Caution, Virtuoso at Work: Cellist Kian Soltani, NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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This week felt like that scene in “2000 Maniacs” where they roll people down a big hill in barrels lined with spikes, except it went on for years. But here, now, in this moment, we have some truly beautiful playing by cello maestro Kian Soltani, accompanied by Christopher Schmitt on piano.

Watch Kian Soltani play “Popper: Hungarian Rhapsody”, “Schubert (arr. Soltani): ‘Nacht und Träume’” and “Soltani: Persian Fire Dance” at the Tiny Desk.

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Aug. 16, 2019 | Tom Huizenga — It’s not every day someone walks into our NPR Music offices and unpacks an instrument made in 1680. And yet Kian Soltani, the 27-year-old cellist who plays with the authority and poetry of someone twice his age, isn’t exactly fazed by his rare Giovanni Grancino cello, which produces large, luminous tones. (He also plays a Stradivarius.)

And if you think the notion of a cello recital isn’t exactly sexy or thrilling, just take a look at Soltani; he radiates joy and ingenuity as he performs three pieces that offer virtuosity, sweet lyricism and fire.

The Hungarian Rhapsody, by the late 19th century cellist and composer David Popper, traces its inspiration to similarly titled pieces by Franz Liszt and Johannes Brahms, but showcases a number of hot-dogging tricks for the cello, including stratospheric high notes, flamboyant slides and a specific high-velocity bouncing of the bow called sautillé. Soltani nails all of them with nonchalant elegance, backed with companionable accompaniment by pianist Christopher Schmitt.

To prove he can make his instrument truly sing, Soltani worked up his own arrangement of “Nacht und Träume” (Night and Dreams) by Franz Schubert, replacing the human voice with his cello’s warm, intimate vocalizing. And in the Persian Fire Dance, Soltani’s own composition, flavors from his Iranian roots – drones and spiky dance rhythms – commingle with percussive ornaments.

It all adds up to well-rounded, technically astute playing from a young cellist whose career is ascending in full flight.

SET LIST
Popper: Hungarian Rhapsody
Schubert (arr. Soltani): “Nacht und Träume”
Soltani: Persian Fire Dance

MUSICIANS
Kian Soltani: cello; Christopher Schmitt: piano

CREDITS
Producers: Tom Huizenga, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineers: Josh Rogosin, James Willetts; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kimani Oletu; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Production Assistant: Adelaide Sandstrom; Photo: Amr Alfiky/NPR

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236 comments
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:57:27pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:06:59pm

Ky Rep. Massie is getting slaughtered in the comments:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:09:25pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:10:42pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

Ky Rep. Massie is getting slaughtered in the comments:

I’m sick and tired of all these Russian trolls in our government.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:15:22pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:15:55pm

This country will never come back together as long as Fox is still on the air.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:18:44pm

Ode to the Cheeto King

“Nasty Man” by Joan Baez

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:18:54pm

re: #6 Skip Intro

This country will never come back together as long as Fox is still on the air.

Nope. Never.

We can survive right wing blogs but not Fox and now not Sinclair either.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:19:46pm

Today on Fox: the Democratic primaries are going to end up with Sanders and Warren. Democrats are turning away from moderates and will only select radicals.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:19:54pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

Ky Rep. Massie is getting slaughtered in the comments:

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I’m guessing Thomas didn’t watch the whole interview, because Byrne also said that Don Jr met with her for an hour at the NRA convention in 2015 and that was tasked with helping to blackmail Hillary.

Most people might just dismiss this shit as the ravings of a guy who’s up to his eyeballs in controversy and trying to regain something of his reputation, but Thomas can’t see past the opportunity to help out his ex-girlfriend one last time.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:20:33pm

re: #9 Belafon

Today on Fox: the Democratic primaries are going to end up with Sanders and Warren. Democrats are turning away from moderates and will only select radicals.

Only on Faux is this considered a bad thing.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:22:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:22:31pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:23:59pm

This is super cheesy, but I love it, and I’m sharing it here because hey, we need this content. The Ski vs. Snowboard hatchet gets buried for real.

Facebook Video

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:28:48pm

I should point out that the oft-spoke advice is as true today as it was when first uttered earlier this week: No matter who wins the nomination, Faux will dub them a “radical” who can’t win compared to the “moderate” Trump. Even if Joe prevails, his middle-of-the-road proposals such as adding a public option to the ACA and reaching out to “good Republicans” will be seen as the worst sort of “far-left radical” views that America simply won’t put up with.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:32:17pm

I am dreading the senate race in my state. There’s going to be so much goddamned dark money flowing through. The disinformation is going to be intense.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:38:04pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

I am dreading the senate race in my state. There’s going to be so much goddamned dark money flowing through. The disinformation is going to be intense.

So, a typical race in Texas.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:40:08pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:53:11pm

Recently deceased billionaire and libertarian political donor David H. Koch was reportedly still camped on the edge of the river Styx this morning, unable to reach the afterlife after refusing to pay the required one-cent fee to access the ferry.

“I don’t see why there needs to be a blanket fee for everybody when we could simply allow the market to determine a fair price,” said Koch, shivering over a small fire at the edge of the ancient river that separates the mortal world from the realm in which all human souls rest together in eternity, free from pain and worry. “I see a lot of profit to be made here.”

Koch also voiced his displeasure at the state of the boat itself, a flat wooden ferry pushed along by Charon, the boatman whose sole purpose is to guide humans through the transition.

“This is what you get when you let the government in,” Koch said, pointing at the old boat where Charon waited to reunite Koch’s spirit with those of his beloved friends and family. “Open this market up, you’re going to get some investors down here and turn this whole operation around. I would be happy to pay a million or two for a nice yacht ride.”

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving pig.

thehardtimes.net

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:08:18pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I should point out that the oft-spoke advice is as true today as it was when first uttered earlier this week: No matter who wins the nomination, Faux will dub them a “radical” who can’t win compared to the “moderate” Trump. Even if Joe prevails, his middle-of-the-road proposals such as adding a public option to the ACA and reaching out to “good Republicans” will be seen as the worst sort of “far-left radical” views that America simply won’t put up with.

Exactly

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:12:23pm

I listened to the first podcast episode of the 1619 Project. This is gonna be good. It’s a lot of uncomfortable truths but ones we need to hear.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:12:54pm

He’s back on the fucking Twitterz.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:13:48pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

He’s back on the fucking Twitterz.

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Agh

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:15:44pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:18:01pm

The Dems didn’t choose this Fed, that is all on Trump and the Republicans.

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marcusgorillius  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:19:10pm

re: #24 gocart mozart

Wasn’t this guy boning the Russian spy?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:20:27pm

re: #25 Dread Pirate

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The Dems didn’t choose this Fed, that is all on Trump and the Republicans.

