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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:24:41am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:24:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:36:15am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Wait, what the fuck does Google even have to do with voting?

Or is this just Trump making less and less sense like he usually does?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:37:42am
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b.d.  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:37:59am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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2.6 to 16 million, seems legit considering how they narrowed it down so much.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:38:39am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, what the fuck does Google even have to do with voting?

Or is this just Trump making less and less sense like he usually does?

if he retweets he can say he didnt make it up
that makes it ‘legitimate’

nevertheless trump is a loon

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:40:38am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Ben Garrison, paragon of mental health.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:40:55am

So, I’m hearing reports here on Czech news that TSA and Border Patrol computers have gone done in the US, making international air travel a bit chaotic.

Any confirmation from stateside Lizards?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:44:45am

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

So, I’m hearing reports here on Czech news that TSA and Border Patrol computers have gone done in the US, making international air travel a bit chaotic.

Any confirmation from stateside Lizards?

A brief jaunt through Twitter indicates there were some outages at both agencies on Friday (8/16) but nothing today it would appear.

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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:48:12am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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“Revising history” in this case seems to mean revising the standard wingnut boilerplate version of US history where any vestige of “racism” in our societal system belongs only to the distant past, has been completely erased by law, and exists only as a hollow insult to (obviously tolerant and open-minded) Real Americans: made by America-hating hippie commie atheists. Who, of course, use said insult to try to avoid the “obvious reality” that black peoples’ problems with society are all their own fault…..

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:48:32am

She came with parents from Taiwan when she was 10, overstayed visa. For 16 years lived in the country undocumented until she married her husband and gained citizenship in 2013
But, that’ll be OK, she’s a Trump supporter

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:49:58am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:50:31am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

A brief jaunt through Twitter indicates there were some outages at both agencies on Friday (8/16) but nothing today it would appear.

Nothing showing today at downdetector.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:51:08am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

A brief jaunt through Twitter indicates there were some outages at both agencies on Friday (8/16) but nothing today it would appear.

OK. I might’ve misunderstood.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:52:26am

Those Proud Boys morons are really a piece of work.

If you’re pissed off at the world, there ARE healthy ways to work out your aggression. I guess it just isn’t fun for them unless they are hurting people.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:55:08am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:55:55am

re: #16 jaunte

And here I was always taught to use violence only as a last resort.

Silly me.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:57:17am

Gavin McInnes thumbs up on Nazi-punching.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:57:54am

re: #18 jaunte

Gavin McInnes thumbs up on Nazi-punching.

And buttplugs, too!

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 10:59:55am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

She came with parents from Taiwan when she was 10, overstayed visa. For 16 years lived in the country undocumented until she married her husband and gained citizenship in 2013
But, that’ll be OK, she’s a Trump supporter

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The 11th is (or was) an R+6 district; yet Haley won by 6 points.

And I’m not sure that this argument is going to work so well for Mrs. Williams:

“Now as a citizen, I want to help change the Washington culture,” she says in her announcement video. “I’m sick and tired of political games, and I’m sure you are too. When I’ll go to Congress as a pro-life conservative who supports strong border security, Democrats are going to have a hard time using their typical playbook against me.”

Supporting stronger border security when you previously benefited directly from weaker security is a terrible argument - you’re basically arguing to close the door behind you.

Then again, I’m beginning to think that “border security” is about stopping the poor brown people from the south, rather than some sort of organized and just immigration system. Because it’s always about the border and never about people overstaying visas. So, maybe it’ll work in the GOP primary.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:01:45am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

She came with parents from Taiwan when she was 10, overstayed visa. For 16 years lived in the country undocumented until she married her husband and gained citizenship in 2013
But, that’ll be OK, she’s a Trump supporter

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Fuck you, I got mine.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:02:14am

re: #16 jaunte

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But but Antifa.//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:03:23am

re: #20 KGxvi

The 11th is (or was) an R+6 district; yet Haley won by 6 points.

And I’m not sure that this argument is going to work so well for Mrs. Williams:

Supporting stronger border security when you previously benefited directly from weaker security is a terrible argument - you’re basically arguing to close the door behind you.

Then again, I’m beginning to think that “border security” is about stopping the poor brown people from the south, rather than some sort of organized and just immigration system. Because it’s always about the border and never about people overstaying visas. So, maybe it’ll work in the GOP primary.

Benefiting from the liberal laws regarding Cuban immigrants didn’t stop Ted Cruz.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:03:37am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

She came with parents from Taiwan when she was 10, overstayed visa. For 16 years lived in the country undocumented until she married her husband and gained citizenship in 2013
But, that’ll be OK, she’s a Trump supporter

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so she was a criminal for 16 years
that makes her ripe for immediate deportation, right?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:04:37am

re: #24 DangerMan

so she was a criminal for 16 years
that makes her ripe for immediate deportation, right?

By her own standards she should be. Not that I support it.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:04:47am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

But but Antifa.//

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:05:52am

“He’s an odious little grifter and it’s time for him to go.”

— Fox News host Steve Hilton, quoted by The Hill, on National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.

i swear before i read the cite, i thought it was referring to trump

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:05:52am

Imagine the level of delusion necessary to maintain that Antifa is a “tyranny.”
Today’s GOP.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:07:30am

re: #28 jaunte

Imagine the level of delusion necessary to maintain that Antifa is a “tyranny.”
Today’s GOP Media.

Unfortunately, just like always, the right-wing narrative on this is the one that’s being accepted credulously as ‘the truth’, despite the bullshit being easily called all over.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:07:35am

re: #26 jaunte

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I swear to God this shit is absurd.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:08:06am

re: #26 jaunte

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yeah, way more important than focusing on right wingers who are threatening and actually shooting people

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:08:14am

re: #27 DangerMan

“He’s an odious little grifter and it’s time for him to go.”

— Fox News host Steve Hilton, quoted by The Hill, on National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.

i swear before i read the cite, i thought it was referring to trump

He’s always been. You just didn’t notice since he was your odious grifter.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:08:39am

Antifa raising my rent and losing my other sock.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:08:49am

re: #31 DangerMan

yeah, way more important than focusing on right wingers who are threatening and actually shooting people

Don’t wanna offend their base.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:09:36am

re: #24 DangerMan

so she was a criminal for 16 years
that makes her ripe for immediate deportation, right?

Interesting aspect about Castro’s argument of decriminalizing border crossings. From what I’ve read of the statutes, overstaying a visa does not subject you to criminal liability in the way that crossing the border does. Which makes sense, when you consider that the author of the law criminalizing unauthorized border crossings was a racist asshole.

But it also opens up an interesting argument regarding the “well just go back and get in line” argument we often hear. If you admit that you’ve crossed the border without authorization, you’ve admitted to a misdemeanor or felony, which would otherwise bar you from re-entry. But if you overstay a visa, you don’t have a criminal record and thus can re-enter the US.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:10:56am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

He’s always been. You just didn’t notice since he was your odious grifter.

i dont often do ad homs but lapierre looks like what we used to call ‘oily’

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:11:07am

Antifa mau-maued Foxgrannies!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:11:20am

This would seem a simple extension of logic: If you think ANTIFA are terrorists because you support what they are against…you are a Fascist.

I don’t agree with Antifas tactics, but I think every American has a duty to NOT support Fascism.

JFC.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:11:56am

re: #26 jaunte

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This is deeply fucking nuts. I mean we are truly well down the rabbit hole.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:16:22am

re: #27 DangerMan

“He’s an odious little grifter and it’s time for him to go.”

— Fox News host Steve Hilton, quoted by The Hill, on National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.

i swear before i read the cite, i thought it was referring to trump

That applies to so many in the GOP.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:17:08am

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:18:43am

re: #26 jaunte

What antifa attacks on journalists?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:18:51am

re: #24 DangerMan

so she was a criminal for 16 years
that makes her ripe for immediate deportation, right?

Hmmmm…wondering if Daddy and Mommy’s money gave her family a pass…

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:18:53am

nice.

yet another incident that would have tanked any normal president’s career

The mayor of Dayton, Ohio, needed extra security after President Donald Trump publicly insulted her, The Dayton Daily News reported.

Mayor Nan Whaley, grappling with the aftermath of a mass shooting this month in which nine people were killed, received a torrent of threats and abusive comments after the president traveled to the city to visit with victims and meet with local leaders.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:20:29am

re: #42 Belafon

What antifa attacks on journalists?

They have lost any claim to credibility.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:23:25am
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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:26:04am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:26:45am

re: #16 jaunte

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Well, okay then.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:28:25am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:28:54am

re: #26 jaunte

Rep. Mark Walker

@RepMarkWalker
Antifa’s oppressive and dangerous attacks on journalists and law enforcement officers must be curtailed. That’s why @RepMarkGreen & I introduced a resolution to encourage the administration to recognize Antifa’s threat and protect Americans and our institutions from their tyranny

Since the resolution is in the House, it’s DOA. Of course, they will use it as a bludgeon to attack their Democratic opponents in 2020.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:29:03am

Why is it every time I click on any article in the Washington Post, Wayne LaPierre’s ugly mug pops up on the sidebar. I click on the ad and tell Google it’s offensive and it keeps propping up.

Once in a while there is another ad that pops up for “Save California Prop 13”. But when I click on that ad, Wayne’s ugly-ass face pops up again!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:29:13am
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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:30:57am

re: #49 jaunte

Planned Parenthood said it will withdraw from the federal Title X program that helps low-income people access contraception

vote like your life depends on it.

Because it does.

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:31:09am

re: #51 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why is it every time I click on any article in the Washington Post, Wayne LaPierre’s ugly mug pops up on the sidebar. I click on the ad and tell Google it’s offensive and it keeps propping up.

Once in a while there is another ad that pops up for “Save California Prop 13”. But when I click on that ad, Wayne’s ugly-ass face pops up again!

When I use Google on my phone, I get Fox News bullshit (blocked, yet displayed again a couple of weeks later, blocked again and this time it appears to have taken) and various right-wing blogs (blocked - those seem to take just fine on the first block attempt).

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:31:28am

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And therefore Twitter’s repsonse will be to block all attempts by HK residents to discuss it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:32:11am

Do you think Russia has its hands in this Hong Kong thing too?

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:33:26am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:34:06am

re: #42 Belafon

What antifa attacks on journalists?

Andy Ngo claims to be a “journalist”

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:34:23am
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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:36:47am
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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:37:58am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think Russia has its hands in this Hong Kong thing too?

Nah, this is just China (and Xi in particular) being China. Putin seems to believe in the old spheres of influence world view and would see Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan as all being China’s.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:41:01am

Garbage Hobbit steps on his dick again.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:42:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:45:09am

re: #63 gocart mozart

Right wing goons using algorithms to suppress opposing speech.

This is going to become a BIG fucking problem during the election.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:47:18am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

Right wing goons using algorithms to suppress opposing speech.

This is going to become a BIG fucking problem during the election.

The algorithms wouldn’t be this easily exploited if those that were in charge put effort into fixing them. And considering how long this has been a problem, it raises the question of whether those in charge actually see it as a problem, or whether they see it as working exactly as it should to them.

In other words, at some point, complicity becomes a more likely explanation than incompetence.

EDIT: Case in point, remember how Twitter and Facebooksaid they couldn’t be harsher in moderation on white supremacists, because if they did, their algorithms would pick up Republican pols in their net? Because clearly if they were elected GOP officials they couldn’t actually be racist?

Funny how that shit never seems to apply on the left either, they just give them the full fucking boot for shit 10% as bad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:47:30am

re: #62 The Pie Overlord!

Garbage Hobbit steps on his dick again.

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Also: Roy Moore, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, etc, etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:48:18am

I’m in Facebook jail for calling Trump the White Trash President.

Relative uses N word about Kamala Harris and Facebook approves…

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:54:47am

This coming from a scumbag who gets paid thousands of dollars for nothing more than to spew racist and misogynist crap on a daily basis.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:57:54am

re: #65 Citizen K

The algorithms wouldn’t be this easily exploited if those that were in charge put effort into fixing them. And considering how long this has been a problem, it raises the question of whether those in charge actually see it as a problem, or whether they see it as working exactly as it should to them.

In other words, at some point, complicity becomes a more likely explanation than incompetence.

I suspect that there is an overwhelming percentage of white dudes still in positions of power in these companies and as a result they can’t see how to fix the problems. It’s literally a lack of diversity that’s causing a giant fucking blind spot.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 11:58:39am

re: #68 DodgerFan1988

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This coming from a scumbag who gets paid thousand of dollars for nothing more than to spew racist and misogynist crap on a daily basis.

Doesn’t Benjyboy’s wife work?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:01:10pm
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retired cynic  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:02:23pm

Jennifer Rubin has a good one today:

List to Stacey Abrams

She breaks it down on why Abrams is such a good political mind.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:02:27pm

re: #67 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m in Facebook jail for calling Trump the White Trash President.

