Democratic Debate, July 31, 2019

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Seen above, yet another pointless CNN panel.

OK, here we go again. CNN, in their infinite greed, has opted not to make embeddable live video publicly available, so here’s an old-school open thread for the discussion.

I’m already getting cranky, though.

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331 comments

1
Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:17:24pm
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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:29pm

Oh, and Yang, put on a tie, you putz. Or go stand next to Gym Jordan.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:31pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Halperin has given us “Fart Noise”: the tweet. Utterly pointless.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:38pm

There’s two contenders on this stage; Harris and Biden. Get rid of the rest.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:50pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

Halperin has give us “Fart Noise”: the tweet. Utterly pointless.

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:19:44pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really wish he would have stayed away. He’s not a bad guy but he’s tone deaf af.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:20:00pm

Wow, if you didn’t know Tulsi was in the military, you do now! ///

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:20:31pm

re: #8 BeachDem

Wow, if you didn’t know Tulsi was in the military, you do now! ///

HEY!

Did you know Tulsi was in the military?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:21:03pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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And they don’t take that freak’s blue check from him!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:21:12pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:22:56pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I really wish he would have stayed away. He’s not a bad guy but he’s tone deaf af.

Yes but who knows. Maybe if he starts going after drumpf he’ll be a contributor.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:23:15pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Delaney, go eat a donut. That way you can’t talk.

And here’s Yang—foreign policy? $1m a month.
Civil rights? $1m a month.

And what are they yelling at Booker?

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:23:36pm

And we thought last night was a train wreck….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:23:44pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:23:51pm

Dear GD make it stop

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:07pm

Turn Kamala’s mic up.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:34pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

Dear GD make it stop

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Yeah, when I have questions about mental health, a failed cabaret singer is always my go-to expert. Argggh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:42pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

Dear GD make it stop

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I’m waiting for John Waters to cast Marianne in his next flick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:43pm
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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:27:07pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m waiting for John Waters to cast Marianne in his next flick.

Maybe she and Christine “I am not a witch” can play sisters

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:27:09pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:27:43pm

re: #21 BeachDem

Maybe she and Christine “I am not a witch” can play sisters

In a Tarantino flick…

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:28:26pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:29:33pm

Well, Joe Biden actually had the best opening statement of the entire panel.

Maybe he actually will be a full participant this time.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:31:44pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:32:45pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

That’s the look of a woman who is about to serve your testicles to you on a silver platter.

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gwangung  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:33:51pm

re: #27 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s the look of a woman who is about to serve your testicles to you on a silver platter.

Harris has a bit of a mean streak in her.

I like that in a candidate.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:33:53pm

Slinking off to a corner. Not watchi9ng this shit.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:34:22pm

re: #29 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Slinking off to a corner. Not watchi9ng this shit.

That’s what here is for.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:34:54pm

re: #30 Belafon

That’s what here is for.

Cheers. [Raises glass of Maker’s Mark.]

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:34:55pm

I don’t get why every hates Kirsten Gillibrand. I don’t want her as president, but I don’t get the hate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:35:19pm

re: #30 Belafon

That’s what here is for.

Gazackly. Make other people watch for you!

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:35:51pm

Uh oh, Biden said 1,000 dollars and Yang fell off the stage//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:35:56pm

re: #32 BeachDem

I don’t get why every hates Kirsten Gillibrand. I don’t want her as president, but I don’t get the hate.

Forcing Al Franken out prematurely.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:36:03pm

re: #28 gwangung

Harris has a bit of a mean streak in her.

I like that in a candidate.

Honestly, any American politician needs to be able to dish out some heat when the time is appropriate. There is such a thing as righteous outrage, and I don’t want monotonic platitudes when something like 9/11 happens.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:36:32pm

re: #29 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Slinking off to a corner. Not watchi9ng this shit.

I tend to pay almost no attention to D primaries. I know I’m voting D in the general election unless I die between now and then.

I was similarly indifferent to Obama vs. Hillary Clinton back in 2007,8.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:09pm

Well, I kind of missed the article in Mr. Johnson’s last thread, where he specifically cited the statement I later found on-line from the National Cathedral.

I guess that’s what I get for jumping right into comments when I log on; this is not a chat board. My apologies.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:12pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

I tend to pay almost no attention to D primaries. I know I’m voting D in the general election unless I die between now and then.

I was similarly indifferent to Obama vs. Hillary Clinton back in 2007,8.

Yeah, it’s a quintessentially Republican trick to make the dead vote.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:27pm

re: #36 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, any American politician needs to be able to dish out some heat when the time is appropriate. There is such a thing as righteous outrage, and I don’t want monotonic platitudes when something like 9/11 happens.

I don’t want tone-policed pap when something like Donald motherfucking Trump happens.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:30pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, I kind of missed the article in Mr. Johnson’s last thread, where he specifically cited the statement I later found on-line from the National Cathedral.

I guess that’s what I get for jumping right into comments when I log on; this is not a chat board. My apologies.

Anymouse DNRTFA.

[Snicker.]

///

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:43pm
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b.d.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:44pm

re: #29 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Slinking off to a corner. Not watchi9ng this shit.

BUT YOU’RE GOING TO MISS TULSI!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:37:55pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

I don’t want tone-policed pap when something like Donald motherfucking Trump happens.

Winner winner chicken fucking dinner.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:38:12pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

I tend to pay almost no attention to D primaries. I know I’m voting D in the general election unless I die between now and then.

I was similarly indifferent to Obama vs. Hillary Clinton back in 2007,8.

I’ll start paying attention when it’s down to half a dozen. Looking at the polls, it’s really there, but the folks in the low single digits won’t just fuck off for a while yet.

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gwangung  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:38:22pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

I don’t want tone-policed pap when something like Donald motherfucking Trump happens.

A-fucking-men.

(And I’m getting cruder and cruder, the longer the orange shit gibbon is in office….)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:38:35pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Funny how he doesn’t call Trump a dick.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:38:50pm

Lre: #32 BeachDem

I don’t get why every hates Kirsten Gillibrand. I don’t want her as president, but I don’t get the hate.

Franken. I like her too though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:39:30pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, I kind of missed the article in Mr. Johnson’s last thread, where he specifically cited the statement I later found on-line from the National Cathedral.

I guess that’s what I get for jumping right into comments when I log on; this is not a chat board. My apologies.

Well, really, it kinda is.

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:39:42pm

re: #43 b.d.

BUT YOU’RE GOING TO MISS TULSI!

She makes me yell at the TV.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:40:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:40:37pm

re: #28 gwangung

Harris has a bit of a mean streak in her.

I like that in a candidate.

She’s tough. I like her a lot.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:40:57pm

re: #46 gwangung

A-fucking-men.

(And I’m getting cruder and cruder, the longer the orange shit gibbon is in office….)

I honestly think it is impossible to properly describe Trump and the Republicans without sounding like a highly profane drill sergeant. Motherfuckingrepublican needs to become a word.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:41:37pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

I honestly think it is impossible to properly describe Trump and the Republicans without sounding like a highly profane drill sergeant. Motherfuckingrepublican needs to become a word.

Motherfucklican?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:41:54pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

I honestly think it is impossible to properly describe Trump and the Republicans without sounding like a highly profane drill sergeant. Motherfuckingrepublican needs to become a word.

R. Lee Ermey would approve of any properly descriptive speech unleashed upon a Republican.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:42:26pm

re: #31 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cheers. [Raises glass of Maker’s Mark.]

