The GOP’s Gun Violence Talking Points Revealed: Blame the Left, Don’t Talk About White Supremacism

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You could pretty much tell already that this was the official Republican party line, but now the Tampa Bay Times has confirmed it with a document sent out by the House Republicans, instructing their surrogates to blame everything on the left. And whatever you do, don’t talk about white supremacism.

Congressional Republicans recently circulated talking points on gun violence that falsely described the El Paso massacre and other mass shootings as “violence from the left.”

A document obtained by the Tampa Bay Times and sent by House Republicans provides a framework for how to respond to anticipated questions like, “Why won’t you pass legislation to close the ‘gun show loophole’ in federal law?” and “Why shouldn’t we ban high-capacity magazines?” The answers are boilerplate Republican arguments against tougher gun restrictions.

But it also included this question: “Do you believe white nationalism is driving more mass shootings recently?” The suggested response is to steer the conversation away from white nationalism to an argument that implies both sides are to blame.

I sometimes wonder if Republicans understand how revealing it is when they dodge the issue of racism and white supremacism. They don’t want to talk about it? They can’t talk about it, because it’s about them and on some level they know it very well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:13:21pm

The first rule of White Supremacist Club is you don’t talk about White Supremacist Club!!

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:21:43pm

Both-siderism will be the death of us all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:24:39pm

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:25:14pm

Well, I can only hope that the protesters in Hong Kong aren’t like the fellow in the photo that accompanies this article:

telegraph.co.uk

because if they’re waiting for Donald Trump to free them from Beijing’s grasp, they might as well be asking for Scooby Doo to save them.

Hey….I’ve got an idea! Hong Kong should change its name to “Greenland” - then he’ll want to buy it lock, stock and barrel.

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KGxvi  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:26:20pm
But it also included this question: “Do you believe white nationalism is driving more mass shootings recently?” The suggested response is to steer the conversation away from white nationalism to an argument that implies both sides are to blame.

You know someone is going to end up fucking up this talking point (beyond the inherent fucked upness that it contains in its natural form) and basically end with some sort of “if they would all just know their place”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:29:47pm
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austin_blue  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:31:59pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Dead. Solid. Perfect.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:32:54pm

Jesus F. Christ sees this Tweet & says WTFITS

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:34:52pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Jesus F. Christ sees this Tweet & says WTFITS

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Socialist Oligarchy?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:35:01pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Jesus F. Christ sees this Tweet & says WTFITS

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Well, Moses did break all the commandments.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:38:50pm

from downstairs BFBW

I’ve watched the argument on temperature go from “It’s cooling” to “It’s not warming at all” to “Your data are falsified” to “Your weather stations are producing bias” to “It was warming but it stopped” to “It’s warming but climate changes all the time”.

On CO2, I watched it change from “It’s not rising” to “You can’t prove the CO2 is anthropogenic” to “CO2 is GOOD for you!” to silence.

And all from the same individuals. And some of them were, at least in theory, scientifically trained.

climate change / global warming, regardless of the cause, is relevant and requires mediation.

We as a species have something (presumably) not found before or anywhere else: the ability of self awareness
- which gives rise to actual awareness of the self
- we can affect the planet
- if the planet reacts, we care individually and don’t desire to have our individuality extinguished
- those who would volunteer for military service might feel a different form of personal sacrifice for the greater good (country) but not at the cost of extinguishing the species

— the planet is warming. that’s empirical. if you claim it isn’t - don’t merely pooh pooh the existing data, show the data, the source of the data and the unequivocal math. or else shut up.

in a sense it doesn’t matter **why** the planet is warming - the “effects” will be the same no matter why.

humans as a whole do some things that can change / alter / effect global temperatures - (and other weather/climate):
- we can increase/decrease greenhouse gasses
- we can increase / decrease the amount of particulates and smog

these tools we do have ***control over *** and because they can affect global temps maybe can be used to slow it down

otherwise were just doing nothing at all. sitting in the sand crying waiting to be washed over by the incoming tide.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:39:26pm

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

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KGxvi  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:40:36pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

The best marks are the marks that want to believe what you’re saying is true.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:41:07pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:41:35pm

re: #13 KGxvi

The best marks are the marks that want to believe what you’re saying is true.

That’s every con artists’s dream.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:42:47pm

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

That’s every con artists’s dream.

Yep.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:43:28pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

‘religion’ is a socially acceptable delusion

We are defenders of reason against a surging tide of human nature irrationality combined with diminishing human intelligence.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:43:29pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

Gullible? They donated $15k for him to move to DC to be closer to the political action…then he moved to Miami - with no accounting of where that $15k went.

So, yeah…gullible. And he’s another conservative huckster.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:46:45pm

my mood today:

YouTube

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:50:07pm

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:51:31pm

re: #20 DangerMan

What a colossal piece of shit that guy is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 12:58:14pm

re: #21 MsJ

What a colossal piece of shit that guy is.

He really is.

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:00:37pm

re: #20 DangerMan

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re: #21 MsJ

What a colossal piece of shit that guy is.

A lameass attempt at that vaunted conservative humor, which is to do nothing but punch down.

What a POS.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:02:01pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

He really is.

As a woman it is especially infuriating. They all see us as a body only, one that is to be used, abused, forced to give birth and if that is the result of rape, so be it.

I never had an appreciation for things republican, but now I despise anything and everything republican. Even if democrats became the most corrupt party in American history, I would never - EVER - vote for a republican again. Not ever and not under any circumstances.

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calochortus  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:04:11pm

re: #24 MsJ

Also, why would I care whether he thinks I’m attractive or not?
I have good friends, I have loving family, and I’m pretty comfortable in my own skin. (Even if I am a few pounds overweight.)

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BlueGrl21  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:09:30pm

re: #25 calochortus

Also, why would I care whether he thinks I’m attractive or not?
I have good friends, I have loving family, and I’m pretty comfortable in my own skin. (Even if I am a few pounds overweight.)

Why should I care if ANYONE finds me conventionally attractive? Especially this clown?

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calochortus  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:13:37pm

re: #26 BlueGrl21

Why should I care if ANYONE finds me conventionally attractive? Especially this clown?

Obviously, we are here for the pleasure of men. It is our duty to live up to their fantasies expectations.
/

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:18:35pm

re: #25 calochortus

Also, why would I care whether he thinks I’m attractive or not?
I have good friends, I have loving family, and I’m pretty comfortable in my own skin. (Even if I am a few pounds overweight.)

insecure people measure others by their own insecurities

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:20:09pm

I remember in the early Obama years. There was a meme- “Our women, Republican women photographed well, their women, unflattering photos of Democratic women.” I’ve never liked the Mann Coulter insult for Ann, it’s not only transphobic bs but her looks aren’t why she’s an awful person.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:24:55pm
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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:33:06pm

asinine article in the national review

As the Obama administration’s Department of Justice admitted in a 2013 memo, “universal background check” laws are unenforceable without gun registration. Retail gun sales are already registered via record-keeping by the retailer. When a dealer retires, all of his registration records must be delivered to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, where they are digitized. (ATF is currently not supposed to make its database searchable by the purchaser’s name.) The purpose of the background-check laws being pushed in Congress and the states is to expand registration by requiring the use of gun stores as intermediaries for transfers between private individuals — even loaning your shotgun to your cousin for a week.

Centralizing registration will be a future demand of the gun-prohibition lobby after Trump surrenders to the current demands. That is what has been enacted in California, where the government now has a comprehensive list of almost all gun owners and their particular firearms — thanks to records created for “universal background checks.”