Relative uses N word about Kamala Harris and Facebook approves…

Isn’t this just a byproduct of using algorithms to flag speech without having knowledgeable humans reviewing the decision? Because it’s too expensive to involve humans in these decisions, given the level of content on these platforms. Our host can keep this a safe place for the honest exchange of ideas because there are only hundreds comments daily — and only a few hundred members. But this is not a scalable task. It would become impossible task for a single person to manage if they were confronted with thousands of active members who posted tens of thousands comments, let alone tens of millions of active participants. Suddenly you would have to involve hundred of reviewers — and how can you guarantee that they are all honest?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:04:14pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t this just a byproduct of using algorithms to flag speech without having knowledgeable humans reviewing the decision? Because it’s too expensive to involve humans in these decisions, given the level of content on these platforms. Our host can keep this a safe place for the honest exchange of ideas because there are only hundreds comments daily — and only a few hundred members. But this is not a scalable task. It would become impossible task for a single person to manage if they were confronted with thousands of active members who posted tens of thousands comments, let alone tens of millions of active participants. Suddenly you would have to involve hundred of reviewers — and how can you guarantee that they are all honest?

I asked for a review and they still suspended me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:05:04pm

re: #74 Joe Bacon 🌹

I asked for a review and they still suspended me.

AND

They sustained the decision to let my relative use the “N” word.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:06:32pm

re: #69 KGxvi

I suspect that there is an overwhelming percentage of white dudes still in positions of power in these companies and as a result they can’t see how to fix the problems. It’s literally a lack of diversity that’s causing a giant fucking blind spot.

if they in fact see ‘problems’ at all

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:08:11pm

So, everyone’s worried about it except the people most likely to do it.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:08:41pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t this just a byproduct of using algorithms to flag speech without having knowledgeable humans reviewing the decision? Because it’s too expensive to involve humans in these decisions, given the level of content on these platforms. Our host can keep this a safe place for the honest exchange of ideas because there are only hundreds comments daily — and only a few hundred members. But this is not a scalable task. It would become impossible task for a single person to manage if they were confronted with thousands of active members who posted tens of thousands comments, let alone tens of millions of active participants. Suddenly you would have to involve hundred of reviewers — and how can you guarantee that they are all honest?

As others have said, the algorithm flags, but it’s still humans doing the reviews. And almost unerringly they fall on letting racists be racists but giving the boot to those who challenge said racists. Which again leads to my point that this may be the algorithms performing exactly as they want them to. Complicity over incompetence.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:08:49pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump has reshaped American attitudes to a remarkable extent on a trio of his key issues—race, immigration, and trade.

i dont know if ‘shaped’ is the right word

-brought out the evil in some people that was already there
- certainly made others more aware though likely cemented how they probably already felt

‘shaped/reshaped’? i dont think so

uncovered or laid bare maybe

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:08:55pm
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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:09:04pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

So, everyone’s worried about it except the people most likely to do it.

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Makes sense… those most likely to do it aren’t worried about being targets.

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:12:20pm

re: #80 Belafon

Donald Trump says we need to build “institutions” to prevent gun violence and mass shootings.]

he could be on to something
build ‘institutions’
put the guns in them

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:13:49pm

re: #74 Joe Bacon 🌹

I asked for a review and they still suspended me.

But who actually does these reviews? A low wage worker in Mumbai? A more sophisticated AI routine? Someone who was on Jay Leno’s Jaywalking sketch?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:14:12pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Makes sense… those most likely to do it aren’t worried about being targets.

Not to mention the depth of denial - El Paso wasn’t about white supremacy, or anti-immigrant hatred, you see. It was Mental Illness!

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:18:54pm

re: #82 DangerMan

he could be on to something
build ‘institutions’
put the guns in them

We could call them “Places of Gun Worship” or “Places to Practice Shooting” or something like that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:20:31pm

re: #80 Belafon

The sort of mentally ill people we used to institutionalize aren’t the ones shooting people. Most shooters had jobs, making enough money to buy the guns and ammo, so they’re not incapable of functioning in society. The Las Vegas shooter was a well to do business man, for example.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:22:49pm
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:23:19pm

It seems that Joni Ernst is having some trouble answering questions:

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:25:10pm

Good thread on the “Italian Hollywood” Cinecitta, or cinema city

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:26:42pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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Well, at least he gave up the cocaine.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:26:46pm

re: #80 Belafon

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Classify white nationalism and racism as a mental illness and I’m in.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:30:52pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:32:01pm

73 today. Bill is a couple of months younger than Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:32:09pm
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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:36:34pm

re: #88 Belafon

It seems that Joni Ernst is having some trouble answering questions:

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Clips not loading for me: what did Senator Hog-Chopper have to say?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:37:28pm

re: #62 The Pie Overlord!

Ben Shapiro, apparently forgetting that Donald Trump is the Republican President of the United States, says “I’m not aware of a single major Republican figure who said the Barack Obama was not the legitimate President of the United States”

He is damn aware but he knows how to employ the rhetorical devices he learned in law school.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:37:36pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

LOL Kudlow was stinking drunk. Probably smelled like a rotgut distillery.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:39:10pm

re: #62 The Pie Overlord!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:43:52pm

re: #98 Citizen K

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Who else remembers Benjyboy saying Obama was an illegitimate President?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:47:33pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:48:20pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:49:18pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

He’s lying, he has no soul.

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Interesting Times  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:50:59pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:51:15pm

re: #95 Jay C

Clips not loading for me: what did Senator Hog-Chopper have to say?

iowastartingline.com

“As part of my teacher training this past week, I was asked to listen to popping sounds and then determine if they were gun shots or not,” said Ellie Holland, a speech and language pathologist teacher. “I was then asked to be trained to man a family reunification center to provide counseling to parents seeking their children following a catastrophic event.”

“My question to you today, Senator, is when can I plan to get back to trainings that simply teach children to read and write?” she asked.

After some applause from the crowd, Ernst replied as she did throughout all the questions this morning, talking about laws already on the books and calling for more action on mental health care.

“This is a very, very difficult time, and we have gone through many of these,” Ernst began. “I remember going through all types of drills as a child growing up.”

Parts of the crowd yelled out “not like this,” along with intermittent “do something!” shouts.

Ernst also tries to talk about a lack of counselors, but doesn’t seem to be acknowledging being part of the reason there are fewer.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:51:46pm

re: #101 Flying Squirrel Girl

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Oh shit!

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:54:24pm

Kurt Eichenwald had a pretty good tweet-rant about Adam Lanza: his parents had done pretty much everything possible in terms of mental health (short of institutionalizing him), so there was very little that mental health care could have done. The one thing that would have prevented that loss of precious life was to take guns out of the house.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:55:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:56:01pm

Main problem for 1619 Project—as usual—is that those most in need of its instruction won’t read it.

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Interesting Times  Aug 19, 2019 • 12:57:47pm

re: #107 DodgerFan1988

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From the linked article:

Though the National States Rights Party was not the Ku Klux Klan, it had close ties to the organization and in publicity about the campaign against Cash, many outlets—and Cash himself—identified it as the KKK.

Hmmm, where have we heard that before…?

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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:00:54pm

re: #106 Barefoot Grin

Kurt Eichenwald had a pretty good tweet-rant about Adam Lanza: his parents had done pretty much everything possible in terms of mental health (short of institutionalizing him), so there was very little that mental health care could have done. The one thing that would have prevented that loss of precious life was to take guns out of the house.

i think its hard to acknowledge that no matter what laws might be put in place (short of actual, effective and total confiscation) (and they wont) is that there is no way to stop the next mass shooting. certainly reduce the numbers. and they do id and catch some of the less than careful ones out there. but there will always be a next mass shooting.

focus on reducing the total number of gun deaths overall
focus on accountability, especially regarding sales and transfers
focus on things they cant say no to: “who else but the owner is responsible for whatever is done with his gun, including who he sells or gives it to?”

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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:08:18pm
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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:08:19pm

OT:

Don’t know if it’s been posted here (it’s from May), but I just saw Rodrigo y Gabriela released a new album recently. Here’s a single from it:

Rodrigo y Gabriela - Mettavolution

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:08:35pm

re: #110 DangerMan

i think its hard to acknowledge that no matter what laws might be put in place (short of actual, effective and total confiscation) (and they wont) is that there is no way to stop the next mass shooting. certainly reduce the numbers. and they do id and catch some of the less than careful ones out there. but there will always be a next mass shooting.

focus on reducing the total number of gun deaths overall
focus on accountability, especially regarding sales and transfers
focus on things they cant say no to: “who else but the owner is responsible for whatever is done with his gun, including who he sells or gives it to?”

It’s definitely a long, long term project (guns last a long time and there’s no way in hell they’ll ever be banned or confiscated), but I agree on your suggestions.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:12:39pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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Kudlow, drunk as Lot, sounds just like Trump sounds all the time! (Right down to the coke sniffs)

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:13:23pm

I’d ask where chuds like that come from, but that is sadly all too obvious.

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William Lewis  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:13:50pm

re: #106 Barefoot Grin

Kurt Eichenwald had a pretty good tweet-rant about Adam Lanza: his parents had done pretty much everything possible in terms of mental health (short of institutionalizing him), so there was very little that mental health care could have done. The one thing that would have prevented that loss of precious life was to take guns out of the house.

When my son was diagnosed, I sold all of my semiautomatic firearms. I lost about a thousand dollars that gunshow, especially for my M1 carbine. He has never shown any interest in doing anything like that but l felt the need to be safer.

Still miss that carbine.

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Mescalero09  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:14:29pm

Well my wife better watch her step.
And with that Barrister telling me my distant relatives were wiped out in a horrible accident In Kenya, and I’m the only known living relative and they were LOADED…… and all I need to do is send him my bank information and I get MILLIONS, she just better shape up…..

JACKPOT!!!!
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:15:18pm

re: #116 William Lewis

When my son was diagnosed, I sold all of my semiautomatic firearms. I lost about a thousand dollars that gunshow, especially for my M1 carbine. He has never shown any interest in doing anything like that but l felt the need to be safer.

Still miss that carbine.

Yeah, I think AL’s mom took him shooting as a kind of last-resort bonding experience.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:16:17pm

I am confident Johnny Cash would punch the shit out of Nazis.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:18:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:19:35pm

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:22:06pm

re: #115 Citizen K

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I’d ask where chuds like that come from, but that is sadly all too obvious.

These fucking people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:22:54pm

re: #110 DangerMan

focus on things they cant say no to: “who else but the owner is responsible for whatever is done with his gun, including who he sells or gives it to?”

Clearly covered by the “well-regulated militia” part of the 2A

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:25:07pm

re: #120 Barefoot Grin

Now take care of the US.

Edited.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:26:57pm

I’m working on an historical fiction novel set on the day before 9/11. As part of my research I’m sending some questions to a 17 year old girl I know from church (who of course was not alive at the time of the events) to get an idea of her perspective on them.

This should be interesting.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:27:57pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

We have an author in our midst!! How nice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:31:24pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

We have an author in our midst!! How nice.

Hopefully a fully published author by the time I’m 40 (just turned 38 last week). Fingers crossed…

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:32:27pm

re: #104 Belafon

iowastartingline.com
“This is a very, very difficult time, and we have gone through many of these,” Ernst began. “I remember going through all types of drills as a child growing up.”

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 29 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

(edited to correct my math error)

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:33:20pm

re: #111 Dread Pirate

Who could have predicted that a man who bankrupted several businesses would mess up the booming economy he inherited from President Obama?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:33:39pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully a fully published author by the time I’m 40 (just turned 38 last week). Fingers crossed…

Yes You Can!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:34:41pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 19 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

Actually, that would have made her 29.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:35:22pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 19 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

Yep. I’ve said this before: Every door at my elementary school opened to the outside. We never had shooter drills. I’m just a little bit older than she is, having been born in November, 1969.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:36:07pm
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DangerMan  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:38:22pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 19 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

she meant fire drills /s (not really)

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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:39:31pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 19 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

Typo about the Senator’s age aside, it’s REALLY unlikely she had experienced any “active-shooter” drills in rural Montgomery County, Iowa in the 1970s. Maybe she was busy “drilling” with a BS shovel…..

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:39:54pm

re: #134 DangerMan

she meant fire drills /s (not really)

That’s what she’s implying, for sure. But the parents aren’t buying it, because we’ve all been through those.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:40:21pm

Pence today at the Detroit Economic Club:

Pence’s message to 300 Detroit Economic Club members and guests, in short, was that the economy was in dire straits before Trump became president but now is riding high, and will continue to do so as long as voters don’t turn to what he termed Democratic socialists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:42:07pm

re: #133 The Pie Overlord!

Great letter. I only wish the dude had the stones to switch to the Democratic party. Not voting because you don’t want to vote for a Republican only helps get Republicans elected.

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Citizen K  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:44:01pm

Good god, Ben is such a shitty weasel. And yet he keeps getting treated like some great prodigal scion of conservatism.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:44:49pm

re: #139 Citizen K

Good god, Ben is such a shitty weasel. And yet he keeps getting treated like some great prodigal scion of conservatism.

