Newly-Discovered Video Shows Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein Leering at Women at a Mar-a-Lago Party

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I have to admit I really can’t stand “Morning Joe” Scarborough and his ridiculous panel discussions, but this clip is worth seeing because his producers dug up video of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein leering at and groping women at a Mar-a-Lago party in 1992.

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Weaselone  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:29:04am

Too bad they didn’t put the effort into finding this 3 years ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:29:23am

ancient history

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:31:13am

re: #1 Weaselone

Too bad they didn’t put the effort into finding this 3 years ago.

he came out and told us what he was like, sneaking around backstage at Miss Teen America, and it did not bother us then

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:32:08am

Got CL’d on the last thread:

re: #442 Dr Lizardo

The younger brother of the Manchester Arena bomber (the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert in May of 2017) is set to appear in a British court as a co-conspirator in the attack and he will be charged with 22 counts of murder (the victims of the attack).

bbc.co.uk

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makeitstop  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:32:10am

Any lip readers out there? I’d be interested in picking out what they could of what Trump is saying…

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:34:22am

1992…. Had to go back and check, but that’s around the time Trump’s divorce from Ivana became final, and he married Marla Maples in 1993.

Weird. Not weird.

Not that this video would have mattered had it been uncovered during the 2016 election.

It’s not like the Access Hollywood video made a difference. Trump admits to being a sex predator, and his deplorable base considered it a net positive for them.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:34:33am

re: #1 Weaselone

Too bad they didn’t put the effort into finding this 3 years ago.

Unfortunately, I doubt it would have changed the minds (or elections results) of the GOP Cultists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:35:01am

re: #1 Weaselone

Too bad they didn’t put the effort into finding this 3 years ago.

Trump was busy calling it in to Joe Scarborough every morning for interviews.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:35:04am
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:37:34am

re: #9 Dave In Austin

It’s not the reading part but the comprehending part that Dinesh de Felon doesn’t get.

He’s intent on getting torched every time he goes off on a diatribe about how Democrats are the real racists by peddling his ahistorical agitprop.

Kruse and others will dunk on him from now to eternity.

I can almost envision Dinesh in hell, where he’s going to spend eternity getting dunked on by POC, but then again, it’s almost as if he likes being dunked on because he keeps coming back for more and more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:38:23am

re: #10 lawhawk

I can almost envision Dinesh in hell, where he’s going to spend eternity getting dunked on by POC, but then again, it’s almost as if he likes being dunked on because he keeps coming back for more and more.

It gets him attention and wins him admiring cheers from his target audience.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:40:08am

Kevin Kruse weighs in with a quickie single post to publicly own Dinesh D’liar again. (As I shameless stole from someone else, he wants to be publicly owned so badly he should be a socialist.)

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William Lewis  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:40:25am

re: #10 lawhawk

I get such a sad laugh out of the fools like Dinesh de Felon and Baby Snidely who just refuse to get that if their bosses ever got real power, they’d both be amongst the earliest people executed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:42:03am

re: #5 makeitstop

Any lip readers out there? I’d be interested in picking out what they could of what Trump is saying…

“I’m bankrupt, baby, show me some love.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:42:03am

Of course he did

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:47:11am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:47:26am

re: #9 Dave In Austin

Yeah, because Southern/Confederacy states were and still are a hotbed of liberalism. Just look at all the libruls at Obama, Bernie, and HRC rallies over the years waving the confederate rag.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:49:17am
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Kilroy was here  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:49:19am

NBC News releases video showing Biden, Epstein at 1992 party

thehill.com

The Hill ratfucking a headline.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:49:44am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:50:36am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:51:06am
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William Lewis  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:51:26am

Oh wow. Title track from the upcoming Sleater-Kinney album dropped

Sleater-Kinney - The Center Won’t Hold (Official Lyric Video)

NIN fans should appreciate it…

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:52:12am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

50-100 first responders in Kentucky are currently participating in the 9/11 VCF.

That means that Ayn Rand Paul’s actions affect those first responders and screw all first responders nationwide who answered the call to help on 9/11 and the months following the attacks to recover the remains of those murdered on that day.

We’ve nearly passed the point where the number of 9/11 first responders dead from 9/11 ailments supersedes the total number killed on 9/11 itself.

Paul’s a fucknut who doesn’t care. He and the rest of the GOP don’t care about first responders the moment the cameras shut off. They only want them there for the photo ops.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:52:49am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

We’ve witnessed the birth of Weyland Yutani.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:52:57am

re: #19 Kilroy was here

NBC News releases video showing Biden, Epstein at 1992 party

thehill.com

The Hill ratfucking a headline.

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Fox “news” chyron in Feb 2021: Former POTUS Donald J. Trump (D) indicted on felony racketeering charges

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:57:55am

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And it gets better!

A federal judge ordered the release of documents related to the investigation into hush money payments to women claiming they slept with President Trump.

The documents must be posted by 11:00 am eastern on Thursday, July 18, Judge William H. Pauley of the Southern District of New York wrote in a decision released Wednesday.

“The campaign finance violations discussed in the Materials are a matter of national importance. Now that the Government’s investigation into those violations has concluded, it is time that every American has an opportunity to scrutinize the Materials,” Judge Pauley wrote.

news.vice.com

LOL Trump’s gonna need to be changing his Depends hourly.

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:58:27am

The Hill’s original article detailing a new video showing epstein & Trump rockin’ it together in 1992— their title was:

“NBC News releases video showing Biden, Epstein at 1992 party”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:58:51am

Wonkette Stole This Samantha Bee Interview With Tammy Duckworth Before It Could Even Air!

Samantha Bee sent an exclusive interview clip of Sen. Tammy Duckworth, which they have in the article. The interview is to air on Ms. Bee’s show tonight. (video, 6:50, currently unlisted on YouTube).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:58:59am

re: #13 William Lewis

I get such a sad laugh out of the fools like Dinesh de Felon and Baby Snidely who just refuse to get that if their bosses ever got real power, they’d both be amongst the earliest people executed.

Grifters got to grift. Its all they are good at.

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 10:59:42am

re: #19 Kilroy was here

NBC News releases video showing Biden, Epstein at 1992 party

thehill.com

The Hill ratfucking a headline.

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gmta

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:00:13am

re: #30 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Grifters got to grift. Its all they are good at.

Yeah, d’Felon really doesn’t have any other particularly discernible talents.

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:00:55am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I see the rightie whities are all over Twitter today trying to claim that their racism is just a “dissident view,” and we have to let them express it or we’re Stalin, Hitler and Saul Alinsky all rolled into one.

i said this AM that this was their goal

to make the fact of trump’s racism into an ‘opinion’

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:01:22am

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, d’Felon really doesn’t have any other particularly discernible talents.

Bedding wannabe Eva Brauns?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:02:33am

re: #34 lawhawk

Bedding wannabe Eva Brauns?

Not really a “talent” per se - more like a weird Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS fetish if you ask me.

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SteelPH  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:03:33am

Uugghh

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:05:29am

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Appeal coming in three… .

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:08:19am

The other thing I noticed about this video of Trump: he’s hopping around like a squirrel monkey on speed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:09:13am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

It’s an alternative view alright. It tells us you’re white supremacists. We fought a war over that. The whole country was involved. They lost.

Daesh’s views are just “a matter of opinion.” I can play that game too. Surely these free thought warriors are fine with ISiS then?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:10:21am

re: #10 lawhawk

This is what he does to draw attention to himself and his grifting. He doesn’t self own to make himself look like an idiot, he does it to provoke a reaction.

And he knows it will work every fucking time.

So he’s not going to stop.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:10:37am

re: #38 jaunte

he’s hopping around like a squirrel monkey on speed.

Trump the Tweaker….

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:12:33am

re: #38 jaunte

The other thing I noticed about this video of Trump: he’s hopping around like a squirrel monkey on speed.

Yeah. Except it’s probably cocaine.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:12:51am

re: #19 Kilroy was here

NBC News releases video showing Biden, Epstein at 1992 party

thehill.com

The Hill ratfucking a headline.

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It’s changed now. How fast did they get hammered?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:13:15am

Twitter is definitely fucking with random people for no reason.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:13:33am

re: #36 SteelPH

Uugghh

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Come on Nancy, what in the fuck are you waiting for?

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Kilroy was here  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:14:51am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

It’s changed now. How fast did they get hammered?

Best guess 5 minutes from being posted..

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:15:09am

thehill.com

Planned Parenthood has decided to forego federal funding rather than comply with Trump’s gag rule on medical providers who refer women for abortions.

That means the 97% of their services which are not abortions will no longer be eligible for any federal funds.

If you have a few bucks (or a few thousand), show your local PP some love. You can put your donation in the name of a wingnut so they get a certificate.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:15:17am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

They have to make an airtight case. Any mistake and it goes up in smoke.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:15:19am

Not enough has been said about how nasty Trump’s hair was when he was younger.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:15:45am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Yeah. Except it’s probably cocaine.

Not really surprising - there’s been rumors he did more than his fair share of blow at Studio 54 back in the day.

Of course, it was Studio 54.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:16:36am

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:17:40am

re: #38 jaunte

The other thing I noticed about this video of Trump: he’s hopping around like a squirrel monkey on speed.

It’s almost a certainty that he’s coked up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:17:48am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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What could possibly go wrong??

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:17:51am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Come on Nancy, what in the fuck are you waiting for?

There is a vote on articles of impeachment scheduled for around 4:30 today on Rep. Al Green’s bill.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:18:21am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s not a secret backchannel if you’re broadcasting it for all to hear.

