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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:03:19am

As long as Putin can keep these fellows in line with his policies, then he is well on his way to restoring the old Russian Empire…all the way to Poland

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:04:18am

With a name like that, he’d never be normal.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:04:38am

Carried over:

re: #248 William Lewis

My grandmother died a miserable death from cervical cancer. You goddamn betcha my son got the HPV vaccination. It needs to be manditory, with only allergy as an exception.

My aunt went through terrible treatments to eliminate her cervical cancer.

She’s grateful those terrible treatments exist, but I imagine she’d be all over the idea of a single vaccine to prevent the disease in the first place.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:07:01am

So like Trump then, except with a fascination of horses instead of girls that look like his daughter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:07:51am

re: #4 lawhawk

So like Trump then, except with a fascination of horses instead of girls that look like his daughter.

speaking of horses (asses)

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:08:44am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:09:45am

Kurt Vonnegut was right. Big brains are not necessarily an evolutionary advantage.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:12:21am

re: #7 jaunte

Kurt Vonnegut was right. Big brains are not necessarily an evolutionary advantage.

Darwin would have told you that. So much of our evolution is luck. We tend to use our brains to thwart evolution anyway.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:13:28am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure that picture of Putin was for the men.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:13:46am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of horses (asses)

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Once Putin realized that communism had failed and the path to world dominance was white supremacism and kowtowing to religious fanatics, it should have been clear that Southern Baptists would fall in love with Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:22:58am
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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:25:41am

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Carried over:

My aunt went through terrible treatments to eliminate her cervical cancer.

She’s grateful those terrible treatments exist, but I imagine she’d be all over the idea of a single vaccine to prevent the disease in the first place.

they went from:
- some vaccines may have once contained mercury
- some vaccines may not have been fully and adequately tested on humans
etc

to

- all vaccines are evil

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:26:58am

re: #7 jaunte

Kurt Vonnegut was right. Big brains are not necessarily an evolutionary advantage.

Idiocracy

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:28:32am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of horses (asses)

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Puke.

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:30:36am

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:30:59am

From the article:

John Oliver takes a look at the president of Turkmenistan, a dangerous autocrat with some notably strange obsessions.

That was one perfect troll of the Guinness Book of World Records.

I see they haven’t added Mr. Oliver’s cake, but outlets such as Time and Entertainment Weekly are amplifying the message.

Guinness will accept as evidence things such as taped evidence in front of a live studio audience. We’ll have to see if they’re shamed into acknowledging that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:34:43am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of horses (asses)

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He sold out, too!

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:36:31am

Meanwhile, down in Texas.

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Nyet  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:38:16am

Still a huge improvement over the Turkmenbashi.

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KGxvi  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:40:59am

re: #6 jaunte

First, YouTube is Google (I forget if it’s a subsidiary or a division, but in contemporary techopolies that distinction doesn’t matter). Second, I remember when Google’s motto was “don’t be evil.” But if the algorithm is pushing people to conspiracy land, then it is being evil - either actively or passively, not that there’s a distinction there either.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:42:04am

re: #12 DangerMan

they went from:
- some vaccines may have once contained mercury
- some vaccines may not have been fully and adequately tested on humans
etc

to

- all vaccines are evil

The old chestnut of “no double-blind trials.”

To conduct a double-blind trial of a vaccine, you would need to give some people the vaccine being tested, and other a placebo, then expose them all to the disease being tested and see who gets sick.

That is deeply unethical, but try to explain that to an antivaxxer.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:44:47am

re: #20 KGxvi

When “engagement” is the only gauge of value, you wind up in evil territory.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:45:47am

re: #18 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, down in Texas.

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dropping past the ‘back to school’ idiocy

“up to 50% off” actually means ‘as little as 0% off’ so bfd

but if it were real, thats gotta mean they’re having a lot of trouble moving some weaponry

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:45:56am

re: #20 KGxvi

I remember when Google’s motto was “don’t be evil.”

ah, but the explanation is right there on YouTube…

Cyndi Lauper - Money Changes Everything (Official Live Video)

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:46:26am

re: #23 DangerMan

It is real. It’s a back to school sale on guns right after 22 people were slaughtered in El Paso.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:47:23am

re: #23 DangerMan

The gun lobby needs Democrats to be elected to scare their customers again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:47:39am

re: #22 jaunte

When “engagement” is the only gauge of value, you wind up in evil territory.

See also: Twitter.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:48:37am

re: #20 KGxvi

First, YouTube is Google (I forget if it’s a subsidiary or a division, but in contemporary techopolies that distinction doesn’t matter). Second, I remember when Google’s motto was “don’t be evil.” But if the algorithm is pushing people to conspiracy land, then it is being evil - either actively or passively, not that there’s a distinction there either.

They all think they can write an algorithm and solve it, but that will only be true when the algorithm is able to make more complex judgements than what they are capable of now. Humans need to intervene more often than they want to pay for.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:50:08am

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The old chestnut of “no double-blind trials.”

To conduct a double-blind trial of a vaccine, you would need to give some people the vaccine being tested, and other a placebo, then expose them all to the disease being tested and see who gets sick.

That is deeply unethical, but try to explain that to an antivaxxer.

some vaccines are 30, 50 and even more years old
there’s some history and track record there

plus no one’s ever proved a link to things theyre scared of - autism, etc
if there were, it would be published for all to see, ripped apart, peer reviewed and duplicated time and again

all they have i stupid blathering rhetoric

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:51:58am

re: #25 Skip Intro

It is real. It’s a back to school sale on guns right after 22 people were slaughtered in El Paso.

i didnt mean the sign, or even that there’s a ‘sale’

only that you’re not gonna find your dream weapon there at 50% off

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:52:20am

Not even animals are safe from the wrath of Trump:

(USA TODAY) - The Trump administration announced on Monday a major overhaul to the Endangered Species Act that it said would reduce regulations. Environmentalists said the changes would push more animals and plants to extinction because of threats from climate change and human activities.

The changes end blanket protections for animals newly deemed threatened and allow federal authorities for the first time to take into account the economic cost of protecting a particular species.

The Endangered Species Act protects more than 1,600 species in the USA and its territories.

“The best way to uphold the Endangered Species Act is to do everything we can to ensure it remains effective in achieving its ultimate goal - recovery of our rarest species,” U.S. Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt said in a statement. “The act’s effectiveness rests on clear, consistent and efficient implementation.”

U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross said, “The revisions finalized with this rulemaking fit squarely within the president’s mandate of easing the regulatory burden on the American public, without sacrificing our species’ protection and recovery goals.”
It’s feeding time for a male red wolf in its habitat at the Museum of Life and Science in Durham, N.C.

The act helped save the bald eagle, California condor, the grizzly bear and dozens of other animals and plants from extinction since President Richard Nixon signed it into law in 1973.

At least 10 attorneys general joined conservation groups in protesting an early draft of the changes, saying they would put more wildlife at greater risk of extinction.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:52:48am

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The old chestnut of “no double-blind trials.”

To conduct a double-blind trial of a vaccine, you would need to give some people the vaccine being tested, and other a placebo, then expose them all to the disease being tested and see who gets sick.

That is deeply unethical, but try to explain that to an antivaxxer.

Isn’t the current process that the experimenters don’t necessarily expose test subjects to the disease but just track them over time to see what percentage contract the disease and what side effects arise, and then, based on the results, decide whether to release the vaccine to a larger population. Of course, this is after animal studies to evaluate (to the extent possible) the effectiveness and dangers associated with the vaccine.

Unfortunately in many cases, it could take years or decades to do a thorough study and in the meantime, people are dying or being seriously harmed by the ailment. It’s a difficult conundrum.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:57:13am

The war on Roe is heating up again…

Nashville — After struggling to pass a six-week abortion ban earlier this year, Tennessee lawmakers are now considering one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country: a total ban on the procedure.

On Monday and Tuesday, the state’s judiciary committee will hear testimony from more than 20 witnesses and debate an 11-page amendment to its stalled “fetal heartbeat” bill. If the changes are adopted, the legislation will ban abortion once a woman knows she’s pregnant.

The committee, which has seven Republicans and two Democrats, is expected to accept the changes. The amended bill would be put up for a vote in January 2020, when the legislature reconvenes.

This week’s summer study comes as states have raced to pass legislation restricting abortion, hoping to challenge Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that protects access to the procedure. This year, six states — Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi and Ohio — passed so-called “heartbeat” bills, legislation that bans abortion after cardiac activity can be detected in a fetus. Missouri passed an eight-week ban in May, and Alabama went a step further passing a near-total abortion ban.

Tennessee nearly joined those conservative states with House Bill 77, a “fetal heartbeat” bill that doesn’t provide exceptions for victims of rape or incest.

It passed the state’s House in March but stalled in the Senate when conservative leaders questioned the efficacy of the bill, said state Senator Kerry Roberts, who serves on the state’s judiciary committee, in a telephone interview with CBS News.

“The pro-life people all agreed that they want to see restrictions on abortion, but they started disagreeing on how to do it,” Roberts said.

Roberts told CBS News the intention of Tennessee’s amended abortion bill isn’t to immediately cut off access to the procedure. The point is to provide a legal challenge to Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood v. Casey and other Supreme Court precedent.

The original version of House Bill 77 reads similarly to many of the other “fetal heartbeat” bills introduced this year. All face court challenges and nearly all have been blocked from implementation by federal judges. The politicians behind those bills don’t consider that a problem, but rather the first step toward a multi-year journey to the Supreme Court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:58:50am

and then she crashed and berned…

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2019 • 11:59:37am

Maybe this can be a trend into the fall.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:02:21pm

I’m getting really tired of my telephone ringing today (one of the reasons we own an answering machine).

“We have information on how to pay off your home loan” (we don’t have a home loan)
“We have the information you requested to pay off your student loan” (lol)
“We have the information you requested about your Social Security account” (we’re not old enough).
“You’re in arrears on your Federal Income Tax. We can help you avoid tax court.” (I haven’t had to pay Federal Income Tax or even file since 1996.)

If we reported every scam call around here to the sheriff, the sheriff would block our telephone number.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:06:51pm

Because even if there was an alleged “toxic chemical” (like water, in which you can drown) was in a vaccine, that’s so much better to avoid than say, yellow fever.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:07:27pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m getting really tired of my telephone ringing today (one of the reasons we own an answering machine).

