles of impeachment. How many times has that been put on the news?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:50:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:51:22am

re: #243 jaunte

Tell them the all-powerful deity will sort it out.

Somehow that deity always needs a proxy to kill the people who “need killin’.”

Fortunately, everyone in town knows I’m armed. (I never talked about being an atheist [that came out in a newspaper letter to the editor countering claims from a writer atheists are the cause of all mass shootings and murders], but I was clear on owning a gun.)

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:51:38am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

I wish Pelosi were more aggressive, too. But JFC, there are people (or bots, not sure) on twitter claiming to be Democrats who say she’s basically indistinguishable from the GOP. That’s profoundly unhelpful.

It’s certainly not an impression she’s done much to fight.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:52:15am

My whole point is that the anger should be directed at the GOP, especially Trump and McConnell.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:52:39am

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:54:36am

Nice bad paste in that photo to alter it. I could have done a better job in Microsoft Paint.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:55:05am

Never Again is Now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 8:59:07am

re: #246 Old Liberal

First, you can’t make noise if the media doesn’t amplify. Second a tiny minority watches cable news or reads news except what is passed around on social media so even if it is picked up it has little impact.

Social media has little to no impact in the rural areas of the USA where Internet service and cell phones are scarce.

Here it’s television (cable in the larger towns) with FOX or Sinclair-owned local stations, and the regional newspaper (leans heavily Republican), or Christian hate radio.

Repeat that across countless rural areas of the USA, and start counting electoral votes.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:00:12am

re: #257 Belafon

My whole point is that the anger should be directed at the GOP, especially Trump and McConnell.

My personal anger is like that of someone who tuned into the prognostication of a groundhog, hoping for an early spring and instead being told we’re getting six more weeks of winter. It’s the weariness and disinterest that comes with being told promises that things will change, only to find out that nothing’s changed and I have to wait longer. Top that off with “trust in her plan!” when there is no indication at all that a “plan” exists and I’m left wondering why in the fuck I bothered voting in November.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:01:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:01:23am

re: #250 Belafon

The people I work with, most of the older ones (> 40) watch Fox. If Pelosi stood at a podium for 24 hours, they would hear Hannity.

No love for the Swanson-heir Supremacist?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:02:27am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

#263 edited, please refresh comment

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:02:32am

re: #239 Belafon

Honestly, abolish the electoral college, minimize gerrymandering, and automatically register every American to vote. This has generally happened in our country when a large minority is in charge when they really shouldn’t be.

When a majority of the people decide this, you can’t write a system that prevents it.

Not trying to be difficult but while those are definitely good they won’t get passed. So we’ll be relegated to writing, for example, stronger definitions of emoluments. But when it’s been shown that all laws can be ignored, what is the point? To me, the best answer is what Grant and Sherman did when they took back power— burn the corrupt opposition to the ground.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:03:48am

re: #262 Targetpractice

My personal anger is like that of someone who tuned into the prognostication of a groundhog, hoping for an early spring and instead being told we’re getting six more weeks of winter. It’s the weariness and disinterest that comes with being told promises that things will change, only to find out that nothing’s changed and I have to wait longer. Top that off with “trust in her plan!” when there is no indication at all that a “plan” exists and I’m left wondering why in the fuck I bothered voting in November.

Leadership is being ahead of the curve. Leadership is not waiting until the time is perfect. Leadership is NOT being afraid to speak out, take the heat, etc.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:03:57am

re: #262 Targetpractice

We have to constantly fight for what this nation is supposed to stand for. Emma Lazarus must be spinning with those unfortunate refugees who are detained by DT and Co.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:04:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:04:56am

re: #262 Targetpractice

My personal anger is like that of someone who tuned into the prognostication of a groundhog, hoping for an early spring and instead being told we’re getting six more weeks of winter. It’s the weariness and disinterest that comes with being told promises that things will change, only to find out that nothing’s changed and I have to wait longer. Top that off with “trust in her plan!” when there is no indication at all that a “plan” exists and I’m left wondering why in the fuck I bothered voting in November.

Rep. Pelosi has been at the government game for a long time. She knows how to count votes in the House.

Did you get to vote for Democrats? I didn’t. Most of my ballot was blank in 2018. I voted for me, the state board of college regents (which flipped to the Democrats), and my school board (the Democrats flipped the school board in Dalton from Republican control here).

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:05:41am

re: #267 I Would Prefer Not To

Leadership is being ahead of the curve. Leadership is not waiting until the time is perfect. Leadership is NOT being afraid to speak out, take the heat, etc.

Leadership is also knowing when it will not work.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:06:44am

re: #267 I Would Prefer Not To

Leadership is being ahead of the curve. Leadership is not waiting until the time is perfect. Leadership is NOT being afraid to speak out, take the heat, etc.

It reminds me of 2006 when the house went democratic and yet Bush continued his corrupt practices. And then 2008 and a D president D senate D house.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:07:15am

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

We have to constantly fight for what this nation is supposed to stand for. Emma Lazarus must be spinning with those unfortunate refugees who are detained by DT and Co.

It would help to see some of that fight in our own leadership. Rather than the hypocritical comments of a woman who has not faced real difficulty in winning reelection in years opine that the face of the new generation of Democrats had the same odds of winning her seat as a glass of water.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:08:39am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Rep. Pelosi has been at the government game for a long time. She knows how to count votes in the House.

Did you get to vote for Democrats? I didn’t. Most of my ballot was blank in 2018. I voted for me, the state board of college regents (which flipped to the Democrats), and my school board (the Democrats flipped the school board in Dalton from Republican control here).

Her job is not to count the fucking votes. Her job is to make her case and earn the votes.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:09:42am

re: #273 Targetpractice

It would help to see some of that fight in our own leadership. Rather than the hypocritical comments of a woman who has not faced real difficulty in winning reelection in years opine that the face of the new generation of Democrats had the same odds of winning her seat as a glass of water.

Are you signed up for emails from leading Democrats? Following Pelosi, AOC, Warren , Harris, Leary? Maybe part of your perception is that you are looking in the wrong place?

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:10:31am

re: #274 I Would Prefer Not To

Her job is not to count the fucking votes. Her job is to make her case and earn the votes.

Which votes do you think Anymouse is talking about?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:13:23am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Rep. Pelosi has been at the government game for a long time. She knows how to count votes in the House.

Did you get to vote for Democrats? I didn’t. Most of my ballot was blank in 2018. I voted for me, the state board of college regents (which flipped to the Democrats), and my school board (the Democrats flipped the school board in Dalton from Republican control here).

One of the pleasures of a top two General Election ballot is going to the poll and seeing two Democrats and no Republicans on the November ballot for Senator, Congress and a lot of state and local offices. Although a Republican did get on the ballot for Governor…and got his ass kicked so hard he’s floating past the New Horizons Space Probe…’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:14:42am

re: #274 I Would Prefer Not To

Her job is not to count the fucking votes. Her job is to make her case and earn the votes.

“I’m not voting for Hillary Clinton because she didn’t earn my vote.”

Her job absolutely is to count votes.

All the investigations by House committees now can instantly be turned into “Impeachment enquiry” as soon as enough people in the electorate are behind impeachment.

The fact remains there is a significant portion of the electorate which is not convinced. A failed impeachment charge would be an unmitigated disaster.

Nixon was brought down by relentless coverage of the Watergate scandal, and a significant portion of the electorate above the crasification factor were still unconvinced.

I get it, we want Trump gone today. That isn’t happening; to build a case against the king you need to have an airtight case. And if you go for the king, you get one shot, and you’d better not miss.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:14:47am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Rep. Pelosi has been at the government game for a long time. She knows how to count votes in the House.

Did you get to vote for Democrats? I didn’t. Most of my ballot was blank in 2018. I voted for me, the state board of college regents (which flipped to the Democrats), and my school board (the Democrats flipped the school board in Dalton from Republican control here).

Yes, I voted for Democrats. You may remember that my state was hailed as a bellweather in Nov 2017 because we ran the table, winning the top three posts (Gov, Lt Gov, AG) and cutting the Repub majorities in our legislature down to the bone. Then followed that up last Nov by not only reelecting Tim Kaine, but also replacing several House seats with Dems. And just this year, we won a ruling before SCOTUS that prevents state Repubs from redrawing our maps to maintain their racist boundaries.

And before you ask, I live in a district that’s redder that the Nazi flag, yet we sent a Dem to D.C. this go around.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:16:04am

re: #275 Old Liberal

Are you signed up for emails from leading Democrats? Following Pelosi, AOC, Warren , Harris, Leary? Maybe part of your perception is that you are looking in the wrong place?