Once there is registration, the next step is confiscation

see? 1, 2, 3. no other possible argument is possible. they think this is inevitable. ‘they are coming for our guns”

this is why i say concede everything:
- the current, bizarre interpretation of the 2A
- bans
- databases
- mandatory training and retraining
- insurance
TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR ARGUMENTS

which can only leave:
- “control your weapons at all times” as the only thing that matters
- lose your freedom (criminal), finances (civil) and future (2A rights gone) when you don’t

rights come with responsibilities

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:36:02pm

re: #31 DangerMan

asinine article in the national review

see? 1, 2, 3. no other possible argument is possible. they think this is inevitable. ‘they are coming for our guns”

this is why i say concede everything:
- the current, bizarre interpretation of the 2A
- bans
- databases
- mandatory training and retraining
- insurance
TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR ARGUMENTS

which can only leave:
- “control your weapons at all times” as the only thing that matters
- lose your freedom (criminal), finances (civil) and future (2A rights gone) when you don’t

rights come with responsibilities

God I loathe NRO and their dishonest hot takes. Honesty I’m fine with registration of guns. It would help solve crimes and lessen the burden of police work but NRO isn’t interested in that. They’re interested in acting like they’re knowledgeable about guns when they’re really a bunch of elitist dipshits who use the 2A to keep people angry.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:36:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:39:59pm

re: #33 The Pie Overlord!

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I would file a NLRB complaint. Not sure what the composition of the board is tho.

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KGxvi  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:41:44pm

re: #31 DangerMan

Centralizing registration will be a future demand of the gun-prohibition lobby after Trump surrenders to the current demands. That is what has been enacted in California, where the government now has a comprehensive list of almost all gun owners and their particular firearms — thanks to records created for “universal background checks.”

Once there is registration, the next step is confiscation

Bull fucking shit. We have centralized registration of cars and real estate. Nobody is coming to confiscate your car or your home. What ti does do is make it easier to determine who is legally responsible for those things and damages/injuries caused thereby.

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Axolotl  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:41:56pm

re: #24 MsJ

As a woman it is especially infuriating. They all see us as a body only, one that is to be used, abused, forced to give birth and if that is the result of rape, so be it.

I never had an appreciation for things republican, but now I despise anything and everything republican. Even if democrats became the most corrupt party in American history, I would never - EVER - vote for a republican again. Not ever and not under any circumstances.

Well, as I dude I find it infuriating as well. It is not true but like all their other bullshit lies they believe it in their mind.

Oh, well, more for me…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:42:18pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Bull fucking shit. We have centralized registration of cars and real estate. Nobody is coming to confiscate your car or your home. What ti does do is make it easier to determine who is legally responsible for those things and damages/injuries caused thereby.

Exactly.

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KGxvi  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:42:47pm

re: #33 The Pie Overlord!

Sounds like a good time to take a sick day and enjoy a three day weekend.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:43:12pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

God I loathe NRO and their dishonest hot takes. Honesty I’m fine with registration of guns. It would help solve crimes and lessen the burden of police work but NRO isn’t interested in that. They’re interested in acting like they’re knowledgeable about guns when they’re really a bunch of elitist dipshits who use the 2A to keep people angry.

i’d be fine with registration too
but i dont matter
and it will never, ever happen

the last legal owner is the only person who matters
(unless it was legit stolen and reported)
start every investigation with the manufacturer
prove who you transferred it to (likely a dealer) and that you took reasonable care when you did
then move on to that person and down the line

if you sell a gun and dont keep a record of to who and under what circumstances, then you’re left holding the bag, so take precautions to protect yourself with a few bits of paper.

no it wont always work. what it will do is make people think about being responsible.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:44:49pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

God I loathe NRO and their dishonest hot takes. Honesty I’m fine with registration of guns. It would help solve crimes and lessen the burden of police work but NRO isn’t interested in that. They’re interested in acting like they’re knowledgeable about guns when they’re really a bunch of elitist dipshits who use the 2A to keep people angry.

Not just registration but a sample bullet fired from the gun as part of the registration to match against future crimes.

And if you lose your weapon, too fucking bad, you’re on the hook for not caring for it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:45:25pm

re: #33 The Pie Overlord!

“No yelling, shouting, protesting or anything viewed as resistance will be tolerated.”

Because fuck what you workers think! You’re gonna kiss the Presidents ass and you’re going to like it!

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:47:48pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Bull fucking shit. We have centralized registration of cars and real estate. Nobody is coming to confiscate your car or your home. What ti does do is make it easier to determine who is legally responsible for those things and damages/injuries caused thereby.

like i said, i dont disagree but they will
they already do
the 2A is in the constitution. cars and houses arent
what do you think ‘shall not be infringed’ means?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:48:11pm

re: #40 MsJ

Not just registration but a sample bullet fired from the gun as part of the registration to match against future crimes.

And if you lose your weapon, too fucking bad, you’re on the hook for not caring for it.

I hear all this talk from gun owners about responsible gun owners. I ain’t seeing much and even if so, we register cards.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:49:10pm

I sometimes wonder if Republicans understand how revealing it is when they dodge the issue of racism and white supremacism. They don’t want to talk about it? They can’t talk about it, because it’s about them and on some level they know it very well.

They are following the example being set by Dear Leader, whose practice is NEVER APOLOGIZE, NEVER ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, NEVER ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY (UNLESS IT’S TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S ACHIEVEMENT)

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:49:12pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I hear all this talk from gun owners about responsible gun owners. I ain’t seeing much and even if so, we register cards.

We register DOGS.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:51:13pm

Here’s what Trump & his cult really think of Jews:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:51:15pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

He fleeced his marks to finance his move to Miami. Proves how dumb the marks are!

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:51:17pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I would file a NLRB complaint. Not sure what the composition of the board is tho.

so the only way you can get paid that day is attend a political event. you cant just clock in and do your job.

and sure, there wont be any peer pressure or repercussions if you’re the only one who doesnt show up from your crew

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Axolotl  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:52:29pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It is satisfying to see Trump’s polling in the Morning Consult poll dropping across the nation.

Wyoming was the state which was most “Trumpy” at the start of his term, at +40. Now it’s +21. That isn’t exactly a promising state for the Democrats, but that is quite an erosion for a virtual one-party state.

The most “Trumpy” state currently is Alabama, at +26 (down from +36).

Pinks and reds are where he is in the minus column against Gen Eric Democrat. Blues are where he’s above water. Texas went from +21 to +6 (not quite a swing state, but certainly a concern for the GOP).

Every place which has become a virtual toss-up (like my state) is a place the GOP will either have to spend money to hold, or sacrifice to hold Texas.

If it was just two states (Nebraska with five electoral votes versus Texas with thirty-six) the math would be simple: Sacrifice Nebraska to hold Texas. But the huge pile of states which are looking bad (Iowa six electoral votes from +9 to -11) means hanging on to Texas is going to be damn costly for the GOP.

Of course, polling this far out is mostly inside baseball for political junkies. The overall trend is clear though, the combination of the normal loss of confidence in an incumbent coupled with the stunning incompetence of the same incumbent.

His incredible coat tails also have to have the GOP at least a little worried about the Senate. (Nearly everyone he endorses gorks on election day.)