Your first sentence is WHY he gets treated as you described in the second.

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mmmirele  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:47:13pm

re: #89 gocart mozart

Thanks for sharing this, I was completely unaware of Cinecitta and its history!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:47:16pm

re: #139 Citizen K

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Good god, Ben is such a shitty weasel. And yet he keeps getting treated like some great prodigal scion of conservatism.

Sarah Palin too but lie some more will ya Ben if it soothes your conscience. And Romney never disavowed it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:47:48pm

re: #139 Citizen K

Hi Ben. Here is you saying he would be the best challenger for Obama prior to 2012 and explaining how birtherism was the reason for that. You are bad at this.

He was fully aware, he is just being a demagogue who will lie and twist things in order to “win” an argument and be able to walk away smirking.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:47:56pm

re: #132 Belafon

Yep. I’ve said this before: Every door at my elementary school opened to the outside. We never had shooter drills. I’m just a little bit older than she is, having been born in November, 1969.

I was born in 1969 as well - and while we had earthquake drills (living in L.A. and all that as a kid) we never once had a shooter drill.

Never.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:49:15pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Sarah Palin too but lie some more will ya Ben if it soothes your conscience. And Romney never disavowed it.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (whom Trump later pardoned) was not a major figure, but his “cold case posse” was sure popular with the GOP

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:50:07pm

Hell all I’m 18 years younger than Ernst and we didn’t. I have cousins around the same age who grew up in much more populated areas than Ernst. I’d ask them but I’m sure their recollection is the same as yours.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:51:20pm

re: #144 Dr Lizardo

I was born in 1969 as well - and while we had earthquake drills (living in L.A. and all that as a kid) we never once had a shooter drill.

Never.

Heck, I still recall duck-and-cover drills

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:51:34pm

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (whom Trump later pardoned) was not a major figure, but his “cold case posse” was sure popular with the GOP

Right. With the exception of McCain, there were few who called the birther bs nonsense. Most did the weasel thing of not denying it outright but there were plenty of people like Joe.

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:52:36pm

Dammit, Bernie, why’d you even accept that endorsement, let alone invite her to introduce you at the Iowa Social?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:53:00pm

re: #134 DangerMan

she meant fire drills /s (not really)

And we’ve had a couple of shootings where the murderers triggered fire alarms to get the people outside and thus gathered and in a place where they were much easier to shoot.

Elementary and high school I went to were 1960s construction. Sort of sprawling single-floor layouts with a lot of fire exit doors that opened directly outside simply by pushing a bar down. They were, with a few exceptions, not usable to come into the building unless someone unlatched the door for you from the inside.

Post-70s energy crisis those buildings were notoriously more expensive to heat since they had a lot of surface area and single pane glass for their volume.

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mmmirele  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:54:12pm

re: #118 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I think AL’s mom took him shooting as a kind of last-resort bonding experience.

My brother and I go shooting for sibling bonding time. We also watch Japanese kaiju and cheesy science fiction movies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:55:16pm

How A German City Found An Absolutely Genius Way Of Handling Neo-Nazis

…in 2014, sponsors agreed to donate money for each step marched by the neo-Nazis, with the cash going to programs that fight Nazis, the Guardian reported at the time.

It was billed as Germany’s most involuntary walkathon.

Instead of greeting the group with protests, they put up banners welcoming them to the “Nazis Against Nazis” walkathon, according to a video on a YouTube channel run by the organization that promoted it…

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:56:33pm

Finally managed to fix my #149.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 1:56:44pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Right. With the exception of McCain, there were few who called the birther bs nonsense. Most did the weasel thing of not denying it outright but there were plenty of people like Joe.

McCain got booed for calling people out on it, nobody else in the Party wanted to risk making that mistake

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:00:17pm

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

McCain got booed for calling people out on it, nobody else in the Party wanted to risk making that mistake

Correct which is why most of them took the Romney route of cowardice.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:00:25pm

Can’t wait to hear about the deficit once a Democrat is elected…

White House officials eyeing payroll tax cut in effort to reverse weakening economy
Americans pay payroll taxes on income up to $132,900, so cutting the payroll tax has remained a popular idea for many lawmakers seeking to deliver savings for middle-income earners and not the wealthiest Americans. But payroll tax cuts can also add dramatically to the deficit and - depending on how they are designed - pull billions of dollars away from Social Security and Medicare.

Trump and top aides have spent the past few days trying to convince the public that the economy is strong and that fears about a recession are misguided. But White House officials quietly have begun scrambling for new ideas to reverse public concerns and boost business confidence.
washingtonpost.com

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mmmirele  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:02:36pm

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heck, I still recall duck-and-cover drills

I remember the one time we did a drill in case “something happened” and we needed to be taken home by a teacher. I was five. I wasn’t much older when I figured out what it was about (shadow of the Cuban Missile Crisis). But it was decades before I figured out we would be nuclear chaff if Port Chicago or Benicia got nuked.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:06:04pm

re: #132 Belafon

Yep. I’ve said this before: Every door at my elementary school opened to the outside. We never had shooter drills. I’m just a little bit older than she is, having been born in November, 1969.

Where’d you go to school? In PA, yeah, we had a bunch of doors, but none of the rooms in either my grade school nor my high school opened to the outside. They opened into hallways. Good thing, too, especially in mid-winter. It was often below freezing!

When I first saw that here in California - school rooms only opening to the outdoors - it was a bit of a shock.

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Cheechako  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:06:33pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 19 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

She’s thinking about the monthly fire drill.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heck, I still recall duck-and-cover drills

We had them in California through the 90s because of earthquakes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:10:59pm

Oh, yeah - and when I was in grade school (1963-1970), there was a fallout shelter sign on the place. And we conducted Fire Drills and “Air Raid Drills”, where we all went out into the hall and leaned against the wall covering out heads with our arms.

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Mescalero09  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:11:03pm
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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:12:40pm

re: #159 Cheechako

She’s thinking about the monthly fire drill.

Nowadays, unfortunately, updated to a monthly live-fire drill…

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:12:49pm

re: #156 Kilroy was here

Can’t wait to hear about the deficit once a Democrat is elected…

White House officials eyeing payroll tax cut in effort to reverse weakening economy
Americans pay payroll taxes on income up to $132,900, so cutting the payroll tax has remained a popular idea for many lawmakers seeking to deliver savings for middle-income earners and not the wealthiest Americans. But payroll tax cuts can also add dramatically to the deficit and - depending on how they are designed - pull billions of dollars away from Social Security and Medicare.

Trump and top aides have spent the past few days trying to convince the public that the economy is strong and that fears about a recession are misguided. But White House officials quietly have begun scrambling for new ideas to reverse public concerns and boost business confidence.
washingtonpost.com

I don’t remember this particular gambit helping much during either the Bush or Obama Administrations.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:13:24pm

“No True Scotsman” pushed Birtherism, apparently.

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:13:38pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Where’d you go to school? In PA, yeah, we had a bunch of doors, but none of the rooms in either my grade school nor my high school opened to the outside. They opened into hallways. Good thing, too, especially in mid-winter. It was often below freezing!

When I first saw that here in California - school rooms only opening to the outdoors - it was a bit of a shock.

I honestly can’t even imagine how they make it work, logistics-wise. Especially for rooms on the opposite side of the building from the courtyard, or does everything open inward but outdoors? And are the lockers exposed to the elements too?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:14:33pm

Gonna call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:14:34pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

So Stephen Miller is saying he the Robot Chicken from Cartoon Network?

Nazi chicken
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:14:38pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

“No True Scotsman” pushed Birtherism, apparently.

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He wasn’t fringe at all. Republican candidates loved courting his support. Ben’s a lying fraud.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:14:49pm

re: #150 Feline Fearless Leader

And we’ve had a couple of shootings where the murderers triggered fire alarms to get the people outside and thus gathered and in a place where they were much easier to shoot.

This was actually the game plan for the Columbine shooters. They rigged pipe bombs to go off in the cafeteria, the hope being the explosions would trigger the fire alarm and they could pick students off as they rushed outside.

Fortunately, Klebold and Harris were shitty bomb makers and the bombs never went off, so they went back inside the school and starting shooting people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:15:08pm

re: #164 KGxvi

I don’t remember this particular gambit helping much during either the Bush or Obama Administrations.

Trump’s “Best economy in the history of our country” requires a payroll tax cut and a 1% drop in the Fed interest rate + quantitative easing to avoid collapse, apparently.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:16:25pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

He wasn’t fringe at all. Republican candidates loved courting his support. Ben’s a lying fraud.

He threatened to run in 2012.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:16:38pm

re: #27 DangerMan

“He’s an odious little grifter and it’s time for him to go.”

— Fox News host Steve Hilton, quoted by The Hill, on National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.

i swear before i read the cite, i thought it was referring to trump

It’s a twofer. Applies to both Trump and LaPierre.

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:17:16pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

This was actually the game plan for the Columbine shooters. They rigged pipe bombs to go off in the cafeteria, the hope being the explosions would trigger the fire alarm and they could pick students off as they rushed outside.

Fortunately, Klebold and Harris were shitty bomb makers and the bombs never went off, so they went back inside the school and starting shooting people.

Not just the fire alarm. The bombs they made should have had sufficient force to tear out the load-bearing walls in the cafeteria, so they weren’t just intended as a distraction. These were no mere dry-ice bombs, which were a common nuisance in Colorado high schools at the time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:17:43pm

re: #166 Chrysicat

I honestly can’t even imagine how they make it work, logistics-wise. Especially for rooms on the opposite side of the building from the courtyard, or does everything open inward but outdoors? And are the lockers exposed to the elements too?

The Younger Boy’s High School had some doors that open into hallways, and some that open into courtyards. His grade school, they all open into courtyards. Same with the Middle School.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:18:21pm

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump’s “Best economy in the history of our country” requires a payroll tax cut and a 1% drop in the Fed interest rate + quantitative easing to avoid collapse, apparently.

The dirty little secret is that almost every time the economy is running well, it’s running on thin ice

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:18:58pm

re: #162 Mescalero09

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Bulldogs can smile?!?

Heck, dogs as a whole are capable?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:19:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:21:25pm

re: #176 KGxvi

The dirty little secret is that almost every time the economy is running well, it’s running on thin ice


Media vita in morte sumus.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:22:18pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

The Younger Boy’s High School had some doors that open into hallways, and some that open into courtyards. His grade school, they all open into courtyards. Same with the Middle School.

My elementary school had 2 doors in each class room. One opened to the parking lot and one opened to the playground.

In junior high pretty much all the classrooms were inside buildings.

In high school we had a mix. There were classic classrooms inside buildings, but we also had portable buildings that all opened to the outside. We had also taken over an elementary school across the street, so all those classrooms opened to the outside. Also, we only had lockers my freshman and sophomore years (they took them out because we had more students than lockers, but didn’t bother giving us home and classroom books) which were all outside as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:23:00pm

re: #176 KGxvi

The dirty little secret is that almost every time the economy is running well, it’s running on thin ice

Exactly. It’s a very delicate, interconnected system, no more sturdy than a house of cards. All it takes is one or two to drop to bring the whole thing down (see also: Subprime mortgage crisis).

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:23:05pm

re: #162 Mescalero09

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Ha ha. So wait the dude says, “first cousin, oh ma gawd”; then she says “and a Nazi!” to some backbeat and the doggo gives them that smile….

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:23:41pm

The scariest thing in our elementary school was the boiler room.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:25:12pm

re: #176 KGxvi

The dirty little secret is that almost every time the economy is running well, it’s running on thin ice

Our lax fiscal oversight laws make it possible for banks and corporations to hide their red figures until they crash and burn. That was certainly the case in 2008, when banks stopped loaning money to each other because they all knew that they were hiding enormous losses and only declaring a fraction of them.

Their logic being “We make $10 billion in losses but are only showing $1.5 billion…those guys are declaring $4 billion in losses, how deep are they really in the hole?”

And we have done almost nothing to correct this cardinal flaw in our financial and accounting systems.

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:26:39pm

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our lax fiscal oversight laws make it possible for banks and corporations to hide their red figures until they crash and burn. That was certainly the case in 2008, when banks stopped loaning money to each other because they all knew that they were hiding enormous losses and only declaring a fraction of them.

Their logic being “We make $10 billion in losses but are only showing $1.5 billion…those guys are declaring $4 billion in losses, how deep are they really in the hole?”

And we have done almost nothing to correct this cardinal flaw in our financial and accounting systems.

What do you mean? We made all the big banks even bigger! Surely that will prevent the banks from ever imploding again!

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:27:37pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Where’d you go to school? In PA, yeah, we had a bunch of doors, but none of the rooms in either my grade school nor my high school opened to the outside. They opened into hallways. Good thing, too, especially in mid-winter. It was often below freezing!

When I first saw that here in California - school rooms only opening to the outdoors - it was a bit of a shock.

