In Which Donald Trump Disavows His Disavowal of That Vile Racist Chant

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Yesterday Donald Trump tried to tell America he didn’t like it when the cult members at his hate rally in North Carolina chanted “SEND HER BACK” about Rep. Ilhan Omar.

A blatantly racist chant, not to belabor the point.

And of course, he lied about “not liking it,” and said he started talking very quickly to stop the chant. Which he didn’t. He stood there smirking and basked in it for more than 10 seconds. Everybody saw him do it, but he lied anyway.

Numerous media outlets reported this “disavowal,” without mentioning that he has repeatedly done this — he does or says something unbelievably disgusting, then issues a weak disavowal when he’s pressured into it, then a day or two later, takes back the disavowal and reiterates whatever horrible thing started it, even more vehemently.

And now, a day later, he’s doing it again.

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565 comments

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:41:13am

Trump Appears to Backtrack on Rally Disavowal: I’m Unhappy With People Calling Our Country ‘Garbage’

Of course, no one from ‘The Squad’, or any other Democrat, has called our country garbage. But, Donnie spends a lot of time denigrating the US:

“How stupid has our once respected country become!”
~ tRump

“Our country and our ‘leaders’ are getting dumber all the time.”
~ tRump

“Our country is looking very bad right now!”
~ tRump

“Did you ever think our country would become an economic basket case?”
~ tRump

“Have you ever seen our country look weaker or more pathetic…”
~ tRump

Feel free to add on other quotes of Donnie shitting on America…..

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Mike Lamb  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:42:38am

One of the underreported parts of his horrible rant was his statement to the effect of “They keep telling us how to run things”, with the obvious implication that this is improper. These are duly-elected members of the House. They very much get to a vote (and more) on how we run things. The clear subtext is that because they are women and/or a POC, their criticisms are invalid.

(And of course, they wouldn’t even have to be members of Congress. We have a representative democracy—everyone gets a say in how we run things).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:42:47am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump Appears to Backtrack on Rally Disavowal: I’m Unhappy With People Calling Our Country ‘Garbage’

Of course, no one from ‘The Squad’, or any other Democrat, has called our country garbage. But, Donnie spends a lot of time denigrating the US:

Feel free to add on other quotes of Donnie shitting on America…..

Holy shit, that is some fine projection. Nice views at the Trump Theater.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:43:15am

Gov. Inslee at Netroots Nation

We have suffered because we have a person in the White House who is very insecure, and he has decided to intentionally use the power of fear rather than the energy of hope.

I love this language, “energy of hope.” It’s invigorating reinforcing hope as an action rather than a feeling. I hope it catches on.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:44:25am

Of note: The Palm Beach Sheriffs Office is opening an internal affairs investigation in regards to the way the Epstein case was handled.

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:45:43am

Same thing he did for Charlottesville, where he made his ‘very fine people’ speech, walked it back to lightly condemn the rally, and then un-condemned it and doubled down on the ‘very fine people’ bullshit.

And even now we have chuds screaming how he did nothing but condemn the rally and therefore the real racists were the Antifa supersoldier monsters that clearly where blanketing the town.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:45:46am

re: #4 Teddy’s Person

Gov. Inslee at Netroots Nation

I love this language, “energy of hope.” It’s invigorating reinforcing hope as an action rather than a feeling. I hope it catches on.

I saw a suggestion for Omar, her next campaign slogan should be “Send Her Back to Congress!”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:45:47am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Of note: The Palm Beach Sheriffs Office is opening an internal affairs investigation in regards to the way the Epstein case was handled.

Jesus.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:46:41am

re: #7 Belafon

I saw a suggestion for Omar, her next campaign slogan should be “Send Her Back to Congress!”

That would be a great fuck you to Trump.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:48:20am
The real question is why so much of the media falls for the initial disavowal and reports it without context, every time.

Because they have the institutional memory of a gnat?

They’re too busy trying to scoop everyone else with Trump’s next racist crapulence that they ignore that it’s no different than any of the prior droppings (or that Trump had pushed similar (or same) racist crap before).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:48:42am

Got to see this.

One lie the Apollo denialists like to tell is that the time delay from here to the Moon would be several minutes long, making it impossible to carry on the real time conversations in the official record. I challenged one to look it up on this smart-phone. He did so, and flat out lied to me about the results. This is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. These clods have no idea how obvious this lie is, because they don’t know how widespread and well-attested things like knowledge of the distance to the Moon are. (The ancient Romans knew the distance to the Moon, having observed the Earth’s shadow during eclipses to determine the relative sizes of the two bodies, then applying Eratosthenes of Alexandria’s measurement of the Earth’s circumference.)

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:50:04am

re: #7 Belafon

I saw a suggestion for Omar, her next campaign slogan should be “Send Her Back to Congress!”

My feel good moment of the day yesterday was the video of her constituents welcoming her home.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:50:56am

re: #12 Teddy’s Person

My feel good moment of the day yesterday was the video of her constituents welcoming her home.

Yeah I was happy to see that.

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:51:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:52:54am

re: #14 Citizen K

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Even though most of the population is urban and urbanization increases constantly.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:54:48am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:56:05am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I’m afraid of something happening to her because of how He incites shit.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:56:21am

Does anyone know the name they gave to the dividing line between the green part of the US and the more arid part? It runs up from about the DFW area north, and has been moving east over the last 100 years IIRC.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:57:24am

Trump needs enemies. His Presidency is as if Richard Nixon did policy simply to spite the people on the infamous Enemies List.

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:58:51am

re: #18 Belafon

Does anyone know the name they gave to the dividing line between the green part of the US and the more arid part? It runs up from about the DFW area north, and has been moving east over the last 100 years IIRC.

Dust Bowl? Or something else?

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Mescalero09  Jul 19, 2019 • 10:59:11am

Hello all. Thanks for the kind thoughts. I just got reminded of this guy and this is one hell of an album. It’s worth a listen. He still talks to me.
Half past July and The Sun Has Landed.

Townes Van Zandt - Live At The Old Quarter, Hou, TX ‘73 (Full Album)

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:00:40am

There was never a question of if he’d go back on his “condemnation,” only one of when it would happen. I personally thought he’d hold out until the next rally, when the chant would begin and he’d feign being “powerless” to control the very mob he’d created. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that he didn’t it make it that long before his petulant nature compelled him to spite his own damned party.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:00:44am

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:00:50am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump Appears to Backtrack on Rally Disavowal: I’m Unhappy With People Calling Our Country ‘Garbage’

Of course, no one from ‘The Squad’, or any other Democrat, has called our country garbage. But, Donnie spends a lot of time denigrating the US:

Feel free to add on other quotes of Donnie shitting on America…..

Says the man who coined “shithole countries”

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Citizen K  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:01:50am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

No, he expects the courts he’s helped build in the last 2 1/2 years to give him exactly what he wants, and that hasn’t exactly been a bad bet for him.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:04:05am

re: #12 Teddy’s Person

My feel good moment of the day yesterday was the video of her constituents welcoming her home.

Mine was the dancing lamb

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:04:23am

re: #25 Citizen K

No, he expects the courts he’s helped build in the last 2 1/2 years to give him exactly what he wants, and that hasn’t exactly been a bad bet for him.

And even if the effort fails in the courts, he’s thrown another slab of red meat to his base. That’s all he’s doing now, serving them up a trainload of red meat because he’s betting on his base to be his key to victory.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:04:38am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

All those Russians are going to be pissed.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:05:57am

re: #21 Mescalero09

Hello all. Thanks for the kind thoughts. I just got reminded of this guy and this is one hell of an album. It’s worth a listen. He still talks to me.
Half past July and The Sun Has Landed.

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My Dad is a huge Townes fan. So I sort of grew up with his music as much as the Beatles. Have really begun to like his music a lot as I’ve grown older. That’s a great album right there. I enjoy the feel of it, how Townes is at a loud bar and mingling with the crowd makes the music feel more to me. I really like the little song about the fraternity experience he had. I never was in a frat but I had a roommate who was in one who also was the RA so he hosted frat people often and some of friends in College Dems were a member of one so I experienced a little of frat life secondhand.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:06:30am

re: #26 DangerMan

Mine was the dancing lamb

That was good too.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:07:33am
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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:07:55am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

It’ll be fought
As it must

And it’ll have as much effect as an EO saying “I am king”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:08:23am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

Yeah end a 121 year legal precedent that is why four of your kids are unquestionably US citizens and God only knows how many other Americans through the past 120+ years. It’s worked too. We see it time and again.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:08:52am

re: #31 lawhawk

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Wow had no idea about that.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:09:25am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Why would he want to end birthright citizenship?

Oh yeah, since most immigrants coming to the US aren’t white Europeans. That’s why.

The old racist bigotries are back in vogue, as are the racist and xenophobic slogans.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:10:16am

re: #35 lawhawk

Why would he want to end birthright citizenship?

Oh yeah, since most immigrants coming to the US aren’t white Europeans. That’s why.

The old racist bigotries are back in vogue, as are the racist and xenophobic slogans.

Yep. Exactly. It’s his way of beginning a racial apartheid state.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:10:54am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yeah end a 121 year legal precedent that is why four of your kids are unquestionably US citizens and God only knows how many other Americans through the past 120+ years. It’s worked too. We see it time and again.

Oh there will be an asterisk

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Ferdinand  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:11:30am

re: #18 Belafon

Does anyone know the name they gave to the dividing line between the green part of the US and the more arid part? It runs up from about the DFW area north, and has been moving east over the last 100 years IIRC.

The 100th Meridian.
blogs.ei.columbia.edu

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:11:37am

Gotta love an idiot in the White House who spends his days doing nothing but dragging the nation’s attention to his deplorable record on immigration, racial relations, human rights, trade policy, and foreign relations (to name a few)…yet constantly bitches that the media doesn’t do enough stories about how great “his” economy is doing.

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Ferdinand  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:12:42am

re: #38 Ferdinand

The 100th Meridian.
blogs.ei.columbia.edu

From the piece, published last year. I’ve always loved American geographical history stuff.

In 1878, American geologist and explorer John Wesley Powell drew an invisible line in the dirt—a long line. It was the 100th meridian west, the longitude he identified as the boundary between the humid eastern United States and the arid Western plains. Running south to north, the meridian cuts through eastern Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, and the Canadian province of Manitoba on its way to the pole.
Powell, best known for exploring the Grand Canyon and other Western places, was wary of settlement in that often harsh region, and tried convincing Congress to lay out water and land-management districts crossing state lines to deal with environmental constraints. Western politicians hated the idea, fearing it might limit development and their own power, and it never went anywhere. It was not the first time politicians would ignore the advice of scientists.
Now, 140 years later, in two just-published papers, scientists examine how the 100th meridian has played out in history, and what the future may hold. They confirm that the divide has turned out to be real, as reflected by population and agriculture on opposite sides. They say also that the line appears to be slowly moving eastward, due to climate change, and that it will probably continue shifting in coming decades, expanding the arid climate of the western plains into what we think of as the Midwest. The implications for farming and other pursuits could be huge.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:13:14am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Gotta love an idiot in the White House who spends his days doing nothing but dragging the nation’s attention to his deplorable record on immigration, racial relations, human rights, trade policy, and foreign relations (to name a few)…yet constantly bitches that the media doesn’t do enough stories about how great “his” economy is doing.

He really is one of the least intelligent people I’ve ever seen. He surrounds himself with people like that too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:14:07am

re: #2 Mike Lamb

One of the underreported parts of his horrible rant was his statement to the effect of “They keep telling us how to run things”, with the obvious implication that this is improper. These are duly-elected members of the House. They very much get to a vote (and more) on how we run things. The clear subtext is that because they are women and/or a POC, their criticisms are invalid.

(And of course, they wouldn’t even have to be members of Congress. We have a representative democracy—everyone gets a say in how we run things).

The nerve of these black women, telling white men how to run things! Trump was free with his advice when he was just a reality TV celebrity, but of course that was different because he’s equipped with a penis.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:15:27am

Sometimes you just need to laugh…

Just for Gun: Someone, Texas Ranger

rockislandauction.com
(really for auction, est price $600k!)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:16:35am

re: #42 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The nerve of these black women, telling white men how to run things! Trump was free with his advice when he was just a reality TV celebrity, but of course that was different because he’s equipped with a penis.

That’s exactly what I mean when I tell people that a black or woman Trump would get nowhere in politics and Trump owes his political status to the fact he’s a straight white male with the perception of money and thus influence. Basically that Trump is the living monument of straight rich white dude privilege.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:17:18am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yeah end a 121 year legal precedent that is why four of your kids are unquestionably US citizens and God only knows how many other Americans through the past 120+ years. It’s worked too. We see it time and again.

Yeah, I mean he does know that Barron is an anchor baby, right?

As are Ivanka, Donnie Jr. and Eric.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:19:54am

This needs to be the universal response when Trump pulls his I-didn’t-do-it schtick.

Media type person: Then why did Laura Trump say this in her warm up act? Run tape.

… Lara Trump did set up the chant in her address to the audience before the rally began, saying: “If you don’t love our country — the president said it.” The crowd responded in unison, screaming: “Leave! … Source: Newsweek

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:20:18am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

That interview was last Halloween. Trump has probably forgotten he ever said it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:22:35am

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I mean he does know that Barron is an anchor baby, right?

As are Ivanka, Donnie Jr. and Eric.

I doubt it. This issue really gets me on a personal level though. My grandparents’ older siblings were born before their parents naturalized. Most of the men fought in WWII and one who didn’t was deemed essential because of his steel mill job and had a family already. One of my aunts worked in NYC to help the war effort too. Trump hasn’t a clue what has made this country of immigrants great.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:22:37am

re: #12 Teddy’s Person

My feel good moment of the day yesterday was the video of her constituents welcoming her home.

And the orange shit-goblin claims it was staged:

Trump mocks ‘staged’ greeting for Ilhan Omar, accuses media of ‘sick partnership’ with squad

President Trump on Friday mocked what he described as a “staged” greeting for “Foul Mouthed” Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., in her home district — blasting the coverage and accusing the media of forging a “sick partnership” with the freshman congresswoman and her allies.

Trump started his tweetstorm by addressing the controversy surrounding the “send her back” chant started by supporters at a rally Wednesday night in North Carolina. He had distanced himself Thursday from the chant (which was directed at Omar) but on Friday accused the media of showing a double standard in coverage.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:23:48am

re: #49 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And the orange shit-goblin claims it was staged:

Trump mocks ‘staged’ greeting for Ilhan Omar, accuses media of ‘sick partnership’ with squad

He sounds cranky.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:23:59am

And. Here. We. Go.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards claim to have seized a British oil tanker, the Stena Impero, which suddenly veered off course and headed into Iranian waters.

The ship’s owners issued a statement saying it had been “approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the Strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters.”

“We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran,” the owners, Stena Bulk, and the ship’s managers, Northern Marine, said in the statement.

The UK ministry of defence said it was urgently looking into what had happened to the Stena Impero, a 30,000 tonne British-flagged ship, which was heading for Saudi Arabia when it abruptly left the international sea lanes through the strait of Hormuz and tracking data showed it heading north towards the Iranian island of Qeshm, where the Iran’s Revolutionary Guard has a substantial base.

theguardian.com

I posted briefly about this in the last thread - the ship was off course and headed towards Iranian waters.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:24:27am

According to the media, Obama’s presidency left racial relations in a worse position because he did things like call it “stupid” that a black college professor was arrested by a white cop over a misunderstanding or say that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon Martin.

But Trump calls Nazis “fine people” and declared that minority women who question his policies should “go back where they came from”…and the same media bends over backwards to not say “racist.”

Gee, I can’t imagine what the difference between the two situations is…///////

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:25:03am

re: #49 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And the orange shit-goblin claims it was staged:

Trump mocks ‘staged’ greeting for Ilhan Omar, accuses media of ‘sick partnership’ with squad

Motherf#cker!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:25:25am

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

Terrific. Donnie wants to create a society of non-citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:25:35am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

He sounds cranky.

because he never gets a welcome like that

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:27:05am

re: #49 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And the orange shit-goblin claims it was staged:

Trump mocks ‘staged’ greeting for Ilhan Omar, accuses media of ‘sick partnership’ with squad

I’ll never cease being fascinated by “strong” Republican men whining like little children even when the media tries its hand at being “neutral.”

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:28:10am

Lindsey was dropping some knowledge on CNN

I don’t remember John McCain having to go through this crap every day.

Not sure McCain is the right comparison, but perhaps he’d like to consult with some guy named Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:28:59am

re: #52 Targetpractice

According to the media, Obama’s presidency left racial relations in a worse position because he did things like call it “stupid” that a black college professor was arrested by a white cop over a misunderstanding or say that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon Martin.

But Trump calls Nazis “fine people” and declared that minority women who question his policies should “go back where they came from”…and the same media bends over backwards to not say “racist.”

Gee, I can’t imagine what the difference between the two situations is…///////

Obama reminded them that he was a black man and father. The media didn’t like hearing that. That made them uncomfortable.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:29:30am

re: #56 Targetpractice

I’ll never cease being fascinated by “strong” Republican men whining like little children even when the media tries its hand at being “neutral.”

When you’re swimming in privilege, neutrality is oppression.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:29:46am

re: #54 Dr. Matt

Terrific. Donnie wants to create a society of non-citizens.

I’d say it’s more like Miller wants that, namely he wants a situation like that which exists in Europe right now, where entire generations have been born into limbo as their parents await naturalization.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:30:35am

It’s inevitable the US is gonna get dragged into this. Especially with Il Douche at the helm - and Bolton egging him on.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:30:39am

re: #54 Dr. Matt

Terrific. Donnie wants to create a society of non-citizens.

