The Bob Cesca Podcast: Those Pesky Garbage Brain Shit People

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Billings, Barrett & Bowman, LLC:

Garbage Brain Shit People — NSFW! Bob is on vacation next week; The Goth Ninjas Jody Hamilton and David TRex Ferguson are here today; Trump’s racist rally; Send Her Back; The Red Hats; Jesse Watters latest awfulness; Trump gets polling bump from Republicans; Jeffrey Epstein denied bail; SDNY ends its probe into the Trump Organization’s hush money payments; The creepy video of Trump with Epstein; Rand Paul blocked 911 victims fund; With music by Central City; and more!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 3:45:32pm

Remember. there is always a bigger fish in the sea:

Oh My Grouper, Look at that Shark: Windows to the Deep 2019

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 3:50:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 3:53:34pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Remember. there is always a bigger fish in the sea:

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Video

that grouper has moseying along down to an artform

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:04:51pm

Evening Lizardim. We replaced Mrs. Fish’s fishmobile today. And now her watch is ended. How go things among the lizardfolk on this blazing hot summer Thursday?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:06:16pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. We replaced Mrs. Fish’s fishmobile today. And now her watch is ended. How go things among the lizardfolk on this blazing hot summer Thursday?

maybe the fishmobile just needs to spend a decade or so alongside a fence.

just for a much needed break.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:07:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:10:36pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:19:33pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe the fishmobile just needs to spend a decade or so alongside a fence.

just for a much needed break.

It did wonders for her older sister, I suppose.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:21:30pm

Trump condemns “Send Her Back” chants, which means we can be sure that when they happen at his next rally, all he’ll be able to do is whine that he has no control over his supporters.

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:27:19pm
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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:28:37pm

Right response, wrong tweet replied to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:29:35pm

re: #11 MsJ

Right response, wrong tweet replied to.

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really need to send VB’s photo in reply to that

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:31:06pm

re: #10 MsJ

MGS: It is not standard policy to throw away the personal possessions of people seeking asylum in this country, is it?

They feel that the Principle of Deterrence justifies their actions, even against children.

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Interesting Times  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:35:25pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:36:17pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Trump condemns “Send Her Back” chants, which means we can be sure that when they happen at his next rally, all he’ll be able to do is whine that he has no control over his supporters.

“Some people say that you’re not supposed to say that! Some people say it’s a bad thing!”

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:37:32pm

re: #14 Interesting Times

Is there raw data on the numbers of each category? I mean 5000 Clinton voters vs 87 trump voters.

I want numbers not percent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:38:13pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Trump condemns “Send Her Back” chants, which means we can be sure that when they happen at his next rally, all he’ll be able to do is whine that he has no control over his supporters.

He condemns people supporting what he tweeted?

I guess he does because he know he can get away with it…

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Interesting Times  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:40:13pm

re: #16 MsJ

Is there raw data on the numbers of each category? I mean 5000 Clinton voters vs 87 trump voters.

I want numbers not percent.

Click the huffpo link in the tweet. Then you’ll find, in the first paragraph, a link to the PDF with raw numbers.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:42:13pm

re: #15 stpaulbear

“Some people say that you’re not supposed to say that! Some people say it’s a bad thing!”

Then insist that, unlike the Dems, he’s totally not going to stop them because he’s all for “freedom of speech.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:45:55pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:48:05pm

re: #11 MsJ

Right response, wrong tweet replied to.

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Quite honestly, I’m surprised that CBP hasn’t yet made a suggestion publicly that these camps be offered as labor pools to private companies, with the BS suggestion that the refugees will receive compensation “if” they are granted asylum.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:48:43pm

re: #16 MsJ

Is there raw data on the numbers of each category? I mean 5000 Clinton voters vs 87 trump voters.

I want numbers not percent.

The numbers are here. (PDF at link)

292 Clinton voters, 310 Trump voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:56:45pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:56:52pm

re: #15 stpaulbear

“Some people say that you’re not supposed to say that! Some people say it’s a bad thing!”

“Not many people know that.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 4:58:21pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Stanford Prison Experiment was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:06:54pm

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

The numbers are here. (PDF at link)

292 Clinton voters, 310 Trump voters.

Thanks. I’m on my phone so PDFs are a bitch.

And that’s a pretty pathetic total. That should be the MOE not the primary count.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:12:38pm

that special session Bevin called for tomorrow to screw teachers and other state retirees:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:16:06pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:16:12pm

I don’t remember the VC locking Donald Trump in a bamboo cage for 5 years. I don’t remember John McCain saying “I like people who didn’t claim fake bone spurs.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:17:20pm

re: #29 The Pie Overlord!

I don’t remember the VC locking Donald Trump in a bamboo cage for 5 years. I don’t remember John McCain saying “I like people who didn’t claim fake bone spurs.”

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Oh, Little Miss “My Dad Was John McCain” is gonna dismember Lindsey over this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:19:59pm

re: #26 MsJ

Thanks. I’m on my phone so PDFs are a bitch.

And that’s a pretty pathetic total. That should be the MOE not the primary count.

1000 responders seems fairly standard for a quick media poll.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:20:19pm
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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:22:44pm

This CNN event on right now drawing the names for the debates in two weeks is a perfect example of how the political process has been perverted for the purpose of attracting TV viewers.

Every time you find yourself thinking that CNN is really crusading for truth in the age of Trump, keep in mind that network president Jeff Zucker decided 4 years ago right now that putting Trump on the air 24/7 was a great way for him to sell advertising.

Also, Jake Tapper is a fucking hack.

That is all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:23:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:23:26pm

re: #33 bratwurst

This CNN event on right now drawing the names for the debates in two weeks is a perfect example of how the political process has been perverted for the purpose of attracting TV viewers.

Every time you find yourself thinking that CNN is really crusading for truth in the age of Trump, keep in mind that network president Jeff Zucker decided 4 years ago right now that putting Trump on the air 24/7 was a great way for him to sell advertising.

Also, Jake Tapper is a fucking hack.

That is all.

They turned it into a fucking game show?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:24:23pm

Church sign in Virginia says “America: Love or Leave It.”

In Appomattox no less.

Attention Revelation fans: The Beast has been here since 2017. This is the False Prophet who prepared the way for him.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:24:45pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

They turned it into a fucking game show?

They have an hour long “event” going on drawing the names, styled after the “March Madness” selection Sunday show. I am not kidding.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:26:28pm

re: #37 bratwurst

They have an hour long “event” going on drawing the names, styled after the “March Madness” selection Sunday show. I am not kidding.

Are there skimpily-clad young women parading with cards w/ the winner’s names?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:26:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:29:53pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate

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Frustration doesn’t justify denying American citizenship to people. I’m sick of their excuses for him.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:30:36pm
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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:31:32pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Are there skimpily-clad young women parading with cards w/ the winner’s names?

They are several millimeters above that. However, they are stopping to “analyze” the lineups as they go along instead of just drawing the names at once. 30 minutes in and we don’t have the complete lineups yet.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:33:59pm

re: #42 bratwurst

I think the NFL draft started all of this. It became a major sporting event in itself, without any football being played.

And so now our society seeks these kind of forced dramas to fill our otherwise boring, over-automated lives.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:39:32pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I went to go look up Nadler - I was trying to remember if he was the one who didn’t take Trump’s taxes from New York - and I saw this (I didn’t click the link):

I don’t think that’s Nadler.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:40:21pm

re: #43 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I think the NFL draft started all of this. It became a major sporting event in itself, without any football being played.

And so now our society seeks these kind of forced dramas to fill our otherwise boring, over-automated lives.

The Mayan and Aztecs were more serious about their sport:

The Aztecs continued this proud tradition of loser‐lose‐all, as many vases and sculptures depict the inevitable decapitation of the losing team. There are even some depictions of ball players playing with the heads of the losers in place of a ball. Whether this actually occurred is up to artistic speculation. The Spanish who observed the game reported horrendous injuries to those who played it — deep bruising requiring lancing, broken bones, and even death when a player was hit in the head or by an unprotected bit by the heavy ball.

The DNC should adopt Mesoamerican debate rules.

atlasobscura.com

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:41:18pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

The Stanford Prison Experiment was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.

For the GOPers anything that shows how easy it is to become evil is a blueprint. Even the Bible which explicitly states what actions are evil.

Bible says we can’t commit adultery? That’s what we’ll do then.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:41:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:41:54pm

Nadler had a weird sheepish look when he admitted this, too. Like he’d been spanked for doing it previously.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:42:04pm

41 minutes in and we have our final draw. Bottom line: Bernie and Warren to go head to head, Biden has to face the heat from Harris once again.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:42:10pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:42:51pm

Where are Warren and Harris?
Where are Bernie & Biden?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:43:33pm

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:43:50pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:44:42pm

re: #51 The Pie Overlord!

And Biden?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:45:13pm

re: #54 Patricia Kayden

And Biden?

TBH I was kinda hoping that B&B already dropped out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:46:13pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:46:18pm

re: #51 The Pie Overlord!

Where are Warren and Harris?
Where are Bernie & Biden?

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re: #54 Patricia Kayden

And Biden?

They only tap in when their teammate is unmasked by the other luchador.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:47:22pm

JFC

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:47:42pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:49:53pm

re: #59 Belafon

Hmmmm. I have a funny feeling that he was deservedly called racist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:52:29pm

Here’s the final lineup.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2019 • 5:53:38pm

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

Hmmmm. I have a funny feeling that he was deservedly called racist.

All he was doing was “telling it like it is…”

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sagehen  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:00:32pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

The Mayan and Aztecs were more serious about their sport:

The DNC should adopt Mesoamerican debate rules.

atlasobscura.com

Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor

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sagehen  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:07:24pm

re: #59 Belafon

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Jay Nordlinger, in a column he wrote, complained about wetbacks. Even the NRO’s comment section has a filter that disallows that word, but he saw no problem writing it in his column.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:11:13pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Biden is going to be the target of Harris and Booker. I suspect that Biden will not be up for it.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:12:21pm

Anyone watching Rachel?? Holy Shit!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:12:43pm

re: #65 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Biden is going to be the target of Harris and Booker. I suspect that Biden will not be up for it.

If he goes on the attack he loses. If he doesn’t attack, he loses.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:13:32pm

re: #59 Belafon

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Simple reality: If you supported Reagan you supported racism. Period. Don’t like being called racist? Then stop being a racist supporting racism.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:13:40pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Biden, I bet, so wishes he was up against Bernie and Marianne.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:13:42pm

re: #66 Dave In Austin

She’s on it. Chris Hayes did a great job tonight too.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:14:41pm

re: #70 A Mom Anon

I know this part of the country. Where is No Water

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gocart mozart  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:16:53pm
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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:20:26pm

re: #66 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Rachel?? Holy Shit!

No. What’s going on?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:22:57pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the final lineup.

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so a buncha eggs are gonna debate each other

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:28:48pm

re: #11 MsJ

Even the Nazis treated their prisoners’ property with more respect. JFC.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:31:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:31:36pm

re: #73 MsJ

Watch the 1st block online or later if you can. Fucking Interior and BLM are breaking the law again.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:32:27pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Quite honestly, I’m surprised that CBP hasn’t yet made a suggestion publicly that these camps be offered as labor pools to private companies, with the BS suggestion that the refugees will receive compensation “if” they are granted asylum.

We don’t know that they haven’t.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:34:02pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the final lineup.

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Immediate response

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:39:18pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:47:31pm

re: #79 BeachDem

Immediate response

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You can also strike out Bullock (who the fuck even is he?), Hickenlooper, Beto and Bennet.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:52:49pm

re: #81 The Pie Overlord!

You can also strike out Bullock (who the fuck even is he?), Hickenlooper, Beto and Bennet.

I was being kind on my first pass. The six I crossed out have no business being anywhere near the debates. (And notice that pathetic Seth Moulton didn’t make it once again. The ONLY thing my brother and I agree on is that Moulton—my brother’s rep—is a total asshole.) But I totally agree on crossing out the other four—

Here you go

Second pass

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:54:34pm

re: #82 BeachDem

I think the DNC is going overboard to try and show that unlike the accusations against them in 2016, the DNC is not going to exclude people from the lime light.

Now the problem is that we have hobbyist candidates, not real candidates.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:56:41pm

My twitter is broken. It looks like they served me the phone version, poorly rendered. If I reduce it to 90%, it looks a little more like it used to, but stripped down. And when I just went there, they dished up a ‘promoted’ [paid for] tweet from FAIR, the anti-immigration racists. I feel like not going back.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 6:57:04pm

One thing about having to rebuild my entire Twitter is that I am seeing the Tweets of assholes that I blocked years ago, during Obama’s first term. Bye bye.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:03:13pm

re: #85 The Pie Overlord!

One thing about having to rebuild my entire Twitter is that I am seeing the Tweets of assholes that I blocked years ago, during Obama’s first term. Bye bye.

Sorry VB. Twitter’s double standards suck.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:09:21pm

re: #72 gocart mozart

Murdering a baby is not abortion and you know it, Abbott. Lie much?

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:11:21pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:12:00pm

re: #79 BeachDem

Immediate response

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Even though a universal basic income has like zero chance of being enacted anytime soon, its an idea worth debating if only to start shifting the Overton Window, so I wouldn’t x out Yang. Plus my kids are Chinese, so I like that there is a Chinese-American actually qualifying for the debates.

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Chrysicat  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:12:01pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the final lineup.

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I’d say the second night was the kids’ table, except that Kamala is set for then and she’s still considered a legitimate contender.

This whole thing is such a trainwreck.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:12:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:13:22pm

Old but regrettably still relevant:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:14:20pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

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In Ameristan in the near future, vaccines will be illegal, and all the diseases conquered in the 20th century will rage through the nation and kill or cripple a lot of kids. But FREEEDUMB!!1!!1!1

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:15:57pm
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retired cynic  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:16:40pm

re: #94 Ace-o-aces

JFC!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:16:56pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

My twitter is broken. It looks like they served me the phone version, poorly rendered. If I reduce it to 90%, it looks a little more like it used to, but stripped down. And when I just went there, they dished up a ‘promoted’ [paid for] tweet from FAIR, the anti-immigration racists. I feel like not going back.

I got a promoted concealed carry tweet. But I’m hooked on Twitter now like a junkie, so I can’t quit. Blame Molly Jong-Fast, Wonkette and The Onion.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:17:43pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

Murdering a baby is not abortion and you know it, Abbott. Lie much?

Constantly.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:18:39pm

re: #89 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even though a universal basic income has like zero chance of being enacted anytime soon, its an idea worth debating if only to start shifting the Overton Window, so I wouldn’t x out Yang. Plus my kids are Chinese, so I like that there is a Chinese-American actually qualifying for the debates.

Except that is Yang’s ONLY answer to every question.

I’ll give you the excitement of having a Chinese-American qualify, but Yang has one hammer for every nail.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:20:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:21:00pm

re: #94 Ace-o-aces

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The perfect Trump gift: ridiculously expensive, self-destructive, and it sucks.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:21:17pm

re: #95 retired cynic

JFC!

It’s “laser engraved”. Is that even a thing you can do with a plastic straw?

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:21:27pm

re: #96 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I got a promoted concealed carry tweet. But I’m hooked on Twitter now like a junkie, so I can’t quit. Blame Molly Jong-Fast, Wonkette and The Onion.

Don’t remind me of the molly I’m missing…

Just post ‘em here. They look better here anyway.

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BigPapa  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:21:55pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Rude!

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:23:37pm

re: #101 Ace-o-aces

It’s “laser engraved”. Is that even a thing you can do with a plastic straw?

Only with the special, non-recyclable blend used by Trump.