I’m from Abilene, TX. It could get cold in the winter, but you didn’t have to walk very far between classrooms. The school was kind of old, and on the poor side of town. It’s closed now, but you can look for Anson Jones elementary in Abilene and find the occasional picture.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:30:31pm

Confused woman jumps aboard sinking ship.

Ex-Undocumented Immigrant Running For Congress As A Pro-Trump Republican

Whitney Williams is running for Congress against U.S. Representative Haley Stevens. Although Williams came to America illegally, she now supports a pro-Trump, anti-immigration agenda, according to Michigan local news site M Live.

Williams came to the U.S. illegally from Taiwan when she was ten-years-old. She lived in America illegally for 16 years before becoming a citizen in 2013 after marrying her American husband.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:30:37pm

re: #166 Chrysicat

I honestly can’t even imagine how they make it work, logistics-wise. Especially for rooms on the opposite side of the building from the courtyard, or does everything open inward but outdoors? And are the lockers exposed to the elements too?

The lockers were in the classrooms, and you went to your home room if you needed something. The school consisted of three rows of classrooms, plus a cafeteria.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:31:14pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. It’s a very delicate, interconnected system, no more sturdy than a house of cards. All it takes is one or two to drop to bring the whole thing down (see also: Subprime mortgage crisis).

But, you know, it’s easy to forget given the depth of the crash in 2008 and the length of the subsequent expansion, but recession/expansion/recession/expansion is how the economy goes. Since I became an adult, there have been 5 cycles. This is the longest expansion, but also it was preceded by the deepest recession. It’s how it works. The swings used to be a lot more violent, before the Fed started regulating them.

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:32:54pm

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Confused woman jumps aboard sinking ship.

Ex-Undocumented Immigrant Running For Congress As A Pro-Trump Republican

Good Lord. At least most of these idiots are only figuratively “pulling up the ladder they used” as they were at least “not illegal” themselves. That’s a different kind of ass.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:33:03pm

re: #128 sagehen

SHE’S LYING.

Joni Ernst was born in 1970; she was 29 when Columbine happened. No way did she ever have to deal with active shooter drills when she was a kid. She’s also too old to have gone through “duck & cover” drills, they stopped doing that before she entered school.

(edited to correct my math error)

She said “all types of drills,” not “all types of shooting drills.”

In Iowa you absolutely would go through school drills: fire drills, tornado drills, &c.

She was trying to conflate with an equivocation fallacy those types of drills with so-called active shooter drills.

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Chrysicat  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:34:31pm

re: #188 Belafon

The lockers were in the classrooms, and you went to your home room if you needed something. The school consisted of three rows of classrooms, plus a cafeteria.

Those sound like miserable passing-period logistics, but then again I occasionally had two classes on the opposite end of the building from my locker in sophomore and junior years, too.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:36:33pm

The story of Donald Trump’s feud with his one true nemesis: Windmills

President Trump truly, emphatically doesn’t like windmills.

He doesn’t like them the way the British feel about the French, the way Aaron Burr felt about Hamilton, the way everyone feels about the New England Patriots.

Except the president’s persistent nemesis is inanimate.

On Tuesday, at a petrochemical complex in natural gas-rich western Pennsylvania, the president was, once again, howling at the wind.

He ranted about “big windmills” that “destroy everybody’s property values, kill all the birds.” They’re unreliable, he claimed, darkening people’s homes. “And then, all of a sudden, it stops; the wind and the televisions go off,” he added. “And your wives and husbands say, ‘Darling, I want to watch Donald Trump on television tonight. But the wind stopped blowing and I can’t watch. There’s no electricity in the house, darling.’ “

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:37:21pm

re: #192 Chrysicat

Those sound like miserable passing-period logistics, but then again I occasionally had two classes on the opposite end of the building from my locker in sophomore and junior years, too.

In our high school, we were encouraged to take all our morning books from our lockers after Home Room in the morning, then swap for the afternoon books after lunch.

Backpacks were non-existent, and only nerds carried book bags.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:37:49pm

re: #88 Belafon

It seems that Joni Ernst is having some trouble answering questions:

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re: #104 Belafon

iowastartingline.com

Ernst also tries to talk about a lack of counselors, but doesn’t seem to be acknowledging being part of the reason there are fewer.

Ernst is also likely full of crap

“This is a very, very difficult time, and we have gone through many of these,” Ernst began. “I remember going through all types of drills as a child growing up.”

She is almost 7 years younger than me. And, I don’t recall doing ‘Duck and Cover’ drills past the 2nd grade. Only thing she likely ever did was damn fire drills and possibly tornado drills. That is nothing like active shooter drills

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:39:51pm

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Confused woman jumps aboard sinking ship.

Ex-Undocumented Immigrant Running For Congress As A Pro-Trump Republican

Remember, Asians are not the BAD kind of immigrant, to most MAGAts. Why, they’re almost white!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:41:16pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yeah, because when the wind stops blowing through the Altamont pass and the wind turbines stop turning, the whole Bay Area goes dark.

Kill me. Kill me now.
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:41:18pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, Asians are not the BAD kind of immigrant, to most MAGAts. Why, they’re almost white!

Especially if you can get one in the mail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:42:46pm

re: #198 Belafon

Especially if you can get one in the mail.

Beautiful Asian Women Seek Friendship, Marriage!

Next to

I Was A 98 Pound Weakling!

and

X-Ray Glasses!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:43:24pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, Asians are not the BAD kind of immigrant, to most MAGAts. Why, they’re almost white!

the more affluent MAGA crowd have significant problems with Asian’s over representation in good colleges

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:43:51pm

re: #139 Citizen K

Good god, Ben is such a shitty weasel. And yet he keeps getting treated like some great prodigal scion of conservatism.

I have never seen a great prodigal scion of conservatism in my fifty-nine years. Not one. Or any other great thinker on conservatism either.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:45:59pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, it’s easy to forget given the depth of the crash in 2008 and the length of the subsequent expansion, but recession/expansion/recession/expansion is how the economy goes. Since I became an adult, there have been 5 cycles. This is the longest expansion, but also it was preceded by the deepest recession. It’s how it works. The swings used to be a lot more violent, before the Fed started regulating them.

I recall recessions in the early 90s, the early 2000s and then of course the great recession. We’ve been in a growth period for about 7 years now, which is certainly getting long in the tooth. I’d be shocked to not a see a new recession in the next several years time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:46:11pm

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. It’s a very delicate, interconnected system, no more sturdy than a house of cards. All it takes is one or two to drop to bring the whole thing down (see also: Subprime mortgage crisis).

because it is based on maximum profitability and not on stability or sustainability

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KGxvi  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:49:07pm

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because it is based on maximum profitability and not on stability or sustainability

This is, I think, a byproduct of treating capital gains as a different category of income from wages. It creates an incentive structure for corporate executives (many of whom have stock options or are otherwise invested in the company) to increase the short term gains while paying little heed to the long term ramifications. That is also the reason why, I think, that privately held companies operate so much differently than publicly traded ones

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:49:08pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“And your wives and husbands say, ‘Darling, I want to watch Donald Trump on television tonight.

hahahahahahahaha

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:51:11pm

re: #156 Kilroy was here

The Kansas Economic Miracle applied to the whole country.

This goes along with that letter several senators (including mine) signed to Steve Mnuchin saying he should reduce corporate tax rates to 0% (not understanding corporate tax rates, taxes in general, government in general since the Treasury Secretary does not have that authority, &c).

Fortunately the House is in Democratic hands, so any change to tax rates lowering them more are dead-on-arrival.

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jaunte  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:53:23pm

Trumpflix and chill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 2:54:12pm

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

I recall recessions in the early 90s, the early 2000s and then of course the great recession. We’ve been in a growth period for about 7 years now, which is certainly getting long in the tooth. I’d be shocked to not a see a new recession in the next several years time.

Ten years, actually. Since June 2009, per NBER, the ones who determine the peaks and troughs - retrospectively, of course! It took about 6 months for it to start to hit the unemployment rate, in early 2010.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:03:09pm

Susan Sarandon is trending on Twitter.

And what is is second place right now?

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:05:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:12:09pm

Tonight there are a few dozen more young college-educated voters in my area of operation than there were this morning. There will be more tomorrow. And next week.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:12:23pm

re: #204 KGxvi

This is, I think, a byproduct of treating capital gains as a different category of income from wages. It creates an incentive structure for corporate executives (many of whom have stock options or are otherwise invested in the company) to increase the short term gains while paying little heed to the long term ramifications. That is also the reason why, I think, that privately held companies operate so much differently than publicly traded ones

Remember that limited liability corporations exist because we have created a body of laws to allow them to limit their losses to the amount that is invested in them. That also encourages investors to suck as much profit out of them as they can while minimizing investments.

They are legal persons, but unlike living, breathing people, they exist only because we allow them to exist in that form.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:13:57pm

No amount. He’s a coward.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:14:39pm

Look At This Lying Liar:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:20:41pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And people will still make excuses for why they need to remain on Facebook: Stay in contact with relatives (because photographs, telephone calls, and letters have become obsolete and services like Skype don’t exist), I curate my feed to keep out political stuff (but Facebook adverts can’t be kept out).

At some point, silence (or excuse making) becomes complicity.

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William Lewis  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:21:48pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, Asians are not the BAD kind of immigrant, to most MAGAts. Why, they’re almost white!

Let’s not go anywhere near the sexist fantasies that the fascists have about submissive Asian women…. < bleah! >

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:22:32pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And people will still make excuses for why they need to remain on Facebook: Stay in contact with relatives (because photographs, telephone calls, and letters have become obsolete and services like Skype don’t exist), I curate my feed to keep out political stuff (but Facebook adverts can’t be kept out).

At some point, silence (or excuse making) becomes complicity.

Tough beans. A huge amount of my life is connected by the Book of Faces in ways that cannot be duplicated. I like it and I want it and I think we will find a way out of this. Meanwhile, I love all of my 2,700 “friends.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:23:05pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And people will still make excuses for why they need to remain on Facebook: Stay in contact with relatives (because photographs, telephone calls, and letters have become obsolete and services like Skype don’t exist), I curate my feed to keep out political stuff (but Facebook adverts can’t be kept out).

At some point, silence (or excuse making) becomes complicity.

I generally keep out of politics and even block people who get too carried away with the stuff

And yeah, contact with far-flung friends and relatives, and it is good for organizing and announcing gigs and sessions, which is what brought me there in the first place ten years ago.

But in general, I post nothing there unless I am okay with the notion that the whole world might see it

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:23:49pm

re: #180 KGxvi

My elementary school had 2 doors in each class room. One opened to the parking lot and one opened to the playground.

In junior high pretty much all the classrooms were inside buildings.

In high school we had a mix. There were classic classrooms inside buildings, but we also had portable buildings that all opened to the outside. We had also taken over an elementary school across the street, so all those classrooms opened to the outside. Also, we only had lockers my freshman and sophomore years (they took them out because we had more students than lockers, but didn’t bother giving us home and classroom books) which were all outside as well.

Except the school I went to in Brazil and the white-segregated kindergarten and first grade I went to in Maryland, all schools had classrooms opening on hallways and no exit to the outside. Michigan is pretty cold.

It is cheaper to design buildings which have no hallways though (no wasted space for hallways).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:25:39pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Except the school I went to in Brazil and the white-segregated kindergarten and first grade I went to in Maryland, all schools had classrooms opening on hallways and no exit to the outside. Michigan is pretty cold.

I do not recall any classrooms that exited directly outside in Gary, Indiana in the 60’s and 70’s. Neither do I recall any mass shootings, despite the burgeoning crime rate there.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:25:44pm

F*ck you, you insect!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:26:44pm

re: #222 DodgerFan1988

If only Eric Garner complied with police he would still be alive today.

Since when is there a death penalty for “disobeying the police”?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:28:23pm

Lunch today: A package of Knorr mushroom-flavoured noodles (we don’t buy Knorr products unless they are on close-out sales because $$$) with a can of mushrooms added to add some mushroom flavour.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:28:52pm

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Since when is there a death penalty for “disobeying the police”?

If you’re not a conservative.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:31:23pm

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Confused woman jumps aboard sinking ship.

Ex-Undocumented Immigrant Running For Congress As A Pro-Trump Republican

She should thank Obama that she’s a citizen then, correct?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:32:37pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Susan Sarandon is trending on Twitter.

And what is is second place right now?

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Never underestimate the power of cats of the internet.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:39:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:40:56pm

re: #215 The Pie Overlord!

Look At This Lying Liar:

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$5000????

What the fuckety fuck?

My tax refund went down by $300 this past year.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:41:26pm

re: #205 jaunte

“And your wives and husbands say, ‘Darling, I want to watch Donald Trump on television tonight.

hahahahahahahaha

It would never occur to them that it might be a sign from God.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:42:53pm

Conservatives donating to Daniel Pantaleo, the murderer who killed Eric Garner.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:48:38pm

The Armed Forces Service Medal is the non-combat parallel of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal which is normally awarded for combat operations and other combat support missions.

