Jeffrey Epstein Kills Himself, or So We’re Being Told

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You probably know that I’m no conspiracy addict. But when a very rich, powerful man connected to many other rich, powerful men in a suspected child sex trafficking ring “kills himself” while in custody at one of the most secure facilities in the US, well…

Don’t worry, though, our thoroughly honest and impartial Attorney General is going to investigate.

More is already coming out, and it stinks.

Right wing Twitter is already certain they know who’s responsible, of course.

UPDATE at 8/10/19 11:58:42 am by Charles Johnson
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265 comments

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Semper Fi  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:23:39am

There is one hell-of-a-lot of corruption goin’ on…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:25:17am

I fully expected wife beater D’Souza to join in with the Clinton Body Count crap!

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:27:36am
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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:27:53am

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

I fully expected wife beater D’Souza to join in with the Clinton Body Count crap!

Oh, they’ll get the whole damn band back together for this one, I’m sure.

Nobody wants to miss the chance to hop back on that hobby horse, even as old and rickety as it is.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:28:28am

It’s a Rorschach test. Epstein’s dead. He did it. Who that *he* is is the question that seems to depend on what conspiracy you’re willing to consider.

It’s also increasingly clear that MCC screwed up by allowing him to be in a non-protective custody/suicide watch section, given that his earlier incident suggested that he might be a suicide risk.

That’s on the MCC, and ultimately DOJ headed by Barr.

Someone screwed up in their analysis and examination of the facts. There was no reason to consider him anything other than a potential suicide risk. That heightened scrutiny would mean more eyes on him and less opportunity to kill himself.

He killed himself is the most likely outcome of an examination. That he was allowed to do so is on the DOJ. They fucked up.

So of course Clinton is to blame. Never mind that the recent info release in the case from the past 24 hours put Epstein engaging in human trafficking at Mar a Lago by soliciting and ultimately getting an underage girl there to go with Epstein to engage in sex acts with men.

Never mind that Lynne Patton who is part of Trumpworld and is in the USG, is claiming the Clintons did it. Trumpworld never met a conspiracy theory it couldn’t amplify, especially to deflect attention from their own wrongdoing (or practically everything else).

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:29:33am
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retired cynic  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:32:14am
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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:36:07am

The question is who decided he should be taken off Suicide Watch and put in the SHU.

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retired cynic  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:41:49am

From the comments for the Pierce column:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:42:11am

This story just reeks. Of course it’s possible he really did kill himself. But there’s A LOT wrong here.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:43:15am

re: #6 lawhawk

Well now - that seems to have been a rather huge mistake.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:47:51am

So many disparate people and factions want him dead that the conspiracy theories should be self-cancelling.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:48:31am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

This story just reeks. Of course it’s possible he really did kill himself. But there’s A LOT wrong here.

The being taken off of suicide watch alone is enough to open up conspiracy theories.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:50:22am

re: #12 Decatur Deb

So many disparate people and factions want him dead that the conspiracy theories should be self-cancelling.

Conspiracy theories never contradict each other. They can all he valid.

We also have to remember to talk about all of the other stuff Trump is doing.

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plansbandc  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:51:48am

I don’t believe he killed himself. I know, I’m a conspiracy theorist now.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:52:42am

Quite a few years ago I read G Gordon Liddy’s autobiography. In one of the chapters he described a “suicide with help.” Personally that is what I think this is.

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plansbandc  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:54:31am

I didn’t think for even a second that once he got in custody, he would stay alive.

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:54:34am

It’s amazing what a couple of well placed millions can buy.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:56:16am

re: #13 Belafon

The being taken off of suicide watch alone is enough to open up conspiracy theories.

Exactly.

Personally, I think Epstein had every reason to kill himself. He was going away for good, and he damn well knew it.

There’s also that final little narcissistic element to it, like the serial killer Israel Keyes, who committed suicide before the full extent of his crimes could be uncovered (we may never know with any certainty how many people he killed) or Fred West, who along with his wife Rose, murdered several young women over the course of a couple of decades; he also chose suicide.

Most recently, there was the case of Ariel Castro, who killed himself one month into his life sentence.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:56:53am

re: #14 Belafon

Conspiracy theories never contradict each other. They can all he valid.

We also have to remember to talk about all of the other stuff Trump is doing.

There isn’t enough reality to go around.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2019 • 10:59:29am
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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:00:25am

A plausible conspiracy theory is that he was taken off SW and put in SHU with full knowledge and hope that he’d likely kill himself.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:03:45am

Sounds like Epstein made a deal like Frankie Five Angels did.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:06:29am

re: #22 BigPapa

A plausible conspiracy theory is that he was taken off SW and put in SHU with full knowledge and hope that he’d likely kill himself.

My thinking is that someone blundered in taking Epstein off suicide watch and Epstein took full advantage of it. By killing himself, he avoids the consequences of his criminal acts.

Think of it like Hermann Göring; he cheated the hangman at Nuremberg by taking poison and killing himself. And it was also his final “fuck you” to the victorious Allies……like Hitler and Himmler and Martin Bormann, he chose to leave this world at the time and place of his own choosing - a final act of defiance.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:07:04am

re: #22 BigPapa

A plausible conspiracy theory is that he was taken off SW and put in SHU with full knowledge and hope that he’d likely kill himself.

Which is my theory. But that implicates people in that chain of command.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:09:41am

Imprisoned monsters used to be made of sterner stuff

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DangerMan  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:11:58am

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

My thinking is that someone blundered in taking Epstein off suicide watch and Epstein took full advantage of it. By killing himself, he avoids the consequences of his criminal acts.

Think of it like Hermann Göring; he cheated the hangman at Nuremberg by taking poison and killing himself. And it was also his final “fuck you” to the victorious Allies……like Hitler and Himmler and Martin Bormann, he chose to leave this world at the time and place of his own choosing - a final act of defiance.

Because they all knew what they were doing was evil and human justice would catch up eventually

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:14:48am

re: #8 BigPapa

The question is who decided he should be taken off Suicide Watch and put in the SHU.

THIS. BIG time.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:15:17am

From John Cole:

the thing to remember is that whether it was suicide or murder,NOTHING scares the rich and powerful men like accountability for their actions. Nothing. They’d rather kill themselves or have someone killed that account for their actions.

balloon-juice.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:15:43am

re: #27 DangerMan

Because they all knew what they were doing was evil and human justice would catch up eventually

Of course. But by ending their own lives, such monstrous men evade the consequences of their actions.

We’ve seen it glorified in pop culture for longer than I’ve been alive. “You’ll never take me alive, copper!” - who hasn’t heard that line? Or the legendary ending of White Heat……you know the one: “Made it Ma! Top of the world!!” as Cody Jarrett blows himself to kingdom come.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:16:06am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:16:27am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. BIG time.

Yeah, that seems to have been a colossal fuckup.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:18:48am
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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:19:02am

So I guess I’m flying solo on not believing there’s a conspiracy theory involved in Epstein’s suicide?

Sure, why not. I don’t have enough people thinking I’m a stooge in my life anyway, LOL.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:20:35am

I like the sign on the right:

Signs

m.dailykos.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:23:35am

I keep thinking this seems like a mob hit. A classic mob method to get rid of a possible snitch. And Jeffrey Epstein almost certainly was mobbed up, just like Trump. The shit is very deep around this bunch.

No camera. Taken off suicide watch even AFTER an apparent attempt only days before. Right after a big document dump that implicated a lot of people.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s recognizing that a lot of things about this smell really bad. It could absolutely be a monumental series of fuck-ups, that happens. But with such a high-profile prisoner I just can’t buy that without more info.

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:24:07am

I’m a little distracted right now, so I’m not sure what the temperature of the room is, but if Trump had Epstein killed, wouldn’t it stand to reason that others like Manafort, Cohen, Stone, et. al. would be dead by now?