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BigPapa  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:24:57pm

This appears to not be a hoax:
The Bell: Taco Bell Resort in Palm Springs

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:25:26pm

So there’s some fucking big fireworks thing going on in MI tonight. The one dog is under the bed. The other is God only knows where. They’re terrified and I’m fucking as pissed as I could possibly be.

This is bullshit.

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calochortus  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:30:53pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

The perfect Trump gift: ridiculously expensive, self-destructive, and it sucks.

And you have to be pretty stupid not to be able to
a.) just drink from your glass, or
b.) manage a paper straw.

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calochortus  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:32:02pm

re: #101 Ace-o-aces

It’s “laser engraved”. Is that even a thing you can do with a plastic straw?

Sure, it just creates slits in the straws.
/

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:33:28pm

re: #93 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In Ameristan in the near future, vaccines will be illegal, and all the diseases conquered in the 20th century will rage through the nation and kill or cripple a lot of kids. But FREEEDUMB!!1!!1!1

Fortunately, there are a lot of Mexican-born children in El Paso so Mexico’s stringent vaccination program will help with herd immunity. The Mexican public health services don’t mess around. They don’t accept religious objections and they wouldn’t consider woo-woo bullshit a religion even if they did. This article from 2002 describes what it is like:
Mexico bests U.S. in vaccinations

MONTERREY, Mexico — If parents here are late getting their child inoculated, a public health nurse will come to their home, pull down the youngster’s pants and give the vaccination right there in the living room.

If mom and dad are away at work, the nurse does not wait for them to come home and give permission. The shots are given anyway, and the paperwork is left with the baby sitter.

In Monterrey, like Houston an industrial city of more than a million with large pockets of underclass, the government divides its poor neighborhoods into sections of about four square blocks each, then puts a nurse in charge of supervising parents in each area to ensure all of the children are vaccinated on time.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:34:07pm

re: #105 BigPapa

This appears to not be a hoax:
The Bell: Taco Bell Resort in Palm Springs

A Taco Bell on every corner!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:34:21pm

For only $5.00 you get a set of two straws—one for white milk, one for chocolate.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:35:30pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Fortunately, there are a lot of Mexican-born children in El Paso so Mexico’s stringent vaccination program will help with herd immunity. The Mexican public health services don’t mess around. They don’t accept religious objections and they wouldn’t consider woo-woo bullshit a religion even if they did. This article from 2002 describes what it is like:
Mexico bests U.S. in vaccinations

I think Guatemala has a better vaccination rate than the US.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:35:55pm

re: #106 MsJ

So there’s some fucking big fireworks thing going on in MI tonight. The one dog is under the bed. The other is God only knows where. They’re terrified and I’m fucking as pissed as I could possibly be.

This is bullshit.

Blue Water Fest

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:36:38pm

re: #106 MsJ

Totally off topic, but for my fellow Marshmallow—

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:42:25pm

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

Blue Water Fest

Christ. An entire week. I hope they don’t do this every night. My poor dogs.

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:42:47pm

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

Blue Water Fest

Oh. And thank you very much.

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:44:44pm

re: #114 BeachDem

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:47:04pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:47:36pm

re: #105 BigPapa

This appears to not be a hoax:
The Bell: Taco Bell Resort in Palm Springs

Palm Springs is a hoax.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:48:01pm

re: #105 BigPapa

This appears to not be a hoax:
The Bell: Taco Bell Resort in Palm Springs

One of the, and perhaps the biggest, successes of Madison Avenue is to turn America into mindless followers of “brands”.

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Interesting Times  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:48:47pm

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calochortus  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:51:27pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Palm Springs is a hoax.

This one is real. Not that I’ve been there because, well, Taco Bell.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:51:34pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

Don’t remind me of the molly I’m missing…

Just post ‘em here. They look better here anyway.

Here’s some Molly.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:54:15pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:54:54pm

So tonight I watched the latest episode of the latest hot cooked-up-drama show, Spin The Wheel.

My belief about the show has not changed. It is based around the idea of “luck”, of course, but to pick every episode’s guest hero the producers have gone out to find just that - everyman heroes.

Not that everyman heroes are a bad thing, in real life.

But the show is built around some sort of premise that trying your chances at gambling is a reward for doing something good.

Which I find to be downright odd, if people accept that blindly as a good thing.

If you want to reward someone, just give them the reward.

What’s this making them play a super-sized roulette wheel?

Especially since there is a chance, a non-trivial chance, that the player goes home empty handed. (no spoilers, but it’s a real possibility.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:56:27pm

re: #123 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here’s some Molly.

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They should put Laura’s kids in cages the next time she runs a red light and I’d bet you she’s complaining about big government by sun up.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 7:59:47pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

They should put Laura’s kids in cages the next time she runs a red light and I’d bet you she’s complaining about big government by sun up.

Yeah, but its wrong to put kids in cages, even Laura’s. Put Laura in a cage, and see how she likes it.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:00:29pm

re: #117 MsJ

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Fixed the spelling of Kristen’s name—jeez, I iz idiot.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:02:54pm

re: #128 BeachDem

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:05:19pm

Recidivism in societies:

Far-right protests ‘attracting biggest numbers since 1930s’ in UK amid Brexit anger, report warns

Far-right protests are attracting the largest number of supporters since the 1930s as Brexit fuels anger against the “elite”, a report has warned.

Research for the Commission for Countering Extremism, seen exclusively by The Independent, said tens of thousands of people have descended on London since the start of 2018 over Tommy Robinson’s imprisonment and delays to Britain’s departure from the EU.

Some “Free Tommy” protests spilled over into violent attacks on police officers, while “Brexit betrayal” marches saw demonstrators carry nooses and drag effigies of politicians through the streets.

[…]

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MsJ  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:06:08pm

re: #128 BeachDem

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:09:39pm

Trump’s flagrant over-spending, leading to record deficits, enabled by Republicans in Congress, are all part of the populist deconstruction of society.

When the rich do not care for society but only their own pocket, we are in a state where social angst can rise quickly.

As dimwitted as many Trumpers are, their angst is still angst. It may be manipulated by Trump (and Murdoch and the rest), but the angst rises out of a feeling of displacement in society.

There isn’t an easy way out of this. The only way to handle a total debt that grows to be equivalent to a GDP is to do austerity measures, which will bring about more angst.

Societies are built by cooperation. When those in power see that their benefit is built upon the destruction of other, then the whole shebang is in trouble.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:11:59pm

re: #131 MsJ

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:12:55pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:19:23pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Pssssst…. (Opens Trench Coat) Wanna See the Loops??

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:23:26pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:27:55pm

re: #132 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Trump’s flagrant over-spending, leading to record deficits, enabled by Republicans in Congress, are all part of the populist deconstruction of society.

When the rich do not care for society but only their own pocket, we are in a state where social angst can rise quickly.

As dimwitted as many Trumpers are, their angst is still angst. It may be manipulated by Trump (and Murdoch and the rest), but the angst rises out of a feeling of displacement in society.

There isn’t an easy way out of this. The only way to handle a total debt that grows to be equivalent to a GDP is to do austerity measures, which will bring about more angst.

Societies are built by cooperation. When those in power see that their benefit is built upon the destruction of other, then the whole shebang is in trouble.

Actually there are a lot of ways to handle the debt without austerity. Soak the rich, print more money, or just keep borrowing more. Japans national debt is several times larger than its annual GDP, and its not a real problem. Now this doesn’t mean I think its cool to borrow trillions to give it to billionaires; we ought to be investing that money in our kids, our workforce and our infrastructure.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:28:14pm

re: #91 Patricia Kayden

No shit. Im going to try to go there tomorrow.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:31:04pm

re: #136 Dread Pirate

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In an alternative universe in which Romney won the Presidency in 2008, Congress would’ve passed Romneycare, substantially similar to the ACA, and the GOP would hail it as a brilliant free market healthcare reform.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:32:02pm

re: #137 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Actually there are a lot of ways to handle the debt without austerity. Soak the rich, print more money, or just keep borrowing more.

The “rich” don’t really have enough money to cover the debt.

Printing money is just austerity by another name. Hyperinflation leads to the inability to buy goods and services, just like physically limiting those goods and services.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:34:33pm

We here often focus on Trump’s moral depravity and the duplicity of his followers.

But there is another facet to Trump which is just as bad: his ignorance and his disdain for knowledge.

Trump and his ignorant followers believe false things. They do not accept physical reality or the necessary impact of physical reality on things like economics.

It’s not just flagship issues like climate-change of which Trump denies. He denies what is known in economics, he denies what is known in engineering, he denies what is known about how to run a society.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:34:51pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:35:48pm

re: #136 Dread Pirate

Yeah fine but damn near matched my rent. Well for the two of us, far more.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:37:04pm

“Welcome Home Ilhan” was a joy to see on Rachael.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:39:09pm

re: #140 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The “rich” don’t really have enough money to cover the debt.

Printing money is just austerity by another name. Hyperinflation leads to the inability to buy goods and services, just like physically limiting those goods and services.

The rich don’t have to pay off the debt, just pay the interest. You are assuming there would be hyperinflation. There are massive deflationary pressures that didn’t exist the last time inflation was a problem 40 years ago. The ever plunging cost of computing power, the lack of bargaining leverage the deunionized workforce has, the removal of price controls on airlines, energy and other economic sectors, and the opening of the formerly communist and third world to economic development, most of which produced little anyone wanted to buy 40 years ago. This was an important point AOC made when questioning Powell; there is virtually no inflationary pressure in the economy.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:39:09pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Remember. there is always a bigger fish in the sea:

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Video

That is great.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:42:25pm

re: #145 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If printing money to pay the debt is the way taken, then that will be hyperinflationary because so much now is indexed.

Deflation is of course real, and what you describe is a possible worst case scenario - deflation due to mass job losses.

Such an event though will be bigger than the Great Recession of 2008.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:43:45pm

Trump announces Iranian Drone shot down!

Iranian Drone just before launch

Yes just kidding.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:48:53pm

In my life, in watching my own expenditures, I can see significant price increases the past 24 months.

I have long records of my various expenditures, some going back to 2000. I can see what has happened.

I can track, for instance, how Cox keeps upping my rates (for just internet.) Sure, they increase bandwidth, a little bit, but bandwidth that is mostly wasted. Tier pricing is set by strategy where one really does see a difference at any price that is less than the standard tier.

We also see gasoline prices, which deflated due to the recession combined with increased efficiency in the US, combined with less miles driven. But now Trump has given up with increasing automobile mileage, for example, which undermines the idea that Americans can keep on driving without being unduly affected by world petroleum dramas.

And so on.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:52:27pm

FaceApp did not go well.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:53:14pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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He didn’t have to cheat on his wife is pretty much all the standard is.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:56:50pm

re: #120 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

One of the, and perhaps the biggest, successes of Madison Avenue is to turn America into mindless followers of “brands”.

I would argue this is a problem with the need for businesses to have to keep coming up with something different every year in order to keep Wall Street happy. Like the Science channel needing to do something different than science.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 18, 2019 • 8:59:40pm

Accidental broken clock moment

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:01:40pm

re: #101 Ace-o-aces

It’s “laser engraved”. Is that even a thing you can do with a plastic straw?

They can laser perforate Tylenol, so I bet they could.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:03:13pm

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

FaceApp did not go well.

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I’d have no problem having that done.

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Chrysicat  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:04:14pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:04:20pm

re: #136 Dread Pirate

Sorry, snapped at you when the fault lies far elsewhere. My bad.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:06:21pm

re: #153 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Accidental broken clock moment

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It’s supposedly fake. But I think it would be fun to send to her anyway.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:22:57pm

re: #140 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The “rich” don’t really have enough money to cover the debt.

Printing money is just austerity by another name. Hyperinflation leads to the inability to buy goods and services, just like physically limiting those goods and services.

We can’t take all the money the wealthy make in a year and call it a day, but we can tax then significantly higher and pay on the debt. We have a $15T/yrs economy with a whole lot of wealthy enough people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 18, 2019 • 9:55:40pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the final lineup.

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Awwwww, poor widdle Susan Sarandon so sad that Gravel didn’t make the cut.

Boo Fucking Hoo!

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 10:27:22pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2019 • 10:38:45pm

Twitter suspended @TheTweetOfGod.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 10:43:04pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 10:55:57pm

re: #163 Dave In Austin

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To quote the late George Carlin:

“The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked.”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:02:24pm

This is the Maddow Block I posted up earlier.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:15:38pm

well that was certainly the weirdest episode of the handmaid’s tale ever

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:16:53pm

what was the difference between the trump rally the other night and a lynch mob?

anybody? bueller?

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:24:35pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:24:39pm

re: #167 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what was the difference between the trump rally the other night and a lynch mob?

anybody? bueller?

A lynch mob usually doesn’t get broadcast live on national TV.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:27:08pm

re: #168 DodgerFan1988

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It’s only going to get worse as we move into next year. Look forward to more and more news segments and op-eds, not about the need of Trump to connect to urban and progressive voters, but about how the Dem nominee needs to “reach out to Trump voters” in rural America.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:42:37pm

re: #81 The Pie Overlord!

You can also strike out Bullock (who the fuck even is he?), Hickenlooper, Beto and Bennet.

I am fond of both Bullock, a red state governor who didn’t make the first debate because he entered the fray so late, and Bennet (who had an epic takedown of Cruz in the Senate in January of this year). Let’s give them a chance in the debates and see if either catches on. I do agree about the other eliminations. And I wish both Biden and Bernie would leave.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:48:26pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:52:10pm

YouTube

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 18, 2019 • 11:56:33pm

re: #140 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The “rich” don’t really have enough money to cover the debt.

Printing money is just austerity by another name. Hyperinflation leads to the inability to buy goods and services, just like physically limiting those goods and services.

IIRC, what was left of the German military in the Weimar Republic loved the hyperinflation crisis as it basically allowed them to pay off Versailles-imposed war reparations for the price of a sandwich and a cup of coffee.

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teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:00:04am

“Bowling For Columbine” was very moving. I saw it in the old cinema behind the restaurant I worked at in Steamboat Springs, CO when I was 21. They only did six showings, two each day on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I went to the second showing on Saturday.

Michael Moore is a proud pissant, and he’s dubious when it’s convenient. But goddamn, he’s a masterful propagandist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:15:00am

This looks just like my late, great buddy, Roswell the Atomic Poodle:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:17:51am

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Dread Pirate  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:27:03am
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teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:37:23am

Reclamation

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:41:35am

re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter

I am fond of both Bullock, a red state governor who didn’t make the first debate because he entered the fray so late, and Bennet (who had an epic takedown of Cruz in the Senate in January of this year). Let’s give them a chance in the debates and see if either catches on. I do agree about the other eliminations. And I wish both Biden and Bernie would leave.

I don’t expect Biden or Sanders to drop out before the money runs dry, with the only question right now being of whether they make it to Iowa before that happens. There are a lot of the bigger donors who are still uncommitted, waiting until there’s a clear front-runner before they open their wallets. Joe and Bernie are no doubt betting that if they can eek out a 1st or 2nd place win in Iowa and/or New Hampshire, then they’ll jump back to the top of the board and thus win the support of those donors.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:43:05am

Fascinating article at Mother Jones
I had never really been aware of day-care being targeted by social conservatives. It makes sense, though, a lot of sense.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia?

The story is the same, from the day-care panics to QAnon: It’s not really about the kids. It’s about fears of a changing social order.

…….

The patriarchal family was under siege, as conservatives saw it, and day-care centers had become the physical representation of the social forces bedeviling them. “You had this Reagan-­driven conservative resurgence,” Beck says, “and day care was seen as at least suspicious, if not an actively maligned force of feminism.”