The AFSM may be awarded to service members who, on or after June 1, 1992:

- Participate, or have participated, as members of U.S. military units, in a designated U.S. military operation deemed to be a significant activity.

- Encounter no foreign armed opposition or imminent hostile action.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:48:53pm

re: #218 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Tough beans. A huge amount of my life is connected by the Book of Faces in ways that cannot be duplicated. I like it and I want it and I think we will find a way out of this. Meanwhile, I love all of my 2,700 “friends.”

Mine is organised through E-mail lists, running a Yahoo Group’s forum on behalf of an international organisation, telephone calls, letters, postcards, &c.

I don’t have 2,700 people in my E-mail list, but I do have a few hundred.

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I generally keep out of politics and even block people who get too carried away with the stuff

And yeah, contact with far-flung friends and relatives, and it is good for organizing and announcing gigs and sessions, which is what brought me there in the first place ten years ago.

But in general, I post nothing there unless I am okay with the notion that the whole world might see it

I stay in contact with far-flung friends and relatives through letters and telephone calls (and Skype for my son).

Back when I was performing in Florida and Georgia, I announced performances through E-mail (the only people on the list were people who put themselves on the list, not people Faceborg shoved at me).

I am not on my computer all the time, but my telephone will ring twenty-four hours a day if someone needs to get ahold of me. My answering machine will record it if I am not at home.

I don’t understand the loyalty to a company which clearly promotes fascism in the name of profit.

When I was directly exposed to Wal*Mart’s cruel employee practices in Oklahoma from my dying neighbour (long story), I quit doing business with that company and never looked back. The only power I have with a corporation is how I choose to spend my money. Facebook and Twitter are no different, which is why I never signed up for them.

The state tried to make me sign up for Twitter when I became the village public information officer. I said “no.” Funny that, the town nor the state did not remove me from my post.

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:50:11pm

re: #232 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The Armed Forces Service Medal is the non-combat parallel of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal which is normally awarded for combat operations and other combat support missions.

The AFSM may be awarded to service members who, on or after June 1, 1992:

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I’d be embarrassed to wear that if I was in the military.

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:51:17pm

re: #218 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Tough beans. A huge amount of my life is connected by the Book of Faces in ways that cannot be duplicated. I like it and I want it and I think we will find a way out of this. Meanwhile, I love all of my 2,700 “friends.”

If that’s not a joke… That’s really sad.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 3:53:03pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:00:08pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And people will still make excuses for why they need to remain on Facebook: Stay in contact with relatives (because photographs, telephone calls, and letters have become obsolete and services like Skype don’t exist), I curate my feed to keep out political stuff (but Facebook adverts can’t be kept out).

At some point, silence (or excuse making) becomes complicity.

I really do not understand what this huge brouhaha is all about.
Neither Facebook nor Twitter make a dime off of me.
I never click on advertisements in either place, much less even look at them in passing on the rare occasions they show up.

And I still write actual letters that I put in actual envelopes that I stick on an actual postage stamp.
And I have an old fashioned landline and *GASP* make actual telephone calls from time to time.

JFC, the purity tests just get so tiresome.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:00:28pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:02:46pm

re: #232 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The Armed Forces Service Medal is the non-combat parallel of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal which is normally awarded for combat operations and other combat support missions.

The AFSM may be awarded to service members who, on or after June 1, 1992:

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re: #234 MsJ

I’d be embarrassed to wear that if I was in the military.

To be fair, the medal was awarded when Bush sent National Guard troops to the border during Operation Jump Start 2006-08

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:07:33pm

re: #234 MsJ

I’d be embarrassed to wear that if I was in the military.

Unfortunately in dress uniform you are out-of-uniform (and subject to sanction) if you do not wear all the medals and ribbons you are awarded.

You can be embarrassed all you like, but you will wear it.

I’m embarrassed that the DOD is caving so easily to Pumpkin Pinochet’s demands. I’m pretty sure someone in the White House who never was in the military thought this up (cough, Stephen Miller).

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garzooma  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:08:22pm

re: #236 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]You can’t name a single major elected Republican official during Obama’s presidency who challenged the legitimacy of his presidency.

Are there any major elected Democratic official challenging the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency? It would make my day. Carter’s statement was nice, but he hasn’t been any kind of official for a number of decades.

Any candidates who receive massive, illegal help from a hostile foreign government should have their legitimacy challenged. Especially when the hostile government informs them that they are going to receive this illegal help and they don’t call the FBI.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:09:04pm

A Payroll tax cut? WTF?? What short-sighted bosco bullshit is this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:11:32pm

re: #242 Dave In Austin

A Payroll tax cut? WTF?? What short-sighted bosco bullshit is this?

Another big surprise for taxpayers at filing time when withholding is just not quite enough to cover the bill…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:14:33pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really do not understand what this huge brouhaha is all about.
Neither Facebook nor Twitter make a dime off of me.
I never click on advertisements in either place, much less even look at them in passing on the rare occasions they show up.

And I still write actual letters that I put in actual envelopes that I stick on an actual postage stamp.
And I have an old fashioned landline and *GASP* make actual telephone calls from time to time.

JFC, the purity tests just get so tiresome.

I don’t know about Twitter, but Facebook sells personal information. That has been documented over and over again. So they make money off you.

The most recent case they didn’t sell it, they gave it away so they can get more data on you.

Facebook Didn’t Sell Your Data; It Gave It Away (The Atlantic, December 19, 2018).

In exchange for even more data about you from Amazon, Netflix, Spotify, Microsoft, and others

As for a purity test, well, I don’t do business with fascists or the fascist-curious. That’s kind of a bright line with me. Not all purity tests are bad. I don’t do business with people who have “liberal hunting license” stickers on their cars either.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:18:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:18:10pm

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I don’t know about Twitter, but Facebook sells personal information. That has been documented over and over again. So they make money off you.

The most recent case they didn’t sell it, they gave it away so they can get more data on you.

Facebook Didn’t Sell Your Data; It Gave It Away (The Atlantic, December 19, 2018).

As for a purity test, well, I don’t do business with fascists or the fascist-curious. That’s kind of a bright line with me. Not all purity tests are bad. I don’t do business with people who have “liberal hunting license” stickers on their cars either.

Well, if Facebook “sold” my information, it was worthless.
FB doesn’t have my phone number, my address, my birthdate….nothing.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:18:32pm

The Secret Origins of Birtherism bullspotting.com

TIMELINE
Feb. 29, 2008:
- Dave N posts a legal hypothetical about Obama’s birth on the law blog The Volokh Conspiracy, asking what would be the legal implications if Obama had been born in Kenya and then immediately brought by his mother to the U.S.

March 1, 2008:
- ‘FARS’ posts at FreeRepublic that he heard a rumor that Obama was born overseas, and was brought immediately by his mother to the U.S. and registered as a Hawaiian birth.

March 4, 2008:
- ‘Alan Peters’ posts on his blog Ruthless Roundup that Obama was allegedly born in Kenya but registered as a Hawaiian birth.

April 3-4, 2008:
- ‘Alan Peters’ reposts the viral “Obama Laundry List of Lies” created by the website The Audacity of Hypocrisy, and edits it to add the Kenyan birth rumor.

April 20, 2008:
- After being reposted on various other websites starting at least as early as April 11, Alan Peters’ version of the Laundry List is posted on the blog Wake Up America, where the Kenyan birth rumor is actively discussed in the comments.

April 21, 2008:
- An e-mail inquiring about a rumor that Obama was secretly born in Kenya is posted to the snopes.com message board.

June 3, 2008:
- Obama clinches the Democratic nomination for President.

June 9, 2008:
- National Review’s Jim Geraghty cites the Snopes post when suggesting that Obama could debunk rumors of a Kenyan birth by releasing his birth certificate.

June 10, 2008:
- Skepticism over Obama’s birthplace and demands for his birth certificate receive their first stories at websites like Atlas Shrugs and WorldNetDaily, which would go on to become some of the biggest cheerleaders for Birtherism.

June 12, 2008:
- The Obama campaign releases a scan of Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate on its fightthesmears.com website.

- Loren Collins is an Atlanta attorney and the author of Bullspotting: Finding Facts in the Age of Misinformation.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:21:59pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’ve got my birthday. And that’s it. I don’t even use my real name on Facebook.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:22:09pm

CNN is reporting that Epstein signed a will two days before his death. He leaves it all to his brother.

msn.com

Court papers list assets of about $577 million. Court papers indicate Epstein’s brother, Mark, is the only heir.

I hope his brother collects nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:22:45pm

Looks like I’m destined to be marked as complicit with evilness.

Oh well.

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:24:57pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, if Facebook “sold” my information, it was worthless.
FB doesn’t have my phone number, my address, my birthdate….nothing.

My problem with Facebook is that it’s absolutely evil.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:25:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:25:52pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, if Facebook “sold” my information, it was worthless.
FB doesn’t have my phone number, my address, my birthdate….nothing.

They have your IP. Unless you’re like me where your IP is seven hundred miles away, there is a lot they can build from that. (That’s why I get targeted adverts on YouTube for businesses in Jefferson City, Missouri.)

What is an IP address and what can it reveal about you? (Business Insider, 2015).

They cite the case of a Canadian government office to find out just what sorts of things could be found with just an IP address. Turns out, it’s a lot.

There has been a lot of talk about Facebook rodent-copulation by foreign actors. How do you suppose they did that?

Back to that Atlantic article above:

Microsoft’s search engine, Bing, got Facebook users’ friends, whether or not the users agreed to grant that access. Netflix and Spotify got access to users’ messages. Amazon got names and contact information. And, of course, Facebook got things in return. The Times states that Facebook used data from other companies, including Amazon, in its “People You May Know” feature, which has long attracted attention for its mysterious suggestions.

But while the story recalls the explosive Cambridge Analytica episode, it’s much more mundane. These were not bad actors, but merely actors playing exactly the role that Facebook wanted them to play. The goals of these integrations were not nefarious, at least from what we currently know, even if the idea that Spotify’s engineers would have access to your Facebook message data is probably not intuitive to most people.

When people say “privacy is dead” in reference to the Internet, this is what they mean. They do not care enough about their privacy to protect it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:26:07pm

re: #251 MsJ

My problem with Facebook is that it’s absolutely evil.

Looks like I am, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:26:50pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹🎃

LOL

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:27:06pm

I got tired of being cooped up and I went to the new Eleven City Deli in Los Angeles and had an open face Reuben!

So good!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:28:34pm

My IP (whenever it shows up as looking for my location) is a hundred miles or more away from TheBackwoods.

They have no freaking clue where I live.

And I really do not care.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:29:05pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Unfortunately in dress uniform you are out-of-uniform (and subject to sanction) if you do not wear all the medals and ribbons you are awarded.

You can be embarrassed all you like, but you will wear it.

I’m embarrassed that the DOD is caving so easily to Pumpkin Pinochet’s demands. I’m pretty sure someone in the White House who never was in the military thought this up (cough, Stephen Miller).

That is not necessarily so.
There is no requirement in the US Army to wear all awards and badges in any uniform

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:33:27pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like I am, too.

Hardly. You know I don’t think that.

But Facebook? Evil. Out and out 666 evil.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:34:58pm

re: #258 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is not necessarily so.
There is no requirement in the US Army to wear all awards and badges in any uniform

I would add that organizations can require the wear of unit citations, as long as the decorations are provided for free.
I never wore my Air Assault badge the entire time I was in the 101st, because they ordered me to attend the course

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:35:07pm

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I don’t know about Twitter, but Facebook sells personal information. That has been documented over and over again. So they make money off you.

The most recent case they didn’t sell it, they gave it away so they can get more data on you.

Facebook Didn’t Sell Your Data; It Gave It Away (The Atlantic, December 19, 2018).

As for a purity test, well, I don’t do business with fascists or the fascist-curious. That’s kind of a bright line with me. Not all purity tests are bad. I don’t do business with people who have “liberal hunting license” stickers on their cars either.

Half your village plus two voter for a Nazi to replace you on the village council. According to you, only eight people in your village voted for Hillary Clinton. You do business with fascists and fascist-enablers every day. You make sure their water is drinkable and meets government standards, and you continue to do volunteer work for your community.

And many of your friendly village fascists know your name and where you live, and you’ve expressed worry about being unsafe in your current surroundings on numerous occasions.

If you’ve subscribed to or joined any online service, your personal information has been collected and sold and cross-referenced many times over. That genie is long out of the bottle.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:36:26pm
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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:37:00pm

This was just a couple of days ago.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:37:41pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

WHOA! Mine’s 400 miles away!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:38:52pm

re: #256 Joe Bacon 🌹

I got tired of being cooped up and I went to the new Eleven City Deli in Los Angeles and had an open face Reuben!

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Didn’t it fall off the plate, turned like that?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:40:00pm

re: #259 MsJ

Hardly. You know I don’t think that.

But Facebook? Evil. Out and out 666 evil.

I am complicit because I will not leave FB.

So it has been decreed…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:40:21pm

Hey, even my iPhone swooned when I took the pic!

Oh, it was so so good!