It’s never a good look when the best defense one can make is “Maybe you’re just not hearing it from the right people…”

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:18:10am

re: #280 Targetpractice

It’s never a good look when the best defense one can make is “Maybe you’re just not hearing it from the right people…”

You maintain they are doing nothing, saying nothing, being wimps. Because CNN isn’t picking it up doesn’t mean it’s true.

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sagehen  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:18:28am

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹

Social media has little to no impact in the rural areas of the USA where Internet service and cell phones are scarce.

Here it’s television (cable in the larger towns) with FOX or Sinclair-owned local stations, and the regional newspaper (leans heavily Republican), or Christian hate radio.

Repeat that across countless rural areas of the USA, and start counting electoral votes.

If some supposedly progressive billionaire (tom steyer) wanted to make a difference in rural America… he could finance an RV caravan full of well-trained activists to go town to town in the rural midwest, spreading their message in parks and parking lots. And of course, putting flyers in mailboxes and windshields and hanging door-tags on every house.

If it’s a big enough group, the local TV stations would have to take notice; maybe even give them a couple minutes of airtime to state their case.

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lizardofid  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:18:34am

Hello Lizard folk!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:19:25am

re: #279 Targetpractice

I was amazed to see that Virginia Beach went blue in the last election.

FiveThirtyEight usually lists my House district as the reddest in the nation (and voting bears that out).

I seriously considered running against Adrian Smith in the last Congressional election, even though I knew if I did I would be beaten into the pavement. I chose not to because I didn’t see how bankrupting myself would change anything here.

We did have a Democratic candidate for my district this time, but he took less than eight hundred votes.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:19:36am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

“I’m not voting for Hillary Clinton because she didn’t earn my vote.”

Her job absolutely is to count votes.

All the investigations by House committees now can instantly be turned into “Impeachment enquiry” as soon as enough people in the electorate are behind impeachment.

The fact remains there is a significant portion of the electorate which is not convinced. A failed impeachment charge would be an unmitigated disaster.

Nixon was brought down by relentless coverage of the Watergate scandal, and a significant portion of the electorate above the crasification factor were still unconvinced.

I get it, we want Trump gone today. That isn’t happening; to build a case against the king you need to have an airtight case. And if you go for the king, you get one shot, and you’d better not miss.

I’m confused, because one moment I get told that we can’t move forward unless we have a case so “airtight” that it will ensure his removal, but the next I’m told that McConnell will sabotage any effort no matter how strong and so it’s useless to impeach. It rather sounds like we’re being told that no matter hard we work, the whole thing is useless because the outcome is predetermined.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:22:49am

re: #281 Old Liberal

You maintain they are doing nothing, saying nothing, being wimps. Because CNN isn’t picking it up doesn’t mean it’s true.

I think I’ve watched CNN a sum total of 10 hours in the last six months. And those hours were spent watching the House Judiciary hearings that we’re to believe can substitute for impeachment.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:24:17am

The media picks up AOC because she is provocative and creates controversy. If Pelosi started doing that she would get coverage. I’m not sure whether being provocative just for the purpose of breaking through the media is the best strategy. Maybe it is, maybe not.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:25:15am

re: #286 Targetpractice

I think I’ve watched CNN a sum total of 10 hours in the last six months. And those hours were spent watching the House Judiciary hearings that we’re to believe can substitute for impeachment.

So on what do you base your opinion that the House is doing nothing worthwhile?

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:25:39am

re: #280 Targetpractice

It’s never a good look when the best defense one can make is “Maybe you’re just not hearing it from the right people…”

Which country are you living in? There’s a significant issue with the fact that the press will not focus on Democrats, will not call them in for Sunday shows, will not go to press, does not put the Speeches Democrats make on the news (ones that we see on video). And you’re twising Old Liberals statement. It’s not “you’re not hearing it from the right people” it’s “you’re not looking where they are putting out their statements.”

You’re doing exactly the same thing that people who keep saying “Why don’t Democracts create legislation every week so that people can see they are trying to run the government?” In this case, that’s exactly what the Democrats are doing, but, since the media doesn’t report on it, most people, including those complaining, don’t know it.

Remember the media waiting for Trump’s empty podium while Clinton was speacking? Think about how much the media reports on Trump’s tweets

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Skip Intro  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:26:28am

How just 15% can rule the country.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:26:51am

re: #276 Belafon

Which votes do you think Anymouse is talking about?

In the House

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sagehen  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:26:55am

re: #286 Targetpractice

I think I’ve watched CNN a sum total of 10 hours in the last six months. And those hours were spent watching the House Judiciary hearings that we’re to believe can substitute for impeachment.

Not a substitute; a prologue.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:28:17am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I’m confused, because one moment I get told that we can’t move forward unless we have a case so “airtight” that it will ensure his removal, but the next I’m told that McConnell will sabotage any effort no matter how strong and so it’s useless to impeach. It rather sounds like we’re being told that no matter hard we work, the whole thing is useless because the outcome is predetermined.

At this point it has to be strategy, because McConnell is going to rodent copulate any impeachment trial in the Senate.

What can be done is collect the evidence against Trump and those who protect him, and make that information available to the voters. That takes hearings, and those are going on now.

That said, as I noted above, virtually every religious denomination voted for Trump over Clinton. Conservatism is also a religion.

I think the best we can hope for is convincing enough Republicans that “both sides are equally bad” and they stay away from the polls.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:30:22am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

At this point it has to be strategy, because McConnell is going to rodent copulate any impeachment trial in the Senate.

What can be done is collect the evidence against Trump and those who protect him, and make that information available to the voters. That takes hearings, and those are going on now.

That said, as I noted above, virtually every religious denomination voted for Trump over Clinton. Conservatism is also a religion.

I think the best we can hope for is convincing enough Republicans that “both sides are equally bad” and they stay away from the polls.

Our best hope is making all the information public. Can’t happen without lots of public hearings.

I got to log off now.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:32:19am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I’m confused, because one moment I get told that we can’t move forward unless we have a case so “airtight” that it will ensure his removal, but the next I’m told that McConnell will sabotage any effort no matter how strong and so it’s useless to impeach. It rather sounds like we’re being told that no matter hard we work, the whole thing is useless because the outcome is predetermined.

You understand that impeachment in the House is a different matter than conviction in the Senate? Because we’re talking about votes to begin impeachment proceedings, not convict in the Senate. There aren’t a lot of people hopeful about conviction, so impeachment is an exercise on trying to nail Republicans to the wall when they refuse.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:33:12am

re: #294 I Would Prefer Not To

Our best hope is making all the information public. Can’t happen without lots of public hearings.

Absolutely right. If they don’t have this thing revved up by October I’ll be disappointed myself. Nobody does anything in the summer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:33:40am

re: #289 Belafon

Yesterday’s bills in the House:

congress.gov

One bill in that list: HR 3736

To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate in a general election for the office of President to file a certification that the candidate has undergone a medical examination conducted by a medical office under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Navy.

If the voters (most of them) don’t follow along what the Democrats in the House are doing and call to support various bills, they die.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:34:56am

re: #288 Old Liberal

So on what do you base your opinion that the House is doing nothing worthwhile?

Wasting weeks talking about getting the “whole report” made available to the whole of Congress, going so far as to threaten contempt charges, only to back down just before the vote to pursue “negotiations” with the DOJ that have not borne any useful fruit.

Scheduling a public hearing of the same committee with people who have no direct connection to the investigation and spending said hearing asking opinions.

Waiting months to finally subpoena the man who actually wrote said report, making a lot of noise about his testimony…only to delay an additional week so he can refine it.

Taking such a light hand to the serving and enforcement of Congressional contempt charges that the most prominent figure currently held in contempt laughed in the Speaker’s face about whether or not she’d “brought [her] handcuffs.”

Oh, and having the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee respond to New York’s efforts to make available Trump’s state tax returns…by declaring he would not even look at them.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:36:47am

How many years did they turn dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protesters before people had enough? And that was with a media covering it in depth. We’re dealing with some seriously hard fucked up people here. Gonna take time and personal pain.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:37:35am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

At this point it has to be strategy, because McConnell is going to rodent copulate any impeachment trial in the Senate.

What can be done is collect the evidence against Trump and those who protect him, and make that information available to the voters. That takes hearings, and those are going on now.

That said, as I noted above, virtually every religious denomination voted for Trump over Clinton. Conservatism is also a religion.

I think the best we can hope for is convincing enough Republicans that “both sides are equally bad” and they stay away from the polls.