This is what happens when you don’t have a functioning State Department. Everyone thinks that they can bend Trump’s ear and push their pet foreign policy idea with no actual experts involved.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:19:12am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Come on Nancy, what in the fuck are you waiting for?

For more than 85 Reps to come out in favor of impeachment.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:19:20am

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

In a little more than 2 hours we shall see what happens.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:19:28am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

It’s almost a certainty that he’s coked up.

Might be because he heard that the prosecutors in Michael Cohen’s case are ordered to release the information on how Trump’s payoffs to women went, with third parties included and without redactions.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:20:49am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

“Mr. Khomeini, have you been introduced to our lord and savior Ayn Rand?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:20:55am

re: #56 Belafon

For more than 85 Reps to come out in favor of impeachment.

Really astounding that is all they can get right now despite all the insane fucked up shit Trump has done.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:21:34am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Really astounding that is all they can get right now despite all the insane fucked up shit Trump has done.

Democrats in those districts should be calling their Reps all the time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:21:54am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹

I think Dr. Matt meant he was coked up in 1992 but he may well be coked up now too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:21:55am

re: #44 The Pie Overlord!

Twitter is definitely fucking with random people for no reason.

Conservatives are complaining they are banned from Twitter. As has been demonstrated many times, it’s projection with them.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:21:58am
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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:23:21am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of course he did

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rand paul voted for the tax cut

so how about an offset from all the new revenue that cut was supposed to generate? oh, it didnt? record high deficits you say?

then here’s a thought:
maybe reverse some of those tax cuts that have actually proven unnecessary and mis-directed. They were intended to give businesses more capital to invest in production, but it went into dividends, stock buybacks and their pockets.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:23:53am

re: #56 Belafon

For more than 85 Reps to come out in favor of impeachment.

This will be a procedural matter, which means that depending on how it is phrased (and leadership is working on that phrasing), it will be to send the matter to Judiciary to prepare, or to demand an immediate vote to begin impeachment.

A yea vote could be to demand immediate vote or it could be to send to judiciary depending on the phrasing.

It’d be a trap to get the GOP to go on the record. Because that’s how I’d work this.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:23:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:25:41am

re: #65 DangerMan

rand paul voted for the tax cut

so how about an offset from all the new revenue that cut was supposed to generate? oh, it didnt? record high deficits you say?

then here’s a thought:
maybe reverse some of those tax cuts that have actually proven unnecessary and mis-directed. They were intended to give businesses more capital to invest in production, but it went into dividends, stock buybacks and their pockets.

And that’s why the Dems need the Senate and Presidency so bad in 2020. Reverse those tax cuts, Bush’s tax cuts, and restore the capital gains tax to proper levels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:26:39am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

The ideal of cryptocurrency, like the ideal of Libertarianism, is a rule governed by “The People” and not some unrepresentativve elected governments.

The reality is a world dominated by totally unelected unrepresentative corporations

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Skip Intro  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:27:03am

re: #36 SteelPH

So the Dems are running on Trump slogans now?

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:27:07am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:28:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:31:01am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The ideal of cryptocurrency, like the ideal of Libertarianism, is a rule governed by “The People” and not some unrepresentativve elected governments.

The reality is a world dominated by totally unelected unrepresentative corporations

And when those libertarian communities have to get together to plan for things such as policing or roads or water systems, they effectively reinvent government.

You either wind up like Chile (fascist) or Somalia (anarchy).

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:31:32am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:35:07am
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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:37:45am

“Running bear loved little white dove with a love big as the sky”

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:38:13am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

What happens in the woods, stays in the woods.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:39:39am

re: #9 Dave In Austin

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:39:57am

re: #48 PhillyPretzel

They have to make an airtight case. Any mistake and it goes up in smoke.

This exactly

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:41:32am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Trump taps Rand Paul as secret backchannel to Iranhttps://politico.com
By Eliana Johnson and Nahal Toosi

Nothing trump does is secret

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:42:28am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Ah, Ebola.

The stuff of apocalyptic nightmares and doomsday flicks and novels, almost like a real-life Captain Trips.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:48:12am

On Tucker Karlsen’s “White Power Hour”:

KENNEDY: I’m appalled that so many of our presidential candidates are falling all over themselves to defend the Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse.

They can join up with Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens as part of the Conservative religion’s pantheon of demons.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:49:04am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Also: You can love America and HATE this fucking administration at the same time.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:49:09am

re: #77 lawhawk

What happens in the woods, stays in the woods.

My dog is always trying to hush me. Of course, she could be trying to maul my face.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:49:25am
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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:49:45am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

On Tucker Karlsen’s “White Power Hour”:

KENNEDY: I’m appalled that so many of our presidential candidates are falling all over themselves to defend the Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse.

They can join up with Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens as part of the Conservative religion’s pantheon of demons.

Who woke up on Saturday and started tweeting?
Hint:. Not the women

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:50:39am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:51:13am
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DodgerFan1988  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:53:55am

Conservatives:

“Democrats are the party of slavery and segregation.”

Also…

“How dare you tore down Confederate statues and flags!”

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:54:43am

White GOP Congressman Claims He’s ‘A Person Of Color’

“He does not offend me,” Rep. Mike Kelly said Tuesday in reference to President Donald Trump’s racist tweets

Asshat

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 11:57:46am

re: #90 DangerMan

Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., explained his vote against Tuesday’s House resolution condemning President Trump’s tweet that suggested four Democratic congresswomen of color “go back” to their home countries by saying he is “a person of color.”

You know, they talk about people of color,” Kelly told a Vice News reporter before the vote. “I’m a person of color. I’m white. I’m an Anglo Saxon. People say things all the time, but I don’t get offended.”

JFC. They just keep getting worse.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:00:18pm

Scumbag calls other scumbag to boast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:00:59pm
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marcusgorillius  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:01:06pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

If you can’t think of anything sane to say, just make something up. ( Good God!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:02:58pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:04:20pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:04:40pm

My kids were all excited and sharing their FaceApp photos on our family WhatsApp group, even Z joined the fun. It creeped me out and I didn’t download the app.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:10:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:10:32pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., explained his vote against Tuesday’s House resolution condemning President Trump’s tweet that suggested four Democratic congresswomen of color “go back” to their home countries by saying he is “a person of color.”

You know, they talk about people of color,” Kelly told a Vice News reporter before the vote. “I’m a person of color. I’m white. I’m an Anglo Saxon. People say things all the time, but I don’t get offended.”

JFC. They just keep getting worse.

Has anyone ever told him to go back to his country? I’ve been told that as a Polish-American (and sometimes to go back to Mexico) and it’s racist as shit and always has been.

That’s why federal law specifically cites that phrase as creating a hostile work environment for race or ethnicity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:16:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:16:15pm

Post-Tropical Depression Barry is pulling warm water out of Lake Erie and dumping it on eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania.

radar.weather.gov

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:18:07pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Scumbag calls other scumbag to boast.

“I didn’t lose. They lost.” Sorry, Donny, not buying it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:19:46pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

And here in eastern PA we have very hot temps and a severe thunderstorm warning.
weather.gov

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:24:01pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Boris Johnson and Donald Trump leading the UK and US. And my grandfather was worried about what Reagan would be be bad.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:28:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:28:50pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., explained his vote against Tuesday’s House resolution condemning President Trump’s tweet that suggested four Democratic congresswomen of color “go back” to their home countries by saying he is “a person of color.”

You know, they talk about people of color,” Kelly told a Vice News reporter before the vote. “I’m a person of color. I’m white. I’m an Anglo Saxon. People say things all the time, but I don’t get offended.”

JFC. They just keep getting worse.

Yeah you only get offended when someone wishes you a Happy Holidays. And I very much doubt anyone has told him to go back where he came from and he’s an idiot to boot. Since I saw he was saying people told him to go back to Ireland and he identifies as an Anglo Saxon.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:29:45pm

Anniversary Of The Port Chicago Explosion - 320 People Died On July 17, 1944

Today is the 75th anniversary of the tragic explosion in Port Chicago.

On July 17, 1944, 4600 tons on the Liberty Ship E.A. Bryan, and another 400 tons of explosives on the pier all went up in two separate blasts, which were 7 seconds apart. The explosion is recorded as one of the largest man-made, non-nuclear explosions in history. This explosion accounts for 15% of all African-American casualties in World War II.

320 men were killed, and another 390 were injured.

YouTube

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:32:06pm

re: #105 The Pie Overlord!

More like a tablet and a cell phone or the high end cell phone.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:32:22pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate

Anniversary Of The Port Chicago Explosion - 320 People Died On July 17, 1944

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Read about John Rankin’s response to that tragedy when he discovered most of the victims were black, same crap that the GOP tried doing to 9/11 heroes who were undocumented.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:32:53pm

re: #103 PhillyPretzel

And here in eastern PA we have very hot temps and a severe thunderstorm warning.
weather.gov

Barry should be in your area shortly.

nhc.noaa.gov

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SteelPH  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:33:38pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Post-Tropical Depression Barry is pulling warm water out of Lake Erie and dumping it on eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania.

radar.weather.gov

I sure am lookin’ forward to that.
//

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:34:12pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

Most likely. To my knowledge all of my batteries are charged up. Hopefully I will not need them.

