This Is America: A Little Girl Sobs for Her Father After Trump’s ICE Raids

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I don’t really trust myself to say anything about this, because it honestly fills me with a cold rage against this inhuman government and the racist piece of garbage who leads it.

UPDATE at 8/9/19 10:46:16 am by Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:37:45am
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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:39:43am
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:41:31am

Greg Sargent has been making the case that as evident as Trump’s racism and xenophobia are, even as he was pretending to be “consoler-in-chief” his campaign is spending millions on targeted FB ads using the same old words and images (“invasion” etc.) as before, and so the magnitude of the racism isn’t apparent to much of the country.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:41:53am

Regarding Andy Ngo, is it just me or do many segments of the Vietnamese-American community still think they are white if they support Trump and spew wingnut talking points?

And also, what the fuck is up with his faux British accent?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:42:36am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:44:17am

In this clip, Trump virtually admitted that CPS and other social services were not notified of the raid in advance specifically for fear of tipping off the targets. This left the agencies dealing with several hundred essentially abandoned children on an emergency basis.

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Chrysicat  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:45:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:45:40am

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Once again, the cruelty is the POINT.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:46:30am
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:48:23am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Of course they did.

Of course Trump did.

He cares only for his own enrichment, and screw everyone else. He’s a racist and white supremacist, so employing and underpaying those folks is entirely his brand.

The consequences will fall on the undocumented persons, not the people hiring them.

ICE wont investigate, let alone raid Trump facilities, even though it’s well documented that Trump is breaking the law.

SS/DD

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:50:26am

Fuck you, Republicans.

Elderly couple found dead in apparent murder-suicide, left notes about high medical bills

A sheriff’s department in Washington state shared a story about an elderly man who killed his ailing wife and then himself, apparently because they did not have enough money to pay for medical care. The devastating story was shared on the Whatcom County Sheriff’s Office Facebook page and has gone viral.

A 77-year-old man called 911 and told the dispatcher, “I’m going to kill myself,” according to the sheriff’s department. He indicated he had prepared a note with instructions and the dispatcher tried to keep him on the line, with no success. The man disconnected the call, and when deputies arrived at the house, they sent a robot mounted camera inside.

Both the man and his wife were found dead by gunshot wounds. Detectives are investigating it as a likely murder-suicide.

“Several notes were left citing severe ongoing medical problems with the wife and expressing concerns that the couple did not have sufficient resources to pay for medical care,” the sheriffs department’s post reads.

“Next of kin information was left in a note and detectives are working with out of state law enforcement to notify the next of kin.”
The identity of the couple has not been released. Their two dogs were brought to the Human Society for care. Several firearms were also impounded.

“It is very tragic that one of our senior citizens would find himself in such desperate circumstances where he felt murder and suicide were the only option,” Sheriff Bill Elfo said, according to the post.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:52:35am

re: #11 MsJ

I can already hear the replies: “But all Democrats want to do is take care of illegal immigrants” when their response is to take care of no one.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:52:59am

I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and say the owners of that chicken processing plant in Mississippi donated to Trump’s campaign, and that’s why they’re still operating.

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Chrysicat  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:53:19am
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Thanos  Aug 9, 2019 • 10:59:16am

“Terrible things are happening outside… poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children
come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared.” - Anne Frank (Jan 13, 1943)

Meanwhile I’m going to go play this song and have a cry for my country again. David Bowie - This is not America

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:00:19am

Meanwhile, Taylor Swift has an answer for Kid Rock - and her other critics.

Taylor Swift - You Need To Calm Down

Heh.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:02:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:03:27am

Okay, so I wanted to weigh in on the whole “white people trashing Plantation Home tours” story.

As you all know, I’m Canadian. I’ve been living in the American South for about the last 11 years. In the history classes I took in school I think we spent exactly one day discussing the American Civil War. Since arriving in the South, I have taken it upon myself to study the war in much greater detail as the history of this region and the war itself still resonate with how things are here today.

There are still places in most deep south states that black people know to stay away from.

I’ve been on a few Plantation Home tours and have found them be both enlightening and emotionally challenging. There’s a lot of times history isn’t pretty. Instead of trying to pretend like it never happened or that it happened very differently from what the record indicates, we need to face the truth and understand that white slave owners in the South did some pretty despicable things.

On one of the tours, I walked out a set of double doors that led to a huge balcony at the rear of the house. Beyond the balcony were the fields where the slaves used to toil. As the guide told us about what life was like for them, I pictured the field full of slaves, working away, and white masters beating and whipping and screaming at them. It almost made my stomach turn, but that’s what SLAVERY WAS LIKE.

I imagined all the people who died in those fields, never having an opportunity to live free or make use of talents they may have had. I thought about the female slaves who had to endure daily rapes and assaults. I thought about slave owners selling slaves among each other, like my friends and I do with video games. My heart broke for all of it.

There is, admittedly, a certain romanticism that has come to be associated with these homes. A couple of friends of mine got engaged in front of a Plantation Home a couple of years ago and there are number of them that are popular wedding venues.

I won’t deny the homes themselves are often quite nice and opulent, but that’s only so because of the hard, unrewarded work of thousands and thousands of slaves. And it’s a remarkable contrast too: From the roomy, elegant, well furnished rooms of the main house to cramped, cold and almost windowless slave quarters. This was the reality of slavery of the American South.

If that makes you, as a white person, feel bad, IT FUCKING SHOULD. Not that any of us folk around today were personally responsible for what happened at those Plantations, but I guarantee you most of us have ancestors who were.

It might be an inconvenient truth, but it IS the truth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:05:21am

re: #11 MsJ

Ugh, that is appalling.

Think about how many people in this country are living in fear, desperation or both thanks what Trump and his GOP thugs have done to us…

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:09:25am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

All of this.

I’ve been to Savannah, Charleston, and VA, visiting several plantations and historic sites. At least you can’t help but ask who built the homes for the owners. Were they compensated? Nope. They were enslaved persons. Did they have a say in working the fields or enriching the people who owned them? Nope.

The entire southern economy was based on the premise that white folks could indefinitely own blacks, and treat them accordingly without care or consequence.

There are some who romanticize that and seek to regain what was lost after the South lost.

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:09:27am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

When R’s kill the preexisting condition thing, so many people will be in that desperate position. Millions.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:09:52am

I want to cry after watching this. The only thing keeping me from doing so is being at work but I’m crying and yelling inside. These poor people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:11:04am

re: #14 Chrysicat

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He doesn’t know shit but he is willing to sell Ukraine to Putin.

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Citizen K  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:11:56am

This has honestly been the most depressing week in a goddamn while. And still, yet still, the media continually treats the right wing as if they’re the only viewpoint worth considering ever and everyone else is suspect. The impenetrability is worse than ever, even as it becomes clearer and clearer that Trump and the GOP are turning us into a country based on cruelty, exclusion, and hate. Apparently, that’s the only America worth believing in according to the press.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:12:41am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re right. History isn’t pretty.

When I was a kid - this woulda been in the late ’70s - on one of our summertime cross-country trips, we wound up at the Little Bighorn Battlefield Monument.

Now in the 1970s, of course, things were different. Attitudes were different.

But it was my dad’s attitude that really stood out. After the little tour, he explained Little Bighorn thusly:

“See, Custer was going there to kill all those Indians. Men, women, children. He was gonna massacre them all. But then, he split his force in two, which was a huge mistake. And then, the Indians got the drop on him. They massacred him before he could massacre them.”

“And you know what? That’s called self-defense; the Indians were protecting their homes, their families, their wives and kids, their parents. They did the right thing.”

“Custer was no hero. He was an idiot, a man who thought he knew it all. An idiot who got exactly what he had coming to him.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:12:55am

re: #25 Citizen K

This has honestly been the most depressing week in a goddamn while. And still, yet still, the media continually treats the right wing as if they’re the only viewpoint worth considering ever and everyone else is suspect. The impenetrability is worse than ever, even as it becomes clearer and clearer that Trump and the GOP are turning us into a country based on cruelty, exclusion, and hate. Apparently, that’s the only America worth believing in according to the press.