I rather think that’s where things are being lost in translation, if not really indicative of how fucked things are in this country with regards to basic civics concepts. The perception that impeachment in the House is simply a vote that just suddenly gets called and happens, that there are no hearings involved and no efforts to make the case for said vote, is something we should we working to address right now. Rather than latching onto them as an argument for inaction.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:39:34am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:41:10am

re: #300 Targetpractice

I rather think that’s where things are being lost in translation, if not really indicative of how fucked things are in this country with regards to basic civics concepts. The perception that impeachment in the House is simply a vote that just suddenly gets called and happens, that there are no hearings involved and no efforts to make the case for said vote, is something we should we working to address right now. Rather than latching onto them as an argument for inaction.

There’s a reason conservatives worked so hard to weaken civics education in schools after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.

Or as Donald Trump put it: “I love the poorly educated.” So do other conservatives.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:41:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:43:06am

re: #301 MsJ

LOL in the thread:

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:43:20am

re: #300 Targetpractice

I rather think that’s where things are being lost in translation, if not really indicative of how fucked things are in this country with regards to basic civics concepts. The perception that impeachment in the House is simply a vote that just suddenly gets called and happens, that there are no hearings involved and no efforts to make the case for said vote, is something we should we working to address right now. Rather than latching onto them as an argument for inaction.

To start impeachment, the House has to pass a bill authorizing the Justice Committee to proceed. This is the first hurdle, and of course has to pass before the first witness is called. I don’t think it’s a done deal that this would pass.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:44:07am

re: #298 Targetpractice

Wasting weeks talking about getting the “whole report” made available to the whole of Congress, going so far as to threaten contempt charges, only to back down just before the vote to pursue “negotiations” with the DOJ that have not borne any useful fruit.

Scheduling a public hearing of the same committee with people who have no direct connection to the investigation and spending said hearing asking opinions.

Waiting months to finally subpoena the man who actually wrote said report, making a lot of noise about his testimony…only to delay an additional week so he can refine it.

Taking such a light hand to the serving and enforcement of Congressional contempt charges that the most prominent figure currently held in contempt laughed in the Speaker’s face about whether or not she’d “brought [her] handcuffs.”

Oh, and having the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee respond to New York’s efforts to make available Trump’s state tax returns…by declaring he would not even look at them.

Example 1 they could sue and still be in court. So maybe they wasted two months of a 6 month or more court process.
Example 3. I have seen no definitive statement of what they can do. Can they arrest people? If yes, I agree with you but I’m not sure what literal power they have. And no, saying you have power and trying to forcibly arrest the AG isn’t a good idea.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:44:25am

re: #299 Old Liberal

How many years did they turn dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protesters before people had enough? And that was with a media covering it in depth. We’re dealing with some seriously hard fucked up people here. Gonna take time and personal pain.

I really don’t think you’ve a grasp on how little time there is on the clock. Or how every time we end up going to the courts to get this administration to comply with things as simple as a subpoena, it cuts time off that clock to the administration’s advantage. Hell, I still maintain my belief that the Dem leadership’s doing the same because once the Dem primaries begin in earnest, they can write off impeachment as a “distraction” from the election.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:44:41am

re: #303 MsJ

Did it again. Saw Matthew Gertz and read Matthew Gaetz!!

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garzooma  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:46:04am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

Her job absolutely is to count votes.

I’m fairly critical of how Democrats are handling the attack on democracy, but I agree with this. It’s less Pelosi than everyone else I’m bothered by. A few things I’d like to see:
1.) Comments on how the 2016 election wasn’t fair. One side benefited from a massive attack on our country. Whether or not it threw the election, it made it unfair, and we should have fair elections.
2.) Regarding the lack of media coverage, this is less important in a world with Twitter.
3.) If you really need media coverage, the recent debates got quite a bit of this. Did anyone “make [the] case and earn the votes” in that forum?

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:46:43am

re: #298 Targetpractice

Wasting weeks talking about getting the “whole report” made available to the whole of Congress, going so far as to threaten contempt charges, only to back down just before the vote to pursue “negotiations” with the DOJ that have not borne any useful fruit.

Scheduling a public hearing of the same committee with people who have no direct connection to the investigation and spending said hearing asking opinions.

Waiting months to finally subpoena the man who actually wrote said report, making a lot of noise about his testimony…only to delay an additional week so he can refine it.

Taking such a light hand to the serving and enforcement of Congressional contempt charges that the most prominent figure currently held in contempt laughed in the Speaker’s face about whether or not she’d “brought [her] handcuffs.”

Oh, and having the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee respond to New York’s efforts to make available Trump’s state tax returns…by declaring he would not even look at them.

Point 2 given the refusal of everyone to answer any questions I’m not sure this was a waste of time. Maybe. Don’t know their strategy.
Point 4. I’m not familiar with that, sounds shitty. I’ll check it out.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:48:26am

re: #235 Old Liberal

Question. We have witnessed that our government laws are ineffective whenever those in power choose to ignore them. That checks and balances do not work. So how does this country deal with this going forward since passing new laws is meaningless since we now see that they won’t be followed when power is distributed in a manner that allows disregard for law?

Unfortunately, It’s probably going to take violence. Les Mis “Do You Hear The People Sing”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:49:26am

One possible sign of hope(weak as it may be): A Trumpster FB FOAF made the following comment concerning the questioning of Jerome Powell by the House: he thought AOC asked “pretty good questions”. So there are a few who might be capable of thinking.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:52:07am

re: #305 ericblair

To start impeachment, the House has to pass a bill authorizing the Justice Committee to proceed. This is the first hurdle, and of course has to pass before the first witness is called. I don’t think it’s a done deal that this would pass.

And thus we get into the perception that the party are scared of their own shadows, that so many put their own reelections above holding Trump accountable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:52:26am

re: #309 garzooma

I’m fairly critical of how Democrats are handling the attack on democracy, but I agree with this. It’s less Pelosi than everyone else I’m bothered by. A few things I’d like to see:
1.) Comments on how the 2016 election wasn’t fair. One side benefited from a massive attack on our country. Whether or not it threw the election, it made it unfair, and we should have fair elections.
2.) Regarding the lack of media coverage, this is less important in a world with Twitter.
3.) If you really need media coverage, the recent debates got quite a bit of this. Did anyone “make [the] case and earn the votes” in that forum?

On number Two: Most of the USA is not on Twitter.
statista.com
That doesn’t count the number of robots or trolls, just the total monthly count in millions of posts on Twitter in the USA.

On number Three: The debates got no coverage here, including the regional newspaper, other than to say “there were debates.” This sort of coverage is repeated over and over again in rural areas across the nation.

Democrats have to come to rural areas to campaign to get attention. They will not be covered because they had a debate. This state is very close to a swing state now, and all we got was Pete Buttigieg in Omaha saying what a nice guy Mike Pence is.

That’s really going to motivate liberal voters in my state.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:54:17am

re: #310 Old Liberal

Point 4. I’m not familiar with that, sounds shitty. I’ll check it out.

Regarding inherent contempt: I’m not sure what the issue really is, but I have my theories. The last time Congress has used this vehicle was 1935. Nobody in living memory has seen one of these. So, honest questions: who delivers these? The Capitol Police? The US Marshalls, who report to the DOJ? And when the recipient, or more likely a government guard or other official, gets this funny piece of paper and says get lost, what is going to happen? Is there an enforcement mechanism coded into law to take them into custody wherever they are?

I don’t think these are insoluble problems, but if it requires new funding or new litigation, it’s never going to get past the Senate.

And if you’re asking me whether our federal system is broken and not fit for purpose, the answer is hell yes.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:54:25am

re: #307 Targetpractice

I really don’t think you’ve a grasp on how little time there is on the clock. Or how every time we end up going to the courts to get this administration to comply with things as simple as a subpoena, it cuts time off that clock to the administration’s advantage. Hell, I still maintain my belief that the Dem leadership’s doing the same because once the Dem primaries begin in earnest, they can write off impeachment as a “distraction” from the election.

Perhaps you are right. This is the fourth horror show I’ve been through. Each worse than the one before. Like I said, if they aren’t revved in October I’ll agree there is a problem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:57:37am

Lol

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:58:42am

re: #317 Anymouse 🌹

I wish they would. DT needs to shut up.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 9:58:45am

re: #314 Anymouse 🌹

On number Two: Most of the USA is not on Twitter.
statista.com
That doesn’t count the number of robots or trolls, just the total monthly count in millions of posts on Twitter in the USA.

On number Three: The debates got no coverage here, including the regional newspaper, other than to say “there were debates.” This sort of coverage is repeated over and over again in rural areas across the nation.

Democrats have to come to rural areas to campaign to get attention. They will not be covered because they had a debate. This state is very close to a swing state now, and all we got was Pete Buttigieg in Omaha saying what a nice guy Mike Pence is.