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sagehen  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:39:00pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate

Anniversary Of The Port Chicago Explosion - 320 People Died On July 17, 1944

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Video

pretty thorough blogpost about the explosion and the aftermath
patrickmurfin.blogspot.com

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Mescalero09  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:42:26pm

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:43:53pm

re: #114 Mescalero09

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:46:26pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Post-Tropical Depression Barry is pulling warm water out of Lake Erie and dumping it on eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania.

radar.weather.gov

It’s essentially the same thing that happens with lake effect snow - the wind blows across the lake, gets sucked up in the atmosphere, and dropped downwind.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:46:52pm

re: #114 Mescalero09

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:47:05pm

I’m sick of Republicans. How the party of Lincoln became this would be a hell of a book.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:47:20pm

re: #116 lawhawk

Yes. I am sorry to say. :(

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:49:04pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’m sick of Republicans. How the party of Lincoln became this would be a hell of a book.

They tried to co-opt the Southern Democrats, but the Southern Democrats co-opted them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:51:20pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’m sick of Republicans. How the party of Lincoln became this would be a hell of a book.

I posted lat night that the Party of Lincoln is now the Party of Jefferson Davis.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:52:09pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate

And the Navy not only demanded those who survived to get back and load ammo, but that the Navy refused to heed their warnings about how unsafe those conditions were in the first place. There was a mutiny a month later, and 50 were court martialed.

There’s now a Port Chicago Naval Magazine National Memorial was dedicated in 1994 to the lives lost in the explosion - but since it’s contained within an active military base, you need to coordinate with the NPS and the military to visit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:52:37pm

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They tried to co-opt the Southern Democrats, but the Southern Democrats co-opted them.

Well yes but there’s a lot of history and storytelling in there too. I know the history but a great historian could make it a great narrative. It’s not like the Nazis who were always scum. This was the party of Lincoln and now it resembles the American Nazi Party of George Lincoln Rockwell.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:55:35pm

re: #121 Joe Bacon 🌹

I posted lat night that the Party of Lincoln is now the Party of Jefferson Davis.

I’d go further Joe. George LINCOLN Rockwell. It saddens me even though my parents and grandparents were all Democrats. I want a sensible center right. The Dem establishment is closer to that than the GOP is.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:55:46pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:56:23pm

Well, Erdogan’s not gonna be happy about this:

“Turkey’s decision to purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems renders its continued involvement with the F-35 impossible,” the White House statement read. “The F-35 cannot coexist with a Russian intelligence collection platform that will be used to learn about its advanced capabilities.”

“Turkey has been a longstanding and trusted partner and NATO Ally for over 65 years, but accepting the S-400 undermines the commitments all NATO Allies made to each other to move away from Russian systems,” the statement continued.

“This will have detrimental impacts on Turkish interoperability with the Alliance. The United States still greatly values our strategic relationship with Turkey. As NATO Allies, our relationship is multi-layered, and not solely focused on the F-35. Our military-to-military relationship is strong, and we will continue to cooperate with Turkey extensively, mindful of constraints due to the presence of the S-400 system in Turkey.”

defensenews.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 12:56:53pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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It was a disgusting slogan then and it is now. Trump is interested in one thing only. Trump. And he improves Trump through racist nativism.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:03:19pm

The irony? For all the crap right wingers did about the Obama economy. The America they wanted to be great again was a much more regulated economy. The big lie is that conservatives want free market capitalism. The truth is they want Apartheid for minorities.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:03:35pm

The A to Z of Trump racism:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:06:17pm

re: #129 lawhawk

The A to Z of Trump racism:

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He’s shown more anger to Kap than any to Duke. He claims to be outraged by Omar being “Anti Semitic” but says nothing about the Charlottesville fascists who chanted Jews will not replace us. Acts like Dems want Venezuela’s economy and legitimizes Kim Jong Un.

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retired cynic  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:17:23pm

Randy Rainbow is on Fresh Air right now…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:19:32pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:19:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:20:32pm

re: #132 retired cynic

Randy Rainbow is on Fresh Air right now…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:21:39pm
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TedStriker  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:21:59pm

re: #107 Dread Pirate

Anniversary Of The Port Chicago Explosion - 320 People Died On July 17, 1944

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Video

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Read about John Rankin’s response to that tragedy when he discovered most of the victims were black, same crap that the GOP tried doing to 9/11 heroes who were undocumented.

What a racist shitstain he was:

The Navy asked Congress to give each victim’s family $5,000. Representative John E. Rankin (D-MS) insisted the amount be reduced to $2,000 when he learned most of the dead were black men.[45] Congress settled on $3,000 in compensation.[43] Years later, on March 4, 1949, the heirs of eighteen merchant seamen killed in the explosion were granted a total of $390,000 after gaining approval of their consent decrees in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California.[46]

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:22:46pm

re: #134 Dave In Austin

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Your party is a party of wrinkly dicks.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:23:33pm

re: #137 TedStriker

What a racist shitstain he was:

And the only lesson Republicans will get from that is Rankin was a Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:29:39pm

There’s nothing more pathetic than a white conservative telling African Americans who lived the civil rights movement that they don’t know the history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:34:13pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

There’s nothing more pathetic than a white conservative telling African Americans who lived the civil rights movement that they don’t know the history.

they rewrite history to suit them

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plansbandc  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:35:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:37:53pm

re: #142 plansbandc

Looks like a cabbage with eyes.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:38:14pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Post-Tropical Depression Barry is pulling warm water out of Lake Erie and dumping it on eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania.

radar.weather.gov

Yes it is (from someone in NW PA)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:38:15pm
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plansbandc  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:39:45pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Keep on rocking in the not nearly as free world.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:42:28pm

re: #114 Mescalero09

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:47:29pm
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Jay C  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:49:04pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

Looks like a cabbage with eyes.

Reminds me of a certain individual (call him “Individual One”?) currently holding national office…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:51:40pm

re: #89 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:52:03pm
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:53:04pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I Kant Kome Klose to what he possibly is…

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:54:33pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:56:57pm

Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” puts his foot in it.

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Okay, Don, you wretched throwback, I guess the ones without health insurance can vote at any age then.

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:58:16pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

I don’t understand what he’s doing with his mouth

billy crystal - “white man’s overbite”

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:58:41pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:58:53pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Worst attempt at gaslighting ever. What idiots.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 17, 2019 • 1:59:24pm

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Why not just say “Only white male landowners”, and spare us the handwaving dishonesty?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:04:29pm

More swampy-stuff from Trump:

TRUMP REMOVED THE ONLY NATIVE AMERICAN MEMBER FROM THE CULTURAL PROPERTY ADVISORY COMMITTEE

The sole Native American member on a committee that advises the president on international cultural heritage agreements was removed and replaced last week, members of the committee confirmed. Shannon Keller O’Loughlin, a citizen of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, was appointed to the Department of State’s Cultural Property Advisory Committee in 2016 by former President Barack Obama. She is the first and only Native American to have ever served on the committee.

The advisory committee is responsible for making recommendations on whether or not to enter into cultural property agreements with foreign governments. Those agreements can help protect culturally significant archeological property by cracking down on illegal exports, and providing museum training and on-the-ground preservation efforts.

[…]

President Donald Trump’s former White House lawyer, Stefan Passantino, was appointed as O’Loughlin’s replacement last Thursday. Among the dozen current members of the committee, Passantino stands out: While most are archeology and museum professionals, or specialists in the international sale of cultural property and historic preservation, he is an attorney who specializes in campaign finance law.

[…]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:07:18pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Holy crap! His actual real name IS Randy Rainbow. That is fantastic.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:10:00pm

[…] Even as the United States and Turkey grapple with an array of strategic questions, Congress must speak out to ensure that freedom of association and the rule of law in Turkey are not forgotten.

[…]

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:10:03pm

if he’s speaking (or tweeting), he’s lying

“Days before Prime Minister Imran Khan was due to visit Washington, Pakistan attempted to smooth things over with President Trump on Wednesday by announcing the arrest of a notorious militant leader who has been living openly for years despite a $10-million U.S. bounty,” the Los Angeles Times reports.

The arrest was not unexpected: Pakistan has detained and released Saeed several times before, most recently in 2017, when he served 10 months under house arrestYet President Trump immediately sought to claim credit for Saeed’s latest arrest, tweeting that it was the result of a ‘ten year search’ and that ‘great pressure has been exerted over the last two years to find him.’”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:14:09pm
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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:17:05pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Here we see the president of the US groping a woman at a party he attended with a child molester.

also a lot of hair, teeth and lipstick

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:19:05pm

I’m cool with it as long as he’s not groping dudes!

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DangerMan  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:20:01pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m cool with it as long as he’s not caught on camera groping dudes!

just helpin out /

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:26:43pm
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Mike Lamb  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:33:37pm

re: #134 Dave In Austin

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Right, because the DNC hasn’t been preaching women’s health care issues; equal pay; etc. etc.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:34:45pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:34:50pm

re: #132 retired cynic

Randy Rainbow is on Fresh Air right now…

Just one more terrible thing NPR does to us 🤔

//s

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:37:06pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

crypto-currencies have got to be the biggest fucking scam on trading markets since the tulip bubble

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:38:22pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:39:20pm

Look out, birbs. They’re coming for you.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:40:36pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just looked very quickly, but it seems like Cornyn is getting pwned in the responses…

Huh, pwned no longer gets the red squiggly of misspelling.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:42:48pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Or bad grammar/punctuation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:44:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:45:53pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

So true. That was a beautiful sight. :)

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Ming5000  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:46:05pm

re: #174 KGxvi

I just looked very quickly, but it seems like Cornyn is getting pwned in the responses…

Huh, pwned no longer gets the red squiggly of misspelling.

I am finding that when I used “pwned” to younger people I get the thousand yard store.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:46:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:47:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:49:55pm
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TedStriker  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:53:36pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Gaining some traction?