Donnie wants a society of subjects.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:30:45am

re: #60 Targetpractice

I’d say it’s more like Miller wants that, namely he wants a situation like that which exists in Europe right now, where entire generations have been born into limbo as their parents await naturalization.

Yeah this has his stench all over it. They probably just dumbed it down for Donny.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:31:14am

Musical interlude in the Friday insanity….

Of Monsters and Men - Alligator (Lyric Video)

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:31:54am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

And. Here. We. Go.

theguardian.com

I posted briefly about this in the last thread - the ship was off course and headed towards Iranian waters.

Straight up plot from a Cold War novel.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:32:43am

re: #62 Teddy’s Person

Donnie wants a society of subjects.

I’m surprised he hasn’t given himself a military rank yet. I guess he prefers the more democratically farce “Your Favorite President” which I swear global dictators are jealous of him for coming up with it.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:32:56am

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That interview was last Halloween. Trump has probably forgotten he ever said it.

its in todays news as well
CNN

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:33:20am

re: #64 lawhawk

Musical interlude in the Friday insanity….

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Saw them live when they debuted. Really cool show.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:33:44am

re: #64 lawhawk

Musical interlude in the Friday insanity….

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Nice idea. Here’s my offering, because it had a great audience too… :D

Heart - Stairway to Heaven (Live at Kennedy Center Honors) [FULL VERSION]

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:34:06am

re: #65 Belafon

Straight up plot from a Cold War novel.

Yep, like something straight out of a Tom Clancy novel.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:34:36am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

It’s inevitable the US is gonna get dragged into this. Especially with Il Douche at the helm - and Bolton egging him on.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being our “Gulf of Tonkin” event, with the excuse for military action being “helping our ally.”

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:35:07am

re: #52 Targetpractice

According to the media, Obama’s presidency left racial relations in a worse position because he did things like call it “stupid” that a black college professor was arrested by a white cop over a misunderstanding or say that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon Martin.

But Trump calls Nazis “fine people” and declared that minority women who question his policies should “go back where they came from”…and the same media bends over backwards to not say “racist.”

Gee, I can’t imagine what the difference between the two situations is…///////

By Republican Standards, Almost Nothing Is Racist

But however damning one considers her [Omar’s] statements, it’s utterly illogical to claim that they constitute bigotry while Trump’s far more direct attack does not. Yet this is exactly what Trump and other prominent Republicans are doing.

When Democrats are accused of prejudice against Jews, Republicans can find it easy to discern ugly coded language. But when Trump and others in his party are accused of hostility to black people, Muslims, and Latinos, prominent conservatives set the standard for what constitutes bigotry so high that it’s almost impossible to meet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:35:26am

Isn’t it convenient that shit is going to hell in the Gulf just before Mueller is due to testify before the House?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:35:47am

re: #71 Targetpractice

I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being our “Gulf of Tonkin” event, with the excuse for military action being “helping our ally.”

Bolton - and Pompeo, too - want a war with Iran. Netanyahu’s itching for some military action.

This is the pretext they’ve been looking for……like you said, “helping our ally”.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:37:09am

Oops. Anyone got a couple of bucks I can borrow for another guitar?

Ltd. Ed. Lzzy Hale Explorer Outfit | Epiphone

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:39:04am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:39:40am

And oil prices are jumping - no surprise there.

cnbc.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:39:47am

re: #72 DangerMan

By Republican Standards, Almost Nothing Is Racist

The other thing is “Hey we freed the slaves and KKK was Democrats so we can’t be racist.” It’s blatantly patronizing as hell. I’ll give the RNC credit before 1964. They were on equal footing with the DNC. But nominating Goldwater and welcoming Thurmond- literally the only Presidential nominee from the Dixiecrats into their party was the beginning of an ugly descent.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:40:36am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Got to see this.

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One lie the Apollo denialists like to tell is that the time delay from here to the Moon would be several minutes long, making it impossible to carry on the real time conversations in the official record. I challenged one to look it up on this smart-phone. He did so, and flat out lied to me about the results. This is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. These clods have no idea how obvious this lie is, because they don’t know how widespread and well-attested things like knowledge of the distance to the Moon are. (The ancient Romans knew the distance to the Moon, having observed the Earth’s shadow during eclipses to determine the relative sizes of the two bodies, then applying Eratosthenes of Alexandria’s measurement of the Earth’s circumference.)

What, seriously? Jesus, how do they manage to get through a day without walking into traffic or shitting their pants randomly?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:41:20am

re: #69 William Lewis

Nice idea. Here’s my offering, because it had a great audience too… :D

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Video

Is that Sheldon on the Les Paul??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:41:47am
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:42:40am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Guy who’s shit with money is suddenly scared that the lenders could refuse to extend him another line of credit unless certain conditions are met.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:43:46am
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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:45:12am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rep. Cummings hasn’t had a fuck to give for a long time, and I love it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:46:54am
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:47:31am

GOP:

2011-2018: “If you don’t want the economy to crash and burn, you’ll agree to our terms!”

2019: “HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST USING THE ECONOMY AS LEVERAGE?!”

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:49:19am

re: #80 Dr. Matt

Is that Sheldon on the Les Paul??

Shane Fontayne is the gentleman on the Les Paul that night in 2012.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:49:28am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m so glad we have people like Cummings in Washington. I could feel the anger with him as a father, Congressman, citizen, & fellow human in his voice. There’s no excuse for this. None.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:51:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:51:32am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s almost comical in how ignorant he is but it’s dangerous too.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:52:48am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump Appears to Backtrack on Rally Disavowal: I’m Unhappy With People Calling Our Country ‘Garbage’

Of course, no one from ‘The Squad’, or any other Democrat, has called our country garbage. But, Donnie spends a lot of time denigrating the US:

Feel free to add on other quotes of Donnie shitting on America…..

Well he did say at one point that the Whitehouse was a dump too.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:53:09am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Feeling erinaceous? It means you’re like a hedgehog.dictionary.com

Spiny Norman?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:55:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:56:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:56:31am

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is so frightening.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2019 • 11:57:01am
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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:00:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:01:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:02:33pm

re: #97 lawhawk

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re: #97 lawhawk

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He’s never even heard of North Carolina. //

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:03:46pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

He’s never even heard of North Carolina. //

North Carolina? Just a cofeve state.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:04:46pm

re: #49 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And the orange shit-goblin claims it was staged:

Trump mocks ‘staged’ greeting for Ilhan Omar, accuses media of ‘sick partnership’ with squad

Of course it was staged; nobody claims it was spontaneous.

It was staged by her constituents, who wanted to make a big public show of support for their representative who’s being shit on by the *president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:04:47pm
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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:05:08pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spoke to a mom and her U.S. citizen daughter who is 13 years old.

They showed me her passport. She was born in NY.

this is fucked

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:05:41pm

re: #97 lawhawk

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The sad thing is that, now a days, it takes me a couple of beats to realize it’s satire. My first thought is always, what did the dolt do now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:05:49pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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When children have died in these camps and when children have been indefinitely separated from their parents for a crime if one has been violated at all is a misdemeanor. They should be regarded as Concentration Camps. Most of the camps and the Gulags especially weren’t designed as extermination camps but they didn’t have to in order be to be monstrous and criminal.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:08:33pm

re: #72 DangerMan

By Republican Standards, Almost Nothing Is Racist

But when Trump and others in his party are accused of hostility to black people, Muslims, and Latinos, prominent conservatives set the standard for what constitutes bigotry so high that it’s almost impossible to meet.

One would think a torch-lit parade of overtly white-supremacists, chanting anti-Jew slogans, would be enough to meet that bar.

Sadly, no.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:09:43pm

I’m sick of hearing from Trumps allies how we need to be grateful for him. It’s sick. You know how the historians say the Nazis mastered film as a propaganda tool. I’d say these guys are trying to do that with social media.

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VaughnIAM  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:10:21pm

re: #20 Citizen K

100th meridian: East-west divide between moist and arid parts of U.S.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:10:24pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So we can just go ahead and tick “American citizens” on the list of people crammed into these hellholes.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:10:47pm

re: #97 lawhawk

Trump Denies Being at North Carolina Rally

it’s satire
in the humor section

hard to tell these days isnt it?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:11:03pm

Something’s up.

This is a different vessel.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:11:59pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

When children have died in these camps and when children have been indefinitely separated from their parents for a crime if one has been violated at all is a misdemeanor. They should be regarded as Concentration Camps. Most of the camps and the Gulags especially weren’t designed as extermination camps but they didn’t have to in order be to be monstrous and criminal.

there’s a fundamental lack of understanding what ‘concentration’ means

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:12:21pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Something’s up.

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This is a different vessel.

Hopefully this isn’t “the foolishness in the Balkans” that Bismarck was worried about.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:13:16pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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For those keeping notes at home, Mike is one of those the media was crediting with having browbeaten Donny into “condemning” the chants.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:13:41pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Being called a racist is worse than being one.
Calling them concentrations camps is worse than them existing.

And let me know when Democrats make an intentional anti-semitic slur.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:14:04pm

re: #112 DangerMan

there’s a fundamental lack of understanding what ‘concentration’ means

People assume AOC was talking about the Holocaust but other countries including our own have had them before. I got someone who admitted that they weren’t sure on the comment AOC made to reconsider its legitimacy pointing out the realities of the camps.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:14:33pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Hopefully this isn’t “the foolishness in the Balkans” that Bismarck was worried about.

Yep.

One of the most famous and prescient quotes in modern European history.

“One day, the great European War will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans.”

-Otto von Bismarck, 1888

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:15:29pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

People assume AOC was talking about the Holocaust but other countries including our own have had them before. I got someone who admitted that they weren’t sure on the comment AOC made to reconsider its legitimacy pointing out the realities of the camps.

“We never had concentration camps! Internment camps and detention camps, but never concentration camps!”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:16:56pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

One of the most famous and prescient quotes in modern European history.

-Otto von Bismarck, 1888

I’m in a WWI reading buzz. Finished Guns of August. Now I’m on the Sleepwalkers. The sad reality is Franz Ferdinand like Kaiser Wilhelm’s Father was progressive minded for a continental European emperor/heir at that time. Sleepwalkers has a lot on the Serbian history which I had never heard before.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:18:47pm

Starting to see reports that the Iranians have now confirmed the seizure of the second vessel - known as the Mesdar.

The Mesdar is not British owned, but it is British operated, flagged in Liberia and owned by Sonatrach - an Algerian government-owned gas company.

For those keeping track of such things, Algeria is one of the few economic allies Iran actually has so seizing it, for whatever reason, could be a really serious blunder on the Iranians part

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:22:56pm

this guy…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:23:04pm

when the whore moos, the bombs will fall

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:23:42pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy…

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legend in his own mind

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:23:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:24:23pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:25:22pm

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

How are you so sure that SCOTUS wouldn’t overturn birthright citizenship? I’m not sure if anything given what they did to the Voting Rights Act and the Muslim ban.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:26:37pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy…

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Paranoia strikes deep…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:27:34pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has since reversed course and is now praising the chanters.

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danarchy  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:27:37pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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How is that cat not suffocating?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:28:49pm

And. Here. We. Go. (Part II):

Iran has also seized a second tanker, the Liberian-flagged MV Mesdar, according to a US official. Two more US officials tell CNN that, according to maritime intelligence reports, the indication is the Mesdar has been seized.

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps announced earlier that its navy has captured a British-flagged tanker ‘Stena Impero’ in the Strait of Hormuz.

The order of seizure of the two ships isn’t clear at this time.

edition.cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:29:02pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How are you so sure that SCOTUS wouldn’t overturn birthright citizenship? I’m not sure if anything given what they did to the Voting Rights Act and the Muslim ban.

I would think they would not. I’m not admirer of Roberts but I think that would be a bridge too far for him but I hate that we have to even consider this. This has literally been statutory law longer than any living American has been alive. It literally is why four of Trump’s children are natural born citizens and why his older siblings and father were. But Trump is so damn hateful. He doesn’t care that millions of Americans have benefited from this statutory law.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:30:04pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How are you so sure that SCOTUS wouldn’t overturn birthright citizenship? I’m not sure if anything given what they did to the Voting Rights Act and the Muslim ban.

I know this: anything that can be ordered with an EO can be overturned the same way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:31:54pm

re: #129 danarchy

How is that cat not suffocating?

cat magic

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:33:45pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How are you so sure that SCOTUS wouldn’t overturn birthright citizenship? I’m not sure if anything given what they did to the Voting Rights Act and the Muslim ban.

trumpykins can’t tell the difference btw what trump says he will do and what actually happens

as far as they are concerned, if trump says he’ll do it, it happened

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Ferdinand  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:34:30pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

And. Here. We. Go. (Part II):

edition.cnn.com

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Hard to imagine a scenario where Trump doesn’t get the war he’s desperate for in order to play the conqueror.

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danarchy  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:35:31pm

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

I know this: anything that can be ordered with an EO can be overturned the same way.

I used to think this too, but so far the courts have prevented Donnie from undoing DACA even though it was just an EO.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:37:11pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy…

I Am a presidential candidate with 1.2 mil followers. My crime is not filing tax returns - not a crime. The rest is propaganda by the U.S. government to silence me. My voice is the voice of dissent. If I am silenced, dissent itself will be next.

- yes, not everyone needs to file taxes
- most adults who earn money do
- there are legal and $ penalties for not filing taxes - depending on why

- so yes, while not filing taxes is illegal, it doesn’t necessarily subject you to criminal penalties.

BUT, and this is a big BUT:

- Tax evasion is a criminal offense that occurs when an individual fails to file taxes despite knowing that there is a requirement to file.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:37:18pm

“Top Gun 2” trailer has dropped:

Top Gun: Maverick | Official Trailer

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:37:46pm

re: #135 Ferdinand

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Hard to imagine a scenario where Trump doesn’t get the war he’s desperate for in order to play the conqueror.

He still has a lot of Executive Branch aces up his sleeve and war is his biggest.

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danarchy  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:38:27pm

re: #137 DangerMan

- yes, not everyone needs to file taxes
- most adults who earn money do
- there are legal and $ penalties for not filing taxes - depending on why

- so yes, while not filing taxes is illegal, it doesn’t necessarily subject you to criminal penalties.

BUT, and this is a big BUT:

- Tax evasion is a criminal offense that occurs when an individual fails to file taxes despite knowing that there is a requirement to file.

Just ask Al Capone

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:38:47pm

re: #135 Ferdinand

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Hard to imagine a scenario where Trump doesn’t get the war he’s desperate for in order to play the conqueror.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:40:29pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

I ate a bean last week. It didn’t make me a vegetarian.

reverse question:

if a vegetarian eats something made with beef stock and they don’t find out till after, do they have to start counting all over again?

if a person’s been a vegetarian for 10 years and has a burger, are they no longer a vegetarian?

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:40:39pm

re: #136 danarchy

I used to think this too, but so far the courts have prevented Donnie from undoing DACA even though it was just an EO.

And if they won’t throw kids out covered under DACA, they’re not going to overturn birthright citizenship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:40:48pm

such a moron

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:41:08pm

Y’all Lizards ain’t gonna fuckin believe this shit:

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mmmirele  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:41:09pm

re: #136 danarchy

I used to think this too, but so far the courts have prevented Donnie from undoing DACA even though it was just an EO.

There’s more backup for birthright citizenship than for DACA. US v Wong Kim Ark is the key case and the holding is based on the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:41:27pm

press continuing to not call out trump when he invents lies about AOC and The Squad for example that they called america or americans “garbage”

this is accepting the false premises

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:41:33pm

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

He has since reversed course and is now praising the chanters.

he didnt reverse course, he just made a public statement to appease some off-in-the-wings yelling

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:42:25pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

cat magic

i’m a realist:

cat physics

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:42:27pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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He’s an autocrat wannabe crybaby. Not when I’m president. Notice that line. He’s fine with trashing the country if other people are in power but don’t you dare “trash” it while he’s in charge. Fucking dictator wannabe.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:42:28pm

re: #135 Ferdinand

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Hard to imagine a scenario where Trump doesn’t get the war he’s desperate for in order to play the conqueror.

It’s that last part that’s the catch.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:42:34pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

When children have died in these camps and when children have been indefinitely separated from their parents for a crime if one has been violated at all is a misdemeanor. They should be regarded as Concentration Camps. Most of the camps and the Gulags especially weren’t designed as extermination camps but they didn’t have to in order be to be monstrous and criminal.

As I said the other day,
“Like Dachau, these camps aren’t designed to kill. That’s simply a happy side effect to the Republicans. If he’s re-elected, the real death camps will come.” They are already killing people. The only question is when it be comes intended rather rather than happy accident.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:42:36pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

What, seriously? Jesus, how do they manage to get through a day without walking into traffic or shitting their pants randomly?

My operating assumption is that only the stupidest deniers actually believe their claims. The others are also stupid, to be sure, but in a different way. They seriously over-estimate how clever and convincing their lies are, and how convincing their arguments are. To them, middle-school rhetorical fallacies like the strawman, the out of context quote, and the persistent repetition of a lie represent the very height of diabolically clever deception and manipulation, while loud invective represents power and social status. They consider this a good thing, since their underlying purpose is to fuck with the smart kids on a global scale.
It is essentially a criminal mentality, narcissistic dysfunction. I am not the only one who thinks so. My friend Carol, who is an expert on Human Resources management (literally wrote the book on it, as I am fond of saying) tells me that more and more HR evaluaters recognize an assertion of belief in bat guano conspira-lies as a serious sign of ethical and intellectual shortcomings and therefore of potential workplace toxicity. I expect this realization to spread to related fields like credit evaluation, college admissions, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:43:20pm

re: #142 DangerMan

reverse question:

if a vegetarian eats something made with beef stock and they don’t find out till after, do they have to start counting all over again?

if a person’s been a vegetarian for 10 years and has a burger, are they no longer a vegetarian?

vegetarianism is not like virginity or heroin addiction for chrissakes

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:43:27pm

re: #152 William Lewis

As I said the other day,
“Like Dachau, these camps aren’t designed to kill. That’s simply a happy side effect to the Republicans. If he’s re-elected, the real death camps will come.” They are already killing people. The only question is when it be comes intended rather rather than happy accident.