That’s really going to motivate liberal voters in my state.

Refresh my memory are there head to head polls (eg Warren vs drumpf) that show a toss up?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:00:21am

re: #315 ericblair

Regarding inherent contempt: I’m not sure what the issue really is, but I have my theories. The last time Congress has used this vehicle was 1935. Nobody in living memory has seen one of these. So, honest questions: who delivers these? The Capitol Police? The US Marshalls, who report to the DOJ? And when the recipient, or more likely a government guard or other official, gets this funny piece of paper and says get lost, what is going to happen? Is there an enforcement mechanism coded into law to take them into custody wherever they are?

I don’t think these are insoluble problems, but if it requires new funding or new litigation, it’s never going to get past the Senate.

And if you’re asking me whether our federal system is broken and not fit for purpose, the answer is hell yes.

It looks like we’re in a place where the Executive Branch has more power than the other two branches can deal with (or want to deal with). If enforcement relies heavily on the DOJ and the AG is complicit with the violations than we seem to be in the place where the President can say to Congress (or the courts) “and what do you plan to do about it?”

And this behavior is not helped by half of the Legislative Branch and a good chunk of the Judicial Branch being quite willing to play along. At some point Roberts might well decide that his conservative principles outweigh any thought regarding ethics, legacy, or the rule of law. And then we descend further into hell.*

* - Being a very arbitrary place where the poor and minorities get it first. And then the never-ending spiral of new “enemies” being declared and robbed, exploited, etc. since authoritarians never see any reason to stop.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:00:56am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:01:59am

re: #319 Old Liberal

Refresh my memory are there head to head polls (eg Warren vs drumpf) that show a toss up?

I don’t know the answer to that. I do know that polling this far out is a horserace narrative the media needs to make money.

I do know that the R party has the crasification factor of 27% who would vote for them if they ran on a platform plank of “we’re going to kill every one of your first-born children.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:04:50am

re: #321 MsJ

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:05:39am

re: #316 Old Liberal

Perhaps you are right. This is the fourth horror show I’ve been through. Each worse than the one before. Like I said, if they aren’t revved in October I’ll agree there is a problem.

The problem (IMHO) is that generations of Americans have spent the years since Watergate having it beaten into their heads that the only answer to a misbehaving executive is elections. Between the shitshow that was Iran-Contra and the endless years of Whitewater culminating in the circus of “Monicagate,” the Repubs have succeeded in ripping the teeth from Congress’ one real method of holding a criminal president to account. The end result is endless “investigations” in Congress that result in meaningless reports that get much fanfare but go nowhere because the votes just aren’t there. If the only hope we have is that Trump is defeated next November, then we really have to wonder if the party can survive if he wins.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:06:49am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

It looks like we’re in a place where the Executive Branch has more power than the other two branches can deal with (or want to deal with). If enforcement relies heavily on the DOJ and the AG is complicit with the violations than we seem to be in the place where the President can say to Congress (or the courts) “and what do you plan to do about it?”

And this behavior is not helped by half of the Legislative Branch and a good chunk of the Judicial Branch being quite willing to play along. At some point Roberts might well decide that his conservative principles outweigh any thought regarding ethics, legacy, or the rule of law. And then we descend further into hell.*

The fundamental problem is that over the years Congress ceded all this power to the executive for various reasons and, with one house of Congress, the Democrats don’t have enough power to get it back. The Supreme Court has the power that it currently has because all critical litigation gets passed on a knife edge vote: otherwise, if the Court complained about something Congress could change the law the next day.

A President with 41 compliant Senators and 5 Supreme Court justices can turn this country into a dictatorship. We’re well overdue for a Second Republic, because this one is not working anymore.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:08:17am

re: #325 ericblair

Arguably a 3rd Republic since you could argue this is the 2nd one with the 1st being under the Articles of Confederation.

(And The South being on their 3rd already since they had that Confederation thing and then Reconstruction.)

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:14:17am
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:14:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:14:35am

re: #326 Feline Fearless Leader

Arguably a 3rd Republic since you could argue this is the 2nd one with the 1st being under the Articles of Confederation.

In a sense, you could argue we’ve had several republics since adoption of the Constitution, just not in the way where people go in the streets and drag out the politicians to the guillotines (admittedly that’s more dramatic).

Instead, it’s referenced in political science as “party systems” (as in the First Party System with the Federalists, &c.)

Political scientists make the case we are in the Sixth Party System now, although the dates are unclear from those academics.

According to the 2017 edition of The Logic of American Politics, “a sixth party system is now in place.” Although the precise starting date is a matter of debate, “the most salient difference between the current and New Deal party systems is the Republican Party’s increased strength, exemplified by 20 majorities in the house and senate in six straight elections (1994-2004), unprecedented since the fourth party system, [its] retaking of the House and 2010 and the Senate in 2014…and its sweeping national victory in 2016.”

en.wikipedia.org

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:16:33am

re: #324 Targetpractice

The problem (IMHO) is that generations of Americans have spent the years since Watergate having it beaten into their heads that the only answer to a misbehaving executive is elections. Between the shitshow that was Iran-Contra and the endless years of Whitewater culminating in the circus of “Monicagate,” the Repubs have succeeded in ripping the teeth from Congress’ one real method of holding a criminal president to account. The end result is endless “investigations” in Congress that result in meaningless reports that get much fanfare but go nowhere because the votes just aren’t there. If the only hope we have is that Trump is defeated next November, then we really have to wonder if the party can survive if he wins.

I’ve been saying for twenty years that collapse is coming and its 50/50 whether this country goes racist-fascist or socialist. Sounds like 20 years is a long time but it’s basically Bush II and Obama plus. I thought we hit it in 2007-8 but they pulled it out by the bailout. Next one coming soon IMHO. So maybe we get a New Deal or a new Hitler.

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Charmingly Persistent  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:18:45am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

It looks like we’re in a place where the Executive Branch has more power than the other two branches can deal with (or want to deal with). If enforcement relies heavily on the DOJ and the AG is complicit with the violations than we seem to be in the place where the President can say to Congress (or the courts) “and what do you plan to do about it?”

When I was in law school, I noticed in almost every class that legislation was passed right after Nixon’s administration to deal with all the stuff he did. It was like scar tissue through the statutes and regulations and court holding of the time. He had done so much bad shit that people hadn’t thought to make illegal before - the president can’t pull up enemies’ tax returns, e.g.

If somehow we get through this, a whole bunch of new laws and regulations and court holdings will again be necessary. Emoluments. Congressional subpoenas. Releasing tax returns. Nominating people so the Senate can do it’s job advising and consenting. Putting people in concentration camps. Stealing people’s children. Election fraud.

Some of these things were just custom (we only thought they were required). Some are in the constitution but there’s no enforcement mechanism. Some are illegal, but not enforceable once the justice department has been coopted. Major, comprehensive changes have to be made if we are going to save our democracy. I’m really afraid that they won’t and we won’t.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:20:59am

re: #331 Charmingly Persistent

When I was in law school, I noticed in almost every class that legislation was passed right after Nixon’s administration to deal with all the stuff he did. It was like scar tissue through the statutes and regulations and court holding of the time. He had done so much bad shit that people hadn’t thought to make illegal before - the president can’t pull up enemies’ tax returns, e.g.

If somehow we get through this, a whole bunch of new laws and regulations and court holdings will again be necessary. Emoluments. Congressional subpoenas. Releasing tax returns. Nominating people so the Senate can do it’s job advising and consenting. Putting people in concentration camps. Stealing people’s children. Election fraud.

Some of these things were just custom (we only thought they were required). Some are in the constitution but there’s no enforcement mechanism. Some are illegal, but not enforceable once the justice department has been coopted. Major, comprehensive changes have to be made if we are going to save our democracy. I’m really afraid that they won’t and we won’t.

Great perspective. Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:21:12am

I just got caught up on Trump’s “go back where they came from” comments, and he has really bared the ugly racism and xenophobia that lurks behind his furrowed brow.

That should be enough to totally ruin anybody but Trump because he has ushered in the New Media Reality, and pundits all over America are spinning hard to rationalize and relativize his utterances.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:23:38am

Anyone heard about ICE raids today?

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Charmingly Persistent  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:24:15am

re: #332 Old Liberal

This is an awesome discussion all around, even if only us seven chickens will ever see it. :-)

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:24:30am

re: #324 Targetpractice

The problem (IMHO) is that generations of Americans have spent the years since Watergate having it beaten into their heads that the only answer to a misbehaving executive is elections. Between the shitshow that was Iran-Contra and the endless years of Whitewater culminating in the circus of “Monicagate,” the Repubs have succeeded in ripping the teeth from Congress’ one real method of holding a criminal president to account. The end result is endless “investigations” in Congress that result in meaningless reports that get much fanfare but go nowhere because the votes just aren’t there. If the only hope we have is that Trump is defeated next November, then we really have to wonder if the party can survive if he wins.