The slide bar shows how he has sunk in polling gradually since he was inaugurated.
morningconsult.com

I looks like he is in trouble in the rust best.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:52:55pm

re: #48 DangerMan

so the only way you can get paid that day is attend a political event. you cant just clock in and do your job.

and sure, there wont be any peer pressure or repercussions if you’re the only one who doesnt show up from your crew

My dad’s dad would be furious. And this is in his home of SW PA too.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:54:12pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I hear all this talk from gun owners about responsible gun owners. I ain’t seeing much and even if so, we register cards.

i know im a pain on this.
and you made the exact point

take away all the other bullshit, loser and never gonna happen arguments
take all the wind from their sails

leave them with responsible gun owners. nothing else but their own words.
be responsible or else.
nothing preemptive.
you behave irresponsibly, you face the consequences

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:54:39pm

re: #49 Axolotl

I looks like he is in trouble in the rust best.

I’d love it for sentimental reasons if the Rust Belt finished him.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:56:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:56:19pm

From the last thread:

re: #338 Semper Fi

The Comprehensive rider on your insurance might worthwhile considering the ferocious storms in your area. Maybe less than 50 bucks or so.

I have comprehensive insurance on my car. The windscreen costs less than the deductible.

The weather radio just went off. We are under a severe thunderstorm watch this afternoon.

The ice is all gone now. Our backyard is covered in leaves and branches from our elm tree.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:56:36pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I’d love it for sentimental reasons if the Rust Belt finished him.

YouTube

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:59:19pm

re: #49 Axolotl

I looks like he is in trouble in the rust best.

Good.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 1:59:25pm

re: #55 DangerMan

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Haha I do love Sam too.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:01:53pm

“Hey you fat fuck, I was talking about some totally different fat fuck”

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:02:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:03:44pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

“Hey you fat fuck, I was talking about some totally different fat fuck”

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This is all so fucking weird.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:04:14pm

re: #59 MsJ

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Canada may be next if they’re not careful.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:05:02pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Don’t I know it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:06:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:07:54pm

re: #63 The Pie Overlord!

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:08:32pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

“Hey you fat fuck, I was talking about some totally different fat fuck”

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:10:04pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

“Hey you fat fuck, I was talking about some totally different fat fuck”

This is the Donald Trump presidency, over and over again, everyday.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:10:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:11:47pm

So I was right. He personally insults a supporter and the guy loves it. Yep it’s a cult.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:12:35pm

oh wait - this part is true
left a message
didnt apologize
(in the old days a secretary would have kept calling till they got the guy)

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mmmirele  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:12:58pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Jesus F. Christ sees this Tweet & says WTFITS

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Didn’t think I’d need this quite so soon. Coming in October…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:13:05pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

This is all so fucking weird.

Not really. Trump got caught shaming one of his own supporters.

That could turn into bad news in the media.

Therefore Trump has to make up a lie, any lie, to “prove” what was seen on video and uncovered later did not happen. The press has to report it because “both sides.” It becomes another brick in the wall of conservative religion, which cannot be refuted or shown false because they have their faith and their priests (conservative pundits, politicians, and influencers) have told them what to believe.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:13:51pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

“Hey you fat fuck, I was talking about some totally different fat fuck”

Hey, ya fat fock, get ‘em outta here, go get some exercise, huh? LOSER!

Trump learns the fat fuk is a supporter, which changes EVERYTHING

Oh man, sorry but not really sorry, glad your a supporter i was really kidding glad you think I’m great, I am pretty great, thanks, MAGA.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:15:22pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not really. Trump got caught shaming one of his own supporters.

That could turn into bad news in the media.

Therefore Trump has to make up a lie, any lie, to “prove” what was seen on video and uncovered later did not happen. The press has to report it because “both sides.” It becomes another brick in the wall of conservative religion, which cannot be refuted or shown false because they have their faith and their priests (conservative pundits, politicians, and influencers) have told them what to believe.

It is fucking weird for a US President to do this but then again I’ve been saying that since 1/20/17.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:15:29pm

re: #20 DangerMan

What an asshole.

Good to know how conservatives feel about women (at least they’re willing to put it in writing without dog whistles).

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:15:53pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not really. Trump got caught shaming one of his own supporters.

That could turn into bad news in the media.

Therefore Trump has to make up a lie, any lie, to “prove” what was seen on video and uncovered later did not happen. The press has to report it because “both sides.” It becomes another brick in the wall of conservative religion, which cannot be refuted or shown false because they have their faith and their priests (conservative pundits, politicians, and influencers) have told them what to believe.

My favorite moment of the Obama presidency was that time at his rally he called someone he thought was a protester, a ‘fatty’, and demanded he be ejected from the building, and everybody laughed and we all applauded and…..oh wait that never happened.

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:16:55pm

lou dobbs is an idiot

“I know that it must just gladden your heart to see a bunch of demonstrators at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility blocking the path of a guard and then are complaining about the fact that he sought to do what is within his rights, which is to proceed to park his vehicle and go to work,” Dobbs told Homan.

“Exactly,” Homan replied, adding, “ICE employees are on edge, they’re under attack.”

people in your way stopping you from getting where you want to go? ok to run them over.

and ‘under attack’ in this case means sitting on the ground with their backs to the car/truck.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:18:18pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not really. Trump got caught shaming one of his own supporters.

That could turn into bad news in the media.

What world do you live in?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:19:04pm

re: #8 The Pie Overlord!

Jesus F. Christ sees this Tweet & says WTFITS

I honestly don’t know what to say

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:20:27pm

re: #75 Sir John Barron

My favorite moment of the Obama presidency was that time at his rally he called someone he thought was a protester, a ‘fatty’, and demanded he be ejected from the building, and everybody laughed and we all applauded and…..oh wait that never happened.

I liked it when Obama encouraged his supporters to mock McCain. Everything I read from Michelle about the whole campaign infuriates me. The Obamas were too decent people for this country. I mean that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:21:50pm

re: #76 DangerMan

lou dobbs is an idiot

people in your way stopping you from getting where you want to go? ok to run them over.

and ‘under attack’ in this case means sitting on the ground with their backs to the car/truck.

Yet this same clown thinks Obama was an autocrat.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:22:24pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

So I was right. He personally insults a supporter and the guy loves it. Yep it’s a cult.

Did you know that Obama said “I” a few times in one of his speeches?

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DangerMan  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:22:32pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yet this same clown thinks Obama was an autocrat.

i drive a stick shift

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:24:07pm

re: #76 DangerMan

lou dobbs is an idiot

people in your way stopping you from getting where you want to go? ok to run them over.

and ‘under attack’ in this case means sitting on the ground with their backs to the car/truck.

This line of thinking is no different than when Republicans tried to pass a law in North Dakota to run over protestors. Though North Dakota shot that down, that has become a standard talking point in conservative religion. You have a right to run over protestors because you’re inconvenienced. Who cares about things like a right to life?

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:26:15pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From the last thread:

I have comprehensive insurance on my car. The windscreen costs less than the deductible.

The weather radio just went off. We are under a severe thunderstorm watch this afternoon.

The ice is all gone now. Our backyard is covered in leaves and branches from our elm tree.

Will your car fit under a dumpster?

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Scottish Dragon  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:26:49pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I keep thinking Bill Mitchell can’t possibly be for real with this shit. How gullible do you have to be to go for that gibberish?

Then I remember. They ARE that gullible. They really are.

See this:

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:27:15pm

re: #81 Sir John Barron

Did you know that Obama said “I” a few times in one of his speeches?

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Zomg narcissist./// And then you have Trump who repeatedly without merit says he’s accomplished more than anyone.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:28:30pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Zomg narcissist./// And then you have Trump who repeatedly without merit says he’s accomplished more than anyone.

He’s accomplished more in the minute I’ve posted this than any mere mortal Moses could accomplish.

/////

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:29:05pm

re: #77 MsJ

What world do you live in?

