From Bon Iver’s Outstanding New Album: “Hey, Ma” [VIDEO]

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Additional Engineering: Andrew Sarlo, BJ Burton. Production: BJ Burton. Musicians: Ben Lester - CP-70 Electric Piano. Psymun - Sampling. Justin Vernon - Matrix 6, Guitar. Brian Moen - Drums. Jen Wasner - Voice, Guitar. Jake Luppen - Guitar. Buddy Ross - Synth. Rob Moose - Violin, Viola, String Arrangement, Worm Crew Arrangement, Conductor. Brad Cook - Basses. Worm Crew - Horns. Writers: Brad Cook, BJ Burton.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:01:50pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:02:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:06:47pm

Got CL’d on last thread.

OT, exciting personal stuff:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:09:30pm

re: #1 The Pie Overlord!

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You are supported by David Duke and if Bibi didn’t kiss your ass, Israel would be yet another ally you’d trash but because Bibi and you are both bigoted assholes.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:13:09pm

The wackos are getting frisky tonight.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:16:35pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:23:23pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

The wackos are getting frisky tonight.

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It’s easy to say they’re bots or ratfucks but there is a lot of kooky people out there.

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mmmirele  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:25:08pm

My dad signed up for the Army before he got drafted, and he was sent to Korea as a cook. He didn’t want to be a cook, he wanted to be in communications with his younger brother. He got all the paperwork prepared and ready for their colonel to sign when he came for dinner one night. And for the dinner, dad took one of these sides of beef that had been shoved in a can, did it up right and served some of it to the colonel. Well that surely backfired. Not only did the colonel refuse to sign for the transfer (who wants to lose a good cook in the middle of a war?), he made my dad go over to *his* cook to show him how to make that tasty, tender beef out of those canned sides. So my dad cooked his entire time in the Army and he was a better cook than our mother.

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:33:41pm
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jaunte  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:36:22pm

Driving back from the countryside has made me late to experience the most recent conservative tantrum over people talking about historical injustices in the U.S.

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:39:55pm
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jaunte  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:41:07pm

Erick’s getting his “scientists profit from global warming research” talking point mixed in with his “racism’s ok if you don’t mention it” talking point.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:43:39pm

booman speaks for me

But, as grating as Biden’s routine is, I actually do think it’s smart campaigning. It feeds into a hunger a lot of Democrats have for a less winner-take-all kind of politics. It also chips away at efforts to paint Biden as a radical socialist who is out of the mainstream, so it’s a solid general election strategy too. I really do not believe that serving up partisan red meat is going to be a winning strategy next year, and when Biden does it, he’s going to make it about Trump rather than his party or his supporters. I think it’s pretty clear that this enables him to give permission to as many people as possible to vote for him, and that that is the smartest way to beat this president.

progresspond.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:48:01pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:49:57pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Got CL’d on last thread.

OT, exciting personal stuff:

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:54:34pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:54:36pm

+re: #8 mmmirele

My dad signed up for the Army before he got drafted, and he was sent to Korea as a cook. He didn’t want to be a cook, he wanted to be in communications with his younger brother. He got all the paperwork prepared and ready for their colonel to sign when he came for dinner one night. And for the dinner, dad took one of these sides of beef that had been shoved in a can, did it up right and served some of it to the colonel. Well that surely backfired. Not only did the colonel refuse to sign for the transfer (who wants to lose a good cook in the middle of a war?), he made my dad go over to *his* cook to show him how to make that tasty, tender beef out of those canned sides. So my dad cooked his entire time in the Army and he was a better cook than our mother.

My dad was a ship’s cook in the Navy during WW2. He served in the Pacific, but he didn’t talk much about it other than his story about the ship getting caught in a typhoon and flipping fully sideways at one point. He usually fixed Sunday lunch, and us kids loved stuff like creamed chipped beef on toast (he probably knew it as shit-on-a-shingle).

He used to think of himself as the better cook, and it used to cause some friction. I remember one tense Thanksgiving where my mom had gotten so hurt/ pissed at him for berating her cooking that she wouldn’t come sit down for the meal. It took a while for her to recover enough to join the family. I doubt that dad actually apologized to her for being a jerk. The things we remember…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 18, 2019 • 6:57:02pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:02:54pm

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

booman speaks for me

But, as grating as Biden’s routine is, I actually do think it’s smart campaigning. It feeds into a hunger a lot of Democrats have for a less winner-take-all kind of politics. It also chips away at efforts to paint Biden as a radical socialist who is out of the mainstream, so it’s a solid general election strategy too. I really do not believe that serving up partisan red meat is going to be a winning strategy next year, and when Biden does it, he’s going to make it about Trump rather than his party or his supporters. I think it’s pretty clear that this enables him to give permission to as many people as possible to vote for him, and that that is the smartest way to beat this president.

progresspond.com

I think we’ve got an amazing selection of viable Democratic candidates and I’d vote for any of them in a moment. They don’t seem to be attacking each other in a damaging way (except for Bernie’s people), so I’m hoping that when we finally have a candidate, the rest of the field will be willing and motivated to campaign as one party. The media is going to be awful no matter what happens, but hopefully the candidates won’t take the bait. They all know what’s at stake.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:04:39pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:07:33pm

After reading about the failed attempt to “Buy Greenland” I fell down the Youtube rabbit hole of the folk song “Greenland Whale Fisheries.” It seems that every folk group has a cover of this song!

There are two versions of this song, an Irish version and an American version. The most popular Irish version is by the Dubliners. It’s also been covered by the Pogues & the Corries & Ger Loughlin.

The Dubliners ~ Greenland Whale Fishery


The American version has been covered by the Weavers, Peter, Paul & Mary, Theo Bikel & Judy Collins, Joan Baez, & others. PP&M have the best cover.

Peter, Paul and Mary - Greenland Whale Fisheries (25th Anniversary Concert)


There’s a third version of this song was done by the Chad Mitchell Trio by combining the fast tempo of the Irish song & the lyrics of the American version.