I don’t wanna know. I just know this isn’t the worst of this. The longer it drags on. The worst it gets.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:44:46pm

re: #140 danarchy

Just ask Al Capone

correct
- he never filed
- because he claimed he had no income

Ness et al proved he had income

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:45:47pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:45:57pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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I’d like just one reporter to bring up that the man’s entire 2016 campaign was predicated on the idea that America was falling apart and spent every waking moment not dedicated to stroking is own ego bashing the sitting president.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:47:00pm

re: #147 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

press continuing to not call out trump when he invents lies about AOC and The Squad for example that they called america or americans “garbage”

this is accepting the false premises

it’s their business model

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Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:47:54pm

What constitutes “hate speech” on Facebook.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:48:18pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

He’s an autocrat wannabe crybaby. Not when I’m president. Notice that line. He’s fine with trashing the country if other people are in power but don’t you dare “trash” it while he’s in charge. Fucking dictator wannabe.

woulda been a good followup question
so when obama was president, your comments about him and the country then….

he would have said “but i was right. that makes it ok”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:49:23pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

What constitutes “hate speech” on Facebook.

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I can only imagine that they have insinuated their people into platforms like that to make sure that such comments do not go unpunished.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:49:35pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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Good grief, he’ll now use the you’re-infringing-on-my-free-speech argument when he’s criticized after he explicitly initiates the chant at his next two minutes of hate rally. This is the kind of thing that gets planted in his brain (free speech - only two words to remember) and will be his go to response to criticism moving forward.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:50:35pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’d like just one reporter to bring up that the man’s entire 2016 campaign was predicated on the idea that America was falling apart and spent every waking moment not dedicated to stroking is own ego bashing the sitting president.

I really think his entire political career can be summed up this way. He was jealous that Obama a man who he didn’t like and didn’t think was worthy of the Presidency should be de-legitmized. It’s how he went from the obnoxious face of a stupid reality show to where we are now. When he started talking that way, that’s when people began to treat him as a legitimate political voice, he was always a joke before to most people but the second he started espousing the resentments that many Republican voters had at Obama, he became a political figure whose endorsement Romney bragged about having. The interesting thing to me is a lot of this was after Obama was elected not before. I don’t know if Obama talked much at all about Obama in 2008 before he got elected. He probably stupidly figured that Obama would lose so he didn’t join the Birther movement then.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:51:08pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:51:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:51:19pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

What constitutes “hate speech” on Facebook.

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It’s crazy man. I’ve reported a lot “worse” than that before. And these same clowns accuse us of being “triggered.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:52:39pm

re: #167 The Pie Overlord!

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Why do you torture us with these pictures?!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:53:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:53:36pm

re: #167 The Pie Overlord!

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One of my favorites. That and Lemon Meringue. Discovered recently that is my niece’s favorite so we bonded over that the night we had it.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:53:50pm

re: #152 William Lewis

As I said the other day,
“Like Dachau, these camps aren’t designed to kill. That’s simply a happy side effect to the Republicans. If he’s re-elected, the real death camps will come.” They are already killing people. The only question is when it be comes intended rather rather than happy accident.

there was a long time after WWII that concentration camp pretty much meant ‘place where people went and were killed’

you create a place to
- gather certain kinds of people together
- in numbers

- hold them against their will
- with guards
- treat them differently than your own family, ie as sub-human by denying them human, civil, and maybe constitutional rights

that’s a concentration camp

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:54:13pm

Buzz sure has gotten around, as one would expect from the acclaimed Coolest Guy in the World.

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:54:25pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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He’s projecting his own Antisemitism on to them. He’s caught in a lie so he’s doing the only thing he knows how to do which is lie some more.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:54:31pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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Gee, what are the odds that he heard that from either Lumpy, Tucker, or Laura?

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:54:32pm

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

vegetarianism is not like virginity or heroin addiction for chrissakes

i left off the slashes.
(i do it a lot)

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:55:38pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’d like just one reporter to bring up that the man’s entire 2016 campaign was predicated on the idea that America was falling apart and spent every waking moment not dedicated to stroking is own ego bashing the sitting president.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:55:39pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

He’s projecting his own Antisemitism on to them. He’s caught in a lie so he’s doing the only thing he knows how to do which is lie some more.

One of the common themes of habitual liars is they never admit they lied, they just double down by expanding on the initial lies.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:57:06pm

re: #164 Teddy’s Person

Good grief, he’ll now use the you’re-infringing-on-my-free-speech argument when he’s criticized after he explicitly initiates the chant at his next two minutes of hate rally. This is the kind of thing that gets planted in his brain (free speech - only two words to remember) and will be his go to response to criticism moving forward.

a president’s free speech rights have limitations

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:57:30pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:57:33pm
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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:57:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:59:02pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Buzz sure has gotten around, as one would expect from the acclaimed Coolest Guy in the World.

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When I went to grade school, SK, my grade school was named Armstrong. Neil as you know wasn’t much for publicity. And you know what, I get that completely, that’s how I would probably do if I had iconic fame like that since I am a shy person but there was a nearby school named Aldrin. Buzz visited his namesake when some of the people I went to Middle and High School with were there. I mean we did feel we had some bragging rights in her little rivalry since Neil was the first man on the moon but Buzz is the iconic one. He enjoys every bit of the fame that came to him that day nearly 50 years ago and he wants to share his ironic status with the world and I don’t blame him. Eventually we will have no one who was on the moon with us still and our memories of Buzz will help preserve the Apollo story for future generations. It really was even if it was a byproduct of the greater arms race between the US and the Soviets a great accomplishment for not only our country but humanity as a whole. Just to think that there were millions of people who saw the birth of flight and then saw Neil, Buzz, and the others on the moon. I don’t know if we’ll ever see something that dramatic again.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:59:13pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

Definition of sex… tug jobs not intercourse….

come on…. you know how this game is played.

That Dershowitz is even making these kinds of statements shows that he knows he’s going to get drawn into it in a real serious way.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 12:59:41pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The criminals are staying there.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:00:12pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

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is Dersh actually trying to use the (Bill) Clinton defense?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:00:23pm

re: #172 DangerMan

there was a long time after WWII that concentration camp pretty much meant ‘place where people went and were killed’

you create a place to
- gather certain kinds of people together
- in numbers

- hold them against their will
- with guards
- treat them differently than your own family, ie as sub-human by denying them human, civil, and maybe constitutional rights

that’s a concentration camp

The earliest such camps I’ve seen referred to as ‘concentration” were hellholes the British in South Africa created for Boer families in 1900. IIRC, the US used camps during our “pacification” of the Philippines at the same time, though I don’t remember a cite for the term.

en.wikipedia.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:00:30pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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basically everything he’s accused them of saying is entirely made up

i ventured into the breitbart comment section and challenged them to pony up even one of these supposed anti american or anti semitic remarks

they couldn’t do it

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:00:35pm

Plaque on the house in Rome where Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins was born on October 31, 1930. (His father, an Army Air Corps officer, was stationed at the US embassy there.)

Facebook Post

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:02:24pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

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There must be something rather devastating coming if Derpowitz is risking a slander lawsuit with stupid statements like this. Unless he really wants to be drug by his heels into court to prove such a sworn statement to be false.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:02:26pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

The earliest such camps I’ve seen referred to as ‘concentration” were hellholes the British in South Africa created for Boer families in 1900. IIRC, the US used camps during our “pacification” of the Philippines at the same time, though I don’t remember a cite for the term.

en.wikipedia.org

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Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:02:26pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:02:40pm
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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:03:05pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

The earliest such camps I’ve seen referred to as ‘concentration” were hellholes the British in South Africa created for Boer families in 1900. IIRC, the US used camps during our “pacification” of the Philippines at the same time, though I don’t remember a cite for the term.

en.wikipedia.org

This is really fucking important to remember. People give the British a pass on a lot of shit when they did really Nazi level evil in India and South Africa and elsewhere.

We can be better.

But only If we really want to live up to those who have pointed the way.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:03:26pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

The earliest such camps I’ve seen referred to as ‘concentration” were hellholes the British in South Africa created for Boer families in 1900. IIRC, the US used camps during our “pacification” of the Philippines at the same time, though I don’t remember a cite for the term.

en.wikipedia.org

and

Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps, also known as concentration camps. This involves internment generally, as distinct from the subset, extermination camps, popularly referred to as death camps.

it’s pretty clear what’s going on

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Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:04:03pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

That, of course, is the question.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:04:22pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Plaque on the house in Rome where Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins was born on October 31, 1930. (His father, an Army Air Corps officer, was stationed at the US embassy there.)

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Someone in one of the Irish genealogical groups I’m a Facebook group I’m a member of discovered that Collins’ grandfather was born in the same town in Cork as their ancestors. I myself have some distant ties to Cork possibly too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:04:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:04:58pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Plaque on the house in Rome where Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins was born on October 31, 1930. (His father, an Army Air Corps officer, was stationed at the US embassy there.)

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SPQR. So the Roman Empire is still growing. There is a similar plaque in
Venice where that great English sailor Zuan Chabotto was born.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:05:53pm

It really is something that you’re so afraid of being accused of infidelity that you’re saying aloud that you know as provable fact that your accuser’s lawyer is actually guilty of infidelity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:06:33pm

*blink*

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:07:22pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Guess the check cleared.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:07:56pm

re: #194 William Lewis

This is really fucking important to remember. People give the British a pass on a lot of shit when they did really Nazi level evil in India and South Africa and elsewhere.

We can be better.

But only If we really want to live up to those who have pointed the way.

That’s something that got pointed out when there was that whole controversy about the Churchill Bust. Most Americans image of Churchill is of the chain cigar master of the one liner but he was with the exception of his WWII leadership part of the worst excesses of British imperialism and racism. But yeah the Brits as a whole get a bit of a pass. It’s why while obviously I don’t hate the British people or want their government to fail, it is something I wish got more talked about so we can understand the role imperialism, colonialism, and nationalism had in impacting the catastrophic events in Europe that defined the last century there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:07:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:08:19pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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See,? Trump isn’t racist, he has black friends!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:08:56pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:09:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:09:12pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Most other people. Who is A$AP Rocky and we want him freed why? His entire government is Harding’s Ohio Gang on steroids.And at least Harding had the balls to condemn lynching and in the South no less.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:10:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:11:07pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The paper straw fad really drives some of these people nuts. It’s weird to me. I’ve had a paper straw a few times now since there was a Cava and Peets coffee nearby where I was working the past month. Doesn’t impact how I enjoy my beverage at all and it’s helping the environment? Win-win to me.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:11:25pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s the volume of straws, ya knobhead

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:12:34pm

Hidden for Trump rally imagery.

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Remember when conservatives thought liberals were dirty, uncouth, maggot-infested hippies? Ah, the good old days.
Seriously, though, what you are seeing is the death rattle of a failed culture. The only question is how many of the rest of us they will take with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:13:30pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m going to miss her when she leaves. Merkel has really been the leader of democratic countries everywhere since Trump got in and she was a great counterpart for Obama’s leadership too. Merkel is definitely more conservative than me but I really admire her commitment to democracy and human rights. She not Thatcher deserves props. Thatcher was another right wing enabler of the “right dictators.”

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:14:42pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

The paper straw fad really drives some of these people nuts. It’s weird to me. I’ve had a paper straw a few times now since there was a Cava and Peets coffee nearby where I was working the past month. Doesn’t impact how I enjoy my beverage at all and it’s helping the environment? Win-win to me.

some of us are old enough to remember when most straws were paper

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:15:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:15:31pm

re: #213 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hidden for Trump rally imagery.

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Remember when conservatives thought liberals were dirty, uncouth, maggot-infested hippies? Ah, the good old days.
Seriously, though, what you are seeing is the death rattle of a failed culture. The only question is how many of the rest of us they will take with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:16:17pm

re: #215 DangerMan

some of us are old enough to remember when most straws were paper

Yeah we just started going with plastic straws because it was slightly cheaper I guess. And people just assume “it’s always eben that way”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:16:52pm

re: #215 DangerMan

some of us are old enough to remember when most straws were paper

Yup. When I was growing up, the straws I came across were usually paper. The little stirrers in bar drinks were plastic, I think ( I was too young), but in school our straws were paper.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:16:52pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh man. I’ve been craving Italian food a lot lately since I finally have started binging the Sopranos.

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Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:16:56pm

Did I get this here?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:17:22pm

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:17:54pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

That’s something that got pointed out when there was that whole controversy about the Churchill Bust. Most Americans image of Churchill is of the chain cigar master of the one liner but he was with the exception of his WWII leadership part of the worst excesses of British imperialism and racism. But yeah the Brits as a whole get a bit of a pass. It’s why while obviously I don’t hate the British people or want their government to fail, it is something I wish got more talked about so we can understand the role imperialism, colonialism, and nationalism had in impacting the catastrophic events in Europe that defined the last century there.

Churchill’s legend is largely two things: His own PR BS and the national post-war British “need” to retain their position as a world power. Between the publishing of his autobiography which presented him as the man who stood up when all around him wanted to surrender and the public’s nostalgia over that image versus the post-war realities of rationing and colonial turmoil, it’s not really surprising that Britons still view his two periods as PM as the last “Golden Age” before the realities of a post-WWII world came crashing down on them.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:04pm

re: #18 Belafon

Does anyone know the name they gave to the dividing line between the green part of the US and the more arid part? It runs up from about the DFW area north, and has been moving east over the last 100 years IIRC.

The Dry Line?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:12pm

LOL

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

That looks so delicious!!! I love Italian food.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:31pm

re: #221 Skip Intro

Did I get this here?

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Poe’s Law.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:34pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

When I went to grade school, SK, my grade school was named Armstrong. Neil as you know wasn’t much for publicity. And you know what, I get that completely, that’s how I would probably do if I had iconic fame like that since I am a shy person but there was a nearby school named Aldrin. Buzz visited his namesake when some of the people I went to Middle and High School with were there. I mean we did feel we had some bragging rights in her little rivalry since Neil was the first man on the moon but Buzz is the iconic one. He enjoys every bit of the fame that came to him that day nearly 50 years ago and he wants to share his ironic status with the world and I don’t blame him. Eventually we will have no one who was on the moon with us still and our memories of Buzz will help preserve the Apollo story for future generations. It really was even if it was a byproduct of the greater arms race between the US and the Soviets a great accomplishment for not only our country but humanity as a whole. Just to think that there were millions of people who saw the birth of flight and then saw Neil, Buzz, and the others on the moon. I don’t know if we’ll ever see something that dramatic again.

If you watch First Man, you can see that dynamic play out when they were getting ready. I think they partially explain it in the movie (he had a lot of friends die, and a daughter die as well), but it’s just a difference in their personalities.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:18:39pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

SPQR. So the Roman Empire is still growing. There is a similar plaque in
Venice where that great English sailor Zuan Chabotto was born.

As I recall seeing in a MAD Magazine bit regarding the Roman Empire:

Rome! Rome! You’re just fine!
With that crazy SPQR Sign!
where orgies go on
from evening ‘till dawn
and each Christian is fed to a lion!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:20:08pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Who is that mewling twerp?

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:21:35pm

For all the guitarists on here…. and music lovers generally… this is for you.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:21:59pm

re: #229 Eric The Fruit Bat

As I recall seeing in a MAD Magazine bit regarding the Roman Empire:

Everything in Rome, including the modern manhole covers, is marked so.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:22:44pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

Harlan Z. Hill

@Harlan
At a Target store in Virginia where the nice young lady we asked for help didn’t speak English and they have tons of these Mexico soccer jerseys displayed for sale across the store.

i dont believe this part for a second

and bravo on the pasta

am allowed to say “bravo” or am i speaking a foreign language?

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:23:04pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:23:33pm

re: #228 Belafon

If you watch First Man, you can see that dynamic play out when they were getting ready. I think they partially explain it in the movie (he had a lot of friends die, and a daughter die as well), but it’s just a difference in their personalities.

Yeah by no means is that a knock on Neil’s personality. I only saw Neil Armstrong interviewed once and I’ve seen Buzz multiple times. Neil was definitely an introverted man and as you got had dealt with tragedy on a professional and personal level more than Buzz had. Buzz was just naturally more extroverted. Both of them and Collins too are American icons that I hope our descendants will talk about the same way we talk about the Wright Brothers and other people like that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:23:38pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

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Yeah he had sex with one woman

AND HOW MANY TEENAGE GIRLS???????????

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:25:17pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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further:

there’s a flag store in West Palm Beach florida

quelle surprise, they sell more than just the American flag

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:25:25pm

re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yeah he had sex with one woman

AND HOW MANY TEENAGE GIRLS???????????

Underage girls - that wouldn’t be sex. That’d be rape. Statutory rape, since those girls cannot give consent.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:26:42pm

re: #231 lawhawk

For all the guitarists on here…. and music lovers generally… this is for you.

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“How come my chords all sound the same?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:27:06pm

heat index hit 107F in TheBackwoods this afternoon.