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MsJ  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:40:32pm

re: #262 gocart mozart

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Mmmm… Smell those supreme beings, what all maleness should be?

🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:41:07pm

There’s an excellent graphic novel series, “The Books of Magic,” wherein a young wizard is taken over by a cynical little demon. The wizard lives in a false delusion; the demon has him believing that while he lives in a cardboard box in an alley, that it’s actually a mansion with a wine cellar.

I think about that a lot these days.

Magical thinking is all that is left to poor, uneducated rural white men who feel abandoned. They won’t give up their victimhood dreams without a real fight.
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Ming5000  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:41:43pm

re: #262 gocart mozart

jeepers, couldn’t they play D&D or join a frat?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:43:08pm

re: #268 MsJ

Mmmm… Smell those supreme beings, what all maleness should be?

🙄🙄🙄🙄

Eau de Olde Spice?😏

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:44:11pm

re: #222 DodgerFan1988

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F*ck you, you insect!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:48:32pm

re: #258 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is not necessarily so.
There is no requirement in the US Army to wear all awards and badges in any uniform

Thank you for setting me straight on that. I went digging around the graveyard which is Army Regulations, and came up with this.

I imagine the Navy is similar, but I’m not going to dig around the Navy Regulations, which could sink a battleship if put on it in print form.

Chapter 22
Wear of Decorations, Service Medals, Badges, Unit Awards, and Appurtenances
22-1. General
This chapter covers decorations, service medals, badges, unit awards and appurtenances, both U.S. and foreign,
authorized for wear on Army uniforms. The term “award” is an all-inclusive term, covering any decoration, service
medal, badge, ribbon, or appurtenance bestowed on an individual or unit. The term “ribbon” is an all-inclusive term
covering that portion of the suspension ribbon of a service medal or decoration that is worn instead of the service
medal or decoration.
22-2. Authorization
a. Commanders may require the wear of authorized awards on the following occasions:
(1) Parades, reviews, inspections, and funerals.
(2) Ceremonial and social occasions.
b. Unless directed by a commander IAW paragraph 22-2(a), authorized awards are worn at the option of the wearer,
when not prohibited, during normal duty hours. Personnel also may wear authorized awards on appropriate uniforms
when off duty. Personnel are encouraged to wear authorized awards on the service, dress, and mess uniforms.
c. Soldiers may wear authorized awards on the Class B version of the service uniform during duty hours and when
off duty, at their option.
22-3. When wearing awards is prohibited
Wearing awards is prohibited in the following circumstances:
a. On any uniform other than those authorized in this regulation. (See 18 USC 704 for the penalty for unauthorized
wear of the uniform.)
b. When serving a sentence of confinement.
c. When wearing civilian clothing, except for civilian awards, lapel buttons, or rosettes intended for wear with
civilian clothing. Soldiers may wear miniature medals on formal civilian attire at formal social functions, when wearing
the Army uniform is inappropriate or not authorized.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:48:33pm

re: #269 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

There’s an excellent graphic novel series, “The Books of Magic,” wherein a young wizard is taken over by a cynical little demon. The wizard lives in a false delusion; the demon has him believing that while he lives in a cardboard box in an alley, that it’s actually a mansion with a wine cellar.

I think about that a lot these days.

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Been saying this but Trump has a lower polling ceiling than most but a higher floor than most too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:49:24pm

I love twitter:

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:50:03pm

I’m sure this went swimmingly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:51:40pm

Narrator’s Voice: They both believe trump is a moron.

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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:52:40pm

re: #269 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

There’s an excellent graphic novel series, “The Books of Magic,” wherein a young wizard is taken over by a cynical little demon. The wizard lives in a false delusion; the demon has him believing that while he lives in a cardboard box in an alley, that it’s actually a mansion with a wine cellar.

I think about that a lot these days.

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This was something most people were predicting way back in ‘17, that whatever promises he failed to meet would be blamed on somebody else by ‘20. In fact, I’ll predict now that we will be in the midst of a full-blown recession by next November…and MAGAts will be going around, swearing up and down that the economy has never been stronger and anybody who says otherwise is part of a “conspiracy.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:52:58pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:53:09pm

re: #276 teleskiguy

I’m sure this went swimmingly.

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He’s bringing world leaders together…in agreeing that he’s an utter idiot.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:55:12pm

A TOUGH SITUATION, GREAT CONVERSATIONS, BIGLY!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:55:53pm

re: #281 teleskiguy

A TOUGH SITUATION, GREAT CONVERSATIONS, BIGLY!

He always does this. Says nothing with his word salads.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 4:59:32pm

I wonder if they discussed hair styles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:02:06pm

Unfortunately we got a crop of future Proud Boys caught in the act…

High school students in southern California appeared to give the Nazi salute in disturbing video footage taken at a sports team awards ceremony.

A video purportedly shows around 10 members of the boys’ water polo team at Pacifica high school in Garden Grove giving the salute while facing a figure at a lectern who is saluting and singing.

According to the Daily Beast, which published the video, the incident occurred before an awards ceremony late last year. The website reported that the song is an obscure Nazi marching song from the second world war.

The video was reportedly shared on Instagram by a student, who allegedly also posted lyrics to the song in his bio on the social network which he later removed.

theguardian.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:02:07pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are some pretty downer Twitter accounts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:03:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:04:38pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:04:56pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹🎃

There are some pretty downer Twitter accounts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:06:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:08:20pm

and Bernie isn’t a Democrat, so what’s your point Susan?

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:08:22pm

What. The. Fuck.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:09:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:10:27pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and Bernie isn’t a Democrat, so what’s your point Susan?

All I need to know about Susan is she supported Edwards over HRC and Obama in 2008. Edwards by far had the most hawkish stance on Iraq. Susan never misses a chance to shit on qualified women.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:10:51pm

re: #291 teleskiguy

What. The. Fuck.

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He’s getting more nutty.

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b.d.  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:11:43pm

re: #291 teleskiguy

What. The. Fuck.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:12:16pm

I went to the guinea pig hashtag on Twitter and it’s being swarmed by anti-vaxxers. They’re spouting nonsense that vaccines are tested on guinea pigs, so guinea pig owners should avoid vaccines.

a) I thought Twitter said they would get rid of anti-vaxxers? (That’s right, they lied.)
b) Human vaccines aren’t tested on guinea pigs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:12:31pm

chicken wars

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A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:13:13pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

I use Facebook for communication with my son on the autism spectrum. Because that’s how he’s comfortable communicating what is going on so I don’t worry. Like right now he’s with a carload of fellow dudes in Nashville seeing Iron Maiden. Instead of texting and calling me in front of his buddies, he can post things there and I know that he’s fine. I see no other online way to do that that works for him. And I know I’m not the only one who has a similar thing happening with their older kids on the spectrum. So it works and I am not asking him to figure out something else.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:13:34pm

Rod Serling would have rejected this out of hand.

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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:13:35pm

re: #283 teleskiguy

I wonder if they discussed hair styles.

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Unfortunately for Boris and Natasha, Nancy is already on record as putting the kibosh on any US/UK deal if Brexit violates the Good Friday Agreement, which is what Boris intends to do whether or not the EU agrees to it.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:14:24pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:14:50pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and Bernie isn’t a Democrat, so what’s your point Susan?

Oh, he’s ran as a Democrat in the past…and then kicked the party in the nuts once he won the nomination by refusing to accept and instead running as an “independent,” thus neutering the VI DNC with regularity.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:14:58pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:15:25pm

re: #291 teleskiguy

What. The. Fuck.

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Seems that, like so much else with Donny, all the babbling about mental illness was more projection…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:15:51pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

I use Facebook for communication with my son on the autism spectrum. Because that’s how he’s comfortable communicating what is going on so I don’t worry. Like right now he’s with a carload of fellow dudes in Nashville seeing Iron Maiden. Instead of texting and calling me in front of his buddies, he can post things there and I know that he’s fine. I see no other online way to do that that works for him. And I know I’m not the only one who has a similar thing happening with their older kids on the spectrum. So it works and I am not asking him to figure out something else.

I lurked on this argument because my feelings are known by now but FB helps me as well. I have a huge extended family including some who live overseas. FB for all its warts keeps that possible and without it I never would have met my cousins last summer and you know through being friends with me on FB how much that trip meant to me.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:17:40pm

re: #304 Targetpractice

Seems that, like so much else with Donny, all the babbling about mental illness was more projection…

Yeah I hear him talk about mental illness and the phrase physician heal thyself applies.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:18:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:20:29pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:20:32pm

Somewhere in Hell’s 4th subbasement, Richard Nixon looks on at Donny’s tweets and rejoices, as he no longer looks like the nuttiest fucker to ever hold the office.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:20:42pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

chicken wars

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:22:32pm

re: #309 Targetpractice

Somewhere in Hell’s 4th subbasement, Richard Nixon looks on at Donny’s tweets and rejoices, as he no longer looks like the nuttiest fucker to ever hold the office.

He’s like a Frankenstein’s monster of the worst traits of his Republican predecessors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:23:01pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:23:08pm

See, if he wasn’t president and a guy who had a “modeling” company that imported Eastern European teenagers and locking them into a company-store economy before leaning on them to do escorting, that might be slightly funny.

But in context, it means that he won’t do it to Greenland because Goldland will be a open-slag pit mine next to a permanent Centralia-like coal mine fire. And possibly everything concave will be a hog lagoon until, XHIBIT-like there’s a hog lagoon in somebody’s hog lagoon…

…next to the failed casino.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:25:01pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:27:38pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:28:13pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Again, we’re reminded that the media cannot say the word “lie” no matter how obvious it is.

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William Lewis  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:30:00pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

If you drive anywhere, even in an electric car, you are beholden to mega corporations for oil as fuel, lubricants, plastics and etc. You can not be 100% green and drive anything to anywhere.

Facebook is no different. Nor is Twitter. Neither company is anything good. But if you wish to accomplish something, sometimes you have to dance with that devil.

Now have some sympathy and some tea because puritopia doesn’t exist. Instead we do the best we can wrestling with our choice of devil.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:31:28pm
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:32:56pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We don’t need a recession to get rid of Trump. He’s just going to add one more thing to the list.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:34:33pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:38:35pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:39:30pm

re: #318 William Lewis

If you drive anywhere, even in an electric car, you are beholden to mega corporations for oil as fuel, lubricants, plastics and etc. You can not be 100% green and drive anything to anywhere.

Facebook is no different. Nor is Twitter. Neither company is anything good. But if you wish to accomplish something, sometimes you have to dance with that devil.

Now have some sympathy and some tea because puritopia doesn’t exist. Instead we do the best we can wrestling with our choice of devil.

We all make do with the set of circumstances we have. When I joined FB, it wasn’t even available to all universities. It was and still is a quick way to get in touch with people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:41:16pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:41:58pm

Imagine that.Branson store owner, who said rebel flag doesn’t represent racism, has ties to KKK


Could be worse. She might have posed in one of those rebel bikinis (though obviously not the one in the photo.)
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:42:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:42:44pm

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Imagine that.Branson store owner, who said rebel flag doesn’t represent racism, has ties to KKK

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Could be worse. She might have posed in one of those rebel bikinis (though obviously not the one in the photo.)

Four years old but yes

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:43:14pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As I said, after her Dad, she is the most loathesome Trump of all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:46:19pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:50:05pm

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Imagine that.Branson store owner, who said rebel flag doesn’t represent racism, has ties to KKK

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Could be worse. She might have posed in one of those rebel bikinis (though obviously not the one in the photo.)

Don’t tell me…… Her name is Dixie.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:56:02pm

I’ll say something about Facebook. A little over a week ago I posted this to my Facebook page.

My posts on this tire fire of a website have been depressing as of late. Well, bad things have happened in the month of August, and I don’t want the memory of those who are not with us anymore to fade. And things like opioid addiction and suicide have affected me directly in the very recent past. I myself have been suicidal, requiring law enforcement to do a welfare check on me… last August.

August is a weird month, is what I’m saying, I guess. The month my mother was born. The month Brendan Bayliss from Umphrey’s McGee was born. The month Jerry Garcia was born, and died. The month the atomic bombs were dropped on Japan. The month World War One started…

The responses were amazing.

I am proud to say that you are a friend. Very human and able to take a punch.

[…]

They are ALL wierd months brother, but without wierd months, what would we have. We put our heads down and toil through the murk and mire, to arrive on the other side, stronger, more resolved to succeed. You are a treasure upon this earth. My life is better because I know you. We can not appreciate all that is amazing about this journey, without suffering its disappointments. It takes heat to forge steel. Love you my friend.

[…]

August isn’t the best month here either. Hugs 🤗 and keep fighting dude. You’re loved.

[…]

I met you a long time ago, haven’t seen you in a long time and still think about you and love you regardless of the physical distance. Just the other day, someone asked about Gondie Boy <3. The demons in your head are mean, be nice to yourself by getting out of your own head. Get outside and move, the simple visual change helps. I know, I have dealt with anxiety/depression all my life. You are too tough, love you Charlie.

