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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:43:34am

Response to a late devolopment in the Hornsby thread:

re: #184 Belafon

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:45:47am

re: #1 Chrysicat

Response to a late devolopment in the Hornsby thread:

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They’re preparing for life after Trump. I’d be happy if the Murdoch boys change how FNC is run though and all the patronizing jackasses find themselves unemployed.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:47:44am
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:47:53am

I thought the Journal got to retain it’s independence? It’s still under the News Corp banner, but it basically gets to operate free of the Fox bullshit brigade?

Also, I’ve been fairly busy this week, so I haven’t got to check in here much… is there a consensus around here about the debate? Besides hoping that there will only be one debate in the next round because two nights in a row is fucking tough?

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:48:44am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we have entire industries whose entire business model is based on access to a large pool of cheap, easily exploited workers, starting with agriculture, food packing & processing, food service, hotel, resort and domestic service, janitorial services, construction, gardening and landscaping…

And amazingly, there’s an entire political party—supported by what may be a majority of the white population and by far too great a percentage even if not the majority—that believes said workers aren’t cheap or easily-exploited enough because the standard of living for an American proletarian is higher than that of a Brazilian one, let alone Chinese or Bangladeshi.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:50:12am

re: #5 Chrysicat

And amazingly, there’s an entire political party—supported by what may be a majority of the white population and by far too great a percentage even if not the majority—that believes said workers aren’t cheap or easily-exploited enough because the standard of living for an American proletarian is higher than that of a Brazilian one, let alone Chinese or Bangladeshi.

It’s that mindset that frustrates the hell out of me. I’m no leftist but we need to value workers as people rather than just fodder for wealthy people.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:50:31am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Senator Butters being as terrible as absolutely possible. I know it’s a long shot, but gawd I’d love to see him lose next November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:50:40am

re: #5 Chrysicat

And amazingly, there’s an entire political party—supported by what may be a majority of the white population and by far too great a percentage even if not the majority—that believes said workers aren’t cheap or easily-exploited enough because the standard of living for an American proletarian is higher than that of a Brazilian one, let alone Chinese or Bangladeshi.

and that unless we also lower our environmental, health and safety standards to those of Brazil, China and Bangladesh, we will not be able to compete with them on the world marketplace

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:54:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:55:45am

I’m increasingly getting a 1920s redux vibe these days, esp. with the growth of tariffs and retaliation.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:55:54am

Dumb fucking luck.

Trump can’t figure out how trade works, so he’s going to double down on the trade war with China by imposing more tariffs that Americans pay:

The Fed may well have to do another rate cut because Trump’s idiotic trade war is slowing growth and harming the economy in ways Trump doesn’t care about (which is all of them).

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:56:19am

Was going to write my thoughts on the debates, but Hank Stuever captured them pretty well:

Having subjected us to two nights of garishly adorned, overproduced, conflict-obsessed live “debates” among a field of 20 Democratic hopefuls (its own delusional gridlock of egos), CNN and the Democratic National Committee summoned the worst aspects of some of TV’s most popular genres and visual tropes.

The overall tone, of course, was cable-news alarmism, but the debates also resembled those celebrity-packed, prime-time game shows that litter the schedule all summer. One also got wafts of the blaring bombast of professional football broadcasts, and, yes, the stage-managed awkwardness of the lesser styles of reality TV…

CNN’s format facilitated a frenetic game of human darts, with questions designed to goad the jabbing. It was a never-ending two-night competition of lightning rounds, in 30- and 15-second rebuttals to one-minute answers…

we were watching CNN make television — pieces and bites and clips of which it can repurpose into more programming fodder, days’ worth of pundit banter, befitting the network that overhyped the event for weeks with name-drawings, a countdown clock and relentless reminders to watch…

washingtonpost.com

My additional thoughts: In addition to breathing life into and way too much post-debate attention to ridiculous people who never should have been on the stage in the first place, it gave fringers opportunity to chip away at actual potential candidates, feeding right into the Republicans’ hands.

Whoever agreed to the CNN format and even more egregiously, set the bar so fucking low that anyone with a heartbeat could make the cut, should really be called out for some horrible decisions.

At least that’s my take—YMMV.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 1, 2019 • 10:57:45am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

They’re preparing for life after Trump. I’d be happy if the Murdoch boys change how FNC is run though and all the patronizing jackasses find themselves unemployed.

James is trying to change; he’s actually smart and at least somewhat in touch with reality.

Lachlan is a hateful, virulent racist freak. Feels comfortable with genocidal tyrants. Dreams of being one himself some day.

The struggle between the two of them will determine which way the Fox Hate Machine swings…

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:00:51am
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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:01:18am

re: #12 BeachDem

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:01:25am

re: #13 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

James is trying to change; he’s actually smart and at least somewhat in touch with reality.

Lachlan is a hateful, virulent racist freak. Feels comfortable with genocidal tyrants. Dreams of being one himself some day.

The struggle between the two of them will determine which way the Fox Hate Machine swings…

Interesting. Which one is older out of curiosity?

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:02:02am

And like that the stock markets have tanked thanks to Trump pushing $300 billion more in tariffs - billions that Americans will be paying right when they’re doing back to school shopping. That’s adding to their bill.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:02:03am

Oh, and remember that climate change debate everyone wants? It will be broadcast on TV.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:03:03am

Just paged this about the worsening farm crisis in Wisconsin.

The small family dairy farmers are the ones who swung the election to Trump. They were desperate, and figured they might as well take a chance, as Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them.

Instead, Trump has made things worse. Now they are crying like babies as their beloved cows are trucked away to the slaughterhouse.

Small farmers have a soul-deep attachment to their land, their families, and their cows. All that is being torn away.

You may say they deserve it for being stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies - but they really weren’t given much of an alternative.

Whoever realistically addresses these people - who I grew up with - will win Wisconsin.

Who wins Wisconsin, wins the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:03:11am

re: #18 Belafon

Oh, and remember that climate change debate everyone wants? It will be broadcast on TV.

Time to shine Inslee. You won’t be Pres but you can be Sec of Int or EPA head.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:03:20am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Interesting. Which one is older out of curiosity?

Lachlan is older and CEO. So expect the racism to continue in full force.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:04:04am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:04:27am

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

Lachlan is older and CEO. So expect the racism to continue in full force.

Was afraid of that.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:04:29am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

It’s that mindset that frustrates the hell out of me. I’m no leftist but we need to value workers as people rather than just fodder for wealthy people.

Apparently some companies have changed “Human Resources” to “Human Capital”. Which, really, just sums up the entire disfunction in American late capitalism.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:05:22am

re: #13 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

James is trying to change; he’s actually smart and at least somewhat in touch with reality.

Lachlan is a hateful, virulent racist freak. Feels comfortable with genocidal tyrants. Dreams of being one himself some day.

The struggle between the two of them will determine which way the Fox Hate Machine swings…

So IOW, there’s a good chance that I’m right and at least today, the WSJ needed to look better to James than to Lachlan. Well, in all honesty, I never did mean that question as a joke.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:06:05am

“A small additional 10% tariff”

A TEN PERCENT TARIFF ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GOODS IS NOT ‘SMALL” , ASSHOLE!

Man, I am so ragey today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:06:49am

…and when the economy tanks, he will blame it on the Fed meddling with interest rates…

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:07:21am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Interesting. Which one is older out of curiosity?

The New York Times has the scoop:

Over the years, Lachlan and James had traded roles, more than once, as heir apparent and jilted son. It was no secret to those close to the family that Murdoch had always favored Lachlan. (“But I love all of my children,” Murdoch would say when people close to him pointed out his clear preference for Lachlan.) But it was James who spent the first decades of the 21st century helping reposition the company for the digital future — exploiting new markets around the world, expanding online offerings, embracing broadband and streaming technology — while his older brother was mostly off running his own businesses in Australia after a bitter split from their father.

When Lachlan finally agreed to return to the United States in 2015, Murdoch gave him and James dueling senior titles: All the company’s divisions would report jointly to them. It was an awkward arrangement, not only because they were both putatively in charge of a single empire. James and Lachlan were very different people, with very different politics, and they were pushing the company toward very different futures: James toward a globalized, multiplatform news-and-entertainment brand that would seem sensible to any attendee of Davos or reader of The Economist; Lachlan toward something that was at once out of the past and increasingly of the moment — an unabashedly nationalist, far-right and hugely profitable political propaganda machine.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:08:16am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:08:29am

re: #24 KGxvi

Apparently some companies have changed “Human Resources” to “Human Capital”. Which, really, just sums up the entire disfunction in American late capitalism.

That’s how it is unfortunately. We need to renovate Capitalism.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:08:53am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s a tariff of 10%.

Another way of saying that is, it’s a 10% tax on imports.
Still another way of saying that is it’s a 10% tax on imports that Americans are paying.
Still another way of saying that is it’s a 10% tax that more than wipes out the supposed benefits of the TCJA that a majority of Americans supposedly received.

So, while the billionaire class can have their money baths with the taxes they saved courtesy of the TCJA, everyone else is going to watch as they pay far more on imported goods from China (because they don’t have alternatives they can buy domestically).

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:09:04am

re: #19 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just paged this about the worsening farm crisis in Wisconsin.

The small family dairy farmers are the ones who swung the election to Trump. They were desperate, and figured they might as well take a chance, as Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them.

Instead, Trump has made things worse. Now they are crying like babies as their beloved cows are trucked away to the slaughterhouse.

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You may say they deserve it for being stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies - but they really weren’t given much of an alternative.

Whoever realistically addresses these people - who I grew up with - will win Wisconsin.

Who wins Wisconsin, wins the White House.

They were given a bad (in their opinion) choice and a worse choose
They chose the worse one
Trump was not something to take a chance on. He proved daily during the campaign you don’t bet your livelihood on him

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:09:10am

re: #19 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just paged this about the worsening farm crisis in Wisconsin.

The small family dairy farmers are the ones who swung the election to Trump. They were desperate, and figured they might as well take a chance, as Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them.