It really has been.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:13:39am

Repeat this to anyone who waxes nostalgic or indirectly defensive of slavery or has problems about being reminded of the history and heritage of slaveholding:

Those people were brought to America because the white settlers were TOO LAZY to do the hard work of growing tobacco, sugar or cotton.

Local natives would just run off to friendly tribes so they had to import people from another continent who were helpless and isolated.

Slave owners were not too lazy to whip and manacle the people they brought over, just too lazy to do their work.

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Old Liberal  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:13:45am

re: #15 Thanos

“Terrible things are happening outside… poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children
come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared.” - Anne Frank (Jan 13, 1943)

Meanwhile I’m going to go play this song and have a cry for my country again. [Embedded content]

They were “breaking the law” that said they had to turn themselves in. Disgusting

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:15:53am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Once again, the cruelty is the POINT.

re: #11 MsJ

Fuck you, Republicans.

Trumpets will simply gloat and cite this as evidence of what superior people they are since THEY have health insurance and the old couple did not. That’s what they do, they fault the victims so they can feel superior for not being victimized.
One of the things that bothers me most about my time as a conservative and Republican is how little attention I paid to the callous and cruel attitudes that were endemic among my fellow conservatives. I remember a guy who boasted about his willingness to evict a tenant who might be late on his rent. “I’ll put them little kids right on the street! Don’t think I won’t! We need more of that in this country.”
It wasn’t that I wasn’t aware of it, I just didn’t think about the possibility that it was inherent in the philosophy, rather than a shortcoming of individuals. It IS inherent in the philosophy, though, and it is obvious that it is.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:16:07am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s a history of jobs that Americans wouldn’t do.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:19:19am

You know how there are some people who live to be ratioed on Twitter. Dinesh de Felon…. etc.

Well, this religious kook seems to have the ratio thing sewn up.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:21:14am

Virginia Giuffre, who says that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked her to powerful people for erotic massages and sex, claimed in a 2016 deposition that Maxwell directed her to have sex with former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Britain’s Prince Andrew (whom she has accused before), wealthy financier Glenn Dubin, former senator George Mitchell, now-deceased MIT scientist Marvin Minsky, and modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, as well as “another prince,” a “foreign president,” and the owner of a “large hotel chain” in France.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:22:06am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:23:25am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:23:47am

re: #31 lawhawk

It’s a history of jobs that Americans wouldn’t do.

but Africans were selling blacks to the slave traders so it was really the fault of the Africans who were selling the slaves….

Or something.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:24:40am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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I wonder how South Korea’s secret nuclear program is coming along? How do I know there is one? How could there not be?

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:25:22am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

I won’t deny the homes themselves are often quite nice and opulent, but that’s only so because of the hard, unrewarded work of thousands and thousands of slaves. And it’s a remarkable contrast too: From the roomy, elegant, well furnished rooms of the main house to cramped, cold and almost windowless slave quarters. This was the reality of slavery of the American South.

If that makes you, as a white person, feel bad, IT FUCKING SHOULD. Not that any of us folk around today were personally responsible for what happened at those Plantations, but I guarantee you most of us have ancestors who were.

It might be an inconvenient truth, but it IS the truth.

this is spot on

and i’ll add the obvious second part to this
that people who posted the tweet/revue of the tour were incensed that they had to ‘learn’ while on vacation (which is fun, water parks, and ice cream)

guess they shoulda read the brochure more carefully. or a history book.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:25:26am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Good lord, calling such a move a “disaster” has to be the understatement of the year.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:26:11am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

A beautiful letter?

Who the fuck talks like this and why should anyone believe anything Trump says.

It’s just as likely that Jong Un’s letter was written like a kidnapper with letters torn from newspapers. Jong Un is extorting Trump and urging him to throw South Korea under the bus, and Trump’s more than willing to do so.

Our allies are fucked. Our strategic partners are fucked. And no one will be willing to be either going forward thanks to Trump.

There are winners for all this - and they aren’t Americans. They’re the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans, who all get to expand their influence as Trump totally screws American foreign policy, American national security, and throws our economy into a tizzy thanks to his idiotic trade wars.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:26:54am

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wonder how South Korea’s secret nuclear program is coming along? How do I know there is one? How could there not be?

Don’t know about South Korea, but it’s often been noted that Japan is a “screwdriver turn” away from having a nuclear arsenal if they sought to.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:28:44am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Repeat this to anyone who waxes nostalgic or indirectly defensive of slavery or has problems about being reminded of the history and heritage of slaveholding:

Those people were brought to America because the white settlers were TOO LAZY to do the hard work of growing tobacco, sugar or cotton.

Local natives would just run off to friendly tribes so they had to import people from another continent who were helpless and isolated.

Slave owners were not too lazy to whip and manacle the people they brought over, just too lazy to do their work.

and TOO CHEAP to pay someone else fairly to do it

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:30:02am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

They’re also a few minor changes to their constitution from having a full declared navy, and not merely a self defense force.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:30:02am

re: #21 lawhawk

This.

All of this.

I’ve been to Savannah, Charleston, and VA, visiting several plantations and historic sites. At least you can’t help but ask who built the homes for the owners. Were they compensated? Nope. They were enslaved persons. Did they have a say in working the fields or enriching the people who owned them? Nope.

The entire southern economy was based on the premise that white folks could indefinitely own blacks PEOPLE, and treat them PEOPLE accordingly without care or consequence.

There are some who romanticize that and seek to regain what was lost after the South lost.

Sorry, I had to change the above. Because this is what I think every time slavery is mentioned. I dont ever think of slaves as being blacks (while they were)…I think of people, human beings.

Fucking southern white people owned other fucking people. Sold their children.

I’m 60 years old and I still cannot wrap my mind around that. Or that some people today think of this as no big deal. It’s a big, BIG fucking deal.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:31:20am

re: #32 lawhawk

Alcoholics are not “helpless.” They Can decide to be an alcoholic or to not be one. Just like those with mental illness Can decide to be mentally healthy, and homosexuals Can decide to be straight. We decide to make or break our future by the decisions we choose to make.]

so the decisions you chose to make were to be an idiot and demonstrate it to all of us?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:31:41am

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:34:17am

May as well dissolve the Reichstag, uh Congress, because they’re no longer needed. One man rule from now on.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:36:50am

re: #43 lawhawk

They’re also a few minor changes to their constitution from having a full declared navy, and not merely a self defense force.

Of course, there would need to be a constitutional overhaul regarding offensive forces and capabilities.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:37:11am

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, Taylor Swift has an answer for Kid Rock - and her other critics.

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Video

Heh.

For all the shit she takes, she’s pretty awesome.

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:37:15am
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Citizen K  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:38:29am

re: #44 MsJ

Sorry, I had to change the above. Because this is what I think every time slavery is mentioned. I dont ever think of slaves as being blacks (while they were)…I think of people, human beings.

Fucking southern white people owned other fucking people. Sold their children.

I’m 60 years old and I still cannot wrap my mind around that. Or that some people today think of this as no big deal. It’s a big, BIG fucking deal.

It’s this kinda thing that makes me terrified that there’s precious little from keeping folks living today from wanting to reinstitute slavery as national policy. Like, international pressure feels like it might be the sole thing that would keep it from actually happening, especially with the continued disenfranchisement and criminalization of brown skin across the board in this country.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:38:34am

re: #45 DangerMan

Removing all doubt. Yup.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:41:17am

The White House is contemplating issuing an executive order that would widen its attack on the operations of social media companies.

The White House has prepared an executive order called “Protecting Americans from Online Censorship” that would give the Federal Communications Commission oversight of how Facebook, Twitter and other tech companies monitor and manage their social networks, according to a CNN report.

Under the order, which has not yet been announced and could be revised, the FCC would be tasked with developing new regulations that would determine when and how social media companies filter posts, videos or articles on their platforms.

The draft order also calls for the Federal Trade Commission to take those new policies into account when investigating or filing lawsuits against technology companies, according to the CNN report.

Jesus Christ, he’s trying to to make conservatives immune from being reprimanded or banned on social media.

Can this be challenged as Unconstitutional?