Trump cares enough about how the media treats him that he complains when they don’t cover his rallies. He knows this will get coverage, even if it’s magic balance fairy coverage. He doesn’t want coverage of him mistreating his supporters, because some of them might think “well, if he did it to that guy, maybe he’ll do it to me.”

The point of religion is to short-circuit critical thinking (which is why the Texas GOP put opposition to critical thinking in their party platform). A cult is just a religion which does not yet have a respectable number of members.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:29:37pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

He’s accomplished more in the minute I’ve posted this than any mere mortal Moses could accomplish.

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I now know what it’s like to first hand experience a cult of personality.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:30:09pm

re: #84 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Will your car fit under a dumpster?

No. But a couple of them could fit inside of one.

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Mescalero09  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:34:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:34:30pm

I wonder if the next Democratic President will regularly hold any rallies?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:35:03pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:35:10pm

re: #91 Mescalero09

Jesus. Talk about a close call.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:37:08pm

re: #91 Mescalero09

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HOLY SHIT. That was close!!!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:37:52pm

From the last thread on Joe Walsh apologising and my not accepting that on face value:

re: #346 Belafon

I’m certainly glad I don’t have this attitude or I would have turned into my brother.

My unwillingness to accept an apology from a repeated liar who has not done one thing to accept responsibility for his lies is somehow a bad attitude?

I’m glad I didn’t turn into most of my family, ejecting me from the family simply because I don’t believe as they. I didn’t spend a life time demonising them, as Joe Walsh has done with anyone to the left of Genghis Khan.

Nope, as I said in my previous answer, I am not a Christian and even I know the line “faith without works is dead.” So are Joe Walsh’s statements.

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A Cranky One  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:43:40pm

Never expected to read a headline like this:

Penetration tester releases proof- of- concept code for hijacking smart buttplugs

boingboing.net

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:51:32pm

Yesterday’s storm reports.
spc.noaa.gov

You can see the ESE trending line which was the storm here last night of hail damage for a hundred fifty miles.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:53:06pm

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From the last thread on Joe Walsh apologising and my not accepting that on face value:

My unwillingness to accept an apology from a repeated liar who has not done one thing to accept responsibility for his lies is somehow a bad attitude?

I’m glad I didn’t turn into most of my family, ejecting me from the family simply because I don’t believe as they. I didn’t spend a life time demonising them, as Joe Walsh has done with anyone to the left of Genghis Khan.

Nope, as I said in my previous answer, I am not a Christian and even I know the line “faith without works is dead.” So are Joe Walsh’s statements.

Back in December 2016, Joe started expressing his outrage over Trump’s response on Russian meddling. Whatever else he may now say, Joe was one of the first Republican who voiced public concern about Russia. Trump’s other policies may be in line with standard Republican fare — but his foreign policy radically diverges from the past. And Joe was vocal about that from before Trump took office (Of course, he should have objected before the election too)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:54:02pm

re: #97 A Cranky One

Never expected to read a headline like this:

Penetration tester releases proof- of- concept code for hijacking smart buttplugs

boingboing.net

Surely you didn’t miss this one from 2017:

Maker of ‘Smart’ Vibrators Settles Data Collection Lawsuit for $3.75 Million (New York Times)

Just because you can put something on the Internet of Things doesn’t mean you should do that.

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A Cranky One  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:56:39pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Did miss that one. But the adolescent in me is still chuckling about penetration tester paired with buttplug.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:56:52pm

Political cartoonists don’t pull any punches.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:56:55pm

A friend says we should send this out on election day and see which side is affected most.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:57:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 2:59:18pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

Back in December 2016, Joe started expressing his outrage over Trump’s response on Russian meddling. Whatever else he may now say, Joe was one of the first Republican who voiced public concern about Russia. Trump’s other policies may be in line with standard Republican fare — but his foreign policy radically diverges from the past. And Joe was vocal about that from before Trump took office (Of course, he should have objected before the election too)

Yup. And he didn’t.

So which is more plausible, knowing about Bog Standard Conservative;

1) He sees the error of his ways over helping build this (but won’t admit he helped build it) or,

2) He is upset that Trump is saying the quiet parts of a half-century of GOP dog whistles out loud?

Unless I see actual evidence he supports what he said in (1), I will believe (2).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:04:53pm

re: #104 gocart mozart

Plenty of fascists in that thread arguing the guy’s right to run over people sitting on a crosswalk.

Aside from the deliberate action, I’ll bet there’s a law giving people in a crosswalk the right-of-way. I’ll bet it also doesn’t say how long you’re in the crosswalk before your right-of-way expires.

I’ll bet all those law-and-order types don’t care about that law.

They certainly don’t care about premeditated battery with a motor vehicle.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:07:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:08:55pm

re: #107 MsJ

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Well I hope he’s happy and his kids still love him.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:10:21pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Well I hope he’s happy and his kids still love him.

Religion. I’m not going to hold my breath.

Next up: she deserved beyond kidnapped and held captive because of daddy. Because… Religion.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:10:21pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

What’s a nokshelper?

It means “hanger-on” which I think is not accurate for Ivanka. Lindsay Graham is a “nochshleper.” Ivanka is a “Patchetch” which means “pampered little treasure.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:10:28pm

re: #104 gocart mozart

I’ll betcha a lot of those arguing that the truck driver running over the protestors have “Christian” and “pro-life” in their profiles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:10:38pm

re: #97 A Cranky One

Never expected to read a headline like this:

Penetration tester releases proof- of- concept code for hijacking smart buttplugs

boingboing.net

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:12:20pm

re: #110 The Pie Overlord!

It means “hanger-on” which I think is not accurate for Ivanka. Lindsay Graham is a “nochshleper.” Ivanka is a “Patchetch” which means “pampered little treasure.”

🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:13:15pm

re: #109 MsJ

Religion. I’m not going to hold my breath.

Next up: she deserved beyond kidnapped and held captive because of daddy. Because… Religion.

The Mormon Church despises Teh Geyh Agenda.

They engage in social shunning about as bad as Jehovah’s Witnesses when it comes to apostasy.

This is the church that only decided blacks are people in the Seventies.

I would like to think his family won’t reject him, but their church will pressure them to do so, and it will be a choice between the church and their father. He’s toast. Religion cannot be questioned.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:14:23pm

re: #104 gocart mozart

I hope those protesters sue. There’s no justification for running over peaceful protesters. It’s our constitutional right to protest and assemble. This is disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:14:55pm

re: #110 The Pie Overlord!

It means “hanger-on” which I think is not accurate for Ivanka. Lindsay Graham is a “nochshleper.” Ivanka is a “Patchetch” which means “pampered little treasure.”

Love it, thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:15:27pm

re: #109 MsJ

Religion. I’m not going to hold my breath.

Next up: she deserved beyond kidnapped and held captive because of daddy. Because… Religion.

True.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:15:43pm

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

I hope those protesters sue. There’s no justification for running over peaceful protesters. It’s our constitutional right to protest and assemble. This is disgusting.

whatever happened to the pepper spray college policeman?

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Jay C  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:16:11pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ll bet all those law-and-order types don’t care about that law.

They certainly don’t care about premeditated battery with a motor vehicle.

They’d certainly care if the targets were red-hat MAGA types lined up for a Trump rally. “Law-and-order types” almost invariably qualify their concern depending on the identity of the perps and/or victims…

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:17:35pm

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever happened to the pepper spray college policeman?

Nothing, IIRC.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:18:46pm

re: #119 Jay C

They’d certainly care if the targets were red-hat MAGA types lined up for a Trump rally. “Law-and-order types” almost invariably qualify their concern depending on the identity of the perps and/or victims…

Yep.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:18:50pm

re: #59 MsJ

I see that there’s a rise in racism in Canada. Must be the Trump effect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:21:06pm

re: #120 MsJ

Nothing, IIRC.