“We have information on how to pay off your home loan” (we don’t have a home loan)
“We have the information you requested to pay off your student loan” (lol)
“We have the information you requested about your Social Security account” (we’re not old enough).
“You’re in arrears on your Federal Income Tax. We can help you avoid tax court.” (I haven’t had to pay Federal Income Tax or even file since 1996.)

If we reported every scam call around here to the sheriff, the sheriff would block our telephone number.

We don’t answer numbers we don’t recognize. That almost got me in trouble when we got our roof reshingled because Allstate uses people who work from home to handle claims. We didn’t recognize the numbers so we didn’t really know to pick up.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:09:25pm

re: #38 Belafon

We don’t answer numbers we don’t recognize. That almost got me in trouble when we got our roof reshingled because Allstate uses people who work from home to handle claims. We didn’t recognize the numbers so we didn’t really know to pick up.

Hence the answering machine. It picks up and whatever message they have starts. If it’s someone we want to talk to, then we pick up.

It also helps since the local telephone numbers are arranged by government/business and private. In the last four digits, anything that starts 1-8 is a spoofed telephone number.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:13:16pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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We have family friends in 70s who are leaving for trip all over Africa. They have refused to get any of the CDC/WHO recommended vaccinations because they’re “toxic chemicals.” These people are highly educated-an attorney and financial adviser. And, Marianne Williamson followers.

what i was saying above

any vaccine is now ‘toxic’

what if we started calling them something else?

“you can feel safe dear. its not a vaccine, it’s an effective preventative

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:13:27pm
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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:14:30pm

re: #38 Belafon

We don’t answer numbers we don’t recognize. That almost got me in trouble when we got our roof reshingled because Allstate uses people who work from home to handle claims. We didn’t recognize the numbers so we didn’t really know to pick up.

ditto
dont leave a message? i guess you dont want to talk to me.
as if im always right there to answer my phone, never busy or on another call or whatever

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:14:40pm

of course…

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:15:06pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:15:27pm

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Carried over:

My aunt went through terrible treatments to eliminate her cervical cancer.

She’s grateful those terrible treatments exist, but I imagine she’d be all over the idea of a single vaccine to prevent the disease in the first place.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:17:37pm

12.95 lies per day average.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:17:38pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

The war on Roe is heating up again…

Nashville — After struggling to pass a six-week abortion ban earlier this year, Tennessee lawmakers are now considering one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country: a total ban on the procedure.

On Monday and Tuesday, the state’s judiciary committee will hear testimony from more than 20 witnesses and debate an 11-page amendment to its stalled “fetal heartbeat” bill. If the changes are adopted, the legislation will ban abortion once a woman knows she’s pregnant.

The committee, which has seven Republicans and two Democrats, is expected to accept the changes. The amended bill would be put up for a vote in January 2020, when the legislature reconvenes.

This week’s summer study comes as states have raced to pass legislation restricting abortion, hoping to challenge Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that protects access to the procedure. This year, six states — Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi and Ohio — passed so-called “heartbeat” bills, legislation that bans abortion after cardiac activity can be detected in a fetus. Missouri passed an eight-week ban in May, and Alabama went a step further passing a near-total abortion ban.

Tennessee nearly joined those conservative states with House Bill 77, a “fetal heartbeat” bill that doesn’t provide exceptions for victims of rape or incest.

It passed the state’s House in March but stalled in the Senate when conservative leaders questioned the efficacy of the bill, said state Senator Kerry Roberts, who serves on the state’s judiciary committee, in a telephone interview with CBS News.

“The pro-life people all agreed that they want to see restrictions on abortion, but they started disagreeing on how to do it,” Roberts said.

Roberts told CBS News the intention of Tennessee’s amended abortion bill isn’t to immediately cut off access to the procedure. The point is to provide a legal challenge to Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood v. Casey and other Supreme Court precedent.

The original version of House Bill 77 reads similarly to many of the other “fetal heartbeat” bills introduced this year. All face court challenges and nearly all have been blocked from implementation by federal judges. The politicians behind those bills don’t consider that a problem, but rather the first step toward a multi-year journey to the Supreme Court.

i thought i read somewhere, say in the last 6 months, that purposely crafting a draconian bill into law with the intention of getting a supreme court challenge was a sure way to have it tossed.

anyone else or just me?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:18:14pm

DOW shedding another 400 points so far today.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:18:39pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course…

AG William Barr blames New York jail for ‘failing to secure’ Jeffrey Epstein’s cell

uh…. who run new york jail?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:19:06pm

re: #49 DangerMan

uh…. who run new york jail?

exactly

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:19:42pm

re: #49 DangerMan

uh…. who run new york jail?

Hillary Clinton, of course./

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:20:10pm

re: #46 Dread Pirate

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12.95 lies per day average.

and it gets both a yawn, and ‘of course we saw this coming. we did the math ages ago”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:21:35pm
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:21:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:22:00pm

re: #45 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:22:05pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course…

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Attorney General Barr should really be coming down hard on the boss of the Director of the Bureau of Prisons. Oh wait, that would be the Attorney General.

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MsJ  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:22:05pm

re: #46 Dread Pirate

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12.95 lies per day average.

Basically every time the fucker opens his lying pie hole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:23:10pm

I’m sure Barr will find a few low level fall guys to fire re: Epstein.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:24:12pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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how far we’ve come in space!

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:24:55pm
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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:25:08pm

re: #56 Dread Pirate

Attorney General Barr should really be coming down hard on the boss of the Director of the Bureau of Prisons. Oh wait, that would be the Attorney General.

ding!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:25:18pm

re: #47 DangerMan

i thought i read somewhere, say in the last 6 months, that purposely crafting a draconian bill into law with the intention of getting a supreme court challenge was a sure way to have it tossed.

anyone else or just me?

pbs.org

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:27:04pm

re: #60 Dread Pirate

Damn good thing that Blue Wave happened in 2018 in the House.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:27:52pm

re: #60 Dread Pirate

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I love how they keep see-sawing back and forth, one moment saying that it’s a total boondoggle and they won’t stick their necks out to get funding for it, and then in the next going out of their way to piss off voters in order to scrounge up a few bucks for at least a partial length of wall just so Donny doesn’t look like a total loser.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:28:05pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:30:36pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Dinesh D’Souza

@DineshDSouza
* 2h
We’ve just had two incendiary mass shootings.

In one, the shooter was pro-white supremacy.

In the other, the shooter was pro-socialist.

Guess which attacker’s motives have been buried by the media.@ShannonBream @foxnewsnight

Except we don’t know the Dayton shooter’s motives at all. If his target were members of the GOP or a RW organization or bankers or …, it would be justified to claim his ideology led to the massacre but has anyone figured out why he carried out this mass shooting?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:33:58pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:34:32pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

Except we don’t know the Dayton shooter’s motives at all. If his target were members of the GOP or a RW organization or bankers or …, it would be justified to claim his ideology led to the massacre but has anyone figured out why he carried out this mass shooting?

Misogyny seems most likely to me.

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:35:07pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

Except we don’t know the Dayton shooter’s motives at all. If his target were members of the GOP or a RW organization or bankers or …, it would be justified to claim his ideology led to the massacre but has anyone figured out why he carried out this mass shooting?

duh
motive is why you did the crime

not whether you have red hair or are ‘pro-sushi’

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:35:43pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

I love how they keep see-sawing back and forth, one moment saying that it’s a total boondoggle and they won’t stick their necks out to get funding for it, and then in the next going out of their way to piss off voters in order to scrounge up a few bucks for at least a partial length of wall just so Donny doesn’t look like a total loser.

If that wall was so important to them, they could claw back some of that Tax Scam.

They done pissed off a large portion of the military by grabbing housing and morale project money.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:36:50pm

re: #68 William Lewis

Misogyny seems most likely to me.

The rwnj don’t care; the mere fact he identified as left wing lets them engage in whataboutism, which is all they want.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:37:30pm

re: #68 William Lewis

Misogyny seems most likely to me.

Maybe — but then why his sibling? He murdered men and women alike and since he’s had girl friends, I’m not sure that he is an incel.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:38:19pm

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If that wall was so important to them, they could claw back some of that Tax Scam.

They done pissed off a large portion of the military by grabbing housing and morale project money.

And now they’re trying to piss off educators and healthcare workers. Why? Odds are because whoever “won” the contract is making fairly hefty “campaign contributions” to them in the hopes of seeing that contract funded before next November.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:38:52pm

re: #68 William Lewis

Misogyny seems most likely to me.

Bear in mind the media first misreported the gender of his sibling.

The police are still investigating and have not yet released a motive. Therefore conservatives must set the narrative and make it part of their religion, so when facts come in to dispute their narrative, their faith will sustain the parishioners.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:40:13pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Bear in mind the media first misreported the gender of his sibling.

The police are still investigating and have not yet released a motive. Therefore conservatives must set the narrative and make it part of their religion, so when facts come in to dispute their narrative, their faith will sustain the parishioners.

Really, it’s more about getting the narrative out there so that when the authorities do eventually establish a motive, they can tell themselves that it’s all a “cover-up.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:40:15pm

South Korea and Japan are having a trade dispute. Trump, of all people, are urging them to “get along”, as if he has the slightest shred of credibility.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:40:32pm

re: #71 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The rwnj don’t care; the mere fact he identified as left wing lets them engage in whataboutism, which is all they want.

They’re doing that anyway with the El Paso mass-murderer.

Every mass shooter becomes a Democrat or an atheist in conservative religion.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:42:43pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Really, it’s more about getting the narrative out there so that when the authorities do eventually establish a motive, they can tell themselves that it’s all a “cover-up.”

But the narrative is to support their religious faith in conservatism.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:46:26pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:46:34pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

But the narrative is to support their religious faith in conservatism.

Exactly. And since they’ve been told the Mayor of Dayton is an enemy of their church and it’s a key tenant of their faith that liberals will always try to hide the “truth” from the faithful, they’re setting themselves up to believe that any conclusions about the gunman’s motives that don’t point the finger at the far-left are a “cover-up.”