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:54:09pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

I appreciate what Greene was trying to do, but I’m still of the mind that it needs to be a full blown impeachment inquiry… multiple committees investigating multiple issues resulting in potentially dozens of articles of impeachment.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:54:11pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

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Note in this very thread, the number was pegged at 85. The number keeps growing, despite the best efforts of the leadership to quash all talk of impeachment.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:55:06pm

FYI: Meijer’s provides certain drugs for free:

Here’s how the program works:
Any customer is eligible to participate in the program, the only requirement is a prescription from a doctor for an available medicine. Prescriptions are free regardless of insurance or co-pay. Customers just need to walk in, show their prescription, and walk back out.

Free medication:
Here are the nine drugs Meijer offers for free:

Metformin Immediate release
Atorvastatin Calcium
Prenatal Vitamins
Amoxicillin
Cephalexin
SMZ-TMP
Ciprofloxacin in 250, 500 and 750mgs
Ampicillin
Penicillin VK

They also give drugs away for pets as well.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:55:42pm

re: #182 TedStriker

Gaining some traction?

Looks like, since that number was as of a couple days ago.

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gwangung  Jul 17, 2019 • 2:58:06pm

re: #186 KGxvi

So where does the general population stand? If it’s still in the 50s and 60s against, there’s reason to stall…..

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:01:12pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Note in this very thread, the number was pegged at 85. The number keeps growing, despite the best efforts of the leadership to quash all talk of impeachment.

Note that, as I pegged it, the number was actually the Reps who have publicly announced supporting. OTOH, now there’s no excuse for anyone here, ANYONE, to think that it’s Pelosi squashing talk of impeachment. 95 isn’t even half of the Democrats.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:02:04pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

That video has been on Youtube for almost 4 years and just has 164 views.

It’s interesting how something catches on in culture, specifically Youtube, while others remain dormant.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:03:34pm

re: #187 gwangung

So where does the general population stand? If it’s still in the 50s and 60s against, there’s reason to stall…..

It’s circular logic: “We can’t pursue impeachment until the public is informed enough to support it, but informing the public through impeachment hearings is a mistake because the public doesn’t support impeachment.”

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:06:32pm

re: #187 gwangung

So where does the general population stand? If it’s still in the 50s and 60s against, there’s reason to stall…..

Per the Hill:

The survey, conducted by hill.tv and the HarrisX polling company, found that 40 percent of registered voters polled said House Democrats should begin impeachment proceedings, while 41 percent said Democrats in the chamber should not begin the process.

Nineteen percent of respondents said they were unsure on the matter.

Again… I’m not suggesting that the vote should be immediate, that is going to go over like a wet fart in church. But we need something more than the bullshit weak ass “oversight” the House leadership has been offering the last few weeks.

I fully believe if there was someone out there, leading the charge daily for an impeachment inquiry, constantly reminding people of all the potential illegal/unlawful/unconstitutional things that Trump has been doing, the numbers would continue to move.

And if the Dem leadership was smart, they’d find someone and tell them, “look, we have to take the fire for our members in moderate/conservative districts, but we’re tapping you to do this; you’re not going to have our outward support… yet, but lead the charge in creating a scenario where we have to act.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:07:19pm

re: #188 Belafon

Note that, as I pegged it, the number was actually the Reps who have publicly announced supporting. OTOH, now there’s no excuse for anyone here, ANYONE, to think that it’s Pelosi squashing talk of impeachment. 95 isn’t even half of the Democrats.

You’re right, how could anyone think that the job of a leader is to lead people to support something.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:07:53pm

So I see the next Democratic debate will have… 20 candidates.

20.

That seems like 10 too many.

Maybe it’s just me.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:08:27pm

re: #193 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So I see the next Democratic debate will have… 20 candidates.

20.

That seems like 10 too many.

Maybe it’s just me.

Seems like about 12-15 too many, really.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:08:49pm

re: #187 gwangung

So where does the general population stand? If it’s still in the 50s and 60s against, there’s reason to stall…..

Pelosi can count.

Youtube Video

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:09:51pm

re: #189 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

That video has been on Youtube for almost 4 years and just has 164 views.

It’s interesting how something catches on in culture, specifically Youtube, while others remain dormant.

And if everybody here watches it at least twice, maybe it won’t go viral, but maybe a fungus….then bacteria…

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:10:14pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

You’re right, how could anyone think that the job of a leader is to lead people to support something.

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Never been a leader of strong willed people, I see. Pelosi is a first among equals, but Democrats are not Republicans.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:11:09pm

I’ve been thinking about what a non-racist conservative party might look like. The current GOP’s only economic policy is to redistribute as much wealth as possible to the 1%, so all it has to offer to the middle class is culture wars, so in order to give up racism the GOP would have to reorder its priorities so that it has something else to offer. I don’t believe its even possible, but here are my thoughts anyway. To keep government limited and keep most people from needing government assistance, a conservative party could support unionization so that workers had the leverage to freely bargain for decent wages. It would also emphasize a lower tax burden on people in the lower half of the income ladder to put more money in the hands of people who need it, instead of tax cuts for the rich. It would quit denying science and support cap and trade to accurately price carbon in the energy market. It would support its own freaking market exchange plan, the ACA, so people could keep their private health insurance in opposition to Medicare4all. It would still be socially conservative, but with contraceptives being free with the ACA unplanned pregnancies are going down, and it would support programs to enable ordinary people to afford families, such as paid parental leave and affordable daycare, and it would support investment in our future like education and infrastructure. A sane conservative party, but one I don’t expect to see in my lifetime.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:12:07pm

re: #134 Dave In Austin

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:12:11pm

20…. which is the same number of wrestlers that the Japanese promotion NJPW have in their big wrestling tournament:

NJPW G1 Climax 29 schedule, blocks, bracket, results, 2019 dates, live stream, matches

Perhaps the DNC should do their thing like NJPW.

Put the 20 candidates into two blocks.

In each block, each candidate goes one-on-one with the others, so each candidate gets 9 mini-debates (say 20 minutes).

Makes for a total of 90 mini-debates, but spread over a month period it wouldn’t be too bad. And we’d be able to see how the individuals do in response to real questions.

Each debate can be scored. Then the A block winner faces the B block winner for a longer debate.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:12:45pm

She can’t make that one chairman (I cannot think of his name) take Trump’s state tax returns that New York has offered.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:14:28pm

re: #197 Belafon

Never been a leader of strong willed people, I see. Pelosi is a first among equals, but Democrats are not Republicans.

So then what was the point of supporting her for Speaker, aside from institutional momentum?

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:14:37pm

re: #200 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

20…. which is the same number of wrestlers that the Japanese promotion NJPW have in their big wrestling tournament:

NJPW G1 Climax 29 schedule, blocks, bracket, results, 2019 dates, live stream, matches

Perhaps the DNC should do their thing like NJPW.

Put the 20 candidates into two blocks.

In each block, each candidate goes one-on-one with the others, so each candidate gets 9 mini-debates (say 20 minutes).

Makes for a total of 90 mini-debates, but spread over a month period it wouldn’t be too bad. And we’d be able to see how the individuals do in response to real questions.

Each debate can be scored. Then the A block winner faces the B block winner for a longer debate.

That final is bound to be a full Broadway match with a Dusty Finish…

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:14:56pm

re: #200 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

20…. which is the same number of wrestlers that the Japanese promotion NJPW have in their big wrestling tournament:

NJPW G1 Climax 29 schedule, blocks, bracket, results, 2019 dates, live stream, matches

Perhaps the DNC should do their thing like NJPW.

Put the 20 candidates into two blocks.

In each block, each candidate goes one-on-one with the others, so each candidate gets 9 mini-debates (say 20 minutes).

Makes for a total of 90 mini-debates, but spread over a month period it wouldn’t be too bad. And we’d be able to see how the individuals do in response to real questions.

Each debate can be scored. Then the A block winner faces the B block winner for a longer debate.

Running for office should go back to being a career move, not a career.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:15:04pm

re: #200 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

20…. which is the same number of wrestlers that the Japanese promotion NJPW have in their big wrestling tournament:

NJPW G1 Climax 29 schedule, blocks, bracket, results, 2019 dates, live stream, matches

Perhaps the DNC should do their thing like NJPW.

Put the 20 candidates into two blocks.

In each block, each candidate goes one-on-one with the others, so each candidate gets 9 mini-debates (say 20 minutes).

Makes for a total of 90 mini-debates, but spread over a month period it wouldn’t be too bad. And we’d be able to see how the individuals do in response to real questions.

Each debate can be scored. Then the A block winner faces the B block winner for a longer debate.

Let dozens of candidates debate, no matter how implausible. Then feed the 3 lowest-juried losers to NYC subway rats. The field will shake out in no time.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:16:38pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

Running for office should go back to being a career move, not a career.

It’s always been a career. The anti-career politician bullshit (in small part) helped get us Trump.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:20:55pm

re: #206 KGxvi

It’s always been a career. The anti-career politician bullshit (in small part) helped get us Trump.

Serving in office can be a career, but not running for office. Some places have ‘citizen legislatures’, that don’t meet ALL year, so they can keep their real job. Hard to see how that could work most places, especially at the Federal level.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:24:09pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:25:41pm
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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:26:13pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

Serving in office can be a career, but not running for office. Some places have ‘citizen legislatures’, that don’t meet ALL year, so they can keep their real job. Hard to see how that could work most places, especially at the Federal level.