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:41:41am

re: #51 Citizen K

Oh they’re going to do it, but it will be inmates in private prisons who are “loaned out” to do all those jobs the “illegals” once did. A massive unpaid workforce!! Winning!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:42:54am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m pretty confident it’ll be instantly challenged.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:43:02am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. Because this would be a direct 1A violation.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:43:28am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

The White House is contemplating issuing an executive order that would widen its attack on the operations of social media companies.

The White House has prepared an executive order called “Protecting Americans from Online Censorship” that would give the Federal Communications Commission oversight of how Facebook, Twitter and other tech companies monitor and manage their social networks, according to a CNN report.

Under the order, which has not yet been announced and could be revised, the FCC would be tasked with developing new regulations that would determine when and how social media companies filter posts, videos or articles on their platforms.

The draft order also calls for the Federal Trade Commission to take those new policies into account when investigating or filing lawsuits against technology companies, according to the CNN report.

Jesus Christ, he’s trying to to make conservatives immune from being reprimanded or banned on social media.

Can this be challenged as Unconstitutional?

Those companies are going to have a field day with this one. They will tie this up for a long time. And, interestingly enough, Gorsuch will easily find it violates the constitution.

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Citizen K  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:43:30am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

The White House is contemplating issuing an executive order that would widen its attack on the operations of social media companies.

The White House has prepared an executive order called “Protecting Americans from Online Censorship” that would give the Federal Communications Commission oversight of how Facebook, Twitter and other tech companies monitor and manage their social networks, according to a CNN report.

Under the order, which has not yet been announced and could be revised, the FCC would be tasked with developing new regulations that would determine when and how social media companies filter posts, videos or articles on their platforms.

The draft order also calls for the Federal Trade Commission to take those new policies into account when investigating or filing lawsuits against technology companies, according to the CNN report.

Jesus Christ, he’s trying to to make conservatives immune from being reprimanded or banned on social media.

Can this be challenged as Unconstitutional?

Orwell would weep, especially at the proposed name of the order.

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:44:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:45:40am

re: #58 Citizen K

Orwell would weep, especially at the proposed name of the order.

With all the RW whining about them being “censored” (LOL) all I can figure is that somehow, when they sign up to a website, they really believe the Terms of Service simply don’t apply to them or something.

Or more likely, they never even bother to read the ToS and just click ‘I Accept’.

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Thanos  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:46:18am

America has always been pluralistic in nature: a real place where great evils, shames, and massacres built it; a real place where awesome changes and advances were made, and lastly a wonderful dream of what could be at some time far away for everyone.

There wasn’t any noble South - the land was stolen from the natives through genocide, the plantations were built on the backs of stolen black children, and the wealth of the Southern whites was built through lashes on the backs of their enslaved children. Our place in the world was carved out by some highly vicious people, uncaring souls who were willing to do things like “inter” Japanese americans, who were able to use nuclear bombs on real men & women and children.

If you can’t look at those evils; those shames, those scars, those wounds, and understand and accept them without making excuses or stories or myths to minimize those scars, those wounds, those shames, then you aren’t really american at all.

Sure, it wasn’t all evil, while that was going on, some other americans were discovering and creating, designing and building — but even then it was coupled with some evil costs. Don’t deny our dual nature if you want to be honest, but live for what can be at some distant time for everyone.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:46:24am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

I’m pretty confident it’ll be instantly challenged.

those lawsuits were written long ago and have been sitting in a desk drawer (as it were)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:46:51am

This social media thing is literally what they claimed net neutrality was.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:49:01am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

This social media thing is literally what they claimed net neutrality was.

Because they didn’t understand what net neutrality was. All they knew was that BLACKITY BLACK MUSLIM HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO OPPRESS US!1! and that, frankly, was all they needed to know.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:50:09am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

If that makes you, as a white person, feel bad, IT FUCKING SHOULD. Not that any of us folk around today were personally responsible for what happened at those Plantations, but I guarantee you most of us have ancestors who were.

It might be an inconvenient truth, but it IS the truth.

Most of us actually don’t have ancestors who were, because there were 25 million white Americans in the 1860’s, and more than 70 million white immigrants between 1870 and 1920.

But those of us whose families came later, we certainly benefited from everything that happened at those Plantations. It’s what gave the Federal Govt the resources to do pretty much every single thing they did north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of the Mississippi (most of which was specifically, deliberately and overtly defined in the law as being only for white people. At least until the Civil Rights Act, after which all the white “christians” had their sudden epiphany that the government shouldn’t do anything for the citizenry ever again.)

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Citizen K  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:52:20am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

This social media thing is literally what they claimed net neutrality was.

It’s projection. It’s always projection. All that matters to them is that they get the privileged status.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:52:39am

The Kid Rock threat has me laughing so hard it hurts..

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:52:54am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:53:13am

...

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:53:42am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

Because they didn’t understand what net neutrality was. All they knew was that BLACKITY BLACK MUSLIM HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO OPPRESS US!1! and that, frankly, was all they needed to know.

Exactly. Spread by assholes like Cruz and Limbaugh.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:54:18am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:55:09am

re: #71 jaunte

JFC, it’s President Old Man Yells At Clouds.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:56:14am

As if *any* Trump ever studied hard.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:56:25am

re: #71 jaunte

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JFC

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:56:37am

Here is an optimistic story. Technological advances in renewable energy and energy storage means that a 100% renewable energy grid is likely to be not only technologically feasible but also affordable sooner than many realize. Now we need to defeat Trump and pass a Green New Deal! vox.com

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:57:36am

re: #73 jaunte

As if *any* Trump ever studied hard.

He studied his father, and the way he screwed over others.

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Old Liberal  Aug 9, 2019 • 11:58:52am

re: #75 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here is an optimistic story. Technological advances in renewable energy and energy storage means that a 100% renewable energy grid is likely to be not only technologically feasible but also affordable sooner than many realize. Now we need to defeat Trump and pass a Green New Deal! vox.com

Some reactionaries demand to be allowed to breathe leaded gasoline exhaust and eat mercury infused fish from acid rain lakes.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:02:01pm

TEH DEMS ARE TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:04:56pm

re: #32 lawhawk

Alcoholics are not “helpless.” They Can decide to be an alcoholic or to not be one. Just like those with mental illness Can decide to be mentally healthy, and homosexuals Can decide to be straight. We decide to make or break our future by the decisions we choose to make.

Alcoholics can decide whether they are going to try to avoid alcohol

With proper support, they can often succeed.

But they remain alcoholics and have no choice about that.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:05:00pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

As voiced by singer-songwriters Utah Phillips and Ani DiFranco,
‘The past didn’t go anywhere”
Or as Faulkner wrote:
“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:05:12pm

re: #75 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here is an optimistic story. Technological advances in renewable energy and energy storage means that a 100% renewable energy grid is likely to be not only technologically feasible but also affordable sooner than many realize. Now we need to defeat Trump and pass a Green New Deal! vox.com

We ARE going to win, you know. The only issue is how long it will take and how much damage the throwbacks can do before their empire of ignorance and cruelty is finally consigned to the dung-heap of history.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:06:40pm

Trump has really been going off the fucking rails lately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:07:27pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Can this be challenged as Unconstitutional?


“Congress shall make no law…”

I would say “of course” but then again, we live a different world than what we grew up in…

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Old Liberal  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:07:34pm

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:08:20pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump has really been going off the fucking rails lately.

The pressure’s getting to him. He’s cracking up.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:09:33pm

re: #65 sagehen

Most of us actually don’t have ancestors who were, because there were 25 million white Americans in the 1860’s, and more than 70 million white immigrants between 1870 and 1920.

But those of us whose families came later, we certainly benefited from everything that happened at those Plantations. It’s what gave the Federal Govt the resources to do pretty much every single thing they did north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of the Mississippi (most of which was specifically, deliberately and overtly defined in the law as being only for white people. At least until the Civil Rights Act, after which all the white “christians” had their sudden epiphany that the government shouldn’t do anything for the citizenry ever again.)

not to make light of this too much…
- many of our ancestors were in europe, asia, wherever facing the same thing
- if not outright slavery, then discrimination, ghettos, pogroms, civil liberties squashed by the state, etc., and i mean well before the 1930-40’s

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:09:35pm

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:10:17pm

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She’s an EvanJesusCultist. All hope is lost with those types.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:10:35pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

Some people have taken that tack “If you are going to call me a racist for everything I say, then I’m a racist!”