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:49:50pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:53:12pm

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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I never quite understood that argument. Most non-emergency visits to the doctor here in the States will mean a wait time, even if it’s only measured in hours rather than days or weeks. Only when you have the money to make their time worth it will a doctor make a house call or agree to an after-hours consult. The difference is the Canadian likely doesn’t have to sit and debate with himself on how much treatment he can afford, whether he can get that shoulder surgery or just put it off for the price of some “cheap” painkillers.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:53:47pm

re: #82 lawhawk

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 12:58:51pm

Twitter fight. It goes on for awhile

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Chrysicat  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:01:59pm

re: #68 William Lewis

Misogyny seems most likely to me.

His “sister” as the media are referring to him was apparently instead just out to his family and I think the also-targeted boyfriend as a transman though hadn’t yet begun medical treatment.

Misogyny might still be a motive (inasmuch as he wasn’t going to accept his former subordinate sibling being capable of becoming a competing, equal testosterone source under his father’s roof), but I’d say transphobia is just as possible.

And that’s if it wasn’t “just’ domestic issues that would have happened either way.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:05:36pm

Desperation Morale…

White House seeks volunteers, musicians for Christmas celebrations
thehill.com
I wonder if they are going to do the Nightmare Before Christmas decorations like last year.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:07:52pm

So, the DJIA took a header today: 25,896.44 -391.00(-1.49%)
NASDAQ: 7,863.41 -95.73(-1.20%)
S&P 500: 2,882.67 -35.98(-1.23%)

The markets aren’t exactly sparking confidence or showing confidence in Trump’s ongoing trade war with China, and there’s still more signs that it’s breaking and braking the economy.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:09:29pm

re: #88 lawhawk

So, the DJIA took a header today: 25,896.44 -391.00(-1.49%)
NASDAQ: 7,863.41 -95.73(-1.20%)
S&P 500: 2,882.67 -35.98(-1.23%)

The markets aren’t exactly sparking confidence or showing confidence in Trump’s ongoing trade war with China, and there’s still more signs that it’s breaking and braking the economy.

Add the protests in Hong Kong continuing and No Deal Brexit and the end of the year could be ugly for the stock market.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:12:59pm

re: #89 Kilroy was here

No deal Brexit is going to be a shit show of epic proportions for the UK. Health experts are warning of drug shortages on both sides of the Channel likely due to all manner of trade getting gummed up should there be a no-deal exit (the most likely kind, since Boris hasn’t got a clue to do anything different than May, and he’s promised to leave, despite all evidence that this would be a stupendously bad thing - and one that he lied about regularly). [ed = edited for clarity]

In fact, it’s the warnings on health effects that are pretty hilarious considering that Boris went around the UK promising that Brexit would result in tons of money going to the NHS. The reality is that Brexit was never doing any of that. It was always a lie.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:16:37pm

re: #86 Chrysicat

His “sister” as the media are referring to him was apparently instead just out to his family and I think the also-targeted boyfriend as a transman though hadn’t yet begun medical treatment.

Misogyny might still be a motive (inasmuch as he wasn’t going to accept his former subordinate sibling being capable of becoming a competing, equal testosterone source under his father’s roof), but I’d say transphobia is just as possible.

And that’s if it wasn’t “just’ domestic issues that would have happened either way.

Neither misogyny nor transphobia makes sense to me in light of him shooting up the area in front of a bar later.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:19:40pm

re: #90 lawhawk

Until they leave the EU they can’t sign any trade agreements. If they are expecting other countries to give them good “deals” while they are desperate, they’re crazy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:19:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:20:57pm

more in the continuing sputtering “I AM NOT A RACIST!!11!!”

followed by retweeting this:

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:21:15pm

re: #90 lawhawk

No deal Brexit is going to be a shit show of epic proportions for the UK. Health experts are warning of drug shortages likely due to all manner of trade getting gummed up should there be a no-deal exit on both sides of the Channel (the most likely kind, since Boris hasn’t got a clue to do anything different than May, and he’s promised to leave, despite all evidence that this would be a stupendously bad thing - and one that he lied about regularly).

In fact, it’s the warnings on health effects that are pretty hilarious considering that Boris went around the UK promising that Brexit would result in tons of money going to the NHS. The reality is that Brexit was never doing any of that. It was always a lie.

He and his mini-mes are trying to go around to the press, assuring them that the UK will speedily put together trade deals once Brexit happens so that there will be little disruption, with our own John Bolton out today saying that a US/UK deal will “swiftly” be hashed out come October. Were I a Briton, I would be rather scared about such as the only way such a deal gets done “swiftly” is if Boris just accepts whatever BS Donny sends him the moment Brexit happens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:21:55pm

re: #92 Kilroy was here

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Until they leave the EU they can’t sign any trade agreements. If they are expecting other countries to give them good “deals” while they are desperate, they’re crazy.

moron-in-chief just retweeted this four-day-old tweet:

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:22:18pm

re: #86 Chrysicat

His “sister” as the media are referring to him was apparently instead just out to his family and I think the also-targeted boyfriend as a transman though hadn’t yet begun medical treatment.

Misogyny might still be a motive (inasmuch as he wasn’t going to accept his former subordinate sibling being capable of becoming a competing, equal testosterone source under his father’s roof), but I’d say transphobia is just as possible.

And that’s if it wasn’t “just’ domestic issues that would have happened either way.

Had only heard her described as a sister, so I was not aware of the trans issues. Oh, yeah, that changes the picture a wee bit.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:22:42pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

more in the continuing sputtering “I AM NOT A RACIST!!11!!”

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I wonder if anyone has pointed out to them that, the moment Donny is out of office, their value to the wingnut press will immediately drop lower than dog shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:23:45pm

re: #97 William Lewis

Had only heard her described as a sister, so I was not aware of the trans issues. Oh, yeah, that changes the picture a wee bit.

I saw only one source for the trans issue.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:23:54pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

I call ‘em Gin & Juice.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:24:39pm

re: #100 Ace Rothstein

Cubic and Polyester.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:26:07pm

re: #100 Ace Rothstein

I call ‘em Gin & Juice.

Bull and Shit. They’re a joke. Their whole act comes off like something out of an old time racist caricature.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:27:01pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Dumb and Dumber.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:28:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:32:30pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Buckeyball and Burlap.

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BigPapa  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:34:32pm

So I guess lots of swear words is Hateful Conduct and gets you the BanHammer:

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:35:34pm

Considering how everything Donny touches ultimately turns to shit, these ladies better have long-term plans that don’t rely upon wingnut welfare, because that’s gonna dry up the moment he’s gone. Being “Trump’s black friends” will have all the market value of a used condom once the indictments and subpoenas start flying.

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mmmirele  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:40:12pm

re: #106 BigPapa

So I guess lots of swear words is Hateful Conduct and gets you the BanHammer:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:40:21pm
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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:40:39pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Considering how everything Donny touches ultimately turns to shit, these ladies better have long-term plans that don’t rely upon wingnut welfare, because that’s gonna dry up the moment he’s gone. Being “Trump’s black friends” will have all the market value of a used condom once the indictments and subpoenas start flying.

Unless we nominate Harris.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:42:01pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:42:35pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh man what an idiot.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:44:17pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And in six months, when Australia is hotter than a steel forge, D’Felon will have nothing to say.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:44:25pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

But it wasn’t dismissed with prejudice, which means that if the SOL hasn’t passed, he could refile.

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austin_blue  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:48:20pm

re: #114 lawhawk

But it wasn’t dismissed with prejudice, which means that if the SOL hasn’t passed, he could refile.

Is there SOL on civil torts?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:50:27pm
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:52:07pm

re: #115 austin_blue

Absolutely. All legal claims have to be brought within a set time period under state or federal law.

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:54:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:55:07pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Considering how everything Donny touches ultimately turns to shit, these ladies better have long-term plans that don’t rely upon wingnut welfare, because that’s gonna dry up the moment he’s gone. Being “Trump’s black friends” will have all the market value of a used condom once the indictments and subpoenas start flying.

Not just them though … pretty much every conservative wonderkind is eventually thrown under a bus when they are no longer useful to Movement Conservatism.

Kent State Gun Girl is having to beg for furniture money on GoFundMe.

Who was that teenage kid who was briefly famous for spouting conservative talking points on YouTube? Oh yes, Johnathan Krohn, who took CPAC by storm when he was thirteen. Where is he now? Here:
politico.com

He doesn’t identify as a liberal or a Democrat, but holds Democratic positions, and says he cringes when he sees the video of his CPAC speech in 2013.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:57:32pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:59:25pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

AG William Barr blames New York jail for ‘failing to secure’ Jeffrey Epstein’s cell

Without waiting for an investigation, our AG is making blanket statements.

Our Justice system is suffering from Epstein-Barr syndrome

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:59:37pm
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austin_blue  Aug 12, 2019 • 1:59:43pm

re: #117 lawhawk

Absolutely. All legal claims have to be brought within a set time period under state or federal law.

Thanks! I had no idea, but it makes sense, if you have a car accident you X months to file a tort.

Doesn’t make sense, though, if you have been exposed to a carcinogen which doesn’t kick in for 15 years.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:01:12pm

re: #118 plansbandc

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Genie law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:01:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:03:08pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Talk to your father Eric, he’s the one who repealed it but you won’t because you and your siblings are hypocrite assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:04:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:05:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:06:40pm

heh

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:07:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:08:05pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:08:12pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll believe that ammosexuals give a damn about stopping the mentally ill from purchasing guns the moment they put forward a bill that actually addresses such without falling back on easing restrictions on involuntary admissions.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:09:10pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Yeah because Trump totally knows how to change a tire. And students for Trump? Your founder was a fake lawyer. Your opinions are bs.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:09:18pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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“Isn’t there someone who I can order to do this and then refuse to pay afterwards?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:09:42pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

I’ll believe that ammosexuals give a damn about stopping the mentally ill from purchasing guns the moment they put forward a bill that actually addresses such without falling back on easing restrictions on involuntary admissions.