The Ballad of the Greenland Whalers - Chad Mitchell Trio

We need an updated version of this song, sung from the whale’s point of view I think.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:14:45pm

re: #19 stpaulbear

I think we’ve got an amazing selection of viable Democratic candidates and I’d vote for any of them in a moment. They don’t seem to be attacking each other in a damaging way (except for Bernie’s people), so I’m hoping that when we finally have a candidate, the rest of the field will be willing and motivated to campaign as one party. The media is going to be awful no matter what happens, but hopefully the candidates won’t take the bait. They all know what’s at stake.

i agree w that, but i find most of the internecine warfare to be on the progressive blogs

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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:20:36pm

re: #22 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i agree w that, but i find most of the internecine warfare to be on the progressive blogs

I guess I’ve been ignoring the progressive blogs. For politics and news, I’m down to just a couple of blogs and the WaPo. I spend too much time on line as it is.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:25:45pm

Never got the whole “sex in a public bathroom” thing. First of all, gross. Second of all, I’ve got a perfectly good bathroom at home - with a shower, even! - where I can have sex with my better half in peace, thank you very much.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:26:00pm

re: #23 stpaulbear

I guess I’ve been ignoring the progressive blogs. For politics and news, I’m down to just a couple of blogs and the WaPo. I spend too much time on line as it is.

it’s funny, but on this progressive blog i’ve been hanging out on since 2006, any mention of biden draws nothing but biting sarcasm and hostility. yet, here i am in what is famously nicknamed “the socialist republic of berkeley”, and the people i talk to here feel that a biden/harris ticket is inevitable and a very good way to bring back the rust belt

i like all the candidates but i am very wary of scaring off swing voters with anything that can be painted as radical

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:28:00pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

New toilets designed to stop people from having sex in bathrooms

well thank god they’re doing something important instead of wasting time on gun control

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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:31:48pm

re: #25 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s funny, but on this progressive blog i’ve been hanging out on since 2006, any mention of biden draws nothing but biting sarcasm and hostility. yet, here i am in what is famously nicknamed “the socialist republic of berkeley”, and the people i talk to here feel that a biden/harris ticket is inevitable and a very good way to bring back the rust belt

i like all the candidates but i am very wary of scaring off swing voters with anything that can be painted as radical

I’ve been trying to moderate my definition of radical, so to speak. I’ve decided I don’t want to think of someone like Elizabeth Warren as a radical choice. Why the hell not Elizabeth Warren?

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:32:03pm

Who fucking does this?!? Seriously. Fucking people, man.

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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:33:41pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

If all you did was have people shit on you all day, wouldn’t you want to blow up at someone now and then?

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Weaselone  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:35:29pm

re: #25 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i like all the candidates but i am very wary of scaring off swing voters with anything that can be painted as radical

I have bad news for you…

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:37:43pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:39:49pm

re: #27 stpaulbear

I’ve been trying to moderate my definition of radical, so to speak. I’ve decided I don’t want to think of someone like Elizabeth Warren as a radical choice. Why the hell not Elizabeth Warren?

you and me are not the ones she has to convince

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:40:43pm

re: #25 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s funny, but on this progressive blog i’ve been hanging out on since 2006, any mention of biden draws nothing but biting sarcasm and hostility. yet, here i am in what is famously nicknamed “the socialist republic of berkeley”, and the people i talk to here feel that a biden/harris ticket is inevitable and a very good way to bring back the rust belt

i like all the candidates but i am very wary of scaring off swing voters with anything that can be painted as radical

Any nominee will be painted as radical. No matter who it is,

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:42:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:43:08pm

re: #31 DodgerFan1988

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Uh huh Dinesh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:43:53pm

re: #33 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Any nominee will be painted as radical. No matter who it is,

Buttieleg made that argument too and I agree with him and yourself.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:44:31pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

Who fucking does this?!? Seriously. Fucking people, man.

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Did you read the down thread? Fucking hilarious….

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:46:50pm

re: #30 Weaselone

I have bad news for you…

biden is campaigning in the theme “we can go back to the way things were before trump”

this isn’t really true, of course. and is anathema (i’d use a stronger word if i could think of one) to committed progressives, but imho it shows strategic political thinking and an understanding that most people are not like progressive political nerds immersed in the details of positions, but rather sportsball adherents who vote by feel

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:50:03pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:50:55pm

re: #33 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Any nominee will be painted as radical. No matter who it is,

therefore it behooves any candidate to position themself to make this as hard as possible. liz tells stories about her hard up against it upbringing and, when asked if she is a socialist, says “i believe in markets”. buttegieg talks about his religious convictions. biden promises alienated republicans they can go back to a gop like it was before trump

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stpaulbear  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:54:28pm

re: #40 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

therefore it behooves any candidate to position themself to make this as hard as possible. liz tells stories about her hard up against it upbringing and, when asked if she is a socialist, says “i believe in markets”. buttegieg talks about his religious convictions. biden promises alienated republicans they can go back to a gop like it was before trump

So our candidates have to tailor their campaigns to not provide ammunition for the conservatives?

No.

edit: I didn’t read your comment well enough. Now I see what you’re saying. I’m going to head off to bed…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 18, 2019 • 7:56:11pm

re: #38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

biden is campaigning in the theme “we can go back to the way things were before trump”

this isn’t really true, of course. and is anathema (i’d use a stronger word if i could think of one) to committed progressives, but imho it shows strategic political thinking and an understanding that most people are not like progressive political nerds immersed in the details of positions, but rather sportsball adherents who vote by feel

Pre-Trump the GOP was still was an obstructionist, white supremacist, racist, class war seeking, train wreck. They just were not quite an open about it.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:01:04pm

re: #41 stpaulbear

So our candidates have to tailor their campaigns to not provide ammunition for the conservatives?

No.

sorry, my opinion is exactly that our candidates have to tailor their campaigns to provide as little ammunition to trump and the gop as possible

to ignore this is suicidal

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:03:20pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Agree that whoever is campaigning now has to also be campaigning for the general election.

But even with that, Biden isn’t good enough.

Trumpers are anti-Obama with virulence, and Biden = Obama, and if anyone doesn’t believe that now then Trump will be sure to drum that into the heads of the nitwits.