Gekkeikan cooking sake in a coffee mug….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:42:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:43:45pm

From the article Mr. Johnson wrote at the top:

OK, here we go again. CNN, in their infinite greed, has opted not to make embeddable live video publicly available, so here’s an old-school open thread for the discussion.

As I said in the last thread, the Democrats could just do this as a live-stream from multiple sources such as YouTube and PornHub.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:44:02pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

I tend to pay almost no attention to D primaries. I know I’m voting D in the general election unless I die between now and then.

I was similarly indifferent to Obama vs. Hillary Clinton back in 2007,8.

Yep. It’s up to Liz to loose me. Early? Yes. But I think she has the best shot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:44:22pm
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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:45:20pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And that’s just spoken word. His ability to mangle the English language via tweet is unparalleled.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:45:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:45:52pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:46:47pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joking aside, an essential skill for any Democrat is getting their message across and/or getting useful stuff done in the face of a hostile media.

So any Democratic candidate that fails because the media turned the D debates into a circus isn’t ready for prime time.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:46:51pm

re: #43 b.d.

BUT YOU’RE GOING TO MISS TULSI!

Missing Berine as well. Seems like a win/win situation to me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:47:10pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:47:30pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Look. NO FUCKING REPUBLICAN is EVER going to vote for a Democrat. EVER. So fuck them all, every last bloody one, in the bum, WITH A RUSTY FUCKING SPORK. Stand up for what’s right, and let the left and center decide the future of this country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:48:13pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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It’s like l’Esprit d’escalier x 100.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:48:56pm

re: #64 EPR-radar

Joking aside, an essential skill for any Democrat is getting their message across and/or getting useful stuff done in the face of a hostile media.

So any Democratic candidate that fails because the media turned the D debates into a circus isn’t ready for prime time.

Same with the Republican talking points complaint from debate moderators.

They are going to face Republican talking points from both Republican politicians and voters. If they cannot answer them satisfactorily, then they will get trounced.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:49:08pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sorry. I may have gotten a little heated. But I am so tired of people saying we need to be scared of what Republicans think of us. Even I don’t give a shit anymore. I’ve outed myself as a liberal immigrant-lover on Facebook now. If we care about what Trump or Republicans think of our policies, we’re just being crowd-pleasing toadies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:49:12pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Look. NO FUCKING REPUBLICAN is EVER going to vote for a Democrat. EVER. So fuck them all, every last bloody one, in the bum, WITH A RUSTY FUCKING SPORK. Stand up for what’s right, and let the left and center decide the future of this country.

(Looks down bar)
Bartender, gimme one of whatever he’s having. And another one for him, too.

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TedStriker  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:49:50pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Did Bennet really just try to say that Democrats need to worry about how Trump will react to their policies?! WTF. Get the hook.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 1, 2019

(I needed an excuse to use that photo again)

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:50:03pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Hang on, I’m rusting a spork.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:50:38pm

re: #67 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Look. NO FUCKING REPUBLICAN is EVER going to vote for a Democrat. EVER. So fuck them all, every last bloody one, in the bum, WITH A RUSTY FUCKING SPORK. Stand up for what’s right, and let the left and center decide the future of this country.

Here’s an easy way for a D candidate to get a maxed out donation from me this year — shamelessly plagiarize Churchill’s ‘never surrender’ speech and apply it vs. the goddamnrepublicans.

Enough with this centrist appeasement bullshit. It won’t work any better with Republicans than it did with Nazis.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:50:51pm

re: #72 TedStriker

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(I needed an excuse to use that photo again)

Try to keep a 12-string in tune and you’ll have a reason.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:50:51pm

The actress who played Professor Sprout in Harry Potter franchise, professor of herbology, apparently unknowingly rented to drug runners who used her home (which she rented out in the past) for a large scale drug running operation.

Herbology… yeah, it fits.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:51:22pm

re: #72 TedStriker

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(I needed an excuse to use that photo again)

Never an excuse needed. Speaks for me, to me, with me…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:51:28pm

re: #44 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Winner winner chicken fucking dinner.

You damn right. Bring in Gus’s Fried Chicken!
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:51:38pm

Gourmet dinner of chicken ramen tonight. Since I have no access to Democratic Debate, Electric Boogaloo 2, I’ll follow along on y’all doing a live blog of dumb responses (try to put in some good responses if they make any please).

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:53:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:54:30pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:56:32pm

re: #80 jaunte

At this Goldie Taylor: so what?

The GOP has staked its future on racist xenophobia vs. immigrants. That infection needs to be dealt with, and any D that can’t deal with it is also unready for prime time.

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:59:16pm

Biden is fighting like an SOB tonight, a stark difference from last time.

Still not my primary guy by far though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:59:42pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:59:59pm

Tonal Eye Candy.
The Bigsby Bros. Belong to Austin Steel Guitarist Herb S.

Enjoy

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 5:59:59pm

re: #83 b.d.

Biden is fighting like an SOB tonight, a stark difference from last time.

Still not my primary guy by far though.

I prefer Harris to him but I’m glad. He needs to be ready.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:00:20pm

re: #80 jaunte

Consistency is the hobgoblin of media mendacity instead of giving debaters the opportunity to delve into the subject matter.

But it’s not about the answers - it’s about CNN manipulating the conversation to suit their purposes.

And on that front - the DNC and all the candidates should demand that the DNC operate the next debate, and allow the network(s) to broadcast what they want. Let the Democrats control their own forum.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:00:32pm

Wait, what?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:00:33pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sigh. I get their frustration but priorities guys. Biden isn’t in office now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:01:19pm

re: #88 MsJ

Wait, what?

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I really don’t get this guy. Wish OA was here.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:02:27pm

re: #21 BeachDem

Maybe she and Christine “I am not a witch” can play sisters

To be fair to Christine O’Donnell, she said that line because Bill Maher dug up on her that she’d practiced witchcraft as a teenager. She later dumped that, but the “you’re not a Christian” argument was used to devastating effect against her campaign by Republicans.

On September 17, 2010, comedian Bill Maher aired a clip of O’Donnell from the October 29, 1999, episode of his old show Politically Incorrect on his current show Real Time with Bill Maher, in which O’Donnell said, “I dabbled into witchcraft - I never joined a coven. … I hung around people who were doing these things… We went to a movie and then had a little midnight picnic on a satanic altar. And I didn’t know it.” Her admission received widespread media coverage, and O’Donnell explained that she had been referring to high school experiences. O’Donnell followed up with a TV campaign ad for the general election which featured her declaring, “I’m not a witch”.

It was the follow-up ad that really sunk her campaign, because she thought she needed to counter the clip from “Politically Incorrect” Bill Maher played when he interviewed her.

Maher subsequently apologised after the campaign was over in another interview, and O’Donnell accepted it, citing the advert as the cause of the ridicule, not the clip Maher played.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:03:20pm

re: #88 MsJ

He’s a fucking clown, just like Delaney, who tried to put out the 3d degree burn Warren delivered last night with a half assed claim over on Fox today.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:04:09pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Immigration protesters who should be protesting Trump interrupt Joe Biden]

As I understand it, the protestors are protesting the abuse of immigrants. Biden just endorsed ‘cherry-picking’ as an immigration reform tactic.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:04:18pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I really don’t get this guy. Wish OA was here.

He joined the race because his daughter’s friend’s dad lost his job. Period, paragraph. (Not OA, sadly, but spent many years in Ohio. I really miss him more than ever now that Les Wexner’s name is coming up more and more in the Epstein story)

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:05:01pm

Night.

What?

You thought I would actually leave without making a wave?