Exactly

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:10:00pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every right-wing conspiracy theorist on Twitter is on that thread throwing up DARVO at the moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:11:11pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:13:33pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, if the results of other wingnut-controlled states are any guide, the result will be exactly what those same wingnuts have lied about for years when they said it would never happen: Women imprisoned for the “crime” of having a miscarriage.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:18:29pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Another libertarian who doesn’t understand how the law works or applies to him.

phoenixnewtimes.com
He ran for Jeff Flake’s seat.

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:19:11pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did they bring ground-penetrating radar and cadaver-sniffing dogs?

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:20:32pm

re: #140 sagehen

Did they bring ground-penetrating radar and cadaver-sniffing dogs?

I figured it would be “Cleaners” and Bradbury’s Firemen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:25:32pm
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Jay C  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:25:54pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

And in six months, when Australia is hotter than a steel forge, D’Felon will have nothing to say.

Not to mention that unless I’m mistaken (always a possibility), snow - outside of a very few mountain heights - is quite rare even in the Australian winter. So blowing snow is likely to be a weather anomaly wherever Down Under that picture was taken. So yeah: climate change….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:27:07pm

re: #143 Jay C

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:28:06pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don’t look at me. I just got a regular nitro brew just now. Actually I like pumpkin spice.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:28:48pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:32:05pm

moron

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:33:24pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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He always does the stupid “not good.” Man I miss having an intelligent President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:34:37pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:35:29pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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You know, tweets like these are what I imagine Soviet-era Pravda would have put out had Twitter existed at the time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:38:54pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:38:58pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:41:29pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Well yeah, you want to loosen the nuts when you’re not fighting against the weight of the damned vehicle. I would have thought that was basic knowledge.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:41:35pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

Proof of climate change (I get to use this one again):

Proof of Global Warming
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:46:07pm

...

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:46:31pm

My favorite climate change fail was Ryan posting a photo of a cold, snowy day in his district in February. Ryan’s not stupid. He knows the difference between climate and weather. That said, I doubt Trump does.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:50:41pm

thread

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:52:17pm

As to “Skyfall,” unless the Air Force has been doing some testing that they by all rights should have been dissuaded from ages ago, then the closest the US ever got to a nuclear-powered cruise missile was Project Pluto back in the 50s & 60s. And the kibosh was put on that project not because anything on the ground that avoided death from the Mach 3 supersonic shockwave being right above their heads would wind up dead from the radioactive exhaust the missile put out, but because the AF rightly deduced that the Soviets would just build one of their own. And considering the state of sophistication of Soviet nuclear tech in the same time period (see: submarine K-19, aka “Hiroshima”), the idea of Moscow possessing such a weapon scared the ever-loving bejesus out of everybody with a stronger grip on reality than a character from Dr. Strangelove.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:52:33pm

don’t hold back:

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DangerMan  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:55:22pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Having competed in the shooting sports my entire life, I am the most staunch Second Amendment supporter! That said, I agree 100%. Keep guns away from crazy people and the mentally ill - they give millions of great Americans, like me, that love the sport, a bad name.

good so we are free to identify only those who demonstrably do not control their weapons - because you’d have to be crazy or mentally ill to think think that rights dont come with responsibilities

excellent

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:59:43pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t hold back:

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No slave uprisings in the South? Yeah there’s a little guy named Nat Turner. We learned about him in 4th grade. I am proud to have an ancestor, an immigrant no less who fought for the Union.

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A Cranky One  Aug 12, 2019 • 2:59:58pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:01:29pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Yep, stops it from spinning.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:02:30pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

As to “Skyfall,” unless the Air Force has been doing some testing that they by all rights should have been dissuaded from ages ago, then the closest the US ever got to a nuclear-powered cruise missile was Project Pluto back in the 50s & 60s. And the kibosh was put on that project not because anything on the ground that avoided death from the Mach 3 supersonic shockwave being right above their heads would wind up dead from the radioactive exhaust the missile put out, but because the AF rightly deduced that the Soviets would just build one of their own. And considering the state of sophistication of Soviet nuclear tech in the same time period (see: submarine K-19, aka “Hiroshima”), the idea of Moscow possessing such a weapon scared the ever-loving bejesus out of everybody with a stronger grip on reality than a character from Dr. Strangelove.

The DOD also rightly deduced if the Soviet Union discovered there was such a doomsday missile which could fly over their territory for decades spewing radioactive particles, their only choice would be a massive first-strike against the United States to try to prevent that.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:03:24pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t hold back:

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I really don’t know where to begin with this shit. Perhaps the easiest place would be with the Confederate gov’t, which made clear on numerous occasions that it would not allow slaves to serve in any combat capacity because the greatest fear it had was armed slaves turning on their masters. The opponents of such even said aloud that if they did such, it would totally undermine the entire reason they were fighting the war. And much like the Reich shoving rifles into the arms of old men and boys in ‘45, it was only when they had virtually no warm bodies left to fight that the Confederate gov’t agreed to the formation of all-black units with the (empty) promise of freedom if they served. Which was pointless because none of those units saw active combat before the war ended.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:07:09pm

My wife is watching a “History” Channel video on YouTube talking about MUFON.

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Jay C  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:09:33pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

As to “Skyfall,” unless the Air Force has been doing some testing that they by all rights should have been dissuaded from ages ago, then the closest the US ever got to a nuclear-powered cruise missile was Project Pluto back in the 50s & 60s. And the kibosh was put on that project not because anything on the ground that avoided death from the Mach 3 supersonic shockwave being right above their heads would wind up dead from the radioactive exhaust the missile put out, but because the AF rightly deduced that the Soviets would just build one of their own. And considering the state of sophistication of Soviet nuclear tech in the same time period (see: submarine K-19, aka “Hiroshima”), the idea of Moscow possessing such a weapon scared the ever-loving bejesus out of everybody with a stronger grip on reality than a character from Dr. Strangelove.

Jeez, the things you learn just by reading LGF!
I knew the G had worked on all sorts of weird atom-powered stuff back in the day, but I never knew that they had actually built a “nuclear ramjet”!

Weird

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:18:45pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

He always does the stupid “not good.” Man I miss having an intelligent President.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:19:03pm

re: #82 lawhawk

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Why isn’t Jacob Wohl in jail?

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b.d.  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:19:55pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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No offer of US assistance? No condolences for the dead and injured? No lecturing about the inanity of putting a nuclear power plant on a rocket? Just a “my rocket is bigger than yours” tweet?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:20:32pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

There has been some recent work on nuclear-thermal rockets but that is a whole different animal from the nuclear ramjet. It really is rocket surgery, though, so trying to explain the distinction to Cheeto would be like trying to teach a pig to sing (as Heinlein readers will recognize.)

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Teddy's Person  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:24:18pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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You know, at least Beto tried. Trump would roll on by in his limo and toss his diet Coke can at the stranded motorist.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:25:13pm

re: #167 Jay C

Jeez, the things you learn just by reading LGF!
I knew the G had worked on all sorts of weird atom-powered stuff back in the day, but I never knew that they had actually built a “nuclear ramjet”!

Weird

You have to take into consideration that during the same time period, the ICBM was just making the transition from theory to viable weapons system. The manned bomber still reigned supreme as the nuclear delivery method, with both sides even going so far as to test a nuclear-powered bomber prototype.

But the number of bombers (and men) needed to defeat Soviet air-defense radars was cost-prohibitive, so cruise missiles became the next logical step. But even cruise missiles of today are short-ranged compared to a bomber, so in the 50s the idea of launching a missile from the US to hit Moscow was foolhardy.

Enter the boffins and their proposal of a nuclear ramjet, which eliminated the range issue and meant the missiles could be kept in the air indefinitely. Sure, the exhaust would be highly radioactive and there was a good chance chunks of the engine and tailpipe would fall off in-flight. But it was “cheap,” it was within the capabilities of the US in 1957, and it would circle the square, so the brass signed off on the project.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:26:44pm

MrBWS shares a work photo that he took:

lineman at work
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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:28:21pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’d rather hear of more work on the VASIMIR project is doing that the NERVA style heaters.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:28:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:29:33pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:29:48pm

My fav theory

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:31:51pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, much like the Iran airstrike, the motivation for shitcanning the whole idea was not that it would be morally or ethically wrong, but because of the worry of negative press.

Yegods.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:32:55pm
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b.d.  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:33:21pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

So, much like the Iran airstrike, the motivation for shitcanning the whole idea was not that it would be morally or ethically wrong, but because of the worry of negative press.

Yegods.

Well, when you die and go to heaven St. Peter does pull up all of the headlines written about you.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:34:22pm

More Republican corruption, a thread of four tweets and link to Texas Monthly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:34:49pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

So, much like the Iran airstrike, the motivation for shitcanning the whole idea was not that it would be morally or ethically wrong, but because of the worry of negative press.

Yegods.

Patti thought it was a done deal:

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:35:10pm
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KGxvi  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:37:46pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

So, much like the Iran airstrike, the motivation for shitcanning the whole idea was not that it would be morally or ethically wrong, but because of the worry of negative press.

Yegods.

The only standard of morals and/or ethics is presidential approval ratings…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:39:49pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:41:22pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS shares a work photo that he took:

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You never told us he was so handsome! Rawr.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:42:57pm

re: #187 sagehen

You never told us he was so handsome! Rawr.

LOL…he most resembles Santa Claus.
He’s the photographer…guy on the pole is one of his crew.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:43:59pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There has been some recent work on nuclear-thermal rockets but that is a whole different animal from the nuclear ramjet. It really is rocket surgery, though, so trying to explain the distinction to Cheeto would be like trying to teach a pig to sing (as Heinlein readers will recognize.)

What is the point of these anyway, I mean given modern miniaturized warheads? The increase in payload just doesn’t seem necessary or worth the obvious downside risk. For one thing, a nuclear rocket or nuclear ramjet cruise missile is intrinsically a dirty nuclear weapon, even if you strap a conventional bomb to it. Whereas a conventional rocket or missile is a dual use platform.

I do not fucking get it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:46:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:48:23pm

The acting director of the Citizenship and Immigration Service office, Ken Cuccinelli, fielded question during Monday’s White House press briefing regarding new immigration regulations. One of the more pointed questions: Should the plaque on the Statue of Liberty be removed?

