Trump Now Telling Cronies to Aggressively Seize Private Land and Break Environmental Laws to Build His Wall, and He’ll Pardon Them

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The list of things for which Donald Trump has no respect is very long, and includes women, minorities, the US Constitution, US intelligence agencies, science, the office of the presidency, and on and on.

But perhaps most importantly, Trump has no respect for the rule of law, and believes he should be above it. He is, after all, “the chosen one,” according to… himself.

Today he’s demonstrating that contempt for the law once again, by telling his cronies to seize private land and disregard laws and environmental regulations to get his crackpot fantasy wall built as fast as possible (so he can boast about it in his 2020 presidential campaign), and promising to pardon anyone who gets in trouble for it.

President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

UPDATE at 8/28/19 11:09:26 am by Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:08:15am

1. Accepting a pardon is still an admission of guilt.

2. Some of these laws and regulations may be state level, which a pardon won’t help with.

3. Walls like this don’t get built that fast.

4. Trump isn’t exactly known for keeping his promises.

5. Trump is a fucking insane idiot

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:10:32am

let’s make an obvious point here

if this was something the country wanted, and that congress backed, everyone would be behind it and it would be done right

it wouldnt need to be done “aggressively” or by ‘seizing private land’ and by promising pardons

you’re offering pardons because it’s illegal

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:11:34am
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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:13:53am

re: #2 DangerMan

Dangling pardons… like participles..

He might not actually do it, but the trial balloon to see just who among his cronies would do so shows just how much of a cult Trump wants. He wants true believers and know nothing racists doing his bidding, regardless of the damage they’re doing to the rule of law because Trump has zero regard for it.

Trump is a lawbreaker every step of the way, and while you’ve got louts like Newt trying to obfuscate and deflect by criticizing Democrats for far less, Newt is silent over Trump’s criminal misconduct, including impeachable offenses for obstruction.

That’s the kind of toady Trump wants.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:13:55am

re: #3 lawhawk

Otherwise known as the “put up or shut up” phase of the proceedings.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:14:25am
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:16:19am

‘hundreds of miles’

given:

it would take 11 years to reach 1,000 miles. And that is assuming 10,000 workers going all at once, five days a week. Cut that to 5,000 workers and a 1,000-mile long wall would take more than 20 years

if they started today with 10k workers, they wouldnt hit 100 miles in a year

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:20:35am
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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:22:13am

re: #3 lawhawk

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I REALLY hope you’re correct on this: should O’Donnell’s report (and I think it’s telling Trump’s lawyers are going after NBC, vs. some more-obscure outlet) prove even the least bit inaccurate, it’s just going to provide more fodder for the Trumpian Outrage Machine - FAKE NEWS!!! NO COLLUSION!!1!!11! etc.: which they will probably do anyway: it’s just that if they are right - even in a small detail, it will be (inevitably) spun as COMPLEAT VINDICATION!!1!!11!!! for the Orange Anus. And we really don’t need more of that…

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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:23:41am
Today he’s demonstrating that contempt for the law once again, by telling his cronies to seize private land and disregard laws and environmental regulations to get his crackpot fantasy wall built as fast as possible (so he can boast about it in his 2020 presidential campaign), and promising to pardon anyone who gets in trouble for it

Stochastic vandalism. Entry-level stochasm.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:23:55am

re: #7 DangerMan

‘hundreds of miles’

given:

if they started today with 10k workers, they wouldnt hit 100 miles in a year

Ha! Good luck finding 10 000 American workers willing to work long hours in that kind of heat unless you intend on paying them a fucking fortune. Even then, I’m sure plenty of them would be like “fuck this, I’m out” well before the job was done.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:25:45am

Latest European model run for Dorian:

Image: 01d926c125828f3b264c9eecbe5f4cd34c1e1c3ee0acf0acf393aa7e83e1b2e7.gif

Track projections can change quite a bit over the next 48 hours. But there looks to be an increasing chance that Dorian will cross Florida into the GoM for a second landfall.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:26:57am
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:28:33am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Ha! Good luck finding 10 000 American workers willing to work long hours in that kind of heat unless you intend on paying them a fucking fortune. Even then, I’m sure plenty of them would be like “fuck this, I’m out” well before the job was done.

i loft em over the plate…
you hit em out

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:33:43am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:36:26am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Ha! Good luck finding 10 000 American workers willing to work long hours in that kind of heat unless you intend on paying them a fucking fortune. Even then, I’m sure plenty of them would be like “fuck this, I’m out” well before the job was done.