Yet it remains that the future depends upon the generation younger than I, and whoever the Democratic candidate may be must be able to ignite some excitement in the under-30 crowd.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:04:38pm

A gal in Mississippi put her heart and soul out there for all to see on Twitter. Kind of sad thread:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:05:38pm

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Pre-Trump the GOP was still was an obstructionist, white supremacist, racist, class war seeking, train wreck. They just were not quite an open about it.

i certainly don’t disagree with that, and that fact is what pisses off progressives about biden’s conciliatory rhetoric

however, there is a great hunger among large segments of (usually) gop voters to stop the trump shitstorm and go back to the quieter past, when a suburban middle manager could say he was a republican and not get called a supporter of white supremacism and sweaty screaming morons

biden is playing on that

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:06:59pm

re: #44 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Agree that whoever is campaigning now has to also be campaigning for the general election.

But even with that, Biden isn’t good enough.

Trumpers are anti-Obama with virulence, and Biden = Obama, and if anyone doesn’t believe that now then Trump will be sure to drum that into the heads of the nitwits.

Yet it remains that the future depends upon the generation younger than I, and whoever the Democratic candidate may be must be able to ignite some excitement in the under-30 crowd.

but what age group historically votes in the largest percentage?

besides, if you’re looking for college age voters, they poll a large majority for bernie, not liz

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William Lewis  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:07:36pm

re: #33 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Any nominee will be painted as radical. No matter who it is,

The swing voters to worry about are the ones who didn’t vote. The only thing that will get the rest is to be just another GOP thug. Fuck’em with a rusty spork.

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plansbandc  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:10:18pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

Heartbreaking.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:16:26pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:16:30pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

A gal in Mississippi put her heart and soul out there for all to see on Twitter. Kind of sad thread:

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Brings back sad memories of how my family did everything they could to break up my relationship with a woman I loved. Got to the point that she couldn’t take it any more after seeing their Facebook posts.

I HATE what Xtianity did to my family!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:19:30pm

re: #47 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

but what age group historically votes in the largest percentage?

Old people. And if they voted for Trump in 2016 then the ones still alive in 2020 will vote for Trump.

Yes, Bernie is a fashion with the college crowd, but he’s not as hot this time around, as fashion changes and can change in a single season.

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:23:34pm

re: #38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

biden is campaigning in the theme “we can go back to the way things were before trump”

this isn’t really true, of course. and is anathema (i’d use a stronger word if i could think of one) to committed progressives, but imho it shows strategic political thinking and an understanding that most people are not like progressive political nerds immersed in the details of positions, but rather sportsball adherents who vote by feel

It shows a political thinking, a safe one that basically implies no change. It doesn’t show very strategic thinking. The goal is to get people to vote, and, as much as I hate Democrats for this, some of them have to be inspired beyond “They’ll throw you in a camp after they have forced you to give birth to the child whose father is a rapist.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:28:11pm

re: #52 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Old people. And if they voted for Trump in 2016 then the ones still alive in 2020 will vote for Trump.

Yes, Bernie is a fashion with the college crowd, but he’s not as hot this time around, as fashion changes and can change in a single season.

and my opinion is that old people and swing voters will vote for biden much more easily than they’ll vote for bernie or liz

and i think biden’s ‘don’t scare the horses’ strategy is a good one

that’s all i’m saying

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:30:07pm

re: #53 Belafon

some of them have to be inspired beyond “They’ll throw you in a camp after they have forced you to give birth to the child whose father is a rapist.”

i really don’t think you can characterize joe’s approach this way

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:31:02pm

I will also say this about the Republicans Joe Biden thinks he’s talking about. I work and live with a whole lot of them. They will take care of their neighbors and, knowing I’m a Democrat, will still do things for me because we’re neighbors and coworkers. But then they don’t believe in climate change. And they don’t think that blacks really need any more advantages. And they think that since they had to put up with Obama (which consisted of them getting coverage for preexisting conditions) that we just have to put up with Trump. As far as the camps are concerned, it doesn’t affect them, so what do they care. and they think they will still have a job after Trump because so many of them work for a defense contractor. And they still won’t vote for a Democrat or for any Democratic policy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:37:14pm

re: #56 Belafon

I will also say this about the Republicans Joe Biden thinks he’s talking about. I work and live with a whole lot of them. They will take care of their neighbors and, knowing I’m a Democrat, will still do things for me because we’re neighbors and coworkers. But then they don’t believe in climate change. And they don’t think that blacks really need any more advantages. And they think that since they had to put up with Obama (which consisted of them getting coverage for preexisting conditions) that we just have to put up with Trump. As far as the camps are concerned, it doesn’t affect them, so what do they care. and they think they will still have a job after Trump because so many of them work for a defense contractor. And they still won’t vote for a Democrat or for any Democratic policy.

who are we trying to get to vote for the democrat in 2020 that failed to put hillary over the top in 2016?

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gwangung  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:39:57pm

re: #57 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

who are we trying to get to vote for the democrat in 2020 that failed to put hillary over the top in 2016?

Given that there are multitudes of people who did not vote in 2016, yet were eligible, it would seem like there are far more fertile fields than Republicans or even Republican-leaning voters.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:40:04pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

Who fucking does this?!? Seriously. Fucking people, man.

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There’s nothing stopping him from stabbing the guy in the leg with a Bic pen. I always fly with a Bic pen.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:44:51pm

re: #57 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

who are we trying to get to vote for the democrat in 2020 that failed to put hillary over the top in 2016?

Those who were purged from voting rolls? Who were disenfranchised? If somehow we could get more polling booths and polling places, typically in red states, so that people weren’t forced to wait in long lines? People who might have been able to vote if voting hours and early voting days were extended?

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gwangung  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:48:45pm

re: #60 Hecuba’s daughter

Those who were purged from voting rolls? Who were disenfranchised? If somehow we could get more polling booths and polling places, typically in red states, so that people weren’t forced to wait in long lines? People who might have been able to vote if voting hours and early voting days were extended?