The problem, as I see it, is that the GOP realized that Nixon only failed because Republicans didn’t control the media. This is partially tied to the fact that Jim Crow lasted for so long because conservatives controlled the press, but ended because they failed to take into account television.

Considering how infrequently impeachment was used, even in cases where it should have been (Teapot Dome, Wilson’s executive orders banning minorities, Jackson’s disregard of the Supreme Court), it has only been a tool when the opposition has enough power to wield it. And what I mean by wielding it is that it would lead to conviction and removal. And we are most definitely not in that era.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:25:24am

re: #334 Old Liberal

Here is something from the local PBS station WHYY:
whyy.org

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:28:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:31:06am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just got caught up on Trump’s “go back where they came from” comments, and he has really bared the ugly racism and xenophobia that lurks behind his furrowed brow.

That should be enough to totally ruin anybody but Trump because he has ushered in the New Media Reality, and pundits all over America are spinning hard to rationalize and relativize his utterances.

Not just his furrowed brow, but the furrowed brow of Movement Conservative all the way back to the founding of the Republic.

As far as promoting religion in politics, the Republican Party has been courting religious piety all the way back to the Third Party System (1850 start) to promote its agenda.

The idea that the Republicans became “God’s Own Party” under Reagan is false. All they did under Reagan was to weaponise it and claim if you aren’t with us, you’re against God.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:32:22am

re: #338 Belafon

Perhaps a unintentional “good move” by Trump to tighten his hold on Pence’s loyalty since there is now direct footage of Pence seeing the abuses and apparently not caring one bit. Pence can’t claim in the future about not being aware.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:33:05am

re: #308 Hecuba’s daughter

Did it again. Saw Matthew Gertz and read Matthew Gaetz!!

He’s used to that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:33:38am

re: #338 Belafon

Great, George! Make amends for building the GOP to where it is today and renounce your party.

Oh wait, you can’t do that because your wife is in the maladministation. All you’re doing is kayfabe as a so-called “never Trumper.” You’re just upset he’s not using the approved conservative dog whistles.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:34:06am

re: #339 Anymouse 🌹

The conservatives have always claimed that God has their back. And the various churches such as the Baptists have essentially split over it repeatedly.

Then again just about all politicians have claimed they are trying to implement God’s will.

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ericblair  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:34:50am

re: #340 Feline Fearless Leader

Perhaps a unintentional “good move” by Trump to tighten his hold on Pence’s loyalty since there is now direct footage of Pence seeing the abuses and apparently not caring one bit. Pence can’t claim in the future about not being aware.

Mob dynamics. You have to be dirty, otherwise you’re a threat. When you’re dirty, they have a hold over you to keep you in the system. The easiest way to understand Trump, Netanyahu, Erdogan, Putin, and all the other modern autocrats is as an international crime syndicate.

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:35:09am

re: #337 PhillyPretzel

Here is something from the local PBS station WHYY:
whyy.org

I always assumed that ICE did this every day. Apparently they’ve been sitting around playing cribbage waiting for Night of the Long Knives to be called?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:36:00am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:36:14am

re: #345 Old Liberal

I always assumed that ICE did this every day. Apparently they’ve been sitting around playing cribbage waiting for Night of the Long Knives to be called?

Not sure about cribbage since you need to be able to count and do combination stuff in order to play it. Maybe playing cribbage poorly?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:39:36am
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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:41:40am

re: #347 Feline Fearless Leader

Not sure about cribbage since you need to be able to count and do combination stuff in order to play it. Maybe playing cribbage poorly?

Old Maid or Go Fish

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:41:43am

re: #336 Belafon

The problem, as I see it, is that the GOP realized that Nixon only failed because Republicans didn’t control the media. This is partially tied to the fact that Jim Crow lasted for so long because conservatives controlled the press, but ended because they failed to take into account television.

Considering how infrequently impeachment was used, even in cases where it should have been (Teapot Dome, Wilson’s executive orders banning minorities, Jackson’s disregard of the Supreme Court), it has only been a tool when the opposition has enough power to wield it. And we are most definitely not in that area.

There was also the murder of Emmet Till, of which the photographs of his open casket and his mutilated body ended white America’s claim that blacks were exaggerating what conservatives were doing to them in Dixie.

Those photographs were similar to the films Gen. Eisenhower made in the Nazi concentration camps after WW2. They showed the good Germans Americans they were living a lie, and the Civil Rights Act was passed only a few years later.

Ronald Reagan called back to the racist South in his campaign announcement in Philadelphia, Mississippi. That single announcement alone convinced me the Republican Party was the party of racists, prompting my first-ever vote on behalf of Jimmy Carter (despite officers on my ship inspecting ballots to ensure you voted the right way or face poor performance marks, and boy I got them after I cast my federal absentee ballot - those marks dogged my military career for years).

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:43:55am
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:45:45am
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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:46:11am

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

Good examples. Now think about what happened when Sandy Hook parents tried to do something similar.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:46:15am

re: #322 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know the answer to that. I do know that polling this far out is a horserace narrative the media needs to make money.

I do know that the R party has the crasification factor of 27% who would vote for them if they ran on a platform plank of “we’re going to kill every one of your first-born children.”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:46:59am

re: #349 Old Liberal

Old Maid or Go Fish

Or a variant called “Go Raid”?

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Old Liberal  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:52:48am

re: #353 Belafon

Good examples. Now think about what happened when Sandy Hook parents tried to do something similar.

I’ve always contended that shooting photos need to be public.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:52:53am

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not sure the GOP would want a rooster - isn’t that also a Gallic thing?

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:53:52am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time. The Lutherans are gathering at the church across the street from my house.

I had someone in town tell me a few days ago I needed to sell my house and move, because two atheists living next door to them (when the previous owners were lifetime members of the church) is an insult to their faith.

I know I don’t live in your small town, but I would have told him that this is America and we don’t discriminate on the basis of any faith or none. Which would have been better than what I would have preferred to say, which is FUCK OFF.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:54:06am

Referring to the photograph in McAllen, Tex. of the Vice- President and Sen. Lindsey Graham looking at detained people in inhumane conditions:

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:54:20am

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Someone missed the historical joke—that rooster symbol is an original mascot of the (mostly Southern) Democratic party. The donkey came later.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:55:36am

re: #360 Decatur Deb

Here: duckduckgo.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:56:03am

Man, every time I log on these days I find Trump has said even stupider shit than he had the last time I checked in.

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SteelPH  Jul 14, 2019 • 10:57:03am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, every time I log on these days I find Trump has said even stupider shit than he had the last time I checked in.

A never-ending torrent of awful.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:00:27am

re: #363 SteelPH

Is this the first time a sitting President has openly attacked sitting congresspeople like that?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:00:35am

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is a good alternative for the GOP - they can get all the Roy Moore supporters back in the fold this way.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:01:29am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, every time I log on these days I find Trump has said even stupider shit than he had the last time I checked in.

Thank our lucky stars. Think if he was sane and hardworking, quietly wrecking the country through tireless organized leadership.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:01:56am

Oh and I get a nice note from @jack ‘s bots that somebody doesn’t like that Chicken Tweet.

If they don’t like it they can INTERCOURSE off!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:05:04am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this the first time a sitting President has openly attacked sitting congresspeople like that?

Probably not. From historical reading there was a lot you could say back in the 19th century regarding politicians, especially of the opposition party.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:06:47am

Warren nails it again:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:08:10am

re: #358 mmmirele

I know I don’t live in your small town, but I would have told him that this is America and we don’t discriminate on the basis of any faith or none. Which would have been better than what I would have preferred to say, which is FUCK OFF.

I suppose that would work in a large city.

In a low-population community where everyone in several counties knows me, “we don’t discriminate on the basis of faith” would be viewed as an attack on Christians. I would find myself unable to conduct basic business in grocery stores, banks, &c.

This is the face of Christianity with atheists asserting their religious rights: A Rhode Island state representative calling Jessica Ahlquist on the floor of the House an “evil little thing” for daring to assert that religious banners should not be displayed at her high school graduation (Rhode Island is considered “liberal”), an Oklahoma girl hounded out of her school and into homeschooling because administration and everyone in town attacked her for not praying before the start of a basketball game in a public school, &c.