I’m sure a rebuttal to the above is “This is different.Epstein may have had evidence that Trump was a child molester.”

My answer to that is: think of all the Trumpanzees and fucking idiot “independent” voters who voted for Trump in your life. Do you honestly think they’d accept that evidence, given every other shred of reality they’ve rejected over the last 3.5 years?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:25:26am

re: #34 Mattand

So I guess I’m flying solo on not believing there’s a conspiracy theory involved in Epstein’s suicide?

Sure, why not.

Personally, I don’t think there is. Such severely anti-social/malignant narcissistic personality types as Epstein are entirely likely to commit suicide rather than face the consequences of their prolific criminal acts.

The list is long and infamous: Fred West, Adolf Hitler, Ariel Castro, Herb Baumeister, Andrew Cunanan, Leonard Lake, Loren Herzog, Harold Shipman, etc., etc.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:26:09am

Personally, I doubt Trump himself is involved. But there were plenty of other highly connected people who would have strong motives.

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:27:24am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking this seems like a mob hit. A classic mob method to get rid of a possible snitch. And Jeffrey Epstein almost certainly was mobbed up, just like Trump. The shit is very deep around this bunch.

No camera. Taken off suicide watch even AFTER an apparent attempt only days before. Right after a big document dump that implicated a lot of people.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s recognizing that a lot of things about this smell really bad. It could absolutely be a monumental series of fuck-ups, that happens. But with such a high-profile prisoner I just can’t buy that without more info.

Everyone in the Executive Branch is a colossal fuck up, from Trump on down. The latest example is fucking Mick Mulvaney admitting on camera he’s moving the USDA to Kansas City for the express purpose of firing staff.

If someone, anyone, connected to this admistatration is responsible for Epstein’s suicide, we will know about it by Labor Day, if not sooner.

Also worth keeping in mind Seth Rich, QAnon, and all of the other shit the MAGAts wallow in, and how we rightly ridicule them for it.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:30:55am

re: #37 Mattand

The only conspiracy I wonder is why he was taken off suicide watch.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:31:14am
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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:32:19am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Personally, I doubt Trump himself is involved. But there were plenty of other highly connected people who would have strong motives.

Someone with a Russian surname…..
And a set of keys..

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:33:43am

re: #40 Mattand

If someone, anyone, connected to this admistatration is responsible for Epstein’s suicide, we will know about it by Labor Day, if not sooner.

Shit, if that’s the case, we’ll know about it by next Thursday afternoon.

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:33:46am

re: #41 Belafon

The only conspiracy I wonder is why he was taken off suicide watch.

Top of my head: rouge prison guard, who ironically is a MAGAt, hated child molesters more than he hates Teh Libz, and decided to play Bureaucratic Punisher.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:35:13am

re: #34 Mattand

So I guess I’m flying solo on not believing there’s a conspiracy theory involved in Epstein’s suicide?

Sure, why not. I don’t have enough people thinking I’m a stooge in my life anyway, LOL.

When they take away all your means, there’s always Occam’s Razor.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:35:18am

re: #40 Mattand

Everyone in the Executive Branch is a colossal fuck up, from Trump on down. The latest example is fucking Mick Mulvaney admitting on camera he’s moving the USDA to Kansas City for the express purpose of firing staff.

If someone, anyone, connected to this admistatration is responsible for Epstein’s suicide, we will know about it by Labor Day, if not sooner.

Also worth keeping in mind Seth Rich, QAnon, and all of the other shit the MAGAts wallow in, and how we rightly ridicule them for it.

Remember, though - this happened in Manhattan’s MCC, a facility known for severe security measures. The LA Times called it the “Guantanamo of New York.”

Epstein is far from the only high-profile, possibly suicidal prisoner they’ve had and the staff are supposed to be highly-trained experts at this.

Sure, fuck-ups could still happen, anywhere. But a lot had to go wrong for this to happen accidentally.

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Teukka  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:35:52am

Here we go again :’(

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:37:24am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

When they take away all your means, there’s always Occam’s Razor.

I’ve already had to argue that once on FB with a really intelligent guy I get along with, and he’s not backing down.

From what little I’ve read here, I might be walking into a similar buzzsaw.

I’m just going to post a screed on FB, get everyone mad at me, and get back to work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:38:53am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

This story just reeks. Of course it’s possible he really did kill himself. But there’s A LOT wrong here.

Too convenient for too many people.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:39:01am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

R Kelly is there. El Chapo is there.

Those are two other high profile prisoners awaiting trial in the facility.

First thought after this news was that they better double down on security for those two.

The place has a long history of problems and high profile detainees.

Until we know more and a confirmed autopsy, it’s an alleged suicide for me.

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:39:19am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Remember, though - this happened in Manhattan’s MCC, a facility known for severe security measures. The LA Times called it the “Guantanamo of New York.”

Epstein is far from the only high-profile, possibly suicidal prisoner they’ve had and the staff are supposed to be highly-trained experts at this.

Sure, fuck-ups could still happen, anywhere. But a lot had to go wrong for this to happen accidentally.

I’m going with my rouge guard theory. Makes a lot more sense than someone in Trumpworld, a known wretched hive incompetence and idiocy, finally getting their Lex Luthor on correctly.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:39:53am

re: #49 Mattand

I’ve already had to argue that once on FB with a really intelligent guy I get along with, and he’s not backing down.

From what little I’ve read here, I might be walking into a similar buzzsaw.

I’m just going to post a screed on FB, get everyone mad at me, and get back to work.

There is no way in hell most people are going to believe any explanation, even the true one. So fuck it.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:40:05am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing the whine that since he was in MCC he wasn’t under Federal custody……

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:41:47am

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

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Well now - that seems to have been a rather huge mistake.

Who is this “person familiar with the matter”. No name?

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:45:18am

re: #34 Mattand

So I guess I’m flying solo on not believing there’s a conspiracy theory involved in Epstein’s suicide?

Sure, why not. I don’t have enough people thinking I’m a stooge in my life anyway, LOL.

Depends on your definition of conspiracy.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:45:25am

Nicholas Tartaglione, Epstein’s cellmate:

“On April 11, 2016, Martin Luna, Miguel Luna, Urbano Santiago, and Hector Gutierrez, went missing after last being seen entering a bar owned by Tartaglione’s brother. The bar, Likquid Lounge, in Chester, New York, was the site of Martin Luna’s murder, prosecutors say. Authorities allege that the three other men were taken to Otisville, New York, where they were shot dead.

Prosecutors described the killings of the four men as being “gangland-style,” reports the New York Times.”

………..
“In March 2019, it was announced that prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against Tartaglione.”
…….

“Earlier in July, Prison Guards Confiscated a Cell Phone from Tartaglione”
heavy.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:46:14am

This is what I mean. A lot of this just seems very shady to me.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:46:46am

re: #55 Old Liberal

Who is this “person familiar with the matter”. No name?

An anonymous source, most likely a source not authorized to speak publicly about such matters.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:50:44am

re: #57 jaunte

Nicholas Tartaglione, Epstein’s cellmate:

I though Epstein was alone.

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mmmirele  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:51:29am

Keith Raniere (leader of the NXIVM cult, convicted in June of various crimes, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and conspiracy to commit forced labor) is in the Brooklyn MDC (also a federal hellhole). He’s still alive and waiting for sentencing. At least his victims got some justice in being able to testify against him. While he did have some connections, compared to Epstein he was a loser. I don’t know if he’s been placed on suicide watch or not.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:52:29am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

An anonymous source, most likely a source not authorized to speak publicly about such matters.

We’ve had enough of those. And why hasn’t anyone identified made a statement? Because they are concicting a story just like the cops do when someone dies in custody. I don’t believe any more the “putting the facts together “. Like giving cops days before they have to make a statement. It ain’t to get the truth.