[…]

Your awesomeness on 9/12/01 is my go to story when recalling college! Stay up buddy. We should meet at a show or something

[…]

Howdy crazy guy!! We miss ya! 😉🧘🏻‍♂️

[…]

Charlie, good and bad happens everyday. We must try to find joy in whatever we can. No ones life is perfect, everyone deals with something. Know you have a friend here that cares God bless!

[…]

Love you like a brother after that fantastic voyage . It definitely changed my perspective on rock and roll. We will not stop rocking!

[…]

Thanks for posting. Sometimes in life you go through things that are not to plan - your experience as you continue your journey, and honesty like this, will only serve to make the rest of us stronger and better. I trust your mind and strength of character old friend.

Whatever that is, it’s not evil.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 5:59:06pm

Personal announcement. I swear by Macs now, I’ll never buy another PC ever again. Oy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:03:39pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:03:41pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Personal announcement. I swear by Macs now, I’ll never buy another PC ever again. Oy!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:04:30pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:08:39pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of the more baffling aspects to this research is that no indication is made about how the searches were conducted. Google’s search results are specific to users, and there’s no indication in the summary (mentions of using incognito mode, for example) that any effort was made to return unweighed results from the search engine. Nor is there information provided about who participated in the study. Collecting results from a group of well-to-do city dwellers, for example, might help explain any “bias.”

This is more problematic because while the research points to thousands of search results that were analyzed, only 95 people actually provided responses to the study. Meaning if the results were driven by the identities of those individuals, the variation in the pool of results was actually 95. Oh, and of that group? Only 21 were undecided. If the 2.6 million figure derives from that group alone, the value of that figure is almost nil.

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:08:39pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bill Maher has said he’d like a recession to hurt Trump; but I can’t imagine anyone ever calling Bill Maher a “journalist”.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:08:44pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:14:53pm

Doesn’t matter. They will still blame their job loss on “illegals” and vote Republicans everytime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:16:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:18:18pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:18:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:19:13pm

re: #318 William Lewis

If you drive anywhere, even in an electric car, you are beholden to mega corporations for oil as fuel, lubricants, plastics and etc. You can not be 100% green and drive anything to anywhere.

Facebook is no different. Nor is Twitter. Neither company is anything good. But if you wish to accomplish something, sometimes you have to dance with that devil.

Now have some sympathy and some tea because puritopia doesn’t exist. Instead we do the best we can wrestling with our choice of devil.

Except Facebook and Twitter are not necessary. I don’t drive Facebook to the store or Twitter to the water lab. I suppose i could use a bicycle, but those are sixteen and sixty miles away respectively. And bicycle manufacture also requires using fossil fuels to create a bicycle.

Until such time as we have alternative transportation methods, I’m pretty much stuck with a car and gasoline. I can however combine trips to reduce gasoline usage, &c. “100% green” is a red herring since no technology, even the Stone Age, is 100% green.

Sure there’s funny stuff on Twitter and I’ll occasionally post some of it here when I run across it. I don’t need an account for that. (Facebook accounts frequently lock out people without Facebook accounts, so I assume they have nothing to say to me.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:19:47pm
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Weaselone  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:21:33pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

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danarchy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:22:14pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Personal announcement. I swear by Macs now, I’ll never buy another PC ever again. Oy!

I’ve gone back and forth. They’re a tool. for some things a OSX is the right tool, for some things Windows is the right tool and for some things Linux is the right tool, and on rare occasions a chromebook may even be the right tool. What I find people doing is comparing their experience on a $2000 Mac with $600 PC and deciding Macs are better.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:22:25pm

re: #345 Weaselone

Because wearing the flag on fucking footwear is totally respectful.

How come Tomi didn’t enlist instead of doing what she did which was shill for Glenn Beck?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:23:38pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:27:02pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Personal announcement. I swear by Macs now, I’ll never buy another PC ever again. Oy!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:27:20pm

re: #342 gocart mozart

Wingnuts weighing in on that thread with “Jew haters” and such … remind me again who is it who have been planning or actually shooting up synagogues?

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:28:39pm

re: #346 danarchy

Most PCs I’ve owned definitely cost more than $600.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:29:53pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Wingnuts weighing in on that thread with “Jew haters” and such … remind me again who is it who have been planning or actually shooting up synagogues?

Because “Jew Haters” always join Jews in prayer

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:29:59pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Wingnuts weighing in on that thread with “Jew haters” and such … remind me again who is it who have been planning or actually shooting up synagogues?

People who had no problem with Pat Robertson being giddy that Bibi’s predecessor had a stroke. Eventually Israel will elect someone that won’t be beloved by our Fundies and their Antisemitic masks will fall off.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:30:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:30:01pm

re: #345 Weaselone

Because wearing the flag on fucking footwear is totally respectful.

Something US Flag Code prohibition of using the flag as apparel

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:30:08pm

re: #349 The Pie Overlord!

This induced a genuine belly laugh. Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:31:37pm

re: #352 The Pie Overlord!

Because “Jew Haters” always join Jews in prayer

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Acting like the only issue Jews care about is Israel is a form of Antisemitism imo.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:32:25pm

Something I saw at my parents house this weekend.

I never met Mike, died before I was born. Including this one I’ve maybe seen a half dozen pictures of my grandfather.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:34:24pm

re: #352 The Pie Overlord!

Because “Jew Haters” always join Jews in prayer

Yup.

To wingnuts as I can see it, people (even Jews) who don’t support the Israeli government are “no true Jews” (similar to the Christian trope).

Courtesy of Haze Grey Cruise Lines, I’ve been to Israel several times. Everyone I met there (including an accidental trip to a kibbutz on a bus which left me stranded there) was nice to me, whether Jewish, Muslim, or Christian. (Folks at the kibbutz gave me a ride back to Tel Aviv.)

In every country I’ve been people have been nice. Governments don’t really reflect “nice.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:35:07pm

re: #358 teleskiguy

Something I saw at my parents house this weekend.

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I never met Mike, died before I was born. Including this one I’ve maybe seen a half dozen pictures of my grandfather.

I’m getting my niece into old photos. Her favorites are the ones of my parents at their wedding. I never knew my father’s father. Always a bit of a disappointment but I’ve learned more about him from a grandchild’s perspective in recent years from my older cousins. What kinda dog was Panda? Cute name.

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William Lewis  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:36:12pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Oh, I forgot. Only you are correct and able to determine what is needed by everyone. It must be hard to be that perfect in puritopia; I couldn’t say since I live in this imperfect world instead.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:37:31pm
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A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:37:36pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Sorry it took me awhile to get back to you, life called. But yes, I was thinking of you when I wrote that too. There’s been several of my kid’s friends on the spectrum that do similar things via Facebook because direct conversations can cause anxiety triggers and communication issues, body language and so on. Plus, if you make a mistake, you can correct it before you hit send. Facebook irritates the shit outta me, but it has a place in my life, for now anyways.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:39:00pm

re: #362 Belafon

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I like the idea of adult patriotism.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:42:00pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

It’s weird. When my grandmother Marion died Mary Pat took all the photos and family keepsakes, left my mother with very little. I guess she’s still mad my mother left the Catholic Church at age 18 and hightailed it as quick as she could to Denver when she was 20 (they grew up in Sioux Falls, SD, where that picture was taken). My mother was actually a little shocked that her sister sent her this postcard with this picture on it. Families are weird, man.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:42:23pm

re: #361 William Lewis

Oh, I forgot. Only you are correct and able to determine what is needed by everyone. It must be hard to be that perfect in puritopia; I couldn’t say since I live in this imperfect world instead.

The world just couldn’t make any contact at all before Facebook and Twitter came along. /s

So “I don’t want to support white supremacist fascist enablers” becomes “puritopia.”

Most people in the USA own cell phones, from which they can access Facebook or Twitter, or they could punch in a telephone number and talk directly. They could send an E-mail if they want to send a message to a bunch of people at a time.

I really don’t understand how this is a “purotopia.” One thing I can note though is since almost no one around here is on Facebook or Twitter, they didn’t get to mainline Russian propaganda from those sites (though they got it from FOX).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:44:14pm

re: #363 A Mom Anon

Sorry it took me awhile to get back to you, life called. But yes, I was thinking of you when I wrote that too. There’s been several of my kid’s friends on the spectrum that do similar things via Facebook because direct conversations can cause anxiety triggers and communication issues, body language and so on. Plus, if you make a mistake, you can correct it before you hit send. Facebook irritates the shit outta me, but it has a place in my life, for now anyways.

Yeah chat clients help me communicate better and find my voice better. I’m nowhere near as articulate speaking in real life but with this sort of thing, I can think and better articulate. TBH I see Facebook like I do other media, it can be abused and used well. One of the things I’m most proud of is my family history group. I’ve connected descendants of my Great Grandfather’s siblings and him himself and we’re creating a legacy for the future. I couldn’t have done that w/o FB. I mean if one doesn’t want to use it, cool. I don’t tweet out of choice but that’s fine.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:44:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:45:35pm

re: #368 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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My brother spotted one of those the other day. JFC.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:46:07pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Oh, and Panda? No idea what kind of dog that is. But now I know why my mother calls my younger sister Panda. Heh! Origin story for everything!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:46:54pm

re: #365 teleskiguy

It’s weird. When my grandmother Marion died Mary Pat took all the photos and family keepsakes, left my mother with very little. I guess she’s still mad my mother left the Catholic Church at age 18 and hightailed it as quick as she could to Denver when she was 20 (they grew up in Sioux Falls, SD, where that picture was taken). My mother was actually a little shocked that her sister sent her this postcard with this picture on it. Families are weird, man.

Yeah they are. My other grandfather had a brother who left the family and went west. I’m hoping to find someone who knew him but that’s increasingly unlikely.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:48:44pm
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:54:21pm

re: #372 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Kind of like how the US government hosted Al Capone.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:54:22pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Yeah chat clients help me communicate better and find my voice better. I’m nowhere near as articulate speaking in real life but with this sort of thing, I can think and better articulate. TBH I see Facebook like I do other media, it can be abused and used well. One of the things I’m most proud of is my family history group. I’ve connected descendants of my Great Grandfather’s siblings and him himself and we’re creating a legacy for the future. I couldn’t have done that w/o FB. I mean if one doesn’t want to use it, cool. I don’t tweet out of choice but that’s fine.

My wife did a similar thing with her family by setting up a Website. That’s connected a whole bunch of people in her family.

I’m going to leave off the Facebook thing for now. Some people are going to use it, and some aren’t. Those of us who won’t use it on principle seem to be living in a “puritopia.”

I suppose I’m in a “puritopia” since I won’t shop at Wal*Mart either.

Behind the hide bar, the reason I won’t shop at Wal*Mart (caution for a story about death):

When my wife and I lived in Ponca City, Oklahoma, our next-door neighbours were a Tonkawa native family. In that house was a grandfather, his daughter, and one six-year-old granddaughter.

The daughter worked at Wal*Mart on night shift. My wife and I made it clear if the granddaughter ever needed any help she could come and ask for it day or night, as her grandfather was dying.

One morning at about 2AM he died. The girl came over to ask for help.

We first called the hospice their family was using, then I called the local Wal*Mart to speak to her mother. That store told me I was not permitted to speak to workers during their shift, and I had to call the Bentonville, Ark. office to have them give permission to let her off work to deal with her child and dead father lying in her house.

I called the number in Bentonville they gave me, and their answer was basically, tough shit for her. You’ve got her daughter, you deal with it.

Her mother didn’t find out her father had died until she came home in the morning, while her daughter was a nervous wreck at our house. His body was taken out later that morning.

The Tonkawa Nation invited my wife and I to his traditional native funeral, as we’d stood up for one of their members (the granddaughter) when she needed help.

So, Wal*Mart doesn’t care if one of their worker’s parents literally dies while they are on the job, but I should overlook that because “lower prices” or I am a puritopian. Yeah, naw.

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retired cynic  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:57:31pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Personal announcement. I swear by Macs now, I’ll never buy another PC ever again. Oy!

Welcome to the clan!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 6:59:35pm

re: #372 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:03:56pm

re: #376 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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I can see why that take is amusing, and Facebook has a lot to answer for, but in this case, unless workers actually participated in the set up, this would be akin to blaming the phone company for people planning a bank heist.

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sagehen  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:05:44pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anybody remember the West Wing episode with the south-on-top maps? And CJ was freaked out by it?

This picture freaks me out too.

It’s got southeast at the top, north pointing to the lower left corner…

(but I can see my building! cool!)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:06:19pm

For all the talk about how the hateful pricks use social media and FB, I would like to contend as someone who regularly looks and sometimes posts on the SPLC feed that the counters to those use it too.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:09:43pm
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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:10:16pm

re: #378 sagehen

Anybody remember the West Wing episode with the south-on-top maps? And CJ was freaked out by it?

This picture freaks me out too.

It’s got southeast at the top, north pointing to the lower left corner…

(but I can see my building! cool!)