Cooling down…is now 105.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:27:20pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

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As I’ve said, they claim to venerate capitalism and don’t understand when it works. People like winners. I have a Slovenian cousin who is a big FC-Bayern fan. And there are plenty of American soccer fans who like teams like Manchester United despite never having been there. It really is no different than the Yankees fans who aren’t originally from NYC. Besides the national teams aren’t part of the government anyhow.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:28:04pm

Secretly Recorded Phone Call Offers Window Into How Live Nation Helped Metallica and Other Artists Place Tickets Directly On Resale Market

In February 2017, days before Metallica announced its WorldWired North American stadium tour, Live Nation president of U.S. concerts Bob Roux spoke by phone with a little-known wealth adviser turned event promoter who had been tasked by an associate of the band to sell 88,000 tickets directly on resale sites like StubHub, without giving fans a chance to buy them through normal channels at face value.

“Ticketmaster will not do it,” Roux can be heard saying on the 11-minute call that Billboard reviewed in full, explaining that the plan to put the tickets on sites billed for resellers had to be concealed. He suggested that “either a Live Nation employee or a venue box office basically take these and sell them into a singular account,” the way tickets are typically allocated to fan clubs or sponsors. Once the tickets were placed there, they would be listed and sold on secondary-market sites.

Secret Phone Recording Of METALLICA Ticket Call Raises Controversy

This pisses me off.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:28:56pm

re: #237 DangerMan

further:

there’s a flag store in West Palm Beach florida

quelle surprise, they sell more than just the American flag

Why I’ve seen many a flag for sale and on vehicles , t-shirts, tattoos, etc for a “country” that lost to the military of the United States of America. But that’s not treasonous but having some pride in Mexico’s soccer success is the downfall of us all.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:29:11pm

re: #221 Skip Intro

Did I get this here?

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Paying $1.50 per straw to own the libs. Well played, idiots.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:29:18pm

I’m surprised Harlan didn’t say he was in Northern Virginia, so as to help perpetuate the stereotype that if you don’t hail from anywhere south of Richmond, you’re a godless hippie who hates America.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:30:07pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Underage girls - that wouldn’t be sex. That’d be rape. Statutory rape, since those girls cannot give consent.

What law is in effect aboard an aircraft in flight should a sex act take place - state or federal?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:30:34pm

That dude at the Target in Virginia would shit bricks if he ever visited San Antonio.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:30:43pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

Everything in Rome, including the modern manhole covers, is marked so.

The Rome municipality really emphasizes their connection with the ancient empire; and who could blame them?

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:30:55pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

As I’ve said, they claim to venerate capitalism and don’t understand when it works. People like winners. I have a Slovenian cousin who is a big FC-Bayern fan. And there are plenty of American soccer fans who like teams like Manchester United despite never having been there. It really is no different than the Yankees fans who aren’t originally from NYC. Besides the national teams aren’t part of the government anyhow.

My Trumper dad will spend an entire weekend watching teams from around the world play soccer, but hates that US Women’s Team didn’t bend a knee to Cheeto.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:31:03pm

re: #246 Eric The Fruit Bat

What law is in effect aboard an aircraft in flight should a sex act take place - state or federal?

Good question, I would think Federal.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:31:43pm

re: #246 Eric The Fruit Bat

What law is in effect aboard an aircraft in flight should a sex act take place - state or federal?

I think I read before that it’s covered by federal law.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:32:00pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

I’m surprised Harlan didn’t say he was in Northern Virginia, so as to help perpetuate the stereotype that if you don’t hail from anywhere south of Richmond, you’re a godless hippie who hates America.

I really had no idea about this tbh with you until I started posting on a forum in 2006-8 that had people of all political backgrounds. There was a poster there. He was from south of Richmond someway. He would call Obama boy. Repeatedly talk about how Lincoln was the real bad guy of the Civil War. That was my first exposure to overt Confederate fandom among mainstream conservatives. A friend growing up had one which I just dismissed as weird since his family was from SOUTH………Dakota originally.

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VaughnIAM  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:32:28pm

re: #136 danarchy

Getting rid of DACA wasn’t a EO by Trump.
AG Jeff Sessions announced it was going to be phased out and the administration got sued to stop them.
Sessions did say that Obama’s executive action needed to be rescinded but Trump never
did rescind it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:33:19pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

That dude at the Target in Virginia would shit bricks if he ever visited San Antonio.

He would if he were up here in NoVa. Lots of different languages here. I don’t mind it. I’ve talked about my grandparents before but all but one of them had a parent who didn’t speak English as their first language and they continued to speak it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:33:43pm

re: #172 DangerMan

there was a long time after WWII that concentration camp pretty much meant ‘place where people went and were killed’

The people behind it were aware of those distinctions, they are just trying to spin the discussion off and distract from what is actually taking place in those camps in our name.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:34:19pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I really had no idea about this tbh with you until I started posting on a forum in 2006-8 that had people of all political backgrounds. There was a poster there. He was from south of Richmond someway. He would call Obama boy. Repeatedly talk about how Lincoln was the real bad guy of the Civil War. That was my first exposure to overt Confederate fandom among mainstream conservatives. A friend growing up had one which I just dismissed as weird since his family was from SOUTH………Dakota originally.

Living in Hampton Roads, it’s never failed to amuse me over the years hearing people dependent upon federal dollars to keep the economy running bitching about “big government.” The only thing funnier was the serious suggestions back in the 00s that VA Beach could survive on tourist dollars if the Navy ended up closing NAS Oceana and moving the jets elsewhere.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:34:42pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

That dude at the Target in Virginia would shit bricks if he ever visited San Antonio.

like i said this morning re ‘texas’
and all the people whose ancestors have *always* lived there, just the borders moved
it’s been part of the US for less than 200 years
it was part of “mexico” forever before that

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:35:48pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

heat index hit 107F in TheBackwoods this afternoon.

Cooling down…is now 105.

Today Denver was hotter than Lower Alabama.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:37:07pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Today Denver was hotter than Lower Alabama.

kansas was hotter than south florida

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gocart mozart  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:37:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:37:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:38:39pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

Living in Hampton Roads, it’s never failed to amuse me over the years hearing people dependent upon federal dollars to keep the economy running bitching about “big government.” The only thing funnier was the serious suggestions back in the 00s that VA Beach could survive on tourist dollars if the Navy ended up closing NAS Oceana and moving the jets elsewhere.

Yeah no kidding. I think that’s part of why NoVa grew more liberal and less Republican. That shit just doesn’t fly here because many people work directly with the government here and know it is a net positive for the area economically. I always delight in their derision of NoVa because NoVa is so vital to the state’s economic success and their bright red areas don’t. It’s not that I’m happy that their economy is struggling more so that the part of the state they think is awful is what helps the state succeeds. The diversity up here really is a huge positive as is the government presence.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:39:15pm

re: #260 gocart mozart

While children are in cages and migrants are told to drink toilet water, Watson whines like a true snowflake about the diversity of emojis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:39:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:39:46pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No one believes anything you say Ivanka. Stop trying to act like you’re this caring person. You’re not. You are your father’s daughter in every way.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:40:01pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The next line being “And the president told her not to worry her little head about it.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:40:27pm

re: #263 Patricia Kayden

While children are in cages and migrants are told to drink toilet water, Watson whines like a true snowflake about the diversity of emojis.

Hits some people right in the emojins.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:40:54pm

re: #260 gocart mozart

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Triggered over wheelchair emojis. Him and Ben Shapiro should share a room so they can cry together about the injustices of wheelchair emojis, female 007s, and women’s soccer being more successful than men’s here.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:41:34pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That didn’t take long.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:42:00pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:43:31pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Yeah no kidding. I think that’s part of why NoVa grew more liberal and less Republican. That shit just doesn’t fly here because many people work directly with the government here and know it is a net positive for the area economically. I always delight in their derision of NoVa because NoVa is so vital to the state’s economic success and their bright red areas don’t. It’s not that I’m happy that their economy is struggling more so that the part of the state they think is awful is what helps the state succeeds. The diversity up here really is a huge positive as is the government presence.

You forget that most of these morons think that they can get by on “rugged individualism”…before they stand in line for their government check. Example: All the retired Navy and Marine officers who were on TV during the BRAC hearings, saying how they’d be fine with Oceana closing because it would mean getting rid of the jet noise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:43:52pm

in case anyone needs this (you know you do)…

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:44:24pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s never been a question of if one of these nutters would act upon Donny’s words, but rather when would one of these succeed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:44:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:45:24pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

You forget that most of these morons think that they can get by on “rugged individualism”…before they stand in line for their government check. Example: All the retired Navy and Marine officers who were on TV during the BRAC hearings, saying how they’d be fine with Oceana closing because it would mean getting rid of the jet noise.

Oh absolutely. They benefit from big government as much as anyone else yet they bitch about it. I wonder about some of these red areas that have National Parks that lost potential tourist money due to Trump’s little speech taking funding away from maintaining the National Parks that help keep many of these places relatively prosperous.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:45:34pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Story from April 5, 2019, for threats made in March. However, expect more such stories in coming months as Trump targets her in his Nuremberg rallies.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:45:40pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

Living in Hampton Roads, it’s never failed to amuse me over the years hearing people dependent upon federal dollars to keep the economy running bitching about “big government.” The only thing funnier was the serious suggestions back in the 00s that VA Beach could survive on tourist dollars if the Navy ended up closing NAS Oceana and moving the jets elsewhere.

(I did my Navy thing in that area)

I laugh at the conservatives here at my government contractor company saying the same thing.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:45:43pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No, because he knows who’s president of Israel…it’s the guy who’s got Jared by the balls.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:45:57pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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JFC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:47:10pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:47:51pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

That didn’t take long.

I knew it wouldn’t.

Fuck Trump and his asshole lemmings.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:48:08pm

Would it really surprise anybody if it turned out the Trump Org is currently trying to secure a loan from an Israeli bank?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:48:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:48:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:49:23pm

re: #277 Belafon

(I did my Navy thing in that area)

I laugh at the conservatives here at my government contractor company saying the same thing.

I remember my grandparents telling me about a couple that was friends with their neighbors or one of their friends. This family was staunchly conservative. Big government is bad blah blah. Anyhow they were all too happy to take advantage of the fact that the Federal Government helps people with mental disabilities. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of that but I get tired of hearing from conservatives and libertarians how awful the government is and then seeing them benefit from it when it’s something good for them or their families. Kind of like Rob Portman (which reminds me, I miss OA) suddenly embracing same sex marriage after his son came out and you know what, that is better then the Alan Keyes alternative I concede but don’t insult us and act like you had an epiphany, you realized that the government would be denying civil rights to someone you love and care about if oyu kept opposing SSM. That’s all. It wasn’t some heartfelt change.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:50:49pm

I highly recommend Winston Churchill’s second book, The River War. This was written in 1898, when he was 23 years old, and provides some insight into his values and attitudes. It also establishes some patterns that remained in evidence for the rest of his life.

He is forthright about describing British failures and misconduct, but is careful to attribute these to the failure of individuals to live up to British principles, rather than as consequences of imperialism itself. This was especially so when it came to management of the natives. For example, the book created a scandal by accusing General Kitchener of “permitting” his Egyptian and Sudanese troops to slaughter the Mahdist wounded after the Battle of Omdurman. It was just not the British thing to do.
Twenty years later, he condemned Colonel Dyer as a “terrorist” after the Amritsar Massacre but did not in any way see the episode as a consequence of colonial dominance.
This pattern repeats itself throughout his career, in Ireland, Kenya, Palestine, the bombing of Dresden, many more times in India and so on.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:51:39pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I remember an anecdote from a Tea Party rally a few years back where a guy spent several minutes ranting on about “Corruption” and “Big Government”, then said he’d be furious if Obama did anything to mess with his SSI benefits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:51:45pm

the horror…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:52:17pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two things- one you can see in the film and one that I know as a baseball fan. The kid the camera focuses on follows the whims of the adults around him. Damn if that doesn’t show how racism is passed down to the younger generations. Secondly even though Jackie Robinson would ahve turned 100 this January and he died 47 years ago, his widow Rachel is still with us. In fact, today is her 97th birthday.

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steve_davis  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:52:27pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

According to the media, Obama’s presidency left racial relations in a worse position because he did things like call it “stupid” that a black college professor was arrested by a white cop over a misunderstanding or say that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon Martin.

But Trump calls Nazis “fine people” and declared that minority women who question his policies should “go back where they came from”…and the same media bends over backwards to not say “racist.”

Gee, I can’t imagine what the difference between the two situations is…///////

I’m not sure where people are getting this, honestly. I listen to both CNN and MSNBC pretty much non-stop when driving around in the car, and both commentators and news flacks routinely call Trump’s language racist. They really do use that word. And there has been plenty of discussion on both networks about Trump himself actually being a racist, with plenty of people saying yes, indeed, he is.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:52:52pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chocolate is serious business.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:52:53pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

the horror…

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Honestly, given the shitshow that Brexit has turned into, it would not surprise me if Boris started a war with Iran just to have something new to hate him for.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:54:31pm

re: #291 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Chocolate is serious business.

The Land of Chocolate - Simpsons Clip

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:55:09pm

re: #286 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I highly recommend Winston Churchill’s second book, The River War. This was written in 1898, when he was 23 years old, and provides some insight into his values and attitudes. It also establishes some patterns that remained in evidence for the rest of his life.

He is forthright about describing British failures and misconduct, but is careful to attribute these to the failure of individuals to live up to British principles, rather than as consequences of imperialism itself. This was especially so when it came to management of the natives. For example, the book created a scandal for accusing General Kitchener of “permitting” his Egyptian and Sudanese troops to slaughter the Mahdist wounded after the Battle of Omdurman. It was just not the British thing to do.
Twenty years later, he condemned Colonel Dyer as a “terrorist” after the Amritsar Massacre but did not in any way see the episode as a consequence of colonial dominance.
This pattern repeats itself throughout his career, in Ireland, Kenya, Palestine, the bombing of Dresden, many more times in India and so on.

I blame him for the Troubles that happened in Ireland. He gave Michael Collins an impossible deal that Churchill had to known would start Civil War. It also as Collins famously said was writing his own death warrant. One can appreciate that Churchill did show leadership during the Second World War but like FDR and his interment of the Japanese Americans during the war, failure to criminalize lynching, and turning away fleeing German refugees from our ports is a dark stain on his legacy.. Churchill’s life as a servant of British colonialism and imperialism can’t be ignored either in how it hurt countries.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:56:09pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

The next Labour candidate for PM should run on the slogan:

“a Mars bar in every pantry “

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:56:59pm

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

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Video

Classic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 1:58:17pm

Let’s see. Stupid nationalism hurts beer. It hurts chocolate. Who does it help? Oh a bunch of deluded fucks who don’t see how global economies are interconnected.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:00:15pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Let’s see. Stupid nationalism hurts beer. It hurts chocolate. Who does it help? Oh a bunch of deluded fucks who don’t see how global economies are interconnected.

Who likely are either sitting on a lot of valuable resources or connected to those who are, resources that will massively increase in value the moment that their EU competitors become cripplingly expensive to import.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:00:21pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

The earliest such camps I’ve seen referred to as ‘concentration” were hellholes the British in South Africa created for Boer families in 1900. IIRC, the US used camps during our “pacification” of the Philippines at the same time, though I don’t remember a cite for the term.

en.wikipedia.org

I’ve seen it used for earlier events; some of the places we sent the Cherokee, the Sioux, and others who were eventually relocated. And the Civil War POW camps like Andersonville…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:00:38pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Let’s see. Stupid nationalism hurts beer. It hurts chocolate. Who does it help? Oh a bunch of deluded fucks who don’t see how global economies are interconnected.

they are able to profit from it nonetheless and have adequate supplies of Mars Bars already stashed away

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Dom  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:00:43pm

He is using Jews and antisemitism as his excuse, teaching racists to shout antisemite.

Facebook Post

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:04:39pm

I’m back, decompressing after having to use a pickaxe to dig four holes in the city’s streets to get to the cross-connect cutoff valves on a street (which turned out to be unnecessary).

It’s 107°F outside right now. I still have no air conditioning in my home. I will be taking a cool bath in a moment after I decompress.

[rant]
Don’t do some job in your yard and start the process with “I know a guy in the county government who will come by my house and do it for free with county equipment.” Also, don’t take municipal records and tools home with you.

The person across the street from me told me there was a giant flood at the end of the block, possibly a water main break.

I go down to inspect (that was where I said several hours ago I had to go).

I met the village maintenance mechanic and the gun shop owner (he has a metal detector which is very sensitive), to look for the cutoff valves.

If any of the steps in this process had been followed correctly, I wouldn’t be dying of heat prostration right now, and others wouldn’t be out a whole bunch of money. Had this been worse and I was still on the village board, I would have been demanding the village attorney to press criminal charges over this.

1) The person who was at the house said that his wife had called a couple days ago to a guy she knew on the county road commission who would come and remove a large boulder from her yard with a county front-end loader. He’d just drop by some time with it. He did this morning.

[correct procedure to get the county to do something on private property: Call the county road commission and request the proper form to use county equipment and employees for a private job, and pay the fee.]

2) Guy with the front end loader shows up, doesn’t tell the homeowner he’s here. He just drove in to lift the boulder, shoved the boulder over the curb stop for the water meter pit, sheared it off underground, went after the boulder again, and left without telling anyone he damaged the water works. The curb stop was completely ripped out of the ground.

[correct procedures: Call before you dig to mark things like the damn water system. Even if it’s just to remove a boulder. If you are working on someone’s property, let them know you’re there. The curb stop was above ground and could have been avoided simply by going at a different angle. The homeowner could have been outside to show the driver.]

3) My neighbour calls me when she sees the flood coming down the street. (The only correct thing done in all of this, but not by any of the people involved. She could have also called someone on the village board, or the village clerk. I am the easiest person to get hold of, so I got the call, plus “water works.”)

4) The village clerk arrives after I call her, and she calls the chairwoman of the village board at work. She authorises spending money (normally a village board vote is required, but any board member can spend village money in an emergency). At this point there is a four-foot wide hole in the resident’s yard with water coming out, but not under particular pressure. With that, a plumber authorised to work on public water systems is called in from the county seat, which took half an hour.