The general context is the same: conservative retrenchment after a period of progressive social gains.
Day care held a prominent place in right-wing demonology. As far back as the 1960s, conservatives were warning darkly that child care “was a communist plot to destroy the traditional family,” as sociologist Jill Quadagno writes in The Color of Welfare. In 1971, President Richard Nixon vetoed the Comprehensive Child Development Act, which would’ve established a national day-care system. In his veto message, Nixon used the Red-baiting language urged upon him by his special assistant, Pat Buchanan, saying the program would’ve committed “the vast moral authority of the national government to the side of communal approaches to child-rearing against the family-centered approach.” In a decade of rising divorce rates, at least conspiracism and reactionary social conservatism could enjoy a happy marriage. By the time Judy Johnson came forward in 1983 with allegations that a teacher at the McMartin preschool had molested her child, the country had been primed to assume the worst by more than a decade of child-care fearmongering.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:44:27am
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Dread Pirate  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:03:42am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:07:20am

Saw that John Kerry wrote a great letter to the Boston Globe speaking up for Presley particularly. Proud to have worked on his campaign 15 years ago.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:37:14am

Talks the talk, can’t walk the walk.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:44:14am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

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Talks the talk, can’t walk the walk.

Quelle surprise.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:51:00am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

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Talks the talk, can’t walk the walk.

You can’t imagine how shocked I am to hear that a campaign that had various issues with low pay and sexual misconduct 3 years ago is experiencing them again.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:11:14am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

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Talks the talk, can’t walk the walk.

I seriously do not get what AOC sees in him. He’s not a good ally.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:13:09am

re: #187 Targetpractice

You can’t imagine how shocked I am to hear that a campaign that had various issues with low pay and sexual misconduct 3 years ago is experiencing them again.

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Nader’s campaign had this too. I’m all for a higher minimum wage but people like Bernie can’t walk the talk. And this has been consistently an issue for him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:19:49am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

SCOOP: For years, Bernie Sanders has traveled the country advocating for a $15 per hour minimum wage. His campaign organizers say they aren’t making that much, and they’re using his words to protest for higher wages.

I would note that there is a distinction between an ongoing for-profit business and a political campaign.

Not that I am a Bernie supporter to any extent. Just to note that there are nuances here that are being overlooked.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:26:04am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would note that there is a distinction between an ongoing for-profit business and a political campaign.

Not that I am a Bernie supporter to any extent. Just to note that there are nuances here that are being overlooked.

There is a difference yes but I think you’re missing the point. Bernie’s very self-righteous about the shortcomings of other campaigns. He doesn’t practice what he preaches.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:30:08am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

There is a difference yes but I think you’re missing the point. Bernie’s very self-righteous about the shortcomings of other campaigns. He doesn’t practice what he preaches.

which is one reason I do not support Bernie

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:34:00am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

which is one reason I do not support Bernie

For me, that’s part of it but another part of it is that he would never get anything done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:34:35am

re: #166 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

well that was certainly the weirdest episode of the handmaid’s tale ever

No kidding. Aside from the dark nature of the show in general, the theme music running through the episode was made from a happy uplifting piece to a creepy dark indictment of religion.

(video, 4:03)

Song
HEAVEN IS A PLACE ON EARTH
Artist
BELINDA CARLISLE, RICK NOWELS,
Album
80’S POP NUMBER 1’S
Writers
Rick Nowels, Ellen Shipley
Licensed to YouTube by
UNIAO BRASILEIRA DE EDITORAS DE MUSICA - UBEM, Global Music Rights LLC, BMG Rights Management, CMRRA, LatinAutor - UMPG, ARESA, Spirit Music Publishing, Abramus Digital, LatinAutor, AMRA, and 14 Music Rights Societies

Belinda Carlisle - Heaven Is A Place On Earth (Official Video)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:36:06am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

For me, that’s part of it but another part of it is that he would never get anything done.

he would never get elected, period.

I am convinced that in 2016, and to an extent now, there are more people out there interested in seeing his as the DNC nominee than there are interested in seeing him as President.

The extent of the ratfuckery, bots and trolling behind his campaigns will never be uncovered.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:43:57am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

Talks the talk, can’t walk the walk.

Lots of people in that thread using “whataboutism” on other candidates (and lying about what they’re doing) while defending Sanders.

You want to see Sanders sink fast? If his paid campaign workers walk out on strike.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:48:28am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

The same song was used to tremendous ironic effect in the “San Junipero” episode of Black Mirror.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:50:32am

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

Oops…..forgot to post it.

Black Mirror Season 3 Episode 4 “San Junipero” Ending Scene

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:51:17am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

Lots of people in that thread using “whataboutism” on other candidates (and lying about what they’re doing) while defending Sanders.

You want to see Sanders sink fast? If his paid campaign workers walk out on strike.

He complains about identity politics and then whines when people point out his age as a legitimate issue. I’m sorry. I don’t want a 80 year old President.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:57:38am

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

The same song was used to tremendous ironic effect in the “San Junipero” episode of Black Mirror.

I see lots of references to “Black Mirror” but I am unfamiliar with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:59:09am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

He complains about identity politics and then whines when people point out his age as a legitimate issue. I’m sorry. I don’t want a 80 year old President.

Again, lots of people, including a lot of Republicans and Vlad himself, would love to see him as the candidate against Trump…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:01:15am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

I see lots of references to “Black Mirror” but I am unfamiliar with it.

another Netflix series that I have not watched

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:01:20am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

I see lots of references to “Black Mirror” but I am unfamiliar with it.

Black Mirror is a British science fiction anthology television series created by Charlie Brooker, with Brooker and Annabel Jones serving as the programme showrunners. It examines modern society, particularly with regard to the unanticipated consequences of new technologies. Episodes are standalone, usually set in an alternative present or the near future, often with a dark and satirical tone, though some are more experimental and lighter.

Black Mirror was inspired by older anthology series like The Twilight Zone, which were able to deal with controversial, contemporary topics without fear of censorship. Brooker developed Black Mirror to highlight topics related to humanity’s relationship to technology, creating stories that feature “the way we live now - and the way we might be living in 10 minutes’ time if we’re clumsy.”

en.wikipedia.org

The “San Junipero” episode I reference is probably one of the finest episodes they’ve ever done. A mini-masterpiece.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:01:32am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, lots of people, including a lot of Republicans and Vlad himself, would love to see him as the candidate against Trump…

I know that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:02:56am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

Church sign in Virginia says “America: Love or Leave It.”

In Appomattox no less.

Attention Revelation fans: The Beast has been here since 2017. This is the False Prophet who prepared the way for him.

God: That’s not in the Bible.

Really good look today dragging non-violent Catholic nuns and monks out in handcuffs for protesting cruelty. Really good look, God’s Own Party.

That’s actually walking their church’s walk. I’m impressed. (No, I’m not going to CCD any time soon, but damn, I hope the GOP gets a giant exodus of Catholics from their party over that.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:04:57am

re: #44 Belafon

I went to go look up Nadler - I was trying to remember if he was the one who didn’t take Trump’s taxes from New York - and I saw this (I didn’t click the link):

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I don’t think that’s Nadler.

That photo looks like Sebastian Gorka, fraudulent doctor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:06:28am

Just as a wife who would to try to change an abusive husband is seen as disloyal, an American citizen wanting to change America (by “making it great again”, for example) is not just seen as disloyal, but subject to deportation.

We are really seeing a throwback to an outdated view of politics and society which we need to counter before it becomes institutionalized

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:14:52am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just as a wife who would to try to change an abusive husband is seen as disloyal, an American citizen wanting to change America (by “making it great again”, for example) is not just seen as disloyal, but subject to deportation.

We are really seeing a throwback to an outdated view of politics and society which we need to counter before it becomes institutionalized

What we’re seeing is an explosion of cultural atavism, a longing for a lost past, in which Christian, middle-class whites were at the very apex of the social pyramid - now, these same people see their socio-cultural position threatened and they’re lashing out in fear.

Not necessarily fear they’ll be displaced, but rather, that they’ll have to share some room at the apex of the pyramid. It’s an anti-egalitarian reaction, whether they’re aware of it or not.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:18:36am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

God: That’s not in the Bible.

Really good look today dragging non-violent Catholic nuns and monks out in handcuffs for protesting cruelty. Really good look, God’s Own Party.

That’s actually walking their church’s walk. I’m impressed. (No, I’m not going to CCD any time soon, but damn, I hope the GOP gets a giant exodus of Catholics from their party over that.)

I unfortunately expect that to have less impact here in Pennsylvania than expected. Despite the state’s history of ethnic diversity, especially in the western part with the various groups immigrating to work in the coal mines and steel mills, there are a lot of very conservative Catholic congregations that are racist in their core and/or are going to be single issue voters and pin the entire abortion issue on the Democratic candidate. (The last based on experience with two friends/co-workers who I am pretty sure voted Trump in 2016 justified solely by that stated reason. I have yet to ascertain whether their views regarding Trump as a candidate have changed since then.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:22:23am

re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader

I unfortunately expect that to have less impact here in Pennsylvania than expected. Despite the state’s history of ethnic diversity, especially in the western part with the various groups immigrating to work in the coal mines and steel mills, there are a lot of very conservative Catholic congregations that are racist in their core and/or are going to be single issue voters and pin the entire abortion issue on the Democratic candidate. (The last based on experience with two friends/co-workers who I am pretty sure voted Trump in 2016 justified solely by that stated reason. I have yet to ascertain whether their views regarding Trump as a candidate have changed since then.)

That sounds like my mom’s cousins who and some of my dad’s cousins too. Ironically, my grandmother’s sister can’t stand Trump but sadly both her kids and even her grandkids like him. And yeah the abortion issue. The abortion issue is why she voted for Bush in 2004 over Kerry. IT is sad. I’m a product of Western Pa’s ethnic diversity. I now live in even more diverse Northern Va. As the family’s genealogist, it hurts me so much to see people who are learning a little from me about what our family went through engaging in the same nativism that was directed at our family.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:29:34am

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

Oops…..forgot to post it.

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Video

Same (video, 1:12, one of several uses of the song)

Handmaid’s Tale Season 3 Episode 9 June Covers Belinda Carlisle

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:30:48am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

That sounds like my mom’s cousins who and some of my dad’s cousins too. Ironically, my grandmother’s sister can’t stand Trump but sadly both her kids and even her grandkids like him. And yeah the abortion issue. The abortion issue is why she voted for Bush in 2004 over Kerry. IT is sad. I’m a product of Western Pa’s ethnic diversity. I now live in even more diverse Northern Va. As the family’s genealogist, it hurts me so much to see people who are learning a little from me about what our family went through engaging in the same nativism that was directed at our family.

Don’t call voting for single-issues “identity politics.” That would certainly confuse them.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:32:17am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

That sounds like my mom’s cousins who and some of my dad’s cousins too. Ironically, my grandmother’s sister can’t stand Trump but sadly both her kids and even her grandkids like him. And yeah the abortion issue. The abortion issue is why she voted for Bush in 2004 over Kerry. IT is sad. I’m a product of Western Pa’s ethnic diversity. I now live in even more diverse Northern Va. As the family’s genealogist, it hurts me so much to see people who are learning a little from me about what our family went through engaging in the same nativism that was directed at our family.

Yea, my plan on engagement if the issue arises the next time I see some of these people is pointing that the nativist rhetoric is the same as a hundred years ago when the KKK was active in the western PA region and doing cross burnings to intimidate the immigrant (and Catholic) miners. I don’t hear any outright anti-atheist sentiments from them since they know I am agnostic/atheist in outlook. And, if anything, I can challenge them regarding the administration’s behavior on the border and elsewhere not being very charitable or Christian in nature - which chafes some of them in being reminded about from folk such as myself.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:32:33am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

God: That’s not in the Bible.

Really good look today dragging non-violent Catholic nuns and monks out in handcuffs for protesting cruelty. Really good look, God’s Own Party.

That’s actually walking their church’s walk. I’m impressed. (No, I’m not going to CCD any time soon, but damn, I hope the GOP gets a giant exodus of Catholics from their party over that.)

Heavy proportion of nuns, including a 90 year old. Hope the cops shook them down for rulers and rubber snakes.
abcnews.go.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:33:18am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t call voting for single-issues “identity politics.” That would certainly confuse them.

Yeah voting Republican because of abortion is definitely a form of identity politics as is feeling threatened by changing demographics. I could care less about the changing demographics. I grew up in one of the most diverse parts of the country and went to an equally diverse university. And my work experiences have mirrored that too.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:33:28am

Some further news in the arson attack that left 33 dead at Kyoto Animation yesterday:

The suspect at the center of Japan’s worst mass killing in almost 20 years told police that his work was plagiarized and that he used gasoline to torch the renowned Kyoto Animation studio, killing 33 people.

Police identified the suspect as 41-year-old Shinji Aoba during a press conference on Friday and said he has unspecified mental health issues.
Kyoto Fushimi Police spokesperson Ryoji Nishiyama said they were not yet aware of a link between the suspect and the studio in Kyoto’s Fushimi-ku district.

The suspected arson attack on Thursday has left anime fans world-over grieving the loss of life and a studio, which claimed to put its employees first and was a major force in the industry.

edition.cnn.com

Seems like the suspect is of the belief that KyoAni had “stolen” his idea.

Schizophrenia perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:36:47am

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea, my plan on engagement if the issue arises the next time I see some of these people is pointing that the nativist rhetoric is the same as a hundred years ago when the KKK was active in the western PA region and doing cross burnings to intimidate the immigrant (and Catholic) miners. I don’t hear any outright anti-atheist sentiments from them since they know I am agnostic/atheist in outlook. And, if anything, I can challenge them regarding the administration’s behavior on the border and elsewhere not being very charitable or Christian in nature - which chafes some of them in being reminded about from folk such as myself.

Yeah I try pointing that out too. And you’re right about the Klan. My grandfather talked about it going through Johnstown one time and it really worried him and his family since their parents were immigrants and from Melania’s country funnily enough. He certainly had his own prejudices that I saw but I never saw him go out of his way to be a jerk to to someone simply because of their skin color. All the family members I meet, it’s interesting seeing where they lie politically. Most of my first cousins, aunts, and uncles (All on my Dad’s side since my mom’s brother passed away years ago without marrying or having kids) are pretty liberal minded. I really credit a lot of how I view the world to growing up in a diverse area, reading history, and being on the spectrum.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:37:31am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

What we’re seeing is an explosion of cultural atavism, a longing for a lost past, in which Christian, middle-class whites were at the very apex of the social pyramid - now, these same people see their socio-cultural position threatened and they’re lashing out in fear.

Not necessarily fear they’ll be displaced, but rather, that they’ll have to share some room at the apex of the pyramid. It’s an anti-egalitarian reaction, whether they’re aware of it or not.

And dividing people by their fears is exactly how conservatism works to maintain itself. That way the people who benefit from conservatism (the wealthy and corporations, who are the “pastors” of the religion), can deflect anger and hatred of the masses (the “parishioners”) on an external demon which is trying to destroy their faith.

That demon is usually progress which benefits everyone.

One good lie is the economic argument “a rising tide lifts all boats.” Not when conservative leaders tie the boats to the docks. Then the rising tide merely sinks them.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:38:09am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

Some further news in the arson attack that left 33 dead at Kyoto Animation yesterday:

edition.cnn.com

Seems like the suspect is of the belief that KyoAni had “stolen” his idea.

Schizophrenia perhaps?