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mmmirele  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:52:49am

re: #54 Dave In Austin

I’m hearing the whine that since he was in MCC he wasn’t under Federal custody……

Quoting from Wikipedia: “The Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York (MCC New York) is a United States federal administrative detention facility in Manhattan, New York which holds male and female prisoners of all security levels. It is operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, a division of the United States Department of Justice.”

en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:53:20am

re: #60 Belafon

From the first attempt, July 23:

Epstein had initially been held in general population at MCC, where he’d been targeted for extortion as a wealthy pedophile, a source with knowledge of his circumstances told The Daily Beast, describing Epstein’s injuries from his prior alleged suicide attempt as small abrasions around his neck. …

At the time of [that] attempt, he shared a cell with Nicholas Tartaglione, a former police officer charged with kidnapping and murdering four people in 2016. …

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William Lewis  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:56:06am

Somehow I think he probably did kill himself once the suicide watch was lifted. All it takes is that moment of black dog in the middle of the night - and he a pretty good grounds for it knowing he’d never be free again. But it is awfully helpful to the people who refused to help him once he was busted and I hope the civil suit (since it can continue against the estate) can turn up the dirt against certain un-indicted co-conspirators… ;)

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:56:45am

re: #64 jaunte

From the first attempt, July 23:

So the man who could bring down the most powerful people in the world was in general, then with a murderer. Sounds well-run.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 11:59:33am

re: #66 Old Liberal

Tartaglione looks like someone the movies would cast as a strangler.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:01:56pm

re: #65 William Lewis

Somehow I think he probably did kill himself once the suicide watch was lifted. All it takes is that moment of black dog in the middle of the night - and he a pretty good grounds for it knowing he’d never be free again. But it is awfully helpful to the people who refused to help him once he was busted and I hope the civil suit (since it can continue against the estate) can turn up the dirt against certain un-indicted co-conspirators… ;)

And it only takes a few minutes. A good example of that is the death of RAF (aka the Baader-Meinhof Gang) founder Gudrun Ensslin, who hanged herself in her prison cell in 1977. There’s photos, which I won’t link, but suffice it to say, she ended her own life within minutes. And that’s all it takes - a few unguarded minutes.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:03:54pm

FWIW I think he killed himself most likely. The help was from everyone looking the other way intentionally and perhaps as suggested by “person familiar with the matter wink wink”. If they wanted him alive he’d be alive. Willful absence of care in hopes of this outcome.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:07:11pm

They are reporting that he hung himself.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:09:09pm

Many of Epstein’s victims are still alive to tell their stories.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:12:59pm
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ericblair  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:17:10pm

re: #71 jaunte

Many of Epstein’s victims are still alive to tell their stories.

From my understanding of what the law talking guys are currently saying: criminal case against Epstein is/will now be dismissed since he is the only one charged; however, the current civil cases go ahead against Epstein’s estate and no evidence can be excluded from the search of his house since nobody now has any standing to object.

Like everything else, 24 hour wait rule is probably a good idea. However, this really, really stinks.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:19:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:24:08pm

re: #69 Old Liberal

FWIW I think he killed himself most likely. The help was from everyone looking the other way intentionally and perhaps as suggested by “person familiar with the matter wink wink”. If they wanted him alive he’d be alive. Willful absence of care in hopes of this outcome.

That’s a possibility. He may even have bribed guards to look the other way.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:33:56pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:38:33pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:42:25pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

Epstein killing himself is a final “go fuck yourself” to his victims (in addition to not having to answer for his crimes). They’ll never get to speak at a sentencing hearing, or be able to confront him from the witness stand.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:43:38pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:45:10pm

Now *this* is a conspiracy theory!

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:48:02pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:49:07pm

The usual suspects: Killary, Obama Bin Laden, Soros, Comey, AOC…

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:50:27pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:51:43pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:51:47pm
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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:54:06pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:54:48pm

I was just at Kyle Griffin’s Twitter page and this reply to one of his comments just jumped out at me. I made a screen grab. Is this rage furby posing as an El Paso hero?

his Alan Beyer guy seems to be a total fabrication. Awful stuff.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:56:02pm

Of course.

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stpaulbear  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:57:52pm

Here’s the Kyle Griffin post that has the comment.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:58:08pm
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b.d.  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:59:16pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They were going to talk to the guards who were on duty but they resigned and moved to the Bahamas.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:59:35pm

re: #85 Dread Pirate

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If Epstein’s house mysteriously burns down, then we’ll have a real conspiracy.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 12:59:59pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

That’s a guy named Villatoro who was apparently at the shooting, and just looks a little like RageFurby. He’s a Trump supporter.

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stpaulbear  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:07:08pm

re: #93 jaunte

That’s a guy named Villatoro who was apparently at the shooting, and just looks a little like RageFurby. He’s a Trump supporter.

Thanks. I need new glasses.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:10:00pm

I wish the Right had shown this much concern on Sandra Bland’s suicide 4 years ago.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:12:57pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

I was just at Kyle Griffin’s Twitter page and this reply to one of his comments just jumped out at me. I made a screen grab. Is this rage furby posing as an El Paso hero?

his Alan Beyer guy seems to be a total fabrication. Awful stuff.

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That does sorta look like him, but I checked and that’s a guy named Jimmy Villatoro. Another photo here: dailymail.co.uk

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Jay C  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:15:03pm

re: #83 jaunte

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Jeez, that’s a pretty tough letter from a Senator to an AG - unfortunately, even over the Internet, I detect a strong odor of bullshit wafting up from it. IIJM? Does Sasse really think Barr is going make any “heads roll” (above the night-shift jail-guard level) over the Epstein mess?

Maybe Sasse IS genuinely angry - but he is a Republican Senator, after all: ISTM he might just be being the Senate GOP’s point guy for the outrage-and-justice-for-the-victims bandwagon: he’s GOT to know what a godawful hack AG Barr is: I can’t credit that he would actually expect anything substantive out of Trump’s DoJ.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:16:24pm
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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:18:15pm

re: #97 Jay C

I don’t trust Ben Sasse any more than I trust Susan Collins.

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Jay C  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:18:42pm

re: #92 Belafon

If Epstein’s house mysteriously burns down, then we’ll have a real conspiracy.

Naah: if you’re talking about the E. 71st St. townhouse, that’s a prime piece of property: and now (I guess) a significant asset of Epstein’s estate (maybe one of the few left).

My suggestion would be to sell it, and distribute the proceeds to Epstein’s victims (though I’m unsure if such posthumous judgments are legal?).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:25:37pm

I’m back from town, with a whole Smart full of sweet corn. We’ll be spending a couple days canning corn.

In the meantime, all the conspiracy theory floating around from every corner of the Innertubz on how this or that rich person got a hit out, or someone paid a guard to look the other way, or all sorts of other conspiratorial nonsense with no evidence to claim powerful or rich people had him bumped off seems to ignore one fact:

a) All those apparently extortionist DVDs the FBI seized in the raid on his safe (plus any other evidence they got).

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. CNN notes about 18% of people ON suicide watch manage to commit suicide. Epstein was never going to get out of jail. Never.

Plenty of people who are not as high profile sentenced to life in prison commit suicide.

I’ll wait for some evidence that it was something else.

In the meantime, my useless Republicypher Senator Ben Sasse drew the short straw on being outraged in a letter. Big whoop. Where were you about the shootings, Sen. Sasse? We thought you were kidnapped you’ve been so quiet recently.

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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:26:00pm

re: #100 Jay C

Naah: if you’re talking about the E. 71st St. townhouse, that’s a prime piece of property: and now (I guess) a significant asset of Epstein’s estate (maybe one of the few left).

My suggestion would be to sell it, and distribute the proceeds to Epstein’s victims (though I’m unsure if such posthumous judgments are legal?).