Disturbed - Sound Of Silence

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:05:49pm

Hopefully, Perez’s next call is that cutoff.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:06:22pm

re: #24 Belafon

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:07:42pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:07:45pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I really don’t get this guy. Wish OA was here.

He’s the Democratic Paul Ryan. Media likes the “serious moderate.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:07:54pm

re: #95 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Night.

What?

You thought I would actually leave without making a wave?

Disturbed - Sound Of Silence

Nice wave!

**waves back**

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:08:13pm

re: #96 Belafon

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Hopefully, Perez’s next call is that cutoff.

I’d cut off at 5—and I say that with sadness about everyone at 2 (except for Gabbard)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:08:16pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:09:32pm

re: #96 Belafon

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Hopefully, Perez’s next call is that cutoff.

Williamson at zero! That’s unpossible!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:09:40pm

re: #31 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cheers. [Raises glass of Maker’s Mark.]

Today is Black Tot Day in the UK.

Rum O’Clock
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:09:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:10:15pm

re: #99 Old Liberal

He’s the Democratic Paul Ryan. Media likes the “serious moderate.”

Nah. Paul Ryan was the “policy wonk.” But yeah the serious moderates bore me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:10:20pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Today is Black Tot Day in the UK.

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[Embedded image]Rum O’Clock

I almost bought some rum tonight, but rum gives me the WORST hangovers. That’s a weekend drink.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:10:55pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Ying: Trump and his overly long overcompensating ties
Yang: No tie.

Yeah, it fits.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:11:09pm

re: #103 b.d.

Williamson at zero! That’s unpossible!

I know. You’d think all the pundits would at least add up to 1.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:11:42pm

re: #109 Belafon

I know. You’d think all the pundits would at least add up to 1.

Hey she’s probably at .7 now!

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:11:52pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Ying: Trump and his overly long overcompensating ties
Yang: No tie.

Yeah, it fits.

Why can’t we just meet in the middle?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:11:56pm

re: #41 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Anymouse DNRTFA.

[Snicker.]

///

My turn for the stupid hat. (That’s usually the case around here for me.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:12:07pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Today is Black Tot Day in the UK.

[Embedded content]

[Embedded image]Rum O’Clock

And me, with no Navy Rum.

Or limes.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:12:08pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Ties are a curse.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:12:48pm

re: #94 BeachDem

He joined the race because his daughter’s friend’s dad lost his job. Period, paragraph. (Not OA, sadly, but spent many years in Ohio. I really miss him more than ever now that Les Wexner’s name is coming up more and more in the Epstein story)

He’s just so bland. I really hate fake blue collar types like him.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:13:25pm

I think Yang is funny and I’m glad he’s interjecting some bold ideas that aren’t connected to crystals, but I think he’s ultimately a Thiel-type guy. And we need that like AI in the head.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:13:47pm

re: #112 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My turn for the stupid hat. (That’s usually the case around here for me.)

At a previous job, we had these hideous green-and-yellow costume glasses we called the “Packer glasses” that it became my honor to bestow, upon the unfortunate individual who broke the nightly build.

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:13:53pm

re: #111 Belafon

Why can’t we just meet in the middle?

That song is ridiculously easy to sing. My teenagers kicked me out of the kitchen earlier and did the dishes themselves because I was singing it. They HAAAATE it.

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:14:14pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Yang is going to buy a lot if ties with his first $1,000 a month check, he’s just waiting.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:14:26pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Ties are a curse.

Hate em.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:15:57pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

I think Yang is funny and I’m glad he’s interjecting some bold ideas that aren’t connected to crystals, but I think he’s ultimately a Thiel-type guy. And we need that like AI in the head.

I’m personally hoping for a second consciousness to wrestle for control of my body.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:16:05pm

re: #98 lawhawk

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:16:20pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

He’s just so bland. I really hate fake blue collar types like him.

I think he and Seth Moulton are twin sons of different mothers. Talked to my Republican brother today (his birthday) and the only thing we agreed on politically is that Seth Moulton (his rep) is an asshole. I told him about seeing Moulton at our convention and letting my better angels prevent me from snarking at him. He (brother) loved that story.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:16:38pm

Woot! Just got a generic replacement power supply for my second 30” Apple Cinema display from eBay and it WORKS.

I’m a two-monitor dude again. Stand back.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:16:47pm

I think it probably works to Biden’s favor to defend Obama’s immigration policy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:17:27pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Woot! Just got a generic replacement power supply for my second 30” Apple Cinema display from eBay and it WORKS.

I’m a two-monitor dude again. Stand back.

Shit’s about to get real, yo.

For serious, though. I’ve grown accustomed to having triple displays at my current job. Now that I’m moving on, I’m wondering how I will deal with the withdrawal.

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Skip Intro  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:17:47pm

Everyone wearing a flag pin starts at -10 with me. Ditch the cheap patriotism; the GOP owns that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:17:58pm

re: #123 BeachDem

I think he and Seth Moulton are twin sons of different mothers. Talked to my Republican brother today (his birthday) and the only thing we agreed on politically is that Seth Moulton (his rep) is an asshole. I told him about seeing Moulton at our convention and letting my better angels prevent me from snarking at him. He (brother) loved that story.

Heh. They just are the most obnoxious guys out there.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:18:12pm

re: #118 BlueGrl21

That song is ridiculously easy to sing. My teenagers kicked me out of the kitchen earlier and did the dishes themselves because I was singing it. They HAAAATE it.

I hate that song. It is the WORST non-Christmas mall song.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:18:21pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:18:39pm

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

Try to keep a 12-string in tune and you’ll have a reason.

I see your 12-string and raise you my hammered dulcimer.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:04pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I see your 12-string and raise you my hammered dulcimer.

Sounds beautiful, for the 15 seconds you can keep it tuned.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:10pm

re: #127 Skip Intro

Everyone wearing a flag pin starts at -10 with me. Ditch the cheap patriotism; the GOP owns that.

I still hate how nearly two decades after 9/11, we still have to pander to that. Isn’t running for office enough?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:20pm

Just back from my nightly stroll to the store… did I miss anything???

[answer: probably not]

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:30pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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My libertarian brother really likes him; the one thing we agree on is that a UBI is a good idea.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:39pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Woot! Just got a generic replacement power supply for my second 30” Apple Cinema display from eBay and it WORKS.

I’m a two-monitor dude again. Stand back.

43”x4K. Go to the next level, man.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:19:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:20:40pm

re: #132 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sounds beautiful, for the 15 seconds you can keep it tuned.

Could be worse. Could be a piano with a wooden frame (so I’ve heard).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:20:45pm

re: #135 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My libertarian brother really likes him; the one thing we agree on is that a UBI is a good idea.

I know a couple libertarians who like UBI too. Shocks me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:20:45pm

re: #126 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Shit’s about to get real, yo.

For serious, though. I’ve grown accustomed to having triple displays at my current job. Now that I’m moving on, I’m wondering how I will deal with the withdrawal.

At work I have to have 3 displays to show all the incoming calls, alerts and statistical reports. Glad I just got a new pair of larger monitors with the new laptop at work. Got tired of doing the Shrinky dink with the old monitors!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:20:55pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I see your 12-string and raise you my hammered dulcimer.

:) bangagong, hammer on.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:21:04pm

CNN website really pushing the high drama headlines for this thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:21:40pm

re: #137 gocart mozart

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What did I read?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:21:46pm

re: #140 Joe Bacon 🌹

At work I have to have 3 displays to show all the incoming calls, alerts and statistical reports. Glad I just got a new pair of larger monitors with the new laptop at work. Got tired of doing the Shrinky dink with the old monitors!