Instead, Trump has made things worse. Now they are crying like babies as their beloved cows are trucked away to the slaughterhouse.

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You may say they deserve it for being stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies - but they really weren’t given much of an alternative.

Whoever realistically addresses these people - who I grew up with - will win Wisconsin.

Who wins Wisconsin, wins the White House.

Of course they were. They just weren’t given the alternative where they’re talked to like children. It’s like the Kentucky miners. Their choice was between reality and Trump.

Personally, I fully support subsidizing farming because it’s kind of a defense resource: If you can’t feed your people on your own, you’re going to be vulnerable. And we throw money at farmers. But the party they chose throws money at farming companies and not farmers. And they Elected Scott Walker. It hasn’t been about their being taken care of. It’s about others being taken care of and I don’t mean in a good way.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:09:45am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

“A small additional 10% tariff”

A TEN PERCENT TARIFF ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GOODS IS NOT ‘SMALL” , ASSHOLE!

Man, I am so ragey today.

It’s like their idiotic idea for a national sales tax. A high sales tax hurts consumers.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:09:56am

re: #25 Chrysicat

So IOW, there’s a good chance that I’m right and at least today, the WSJ needed to look better to James than to Lachlan. Well, in all honesty, I never did mean that question as a joke.

The deciding vote might be the eldest, Elizabeth. She is, unfortunately, something of a robot.

Denied any love or affection by Rupert, she lives in a world of expensive distractions and a real mean streak.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:10:17am
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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:10:27am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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At least China decided to renegotiate before signing
You like to go back on your word after signing

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:10:50am

re: #32 DangerMan

They were given a bad (in their opinion) choice and a worse choose
They chose the worse one
Trump was not something to take a chance on. He proved daily during the campaign you don’t bet your livelihood on him

They chose a guy who knows less about agriculture than I do.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:11:19am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and when the economy tanks, he will blame it on the Fed meddling with interest rates…

Didn’t cut enough….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:11:26am
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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:12:53am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:13:05am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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I like cheese, bacon, avocado, & sauce on my Bilderburger, thanks.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:13:58am

re: #10 Barefoot Grin

I’m increasingly getting a 1920s redux vibe these days, esp. with the growth of tariffs and retaliation.

A crash like Black Thursday would be so much more catastrophic today. Many more people are invested in the stock market, our economy is much more complex, a lot more debt financing on a lot of things.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:14:25am

re: #41 lawhawk

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Fix your own fucking party. If Medicare for all bothers you more than indefinitely detaining kids, pogue me thoin.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:14:27am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I like cheese, bacon, avocado, & sauce on my Bilderburger, thanks.

It’s gotta be kosher, so cut out the cheese and bacon, and replace with lettuce, onion, and throw on some relish for good measure.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:14:46am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I like cheese, bacon, avocado, & sauce on my Bilderburger, thanks.

I want a Double Bilderberger with Onion Rings!

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:14:58am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

“A small additional 10% tariff”

A TEN PERCENT TARIFF ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GOODS IS NOT ‘SMALL” , ASSHOLE!

Man, I am so ragey today.

If it’s that small why bother?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:16:18am

re: #33 Belafon

Of course they were. They just weren’t given the alternative where they’re talked to like children. It’s like the Kentucky miners. Their choice was between reality and Trump.

Personally, I fully support subsidizing farming because it’s kind of a defense resource: If you can’t feed your people on your own, you’re going to be vulnerable. And we throw money at farmers. But the party they chose throws money at farming companies and not farmers. And they Elected Scott Walker. It hasn’t been about their being taken care of. It’s about others being taken care of and I don’t mean in a good way.

It ain’t socilism if it goes to an agribusiness company

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:16:21am

re: #43 KGxvi

A crash like Black Thursday would be so much more catastrophic today. Many more people are invested in the stock market, our economy is much more complex, a lot more debt financing on a lot of things.

I wonder with regret if such an event might be inevitable. I’m really afraid of that being the Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo for radicalisms.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:17:16am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

They chose a guy who knows less about agriculture than I do.

You weren’t available

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:17:25am

re: #31 lawhawk

It’s a tariff of 10%.

Another way of saying that is, it’s a 10% tax on imports.
Still another way of saying that is it’s a 10% tax on imports that Americans are paying.
Still another way of saying that is it’s a 10% tax that more than wipes out the supposed benefits of the TCJA that a majority of Americans supposedly received.

So, while the billionaire class can have their money baths with the taxes they saved courtesy of the TCJA, everyone else is going to watch as they pay far more on imported goods from China (because they don’t have alternatives they can buy domestically).

You’d think at some point those same billionaires would realize that raising costs to consumers (who also happen to be their employees) is going to eventually hurt their bottom lines when consumers can’t buy their goods/services and their sales drop, meaning their stock values drop, meaning they lose money.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:17:27am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:18:00am

Hi.

I’ll save y’all the trouble of my stream-of-consciousness on the last four threads or so with endless comments.

The flash flood watch for our area is now in effect.
forecast.weather.gov

Switching hats from water operator to public information officer, I have to go out to warn the people on my street. The Beerline Canal board notes if we get even a small amount of rain, our houses will be flooded. I live half a block from the canal. A thunderstorm anywhere along the canal will flood my house.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:18:06am

re: #45 lawhawk

It’s gotta be kosher, so cut out the cheese and bacon, and replace with lettuce, onion, and throw on some relish for good measure.

True. But I’m a Kraut who had Schweinshaxe last week. :)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:19:05am

re: #50 DangerMan

You weren’t available

And I never will be!

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:20:51am

re: #51 KGxvi

You’d think at some point those same billionaires would realize that raising costs to consumers (who also happen to be their employees) is going to eventually hurt their bottom lines when consumers can’t buy their goods/services and their sales drop, meaning their stock values drop, meaning they lose money.

They’ll see it as a buying opportunity. They think they’re insulated from market vagaries and fluctuations.
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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:20:56am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I like cheese, bacon, avocado, & sauce on my Bilderburger, thanks.

Bilderberder?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:21:14am

re: #32 DangerMan

They were given a bad (in their opinion) choice and a worse choose
They chose the worse one
Trump was not something to take a chance on. He proved daily during the campaign you don’t bet your livelihood on him

And Hillary Clinton was not a bad choice for dairy farmers. Forty years of a Scafie-funded attack campaign convinced both-siderists not to vote or vote for third parties, or take a chance on a conservative (hint, never take a chance on conservatives - their religion always causes recessions or depressions).

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:21:42am
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:22:12am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I wonder with regret if such an event might be inevitable. I’m really afraid of that being the Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo for radicalisms.

On the bright side, we have a lot of guardrails in place today that we didn’t have in 1929. Like the trading curb/circuit breakers that close trading early if the indexes go up too much or go down too much. There’s still ways the system can fail, as we saw a decade ago, but for something like the Depression to happen, I think everything would have to fail.

And let’s not forget, part of the problem in the US was the mid-west facing a thousand year drought as the economy crashed. It’s not like we have to worry about climate disasters today…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:22:46am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

It’s like their idiotic idea for a national sales tax. A high sales tax hurts consumers.

Yep. So funny to see supposedly anti-tax Republicans getting giddy about slamming China with more Tariffs.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:23:02am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I like cheese, bacon, avocado, & sauce on my Bilderburger, thanks.

I prefer sweet relish or mustard or HP sauce.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:23:43am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Hi.

I’ll save y’all the trouble of my stream-of-consciousness on the last four threads or so with endless comments.

The flash flood watch for our area is now in effect.
forecast.weather.gov

Switching hats from water operator to public information officer, I have to go out to warn the people on my street. The Beerline Canal board notes if we get even a small amount of rain, our houses will be flooded. I live half a block from the canal. A thunderstorm anywhere along the canal will flood my house.

Good luck and stay safe!

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:23:54am
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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:24:12am
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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:24:27am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. So funny to see supposedly anti-tax Republicans getting giddy about slamming China Americans buying Chinese goods with more Tariffs.

The tax is paid by American importers who bring the goods to the US to sell. China isn’t paying the tariffs. We are.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:24:27am
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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:25:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:27:04am

re: #66 lawhawk

The tax is paid by American importers who bring the goods to the US to sell. China isn’t paying the tariffs. We are.

I know that. You know that. I was referencing how Republicans perceive the situation.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:27:09am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. So funny to see supposedly anti-tax Republicans getting giddy about slamming China with more Tariffs.

It’s funny as shit seeing Trumpers post Prager bs about how evil socialism is while supporting the guy giving handouts to farmers to fix his failed farm and tariff policy.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:27:40am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:29:00am

re: #64 gocart mozart

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I am so sick of hearing SHES A COP from people who readily agree we need trials for this shit. She made some difficult decisions as DA and AG. I’m sick of ignorance on law.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:29:48am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:30:45am

re: #73 gocart mozart

Yes! Dark chocolate. My kind of lady.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:31:48am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:32:08am

re: #64 gocart mozart

The Kremlin has identified Kamala Harris as the strongest to challenge Trump; she will bring in huge turnout from 1) woman 2) LGBT 3) Afr-Am/Latinx

It’s the Obama coalition on steroids.

They are determined to torpedo her By Any Means Necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:32:17am

re: #67 gocart mozart

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He was more closer to George Wallace than he wasn’t. This needs to be discussed. Just because he came off as a genteel grandfather type doesn’t change he was a segregationist bigot.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:35:12am
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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:39:05am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. So funny to see supposedly anti-tax Republicans getting giddy about slamming China with more Tariffs.

Not really. There’s been a strong “Mercantilism was sound economics” wing in the Rs since I was in high school, because the assigned mentor my counselor gave me (a senior to my, I think, sophomore) was the president of the Arapahoe High Young Republicans (yes, that one, though as I’ve pointed out on other sites, 14 years before “that event”, quite possibly due entirely to the principal we had (he retired less than a year before the rampage).