Cuccinelli outlined the new “public charge” rule that allows the federal government to take into account income and education while reviewing a potential immigrant’s request for a visa or green card. Officials say this will ensure that those who are granted access to the U.S. can be financially self-sufficient taxpayers who aren’t in need of federal entitlements.

CBS Radio’s Steven Portnoy asked if the new rule comes into conflict with the Statue of Liberty’s embrace of the downtrodden. He asked if the plaque should be removed.

“As long as the public charge has been in effect since the late 1800s, there’s also been, almost as long, the words at the base of the Statue of Liberty that read, ‘Give us your tired, your poor...’ You’re implementing a public charge rule for the first time,” Portnoy said. “Is that sentiment … still operative in the United States … or should the plaque come down off the statue?”

Cucinelli said there are no plans to remove the famous plaque and cheered America’s track record as having a wide embrace.

“Well I’m certainly not prepared to take anything down off the Statue of Liberty,” he replied. “We have a long history of being one of the most welcoming nations in the world, on a lot of bases. Whether you be an asylee, whether you be coming here to join your family, or emigrating yourself … I do not think, by any means, we’re ready to take anything off the Statue of Liberty.”

Oh, fuck off Ken. Just fuck right off.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:48:25pm

I know this country has finally gone over the event horizon when I see Mia Khalifa trending on Twitter…

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:48:36pm

Well, there are a remarkable amount of people on twitter that don’t know the northern and southern hemispheres have opposite seasons.

It’s in the same percentage as those who don’t know the sun is a star.

*weeps for the world*

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:49:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:49:59pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of horses (asses)

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Made me think of this….

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MsJ  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:50:17pm

re: #178 I Would Prefer Not To

My fav theory

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This GIF!! 😂😂😂

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:54:47pm

Translation:

My son kills dogs, and my daughter was your most stupid employee, and there are photos where I gently lick the anus of the metro rat.

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:54:55pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:55:04pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

What is the point of these anyway, I mean given modern miniaturized warheads? The increase in payload just doesn’t seem necessary or worth the obvious downside risk. For one thing, a nuclear rocket or nuclear ramjet cruise missile is intrinsically a dirty nuclear weapon, even if you strap a conventional bomb to it. Whereas a conventional rocket or missile is a dual use platform.

I do not fucking get it.

Simple answer? Range. A nuclear ramjet can be kept in the air indefinitely, meaning you could launch it from a spot that early-warning satellites don’t routinely monitor, send it on a winding path that bypasses air-defense radars, and then attack multiple targets before your enemy even realizes what the hell is going on. It’s a purely first-strike weapon, which is why the McNamara-era DOD axed it once the reality that the Soviets would develop their own put MAD in danger.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:55:58pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

What is the point of these anyway, I mean given modern miniaturized warheads? The increase in payload just doesn’t seem necessary or worth the obvious downside risk. For one thing, a nuclear rocket or nuclear ramjet cruise missile is intrinsically a dirty nuclear weapon, even if you strap a conventional bomb to it. Whereas a conventional rocket or missile is a dual use platform.

I do not fucking get it.

The point is to make the target area uninhabitable permanently.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:58:12pm

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The point is to make the target area uninhabitable permanently.

Rather than the testing area, as in this example?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 12, 2019 • 3:59:24pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

What is the point of these anyway, I mean given modern miniaturized warheads? The increase in payload just doesn’t seem necessary or worth the obvious downside risk. For one thing, a nuclear rocket or nuclear ramjet cruise missile is intrinsically a dirty nuclear weapon, even if you strap a conventional bomb to it. Whereas a conventional rocket or missile is a dual use platform.

I do not fucking get it.

Nuclear thermal rockets are only suitable for space propulsion, where the higher specific impulse becomes an advantage. No NT rocket has enough thrust to lift itself off the ground. Once free of gravity though they can keep thrusting much longer than a chemical rocket with the same propellant mass.
The original NERVA rocket was intended to replace the SIVB as the third stage of a developed Saturn V. This was part of a huge Apollo follow-on project that would have included a space station and ebentual flights to Mars. It included a re -usable shuttle to service the space station. The latter ended up being the only part of the system to survive massive budget cuts, being recast as the all-singing, all-dancing Space Transportation System, the familiar Shuttle.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:00:36pm

re: #197 I Would Prefer Not To

LOL (had to use a translate program though).

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:01:01pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

Simple answer? Range. A nuclear ramjet can be kept in the air indefinitely, meaning you could launch it from a spot that early-warning satellites don’t routinely monitor, send it on a winding path that bypasses air-defense radars, and then attack multiple targets before your enemy even realizes what the hell is going on. It’s a purely first-strike weapon, which is why the McNamara-era DOD axed it once the reality that the Soviets would develop their own put MAD in danger.

I guess there’s a perverse logic to that but any advantage would be ephemeral when you factor in the inevitable reprisal from enemy submarines.

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The point is to make the target area uninhabitable permanently.

That’s guaranteed already with existing weapons.

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MsJ  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:03:54pm

re: #198 plansbandc

I literally burst out laughing. Hubby was like I GOTTA SEE! Then he did the same.

I’m wiping my eyes still. 😂😂

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:04:25pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

I guess there’s a perverse logic to that but any advantage would be ephemeral when you factor in the inevitable reprisal from enemy submarines.

That’s guaranteed already with existing weapons.

The idea of the original Project Pluto was the cruise missile would carry a number of bombs, with the targets identified by downlooking cameras (we still use that technology developed in that project today).

After the bombs were dropped, the cruise missile could indefinitely fly a preprogrammed or random path for decades, unless it had a mechanical failure or was shot down. It would continuously spray radioactive particles for as long as it was in the air, hitting farms, villages, and other things not normally targeted by a nuclear weapon.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:04:40pm

Honestly the Russians are fucking idiots if they thought they needed a nuclear ramjet cruise missile to bypass our interceptors. All they need to do is stop spin stabilizing their warheads and let them tumble on the way down. Who gives a shit about pinpoint precision when you’re lobbing city killers.

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:04:54pm

re: #205 MsJ

Cry laughed here too. The daughter’s reaction kills me.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:07:42pm

I have an honest question. What major weapon system have the Russian’s developed and built since the fall of the Soviet Union? Not prototypes, I mean series production.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:07:50pm
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MsJ  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:08:31pm

re: #209 Kilroy was here

I have an honest question. What major weapon system have the Russian’s developed and built since the fall of the Soviet Union? Not prototypes, I mean series production.

Please add… That’s more technologically advanced than what we have.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:08:36pm

re: #208 plansbandc

Cry laughed here too. The daughter’s reaction kills me.

(0:13, wait for the end):

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:09:10pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

I guess there’s a perverse logic to that but any advantage would be ephemeral when you factor in the inevitable reprisal from enemy submarines.

The general idea is that you could have multiple of these cruise missiles in a holding pattern, waiting for a “go” code to be transmitted before carrying out pre-programmed bombing runs. They’d be intended for decapitation strikes, going after sites like command centers, radar arrays, missiles sites, and airbases. By the time your enemy realizes what’s happening, his ability to respond is at worst diminished and at best totally neutralized.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:10:13pm

re: #209 Kilroy was here

I have an honest question. What major weapon system have the Russian’s developed and built since the fall of the Soviet Union? Not prototypes, I mean series production.

The Topol-M. The latest versions have been designed with inbound phase maneuverability directly as a result of W’s unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:10:44pm

re: #209 Kilroy was here

I have an honest question. What major weapon system have the Russian’s developed and built since the fall of the Soviet Union? Not prototypes, I mean series production.

Borei-class SSBNs, for one.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:16:28pm

The MUFON program my wife is watching on the “History” Channel is now talking about Admiral Byrd discovering Nazis in Antarctica.

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:17:20pm

re: #209 Kilroy was here

I have an honest question. What major weapon system have the Russian’s developed and built since the fall of the Soviet Union? Not prototypes, I mean series production.

T14 Armata

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:17:32pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread

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We know how this case will turn out with the current Court; a 5-4 vote that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation isn’t sex discrimination.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:18:49pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

The Topol-M. Designed with inbound phase maneuverability directly as a result of W’s unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

Yah, but it is just an upgrade to their RT-2PM Topol which was first deployed in 1985.

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:19:15pm

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I like these people. They make me laugh! :D

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:19:25pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

more in the continuing sputtering “I AM NOT A RACIST!!11!!”

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These two attention-seeking con women of course welcome their white supremacist overlords, and are reminding Trump that as trusted internet and TV talking head hucksters they can be helpful in rounding up others to once again toil in the cotton fields.

Hail Ants.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:20:18pm

When I see something funny or interesting on Twitter, I am immediately reminded of why I won’t sign up.

Here’s an ass:

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:21:18pm

re: #219 Kilroy was here

Yah, but it is just an upgrade to their RT-2PM Topol which was first deployed in 1985.

And the M1A3 is an upgrade of the M1 tank that was introduced in 1980. The Army is still carrying around M16s and M4s decades after both were introduced into service. We rely upon Minuteman III missiles that were first deployed in 1970.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:21:54pm

re: #217 William Lewis

T14 Armata

The Russian Army initially planned to acquire 2,300 T-14s between 2015 and 2020. Production and fiscal shortfalls delayed this to 2025, and then to the cancellation of the main production run.] The test batch of 100 is to be delivered and deployed to the Taman division, with delivery expected to be completed by 2020; tanks will be transferred only after the completion of all state tests.
en.wikipedia.org
So test batch only - no production run.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:23:09pm

Why in the world is Putin wasting money on these systems when the successful Russian attacks on our election vulnerabilities has put their asset in the WH and rendered us powerless to confront them? Almost the entire GOP is in his pocket. What purpose do these weapons serve?

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:23:21pm

re: #190 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:25:34pm

I just learned that “USO” stands for “unidentified submerged objects” (referring to UFOs which dive below the sea). Those donations I give to the USO? I’m supporting aliens apparently.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:25:56pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

And the M1A3 is an upgrade of the M1 tank that was introduced in 1980. The Army is still carrying around M16s and M4s decades after both were introduced into service. We rely upon Minuteman III missiles that were first deployed in 1970.