You are indeed correct. He was fired from the University but the DA decided not to move ahead with formal charges.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:21:15pm

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

According to Wiki, he was fired.
en.m.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:22:11pm

re: #107 MsJ

Lots more Christian love in this thread.

To be fair, there are a lot of people offering words of encouragement and support in that thread. Most of them identify as ex-Mormon (my bet would be atheists now mostly).

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:22:50pm

re: #118
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First he was suspended with pay, then he was awarded $38,000 for suffering.

sfgate.com

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:23:11pm

re: #122 Patricia Kayden

I see that there’s a rise in racism in Canada. Must be the Trump effect.

That is part of it.

Montreal has some real assholes there… The Nigel Farage kind, running for premier.

The West had the Wild Rose party. Mostly in a Alberta.

The globalization of hated and right wing authoritarianism isn’t helping.

At the same time, generally speaking, Canadians are smart and well educated (and I’m talking in general, not just post high school). But they’re hardly immune.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:23:28pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Smart added that he has “mostly watched in silence for years as many LGBTQ individuals both in and out of the Church have been victims of ridicule, shunning, rejection and outright humiliation,” and said he could no longer deny that he was “numbered among them.”

The Mormon Church is about breeding.

They have no use for non-breeders.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:23:48pm

re: #119 Jay C

They’d certainly care if the targets were red-hat MAGA types lined up for a Trump rally. “Law-and-order types” almost invariably qualify their concern depending on the identity of the perps and/or victims…

Conservatives care because it happened to them.
Liberals care because it could happen to anybody.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:24:04pm

It’s one of those days when I really need to listed to an extended set from Arch Hall, Jr.

Arch Hall, Jr.’s Greatest Rock ‘n’ Roll Movie Hits!

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:24:22pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Lots more Christian love in this thread.

To be fair, there are a lot of people offering words of encouragement and support in that thread. Most of them identify as ex-Mormon (my bet would be atheists now mostly).

It will be better for everyone if he’s out in the open.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:24:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:24:33pm

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Mormon Church is about breeding.

They have no use for non-breeders.

And yet he has a slew of children. Stayed with his wife during her illness. But Teh Geyh is what matters now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:24:56pm

WTFITS

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:25:00pm

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever happened to the pepper spray college policeman?

Baked and glazed:

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:26:37pm
137
Belafon  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:27:24pm
138
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:28:22pm

re: #127 MsJ

That is part of it.

Montreal has some real assholes there… The Nigel Farage kind, running for premier.

The West had the Wild Rose party. Mostly in a Alberta.

The globalization of hated and right wing authoritarianism isn’t helping.

At the same time, generally speaking, Canadians are smart and well educated (and I’m talking in general, not just post high school). But they’re hardly immune.

Canadian here.

Regarding the two bolded points: Quebec does not surprise me because the Francophone population there has long felt they aren’t taken seriously enough by the rest of the country. There was (and still is, albeit much smaller) a Quebec secessionist movement. This movement peaked with a province wide referendum in 1995 in which Quebecers voted narrowly to remain part of Canada. Many of the prominent separatists were and still are butthurt over losing that one.

Alberta is basically the Canadian version of Texas/The Deep south. Conservative, bible belt type area.

Ontario on the other hand generally tracks more Liberal but is currently run by dipshit mini-Trump Doug Ford. So who knows how that will end up.

One distinct difference about Canada: They don’t have Fox News or anything much like it to galvanize conservatives.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:28:23pm

There is no way to defend Miftah for publishing this sickening shit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:29:15pm

re: #134 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Not good at all.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:29:31pm

“Racism is so american that when you protest it, people think you are protesting America”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:31:43pm

re: #139 The Pie Overlord!

There is no way to defend Miftah for publishing this sickening shit.

It’s literally blood libel.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:31:58pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Canadian here.

Regarding the two bolded points: Quebec does not surprise me because the Francophone population there has long felt they aren’t taken seriously enough by the rest of the country. There was (and still is, albeit much smaller) a Quebec secessionist movement. This movement peaked with a province wide referendum in 1995 in which Quebecers voted narrowly to remain part of Canada. Many the prominent separatists were and still are butthurt over losing that one.

Alberta, is basically the Canadian version of Texas/The Deep south. Conservative, bible belt type Christians.

Ontario on the other hand generally tracks more Liberal but is currently run by dipshit mini-Trump Doug Ford. So who knows how that will end up.

One distinct difference about Canada: They don’t have Fox News or anything much like it to galvanize conservatives.

don’t the canadian wingnuts just watch fox news anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:32:20pm

re: #141 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“Racism is so american that when you protest it, people think you are protesting America”

[Embedded content]

Waaah I’m Steve King and I can’t stsbd the heat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:32:54pm

re: #143 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

don’t the canadian wingnuts just watch fox news anyway?

I’m sure some do, but since Fox is American oriented, they can only have so much of an impact on issues north of the border. Canadian politics are a bit of a different animal than American politics, though sadly are becoming similar in a lot of respects.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:33:29pm

re: #137 Belafon

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This is where I miss Obama and sigh even W Bush.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:34:56pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

This is where I miss Obama and sigh even W Bush.

On one side, they play the Star Spangled Banner and Fly the US flag. On the other side, they fly the Confederate flag.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:35:29pm

re: #143 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

don’t the canadian wingnuts just watch fox news anyway?

It’s on cable up here.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:35:36pm

Just because criticism of Israeli government policy is not in and of itself Anti-Semitic, Anti-Semites go way beyond criticism of Israeli government policy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:37:24pm

re: #147 Belafon

On one side, they play the Star Spangled Banner and Fly the US flag. On the other side, they fly the Confederate flag.

They probably in fairness don’t know the history of the CSA. How much Hong Kong history from 1861-5 do we know and that’s without censorship.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:37:41pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure some do, but since Fox is American oriented, they can only have so much of an impact on issues north of the border. Canadian politics are a bit of a different animal than American politics, though sadly are becoming similar in a lot of respects.

BTW, the guy in Quebec is WAY beyond just a successionist. He’s a full blown Tommy Robinson/Nigal Farage; loud and proud… And he’s running for premier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:40:02pm

re: #25 calochortus

Also, why would I care whether he thinks I’m attractive or not?
I have good friends, I have loving family, and I’m pretty comfortable in my own skin. (Even if I am a few pounds overweight.)

I live in a red red red Republican area.

Trust me (and I’m saying this as a registered republican woman) the wimmenfolk ain’t nothing to brag about when it comes to “looks”, unless we’re talking bad plastic surgery and overuse of botox.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:40:18pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure some do, but since Fox is American oriented, they can only have so much of an impact on issues north of the border. Canadian politics are a bit of a different animal than American politics, though sadly are becoming similar in a lot of respects.

what, no “welfare queen” obsessions and mortal fear of “alien invasions”??

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:41:33pm

re: #84 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Will your car fit under a dumpster?

LOL.

A few more hailstorms and it might.

It would fit in my shed if I took all the stuff out of it.

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plansbandc  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:42:11pm

Peter Fonda has died.

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:42:44pm

re: #97 A Cranky One

Never expected to read a headline like this:

Penetration tester releases proof- of- concept code for hijacking smart buttplugs

boingboing.net

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

“HEHE HEHE…I NEED AV FOR MY BUNGHOLE!!!!”