We tried to get dedicated TV monitors to show that stuff in our work area. We decided against it after we saw the volume of incoming problems. It’s better now, but management’s decision still stands eternal.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:21:58pm

re: #137 gocart mozart

The avatar and name of this Tigurion combine to say “I have the smallest dick in my time zone, and that really bothers me.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:21:59pm

You will find immigrants in the IT and engineering departments.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:22:17pm

re: #126 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Shit’s about to get real, yo.

For serious, though. I’ve grown accustomed to having triple displays at my current job. Now that I’m moving on, I’m wondering how I will deal with the withdrawal.

I have two monitors for the first time at my new job.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:22:27pm

re: #142 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

CNN website really pushing the high drama headlines for this thing.

Will somebody please tell CNN to stop the WWE shit?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:22:42pm

re: #146 The Pie Overlord!

You will find immigrants in the IT and engineering departments.

The Indian IT community says “hi”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:23:55pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Indian IT community says “hi”.

Did I mention the offshore AP team?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:24:16pm

re: #146 The Pie Overlord!

You will find immigrants in the IT and engineering departments.

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Castro isn’t going to be the nominee but he should be seriously considered for VP.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:24:25pm

re: #148 Joe Bacon 🌹

Will somebody please tell CNN to stop the WWE shit?

CNN wants eyes on product. The cable ratings from Tuesday shows how well it works, beating easily the literal WWE show on Tuesday.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:24:51pm

re: #146 The Pie Overlord!

Please tell me I’m not seeing what I think I’m seeing.

Is NBC really turning candidate debate quotes into motherfucking tweets?

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:25:09pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Indian IT community says “hi”.

The guy that sits across from me, the 2 guys on either side of him, and the guy next to me are all H1-Bs and I love them dearly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:26:38pm

re: #154 BlueGrl21

The guy that sits across from me, the 2 guys on either side of him, and the guy next to me are all H1-Bs and I love them dearly.

I work with a lot of immigrants too. I love working at a diverse place.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:26:41pm

re: #154 BlueGrl21

The guy that sits across from me, the 2 guys on either side of him, and the guy next to me are all H1-Bs and I love them dearly.

One of my Indian co-workers just got royally screwed, which was unfortunate.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:26:51pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

Please tell me I’m not seeing what I think I’m seeing.

Is NBC really turning candidate debate quotes into motherfucking tweets?

As compared to what everyone else is doing, like when they quoted Warren?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:28:15pm

re: #95 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

That is an excellent rendition of “Sound of Silence,” though not my favourite Disturbed cover. That would be their cover of “Land of Confusion” as an anti-capitalist song.

Disturbed - Land Of Confusion [Official Music Video]

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:28:30pm

I presume they are attacking Harris because she’ got some traction?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:28:55pm

re: #156 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One of my Indian co-workers just got royally screwed, which was unfortunate.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:29:01pm

Kamala ain’t takin’ any of Tulsi’s shit. Nor is she letting Tapper stop her. Go Kamala.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:29:20pm

This I didn’t expect at this debate - Kamala Harris is heavily on the defensive tonight.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:30:51pm

re: #161 BeachDem

Nor is she letting Tapper stop her.

Which silently will register as a plus to viewers.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:31:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:31:11pm

I’d like to hear Kamala say, “Yeah, Tulsi, but you’re a Russian dupe!”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:31:59pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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I like how the far left convinced themselves she’s a dove.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:32:10pm

re: #165 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’d like to hear Kamala say, “Yeah, Tulsi, but you’re a Russian dupe!”

But did you know tulsi was in the military??

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:32:27pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:32:49pm

re: #167 BeachDem

But did you know tulsi was in the military??

Hey, so was Lawrence Harvey in ‘The Manchurian Candidate”

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:34:00pm

Haul out that $1m hammer, Andrew.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:34:07pm

I liked how Biden, when questioned about his criminal justice track record, casually slipped in that “Barack Obama investigated me thoroughly, knew every detail of my past, and he chose me. He said it was the smartest decision he’d ever made.”

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:34:28pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

What did I read?

Runglish.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:34:33pm

Lre: #168 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:34:58pm

CNN just wants kayfabe.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:35:11pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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As much as I hate to admit it, Gabbard’s been pretty well prepared for tonight and she has made a few valid points.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:35:12pm

None of these people will directly address that fact that Trumpers want to be racist, that’s why they like Trump.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:35:37pm

re: #150 The Pie Overlord!

Did I mention the offshore AP team?

One of my customers is bringing AP back from India because they fuck it up badly.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:35:52pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:36:09pm

Mayor Pete seems to be the only candidate that wants to, suggestively, address the loss-of-god problem that is driving the religious right into a Trumpian frenzy.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:36:58pm

Kirsten is doing well with this question.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:37:05pm

re: #178 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:37:54pm

re: #177 MsJ

One of my customers is bringing AP back from India because they fuck it up badly.

AP = Asia Pacific. What does your AP stand for?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:38:17pm

CNN frames climate change as a “UN” threat… which again plays into Trumpian ignorance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:38:31pm

re: #183 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

CNN frames climate change as a “UN” threat… which again plays into Trumpian ignorance.

JFC.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:39:20pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I almost bought some rum tonight, but rum gives me the WORST hangovers. That’s a weekend drink.

I’m a professional. /s

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:39:59pm

re: #182 The Pie Overlord!

AP = Asia Pacific. What does your AP stand for?

Accounts payable. That’s being outsourced to India bigly.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:40:04pm

Paris accord is now flatlined. Once Trump was elected, the political will around the world really decreased.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:40:07pm

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m a professional. /s

I work in IT. I’m pretty sure there’s an allowance for showing up to work on a weekday with a disgusting hangover.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:40:32pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Ying: Trump and his overly long overcompensating ties
Yang: No tie.

Yeah, it fits.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:40:32pm

re: #182 The Pie Overlord!

AP = Asia Pacific. What does your AP stand for?

My guess is Accounts Payable.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:41:23pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Ying: Trump and his overly long overcompensating ties
Yang: No tie.

Yeah, it fits.

There needs to be a bowtie in the bunch.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:41:41pm

Tonight is a whole lot more boring than last night (hard to believe.) I didn’t think I could deal with it without alcohol, so now I’m drunk and cranky and bored, and Yang is going to solve climate change with, you guessed it, $1m a month.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:43:24pm

What I get from tonight (last half only) is that this is the Biden-Harris show with the rest trying to take those two down.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:43:44pm

Where’s Booker.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:44:03pm

re: #127 Skip Intro

Everyone wearing a flag pin starts at -10 with me. Ditch the cheap patriotism; the GOP owns that.

When I was a village trustee, I only wore my Honduran Flag Gold Star Family pin.

Everyone else: US Flag pins.

And I’m the town “flag guy.”

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:47:00pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:47:19pm

re: #171 sagehen

I liked how Biden, when questioned about his criminal justice track record, casually slipped in that “Barack Obama investigated me thoroughly, knew every detail of my past, and he chose me. He said it was the smartest decision he’d ever made.”

Its smart for Biden to invoke Obama every chance he gets the way GOPers invoke Reagan.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:47:46pm

As long as Republicans can run on the climate-change-is-a-UN-plot the GOP will be able to energize their (ignorance loving) base.

The Democrat candidates need desperate to reframe the issue, away from the UN, towards an economic one.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:48:09pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:48:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:48:56pm

re: #135 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My libertarian brother really likes him; the one thing we agree on is that a UBI is a good idea.