I think they have to sue his estate now for any $. If he was found guilty and a judge ordered restitution then his property would be sold off.

I would think his victims confronting him with testimony and a sentencing hearing would be of more value to them than $, but it’s not for me to judge. I think there’s too many cats out of the bag for others to escape justice and this whole sordid tale to come to light. But Epstein denied his victims and that’s the shittiest thing about it to me.

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ericblair  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:27:12pm

re: #100 Jay C

Naah: if you’re talking about the E. 71st St. townhouse, that’s a prime piece of property: and now (I guess) a significant asset of Epstein’s estate (maybe one of the few left).

My suggestion would be to sell it, and distribute the proceeds to Epstein’s victims (though I’m unsure if such posthumous judgments are legal?).

Not a lawyer, but: the current civil suits by his victims will now be against Epstein’s estate. I imagine the executor of the estate will have to liquidate the property at some point to pay off judgments. I’d assume there will be more lawsuits filed in short order by anyone with a possible claim before his estate goes to probate.

Also, this raises an interesting point: who is the executor, and would he/she/they be replaced because of the, uh, special situation. Also, will they find all of his money, and what kind of extremely interesting information would that investigation turn up?

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steve_davis  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:27:24pm

re: #34 Mattand

So I guess I’m flying solo on not believing there’s a conspiracy theory involved in Epstein’s suicide?

Sure, why not. I don’t have enough people thinking I’m a stooge in my life anyway, LOL.

nah. i’m going with suicide. human nature is what it is. he took himself out. apparently was paying his lawyers to basically just show up and spend time with him so that he wouldn’t have to spend time thinking about things in his cell.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:30:24pm

re: #102 BigPapa

I think they have to sue his estate now for any $. If he was found guilty and a judge ordered restitution then his property would be sold off.

I would think his victims confronting him with testimony and a sentencing hearing would be of more value to them than $, but it’s not for me to judge. I think there’s too many cats out of the bag for others to escape justice and this whole sordid tale to come to light. But Epstein denied his victims and that’s the shittiest thing about it to me.

This “justice denied to the victims” line assumes all victims are exactly the same.

I know with someone as rich and powerful as Epstein I wouldn’t want to go up on a witness stand, and then again when he appealed his sentence, for as long as his money could carry on a case. Tearing apart every little detail about my life, dissected by the press, all sorts of conspiracies made up about me, death threats, you name it.

There are many reasons rape and child sexual assault victims don’t come forward, and that’s one of them: The public’s endless fascination about knowing every detail of your life, and a defence attorney impugning your credibility.

The last thing I wanted as a child fifty years ago was to get dragged out into public; all I wanted to do is get away.

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steve_davis  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:31:11pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Personally, I doubt Trump himself is involved. But there were plenty of other highly connected people who would have strong motives.

I don’t see it. Prosecutors didn’t need his testimony for anything and they weren’t by any accounts working with him. So killing him really does nothing towards helping anybody else.

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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:34:30pm

re: #106 steve_davis

The time to snuff out Epstein was long ago. Once he was arrested and his homes raided it was too late. His mouth, if he cooperated, would probably have filled in a few gaps but otherwise to much evidence may already be in play. Those DVDs? Oh boy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:38:51pm

Just the thought of Epstein’s will naming Trump as his executor…

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b.d.  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:41:52pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:42:20pm

Right. Clinton can reach right into Trump’s jail to murder an alleged star witness against Demon-rat tyranny and these shlubs think their AR-15s will protect them from that kind of power? Give up, Repubs, it’s all rigged. In particular, stop voting or giving money to GOP candidates. Who knows where the Clinton death machine will strike next?

Facebook Post

For those who don’t know, Wilkes is an influential radio station owner and talk show host in Lubbock.

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b.d.  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:50:15pm

Checks out……

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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:51:46pm

re: #111 b.d.

What can we say? The math works. ThankQ

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:52:52pm

Thread, eight tweets.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:52:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:53:41pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

This is what I mean. A lot of this just seems very shady to me.

[Embedded content]

as if this the very first time this has ever happened…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:54:29pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The link tells me “page not found.”

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ericblair  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:57:34pm

re: #107 BigPapa

The time to snuff out Epstein was long ago. Once he was arrested and his homes raided it was too late. His mouth, if he cooperated, would probably have filled in a few gaps but otherwise to much evidence may already be in play. Those DVDs? Oh boy.

My thoughts as well. This pushes forward a number of timelines: Epstein could have stalled things for years I believe. Plus, there’s his finances, which are plugged into the rivers of international dark money which is the lifeblood of the global corrupt autocracy we’re suffering through now. Does anybody have a good idea how much the plaintiffs can compel investigations of his estate’s finances?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 1:58:53pm

Two can play the Q Game!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:01:24pm

Wildly NSFW and off-topic:

Gillian Anderson’s birthday was yesterday. Someone did a comparison of various pictures of her to an NSFW object.

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gwangung  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:01:59pm

re: #117 ericblair

My thoughts as well. This pushes forward a number of timelines: Epstein could have stalled things for years I believe. Plus, there’s his finances, which are plugged into the rivers of international dark money which is the lifeblood of the global corrupt autocracy we’re suffering through now. Does anybody have a good idea how much the plaintiffs can compel investigations of his estate’s finances?

If they start filing now, I bet they can forestall a lot of monkey business…

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:02:04pm

re: #97 Jay C

Jeez, that’s a pretty tough letter from a Senator to an AG - unfortunately, even over the Internet, I detect a strong odor of bullshit wafting up from it. IIJM? Does Sasse really think Barr is going make any “heads roll” (above the night-shift jail-guard level) over the Epstein mess?

Maybe Sasse IS genuinely angry - but he is a Republican Senator, after all: ISTM he might just be being the Senate GOP’s point guy for the outrage-and-justice-for-the-victims bandwagon: he’s GOT to know what a godawful hack AG Barr is: I can’t credit that he would actually expect anything substantive out of Trump’s DoJ.

He voted to confirm the known liar and fixit man Barr

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:02:59pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

Hey, during WWII someone fell out of an airplane (bomb bay door) and survived because snow. You’d probably be okay.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:03:24pm

LMAO seeing that chart linking Ginger Snapped and Cernovich to Epstein!

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:06:05pm

I wonder if Ben Sasse thinks an investigation will lead back to the ebil lib’ruls — or to the Clintons.

(I’ve never been really impressed with his intellect.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:06:16pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

Yikes.

I note in the article the RCMP is investigating to see if criminal activity was involved. The company which owns the cable car is also investigating, a technical standards company is, as is the company which made the cable.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:07:47pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yikes.

I note in the article the RCMP is investigating to see if criminal activity was involved. The company which owns the cable car is also investigating, a technical standards company is, as is the company which made the cable.

…although you’d think criminals would want to knock down a full one.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:08:05pm

Comic relief:
Congressman Louie Gohmert opposes gun control because gay marriage leads to bestiality

Speaking on gun control, U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas says why limit the number of rounds in a magazine because “it’s kind of like marriage when you say it’s not a man and a woman any more, then why not have three men and one woman, or four women and one man, or why not somebody has a love for an animal?”

So, gay marriage means you could marry your horse? Well, Gohmert’s wife married a horse’s ass, so I don’t know what his complaint is.

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sagehen  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:08:15pm

re: #103 ericblair

Not a lawyer, but: the current civil suits by his victims will now be against Epstein’s estate. I imagine the executor of the estate will have to liquidate the property at some point to pay off judgments. I’d assume there will be more lawsuits filed in short order by anyone with a possible claim before his estate goes to probate.

Also, this raises an interesting point: who is the executor, and would he/she/they be replaced because of the, uh, special situation. Also, will they find all of his money, and what kind of extremely interesting information would that investigation turn up?