I am curious to here more about the building’s condition. Initially saw mention that one of the fire escapes was blocked by the fire and the other inoperable/blocked and that was where most of the bodies were found. Was the latter blocked by the attacker, or was already blocked or unusable due to something else? And if the latter, I presume that was some sort of serious safety code violation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:39:12am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

What we’re seeing is an explosion of cultural atavism, a longing for a lost past, in which Christian, middle-class whites were at the very apex of the social pyramid - now, these same people see their socio-cultural position threatened and they’re lashing out in fear.

Not necessarily fear they’ll be displaced, but rather, that they’ll have to share some room at the apex of the pyramid. It’s an anti-egalitarian reaction, whether they’re aware of it or not.

A rose-colored vision of a past that never really existed. And yes, they are still upset that Protestant Christianity is not the de facto state religion of America.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:43:40am

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t know if reminding them that conservatives came for Catholics in the past. That scene in Washington is conservatism throughout the history of the country.

Their anti-abortion stance isn’t going to do much good if they’re the next ones conservatives come after.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:45:15am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

And dividing people by their fears is exactly how conservatism works to maintain itself. That way the people who benefit from conservatism (the wealthy and corporations, who are the “pastors” of the religion), can deflect anger and hatred of the masses (the “parishioners”) on an external demon which is trying to destroy their faith.

That demon is usually progress which benefits everyone.

One good lie is the economic argument “a rising tide lifts all boats.” Not when conservative leaders tie the boats to the docks. Then the rising tide merely sinks them.

I’m remembering my first semester of American history at community college. My professor was a guy around my Dad’s age. A southerner(contrasting with myself since I honestly don’t see myself as a Southerner, I don’t necessarily see myself as a Northerner either) but he seemed pretty liberal minded. Anyhow, one historical event he talked about as important was Bacon’s Rebellion. I’m not sure how famous it is nationally but it was something I had learned about in the 4th grade(Virginia in the fourth grade in the mid 90’s at least taught Virginia history that year). But Professor Reed’s point was that Bacon’s Rebellion was important because it began the scapegoating and later use of violence on a group in the so called frustrated majority. I was really happy when he wrote a reference for me when I transferred to GMU.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:46:07am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know if reminding them that conservatives came for Catholics in the past. That scene in Washington is conservatism throughout the history of the country.

Their anti-abortion stance isn’t going to do much good if they’re the next ones conservatives come after.

Sooner or later, the Protestant RWNJ’s will turn on Catholics. It’s pretty much inevitable, especially if we’re talking about Protestant Fundies.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:46:45am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Yeah I try pointing that out too. And you’re right about the Klan. My grandfather talked about it going through Johnstown one time and it really worried him and his family since their parents were immigrants and from Melania’s country funnily enough. He certainly had his own prejudices that I saw but I never saw him go out of his way to be a jerk to to someone simply because of their skin color. All the family members I meet, it’s interesting seeing where they lie politically. Most of my first cousins, aunts, and uncles (All on my Dad’s side since my mom’s brother passed away years ago without marrying or having kids) are pretty liberal minded. I really credit a lot of how I view the world to growing up in a diverse area, reading history, and being on the spectrum.

I don’t see the large mass of cousins that often.* And at the meetings I don’t recall much, if any, political discussion. I know one of my cousins home-schooled her children, but not the particular underlying reasons for doing so. And they are fairly scattered nowadays, though there is still a good number of them around Johnstown still, including one who owns my former grandparent’s house in Portage.

* - My branch of the family is the smallest (youngest of 5). And as the youngest of 3 all my 1st cousins on my paternal side but one are older than me. And about the only time there are gatherings I am invited to are funerals at this point. I keep in some touch via Facebook with a couple of them and that’s it. My two oldest aunts generated fairly large clans due to having four and ten children respectively.

My maternal side connections are nil since my mother was the only child who survived past 15 and thus any cousins on that side are at least 2nd and I have not been in touch with any of them in decades.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:48:59am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know if reminding them that conservatives came for Catholics in the past. That scene in Washington is conservatism throughout the history of the country.

Their anti-abortion stance isn’t going to do much good if they’re the next ones conservatives come after.

The frustrating thing is they just say “Well mine came legally.” They don’t know that. All the research I’ve done and I still haven’t found the immigration records of all my family. They’re threatened by changing demographics. I think what bothered them the most about Obama’s election and it will bother them doubly so if Kamala is elected is that a black person can be their boss now. I’ve never felt threatened by such a thing since I have had PoC as authority figures in my life whether that was school or work. But equally important, I’ve had them as peers too. I don’t claim to be colorblind. I’m aware of our differences but my belief is that what should make this country unique is we were never supposed to be an ethno-state. What we actually have practiced I concede is unfortunately a different reality.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:53:39am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I’m trying to think what other denominations would be allies for the Catholics in this situation and I have no idea. I’m not at all a church going human. My take is believe what you want and leave me the hell out of it,lol. I also don’t want your religion in charge of community or society. I’m in the suburbs of Atlanta, so it’s not just the Southern Baptists that are conservative here, but I don’t know how you form coalitions with different churches on this, since I have no idea who the more liberal congregations actually are. That’s where an effort should be made though, getting these various groups together to draw in more attention to what the GOP really thinks of America and Americans. For people who claim to love this place, they hate damned near everyone who lives here. It needs to be pointed out relentlessly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:54:26am

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t see the large mass of cousins that often.* And at the meetings I don’t recall much, if any, political discussion. I know one of my cousins home-schooled her children, but not the particular underlying reasons for doing so. And they are fairly scattered nowadays, though there is still a good number of them around Johnstown still, including one who owns my former grandparent’s house in Portage.

* - My branch of the family is the smallest (youngest of 5). And as the youngest of 3 all my 1st cousins on my paternal side but one are older than me. And about the only time there are gatherings I am invited to are funerals at this point. I keep in some touch via Facebook with a couple of them and that’s it. My two oldest aunts generated fairly large clans due to having four and ten children respectively.

My maternal side connections are nil since my mother was the only child who survived past 15 and thus any cousins on that side are at least 2nd and I have not been in touch with any of them in decades.

My father’s father worked in the Labor Department. When my oldest aunt got married, her husband and my grandfather would sometimes argue politics. I don’t know how heated it got but my grandfather was the liberal and my aunt’s ex was the conservative. Both were educated guys. I think all five of my Dad’s brothers and sisters were in someway struck by how their parents treated people. My grandparents marriage itself was inter-class- my grandfather growing up more affluent and interestingly enough in a Republican household and my Nana growing up with a widower father but I’m not sure about his politics, Dad’s cousin told me he remembers him cursing Truman but a lot of people hated Truman left and right. Either way, my Dad’s parents from what I saw treated people fairly regardless of race or class background and I guess that helped make their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren liberal both politically and in life.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:59:19am

re: #226 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to think what other denominations would be allies for the Catholics in this situation and I have no idea. I’m not at all a church going human. My take is believe what you want and leave me the hell out of it,lol. I also don’t want your religion in charge of community or society. I’m in the suburbs of Atlanta, so it’s not just the Southern Baptists that are conservative here, but I don’t know how you form coalitions with different churches on this, since I have no idea who the more liberal congregations actually are. That’s where an effort should be made though, getting these various groups together to draw in more attention to what the GOP really thinks of America and Americans. For people who claim to love this place, they hate damned near everyone who lives here. It needs to be pointed out relentlessly.

It really depends where you are. I’m not church going either but it would be better off if churches were more diverse. I think part of why Catholics even more conservative ones tend to be more welcoming than Evangelicals towards newcomers is because Catholic communities are more diverse. African-American Evangelicals tend to be welcoming because of their own experiences though. A reminder though that the Southern Baptists exist in the first place due to a split over slavery. I believe they have since apologized for that but like the concept of original sin, it’s always going to be there, that their denomination owes its history to a split on slavery. You don’t read about Northern Baptists much but the few I’ve read about have been more open minded. The funny thing is in colonial days, the South was less Evangelical than the North but now it’s the other way around.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:59:57am

Catholics, including Latino Catholics, are certainly socially conservative, but their sense of “family values” is a bit different that what modern Conservatism tries to sell us: they want strong communities, good schools and effective government institutions to promote and protect them.

Modern conservative “family values” just means banning gay marriage and abortion, privatizing schools and cutting taxes and government to a bare-bones minimum.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:04:03am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

My father’s father worked in the Labor Department. When my oldest aunt got married, her husband and my grandfather would sometimes argue politics. I don’t know how heated it got but my grandfather was the liberal and my aunt’s ex was the conservative. Both were educated guys. I think all five of my Dad’s brothers and sisters were in someway struck by how their parents treated people. My grandparents marriage itself was inter-class- my grandfather growing up more affluent and interestingly enough in a Republican household and my Nana growing up with a widower father but I’m not sure about his politics, Dad’s cousin told me he remembers him cursing Truman but a lot of people hated Truman left and right. Either way, my Dad’s parents from what I saw treated people fairly regardless of race or class background and I guess that helped make their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren liberal both politically and in life.

If my parents argued politics they apparently did it away from their children. My father was the conservative from what I could tell with my mother being the liberal. Both college educated (engineer, librarian), came from working class families (truck driver for coal company, steel mill worker), and prized education and choice for their children. Religion was not a major factor in our upbringing. Both our parents were raised Catholic, but my father was non-practicing and my mother attended a UU congregation and was pretty much a secular humanist. I attended “Sunday school” at the UU church at a young age, but that was pretty much more of a child care thing than an indoctrination.

My sister attended a UU congregation as well while my brother and I are pretty much non-religious. He terms it being “a-religious”.

If asked I refer to myself as a “hopeful atheist” and explain that as “I hope there is not a overseeing and interceding capable deity since I dislike the concept of being a lab rat. If said deity is not overseeing and interceding than it doesn’t make much of a difference.” If asked about moral behavior I generally respond that moral and cooperative behavior is to the benefit of society as a whole and that all altruism does not flow from religion.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:05:25am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Catholics, including Latino Catholics, are certainly socially conservative, but their sense of “family values” is a bit different that what modern Conservatism tries to sell us: they want strong communities, good schools and effective government institutions to promote and protect them.

Modern conservative “family values” just means banning gay marriage and abortion, privatizing schools and cutting taxes and government to a bare-bones minimum.

Well in that sense, I’m socially conservative too I guess. But you’re right. That’s where there is a huge disconnect between conservative white Christians and conservative Hispanic and Black ones. I have some small letter c- conservative values too. I think family should be valued but the difference between me and the Fundies is I think that family can be headed by a single parent, two same sex parents, and still work just as well as with a mom and dad. And I also think we have the freedom not to have children if we want to either. The problem is small letter c- conservative values have been equated as being the same as capital C-conservative values. Jimmy Carter is the embodiment of the former and Trump definitely doesn’t live a small letter c-conservative lifestyle but they love the latter and hate the former. I could honestly deal with the Fundies if they were just honest that they are as pick and choosie as they accuse liberal Christians as being.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:09:10am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Hate is learned. Yes, obviously humans have weaknesses that are exploitable, which means we can surely have evil tendencies, but we are not born to hate. If you watch young children together, you just don’t see hate. Disagreements yes, over toys and things and attention, but not outright hate.

What makes what’s happening now so insidious is we have created cultural norms that reward being an asshole. Just look at what ends up on TV and passes for “entertainment” on major networks during prime time. The reality shows like big brother, the bachelor and ette, hook up island crap and so on are just bad parodies of high school cliquery and being awful for the win. Bullies and liars get paid, being nice and having integrity? Not so much. And don’t get me started on throwing gender into what’s considered strong vs. weak in our culture. That doesn’t help what’s happening either.

Even if we do get the gears fixed and boot out the fascists, we have a serious cultural reckoning we’re going to have to face, so we can stop making the same dumb mistakes over and over.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:09:22am

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

If my parents argued politics they apparently did it away from their children. My father was the conservative from what I could tell with my mother being the liberal. Both college educated (engineer, librarian), came from working class families (truck driver for coal company, steel mill worker), and prized education and choice for their children. Religion was not a major factor in our upbringing. Both our parents were raised Catholic, but my father was non-practicing and my mother attended a UU congregation and was pretty much a secular humanist. I attended “Sunday school” at the UU church at a young age, but that was pretty much more of a child care thing than an indoctrination.

My sister attended a UU congregation as well while my brother and I are pretty much non-religious. He terms it being “a-religious”.

If asked I refer to myself as a “hopeful atheist” and explain that as “I hope there is not a overseeing and interceding capable deity since I dislike the concept of being a lab rat. If said deity is not overseeing and interceding than it doesn’t make much of a difference.” If asked about moral behavior I generally respond that moral and cooperative behavior is to the benefit of society as a whole and that all altruism does not flow from religion.

Although I identify as agnostic, I definitely have a lot of the same philosophy. I look at the world as being the only one I know for certain. I want to make the best of it. I want to have fun but I also know I share it with six billion other people so I think there’s no shame in helping people. Three of my four grandparents were raised Roman Catholic and the other Greek Catholic so Catholicism has even though my brothers and I weren’t raised religious at all definitely influenced us.

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marcusgorillius  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:18:02am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

I live in rural northwestern pa. In a county that is overwhelmingly white, and sometimes I feel like I’ m living in Alabama. I am a moderate( leaning toward liberal) democrat amid a sea of Trumpers. Very frustrating. How do you reason with people who are’ not reasonable. People that would crucify Obama for for anything tolerating Trumps shit. Racism, pure and simple. I voted for Obama twice and really thought we would move ahead as a country but I was wrong. The Republicans dug in and gave him nothing. The electing of Trump has really showed what the Repubs are. I guess I’m just frustrated as hell. Right now the bad guys are winning and it seems like there is nothing the democrats will do .

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:19:39am

re: #232 A Mom Anon

Hate is learned. Yes, obviously humans have weaknesses that are exploitable, which means we can surely have evil tendencies, but we are not born to hate. If you watch young children together, you just don’t see hate. Disagreements yes, over toys and things and attention, but not outright hate.

What makes what’s happening now so insidious is we have created cultural norms that reward being an asshole. Just look at what ends up on TV and passes for “entertainment” on major networks during prime time. The reality shows like big brother, the bachelor and ette, hook up island crap and so on are just bad parodies of high school cliquery and being awful for the win. Bullies and liars get paid, being nice and having integrity? Not so much. And don’t get me started on throwing gender into what’s considered strong vs. weak in our culture. That doesn’t help what’s happening either.

Even if we do get the gears fixed and boot out the fascists, we have a serious cultural reckoning we’re going to have to face, so we can stop making the same dumb mistakes over and over.

Yeah, we’ve made celebrity of some really awful people. And you are correct about gender too. The sexism may be the biggest reason why I despise Ben Shapiro so much. He goes out of his way to belittle women any chance he gets. Women, much more intelligent, successful, and stronger than he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:24:59am

re: #234 marcusgorillius

I live in rural northwestern pa. In a county that is overwhelmingly white, and sometimes I feel like I’ m living in Alabama. I am a moderate( leaning toward liberal) democrat amid a sea of Trumpers. Very frustrating. How do you reason with people who are’ not reasonable. People that would crucify Obama for for anything tolerating Trumps shit. Racism, pure and simple. I voted for Obama twice and really thought we would move ahead as a country but I was wrong. The Republicans dug in and gave him nothing. The electing of Trump has really showed what the Repubs are. I guess I’m just frustrated as hell. Right now the bad guys are winning and it seems like there is nothing the democrats will do .