Cosign.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:51:03pm

re: #58 gwangung

Given that there are multitudes of people who did not vote in 2016, yet were eligible, it would seem like there are far more fertile fields than Republicans or even Republican-leaning voters.

i guess i must have made it sound like my opinion of biden’s “don’t scare the horses” strategy is that it is solely aimed at republican voters

that wasn’t my intention

some people think that swing voters are a myth, and that what we need to do is to get people on the left to not be turned off by “corporate” democrats

i disagree

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:53:11pm

re: #60 Hecuba’s daughter

Those who were purged from voting rolls? Who were disenfranchised? If somehow we could get more polling booths and polling places, typically in red states, so that people weren’t forced to wait in long lines? People who might have been able to vote if voting hours and early voting days were extended?

i’m a big fan of doing anything necessary to get americans to vote with a turnout of as close to 100% as possible

still, those not voting aren’t necessarily all lean democratic

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gwangung  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:57:05pm

re: #62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i guess i must have made it sound like my opinion of biden’s “don’t scare the horses” strategy is that it is solely aimed at republican voters

that wasn’t my intention

some people think that swing voters are a myth, and that what we need to do is to get people on the left to not be turned off by “corporate” democrats

i disagree

Again, given that a) polling of the overall electorate show positions that are far more to the left of most Democratic politicians and b) the 2018 wave showed the key was to mobilize Democratic and Democratic leaning voters, I think your positions are not supported by that much data.

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Interesting Times  Aug 18, 2019 • 8:58:43pm

re: #62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

some people think that swing voters are a myth, and that what we need to do is to get people on the left to not be turned off by “corporate” democrats

I’m one of them (who believes they’re a myth, that is). This is why. And since it was first written, things have only gotten so much worse.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:04:13pm

re: #64 gwangung

Again, given that a) polling of the overall electorate show positions that are far more to the left of most Democratic politicians and b) the 2018 wave showed the key was to mobilize Democratic and Democratic leaning voters, I think your positions are not supported by that much data.

really?

how was the 2016 election lost?

michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania

my feeling is that biden is exactly the candidate that appeals to the rust belt voters who put trump over the top

bigger margins on the west coast and in the northeast ain’t gonna overturn the electoral college

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:05:49pm

re: #65 Interesting Times

I’m one of them (who believes they’re a myth, that is). This is why. And since it was first written, things have only gotten so much worse.

i’m not going for the dark vision of a fatally divided america where the only victory is the crushing of one group by another

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gwangung  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:07:16pm

re: #66 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

really?

how was the 2016 election lost?

michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania

my feeling is that biden is exactly the candidate that appeals to the rust belt voters who put trump over the top

bigger margins on the west coast and in the northeast ain’t gonna overturn the electoral college

where was the Blue Wave won?

Not just in the West Coast and the Northeast, but in the midwest….like MI, WI and PA.

Where was voter suppression highest? MI, WI and PA.

Go with data; you, like Biden, are a step behind the times.

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Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:08:18pm

re: #68 gwangung

where was the Blue Wave won?

Not just in the West Coast and the Northeast, but in the midwest….like MI, WI and PA.

Where was voter suppression highest? MI, WI and PA.

Go with data; you, like Biden, are a step behind the times.

Indeed:

This hampers efforts to counter Donald Trump’s destructive impact on a daily basis, and spreads confusion about both Democratic prospects and strategy in the 2020 election prospects. Above all, the mistaken belief that Democrats won in 2018 by gaining Republican support (aka winning back “Trump voters”) fuels an illusory search for an ill-defined middle ground that could actually demobilize the Democratic leaners and voters who actually drove last year’s blue wave.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:08:28pm

ok, i’m gonna stop arguing

i’m really, really dismayed that no matter where i dare to open my big mouth, to express the idea that perhaps biden has a good approach draws nothing but endless counter argument

back to your regularly scheduled programming :-)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:08:42pm

Lil’Penis and the Honeypot, a match made in hell (via the Kremlin, of course)

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:13:08pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Conservative voters were tired of “business as usual” and voted for Fuckface Von Clownstick thus. Well, I think it’s safe to say liberals are tired of “business as usual” (which is completely fucked out of whack crazy shitshow) and want a presidential candidate who wants to tackle systemic changes. Biden is not that person.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:14:43pm

Spent some time today looking for the Ultimate Mac & Cheese since we were discussing it earlier…

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:18:24pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:18:52pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ok, i’m gonna stop arguing

i’m really, really dismayed that no matter where i dare to open my big mouth, to express the idea that perhaps biden has a good approach draws nothing but endless counter argument

back to your regularly scheduled programming :-)

Except Biden’s approach isn’t new, it’s Kerry 2.0. It’s the same “Reagan Democrat”-seeking campaign that the Dems always falls back on when they’re running against an incumbent Republican. The only person who had any success with that was Bill Clinton and that’s because he was charismatic enough to charm a nun out of a convent. Every other time they’ve tried to run that play, it’s been a disaster because the middle-of-the-road “back to normal” strategy leaves both flanks open to attack.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:20:45pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

You should be a professional political scientist, my dude. Maybe it’s your Virginia roots, but goddamn, you know your political shit. Cheers!

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:28:53pm

re: #65 Interesting Times

I’m one of them (who believes they’re a myth, that is). This is why. And since it was first written, things have only gotten so much worse.

Yes and no. I don’t believe in swing voters either, but judging by the midterms, there were people who were motivated by 2016 and what followed. We need to go after them. (I’ve told the story of the woman who was thinking of not voting because of the bad things the “politicians” were doing. It didn’t take a lot to convince her that the two sides are not like each other and she needed to help the good guys. And we did defeat the Repug incumbent.)

As to Biden’s appeal to sanity, I’m old enough to remember when the Republican party wasn’t the racist and extremist party that it is now. It really was the party of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and other progressives and, yes, liberals. Its members advanced the Civil Rights act, probably more than the Democrats, and they didn’t march in lockstep. Biden is appealing to nostalgia for the time when our political opponents weren’t totally bugfuck.

As a matter of fact, I would also like to see times like that again, I just don’t see them reappearing any time soon.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 9:47:54pm

I will say this. Hillary Clinton was the first presidential candidate I voted for who was a member of one of the two major parties. I was especially naïve about national politics in my 20s. I definitely regret not voting for Barack Obama.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:05:15pm

This is something, even for Trump. Three sentences, each one contradicting the next.

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sagehen  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:05:19pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

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Never got the whole “sex in a public bathroom” thing. First of all, gross. Second of all, I’ve got a perfectly good bathroom at home - with a shower, even! - where I can have sex with my better half in peace, thank you very much.

I once tried having sex in a shower. Bad idea. SLIPPERY!! CONCUSSION!! SPRAINED WRIST!! Visit to the med center wearing nothing but a wet towel…

Don’t try this at home.