5) Plumber arrives, but can’t find the break in the water line. He calls for additional help from a plumber in the county east of us. Bill just went up. Second plumber’s dewatering pump won’t remove water fast enough. They do find the break by prodding around with a shovel (it sinks into the hole all the way to the top of the handle, and you can hear water making it sing from ten yards away).

6) County road commissioner arrives to begin an investigation (taking information), since country road equipment and a driver were used. He goes back to the county seat.

7) I can’t find the equipment needed to cut out that street’s water. The cutoff valve wrench turned out to be in someone’s truck who was at work, the water system map book was in a trustee’s home, the meter cutoff wrench had been loaned to another homeowner so they could do a home project and not returned. I track down all these people and get them to give me that crap.

[correct procedures: Unauthorised persons should not have access to municipal property, in particular the water system, which is regulated by the EPA and state. Tools should not be taken home or loaned out; to cut off the water at your meter you should call the water operator and have her or him do that; when your job is done, call again to turn it on. Do not take government records home without signing them out.]

Because the plumbers cannot get the hole dewatered with the pump, our village maintenance mechanic goes to get our submersible marine water pump. It is not in the shop, but at least the person who took it left a note.

[correct procedure: rent your own damn pump or pay the village to do your dewatering job]

The hole is dewatered with our pump. By this time I’d already dug up the cutoff valves to shut the block off. The plumbers discover there is a second shutoff valve in-line with the sheared-off curb stop with which they can cut off that house. They cut the water off. They are now repairing the water line. Now the homeowner has a hole ten feet wide and six feet deep in their yard, all caused by flooding sand out of the area around the pipes and meter.

Epilogue: The county road commissioner came back, and said he’d come to an understanding with the driver, who will be reprimanded. He and the homeowner will split 50-50 the final bill from the plumbers.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:04:46pm

I don’t think anybody will be really surprised when things like boxes of Mars bars will suddenly sell for huge premiums within days if not weeks of a no-deal Brexit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:06:22pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

I don’t think anybody will be really surprised when things like boxes of Mars bars will suddenly sell for huge premiums within days if not weeks of a no-deal Brexit.

I’m trying to remember the specifics but I remember there was a Brexiter I think in the south of England that wanted to know if the UK could still benefit from something that was part of the EU membership that benefited his community after Brexit. It was just so telling about how stupid the whole Brexit scam really is.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:07:00pm

Our right wingers resent Hispanics. Theirs seem to resent Eastern European immigrants.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:08:06pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Our right wingers resent Hispanics. Theirs seem to resent Eastern European immigrants.

They resent nonwhites, too. So, there’s that.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

I don’t think anybody will be really surprised when things like boxes of Mars bars will suddenly sell for huge premiums within days if not weeks of a no-deal Brexit.

Hmmm….maybe I should stock up here and I could sell them online.

Maybe £8 or £9 each? For that, I’ll generously include shipping.

It’s late here - have fun Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:08:51pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

They resent nonwhites, too. So, there’s that.

Oh absolutely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:09:16pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

I don’t think anybody will be really surprised when things like boxes of Mars bars will suddenly sell for huge premiums within days if not weeks of a no-deal Brexit.

the prices will be out of this world.

I’ll be sitting quietly over in the corner, now…

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:09:34pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

No one believes anything you say Ivanka. Stop trying to act like you’re this caring person. You’re not. You are your father’s daughter in every way.

i dont believe this even happened

who was privy to such a meeting and would leak this?

(i cant read the article)

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:10:59pm

re: #276 A Three Hour Tour

Story from April 5, 2019, for threats made in March. However, expect more such stories in coming months as Trump targets her in his Nuremberg rallies.

didnt take long to find a substitute for H. Clinton

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:11:34pm

The Brit nationalists ike ours have delusoins about the past. The British Empire that was part of the alliances that won WWII was a diverse fighting force. These Nationalists like ours want all the power of an empire and being a global power but they don’t want anyone who doesn’t look like them in their country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:11:44pm

re: #310 DangerMan

i dont believe this even happened

who was privy to such a meeting and would leak this?

(i cant read the article)

Almost certainly Ivanka leaked it, directly or indirectly. Almost certainly bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:11:54pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:12:20pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to remember the specifics but I remember there was a Brexiter I think in the south of England that wanted to know if the UK could still benefit from something that was part of the EU membership that benefited his community after Brexit. It was just so telling about how stupid the whole Brexit scam really is.

The political backlash when no-deal Brexit happens and the store shelves are suddenly empty is gonna be something to behold. Or when vital supplies are held up by the long list of inspections and waiting times that previously were waived as part of EU membership. Or when Britons find they can’t even escape the hellhole they’ve created with their nationalistic horseshit because EU countries won’t issue them visas for something as simple as crossing the Channel.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:12:28pm

re: #311 DangerMan

didnt take long to find a substitute for H. Clinton

It’s always a woman. For a while it was Elizabeht Warren. if Harris continues to rise in the polls, it won’t shock me if he starts going after her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:13:02pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

re: #237 DangerMan

further:

there’s a flag store in West Palm Beach florida

quelle surprise, they sell more than just the American flag

We have a flag store in Sidney. They sell horrible flags like the Colorado state flag and quelle horror University of Michigan flags.

You can buy or order a flag from any country in the world. The only one you can’t get there is a Gold Star flag (those have to be ordered from special approved DOD sellers or given by the government).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:13:16pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She ain’t wrong. The whole “Your Favorite President” Twitter bullshit more or less confirms it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:13:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:14:07pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

It’s always a woman. For a while it was Elizabeht Warren. if Harris continues to rise in the polls, it won’t shock me if he starts going after her.

Plus she’s black. That’s like shooting the hard stuff right into a conservative’s veins. Trifecta: California liberal, black, woman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:14:31pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:14:52pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which means we can expect a Cat 5 shitstorm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:15:16pm

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

Plus she’s black. That’s like shooting the hard stuff right into a conservative’s veins. Trifecta: California liberal, black, woman.

Bonus: she has Obama cooties

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:15:46pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

It’s always a woman. For a while it was Elizabeht Warren. if Harris continues to rise in the polls, it won’t shock me if he starts going after her.

He hasn’t figured out how, yet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:16:22pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bonus: she has Obama cooties

If she was a Lesbian we’d have the Holy Grail.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:17:11pm

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

Plus she’s black. That’s like shooting the hard stuff right into a conservative’s veins. Trifecta: California liberal, black, woman.

It’s even worse AM. She’s a black woman who is also a lawyer and whose parents are from “shitholes.” Her father was an economics professor and her mother a cancer researcher. Both talented in their field so the right will also insist as they already have due to her Jamaican father and Indian mother insist “she’s not really black” just like they did to Obama. And they’ll find the rare idiotic African American ike Dumbass and Silk to spout out to give it “legitimacy” because “hey a black person agrees with us”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:17:17pm

re: #324 Blind Frog Belly White

He hasn’t figured out how, yet.

When he does it will probably relate to her alleged temper. “Angry Kamala Harris” or something like that. He is not, after all, very creative.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:18:58pm

re: #324 Blind Frog Belly White

He hasn’t figured out how, yet.

I am glad because of the candidates right now, I probably like her the most. She’s a good combination of someone who is sufficiently progressive for me but also has pragmatic smarts. And I think she would be a tough opponent for him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:19:40pm

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

When he does it will probably relate to her alleged temper. “Angry Kamala Harris” or something like that. He is not, after all, very creative.

She’s definitely ready for it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:20:07pm

re: #299 sagehen

I’ve seen it used for earlier events; some of the places we sent the Cherokee, the Sioux, and others who were eventually relocated. And the Civil War POW camps like Andersonville…

It certainly fits any holding camps where dislocated tribes were kept around the fort until removal to a reservation. Doubt the use of the term, however. POW camps should be seen as a different beast—you do something to get into a POW camp. You are someone to get into a concentration camp.

I’d want to look at the “strategic hamlet” strategy employed for a long while in Viet Nam, as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:20:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:20:34pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll watch or he’ll get his talking points from Lumpy and Tucker and Ingraham and Pirro.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:20:35pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You gotta love how the Congressional Wingnuts keep telegraphing just how they’re gonna turn this testimony into a total shitshow, in this case making it clear they intend to question him about Fusion GPS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:21:03pm

sending a stinkeye to Kanye and Kim

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:22:24pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:23:11pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

I’m back, decompressing after having to use a pickaxe to dig four holes in the city’s streets to get to the cross-connect cutoff valves on a street (which turned out to be unnecessary).

It’s 107°F outside right now. I still have no air conditioning in my home. I will be taking a cool bath in a moment after I decompress.

[rant]
Don’t do some job in your yard and start the process with “I know a guy in the county government who will come by my house and do it for free with county equipment. Also, don’t take municipal records and tools home with you.

The person across the street from me told me there was a giant flood at the end of the block, possibly a water main break.

I go down to inspect (that was where I said several hours ago I had to go).

I met the village maintenance mechanic and the gun shop owner (he has a metal detector which is very sensitive), to look for the cutoff valves.

If any of the steps in this process had been followed correctly, I wouldn’t be dying of heat prostration right now, and others wouldn’t be out a whole bunch of money. Had this been worse and I was still on the village board, I would have been demanding the village attorney to press criminal charges over this.

1) The person who was at the house said that his wife had called a couple days ago to a guy she knew on the county road commission who would come and remove a large boulder from her yard with a county front-end loader. He’d just drop by some time with it. He did this morning.

[correct procedure to get the county to do something on private property: Call the county road commission and request the proper form to use county equipment and employees for a private job, and pay the fee.]

2) Guy with the front end loader shows up, doesn’t tell the homeowner he’s here. He just drove in to lift the boulder, shoved the boulder over the curb stop for the water meter pit, sheared it off underground, went after the boulder again, and left without telling anyone he damaged the water works. The curb stop was completely ripped out of the ground.

[correct procedures: Call before you dig to mark things like the damn water system. Even if it’s just to remove a boulder. If you are working on someone’s property, let them know you’re there. The curb stop was above ground and could have been avoided simply by going at a different angle. The homeowner could have been outside to show the driver.]

3) My neighbour calls me when she sees the flood coming down the street. (The only correct thing done in all of this, but not by any of the people involved. She could have also called someone on the village board, or the village clerk. I am the easiest person to get hold of, so I got the call, plus “water works.”)

4) The village clerk arrives after I call her, and she calls the chairwoman of the village board at work. She authorises spending money (normally a village board vote is required, but any board member can spend village money in an emergency). At this point there is a four-foot wide hole in the resident’s yard with water coming out, but not under particular pressure. With that, a plumber authorised to work on public water systems is called in from the county seat, which took half an hour.

5) Plumber arrives, but can’t find the break in the water line. He calls for additional help from a plumber in the county east of us. Bill just went up. Second plumber’s dewatering pump won’t remove water fast enough. They do find the break by prodding around with a shovel (it sinks into the hole all the way to the top of the handle, and you can hear water making it sing from ten yards away).

6) County road commissioner arrives to begin an investigation (taking information), since country road equipment and a driver were used. He goes back to the county seat.

7) I can’t find the equipment needed to cut out that street’s water. The cutoff valve wrench turned out to be in someone’s truck who was at work, the water system map book was in a trustee’s home, the meter cutoff wrench had been loaned to another homeowner so they could do a home project and not returned. I track down all these people and get them to give me that crap.

[correct procedures: Unauthorised persons should not have access to municipal property, in particular the water system, which is regulated by the EPA and state. Tools should not be taken home or loaned out; to cut off the water at your meter you should call the water operator and have her or him do that; when your job is done, call again to turn it on. Do not take government records home without signing them out.]

Because the plumbers cannot get the hole dewatered with the pump, our village maintenance mechanic goes to get our submersible marine water pump. It is not in the shop, but at least the person who took it left a note.

[correct procedure: rent your own damn pump or pay the village to do your dewatering job]

The hole is dewatered with our pump. By this time I’d already dug up the cutoff valves to shut the block off. The plumbers discover there is a second shutoff valve in-line with the sheared-off curb stop with which they can cut off that house. They cut the water off. They are now repairing the water line. Now the homeowner has a hole ten feet wide and six feet deep in their yard, all caused by flooding sand out of the area around the pipes and meter.

Epilogue: The county road commissioner came back, and said he’d come to an understanding with the driver, who will be reprimanded. He and the homeowner will split 50-50 the final bill from the plumbers.

Oh, the joys of living in a small rural village where everybody knows everybody else and will skirt rules and procedures to do favors for friends off the books to help them out and save them some money.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:23:36pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

Living in Hampton Roads, it’s never failed to amuse me over the years hearing people dependent upon federal dollars to keep the economy running bitching about “big government.” The only thing funnier was the serious suggestions back in the 00s that VA Beach could survive on tourist dollars if the Navy ended up closing NAS Oceana and moving the jets elsewhere.

Virginia Beach was making that claim in the Eighties when I was stationed there and Republican Myra Obendorf was mayor (she also made the claim).

All the banks in Tidewater (except federal credit unions) all got together and decided to impose a $2 charge on cashing government cheques to grift from military personnel and retirees (a violation of federal law). While the military was busy going after the banks, (they were eventually fined by the government), Virginia Beach Navy Federal Credit Union (now part of Navy Federal Credit Union) cashed cheques with a wad of $2 bills in addition to larger bills.

Hampton Roads was flooded with $2 bills. Merchants and banks hated it. It also showed how dependent the economy was on NAS Oceana. (Had all the bases done that, the towns would have been buried in $2s.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:25:54pm

OT, personal stuff:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:28:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:28:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:28:53pm

re: #339 The Pie Overlord!

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These guys all admire Orban nuff said.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:29:03pm

Things you can expect to hear Republicans obsess over during the Mueller testimony:

- “Why didn’t you charge Fusion GPS with treason?”
- “When did you know it was all a hoax?”
- “Why didn’t you have Strzok and Page hung for treason?”
- “Why didn’t you investigate Hillary?”
- “When will you apologize to Trump for putting him through all this?”
- “Why didn’t you charge Comey with treason?”
- “Won’t you agree that being loyal to Der Fuh…er, the President is the most important thing for public servants?”

And, finally:

- “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?”

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:29:32pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, I believe he won’t watch it but will constantly be asking his staff what’s going on who in turn will tell him Bobby Three Sticks is saying NO COLLUSION.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:34:18pm

Several different writers are positing today that in 2020, Trump could lose by 5 Million votes and still win the EC. I’m starting to think that, if that happens, we’re entering ‘There will be blood’ territory, especially if the Dem has a clear majority of the vote.

Not advocating. Just thinking it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:37:21pm

‘Anorexia is not a choice’: study finds illness more than a psychiatric problem (Newcastle, NSW, Australia Star)

“We found unexpected links with metabolic function, which may explain why patients struggle to maintain a healthy weight, even after undergoing treatment, Professor Martin said.

“What we expected was to find genes that are clearly implicated in the psychiatric mental and health aspects of the disease, which is obviously important,” he said.

“But what has taken us by surprise is finding that there seem to be very strong links with metabolism as well.”

The Navy and VA have been after me my whole adult life claiming I have anorexia nervosa (for which I have consistently resisted psychiatric care, considering others in my family weigh about the same as me).

QIMR Berghofer researchers have played a vital role in helping to identify the first eight genes associated with the eating disorder. The study has also shown the origins of anorexia nervosa appear to be both metabolic and psychiatric.

They are looking for more people around the world to study the genetics associated with this, bulimia, or other disorders to contact them. The article has contact information at the bottom.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:39:12pm

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

Virginia Beach was making that claim in the Eighties when I was stationed there and Republican Myra Obendorf was mayor (she also made the claim).

All the banks in Tidewater (except federal credit unions) all got together and decided to impose a $2 charge on cashing government cheques to grift from military personnel and retirees (a violation of federal law). While the military was busy going after the banks, (they were eventually fined by the government), Virginia Beach Navy Federal Credit Union (now part of Navy Federal Credit Union) cashed cheques with a wad of $2 bills in addition to larger bills.

Hampton Roads was flooded with $2 bills. Merchants and banks hated it. It also showed how dependent the economy was on NAS Oceana. (Had all the bases done that, the towns would have been buried in $2s.)

Oberndorf was still mayor up til a decade ago, when she got ousted by a banker with more money and bigger promises of bringing jobs here. Between my own anecdotal evidence and the fact that he suddenly retired to be with his money last year, I suspect that the effort was a mixed bag at best. Despite the best efforts of the city council to try to convince people otherwise, VA Beach remains a Navy town and the idea that we could survive without the Navy is every bit as ridiculous today as it was during the BRAC. At least until someone cracks the mystery of why so many damned tourists keep coming to what is (by most accounts) a very boring city.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:39:28pm

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

The fact that is even possible should tell you the EC system isn’t the best way to decide a Presidential election. I can’t imagine many other countries where a candidate could get that many more votes than their opponent and still LOSE.

It’s like saying: “Okay, the Patriots won the Super Bowl by three touchdowns but we’re going to give the trophy to the Green Bay Packers because they have the larger fan base.”

Here’s the question though: If we were to theoretically abandon the EC and go straight popular vote, wouldn’t the Democratic candidate win most of the time?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:44:19pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s the question though: If we were to theoretically abandon the EC and go straight popular vote, wouldn’t the Democratic candidate win most of the time?

Only until the Very Pure Wing Dems encountered the passion of the Really, Really, Pure Wing Democrats.

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TedStriker  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:45:33pm

re: #54 Dr. Matt

Terrific. Donnie wants to create a society of non-citizens.

re: #60 Targetpractice

I’d say it’s more like Miller wants that, namely he wants a situation like that which exists in Europe right now, where entire generations have been born into limbo as their parents await naturalization.