The deeper problem is that a substantial portion (~35%) of the American public effectively has the mental capacity of a goldfish. Can’t remember more than 5 seconds of pretty much anything.

So if Trump can stand up on a stage and point to *pictures* of people building the wall, and say that he built the wall, then to them, well … he built the goddam wall!

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:36:31am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump showing a single document that he’s the sole guarantor doesn’t disprove O’Donnell’s claim if there are others that show cosigners.

That’s where we’re at. All O’Donnell has to do is show one that identifies co-signers, and that suit is toast.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:36:50am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

However, since Trump merely claims that he was the only guarantor and that narrow issue can be proven via bank documents, this could be very straightforward.

we gonna start arguing over what “guarantor” and “co-signer” mean?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:37:21am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Stochastic vandalism. Entry-level stochasm.

Aggressively seizing private property, in blatant violation of the law?

Sounds a hell of a lot like Bolshevism if you ask me.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:39:51am

re: #18 DangerMan

we gonna start arguing over what “guarantor” and “co-signer” mean?

because i can see it

“nobody co-signed anything and there was no ‘guarantee’. they just agreed to payback the loan if trump defaulted. it was a separate contract.”

of course that would take discovery….

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Dr. Matt  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:42:56am

Fucking facebook. They gave me a notice that they were going to prohibit me for posting for 7 days because I made a negative comment about Sen. Mike Maroney (rawstory.com). I objectived to their decision and they reviewed and reinstated my account.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:45:39am

re: #13 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I am glad it’s now explicit that Fox News was working for Trump. Not that we ever had any doubts. But why the past tense?

Well, Trump does have a history of “upgrading” to a newer, younger model.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:47:44am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:49:30am

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Latest European model run for Dorian:

Image: 01d926c125828f3b264c9eecbe5f4cd34c1e1c3ee0acf0acf393aa7e83e1b2e7.gif

Track projections can change quite a bit over the next 48 hours. But there looks to be an increasing chance that Dorian will cross Florida into the GoM for a second landfall.

Which would potentially put it right near my front door. Fun times.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:51:30am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC.

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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:51:58am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Are they going to retroactively un-citizen decitizenify John McCain?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:51:58am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Motherfucker. There’s really no bottom on how evil these people can get, is there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:56:46am
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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:57:45am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If we retroactively apply this, John McCain isn’t a citizen, and it brings Megan’s citizenship into question. / (half)

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Teddy's Person  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:58:33am

re: #26 wrenchwench

Are they going to retroactively un-citizen decitizenify John McCain?

Scene: Stephen Miller’s darkened office deep in the belly of the White House. Miller sitting at his desk, slowly caressing his dog-eared copy of Mein Kampf

Miller: Sir, this policy will allow you to tweet that John McCain was never a US citizen.

Trump: Get me my sharpie!!

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:59:03am
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Citizen K  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:59:04am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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This is how you get stateless children.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:00:10pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So many things are going to be undone Jan 21, 2021 because of acting secretaries making policy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:00:18pm
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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:02:09pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I can hazard a guess how this will impact Puerto Rico.

In clearly unrelated news, I’m hoping Denmark picks Puerto Rico up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:05:15pm

re: #29 Belafon

If we retroactively apply this, John McCain isn’t a citizen, and it brings Megan’s citizenship into question. / (half)

No, I believe this is an attempt to delay meeting citizenship requirements for green card & undocumented service members and their children

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:06:00pm

Trouble in Fox-land:

Is Fox starting to move away from its “All Hail Our Glorious Leader” coverage, and into a more … nuanced … view of Trump as a form of insurance for the coming bloodbath in 2020?

Fox doesn’t want its fingerprints on what is looking more & more like an epic trainwreck.

Some Fox hosts have closed ranks behind their employer in the face of Trump’s criticism. “Fox News isn’t supposed to work for you,” tweeted Brit Hume, a longtime political analyst with the network who has called out Trump in the past.

Hinojosa hit back at the president later Wednesday morning in a tweet of her own.