Powell was Trumps choice you dumbass. In fact Yehlen was the first Dem appointed Fed Chair since Volkner but you’re too busy gaslighting the marks.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:21:17pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:22:26pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

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He forgot to say, “Energize.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:22:51pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

He forgot to say, “Energize.”

“Mr. Scott, one to beam up.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:24:25pm

re: #7 Amory Blaine

Lyrics to “Nasty Man” (2017):

Here’s a little song
about a man gone wrong
while building up his evil empire.
And after months of ifs and buts
the papers got the guts
to call The Man Of The Year a liar,
to call the Man of the Year a liar.

Hustlin’ and bustlin’
across the big green lawn
stampin’ through the famous rose garden,
but every little rose
turned up its pretty nose,
saying “You owe the earth a pardon,”
saying “You owe the earth a pardon.”

Fumblin’ and bumblin’
through the halls at night,
turn every light switch on,
searching for the room
where you used to be the groom
but she’s packed all her jewelry
and gone.
Yeah, she’s scooped up all her jewelry
and gone.

Well, the former residents
and Mrs. President
left you corn and lima beans and tomatoes.
You said “Rip ‘em all out.
They’ll only give you gout
and that’s unbecoming for a future dictator,
and that’s unbecoming for a future dictator.

And you’re gonna build a wall,
the big-liest wall,
the beautifulliest wall around our borders
but here’s what I think,
you better talk to a shrink,
‘cause you got serious psychological disorders.
You’ve got dangerous pathological disorders.

Well, that’s my little song
about a man gone wrong.
He’s nasty from his head to his feet.
When the dirt on this man
finally hits the fan
and no one gives a damn about his tweets,
he’ll be finally and forever obsolete.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:25:52pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:28:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:30:48pm

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

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He’s such a miserable bastard.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:31:26pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:34:32pm

TV is everything with this small little man.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:36:52pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

He’s such a miserable bastard.

Come on, doesn’t everyone remember how marriage was destroyed in 2015?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:37:01pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

TV is everything with this small little man.

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Well if he’s so worried about ratings. He’s never gotten above 50% approval once as President.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:37:16pm

re: #37 Ace-o-aces

Come on, doesn’t everyone remember how marriage was destroyed in 2015?

Under President Obama. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:37:39pm

re: #37 Ace-o-aces

Come on, doesn’t everyone remember how marriage was destroyed in 2015?

I guess Ben’s was since he spends more time harassing college kids than with his wife.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:38:39pm

re: #37 Ace-o-aces

Come on, doesn’t everyone remember how marriage was destroyed in 2015?

You should have seen all the churches that burned to the ground at the ski areas. It was wicked.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:44:41pm
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sagehen  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:55:28pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I listened to the first podcast episode of the 1619 Project. This is gonna be good. It’s a lot of uncomfortable truths but ones we need to hear.

is it behind the NYT paywall?

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:56:31pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:58:19pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 6:59:07pm
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sagehen  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:01:41pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

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you have to include the original anti-trump protest song…

written by Woody Guthrie, about Fred Trump, in 1953:

Woody Guthrie — I Ain’t Got No Home/Old Man Trump by the Missin’ Cousins

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:07:55pm

re: #43 sagehen

is it behind the NYT paywall?

It’s on the Apple Podcasts.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:15:32pm

re: #47 sagehen

Duh. Include it or do I have too?

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:15:44pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:20:19pm

This exists

Audio of Woody Guthrie singing about Fred Trump

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sagehen  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:21:05pm

re: #49 gocart mozart

Duh. Include it or do I have too?

I’m not on Twitter.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:21:32pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:27:29pm

re: #52 sagehen

I did it

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:29:17pm

re: #53 Dread Pirate

Mr. Santorum, a word to the wise. Dopefish’s First Law of the Internet: The Internet is Forever.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:29:31pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:30:19pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

Ky Rep. Massie is getting slaughtered in the comments:

Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:33:24pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:34:29pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:34:41pm

This is a good ad

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:36:24pm

re: #60 gocart mozart

This is a good ad

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Yeah terrific.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 23, 2019 • 7:40:30pm

Priest Says Fat Women Won’t Go To Heaven, Woman Knocks Him Off The Stage

In the church, a priest is expected to perform ceremonies and give sermons to the congregation. The sermons usually address varied religious and scriptural topics. But it’s easy to get carried away when you’re preaching to a large gathering - like this priest in Brazil.

We’ll tell you what he said, but what’s more important is what happened to him after - a woman jumped on stage and proceeded to knock the said priest off the platform.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:03:47pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:05:38pm

re: #63 gocart mozart

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The Plot against America was a great novel. A little too close to the truth.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:06:03pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

They’re put up for auction.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:07:44pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:08:24pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:09:51pm

Time to offer another prayer for the Chosen (by Putin) One:

Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalm 109:8

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:19:47pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:22:08pm

Friday night break, I’m in the mood for a different sound tonight.
Maybe a slightly eclectic playlist. Contemporary af. R rated for excessive violins.

Iframe

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:34:23pm
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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:42:05pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

“Why won’t those other countries bow to my might? I’m the successful businessman, and I am President of the United States.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:42:50pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

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“We’ll see what happens”?

We’ve seen what happens, Donny: Photo ops and love letters. You’re such a cheap date that he didn’t even have to spring for alcohol before you started sucking him off.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:51:10pm

I’ve got a foggy notion he’ll do it again.

The Velvet Underground - Foggy Notion (Audio)

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:52:06pm

facebook.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 8:55:30pm
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ozharas  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:07:41pm

One of our local nitwit members of parliament went to Uluru to climb it.

Uluru is going to be permanently closed to climbing from October by the traditional owners and various right wing people think that’s not ok.

She made it up 40 metres, and freaked out and had to be helped down.

Hilarious stuff.

msn.com

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:11:32pm

I’m pretty sure I said this would happen as soon as the announcement came out that she’d met the donor threshold:

According to the criteria that the DNC set forth, 2020 candidates must meet the donor threshold of 130,000 unique donors and 2 percent in 4 DNC qualified polls. Gabbard has exceeded the donor threshold but needs two polls to meet the debate criteria.

The Gabbard team is citing what they describe as several irregularities in the selection and timing of the DNC sponsored polls. The campaign points out “Gabbard has exceeded 2% support in 26 polls, but only two of them are on the DNC’s “certified” list.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:15:29pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:19:55pm

re: #79 Belafon

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:23:48pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m sure Susan Sarandon will jump to the Greens and vote for her when Bernie doesn’t win the Democratic Nomination.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:26:32pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Recently deceased billionaire and libertarian political donor David H. Koch was reportedly still camped on the edge of the river Styx this morning, unable to reach the afterlife after refusing to pay the required one-cent fee to access the ferry.