These folks think that the Sixteenth Amendment was almost as much a mistake as the Seventeenth, and proudly point out that the US wasn’t a low-tax country [when they aren’t claiming it’s an analog of the EU rather than of Germany, and thus ‘not a country at all’] before 1913, just a country that couldn’t tax individuals directly but only the products being imported. For the majority of them (see “Make Mercantilism Great Again”), the switch from Gross National to Gross Domestic Product as a measure of the economy was a grave mistake and one that needs to be undone, preferably with retroactive adjustments to the statistics compiled in my lifetime. Driving non-1%-of-1% Americans to be unable to purchase a product until a US plant starts producing it again is their goal.

And they figure it’s been a violation of common sense that no one going back before TR agreed with them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:40:23am

re: #79 Chrysicat

Not really. There’s been a strong “Mercantilism was sound economics” wing in the Rs since I was in high school, because the assigned mentor my counselor gave me (a senior to my, I think, sophomore) was the president of the Arapahoe High Young Republicans (yes, that one, though as I’ve pointed out on other sites, 14 years before “that event”, quite possibly due entirely to the principal we had (he retired less than a year before the rampage).

These folks think that the Sixteenth Amendment was almost as much a mistake as the Seventeenth, and proudly point out that the US wasn’t a low-tax country [when they aren’t claiming it’s an analog of the EU rather than of Germany, and thus ‘not a country at all’] before 1913, just a country that couldn’t tax individuals directly but only the products being imported. For the majority of them (see “Make Mercantilism Great Again”, the switch from Gross National to Gross Domestic Product as a measure of the economy was a grave mistake and one that needs to be undone, preferably with retroactive adjustments to the statistics compiled in my lifetime. Driving non-1%-of-1% Americans to be unable to purchase a product until a US plant starts producing it again is their goal.

And they figure it’s been a violation of common sense that no one going back before TR agreed with them.

Oh yes I’ve seen that 1913 meme. So stupid.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:41:04am

The photo literally made my mouth water.

I am hunger now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:42:35am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

“luciferian doctrines”

It’s like something from conspiracy theorist Mad Libs.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:43:52am

re: #79 Chrysicat

Not really. There’s been a strong “Mercantilism was sound economics” wing in the Rs since I was in high school, because the assigned mentor my counselor gave me (a senior to my, I think, sophomore) was the president of the Arapahoe High Young Republicans (yes, that one, though as I’ve pointed out on other sites, 14 years before “that event”, quite possibly due entirely to the principal we had (he retired less than a year before the rampage).

These folks think that the Sixteenth Amendment was almost as much a mistake as the Seventeenth, and proudly point out that the US wasn’t a low-tax country [when they aren’t claiming it’s an analog of the EU rather than of Germany, and thus ‘not a country at all’] before 1913, just a country that couldn’t tax individuals directly but only the products being imported. For the majority of them (see “Make Mercantilism Great Again”), the switch from Gross National to Gross Domestic Product as a measure of the economy was a grave mistake and one that needs to be undone, preferably with retroactive adjustments to the statistics compiled in my lifetime. Driving non-1%-of-1% Americans to be unable to purchase a product until a US plant starts producing it again is their goal.

And they figure it’s been a violation of common sense that no one going back before TR agreed with them.

I ran into a few of the legal world equivalents of these types in my Federalist Society days. I remember more than a few people arguing that the 17th Amendment should be repealed… my former con law professor used to argue that “States qua States” should matter. And was very much in the fight to restore the Lochner-era. As if a pre-industrial constitutional frame work would actually work for a post-industrial society.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:44:05am

If the tax rate was slightly higher and every person and company paid what they are supposed be paying, we’d have a lot more money for things we didn’t have before.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:45:54am

Russia touted the call for hours before Trumpworld acknowledged that it happened.

Guess it delved into more than just Siberian wildfires.

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b.d.  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:51:16am

re: #85 lawhawk

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Russia touted the call for hours before Trumpworld acknowledged that it happened.

Guess it delved into more than just Siberian wildfires.

I bet Trump didn’t chastise Putin for not raking his forest.

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Chrysicat  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:51:54am
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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:53:25am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 11:57:32am

re: #88 gocart mozart

I might be tempted to “accidentally” spill a drink in his lap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:02:01pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

The photo literally made my mouth water.

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I am hunger now.

I happen to have all those ingredients on hand. Just might make this for supper tonight

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:02:36pm
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:02:48pm

re: #88 gocart mozart

Granted, I’m a “wear flip flops on a plane” sort of guy… but this definitely justifies taking off shoes and socks, trimming toe nails, and eating canned tuna.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:03:05pm

Star Trek - Liar Paradox

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:04:04pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

I might be tempted to “accidentally” spill a drink in his lap.

Llamar un amigo en Espanol

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:05:24pm

re: #63 KGxvi

Good luck and stay safe!

Thanks.

She responded to a now-deleted tweet:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:05:38pm
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CleverToad  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:07:35pm

re: #19 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The small family dairy farmers are the ones who swung the election to Trump. They were desperate, and figured they might as well take a chance, as Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them.

You may say they deserve it for being stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies - but they really weren’t given much of an alternative.

Whoever realistically addresses these people - who I grew up with - will win Wisconsin.

Who wins Wisconsin, wins the White House.

Yes, it’s heartbreaking to watch the family farms and the small farmers go under in Wisconsin, and in Minnesota where some of my mother’s people are still trying to eke out a living on a couple of the old family farms.

But…
How do you think the Dem candidates and party should address them, realistically and effectively? If they are starting from your stated position that “Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them” what actions or statements will change that perception?

Will they make voting decisions based on reality and practical considerations or on emotional factors? Will they recognize that the Dems are trying to work to improve conditions for 99% of Americans, including them? Do they expect the parties/candidates to put their concerns above other sections of the population? If they vote for Republicans again out of Fox-fueled resentment that they aren’t being catered to, then yes, very sadly I expect them to see the same results.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:08:47pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Thanks.

She responded to a now-deleted tweet:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:15:15pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:15:59pm

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I prefer sweet relish or mustard or HP sauce.

Big thumb up for HP sauce! Dad was introduced to it by a British naval officer during World War 2. One taste and Dad took a lifelong love to it!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:18:56pm

Gabbard’s repetition of this stupid strawman is definitive proof of her pro-Russian sympathies. It may even suggest direct control, since an experienced American propagandist would probably regard it as too simplistic and obvious.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:20:14pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pelosi is a good leader. We won’t fully appreciate her until she’s retired.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:20:56pm

meanwhile in Alaska:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:21:35pm

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gabbard’s repetition of this stupid strawman is definitive proof of her pro-Russian sympathies. It may even suggest direct control, since an experienced American propagandist would probably regard it as too simplistic and obvious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:22:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:25:48pm
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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:27:41pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Or Delaney trying to deal with the third grade burns sustained after Warren dealt with him in the first night of the debate by going on Fox to complain that Warren doesn’t have a plan and wont debate on the issues.

Ummm… it’s clear Delaney didn’t go and check out that Warren has a plan for pretty much everything.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:29:00pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Or Delaney trying to deal with the third grade burns sustained after Warren dealt with him in the first night of the debate by going on Fox to complain that Warren doesn’t have a plan and wont debate on the issues.

Ummm… it’s clear Delaney didn’t go and check out that Warren has a plan for pretty much everything.

Did you expect to hear anything else from such a CEO pimp as Delaney. His wealth depends on corporate beancounters denying insurance claims!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:29:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:31:01pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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Correct

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:31:30pm

I actually think Yang could have a place in a future administration but not as Potus.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:41:17pm

I’ve been expecting this. Trump can further solidify his Base by issuing executive orders to NASA to confess the Moon Landing hoax and to NOAA to finally admit the Earth is flat.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:43:50pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Because they’ve stopped planes from flying? This is even dumber than the usual bag of hammers nonsense.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:44:42pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve been expecting this. Trump can further solidify his Base by issuing executive orders to NASA to confess the Moon Landing hoax and to NOAA to finally admit the Earth is flat.

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Wut

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:47:43pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

When people defend Gabbard and Greenwald for going on Fox News and say, “What do you have against reaching out to the other side?” I’m just like, “Come on. Nobody can possibly be that naïve, can they?”

But they are.

well steyer is spending a lot of money to put ads on fox hoping some of those people will pay attention

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:48:17pm

I will say it again, the GOP has not primary to deal with, they can devote all their efforts and energies to ratfucking, meddling and generally trivializing the Democratic primaries.

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William Lewis  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:52:09pm

re: #19 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I grew up raising Beef on a farm in Eau Claire County.

They’ve been voting Republican for decades. They don’t give a shit about anything but money for them a (diary price supports, etc) and cutting taxes (and programs) for everyone else. They chose to continue to vote Republican even as the FitzWalker regime gutted the state and continue to vote Republican for a racist & economically incompetent pig because they spend all day listening to Fox and Rush in their tractors and barns so they “know” Killery hates America and couldn’t run the Government.

Many of them are decent people and, no, not all of them vote GOP like that. My uncle was a Democratic voting dairy farmer but when his daughter married a black man the hate came out and I guarantee there was much more of that driving the GOP success than there was actual Economic thought involved.

They made their beds. Let them fucking lie in it as they enjoy their minimum wage hell they helped us stay in.

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b.d.  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:52:50pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve been expecting this. Trump can further solidify his Base by issuing executive orders to NASA to confess the Moon Landing hoax and to NOAA to finally admit the Earth is flat.

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IF TRUMP ENDED CHEMTRAILS THEN HOW COME GIRLS STILL WON’T TALK TO ME AND WIENER IS STILL SMALL?

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Teddy's Person  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:53:12pm

re: #86 b.d.

I bet Trump didn’t chastise Putin for not raking his forest.

Must be my mood today. But that sounds a bit naughty.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:53:16pm

Pelosi defending Cummings and Baltimore against Trump’s attacks

“The president without — and this comes as no surprise — really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But maybe he could ask his son-in-law, who’s a slumlord.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:53:51pm

re: #120 DangerMan

Pelosi defending Cummings and Baltimore against Trump’s attacks

She’s good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:55:45pm

re: #119 Teddy’s Person

Must be my mood today. But that sounds a bit naughty.