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sagehen  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:07:54pm

re: #31 DodgerFan1988

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:18:45pm

re: #80 sagehen

I once tried having sex in a shower. Bad idea. SLIPPERY!! CONCUSSION!! SPRAINED WRIST!! Visit to the med center wearing nothing but a wet towel…

Don’t try this at home.

I suppose they’d already seen everything at the med center.

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Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:27:01pm

When I look at the Biden campaign, the phrase “generals are always prepared to fight the last war” springs to mind. Instead of a campaign focused on keeping and building on the huge successes of the last two elections, it’s one that’s trying to play at the margins of 2016 in the hopes of winning just enough EC votes to beat Trump. And hey, there’s nothing that says such a strategy is a losing one, it’s just a much narrower path that requires a lot to go right and very little to go wrong.

Overall, I think Biden’s going to do well in whiter and more conservative states/districts, while struggling practically everywhere else. And the reason is because for a lot of minority voters, “back to normal” doesn’t mean much when you’ve seen the mask fall off of the people you thought of as “friends.”

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:33:26pm

re: #19 stpaulbear

I’m sure a lot of people would have loved it had Sherman not marched through the South.

I like to believe we will ultimately grow up a bit as a country because of this, but Trump’s election, and the killings that have actually been done in his name, are part of a low level civil war we have going on right now. And we’re not going to get the right to change by giving them consideration when they say “imprison a woman for having an abortion.”

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:38:27pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ok, i’m gonna stop arguing

i’m really, really dismayed that no matter where i dare to open my big mouth, to express the idea that perhaps biden has a good approach draws nothing but endless counter argument

back to your regularly scheduled programming :-)

At least we didn’t dox you.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:42:53pm
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BigPapa  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:44:38pm

Godless socialism is fookin hot and non gluten.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:51:30pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I only just found out recently about this guy and Barstool. From what I’ve read about him, all I have to say is “Good.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 18, 2019 • 10:52:34pm

Google is so yesterday…. HAHAHAHAHA……

After you con your supporters into buying a new condo for you—-

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BigPapa  Aug 18, 2019 • 11:05:14pm

Bon Iver is amazing. But it has so many post apoc looks it’s hard for me to watch.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 11:05:53pm

re: #87 BigPapa

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BigPapa  Aug 18, 2019 • 11:07:58pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2019 • 11:17:53pm

re: #92 BigPapa

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Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2019 • 11:24:52pm

re: #85 Belafon

At least we didn’t dox you.

Think that’s one big thing about most Dems outside of the Berner ranks, that while we might disagree as to who has the best chances of winning next year, we’re at least in agreement that every candidate has a chance against Trump.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:41:09am

Check this metal band from Salt Lake City out. Necrowolf. They’re pretty rad.

Necrowolf - 7. Mountain Troll (Bonus Track)

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:20:05am

re: #45 teleskiguy

For whatever reason her husband is beginning to hate her, she needs to move on. Trump is allowing racist White people to show out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:40:56am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Removing monuments that honor people who fought to maintain slavery is not the same as erasing all memory and history of slavery.

They are really reaching for that one.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:05:35am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:10:38am

re: #94 Targetpractice

Think that’s one big thing about most Dems outside of the Berner ranks, that while we might disagree as to who has the best chances of winning next year, we’re at least in agreement that every candidate has a chance against Trump.

Our #4 candidate, whoever that might really be, has little chance at Trump. Unfortunately, all of our candidates have a chance to win the primaries. Gas is 2.09. If he manages not to crater the economy in 15 months, we better hope we’re running the least offensive candidate possible.

And then there are our “allies”.

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Teukka  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:21:56am

As promised, random pics…

Early birb gets the woim…
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Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:22:33am

re: #100 Teukka

Fowl canard.

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Scout  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:25:28am

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ok, i’m gonna stop arguing

i’m really, really dismayed that no matter where i dare to open my big mouth, to express the idea that perhaps biden has a good approach draws nothing but endless counter argument

back to your regularly scheduled programming :-)

What ever you do, don’t make the same mistakes as me. Do not suggest Hillary Clinton ran anything less than a perfect campaign in 2016, and do not suggest that dehumanizing North Koreans is a bad thing.

Like me, you will be vilified.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:03:27am

In a few minutes I’m off to register a bunch of community college students. When this is over, tomorrow night, I’ll know a good bit more of why they do what they do. With any luck most of them won’t be voting for Trump.

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jeffreyw  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:34:59am

Good morning!

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:35:20am

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

For whatever reason her husband is beginning to hate her, she needs to move on. Trump is allowing racist White people to show out.

And how far behind is the violence? I fear for her safety.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:40:00am

re: #105 MsJ

That was my first thought. Someone should gently let her know that the decision to go can be met with violence. It’s often the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship. She needs to be careful from this moment forward. Especially since this has drawn attention. Someone may have already shown her video to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:57:42am

the moron is awake and whining

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:58:41am

“shellaced”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:02:46am

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:06:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:09:45am
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:18:30am

What say you…Yea or Nay?

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:22:01am
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:25:48am
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:26:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:32:27am
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:33:20am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the best looking British food I’ve seen.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:35:47am
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:40:43am

re: #100 Teukka

As promised, random pics…

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Second mouse gets the cheese.

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:43:31am

Uhm…why?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:49:58am

moron

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:53:15am

re: #120 MsJ

Uhm…why?

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This whole thing sounds like a great idea.

Intercontinental Exchange Inc., the parent of the New York Stock Exchange, won an approval that clears the way for its Bakkt unit to allow investors to buy derivatives that pay out with Bitcoins for the first time.

The New York State Department of Financial Services on Friday granted a charter to Bakkt Trust Co. to hold custody of customers’ tokens. The futures had already gotten a green light from the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission under a self-certification process. The first contracts will be offered Sept. 23.

ICE has said its ultimate goal is to create an ecosystem that would encourage pension funds, endowments and other institutions to invest more money in cryptocurrencies, and make it much easier for consumers to buy products with the cryptocurrency. The venture, announced to much fanfare in August 2018, has lined up big-name backers, including Starbucks Inc. and Microsoft Inc.

Bakkt had faced months of delays amid skepticism from the CFTC officials around how clients’ tokens would be stored, and thus safeguarded from possible theft and manipulation, according to people familiar with the matter. The concerns prompted ICE to seek the license from New York.