“I don’t see why there needs to be a blanket fee for everybody when we could simply allow the market to determine a fair price,” said Koch, shivering over a small fire at the edge of the ancient river that separates the mortal world from the realm in which all human souls rest together in eternity, free from pain and worry. “I see a lot of profit to be made here.”
May he burn in Hell for eternity, if only such a place existed.
Koch also voiced his displeasure at the state of the boat itself, a flat wooden ferry pushed along by Charon, the boatman whose sole purpose is to guide humans through the transition.

“This is what you get when you let the government in,” Koch said, pointing at the old boat where Charon waited to reunite Koch’s spirit with those of his beloved friends and family. “Open this market up, you’re going to get some investors down here and turn this whole operation around. I would be happy to pay a million or two for a nice yacht ride.”

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving pig.

thehardtimes.net

May he burn in Hell forever.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:30:26pm

re: #37 Ace-o-aces

Come on, doesn’t everyone remember how marriage was destroyed in 2015?

Yep, marriage is something only same sex couples do now; at least they are mostly fabulous!

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 9:30:52pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

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His brother, duh. He now controls $84 billion dollars from his lair in Kansas.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:05:31pm

re: #84 austin_blue

His brother, duh. He now controls $84 billion dollars from his lair in Kansas.

And despite his brother’s death, nothing will change.

The Koch’s have forever changed American politics, showing that vast sums of money pumped into shadow organizations to move the needle of public perception is, indeed, profitable. They were, and are, fantastically successful in buying Republican politicians to toe their Libertarian/anti-regulation line, and it has helped them make bucketloads of money.

American oligarchy at its very best. We are becoming Russia.

Dog help us.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:07:10pm
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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:10:09pm

re: #86 gocart mozart

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Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:20:10pm

This is great

The USA Singers - Kavanaugh

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:33:33pm

re: #88 gocart mozart

This is great

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Video

‘Tis. Bless the Celts. They pull no punches.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:34:35pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

No, the survival rate is low, not zero. Also, the reason it’s so low is that 80% of cases aren’t diagnosed before stage four, not because it’s inherently “worse” than other cancers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:35:14pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

Steve Jobs lived with the disease for 8 years. The story I always heard (am not sure if it’s been confirmed) was during his illness he spent some time on alternative medicine instead of conventional treatments and this may have led to his death.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:35:39pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

Jobs was also notorious for his fasting, lack of good personal hygiene and poor eating habits. Despite being stupidly fucking rich, he didn’t take good care of himself.

Something tells me RBG remembers to eat her greens.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:36:18pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

Steve Jobs lived with the disease for 8 years. The story I always heard (am not sure if it’s been confirmed) was during his illness he spent some time on alternative medicine instead of conventional treatments and this may have led to his death.

That too.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:42:03pm

To hear the Gabbots tell it, the DNC is engaged in a shadowy conspiracy to suppress polls so as to prevent Tulsi from meeting the threshold, the evidence of this being…that fewer polls came out after the second debate than the first.

And that she totally met or exceeded the 2% mark on all these other polls, some of which are totally reputable because Nate Silver says so, so the DNC is deliberately ignoring them to stick to a narrow set of polls.

Oh, and they’re bitching up a storm that Harris got in and claiming this is also evidence that the DNC is restricting the field only to those they like, leaving the big question of how they didn’t find a way to disqualify Bernie if that’s true.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:47:18pm

re: #83 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, marriage is something only same sex couples do now; at least they are mostly fabulous!

Yes, She Who Must Be Obeyed and I stared at each other after 23 years of marriage and realized that our union was a total sham, because women could marry women, and men could marry men! It shocked us that our union was just a sham, ruined by people who wanted all of humanity to be happy and be allowed to love the the people who they loved and bond with them for life, just like us heterosexuals.

We immediately realized we had been marginalized by people who believed in equal rights for all citizens of the US of A. How dare they!

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:49:13pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

Steve Jobs lived with the disease for 8 years. The story I always heard (am not sure if it’s been confirmed) was during his illness he spent some time on alternative medicine instead of conventional treatments and this may have led to his death.

He had a very rare type of cancer, and had (among other things) a liver transplant as treatment. After that, with no immune system (immunosuppressants for the rest of his life), any cancer or any recurrence would kill you.

(I’ve heard the stories too, but a liver transplant doesn’t sound very alternative to me.)

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:52:36pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2019 • 10:55:03pm

re: #96 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

He had a very rare type of cancer, and had (among other things) a liver transplant as treatment. After that, with no immune system (immunosuppressants for the rest of his life), any cancer or any recurrence would kill you.

(I’ve heard the stories too, but a liver transplant doesn’t sound very alternative to me.)

The story wasn’t that he never engaged conventional treatment but that he delayed certain treatments while trying alternative therapies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:00:59pm

re: #97 Dread Pirate

Judd Legum
✔
@JuddLegum
* Aug 22, 2019
1. To combat veterans’ suicide, Trump says he has ordered the VA to “buy a lot” of an unproven and potentially dangerous new anti-depressant that costs as much as $885 per dose.

The decision will benefit one of Trump’s biggest donors. popular.info …

Trump is a grifter par excellence, as are most business leaders who support him. It’s a disgrace if the VA purchases this unproven expensive product to enrich Trump’s donors. Of course, the VA may ignore Trump’s “orders”.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:01:41pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

Please don’t yabutt me about pancreatic cancer. It kills everyone who gets it, because it is metastatic as hell. RBG is going to die because of it. Full stop. It is very sad. It is awful. But it, or it’s metastatic nature, is going to kill her.

This is her *fourth* bout with cancer. It just showed up somewhere else and a more lethal place.

I think it is just awful. I respect and admire that woman like few others. She has been a rock for women’s rights for decades, a rock for *all* human rights, and a bright light to which humans should aspire. I mourn her illness, but accept it’s inevitable conclusion.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:01:55pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

The story wasn’t that he never engaged conventional treatment but that he delayed certain treatments while trying alternative therapies.

Yes, but the fact that he was eligible for a liver transplant “treatment” implies that it was caught early, as any cancer remaining or recurring would kill you at once because of the immunosuppressants. Which suggests that he didn’t delay.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:05:37pm

re: #100 austin_blue

Please don’t yabutt me about pancreatic cancer. It kills everyone who gets it, because it is metastatic as hell. RBG is going to die because of it. Full stop. It is very sad. It is awful. But it, or it’s metastatic nature, is going to kill her.

This is her *fourth* bout with cancer. It just showed up somewhere else and a more lethal place.