If they’d only rotated the ISS in the proper direction. //

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:11:11pm

re: #374 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife did a similar thing with her family by setting up a Website. That’s connected a whole bunch of people in her family.

I’m going to leave off the Facebook thing for now. Some people are going to use it, and some aren’t. Those of us who won’t use it on principle seem to be living in a “puritopia.”

I suppose I’m in a “puritopia” since I won’t shop at Wal*Mart either.

Behind the hide bar, the reason I won’t shop at Wal*Mart (caution for a story about death):

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Okay, your wife has some web development skills. I can’t develop== my own website and getting your own website costs some money to first buy the url. I don’t have that in both skills or time. FB allowed me to set me up my group for free. Ultimately yeah it’s a choice. And FWIW I didn’t say you were living in a puritopia so you can stop acting like I was the one who said you were. I think you need to understand that for many people in my generation and even others that platforms like FB are vital to how we communicate. I still use the Phone too but as I said, I’m able to slow down and articulate my thoughts better on social media plaforms I can’t do that on the phone.

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Jay C  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:11:35pm

re: #364 Belafon

I like the idea of adult patriotism.

I do too: but looking at the comment thread on the NYTMag’s Twitter for the 1619 Project, we’re still quite a ways away from getting there. Outside of the n-word, virtually every racist stereotype and trite canard was tossed out by one commenter or another. And almost all of the negative commentary on the Project seemed to take it for granted that it’s sole purpose was to “tear America down”. Like, they apparently believe, every other attempt to examine the racial history of this country in any sort of objective manner. Either that, or presenting a (bogus) case for “reparations”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:16:01pm

re: #383 Jay C

I do too: but looking at the comment thread on the NYTMag’s Twitter for the 1619 Project, we’re still quite a ways away from getting there. Outside of the n-word, virtually every racist stereotype and trite canard was tossed out by one commenter or another. And almost all of the negative commentary on the Project seemed to take it for granted that it’s sole purpose was to “tear America down”. Like, they apparently believe, every other attempt to examine the racial history of this country in any sort of objective manner. Either that, or presenting a (bogus) case for “reparations”.

There really is no escaping the legacy of slavery in our country. I just am amazed at the elaborate lengths white people go to deny it. We fought a long Civil War over it. It defintiely caused Jim Crow. It shaped our culture too. In fact until the abolition of slavery in 1865 more presidents than not owned slaves including 8 of the first ten- the only two who did not were the Adams father and son.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:21:22pm

re: #374 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife did a similar thing with her family by setting up a Website. That’s connected a whole bunch of people in her family.

I’m going to leave off the Facebook thing for now. Some people are going to use it, and some aren’t. Those of us who won’t use it on principle seem to be living in a “puritopia.”

I suppose I’m in a “puritopia” since I won’t shop at Wal*Mart either.

Behind the hide bar, the reason I won’t shop at Wal*Mart (caution for a story about death):

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Again, your personal experiences are not universal.

My brother worked for Wal-Mart for almost eight years, before quitting in disgust at the incompetence and malfeasance of his local management and corporate office in Bentonville.

When our father died in January 2015, I had absolutely no problem reaching him at work. I sent a message through Facebook Messenger that he read on his smartphone at work. He took several days off work and flew from New Mexico to Chesapeake for the funeral.

I never had a problem with being allowed to talk to my brother while he was at work, or his immediate supervisors or the cashiers he oversaw as CSM or the security staff.

I did get my brother sent to the corporate reeducation room when I bluntly said, in a conversation about an employee who had moved on that the store he had moved on to “was union.”

After that, I would hum “Look for the union label” when passing through the clothing section while waiting for him to get off work.

When passing through the grocery aisles and seeing empty shelves, I would adopt stereotypical Russian accent and mock “Soviet Walmart.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:27:31pm

re: #348 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:32:16pm

re: #385 A Three Hour Tour

Again, your personal experiences are not universal.

My brother worked for Wal-Mart for almost eight years, before quitting in disgust at the incompetence and malfeasance of his local management and corporate office in Bentonville.

When our father died in January 2015, I had absolutely no problem reaching him at work. I sent a message through Facebook Messenger that he read on his smartphone at work. Took several days off work and flew from New Mexico to Chesapeake for the funeral.

I never had a problem with being allowed to talk to my brother while he was at work, or his immediate ssupervisors or the cashiers he oversaw as CSM or the security staff.

I did get my brother sent to the corporate reeducation room when I bluntly said, in a conversation about an employee who has moved on that the store he had moved on to “was union.”

After that, I would hum “Look for the union label” when passing through the clothing section while waiting for him to get off work.

When passing through the grocery aisles and seeing empty shelves, I would adopt stereotypical Russian accent and mock “Soviet Walmart.”

That’s true, no one’s anecdotes apply to everyone.

Your anecdote doesn’t trump mine however. A dead man in the next house, his granddaughter in my house, and the corporate headquarters of Wal*Mart saying “tough shit” was all I needed, and I’ve never spent a penny there since.

I can’t say about your particular situation with your brother, but as a supervisor I imagine he had more latitude than a stockroom worker.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:34:53pm

Does anyone use ham radio to communicate with their relatives?

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Weaselone  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:35:19pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Something US Flag Code prohibition of using the flag as apparel

Usual excuse is that it’s not made out of an actual US flag so it doesn’t violate the code an is in fact a display of patriotism and love of country.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:35:54pm

re: #388 Belafon

Does anyone use ham radio to communicate with their relatives?

Ouija board :). And the occasional dream.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:36:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:37:09pm

re: #391 Charles Johnson

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Catzilla.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:38:55pm

re: #388 Belafon

Does anyone use ham radio to communicate with their relatives?

LOL. I use it to communicate with other people, but no one in my family other than me has a ham license.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:40:42pm

re: #387 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That’s true, no one’s anecdotes apply to everyone.

Your anecdote doesn’t trump mine however. A dead man in the next house, his granddaughter in my house, and the corporate headquarters of Wal*Mart saying “tough shit” was all I needed, and I’ve never spent a penny there since.

I can’t say about your particular situation with your brother, but as a supervisor I imagine he had more latitude than a stockroom worker.

I could talk to him (and did) when he was an unloader and pallette mover, too.

Local stores are often run by two-bit petty morons, and corporate in Bentonville by inbred idiots.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:44:50pm

re: #389 Weaselone

Usual excuse is that it’s not made out of an actual US flag so it doesn’t violate the code an is in fact a display of patriotism and love of country.

And they are either uninformed about that, or plain lying.

4 U.S. Code § 8. Respect for flag

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

A flag patch would also be considered under the Flag Code as representative of a living country. There is no place in the Flag Code which says “shoes are fine.”

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:46:38pm

re: #389 Weaselone

Usual excuse is that it’s not made out of an actual US flag so it doesn’t violate the code an is in fact a display of patriotism and love of country.

That’s not why she’s displaying it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:48:49pm

re: #396 Belafon

That’s not why she’s displaying it.

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:49:10pm

re: #396 Belafon

That’s not why she’s displaying it.

Owning the libs with fake patriotism.

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danarchy  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:49:12pm

re: #366 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So “I don’t want to support white supremacist fascist enablers” becomes “puritopia.”

Most people in the USA own cell phones, from which they can access Facebook or Twitter, or they could punch in a telephone number and talk directly. They could send an E-mail if they want to send a message to a bunch of people at a time.
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So white supremacists use cell phones and email too. Should email hosting platforms like gmail, yahoo, outlook etc scan emails for white supremacist content? They already index it all for search purposes and to filter spam. How much harder would it be to filter objectionable racist content? Do you refuse to use all web services because they may also benefit people you don’t like?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:51:34pm

US Fires INF-Busting Missile, First Test Since Treaty Signed (goes to Breaking Defense)

The test puts the nail in the coffin of the INF Treaty, which the US withdrew from earlier this month.

WASHINGTON: The US took its first post-INF shot just 17 days after the America pulled out of the arms control treaty, launching a Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missile from a California island.

The missile flew more than 500 kilometers, according to a defense official, marking the first time since 1987 that the US has demonstrated the capability to launch a ground-based cruise missile between 500 and 5,000 kilometers — ranges previously banned by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treaty with Russia. With the treaty’s Aug. 2 demise, the cruise missile launch is now fair game. The missile launched from San Nicolas island in Southern California, flew 500 kilometers and struck back near where It launched.

The fact that the Navy/SCO test was able to hit a land target, as opposed to falling in the sea, shows at least some work had been done previously on the Tomahawk variant in order to get it in the air just 16 days after the US pulled out of the 32 year-old INF treaty.

(more)

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Dread Pirate  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:55:16pm

re: #400 Anymouse 🌹🎃

US Fires INF-Busting Missile, First Test Since Treaty Signed (goes to Breaking Defense)

The test puts the nail in the coffin of the INF Treaty, which the US withdrew from earlier this month.

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The misslile doesn’t care if it’s launched from air, sea, or land. Navigation and targeting are the same.

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gocart mozart  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:55:46pm

I don’t understand this. I claim Trump is the bastard child of a nazi and this is somehow an attack on “Christians”?

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:58:00pm

What. Is. This. Shit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 7:59:59pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

I don’t understand this. I claim Trump is the bastard child of a nazi and this is somehow an attack on “Christians”?

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You went after Trump therefore you hate Christians. They really have this delusion Trump is a Christian.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:02:35pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

I don’t understand this. I claim Trump is the bastard child of a nazi and this is somehow an attack on “Christians”?

The faith must be defended not only against blasphemy and apostasy, but humour as well.

The sequence is a) God selected Donald Trump to lead the country (not the voters). The Bible directs Christians to support their leaders (we’ll skip the obvious hypocrisy of not supporting Barack Obama).

b) Anyone who attacks God’s anointed leader is therefore attacking the faith itself.

You see this all the time if you engage in counter-apologetics. Attacking some Protestant preacher for sexual assaults or paying off so-called pool boys is “attacking Christianity.” Objecting to a position stated in the Bible (slavery is good, and here’s the rules for it) is “attacking Christianity.”

You made the mistake of making a joke about God’s anointed leader. That is blasphemy to a large portion of Christians (and not just fundamentalists).

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:02:39pm

Stupidest fuckin’ president, ever, in the history of the United States.

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Belafon  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:04:25pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:04:56pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

Stupidest fuckin’ president, ever, in the history of the United States.

He’s one of the most stupid people I’ve ever seen period.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:07:41pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

I don’t understand this. I claim Trump is the bastard child of a nazi and this is somehow an attack on “Christians”?

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Chances are its a bad faith reading, trying to assume the position of victimhood and thus rendering your perspective—even if you’re joking—invalid.

But it also represents that [Christian = Trump supporter] because the tweet author counts themselves as both and cannot conceive of either group separately because they have fused those identities to their ego in unhealthy ways. As such “Christian” as used simply does not mean “Christian” in any dictionary sense, and is effectively a synonym for “people like me, that are a priori Good and Right because they are like me, and those people uncritically support Trump and you are not allowed to laugh at him.”

So while it’s a dismissal, it’s also a tell.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:12:26pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

I don’t understand this. I claim Trump is the bastard child of a nazi and this is somehow an attack on “Christians”?

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She retweets Michael Tracy. Case closed.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:14:36pm

re: #410 I Would Prefer Not To

She retweets Michael Tracy. Case closed.

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It really is something how the Greenwaldian left goes all out to deny the Russian shit but then again they like being willing ratfucks for Vlad since they’re morons. I don’t trust their judgment at all.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:15:29pm

re: #409 The Ghost of a Flea

It also conflates “what I believe” with “who I am.”

If I assert I am a Christian because I believe the claims of the Bible, then anyone who challenges the claims of the book are making a proxy attack on me (not what I believe).

If I believe Trump was sent by God, and someone challenges that, then it is a proxy attack on the believer (not the belief).

In exit polling, nearly all Christian denominations supported Trump, not just fundamentalist ones. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, &c mostly did not, but all of us together are a minority which could not overcome Christian Trump supporters.

A YouTuber named DarkMatter2525 did a video about this phenomenon of believers turning “what they believe” into “who they are,” and why a challenge to the belief is perceived as an attack on the person.

I can’t name the number of people who have told me “without my faith in God I would be lost” or other similar statements.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:42:32pm

re: #412 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What interests me is the opposite: that people transmute who they are—the inchoate wants, skewed perspectives, and gut level prejudices—into what they nominally believe—the language and framing of an ideology they view as legitimate and true. Hence people who really believe in God, but God conveniently tells them that what they want is always okay.

My running crude statement about the cults line cross is the blatancy—“God wants me to fuck your wife, Bob”—with which the authority holders attach holy legitimacy to their whims…but the same process is available to and occurs within organized religion frameworks where there’s no cult of personality, and laity can and do participate in the process of hollowing out what is supposedly holy and True, and filling the empty skin with completely pedestrian lust and venality that they will now treat as holy and True.

Which I honestly think explains US right wing evangelical Christianity to a T.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2019 • 8:43:11pm

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