I really thought voting for Obama would be the beginning of something special. Maybe it was my naivete as Obama was the first person I ever voted for President, I was 21 that year. I really thought electing a son of a Kenyan immigrant would really help us move forward because not only did I feel Obama had better ideas than McCain, I really liked and still do like him immensely as a person. His entire family too. Michelle is one of my favorite FLOTUSes ever and teh girls seem like they’re cool too. And then the attacks on them including from Trump. What frustrates me is how my neighbors and extended family cannot see that bigotry doesn’t have to be wearing a Klan hood or NAzi armband. Bigotry can be much more abstract. I don’t know what we’re going to but this can’t go on. The right needs to stop with the culture wars and accept modernity.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:27:45am

re: #234 marcusgorillius

I am living in Alabama, and the most Alabama place I ever lived was Sussex Co, New Jersey. No one is ever far from Alabama.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:34:51am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Although I identify as agnostic, I definitely have a lot of the same philosophy. I look at the world as being the only one I know for certain. I want to make the best of it. I want to have fun but I also know I share it with six billion other people so I think there’s no shame in helping people. Three of my four grandparents were raised Roman Catholic and the other Greek Catholic so Catholicism has even though my brothers and I weren’t raised religious at all definitely influenced us.

Much the same here, raised Catholic but have not been to communion/confession since I was a kid. Would like to believe that there is some purpose behind the random chaos that seems to dominate the world, but I know that is a matter of faith and not proof.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:37:00am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I think we all thought that electing Obama, twice even, would have created more equality and begin shifting toward more fairness and opportunities for everyone. What we really didn’t count on was a rise to power of people with literally no moral compass. This has been going on, the most recent version at least, since the 60s. After the Civil Rights Act and party shifts resulting from that, there was an organized effort by the GOP to stop progress of any kind. It’s not been given the serious attention it should have been. I think Democrats believed that taking the high road and not sinking to their level would work. Meanwhile the GOP was taking over state and local government with an eye on implementing everything they could that would destroy work labeled “liberal” or “commie”. That worked it’s way to DC and we’re paying for it now. We have lots of catching up to do and we have got to get it through our heads that THE WORK IS NEVER DONE. We can never get too comfortable when democracy is at stake. And it will always be at stake. Always.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:37:15am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Much the same here, raised Catholic but have not been to communion/confession since I was a kid. Would like to believe that there is some purpose behind the random chaos that seems to dominate the world, but I know that is a matter of faith and not proof.

We just gotta live the best lives we can and realize we’re sharing this life with other people and animals. Everything connects in some way. That’s the fallacy of isolationism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:38:26am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I really thought voting for Obama would be the beginning of something special.

I also had this silly notion that even Conservatives could point at Obama and show him as proof of the conservative American Dream that anyone, regardless of race or background, could rise to the highest office in the land if they worked hard enough.

But that would have involved acknowledging his achievements, even if they did so only grudgingly.

That was too much for them. Instead, they insisted he was some kind of Manchurian Candidate Affirmative Action coddled poster child who bought the election by offering Tons of Free Stuff to unemployed parasites who did not deserve to vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:40:49am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

We just gotta live the best lives we can and realize we’re sharing this life with other people and animals. Everything connects in some way. That’s the fallacy of isolationism.

My ex-wife dabbled in Nichiren Buddhism for a while. I could never really get into it in any way, but I appreciated their view that all life and all things are interconnected, and I liked the way the church was structured, run by lay people, and not hierarchical.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:42:53am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also had this silly notion that even Conservatives could point at Obama and show him as proof of the conservative American Dream that anyone, regardless of race or background, could rise to the highest office in the land if they worked hard enough.

But that would have involved acknowledging his achievements, even if they did so only grudgingly.

That was too much for them. Instead, they insisted he was some kind of Manchurian Candidate Affirmative Action coddled poster child who bought the election by offering Tons of Free Stuff to unemployed parasites who did not deserve to vote.

Exactly. They never even granted him that. I remember I think Gingrich called him the Affirmative Action President or some crap like that and I remember the countless white conservatives who suggested that liberals like me who voted for him did so only because he was black. I won’t lie. I’m happy we got a black man President because we needed that perspective for once in the Oval Office but I chose Obama over McCain and Romney because his values were more in line with mine and I stand by those votes. McCain wouldn’t have fixed Bush’s economic fuck ups and military mess ups. It’s not because McCain was a bad man but because IMO he was unequipped to handle them and the right wing learned nothing from the mistakes of the Bush years just as they’ll elarn nothing from Trump.

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jeffreyw  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:45:11am

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:45:21am

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t see the large mass of cousins that often.* And at the meetings I don’t recall much, if any, political discussion. I know one of my cousins home-schooled her children, but not the particular underlying reasons for doing so. And they are fairly scattered nowadays, though there is still a good number of them around Johnstown still, including one who owns my former grandparent’s house in Portage.

* - My branch of the family is the smallest (youngest of 5). And as the youngest of 3 all my 1st cousins on my paternal side but one are older than me. And about the only time there are gatherings I am invited to are funerals at this point. I keep in some touch via Facebook with a couple of them and that’s it. My two oldest aunts generated fairly large clans due to having four and ten children respectively.

My maternal side connections are nil since my mother was the only child who survived past 15 and thus any cousins on that side are at least 2nd and I have not been in touch with any of them in decades.

Your family is way bigger than mine.

Everyone on my father’s side of the family is gone except my sister.

I have one son my ex-wife turned against me when he was a small child because of religion.

On my mother’s side, she is alive and her brother is gone. My uncle had five children, all of whom are nominally in liberal protestant denominations who disowned both my sister and me (except for my eldest cousin). My aunt remarried and had one more child (nominally my first cousin but she won’t have anything to do with me either).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:46:23am

I voted for Obama because I found him to be the better candidate. Period.

Had McCain won the 2000 GOP nomination, I would have considered voting for him. Had I lived in Massachusetts in 2003, I might have voted for Mitt Romney for governor.

And nobody mentioned the role that White Affirmative Action played in the careers of people like Bush, McCain or Mitt Romney…

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marcusgorillius  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:48:21am

re: #244 jeffreyw

Good morning to you also! Love your pics.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:50:23am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I voted for Obama because I found him to be the better candidate. Period.

Had McCain won the 2000 GOP nomination, I would have considered voting for him. Had I lived in Massachusetts in 2003, I might have voted for Mitt Romney for governor.

And nobody mentioned the role that White Affirmative Action played in the careers of people like Bush, McCain or Mitt Romney…

I did not vote in 2008 (disenfranchised by the residency requirements of Oklahoma).

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:51:36am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I voted for Obama because I found him to be the better candidate. Period.

Had McCain won the 2000 GOP nomination, I would have considered voting for him. Had I lived in Massachusetts in 2003, I might have voted for Mitt Romney for governor.

And nobody mentioned the role that White Affirmative Action played in the careers of people like Bush, McCain or Mitt Romney…

I always thought “folksy Texan” Bush downright laughable given his background. Though affecting the accent not so much given I knew people who moved to Houston from Pittsburgh and had the Texan accent within 4-5 years. (Though they could switch back into Pittsburghese when necessary.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:52:43am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

I always thought “folksy Texan” Bush downright laughable given his background. Though affecting the accent not so much given I knew people who moved to Houston from Pittsburgh and had the Texan accent within 4-5 years. (Though they could switch back into Pittsburghese when necessary.)

Pittsburgh: A whole ‘nother country.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:55:06am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Exactly. They never even granted him that. I remember I think Gingrich called him the Affirmative Action President or some crap like that and I remember the countless white conservatives who suggested that liberals like me who voted for him did so only because he was black. I won’t lie. I’m happy we got a black man President because we needed that perspective for once in the Oval Office but I chose Obama over McCain and Romney because his values were more in line with mine and I stand by those votes. McCain wouldn’t have fixed Bush’s economic fuck ups and military mess ups. It’s not because McCain was a bad man but because IMO he was unequipped to handle them and the right wing learned nothing from the mistakes of the Bush years just as they’ll elarn nothing from Trump.

Unfortunately there are people whose lives are driven by competition, hate, and jealousy. Some I have known appear to have never been happy or accepting of their progress or position, and have focused that unhappiness externally in how others are holding them back. Pretty easy pickings for demagogues who play to that.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:57:28am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

Pittsburgh: A whole ‘nother country.

Not from there, but still fond of that area from living in/near there from 1981-2007 and my father being from just east of there and that being close enough to have “slippy” as part of his vocabulary.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:57:48am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

I always thought “folksy Texan” Bush downright laughable given his background. Though affecting the accent not so much given I knew people who moved to Houston from Pittsburgh and had the Texan accent within 4-5 years. (Though they could switch back into Pittsburghese when necessary.)

I think the whole folkishness was an act. He saw how his father was seen as out of touch. The infamous grocery store incident which I understand was misconstrued but HW didn’t hide his patrician background in how he dealt with politics. I think the accent is legitimate. I have two cousins in the UK. They definitely sound a little British and I myself found myself using Irish slang after living a month in Galway. As for Pittsburghnese, my mom’s father despite living in Va longer than Johnstown never lost his. My grandmother sort of did but she still has it a little.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:59:17am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I seriously do not get what AOC sees in him. He’s not a good ally.

Well, remember how well Biden worked with the openly racist Dixiecrat Eastman? //

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:00:08am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

Pittsburgh: A whole ‘nother country.

It’s a special place to me because it’s where my family started our American journey. A lot of my athletic rooting interests are rooted in that even though I’ve only actually visited Pittsburgh once but I have been to Johnstown more since mom’s aunt and uncle still lived there when I was a kid. Mom’s Aunt was my godmother too.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:06:12am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

It’s a special place to me because it’s where my family started our American journey. A lot of my athletic rooting interests are rooted in that even though I’ve only actually visited Pittsburgh once but I have been to Johnstown more since mom’s aunt and uncle still lived there when I was a kid. Mom’s Aunt was my godmother too.

It’s an area that embraced its diversity to some degree. However there is still a hefty racist undercurrent since the surrounding counties are mostly white (95%+ IIRC).

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steve_davis  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:07:10am

re: #115 MsJ

Christ. An entire week. I hope they don’t do this every night. My poor dogs.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:10:11am

re: #257 steve_davis

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My current cats seem to pretty much ignore thunder and fireworks. They noticed and mildly reacted to some set off just outside the building a few weeks ago, but otherwise are pretty nonchalant about it. The two Siamese were much more jumpy and went and hid under the bed during fireworks or close thunderstorms.

All clear - time for a nap
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:12:05am

Looks like a whole lotta shakin’ goin’ on, at least in the Athens, Greece area:

A strong earthquake has been felt in the Greek capital of Athens, causing people to run out into the streets.

The tremor measured 5.1 on the Richter scale, according to the Athens Institute of Geodynamics, but the US Geological Survey gave it a preliminary magnitude of 5.3.

The quake was “strong but fortunately not very long”, according to one witness quoted by the European Earthquake Monitor.

There was no immediate word on injuries or damage.

independent.co.uk

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:16:20am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I’m remembering my first semester of American history at community college. My professor was a guy around my Dad’s age. A southerner(contrasting with myself since I honestly don’t see myself as a Southerner, I don’t necessarily see myself as a Northerner either) but he seemed pretty liberal minded. Anyhow, one historical event he talked about as important was Bacon’s Rebellion. I’m not sure how famous it is nationally but it was something I had learned about in the 4th grade(Virginia in the fourth grade in the mid 90’s at least taught Virginia history that year). But Professor Reed’s point was that Bacon’s Rebellion was important because it began the scapegoating and later use of violence on a group in the so called frustrated majority. I was really happy when he wrote a reference for me when I transferred to GMU.

It was not mentioned in my mandatory Michigan history class. /s

That said, I went to Wikipedia, that font of all human ken [citation needed]. As it turns out, neither Gov. Berkeley nor Nathanial Bacon were decent people. Bacon appears to have rebelled because he was left out of Bekeley’s patronage, and wanted to lead attacks on Native Americans. The argument was Natives were raiding frontier settlements.

While he was busy with his army in the colonial capital, his own area was raided by said-same natives because he’d taken all it’s defenders to overthrow the government.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:17:00am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s an area that embraced its diversity to some degree. However there is still a hefty racist undercurrent since the surrounding counties are mostly white (95%+ IIRC).

Yeah you are right about that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:17:54am

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

It was not mentioned in my mandatory Michigan history class. /s

That said, I went to Wikipedia, that font of all human ken [citation needed]. As it turns out, neither Gov. Berkeley nor Nathanial Berkeley were decent people. Bacon appears to have rebelled because he was left out of Bekeley’s patronage, and wanted to lead attacks on Native Americans. The argument was Natives were raiding frontier settlements.

While he was busy with his army in the colonial capital, his own area was raided by said-same natives because he’d taken all it’s defenders to overthrow the government.

Yeah the Governor seems to have been awful too.

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jeffreyw  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:33:42am

re: #247 marcusgorillius

I can’t type worth a shit but I can put up pictures!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:38:29am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

God: That’s not in the Bible.

Really good look today dragging non-violent Catholic nuns and monks out in handcuffs for protesting cruelty. Really good look, God’s Own Party.

That’s actually walking their church’s walk. I’m impressed. (No, I’m not going to CCD any time soon, but damn, I hope the GOP gets a giant exodus of Catholics from their party over that.)

I deal with hard core Catholic forced birthers on the phone every day who scream about the “baby-killer Democrats”. Even when they find out their kids have been molested by priests they still stay in the cult. They won’t leave and they still continue to purge out of their cult the faction that believes in” liberation theology”.

That’s the evil legacy of JP2—purging the liberals out of the church.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:44:16am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Governor seems to have been awful too.

Maryland had a similar revolt some years later, in which a disaffected Anglican priest became a Puritan. He saw Maryland’s majority-Catholic government as an offence to his religious sensibilities (and he also couldn’t get patronage from the government), so he raised an army of Protestant citizens in Maryland. They successfully overthrew the colonial government.

He later participated in two more rebellions, both of which failed. He was then charged by the Puritan government of Maryland with “blasphemy against the Christian faith,” for which he was sentenced to a fine of £20 and to be bored through the tongue with a red-hot iron (he was pardoned by the new governor for his past service in the Protestant rebellion in the colony).

After that, he tried to get reëected to the Maryland Assembly, but the majority Puritan government kept him out due to his past as an Anglican priest.

John Coode (Wikipedia for information on him)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:45:44am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My ex-wife dabbled in Nichiren Buddhism for a while. I could never really get into it in any way, but I appreciated their view that all life and all things are interconnected, and I liked the way the church was structured, run by lay people, and not hierarchical.

My ex girlfriend was into the Soka Gakkai cult. Ikeda this Ikeda that. She was a wonderful companion to be with but when she tried to get me to chant it just got to the point that we had to split up. And when I tried to get her to see what a crook Ikeda was she reacted just like any other cult member. Tried to get a rabbi from Chabad to chat with her but it did not work out.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:48:35am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

Maryland had a similar revolt some years later, in which a disaffected Anglican priest became a Puritan. He saw Maryland’s majority-Catholic government as an offence to his religious sensibilities (and he also couldn’t get patronage from the government), so he raised an army of Protestant citizens in Maryland. They successfully overthrew the colonial government.

He later participated in two more rebellions, both of which failed. He was then charged by the Puritan government of Maryland with “blasphemy against the Christian faith,” for which he was sentenced to a fine of £20 and to be bored through the tongue with a red-hot iron (he was pardoned by the new governor for his past service in the Protestant rebellion in the colony).

After that, he tried to get reëected to the Maryland Assembly, but the majority Puritan government kept him out due to his past as an Anglican priest.

John Coode (Wikipedia for information on him)

Interesting. Never read about that before. Anyhow so basically the thesis was that this was the granddaddy of ugly right wing populist movements. I really could take another history course but in the meantime I’m educating myself on WWI

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:49:51am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I seriously do not get what AOC sees in him. He’s not a good ally.