I think it is just awful. I respect and admire that woman like few others. She has been a rock for women’s rights for decades, a rock for *all* human rights, and a bright light to which humans should aspire. I mourn her illness, but accept it’s inevitable conclusion.

Not going to argue further about it — but the ACA disagrees with you.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:17:18pm

So, I woke up this morning and saw that Trump’s still ranting about China and tariffs. Nothing new there; it’s to be expected at this point. But here’s the thing - China has been through much worse than Trump.

Look at China’s history of the 19th and 20th Centuries; the Opium Wars, the first and second Sino-Japanese Wars, the Taiping Rebellion ( a conflict that left at a minimum 20,000,000 dead….no one really knows for sure and I’ve seen figures that rival the death toll of WWII) the disastrous Great Leap Forward and the famine that followed which left millions dead in its grim wake, caused entirely by Mao’s recklessness and ignorance.

The Chinese are keenly aware of their not-so-distant history.

Trump is nothing compared to what China went through in the last two centuries. They’ve suffered far, far worse than anything a shady businessman from Queens can send their way.

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:19:15pm

Night all, what an awful day. Have as sweet dreams as you can have. We will visit again tomorrow.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 11:49:49pm

So, this trailer opens with Stormtrooper heads on spikes.

The Mandalorian | Official Trailer | Disney+ | Streaming Nov. 12

Looks pretty good actually.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:09:42am

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

BTW, at end of that trailer - the older gentleman who says bounty hunting is a dangerous profession? Yeah…..that’s Werner Herzog, the legendary German film maker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:22:36am

re: #56 gocart mozart

When a billionaire dies, who inherits their senators?

By all rights, they should be entombed with him alive.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:30:38am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

By all rights, they should be entombed with him alive.

Ah, the pharaoh option. A little old-fashioned, but I’m hip!

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:32:59am
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:34:28am

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

So, this trailer opens with Stormtrooper heads on spikes.

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Looks pretty good actually.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:36:28am

re: #109 Ace-o-aces

Socks with sandals is so commonplace here in Czech Republic, I actually had to look at that tweet rather closely to see what was so “controversial”. Here? Meh, just a typical day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:45:15am

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Socks with sandals is so commonplace here in Czech Republic, I actually had to look at that tweet rather closely to see what was so “controversial”. Here? Meh, just a typical day.

It is also how we recognized German tourists at the Grand Canyon.

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Mattand  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:47:42am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Jobs was also notorious for his fasting, lack of good personal hygiene and poor eating habits. Despite being stupidly fucking rich, he didn’t take good care of himself.

Something tells me RBG remembers to eat her greens.

Jobs also wasted 8 months pursuing alternative medicine after his initial diagnosis.

It speaks volumes of Jobs’s hubris and ego that after being essentially given a death sentence, he decided his doctors (probably the elite of the oncology field) were fucking idiots and he’d beat them at their own game.

I don’t know RBG that well, but I like to think that she’s nowhere near as arrogant as that.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:54:37am

re: #113 Mattand

Andy Kaufman also died as a result of seeking out alternative cancer treatments - most famously, he took a trip to the Philippines for so-called “psychic surgery” about two months before his death from large-cell carcinoma, an extremely rare type of lung cancer. From what I remember, he did also pursue conventional cancer treatments, but that wasn’t until the cancer had spread from his lungs to his brain and needless to say, by then it was far too late.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 24, 2019 • 1:35:41am

Don’t sully their honor with that piece of shit. Canada should be isolating the US.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2019 • 2:35:50am

re: #65 Romantic Heretic

They’re put up for auction.

Geldings, in the Spring sales at Keeneland. Makes it easier for old Mitch.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2019 • 2:39:00am

re: #108 Targetpractice

Ah, the pharaoh option. A little old-fashioned, but I’m hip!

Suttee was OK before we became so damn Green.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 3:08:00am

OK, so I spoke to a couple of my online students in China, Shenzhen specifically - they’re involved in IT.

Their view was that among the tech startups in Shenzen, they have no problems with what Trump is doing right now in regards to the ongoing trade war, because they’re now getting a lot more support from the central government in Beijing, mostly in terms of increased funding in order to accelerate their development so they can be self-reliant - which in the long term, will not be good for US tech companies. The general view is that while yes, there will be some short-term pain, they are looking at a much further horizon.

Those IT students in Shenzhen both said they kind of hope Trump wins a second term, because that will all but ensure that the 21st century will be the Chinese Century.

Trump’s incompetence is going to take decades to repair.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 24, 2019 • 3:20:46am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 3:27:03am

I posted earlier about The Mandlorian, but now it looks Lucasfilm is developing an Obi-Wan series for Disney+ as well, perhaps as something of a miniseries.

Will it star Ewan McGregor? I hope so, because that would be all kinds of awesome.

comicbook.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2019 • 3:38:51am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s incompetence is going to take decades to repair.

Basically, one decade per year he is office, especially with regards to his judicial appointees. So yeah, if he gets re-elected, then America is out of the running for the rest of the century.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:09:47am

From the NY Times:

It became clear in real time how the risks of an escalating trade war and the fraying of longstanding financial and political ties could quickly outpace the ability of central banks — the normal first responders to economic distress — to do anything about it.

President Trump’s shoot-first approach adds to the risks at a delicate moment, with major economies in Asia and Europe already teetering and policymakers’ capacity to contain the damage in question.

“The escalation, the unpredictability, the erratic nature of policy developments is central to what is going on, and these aren’t things you can plug into an economic model,” said Julia Coronado, president of MacroPolicy Perspectives, an economic consultancy. “Something is breaking. It’s very dangerous.”

nytimes.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:26:17am

Looks downright hot in eastern Siberia:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:26:21am

re: #119 Dread Pirate

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A feature not a bug unfortunately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:27:04am

re: #123 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Looks downright hot in eastern Siberia:

Let’s offer to buy it!

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:28:45am

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

Steve Jobs decided to fight pancreatic cancer with fruit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:32:04am

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

She was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 10 years ago.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:32:31am

It’s near the end of the ice accounting season… oh look, Greenland (not for sale) is melting:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:47:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:48:03am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 4:49:01am
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MsJ  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:11:01am

So… Did I miss the announcement that Joe Walsh (the nut from IL, not the guitarist) tossed his hat into the 2020 Republican POTUS primary?

Wasn’t that supposed to happen?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:23:51am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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It’s not an economic emergency. You otoh are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:35:53am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:44:17am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My thesis is Powell is able to be relatively independent of Trump since he doesn’t have to deal with Trump on a daily basis.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:44:55am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just a leetle problem: Trump has not issued any executive orders regarding China as a whole - only Huawei was explicitly signaled out.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:56:15am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also how we recognized German tourists at the Grand Canyon.