Good point. Thanks.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:25:56pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:26:43pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

And the M1A3 is an upgrade of the M1 tank that was introduced in 1980. The Army is still carrying around M16s and M4s decades after both were introduced into service. We rely upon Minuteman III missiles that were first deployed in 1970.

We’re also still flying B52’s and C130s, both first flew in the 1950’s.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:28:04pm

(thread, seven tweets)

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b.d.  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:28:51pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I just learned that “USO” stands for “unidentified submerged objects” (referring to UFOs which dive below the sea). Those donations I give to the USO? I’m supporting aliens apparently.

I think you’re buying them towels…

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:29:57pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I just learned that “USO” stands for “unidentified submerged objects” (referring to UFOs which dive below the sea). Those donations I give to the USO? I’m supporting aliens apparently.

Why “USO”? UFO can also stand for “Underwater Flying Object.” I learned that from The Abyss.

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:31:03pm

I watched the Bill Maher show with The Mooch that put Trump’s panties in a twist. Christ, Mooch was bending over backwards to cut Trump slack, and to “Kellyanne” the rest of the group. At worst, he was praising him with faint damns (you might say).

And Trump goes nuts on Twitter. What a fucking baby!

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:31:40pm

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

We’re also still flying B52’s and C130s, both first flew in the 1950’s.

Really, the only reason that we’re flying F-22s and the Russians are struggling to build their own equivalent is purely down to funding. It’s not that the Russians aren’t innovative, they’ve certainly shown in recent decades that they still have the ability to match or even beat us. It’s just that they don’t have the raw cash necessary to keep up.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:31:49pm

re: #225 Hecuba’s daughter

Why in the world is Putin wasting money on these systems when the successful Russian attacks on our election vulnerabilities has put their asset in the WH and rendered us powerless to confront them? Almost the entire GOP is in his pocket. What purpose do these weapons serve?

I can think of one reason:

With the massive tax scam passed by the GOP, Russia can now do to us what we did to the Soviet Union (make us spend into complete bankruptcy and collapse, followed by the breakup of the United States).

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:32:43pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

I watched the Bill Maher show with The Mooch that put Trump’s panties in a twist. Christ, Mooch was bending over backwards to cut Trump slack, and to “Kellyanne” the rest of the group. At worst, he was praising him with faint damns (you might say).

And Trump goes nuts on Twitter. What a fucking baby!

Trump sees his defenders in the media like he sees his bodyguards: They’re there to take a bullet for him, no matter how ridiculous the situation may be. If they aren’t willing to do that, then he has no use for them.

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:34:03pm

An HBO Twitter drama

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Chrysicat  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:35:08pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The MUFON program my wife is watching on the “History” Channel is now talking about Admiral Byrd discovering Nazis in Antarctica.

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Dear Lord. I just realised how that Trump tweet can be read, by reading into the complaints from parts of National Security Twitter, and it’s not good.

Namely, that Project Pluto was never canned but just went black, that we have them up there now because we found a way to have no particles in the exhaust, and that Trump just inadvertently declassified it because the Russians slammed a SLAM into the terrain just south of Arkhangelsk.

We’re all gonna die.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:35:36pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

An HBO Twitter drama

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“HE DID IT FIRST!” was not an excuse for torturing POWs, it sure as fuck it not an excuse for operating concentration camps.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:36:14pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

Really, the only reason that we’re flying F-22s and the Russians are struggling to build their own equivalent is purely down to funding. It’s not that the Russians aren’t innovative, they’ve certainly shown in recent decades that they still have the ability to match or even beat us. It’s just that they don’t have the raw cash necessary to keep up.

I put it down to brain drain brought on by 30 years of neglected infrastructure and an oppressive political climate. Way easier to get a job in the west.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:36:44pm

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I can think of one reason:

With the massive tax scam passed by the GOP, Russia can now do to us what we did to the Soviet Union (make us spend into complete bankruptcy and collapse, followed by the breakup of the United States).

That would be true if Russia was an economic powerhouse. But other than the oligarchs (including Putin) stealing money from their nation, what wealth does Russia have that would allow them to support this development, unless, of course, they are being funded by China which is really on target to be the wealthiest, most powerful nation on Earth.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:36:55pm

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I can think of one reason:

With the massive tax scam passed by the GOP, Russia can now do to us what we did to the Soviet Union (make us spend into complete bankruptcy and collapse, followed by the breakup of the United States).

Except they can’t. The US literally can’t go bankrupt; and certainly not due to an arms race with a country as poor as Russia.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:37:14pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

They seem pretty confident that SCOTUS will overturn Roe v. Wade for good and as currently configured, they’re probably right.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:37:49pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

“HE DID IT FIRST!” was not an excuse for torturing POWs, it sure as fuck it not an excuse for operating concentration camps.

Dollars 2 donuts, if torturing little children in concentration camps was something that Obama actually did, Trump would have already abolished it by Day 2 with an Executive Order.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:38:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:39:01pm

Now they’re talking about Denver International Airport (urgh)

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:39:57pm

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

They seem pretty confident that SCOTUS will overturn Roe v. Wade for good and as currently configured, they’re probably right.

That is a double edge sword. The Republicans get out the vote campaign would lose its top seller and Blue states would still have the right in place.
Of course they still have guns but that doesn’t get the theocrats out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:42:10pm

OH NOES

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:42:11pm

re: #248 Kilroy was here

That is a double edge sword. The Republicans get out the vote campaign would lose its top seller and Blue states would still have the right in place.
Of course they still have guns but that doesn’t get the theocrats out.

They can still get their theocrats out by pushing for a federal law to make abortion illegal nationwide instead of just in red states.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:43:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:44:35pm

re: #243 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Except they can’t. The US literally can’t go bankrupt; and certainly not due to an arms race with a country as poor as Russia.

Why can’t we? Remember Trump saying he wanted to default on the debt? Does not paying your bills (or not being able to) have the same effect?

Russia doesn’t have to produce a working fleet of these things, they just have to convince chickenhawks in Congress they can, so they spend more money on weapons programs and less on the country as a whole.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:45:34pm

Your ideas were tempered in the crucible of ideas, and found to be failures.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:45:41pm

re: #243 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Except they can’t. The US literally can’t go bankrupt; and certainly not due to an arms race with a country as poor as Russia.

Yep —- Russia is ranked number 12 for GDP, behind Italy, Brazil, Canada, and South Korea. Its GDP is 8% of ours.

OTOH, with Trump’s brilliant management the US can go bankrupt — but not due to this arms race. After all, Trump managed to wreck every investment he had, except of course his run for the WH.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:46:22pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I just learned that “USO” stands for “unidentified submerged objects” (referring to UFOs which dive below the sea). Those donations I give to the USO? I’m supporting aliens apparently.

Gerry Anderson’s UFO: Opening Titles (1080p HD)

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:46:58pm

Tulsi isn’t popular enough to do any harm. She’s polling at 0.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:48:27pm

re: #249 The Pie Overlord!

OH NOES

He seems to be there.

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Chrysicat  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:50:10pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:51:28pm

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

Tulsi isn’t popular enough to do any harm. She’s polling at 0.

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If Donny’s hope is that Tulsi launches a 3rd party run, then I got bad news.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:52:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:52:41pm

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Why can’t we? Remember Trump saying he wanted to default on the debt? Does not paying your bills (or not being able to) have the same effect?

Russia doesn’t have to produce a working fleet of these things, they just have to convince chickenhawks in Congress they can, so they spend more money on weapons programs and less on the country as a whole.

Because our debt is all in a currency we print. We could, if we wanted to, print 23 Trillion dollars and pay off all our national debt in one go, and there’s nothing our creditors could do to stop us, or demand other payment.

Other countries, whose debt is denominated in currencies they don’t control, don’t have that option. Let’s say you’re Greece, and you owe $400 Billion, denominated in dollars. You can’t print dollars. You can print a lot of drachmas, maybe, but if you do, the exchange rate would kill you and you’ll never be paid off.

Now, for the US to simply print money to cover the debt would be a TERRIBLY BAD IDEA, because it would devalue our currency, but we could literally make all the debt go away at once. And probably never be able to borrow another dime.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:53:19pm

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Why can’t we? Remember Trump saying he wanted to default on the debt? Does not paying your bills (or not being able to) have the same effect?

The US will always be able to pay its bills because it can print its own money (unless Congress does something stupid like vote to not pay its bills, which could cause a global depression).

Russia doesn’t have to produce a working fleet of these things, they just have to convince chickenhawks in Congress they can, so they spend more money on weapons programs and less on the country as a whole.

The GOP wants to spend less money on the nation as a whole anyway; they don’t need an arms race with Russia as an excuse.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:54:43pm

re: #254 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep —- Russia is ranked number 12 for GDP, behind Italy, Brazil, Canada, and South Korea. Its GDP is 8% of ours.

OTOH, with Trump’s brilliant management the US can go bankrupt — but not due to this arms race. After all, Trump managed to wreck every investment he had, except of course his run for the WH.

Even Trump can’t bankrupt the US, even if he tries.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:55:20pm

re: #263 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even Trump can’t bankrupt the US, even if he tries.

Fuck up our credit, yes. Bankrupt us, no.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 4:56:14pm

From February..
More and More Russians Are Fleeing Oppression in Russia
atlanticcouncil.org

Among the newest group, 58 percent of respondents noted that they had “lived comfortably” in Russia prior to leaving, further indicating that economic hardship is less of a motivating factor for emigration than in previous decades.

Half of the respondents were under the age of thirty-four and 86 percent were under forty-four. Only 19 percent of respondents indicated that they had less than a bachelor’s degree and many said they had multiple higher education degrees.

“So long as authoritarianism and politically connected economic privilege continue in Russia,” the authors write, “talented people will continue to leave.”

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:00:28pm

NY Times editor on Trump headline: It was a ‘f—-ing’ mess
thehill.com

“He’s sick. He feels terrible,” Baquet reportedly said of the person who wrote the initial headline, which he called a “f—-ing mess” while urging staffers not to overreact to scrutiny the publication receives on social media.

- lesson ignored -

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:01:07pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Because our debt is all in a currency we print. We could, if we wanted to, print 23 Trillion dollars and pay off all our national debt in one go, and there’s nothing our creditors could do to stop us, or demand other payment.