Because of how elections are staggered at the federal, state, and local levels, there’s basically always someone running for some office somewhere. Throw in the way we’ve expanded the calendar on presidential elections (and that in turn trickling down to Congressional elections) and the next election cycle basically starts a week after the election. I just don’t know how we stop that, especially when there is a talk radio/cable news industrial complex to feed now.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:26:42pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

Serving in office can be a career, but not running for office. Some places have ‘citizen legislatures’, that don’t meet ALL year, so they can keep their real job. Hard to see how that could work most places, especially at the Federal level.

One of our winning black candidates was a corrections officer. When he swore in to the token income of the state legislature, they passed a law prohibiting double-dipping. He held fast, taking an income hit.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:28:13pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Good.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:29:00pm

re: #208 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can’t wait for the part of the alt-right revolution where they kindly remind the Irish and Italians that they ain’t white and to GTFO.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:29:34pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Let dozens of candidates debate, no matter how implausible. Then feed the 3 lowest-juried losers to NYC subway rats. The field will shake out in no time.

This. Culling the field and population control in one simple maneuver.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:31:08pm

re: #214 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This. Culling the field and population control in one simple maneuver.

Just incentivizing a little self-discipline.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:31:53pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:35:31pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

As the great Yogi Berra said, “It ain’t over until it is over.” And this is not over; it has yet to begin.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:39:44pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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He is legitimately stupid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:42:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:42:28pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

“This should never be allowed to happen to another President.”

Well, see there’s this pesky thing called the Constitution…

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:42:40pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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To hear some on the other side of the aisle, he’s absolutely correct. The arguments may be different, but there seems to be at least some agreement on the conclusion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:43:59pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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the moron really believes that he has been acquitted?

He has no freaking idea what the actual vote was about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:47:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:49:42pm

heh

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plansbandc  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:51:41pm

My Trump Kittens and Make Trump 8 again extensions aren’t working on the stupid new twitter. Damn it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:52:48pm

OT I just saw a wasp between my front door and screen door. I did not see anything that looked like a nest. I personally think that it is looking for a place to hide from the heat and incoming storm. I still have my spray and there is plenty left.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:53:50pm

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

OT I just saw a wasp between my front door and screen door. I did not see anything that looked like a nest. I personally think that it is looking for a place to hide from the heat and incoming storm. I still have my spray and there is plenty left.

…and you know how to use it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:54:23pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes I do. :)

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:55:04pm

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He bragged about sexual assault and no one gave a shit.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:57:01pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

I’ll never understand this “rebuilt military” nonsense. If anything it should make people question why we spend more than most nation’s annual GDP’s on it and it needed to be “rebuilt.”

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:58:46pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

They look like they’re taking leaks at the urinal.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 3:59:27pm

re: #218 Mike Lamb

He is legitimately stupid.

The age old doctrine of “no take backs, no do overs!”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:00:51pm

re: #230 Ace Rothstein

I’ll never understand this “rebuilt military” nonsense. If anything it should make people question why we spend more than most nation’s annual GDP’s on it and it needed to be “rebuilt.”

Two wars in tandem truly put immense physical and personnel hits on readiness. I’ve seen what was left of a brigade’s armor after the “benign” Desert Shield expedition. At one time after the fall of Saddam, Anniston Army Depot had several years of repair backlog. Then we can talk about the men and women who have gone through 2 and 3 deployments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:02:24pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Two wars in tandem truly put immense physical and personnel hits on readiness. I’ve seen what was left of a brigade’s armor after the “benign” Desert Shield expedition. At one time after the fall of Saddam, Anniston Army Depot had several years of repair backlog. Then we can talk about the men and women who have gone through 2 and 3 deployments.

except the moron’s bragging about rebuilt military didn’t address any of that

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:02:43pm

re: #230 Ace Rothstein

I’ll never understand this “rebuilt military” nonsense. If anything it should make people question why we spend more than most nation’s annual GDP’s on it and it needed to be “rebuilt.”

There are traditionally two “rebuild the military” arguments.

The first is that the previous administration didn’t pay enough attention and let our bases/service members/equipment fall into disuse/disrepair and now we need to modernize.

The second is that we’ve been too active with our military and need to replenish.

In Trump’s case he’s just a fucking asshole with no clue how things work so he just says random words he’s heard other politicians use in the past.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:04:12pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

except the moron’s bragging about rebuilt military didn’t address any of that

He’s waiting for the real briefing from the Fox News military correspondent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:04:48pm

re: #235 KGxvi

In Trump’s case he’s just a fucking asshole with no clue how things work so he just says random words he’s heard other politicians use in the past.

to him, it means steam catapults and redesigned aircraft and other useless shit

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:05:24pm

re: #235 KGxvi

There are traditionally two “rebuild the military” arguments.

The first is that the previous administration didn’t pay enough attention and let our bases/service members/equipment fall into disuse/disrepair and now we need to modernize.

The second is that we’ve been too active with our military and need to replenish.

In Trump’s case he’s just a fucking asshole with no clue how things work so he just says random words he’s heard other politicians use in the past.

Neither is really an argument that wingnuts ever make. For them, “rebuilt” means the DoD’s wish list of various paper projects and prototypes got approved for the latest fiscal year.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:08:09pm

The pro-military fanaticism is a compensation for feelings of personal weakness and failure.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:09:48pm

re: #239 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The pro-military fanaticism is a compensation for feelings of personal weakness and failure.

And a profit-making venture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:12:49pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:12:59pm
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sagehen  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:13:55pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

Neither is really an argument that wingnuts ever make. For them, “rebuilt” means the DoD’s wish list of various paper projects and prototypes got approved for the latest fiscal year.

It’s not even DoD’s wish list… when the Republicans are in charge of Congress, they vote for acquisitions the Pentagon doesn’t even want. Stuff that isn’t needed, doesn’t work, and is way more expensive than the needed and/or working stuff that it’s supposed to replace.

It’s because defense contractors (aka the military-industrial complex) has been proactive in situating their make-work factories in hundreds of congressional districts.

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:15:02pm

re: #242 Ace Rothstein

Host Martha MacCallum called him on it

I’m not clicking to play the video, but I’m impressed by that…

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:15:59pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

Neither is really an argument that wingnuts ever make. For them, “rebuilt” means the DoD’s wish list of various paper projects and prototypes got approved for the latest fiscal year.

I think they make a bad faith version of the first one, especially after replacing a Democrat.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:17:05pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

And a profit-making venture.

True, but modern war is hideously expensive—another good reason to avoid it until all else has failed. If we have one or two technically competent enemies, a lot of the budget goes to maintaining a chosen level of parity. We must run near full speed just to stay in one place.

In the last 30 years, our docrtine has actually stepped back a couple times from the cold war goal of successfully fighting two intercontinental conflicts simultaneously.

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William Lewis  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:17:44pm

re: #243 sagehen

It’s not even DoD’s wish list… when the Republicans are in charge of Congress, they vote for acquisitions the Pentagon doesn’t even want. Stuff that isn’t needed, doesn’t work, and is way more expensive than the needed and/or working stuff that it’s supposed to replace.

It’s because defense contractors (aka the military-industrial complex) has been proactive in situating their make-work factories in hundreds of congressional districts.

I remember a while back the Air Force wanted more Boeing C17’s but the Congresscritters in Lockheed districts got it changed to more C130s that the Air Force didn’t want.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:18:15pm

I fucking hate this guy.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:18:29pm

re: #243 sagehen

It’s not even DoD’s wish list… when the Republicans are in charge of Congress, they vote for acquisitions the Pentagon doesn’t even want. Stuff that isn’t needed, doesn’t work, and is way more expensive than the needed and/or working stuff that it’s supposed to replace.

It’s because defense contractors (aka the military-industrial complex) has been proactive in situating their make-work factories in hundreds of congressional districts.

Weaponized Keynesianism

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Old Liberal  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:19:19pm

re: #247 William Lewis

I remember a while back the Air Force wanted more Boeing C17’s but the Congresscritters in Lockheed districts got it changed to more C130s that the Air Force didn’t want.

I always laugh when people think our government isn’t corrupt.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:20:30pm

Elad hits a hot button here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:21:18pm

re: #248 MsJ

I fucking hate this guy.

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pretty sure Lindsey said he refused to read the report

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:21:55pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

I’m sad to hear this news. Have been a PP donor for years now. I hope that supporters step up to donate — especially those with deep pockets. Conservatives won this battle but may lose the war. The next Democratic President must reverse Trump’s sabotage and if Congress is controlled by Democrats, legislation should be passed to protect PP.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:21:55pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

True, but modern war is hideously expensive—another good reason to avoid it until all else has failed. If we have one or two technically competent enemies, a lot of the budget goes to maintaining a chosen level of parity. We must run near full speed just to stay in one place.

In the last 30 years, our docrtine has actually stepped back a couple times from the cold war goal of successfully fighting two intercontinental conflicts simultaneously.

Those who profit from war must be kept away from the government. Down to the lobbyists.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:24:11pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:24:44pm

Trump should be impeached for the way he dances in that video.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:26:12pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Those who profit from war must be kept away from the government. Down to the lobbyists.

While the RL dynamic is just the opposite. There are studies on the post-retirement careers of generals and admirals. They fill the boardrooms not only of DoD-related businesses, but almost all US institutions.

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William Lewis  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:27:35pm

re: #251 The Pie Overlord!

Elad seems to be a very interesting writer. I should read more from him.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:29:32pm

Trump’s cross burning just started.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:31:30pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:33:09pm

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

Trump’s cross burning just started.

And already he’s declared that today’s vote means “IMPEACHMENT IS OVER!”

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KGxvi  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:33:46pm

re: #260 The Pie Overlord!