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:43:07pm

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:43:49pm

re: #127 MsJ

My family lives in Mississauga. I haven’t heard them say much about racism although my sister hates Premier Ford for defunding autistic programs. One of her daughters is autistic. I hope Canada doesn’t elect their own Trump or Boris Johnson in their upcoming election.

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Mescalero09  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:44:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:46:27pm

re: #134 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

I don’t know what to think of the Times of Israel article on that. It is possible Reps. Omar and Tlaib knew nothing about it. (The article says the information was taken down from their Website in 2016, before they were elected.)

Others have published information they didn’t know came from racist or bigoted sources because it was hidden or laundered through other places, like Tucker Carlson’s White Power Hour.

I hope those two have people to get to the bottom of this right away.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:46:34pm

re: #134 The Pie Overlord!

Not good. I don’t even know what to say since this puts Omar and Tlaib in a bad light.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:46:39pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox tried to establish themselves here, and failed.

The nearest to it now is Rebel Media which has never met a white person they didn’t like. They are not that influential.

And Doug Ford demonstrates that no form of democracy is safe from idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:46:40pm

re: #155 plansbandc

Peter Fonda has died.

RIP. Was able to visit the cemetery he and Hopper visited in Easy Rider. Rip Peter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:46:45pm

re: #33 The Pie Overlord!

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Busses will transport personnel…”

I’m sorry…not clear on how kisses transport people at a trump rally…nor do I want to hear an explanation.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:47:51pm

re: #134 The Pie Overlord!

On top of the search engine for this: Daily Caller and The National Review. They are already on it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:49:07pm

re: #161 Patricia Kayden

Not good. I don’t even know what to say since this puts Omar and Tlaib in a bad light.

The fact it was scrubbed from the internet in 2016 makes me think they didn’t know that but when you’re dealing with a controversial issue like that as a member of Congress on a fact checking mission, you should definitely thoroughly research who’s showing you around like that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:50:21pm

re: #165 Anymouse 🌹🎃

On top of the search engine for this: Daily Caller and The National Review. They are already on it.

National Review especially has no room to talk here given their founding and legacy as a Jim Crow and Apartheid apologia.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:50:23pm

re: #162 Romantic Heretic

Fox tried to establish themselves here, and failed.

The nearest to it now is Rebel Media which has never met a white person they didn’t like. They are not that influential.

And Doug Ford demonstrates that no form of democracy is safe from idiots.

I think their TV presence died completely. And they’re pretty marginalized elsewhere except on the internet (natch).

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:51:45pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Busses will transport personnel…”

I’m sorry…not clear on how kisses transport people at a trump rally…nor do I want to hear an explanation.

This who go voluntarily get the bus. Those against get put on the trains… Where work makes you free.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:53:28pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Busses will transport personnel…”

I’m sorry…not clear on how kisses transport people at a trump rally…nor do I want to hear an explanation.

merriam-webster.com

Interestingly, the preference in spelling with only one “s” has only come about in my lifetime.

Buss is also an audio signal path. I’m not sure how you could use the plural of audio paths as a transport method either.

It is also the name of a phantom island in the North Atlantic. Good, send them there.
en.wikipedia.org

One theory is the person sailing in the XVI Century describing the phantom island was describing northern Greenland. Maybe that’s why Trump wants to buy it from Denmark.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:54:31pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

They probably in fairness don’t know the history of the CSA. How much Hong Kong history from 1861-5 do we know and that’s without censorship.

I meant in general, like the Nazis in Germany. We export our hope and hate.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:55:34pm

re: #171 Belafon

I meant in general, like the Nazis in Germany. We export our hope and hate.

Oh yes. That’s true as well.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:55:44pm

RIP, Peter Fonda

Back in the 70s, some magazine had a glossary of pop-culture terms and similarly hip lingo. They defined “laid back” thusly:
“Peter Fonda is laid back; Jane Fonda is not.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 3:58:36pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Peter Fonda, Star of ‘Easy Rider,’ Dies at 79 (Goes to Variety)

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:04:19pm

re: #53 teleskiguy

Someday we’ll find it
The Rainbow Connection
The lovers, the dreamers and me

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:13:51pm

I just got back from King of Prussia Mall. It was quite busy for a weekday then again it will soon be the start of school. There was a noticeable security presence but otherwise it was business as usual.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:15:50pm

We actually did buy the Danish West Indies (Virgin Islands) back in 1917. Danish voters approved the sale by 283,670 to 158,157. Local residents (who did not have the legal right to vote) approved the sale by a vote of 4,027 to seven in an unofficial referendum, which I think shows just how high the standing of the United States was at one time.
Geographically, it was barely there compared to Greenland but the population was of the same order. Slavery was abolished there in 1848, but strict labor laws created a Jim Crow style environment that persisted for decades.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:20:00pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

The fact it was scrubbed from the internet in 2016 makes me think they didn’t know that but when you’re dealing with a controversial issue like that as a member of Congress on a fact checking mission, you should definitely thoroughly research who’s showing you around like that.

I am going to put the blame on Miftah for allowing this shit to be posted on their blog in the first place (I don’t know if it was posted by a random unmoderated commenter or by one of their own people). But I am pretty certain that Ilhan and Rashida knew nothing about it since it was removed 3 years ago.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:20:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:21:45pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Alberta is basically the Canadian version of Texas/The Deep south. Conservative, bible belt type area.

That explains Sen. Ted Cruz. /s

Alberta: That beautiful place in the Rocky Mountains my wife and I drove through, where some jerk said we shouldn’t be driving our kind of car on their roads.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:23:12pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That explains Sen. Ted Cruz. /s

Alberta: That beautiful place in the Rocky Mountains my wife and I drove through, where some jerk said we shouldn’t be driving our kind of car on their roads.

One of my friends was an NDP in the Albertan Provincial Assembly when Rachel Notley was Premier. He lost his seat in the last Provincial election that took Notley out as Premier.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:24:45pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That explains Sen. Ted Cruz. /s

Alberta: That beautiful place in the Rocky Mountains my wife and I drove through, where some jerk said we shouldn’t be driving our kind of car on their roads.

A lot of people say bicycles don’t belong on the road. We must maintain access.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:28:12pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

A lot of people say bicycles don’t belong on the road. We must maintain access.

Bicycles here are allowed on the Interstate, except in cities.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:29:31pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:30:03pm

re: #184 gocart mozart

rofl

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:31:13pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:31:48pm

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What happens when the right to drive your car over a protester meets the protester exercising his 2nd Amendments Rights to defend himself from deadly attack?

Bet that conundrum really confounds the brain of an orthodox American Nationalist Cult member.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:33:12pm

Large line of rapidly developing thunderstorms moving east across the state line from Wyoming into Nebraska. Here we go again. A mix of rotating supercells and hailstorms.
wunderground.com
There is a train of thunderstorms in Wyoming traveling toward us south of Torrington. (That’s the area where the storm early this morning came from.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:34:31pm

re: #187 Rocky-in-Connecticut

What happens when the right to drive your car over a protester meets the protester exercising his 2nd Amendments Rights to defend himself from deadly attack?

Bet that conundrum really confounds the brain of an orthodox American Nationalist Cult member.

A car is arms when you use it as a weapon. Therefore no conundrum; he feared for his life from scary Jewish protestors and used the only weapon he had available. Checkmate, Liberals.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:35:17pm

re: #131 Belafon

“Christian Love” is so passe. Modern Christianity is all about promoting American symbols and cheap jingoism. It is about adherence to “I’ve got mine, Fuck You” and “freedom” with no sense of responsibility.

And Jesus wept.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:36:06pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:36:08pm

re: #183 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Bicycles here are allowed on the Interstate, except in cities.