Other countries, whose debt is denominated in currencies they don’t control, don’t have that option. Let’s say you’re Greece, and you owe $400 Billion, denominated in dollars. You can’t print dollars. You can print a lot of drachmas, maybe, but if you do, the exchange rate would kill you and you’ll never be paid off.

Now, for the US to simply print money to cover the debt would be a TERRIBLY BAD IDEA, because it would devalue our currency, but we could literally make all the debt go away at once. And probably never be able to borrow another dime.

Except the Federal Reserve is not directly controlled by the government. The member banks would slaughter every member of the Fed if they tried that.

Even if the Fed could do that, hyperinflation is essentially the same thing. It is not bankruptcy in the sense you can’t pay your bills, but you’ve effectively made it so you can never pay a bill again.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:04:53pm

re: #266 Kilroy was here

The Times’s publisher, A.G. Sulzberger, also addressed staff during the meeting, at one point citing a statistic that only a small percentage of Twitter users tweeting about the newspaper’s stories were clicking on them.

Why would they, with Dumpster fire headlines like that?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:06:50pm

re: #265 Kilroy was here

From February..
More and More Russians Are Fleeing Oppression in Russia
atlanticcouncil.org

Among the newest group, 58 percent of respondents noted that they had “lived comfortably” in Russia prior to leaving, further indicating that economic hardship is less of a motivating factor for emigration than in previous decades.

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The only reason Putin and his shills don’t openly support the “fake moon landing’ lie is the fear that Russian space scientists would leave en masse if they did.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:06:58pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The Times’s publisher, A.G. Sulzberger, also addressed staff during the meeting, at one point citing a statistic that only a small percentage of Twitter users tweeting about the newspaper’s stories were clicking on them.

Why would they, with Dumpster fire headlines like that?

Gee, I can’t understand why the Dead Tree Media is having so much trouble adapting in the era of social media. Tis a mystery…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:07:48pm

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Except the Federal Reserve is not directly controlled by the government. The member banks would slaughter every member of the Fed if they tried that.

Even if the Fed could do that, hyperinflation is essentially the same thing. It is not bankruptcy in the sense you can’t pay your bills, but you’ve effectively made it so you can never pay a bill again.

Don’t conflate “bankrupt” with “not able to borrow MORE money”, because they’re not the same thing. Bankrupt means you can’t borrow more (who would loan to you?) AND you still owe all the money.

And the Federal Reserve is PART OF the government. It may act somewhat independently, but it’s still part of the government.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:08:57pm

re: #263 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even Trump can’t bankrupt the US, even if he tries.

With the assistance of the GOP, SCOTUS, and Russia, he could destroy this nation by fragmenting it into 50 pieces.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:10:05pm

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Except the Federal Reserve is not directly controlled by the government. The member banks would slaughter every member of the Fed if they tried that.

Even if the Fed could do that, hyperinflation is essentially the same thing. It is not bankruptcy in the sense you can’t pay your bills, but you’ve effectively made it so you can never pay a bill again.

Also, no, hyperinflation is NOT the same thing. Hyperinflation would essentially zero out EVERYONE’S debts, because they’re ALL denominated in dollars.

There are a lot of ways for things to be completely fucked up without them all being the same thing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:10:33pm

Helpful Hint!

Don’t go into a Wendy’s with a $¢ientologi$t in front of you ordering 70 burgers…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:11:41pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The Times’s publisher, A.G. Sulzberger, also addressed staff during the meeting, at one point citing a statistic that only a small percentage of Twitter users tweeting about the newspaper’s stories were clicking on them.

Why would they, with Dumpster fire headlines like that?

Perhaps someone should explain the concept of twitter ratio to Sulzberger.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:12:52pm

re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹

Helpful Hint!

Don’t go into a Wendy’s with a $¢ientologi$t in front of you ordering 70 burgers…

Just whisper in their ear that the restaurant puts psychotropic drugs in the meat. They’ll immediately vacate the premises like their ass is on fire.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:15:13pm

WTFITS

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:15:14pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The Times’s publisher, A.G. Sulzberger, also addressed staff during the meeting, at one point citing a statistic that only a small percentage of Twitter users tweeting about the newspaper’s stories were clicking on them.

Why would they, with Dumpster fire headlines like that?

For all the flaws in the NYTimes in its coverage of the 20th and 21st centuries, it is one of the few papers that still does in depth analysis of critical events and personalities of our time. You may have to wade through nonsense, but the articles are there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:15:20pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, no, hyperinflation is NOT the same thing. Hyperinflation would essentially zero out EVERYONE’S debts, because they’re ALL denominated in dollars.

There are a lot of ways for things to be completely fucked up without them all being the same thing.

To understand this, let’s say my mortgage principal is $1 Million. And let’s say we get hit by hyperinflation, such that today’s dollar becomes worth $0.001 dollar (1000X inflation). I can now pay off my mortgage for the equivalent of $1000.

That, BTW, is way less than Venezuela’s rate of inflation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:16:17pm

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

Drinking bleach will not cure cancer or autism, FDA warns

It may, however, end them.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:17:57pm

Professional advice from a professional veterinarian on cat care.

SQUISH THAT CAT

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:18:05pm

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Welcome to 2019, where our medical authorities have to address snake oil nonsense that would have been ridiculous in 1819.

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:18:43pm

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

“Behind the Bastards” podcast did a whole thing about the nutjob who pushes the bleach. It’s vile.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:20:04pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

Welcome to 2019, where our medical authorities have to address snake oil nonsense that would have been ridiculous in 1819.

A guy was selling a cure for infections in the early 1900s that we now call antifreeze. It killed a bunch of kids. It led to the FDA. It’s not that it has never been here. We just thought it had gone away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:20:07pm

A few here were asking about how goes progress on the hobbit house.
Four photos of the kitchen (private tag for those who don’t want to scroll through them):

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:20:53pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

A few here were asking about how goes progress on the hobbit house.
Four photos of the kitchen (private tag for those who don’t want to scroll through them):

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The ceiling is too high.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:21:35pm

re: #286 Belafon

The ceiling is too high.

Unless Mr. BWS is a hobbit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:22:30pm

re: #281 The Pie Overlord!

Professional advice from a professional veterinarian on cat care.

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Video

yeah, my cats say “just try that ONE FUCKN TIME…”

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:22:33pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

YeOHQzFogsP4UtlXlklMlcUcVB8hM2NoroNFMHUL3eY=

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:22:56pm

re: #284 Belafon

A guy was selling a cure for infections in the early 1900s that we now call antifreeze. It killed a bunch of kids. It led to the FDA. It’s not that it has never been here. We just thought it had gone away.

Well, it was a good run….

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:27:52pm

There is an editorial in my regional newspaper today by its political cartoonist (he sometimes writes editorials) decrying the cities of Gering’s and Scottsbluff’s residents for not providing input for the two cities’ “comprehensive plan.” (In this state, every incorporated city needs to provide such a plan to the state annually: It represents how the city is planning maintenance, expenditures, expansions, &c. Our village holds those in the meeting before the budget workshop every year.)

The thing is, the two cities did that by Internet surveys. La de da, most people even in the two largest cities in the Panhandle have no Internet service, because monopoly and $$$.

I can think of several better ways to get more people to respond in those cities, from mailing surveys to sending people round to random (or all) houses to ask questions, to even running a survey in the newspaper and asking people to drop off the answers in the mail or at the cities’ halls. (That would also cost $$$ and they’re run by Republicans, so they aren’t going to do that either.)

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:28:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:28:57pm

re: #286 Belafon

The ceiling is too high.

LOL!
Fun fact about that ceiling: the poplar beams were salvaged from a 19th century house. The planking above the beams is tongue and groove flooring that comes from one of the biggest tobacco warehouses in the area (and where we sold our tobacco at auction back in the day). That warehouse was built in the very early 1900s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:29:30pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

Unless Mr. BWS is a hobbit.

He is often mistaken for Gimli.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:31:22pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

He is often mistaken for Gimli.

As long as he’s not mistaken for Gimlet, because then he’d get drunk.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:31:40pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

Welcome to 2019, where our medical authorities have to address snake oil nonsense that would have been ridiculous in 1819.

This is the “Right To Try” quack bullshit that Trump just legalized.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:33:23pm

While we were having the horrible thunderstorms yesterday, people were out driving.

There was a two-car collision north of the county seat on US-385 resulting in five deaths. US-385 is a two-lane road (except for passing lanes in the Sandhills).

The Nebraska State Patrol says a northbound sport utility vehicle went out of control during heavy rain, crossed the center line and hit the oncoming truck.

The patrol says all five people in the SUV were killed, including the driver, 30-year-old Amy Rednest of Alliance, and an adult passenger, 31-year-old Vanessa Gomez, of Westminster, Colorado. Also killed were 14-year-old Nevaeh Montoya, of Westminster; 13-year-old Emma Reza; and 9-year-old Falicia Reza, both of Alliance.

apnews.com (Associated Press)

The driver of the truck, also from Colorado, is in the hospital in Bridgeport.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:38:49pm

re: #277 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

This is the MMS nonsense which has been promoted for years. That doesn’t have anything to do with “right to try” legislation.

Miracle Mineral Supplement (Wikipedia)

MMS is chlorine dioxide mixed with an acid upon use, such as lemon juice. (The acid releases the chlorine in solution.)

As the government has cracked down on this in the USA and Canada, grifters and missionaries (but I repeat myself) have taken this snake-oil roadshow into Africa, where there are weaker oversight agencies and laws.

Being able to peddle MMS would be the logical outcome of libertarian dreams to get rid of regulatory agencies such as the FDA or FTC. As a matter of fact, you could peddle anything if you got rid of regulatory agencies.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:41:37pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

A few here were asking about how goes progress on the hobbit house.
Four photos of the kitchen (private tag for those who don’t want to scroll through them):

[Embedded content]

Come do my house. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:42:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:43:05pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This is the MMS nonsense which has been promoted for years. That doesn’t have anything to do with “right to try” legislation.

Miracle Mineral Supplement (Wikipedia)

MMS is chlorine dioxide mixed with an acid upon use, such as lemon juice. (The acid releases the chlorine in solution.)