Opening with Freebird… interesting strategy, Cotton, let’s see if it works.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:35:37pm

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

Trump’s cross burning just started.

Do you mean the NC klan-bake? When we say “cross burning” around here, it’s not a literary allusion.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:35:52pm

The trees are blowing around from the wind. It is getting dark. It looks like that storm is coming in.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:38:46pm

Adam Silverman’s take:

I’m traveling this week, with lots of 0300 starts and wasn’t planning to post, but I just got into the gym at the airport hotel I’m staying at ahead of tomorrow’s pre dawn flight, and MSNBC is on the TV. And the Democrats are actually voting to table (put it to the side and not take up impeachment) an impeachment resolution of the President. This is happening despite only 89 members of the House Democratic caucus publicly stating they support starting an impeachment inquiry!

I have no idea whose idea this is, but I cannot state loudly or strongly enough how galactically stupid this is. Strategic and political malpractice at the highest levels! When this passes, meaning the House will not move to take up impeachment at this time, and it will pass, the President will spend the next week crowing about how he’s been cleared. He’ll use it to chew up the information space that should be devoted to the spillover onto him from the Epstein case, from his publicly going full in on blood and soil herrenvolkism where racism and anti-Semitism in defense of Judaism and Jews equated with Israel and Israelis is no vice, and the upcoming Mueller hearings in the House.

The motion to table just passed: 136 Democrats for, 93 against, and 1 present (abstaining). 194 Republicans and the 1 Independent (Amash?) voted to table it as well. So for now, the House, with overwhelming bipartisan support, isn’t going to do anything more on impeachment and I expect the President will start screaming about being cleared any time now.

Completely irresponsible political theater!

Open thread!

PS: Before anyone asks, I think the House should have a special select committee on impeachment focusing all the investigations through one point leading to either impeachment or exoneration. That’s not what happened with today’s strategic stupidity.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:40:16pm

Did you know there are rainbow unicorns in the Bible?

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:41:30pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

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In this case, Trump’s racism is driving everything. There’s no plan.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:41:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:44:00pm

Lre: #268 The Pie Overlord!

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He’s not going to accept the results.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:44:36pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:45:45pm

re: #270 The Pie Overlord!

Huh? DT sounds like he is making things up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:45:48pm

Narrator’s Voice: Rand doesn’t give a rat’s ass

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:46:10pm

re: #270 The Pie Overlord!

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JFC. He just won’t shut the fuck up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:46:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:46:37pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Narrator’s Voice: Rand doesn’t give a rat’s ass

Rand doesn’t care about anyone but Rand.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:47:07pm

re: #274 The Pie Overlord!

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Hes trying to get her killed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:47:19pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:48:03pm

It wouldn’t be a Nuremberg Rally without Donny lying about the “thousands and thousands” who are outside, unable to get in to attend his rally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:48:15pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:49:20pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:49:22pm

Quick reminder that tonight’s Trump rally was scheduled for today because they thought Mueller was going to testify today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:49:47pm

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

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This is a Nuremberg rally in the 21st century.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:49:48pm

re: #271 PhillyPretzel

Huh? DT sounds like he is making things up.

No — he’s picking that old libel up from some RW sewers in Twitter and other social media, and maybe liars like Breitbart etc

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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:50:53pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:50:55pm

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

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Donny’s found his new target now that Hillary isn’t running anymore. “Send Her Back!” is to be the new “Lock Her Up!”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:51:37pm

re: #284 Dread Pirate

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Bullshit David Duke fanboy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:51:54pm

JFC

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:52:14pm

Won’t hold my breath waiting the for The Turtle to ask Trump to stick to civil discourse.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:52:37pm

re: #287 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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God just shut the fuck up already.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:54:17pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

My ward leader and I said that before DT was the GOP nominee. He hasn’t shut up since.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:54:55pm

re: #290 PhillyPretzel

My ward leader and I said that before DT was the GOP nominee. He hasn’t shut up since.

I’m sure people in NYC have been saying it since the 70’s.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:55:00pm

re: #288 Feline Fearless Leader

Won’t hold my breath waiting the for The Turtle to ask Trump to stick to civil discourse.

Yertle: “We need to cool things down…”

Donny: “I CAN’T HEAR YOU OVER MY FLAMETHROWER!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:55:14pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

Donny’s found his new target now that Hillary isn’t running anymore. “Send Her Back!” is to be the new “Lock Her Up!”

I wonder if William Barr finally persuaded Trump that after his in-depth investigation, there wasn’t sufficient evidence to indict Hillary. Sort of like Barr vocally supported the census question after the SC decision and then somehow got Trump to back off (at least that seems to have happened).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:56:18pm

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

I wonder if William Barr finally persuaded Trump that after his in-depth investigation, there wasn’t sufficient evidence to indict Hillary. Sort of like Barr vocally supported the census question after the SC decision and then somehow got Trump to back off (at least that seems to have happened).

Barr probably told him to just focus his venom on new targets.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:58:29pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Barr probably told him to just focus his venom on new targets.

Or we could split the difference and assume that Barr has tried to advise Trump, but Donny was too busy watching Faux’s Two Minutes Hate going on about AOC to care.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:58:58pm

re: #295 Targetpractice

Or we could split the difference and assume that Barr has tried to advise Trump, but Donny was too busy watching Faux’s Two Minutes Hate going on about AOC to care.

That sounds right.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 4:59:50pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:01:26pm

He’s practicing stochastic terrorism, and it’s not even remotely subtle. If you or I did this, the FBI or Secret Service would be at the front door. Enough of this shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:01:41pm

re: #297 The Pie Overlord!

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No one tells them to leave when they complain but it’s different because they’re white. This man is a fucking demagogue and he’s only going to get worse. I respect Pelosi but impeach him now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:02:20pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

He’s practicing stochastic terrorism, and it’s not even remotely subtle. If you or I did this, the FBI or Secret Service would be at the front door. Enough of this shit.

He knows that Barr will protect him. It’s such a brazen abuse of power.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:02:50pm

re: #297 The Pie Overlord!

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He’s found a rich vein of racial resentment and is mining it for all its worth. His audience doesn’t give a shit about his economic “achievements” because they’re not seeing any of it themselves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:03:26pm
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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:03:31pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do they claim they’re random?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:04:06pm

re: #303 Belafon

Do they claim they’re random?

yes

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Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:04:26pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

He’s found a rich vein of racial resentment and is mining it for all its worth. His audience doesn’t give a shit about his economic “achievements” because they’re not seeing any of it themselves.

The choir he’s preaching to has neither grown or diminished much over the last year.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:04:44pm
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:05:08pm

So Trump’s klan rally went predictably.

Trump’s not even hiding his racism, and his crowd has gone full Klan/white supremacist.

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Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:06:03pm

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:06:24pm

He knows his base loves it. We are seeing before our eyes how Hitler succeeded.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:06:29pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

Presiding over a strong and stable economy that you inherited doesn’t change fact that Trump’s a white supremacist and the GOP has gone full Klan. The GOP is irredeemable.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:06:45pm

re: #307 lawhawk

So Trump’s klan rally went predictably.

Trump’s not even hiding his racism, and his crowd has gone full Klan/white supremacist.

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He did everything but walk out on the stage in sheets, but the media can’t say “racist,” so we’re going to get more victim-blaming in the way of arguing these women brought it upon themselves by saying mean things about Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:07:13pm

re: #308 Interesting Times

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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With friends like these, who needs enemies?

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:07:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:07:52pm

Part of me wonders if the self fancied revolutionaries may have some valid points.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:09:15pm

re: #308 Interesting Times

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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I’ve no doubt that this “House Dem” is one of the party moderates that we’re told are such “strong personalities” that Nancy can do little but go along with them.

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Old Liberal  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:09:23pm

re: #308 Interesting Times

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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There’s what, 240 Democratic reps? I would expect 20% to be dumbasses of one variety or another.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:09:57pm

re: #308 Interesting Times

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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There’s an actual Democratic coward. Trump associated immigrants with Democrats and the GOP lost the House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:10:13pm

re: #308 Interesting Times

If the so-called “house dem” quoted here is real, he (and I’m 99.9% sure it’s a “he”) deserves to have his sorry ass primaried (because pols like him are the true reason GOPers have won as long as they have):

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Steny Hoyer or one of his gang

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:10:53pm

That’s Saudi style.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:10:57pm

re: #317 Belafon

There’s an actual Democratic coward. Trump associated immigrants with Democrats and the GOP lost the House.

He’s probably one of those red district Dems that thinks he speaks for “ Real America”

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:10:59pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

I’ve no doubt that this “House Dem” is one of the party moderates that we’re told are such “strong personalities” that Nancy can do little but go along with them.

Probably Hoyer, the number 2 guy.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:11:20pm

re: #317 Belafon

There’s an actual Democratic coward. Trump associated immigrants with Democrats and the GOP lost the House.

I thought they lost the House because of healthcare? At least, that’s what I constantly get told when anyone brings up anti-Trump resentment that was big in a lot of 2018 campaigns.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:11:33pm

re: #319 The Pie Overlord!

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That’s Saudi style.

Yep and Trump loves Saudi style as long as they pay him.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:12:00pm

re: #321 Belafon

Probably Hoyer, the number 2 guy.

Who seems to be the real Speaker, while Pelosi just holds the gavel.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:12:05pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steny Hoyer or one of his gang

Yep, remember Hoyer stood in front of AIPAC and insulted Omar.