My wife the former Libertarian Party member has also come round on UBI. The question now only is how much would be the proper amount. (For example, should it be flat for everyone, or indexed to cost-of-living: It costs a hell of a lot more to live in San Francisco or New York than it does here. Do rich people get it? [yes from me, everyone gets it], &c)

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:49:35pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

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Oh well if it’s upsetting Dreher I call it a win/win.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:49:40pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

More than she marginalizes herself?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:50:03pm

Whoever is the Dem nominee, should expect to literally be knocked to the floor by Trump & held down as his or her head is shaved. That is what the networks want, not some boring policy talk.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:50:58pm

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife the former Libertarian Party member has also come round on UBI. The question now only is how much would be the proper amount. (For example, should it be flat for everyone, or indexed to cost-of-living: It costs a hell of a lot more to live in San Francisco or New York than it does here. Do rich people get it? [yes from me, everyone gets it], &c)

It should be flat for everyone; if it costs a hell of a lot more to live someplace, that’s a place that people who rely on their UBI to survive should move somewhere else.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:51:09pm
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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:52:12pm

Yang, you’re building a coalition of you, yourself and you.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:52:32pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:52:35pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:52:40pm

Well, DUH.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:53:27pm

re: #206 sagehen

It should be flat for everyone; if it costs a hell of a lot more to live someplace, that’s a place that people who rely on their UBI to survive should move somewhere else.

And that is due to bad local housing policy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:53:28pm

Tulsi doesn’t mention that Trump lost the popular vote.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:54:23pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

My go to dude on all things Democratic: Rod fucking Dreher.

Piss off, mate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:54:49pm

re: #211 MsJ

Well, DUH.

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Don’t worry, Rudy, the corrosive action from everyone pissing on your grave will eventually remove that.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:55:07pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:57:11pm

Can we put all the candidates in glass front booths and at the end of their time we can cut their light and mic?

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:57:41pm

re: #212 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And that is due to bad local housing policy.

There’s plenty of room in this country for everyone; but lots of places have no jobs and the UBI would give people who can’t work anyway (or don’t want to) a place to go. Then those places would have to add a grocery store, a coffee shop, a crafting supplies place, an electrician/plumber partnership, an elementary school, etc., spreading economic development across a broader number of places.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:58:05pm

Tulsi and the rest go after Harris’ record as California AG because the laws of California were followed.

It’s easy to say the weed users shouldn’t go to jail, but when the law says it’s a crime, then the AG can’t just blanket overturn the law.

It’s true that AGs have discretion on which crimes to pursue, but if for some reason someone goes to prison because they in fact broke the laws on the books that is hardly a condemnation of an AG.

This subtlety is not easy to sell, especially for single-issue voters.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:58:50pm

Oh fuck, another Tulsi ad followed by a Tom Steyer ad. I am in hell.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 6:59:19pm

re: #154 BlueGrl21

The guy that sits across from me, the 2 guys on either side of him, and the guy next to me are all H1-Bs and I love them dearly.

My wife is not a fan of H1-B visas, but that is from personal experience in software engineering.

She noted after Digital Equipment collapsed and she tried to get another job in her field, job advertisements and such would be exceptionally specific and impossible. After a company ran that a couple months, that gave them an excuse to hire someone on an H1-B visa.

Those visas also really limit what a person working under one can do; they just can’t quit a crappy job and move on to another—they can be deported for that.

Chuck Grassley introduced legislation about a decade ago to curtail such fraud in the programme, but lobbying by the tech industry killed the bill.

During the Obama administration, a case was opened up by the Labor Department to investigate complaints against California Edison. They obtained H1-B visas for technical workers from other countries, then fired five hundred American workers. The Labor Department found no wrongdoing.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:00:02pm

JFC, Dana Bash is now quoting trump in her question. I’m gonna puke

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:00:53pm

re: #219 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Tulsi and the rest go after Harris’ record as California AG because the laws of California were followed.

It’s easy to say the weed users shouldn’t go to jail, but when the law says it’s a crime, then the AG can’t just blanket overturn the law.

It’s true that AGs have discretion on which crimes to pursue, but if for some reason someone goes to prison because they in fact broke the laws on the books that is hardly a condemnation of an AG.

This subtlety is not easy to sell, especially for single-issue voters.

The US criminal justice system is so fucked up that it’s difficult to tell if any of its officials are good cops or bad cops. I have no idea how to evaluate Harris on this point, since it would take time to research this that I simply don’t have.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:01:59pm

The Older Boy is in the kitchen working on dinner. He’s got his earbuds in, listening to Nine Inch Nails and singing along, but with just him, it’s kind of coming out sounding like a lounge singer doing NIN.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:02:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:02:15pm

Bash keeps going for the America-is-under-attack approach, the very belief system that drives Trump’s base.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:02:16pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:02:54pm

Gabbard seems to be getting more than her fair share of speaking time.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:03:36pm

I’m struck by how, even though historians prefer to say ‘history rhymes’, history repeats with Maggie*:

*I want to say that I was never a fan of all of the anti-Maggie stuff online, but as time has passed she’s earned the scorn.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:03:49pm

re: #167 BeachDem

But did you know tulsi was in the military??

But she’s definitely not John McCain’s daughter.

On the other hand, have we ever seen her and Meghan McCain in the same room at the same time? /s

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:04:02pm

re: #228 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Gabbard seems to be getting more than her fair share of speaking time.

She looks good on camera.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:04:41pm

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹🎃

But she’s definitely not John McCain’s daughter.

On the other hand, have we ever seen her and Meghan McCain in the same room at the same time? /s

I guess MM isn’t an Assad apologist. That’s one thing she has going for.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:05:00pm

Dopefish, if you’re here dude. Emailed ya.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:07:02pm

re: #231 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

She looks good on camera.

Hawaii does seem to produce good looking presidential candidates.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:07:56pm

If they don’t cut out at least half of these boobs before the next debate, the Dems will be guilty of Ambien poisoning.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:08:12pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:08:46pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Good for business.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:09:00pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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Or more simply ss/dd

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:09:27pm

In 2015 the first non-Rep. billboards to go up around town (Manchester, NH) were Bernie billboards. This year they are Tulsi billboards.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:09:40pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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Noticing a trend. This all stinks.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:10:24pm

Is everyone else getting the Tulsi commercials or is it a localized buy?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:11:04pm

re: #241 BeachDem

Is everyone else getting the Tulsi commercials or is it a localized buy?

I haven’t seen them.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:11:19pm

re: #241 BeachDem

Is everyone else getting the Tulsi commercials or is it a localized buy?

I stream online via CNN website. Commercials are blacked out.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:12:38pm

re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I haven’t seen them.

Ah—another advantage of living in an early primary state. Last night, two Tulsis, tonight, 1 so far. (and it’s such a lame commercial—mostly shots of her in her uniforms reciting the pledge of allegiance.)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:13:09pm

Biden experiencing the curse of having a very long public record.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:13:36pm

Biden doesn’t seem to really get that he can’t be the old white guy in the 2020 without getting light shown on his entire record.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:15:02pm

re: #244 BeachDem

Ah—another advantage of living in an early primary state. Last night, two Tulsis, tonight, 1 so far. (and it’s such a lame commercial—mostly shots of her in her uniforms reciting the pledge of allegiance.)