Christians will not admit the bigotry they commit in their name until we have our own Emmet Till lying in a casket mutilated in the name of Christianity, so the good Germans Christians can see the result of their bigotry.

As I said above, there is a reason I shy from someone who declares their faith in the same way women shy from unfamiliar men. There is a reason I was transferred in an emergency order to Massachusetts from Virginia Beach.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:09:27am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this the first time a sitting President has openly attacked sitting congresspeople like that?

No. FDR tried a purge in 1938 and it backfired.

Truman continually attacked McCarthy and Ike turned on that alcoholic asshole too.

Nixon continually attacked John Conyers

Robert Bauman was a right winger from Maryland who trashed Carter and Tip O’Neill. Then Tip just let it slip that Big Xtian Bauman loved cruising in gay leather bars.

Old Man Bush had run ins with Robert Dornan.

Clinton had a falling out with Ben Nighthorse Campbell and Richard Shelby when they both jumped to the GOP.

We can go on and on…

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:09:43am

re: #370 Anymouse 🌹

It’s time you started pitting the Lutherans against the Baptists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:10:46am

re: #339 Anymouse 🌹

The idea that the Republicans became “God’s Own Party” under Reagan is false. All they did under Reagan was to weaponise it and claim if you aren’t with us, you’re against God.

Ronnie was quick to turn his back on them and listen to what Nancy’s White House astrologer had planned for them.

That was when they really got active and started insinuating their people into all levels of government, public administration, education, the military, etc.

With Mike Pence they have one of their own a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:10:58am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

This is a good alternative for the GOP - they can get all the Roy Moore supporters back in the fold this way.

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This is absolutely NO SURPRISE to me, given that the right-wing denominations and religious organization, every single one of them, have serious, serious problems with child sexual abuse and the coverup of same. It’s been 17.5 years since the Boston Globe published its first Spotlight report and how many days a week do we wake up to news that Yet Another Diocese has been caught covering up pedophile priests?

Now the Houston Chronicle is doing the same for the Southern Baptists, who, unlike the Catholic church, revel in their separateness and have been dead-set against any sort of tracking of child sexual predators. So the Chronicle did it for them. But both of these organizations, and the Independent Fundamental Baptists (which the Fort Worth Star-Telegram covered last year) all have one thing in common—their one common point of agreement is that abortion is heinous and needs to be outlawed, and they’re single-issue voters. That’s why they’re in the Republican camp. But once the babies are born, fuck ‘em, they’re on their own. They don’t care if children starve or get sexually abused.

Seriously, you have no idea how angry this makes me.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:11:25am

re: #370 Anymouse 🌹

And I can imagine the backlash and search for scapegoats and victims if they ever start losing their special tax protections and other benefits that make churches different from any other sort of non-profit organization.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:11:35am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ronnie was quick to turn his back on them and listen to what Nancy’s White House astrologer had planned for them.

That was when they really got active and started insinuating their people into all levels of government, public administration, education, the military, etc.

With Mike Pence they have one of their own a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Yes it goes back to Goldwater in 1964 when the Xtians began their takeover of the GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:11:40am

re: #372 Belafon

It’s time you started pitting the Lutherans against the Baptists.

Broccoli casserole against carrot jello salad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:12:04am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

This is a good alternative for the GOP - they can get all the Roy Moore supporters back in the fold this way.

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white male heterosexual pedophiles only…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:12:33am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

Broccoli casserole against carrot jello salad.

Add in the Mormons and you bring funeral potatoes to the food fight!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:13:11am

Meanwhile, in Florida (of course!):

A Crawfordville couple preparing for Armageddon faces multiple serious charges after two women, who worked on their farm, escaped and told investigators they were prevented from leaving and were physically and sexually abused for years.

Wakulla County Sheriff’s office detectives raided their residence at 251 Lonnie Raker Lane Friday and arrested Mirko Ceska, 58, and Regina Ceska, 55.

The investigation began on July 1 when the two escaped from the farm and alerted investigators.

“The females described Mr. and Mrs. Ceska as doomsday preppers who had getaway properties located throughout the United States and food rations and weapons stored in the event of a major calamity,” a Wakulla County Sheriff’s Office update on Facebook says. “The females stated they had been trained to raise pigs, raise sheep, grow various fruits and vegetables, sheer sheep, utilize a loom, and sew.”

According to Wakulla County Court records, they both flied for domestic violence protection orders against Regina Ceska on Thursday and the Sheriff’s Office and Refuge House were contacted.

tallahassee.com

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:13:21am

re: #379 Joe Bacon 🌹

Add in the Mormons and you bring funeral potatoes to the food fight!

They would unite against pineapple on pizza though!

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:15:11am

re: #381 Feline Fearless Leader

They would unite against pineapple on pizza though!

There are no allies in that war.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:15:33am

re: #379 Joe Bacon 🌹

Add in the Mormons and you bring funeral potatoes to the food fight!

Kate Campbell - Funeral Food

“We sure eat good when someone dies..”

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:16:07am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Florida (of course!):

tallahassee.com

I want to know who Lonnie Raker is. That’s my first name.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:16:23am

re: #374 mmmirele

Glad to hear the Houston Chronicle is looking into the Southern Baptists on that.

Because the Baptists sure as hell ain’t gonna do it on their own. They’ll just sweep it all under the rug.

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:20:11am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Florida (of course!):

tallahassee.com

Apparently these women are approximately 23 years old and have been in this family’s custody for the last 10 years.

The victims, who were under the “custodial responsibility” of the Ceskas, recounted to deputies how they began working each day at 5:30 a.m. Their ages were not clear and were not specified in the Facebook post.

In a 2009 Associated Press article about the over-medication of children in the foster care system, the Ceskas said they had adopted 12-year-old twin girls a year earlier.

*snip*

Both females also described times that Mirko Ceska would force sex acts upon them, “some with the support of Regina Ceska,” according to deputies.

*snip*

Mirko Ceska was charged sexual battery, sexual assault, abuse, and neglect. Regina Ceska was arrested and charged with two counts of neglect and two counts of failure to report abuse. State records show she is a licensed practical nurse at Consulate Health Care in Tallahassee with no history of complaints.

tallahassee.com

These two are fucking SICKOS.

I suspect we may learn that these two asshats were withholding the kind of documents the young women might need to make their way in the world—like their birth certificates, adoption papers and Social Security cards. Because there are asshat parents who think their children, even as adults, are their personal property and try to keep them tied to the family by refusing to give over these documents. That’s on top of the obvious sexual abuse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:23:07am

re: #372 Belafon

It’s time you started pitting the Lutherans against the Baptists.

We have no Baptists here. We do have a couple Quakers (no meeting hall), and a Greek Orthodox and a Roman Catholic churches in the county seat. In the next town east, there is a Catholic Church.

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Florida (of course!):

tallahassee.com

Meanwhile in Christianity. Prepping for Armageddon is specifically Christian.

I eagerly await all the mainline Protestant denominations to call this out as antithetical to their beliefs.

You know what they never do? That.

While individual Christians call out Evangelicals, their church denominations never do.

Bush (Senr): No, I don’t know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

And that right there is why they don’t. Christian churches cannot alienate their base.

reformation.com (long list of years of articles of Protestant paedophiles prosecuted for their crimes, as reported in local news reports. Catholics just get better press because they are a single organisation: It is much tougher to catalogue the vast and larger crimes of paedophilic criminal Protestants.)

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:24:20am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:24:20am
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William Lewis  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:27:05am

re: #334 Old Liberal

Anyone heard about ICE raids today?

My guess is paused for a day or three till the press dies down and their Gestapo tactics aren’t being exposed.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:27:26am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:28:22am
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William Lewis  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:30:19am

re: #340 Feline Fearless Leader

Perhaps a unintentional “good move” by Trump to tighten his hold on Pence’s loyalty since there is now direct footage of Pence seeing the abuses and apparently not caring one bit. Pence can’t claim in the future about not being aware.

I’d love a chance to ask if he enjoyed his visit to Dachau ab den Rio Grande.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:32:05am

YouTube keeps deleting this video, because it supports the atheist girl who did not care to pray before basketball games. Atheists keep mirroring it on different channels before YouTube pulls it down again and again. It was originally posted by ABC.

At best, we are invisible to Christians. Others would kill us or strip us of our citizenship.

No Christian denomination, none, has condemned such mistreatment in the name in their religion.
(video, 9:29, dare you to watch it)

The Price of Atheism in Hardesty Ok. Nicole (mirror)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:32:29am

There are slight ups and downs in Trump’s approval ratings over time, but he remains consistently about ten points underwater, and as his racist rant on twitter today showed, he seems incapable of behaving in a manner the majority of Americans do not find repugnant.