But others really do not understand what racism means, much less why their views are racist. The just see themselves as “racial realists” and that their views reflect God’s Divine Order of nature and society.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:10:41pm
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump has really been going off the fucking rails lately.

The Trumperton window is in free fall.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:11:47pm

re: #51 Citizen K

They’ll call it the GOP “full employment initiative”

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:11:58pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:12:06pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

They have to retain a level of plausible deniability to keep the votes of people not paying too much attention.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:12:23pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

I think they know racism is wrong.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:12:59pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

….to inflame and cause chaos. They create their own violence, and then try to blame others. They are the true Racists, and are very bad for our Country!

so distinguished
such presidential

ps - random capitalizing doesnt help the case (that you’re not an idiot)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:13:10pm

re: #93 DodgerFan1988

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Believe dipshit in El Paso also likes Charlie.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:13:53pm

re: #71 jaunte

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dont you love the poorly educated any more?

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:14:35pm

re: #91 jaunte

The Trumperton window is in free fall.

I really believe we have to outlast it, and keep things together while it’s happening, and we will win. None of that is easy, and lots of people have their own idea on how to do it, which is actually part of the problem, but I do think we can overcome this. It seriously helps that elections are forced in this country.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:14:55pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We ARE going to win, you know. The only issue is how long it will take and how much damage the throwbacks can do before their empire of ignorance and cruelty is finally consigned to the dung-heap of history.

Its going to be a bumpy ride to January 20, 2021. I fully expect we will have to have a general strike and March on Washington to get the shitstain out of the Oval Office when he refuses to concede due to “massive voter fraud.”

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:15:11pm

re: #80 cat-tikvah

As voiced by singer-songwriters Utah Phillips and Ani DiFranco,
‘The past didn’t go anywhere”
Or as Faulkner wrote:
“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

Shakespeare - “the past is prologue”

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:17:26pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

they are cowards

- same reason publishing donors is somehow wrong

- why do they wear hoods? why did they ever? it’s pulling the white hood off.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:17:37pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

The pressure’s getting to him. He’s cracking up.

promise?

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:18:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:20:02pm

re: #104 jaunte

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That really is what I’m trying to get at when I argue why Trump is uniquely awful.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:21:16pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It’s the -using another human- version of him cashing that 13¢ check from Spy Magazine.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:22:39pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

1. Because it’s socially unacceptable and they know they’re not racist.

2. It’s just THOSE people really make them angry. But it’s not racist.

See 1.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:24:12pm

Trump acknowledged to reporters Friday that there have been previous efforts to strengthen background checks “that went nowhere.”

“But there’s never been a president like President Trump,” he boasted.

this must just all be a big musical and that’s obviously a song cue

“oh, …”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:24:45pm

I owe my political involvement to the 2000 elections. I don’t like the rehabbing of Bush at all but compared to Trump? I’ll take him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:25:23pm

re: #108 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Trump acknowledged to reporters Friday that there have been previous efforts to strengthen background checks “that went nowhere.”

“But there’s never been a president like President Trump,” he boasted.

this must just all be a big musical and that’s obviously a song cue

“oh, …”

He really thinks he’s this great legislator in chief. He’s not.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:25:45pm

re: #107 MsJ

1. Because it’s socially unacceptable and they know they’re not racist.

2. It’s just THOSE people really make them angry. But it’s not racist.

See 1.

Because the real racists are the minorities who want to compete with whites for jobs, homes, and government positions. Only white males are entitled to these societal benefits — everyone else needs to wait in line until all white males are satisfied.

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Sea Mexican  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:26:55pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

Admitting they are racist would indicate that they might be wrong. They view themselves as speaking the uncomfortable truths others don’t want to admit.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:28:24pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

He really thinks he’s this great legislator in chief. He’s not.

i think it’s compensation
i think he knows he’s really miserable at it (or would be if he tried to actually do the work of president) and he’s not even phoning it in
he doesnt really care about the truth of it
just the promotion of it

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:28:51pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

keep in mind that they make a mental reservation on the idea that “racist” implies a belief in biological inferiority, whereas they merely believe that somehow, sociologically, almost all of those people are criminal and inferior

we should really accuse them using the precise and inescapable term:

BIGOTS

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:30:37pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

they wear real and metaphorical hoods because they know they wouldnt have a chance in the light of day of the real world

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Kilroy was here  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:30:44pm

Straight Pride Coalition leader accidentally calls it ‘peaceful racist group’
thehill.com

Someones Freudian Slip is showing…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:31:37pm

re: #113 DangerMan

i think it’s compensation
i think he knows he’s really miserable at it (or would be if he tried to actually do the work of president) and he’s not even phoning it in
he doesnt really care about the truth of it
just the promotion of it

Yeah I think so too.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:32:12pm

re: #112 Sea Mexican

Admitting they are racist would indicate that they might be wrong. They view themselves as speaking the uncomfortable truths others don’t want to admit.

White supremacists engage in cognitive dissonance to claim that they are simultaneously superior, and that Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything because of genetics, effort, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:33:11pm

re: #118 lawhawk

White supremacists engage in cognitive dissonance to claim that they are simultaneously superior, and that Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything because of genetics, effort, etc.

you mean like the ones that are here to simultaneously steal our jobs and mooch off our social system?

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:33:28pm

re: #116 Kilroy was here

Straight Pride Coalition leader accidentally calls it ‘peaceful racist group’
thehill.com

Someones Freudian Slip is showing…

who knew?:

Grundmann called his remark “just a verbal gaffe” and denied that white supremacy was a real ideology.

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Old Liberal  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:33:40pm

re: #107 MsJ

1. Because it’s socially unacceptable and they know they’re not racist.

2. It’s just THOSE people really make them angry. But it’s not racist.

See 1.

Socially unacceptable where? Their social group is filled with like minded racists. That’s what i dont get. Who are they afraid of, who will judge them for being racist? Who that they care about, surely not liberals.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:34:21pm

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #118 lawhawk

Schrodinger’s immigrants

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:34:50pm

My Congressman

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Kilroy was here  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:34:57pm

re: #120 DangerMan

who knew?:

The first rule of being a racist is never admit to being a racist.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:36:06pm

re: #118 lawhawk

White supremacists engage in cognitive dissonance to claim that they are simultaneously superior, and that Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything because of genetics, effort, etc.

Haven’t they always claimed that white genes are superior to other genes and white culture is superior to other culture? That blacks and Mexicans are inferior races? They think they are losing because others are cheating and being given unfair advantage.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:36:09pm

re: #120 DangerMan

who knew?:

Not a real ideology? They’re getting weirder and weirder about their responses to it. The Christian Rights response has been particularly interesting.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:36:25pm

re: #123 Dave In Austin

“Outed?” As a Trump voter? Think of that framing for a minute.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:36:37pm

re: #123 Dave In Austin

My Congressman

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Oh shut up Roger.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:37:03pm

re: #118 lawhawk

White supremacists engage in cognitive dissonance to claim that they are simultaneously superior, and that Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything because of genetics, effort, etc.

don’t you know? democrats are importing illegal aliens so that they can illegally vote democratic because otherwise democrats would lose all elections, and then the illegal aliens simultaneously all live on welfare while working at low wages that undercut the employment possibilities for american workers to clean toilets, work graveyard shift at the slaughterhouse, and do piecework stoop labor in the fields

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:37:12pm

The vote that dares not speak its name!

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:39:58pm

re: #121 Old Liberal

Socially unacceptable where? Their social group is filled with like minded racists. That’s what i dont get. Who are they afraid of, who will judge them for being racist? Who that they care about, surely not liberals.

The general population. Not everyone in everyone’s circles are the same.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:41:00pm

Trump policy promoting rodent overpopulation, with accompanying flea/plague opportunity.

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Jay C  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:42:39pm

re: #118 lawhawk

White supremacists engage in cognitive dissonance to claim that they are simultaneously superior, and that Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything because of genetics, effort, etc.