Yea, Kentucky’s primary isn’t until May 19, by which time all but a couple of these candidates will be eliminated.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:15:36pm

This is the longest week 2-1/2 hours of my life.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:16:56pm

oh—Tulsi’s a vet—did anyone know that? //

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:17:15pm

re: #244 BeachDem

California is in Super Tuesday too, which given the number of delegates to the convention that California sends, will definitely make a splash.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:17:34pm

re: #248 BeachDem

This is the longest week 2-1/2 hours of my life.

I’m actually enjoying tonight’s more. I tuned out last night as they were going through the minutia of their healthcare proposals.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:20:48pm

re: #196 MsJ

WTF?

While Trump cannot be prosecuted under the UCMJ for undue command influence, that sort of maneuver definitely qualifies. Moreover, it specifically breaks morale.

I have a Navy Achievement Medal. The Navy generally doesn’t hand those out like candy. In the order of precedence of military medals, it is the eighteenth highest award (on my ribbon bar, it is my highest). It can have a combat V if awarded for particular actions in combat.

The idea of revoking such an award is revolting. The Secretary of the Navy is a civilian; Trump can fire him if he doesn’t carry out this abuse. Unfortunately, active duty personnel are prohibited from protesting in writing or calling this decision or asking him to resist Trump (UCMJ—Contempt for Officials). If SecNav said “no,” Trump would just fire him and find someone who would revoke the medals.

I can’t find an instance where someone had a Navy Achievement Medal revoked before. Might have happened, but I can’t find it.

The officers assigned to try that case were not some folks out to “get Trump,” they were following orders by their superiors and applying their training and the UCMJ to the case.

And tons of conservatives will cheer over a person getting off for an alleged war crime, because conservative voters don’t see enemy combatants as people with rights under our laws and international treaties.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:21:32pm

Biden is bad at messaging. He just used “President” in two ways (GWB, Obama) without the needed qualifier.

He should have said Republican GWB lied, and then Obama had to figure out what to do next.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:21:38pm

Awww

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:23:18pm

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife is not a fan of H1-B visas, but that is from personal experience in software engineering.

She noted after Digital Equipment collapsed and she tried to get another job in her field, job advertisements and such would be exceptionally specific and impossible. After a company ran that a couple months, that gave them an excuse to hire someone on an H1-B visa.

Those visas also really limit what a person working under one can do; they just can’t quit a crappy job and move on to another—they can be deported for that.

Chuck Grassley introduced legislation about a decade ago to curtail such fraud in the programme, but lobbying by the tech industry killed the bill.

During the Obama administration, a case was opened up by the Labor Department to investigate complaints against California Edison. They obtained H1-B visas for technical workers from other countries, then fired five hundred American workers. The Labor Department found no wrongdoing.

Our policy is a bit different. Our H1-Bs were all long-term employees in India who requested time in the U.S. for them and their families. We sponsored them. If they ever wanted to go back or had to go back they would have the same jobs. They’re not taking “American jobs.”

I met all of them in India before they ever came here. We know each other’s families, etc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:24:00pm
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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:24:05pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:24:43pm

re: #255 BlueGrl21

Our policy is a bit different. Our H1-Bs were all long-term employees in India who requested time in the U.S. for them and their families. We sponsored them. If they ever wanted to go back or had to go back they would have the same jobs. They’re not taking “American jobs.”

I met all of them in India before they ever came here. We know each other’s families, etc.

Wow, a company that treats employees like people instead of equipment!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:27:03pm

re: #206 sagehen

It should be flat for everyone; if it costs a hell of a lot more to live someplace, that’s a place that people who rely on their UBI to survive should move somewhere else.

That goes back to my wife’s and my discussion. If you work in an industry or field in a very expensive city, moving to Nebraska or Wyoming isn’t going to do a bit for you to get a job (unless you want to do something like chuck a degree in computer science and become a farm hand or railroad worker).

As others have noted here, professionals sleep in cars in San Francisco because it’s so damned expensive.

Forcing people out of San Francisco because they don’t make enough seems like gentrification on steroids to me (but sure a good way to get rid of those undesirable poors).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:27:55pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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She’s Anti American.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:28:00pm

re: #257 Dread Pirate

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Yeah that’s some terrible bullshit right there.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:28:24pm

re: #258 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Wow, a company that treats employees like people instead of equipment!

EEEkkkkk! EbiL Sociacalism!!!!11ty!!!

Well, yeah, that’s kinda the point :D

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:28:41pm

Is this now a three hour special event?

And WWE fans complained when WWE went to three hour shows, but it doesn’t matter because all that matters is selling ad time.

Same thing here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:30:30pm

So the DNC has to get rid of half these folks. I realize the bar gets raised for qualifications in the next debate series, I just hope the bar is high enough.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:31:47pm

JFC—another Tulsi ad—can’t take much more of this shit.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:32:46pm

re: #259 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That goes back to my wife’s and my discussion. If you work in an industry or field in a very expensive city, moving to Nebraska or Wyoming isn’t going to do a bit for you to get a job (unless you want to do something like chuck a degree in computer science and become a farm hand or railroad worker).

As others have noted here, professionals sleep in cars in San Francisco because it’s so damned expensive.

Forcing people out of San Francisco because they don’t make enough seems like gentrification on steroids to me (but sure a good way to get rid of those undesirable poors).

S.F. needs to build more housing. Only millionaires can afford to live there.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:33:31pm

re: #266 NO SMOCKING GUN!

S.F. needs to build more housing. Only millionaires can afford to live there.

You do realize that SF is a completely surrounded incorporation, with water on three sides?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:33:42pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:36:08pm

re: #267 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You do realize that SF is completely surrounded incorpation, with water on three sides?

There are these new fangled inventions called elevators, which enables the building of multi-story apartment buildings so a lot more people can live on a city block.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:37:27pm

re: #269 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There are these new fangled inventions called elevators, which enables the building of multi-story apartment buildings so a lot more people can live on a city block.

Building upwards in SF is very expensive. Mostly due to geology. Additionally, mass transit is also expensive, also due to geology.

Some places on this planet are just area-limited.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:37:41pm

Gillibrand hasn’t been great tonight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:37:50pm

re: #267 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You do realize that SF is a completely surrounded incorporation, with water on three sides?

The whole inner Bay Area is built out, i.e. there’s not really open land available to build on, without getting rid of parks and open space and we absolutely shouldn’t do that.

Now, it needs to be built UP.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:38:10pm

re: #266 NO SMOCKING GUN!

S.F. needs to build more housing. Only millionaires can afford to live there.

The entire Bay Area needs to build more AFFORDABLE housing.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:38:25pm

re: #269 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even here in San Diego, the county of which is quite large compared to counties around the country, has the problem of geology.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:40:10pm
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Cheechako  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:40:14pm

re: #274 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Even here in San Diego, the county of which is quite large compared to counties around the country, has the problem of geology.

Don’t forget, is there enough water for unsustainable growth?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:40:23pm

The bottom line is this: real estate is about competition for living in particularly desirable lat/long on this planet.

Our housing price problems are just the tip of the iceberg on a global problem, of people wanting to all live in tiny spaces.

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:41:07pm

re: #273 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

The entire Bay Area needs to build more AFFORDABLE housing.

I had a dream job open up there for me, couldn’t take it. They’d have had to triple my salary to come close to what I afford in Houston, and my commute would have been atrocious. I have a family to consider.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:41:18pm

Castro speaks well, but Mayor Pete currently owns the nice-guy reins.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:41:49pm

The bulk of the Richmond and Sunset Districts is single family homes, mostly single story over garage, with a smattering of 2-flat buildings, also over garages. Yes, I loved our top-floor flat in the middle Richmond, but if we’re going to have this many people, we need to replace at least some of that with multi-floor apartment blocks.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:44:51pm

All of these candidates talking about climate change… don’t seem to want to speak the truth: global population is now directly leading to destruction that is large even on a geological timeline. The extinction of multicellular life is now quite dramatic.