Same in Oregon.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:36:32pm

re: #187 Rocky-in-Connecticut

What happens when the right to drive your car over a protester meets the protester exercising his 2nd Amendments Rights to defend himself from deadly attack?

Bet that conundrum really confounds the brain of an orthodox American Nationalist Cult member.

Which one is white? That will resolve the issue. If both are, then the fall back is which one is a damn librul.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:37:41pm

re: #190 Rocky-in-Connecticut

“Christian Love” is so passe. Modern Christianity is all about promoting American symbols and cheap jingoism. It is about adherence to “I’ve got mine, Fuck You” and “freedom” with no sense of responsibility.

And Jesus wept.

Not all Christianity; primarily white evangelicalism.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:42:12pm

re: #194 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not all Christianity; primarily white evangelicalism.

I’ll have to remember that with my United Methodist family in Michigan who won’t talk to me (atheist) or my sister (Christian, but has Teh Geyh).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:43:29pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’ll have to remember that with my United Methodist family in Michigan who won’t talk to me (atheist) or my sister (Christian, but has Teh Geyh).

I said primarily, not entirely!

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danarchy  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:44:47pm

re: #107 MsJ

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Good for him and all, but why is this national news?

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:44:54pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:46:30pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP, Peter Fonda

Back in the 70s, some magazine had a glossary of pop-culture terms and similarly hip lingo. They defined “laid back” thusly:
“Peter Fonda is laid back; Jane Fonda is not.”

Just heard a fun interview with him on Marc Maron’s podcast two or three months ago. He talked about being shot accidentally as a kid and saying to John Lennon “I know what it’s like to be dead.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:47:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:48:03pm

The storms are starting to enter my county.

The first severe thunderstorm warning went up in Kimball County to my southwest, where a storm from Colorado is clipping across the corner of Wyoming and entering that county.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:50:25pm

This looks good. I have to try it, but it seems like a wrong thing to do with steak. Maybe chicken cutlets.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:52:55pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:53:23pm

re: #200 The Pie Overlord!

WTH?!! They’re physically assaulting migrants now. This is outrageous and inhumane.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:53:38pm
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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:53:51pm

re: #197 danarchy

Good for him and all, but why is this national news?

Because of Elizabeth. Anything relating to her will always be national news.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:56:14pm

re: #202 The Pie Overlord!

This looks good. I have to try it, but it seems like a wrong thing to do with steak. Maybe chicken cutlets.

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Shirt steak is truly Mexican. It’s how many steak dishes are made. They thin slice it lengthwise before cutting it in to strips.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:57:18pm

re: #200 The Pie Overlord!

Well, conservatives got their rocks off on torture in Gitmo, might as well use it against migrants.

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:57:24pm

re: #149 The Pie Overlord!

Just because criticism of Israeli government policy is not in and of itself Anti-Semitic, Anti-Semites go way beyond criticism of Israeli government policy.

Palestinians have legitimate grievances. But Palestinian anti-Semitism is way too common.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:57:37pm

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:58:36pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Someone did not use their spell-checker.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:59:36pm

re: #211 PhillyPretzel

Someone did not use their spell-checker.

“orgasmic” is spelled correctly.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 4:59:50pm

re: #211 PhillyPretzel

Someone did not use their spell-checker.

No, those blueberries are that good.

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:00:44pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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So good, they just explode in your mouth.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:00:45pm

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I will give you that but I thought it was supposed to organic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:02:07pm

re: #191 Patricia Kayden

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I could care less about how he and his allies feels but he underhandedly called Bibi weak. Oh and he again shows why he’s an asshole with no empathy at all.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:04:21pm

I wish I still had the picture. Outside the Wharton School of Business (Yes University of Penn) a sign states “Be careful icey sidewalk.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:05:42pm

He tells her go back to where you came from. She wanted to visit her grandmother in her grandmother’s home country and he whines his way into getting her denied there too. He’s a malicious asshole that Nixon would find awful- I’m being hyperbolic.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:07:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:08:44pm

re: #215 PhillyPretzel

I will give you that but I thought it was supposed to organic.

Maybe they are orgasmic.

The leading hailstorm is ten minutes from our county seat, as we liveblog day two of the Smiting of Western Nebraska.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:10:01pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:14:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:16:03pm

re: #202 The Pie Overlord!

This looks good. I have to try it, but it seems like a wrong thing to do with steak. Maybe chicken cutlets.

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I agree, but maybe for different reasons? I find steak too hard to chew in tacos usually. So I think chicken is a better choice for its tenderness. I’d be happy to put that on a steak and eat it with a knife and fork, though.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:19:51pm

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Four black teenagers were going door to door early this month, looking to raise money for their high school football team in Wynne, Arkansas. When they approached the home of Jerri Kelly, she held them on the ground at gunpoint until police arrived.

Kelly, who is married to a county jail administrator, was arrested and charged with four accounts of aggravated assault, false imprisonment and endangering the welfare of a minor, Wynne County police told CBS News Friday.

Police arrived at Kelly’s house on Wednesday, August 7 at around 10 a.m., responding to a report of “suspicious persons,” to find the four boys on the ground, with Kelly, who is white, standing over them with a gun.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:21:26pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

Which they can eat on the porch outside when she brings it to them.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:22:02pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

She should buy them four years of college, each, and consider herself luckier than she is ignorant.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:23:24pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

I guess to be safe from the 100-mile rights free zone, everyone’s going to have to move to Nebraska.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:25:08pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

Another example of “just because someone offers an apology” doesn’t mean I have to accept it.

The boys’ parents should press charges of assault with a deadly weapon.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:25:18pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

I would turn down the lunch. She held them at gunpoint.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:25:19pm

re: #226 wrenchwench

She should buy them four years of college, each, and consider herself luckier than she is ignorant.

She’s already lucky. Her husband is a higher up in some Corrections position and she’s totally going to slide.

The school is considering stopping fundraising because of this… Because of her. There’s never Justice for these assholes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:27:23pm

Most of this crowd will get this.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:27:55pm

Severe thunderstorm warning issued for Scottsbluff, extending into my county.

Hail damage to vehicles is expected.

This storm is following right along the same track as the one this morning.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:28:17pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I guess to be safe from the 100-mile rights free zone, everyone’s going to have to move to Nebraska.

Catron County, NM, makes it. They had a gun owning ordinance, requiring such. They also have a very high suicide rate. Beautiful place, though. I don’t know how all those factors came together. And it’s still considered ‘southern NM’.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:28:24pm

re: #231 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Are they playing “O dem Golden Slippers?”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:29:18pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

And she will probably get off with a wrist slap, because, you know, she’s white.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:35:27pm

I mean damn. You hold a group of kids at gun-point and you expect them to get over it with a lunch? I hope they tell her off loudly.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:36:20pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I mean damn. You hold a group of kids at gun-point and you expect them to get over it with a lunch? I hope they tell her off loudly.

With lots of zeros after the $1.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:36:32pm

The commenters are divided over whether this is a man or a woman. I vote for woman since a male yokel this slovenly would almost certainly have facial hair and sideburns.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:38:43pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The commenters are divided over whether this is a man or a woman. I vote for woman since a male yokel this slovenly would almost certainly have facial hair and sideburns.

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I think a woman too. Too feminine of a face imo. Don’t know about the sideburns and facial hair tho. Some of these zealots resent facial hair.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:39:49pm

Peter Fonda died and I’m sad.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:41:53pm

re: #234 PhillyPretzel

It is a Philly thing. mummersmuseum.com
“O dem Golden Slippers” is one of the theme songs of the Mummers

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:43:07pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The commenters are divided over whether this is a man or a woman. I vote for woman since a male yokel this slovenly would almost certainly have facial hair and sideburns.