The executor is in no position to defend the “did he or didn’t he do what he’s accused of” part of the case, so that’ll speed things up. He/she can only argue how much compensation is appropriate, and figure out how to distribute assets if there’s not enough to go around (we don’t know yet how many claimants there’ll be).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:08:48pm

re: #123 Joe Bacon 🌹

LMAO seeing that chart linking Ginger Snapped and Cernovich to Epstein!

Could someone send it to either a QAnon thread on Twitter, or directly to Rage Furby and Mike Cernovich? (Or could that be construed as libel, in which case don’t.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:10:28pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking on gun control, U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas says why limit the number of rounds in a magazine because “it’s kind of like marriage when you say it’s not a man and a woman any more, then why not have three men and one woman, or four women and one man, or why not somebody has a love for an animal?”

Hey Rep. Gohmert, all of that is permissible in the Bible you thump.

Are you anti-Christian?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:12:30pm

re: #126 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

…although you’d think criminals would want to knock down a full one.

Well, I suppose that depends on if it was murder on their minds or simply property damage.

If murder was the intent, it could be sabotage gone wrong (set up to fail when it was filled with passengers, but failed early in the morning).

Or maybe it was just a mechanical failure. They seem to have the right people investigating to sort it out.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:13:30pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

or why not somebody has a love for an animal?”

Does Gohmert even speak English?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:15:48pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:15:56pm

re: #132 jaunte

Does Gohmert even speak English?

Barely.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:16:27pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gohmert represents a state where bestiality is still legal. Just sayin’.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:16:30pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Not that I’m casting asparagus.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:17:05pm

re: #132 jaunte

Does Gohmert even speak English?

If you ever wonder where these people get their half-baked religious notions, just try to imagine a bunch of semi-literate bumpkins trying to understand the King James Bible.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:17:29pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m back from town, with a whole Smart full of sweet corn. We’ll be spending a couple days canning corn.

In the meantime, all the conspiracy theory floating around from every corner of the Innertubz on how this or that rich person got a hit out, or someone paid a guard to look the other way, or all sorts of other conspiratorial nonsense with no evidence to claim powerful or rich people had him bumped off seems to ignore one fact:

a) All those apparently extortionist DVDs the FBI seized in the raid on his safe (plus any other evidence they got).

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. CNN notes about 18% of people ON suicide watch manage to commit suicide. Epstein was never going to get out of jail. Never.

Plenty of people who are not as high profile sentenced to life in prison commit suicide.

I’ll wait for some evidence that it was something else.

In the meantime, my useless Republicypher Senator Ben Sasse drew the short straw on being outraged in a letter. Big whoop. Where were you about the shootings, Sen. Sasse? We thought you were kidnapped you’ve been so quiet recently.

Evidence from whom? A summary from AG Barr perhaps? As for all the tapes I remember how Mueller had a boatload if evidence that drumpf couldn’t prevent coming to light. What was that called? Oh, SDNY why what a coincidence. Where is all that evidence? Or perhaps evidence from our crack journalists Chuck & Jake? No doubt their intrepid reporting will expose the truth.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:19:53pm

re: #106 steve_davis

I don’t see it. Prosecutors didn’t need his testimony for anything and they weren’t by any accounts working with him. So killing him really does nothing towards helping anybody else.

We don’t know what prosecutors needed. The case is weaker without Epstein. It just is. It limits options.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:20:25pm

re: #107 BigPapa

The time to snuff out Epstein was long ago. Once he was arrested and his homes raided it was too late. His mouth, if he cooperated, would probably have filled in a few gaps but otherwise to much evidence may already be in play. Those DVDs? Oh boy.

Tell me, what is in the DVDs?

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:21:42pm
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TedStriker  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:23:42pm

re: #111 b.d.

Checks out……

Seems legit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:24:43pm

re: #133 Eric The Fruit Bat

Aaaand…here it comes again: FEMA to test national alert system with Wednesday afternoon warning

Well, my weather radio right now is under a “test severe thunderstorm warning.”

An awful lot of angst went into last year’s test (will Trump go on a rant on television, &c).

The system exists for all those who do not have Internet (which is a large minority of the country). In that regard, it’s not much different than an EAS test.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:25:59pm

re: #141 jaunte

Because nothing says “we need proof” like broadcasting a hanging man across televisions around the world. SMH

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:26:50pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yeah, I don’t think the video needs media release.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:27:47pm

re: #145 jaunte

Yeah, I don’t think the video needs media release.

Why not?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:28:10pm

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, my weather radio right now is under a “test severe thunderstorm warning.”

I’ve seen those tests on my weather radio.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:28:25pm

re: #146 Old Liberal

I’d settle for verification from a bipartisan Congressional committee.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:30:29pm

re: #146 Old Liberal

Why not?

If it’s released, you get a snuff film for the news media and conspiracy theorists (they are already out there claiming body doubles, &c).

If it is not released, you don’t have a snuff film for the news media, and the conspiracy theorists are going to conspiracy-monger anyway.

Personally, I don’t see much of a point to broadcasting a hanging video.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:31:49pm

re: #148 jaunte

I’d settle for verification from a bipartisan Congressional committee.

Dont watch. I won’t believe these Barr people nor a congressional bipartisan whatever that is. Joe Manchin for the Democrats? We don’t live in any semblance of normality anymore. No one can be trusted today.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:33:02pm

re: #150 Old Liberal

I am curious now as to whether there actually is a video, or if the camera was accidentally turned off.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:33:39pm

That seems to happen to police body cameras quite a bit.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:34:04pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If it’s released, you get a snuff film for the news media and conspiracy theorists (they are already out there claiming body doubles, &c).

If it is not released, you don’t have a snuff film for the news media, and the conspiracy theorists are going to conspiracy-monger anyway.

Personally, I don’t see much of a point to broadcasting a hanging video.

Because I don’t trust any of these people. We already know what they do. If Barr told me the sun rose in the east I’d look out the east window tomorrow.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:36:13pm

Lets find someone of impeccable reputation to find the facts and verify the film, for example why not Robert Mueller? He seemed to get into every corner.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:36:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:36:54pm

re: #133 Eric The Fruit Bat

Aaaand…here it comes again: FEMA to test national alert system with Wednesday afternoon warning

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:39:52pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:40:28pm

re: #154 Old Liberal

Lets find someone of impeccable reputation to find the facts and verify the film, for example why not Robert Mueller? He seemed to get into every corner.

That would be interesting, if only to see Trump completely lose his shit over it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:41:05pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

That would be interesting, if only to see Trump completely lose his shit over it.

we would not have the patience to wait for the results of another Mueller investigation

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:41:53pm

I’m gonna type this loud.

BARR SHUT DOWN ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS IN SDNY THAT WERE REFERRED BY MUELLER AND NO ONE HAS RESIGNED IN PROTEST AND MUELLER HAS NOT PUBLICLY PROTESTED.

Ok now we can wait for the results of the “investigation “ and the “evidence” that observes the 24 hour rule.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:42:27pm

re: #89 stpaulbear

An El Paso hospital official says that there was a general assessment that there was “an absence of empathy” on Trump’s part during his visit

additionally, there was general agreement among those asked to make this assessment that water could often be evaluated as wet

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:42:46pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

That would be interesting, if only to see Trump completely lose his shit over it.

My point is, Mueller was thwarted. Rendered ineffective.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:45:13pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:45:32pm

Personally think Epstein was given the Dahmer treatment, namely the guards knew he was a suicide risk and just looked the other way. Could be for any number of reasons, from disgust for his crimes to just not wanting to deal with him, and so the only “conspiracy” was an informal agreement that if he made another attempt then there would be no rush to stop him.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:47:18pm

Ha. I had Mrs. Fish take the political compass test. I wound up being further left and further libertarian than her. I have NO idea when or how that happened.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:48:29pm

Many of us laughed at Sekulow, Dowd, Guiliani, thought Rosenstein and Mueller would bring the truth and the law. Don Jr going to be indicted Mueller corralling the entire mob.