RLY? I thought the stock white-supremacist rationalization was that “Mexicans or foreigners are beating them at everything” because they (white folks) are being widely and viciously discriminated against by hippie/commie/atheist/radical/socialists who simply hate them for being “normal”….?

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:44:05pm
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:44:51pm

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:45:08pm

re: #125 Hecuba’s daughter

Haven’t they always claimed that white genes are superior to other genes and white culture is superior to other culture? That blacks and Mexicans are inferior races? They think they are losing because others are cheating and being given unfair advantage.

Hasn’t it been noted through DNA studies that a not-insignificant segment of the European population has traces of Homo neanderthalis DNA?

Interestingly enough, the only human population group that doesn’t show admixture with other archaic hominids are sub-Saharan Africans. Therefore, I could advance the argument that the only truly pure humans (Homo sapiens) are, in fact, modern sub-Saharan Africans.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:46:02pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

Hasn’t it been noted through DNA studies that a not-insignificant segment of the European population has traces of Homo neanderthalis DNA?

Interestingly enough, the only human population group that doesn’t show admixture with other archaic hominids are sub-Saharan Africans. Therefore, I could advance the argument that the only truly pure humans (Homo sapiens)are, in fact, modern sub-Saharan Africans.

Racism is a stupid thing.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:46:22pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:47:11pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Racism is a stupid thing.

Yes it is.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:48:28pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

Yes it is.

I’m proud to be multiethnic. I really am.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:51:35pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Racism is a stupid thing.

that explains it!

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:52:05pm

re: #138 jaunte

It’s those other LLCs where he does his money laundering and light treason.

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mmmirele  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:54:49pm

re: #44 MsJ

Sorry, I had to change the above. Because this is what I think every time slavery is mentioned. I dont ever think of slaves as being blacks (while they were)…I think of people, human beings.

Fucking southern white people owned other fucking people. Sold their children.

I’m 60 years old and I still cannot wrap my mind around that. Or that some people today think of this as no big deal. It’s a big, BIG fucking deal.

I have to emphasize the “sold their children” part. White men would rape enslaved women, get them pregnant, not acknowledge their children, and sell the children off, or separate families entirely. That’s because they didn’t see the mothers or children as human beings, but animate chattel property. That too, the centuries of sexual assault and families separated as if they were just bales of cotton, is also part of the horror of slavery.

Oh yeah, these good Christians who talk about marriage only being between a man and a woman need to be reminded that the enslaved, being property, could not get legally married. Because they were just like hogs in the slaveowners’ estimation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:55:07pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

I’m proud to be multiethnic. I really am.

Pretty much only one race, but for that, my grandparents account for most of the Austro-Hungarian empire (Bohemia, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary)

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:55:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:56:13pm

re: #143 mmmirele

Oh yeah, these good Christians who talk about marriage only being between a man and a woman need to be reminded that the enslaved, being property, could not get legally married. Because they were just like hogs in the slaveowners’ estimation.

They just amended the wedding vows to “uniil death or distance you do part.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:57:47pm

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pretty much only one race, but for that, my grandparents account for most of the Austro-Hungarian empire (Bohemia, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary)

Actually. Hungarians aren’t Slavs at all and Croats are South Slavs unlike the West Slav Slovaks and Bohemians. So you’re more mixed than you think.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:58:16pm

re: #143 mmmirele

I
Oh yeah, these good Christians who talk about marriage only being between a man and a woman need to be reminded that the enslaved, being property, could not get legally married. Because they were just like hogs in the slaveowners’ estimation.

Supporters of Confederate statuary and flags need to be reminded, often, that the ideology they represent is actually self-admitted bestiality.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 12:59:37pm

re: #143 mmmirele

I have to emphasize the “sold their children” part. White men would rape enslaved women, get them pregnant, not acknowledge their children, and sell the children off, or separate families entirely. That’s because they didn’t see the mothers or children as human beings, but animate chattel property. That too, the centuries of sexual assault and families separated as if they were just bales of cotton, is also part of the horror of slavery.

Oh yeah, these good Christians who talk about marriage only being between a man and a woman need to be reminded that the enslaved, being property, could not get legally married. Because they were just like hogs in the slaveowners’ estimation.

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mmmirele  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:00:18pm

re: #54 plansbandc

Oh they’re going to do it, but it will be inmates in private prisons who are “loaned out” to do all those jobs the “illegals” once did. A massive unpaid workforce!! Winning!

You mean like the convict leasing program the Texas Department of Corrections had at the turn of the 20th century? There’s a burial ground with 95 bodies in it. Ninety-three men one woman and one teenage boy. They died while leased out to Sugar Land sugar farmers. The 13th Amendment allows this.

washingtonpost.com

The school district has since decided to turn the burial ground into a memorial. But we never learn.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:00:41pm

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pretty much only one race, but for that, my grandparents account for most of the Austro-Hungarian empire (Bohemia, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary)

and THAT’s really the point
the rest of this is made up nonsense

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:01:22pm

re: #145 gocart mozart

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See I laugh my ass at people who think those shirts are cool.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:02:16pm

re: #151 DangerMan

and THAT’s really the point
the rest of this is made up nonsense

Exactly. I’m one race. Human but from many different cultures. That’s what I’m proud of. I’m proud my parents and grandparents weren’t tribal.

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DangerMan  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:02:27pm

re: #145 gocart mozart

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real men dont need to wear their opinions on their clothing

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Kilroy was here  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:03:05pm

He won’t be President next year, but he has a handle on this piece of the tech future.

Automated trucks: Blue-collar disaster or economic win? | Andrew Yang

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:04:50pm

re: #142 lawhawk

It’s those other LLCs where he does his money laundering and light treason.

I’m thinking they’re mob fronts, using Trump as a beard; those very generic business names for Trump companies, given his predilection to smear his name feces over everything, seems to be a possible tell.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:04:59pm

I don’t know what’s more lame. Acknowledging your love of meat especially bacon on your shirt or that you say Merry Christmas. No one gives a fuck.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:10:12pm

re: #145 gocart mozart

I FEEL LIKE A VICTIM OF
SOMETHING I JUST CAN’T NAME

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mmmirele  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:10:40pm

re: #65 sagehen

Most of us actually don’t have ancestors who were, because there were 25 million white Americans in the 1860’s,

I am Whitey McWhiterson. Every single family line I have been able to trace out, the ancestors arrived no later than 1720. And my ancestors migrated from the northeast and mid-Atlantic to the South and border states. The thing about my ancestors is they were landless white people who moved every generation or more often. My maternal great-grandmother was born in Tennessee in 1890, and before she died in California in 1984, she had lived in Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma. She was not unusual. Most took the Tennessee > Kentucky > Arkansas > Texas >Oklahoma route. It’s kind of amazing to find ancestors of both sides of my family in the same counties in the same states at the same time. Poor white people, not tradesmen, but sharecroppers.

What I want to know is how the wealthy white plantation owners kept the poorer whites pacified. Anyone got some reading on that?

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:12:49pm
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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:13:16pm

By the way, todayre: #157 HappyWarrior

I don’t know what’s more lame. Acknowledging your love of meat especially bacon on your shirt or that you say Merry Christmas. No one gives a fuck.

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

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stpaulbear  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:13:22pm

re: #154 DangerMan

real men dont need to wear their opinions on their clothing

I’ve been wearing a version of this t-shirt a couple of weekends this month. I bought it right after Trump was elected. It’s made a few people happy.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:13:42pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I don’t know what’s more lame. Acknowledging your love of meat especially bacon on your shirt or that you say Merry Christmas. No one gives a fuck.

I like bacon! 😂

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:15:39pm

re: #161 electrotek

By the way, today

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

It means you’re not one of THEM. Neither kind of THEM. Not a very good Hindu, either.

Nor a Catholic if you eat it on a Friday in Lent.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:16:55pm

re: #163 MsJ

I like bacon! 😂

I like bacon and falafel.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:17:39pm

re: #159 mmmirele

I am Whitey McWhiterson. Every single family line I have been able to trace out, the ancestors arrived no later than 1720. And my ancestors migrated from the northeast and mid-Atlantic to the South and border states. The thing about my ancestors is they were landless white people who moved every generation or more often. My maternal great-grandmother was born in Tennessee in 1890, and before she died in California in 1984, she had lived in Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma. She was not unusual. Most took the Tennessee > Kentucky > Arkansas > Texas >Oklahoma route. It’s kind of amazing to find ancestors of both sides of my family in the same counties in the same states at the same time. Poor white people, not tradesmen, but sharecroppers.