I thought the same.

:P

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:55:54pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

If John Tanton put that seal in his will, UM might not be able to unseal them.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:57:51pm

re: #100 Joe Bacon 🌹

Big thumb up for HP sauce! Dad was introduced to it by a British naval officer during World War 2. One taste and Dad took a lifelong love to it!

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I love the HP brown sauce. Fortunately, Tesco carries it here in Czech Republic, and if they’re out of stock, Marks & Spencer also carries their own store brand (which is excellent, btw).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:58:48pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

I love the HP brown sauce. Fortunately, Tesco carries it here in Czech Republic, and if they’re out of stock, Marks & Spencer also carries their own store brand (which is excellent, btw).

It can be found in Germany as well, hope it is still available after October 31

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 12:59:50pm

Here we go.

Weather radio just went off: Severe thunderstorm watch for Goshen and Laramie Counties in Wyoming, and Nebraska Panhandle counties until 7:51 PM Mythical Time. (7:51?)

Tornado siren just went off, but that was a test. Let’s hope we don’t hear it again.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:00:10pm

oh dear

There are ‘Nazis’ in Congress, says former Republican leader John Boehner

“We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest”, Mr Boehner said. “We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis”.

BUT

“I do not believe that he [Trump] is a racist. I do not believe that he is a white supremacist,” Mr Boehner told POLITICO Magazine. “He has clearly done some things to lead people who never liked him to say those things about him.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:01:23pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

I love the HP brown sauce. Fortunately, Tesco carries it here in Czech Republic, and if they’re out of stock, Marks & Spencer also carries their own store brand (which is excellent, btw).

I cannot buy it locally. I’ve asked every store and the butcher shop here, their distributors do not carry it.

The only place I can get it (outside of on-line) is at the Commissary at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne. (I can also get Vernor’s there.)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:01:42pm

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It can be found in Germany as well, hope it is still available after October 31

One thing I miss from Germany is Hela’s Curry Gewürz Ketchup, the “delikat”. Tesco used to carry it here, but they discontinued it a couple of years back.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:01:49pm

re: #127 DangerMan

oh dear

There are ‘Nazis’ in Congress, says former Republican leader John Boehner

BUT

Yawn Boehner. Go back to hawking pot.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:02:24pm

re: #100 Joe Bacon 🌹

Big thumb up for HP sauce! Dad was introduced to it by a British naval officer during World War 2. One taste and Dad took a lifelong love to it!

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I was introduced to it in the US Navy on my first Med Cruise.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:02:39pm

re: #127 DangerMan

oh dear

There are ‘Nazis’ in Congress, says former Republican leader John Boehner

BUT

Boehner’s name has been popping up lately. Is he trying to make a political comeback or is he over indulging in his lobbying efforts?

edited for grammar

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:10:32pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I cannot buy it locally. I’ve asked every store and the butcher shop here, their distributors do not carry it.

The only place I can get it (outside of on-line) is at the Commissary at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne. (I can also get Vernor’s there.)

4 liters, amazon. ;-)

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Sea Mexican  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:11:40pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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Want to see naiveté? Take the people actually defending the outgoing PR governor.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:14:21pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Or Delaney trying to deal with the third grade burns sustained after Warren dealt with him in the first night of the debate by going on Fox to complain that Warren doesn’t have a plan and wont debate on the issues.

Ummm… it’s clear Delaney didn’t go and check out that Warren has a plan for pretty much everything.

Speaking of Delaney—prep time…(bold mine)

John Delaney, a businessman and former U.S. congressman from Maryland, sat at the kitchen table aboard his team bus and laid out his game plan: Go after someone more famous than himself. For Delaney, who had been in the race longer than anyone but whose poll numbers were only slightly better than yours or mine, the road to recognition went through Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.)…

Delaney would become part of a viral moment onstage: a crisp counterpunch by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.)…Pow! And the Twitter crowd goes wild! Still, Delaney’s team considered the night a success. Screen time is screen time.

washingtonpost.com

Arrggh

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:14:22pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Alaska:

An interesting conundrum which we also face where I live regarding petitions:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

re: #135 BeachDem

Speaking of Delaney—prep time…(bold mine)

John Delaney, a businessman and former U.S. congressman from Maryland, sat at the kitchen table aboard his team bus and laid out his game plan: Go after someone more famous than himself. For Delaney, who had been in the race longer than anyone but whose poll numbers were only slightly better than yours or mine, the road to recognition went through Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.)…

Delaney would become part of a viral moment onstage: a crisp counterpunch by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.)…Pow! And the Twitter crowd goes wild! Still, Delaney’s team considered the night a success. Screen time is screen time.

washingtonpost.com

Arrggh

My mom is more economics wise moderate than me and she found herself on Warrens side. She doesn’t think M4A is the solution but finds Delaneys who schtick exhausting.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:18:41pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Or Delaney trying to deal with the third grade burns sustained after Warren dealt with him in the first night of the debate by going on Fox to complain that Warren doesn’t have a plan and wont debate on the issues.

Ummm… it’s clear Delaney didn’t go and check out that Warren has a plan for pretty much everything.

Including driving a stake through his campaign. It’s terminal, he just doesn’t know it yet.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:18:56pm

Time to call it a day; have fun, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:19:59pm

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Including driving a stake through his campaign. It’s terminal, he just doesn’t know it yet.

Dude it was always terminal. Right now the vultures are eating it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:22:59pm

I only knew Delaney for one reason only. He was my SiL’s Rep and she had to know that to prepare for her citizenship.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:27:33pm

re: #133 DangerMan

4 liters, amazon. ;-)

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Wow! I could put that on everything! Pancakes, cereal, tamales, pizza, soup, potato chips, poutine, mixer for booze, &c

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:28:44pm

ABC News deleted a Tweet of Trump saying he doesn’t know what he’d do if the crowd starts a “Send Her Back!” chant tonight.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:30:53pm

Oh here it is

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:31:35pm

re: #143 The Pie Overlord!

Well, whatever that tweet was, it didn’t last long, Ms. Babushka-Overlord.

(Is Babushka your maiden name now? /s)

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:32:04pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I only knew Delaney for one reason only. He was my SiL’s Rep and she had to know that to prepare for her citizenship.

He’s been running for more than two years (announced July 28, 2017), I’ve met him 3 times and I still find it hard to even remember his name.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:33:19pm

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

Narrator: He’s not going to stop the chants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:33:48pm

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

Pres. Trump on whether he’d try to stop any chants from supporters of “send them back” at rally in Ohio: “I don’t know that you can stop people…We’ll see what we can do. I’d prefer that they don’t. But if they do it, we’ll have to make a decision then.”

He certainly had people prompting it last time, this time it will be “spontaneous”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:39:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:40:26pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:43:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:43:33pm

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

Oh here it is

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Yet they threw my hometowns delegate out. You’re just a racist prick whose base are out of control with hate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:44:19pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

“Non-tax paying?” Why would someone make something up like that (well, antisemitism, but why taxes)?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:44:26pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:45:19pm

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

Oh here it is

Pres. Trump on whether he’d try to stop any chants from supporters of “send them back” at rally in Ohio: “I don’t know that you can stop people…We’ll see what we can do. I’d prefer that they don’t. But if they do it, we’ll have to make a decision then.”

what ‘decision’ is there to be made? you denounce it or you dont
what you dont do is shrug and say ‘nothing i can do’ with a smirk on your face

i can think of a dozen things a smart, clever and honest president could do and/or say to a crowd in such a situation

you must not be smart, clever or honest

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:45:20pm

I may have to do a live video thread for Trump’s hate rally tonight. There’s a very real possibility it could be the craziest yet.

I keep hoping he’ll have a genuine meltdown at one of these and just lose it completely. Start shouting nonsense words, fall on the floor and flop around like a fish.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:45:35pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Yet they threw my hometowns delegate out. You’re just a racist prick whose base are out of control with hate.

If he can’t control a small rally where he has security, he’s certainly not qualified to control a whole country. Be nice if the stenographers in the press asked him about that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:45:43pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

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God damnit. May as well ask the Fox with hen feathers how the other foxes got in.

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:47:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:48:04pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If he can’t control a small rally where he has security, he’s certainly not qualified to control a whole country. Be nice if the stenographers in the press asked him about that.

He’d just call it a stupid question and go to the FNC reporter asking him why he’s so wonderful but yeah at least hold him to task.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:48:09pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

I may have to do a live video thread for Trump’s hate rally tonight. There’s a very real possibility it could be the craziest yet.

I keep hoping he’ll have a genuine meltdown at one of these and just lose it completely. Start shouting nonsense words, fall on the floor and flop around like a fish.

If he has a stroke or heart attack on stage, the Q-Anon/deep state/Clinton body count/flat earthers/9-11 truthers/birthers/religious nutbars/&c are all going to go over the deep end.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:48:38pm

re: #159 jaunte

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He’s the biggest coward ever to be President. No one comes even close.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:49:02pm
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:49:39pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

I may have to do a live video thread for Trump’s hate rally tonight. There’s a very real possibility it could be the craziest yet.

I keep hoping he’ll have a genuine meltdown at one of these and just lose it completely. Start shouting nonsense words, fall on the floor and flop around like a fish.

I feel like this is really the only way this whole shitshow can end.

Either that or he just walks out of the Oval Office one day and says “and I call it… the Aristocrats!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:49:45pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If he has a stroke or heart attack on stage, the Q-Anon/deep state/Clinton body count/flat earthers/9-11 truthers/birthers/religious nutbars/&c are all going to go over the deep end.

May he live to see his life’s work undone or some proverb by someone more wise than me.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:50:01pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

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the anti- semitic idiocy, well i got nothing for that

a hundred miles or so from brooklyn (assumes) to monticello

i used to commute 72 miles one way to work
where do these people think “go back to” is?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:50:29pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

God damnit. May as well ask the Fox with hen feathers how the other foxes got in.

So many political norms which people thought were either enshrined in law or protected by respect for institutions have been shown not to be so.