It’s easier to fuck over and even just disappear low-wage workers that displease you or get uppity when they have no legal standing or citizenship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:48:21pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:49:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:49:17pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

The fact that is even possible should tell you the EC system isn’t the best way to decide a Presidential election. I can’t imagine many other countries where a candidate could get that many more votes than their opponent and still LOSE.

It’s like saying: “Okay, the Patriots won the Super Bowl by three touchdowns but we’re going to give the trophy to the Green Bay Packers because they have the larger fan base.”

Here’s the question though: If we were to theoretically abandon the EC and go straight popular vote, wouldn’t the Democratic candidate win most of the time?

Yes. So? If more Americans prefer the Democratic candidate, shouldn’t that candidate win?

Consider - the GOP at the moment is attempting to establish permanent MINORITARIAN rule. The Electoral College, denying statehood to DC and PR to keep their grip on the Senate, gerrymandering, voter supression - all this so they don’t have to change their policies to appeal to a broader constituency.

Indeed, the drive for minoritarian rule is becoming one of the GOP’s primary planks, not just something they do to maintain control. The belief that they and they alone represent REAL AMERICA has become more important than anything else in the party platform, as they discard what USED TO BE the most basic putative tenets of Republicanism.

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:49:57pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i just learned you can rehide
never knew that before

oh, and thanks a lot, damn you

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:49:59pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

in spoiler so you can hide it after looking…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:50:14pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Got to see this.

One lie the Apollo denialists like to tell is that the time delay from here to the Moon would be several minutes long, making it impossible to carry on the real time conversations in the official record. I challenged one to look it up on this smart-phone. He did so, and flat out lied to me about the results. This is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. These clods have no idea how obvious this lie is, because they don’t know how widespread and well-attested things like knowledge of the distance to the Moon are. (The ancient Romans knew the distance to the Moon, having observed the Earth’s shadow during eclipses to determine the relative sizes of the two bodies, then applying Eratosthenes of Alexandria’s measurement of the Earth’s circumference.)

In modern times, commercial and amateur radio operators have bounced radio signals off the moon and asteroids to communicate. Apollo missions even put radio corner reflectors at their sites and left them to make that process easier for amateurs.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:50:26pm

re: #194 William Lewis

This is really fucking important to remember. People give the British a pass on a lot of shit when they did really Nazi level evil in India and South Africa and elsewhere.

We can be better.

But only If we really want to live up to those who have pointed the way.

ETA: As an Anglican, religiously, I have a hell of a streak of Anglophile in me. I still view Britain the way I do America: The source of the ideals we work to live up to. Take it as you will.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:51:11pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DangerMan  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:51:15pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

In modern times, commercial and amateur radio operators have bounced radio signals off the moon and asteroids to communicate. Apollo missions even put radio corner reflectors at their sites and left them to make that process easier for amateurs.

‘you can’t prove that’ //

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:51:28pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:55:05pm

re: #359 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim.

do NOT look at #350…

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TedStriker  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:55:43pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 2:56:34pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

in spoiler so you can hide it after looking…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:00:11pm

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

Lemme see if I can make this more clear about what I mean.

The GOP was facing a demographic debacle if they didn’t adjust their beliefs to appeal to a broader constituency.

But they didn’t want to change their policy prescriptions to appeal to more people, so they started doing what they could to delay that - gerrymandering, voter ID, etc - so that they didn’t have to change their policies.

What has happened over time, however, is that preserving and enhancing minoritarian rule has become THE unifying cause of the GOP, such that they abandon all their old principles in favor of it.

Is that clearer?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:00:32pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

Oh god. My day wasn’t as bad as your day.

Mine only involved over 30 police cars, 1 fire engine, 2 ambulances, 4 EMS trucks, 3 police command vehicles (RV/bus bases), 1 armored truck…
…AND TWO ANIMAL CONTROL VANS.

At least that was the total from seeing only about HALF of my street, so there was probably a lot more than that.

No idea what the fuss was though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:01:40pm

re: #18 Belafon

Does anyone know the name they gave to the dividing line between the green part of the US and the more arid part? It runs up from about the DFW area north, and has been moving east over the last 100 years IIRC.

In weather, the line is marked on maps as a brown dashed line. It is called the “dry line” and represents the clash between air from the desert southwest impacting air from the Gulf of Mexico. It tends to move east in the day’s heating, and west in the evening. It is also forced west when a tropical storm comes ashore in the Gulf.

I don’t know if there’s a specific dividing line, other than the rather ambiguous division between “Great Plains” and “High Plains”

The High Plains has a “cold semi-arid” climate—Köppen BSk—receiving between 10-20 inches (250-510 mm) of precipitation annually.

Climate change may be affecting how that precipitation falls in the High Plains, but scientists are still studying that.

The area physically is generally defined as the western area of the Great Plains between 1,800 and 7,000 feet elevation. The highest point in Nebraska is higher in elevation than Denver (about ninety miles from me); I’m at about 3,600 feet in elevation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:02:54pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

Lemme see if I can make this more clear about what I mean.

The GOP was facing a demographic debacle if they didn’t adjust their beliefs to appeal to a broader constituency.

But they didn’t want to change their policy prescriptions to appeal to more people, so they started making doing what they could to delay that - gerrymandering, voter ID, etc - so that they didn’t have to change their policies.

What has happened over time, however, is that preserving and enhancing minoritarian rule has become THE unifying cause of the GOP, such that they abandon all their old principles in favor of it.

Is that clearer?

Yes. That explains to me perfectly why Graham acts the way he does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:03:23pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:03:59pm

remember that hot dog pie posted here not too long ago?

It gets worse…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:05:08pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

remember that hot dog pie posted here not too long ago?

It gets worse…

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See this is why we should welcome our immigrants. People from Latin America know how to treat sausages with respect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:05:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:05:35pm

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

I agree it’s past time to end the EC, go straight popular vote and see where the experiment leads.

It would be interesting though, because a bunch of rural conservative voters would suddenly find themselves outmatched so to speak.

I predict there would be some pretty severe reactions to that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:07:29pm

re: #23 I Would Prefer Not To

President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

It’s USA today.
I know he doesn’t expect it to work.
Does he love losing in the courts?

“We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, with all of those benefits,” Trump said.

And he lies about jus soli. Every nation in the Organisation of American States allows jus soli (except Venezuela). Many other nations do, and another group offers a restricted form of it in some manner or another.

Steve King must have orgasmed over that.

And both of them have been talking about birthright based on grandparents, which would strip me of citizenship.

I have a $50 bet with my county prosecutor/village attorney that Trump would try it (the county prosecutor is a Republican). He insisted Trump couldn’t or wouldn’t do that.

Trump could also be blowing bovine smoke, but if he does drop that executive order, I could go see the prosecutor and collect my $50.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:07:56pm

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:08:05pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this is news?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:08:10pm

re: #24 DangerMan

Says the man who coined “shithole countries”

Says the man who called the White House “a dump.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:08:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:10:12pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:10:40pm

re: #378 Eclectic Cyborg

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:10:48pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump to aide fifteen seconds later: “Who is Zimbabwe? Is he a Democrat?”

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:11:04pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

equal time from a different perspective…(also spoilered so you can hide it)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:12:28pm

re: #371 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree it’s past time to end the EC, go straight popular vote and see where the experiment leads.

It would be interesting though, because a bunch of rural conservative voters would suddenly find themselves outmatched so to speak.

I predict there would be some pretty severe reactions to that.

They would be even more upset. The irony is for all their crying about Obama. Obama was historically popular. Only threePresidents have gotten more than 50% of the vote twice since WWII.Obama and Reagan and Ike. Clinton didn’t do it and neither did Nixon and Dubya. There was definitely jealously of Obama’s popularity nationally which is why they easily embraced the delusion that they represent Real America.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:13:20pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He doesn’t know policy and neither do most of his advisers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:13:59pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

I doubt it. This issue really gets me on a personal level though. My grandparents’ older siblings were born before their parents naturalized. Most of the men fought in WWII and one who didn’t was deemed essential because of his steel mill job and had a family already. One of my aunts worked in NYC to help the war effort too. Trump hasn’t a clue what has made this country of immigrants great.

I’ve already said why it gets me on a personal level, since my father’s family came here as “illegal immigrants” under the racist 1924 Immigration Act (hey, that was passed by conservatives too, who were also promoting “great replacement” though they didn’t call it that.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:15:03pm

And if his advisers do know policy. They care more about weakening that institution’s function. Great example of this is Scalia Jr for DOL. Hes not uneducated on what the DOL does but is certainly uninterested in DOL’s core mission.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:15:48pm

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve already said why it gets me on a personal level, since my father’s family came here as “illegal immigrants” under the racist 1924 Immigration Act (hey, that was passed by conservatives too, who were also promoting “great replacement” though they didn’t call it that.)

Me too. My grandmother’s mother got here in 1921. Plus my nieces mother family.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:16:14pm

Rob Rogers

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:16:57pm

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

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I resent as a LGF lizard being compared to Trump. :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:17:03pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Yes. That explains to me perfectly why Graham acts the way he does.

Go back to WF Buckley’s 1957 column, “Why The South Must Prevail” -

“The central question that emerges…is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes - it is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.”

There has never been, in my lifetime (being born the same year as this column was published) a Conservatism that held democracy - the idea that government derives its authority from the just consent of the governed - as the most important principle of government.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:18:39pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG, I googled hot dog aspic and my day is ruined.

“I went to the doctor. I said, ‘It hurts when I go like that.’ He said, ‘Don’t go like that.’”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:21:31pm

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

Go back to WF Buckley’s 1957 column, “Why The South Must Prevail” -

“The central question that emerges…is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes - it is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.”

There has never been, in my lifetime (being born the same year as this column was published) a Conservatism that held democracy - the idea that government derives its authority from the just consent of the governed - as the most important principle of government.

Absolutely. It gets me thinking about the authoritarian regimes conservative governments supported and or propped up. Anti communism mattered more than shared democratic values. Nearly 30 years after the fall of the USSR, it’s even worse, it’s based on how the leader views Trump. Maduro would be praised by Trump if Maduro charmed him like Putin, Duterte, Kim, & the Saudi prince did:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:24:11pm

Ya notice how Trump who claims to treat Omar because she “praised Al Queda” hasn’t said one word about Rand Paul holding up the 9/11 compensation for victims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:24:41pm

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve already said why it gets me on a personal level, since my father’s family came here as “illegal immigrants” under the racist 1924 Immigration Act (hey, that was passed by conservatives too, who were also promoting “great replacement” though they didn’t call it that.)

my mother’s grandparents came here legally through Castle Garden back in the 1800s.
Her mother was born in Pennsylvania.
Her mother lost her American citizenship after she married my grandfather. He was a legal immigrant via Ellis Island in the early 1910s, but he came from a country that was not approved under the 1924 Act.
Grandma never got her citizenship back.

It’s all just fucking bullshit and I’m not going to lose one minute of sleep over it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:25:39pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another comment in that thread says:

How can a racist have friends who are black?
The same way a serial killer can have friends who are alive.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:26:54pm

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Ya notice how Trump who claims to treat Omar because she “praised Al Queda” hasn’t said one word about Rand Paul holding up the 9/11 compensation for victims.

Omar is the one my dad confused with Rashida Tlaib a while back, and he called and gave me a thorough verbal beating about how he hopes I’m not in her district and I need to call her office and complain. I’ve finally come to the conclusion, after last weekend, that my dad is just a flat-out drooling racist. Can’t deny it anymore.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:27:07pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

They would be even more upset. The irony is for all their crying about Obama. Obama was historically popular. Only threePresidents have gotten more than 50% of the vote twice since WWII.Obama and Reagan and Ike. Clinton didn’t do it and neither did Nixon and Dubya. There was definitely jealously of Obama’s popularity nationally which is why they easily embraced the delusion that they represent Real America.

But what is Real America?

- Is it a Detroit Lions halftime show?

- It is a young married couple moving into their new home in San Francisco for the first time.

- Is it a busy pizza shop in New York?

- Is it some rappers and street dancers in Miami?

- Is it a farmer in Nebraska tending to his crops?

- Is it a family in Georgia taking their pickup truck to the creek on a hot summers day?

- Is a father and son going to a gun range and doing some target shooting on Saturday morning?

- Is it a group of friends hiking the Rockies in Colorado?

- Is it some college kids smoking weed in an apartment in Seattle?

- Is it the single mother from Phoenix working two jobs to support her kids?

- Is it a Latina woman selling handmade crafts in a market in San Antonio?

It’s clearly ALL OF THESE THINGS and that seems to be the part that conservatives have a tough time grasping.

Like it or not we are a diverse nation and a diverse people. But that’s not a bad thing. Two weeks ago I was at a freshwater spring in Florida swimming. A black guy and his family talked to me about how cold the water was. Some Latinos who were there had a tent set up and they were playing music and dancing, others joined in. An Asian man and his girlfriend were taking pictures on a nearby dock. We were all having fun, it was a good time. Multiculturalism is NOT a bad thing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:28:35pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How are you so sure that SCOTUS wouldn’t overturn birthright citizenship? I’m not sure if anything given what they did to the Voting Rights Act and the Muslim ban.

There is no law governing birthright citizenship. It has been widely accepted as covered by the XIV Amendment, but has never been tested in the courts other than Wong Kim Ark, which ruled the Chinese Exclusion Act constitutional.

The 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act effectively neutered Wong Kim Ark but did not address birthright citizenship.

That little nugget is what drives sovereign citizens; the wording of the XIV Amendment to them means the amendment only makes freed slaves citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:30:13pm

re: #396 Eclectic Cyborg

But what is Real America?

- Is it a Detroit Lions halftime show?

- It is a young married couple moving into their new home in San Francisco for the first time.

- Is it a busy pizza shop in New York?

- Is it some rappers and street dancers in Miami?

- Is it a farmer in Nebraska tending to his crops?

- Is it a family in Georgia taking their pickup truck to the creek on a hot summers day?

- Is a father and son going to a gun range and doing some target shooting on Saturday morning?

- Is it a group of friends hiking the Rockies in Colorado?

- Is it some college kids smoking weed in an apartment in Seattle?

- Is it the single mother from Phoenix working two jobs to support her kids?

- Is it a Latina woman selling handmade crafts in a market in San Antonio?

It’s clearly ALL OF THESE THINGS and that seems to be the part that conservatives have a tough time grasping.

Like it or not we are a diverse nation and a diverse people. But that’s not a bad thing. Two weeks ago I was at a freshwater spring in Florida swimming. A black guy and his family talked to me about how cold the water was. Some Latinos who were there had a tent set up and they were playing music and dancing, others joined in. An Asian man and his girlfriend were taking pictures on a nearby dock. We were all having fun, it was a good time. Multiculturalism is NOT a bad thing.

Multiculturalism is a great thing. It really is.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:30:25pm

re: #396 Eclectic Cyborg

Multiculturalism enriches us as a country by bringing in alternate perspectives and experiences. Hell, we don’t even speak the Queen’s own English - English as a whole, and especially the bastardized American version, is a rich melting-pot of other languages fused with an Anglo-Saxon base.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:32:00pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:32:04pm

re: #137 DangerMan

- yes, not everyone needs to file taxes
- most adults who earn money do
- there are legal and $ penalties for not filing taxes - depending on why

- so yes, while not filing taxes is illegal, it doesn’t necessarily subject you to criminal penalties.

BUT, and this is a big BUT:

- Tax evasion is a criminal offense that occurs when an individual fails to file taxes despite knowing that there is a requirement to file.

Libertarians think taxation is unconstitutional and theft by force.

He is also wanted by Belize as a “person of interest” in a murder. He’s convinced Belize authorities will try to kill him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:32:42pm

re: #394 Anymouse 🌹

Another comment in that thread says:

How can a racist have friends who are black?
The same way a serial killer can have friends who are alive.

Racists can have black friends, because their friend will be “one of the good ones”.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:34:01pm

re: #399 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Multiculturalism enriches us as a country by bringing in alternate perspectives and experiences. Hell, we don’t even speak the Queen’s own English - English as a whole, and especially the bastardized American version, is a rich melting-pot of other languages fused with an Anglo-Saxon base.

Our culture too. Look at our music. It takes in some way from the many groups that call our country home. Maybe we’re not the melting pot but a Paella bowl where there’s lots of different food to try.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:35:37pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Multiculturalism is a great thing. It really is.

It makes you realize that despite our many differences, we’re really not all that different in the end. We all love, laugh and cry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:36:51pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Our culture too. Look at our music. It takes in some way from the many groups that call our country home. Maybe we’re not the melting pot but a Paella bowl where there’s lots of different food to try.

Yesss, I like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:38:01pm

yeah, this happened in my general area today

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:38:29pm

Multiculturalism allows my family to have Thai food one day. Another day I can listen to music influenced by Celtic immigrants, African slaves, & others. The American cultural experience more than most other countries is constantly in flux. Our great grandparents likely unless they were from Italian families never enjoyed pizza. Pizza, an Italian dish is one of our culinary icons that everyone young, old, black, white, left or right can enjoy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:39:01pm

Leaving aside multiculturalism, whether it’s bad or good (Spoiler: it’s good), that’s not even the point of America.

America isn’t about having a common culture, or many cultures. America is about allegiance to an idea - that all people are equal, that freedom is a positive good, that the authority of the government comes from the governed.

None of the basic idea that we all declare allegiance to requires anyone to come from any particular culture.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:39:08pm

re: #405 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yesss, I like that.

Feel free to use it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:39:46pm

we went to the Kroger store in Maysville at 7 am in an attempt to “beat the heat”.