What I want to know is how the wealthy white plantation owners kept the poorer whites pacified. Anyone got some reading on that?

“Hey at least you’re free unlike them.”

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:18:00pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

It means you’re not one of THEM. Neither kind of THEM. Not a very good Hindu, either.

Nor a Catholic if you eat it on a Friday in Lent.

Middle Eastern Christians don’t eat pork (unless they live in America).

But even all of the Armenian festivals I’ve attended, pork was non-existent. It’s always lamb, beef, chicken, or falafel.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:19:55pm

re: #161 electrotek

By the way, today

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

I have no idea.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:20:16pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I like bacon and falafel.

I’m not a flafel fan. But fine me some good kreplach or chopped liver and I’m there.

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:20:24pm

re: #150 mmmirele

Yes, exactly like that. Only on a far larger scale.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:20:30pm

re: #167 electrotek

Middle Eastern Christians don’t eat pork (unless they live in America).

But even all of the Armenian festivals I’ve attended, pork was non-existent. It’s always lamb, beef, chicken, or falafel.

I think bacon is overrated. *runs*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:20:57pm

re: #169 MsJ

I’m not a flafel fan. But fine me some good kreplach or chopped liver and I’m there.

I really like breaded meat.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:21:19pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I think bacon is overrated. *runs*

I’m not into pork and I’ve mentioned before that I’ve accidentally eaten pork of course. Yet I didn’t like the taste one bit so this should disappoint the pork crusading brigade.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:21:38pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:22:20pm

re: #167 electrotek

Middle Eastern Christians don’t eat pork (unless they live in America).

But even all of the Armenian festivals I’ve attended, pork was non-existent. It’s always lamb, beef, chicken, or falafel.

Both cases are probably the difficulty of developing an “outsider” cuisine in the Ottoman Empire. Probably rough enough getting along without firing up the wrong BBQ.

(The US embassy in Israel gave us reminders about outdoor cooking during the major holidays.)

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451_Montag  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:26:11pm

re: #132 jaunte

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Trump policy promoting rodent overpopulation, with accompanying flea/plague opportunity.

Is it me or is it problematic for Trump to allow the purchase of cyanide?

Snark, but a little worried

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:28:06pm

re: #124 Kilroy was here

The first rule of being a racist is never admit to being a racist.

“The first rule of White Club is that you do not talk about White Club!”

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:28:30pm

Morrissey has been STRANGELY silent about the El Paso attacks…especially when one of his fellow travelers with the same worldview murdered his fanbase.

And we all know he has a HUGE Hispanic fan base so the least he could have done is jump on the gun (no pun intended) and show solidarity the way he did with Manchester 2 years ago.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:30:44pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

Their internalized vision of what qualifies as “racist” only includes the most violent and/or most public; the guys in the white hoods dancing around burning crosses and lynchings, Bull Connor unleashing dogs and firehoses, the people who bombed Birmingham churches, the crowds screaming at the Little Rock Nine.

Anything less than that doesn’t count.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:31:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:31:25pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I think bacon is overrated. *runs*

Them’s fightin’ words, pardner!!
//

Good! More for me!

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:31:27pm

re: #161 electrotek

By the way, today

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

I think it started with someone pointing out that it wasn’t a super healthy food choice, and then the victim-brains translated that as “nobody’s gonna tell me what to do” so thus “rebel=patriot.”

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:32:37pm

re: #84 Old Liberal

Sincere question. These people are racists but insist they are not. What is their motivation for denial? Why not just be loud and proud? Plenty of their social group are proud racists.

Ana Marie Cox’s podcast is about this issue today. Basically, the way many white people unconsciously internalize whiteness leaves them with a very large blind spot to their own racist acts (I’m not all the way through the pod, but that’s what I’ve gathered thus far).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:32:51pm

re: #179 sagehen

Their internalized vision of what qualifies as “racist” only includes the most violent and/or most public; the guys in the white hoods dancing around burning crosses and lynchings, Bull Connor unleashing dogs and firehoses, the people who bombed Birmingham churches, the crowds screaming at the Little Rock Nine.

Anything less than that doesn’t count.

They also know that the majority of Americans, even their Southern neighbors, realized that overt racism is NOT COOL sometime since the 1950s. We really haven’t slipped back that far.

Yet.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:32:55pm

re: #182 jaunte

I think it started with someone pointing out that it wasn’t a super healthy food choice, and then the victim-brains translated that as “nobody’s gonna tell me what to do” so thus “rebel=patriot.”

Neither is lamb (in terms of carbon footprint) but none of them will be championing lamb as the meat of FREEDOM

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:32:57pm

re: #124 Kilroy was here

The first rule of being a racist is never admit to being a racist.

Racism always begins just a bit beyond wherever the racist is currently standing.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:33:45pm

re: #185 electrotek

Too many Biblical references to meekness!

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:35:23pm

re: #182 jaunte

I think it started with someone pointing out that it wasn’t a super healthy food choice, and then the victim-brains translated that as “nobody’s gonna tell me what to do” so thus “rebel=patriot.”

It’s the same fucked-up mentality that drives so-called “conservatives” to “roll coal” and to belch giant plumes of black diesel smoke as they pull off a light next to a Prius or to go out of their way to use as much electricty at their house as is possible on Earth Day.

Nothing but spite, pure fucking spite.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:36:45pm

re: #188 TedStriker

It’s the same fucked-up mentality that drives so-called “conservatives” to “roll coal” and to belch giant plumes of black diesel smoke as they pull off a light next to a Prius or to go out of their way to use as much electricty at their house on Earth Day.

Nothing but spite, pure fucking spite.

Diesel smells like shit, bacon not-so-much.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:36:54pm

re: #188 TedStriker

It’s the same fucked-up mentality that drives so-called “conservatives” to “roll coal” and to belch giant plumes of black diesel smoke as they pull off a light next to a Prius or to go out of their way to use as much electricty at their house on Earth Day.

Nothing but spite, pure fucking spite.

And they are the first to go straight to their utility company and bitch about their electricity bill and demand a credit.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:37:09pm

re: #185 electrotek

Neither is lamb (in terms of carbon footprint) but none of them will be championing lamb as the meat of FREEDOM

Mmmmm!!!! Lamb!!!!

(Insert Homer Simpson drooling gif here)

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:37:41pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Diesel smells like shit, bacon not-so-much.

Oh, I agree…good bacon smells goooood.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:38:37pm

re: #192 TedStriker

Oh, I agree…good bacon smells goooood.

Hanging with my Pleistocene ancestors, here.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:38:54pm

re: #159 mmmirele

What I want to know is how the wealthy white plantation owners kept the poorer whites pacified. Anyone got some reading on that?

They hired them as overseers and slave-catchers; at “skilled labor” wages plus full access to all the rape you have time for.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:39:12pm

If you’re ever in Houston, look up the lamb shank here:

aladdinshouston.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:39:19pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the gloriously beautiful wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk on this, my weekend of freedom?

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:40:04pm

There are some Iranians here who brag about eating pork to show how much they hate Islam and assimilate into American society.

And I’m like: NOBODY CARES GURL

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:40:40pm

re: #196 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim from the gloriously beautiful wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk on this, my weekend of freedom?

Discussing the good and evil of bacon. No one has brought up pancetta on pizza, yet.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:41:44pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Discussing the good and evil of bacon. No one has brought up pancetta on pizza, yet.

Things that shouldn’t go on pizza:

fruits and/or vegetables (sauce doesn’t count)

Things that should go on pizza:

meats

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:42:20pm

re: #161 electrotek

By the way, today

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

It proves you’re not Muslim or Jewish.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:43:42pm

re: #199 KGxvi

Things that shouldn’t go on pizza:

fruits and/or vegetables (sauce doesn’t count)

Things that should go on pizza:

meats

Asparagus and artichoke were two of the best pizzas in our village. Italians really aren’t snobby about pizza or wine.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:43:54pm

I think I’ll give up bacon and buy a Prius, just to own the yokels.