Bernie has a significant national following, and they will be hers. I can see AOC running for President in 2028.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:51:17am

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

My ex girlfriend was into the Soka Gakkai cult. Ikeda this Ikeda that. She was a wonderful companion to be with but when she tried to get me to chant it just got to the point that we had to split up. And when I tried to get her to see what a crook Ikeda was she reacted just like any other cult member. Tried to get a rabbi from Chabad to chat with her but it did not work out.

never got into the chanting, my ex was raised areligiously, I thought that some spirituality might help calm her down and give some orientation.

didn’t work

she was too busy to chant or get too involved in church activities, tried to get me to cover for her

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:52:08am

re: #268 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I can too. I like her but I think she needs to pass some legislation once Trump is gone.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:52:56am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:57:34am

Nothing would give Republicans more pleasure than to see race riots break out.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:06:18am

re: #9 Targetpractice

Trump condemns “Send Her Back” chants, which means we can be sure that when they happen at his next rally, all he’ll be able to do is whine that he has no control over his supporters.

Stochastic terrorism.

Trump is a stochastic terrorist. His words have consequences. They enrage and enable his racist white supremacist base to act, as they have already done in Pittsburgh at the Tree of Life shul, and in Charlottesville, where Trump equated goddamned Nazis with the people protesting goddamned Nazis.

He will use this again, and then he’ll join in with the chants. He did this all through 2015/2016, and he’ll be back at it again.

It’s his thing. It’s always been his thing. He’s a racist for decades and the policies he’s enacting are a white supremacist’s wet dream. He wants to stop nonwhite immigration (and is considering shuttering the office overseeing refugee entry to US). He demonizes nonwhite immigrants and migrants. He attacks POC who aren’t waving his MAGA flag.

It’s going to get a lot worse. And we’ve got a media that still doesn’t comprehend the damage Trump does with his lies even as they regurgitate it without context. They’re stenographers and hagiographers aiding Trump and his propagandists at Fox.

There are few willing to debunk Trump in real time, and to dig into Trumpworld, and we need more like them. Every media outlet needs them, but that requires time, money, and the media outlets are more concerned with profits than investigative journalism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:07:04am

re: #272 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nothing would give Republicans more pleasure than to see race riots break out.

because they would be blamed on having too many of the wrong people here

and whatever steps Trump takes will be praised

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:10:36am

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:12:01am

re: #166 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

well that was certainly the weirdest episode of the handmaid’s tale ever

NO SPOILERS! I am like six episodes behind.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:14:07am

Way too many conservatives in Maine:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:17:49am

re: #277 Belafon

Way too many conservatives in Maine:

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Selling your soul to Mitch has consequences. I guarantee if Susan loses, she will be one of those ex Republican office holders deploring the direction of the party under Trump and the media will eat it up and ignore she was responsible for abominations like Barf Kavanaugh.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:20:07am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Selling your soul to Mitch has consequences. I guarantee if Susan loses, she will be one of those ex Republican office holders deploring the direction of the party under Trump and the media will eat it up and ignore she was responsible for abominations like Barf Kavanaugh.

Agree, but 45% of the state still likes her.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:21:03am

re: #279 Belafon

Agree, but 45% of the state still likes her.

Yeah but that’s 33% less than three years ago.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:37:00am

From the Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:38:57am

re: #182 Dread Pirate

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Sometimes, historians don’t have to look very far into the past to make a point:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:41:43am

THIS STUPID BINT (still smarter than Eric tho)

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dell*nix  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:42:25am

For some reason I get the feeling that I am in an episode of Supernatural.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:43:33am

re: #282 Belafon

Sometimes, historians don’t have to look very far into the past to make a point:

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And frankly McCain did run a pretty ugly campaign against Obama. Not as ugly as Romney. Republicans don’t want to be called racist but they don’t want to stop doing the things that get them called racist. And honestly Lindsay said more harsh words about Trump than some lefties did but he’s suddenly been reborn as Trump’s defender.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:43:34am

I fear for our civilization when our media outlets when they peddle conspiracy theories and elevate them to speak as equals with those who deal with facts.

For instance:

Trump’s virulent racism is treated as magic balance fairy bulkshit or ignored as though the media has collective amnesia about what Trump did last week, last month, or last time he ran in 2015/2016. Trump has now and has always been a racist and bigot. Nothing has changed. He uses the same tactics, and knows that the media wont bother holding him accountable. And the handful of GOPers who are speaking out on this aren’t blameless either.

Trump knows the GOP wont either. They’re cowards who fear the dragon of white supremacy they’ve spent decades cultivating. This didn’t happen overnight. It took decades of blaming nonwhites for the problems angry white guys have as opportunities and jobs pass them by. It’s easier to blame the black guy for the white guy’s problem than to tackle chronic under-education, lack of job opportunities, retraining, and reorienting the economy to address worker needs in light of increased automation.

It’s easier to claim MAGA than to do anything to actually make it great - unless you think making it great means stopping nonwhites from coming here to take your jobs.

Do these angry white guys think that nonwhite doctors are taking their jobs? That nonwhite migrant farm workers are taking their jobs?

These are the jobs that these angry white guys aren’t doing - because they don’t have the skills or the will to do them. Yeah. They wont go out in the fields to pick crops. They think it’s beneath them or that they can’t handle more than a few days in the fields before their bodies revolt against all the repetitive motion, the pain of lifting heavy crates, and the inability to go to the bathroom in sanitary conditions.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:44:25am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

THIS STUPID BINT (still smarter than Eric tho)

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He didn’t condemn it until he got called out on it. This fucking family.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:44:32am

They want to cut refugee admissions to zero next year

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:45:31am

Trump wants to hear all about the rapes, every detail.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:45:44am

Ok…. I know there’s a lot of MJ naysayers here. I have a “but” on this this morning. This block is worth the full view especially when Joe takes off on the Kevsters…… Oh boy.

Please. Watch. Share

Republicans finally panic over Trump’s remarks msnbc.com via @msnbc

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:46:29am

re: #14 Interesting Times

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New HuffPost/YouGov poll: Americans say, 50% to 35%, that the president is a racist. This number is virtually unchanged since February, and remains starkly divided along political lines

“The president is a racist” is not an opinion question

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:48:57am

re: #291 DangerMan

“The president is a racist” is not an opinion question

Had an employee brought what Trump said before the EEOC, it would have been de facto discrimination and racism. It’s right there in the EEOC guidelines as what constitutes discriminatory/racist intent.

He knew. He also knew that the media would buy his baffling BS about disavowal. He’ll be right back smirking at the chants and within a few weeks cheering along with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:49:57am

re: #286 lawhawk

I fear for our civilization when our media outlets when they peddle conspiracy theories and elevate them to speak as equals with those who deal with facts.

For instance:

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Trump knows the GOP wont either. They’re cowards who fear the dragon of white supremacy they’ve spent decades cultivating. This didn’t happen overnight. It took decades of blaming nonwhites for the problems angry white guys have as opportunities and jobs pass them by. It’s easier to blame the black guy for the white guy’s problem than to tackle chronic under-education, lack of job opportunities, retraining, and reorienting the economy to address worker needs in light of increased automation.

It’s easier to claim MAGA than to do anything to actually make it great - unless you think making it great means stopping nonwhites from coming here to take your jobs.

Do these angry white guys think that nonwhite doctors are taking their jobs? That nonwhite migrant farm workers are taking their jobs?

These are the jobs that these angry white guys aren’t doing - because they don’t have the skills or the will to do them. Yeah. They wont go out in the fields to pick crops. They think it’s beneath them or that they can’t handle more than a few days in the fields before their bodies revolt against all the repetitive motion, the pain of lifting heavy crates, and the inability to go to the bathroom in sanitary conditions.

Weld like so many Republicans opposed to Trump is delusional about his party. This didn’t happen overnight. This has its origins with people who the Never-Trumpers hold up as conservative exemplars like Reagan, Buckley, and others.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:51:26am

re: #291 DangerMan

“The president is a racist” is not an opinion question

No, but “do you believe the president is a racist is.” And the question, like all polls, is about the people taking the poll.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:52:24am

re: #140 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The “rich” don’t really have enough money to cover the debt.

Printing money is just austerity by another name. Hyperinflation leads to the inability to buy goods and services, just like physically limiting those goods and services.

Oddly enough, the rich DO have enough money to cover the debt.

The total net worth of all Americans, combined, is over $60 Trillion. More than half of that is owned by the wealthiest 1%. That would be enough to cover the entire debt, and the next two years federal budget.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:55:53am

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Scalia
Another pick who has no experience or clue how to run a large bureaucracy

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:59:02am

re: #296 DangerMan

Scalia
Another pick who has no experience or clue how to run a large bureaucracy

I am surprised they came up with a pick though since we seem to live in the age of the acting secretary but yep another right wing prick unqualified.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:59:56am

EWWW
In spoilers because EWWWW

Click to Reveal
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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:01:48am

re: #298 The Pie Overlord!

EWWW
In spoilers because EWWWW

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I’ll save the story for later, so my question is: How did they know to look there?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:02:48am

re: #299 Belafon

I’ll save the story for later, so my question is: How did they know to look there?

article says they had reasons to suspect she was in possession and so took her in for a body cavity search.

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Chrysicat  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:06:10am
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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:06:21am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

article says they had reasons to suspect she was in possession and so took her in for a body cavity search.

I’m definitely curious about their reasoning in this case considering the awful way cops were ordering body cavity searches a few years ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:09:58am

re: #302 Belafon

I’m definitely curious about their reasoning in this case considering the awful way cops were ordering body cavity searches a few years ago.

not much about it in the article

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:10:54am

re: #303 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not much about it in the article

Thanks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:13:05am

(USA TODAY) Iran denied Friday it lost a drone in the Strait of Hormuz after the United States said it had “destroyed” an Iranian drone that was threatening a U.S. ship.

“We have not lost any drone in the Strait of Hormuz nor anywhere else. I am worried that USS Boxer has shot down their own UAS (Unmanned Aerial System) by mistake!,” Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said on Twitter.

Iran’s semi-official Tasnim news agency quoted military spokesman Gen. Abolfazl Shekari as saying that “all Iranian drones that are in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, including the one which the U.S. president mentioned, after carrying out scheduled identification and control missions, have returned to their bases.”

The Strait of Hormuz is a strategic waterway for the seaborne transportation of about a fifth of the world’s global crude oil exports.

President Donald Trump said on Thursday that the drone was threatening a U.S. ship and was “immediately destroyed.” He said the drone came within 1,000 yards and ignored “multiple calls to stand down.

I know the claim is dubious given the source but it would be so on brand for this fucked up, corrupt administration to shoot down one of our own drones then try to blame it on Iran as a pretense for a war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:14:26am

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

I know the claim is dubious given the source but it would be so on brand for this fucked up, corrupt administration to shoot down one of our own drones then try to blame it on Iran as a pretense for a war.

Or that our expensive modern automatic technology is incapable of recognizing one of our own drones and shot it down by accident

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:18:44am

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:18:52am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

The frustrating thing is they just say “Well mine came legally.” They don’t know that.

I do know that my mom’s grandparents came here legally.

Of course, that was at a time when the only immigration law in the whole country, the only limitation on who was a legal immigrant, was the Chinese Exclusion Act. Which presumably also forbid Japanese, Korean, Thai, etc.

In any case, the great-grands were Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe, not the least little bit Asian. Therefore, entirely legal.

(Dad’s parents, it’s a little fuzzier. They came in the 1920’s, I’m not sure of the exact year so I don’t know if they had visas, if it was before or after the 1924 law started the country-of-origin quotas… the stories they told me were contradictory, I haven’t done the research to find out which are true).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:19:16am

And in more fucked up Trump news via POLITICO:

The Trump administration is considering a virtual shutdown of refugee admissions next year — cutting the number to nearly zero — according to three people familiar with the plan.

During a key meeting of security officials on refugee admissions last week, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services representative who is closely aligned with White House immigration adviser Stephen Miller suggested setting a cap at zero, the people said. Homeland Security Department officials at the meeting later floated making the level anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000, according to one of the people.

The proposal for a near-shutdown of the refugee program is alarming officials at the Department of Defense, who don’t want to see a halt in admissions of Iraqis who risked their lives assisting U.S. forces in that country. The possible move comes after the Trump administration cut refugee admissions by a third this year, to 30,000.

If the administration shuts down refugee admissions, it would give President Donald Trump a powerful talking point as he makes immigration restrictions a centerpiece of his reelection campaign.

These people are pure fucking evil man…and Miller is about the worst of the bunch.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:22:31am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or that our expensive modern automatic technology is incapable of recognizing one of our own drones and shot it down by accident

Or absolutly nothing happened, and Trump is making it all up. Choas and confusion is a feature not a bug for the GOP. I hate this timeline.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:22:33am

re: #308 sagehen

I do know that my mom’s grandparents came here legally.

Of course, that was at a time when the only immigration law in the whole country, the only limitation on who was a legal immigrant, was the Chinese Exclusion Act. Which presumably also forbid Japanese, Korean, Thai, etc.

In any case, the great-grands were Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe, not the least little bit Asian. Therefore, entirely legal.

(Dad’s parents, it’s a little fuzzier. They came in the 1920’s, I’m not sure of the exact year so I don’t know if they had visas, if it was before or after the 1924 law started the country-of-origin quotas… the stories they told me were contradictory, I haven’t done the research to find out which are true).

Let’s see. I have my Dad’s paternal grandfather’s record. He came with his parents in 1882. I have all four of my mom’s grandparents who arrived between 1905-1921. Great Grandma was Great Grandpa’s second wife so she came much later and just missed teh 1924 quotas by a few years. I also have one of Dad’s great grandmothers who came from Scotland with her widowed mom and siblings in 1871 but the others notta. I think the earliest ones arrived in the early years of teh French Revolution. I’m not sure what specifically motivated them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:23:21am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

And in more fucked up Trump news via POLITICO:

The Trump administration is considering a virtual shutdown of refugee admissions next year — cutting the number to nearly zero — according to three people familiar with the plan.

During a key meeting of security officials on refugee admissions last week, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services representative who is closely aligned with White House immigration adviser Stephen Miller suggested setting a cap at zero, the people said. Homeland Security Department officials at the meeting later floated making the level anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000, according to one of the people.

The proposal for a near-shutdown of the refugee program is alarming officials at the Department of Defense, who don’t want to see a halt in admissions of Iraqis who risked their lives assisting U.S. forces in that country. The possible move comes after the Trump administration cut refugee admissions by a third this year, to 30,000.

If the administration shuts down refugee admissions, it would give President Donald Trump a powerful talking point as he makes immigration restrictions a centerpiece of his reelection campaign.

These people are pure fucking evil man…and Miller is about the worst of the bunch.

Daily reminder that Miller was Richard Spencer’s protege in college.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:24:07am
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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:24:36am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

If the administration shuts down refugee admissions, it would give President Donald Trump a powerful talking point as he makes immigration restrictions a centerpiece of his reelection campaign.

It wouldn’t give him anything.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:25:06am

re: #281 Teddy’s Person

From the Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran

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When you’re torn whether to believe iran or your own president

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:25:36am

re: #314 Belafon

It wouldn’t give him anything.

Oh, I know. That was POLITICOS musing, not mine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:26:03am

I’m wondering if the Democrats will get more serious about impeachment after all the information from the Mueller hearings comes out?

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:26:18am

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh, I know. That was POLITICOS musing, not mine.

I know you know :). That was definitely directed at Politico.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:26:48am

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m wondering if the Democrats will get more serious about impeachment after all the information from the Mueller hearings comes out?