I wear low light hiking liner socks* with my Tevas. Keeps debris out of my toes and also stops the Tevas from getting sweaty and stinky.

*- I know that white knit socks with sandals is considered “geezer” stuff like pants up above your navel. These socks are sand or olive colored in any case and are there to do a job and they do it quite well.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 24, 2019 • 5:57:46am

re: #123 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Looks downright hot in eastern Siberia:

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That explains why Trump wants Greenland. It’s blue and needs to be turned red ASAP.

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:01:59am

Good morning!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:03:16am

re: #139 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Cardinality of that picture of one.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:04:58am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 10 years ago.

Life is invariably fatal. She’s doing well. To ascribe any ‘invariably’ to any medical diagnosis is extremely limiting and often incorrect.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:10:05am

re: #139 jeffreyw

What hardware are you running as your wildlife photography server? I am thinking of setting up a camera station at my feeders and looking at an Arduino or RasberryPi run camera; there are lots of plans out there. But I always welcome input from someone whose pictures I always admire.

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uncah91  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:21:44am

re: #140 Feline Fearless Leader

Cardinality of that picture of one.

I see you used that picture as a “set” up for a joke … :-D

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:24:08am

re: #87 austin_blue

Pancreatic cancer is invariably fatal. Ask Steve Jobs. He had all the money in the world, and could not stop it. Just a matter of time. Bless her. I hope she can last 17 months.

Pancreatic cancer is fatal most of the time because it’s not detected until it’s already progressed really far. It can be cured if caught really early, like hers was.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:29:29am

re: #115 Dread Pirate

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Don’t sully their honor with that piece of shit. Canada should be isolating the US.

She was honoring the secretary, not Pompeo.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:36:16am
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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:37:34am

re: #146 Belafon

This guy is one of Sanders’ economic advisors, but he is ONE of Sanders’ economic advisors.

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:41:50am

re: #142 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I’m not sure what you mean by photography server. The camera is an off the shelf Browning trail camera that saves pictures to an SD card. We swap chips every few days and review the take. This location usually yields hundreds of photos over that period that we review at our leisure. We copy those that catch our attention for whatever reason and save them to a Synology NAS.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 6:51:28am

Wow, an almost all-white male jury in Florida convicted a white man of killing a black man: dailykos.com.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:13:21am

The Cheeto Crazy Train is approaching superluminal velocity and infinite mass.

Trump surrogate in Iowa compares him to Mother Teresa for what, she says, he’s done for women

A top surrogate for President Trump, who holds a senior campaign position in Iowa, said Wednesday night that the president has done more for women than anyone else she could think of besides Mother Teresa.
There’s not a person alive that literally has done so much for a female, for the female population,” said Tana Goertz, Trump Team Coordinator in Iowa.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:17:41am

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Cheeto Crazy Train is approaching superluminal velocity and infinite mass.
Trump surrogate in Iowa compares him to Mother Teresa for what, she says, he’s done for women

If Tana had said “to” and not “for” I could have bought it. Anyway, though, what specifically did Mother Teresa do for women above and beyond what she did for others?

When I went to go look up Goertz, I found out she was on the Apprentice.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:22:59am

re: #149 Belafon

Wow, an almost all-white male jury in Florida convicted a white man of killing a black man: dailykos.com.

Unless we’ve got some really good statistics on verdicts, it’s more healthy to assume that outrageous miscarriages are outrages precisely because they are abnormal, even in Florida. LGF has a pretty low data threshold when dealing with “social facts”.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:23:58am

Morning Lizardim from the cool, sunny, and beautiful wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk on this stunning late-summer day?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:28:44am

re: #151 Belafon

…. Anyway, though, what specifically did Mother Teresa do for women above and beyond what she did for others?…

Putting aside any religious crap, she was the founder and CEO of a worldwide organization employing mostly POC women. She exerted that leadership despite being buried in one of the most notoriously patriarchal structures around. So there’s that.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:30:05am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Putting aside any religious crap, she was the founder and CEO of a worldwide organization employing mostly POC women. She exerted that leadership despite being buried in one of the most notoriously patriarchal structures around. So there’s that.

Thanks.

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gwangung  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:32:51am

re: #110 Ace-o-aces

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Also has Ming Na Wen in there somewhere (FINALLY! She’s been begging for a role in Star Wars for years)

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

I posted earlier about The Mandlorian, but now it looks Lucasfilm is developing an Obi-Wan series for Disney+ as well, perhaps as something of a miniseries.

Will it star Ewan McGregor? I hope so, because that would be all kinds of awesome.

comicbook.com

Since they trotted him out at D23, I’m saying “yes.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:33:12am

re: #155 Belafon

Thanks.

One of the nuns that taught me wrote her master’s thesis on the workplace role of women in the coming post-war era—in 1944. A nun can flip to feminist in a blink.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:39:43am

re: #156 gwangung

That would be great. I’d watch it.

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gwangung  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:42:41am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

That would be great. I’d watch it.

Disney is determined to have my money.

As well as all of my free time…

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:46:15am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

That would be great. I’d watch it.

To me, the younger Obiwan was a lousy teacher, and bears quite a bit of responsibility for what happened to Anakin.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:49:10am

re: #146 Belafon

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I disagree that this is insane. Its not much different from how the GOP pays for its priorities, except the GOP’s only priorities are transferring wealth to billionaires and killing people.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:54:17am

re: #160 Belafon

To me, the younger Obiwan was a lousy teacher, and bears quite a bit of responsibility for what happened to Anakin.

And starts off his relationship with Luke by lying to him about his father and family.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:54:39am

re: #160 Belafon

It’s a legit argument that the Jedi Order was responsible for the emergence of Darth Vader. Their complacency and ossified thinking proved to be their downfall.

There’s a lesson to be learned in all that.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:56:22am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

It’s a legit argument that the Jedi Order was responsible for the emergence of Darth Vader. Their complacency and ossified thinking proved to be their downfall.

There’s a lesson to be learned in all that.

Anakin did what he was destined to do; restore balance to the Force, twice in fact.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:56:30am

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

And starts off his relationship with Luke by lying to him about his father and family.

Yeah. But then again, it can’t be easy to say, “Hello, young farmer. You might have heard of me; your Uncle warned you about me - I’m the crazy old wizard he despises. Oh….and your dad? Yeah - he’s Space Hitler.”

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:57:01am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I disagree that this is insane. Its not much different from how the GOP pays for its priorities, except the GOP’s only priorities are transferring wealth to billionaires and killing people.

It is different, though. The GOP is borrowing within the current economic system. Their borrowing is not undermining the value of the dollar. The idea of printing more money just means that the dollar is worth less than what it was before that money was printed. And we call that inflation. And to print enough money to pay for a green new deal lead to some serious inflation.