Nah, we don’t do stupid stuff like that.

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:44:28pm

re: #190 electrotek

And they are the first to go straight to their utility company and bitch about their electricity bill and demand a credit.

Or to bitch and throw a fit at their dealer’s service department after they’re told their not-paid-for-yet bromobile’s warranty was voided when they deleted a bunch of emissions equipment and changed their ECU tune to blow those big, black, gritty clouds.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:46:01pm

re: #203 TedStriker

Or to bitch at their dealer’s service department after they’re told their not-paid-for-yet bromobile’s warranty was voided when they deleted a bunch of emissions equipment and changed their ECU tune to blow those big, black, gritty clouds.

Which makes it even more funnier to see their posts in the diesel truck FB groups about their warranty being denied because of those mods.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:46:41pm

re: #183 KGxvi

Ana Marie Cox’s podcast is about this issue today. Basically, the way many white people unconsciously internalize whiteness leaves them with a very large blind spot to their own racist acts (I’m not all the way through the pod, but that’s what I’ve gathered thus far).

And I don’t do podcasts, so I can’t comment on that specifically. BUT…

“Racist” and “Racism” are so charged anymore that it’s almost the worst thing you could accuse someone of being. Not being a racist is so important to white people that we will refuse to even consider that something we said, or something we thought was racist. We will deny it to the last breath.

That means, if you DO have a racist thought, or feeling, you can’t acknowledge it, because that would destroy your belief that you are The Least Racist Person You’ll Ever Meet, that you Don’t Have A Racist Bone In [Your] Body.

Okay, so what happens when you find yourself having a racist feeling, then? Like, say, when you see a black guy driving a nice car, and “How’d he get that?” crosses your mind? Well, you couldn’t POSSIBLY have a racist thought, so it must be something else! It must be justified, somehow! Next thing you know, you’re saying “They should just comply with police!” or defending racial profiling. It’s not YOU, it couldn’t be YOU. It must be THEM.

I’ve said before, I grew up Whitey McWhiteGuy, from Whitesville, Whitesylvania, with essentially NO black people I interacted with regularly. So my ignorance leads to racist thoughts popping into my head, like the one above, which I literally found myself thinking. My response - I say to myself, “WHOA!! Now THAT was a racist thought!” and I remind myself it’s ME, not THEM.

You’ll never rid yourself of racist thoughts and feelings you don’t acknowledge as racist. But if your self-image depends on being The Least Racist Person You’ll Ever Meet, you’ll never acknowledge them. Gotta put a name on it to fix it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:48:04pm

re: #161 electrotek

By the way, today

Why does consuming bacon make you appear to be more patriotic?

Dunno. Red and white stripes?
//

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:48:06pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Asparagus and artichoke were two of the best pizzas in our village. Italians really aren’t snobby about pizza or wine.

Mostly, I don’t really care what people put on their own pizzas. I only really care about what goes on mine. And usually that means pepperoni and/or sausage and occasionally the meat lover’s.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:50:42pm

re: #183 KGxvi

Ana Marie Cox’s podcast is about this issue today. Basically, the way many white people unconsciously internalize whiteness leaves them with a very large blind spot to their own racist acts (I’m not all the way through the pod, but that’s what I’ve gathered thus far).

Last year I was chatting with a client who was about to take a job in Korea. I asked him if he was worried at all about moving there because of the North/South political hostilities.
He responded: “I’m a black man in Texas. What do I have to worry about in Korea?”

Duh. Yes, I’m blind.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:50:46pm

re: #207 KGxvi

Mostly, I don’t really care what people put on their own pizzas. I only really care about what goes on mine. And usually that means pepperoni and/or sausage and occasionally the meat lover’s.

I usually pull up a picture of “fruta di mare” pizza, but I don’t want to look at the clam shells and dangling tentacles right now. (The worst pizza IMHO is “viennese”—freakin’ hot dog slices.)

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:51:32pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

A lot of that is covered in the pod, I believe (again, I’m only about 20 minutes into it or so). The guest is former Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges, who spends a lot of time on this issue. It’s a fascinating discussion thus far.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:52:41pm

re: #159 mmmirele

I am Whitey McWhiterson. Every single family line I have been able to trace out, the ancestors arrived no later than 1720. And my ancestors migrated from the northeast and mid-Atlantic to the South and border states. The thing about my ancestors is they were landless white people who moved every generation or more often. My maternal great-grandmother was born in Tennessee in 1890, and before she died in California in 1984, she had lived in Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma. She was not unusual. Most took the Tennessee > Kentucky > Arkansas > Texas >Oklahoma route. It’s kind of amazing to find ancestors of both sides of my family in the same counties in the same states at the same time. Poor white people, not tradesmen, but sharecroppers.

What I want to know is how the wealthy white plantation owners kept the poorer whites pacified. Anyone got some reading on that?

Many were moved to marginal areas that were not suitable for plantation agriculture, ie the hills. This why most of the anti-Confederate sentiment in the south was concentrated in the Appalachian highlands. There were few slaves in the area and there were ancient resentments against the lowland planter class. In the areas where planters (big slave holders) and white small farmers were mixed, the planters consciously set out to emulate European aristocrats, taking a paternalistic interest in their inferiors while limiting education and information to their own class, and exacting loyalty in return. It was these illiterate small farmers who supplied the bulk of the Confederate army’s manpower, while planters and urban merchants supplied the officers.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:52:50pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

I usually pull up a picture of “fruta di mare” pizza, but I don’t want to look at the clam shells and dangling tentacles right now. (The worst pizza IMHO is “viennese”—freakin’ hot dog slices.)

They should stick to schnitzel and strudel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:56:32pm

re: #210 KGxvi

A lot of that is covered in the pod, I believe (again, I’m only about 20 minutes into it or so). The guest is former Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges, who spends a lot of time on this issue. It’s a fascinating discussion thus far.

I benefitted vicariously by my brother (Hawaii Bro, formerly North Carolina Bro), who told me about a Racial Reconciliation discussion group they had at his church, which had a mixed black and white congregation. He learned a lot about not only inherent bias, but also about the white need for personal exoneration. He told the group about how one of his coworkers told racist jokes, and he never stopped him or said anything, but he felt bad about it. And one of his black friends from the congregation said, “How can I ever trust you now?”

Stunning realization for him, that it wasn’t enough to feel bad about it, and it wasn’t her place to make it okay for him that he didn’t do anything about it.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:56:59pm

This motherfucker:

Asked about Kaepernick’s return, Trump said: “Only if he’s good enough. … If he was good enough, they’d hire him. Why wouldn’t he play if he was good enough?

“I think if he was good enough, I know the owners, I know Bob Kraft, I know so many of the owners, if he’s good enough, they’d sign him,” Trump said. “So if he’s good enough, I know these people — they would sign him in a heartbeat. They will do anything they can to win games.

“Frankly, I’d love to see Kaepernick come in, if he’s good enough. But I don’t want to see him come in because somebody thinks it’s a good PR move. If he’s good enough, he will be in.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:58:01pm

re: #214 KGxvi

This motherfucker:

He was good enough until your buddies blacklisted him.

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Chrysicat  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:58:33pm

re: #199 KGxvi

Things that shouldn’t go on pizza:

fruits and/or vegetables (sauce doesn’t count)

Things that should go on pizza:

meats

The irony that meat only ever got on in the first place thanks to changing the recipe for Americans.

As for me, mushroom and black olive belong on pizza. Possibly bell pepper. I don’t personally prefer big slices of fresh tomato, but the rest of the family does, so those go on once we get it back home or if it’s a home-bake pizza.

Meat-wise, ham or CDN bacon is ok; sausage crumbles are best; pepperoni only belongs there if it has one of the other two.

And I don’t despise “Hawaiian” either, but I’ll sooner order the sausage—mushroom—olive from the Hut than that one.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:58:36pm

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wonder how South Korea’s secret nuclear program is coming along? How do I know there is one? How could there not be?