I am not sure if I have seen a worse idea coming out of Wall Street…maybe collateralized sub-prime mortgages being sold as AAA.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:54:59am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron is awake and whining

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44% would be his strongest polling ever…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:00:18am

“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:05:15am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

McCain: Fundamentals of Economy Strong

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makeitstop  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:06:19am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

McCain, wasn’t it?

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:07:55am

re: #126 makeitstop

McCain, wasn’t it?

Yeah…that those fundamentals weren’t so hot. This entire maladministration is just a parody at this point.

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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:08:46am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

Just so typical of the Trump (Mal)Administration: they can’t even deliver the standard BS disclaimers without having to toss in a few gratuitous insults. “Sesame Street”?? SRSLY??

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jeffreyw  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:15:05am
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lizardofid  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:21:05am

re: #122 MsJ

This whole thing sounds like a great idea.

I am not sure if I have seen a worse idea coming out of Wall Street…maybe collateralized sub-prime mortgages being sold as AAA.

Hedge with Keno cards?

Oh, good morning everyone!

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plansbandc  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:29:25am
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:33:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:33:44am

re: #114 MsJ

Looks like Donald Trump may have finally found a way to alienate evangelical voters

Not enough to drive them into the arms of the Godless Democrats, but perhaps more of them will stay home in 2020.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:36:31am

I love how that this is where we are as a country now: where saying ‘Slavery is still a sin that affects us to this day’ is somehow divisive and Anti-American, and thus ‘the real racism’, and where avowed self-proclaimed anti-fascists are the real terrorists and we must be protected from them by avowed, open fascists because they, they somehow are the Real America we must protect.

We are fully in the upside-down, and the only thing missing is just hanging a fucking ‘Whites Only” sign around the Statue of Liberty. Oh. Wait. Ken Cuccinelli already rhetorically did that.

Holy fuck how have we backslid this far in just two and a half years?

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:38:59am
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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:40:42am

re: #135 MsJ

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And the Portland PD apparently approves of this.

After all, what’s millions in wasted resources compared to triggering the libz? ////

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:42:35am

re: #134 Citizen K

I love how that this is where we are as a country now: where saying ‘Slavery is still a sin that affects us to this day’ is somehow divisive and Anti-American, and thus ‘the real racism’, and where avowed self-proclaimed anti-fascists are the real terrorists and we must be protected from them by avowed, open fascists because they, they somehow are the Real America we must protect.

We are fully in the upside-down, and the only thing missing is just hanging a fucking ‘Whites Only” sign around the Statue of Liberty. Oh. Wait. Ken Cuccinelli already rhetorically did that.

Holy fuck how have we backslid this far in just two and a half years?

The paraphrase the Doctor: We aren’t fighting an invasion, we are leading a revolution. The bad guys are here, and they are in charge. We, as a country, thought we had gotten rid of them. But Obama’s election scared far too many white people into believing they had to do whatever they could to maintain white privilege.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:55:44am

Screw them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:01:27am

re: #138 DodgerFan1988

Looks like Donald Trump may have finally found a way to alienate evangelical voters

They were racist before they were financially insecure, negroes and immigrants are just a good excuse for the fact their white politicians have let them down

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:02:38am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

Who else remembers Phil Gramm saying in 2008 that the economy had never been stronger?

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:03:27am

re: #140 Joe Bacon 🌹

Who else remembers Phil Gramm saying in 2008 that the economy had never been stronger?

Republicans…denying facts for decades.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:06:28am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:07:37am

re: #114 MsJ

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Nope. I guarantee you that the so-called “conservative Democrat” who is the subject of that piece will gladly vote for Trump in 2020 because he gets off on seeing Trump smack down colored people and gays.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:11:00am

re: #141 MsJ

Republicans…denying facts for decades.

And it sure is interesting that all of the video clips that had Gramm saying that are suppressed by Google’s searching algorithm.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:12:31am

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. I guarantee you that the so-called “conservative Democrat” who is the subject of that piece will gladly vote for Trump in 2020 because he gets off on seeing Trump smack down colored people and gays.

This pretty much sums up where I’m at these days:

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:13:20am

LOLWUT

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:14:56am

re: #145 Citizen K

This pretty much sums up where I’m at these days:

[Embedded content]

Just a reminder that a majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016…

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:15:36am

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. I guarantee you that the so-called “conservative Democrat” who is the subject of that piece will gladly vote for Trump in 2020 because he gets off on seeing Trump smack down colored people and gays.

He’s a “conservative Democrat” like I’m a “liberal Republican” — meaning we registered with a party back when we were teenagers, the party has changed a whole lot since then but we never bothered changing our registration. For decades, we’ve voted in the general for the other party’s nominee.

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Mescalero09  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:19:47am

re: #129 jeffreyw

“MORE SUET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:20:38am

As always, this smells like complicity and privilege.

Once again, it seems hate speech is not what’s treated as the problem, but calling it out. Somehow ,that’s more hateful than the actual hate speech, calling out racism is somehow more racist than actual racism. Just like fucking always.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:23:14am

re: #150 Citizen K

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As always, this smells like complicity and privilege.

Once again, it seems hate speech is not what’s treated as the problem, but calling it out. Somehow ,that’s more hateful than the actual hate speech, calling out racism is somehow more racist than actual racism. Just like fucking always.

And I just got blocked in Facebook for responding to a relative calling Kamala Harris the “N” word by posting that Trump was The White Trash President.

Facebook has silenced me for 3 days and my relative gets a pass…

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:30:04am

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

You are exactly correct. I know a bunch of people who fit that description to a T.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:31:29am

re: #150 Citizen K

[Embedded content]

As always, this smells like complicity and privilege.

Once again, it seems hate speech is not what’s treated as the problem, but calling it out. Somehow ,that’s more hateful than the actual hate speech, calling out racism is somehow more racist than actual racism. Just like fucking always.

Fuck twitter and fuck facebook

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:38:17am

re: #150 Citizen K

[Embedded content]

As always, this smells like complicity and privilege.