The Democrats are going to have all the full plates trying to straighten all this out.

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:51:10pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

May he live to see his life’s work undone or some proverb by someone more wise than me.

Someone would have to find it first.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:51:37pm

re: #150 Dread Pirate

CREW Sues For John Kelly HHS Contacts After Joining Caliburn - CREW
The public has a right to know whether John Kelly used his position in government to advocate for his financial interests tied to the zero tolerance policy.

i’ll save you looking
- yes, kelly used his position in government to advocate for his financial interests
- AG Barr couldnt be reached to not comment

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:52:31pm

re: #168 jaunte

Someone would have to find it first.

Yeah, he kind of undid his life’s work all on his own.

Wasn’t there a meme years ago about how if he’d just invested all his wealth with Warren Buffet or in an index fund, he’d be like three times richer than he claims to be?

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:52:35pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Non-tax paying?” Why would someone make something up like that (well, antisemitism, but why taxes)?

dont look for logic in this

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:53:43pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If he can’t control a small rally where he has security, he’s certainly not qualified to control a whole country. Be nice if the stenographers in the press asked him about that.

that’s where i was going..

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:54:42pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If he can’t control a small rally where he has security, he’s certainly not qualified to control a whole country. Be nice if the stenographers in the press asked him about that.

He can’t even control his own damn mouth and what vomits out of it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:55:01pm

re: #170 KGxvi

Yeah, he kind of undid his life’s work all on his own.

Wasn’t there a meme years ago about how if he’d just invested all his wealth with Warren Buffet or in an index fund, he’d be like three times richer than he claims to be?

Yeah I guess that curse works better for McConnell.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:55:15pm

re: #164 KGxvi

I feel like this is really the only way this whole shitshow can end.

Either that or he just walks out of the Oval Office one day and says “and I call it… the Aristocrats!”

many updings
well played

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:55:43pm

re: #173 MsJ

He can’t even control his own damn mouth and what vomits out of it.

It’s a Stream of Consciousness on meth that would make Joyce crazy.

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:56:26pm

Our current national curse is something along the lines of

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:57:05pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The only place I can get it (outside of on-line) is at the Commissary at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne. (I can also get Vernor’s there.)

Vernors is running their special promotion of the Lighthouses of Michigan series on 12 oz. cans…

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Teddy's Person  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:57:32pm

re: #155 DangerMan

what ‘decision’ is there to be made? you denounce it or you dont
what you dont do is shrug and say ‘nothing i can do’ with a smirk on your face

i can think of a dozen things a smart, clever and honest president could do and/or say to a crowd in such a situation

you must not be smart, clever or honest

It’s not hard. Some guy did it once with just three words: Don’t Boo, Vote.

The problem is that Donny wants them screaming racist shit, he needs them screaming racist shit. He basks in it like the crowd is giving him a standing ovation.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:57:35pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:57:37pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Non-tax paying?” Why would someone make something up like that (well, antisemitism, but why taxes)?

Goes back to the trope of Jewish people being cheap, greedy and money obsessed. Hence the notion they’d arrange their finances in such a way as to NOT have to pay taxes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:57:47pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

The guy’s full face is visible throughout the video, and the town in question is not very large.

I imagine the Internet will do it’s thing, followed by “If you’re a Nazi and you’re fired, it’s your fault!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:58:53pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Is he…

Is he threatening Europe here?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:59:41pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

I may have to do a live video thread for Trump’s hate rally tonight. There’s a very real possibility it could be the craziest yet.

I keep hoping he’ll have a genuine meltdown at one of these and just lose it completely. Start shouting nonsense words, fall on the floor and flop around like a fish.

Then a deacon puts a silk cape over him and helps him offstage like the Godfather.

JAMES BROWN “Please, Please, Please”

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 1:59:49pm

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s his “release undocumented immigrants into sanctuary cities” move.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:00:28pm
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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:03:18pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Sorry, Donald, Europe doesn’t want the GOP any more than we do.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:04:06pm

re: #179 Teddy’s Person

It’s not hard. Some guy did it once with just three words: Don’t Boo, Vote.

The problem is that Donny wants them screaming racist shit, he needs them screaming racist shit. He basks in it like the crowd is giving him a standing ovation.

exacto
hence the smirk
he’s not fooling anybody (well except his marks)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:05:19pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

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Goddamn just arrest him already.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:05:45pm

Son Of Watergate?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:05:46pm

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

Is he…

Is he threatening Europe here?

That’s how I took it. Putinist pig.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:07:04pm

re: #190 Joe Bacon 🌹

Son Of Watergate?

[Embedded content]

I have no idea but we are fortunate none of his Congressional critics have been hurt. That’s inspite of President Streicher.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:07:19pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Goes back to the trope of Jewish people being cheap, greedy and money obsessed. Hence the notion they’d arrange their finances in such a way as to NOT have to pay taxes.

which like i said was about 100 miles from brooklyn

what taxes? what services?
what are they getting that they’re not paying for?
did they drive there for the free wi-fi?

not that all anti-semitism isnt idiocy anyway….

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:07:47pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The guy’s full face is visible throughout the video, and the town in question is not very large.

I imagine the Internet will do it’s thing, followed by “If you’re a Nazi and you’re fired, it’s your fault!”

in the thread i read it was monticello new york

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:08:18pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Putinist pig.

Trump on the phone with Putin July 31.
Trump announces tariffs, depresses stock market Aug. 1.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:08:58pm

Our NATO Allies were helping in Afghanistan while Trump was creeping on underaged models. Fuck him for how he treats our allies.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:09:01pm

re: #185 jaunte

It’s his “release undocumented immigrants into sanctuary cities” move.

we have thousands of isis fighters?
really? where?

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:09:55pm

re: #197 DangerMan

He makes stuff up.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:10:43pm

re: #195 jaunte

Trump on the phone with Putin July 31.
Trump announces tariffs, depresses stock market Aug. 1.

It’s curious for sure.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:13:10pm

re: #198 jaunte

He makes stuff up.

no way!

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Teddy's Person  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:15:03pm

re: #197 DangerMan

we have thousands of isis fighters?
really? where?

Future Trump Tweet: Many people are saying that there Taking up space rent free in you’re FAVORITE president’s beautiful Mind. Believe me. In two weeks, You’ll understand. BIG burly men come up to Me crying and say, “SIR, we’re grateful your large cranium can contain the ISIS.”

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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:16:43pm

I wonder if she’ll even show up at the UN to do her job. She was a no-show most of the time in Canada.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:19:02pm

re: #127 DangerMan

oh dear

There are ‘Nazis’ in Congress, says former Republican leader John Boehner

BUT

This is old news from a 2017 article.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:21:47pm

re: #202 Dread Pirate

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I wonder if she’ll even show up at the UN to do her job. She was a no-show most of the time in Canada.

There are a few ambassadorships that feel like they can’t be much more than ceremonial at this point. Canada and the UK feel like they’d be at the top of the list. Direct lines of communication between heads of government and all that.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:22:11pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

This is old news from a 2017 article.

you are right of course
i dont recall what site i got the link that pointed me to it
it sure seemed topical to the article i was reading an hour ago that led me to it

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:22:34pm

Off-topic: Thunderstorms moving slowly now in the counties to my west (Banner and Scott’s Bluff). Some are starting to move into my county.

wunderground.com

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:23:46pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Off-topic: Thunderstorms moving slowly now in the counties to my west (Banner and Scott’s Bluff). Some are starting to move into my county.

wunderground.com

Do you have your lance and donkey?

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:24:49pm
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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:28:17pm

re: #208 Belafon

My beautiful BFF son (8yo) was told to go home “because he is an illegal immigrant” on the soccer field at CMU (by another 8yo)…..I’m ill

eight year olds have to be carefully taught

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:26pm

I fucking hate what Trump is doing to this country.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:33pm

This is pretty cool: A teenager from Ireland figured out how to use a magnetic fluid to remove 87% of microplastics from water: dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:34pm

re: #208 Belafon

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This is what Trump has created for our country.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:47pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

I fucking hate what Trump is doing to this country.

I fucking hate Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:54pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

I fucking hate what Trump is doing to this country.

Same

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Mescalero09  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:30:59pm
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:31:19pm

re: #209 DangerMan

eight year olds have to be carefully taught

He definitely learned that at home. Both he and the parents/coaches would probably learn from getting punched in the mouth

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Teddy's Person  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:31:19pm
MSNBC anchor Steve Kornacki reported “at this very moment Donald Trump’s own aides are on edge. They [sic] concerned about what might happen tonight in Cincinnati. This is Donald Trump’s first campaign rally since Greenville, North Carolina, where the crowd infamous erupted in those chants of ‘send her back,’ to no objection from the president.”

It’s going to happen, no maybe or might about it. And the West Wing Brain Trust concerned aids will be shocked that there’s racism going on at a Trump rally.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:31:32pm

re: #207 Belafon

Do you have your lance and donkey?

I might need an ark.

These storms are moving very slow (hence flooding rains).

Folks have been warned here about the irrigation canal now, and the need to watch for rapidly rising water on our street.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:32:02pm

re: #211 Belafon

This is pretty cool: A teenager from Ireland figured out how to use a magnetic fluid to remove 87% of microplastics from water: dailykos.com

Plus, I learned about ferrofluids.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:32:34pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

This is what Trump has created for our country.

It’s always been there. We are just much more aware of it because social media allows us to see personal level racism and because the president as “moral leader” has signaled that it is ok.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:34:22pm

re: #220 KGxvi

It’s always been there. We are just much more aware of it because social media allows us to see personal level racism and because the president as “moral leader” has signaled that it is ok.

True. It’s more acceptable now because the President believes it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:35:15pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

True. It’s more acceptable now because the President believes it.

And the media normalizes it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:36:34pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

And the media normalizes it.

Yep every interview with a white supremacist whose bigotry was just reduced to “alternate opinions”. Every false equivalency between anti fascists and real fascists.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:37:40pm

re: #219 Belafon

Plus, I learned about ferrofluids.