Let’s hope for their sake there is.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2019 • 1:58:57pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Many were moved to marginal areas that were not suitable for plantation agriculture, ie the hills. This why most of the anti-Confederate sentiment in the south was concentrated in the Appalachian highlands. There were few slaves in the area and there were ancient resentments against the lowland planter class. In the areas where planters (big slave holders) and white small farmers were mixed, the planters consciously set out to emulate European aristocrats, taking a paternalistic interest in their inferiors while limiting education and information to their own class, and exacting loyalty in return. It was these illiterate small farmers who supplied the bulk of the Confederate army’s manpower, while planters and urban merchants supplied the officers.

And they were willing to die for the right to own something they could never afford. If you play with the economic numbers, a slave cost about as much as a Lexus. Most of the grunts were sold a life-long bill of bullshit by their parents, pastors, and betters.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:00:39pm

re: #210 KGxvi

A lot of that is covered in the pod, I believe

The one thing that I absolutely fucking hate about pods is that no provision is made for those of us who are hard (or have no) hearing to understand what is discussed.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:00:43pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

He was good enough until your buddies blacklisted him because you spent a year demagoguing him for exercising his First Amendment Rights.

Edited for accuracy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:00:53pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

He was good enough until your buddies blacklisted him.

Honestly, based on that workout video he posted a couple of days ago, he’s STILL good enough.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:01:20pm

re: #159 mmmirele

I am Whitey McWhiterson. Every single family line I have been able to trace out, the ancestors arrived no later than 1720. And my ancestors migrated from the northeast and mid-Atlantic to the South and border states. The thing about my ancestors is they were landless white people who moved every generation or more often. My maternal great-grandmother was born in Tennessee in 1890, and before she died in California in 1984, she had lived in Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma. She was not unusual. Most took the Tennessee > Kentucky > Arkansas > Texas >Oklahoma route. It’s kind of amazing to find ancestors of both sides of my family in the same counties in the same states at the same time. Poor white people, not tradesmen, but sharecroppers.

What I want to know is how the wealthy white plantation owners kept the poorer whites pacified. Anyone got some reading on that?

I believe Lyndon Johnson had a bead on that:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:04:19pm

re: #214 KGxvi

This motherfucker:

All he knows how to do is respond in the moment. If the next person had asked about kneeling, he would have gone off on every American football player, every other football player, and anyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:04:43pm

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly, based on that workout video he posted a couple of days ago, he’s STILL good enough.

Yeah true.

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:10:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:10:58pm

I saw a meme today*,

I thought, “Sure. Let’s play the “Lets Imagine Game”! Imagine if dogs killed 40,000 people every year, but one party kept saying “It’s not the dogs! It’s the video games!” Or if countries that heavily regulated dogs, only handful of people were killed by dogs. Or if dog stores sold dogs on the basis of how many people they could kill? Or if somebody drove 600 miles so his dog could kill Mexicans? Or if somebody’s dog killed 20 first graders in a matter of a few minutes, and one party said, “You know, we really need a lot more dogs!”

Let’s imagine if you substituted “Nuclear Bomb” for “gun” in all the gun advocates’ arguments:

“Nuclear bombs don’t kill people! People kill people!”

“A nuclear bomb all by itself never killed anyone! It’s the video games!”

“You can have my nuclear bomb when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!”

* When I wrote “I saw a meme today”, I immediately thought “Oh, boy.” You know, from the Beatles song A Day In The Life?”

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:15:15pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

Bulldogs Pitbulls.

Think of how we as a society reacted to bulldogs pitbull(I have been bitten by one, though luckily she didn’t want to do anything more than scare me.)

Edited because I didn’t get the dog right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:15:56pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

I actually can’t even imagine an animal that, if kept as pets, would kill 40,000 people a year. I mean, wild animal pets kill a couple people and we regulate the living shit out of them for that very reason. So, yeah, imagine if dogs killed 40,000 people a year - do you think ANYONE would be allowed to own one?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:16:04pm

re: #227 Belafon

Bulldogs.

Think of how we as a society reacted to bulldogs (I have been bitten by one, though luckily she didn’t want to do anything more than scare me.)

Pitbulls.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:17:04pm

re: #227 Belafon

Bulldogs.

Think of how we as a society reacted to bulldogs (I have been bitten by one, though luckily she didn’t want to do anything more than scare me.)

You mean Pit Bulls? Yeah.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:21:08pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Diesel smells like shit, bacon not-so-much.

There are certain substrains of Diesel that don’t smell too bad, but…what? Never mind.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:21:08pm

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pitbulls.

You are correct. I edited mine.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:22:34pm

re: #231 Barefoot Grin

There are certain substrains of Diesel that don’t smell too bad, but…what? Never mind.

Mmmm, I love the smell of burned diesel fuel. There’s nothing quite like it. I can do without the black plumes of smoke that those assholes like to leave behind, though.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:23:25pm

re: #232 Belafon

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pitbulls.

Delta tried to ban pitbull service animals, and got slapped down by the DOT.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:41:22pm
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A Cranky One  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:43:29pm

Pitbulls are terriers. Terriers have a mind of their own and aren’t dogs that are anxious to please their humans. So they require good training, started early. Sadly many folks don’t realize that which leads to trouble.

Don’t get me wrong, terriers are great companions and can be very loving. But they do have a mind of their own.

I have 5 dogs. Mrs. Cranky asked the vet if we are dog hoarders and she replied not yet. The vet then asked what types of dogs and when told 4 of them are terriers replied “What, are you crazy?”

Edit to clarify.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:45:44pm

re: #228 Blind Frog Belly White

I actually can’t even imagine an animal that, if kept as pets, would kill 40,000 people a year. I mean, wild animal pets kill a couple people and we regulate the living shit out of them for that very reason. So, yeah, imagine if dogs killed 40,000 people a year - do you think ANYONE would be allowed to own one?

And if your dog kills, or even maims, someone, what do they do with it?

They confiscate it and destroy it.

That dog argument ain’t the best argument I’ve seen of late.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:47:00pm

re: #237 makeitstop

“a few mad dogs”

if one attacked a school and ripped the throats out of a dozen kids, we would seriously reconsider the situation

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:50:47pm
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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 2:57:29pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

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“Radio Edit”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 9, 2019 • 3:06:21pm

re: #167 electrotek

I’ve read that pork is pretty popular in Armenia—roast piglet is the traditional New Year dish—and my Armenian cookbook includes pork. Korovats (kebab) is traditionally pork, very similar to Georgian mtsvadi, which I had in Tblisi. I mean, while Armenia used to be an Ottoman holding, for a century it’s been Soviet and both law and supply have allowed for pork consumption…and they’re right next to Georgia, which has great pigs (and great everything agricultural)….

Armenian food definitely…converses…with (halal) Turkish food, and I would wonder if the Armenian diaspora through Ottoman holdings meant that there’s a split within the food culture, where Armenians living mostly among Muslims shift away from pork entirely, but people in Armenia proper still raised and ate pigs.

(I was just in Georgia and Turkey, so this subject is very present for me.)

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2019 • 3:12:38pm

re: #241 The Ghost of a Flea

I’ve read that pork is pretty popular in Armenia—roast piglet is the traditional New Year dish—and my Armenian cookbook includes pork. Korovats (kebab) is traditionally pork, very similar to Georgian mtsvadi, which I had in Tblisi. I mean, while Armenia used to be an Ottoman holding, for a century it’s been Soviet and both law and supply have allowed for pork consumption…and they’re right next to Georgia, which has great pigs (and great everything agricultural)….

Armenian food definitely…converses…with (halal) Turkish food, and I would wonder if the Armenian diaspora through Ottoman holdings meant that there’s a split within the food culture, where Armenians living mostly among Muslims shift away from pork entirely, but people in Armenia proper still raised and ate pigs.

(I was just in Georgia and Turkey, so this subject is very present for me.)

Yeah Armenia’s Soviet influence has had an effect on their culinary habits, which explains why pork is a delicacy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2019 • 3:36:57pm

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trumpets will simply gloat and cite this as evidence of what superior people they are since THEY have health insurance and the old couple did not.

I’m betting the old couple DID have health insurance, but they no longer had the income stream to cover the deductibles and co-pays.


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