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2019 • 7:57:04am

re: #160 Belafon

To me, the younger Obiwan was a lousy teacher, and bears quite a bit of responsibility for what happened to Anakin.

Yes and no. If you add the Clone Wars animated series to the mix, you see a much better Obiwan as an instructor and you also see an Anakin that was actually a decent person. The aspects of them both in the movies were not as good. But as I watched the series it became easier to understand why Anakin’s fall was a tragedy and not just a plot point to tick off.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:00:06am

re: #166 Belafon

It is different, though. The GOP is borrowing within the current economic system. Their borrowing is not undermining the value of the dollar. The idea of printing more money just means that the dollar is worth less than what it was before that money was printed. And we call that inflation. And to print enough money to pay for a green new deal lead to some serious inflation.

Does it though? There are very powerful deflationary forces in the world, and there are still a lot of prime age Americans who aren’t employed. MMT theorists don’t propose just printing money and letting inflation get out of control; they would apply enough taxation to reduce the money supply if it became necessary.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:02:19am

P.S. A little inflation is a small price to pay to get a modern zero carbon economy, and a lot of the other Democratic proposals are investments which will pay big dividends in making Americans healthier, more productive and growing the economy.

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danarchy  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:07:03am

re: #159 gwangung

Disney is determined to have my money.

As well as all of my free time…

Tell me about it, and with the $13 a month bundle that will include Hulu and espn they are gonna eat Netflix’s lunch.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:11:55am

re: #170 danarchy

Tell me about it, and with the $13 a month bundle that will include Hulu and espn they are gonna eat Netflix’s lunch.

Yup. Already told Mrs. Fish and the kids that we are all aboard on that. (We have Hulu already.)

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:24:05am

re: #170 danarchy

Tell me about it, and with the $13 a month bundle that will include Hulu and espn they are gonna eat Netflix’s lunch.

Is Disney going to be making any money at that rate?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:26:03am

“It’s a blue county now, but it has a red heart … and that red heart is this little pocket of Nazis and a local law enforcement and a DA’s office that doesn’t seem to be too preoccupied with them,” he said.

theguardian.com

Another article that you’ll never see in the Screw York Times…

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sagehen  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:28:16am

re: #168 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Does it though? There are very powerful deflationary forces in the world, and there are still a lot of prime age Americans who aren’t employed. MMT theorists don’t propose just printing money and letting inflation get out of control; they would apply enough taxation to reduce the money supply if it became necessary.

I only took one year of econ, and I wasn’t an A student… but I do remember that how much money we print is supposed to keep relatively close to how much productivity increases.

The few other things I remember from that 30 years ago class… MV=PQ (i.e., every dollar you spend someone gets, every dollar you get someone spent it); and money in the economy is like water in the ecosystem, it needs to keep circulating. If you let it stagnate in too few places, that leads to either mosquito-borne epidemics, or social unrest.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:31:09am

re: #170 danarchy

Tell me about it, and with the $13 a month bundle that will include Hulu and espn they are gonna eat Netflix’s lunch.

Yeah, that’s gonna be some major competition for Netflix.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:31:35am

re: #174 sagehen

but I do remember that how much money we print is supposed to keep relatively close to how much productivity increases.

Thanks, I was trying to think of a good way to word this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:35:09am

re: #176 Belafon

Thanks, I was trying to think of a good way to word this.

Econ classes at Pitt in the 70s. Milton Friedman’s monetarists said that any increase in the money supply needed to be locked in at a fixed rate no matter what. Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalists demanded a return to the gold standard with the elimination of those “counterfeit” DuPont created silver-less coins…Both of these camps denounced Keynesianism as Marxist…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:38:20am

good grief

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:41:50am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

Econ classes at Pitt in the 70s. Milton Friedman’s monetarists said that any increase in the money supply needed to be locked in at a fixed rate no matter what. Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalists demanded a return to the gold standard with the elimination of those “counterfeit” DuPont created silver-less coins…Both of these camps denounced Keynesianism as Marxist…

I believe that Keynes was way more correct about responding to the market than Friedman, especially in regard to reponding to downturns. But no model is absolute, as can be seen in the failure of Keynesianism to properly deal with the effects of the oil embargo of the late 70s. But money’s purpose is to be a way to exchange our labor, and by putting more money in, not tied to labor, just means that the prices of goods and services will just go up to match the change. It won’t necessarily help introduce new goods and services.

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sagehen  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:42:03am

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

Econ classes at Pitt in the 70s. Milton Friedman’s monetarists said that any increase in the money supply needed to be locked in at a fixed rate no matter what. Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalists demanded a return to the gold standard with the elimination of those “counterfeit” DuPont created silver-less coins…Both of these camps denounced Keynesianism as Marxist…

Econ classes at Claremont in the 70s, we were taught that Friedman was full of shit, that his theories benefitted one small sector of the economy at the expense of everyone else. We were Samuelson people. Very Keynsian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:42:15am

moron is manic

(he had to redo the Macron tweet because he spelled the name wrong)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:45:22am

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is manic

Shouldn’t he be on the golf course or something?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:48:12am
Yeah, that’s gonna be some major competition for Netflix.

Looks like Disney+ will support 4K without an upcharge (*cough*Netflix*cough):

Disney’s upcoming Disney+ streaming service is shaping up to be quite the deal. According to CNET, the service will launch on November 12th with support for four simultaneous streams and 4K included, all for the base price of $6.99 a month. Subscribers will also be able to create and manage up to seven profiles on a single account.

That will make it highly competitive with Netflix, which raised its prices earlier this year and has in place stricter limitations on simultaneous streams. Netflix now costs $9 a month for a standard definition plan with only one available stream. If you want HD streaming, you need to pay $13 a month, and that gets you two simultaneous streams. For 4K and four simultaneous streams, it’s $16 a month. (The company also recently bumped prices in the UK.)

Now the question becomes how well both services deliver a true 4K stream - I’m seeing lots of complaints on Netflix’s 4K streaming….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:49:26am

re: #182 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Shouldn’t he be on the golf course or something?

He’s probably disoriented because of the time shift. That means he’s really going to flip out this weekend…

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:50:55am

I do believe that we will have to pass more laws mandating that we repond to climate change, at the expense of some other things, some of them obvious, like coal, some of them a bit less obvious, like defense spending. We’re not going to be able to force the market to repond to it by just throwing more money at it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:52:30am

re: #185 Belafon

I do believe that we will have to pass more laws mandating that we repond to climate change, at the expense of some other things, some of them obvious, like coal, some of them a bit less obvious, like defense spending. We’re not going to be able to force the market to repond to it by just throwing more money at it.