My wife had to clean her previous husband off from ferrofluid. He got it in his hair, in his clothes, the carpets, and even the ceiling. (She was out of the house when he did that.)

He’d read on-line that Goop would take it off, so that made it worse.

Cleaning it off properly meant she then had a magnetic clog in her drains that was a pain to get out.

The guy is quite smart, but does stupid crap. She says she never did find out where he got the stuff or why he was using it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:40:56pm

JFC

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Dread Pirate  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:41:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:42:46pm

re: #225 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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He would have been on the Nazi side in the Warsaw Uprising. Still a racist chode.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:43:13pm

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:44:06pm

re: #228 DangerMan

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Sums it up.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:44:36pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Yep every interview with a white supremacist whose bigotry was just reduced to “alternate opinions”. Every false equivalency between anti fascists and real fascists.

“The Nazi next door is just like you.”

Readers Accuse Us of Normalizing a Nazi Sympathizer; We Respond (New York Times, November 26, 2017)

TL;DR version: We weren’t normalising him, the readers are overreacting. Nevertheless, we’ll try and do better.

Now back to the Trump Whisperer, Maggie Haberman on why our readers suck.

(In the over two thousand comments on that piece, conservatives swarmed the comment section to claim “no he’s not a Nazi” or “why do liberals want to stifle free speech.”)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:45:35pm

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“The Nazi next door is just like you.”

Readers Accuse Us of Normalizing a Nazi Sympathizer; We Respond (New York Times, November 26, 2017)

TL;DR version: We weren’t normalising him, the readers are overreacting. Nevertheless, we’ll try and do better.

Now back to the Trump Whisperer, Maggie Haberman on why our readers suck.

(In the over two thousand comments on that piece, conservatives swarmed the comment section to claim “no he’s not a Nazi” or “why do liberals want to stifle free speech.”)

Yep. The Times bears a lot of responsibility for their fluff pieces on these fuckwads.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:48:49pm
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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:50:42pm

re: #232 The Pie Overlord!

Important thread about the delegitimization left wing Jews face from their right wing brethren.

the no true jewish scotsman fallacy

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:51:05pm

JFC

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:51:57pm

yeah, he really said this

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:52:32pm

re: #234 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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A bunch of rage filled babies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:52:45pm

re: #235 DangerMan

yeah, he really said this

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Idiot.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:52:59pm

Thunderstorm warnings going up to my west and north now. All storms moving very slowly and dumping large amounts of rain.

Fortunately the North Platte River has gone down a bit since a couple weeks ago, but not enough for the irrigation canal in town to drain out into the river.

The canal board closed the gates to prevent rising water from coming into town via the river, but that will trap any rain which falls over the canal (no real good options here).

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:53:21pm

re: #235 DangerMan

yeah, he really said this

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We’re means Donald, Ivanka, Jared, Jr., and Eric.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:56:24pm

re: #234 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

“It’s an opinion” has been the latest go-to excuse by conservatives for Trump’s racism, since calling Democrats the real racists, or calling people who call out racism isn’t working.

Racism is not an opinion (such as the claim of NPR a couple days ago). While a person may hold racist attitudes or thoughts, if they don’t act on those no one is going to care.

Racism is a description of actions, not a moral judgement.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:57:58pm

JFC

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:58:00pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:58:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:59:02pm

re: #241 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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He had nothing to do with that. You can thank the man your cousin Josh wanted to punch for exposing your Uncle Mitt as an empty suit but you don’t do that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 2:59:42pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

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They hated him because they thought he would lose.

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:00:17pm

True

Democrats Aren’t Addressing the Biggest Challenge We Face

Washington Monthly

Pete Buttigieg: [This is] the conversation that we have been having for the last 20 years. Of course we need to get money out of politics, but when I propose the actual structural democratic reforms that might make a difference — end the electoral college, amend the Constitution if necessary to clear up Citizens United, have D.C. actually be a state, and depoliticize the Supreme Court with structural reform — people look at me funny, as if this country was incapable of structural reform.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:02:38pm

re: #246 retired cynic

True

Democrats Aren’t Addressing the Biggest Challenge We Face

Washington Monthly

Before I read it, I’m going to guess: Climate change? Systemic racism? Income inequality?

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:03:14pm

re: #239 Belafon

We’re means Donald, Ivanka, Jared, Jr., and Eric.

my trump to human translator is on the blink

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:04:13pm

re: #247 Belafon

The state of politics that means that Dems can’t pass anything to speak of, because of the structural blockades that have been set up.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:04:30pm

re: #246 retired cynic

True

Democrats Aren’t Addressing the Biggest Challenge We Face

Washington Monthly

I was wrong, but:

end the electoral college - Discussed
amend the Constitution if necessary to clear up Citizens United - Discussed
have D.C. actually be a state - Discussed
depoliticize the Supreme Court with structural reform - Discussed adding more justices.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:05:54pm

re: #250 Belafon

I was wrong, but:

end the electoral college - Discussed
amend the Constitution if necessary to clear up Citizens United - Discussed
have D.C. actually be a state - Discussed
depoliticize the Supreme Court with structural reform - Discussed adding more justices.

I think a lot of people aren’t actually paying attention to what the Dems are actually saying and doing. I’m seeing a lot of imo short sighted memes about Pelosi.

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:06:01pm

Today in Unsurprising News.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:06:03pm

Be right back. Going to inspect the canal, then park my car next to my back porch. (It’s parked now on the street that will flood if we get any significant rain or rain up in the Sandhills).

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:06:15pm

re: #241 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

Ahead of @realDonaldTrump’s rally in Ohio, let’s look at the results:
Nearly 20,000 manufacturing jobs created.
Unemployment dropped to 4%.
Nearly 150,000 people lifted off food stamps.
Let’s keep that progress going!

is that net? iow, how many other manufacturing jobs lost?
unemployment dropped to 4% from wow, 4.7 when he took office, so wow!
‘lifted off’ food stamps or dropped on their asses with callous disregard?

you are a ass

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:07:19pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

There was a time when the GOP establishment hated Donald Trump. They then realized they could use a man like this—unprincipled, transactional, shameless—to push their agenda. McConnell and McCarthy are giddy about Trump. Conservatives in Congress are the ones privately horrified.

if conservatives in congress really were conservative they wouldnt be private about it

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:08:41pm

re: #254 DangerMan

is that net? iow, how many other manufacturing jobs lost?
unemployment dropped to 4% from wow, 4.7 when he took office, so wow!
‘lifted off’ food stamps or dropped on their asses with callous disregard?

you are a ass

She’s never going to give the guy credit her family feels denied them what they saw as their birthright- the WH. Romney’s are basically Trumps who don’t swear.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:08:43pm

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“The Nazi next door is just like you.”

Readers Accuse Us of Normalizing a Nazi Sympathizer; We Respond (New York Times, November 26, 2017)

TL;DR version: We weren’t normalising him, the readers are overreacting. Nevertheless, we’ll try and do better.

Now back to the Trump Whisperer, Maggie Haberman on why our readers suck.

(In the over two thousand comments on that piece, conservatives swarmed the comment section to claim “no he’s not a Nazi” or “why do liberals want to stifle free speech.”)

The Screw York Times can lie all they want but they ALWAYS bend over backwards when it comes to the Alt-Right with the “both sides do it” shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:08:53pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“It’s an opinion” has been the latest go-to excuse by conservatives for Trump’s racism, since calling Democrats the real racists, or calling people who call out racism isn’t working.

Racism is not an opinion (such as the claim of NPR a couple days ago). While a person may hold racist attitudes or thoughts, if they don’t act on those no one is going to care.

Racism is a description of actions, not a moral judgement.

If they hold the attitudes but remain silent, no one will know. But if they do speak these views and their speech incites others to act, then they have, in fact, acted. Speech can be just as toxic as behavior. People do care about the views their acquaintances or friends have.

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rhuarc  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:09:13pm

re: #252 jaunte

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Today in Unsurprising News.

JFC. We now have terrorist leaders doing intros at Trump rallys. When will the fucking media wake up and start confronting this ever growing threat!

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:10:26pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Be right back. Going to inspect the canal, then park my car next to my back porch. (It’s parked now on the street that will flood if we get any significant rain or rain up in the Sandhills).

I can see that little thing getting washed down the street in a heartbeat. Be safe!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:10:44pm

re: #259 rhuarc

JFC. We now have terrorist leaders doing intros at Trump rallys. When will the fucking media wake up and start confronting this ever growing threat!

When they realize Trump is a threat to their own existence.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:11:21pm

re: #254 DangerMan

is that net? iow, how many other manufacturing jobs lost?
unemployment dropped to 4% from wow, 4.7 when he took office, so wow!
‘lifted off’ food stamps or dropped on their asses with callous disregard?

you are a ass

The amazing thing about this presidency is that if it was anyone else and the indicators were what they are, the president would be a heavy favorite to win. Hell, the indicators would probably be stronger because we’d be in the TPP and wouldn’t be in trade wars.

Yet Trump’s approval ratings are terrible and he is incredibly vulnerable because he’s a callous, know-nothing, misogynistic, racist bigot who can’t help but step on his own tiny dick.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:11:26pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

When they realize Trump is a threat to their own existence.

On a positive note…republicans keep retiring. So that is a plus!

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:12:34pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Be right back. Going to inspect the canal, then park my car next to my back porch. (It’s parked now on the street that will flood if we get any significant rain or rain up in the Sandhills).

be sure to lash it to a hitching post
it’s not much heavier than a big boned horse

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:12:49pm

re: #263 MsJ

On a positive note…republicans keep retiring. So that is a plus!

Yes.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:13:43pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

She’s never going to give the guy credit her family feels denied them what they saw as their birthright- the WH. Romney’s are basically Trumps who don’t swear (in microphone range).