As the government has cracked down on this in the USA and Canada, grifters and missionaries (but I repeat myself) have taken this snake-oil roadshow into Africa, where there are weaker oversight agencies and laws.

Being able to peddle MMS would be the logical outcome of libertarian dreams to get rid of regulatory agencies such as the FDA or FTC. As a matter of fact, you could peddle anything if you got rid of regulatory agencies.

Well, of course MMS is all bullshit. But this Radium Water here, that’s the real deal!!!!
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:43:30pm

re: #297 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So sad. Just awful. I’ve lost control of a car during a snowstorm but thankfully the car I hit was parked and empty.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:43:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:44:48pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:46:45pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck up our credit, yes. Bankrupt us, no.

Only way to do that is if Congress voted to default on our debt. They won’t do that while a Republican is in the WH, and its extremely unlikely they would do it even if a Democrat wins next year.

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:47:12pm

This may be important. His choice of lawyer may indicate he wants to make a deal.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:47:43pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

After 1,827 clues, you’d think they’d get a clue (like they’re being played).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:47:51pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

The bear “forcibly breached a hole in the wall like the ‘Kool-Aid Man’ and made its escape,” the department said

Michael Weston Narrator voice:

“Drug dealers usually have bulletproof doors, but they don’t have bulletproof walls.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:47:55pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:48:28pm

re: #305 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Only way to do that is if Congress voted to default on our debt. They won’t do that while a Republican is in the WH, and its extremely unlikely they would do it even if a Democrat wins next year.

Or failed to vote not to default, which is more likely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:49:25pm

re: #306 gocart mozart

This may be important. His choice of lawyer may indicate he wants to make a deal.

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can’t find a link, but yesterday I read that Epstein’s lawyers have lawyered up, too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:49:57pm

re: #272 Hecuba’s daughter

With the assistance of the GOP, SCOTUS, and Russia, he could destroy this nation by fragmenting it into 50 pieces.

That is a possibility. the frightening thing is that the GOP has shown its fully ready to lead the nation into fascism if that is what it takes to retain power.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:50:20pm

re: #307 Anymouse 🌹🎃

After 1,827 clues, you’d think they’d get a clue (like they’re being played).

It’s like the Doomsday Cults, where they believe the world will end on a particular day, and then it doesn’t, but the fact that it didn’t end THAT day is just proof that it will DEFINITELY end on some OTHER day.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:50:38pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

can’t find a link, but yesterday I read that Epstein’s lawyers have lawyered up, too.

The wingnuts are already in that thread with “whaddabout Clinton?”

They still don’t get it that if somehow Bill Clinton is involved in this, drag his ass to court. This isn’t political.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:52:41pm

asshole

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:53:03pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:53:22pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

To understand this, let’s say my mortgage principal is $1 Million. And let’s say we get hit by hyperinflation, such that today’s dollar becomes worth $0.001 dollar (1000X inflation). I can now pay off my mortgage for the equivalent of $1000.

That, BTW, is way less than Venezuela’s rate of inflation.

Unless the US becomes a failed state, I think the risk of hyperinflation is close to zero. Since our last bout of serious inflation 40 years ago, global forces have become heavily deflationary. If the US does become a failed state, we will have much bigger worries than inflation.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:53:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:53:58pm

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

So sad. Just awful. I’ve lost control of a car during a snowstorm but thankfully the car I hit was parked and empty.

The only time I lost control of my car was on the road around NAS Oceana, when it was covered in ice. I was driving very slowly, and I just slid off the road because of its high crown into someone’s lawn.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:54:50pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

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How can you lose weight if you never shit?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:55:50pm

re: #318 The Pie Overlord!

That’s a moon.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:56:36pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The only time I lost control of my car was on the road around NAS Oceana, when it was covered in ice. I was driving very slowly, and I just slid off the road because of its high crown into someone’s lawn.

I lost control of my Dodge Colt on a hill and a curve with black ice. I was going very slowly, but had to accelerate a bit to get over the hill, and the little square car did a 360° rotation. I ended up where I started, facing where I was going, with no cars on the road. Stopped shaking and crept on home, about 5 miles away.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:57:39pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

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That’s a moon.

I didn’t see it in my admittedly short search, so:

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:57:55pm

WTH is going on in Toronto?

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:58:08pm

re: #323 Belafon

And then I found it:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:59:32pm

re: #323 Belafon

I didn’t see it in my admittedly short search, so:

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I’d have thought that would be the single most obvious answer.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:59:44pm

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

WTH is going on in Toronto?

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We’re not the only country with white supremacists.

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Sea Mexican  Aug 12, 2019 • 5:59:46pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

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That’s a moon.

Puerto Rico’s Fortaleza.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:00:23pm

thread, thirteen tweets in response:

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:00:30pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

Voting is so 20th century. Who needs to vote when Trump just rules unilaterally without any need for Congressional approval?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:00:57pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d have thought that would be the single most obvious answer.

Or, “Alderan’s moon.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:02:59pm

re: #325 Belafon

And then I found it:

I liked the tea ball better.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:03:17pm

re: #330 Skip Intro

Voting is so 20th century. Who needs to vote when Trump just rules unilaterally without any need for Congressional approval?

“Tell ‘em I’ll pay ‘em ten cents on the dollar. What’s the worst that could happen?”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:06:25pm

Thread, fifteen tweets from the columnist:

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:08:51pm

[T]he development that currently demands attention is the emergence of Senator Elizabeth Warren as something other than the candidate of policy wonks, dismissed as nonviable even among people who think she’d make an outstanding president. Her strong debate performances, a knack for organizing (based on her outstanding retail political skills), and the misfortunes affecting some of her rivals have combined to give her the clear path to the Democratic nomination that she really did not have in the early going.

Recent polls have clearly indicated that Warren is going places. The RealClearPolitics national polling averages show her as basically tied with Bernie Sanders for second place with Joe Biden’s lead narrowing. The two most recent national polls (from Quinnipiac and Economist-You Gov) place her seven and five points, respectively, ahead of Sanders. Just as important, she’s gaining strength in the early states. A new Monmouth poll from Iowa places her ten points ahead of Bernie, and just nine points behind Biden, in a state where everyone concedes she has the best organization. In New Hampshire polls, where Biden’s early lead was less formidable, she’s nipping at Sanders’s heels. Warren is in a similar position in Nevada (which holds its caucuses 11 days after the New Hampshire primary), where Politico reported yesterday that she has already built a “monster” of an organization.

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TedStriker  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:09:34pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Family Guy kool Aid Man

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:09:52pm
338
Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:13:23pm

WTFITS

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:16:50pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:18:42pm

Grover Norquist trying to get today’s Twitter ratio award.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:20:15pm

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Grover Norquist trying to get today’s Twitter ratio award.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:20:51pm

re: #337 gocart mozart

Douchecanoes who can’t spell quickly weighing in on that.

Did you know Richard Spencer is a “leftist?”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:21:59pm
344
gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:30:53pm
345
Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:34:13pm

re: #343 The Pie Overlord!

Moonbats will tell you that nightshade plant fruits like tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, and potatoes will cause things such as inflammation, such as this moonbat:
unboundwellness.com
presumably due to the extremely low quantities of certain alkaloids found in them (almost none in the fruit though).

You’d better give those tomatoes to me, just to be safe. /s Since I get my alkaloids derived directly from deadly nightshade itself in my medication, I’m pretty sure a tomato won’t hurt me.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:34:19pm

Sickest burn you will see on Twitter all day

347
Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:35:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:40:22pm
349
The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:42:08pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had a self-parallel-parking Ford Escape for 3 years but I was too intimidated to use that feature.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:42:19pm

re: #346 The Pie Overlord!

Sickest burn you will see on Twitter all day

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Not that Proudie needed my follow, but she earned it by not taking any shit in the replies.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:42:21pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

So damn fake.. No suspension movement..

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:42:52pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, that’s neat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:42:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:45:26pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

(0:30, newsreel clip)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:45:35pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:49:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:49:28pm

thread

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:50:55pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

White South African who grew up under apartheid, who fled when democracy came to SA now complaining about democracy protests in Hong Kong.

Conservatives really don’t like democracy, no matter what country they’re from, do they?

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:53:48pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:54:29pm
361
Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:55:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:58:37pm

re: #360 gocart mozart

There is money to be made by some enterprising individual who certifies video when it’s created as genuine, so so-called “deep fakes” do not get traction.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 6:59:23pm

re: #362 Anymouse 🌹🎃

There is money to be made by some enterprising individual who certifies video when it’s created as genuine, so so-called “deep fakes” do not get traction.

Exactly what I said:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:01:12pm

re: #363 Belafon

Exactly what I said:

If I had the money, I’d start such a company.

I damn well wouldn’t sell it to someone like Facebook or Twitter either.

365
Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:07:51pm

re: #356 Ace-o-aces

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:07:59pm

It would be much better if the balloons were all filled with deep red-tinted corn syrup.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:08:52pm

Stuff your “comply now” nonsense, AG Barr. Up there where you presumably stuck your copy of the Constitution.

Fourth tweet in a series about AG Barr:

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plansbandc  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:10:05pm

Watching Hannibal, because that’s the sick mood I’m in right now.

Fun fact: Well no, it’s not a fun fact, it’s disgusting. When we saw Hannibal in the theater, we were waiting in a fairly long line to get in, and there was a seven or eight year old kid in line with his parents. JFC. Been a long time and I still remember it. I wonder what that did to his head.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:10:37pm

re: #366 The Pie Overlord!

It would be much better if the balloons were all filled with deep red-tinted corn syrup.

That guy really hates balloons.

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gocart mozart  Aug 12, 2019 • 7:44:49pm

Beastie Boys — Paul Revere

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2019 • 9:03:55pm

re: #368 plansbandc

Watching Hannibal, because that’s the sick mood I’m in right now.

Fun fact: Well no, it’s not a fun fact, it’s disgusting. When we saw Hannibal in the theater, we were waiting in a fairly long line to get in, and there was a seven or eight year old kid in line with his parents. JFC. Been a long time and I still remember it. I wonder what that did to his head.

More than likely, nothing.

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2019 • 5:51:55am

re: #316 Charles Johnson

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How can you call THAT a “good diet”??

White wine with steak???
Sacrilege!


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