Once again, it seems hate speech is not what’s treated as the problem, but calling it out. Somehow ,that’s more hateful than the actual hate speech, calling out racism is somehow more racist than actual racism. Just like fucking always.

this is the faux excuse theyre using. that’s all it is
its how they justify getting away with it…for now
yes they have the power to do it
no one with two brain cells buys this bullshit

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:43:45am

So Chuck Grassley is apparently pissed that Trump has granted 31 biofuel waivers

“They screwed us … when they issued 31 waivers,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) told Iowa Public Television Friday (in the video above). He said fewer than 10 waivers were granted during “all the Obama years — and we thought that was bad.”

Grassley added: “What’s really bad isn’t a waiver, it’s that it’s being granted to people that really aren’t [in financial] hardship,” while farmers are suffering a record number of bankruptcies. He said the “buck stops at the Oval Office.”

If only we had 4 decades worth of knowledge about Donald Trump being an untrustworthy lying asshole willing to screw over anyone if he thought it could make him a quick buck in the moment (future consequences be damned)… oh, wait, we did have that, didn’t we?

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:46:40am

re: #155 KGxvi

So Chuck Grassley is apparently pissed that Trump has granted 31 biofuel waivers

If only we had 40 decades worth of knowledge about Donald Trump being an untrustworthy lying asshole willing to screw over anyone if he thought it could make him a quick buck in the moment (future consequences be damned)… oh, wait, we did have that, didn’t we?

we certainly should have figured it out in 40 decades ;-)

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plansbandc  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:46:44am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:47:03am

Iowa needs to fire Phony Joni and The GRASSHOLE!

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:47:27am
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:47:59am

re: #158 Joe Bacon 🌹

Iowa needs to fire Phony Joni and The GRASSHOLE!

And Steve King.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:48:36am

Accurate description of Pompeo!

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:50:27am

re: #159 gocart mozart

Is that real? I mean a real result or was it ‘shopped?

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:54:13am

re: #156 DangerMan

we certainly should have figured it out in 40 decades ;-)

cotdammit… obviously, I’ve not yet consumed enough caffeine this morning.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:54:56am

Os he going to “build bridges” just to shut them down again?

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:57:53am

re: #164 Joe Bacon 🌹

we’ve thought about it, and… the reason there’s so little civility in politics is because the libtards left won’t let us do whatever we want

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:04:28am

re: #102 Scout

What ever you do, don’t make the same mistakes as me. Do not suggest Hillary Clinton ran anything less than a perfect campaign in 2016, and do not suggest that dehumanizing North Koreans is a bad thing.

Like me, you will be vilified.

Every candidate runs a highly flawed campaign. It’s after the fact that the media develops a narrative as to why the candidate won or lost. The 1955 incarnation of the great Doc Brown explained (my paraphrase) that “Of course Reagan won — presidents have to look good on TV”. Of course, given that the counter-intelligence investigation into the 2016 election was probably short-circuited by the Trump administration, we will never know if Trump’s victory was aided by Russian success in changing actual votes or how many voters were disenfranchised by Russian changes to the voter databases.

There are single-issue voters (gum-humpers, anti-choice fanatics) who make their decision on policy; there are others who vote party allegiance without thinking. But as for the rest — it’s personality that controls the decision-making process. In the Nixon-Kennedy nail-biter, Kennedy ultimately carried the day because he was a star on the new media. Hillary was totally un-charismatic; she made her appeals strictly to the thought processes of the American public — a losing strategy. Yes, she did win the popular vote — but that is irrelevant. What we need is someone with the intellect of Hillary but the charm of Bill.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:06:43am

re: #162 MsJ

I don’t know. Some idiot accused me of being a bot and posted that.

Here is the whole thread (hypersensitive liberals)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:09:46am

So Señor Snort is going to have a conference call with business leaders to assure them the economy is in great shape…

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:13:32am

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

Every candidate runs a highly flawed campaign. It’s after the fact that the media develops a narrative as to why the candidate won or lost. The 1955 incarnation of the great Doc Brown explained (my paraphrase) that “Of course Reagan won — presidents have to look good on TV”. Of course, given that the counter-intelligence investigation into the 2016 election was probably short-circuited by the Trump administration, we will never know if Trump’s victory was aided by Russian success in changing actual votes or how many voters were disenfranchised by Russian changes to the voter databases.

There are single-issue voters (gum-humpers, anti-choice fanatics) who make their decision on policy; there are others who vote party allegiance without thinking. But as for the rest — it’s personality that controls the decision-making process. In the Nixon-Kennedy nail-biter, Kennedy ultimately carried the day because he was a star on the new media. Hillary was totally un-charismatic; she made her appeals strictly to the thought processes of the American public — a losing strategy. Yes, she did win the popular vote — but that is irrelevant. What we need is someone with the intellect of Hillary but the charm of Bill.

Campaigns are somewhat like sports in that most analysis around them plays the result. In football, you go for it on fourth and goal and score a touchdown, you’re a genius and a gambler and a hero; you run the same play in the same scenario and don’t score, you’re an idiot and a fool and should have taken the easy points of the field goal.

Same thing in politics. Hillary Clinton ran a “terrible” campaign because she lost three states by a total of 75,000 votes or so. Had the GOTV efforts brought out 35,000 extra people in each of those states, she’d be the first female POTUS.

I’d also point out that there are plenty of single issue voters and party allegiance voters across the political spectrum. I’m guessing I’m probably one of the very few people among this commentariat who has voted for presidential nominees from three (let alone two) different parties.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:15:48am

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

What’s more accurate predicting the economy?

Tossing darts at a board!

Anytime I think about how we deal with the economy, I think about a particular episode of South Park, and a particular scene where Kyle eventually has to go to the fed to return a margarita blender his dad bought:

South Park - American Economics

171
The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:16:41am

PWN3D AGAIN

172
DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:19:07am

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Señor Snort is going to have a conference call with business leaders to assure them the economy is in great shape…

[Embedded content]

like theyre gonna believe whatever he says?
or learn something they dont already know?

a ‘reassurance’ call is meaningless
not to mention - needing one in the first place really says it all

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:23:13am

re: #171 The Pie Overlord!

PWN3D AGAIN

[Embedded content]

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:24:50am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:28:52am

re: #174 gocart mozart

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Of course they did. Abolitionism didn’t come out of nowhere.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:31:29am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“the fundamentals of the economy are very strong”

hold up just a second there…we’ve heard that before

Fun fact: Two months before the Enron bankruptcy, executives were claiming the business was “in the best shape it’s ever been in.”