How many protests will there be?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:27:20am

Shutting down refugee admissions. I can think of nothing more anti-American than that. Although my family weren’t officially refugees and I don’t think that existed in the early 1850’s. They may well as been. They were fleeing a terrible Famine in Conneacht. They were forced to pay taxes to the Anglican church. Not even fifty years before, their parents and grandparents lived under the Penal Laws. I get legitimately angry when I see my fellow Americans who have an idea what their ancestors went through embrace the same bullshit that would have kept their families out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:27:31am

re: #307 Teddy’s Person

Reminds me of the joke about the two fellows pissing off a bridge, one brags “Water’s sure cold!” to which the other replies “Yeah, and deep, too!”

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:28:34am

re: #294 Belafon

No, but “do you believe the president is a racist is.” And the question, like all polls, is about the people taking the poll.

Is as non sequitur as “Do you believe in gravity?”

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:29:22am

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m wondering if the Democrats will get more serious about impeachment after all the information from the Mueller hearings comes out?

That should be the kickoff.

We should get specific questions as to how Barr acted to shut down investigations. Who contacted SDNY and told them to stop investigating Trumpworld despite clear evidence of criminal wrongdoing (Hicks perjured herself is just the tip of that iceberg).

But even if Mueller just reads from his own report, it should be enough to get more Democrats on board. We know the GOP has ignored the report - they’ve said as much. They haven’t bothered to read it, as though burying their head in the sand will make the obstruction and criminal misconduct disappear.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:31:10am

re: #315 DangerMan

When you’re torn whether to believe iran or your own president

It’s unsettling to say the least.

Your post yesterday about Postcards to Voters got me motivated to finally sign-up. I’m going to send in my practice postcard this morning and, hopefully, will be writing and sending postcards soon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:46:36am

re: #281 Teddy’s Person

From the Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran

Still nothing on the US Navy’s news site about this.
navy.mil

This is starting to smell like cow pies.

Associated Press reported Trump’s claim right after he made it, acting as stenographers.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:49:13am

re: #276 The Pie Overlord!

NO SPOILERS! I am like six episodes behind.

Very much no spoilers, we haven’t started season three yet.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:54:07am

My wife showed me the Cats trailer, and while I can’t watch the video right now, I can imagine it:

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:54:10am

re: #326 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Very much no spoilers, we haven’t started season three yet.

Hah!! I just got access to Amazon Prime (not my account ;-)) and am planning on binge-watching over the next couple weeks.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:55:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:55:22am

re: #324 Teddy’s Person

It’s unsettling to say the least.

Your post yesterday about Postcards to Voters got me motivated to finally sign-up. I’m going to send in my practice postcard this morning and, hopefully, will be writing and sending postcards soon.

I’m going to look into Postcards to Voters as well. My handwriting is exceptionally clear and easy to read, so hopefully that would be useful to them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:57:55am
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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:58:37am

re: #327 Belafon

Yeah, it’s weird at best.

But that’s not the weirdest trailer dropped yesterday. That’d be the Top Gun: Maverick trailer.

Who wanted this movie 30+ years after the original. I mean besides Cruise. Still, the visuals of the F/A 18 Super Hornets in flight are pretty spectacular.

Top Gun: Maverick | Official Trailer

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:00:37am

re: #328 Hecuba’s daughter

Hah!! I just got access to Amazon Prime (not my account ;-)) and am planning on binge-watching over the next couple weeks.

Handmaid’s Tale is carried by Hulu. is it available at Amazon?

re: #322 DangerMan

Is as non sequitur as “Do you believe in gravity?”

And most flat earthers would answer that question “no.” (See all the flat earth videos on YouTube discussing why gravity is a hoax.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:01:44am

re: #333 Anymouse 🌹

Handmaids Tale is a Hulu exclusive I believe.

EDIT: No, it’s not an exclusive, but the cost may differ depending on how you choose to watch it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:02:27am

re: #333 Anymouse 🌹

Handmaid’s Tale is carried by Hulu. is it available at Amazon?

re: #322 DangerMan

And most flat earthers would answer that question “no.” (See all the flat earth videos on YouTube discussing why gravity is a hoax.)

Ouch!! Too many media platforms out there! So I have to find someone with Hulu now?

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Kilroy was here  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:02:41am

re: #331 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And this is all the proof you need that the world isn’t flat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:03:19am

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:05:12am

I’m finally watching the Sopranos. Quick point of amusement from watching the first season and the episode with the girls’ soccer coach but Tony and the guys seem more enlightened on women and athletics than most conservative men of 2019.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:06:19am

re: #330 Anymouse 🌹

I’m going to look into Postcards to Voters as well. My handwriting is exceptionally clear and easy to read, so hopefully that would be useful to them.

And that British accent in your writing will really help.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:06:35am

re: #330 Anymouse 🌹

I’m going to look into Postcards to Voters as well. My handwriting is exceptionally clear and easy to read, so hopefully that would be useful to them.

I’ve beening wantint to do it for some time now. I’ve got lots of free time right now so I want to put it to good use.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:07:00am

re: #335 Hecuba’s daughter

Ouch!! Too many media platforms out there! So I have to find someone with Hulu now?

I wanted Amazon Prime for a different series. This is really annoying: too many series that are interesting and they are all exclusive to different services.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:08:17am

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

I know the claim is dubious given the source but it would be so on brand for this fucked up, corrupt administration to shoot down one of our own drones then try to blame it on Iran as a pretense for a war.

That would be the legitimate military definition of a false flag attack, not the conspiratorial nonsense you hear around events like 9/11.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:09:51am

re: #332 lawhawk

Well, I now have a new number one least anticipated movie of all time. Yuck.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:10:07am

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

That would be the legitimate military definition of a false flag attack, not the conspiratorial nonsense you hear around events like 9/11.

What we appear to know right now for sure is that someone is lying.

(Even if there was a drone shot down that wasn’t Iranian since Trump said it was.)

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:10:53am

re: #332 lawhawk

Yeah, it’s weird at best.

But that’s not the weirdest trailer dropped yesterday. That’d be the Top Gun: Maverick trailer.

Who wanted this movie 30+ years after the original. I mean besides Cruise. Still, the visuals of the F/A 18 Super Hornets in flight are pretty spectacular.

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The first thought when I read the plot for this movie was Iron Eagle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:14:17am

re: #339 Belafon

And that British accent in your writing will really help.

lol.

Blame that on me being too lazy to reset my computer to American English after my editing job was over.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:15:02am

re: #344 Feline Fearless Leader

What we appear to know right now for sure is that someone is lying.

(Even if there was a drone shot down that wasn’t Iranian since Trump said it was.)

Seems that this was confirmed by defense officials. Since their response was after Trump’s assertion, they might have lied for him. But who knows?

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:15:26am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:17:09am

re: #341 Hecuba’s daughter

I wanted Amazon Prime for a different series. This is really annoying: too many series that are interesting and they are all exclusive to different services.

Welcome to the new reality. Everyone wants a piece of the streaming pie and shows keep bouncing around. You try to save money by ditching Cable and subscribing to Hulu, Netflix and Amazon Prime. But by the end of the year you’ll need to have Hulu, Netflix, Prime, HBO Max, Disney Plus, whatever NBC calls their new service, plus CBS All Access if you want to watch Star Trek episodes or other CBS exclusives.

And ultimately you’ll end up paying exactly the same amount you used to pay for Cable for all the different things you want to watch.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:17:16am

re: #345 Belafon

The first thought when I read the plot for this movie was Iron Eagle.

Bruckheimer and a director mainly known for CGI fests. I expect a plot shallower than most bird baths.

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Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:21:03am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

THIS STUPID BINT (still smarter than Eric tho)

Eric’s hired wife.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:21:35am

re: #348 lawhawk

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Bullshit. He knows they were about her race. That’s why the cowardly piece of shit who supposedly hates political correctness is distancing himself form it.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:22:44am

Palate cleanser:

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Ferdinand  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:23:46am

We cut the broadcast TV cord a couple of months ago, so we’re doing a deep Netflix and Amazon Prime dive these days. Deadwood, finally - amazing! Stranger Things. For food and travel, we highly recommend Somebody Feed Phil (with the creator of Seinfeld). Now we’re binging and loving The Umbrella Academy. Lots of stuff out there, and I’m better when I can’t mindlessly flick through the channels.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:27:59am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

So many conservatives rail against single-parent homes.

More than once during my life I’ve asked someone who interjected that “why do you hate war widows like my mother?”

After my father was killed, pressure was on from people in my village in Michigan for her to re-marry (it was scandalous for her to remain a single mother). She was bashed for going to college on her VA benefits instead of finding a nice man. People within our family also weighed in she was causing a family scandal.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:28:04am

re: #349 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to the new reality. Everyone wants a piece of the streaming pie and shows keep bouncing around. You try to save money by ditching Cable and subscribing to Hulu, Netflix and Amazon Prime. But by the end of the year you’ll need to have Hulu, Netflix, Prime, HBO Max, Disney Plus, whatever NBC calls their new service, plus CBS All Access if you want to watch Star Trek episodes or other CBS exclusives.

And ultimately you’ll end up paying exactly the same amount you used to pay for Cable for all the different things you want to watch.

Some people have to learn that lesson the hard way.

The great consolidation will come pretty soon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:28:14am

re: #354 Ferdinand

If you like documentaries, Netflix just added a ton of good PBS stuff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:32:26am

re: #347 Hecuba’s daughter

Seems that this was confirmed by defense officials. Since their response was after Trump’s assertion, they might have lied for him. But who knows?

If it was confirmed by them, I wonder why it’s not on the official Department of Defense news site.

defense.gov

Nor the Marine Corps news site.

marines.mil

The military is sure being quiet about this if they did shoot down an Iranian drone.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:33:02am

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

So many conservatives rail against single-parent homes.

More than once during my life I’ve asked someone who interjected that “why do you hate war widows like my mother?”

After my father was killed, pressure was on from people in my village in Michigan for her to re-marry (it was scandalous for her to remain a single mother). She was bashed for going to college on her VA benefits instead of finding a nice man. People within our family also weighed in she was causing a family scandal.

I hear ya. Both my Mom and Dad had grandfathers who were single parents for a little while. Dad’s grandfather remained a widower for the rest of his life. Thankfully, Great Nana’s widowed aunt whose sons were all grown up helped raise my Nana and her sisters. Mom’s grandfather did remarry to my Great Grandmother but still he was raising four kids on a coal miner’s salary and time. There shouldn’t be any pressure to marry. I think it helps t o have two people but your mom shouldn’t have rushed into a potentially loveless marriage because of societal and family pressure. Social conservatives just cant wrap their heads around that there are different kinds of families. My one cousin and his husband are raising two girls. They just got back form Barcelona. I don’t know them well but the girls do well in school and my cousin is a successful guy. I’ve seen plenty of “traditional” family units have their problems.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:33:22am

re: #349 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to the new reality. Everyone wants a piece of the streaming pie and shows keep bouncing around. You try to save money by ditching Cable and subscribing to Hulu and Netflix. But by the end of the year you’ll need to have Hulu, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney Plus and whatever NBC calls their new service, plus CBS All Access if you want to Star Trek episodes or other CBS exclusives.

And ultimately you’ll end up paying exactly the same amount you used to pay for Cable for all the different things you want to watch.

I am still paying a fortune for Cable — and am unfond of the New World Order. I feel like Robin Williams in “Moscow on the Hudson” when he was confronted with the overwhelming number of choices for cereals in the supermarket.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:34:29am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

I am still paying a fortune for Cable — and am unfond of the New World Order. I feel like Robin Williams in “Moscow on the Hudson” when he was confronted with the overwhelming number of choices for cereals in the supermarket.

It was coffee

remember, in Soviet Russia, brand of coffee choose you

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:35:33am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

If you like documentaries, Netflix just added a ton of good PBS stuff.

The Prohibition one IMO was fascinating. Really liked Vietnam too. TBH I’m surprised Burns hasn’t touched on WWI yet directly because I find that an infinitely fascinating subject matter. I really enjoyed the Vietnam one since he considered all perspectives- former US military, war protesters, Vietnamese civilians north and south, former military north and south, NVA, etc. I really enjoyed watching it with my Dad who was coming of age in that era. My mom is a bit younger so Vietnam isn’t as ingrained in her mind like it is his since he had some friends that went.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:36:49am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

I am still paying a fortune for Cable — and am unfond of the New World Order. I feel like Robin Williams in “Moscow on the Hudson” when he was confronted with the overwhelming number of choices for cereals in the supermarket.

It’s really enjoyable if you can make the time. The funny thing though is I like the new set up but I like older shows. As I said, I’m the last person to be starting the Sopranos. I am doing it on Blu-Ray though and not streaming since it was a gift.

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BigPapa  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:36:52am

I had a client request we install DirecTV because the DirecTV NOW app on Apple TV is too confusing. I had to get them to realize that media distribution is changing and they need to use the DirecTV NOW app as their ‘satellite receiver’ and don’t install all the separate apps for each channel on their Apple TV.

They forgot and went off the reservation. They still need channel numbers and to be able to hit one button and see ‘TV’ playing and hit Channel Up and Down.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:37:26am

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course a drone is going to ignore “multiple calls to stand down”. They’re fucking drones. This whole story is bullshit. I bet there wasn’t a drone at all. Iran’s or otherwise.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:38:42am

re: #356 Belafon

Some people have to learn that lesson the hard way.

The great consolidation will come pretty soon.

re: #361 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was coffee

remember, in Soviet Russia, brand of coffee choose you

Ooops. I haven’t seen the film since its initial release.

We are heading toward chaos — until Disney or Bezos buys every outstanding media company in the world and, as Belafon said, the great consolidation comes to save us all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:39:21am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

THIS STUPID BINT (still smarter than Eric tho)

There are witnesses to her leading the chants.

Lara Trump has also been all over FOX News Channel to decry Democratic responses to that chanting (variation on “Democrats are the real racists”).

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jeffreyw  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:41:12am

re: #354 Ferdinand

Great thing about the various streaming subscriptions is that you can get them for a series you want to watch and then drop them. You aren’t locked into them for long fixed terms.
While we are mentioning worthwhile series I’d like to note that The Terror and Das Boot are both good. They are on Hulu with a subscription, available elsewhere for a fee per episode/series.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:42:38am

re: #368 jeffreyw

One of my friends does that. He’ll wait for a season to finish. Subscribe for a month, then binge watch the show and a few other things and cancel at the end of the month.

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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:43:17am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

It’s another attempt at Republican “humor” HAR HAR!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:44:27am

I guarantee you those “send her back” chants will return at the next rally.

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Mescalero09  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:45:47am
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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:47:21am

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Y+u2wTygr0n+LMUCADkh3sc+pDMr/wdre9BjoCAjGO35GZrHUtfR2wLcpHhnA5xO2HuoSCEQ3fKJHyXopBB7F1SaNpyKPaQBU+BKfxWX+DE=

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:47:51am

Friends in France e-mailed me about Dershowitz. They saw his underpants comments and everyone in the pub they were at couldn’t stop laughing at him making an ass of himself.

Henri asked me when Dersh will do a cover of “I Need A Freak”…

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LadyBehir  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:49:31am

Another advantage of ditching cable for the various subscriptions is that even if it does cost the same, you don’t get the eleventy religious channels nor the eleventy squared shopping channels.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:51:06am

re: #375 LadyBehir

Another advantage of ditching cable for the various subscriptions is that even if it does cost the same, you don’t get the eleventy religious channels nor the eleventy squared shopping channels.

And you don’t get Fox or OANN!

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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:53:52am

re: #173 Dread Pirate

That’s going to be entertaining. It better be at least as stupid as the first two or I’m going to be pissed.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:54:30am

re: #367 Anymouse 🌹

There are witnesses to her leading the chants.