Condensation on the Trailblazer’s windows and mirrors were a constant thing on the trip there and back.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:39:55pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:40:33pm

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

Leaving aside multiculturalism, whether it’s bad or good (Spoiler: it’s good), that’s not even the point of America.

America isn’t about having a common culture, or many cultures. America is about allegiance to an idea - that all people are equal, that freedom is a positive good, that the authority of the government comes from the governed.

None of the basic idea that we all declare allegiance to requires anyone to come from any particular culture.

Yep. Our own Declaration of Independence states up front, “We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:40:51pm

re: #146 mmmirele

There’s more backup for birthright citizenship than for DACA. US v Wong Kim Ark is the key case and the holding is based on the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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In the words of a 2007 legal analysis of events following the Wong Kim Ark decision, “The parameters of the jus soli principle, as stated by the court in Wong Kim Ark, have never been seriously questioned by the Supreme Court, and have been accepted as dogma by lower courts.”

Justice Kavanaugh has a well-established record of ignoring the rights of immigrants in cases he’s be part of.

The judicial concept of stare decisis (judicial precedent) is not necessarily a good argument for a case, and can cut both ways.

If you argue stare decisis covers previous decisions, then Roe v. Wade stands (good) and Buck v. Bell stands too (bad, and also never overturned).

Plessy v. Furgeson stood for nearly a century based on stare decisis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:42:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:43:53pm

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can only imagine that they have insinuated their people into platforms like that to make sure that such comments do not go unpunished.

And they won’t stop as long as people make excuses for why they “need” those platforms.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:47:03pm

re: #411 Belafon

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America’s beauty has always been we take the rest of the world and give our spin on it. That can be musically, culinary, broadly artistically, or whatever. We are the blank canvas for people trying to start anew. This guy is an Antisemitic dog whistler.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:47:08pm

I know there are some marshmallows here. Hulu dropped season 4 a week early. It’s available NOW.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:48:52pm
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The Ghost of Rattlesnake Whiskey Man  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:49:21pm

When these people talk about what is “American” they literally have no specific thing in mind. What they have is a sensation of what they’re comfortable with at any given moment, and a perhaps a scattering of images that aren’t of any actual American experience that existed, but are narratives from sentimental cultural material that evokes a feeling of comfort and normalcy. None of their positions are really thought out, their beliefs are filled with exceptions and conditionals that they won’t acknowledge, and they cite texts that they don’t read.

What’s godly? What they’re already doing.
What’s constitutional? Having a right to do what they want…but not other people.

I’ve been banging this drum all along: start with how meaningless the 2nd Amendment is, how the term is invoked to justify killings that make no sense, how “self defense” expands and contracts depending on the relative status of the killer and killed…now apply that level of shameless self-serving bullshitting to God, nation, law, economics….

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EPR-radar  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:53:20pm

re: #345 Anymouse 🌹

The Navy and VA have been after me my whole adult life claiming I have anorexia nervosa (for which I have consistently resisted psychiatric care, considering others in my family weigh about the same as me).

This apparent effort to diagnose anorexia based only on weight seems ridiculous to me. For starters, an entire adult life with anorexia would likely be very short and/or include multiple medically significant starvation episodes.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:53:37pm

Conservatives: “Good riddance!”

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A Mom Anon  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:54:20pm

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ahh so you’ll be joining me in petitioning to get our towns renamed to Satan’s Asscrack then? I have only seen humidity like it is here in GA (yes it’s the South, but where I am is in the northern third of the state, we generally don’t see it get this gnarly for this long) in south Florida or in Mexico in August. Half my veggie garden is dead from heat and bugs. The bugs are crazy awful here this year, and I was bitching about how bad it was last year.

I do not understand any farmer or gardener who rejects climate science. I’ve been growing stuff anywhere I had a spot to my whole adult life and things have changed, gradually at first and more quickly in about the last 5 years. We have almost no monarch butterflies anymore, lots fewer honeybees, more bugs that eat stuff away to nothing, not to mention fungus and molds and crap. That’s just my little part of the world, and clear cut development all around here isn’t a helper either.

Critical mass is gonna be a bitch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:54:28pm

re: #420 The Ghost of Quesos Past

When these people talk about what is “American” they literally have no specific thing in mind. What they have is a sensation of what they’re comfortable with at any given moment, and a perhaps a scattering of images that aren’t of any actual American experience that existed, but are narratives from sentimental cultural material that evokes a feeling of comfort and normalcy. None of their positions are really thought out, their beliefs are filled with exceptions and conditionals that they won’t acknowledge, and they cite texts that they don’t read.

What’s godly? What they’re already doing.
What’s constitutional? Having a right to do what they want…but not other people.

I’ve been banging this drum all along: start with how meaningless the 2nd Amendment is, how the term is invoked to justify killings that make no sense, how “self defense” expands and contracts depending on the relative status of the killer and killed…now apply that level of shameless self-serving bullshitting to God, nation, law, economics….

It boils down to THEY have the right never to be made to feel uncomfortable about anything. That’s what America means to them.

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EPR-radar  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:55:19pm

re: #422 DodgerFan1988

The Pig People: “Great. Trump’s policies are working the way we want them to.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:55:34pm

re: #422 DodgerFan1988

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Conservatives: “Good riddance!”

Rest of the world: “Fuck you!”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:59:41pm

I’ve been trying to page this - but I keep getting an error:

George Nader, who flipped on the Trump Crime Family, turns out - surprise - to be a total perv

As always, as with everything the right-wingers do, it’s all about PROJECTION.

No other administration would allow someone this sleazy access to the President.

George Nader, who was a key witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, was hit with new federal charges of sex trafficking for allegedly “engaging in sexual acts” with a 14-year-old boy he transported from Europe.

An indictment unsealed Friday morning in Eastern District of Virginia also charges Nader with counts of child pornography and obscenity. The charges come on top of separate child-porn charges leveled by the same prosecutors last month.

This guy is a total sleaze and cretin. As such, he was obviously the kind of person that Trump surrounds himself with - like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Jeffrey Epstein, etc. etc.

helped broker a key meeting between Erik Prince, the former Blackwater CEO, and Kirill Dmitriev, the head of one of Russia’s sovereign wealth funds, in the Seychelles in January 2017. That meeting came under intense scrutiny by Mueller’s team and was described in its report as one of the ways the Russians tried to influence the incoming Trump administration.

Federal prosecutors in Virginia argued last month in court that Nader should be held in jail before trial, based in part on his prior criminal history. That history includes a 2003 conviction in the Czech Republic on charges of abusing minors, including a charge of transporting of a minor boy to the U.S. for sexual purposes.

On “The Good Fight,” they said that it’s not the corruption or treason that will bring Trump down. It’s the women. The average mouth-breathing Midwestern tard can’t follow these complex financial schemes whereby Trump is stealing billions … but they can follow a good old-fashioned sex scandal.

Where will this lead?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 3:59:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:02:17pm

re: #260 gocart mozart

The disabled were one of the first groups the Nazis went after, after locking up their political opponents.

I’m one of the disability groups they targeted back then.

Conservatives have always been bigots, but now there are too many things they are doing which makes me fear for my life.

We had a short political discussion while I was swinging a pickaxe today, which ended with me asking why I didn’t stay in Ontario during my Memorial Day trip.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:02:31pm

Shit. And now I see that it showed up 4 times in the side rail.

Sorry, boss. It kept coming back with “ERROR!” and I thought it wasn’t posting.

Will try to remove the duplicates.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:03:10pm

A raven just landed on the lightpost outside my office. Ravens are big fucking birds.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:04:38pm

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

It took me about 30 seconds to figure out the bits with the capitalization. Then I LOL’d.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:08:07pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

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Stealing at once.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:08:14pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s the question though: If we were to theoretically abandon the EC and go straight popular vote, wouldn’t the Democratic candidate win most of the time?

It would take a constitutional amendment to abandon the EC.

But if we were to double the size of the House (last time it was increased was almost 100 years ago, when the nation’s population was 127 million) — then the distortion brought on by sparsely-populated states having the same number of senators as everyone else, would be much diminished. (also, add PR/VI and DC as 2 new states).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:08:36pm

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

Holy shit, is that real?!

If so, that’s one of the best Cease and Desist letters I’ve ever seen.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:11:52pm

re: #422 DodgerFan1988

So depressing. This is why votes matter. May she R.I.P.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:11:52pm

re: #435 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy shit, is that real?!

If so, that’s one of the best Cease and Desist letters I’ve ever seen.

As far as I can tell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:12:27pm

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, other companies on these morons “potential sponsor” list: Ben & Jerrys, Starbucks and Nike.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:18:21pm

re: #438 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, other companies on these morons “potential sponsor” list: Ben & Jerrys, Starbucks and Nike.

Clearly, any company that hasn’t said no (perhaps because they were never asked) could - potentially - be a sponsor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:24:01pm

re: #346 Targetpractice

Oberndorf was still mayor up til a decade ago, when she got ousted by a banker with more money and bigger promises of bringing jobs here. Between my own anecdotal evidence and the fact that he suddenly retired to be with his money last year, I suspect that the effort was a mixed bag at best. Despite the best efforts of the city council to try to convince people otherwise, VA Beach remains a Navy town and the idea that we could survive without the Navy is every bit as ridiculous today as it was during the BRAC. At least until someone cracks the mystery of why so many damned tourists keep coming to what is (by most accounts) a very boring city.

When I lived at the beach, I was amused by the pictorial signs;

No drink containers
No pets
No surfboards
No Frisbees
No game balls (football, volleyball, &c)
Have fun

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:24:22pm

She needs to drop out already.

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:24:26pm

re: #418 Teddy’s Person

I know there are some marshmallows here. Hulu dropped season 4 a week early. It’s available NOW.

MANY MANY UPDINGS!! Thank you for telling us…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:27:07pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

in spoiler so you can hide it after looking…

AAAAAAAAaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!

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sagehen  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:28:04pm

re: #429 Anymouse 🌹

The disabled were one of the first groups the Nazis went after, after locking up their political opponents.

But they gave that up pretty quickly, ‘cause there was A LOT of pushback from people whose support they needed.

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BeachDem  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:33:45pm

re: #418 Teddy’s Person

I know there are some marshmallows here. Hulu dropped season 4 a week early. It’s available NOW.

You just made my weekend. Thanks—signed, an original Marshmallow!

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:33:56pm

re: #106 sagehen

One would think a torch-lit parade of overtly white-supremacists, chanting anti-Jew slogans, would be enough to meet that bar.

Sadly, no.

+1 for the shout-out to one of the Old School blogs that kept me sane during the Bush II administration, Sadly, No!

How many here migrated from that outpost, I wonder?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:33:58pm

re: #364 Sufficient unto the day…

Oh god. My day wasn’t as bad as your day.

Mine only involved over 30 police cars, 1 fire engine, 2 ambulances, 4 EMS trucks, 3 police command vehicles (RV/bus bases), 1 armored truck…
…AND TWO ANIMAL CONTROL VANS.

At least that was the total from seeing only about HALF of my street, so there was probably a lot more than that.

No idea what the fuss was though.

Wow. To get thirty police cars here, we’d have to call departments for a hundred miles around, including southeastern Wyoming.

That sounds like they either discovered a meth lab or a bomb making scheme.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:37:18pm

re: #427 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I’ve been trying to page this - but I keep getting an error:

George Nader, who flipped on the Trump Crime Family, turns out - surprise - to be a total perv

As always, as with everything the right-wingers do, it’s all about PROJECTION.

[Embedded content]

This guy is a total sleaze and cretin. As such, he was obviously the kind of person that Trump surrounds himself with - like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Jeffrey Epstein, etc. etc.

On “The Good Fight,” they said that it’s not the corruption or treason that will bring Trump down. It’s the women. The average mouth-breathing Midwestern tard can’t follow these complex financial schemes whereby Trump is stealing billions … but they can follow a good old-fashioned sex scandal.

Where will this lead?

Nader isn’t merely a perv.

He’s a child rapist who sexually assaulted boys. He was a convicted sex predator in Czech republic where he sought to get one to touch him, and instead jerked off on to the kid. Czech justice gave him a year. He had other charges elsewhere dropped.

Why did he avoid justice? Why was he involved in diplomatic entreaties and backchannel efforts in the ME for nearly 20 years?

That’s the goddamned mystery. What channels was he using, and why is it that Trumpworld is a magnet for all these sex predators?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:37:44pm

re: #371 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree it’s past time to end the EC, go straight popular vote and see where the experiment leads.

It would be interesting though, because a bunch of rural conservative voters would suddenly find themselves outmatched so to speak.

I predict there would be some pretty severe reactions to that.

Rural liberal voters would add to the pile of liberal votes. Majority-conservative areas like mine would still have local and state governments. Isn’t that what they’ve been harping on for decades? Local control?

And that stupid refrain “This isn’t a democracy, this is a republic” is nothing more than a rote memorisation of the high priests of their conservative religion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:39:23pm

re: #441 Patricia Kayden

Why is she going to be on the next debate stage, if her campaign is failing?

I thought there were limits put on viability by the DNC?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:39:58pm

re: #449 Anymouse 🌹

Rural liberal voters would add to the pile of liberal votes. Majority-conservative areas like mine would still have local and state governments. Isn’t that what they’ve been harping on for decades? Local control?

And that stupid refrain “This isn’t a democracy, this is a republic” is nothing more than a rote memorisation of the high priests of their conservative religion.

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” - David Frum

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retired cynic  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:40:21pm

re: #446 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

+1 for the shout-out to one of the Old School blogs that kept me sane during the Bush II administration, Sadly, No!

How many here migrated from that outpost, I wonder?

Moi.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:40:22pm

There’s way too much distraction for the Democratic candidates for President.

All the candidates need to be hammering Republicans and Trump 24/7.

I’ll then pick whoever is the best hammer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:41:30pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Only two Presidents have gotten more than 50% of the vote twice since WWII. Obama and Reagan and Ike.

I was told there would be no math. /s

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:44:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:45:20pm

re: #396 Eclectic Cyborg

- Is it a hippie in Nebraska swinging a pickaxe? /s

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:45:56pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

They would be even more upset. The irony is for all their crying about Obama. Obama was historically popular. Only threePresidents have gotten more than 50% of the vote twice since WWII.Obama and Reagan and Ike. Clinton didn’t do it and neither did Nixon and Dubya. There was definitely jealously of Obama’s popularity nationally which is why they easily embraced the delusion that they represent Real America.

Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, Obama all won at least one election with >50% of the popular vote.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:50:53pm

re: #231 lawhawk

For all the guitarists on here…. and music lovers generally… this is for you.

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that’s called the “damped unichord.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:50:57pm

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

It makes you realize that despite our many differences, we’re really not all that different in the end. We all love, laugh and cry.

Ponca Chief Standing Bear in his court case in Omaha, which won for all natives the rights guaranteed under the Constitution:

“That hand is not the color of yours, but if I prick it, the blood will flow, and I shall feel pain,” said Standing Bear. “The blood is of the same color as yours. God made me, and I am a man.”

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:51:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:52:10pm

yowser.

105mph is hurricane strength winds

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:53:34pm
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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:54:11pm

NSFW for language… but that just adds to the humor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:54:40pm

re: #411 Belafon

Wow, right out of the Nazi dogwhistle playbook. I’m surprised he didn’t append the adjective “rootless” to it.

That douchecanoe is who replaced Claire McCaskill. Good job, Missouri.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:55:24pm

re: #412 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yep. Our own Declaration of Independence states up front, “We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.”

Conservatives are pursuing their happiness: Racism.

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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:57:01pm

re: #395 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mine was. There’s zero doubt he called Obama the N word.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 4:58:33pm

re: #427 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I’ve been trying to page this - but I keep getting an error:

George Nader, who flipped on the Trump Crime Family, turns out - surprise - to be a total perv

As always, as with everything the right-wingers do, it’s all about PROJECTION.

[Embedded content]

This guy is a total sleaze and cretin. As such, he was obviously the kind of person that Trump surrounds himself with - like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Jeffrey Epstein, etc. etc.

On “The Good Fight,” they said that it’s not the corruption or treason that will bring Trump down. It’s the women. The average mouth-breathing Midwestern tard can’t follow these complex financial schemes whereby Trump is stealing billions … but they can follow a good old-fashioned sex scandal.

Where will this lead?

Now conservatives will use it to discredit all his testimony, just like they tried to do with Michael Cohen when he was convicted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:00:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:03:27pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:05:48pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:06:09pm

re: #448 lawhawk

Nader isn’t merely a perv.

He’s a child rapist who sexually assaulted boys. He was a convicted sex predator in Czech republic where he sought to get one to touch him, and instead jerked off on to the kid. Czech justice gave him a year. He had other charges elsewhere dropped.

Why did he avoid justice? Why was he involved in diplomatic entreaties and backchannel efforts in the ME for nearly 20 years?

That’s the goddamned mystery. What channels was he using, and why is it that Trumpworld is a magnet for all these sex predators?

I am starting to wonder if the whole QAnon obsession about there being some secret cabal of international sex predators in league with oligarchs is the right construct, but wrong perpetrators.

The sexual perversion stuff keeps coming up - Manafort and Stone were in these underground sex clubs where they wanted to see their wives get gang-banged by other dudes. Manafort’s daughters texted about it, and how their mom didn’t want to get hammered by a bunch of savages for her sick husband’s entertainment. Stone got busted for it, and has openly said, “Yeah, so what?”

And then we’ve got Donald Trump’s known sex addiction and perversions.

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Chrysicat  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:07:58pm

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am so glad it looks like Buzz will be the final survivor.

Armstrong and Shepard were too conservative and Collins is just too invisible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:08:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:10:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:10:56pm

Narrator’s Voice: The actual hatred is coming from inside the White House.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:10:59pm

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

yowser.