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:14:49pm

re: #263 MsJ

On a positive note…republicans keep retiring. So that is a plus!

retirements are usually a pretty good leading indicator, especially in the House.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:14:52pm

re: #263 MsJ

On a positive note…republicans keep retiring. So that is a plus!

dailykos.com

Having run out of “Dems in disarray” stories for the moment, Politico has one that will ring a lot better in your ears: “Republicans rattled.” Republicans in the House have been retiring at a furious clip the past few weeks, “but some Republicans fear the worst is yet to come.” They “have decided to call it quits instead of sticking around to see whether the party wins back power in 2020,” says Politico. Or maybe in their heart of hearts they see what their party has become and can’t stomach it anymore? Probably not, but at any rate it’s a trend to cherish. We’re at six retirements and counting, with even Republicans knowing there are more coming, and probably a rash of them while members are back home for the August recess.

“Will there be more retirements? Most certainly there will be, for a range of reasons,” said one of the rats slinking off the ship, Rep. Paul Mitchell of Michigan. Everyone’s buzzing about who’s going to be next. This is Politico’s list of likely retirees: “Hal Rogers of Kentucky, Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin and Don Young of Alaska; moderates, like Fred Upton of Michigan and Greg Walden of Oregon; lawmakers facing tougher races, like Texans Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant, and Ann Wagner of Missouri; and the two members under indictment, Duncan Hunter of California and Chris Collins of New York.” Like being under indictment is a badge of shame for a Republican.

What no Republican is willing to go on the record to say is that the problem is Trump. There are “few rewards,” one anonymous House Republican says, for serving under Trump. The “already hostile political environment” is made worse by him every day when “there is some indefensible tweet or comment to defend or explain. It is exhausting and often embarrassing.” The specific problem of his sexism is only going to be worse for them as the Republican conference is drained of women. They already only have 13 in their conference, and two of them have called it quits.

And that new ActBlue counter fundraising service? It seems the GOP is trying to force every campaign to use it, which not only competes against an existing service, but seems to be a way to funnel money from campaigns to certain people.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:14:58pm

re: #262 KGxvi

The amazing thing about this presidency is that if it was anyone else and the indicators were what they are, the president would be a heavy favorite to win. Hell, the indicators would probably be stronger because we’d be in the TPP and wouldn’t be in trade wars.

Yet Trump’s approval ratings are terrible and he is incredibly vulnerable because he’s a callous, know-nothing, misogynistic, racist bigot who can’t help but step on his own tiny dick.

thank goodness for small favors?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:15:47pm

re: #266 DangerMan

Haha true. I bet Ann was cursing a storm when Mitt lost. Mitt imo more than any Republican nominee led the direct path to Trump and he tries to gaslight by acting like he’s got this conscience.

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:15:48pm

we’re off for pizza
pepperoni

more later

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Citizen K  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:15:50pm

So basically after last night, all I see anywhere is basically crucifying Kamala Harris on the basis of the same “COPMALA!!” bulshit and Gabbard’s attacks, to the point of people outright saying they’d rather have Gabbard than Harris.

NOt just twitter bots too but people I know and are actually ostensibly lefty most times.

This shit is why I’ve just plain given out on trying to do any outreach in my sphere: it’s all screaming into the void and seeing everyone around me adopt the same right-wing frames anyway and nothing ever getting fucking better.

EDIT: Typo

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:16:19pm

re: #267 KGxvi

retirements are usually a pretty good leading indicator, especially in the House.

Should be interesting to see what happens in the Senate.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:17:07pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

He was more closer to George Wallace than he wasn’t. This needs to be discussed. Just because he came off as a genteel grandfather type doesn’t change he was a segregationist bigot.

When he said “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the party left me”… civil rights is what he was talking about.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:17:26pm

re: #272 Citizen K

So basically after last night, all I see anywhere is basically crucifying Kamala Harris on the basis of the same “COPMALA!!” bulshit and Gabbard’s attacks, to the point of people outright saying they’d rather have Gabbard than Harris.

NOt just twitter bots too but people I know and are actually ostensibly lefty most times.

This shit is why I’ve just plain given out on trying to do any outreach in my sphere: it’s all screaming into the void and seeing everyone around me adopt the same right-wing frames anyway and nothing ever getting fucking better.

EDIT: Typo

“Go after Trump, but we don’t want a prosecutor!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:18:06pm

re: #272 Citizen K

So basically after tonight, all I see anywhere is basically crucifying Kamala Harris on the basis of the same “COPMALA!!” bulshit and Gabbard’s attacks, to the point of people outright saying they’d rather have Gabbard than Harris.

NOt just twitter bots too but people I know and are actually ostensibly lefty most times.

This shit is why I’ve just plain given out on trying to do any outreach in my sphere: it’s all screaming into the void and seeing everyone around me adopt the same right-wing frames anyway and nothing ever getting fucking better.

I’m seeing some people I know call her a cop and I’m thinking “ Dude you like Bill Weld.” But being a prosecutor is okay if you’re a white guy who becomes a libertarian in his 70’s.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:19:24pm

re: #274 sagehen

When he said “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the party left me”… civil rights is what he was talking about.

Yep. He liked to claim it was economics but both JFK and Adlai Stevenson were to the center on economics then HST and FDR. Ronnie was nothing but a racist with a smile.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:19:51pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Should be interesting to see what happens in the Senate.

We already know there are three Republican retirements in the Senate - Roberts in Kansas, Alexander in Tennessee, and Enzi in Wyoming. On the Democratic side, Udall in New Mexico is retiring. I’ve seen some rumors that Collins might decide to call it a career since everyone seems to be so mean to her now. But otherwise, I doubt we will see many more in the Senate.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:20:30pm

re: #278 KGxvi

We already know there are three Republican retirements in the Senate - Roberts in Kansas, Alexander in Tennessee, and Enzi in Wyoming. On the Democratic side, Udall in New Mexico is retiring. I’ve seen some rumors that Collins might decide to call it a career since everyone seems to be so mean to her now. But otherwise, I doubt we will see many more in the Senate.

Right. Didn’t know Udall was retiring. Wonder who runs for that seat.

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William Lewis  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:21:16pm

re: #217 Teddy’s Person

It’s going to happen, no maybe or might about it. And the West Wing Brain Trust concerned aids will be shocked that there’s racism going on at a Trump rally.

What they’re scared of is knowing they have no control over it and they don’t want the optics getting even worse to the “soccer moms” who are abandoning him in droves.

That, not already Republican farmers, is what won him Wisconsin - women who believed the lies that he was better than Hillary and are seeing daily that he isn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:21:52pm

re: #275 Belafon

“Go after Trump, but we don’t want a prosecutor!”

That just stumps me but a lot of Twitter/FB lefties frankly are idiots.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:22:09pm
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Citizen K  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:22:20pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I’m seeing some people I know call her a cop and I’m thinking “ Dude you like Bill Weld.” But being a prosecutor is okay if you’re a white guy who becomes a libertarian in his 70’s.

I’m just exhausted by it all, and how even the left side of things in this country just seems so hard wired to reflexively believe and adopt any right-wing frame and utterance. Not even 24 hours and it’s basically gospel that Kamala Harris is a authortarian anti-black super-monster, and Tulsi should be the new “progressive” darling. Just….fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:22:28pm

re: #280 William Lewis

What they’re scared of is knowing they have no control over it and they don’t want the optics getting even worse to the “soccer moms” who are abandoning him in droves.

That, not already Republican farmers, is what won him Wisconsin - women who believed the lies that he was better than Hillary and are seeing daily that he isn’t.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:22:58pm

re: #283 Citizen K

I’m just exhausted by it all, and how even the left side of things in this country just seems so hard wired to reflexively believe and adopt any right-wing frame and utterance. Not even 24 hours and it’s basically gospel that Kamala Harris is a authortarian anti-black super-monster, and Tulsi should be the new “progressive” darling. Just….fuck.

Because part of the left is as idiotic and uneducated as the right I’m sad to say.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:23:14pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Right. Didn’t know Udall was retiring. Wonder who runs for that seat.

Per wikipedia, two declared candidates from both parties… possible speculation on others (including Susana Martinez).

For the Dems:
Ben Ray Luján, U.S. Representative
Maggie Toulouse Oliver, Secretary of State of New Mexico

For the GOP:
Gavin Clarkson, former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and Economic Development at the Bureau of Indian Affairs,
Mick Rich, businessman and nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2018

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:23:25pm

re: #272 Citizen K

So basically after last night, all I see anywhere is basically crucifying Kamala Harris on the basis of the same “COPMALA!!” bulshit and Gabbard’s attacks, to the point of people outright saying they’d rather have Gabbard than Harris.

NOt just twitter bots too but people I know and are actually ostensibly lefty most times.

This shit is why I’ve just plain given out on trying to do any outreach in my sphere: it’s all screaming into the void and seeing everyone around me adopt the same right-wing frames anyway and nothing ever getting fucking better.

EDIT: Typo

These are the same type of people who demonized Hillary and either voted for Jill or Trump. They are probably Berniacs and as deplorable as any Trumpster.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:24:23pm

This choad asked for evidence and so I provided it and I was imediately blocked.

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Cheechako  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:24:40pm

re: #268 Belafon
Don Young (R-AK) has already announced he is running next year. I can’t remember how many terms he’s had….23 or 24?

Already building his war-chest.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:24:48pm

re: #280 William Lewis

What they’re scared of is knowing they have no control over it and they don’t want the optics getting even worse to the “soccer moms” who are abandoning him in droves.

That, not already Republican farmers, is what won him Wisconsin - women who believed the lies that he was better than Hillary and are seeing daily that he isn’t.

What won him Wisconsin was widespread voter disenfranchisement.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:24:56pm

Lre: #286 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, two declared candidates from both parties… possible speculation on others (including Susana Martinez).

For the Dems:
Ben Ray Luján, U.S. Representative
Maggie Toulouse Oliver, Secretary of State of New Mexico

For the GOP:
Gavin Clarkson, former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and Economic Development at the Bureau of Indian Affairs,
Mick Rich, businessman and nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2018

Looks fresh for a retain. Hard to believe that and he’ll my own state went for W.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:25:14pm

Sorry if this sorry but innocent pupper has previously appeared here:

He properly gives the ‘I am innocent’ yawn.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:25:30pm

re: #268 Belafon

dailykos.com
What no Republican is willing to go on the record to say is that the problem is Trump. There are “few rewards,” one anonymous House Republican says, for serving under Trump. The “already hostile political environment” is made worse by him every day when “there is some indefensible tweet or comment to defend or explain.