We don’t have a Justice Department. We have a bunch of criminals in charge. Anyone think Barr didn’t talk to drumpf about Epstein?

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sagehen  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:50:46pm

re: #160 Old Liberal

I’m gonna type this loud.

BARR SHUT DOWN ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS IN SDNY THAT WERE REFERRED BY MUELLER AND NO ONE HAS RESIGNED IN PROTEST AND MUELLER HAS NOT PUBLICLY PROTESTED.

Ok now we can wait for the results of the “investigation “ and the “evidence” that observes the 24 hour rule.

We don’t know how many, if any, of those active investigations were quietly slipped to the NYAG.

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stpaulbear  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:50:49pm

re: #162 Old Liberal

My point is, Mueller was thwarted. Rendered ineffective.

Jerry Nadler is now referring to the House investigation as a formal impeachment proceeding. Mueller was part of getting them to that point. It hasn’t been fast, but it hasn’t been ineffective. I think what’s frustrating everyone is that we’re in such a hurry to get to the finish line that we’re not watching the race.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:54:23pm

His pedo best pal buddy buddy died in federal custody and he tweets about… Bill Maher.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:54:48pm

re: #109 b.d.

Jeff Smith
@JeffSmithMO
* 6h
Recalls a data and graph-filled academic “paper” I once saw recommending that, in the interest of saving the lives of college students’ grandparents, professors stop giving exams.babylonbee.com

CDC: People With Dirt On Clintons Have 843% Greater Risk Of Suicide
ATLANTA, GA - According to a report from the Centers for Disease Control released on Thursday, people with inside, compromising knowledge of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s financial and political…

babylonbee.com

Philip Klinkner

@pklinkne
The fact that Anthony Weiner is still alive is proof that the Clinton’s don’t kill anyone who crosses them.

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10:42 AM - Aug 10, 2019

I really hate babylonbee ; first saw it because a libertarian-lite acquaintance of mine frequently posts its stories with the comment LMAO. It’s a very conservative (i.e. unfunny) version of the Onion.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:54:49pm

MAGAts are rolling with it, full steam ahead.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:55:22pm

re: #168 stpaulbear

Jerry Nadler is now referring to the House investigation as a formal impeachment proceeding. Mueller was part of getting them to that point. It hasn’t been fast, but it hasn’t been ineffective. I think what’s frustrating everyone is that we’re in such a hurry to get to the finish line that we’re not watching the race.

Mueller wasn’t allowed to indict. Hence we wasn’t allowed to investigate certain things. Things that would have proven crimes. He didn’t interview unindicted co-conspirators. He was put in a straitjacket. I didn’t say the report was worthless but it was ineffective.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:55:55pm

re: #168 stpaulbear

Jerry Nadler is now referring to the House investigation as a formal impeachment proceeding. Mueller was part of getting them to that point. It hasn’t been fast, but it hasn’t been ineffective. I think what’s frustrating everyone is that we’re in such a hurry to get to the finish line that we’re not watching the race.

Also, it’s so distracting when the horses keep dying, and jockeys are dying…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:56:16pm

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

Do they even think about the shit they post?

Oh, wait. They don’t even think. That would require them to have an actual brain.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:59:06pm

re: #172 Old Liberal

Mueller wasn’t allowed to indict. Hence we wasn’t allowed to investigate certain things. Things that would have proven crimes. He didn’t interview unindicted co-conspirators. He was put in a straitjacket. I didn’t say the report was worthless but it was ineffective.

What was the effect you were expecting?

BBL, curtain going up.

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:59:32pm

From the sounds of it, there’s not much that murdering Epstein has really prevented. Short of his turning evidence in the hopes of leniency from prosecutors, his death has actually made it possible for the courts to move faster on the release of evidence gathered in the investigation. And his co-conspirators continue to face prosecution, so his death has not prevented prosecutors from moving forward. So far, it seems the only thing that his death has prevented is the victims suing him personally, forcing them to instead sue his estate instead. Not to mention that his death will only bring further scrutiny on the whole matter rather than less.

Really, it seems a safer bet to just assume that he did commit suicide as a last “Fuck You” to his victims.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 2:59:42pm

re: #167 sagehen

We don’t know how many, if any, of those active investigations were quietly slipped to the NYAG.

If Barr has his way we never will know. What if none were?

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:00:59pm

re: #172 Old Liberal

Mueller wasn’t allowed to indict. Hence we wasn’t allowed to investigate certain things. Things that would have proven crimes. He didn’t interview unindicted co-conspirators. He was put in a straitjacket. I didn’t say the report was worthless but it was ineffective.

This is something I commented on months back, that the idea that Mueller or his report would be the great savior of the republic was misleading and too many people were putting too much faith in his riding to the rescue. He was never a Ken Starr and our hope that he would be was foolish.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:01:05pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

His pedo best pal buddy buddy died in federal custody and he tweets about… Bill Maher.

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No one is going to be happy to see you unless it’s if it’s in handcuffs.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:02:52pm

JFC. Found out one of my cousins is a Clinton body count nutjob. Can’t deal with this crap.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:03:11pm

re: #175 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

What was the effect you were expecting?

BBL, curtain going up.

I expected indictments and not just of low level people. I never expected the “can’t indict therefore can’t even mention criminal acts because they are entitled to a trial but can’t get one if they aren’t indicted” bullshit DOJ “policy”.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:04:30pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

JFC. Found out one of my cousins is a Clinton body count nutjob. Can’t deal with this crap.

Possibly one of the most despicable lies I remember from my days as a dittohead. Ugh. I’m embarrassed to remember that time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:05:27pm

ACLU’s Border Rights Center director.

Driving while Hispanic is getting about as much harassment as driving while black.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:06:34pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

This is something I commented on months back, that the idea that Mueller or his report would be the great savior of the republic was misleading and too many people were putting too much faith in his riding to the rescue. He was never a Ken Starr and our hope that he would be was foolish.

And what i am trying to communicate is this DOJ is thoroughly corrupt and any investigation they perform can’t be trusted. They will water down and misrepresent whatever they choose. Even Mueller couldn’t do an honest job.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:07:10pm

re: #182 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Possibly one of the most despicable lies I remember from my days as a dittohead. Ugh. I’m embarrassed to remember that time.

She knows I’m a liberal and posted that bs on my post about Epstein. I didn’t even bring up that Trump had much substantial connections than Bill. Sigh. I’d honestly block but I run our family history group.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:08:18pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

She knows I’m a liberal and posted that bs on my post about Epstein. I didn’t even bring up that Trump had much substantial connections than Bill. Sigh. I’d honestly block but I run our family history group.

On that topic, eagerly awaiting the results of my and Mrs. Fish’s AncestryDNA tests. We gave my folks a fright - the order arrived when they were here last weekend… they were worried we got the tests for … other reasons.

[Giggling uncontrollably.]

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HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:09:59pm

re: #186 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

On that topic, eagerly awaiting the results of my and Mrs. Fish’s AncestryDNA tests. We gave my folks a fright - the order arrived when they were here last weekend… they were worried we got the tests for … other reasons.

[Giggling uncontrollably.]

Cool. Lemme know how it goes.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:10:59pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

From the sounds of it, there’s not much that murdering Epstein has really prevented. Short of his turning evidence in the hopes of leniency from prosecutors, his death has actually made it possible for the courts to move faster on the release of evidence gathered in the investigation. And his co-conspirators continue to face prosecution, so his death has not prevented prosecutors from moving forward. So far, it seems the only thing that his death has prevented is the victims suing him personally, forcing them to instead sue his estate instead. Not to mention that his death will only bring further scrutiny on the whole matter rather than less.