396
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:33:14am

‘twas not that long ago that being openly atheist would get you fired from public service…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:34:25am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:35:16am

re: #388 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

Deep in that timeline is a video of a bright immigrant-rights worker successfully telling ICE to stuff their inadequate arrest warrant.

The more you know…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:35:16am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:35:29am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

‘twas not that long ago that being openly atheist would get you fired from public service…

It got me fired from my village trustee seat in the last election. Christians would rather have a neo-Nazi who is a Christian.

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Jay C  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:36:44am

re: #390 William Lewis

My guess is paused for a day or three till the press dies down and their Gestapo tactics aren’t being exposed.

Or, maybe, the “surprise” raids not getting the positive press they were expected to (y’know, perhaps the extensive publicity having something to do with that), they’ll just put off the Big Roundup til they can exploit it the way they want.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:38:57am

re: #397 Charles Johnson

No, it isn’t getting more obvious.

It’s ALWAYS BEEN OBVIOUS.

It’s just grown harder to spin their way out of

but they will

because we live in the New Media Reality

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:39:34am

re: #397 Charles Johnson

The media still can’t use the word “racist” in the same manner they still can’t use the word “liar.” They gotta have that horse race.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:40:30am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:41:37am

Oh look at this poor, poor persecuted li’l victim. Are you all crying? (I’m not crying)

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:42:23am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look at this poor, poor persecuted li’l victim. Are you all crying? (I’m not crying)

[Embedded content]

Joy Villa is a horrible person, not just because she’s a Trump brownnoser, but because she’s a prominent Scientologist.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:44:31am

re: #406 mmmirele

Joy Villa is a horrible person, not just because she’s a Trump brownnoser, but because she’s a prominent Scientologist.

She was at Trump’s summit of deplorables, wearing a MAGA skirt or something.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:47:01am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look at this poor, poor persecuted li’l victim. Are you all crying? (I’m not crying)

[Embedded content]

Wow. I would have told her to get the fuck out of my face.

409
Dr Lizardo  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:47:43am

Up early for work tomorrow - it’s Monday!

Have fun, Lizards.

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:48:42am
411
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:48:43am

ICE has begun raids to round up undocumented immigrants, official says

Immigration authorities have begun conducting raids, a senior administration official said Sunday, in an operation expected to target about 2,000 undocumented immigrants ordered by courts to be removed from the country.

The raids, which will focus on recent arrivals to the country, are slated for Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York and San Francisco, a senior immigration official said.

Not much on actual raids though.

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mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:49:02am

re: #407 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She was at Trump’s summit of deplorables, wearing a MAGA skirt or something.

Not the first time she’s done that. In 2017, she wore a MAGA dress to the Grammys. In 2018 she wore a “Choose Life” dress with a fetus painted on it.

This year she wore a Build The Wall dress:

But Joy Villa is an awful person because she supports David Miscavige.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:53:42am

re: #399 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:55:11am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look at this poor, poor persecuted li’l victim. Are you all crying? (I’m not crying)

Blizzard warning from all the conservatives in that thread.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:57:00am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

Oh look at this poor, poor persecuted li’l victim. Are you all crying? (I’m not crying)

[Embedded content]

No but I will laugh my ass off when someone tosses a milkshake at her!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:57:55am

re: #410 MsJ

Bill Kristol, you helped build this. You are only concerned that Trump isn’t using the approved conservative racist dogwhistles.

You will not repudiate your positions or your part in creating Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:59:04am

Too bad there wasn’t enough room for Roy Cohn.

Trump is the baboon turd the pillagers and racists keep flinging at the civilized world.

418
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 11:59:09am

Cool! I’m at Cassell’s Burgers and The Rock is here munching on a Patty Melt!

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:00:36pm

I’m in. Completely.

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BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:01:06pm

re: #418 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cool! I’m at Cassell’s Burgers and The Rock is here munching on a Patty Melt!

Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:02:30pm

re: #418 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cool! I’m at Cassell’s Burgers and The Rock is here munching on a Patty Melt!

Post a selfie with him!

422
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:05:14pm

re: #388 The Pie Overlord!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:10:41pm

“Woke” Joe Walsh seems to be a bit of a nightmare to me.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:12:58pm

re: #423 Anymouse 🌹

“Woke” Joe Walsh seems to be a bit of a nightmare to me.

[Embedded content]

It’s not that Walsh is “woke”, it’s that Trump is so bad even someone as regressive as Joe Walsh can see it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:14:11pm

re: #391 Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

re: #413 Joe Bacon 🌹

The president has once again (but even more obviously than usual) made clear his unapologetic bigotry, nativism and racism. Are GOP leaders, donors and voters still fine with re-nominating Donald Trump for president? Do they really believe the Republican Party can do no better?

They know that he is the candidate who does the best to inspire and motivate their base of rabid bigots, xenophobes and religious zealots, without whom they would have no chance

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:16:08pm

re: #424 Ace-o-aces

It’s not that Walsh is “woke”, it’s that Trump is so bad even someone as regressive as Joe Walsh can see it.

Joe Walsh helped build this. I eagerly await his apology and renunciation of Movement Conservatism for the damage he helped cause. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:17:53pm

re: #427 Anymouse 🌹

Joe Walsh helped build this. I eagerly await his apology and renunciation of Movement Conservatism for the damage he helped cause. /s

Being out of office, he has the luxury of not having to toe the party line and vote for everything Trump proposes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:19:08pm

It’s that time (bedtime). I’ll catch y’all later.

Some douchecanoe at the National Weather Service scheduled us for 96°F today, and we still have no air conditioner.

If I suffer heat stroke whilst I’m sleeping, send someone round with rum to revive me. /s

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:19:32pm
431
marcusgorillius  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:19:39pm

Can you imagine how the rest of the world must view this freak show. He’s done such damage to the image of this country. Trump is such a vile human being. How has this country fallen so far.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:22:11pm

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Being out of office, he has the luxury of not having to toe the party line and vote for everything Trump proposes.

He also has the luxury of ignoring how he helped build this. Mr. Walsh is no friend; he’s just deflecting from his part in the same way Max Boot or Jennifer Rubin or George Conway or Maggie Habermann does.

None of them will admit their part in this.

The first step in recovery is admitting your actions. None of them will do that.

433
Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:25:40pm

That’s what this is all about. He thinks these four women need to be “shown their place”.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:25:41pm

re: #432 Anymouse 🌹

He also has the luxury of ignoring how he helped build this. Mr. Walsh is no friend; he’s just deflecting from his part in the same way Max Boot or Jennifer Rubin or George Conway or Maggie Habermann does.

None of them will admit their part in this.

The first step in recovery is admitting your actions. None of them will do that.

They’re hoping for Trump to be gone, while everything else remains the same and they get a figurehead with a veneer of respectability and the ability to use the right dogwhistles.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:25:56pm
436
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:27:43pm

re: #433 Ace-o-aces

Trump doesn’t think elected Members of Congress have a right to being a part of running our government — or maybe he just means the non-white female ones.

He is baring the ugly truth that he and most of the GOP believe that only white Christian males should have any say in how America is ruled.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:28:39pm

re: #435 The Pie Overlord!

Comparing their circumstances to children torn from their parents, refused medical care, and forced to sleep on the floor in freezing camps is dishonest and disgusting.

Do their families also sleep like this?

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:29:30pm
439
Archangelus  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:30:52pm

...

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:31:20pm
441
marcusgorillius  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:31:55pm

Whatever happened to having real men in the Republican Party. Tolerance, respect, not being afraid to stand up to someone and punch back, standing for human decency. What we have now is the best government money can buy. Not all of them, but the majority of politicians are spineless wimps. If we can’t do any better than Trump we are so screwed.

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Archangelus  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:32:25pm
443
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:32:44pm

re: #440 Ace-o-aces

The Democrats should produce a radio spot reminding people that Trump told a Hispanic Congresswoman to “go back” where she came from, and they should run it non-stop in every radio market in Texas from now until election day!

Again, it is clear that the only people he wants to see governing America are white (professing) Christian males

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:33:00pm

re: #435 The Pie Overlord!

The photo looks to be an Alamy stock one. Only caption I found for it was “New York Army National Guard Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion 142nd Assault Helicopter Battalion bunk down”. No mention of where and when it was taken. I presume Simone took it from the same place as a recent Tweet by Mike Pence. Which implies that this will be the chosen form of pushback against AOC by the GOP nattering heads on this subject.

Edit: Quick search on the unit indicated a deployment to Iraq in 2008-09. This could be from then, or possibly while doing relief work for Hurricane Sandy in 2012. In either case I doubt this is their usual quarters and rest accommodations on Long Island.