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Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:12:37pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steny Hoyer or one of his gang

Maybe it’s the corrupt dolt who refuses to fetch trump’s NY state tax returns (and we’re seriously supposed to believe Pelosi can’t do anything about that? How about booting him from the committee he leads?? I daresay a potted plant would be more effective in the role).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:13:47pm

JFC

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:13:56pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

I thought they lost the House because of healthcare? At least, that’s what I constantly get told when anyone brings up anti-Trump resentment that was big in a lot of 2018 campaigns.

It doesn’t contradict what I said. No matter how hard Trump tried to tie immigration to the Democrats, they still lost the House, including three of the four Iowa seats.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:14:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:15:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:15:25pm

re: #329 Dread Pirate

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Yeah fuck you Yertle.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:15:51pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

Who seems to be the real Speaker, while Pelosi just holds the gavel.

Yeah, look at how well he’s controlling Omar, AOC, Pressley, and Tlaib, and the other 91 members. A real leader by your definition.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:15:53pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It has gotten worse.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:16:52pm

re: #328 Belafon

It doesn’t contradict what I said. No matter how hard Trump tried to tie immigration to the Democrats, they still lost the House, including three of the four Iowa seats.

He’s changed strategies, from attacking Dems for being opposed to his wall, to attacking them for opposing “enforcing the law.” The former may have been a political loser for him, but I imagine if we look to the polls, there’s even a lot of Dems who will grudgingly admit they are all for “enforcing the law.”

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Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:17:43pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

Donny’s found his new target now that Hillary isn’t running anymore. “Send Her Back!” is to be the new “Lock Her Up!”

Look who just stole your line:

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:17:47pm

Storms rolling in here in NYC metro. Temp went from 90 to 75 in the past few minutes… but the humidity is still sky high. Watches and warnings abound.

Ugh.

Where’d I put my wine.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:18:37pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

It has gotten worse.

He has gotten worse, for sure. I personally feel that he knows he’s trapped, and is lashing out in the hope of getting free. We can’t give up.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:18:43pm

re: #332 Belafon

Yeah, look at how well he’s controlling Omar, AOC, Pressley, and Tlaib, and the other 91 members. A real leader by your definition.

If he’s the one leading the opposition to those members of his caucus, then Nancy is certainly doing little to oppose him. Unless the whole “a glass of water with a ‘(D)’ next to it” was supposed to be a vote of support for them.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:19:59pm

re: #334 Targetpractice

He’s changed strategies, from attacking Dems for being opposed to his wall, to attacking them for opposing “enforcing the law.” The former may have been a political loser for him, but I imagine if we look to the polls, there’s even a lot of Dems who will grudgingly admit they are all for “enforcing the law.”

Remember “Democrats are for open borders” and “sanctuary cities”? He’s tried the law thing as well.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:20:23pm

re: #337 Belafon

He has gotten worse, for sure. I personally feel that he knows he’s trapped, and is lashing out in the hope of getting free. We can’t give up.

Yeah I’m not giving up. It is so exhausting but we’re closer to 2020 than not.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:22:09pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:22:43pm

re: #339 Belafon

Remember “Democrats are for open borders” and “sanctuary cities”? He’s tried the law thing as well.

Except now he’s getting at them for opposing holding refugees in camps and portraying their criticism of ICE/CBP as calls to “disband” them. And their position isn’t helped when they took a pinky-promise from Mike to keep them informed about deaths in those camps to agree to plowing more money into the whole mess.

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Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:23:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:24:32pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:24:42pm

👆👆👆👆👆👆

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:25:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:25:36pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Goddamn the lies.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:25:58pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s afraid of her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:26:12pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:26:28pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Suggestion to Warren: At first debate, offer to grant him his own Native American name: “Chief Running Eagle.”

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:27:25pm

re: #343 Interesting Times

I was going to say the same thing about Trump. He so wants it to be like the 70s and 80s, where he could count on 70% of whites going along with the racism and that winning him everything.

I wonder if the reason the media is buying is because they are focused on that group so much they are failing to see the rest of the country.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:27:44pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s never a good look to lie to the judge’s face in court.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:28:22pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:28:57pm

A DNA test has nothing to do with tribal membership.

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Skip Intro  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:29:55pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Suggestion to Warren: At first debate, offer to grant him his own Native American name: “Chief Running Eagle.”

Then the media will slam her for being disrespectfull while completely ignoring what Trump says.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:30:45pm

re: #352 Targetpractice

The passport could be a forgery, which only makes the case for the prosecutors (and adds to list of potential crimes). Or it’s legit, in which case Epstein has even more questions to answer for. The judge should rule against bail on that alone.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:30:51pm

re: #355 Skip Intro

Then the media will slam her for being disrespectfull while completely ignoring what Trump says.

No doubt the same media who will have simultaneous orgasms over Donny having managed to get through a debate without shitting himself on live TV.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:31:40pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Suggestion to Warren: At first debate, offer to grant him his own Native American name: “Chief Running Eagle.”

Chief Shitting Bull.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:32:03pm

re: #356 lawhawk

The passport could be a forgery, which only makes the case for the prosecutors (and adds to list of potential crimes). Or it’s legit, in which case Epstein has even more questions to answer for. The judge should rule against bail on that alone.

Right, telling the judge “That’s a fake that’s never been used!,” only for the prosecution to show the receipts is not really going to help their argument for letting him out on house arrest.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:32:45pm

re: #358 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Chief Shitting Bull.

Tweets like Toddler.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:33:00pm

re: #358 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Chief Shitting Bull.

I’m still partial to “Brokeahontas,” just to see him blow a fuse onstage screaming about how “rich” he is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:33:19pm

re: #353 The Pie Overlord!

Also, referring to native Americans as Indians is pretty fucking disrespectful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:34:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:34:42pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Tweets like Toddler.

Little Baby Hands

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EPR-radar  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:35:20pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Suggestion to Warren: At first debate, offer to grant him his own Native American name: “Chief Running Eagle.”

Chief Toad Dick.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:35:21pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“I have nothing to do!” insists man who campaigned 4 years ago on how he was going to be so busy presidenting, he’d have no time for golf or watching TV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:35:36pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:36:14pm

My congressman voted for impeachment.

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mmmirele  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:36:41pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

Look out, birbs. They’re coming for you.

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I was attacked by a pair of cardinals near the main building at the University of Houston one day. I hadn’t strayed off a path, I was very firmly on the path, but apparently a pair of cardinals had set up a nest nearby and would go after anyone who walked down that stretch of path. This was about 1988.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:37:00pm

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Chief Unindicted Coconspirator
Little Hands…. sounds like a porn name.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:37:47pm

I got $10 that says “Send her back” shirts will be on the Trump Store site by the end of the weekend.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:37:54pm

re: #368 Dread Pirate

Tabling the measure doesn’t stop impeachment. You can refer to Judiciary and get the ball rolling in committee. And that is on Nadler to move ahead.

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Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:38:03pm

re: #368 Dread Pirate

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My congressman voted for impeachment.

And mine voted for her political future, i.e. against impeachment.

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retired cynic  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:38:03pm

re: #336 lawhawk

Storms rolling in here in NYC metro. Temp went from 90 to 75 in the past few minutes… but the humidity is still sky high. Watches and warnings abound.

Ugh.

Where’d I put my wine.

We did that earlier here in IL. Temps went from over 90 to 70 in a blast, doors blew open, branches blew down… had a heavy flush of rain, but it was over in a hurry, leaving only about a half inch. Tomorrow, back up into mid to upper 90s, and probably more storms.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:38:36pm
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:40:44pm

re: #375 Dread Pirate

It’s cheaper and more effective to fight ebola at the source than to try and fight it once it breaks out from DR Congo and could spread worldwide.

Trump’s failing the nation and the world. Again.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:43:33pm

re: #376 lawhawk

It’s cheaper and more effective to fight ebola at the source than to try and fight it once it breaks out from DR Congo and could spread worldwide.

Trump’s failing the nation and the world. Again.

Trump doesn’t care if people die from Ebola in those “shithole” countries. In fact he wants them to die.

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retired cynic  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:46:03pm

This is really interesting. It is about the second and third parts of the plan.

How Kamala Harris Plans to Take on the Pharmaceutical Industry

What is unique about Harris’s plan is that she is increasingly developing proposals that include two tiers. The first tier includes legislation she would propose as president—like giving HHS the power to set limits on prescription drug prices. The second tier lays out how she would use existing executive authority if congress fails to act. She has done this with her proposals on gun control, equal pay, and immigration.

It is in this second tier of Harris’s plan for prescription drugs that her proposal stands out. Pharmaceutical companies found to be price-gouging will be given 30 days to offer a price reduction. If they fail to do so, alternatives will be approved for importation from other countries.

But the final step involves the use of existing authority under the Bayh-Dole Act to “march-in” and license a drug company’s patent to a lower-cost competitor. What Harris is proposing was described here at the Washington Monthly by Alicia Mundy, who wrote that the next president can lower drug prices with the stroke of a pen.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:47:23pm

re: #336 lawhawk

Same down here in Pretzel Land. Thunderstorm rumbling nearby, heavy rain, but not so much wind right now. And the same 20 degree drop in temp.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:50:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:51:15pm

re: #380 The Pie Overlord!

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His stupid supporters deserve to lose their 401Ks if they believe that.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:51:21pm

re: #359 Targetpractice

Right, telling the judge “That’s a fake that’s never been used!,” only for the prosecution to show the receipts is not really going to help their argument for letting him out on house arrest.