Really, it seems a safer bet to just assume that he did commit suicide as a last “Fuck You” to his victims.

We don’t know what evidence they have. We just don’t know. And we might never find out. With Epstein dead, however that happened, this is radically different from numerous angles. Until indictments are issued based on DVDs i remain pessimistic.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:12:17pm

He. Fucking. Went. There.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:13:38pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

He. Fucking. Went. There.

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JFC. Fucking ass

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:15:53pm

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

“to Bill and I”

“to Bill and me

the ignorance of the overcorrected grammar screams “wingnut!”

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Interesting Times  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:15:58pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

He. Fucking. Went. There.

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Which, given his imax-level penchant for projection, can’t help but make you wonder…

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Mattand  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:16:17pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

He. Fucking. Went. There.

Just the current president accusing a former president of murder.

In my fantasy world, this is when Obama rolls up his sleeves, goes “Fuck it, enough is enough”, and starts dropping truth bombs.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:17:11pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

His pedo best pal buddy buddy died in federal custody and he tweets about… Bill Maher.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:17:19pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

Which, given his imax-level penchant for projection, can’t help but make you wonder…

Mrs. Fish is speculating along these exact lines even as I type this. It’s a compelling idea.

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:17:39pm

re: #184 Old Liberal

And what i am trying to communicate is this DOJ is thoroughly corrupt and any investigation they perform can’t be trusted. They will water down and misrepresent whatever they choose. Even Mueller couldn’t do an honest job.

Mueller stated out loud during his testimony that he wasn’t impeded by anyone within the DOJ, and that he ended his investigation once he felt that he couldn’t go any further with the evidence he had. If he felt that he’d been prevented from doing a thorough job, I don’t doubt that he would have said as much. The idea that he was going to hand down indictments for Don Jr and others was ours, so to suggest that he was prevented from such is less about DOJ corruption and more about Mueller failing to live up to our wishes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:19:26pm

re: #165 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ha. I had Mrs. Fish take the political compass test. I wound up being further left and further libertarian than her. I have NO idea when or how that happened.

My wife comes up as sort of a centrist libertarian.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:20:20pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife comes up as sort of a centrist libertarian.

Mrs. Fish wound up being in the neighborhood of -5.5, -4.2. Comfortably in the left-libertarian square, for sure.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:21:20pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

JFC. Found out one of my cousins is a Clinton body count nutjob. Can’t deal with this crap.

Sorry, Happy.

I know the feeling. That’s why I cut my family off and just look at the Facebook pages to see how insane they have become.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:22:10pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

He. Fucking. Went. There.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:22:31pm

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Kill Bill, Volume 3: Hillary Clinton edition.

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:23:11pm

This is William Barr’s only job.

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Old Liberal  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:23:34pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

Mueller stated out loud during his testimony that he wasn’t impeded by anyone within the DOJ, and that he ended his investigation once he felt that he couldn’t go any further with the evidence he had. If he felt that he’d been prevented from doing a thorough job, I don’t doubt that he would have said as much. The idea that he was going to hand down indictments for Don Jr and others was ours, so to suggest that he was prevented from such is less about DOJ corruption and more about Mueller failing to live up to our wishes.

He was prevented by policy. Policy that favored those being investigated. He followed that policy. He didn’t have to be told not to do something, he was told in the beginning and followed Orders. This is how obstruction is done all legal-like. Whoever sets the parameters controls the result.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:26:04pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

She knows I’m a liberal and posted that bs on my post about Epstein. I didn’t even bring up that Trump had much substantial connections than Bill. Sigh. I’d honestly block but I run our family history group.

If the group is about family history, it might be worth a post (can you pin posts on Facebook?) simply saying political posts will be deleted and continued posting will result in the poster being banned.

If they’re interested in family history, they’ll follow that rule. If they’re trying to proselytise the Gospel According to Trump, they get the same heave-ho a missionary on the doorstep gets.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:27:04pm

Future NRA Board Member showing off his new toy…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:28:40pm

re: #205 Joe Bacon 🌹

Future NRA Board Member showing off his new toy…

Rule #1 of handling a gun: A gun is always loaded. Treat it that way.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:29:02pm

re: #194 jaunte

[None of the eight victims of the El Paso mass shooting still being treated at University Medical Center agreed to meet with President Trump when he visited on Wednesday]

I was not happy when I heard he went to the hospital I had been flown to. The fakeness of his photo ops and his ‘welcome’ have made me feel better. My #1 doc there is from Peru. IIRC.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:31:16pm

That makes sense.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:32:13pm

Why did Mar-a-Lago hire teenage girls as spa attendants?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:33:14pm

re: #209 jaunte

Why did Mar-a-Lago hire teenage girls as spa attendants?

I don’t really need to answer that question, as I think the reason speaks for itself.

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:33:48pm

re: #203 Old Liberal

He was prevented by policy. Policy that favored those being investigated. He followed that policy. He didn’t have to be told not to do something, he was told in the beginning and followed Orders. This is how obstruction is done all legal-like. Whoever sets the parameters controls the result.

The only relevant policy I’ve ever heard him quote in regards to DOJ guidelines is the OLC policy regarding indicting a sitting president. He has never commented on whether or not there was grounds to indict others within the Trump admin or family, or suggested that any DOJ policies prevented him from doing such.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:35:17pm

re: #209 jaunte

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Why did Mar-a-Lago hire teenage girls as spa attendants?

Waiting for Franky Graham Cracker to chime in with his thoughts on this…hmmmm…maybe the reason why Franky is so silent is that he had something going on with Epstein????

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:35:39pm

The way conservatives make out Hillary Clinton, she’s apparently better at this assassination thing than Æon Flux. Why don’t they want her in charge of the Clandestine Directorate of the CIA?

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TedStriker  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:36:28pm

re: #209 jaunte

Why did Mar-a-Lago hire teenage girls as spa attendants?

re: #210 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t really need to answer that question, as I think the reason speaks for itself.

To give the Bob Kraft Special, I’m sure.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:36:39pm

Stochastic terrorist.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:37:19pm

re: #212 Joe Bacon 🌹

Waiting for Franky Graham Cracker to chime in with his thoughts on this…hmmmm…maybe the reason why Franky is so silent is that he had something going on with Epstein????

It is my considered opinion that the more famous a Christian leader is, the more significant the skeletons in his closet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:37:52pm

re: #203 Old Liberal

He was prevented by policy. Policy that favored those being investigated. He followed that policy. He didn’t have to be told not to do something, he was told in the beginning and followed Orders. This is how obstruction is done all legal-like. Whoever sets the parameters controls the result.

The policy that a President could not be indicted was issued by the Nixon Department of Justice in September 1973. Who was the attorney general at that time? Isn’t this ruling very suspect given when it was issued?

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:37:52pm

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The way conservatives make out Hillary Clinton, she’s apparently better at this assassination thing than Æon Flux. Why don’t they want her in charge of the Clandestine Directorate of the CIA?

She’s Schrodinger’s criminal: Simultaneously so cunning that she can pull off any crime and never get caught while also being so stupid that the evidence against her is out there in plain sight (at least according to wingnuts).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:38:28pm

re: #215 teleskiguy

Stochastic terrorist.

Hey Douchecanoe, you bankrupted a casino. That really takes corruption.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:38:59pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:40:00pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

She’s Schrodinger’s criminal: Simultaneously so cunning that she can pull off any crime and never get caught while also being so stupid that the evidence against her is out there in plain sight (at least according to wingnuts).

This is the key to the stupidity of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists are able to believe in their theories because their ability to handle cognitive dissonance is such that they can partition off the two conflicting statements in their heads. Normal people see the conflict and understand that the whole thing is moronic on its face.