105mph is hurricane strength winds

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Ick, I’m just inside the southern edge of that. So much for taking the motorcycle to work tonight…

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Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:12:24pm

re: #422 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Conservatives: “Good riddance!”

Kayne West could have called about this but a rapper in jail in Sweden is so much more important.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:12:33pm

re: #434 sagehen

It would take a constitutional amendment to abandon the EC.

But if we were to double the size of the House (last time it was increased was almost 100 years ago, when the nation’s population was 127 million) — then the distortion brought on by sparsely-populated states having the same number of senators as everyone else, would be much diminished. (also, add PR/VI and DC as 2 new states).

The National Popular Vote Compact would render the Electoral College irrelevant.

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Explanation. It has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes (CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA). See map. The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes. The bill has passed one house in 8 additional states with 75 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK), including a 40-16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House and a 28-18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, and been approved unanimously by committee votes in two additional Republican-controlled states with 26 electoral votes (GA, MO).

(Status of each state on the bill at the link).

The bill is passed by state legislatures, promising to cast electoral votes to the national popular vote winner and directing all electors to cast their votes that way. it takes effect in the states which pass the bill when there are 270 or more electoral votes.

Even for small states with few electoral votes, it presents one advantage: presidential campaigns would then focus on the states which are members of the Compact when they campaign. So Republican Wyoming and Democratic Vermont would see campaigners.

In Nebraska, voters of both parties support the bill by wide margins, with small numbers supporting our current system (divide electoral votes by US House district and the two state votes to the statewide popular vote winner), and almost none support a winner-take-all system.

Without regard to party affiliation, 67% support the National Popular Vote bill.

The problem here is that is not a top priority for voters, so Republicans keep killing the bill in committee.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:15:25pm

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fact that we’ve got naturalized citizens in Congress means that they know from experience what other cultures and societies have to deal with. It broadens the view from Congress - and you don’t have to agree with anything/everything they say.

We need more, not fewer, immigrants. We need more naturalized citizens. We need less white supremacist bulkshit and we definitely need to help those folks who are being left behind.

But goddamned Nazis can go fuck themselves with rusty pitchforks sideways, because they’d rather blame everyone else but themselves for their situation, and wont do anything to help everyone, including themselves if it means minorities gain too. GOPers have made us v. them a black and white issue - literally and figuratively - when that’s actually masking the rich v. everyone else that they hope to achieve.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:15:26pm

re: #466 plansbandc

Mine was. There’s zero doubt he called Obama the N word.

After he told me that we shouldn’t let “those people” come here illegally and then get everything we have handed to them for free, I finally came to the conclusion that 1) he’s an old white racist fuck and 2) there isn’t really any hope for him. Won’t stop me from trying, though.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:16:26pm

1984 is already here.
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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:17:58pm

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

The Liam Martin timeline also celebrates the 50th anniversary of Oscar the Grouch.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:25:31pm

re: #462 The Pie Overlord!

Wow. That looks so unsafe. I would have to take an Uber since I’d be terrified to be caught in such a huge crowd in a tight space.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:25:49pm

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

Narrator’s Voice: The actual hatred is coming from inside the White House.

There’s always a tweet:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:29:25pm
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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:32:25pm

I’m going to have to get a Hulu card and watch Veronica. Can’t have another streaming service, but I could buy a month for that.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:32:30pm

re: #459 Anymouse 🌹

Ponca Chief Standing Bear in his court case in Omaha, which won for all natives the rights guaranteed under the Constitution:

Standing Bear might have been slamming Shakespeare back at the rez:

” If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:34:14pm

re: #487 Decatur Deb

Standing Bear might have been slamming Shakespeare back at the rez:

” If you prick us, do we not
bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you
poison us, do we not die?”

I thought that was Khan in “Star Trek.” /s

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:34:45pm

Here is everything you need to know about Pee In Space (thread)

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Chrysicat  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:35:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:36:48pm
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Mattand  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:38:05pm

re: #231 lawhawk

For all the guitarists on here…. and music lovers generally… this is for you.

[Embedded content]

Assuming it’s not Photoshopped, not enough fail in the world.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:40:02pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:40:59pm

H-uh. Mrs. Fish is debating with an extended family member and asked me if The Squad had immigrated legally. That’s when I learned that Rep. Omar is actually here as a refugee under political asylum. No wonder she drives Trump so bugfuck insane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:42:54pm

re: #494 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

H-uh. Mrs. Fish is debating with an extended family member and asked me if The Squad had immigrated legally. That’s when I learned that Rep. Omar is actually here as a refugee under political asylum. No wonder she drives Trump so bugfuck insane.

ummm…three of The Squad were actually born here, they didn’t have to immigrate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:43:07pm

Every dime Trump spends of the RNC’s money is one more dime they don’t have to spend on campaigns or adverts.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:43:16pm

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…three of The Squad were actually born here, they didn’t have to immigrate.

Correct - she was asking about their families, if their parents came over legally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:44:16pm

re: #497 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Correct - she was asking about their families, if their parents came over legally.

could ask the same of trump’s grandparents, his mother, and two of his wives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:45:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:45:44pm

re: #494 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

H-uh. Mrs. Fish is debating with an extended family member and asked me if The Squad had immigrated legally. That’s when I learned that Rep. Omar is actually here as a refugee under political asylum. No wonder she drives Trump so bugfuck insane.

One born in Michigan, one in Ohio, one in New York. One granted political asylum to the USA from Somalia as a child.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:45:56pm
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Chrysicat  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:46:36pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:46:44pm

re: #500 Anymouse 🌹

One born in Michigan, one in Ohio, one in New York. One granted political asylum to the USA from Somalia as a child.

The thing is, I knew in my head that the large Minnesotan Somali community is almost entirely, if not actually entirely, political refugees - it just didn’t sink in until now exactly what that meant, in the context of the tangerine wankmaggot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:48:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:49:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:49:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:52:35pm

re: #497 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Correct - she was asking about their families, if their parents came over legally.

Well …

The perpetual foreigner stereotype is a racialized form of nativist xenophobia in the United States in which naturalized and even native-born citizens (including families which have lived in the country for generations) are considered non-American because they belong to minority groups. It has been particularly applied as a negative stereotype of Asian Americans, but it has also affected other Americans who have been considered the “the other” and therefore legally unassimilable (either historically or socially).

Perpetual Foreigner (goes to Wikipedia).

In personal interactions, it can take the form of an act of microaggression in which a member of a minority group may be asked, “Where are you from?”, or it can take the form of an explicit act of aggression in which a member of a minority group may be told, “Go back to where you came from”.

Black Americans are often told “go back to Africa” as a racial insult, despite the fact that on average, they have a longer family history in the United States than many white Americans do.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission defines workplace comments like “Go back where you came from” as a potentially illegal form of ethnic harassment. The message conveys a sense that the person is “not supposed to be there, or that it isn’t their place,” and it is often encountered when the minority person is “speaking out in predominantly white spaces”. Hate crimes, such as the murder of Vincent Chin, are described as the most brutal form of the perpetual foreigner syndrome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:53:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:55:14pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:58:51pm

EEK!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:59:17pm
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CleverToad  Jul 19, 2019 • 5:59:47pm

re: #40 Ferdinand

From the piece, published last year. I’ve always loved American geographical history stuff.

re: #224 A Three Hour Tour

The Dry Line?

Interesting information about the 100th Meridian!
Yeah, we always just called it the Dry Line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:00:07pm

re: #511 teleskiguy

EEK!

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that’s what potential 105mph wind gusts look like

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:01:07pm

re: #507 Anymouse 🌹

Ayup. Mrs. Fish was trying to point out, to the point of that article, that there’s no “there” for them to go back to. Aside from Rep. Omar, “where you came from” is a United States city.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:03:34pm

re: #513 CleverToad

Interesting information about the 100th Meridian!
Yeah, we always just called it the Dry Line.

I’m good at 93.6°W then. /s (wait a minute, we usually get about sixteen inches of rain a year.)

usclimatedata.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:07:01pm

re: #511 teleskiguy

EEK!

That is a massive supercell.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:09:14pm

re: #463 lawhawk

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:12:37pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@AOC: “It has taken us 240 years to have this unique composite of a Congress in this moment. And we will not go back … We will not go back to the days of injustice … We will not go back, we will go forward. But we sure as hell will not stand still.”

The day she breaks out with No Pasaran, I will pledge my love forever.

Youtube Video

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:12:46pm

I’m off to bed now. I’ve sufficiently hydrated I won’t dry up and blow away now.

Note to self: Next time, wear work gloves when swinging a pickaxe, even if it’s 107°F outside. The blistered hands you won’t have will thank you.

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lawhawk  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:14:34pm

re: #518 Belafon

What’s funny about the gif you responded with is that that’s Robert Redford, not Mark Hamill. Their visages are uncanny given the circumstances. The shot is from Jeremiah Johnson.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:14:41pm
523
steve_davis  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:14:56pm

re: #21 Mescalero09

Hello all. Thanks for the kind thoughts. I just got reminded of this guy and this is one hell of an album. It’s worth a listen. He still talks to me.
Half past July and The Sun Has Landed.

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I recently downloaded and listened to that album. Yes, absolutely excellent.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:16:46pm

I wonder how Trump will soil tomorrow’s big anniversary of the Apollo landing.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:22:18pm

re: #524 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder how Trump will soil tomorrow’s big anniversary of the Apollo landing.

Moment of silence on the third hole.

526
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:26:52pm

re: #525 Decatur Deb

Moment of silence on the third hole.

Fucker drives his golf cart on the greens.

Donald Trump driving a golf cart on a golf green!

527
Dave In Austin  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:37:40pm

Rachel’s on the bees tonight.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:43:52pm

re: #524 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder how Trump will soil tomorrow’s big anniversary of the Apollo landing.

What is more interesting is how Trump’s large conspiracy-minded base will process any adulation he lavishes on NASA and the brave astronauts. Will they accept Trump’s congratulations on such a stupendous human achievement or will they once again process the double-negative bit of cognitive flotsam and claim to have decoded a Trump series of visual signals that yes, indeed, the Moon Landing was faked after all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:54:31pm

Well, that just happened. Mrs. Fish has gotten into a knock-down, drag-out fight with an aunt on the other side of the family, and somehow it got me fired up enough that I made a couple of FB statements. I have a feeling I may regret this in the morning.

530
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:57:09pm

re: #529 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, that just happened. Mrs. Fish has gotten into a knock-down, drag-out fight with an aunt on the other side of the family, and somehow it got me fired up enough that I made a couple of FB statements. I have a feeling I may regret this in the morning.

A lot of that going on.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:57:35pm

Here’s a note for everyone: Macroeconomics is not a zero-sum game. Immigrants, legal or illegal, are not “taking away” money from anyone. We, as a country, are perfectly capable of paying for support structures to improve immigration, take in refugees - as is our Christian obligation - take care of the poor that are already among us, provide proper health care and education for all people in this country, and still be the world’s biggest and most feared military. If you don’t understand how, consider this: Healthy and well-educated people create businesses and get high-paying jobs, which feeds our economy. If your only problem with this is that those jobs should be going to “real Americans” instead of immigrants, take a second to consider exactly how that sounds.

Another thought (yes, I’m on a roll, Mrs. Fish has inspired me): I posted once, a while back, asking about how the Parable of the Good Samaritan would change for you if the Samaritan was replaced with a Muslim. Now, I’m going to put the shoe on the other foot. What if it was a poor Venezuelan or Somalian refugee who was critically injured on the side of the road? Would you pass by on the other side, like the priest or the Levite? Would you be the good Samaritan and take care of your neighbor? What’s the difference between doing this personally, and supporting government initiatives to do the same, or opposing government initiatives that are harmful?

532
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:59:01pm
533
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 6:59:19pm

re: #532 teleskiguy

It’s God’s wrath on Wisconsin for being a shithole Republican state.

534
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:07:24pm

Twitter unsuspended @TheTweetOfGod but scrubbed all His followers.

535
Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:10:17pm

re: #534 teleskiguy

Twitter unsuspended @TheTweetOfGod but scrubbed all His followers.

When I went over there it said I was following. I guess people just need to visit it again.

536
stpaulbear  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:10:38pm

re: #532 teleskiguy

I texted my sister near Appleton WI about an hour ago asking her if she was going to be OK. She wrote that she’d heard that the storm was going to break up a bit before it got to her town, but it sure doesn’t look like it from Nexrad. There’s a tornado warning that’s right in line with her town, but it ends a ways to the west of Appleton. I hope she’ll be OK.

537
Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:10:50pm

re: #534 teleskiguy

538
Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:11:35pm

re: #537 Belafon

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He should have said something about being a jealous God.

539
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:11:36pm

re: #535 Belafon

Why was it suspended?

540
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:12:52pm

re: #539 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Why was it suspended?

Why in the fuck was Vicious Babushka suspended? Twitter hasn’t provided any reason.

541
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:14:35pm

re: #539 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Why was it suspended?

IIRC, there was something mildly inflammatory against Trump that pissed the dudebros at Twitter HQ off.

542
Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:18:12pm

As a former sailor, I am just going to laugh:

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:19:05pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:22:12pm

re: #541 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

IIRC, there was something mildly inflammatory against Trump that pissed the dudebros at Twitter HQ off.

Here’s the corporate board: investor.twitterinc.com

The dudebros of which you speak have to answer to them.

What always frustrates me is that socially loud and concerned people vent their frustration in the wrong places. People are easily led to chasing rabbits, like greyhounds at the track.

Instead, focus on those who really call the shots.

545
Old Liberal  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:24:13pm

re: #533 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s God’s wrath on Wisconsin for being a shithole Republican state.

It is indeed a shithole state. Glad I’m out.

546
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:24:45pm

In addition to “new” Twitter sucking floppy donkey balls it’s made the web client *and* Tweetdeck glitchy as all hell. Masters of Industry my ass.

547
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:25:57pm

re: #543 Belafon

Hey, Indiana GOP: You have literally run your state so far into the ground, it’s nothing but a smoking crater between Chicago and Cincinnati. Your roads are disintegrating, your farmers are now destitute (or sucking on the insurance teat), you have no industry and your brief window of opportunity to be a technology leader has long since closed. And it’s all thanks to the regressive Republican policies and the asshole in the White House known as Mike Pence. Congratulations on being the perfect case study in why conservatism Just Plain Doesn’t Work (tm). Now, kindly go yeet yourselves into the nearest river at the earliest convenience. Sincerely yours, The Dopefish.

548
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:28:16pm

Fuck this.

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549
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:28:25pm
550
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:30:07pm

holy shit that’s a massive thunderstorm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:32:29pm

re: #550 teleskiguy

holy shit that’s a massive thunderstorm

Yeah, that’s what, over 100 miles wide? And the temperature drop in the forecast looks extremely dramatic. Looking forward to cooler climes this upcoming week, though I’ll be in San Antonio and thus still in the heat.

552
i(m)p(each)sos  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:33:16pm

re: #547 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hey! My in-laws live in Indiana! And…

wait, no actually you’re entirely accurate in your description.

553
Dread Pirate  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:33:19pm
554
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:34:01pm

If you buy large jugs of Ragu pasta sauce

555
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:34:19pm

re: #552 i(m)p(each)sos

Hey! My in-laws live in Indiana! And…

wait, no actually you’re entirely accurate in your description.

Yeah, if you didn’t know already, the place I call “fish country”, where my family all live, is central Indiana. My own family’s farm is one of the ones left barren this year because climate change fucked the planting cycle up.

556
teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:35:41pm

re: #554 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I make my own marinara with my Instant Pot. Tastier and way cheaper.

557
stpaulbear  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:36:21pm

re: #545 Old Liberal

It is indeed a shithole state. Glad I’m out.

It used to be one of the most progressive states in the Country. It’s really sad.

558
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:37:12pm

Creationists in government… in India:

‘Humans descended from sages, not monkeys’: BJP MP again rejects Darwin’s theory

BJP MP Satyapal Singh again questioned Darwin’s theory of evolution on Friday, saying human beings are descendants of sages and not monkeys as propounded by the British scientist.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:37:38pm

re: #557 stpaulbear

It used to be one of the most progressive states in the Country. It’s really sad.

I’m curious if it was one of those progressive and white states that decided to stay white.

560
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:38:08pm

re: #557 stpaulbear

It used to be one of the most progressive states in the Country. It’s really sad.

The loss-of-God problem is nowhere more evident than places like Indiana and Iowa, once progressive strongholds, now in the hands of religious people very afraid.

561
i(m)p(each)sos  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:38:19pm

re: #555 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My family is all northeast, and they fight the good (but usually losing) fight against the GOP tide. They had a great House candidate last year in Courtney Tritch, but she got killed. Hope she runs again…she’s young!

562
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:41:28pm

Germany’s major news outlet is not afraid to tell the truth in headlines:

Trump renews racist criticism of Democratic congresswomen

563
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 19, 2019 • 7:41:55pm

re: #561 i(m)p(each)sos

My family is all northeast, and they fight the good (but usually losing) fight against the GOP tide. They had a great House candidate last year in Courtney Tritch, but she got killed. Hope she runs again…she’s young!

I grew up in the northwest, in steel country, with lots of Democratic Catholics and “others” from Chicago. My family has their roots right in the middle, though.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 19, 2019 • 8:16:56pm

re: #543 Belafon

Balanced budgets
✅ Vibrant communities
✅ Good-paying jobs
✅ LOW taxes! #YoungGetsItDone #YDAIND]

Why is the current budget not balanced?

565
John Hughes  Jul 20, 2019 • 6:29:27am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

SPQR. So the Roman Empire is still growing.

All sewer manholes in Rome say SPQR on them. The Rome municipal government considers itself the legitimate continuation of the Roman Republic.


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