Am curious if the lawyers know they are lying, or if their client is lying to them. If the latter, they should quit now before they get themselves into trouble. If the former, I hope the judge comes down on them like a ton of bricks.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:51:45pm

WTFITS

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:56:13pm

re: #383 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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He’s trying, with his faculties failing, to keep the crowd engaged. I would bet that if you asked him at the end of this what year it was, he couldn’t tell you.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:57:29pm

re: #384 Belafon

Or day of the week or month…

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 5:59:57pm

re: #385 A Mom Anon

Or day of the week or month…

He probably could have told you at the beginning of the speech. But I bet this is all pretty draining on him, and it makes things worse.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:00:04pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:04:39pm

My Toy

Zero decided no one else will play with his toy.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:06:54pm
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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:07:32pm
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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:08:30pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:09:42pm

Superman, where are you now?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:10:49pm

re: #390 Belafon

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Exactly. They’re afraid and I’m glad. I’m glad demographics are changing.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:10:50pm

re: #392 DodgerFan1988

It’s dark…. so we’re in a DC comic movie?

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:11:49pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Suggestion to Warren: At first debate, offer to grant him his own Native American name: “Chief Running Eagle.”

Chief Running Mouth
Chief Verbal Diarrhea
Chief Lying Dog

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:16:53pm

re: #391 Belafon

How long before Bree Newsome is banned for using the n word on Twitter.

And yes I am still annoyed that a certain Babushka got shut down because Twitter is a poopy doo doo face head.

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sagehen  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:17:27pm

re: #375 Dread Pirate

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Maybe Bill Gates will give them the money.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:18:03pm

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

‘Send her back.”

…This is modern Republican code for “hang her from a tree.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:18:06pm

You know who was also calling MLK a communist? That “respectable” Bill Buckley.

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sagehen  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:18:29pm

re: #377 The Pie Overlord!

Trump doesn’t care if people die from Ebola in those “shithole” countries. In fact he wants them to die.

He doesn’t understand that viruses can’t read maps.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:21:28pm

Silly, stupid and the only way I can cope with all of the evil on display in the world tonight:

boredpanda.com

(Someday, that kid will succeed Boris as PM.)

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Chrysicat  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:30:17pm

Am I the first to point this out, or is it like four threads back instead?

OK, folks, at this point we really, really need an alternative for Twitter since it’s just gone Reddit-lite (though at ‘least’ only the original tweeter can hide the ratio here, where individual Redditors can downding anything to oblivion collectively). Trump’s tweets in particular are about to seem as though they never ratio.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:34:02pm

re: #390 Belafon

Lillian Smith wrote: “It’s high time we stopped giving the communists credit for every decent, brave, considerate act” white men might show in regard to black men.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:37:07pm

Well good night. I’m off to forget Trump is President for 8 hours.

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Chrysicat  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:39:17pm

Also, Happy, I’m envious of you that the majority of your dreams you forget he’s pREZIDENT.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:40:01pm

Update on VB’s Twitter. I am locked out of the account now (meaning Twitter scrambled my password). If I use “Forgot password” I get prompted to enter my phone number, so I cancel out because it’s the same phone number that I am currently using for Pie Overlord.

My guess is that the @viciousbabushka account name might end up being recycled or gifted to some bot or Trumporrhoid (this has already happened to several other Resistance accounts)

I curated VB for 9 years and collected 16K followers so this sucks but Twitter can do whatever they want.

This is just a “heads up” in case you see anyone else posting as VB, IT IS NOT ME.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:43:49pm

re: #405 Chrysicat

This is quite true.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:44:21pm

re: #405 Chrysicat

[Embedded content]

Also, Happy, I’m envious of you that the majority of your dreams you forget he’s pREZIDENT.

You do gotta love history. You just also have to realize that history was the past and not the present.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:47:42pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:50:09pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

KKKlexit

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:52:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:53:59pm

One of the best writers in America, tbh.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:54:30pm

re: #411 Ace-o-aces

“Think about all of my antisemitic friends that would have to leave.”

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Chrysicat  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:54:41pm

Was originally meaning to put this one up before those others, then I found out that I should start finding someplace else than Twitter to try to build clout (and IT prolly has yet to be built, since Mastodon seems tailor-made to only have self-segregated communities):

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:55:22pm

The national survey, conducted on Monday and Tuesday after Trump told the lawmakers they should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” showed his net approval among members of his Republican Party rose by 5 percentage points to 72%, compared with a similar poll that ran last week.

THIS IS WHO THEY ARE.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 6:56:16pm

re: #411 Ace-o-aces

So Ben is ok with everything up to that then? Silly me, of course he was. His paycheck depends on it. Plus, I think he really likes being a spiteful, lying shitmuffin. So every day is bonus day for Ben!!! Why is he such a miserable shit then?

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:00:32pm

re: #415 Eclectic Cyborg

The national survey, conducted on Monday and Tuesday after Trump told the lawmakers they should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” showed his net approval among members of his Republican Party rose by 5 percentage points to 72%, compared with a similar poll that ran last week.

THIS IS WHO THEY ARE.

67% is high, but the 5% was within the confidence interval, meaning it’s highly likely it was unchanged, which still says a lot about them.

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EPR-radar  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:03:06pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

You know who was also calling MLK a communist? That “respectable” Bill Buckley.

WF Buckley’s pretense of being civilized and reasonable may have been the origin story of the media’s Great Both-Siderist Lie.

After all, it is difficult to both-sides things if US conservatism is seen for what it so clearly is: a collage of resentment based politics where the sociopathic leaders gull stupid followers into scapegoating others as ‘solutions’ to their problems.

‘Federalism’ etc. from Buckley and the Natural Review sounds ever so much better than this.

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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:09:50pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:09:59pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Most of his supporters don’t even have 401ks.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:10:34pm

re: #420 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Most of his supporters don’t even have 401ks.

Why bother saving for retirement when you’re going to be raptured before you get to that point?

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TedStriker  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:12:40pm

re: #414 Chrysicat

Was originally meaning to put this one up before those others, then I found out that I should start finding someplace else than Twitter to try to build clout (and IT prolly has yet to be built, since Mastodon seems tailor-made to only have self-segregated communities):

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:13:07pm

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:19:52pm

re: #423 Dave In Austin

Who dat?

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Citizen K  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:25:10pm

re: #406 The Pie Overlord!

Update on VB’s Twitter. I am locked out of the account now (meaning Twitter scrambled my password). If I use “Forgot password” I get prompted to enter my phone number, so I cancel out because it’s the same phone number that I am currently using for Pie Overlord.

My guess is that the @viciousbabushka account name might end up being recycled or gifted to some bot or Trumporrhoid (this has already happened to several other Resistance accounts)

I curated VB for 9 years and collected 16K followers so this sucks but Twitter can do whatever they want.

This is just a “heads up” in case you see anyone else posting as VB, IT IS NOT ME.

They seem genuinely intent on going beyond fucking you over and other like users as well.

Meanwhile, Gab’s official account is verified.

Fellow travelers, all the way up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:26:39pm

re: #422 TedStriker

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:26:58pm

Extra bonus updings for anyone who can tell me what Lizard I thought of when I saw this sweet girl on the subway.

Instagram

#greyhoundsofinstagram #nycsubway

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:28:15pm

re: #415 Eclectic Cyborg

So we know this. They are operating off pure adrenaline and Spite. It’s more powerful of a hit than meth. And thousands of times more addictive. And here we are. Plus there’s a big giant orange fire hose spewing fresh batches of that shit every day.

We also know that these fucks will crawl over broken glass to vote for the Spite Caucus. Over and over, with glass cutting into their vacant souls. Proudly and with a smugness that is truly evil. Evangelicals vote in such huge numbers that their mere 15 or so percent of America’s total tips elections regularly. Throw in a complicit media and stupid, shortsighted, spoiled and selfish population and it’s overwhelming.

But we can win this. There are more of us. Turn out has GOT to be key. And we need more smart and savvy people with support to run. A lot of areas have no ground game at ALL. Our biggest mistakes seem to center around letting the media set the message. It’s not just politics, look just at how rape gets talked about in the media. That’s not the only topic they contort and twist to shape cultural ideas and reinforce really awful shit. Even with good turnout, the media is still awful and it’s not serving in our best interests.

That to me is one of our biggest challenges, consistent fighting back against all this mess. I’ve thought for a long time that action has got to be directed at media outlets, but I have no idea how to make that work. Wingnuts already lose their shit and jam phone lines and harass and scare people and intimidate. How can we get any results without getting in people’s faces? Because being nice and taking the high road doesn’t work with people who want you to go away and die. We find ourselves here in a big part because accurate information is terribly difficult for the average person to come by and our media is mostly awful. Look at how successful this has been and for how long. Media made this much easier than it ever should have been. Somethings, lots of things need to be fixed.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:28:32pm

re: #427 I Would Prefer Not To

Rango!!

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:31:00pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:31:14pm

Should I be encouraged, or appalled?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:31:39pm

re: #429 Patricia Kayden

Rango!!

Close. I did say Lizard. Maybe Rango does log on. Who knows?

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:32:44pm

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At least people want to know what the words mean….

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:32:59pm

re: #411 Ace-o-aces

Omar is a “radical anti-Semite”? Really? I love how he throws lies around so nonchalantly.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2019 • 7:38:55pm

re: #434 Patricia Kayden

I think he means she’s brown and wears a funny thing on her head and it hurts his brain because he’s not very bright. She’s also going to do more good with her life than he could ever comprehend.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 8:07:44pm

re: #368 Dread Pirate

[Embedded content]

My congressman voted for impeachment.

So did mine—Jimmy Gomez (CA)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2019 • 8:15:12pm

re: #390 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Reminder of what a racist William F Buckley was.

James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)


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