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stpaulbear  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:40:18pm
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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:40:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:44:31pm

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

MAGAts are rolling with it, full steam ahead.

Hillary would never say “to Bill and I”…that is MAGA grammar…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:45:33pm

Acchhh! It’s 300 degrees here at the Conspiracy Compound right now.

Ok, maybe just 200. Wouldn’t want to exaggerate.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:45:56pm

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Same.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:45:57pm

re: #220 jaunte

This is so deeply reckless and irresponsible it beggars belief. A government official at any other level would immediately lose their job over this. That it comes from the highest level is utterly outrageous. As I keep saying, a new national disgrace ever day. Every. Single. Day.

In 1910s, a term in common use was “Moral Imbecile”. It eventually fell out of favor and use as as term in Medicine and Law. Perhaps too soon.

glosbe.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:49:23pm

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

The policy that a President could not be indicted was issued by the Nixon Department of Justice in September 1973. Who was the attorney general at that time? Isn’t this ruling very suspect given when it was issued?

Elliot Richardson (until he was fired October 20, 1973, then Robert Bork was Acting AG).

As for the OLC memo, it seems to have been drawn up by low level staffers.

This is the actual memo, signed by Deputy Attorney General Robert Dixon of the Office of Legal Counsel, dated September 24, 1973.

The OLC exists to give legal opinions to the DOJ. It does not represent law, and the whole idea presented in the original memo is a farce on the rule of law.

(forty-one pages)

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:49:46pm

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:51:55pm

re: #220 jaunte

LOL:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:53:15pm

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Acchhh! It’s 300 degrees here at the Conspiracy Compound right now.

Ok, maybe just 200. Wouldn’t want to exaggerate.

I’m glad we finally have an air conditioner. Today it’s a mild 90°F.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:53:52pm

Trump back to his old racist, inciting self after the mass shootings I see.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:54:44pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

John McAfee horning in on Trump’s tweet for attention (from that thread):

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:55:55pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:56:36pm

Man, people keep trying to sell me that Hillary Clinton runs a murderous crime cabal and all I’m thinking is,

“…so we could have had a competent ruthless crook instead of a flappy sycophantic heel crook?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:57:03pm

Did we expect the Trump Wedding Planner to post anything else?

Jeffrey Epstein, the multimillionaire accused of sex trafficking, was found dead in his New York jail cell Saturday morning in an apparent suicide. Details of his death emerged first through ABC News and quickly circulated among New York media outlets, but Lynne Patton, regional administrator at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, had another idea of what happened.

Hillary’d!!” she posted on Instagram around 10 a.m., alongside a screenshot of a Daily Mail story that described Epstein’s manner of death. She added the hashtag, “#VinceFosterPartTwo,” a reference to the former Clinton aide whose death by suicide has fueled conspiracy theories for more than two decades.

mavenroundtable.io

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:57:29pm

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

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What the hell is BNL News?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:58:28pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

She achieves this the same way she’s able to plan and manipulate everything while having brain problems, seizures, and dying of…everything, simultaneously.

At this point, I think these fuckers are literally cribbing strategy from Eco’s “13 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 3:58:56pm

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hillary would never say “to Bill and I”…that is MAGA grammar…

Might be worth putting that up everywhere that fake quote appears (I first saw it as an altered tweet).

Might get #MAGAgrammar trending …

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:02:12pm

re: #237 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What the hell is BNL News?

It exists as a Twitter account; it stands for BreakingNLive News.

It’s part of a group called UpdaterTU which has been suspended from Twitter.

It is cited on the feverish right in places like gab (dot) ai.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:02:54pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:04:46pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It exists as a Twitter account; it stands for BreakingNLive News.

It’s part of a group called UpdaterTU which has been suspended from Twitter.

It is cited on the feverish right in places like gab (dot) ai.

So in other words, it’s fake news. OK then.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:09:03pm

Poll: McConnell’s approval in Kentucky at 18 percent (The Hill)

Let’s see if that translates into votes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:09:51pm

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Poll: McConnell’s approval in Kentucky at 18 percent (The Hill)

Let’s see if that translates into votes.

It won’t. They’ll vote for him because no God-fearing American would vote for a Democrat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:10:18pm

re: #241 teleskiguy

Aw, man. I feel awful for that dude.

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Jay C  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:10:52pm

re: #242 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So in other words, it’s fake news. OK then.

But REAL fake news: not Trump’s FAKE “fake news”: which is really real. Except when it isn’t….

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b.d.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:11:01pm

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Aw, man. I feel awful for that dude.

His life just got a lot easier today….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:11:17pm

re: #246 Jay C

But REAL fake news: not Trump’s FAKE “fake news”: which is really real. Except when it isn’t….

My brain just melted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:11:59pm

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Poll: McConnell’s approval in Kentucky at 18 percent (The Hill)

Let’s see if that translates into votes.

It won’t. Kim Davis will be by his side saying Jesus Jesus Jesus and he’ll be re-elected in a landslide.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:12:26pm

I knew this month of August was going to be a horror show. And shit, we’re only a third of the way through.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:13:56pm

We can expect it to get worse.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:14:13pm

re: #251 Joe Bacon 🌹

We can expect it to get worse.

“Things will not calm down. I believe they will, in fact, calm up.”

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Interesting Times  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:14:38pm

Ha:

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b.d.  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:14:46pm

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Poll: McConnell’s approval in Kentucky at 18 percent (The Hill)

Let’s see if that translates into votes.

McConnell will run a fear campaign saying how his opponent wants to give you health care, raise the minimum wage and improve the social safety net which a crapload of Kentuckians rely on…..and it will probably work…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:15:18pm

re: #241 teleskiguy

There are a ton of people in that thread telling him to “burn in hell” and whatnot.

Others suggesting he change his name.

Meanwhile, the media is starting to pick it up:

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BigPapa  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:15:24pm

re: #250 teleskiguy

I knew this month of August was going to be a horror show. And shit, we’re only a third of the way through.

Why didn’t you warn me dude? This is horrible.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:15:26pm

re: #254 b.d.

McConnell will run a fear campaign saying how his opponent wants to give you health care, raise the minimum wage and improve the social safety net which a crapload of Kentuckians rely on…..and it will probably work…

Oh and he will continue the War on Coal shtick against Warren.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:22:59pm

re: #256 BigPapa

Why didn’t you warn me dude? This is horrible.

I offhandedly said something on Twitter on 29 July.

Silver lining. Silver lining. First new Tool album in 13 years. At the end of the month.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:23:29pm

I almost forgot:

I won the lotto today ($1).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:26:27pm

re: #244 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It won’t. They’ll vote for him because no God-fearing American would vote for a Democrat.

I never got that “God-fearing” part of religion. They claim “God is love” (rather than “love is love”). If that is so, why be afraid of love? And if he’s all-powerful, why does he need a political party?

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:28:42pm

Present company excepted, of course.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:29:14pm

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I never got that “God-fearing” part of religion. They claim “God is love” (rather than “love is love”). If that is so, why be afraid of love? And if he’s all-powerful, why does he need a political party?

Well you can thank the Hunt Brothers who initially put up the seed money to start Old Man Falwell’s Moral Majority and Robertson’s KKKristian KKKoalition!

Which was initially outlined in Powell’s infamous memo to eventually dismantle The New Deal!

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:39:44pm

re: #251 Joe Bacon 🌹

We can expect it to get worse.

Exponentially worse.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:46:30pm

re: #250 teleskiguy

I knew this month of August was going to be a horror show. And shit, we’re only a third of the way through.

Well, it is my birthday today, so par for the course, I reckon.

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teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2019 • 4:51:03pm

re: #264 A Three Hour Tour

Well, it is my birthday today, so par for the course, I reckon.

My mother’s birthday is in 12 days.


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