That will not happen until it is too late and even then the Republicans will throw roadblock after roadblock in the way.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:52:42am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s probably disoriented because of the time shift. That means he’s really going to flip out this weekend…

Oh, right, I guess I didn’t realize he was in Europe. Probably wishes he had that golf course in Scotland right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:54:22am

re: #182 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Shouldn’t he be on the golf course or something?

he’s in France

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:56:09am

uhhhhh

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:57:14am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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I mean, its not like Trump had just teeeted that he was King of the Jews and the Second Coming of God!

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:57:29am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhhh

Superheroes with nanotech armor is way more believable than this reality.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 8:58:20am

I see the Berniebots are trashing the Obamas for buying their new house.

Really sick of these CENSORED…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:00:29am

re: #179 Belafon

I believe that Keynes was way more correct about responding to the market than Friedman, especially in regard to reponding to downturns. But no model is absolute, as can be seen in the failure of Keynesianism to properly deal with the effects of the oil embargo of the late 70s. But money’s purpose is to be a way to exchange our labor, and by putting more money in, not tied to labor, just means that the prices of goods and services will just go up to match the change. It won’t necessarily help introduce new goods and services.

But what if we actually have a lot of untapped labor potential, as we do?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:01:24am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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But when right wing shitheads were saying that about Obama they were just pointing out the obvious I guess, huh Donnie ShortFingers, because of all the times Obama declared himself the only one that can save the nation? Oh right, he never said anything like that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:04:14am

re: #192 Joe Bacon 🌹

I see the Berniebots are trashing the Obamas for buying their new house.

Really sick of these CENSORED…

Didn’t Bernie make a lot of money on a book deal? Fuck them

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Jay C  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:15:02am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Yeah: all just “in fun”; right, Donnie….

How many times has he pulled this crap. now?

* Trump retweets some mindlessly-sycophantic praise (which he revels in):
* Trump gets called on it by the media:
* Trump tries to deflect bad press by blaming “fake media” for not getting “the joke”.

But I think we know what the joke is…..

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:15:10am

re: #193 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But what if we actually have a lot of untapped labor potential, as we do?

My government contractor could use about 120 people of that potential, and we’re competing with other companies that need it as well. Where is the potential? I see help wanted signs up, some real, some internet based.

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:16:28am

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Face It, You Probably Got A Tax Cut!” This was a New York Times headline, and it is very true. [for the very wealthy]

If Republicans take back the House, and keep the Senate and Presidency, one of our first acts will be to approve a major middle income Tax Cut! [Which will never happen unless accompanied by elimination of Social Security]

Democrats only want to raise your taxes support an organized society!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:16:45am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:18:01am

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

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It’s time to put the Gestapo on ice, ice, baby…ice, ice, baby…

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mmmirele  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:21:06am

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Cheeto Crazy Train is approaching superluminal velocity and infinite mass.

Trump surrogate in Iowa compares him to Mother Teresa for what, she says, he’s done for women

Well, since Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly great for women (she was anti-abortion and anti-divorce, except for Princess Diana) and her organization has some weird ideas about suffering for Jesus, this is actually a more apt comparison than people might realize.

Some people might have some respect for Mother Teresa but I can’t, I just can’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:25:29am

So my state (MS) has a GOP runoff this Tuesday for several races, including Governor.

That race is between our current Lieutenant Governor (and former state treasurer) Tate Reeves, who is a jackass, and Bill Waller, a guy who just joined the GOP in January of this year.

So of course I’ve been getting bombarded with mailers all week.

I got one just this morning for Reeves. In it, he states that if Waller gets elected and the Medicaid expansion (which Waller supports) goes through, it will put
“300 000 more people on welfare.”

ON WELFARE. And that’s not me paraphrasing. That is what it fucking says verbatim on this mailer.

Reeves is outspending Waller by several magnitudes at this point and seems the likely winner on Tuesday but damn if I wouldn’t love to see that asshole go down.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:31:12am

re: #197 Belafon

My government contractor could use about 120 people of that potential, and we’re competing with other companies that need it as well. Where is the potential? I see help wanted signs up, some real, some internet based.

There are a lot of prime age adults not working, and we can pass rational immigration laws to meet our labor needs.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:34:54am

re: #203 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There are a lot of prime age adults not working, and we can pass rational immigration laws to meet our labor needs.

So, what you’re suggesting is we increase the labor force, which increases the total productivity, and then raising money to meet that increase in productivity. I can get behind that. But it isn’t going to be on the order of trillions of dollars.

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:35:34am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:35:55am

re: #201 mmmirele

Well, since Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly great for women (she was anti-abortion and anti-divorce, except for Princess Diana) and her organization has some weird ideas about suffering for Jesus, this is actually a more apt comparison than people might realize.

Some people might have some respect for Mother Teresa but I can’t, I just can’t.

After reading Hitchens’ takedown of her she just comes off as another religious fraud who hurt people

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:38:36am

re: #204 Belafon

So, what you’re suggesting is we increase the labor force, which increases the total productivity, and then raising money to meet that increase in productivity. I can get behind that. But it isn’t going to be on the order of trillions of dollars.

A lot of the Democrats agenda though is redirecting money from insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry. And the world economy has a growing workforce producing lots of stuff to buy. I seriously believe inflationary fears are overblown.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:42:05am

re: #201 mmmirele

Well, since Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly great for women (she was anti-abortion and anti-divorce, except for Princess Diana) and her organization has some weird ideas about suffering for Jesus, this is actually a more apt comparison than people might realize.

Some people might have some respect for Mother Teresa but I can’t, I just can’t.

Yeah, I saw the Penn and Teller Bullshit! episode about Mother Teresa (also featuring the Dalai Lama and other alleged saints). Mother T’s emphasis on suffering, which entailed real suffering by real people in her hospitals, was downright horrifying. The point is, though, that Goertz and other RWNJs regard her as a real saint, and somehow see Cheeto in the same category.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:44:55am

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:46:30am

Good Morning. As much as right wingers get all upset over “gun free zones” why not ask why detention facilities have to be flu vaccine free zones?

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:46:40am

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A lot of the Democrats agenda though is redirecting money from insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry. And the world economy has a growing workforce producing lots of stuff to buy. I seriously believe inflationary fears are overblown.

There have been times when inflation has gone out of countrol and has wrecked economies. And printing money has been one of things that has made it worse because it’s a self-defeating problem, because the very fact of printing money just to have money makes the price of the money go down (think of the suitcases of German Marks during the great depression). It is a very real possibility, especially when printing money isn’t tied to something like productivity.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:49:57am

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Mescalero09  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:53:46am

Saturday
River Town written by Guy Clark but he never recorded it.
Hayes Carll talks to me.