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Lara Trump has also been all over FOX News Channel to decry Democratic responses to that chanting (variation on “Democrats are the real racists”).

The whole family are rotten people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:58:34am

re: #377 plansbandc

That’s going to be entertaining. It better be at least as stupid as the first two or I’m going to be pissed.

Agreed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:01:14am

I see Trump his kissing his own ass again this morning by tweeting he’s apparently at 50% approval with Rasmussen.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:01:38am

re: #324 Teddy’s Person

It’s unsettling to say the least.

Your post yesterday about Postcards to Voters got me motivated to finally sign-up. I’m going to send in my practice postcard this morning and, hopefully, will be writing and sending postcards soon.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:02:18am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

I see Trump his kissing his own ass again this morning by tweeting he’s apparently at 50% approval with Rasmussen.

Pathetic.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:05:41am

re: #327 Belafon

My wife showed me the Cats trailer, and while I can’t watch the video right now, I can imagine it:

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It’s creepy. It’s like a horror show of humancat chimera monsters.

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Broad With Sass  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:07:57am

re: #368 jeffreyw

Great thing about the various streaming subscriptions is that you can get them for a series you want to watch and then drop them. You aren’t locked into them for long fixed terms.
While we are mentioning worthwhile series I’d like to note that The Terror and Das Boot are both good. They are on Hulu with a subscription, available elsewhere for a fee per episode/series.

That’s how I watched Game of Thrones.
I waited until a few new episodes left, binged like crazy..watched the last episode live with the rest of the planet..for a grand total of 15.00

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:08:40am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

I see Trump his kissing his own ass again this morning by tweeting he’s apparently at 50% approval with Rasmussen.

And he’s even lying (by omission) about Rasmussen. That’s pathetic.

At the very top of their main page:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 36% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 42% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -6.

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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:08:44am

re: #232 A Mom Anon

Reality TV is a big part of the reason why our current “president” was elected.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:10:27am

re: #383 The Pie Overlord!

It’s creepy. It’s like a horror show of humancat chimera monsters.

Someone my wife saw said it looked scarrier than It.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:11:03am

re: #348 lawhawk

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So they want the policy discussion to be about whether to “send back” naturalized and native born Americans? Please continue.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:11:28am

One of the Apollo 11 related headlines floating around today:

MAN WHO GOT PUNCHED BY BUZZ ALDRIN STILL THINKS MOON LANDING WAS FAKE

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:15:28am

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the Apollo 11 related headlines floating around today:

MAN WHO GOT PUNCHED BY BUZZ ALDRIN STILL THINKS MOON LANDING WAS FAKE

Buzz in 1966:

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:15:30am

a little musing about “send them back”

texas:
- lots of latinos
- some recent immigrants - say last 10-20 years
- some migrants - ie moved from other states
- some legal, certainly some not
- others can trace their ancestry back a long way
(though just as with religion and sexual orientation, you can’t tell by looking who’s who)

- put aside the whole notion that we have the right to petition the government to redress grievances. we have a right to express our disapproval and protest.

- would trump hold a rally in texas and tell them if they dont like it to ‘go back’?
- would someone go up to a random texan and tell them to “go back where they came from”? (sure, yes i know people do)

why do i bring this up?
- it’s the line from above - “others can trace their ancestry back a long way”
- i left out the other part
- they were on that land when it was Mexico
- and when texas declared its independence
- and when texas became a state
- some of them have *always* been on that land

- long before trump and his clan/ancestors were even born, let alone came here to declare America theirs and in their image alone

where would they ‘go back’ to?
it’s idiotic
as idiotic as saying it to someone born in the bronx

this is all obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:34:57am

re: #234 marcusgorillius

I live in rural northwestern pa. In a county that is overwhelmingly white, and sometimes I feel like I’ m living in Alabama.
[snip]

Hey Neighbor. NW PA here too, Sharon PA is the largest “city” nearby (other than Youngstown OH across the border).

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:36:07am

re: #374 Joe Bacon 🌹

Friends in France e-mailed me about Dershowitz. They saw his underpants comments and everyone in the pub they were at couldn’t stop laughing at him making an ass of himself.

Henri asked me when Dersh will do a cover of “I Need A Freak”…

Captain Underpants!

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:37:04am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is closer to 50% strongly disapproving than 50% approval (which takes strong and leaners).

rasmussenreports.com

And it’s been this way since after his first month in office.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:38:12am

re: #392 Eventual Carrion

Hey Neighbor. NW PA here too, Sharon PA is the largest “city” nearby (other than Youngstown OH across the border).

Seems like there’s a handful of people here with ties to Western PA. I grew up in Punxsutawney.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:39:40am

re: #395 Teddy’s Person

Seems like there’s a handful of people here with ties to Western PA. I grew up in Punxsutawney.

Grew uo in all the wrong parts of Pittsburgh. Then HS in Herman, near Butler.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:40:16am

re: #258 Feline Fearless Leader

My current cats seem to pretty much ignore thunder and fireworks. They noticed and mildly reacted to some set off just outside the building a few weeks ago, but otherwise are pretty nonchalant about it. The two Siamese were much more jumpy and went and hid under the bed during fireworks or close thunderstorms.

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Our cat is deaf, fireworks don’t bother her at all. But she did discover firefly’s this summer, those just amaze her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:41:39am

If you’re tired of your cubicle or assembly line or other rat-race venue, here is your chance to escape to sunny California and do something to help America. Plenty of fresh air, lots of exercise, and good company.
Santa Barbara County Avocado Farmer Struggles to Find Workers Amid Immigration Crackdown

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:42:17am

Holy.. shitsnacks. This is just crazy.

I wont spoil it, but it points out how cons exploit loopholes in the system to profit.

And for a change, this isn’t about Trumpworld.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:46:16am

re: #395 Teddy’s Person

Seems like there’s a handful of people here with ties to Western PA. I grew up in Punxsutawney.

Grew up in Ambridge. Left for Los Angeles in 1982.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:46:23am

re: #392 Eventual Carrion

Hey Neighbor. NW PA here too, Sharon PA is the largest “city” nearby (other than Youngstown OH across the border).

Sharon? My Dad’s grandfather was from there too. Spent nearly his entire life in Pittsburgh tho.

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makeitstop  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:47:42am

re: #400 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grew up in Ambridge. Left for Los Angeles in 1982.

You Western PA guys…I’m a Bucks County kid, grew up just outside of Philly.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:54:35am

I wanted to bust what I think is a myth, the idea that people aren’t born hating, they have to learn it. A big component of hate is fear, and when it comes to people it’s the fear that they are going to do something to you. Now, what people might not be born with is straight up hate, but I can tell you having three children that some are born more fearful than others. And one of the ways to cope with the fear of others is to stay with people you know.

I’m not saying that these people haven’t learned to turn their fear into raging hatred, but a very common response to fear is to lash out. Other animals do it (there’s a reason if you leave a litter of cats, dogs, or gerbils to adopt, the ones left over are the fearful ones).

So, while I believe that most people are good, there are things inherent to people that we shouldn’t gloss over. They sometimes have to be taught to do the right thing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:54:52am

Logging out. I just got a call from someone here saying there’s a water main break at the end of my street. I have to go investigate.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:55:43am

While we’re talking about Catholics:

Catholics in Iowa went to church. Steve Bannon tracked their phones

(tl;dr—Phone companies sold geolocator histories to a RW Catholic GOTV effort, identifying frequent church visitors.)

thinkprogress.org

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:56:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:56:47am

re: #405 Decatur Deb

While we’re talking about Catholics:

Catholics in Iowa went to church. Steve Bannon tracked their phones

(tl;dr—Phone companies sold geolocator histories to a RW Catholic GOTV effort, identifying frequent church visitors.)

thinkprogress.org

Jesus that’s creepy shit.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:57:54am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 9:58:46am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Jesus that’s creepy shit.

Yeah Jesus is pissed they dropped his bff list.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:00:55am

re: #408 lawhawk

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I stand with Glorious Comrade Trump. This was more believable when it happened in the Soviet Union first.

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Ferdinand  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:01:55am

re: #387 Belafon

Someone my wife saw said it looked scarrier than It.

Heh. My wife and I watched the It trailer last night right after watching the Cats trailer, to change the mood - because we’re both big softies and got all choked up watching the Cats trailer. We thought it was beautiful and funny and heartfelt, certainly influenced in part by both of us having lovely childhood memories about the musical.
The It trailer looked great too. My wife thinks it should be called That. The hall of mirrors scene with McAvoy is terrifying. And it looks like Finn Wolfhard grows up and becomes Bill Hader, and still wears the same glasses. All of which is totally believable.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:04:56am

The GOP used it as a hostage tactic against Obama. Who the fuck is Trump kidding? I doubt Trump even knows what the debt ceiling is or why it’s in plan this soon?

It’s the Trump tax scam, that’s why. Trump’s giveaway to the 1% meant that revenues crashed because he gave a trillion dollar tax cut to those who didn’t need it. That meant that the debt this year broke $1 trillion for the first time during a period that isn’t a world war or recession. It’s because Trump broke the government.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:10:08am

Just sent in my practice postcard for approval, wishing I was more artistic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:10:42am

Unfortunately, refusing to raise the debt ceiling will fuck us all. The Democrats will have to vote to raise, even if they don’t t want to.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:10:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:11:23am

re: #415 lawhawk

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Damn good point.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:18:16am

re: #406 lawhawk

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s Revolutionary Guard releases video it claims proves U.S. warship didn’t destroy Iranian drone near Persian Gulf. .

from CNN this AM

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Thursday that the USS Boxer downed an Iranian drone that came within 1,000 yards of the Navy ship and ignored “multiple calls to stand down” — marking yet another escalation in the already tense situation playing out between Washington and Tehran.

Speaking at the White House, Trump said the drone was “threatening the safety of the ship and the ship’s crew” in the Strait of Hormuz and was “immediately destroyed.”
The drone was destroyed using electronic jamming, according to a US defense official.

raises some interesting questions
- they didnt ‘destroy’ it - if they did do this, what they did was jammed its comm and it crashed.
- i assume they dont mean the drone ignored multiple calls to stand down - they were talking to….somebody? somewhere?

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:19:17am

re: #408 lawhawk

Just like all of you, I stand with President @realdonaldtrump. When this President stands up for American jobs and American workers, I stand with President Trump. When this President stands up for faith and freedom and the American flag, I stand with President Trump!

hey mike,

is “US Congressperson” an American job and an American worker?

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:21:39am

re: #412 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

The GOP used it as a hostage tactic against Obama. Who the fuck is Trump kidding? I doubt Trump even knows what the debt ceiling is or why it’s in plan this soon?

It’s the Trump tax scam, that’s why. Trump’s giveaway to the 1% meant that revenues crashed because he gave a trillion dollar tax cut to those who didn’t need it. That meant that the debt this year broke $1 trillion for the first time during a period that isn’t a world war or recession. It’s because Trump broke the government.

i think you’re wrong about this

the tax plan was gonna increase revenues.
they said so
and it was in all the papers

// <————

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:22:40am

re: #413 Teddy’s Person

Just sent in my practice postcard for approval, wishing I was more artistic.

my guess is they will approve anything legible.
i had to print. my script is as bad as a doctor’s

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:22:53am

re: #418 DangerMan

hey mike,

is “US Congressperson” an American job and an American worker?

Only if they agree with him and Comrade Trump.//

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:23:25am

re: #406 lawhawk

Iran 2 - Donnie 0

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:25:09am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

Iran 2 - Donnie 0

how far we’ve come
rooting for iran

/ (1/2)

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:27:03am

re: #391 DangerMan

a little musing about “send them back”

texas:

why do i bring this up?
- it’s the line from above - “others can trace their ancestry back a long way”
- i left out the other part
- they were on that land when it was Mexico
- and when texas declared its independence
- and when texas became a state
- some of them have *always* been on that land

Eva Longoria’s family has been in San Antonio since before the Mayflower set sail (first immigrant ancestor was 1603. One of her ancestors got a 4000-acre land grant from the King of Spain in 1767 (before Mexico was its own country). When the Mexican-American war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848), the borders moved and the Longoria family went from living in Mexico to living in the independent country of Texas, then a few years later they were suddenly living in the United States, then the Confederate States, then the United States again, without moving an inch.

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:29:19am

re: #415 lawhawk

The greatest trick the racists ever pulled was convincing the world racists didn’t exist.

I disagree. The greatest trick they pulled off was convincing the world that the ones calling out their racism were the real racists.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:29:48am

re: #423 DangerMan

how far we’ve come
rooting for iran

/ (1/2)

I’ve always rooted for the Persian and Iranian people. I grew up with Persians in my neighbor and have had many Persian friends and colleagues over the years. Terrific people, fun loving, and hard working. And, not to generalize, but Persian women are absolutely stunning.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:30:43am

George Nader hit with sex trafficking charges.

Witness in Mueller probe hit with sex trafficking charges; he’s accused of having sex with a 14-year-old boy from Europe he allegedly flew to the U.S.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:31:25am

Hmmmm…….

that should be “off course” not “of course”. Little typo.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:32:10am

personally, i dont like the love it or leave it rhetoric at all (it is not what this nation is)
as it is being used, im good with this, cause it cuts both ways

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:32:53am

re: #423 DangerMan

how far we’ve come
rooting for iran

/ (1/2)

We’re rooting for the truth, especially when we have people who want to start a war, and are willing to lie to make it happen.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:33:14am

re: #424 sagehen

Eva Longoria’s family has been in San Antonio since before the Mayflower set sail (first immigrant ancestor was 1603. One of her ancestors got a 4000-acre land grant from the King of Spain in 1767 (before Mexico was its own country). When the Mexican-American war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848), the borders moved and the Longoria family went from living in Mexico to living in the independent country of Texas, then a few years later they were suddenly living in the United States, then the Confederate States, then the United States again, without moving an inch.

you got it in one

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:34:15am

re: #403 Belafon

I wanted to bust what I think is a myth, the idea that people aren’t born hating, they have to learn it. A big component of hate is fear, and when it comes to people it’s the fear that they are going to do something to you. Now, what people might not be born with is straight up hate, but I can tell you having three children that some are born more fearful than others. And one of the ways to cope with the fear of others is to stay with people you know.

I’m not saying that these people haven’t learned to turn their fear into raging hatred, but a very common response to fear is to lash out. Other animals do it (there’s a reason if you leave a litter of cats, dogs, or gerbils to adopt, the ones left over are the fearful ones).

“You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught” - SOUTH PACIFIC (1958)

So, while I believe that most people are good, there are things inherent to people that we shouldn’t gloss over. They sometimes have to be taught to do the right thing.

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:35:21am

re: #424 sagehen

Eva Longoria’s family has been in San Antonio since before the Mayflower set sail (first immigrant ancestor was 1603. One of her ancestors got a 4000-acre land grant from the King of Spain in 1767 (before Mexico was its own country). When the Mexican-American war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848), the borders moved and the Longoria family went from living in Mexico to living in the independent country of Texas, then a few years later they were suddenly living in the United States, then the Confederate States, then the United States again, without moving an inch.

To put it succinctly, for many families in the southwest, the border jumped them. And yet they’re the ones accused of being invaders and outsiders.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:37:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:37:15am

re: #429 DangerMan

personally, i dont like the love it or leave it rhetoric at all (it is not what this nation is)
as it is being used, im good with this, cause it cuts both ways

[Embedded content]

I like the snark on it. Because yeah they bitch about all those things and none of us think they should leave if they whine about it. But they seriously think critics of their leaders and ideology should leave if they don’t like policy.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:55:58am

re: #423 DangerMan

how far we’ve come
rooting for iran

/ (1/2)

Been rooting for them since I learned about 1953.


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