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My guess is man. Primarily because this person is doing none of the Biblically-misogynistic things printed on the sign.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:43:14pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

Peter Fonda died and I’m sad.

This is a hard time of life, old enough to live well, but also old enough our mentors, those that influenced us or impressed us that were not terribly older than us are passing.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:44:44pm

Actually I don’t know now. P

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:47:23pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

References:
1 Timothy 2

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

1 Peter 3:

Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

Titus 2:

3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:49:16pm

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

This is a hard time of life, old enough to live well, but also old enough our mentors, those that influenced us or impressed us that were not terribly older than us are passing.

It really felt like a personal window to the pre Depression era closed when my Dad’s mom died. She was born in 1912 and my grandparents were middle school sweethearts. I know that’s different than what you’re talking about but it’s definitely tough seeing people who so defined your experience pass on. I’m only 32 so I’m sure I’ll be here as the boomers pass on.

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plansbandc  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:51:14pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s Pat!

I dressed as Pat for Halloween and won a prize. It was apt that I picked that costume.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:51:37pm

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

This is a hard time of life, old enough to live well, but also old enough our mentors, those that influenced us or impressed us that were not terribly older than us are passing.

The world I knew is disappearing before my eyes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:52:59pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

It really felt like a personal window to the pre Depression era closed when my Dad’s mom died. She was born in 1912 and my grandparents were middle school sweethearts. I know that’s different than what you’re talking about but it’s definitely tough seeing people who so defined your experience pass on. I’m only 32 so I’m sure I’ll be here as the boomers pass on.

Same here when my last great-grandmother died in 1993. She was born in 1896.

I have a bit of WW2 connexion with my mother, but she was a small child when that war was on.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:53:26pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:54:23pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The world I knew is disappearing before my eyes.

Many of the most trusted people in my like were or are older than I. And yes they are falling away from us. Twilight of life. Or at least late afternoon.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:55:06pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The world I knew is disappearing before my eyes.

This is the tough problem with growing older.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:55:50pm

My wife’s mother was born in 1931, so she was a window for her about the latter part of the Depression and WW2, along with the massive polio outbreak. She died in 1997 of complications from post-polio syndrome.

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mmmirele  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:55:55pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

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*sigh* expect to see more of this in the 100-mile zone. That’s anywhere within 100 miles of a land or sea border. Most Americans live within 100 miles of a land or sea border. Interestingly, Phoenix is just outside the 100 mile zone, and if some asshat asks me for my papers, I’m gonna give them an earful. And it might even be in English.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:56:39pm

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Both of my parents lived through WW2. Mom had her stories on the home front: rationing coupon books and so on. Dad was in SHAEF HQ. And did he have some stories to tell.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:57:33pm

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Same here when my last great-grandmother died in 1993. She was born in 1896.

I have a bit of WW2 connexion with my mother, but she was a small child when that war was on.

My grandmother is still with us thankfully. I’m so glad my niece gets to know her. Grandma’s parents were immigrants. My niece is first generation maternally and being the family historian I love telling her our story so she’s aware of the humbler experiences of our side too.

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William Lewis  Aug 16, 2019 • 5:57:41pm

re: #245 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

References:
1 Timothy 2

1 Peter 3:

Titus 2:

Ah, yes, the psuedo Pauline Letters that undermine Paul’s no jew or gentile radicalism to replace it with classical Roman patriarchal traditions. It succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:00:52pm

re: #254 mmmirele

*sigh* expect to see more of this in the 100-mile zone. That’s anywhere within 100 miles of a land or sea border. Most Americans live within 100 miles of a land or sea border. Interestingly, Phoenix is just outside the 100 mile zone, and if some asshat asks me for my papers, I’m gonna give them an earful. And it might even be in English.

It’s not new, and it’s not going away. There’s a Paul Simon song with Immigration on a Greyhound, and the interrogatee says, sings,

Yes, I am an alien
From Mars.

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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:00:55pm

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My guess is man. Primarily because this person is doing none of the Biblically-misogynistic things printed on the sign.

Phyllis Schlafley. (Sic)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:03:38pm

Something that astounds me is my Nana- my dad’s mother- her father was born before so many things I can’t imagine life without. The telephone comes to mind immediately. I only have one clear photo of him. A short man dressed nicely but humbly. His life reminds me how close the city and nature used to be since he was an avid horseman who worked as an elevator operator in downtown Pittsburgh.

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plansbandc  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:03:55pm

Off topic, but I must recommend yet another podcast.

“Stuff You Missed in History Class” did a two part overview of Thalidomide.

Horrible and fascinating. I did not know that survivors were STILL fighting for funds. What a shit show.

Highly recommended.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:04:34pm

Born in 2013, little guy should have lived to see the 22nd century.

Youngest Victim Of Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting Laid To Rest

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:07:17pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Born in 2013, little guy should have lived to see the 22nd century.

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Youngest Victim Of Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting Laid To Rest

Only a year older than my niece. Sigh.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:12:02pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

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Our very own Gestapo.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:12:49pm

A huge dangerous line of thunderstorms stretches from Sidney, Nebr. to southwest of Sterling, Colo.

Sterling is about to get plastered.

Here we have two rotating thunderstorms in the next county south approaching.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:13:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:14:53pm

I definitely eventually pass on my research to a family member. I hope I can be a weird bridge between the 19th and 22nd century since I know people who knew people in the 19th and I will hopefully know people who will be in the 22nd. That’s astounding to me to think about. How we individually relate to the past through our reading & understanding of history or how our family experienced it. My Dad’s family has ancestors who were in the US during the Civil War but we don’t know too much outside my Dads paternal grandmother’s father a Civil War vet how the family experienced it. Know nothing at all about what his mother’s grandfathers did during that time. That’s what interests me about the intersection of genealogy and family history. History to me anyhow at it’s bare bones is about how human beings respond to the larger events around us.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:18:34pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

My grandmother is still with us thankfully. I’m so glad my niece gets to know her. Grandma’s parents were immigrants. My niece is first generation maternally and being the family historian I love telling her our story so she’s aware of the humbler experiences of our side too.

My father’s mother died in 1984 about two months before her mother. (I went from Virginia Beach to Massachusetts for both funerals.) My great-grandmother was born in 1890 and my grandmother in 1913. (They were part of the family which came from Poland.)

My mother’s mother was born in 1913 and died in 2005. I did not attend her funeral for a multitude of reasons besides being homeless at the time.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:23:26pm

Back from the monthly county Dems black mass. Usual trouble finding a virgin. If you have any Alabama Democratic Party memorabilia, hold on to it. It’s going to become a rarity.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:23:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:27:31pm

Tornado (radar indicated) near Wheatland, Wyo. (About 20 miles west of Torrington.)

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Chrysicat  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:29:18pm
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MsJ  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:33:49pm

So apparently trump is defunding public broadcasting. I just got an email.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:36:22pm

re: #272 Chrysicat

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They seem to want a left wing Trump. I want a left wing anti Trump.

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:47:14pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Four black teens were fundraising for their high school football team. A white woman held them at gunpoint.

Kelli has since apologized and offered to buy the boys lunch.

Fuck that biotch…sounds to me like she’s trying to keep from losing her husband’s job for him.

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TedStriker  Aug 16, 2019 • 6:51:48pm

re: #275 TedStriker

Fuck that biotch…sounds to me like she’s trying to keep from losing her husband’s job for him.

Her nick: Gunpoint Gertie.


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