Hayes Carll Rivertown

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 9:58:02am

re: #211 Belafon

There have been times when inflation has gone out of countrol and has wrecked economies. And printing money has been one of things that has made it worse because it’s a self-defeating problem, because the very fact of printing money just to have money makes the price of the money go down (think of the suitcases of German Marks during the great depression). It is a very real possibility, especially when printing money isn’t tied to something like productivity.

My point is that for decades we have made people suffer unnecessarily due to overblown fears of debt, taxation and inflation. There are things we absolutely need to do and we shouldn’t be paralyzed by the “how are you going to pay for it?” Question. The world is a very different place from 40 years ago, and inflation remains flat on its back.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:05:03am

On Friday, two men in Great Falls were sentenced for crimes committed while pretending to be military veterans.

Judge Greg Pinski placed some unique requirements on their sentences.

Ryan Morris and Troy Nelson both claimed to be military veterans in an effort to receive lesser sentences and be eligible to enter Judge Pinski’s Veterans Treatment Court.

During Friday’s proceedings, Judge Pinski made it clear that their dishonesty and acts of stealing valor will not be tolerated.

krtv.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:09:20am

And I am not surprised that this Jesusbot was let off the hook…for now…

The state of Kentucky must pay nearly $225,000 in legal fees and court costs incurred by couples who sued then-Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis in 2015 because she refused to issue marriage licenses due to her religious opposition to same-sex marriage, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

Davis’ attorneys at Liberty Counsel noted that the former clerk herself was not held responsible for the court costs and fees in the Miller case.

BUT

In a separate appeal involving court costs and legal fees claimed by another couple, David Ermold and David Moore, the 6th Circuit on Friday agreed with the district judge that Davis held sovereign immunity as a public official but not qualified immunity as an individual. Unlike the Miller case, the Ermold case is still in its early stages, and no actual money has been awarded yet. … “Regarding Kim Davis, this case is not over,” said Mat Staver, an attorney with Liberty Counsel.

kentucky.com

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Jay C  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:16:38am

re: #215 Joe Bacon 🌹

On Friday, two men in Great Falls were sentenced for crimes committed while pretending to be military veterans.

Judge Greg Pinski placed some unique requirements on their sentences.

Ryan Morris and Troy Nelson both claimed to be military veterans in an effort to receive lesser sentences and be eligible to enter Judge Pinski’s Veterans Treatment Court.

During Friday’s proceedings, Judge Pinski made it clear that their dishonesty and acts of stealing valor will not be tolerated.

krtv.com

To wit:

When they complete their prison terms, they then must complete Judge Pinski’s additional requirements before they can be considered for parole.

Both men must wear a sign at the Montana Veterans Memorial during each Memorial Day and Veterans Day ceremony while they are under court supervision; the signs will read: I AM A LIAR. I AM NOT A VETERAN. I STOLE VALOR. I DISHONORED ALL VETERANS.

In addition, they will be required to complete the following:

- Hand-write the names of all 6,756 Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan wars
- Hand-write the obituaries of the 40 Montanans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan wars
- Write letters of apology to the following organizations: American Legion, AmVets, Disabled American Veterans, the Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the Vietnam Veterans of America
- 441 hours of community service

Certainly “just”: but I’m wondering if they have any grounds to appeal those conditions…?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:25:44am

This tops the cheerleader AR-15 raffle and the gun store back-to-school sale put together.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:27:10am

re: #218 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This tops the cheerleader AR-15 raffle and the gun store back-to-school sale put together.

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WTF is WRONG with these people???????

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:29:30am

Latest page, how awkward and even dangerous it is to wear a burkini for a swim.

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DangerMan  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:31:01am

re: #192 Joe Bacon 🌹

I see the Berniebots are trashing the Obamas for buying their new house.

Really sick of these CENSORED…

Bernie’s already got his 2? Houses

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:33:30am

Good thread. As toxic as Trump is, electability concerns are overblown, and we should try to nominate the best progressive candidate we can.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:36:41am

re: #217 Jay C

To wit:

Certainly “just”: but I’m wondering if they have any grounds to appeal those conditions…?

I think they do.

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KGxvi  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:41:03am

re: #222 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Anyone who wins the Democratic or Republican nomination is by definition “electable.” They will be guaranteed about 40% of the vote (at least in a traditional two person race).

As an aside, I generally don’t trust anyone who touts themselves as a populist. Mostly because I don’t trust populism.

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KGxvi  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:42:18am

re: #223 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think they do.

Yeah, definitely. That judge apparently thinks he’s a junior high principal

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:42:53am

re: #224 KGxvi

“I’m not a populist, I’m a nationalist.”

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KGxvi  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:46:34am

re: #226 Eclectic Cyborg

“I’m not a populist, I’m a nationalist.”

Ferris Bueller - Isms

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:49:40am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:55:42am

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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1 down and 1 to go.

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William Lewis  Aug 24, 2019 • 10:59:33am

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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One in Hell and one to go. A pile of evil that got it’s money by providing fuel for Stalin’s evil.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2019 • 11:04:55am

re: #227 KGxvi

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Video

And “Both Sides” will always need a ride at some point. Fucking Socialists in goats clothing…..

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BigPapa  Aug 24, 2019 • 11:05:41am

The grievance theater over the reactions to Koch’s passing is as false as the offense at Trump being called a racist and white nationalist. The hypocrisy is astounding. I’ve listened to the feverish conspiracies and malign intent pushed for 25 years from these mf’ing hatebreed people. STFU and STFD.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 24, 2019 • 11:19:27am

re: #224 KGxvi

Anyone who wins the Democratic or Republican nomination is by definition “electable.” They will be guaranteed about 40% of the vote (at least in a traditional two person race).

As an aside, I generally don’t trust anyone who touts themselves as a populist. Mostly because I don’t trust populism.

Personally, I think Warren is the best progressive candidate, and I will probably vote for her next May if she has a realistic shot at the nomination. But obviously any of the mainstream Democratic candidates would be a vast improvement over Trump, even Bernie.

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Momkat56  Aug 24, 2019 • 12:06:00pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

One of my sisters is a pulmonologist in a physician’s group which had a part in Jobs’s care after the transplant he had in Memphis. Let’s just say they had less than complementary things to say about the the guy. Why are the super rich so often miserable gits?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 24, 2019 • 1:38:43pm

re: #148 jeffreyw

Yeah, question want too well framed, but the camera is good info. What is your trigger to take a picture; motion or per unit time? Thanks.

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jeffreyw  Aug 24, 2019 • 3:05:20pm

re: #235 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yeah, question want too well framed, but the camera is good info. What is your trigger to take a picture; motion or per unit time? Thanks.

Sorry, had to mow the yard. The camera is triggered by motion, but limited to one snap per 5 minutes. The limiting interval is adjustable but 5 minutes seems to work for us.


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