The real answer is to radically change the global economy to a sustainable one, but that change is too radical politically.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:45:00pm

Joe Biden wrote this shitty op-ed in 1981. I hope his views on dual-income families where mother and father are both professionals have changed. He should be asked about it. And I don’t think “materialism” is a bad thing if people want to better their circumstances.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:45:11pm

It seems S.F. has no problem building skyscrapers. en.m.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:45:27pm

re: #239 Barefoot Grin

In 2015 the first non-Rep. billboards to go up around town (Manchester, NH) were Bernie billboards. This year they are Tulsi billboards.

When we came back from Massachusetts, I-80 was littered with Tulsi billboards. It seemed there was one every five miles for four hundred miles.

I’m hoping she’s spending all her money right away and runs out.

Interestingly, I have seen no political billboards at all here, except for the occasional Trumphumper with something in his or her yard (but even most of those are gone).

Considering how close we are to even in polling about the presidential race when Trump won by +25 here, it would be worthwhile (in my unsolicited opinion) for the Dems to put up some signs here in Trump Country (marca registrada).

If I had the money I’d rent a sign for a candidate (not Tulsi or Bernie or Marianne).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:45:40pm

re: #283 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It seems S.F. has no problem building skyscrapers. en.m.wikipedia.org

If you have the money.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:46:20pm

Harris has a direct closing message. But will it be enough?

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:46:27pm

Kamala’s closing kicked ass.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:47:11pm

re: #279 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Castro speaks well, but Mayor Pete currently owns the nice-guy reins.

I see both as Veep material funnily enough.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:47:11pm

re: #282 The Pie Overlord!

Joe Biden wrote this shitty op-ed in 1981. I hope his views on dual-income families where mother and father are both professionals have changed. He should be asked about it. And I don’t think “materialism” is a bad thing if people want to better their circumstances.

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He was asked about it, and he talked about what he’s done since then.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:48:09pm

re: #287 BeachDem

Kamala’s closing kicked ass.

Kamala-Julian is my ticket now. I think they would be a great team.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:48:55pm

re: #255 BlueGrl21

Our policy is a bit different. Our H1-Bs were all long-term employees in India who requested time in the U.S. for them and their families. We sponsored them. If they ever wanted to go back or had to go back they would have the same jobs. They’re not taking “American jobs.”

I met all of them in India before they ever came here. We know each other’s families, etc.

I didn’t mean to imply or suggest that all companies committed that sort of abuse. There does seem to be quite a bit of it in tech though.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:48:58pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I see both as Veep material funnily enough.

So do I.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:49:35pm

re: #292 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So do I.

Both are bright.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:50:08pm

re: #285 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If you have the money.

Yea, that’s true everywhere. If rich people move into expensive towers, that starts a chain reaction as vacancies open up for each economic level.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:51:28pm

re: #270 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Building upwards in SF is very expensive. Mostly due to geology. Additionally, mass transit is also expensive, also due to geology.

Some places on this planet are just area-limited.

That’s why they built all those buildings on landfill in the Marina District. Didn’t work out so well (also due to geology).

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:51:37pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:52:04pm

re: #286 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Ohhhh Yesss.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:52:23pm

re: #276 Cheechako

Don’t forget, is there enough water for unsustainable growth?

Desalination would make more than enough water.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:52:37pm

re: #282 The Pie Overlord!

Joe Biden wrote this shitty op-ed in 1981. I hope his views on dual-income families where mother and father are both professionals have changed. He should be asked about it. And I don’t think “materialism” is a bad thing if people want to better their circumstances.

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He seems to be talking about limiting the childcare tax credit to lower incomes. In inflation adjusted dollars he’s talking about cutting the credit for people earning above $115,000.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:52:38pm

San Francisco, San Diego, NYC, etc. are all so expensive because people are competing to live there.

More people, more competition. More competition, higher prices.

re: #294 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yea, that’s true everywhere. If rich people move into expensive towers, that starts a chain reaction as vacancies open up for each economic level.

I don’t think it works that way. If it did then Manhattan would be affordable, for certainly no where else are there so many high rise expensive towers.

Look, I’m retired. I worry about hyper-inflation and the cost of living as I grow older. I wish prices were cheaper around here, but I know that the only reason San Diego is so expensive (for property, not so much for some goods like food) is because now over 3.5 million other people want to live here.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:52:58pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

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They just don’t care sigh.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:53:43pm

re: #300 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

San Francisco, San Diego, NYC, etc. are all so expensive because people are competing to live there.

More people, more competition. More competition, higher prices.

I don’t think it works that way. If it did then Manhattan would be affordable, for certainly no where else are there so many high rise expensive towers.

Look, I’m retired. I worry about hyper-inflation and the cost of living as I grow older. I wish prices were cheaper around here, but I know that the only reason San Diego is so expensive (for property, not so much for some goods like food) is because now over 3.5 million other people want to live here.

Yeah, all you assholes move out so I can afford a house!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:56:17pm

So far the only 2020 bumper stickers I have seen in Los Angeles are for Bernie and Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 7:58:31pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’d love to take a bunch of conservatives who spout that nonsense around my area up and down the Oregon, Mormon, or California Trails, to see the grave markers made from wagon wheels or carved in stone of parents or children who died on the Overland Trail to the West. They must have been bad parents or something.

Folks walked from Missouri all the way to Utah, California, or Oregon. They died of measles. Dysentery. Starvation. Bad water. Freezing weather. Blazing heat. Attacks by Natives. Attacks by bandits. In one instance, attacks by Mormons.

And they started on the trail knowing all that might happen. They took that risk for a better life.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:00:10pm

Somebody is swarming the C&L Poll for Tulsi Gabbard

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calochortus  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:00:30pm

re: #298 sagehen

Desalination would make more than enough water.

It’s expensive, energy intensive and there is a significant discharge of brine that affects local ocean chemistry.
There’s also the issue of where you’re going to put all the cars. The roads are packed as it is, and unless the area is dense enough to make mass transit more economically viable, people just won’t be able to use it.

I understand that people want to live here, and I’d be thrilled to see housing prices drop significantly so not just the old (who’ve owned their houses for decades) or the wealthy can live here. I’m just not sure that increased density is going to be the answer unless we radically change how our society structures things.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:01:40pm

Got to have some fun at the new shop.

1900F

Cross post from my FB Friends only post.

To share a couple details. That is 50 kilowatts of electricity. The temperature in there is about 1900F. A dozen pounds of Deox sterling silver, the kind that fiercely resists tarnishing. By the customary math, one could make 500 rings. Some smaller number of heavy bracelets or whatever.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:01:43pm

re: #257 Dread Pirate

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:04:14pm

re: #305 Dread Pirate

Somebody is swarming the C&L Poll for Tulsi Gabbard

These are not real polls; aren’t the responses from self-selected random bots who can vote multiple times ? These polls should be classified as meaningless entertainment with as much honesty as a WWE wrestling match.

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Cheechako  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:08:22pm

After watching tonight’s debate, I thought Gov. Inslee would make an excellent Secretary of State.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:08:52pm

re: #273 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

The entire Bay Area needs to build more AFFORDABLE housing.

There is one problem with the concept of affordable housing.