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:32:28am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Of course they did. Abolitionism didn’t come out of nowhere.

One of the reasons that Hamilton was very dislike (particularly by southern politicians) was that he was an abolitionist

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:35:59am

re: #177 KGxvi

One of the reasons that Hamilton was very dislike (particularly by southern politicians) was that he was an abolitionist

I’ve come to like the Federalists much more than the Jeffersonians the more I learn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:37:09am

These paragraphs from a Bloomberg opinion piece on a coming Trump caused recession are astounding:

Slowing growth in Europe and China has various causes, but high on the list is trade — because Trump has made disrupting commerce his main instrument of economic policy. Right now, damage to the flow of goods and services is the least of it. Far more dangerous is the blow to confidence and investment. Firms and investors are starting to ask where the president’s willingness to wreck the global economic architecture might actually lead.

Until now, the tendency has been to see the administration’s protectionist initiatives as a combination of tactical (hence temporary) disruptions and threats that will come to nothing. This is presumably why stock markets have mostly been betting on further expansion. But Trump, erratic in so many other respects, has been consistent on one thing: his disdain for international cooperation in general, and for the liberal order of global trade in particular. An idea seems to be dawning at last: Perhaps he really is willing to see both destroyed.

There was a time I would never have believed you if you told me publications would write about an American President this way.

Fucking hell.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:41:15am

Lre: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

These paragraphs from a Bloomberg opinion piece on a coming Trump caused recession are astounding:

Slowing growth in Europe and China has various causes, but high on the list is trade — because Trump has made disrupting commerce his main instrument of economic policy. Right now, damage to the flow of goods and services is the least of it. Far more dangerous is the blow to confidence and investment. Firms and investors are starting to ask where the president’s willingness to wreck the global economic architecture might actually lead.

Until now, the tendency has been to see the administration’s protectionist initiatives as a combination of tactical (hence temporary) disruptions and threats that will come to nothing. This is presumably why stock markets have mostly been betting on further expansion. But Trump, erratic in so many other respects, has been consistent on one thing: his disdain for international cooperation in general, and for the liberal order of global trade in particular. An idea seems to be dawning at last: Perhaps he really is willing to see both destroyed.

There was a time I would never have believed you if you told me publications would write about an American President this way.

Fucking hell.

He could wreck the economy for a long time. I’m so angry thinking about where we were three years ago.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:43:15am

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

These paragraphs from a Bloomberg opinion piece on a coming Trump caused recession are astounding:

Slowing growth in Europe and China has various causes, but high on the list is trade — because Trump has made disrupting commerce his main instrument of economic policy. Right now, damage to the flow of goods and services is the least of it. Far more dangerous is the blow to confidence and investment. Firms and investors are starting to ask where the president’s willingness to wreck the global economic architecture might actually lead.

Until now, the tendency has been to see the administration’s protectionist initiatives as a combination of tactical (hence temporary) disruptions and threats that will come to nothing. This is presumably why stock markets have mostly been betting on further expansion. But Trump, erratic in so many other respects, has been consistent on one thing: his disdain for international cooperation in general, and for the liberal order of global trade in particular. An idea seems to be dawning at last: Perhaps he really is willing to see both destroyed.

There was a time I would never have believed you if you told me publications would write about an American President this way.

Fucking hell.

Perhaps he really is willing to see both destroyed nuts

182
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:44:28am

So Eric Garner’s killer has finally been fired.

nbcnews.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:45:40am

re: #164 Joe Bacon 🌹

Os he going to “build bridges” just to shut them down again?

Fuck them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:46:32am

re: #182 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Eric Garner’s killer has finally been fired.

nbcnews.com

Don’t worry, he’ll end up on another force soon enough.

*spit*

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:54:29am
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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:54:35am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

I’ve come to like the Federalists much more than the Jeffersonians the more I learn.

As I’ve mentioned before, the divisions in this country have been there from the beginning. City vs rural, race, money… those are the fault lines that are most active through history.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:55:01am

He won’t be unemployed for long. I’m sure Fox News will hire him as a “legal analyst guest.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:56:57am

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Fuck them.

I think the Golden Calf Congregation, aka “Republican Party,” has started to insist on “civility” because they know it is difficult to address their crimes and general depravity in a civil manner. Were the prosecutors at Nuremberg civil to the devils they had in the dock? Was Vince Bugliosi civil to Charles Manson? Otoh, Grant was civil to Robert E. Lee and his ilk and it got us an additional 100+ years of slavery and oppression.

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 9:57:27am

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

These paragraphs from a Bloomberg opinion piece on a coming Trump caused recession are astounding:

Reminder: Back in 2016, Michael Bloomberg expressed some thoughts about Donald Trump:

Mike Bloomberg Addresses the 2016 Democratic National Convention

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:08:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:09:27am

Any white person of my generation who grew up in a house that their parents bought with a US government-backed mortgage was enjoying economic benefits generally denied to blacks at the time.

Anyone from a family which benefited from Depression-era jobs programs, WPA or CCC, also received economic aid that was denied to blacks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:13:16am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:13:24am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Any white person of my generation who grew up in a house that their parents bought with a US government-backed mortgage was enjoying economic benefits generally denied to blacks at the time.

Anyone from a family which benefited from Depression-era jobs programs, WPA or CCC, also received economic aid that was denied to blacks.

Dad went into the CCC when he graduated from high school. They sent him to work in several places in Virginia. He noted that no blacks were allowed in the CCC…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:15:12am

re: #193 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dad went into the CCC when he graduated from high school. They sent him to work in several places in Virginia. He noted that no blacks were allowed in the CCC…

Roosevelt could never have sold the program to any Southern Democrats if it had included blacks…

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:33:31am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Any white person of my generation who grew up in a house that their parents bought with a US government-backed mortgage was enjoying economic benefits generally denied to blacks at the time.

We also got excellent education at well-funded public schools, those of us who lived in red-lined whites-only jurisdictions. Small class sizes, well-stocked library and science labs, new textbooks every 3 or 4 years, SAT prep and ACT testing, honors classes and arts and athletics and field trips and a guidance counselor who helped us with college applications…


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