445
mmmirele  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:33:06pm

re: #429 Anymouse 🌹

It’s that time (bedtime). I’ll catch y’all later.

Some douchecanoe at the National Weather Service scheduled us for 96°F today, and we still have no air conditioner.

If I suffer heat stroke whilst I’m sleeping, send someone round with rum to revive me. /s

This is actually serious stuff. My aunt died during a heatwave in Los Angeles several years ago. She didn’t have an air conditioner. She fell asleep in her tiny hot apartment and never woke up. Please be careful!

446
Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:33:34pm
447
Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:34:52pm
448
Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:36:25pm

re: #443 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, it is clear that the only people he wants to see governing America are white (professing) Christian males

He may want that, but last I checked there where a lot of Hispanics in Texas, and they need some motivation to vote.

449
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:40:05pm

re: #435 The Pie Overlord!

450
Dave In Austin  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:40:42pm
451
Archangelus  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:43:21pm
452
The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:44:58pm
453
BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:44:58pm

I notice how POC use their color as a shield when they called out. The bad faith arguments are legion.

454
The Pie Overlord!  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:47:00pm

This is the most desperate “Both Siding” that you will see all day.

455
BigPapa  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:48:03pm

Lot of horribleness. Means I have to cook. I got a loaf of sourdough; will be garlic bread.

Tomato bisque has been requested from Wifey. She shall have her bisque.

I’m not going to tell her what Orange said. Yet.

456
BeachDem  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:48:19pm

re: #444 Feline Fearless Leader

The photo looks to be an Alamy stock one. Only caption I found for it was “New York Army National Guard Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion 142nd Assault Helicopter Battalion bunk down”. No mention of where and when it was taken. I presume Simone took it from the same place as a recent Tweet by Mike Pence. Which implies that this will be the chosen form of pushback against AOC by the GOP nattering heads on this subject.

Edit: Quick search on the unit indicated a deployment to Iraq in 2008-09. This could be from then, or possibly while doing relief work for Hurricane Sandy in 2012. In either case I doubt this is their usual quarters and rest accommodations on Long Island.

New York Army National Guard Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion 142nd Assault Helicopter Battalion bunk down in Puerto Rico after deploying from Ronknonkoma, N.Y. on Sept. 28, 2017. The battalion sent 60 Soldiers and 4 UH-60s to assit the Puerto Rico National Guard in responding to the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.

alamy.com

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:48:27pm

re: #452 The Pie Overlord!

I see cots, I see blankets, I see plenty of space per volunteer who’s not locked up.

458
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:48:35pm
459
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:50:51pm
460
Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:53:01pm

re: #456 BeachDem

New York Army National Guard Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion 142nd Assault Helicopter Battalion bunk down in Puerto Rico after deploying from Ronknonkoma, N.Y. on Sept. 28, 2017. The battalion sent 60 Soldiers and 4 UH-60s to assit the Puerto Rico National Guard in responding to the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.

alamy.com

Thank you. about what I thought it would be, temporary housing while on a deployment. Probably relief work since they are a transport copter battalion.

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:53:13pm

re: #454 The Pie Overlord!

This is the most desperate “Both Siding” that you will see all day.

[Embedded content]

462
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:53:46pm

re: #459 MsJ

[Embedded content]

?

463
stpaulbear  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:54:49pm

re: #435 The Pie Overlord!

[Embedded content]

What I’m seeing in that picture is that they all have cots, they all have sleeping bags, and they can lay down at once. It doesn’t compare to the men and children in cage pictures at all, and it doesn’t support anyone’s point about the treatment of asylum seekers.

464
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:54:55pm

Brian also has this one, which I might have to send to my brother:

465
lawhawk  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:55:02pm

re: #456 BeachDem

Troops that deployed on the say so of Gov. Cuomo to help Puerto Rico, not because Trump raised a finger to help his fellow Americans in Puerto Rico.

Those folks volunteered to help their fellow Americans under difficult circumstances.

The people Trump is detaining are seeking asylum and a better life and Trump’s policies are to maximize harms to them to act as a deterrent to them coming here and to deter future nonwhites from coming here either.

All of Trump’s policies taken together are a melange of white supremacist and misogynist acts intended to keep white guys in power.

466
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:55:28pm

re: #462 Belafon

Did I read that wrong? Yellow is cowardice and blue is snowflake.

467
jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:56:38pm

re: #466 MsJ

Did you mean to address that to the original tweet instead of the guy who posted the ‘medals’?

468
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:56:46pm

re: #466 MsJ

Did I read that wrong? Yellow is cowardice and blue is snowflake.

I was wondering who it was directed at. Wilson seemed to have made something funny to me.

469
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:57:48pm

re: #467 jaunte

Did you mean to address that to the original tweet instead of the guy who posted the ‘medals’?

What juante said.

470
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 12:59:52pm

re: #467 jaunte

Did you mean to address that to the original tweet instead of the guy who posted the ‘medals’?

To the guy who posted the medals.

471
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:00:10pm

re: #386 mmmirele

The were “fostering” them, not their own children.

472
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:00:44pm

re: #469 Belafon

What juante said.

It seemed to me he was saying that Democrats are snowflakes. Maybe I read it wrong.

473
steve_davis  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:01:23pm

re: #130 BigPapa

So I’m still depressed Pelosi won’t move for impeachment while orange continues to wreak havoc driving us to fascism. But I just realized that if impeachment fails in the Senate, is there a Double Jeopardy issue if it fails? Is there only one shot at this?

that may be partly it. I’ve come to agree with whoever recently wrote the column about how this is mostly Pelosi misreading this situation as being parallel to the impeachment of Clinton, which backfired spectacularly.

474
Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:02:00pm

re: #472 MsJ

It seemed to me he was saying that Democrats are snowflakes. Maybe I read it wrong.

He was giving the award to Mark Simone.

475
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:02:06pm

re: #360 Decatur Deb

Someone missed the historical joke—that rooster symbol is an original mascot of the (mostly Southern) Democratic party. The donkey came later.

it’s still the mascot/symbol of the Kentucky Democratic Party

476
jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:02:56pm

re: #472 MsJ

I think he was mocking the original poster for using the military to make his argument that the camps aren’t so bad.

477
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:03:39pm

re: #397 Charles Johnson

Well, you could phrase it as the question “how could his racism be any more obvious than it has been for his entire life?”

478
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:03:52pm

re: #474 Belafon

re: #476 jaunte

I hate Twitter threading. It sucks.

I’m wrong. Isn’t and won’t be the last time.

479
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:05:06pm

re: #477 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, you could phrase it as the question “how could his racism be any more obvious than it has been for his entire life?”

it is growing progressively harder to spin and rationalize

even newsmax is calling him out on this

480
jaunte  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:05:22pm

re: #478 MsJ

No problem, just want to help direct your fire!

481
steve_davis  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:06:08pm

re: #139 MsJ

Happy ending. Thankfully.

[Embedded content]

“Daddy, isn’t forever home where we go when we die?” “Uhmmm…..that’s a helluva good question, kid. Let’s ask your mother.”

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Belafon  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:06:38pm

re: #478 MsJ

I hate Twitter threading. It sucks.

I’m wrong. Isn’t and won’t be the last time.

Just wanted to be sure. There are times when nested threading - replies would build a tree structure, like over at Daily Kos - would be very useful, but it can get unwieldy as well.

483
MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:10:10pm

re: #482 Belafon

Just wanted to be sure. There are times when nested threading - replies would build a tree structure, like over at Daily Kos - would be very useful, but it can get unwieldy as well.

I said My Bad to him, too.

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steve_davis  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:11:30pm

re: #155 Belafon

Snoop Dogg pushing for US women’s soccer to get paid the same as men:

[Embedded content]

keep in mind this guy once murdered a striker for the U.S. side. O.k., I jest. The guy he murdered was not actually a striker for the U.S. side.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:15:50pm
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plansbandc  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:16:09pm

re: #414 Anymouse 🌹

I had a nice little blocking party.

487
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:16:55pm

re: #379 Joe Bacon 🌹

Add in the Mormons and you bring funeral potatoes to the food fight!

church/funeral hotdish for the win

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MsJ  Jul 14, 2019 • 1:25:10pm

Interesting indeed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2019 • 3:06:27pm

re: #451 Archangelus

[Embedded content]

Cruz, Meadows, and Crenshaw aren’t women, so question answered.


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Elizabeth Warren Introduces Sweeping Gun Control Plan Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren introduced a sweeping gun control plan Saturday with the goal of reducing gun deaths by 80% through executive action and legislation. "You've got to start with a goal. I haven't heard anybody else talk about ...
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