You fuckers made it hostile. Fuck you. Fuck your party. GOOD.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:25:49pm

re: #289 Cheechako

Don Young (R-AK) has already announced he is running next year. I can’t remember how many terms he’s had….23 or 24?

Already building his war-chest.

I think he’s the longest tenured member of Congress. But Republicans hate Washington insiders.//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:26:45pm

re: #293 MsJ

You fuckers made it hostile. Fuck you. Fuck your party. GOOD.

They made it hostile by encouraging birtherism and questioning the patriotism of Bushs critics.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:28:09pm

re: #293 MsJ

You fuckers made it hostile. Fuck you. Fuck your party. GOOD.

Unfortunately they will be replaced by true believers like Matt Gaetz, unless we can turn these offices blue.

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Citizen K  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:29:12pm

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

What won him Wisconsin was widespread voter disenfranchisement.

And only likely to get worse as the Wisconsin lege is set to further their legislative coup in the state.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:29:16pm

re: #286 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, two declared candidates from both parties… possible speculation on others (including Susana Martinez).

For the Dems:
Ben Ray Luján, U.S. Representative
Maggie Toulouse Oliver, Secretary of State of New Mexico

For the GOP:
Gavin Clarkson, former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and Economic Development at the Bureau of Indian Affairs,
Mick Rich, businessman and nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2018

If Susana Martinez is on the GOP offerings, pickings are slim. Hell, Pearce may go for it.

Maggie’s better than Ben, to my limited knowledge of the Dems on offer..

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:29:43pm

re: #288 gocart mozart

This choad asked for evidence and so I provided it and I was imediately blocked.

[Embedded content]

Allow me to RT all of those on your behalf. :D

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DangerMan  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:30:20pm

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

What won him Wisconsin was widespread voter disenfranchisement.

“Using data released by the federal Election Assistance Commission in June, a new Brennan Center analysis has found that between 2016 and 2018, counties with a history of voter discrimination have continued purging people from the rolls at much higher rates than other counties.”

“At least 17 million voters were purged nationwide between 2016 and 2018, similar to the number we saw between 2014 and 2016, but considerably higher than we saw between 2006 and 2008.”

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Cheechako  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:30:27pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I think he’s the longest tenured member of Congress. But Republicans hate Washington insiders.//

He is. And, yes they do.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:31:11pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

L

Looks fresh for a retain. Hard to believe that and he’ll my own state went for W.

Yeah, NM (like Nevada) has been trending blue for at least a decade. I suspect we will see Arizona also continue to trend that way and it’s very possible that the Dems will have a major advantage in much of the west for a generation.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:31:50pm

re: #300 DangerMan

“Using data released by the federal Election Assistance Commission in June, a new Brennan Center analysis has found that between 2016 and 2018, counties with a history of voter discrimination have continued purging people from the rolls at much higher rates than other counties.”

“At least 17 million voters were purged nationwide between 2016 and 2018, similar to the number we saw between 2014 and 2016, but considerably higher than we saw between 2006 and 2008.”

Democrats still picked up seats in 2018 in the House, and managed to really overperform in the Senate. This just makes voter registration efforts vital.

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gocart mozart  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:31:52pm

re: #299 MsJ
thanks

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:34:03pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

If Susana Martinez is on the GOP offerings, pickings are slim. Hell, Pearce may go for it.

Maggie’s better than Ben, to my limited knowledge of the Dems on offer..

I don’t know much about NM politics, but I am curious how Martinez went from one of the most popular governors to one of the least in 8 years.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:34:55pm

re: #305 KGxvi

I don’t know much about NM politics, but I am curious how Martinez went from one of the most popular governors to one of the least in 8 years.

It is interesting. I remember when she was talked about potentially being VP material.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:36:03pm

Also, based on wrenchwench’s comment about NMGOP pickings being slim, the same thing sort of happened to the GOP in California. They sort of looked up one day and realized they didn’t really have any legitimate candidates for statewide offices.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:36:48pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

If Susana Martinez is on the GOP offerings, pickings are slim. Hell, Pearce may go for it.

Maggie’s better than Ben, to my limited knowledge of the Dems on offer..

Oh God, Pearce.

I’m hoping, based on Pearce’s losses the last time he sought a Senate seat, not to mention the Governor’s Mansion, that outside of a congressional district dominated by Cruces and Little Texas, Pearce just isn’t electable for a statewide office.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:37:31pm

GOP isn’t dead here but they’re bleeding out. Who knew that deriding a big part of the state as Commies wasn’t smart.

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William Lewis  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:39:53pm

re: #246 retired cynic

True

Democrats Aren’t Addressing the Biggest Challenge We Face

Washington Monthly

Until the end of this current cold civil war, we are not. No amendments will pass.

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:39:55pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Non-tax paying?” Why would someone make something up like that (well, antisemitism, but why taxes)?

Chabad owns a chunk of land upstate; it used to be one of those old-timey Catskills resorts like you’d have seen in Marvelous Mrs Maisel or Dirty Dancing. It’s a place for the Brooklyn Hasids to send wives and kids for summer vacation; since it’s owned by a religious organization, it has the same tax status as a Catholic Church youth camp…

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Kilroy was here  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:39:59pm

Speaking of rats jumping ship…

Three NRA board members resign from organization
Esther Schneider of Texas, Sean Maloney of Ohio and Timothy Knight of Tennessee resigned after saying that they lost their committee assignments after questioning allegations of spending by CEO Wayne LaPierre, The Washington Post reported.

thehill.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:40:24pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

GOP isn’t dead here but they’re bleeding out. Who knew that deriding a big part of the state as Commies wasn’t smart.

GOP here has a fair amount of power, owing to vast rural swaths and the ‘Sconnies who come across the river and settle in the Twin Cities suburbs. It remains to be seen how far down they’ve gone since the tangerine wankmaggot torpedoed the national GOP, though.

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:41:54pm

re: #19 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just paged this about the worsening farm crisis in Wisconsin.

The small family dairy farmers are the ones who swung the election to Trump. They were desperate, and figured they might as well take a chance, as Hilary and the Democrats obviously didn’t give a shit about them.

Instead, Trump has made things worse. Now they are crying like babies as their beloved cows are trucked away to the slaughterhouse.

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You may say they deserve it for being stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies - but they really weren’t given much of an alternative.

Whoever realistically addresses these people - who I grew up with - will win Wisconsin.

Who wins Wisconsin, wins the White House.

I grew up in Wisconsin. The squeeze has been going on since the the 1970s. Get big and live another 10 years. Not get big or die, because you are going to die. Just delay it. Most of these operators have voted republican forever. Sorry, I have no sympathy. And the small number of farmers don’t swing the state, the pricks in Waukesha County and the Fox Valley do that by voter ID.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:42:46pm

re: #313 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

GOP here has a fair amount of power, owing to vast rural swaths and the ‘Sconnies who come across the river and settle in the Twin Cities suburbs. It remains to be seen how far down they’ve gone since the tangerine wankmaggot torpedoed the national GOP, though.

Speaking of, did you get my email? But yeah Minnesota is surprisingly more lighter blue than I thought. I think it’s because the Iron Range which was once a Dem stronghold has grown more GOP. Shame. I have quite distant cousins that way.

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William Lewis  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:43:50pm

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

What won him Wisconsin was widespread voter disenfranchisement.

Didn’t help but seriously, women abandoned Hillary in the rural part of the state. I can count on one hand the number of women who voted _for_ Hillary. More voted against Trump but the most voted for Trump because she would start a war and was too mean to be president.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:44:50pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Speaking of, did you get my email? But yeah Minnesota is surprisingly more lighter blue than I thought. I think it’s because the Iron Range which was once a Dem stronghold has grown more GOP. Shame. I have quite distant cousins that way.

I did. I still have to approach his team, which is delicate, but I’ll see if I can get the information to them.

It is lighter blue than most people think - ask any of my wingnut friends, and they’d tell you MN is a socialist utopia - but the thing about the MN DFL is that they make stuff happen when they are in power. We don’t fuck around.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:55:19pm

re: #317 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I did. I still have to approach his team, which is delicate, but I’ll see if I can get the information to them.

It is lighter blue than most people think - ask any of my wingnut friends, and they’d tell you MN is a socialist utopia - but the thing about the MN DFL is that they make stuff happen when they are in power. We don’t fuck around.

Cool. But yeah Republicans think NoVa is Berkeley. Nope just Democratic and prosperous and proving racists wrong.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:55:42pm
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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:56:23pm

re: #304 gocart mozart

Jonathan fucking Turley. That fucking guy continues to disappoint me (he’s in that morons feed).

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:57:30pm

re: #319 Dave In Austin

Why I’ll retweet that, too. 😁😁😂😂

Bury that guy in responses.

I’m feeling feisty tonight.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 1, 2019 • 3:59:30pm

Has the cross burning started yet?

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Old Liberal  Aug 1, 2019 • 4:00:15pm

re: #66 lawhawk

The tax is paid by American importers who bring the goods to the US to sell. China isn’t paying the tariffs. We are.

And it isn’t just a pass through. They are marking it up or their gross margin will go down and the Street will punish them.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 1, 2019 • 4:00:39pm

I’m back.

It’s starting to rain lightly here.

I inspected the canal (it is not easy to get to in a car in places, even in town) out a mile or so into the Sandhills.

The level in town is a bit lower than it was this morning (yay) but north of town there is a spot where it’s out of the bank and running across a ranch.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2019 • 4:05:16pm

Irrational impartiality that erodes basic journalistic standards is one of the key reasons that we’re fucked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2019 • 4:58:28pm

re: #322 Ace Rothstein

Has the cross burning started yet?

massive thunderstorms popping up all over and around Greater Cincinnati tonight.

heh


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