Capitalism makes it rapidly unaffordable. You can’t really force builders or developers to build X houses for $20,000 each, even if they had the land. They are going to build for whoever pays them the most.

On top of that, people moving into an area (despite what conservatives say about California) drive the price of existing houses up (more buyers, same number of houses).

That would be the same anywhere, it’s just more noticeable there.

If I had three offers on my house (assuming I was selling it), $18,000, $34,000, and $60,000, I’m taking the $60,000.

I’ve then become part of the problem of affordable housing in this area, since the folks who can only afford an $18,000 house were turned away so I could get more money, even though that’s what I paid for it. (And our house is one of the least valuable in town.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:12:56pm

re: #305 Dread Pirate

Somebody is swarming the C&L Poll for Tulsi Gabbard

Booker is ahead at the Kos poll.

Frankly I think tonight’s big winner is Elizabeth.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:16:03pm

re: #312 Joe Bacon 🌹

Booker is ahead at the Kos poll.

Frankly I think tonight’s big winner is Elizabeth.

I get it but among tonights slate who would you say won out??

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:25:50pm

re: #295 sagehen

That’s why they built all those buildings on landfill in the Marina District. Didn’t work out so well (also due to geology).

True, but most of SF is on hills.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:29:00pm

re: #298 sagehen

Desalination would make more than enough water.

Desalination is very energy intensive.

Navy aircraft carriers and submarines use nuclear power plants to drive their desalination plants, and they still sometimes have to implement water rationing on the crew (subs almost always have water rationing).

Kuwait is the only country in the world where 100% of its fresh water is from desalination. Kuwait drives their desalination plants with petroleum.

Almost all commercial desalination projects in the USA have collapsed due to cost. The taxpayers are unwilling to fund such projects (muh taxes, that’s sochulisms).

Ultimately, there’s a water shortage because there’s too many people.

Quoting a water magazine lying around here (Wikipedia):

Desalination costs in 2013 ranged from US$0.45 to $1.00/cubic metre. More than half of the cost comes directly from energy cost, and since energy prices are very volatile, actual costs can vary substantially.

By comparison, I pay about $50 for 3,000 gallons in a month.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:38:53pm


UFO? No. Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon? Maybe.
(Goes to Juanita Jean’s, more at the link):

Republican Congressman Mark Walker of North Carolina is on the House Homeland Security Committee and heads the Republican Party on the Intelligence and Counterterrorism Subcommittee, which kinda makes him spooky to begin with.

Now he wants the Navy to fess up about UAPs, which are UFOs with a new name so people won’t giggle when he talks about being abducted and subject of an anal probe.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:41:11pm

Quoting a water magazine lying around here (Wikipedia):

By comparison, I pay about $50 for 3,000 gallons in a month.

A cubic meter of water is 234 gallons. so about $13 to make 3000 gallons. Most of the cost in water systems is the delivery infrastructure.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:41:40pm

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹🎃

By the way, that guy is entangled in the federal corruption probe of the GOP in North Carolina.

politico.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:50:33pm

re: #317 Dread Pirate

Quoting a water magazine lying around here (Wikipedia):

By comparison, I pay about $50 for 3,000 gallons in a month.

A cubic meter of water is 234 gallons. so about $13 to make 3000 gallons. Most of the cost in water systems is the delivery infrastructure.

Delivery infrastructure is a one-time cost (other than maintenance). Water plant infrastructure (such as a desalination plant, or a well) is also a one-time cost (other than maintenance).

Labour is a cost in a water system regardless of how it works (unless you’re stupid like me and do it for free).

Except when we have stupid people here ripping out curb stops with a front-end loader because they know a guy who will swipe a county front-end loader for a little under the table work, the only costs to our water system are electricity used to run the pumps, and service on the reverse osmosis units in the homes.

That is noteworthy that the conversion shows the cost of the water itself is lower.

In the past, the town used to distribute water to all the homes for no cost (before I moved here). About two years before I got here, the state changed the rules to require all water users to pay something and install water meters (even on farm wells), primarily to keep track of the actual amount of water withdrawn from the Ogallala Aquifer.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:52:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 8:55:35pm

re: #320 teleskiguy

Fake account responds, needs flagging;

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:01:04pm

This is stoopid rad.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:04:28pm

Tomi Lahren “liveblogged” the Democratic debate tonight on Twitter.

I gotta tell ya, that steam of (un)consciousness is really something.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:06:03pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:09:12pm

Demonization of immigrants is nothing new, of course. In fact, Trump’s campaign represents a kind of revival of a time-dishonored American practice.

Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

1882 cartoon opposing the Chinese Exclusion Act.

The act attracted a lot of opposition at the time, some of it from a curious alliance of entrepreneurs and idealists, and there was sustained opposition the entire time it was in force. Interestingly, the radical International Workers of the World were the only major union to oppose the act, calling for its repeal from the time of IWW’s inception in 1905.

Such was the power of xenophobic fear, though, that it was not finally repealed until 1943, at the height of World War II. Even then the quota for Chinese immigrants was pathetically low, just 105 per year. This did not change until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 abolished national quotas altogether.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:12:59pm
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Citizen K  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:13:50pm

So from what I’m getting between here and Twitter is that everyone loves Tulsi now because “KAMALA IS A COP!” won the day, especially since the format meant she couldn’t actually explain shit?

Fun. Fantastic. We’re fucked.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:17:29pm

Doofus Dave, fake historian, fake Christian, real Republican.

Christian Nationalist Claims Constitution Gives Christians More Protection Than Atheists

Dazed and confused: Leading Christian Nationalist David Barton makes the false claim that the U.S. Constitution offers more protection to religious people than non-religious people.

Barton, a leading figure in the Christian Nationalist movement, was commenting on the recent dishonest and disastrous Supreme Court ruling that a 40-foot Christian cross on public land in Maryland does not violate the separation between church and state because it is supposedly a secular symbol.

Barton, ignoring the actual justification for the disappointing ruling, instead asserted that “religious folks” are entitled to “more protection” under the First Amendment than atheists and other non-religious “folks.”

David has also claimed that Jesus opposed the minimum wage and the capital gains tax.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:23:00pm

re: #327 Citizen K

So from what I’m getting between here and Twitter is that everyone loves Tulsi now because “KAMALA IS A COP!” won the day, especially since the format meant she couldn’t actually explain shit?

Fun. Fantastic. We’re fucked.

We’re going to need a friggin’ cop to clean up the criminality of the latest round of conservatism in the government.

The whole “Kamala is a cop” thing seems to stem from a man who was exonerated in a court case after spending thirteen years in prison for carrying a concealed weapon (a knife; California’s three-strike law made that a mandatory life sentence). The Innocence Project was able to show the police accounts were not credible, and the judge in the appeal said the man had proved his innocence to his satisfaction and ordered him released.

Kamala Harris at the time was a DA and appealed the release order, which stretched out for two years. Her argument was the evidence presented did not show he was innocent.

That one case seems to be the entire crux of the “she’s a cop” narrative.

I don’t know enough about California law at the time to make an informed opinion about the case.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 31, 2019 • 9:27:30pm

re: #327 Citizen K

So from what I’m getting between here and Twitter is that everyone loves Tulsi now because “KAMALA IS A COP!” won the day, especially since the format meant she couldn’t actually explain shit?

Fun. Fantastic. We’re fucked.

I suspect the Russians are shifting some support to Williamson but Tulsi remains their left hook.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:16:07am

re: #196 MsJ

Trump can do whatever he likes, obviously.


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