“Thanks for watching. It’s pronounced So-Chi, you know, like the city in Russia,” she wrote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:06:33pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No, I believe this is an attempt to delay meeting citizenship requirements for green card & undocumented service members and their children

it’s going to grab all the rest as well

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:07:30pm

re: #37 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:09:44pm

re: #37 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That might be right - FNC will throw Trump under the bus if it starts looking like he’s going to be responsible for a GOP electoral bloodbath.

If FNC is all aboard the anti-Trump train heading into next fall, then Trump’s gonna be screaming that Fox News cost him the election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:10:12pm

and the meltdown continues

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:10:42pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No, I believe this is an attempt to delay meeting citizenship requirements for green card & undocumented service members and their children

Also, for the children born abroad of ex-pat parents.

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b.d.  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:10:44pm

re: #39 lawhawk

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Yep. Trump and FoxNews are having a summer spat to keeps the rubes entertained and distracted, they’ll be back together singing Klanbya before too long. If he starts calling in to OANN’s morning show instead of Fox’s then I’ll believe this is real.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:13:53pm

re: #42 sagehen

Also, for the children born abroad of ex-pat parents.

ex-pat parents are still citizens, so their children are also

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:16:14pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

ex-pat parents are still citizens, so their children are also

That’s part of the interpretation they’re trying to make vague.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:17:43pm

re: #45 Belafon

That’s part of the interpretation they’re trying to make vague.

and it will be even vaguer if said parents/children are brown or have “funny” names

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Amory Blaine  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:18:41pm

America is controlled top to bottom by criminals. All others can pound sand. So how are all you fine lizards this day?

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:21:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:21:54pm
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ericblair  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:23:11pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

ex-pat parents are still citizens, so their children are also

This is more complicated: a US citizen only passes US citizenship to a child born abroad if he/she has lived in the US for five years past age 18 before the child’s birth. Also, servicemen/women can be permanent residents without foreign citizenship.

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:24:31pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

1. Accepting a pardon is still an admission of guilt.

2. Some of these laws and regulations may be state level, which a pardon won’t help with.

3. Walls like this don’t get built that fast.

4. Trump isn’t exactly known for keeping his promises.

5. Trump is a fucking insane idiot

Accepting a pardon is only an admission of guilt if it is a conditional pardon. An unconditional pardon does not require any sort of admission. Otherwise, spot on.

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b.d.  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:24:32pm

re: #48 Dread Pirate

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I hope Politico pays as much attention to the guys who are running against Trump in the primaries who poll better than these dems….

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gocart mozart  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:25:23pm

This looks good

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:28:27pm

re: #50 ericblair

This is more complicated: a US citizen only passes US citizenship to a child born abroad if he/she has lived in the US for five years past age 18 before the child’s birth. Also, servicemen/women can be permanent residents without foreign citizenship.

Not quite… Here’s the code and relevant portions:

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person

[snip]

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

The five year rule only applies to subsection (g); though arguably that is in conflict with subsection (e)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:30:52pm

re: #51 KGxvi

Accepting a pardon is only an admission of guilt if it is a conditional pardon. An unconditional pardon does not require any sort of admission. Otherwise, spot on.

Procedurally speaking, no it doesn’t require an admission…but since there is logically no need to accept a pardon for a crime you didn’t commit it would follow that if a pardon is accepted…

(I’m talking court of public opinion here, not court of law)

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:33:38pm

My cousin was born in Japan. He might fall through this administration’s dumbass cracks. He’s white though, so probably not.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:33:40pm

Appeasing the confederates has put our democracy on life support, we did it to ourselves by playing nice with the south. At least people are starting to talk about the utter burden the south is on the nation. We must starve the beast.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:34:29pm

re: #53 gocart mozart

This looks good

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I’m definitely looking forward to this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:34:38pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What about “children born to U.S. citizens residing abroad”? (which would be 2 of my 9 kids & 20 of my 43 grandkids)

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aatharuv  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:35:34pm

Cre: #44 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Newbie here, long time reader — apparently I had registered years ago which I had forgotten until I tried to register and found my favorite username was taken.

Children of expat parents are not necessarily US citizens. It depends on a number of factors including whether or or both parents are US citizens, whether they’re married to each other and how long they had lived in the US above a certain age. However, until now, being posted abroad by the US government counted as residence in the US.

I can see a scenario where US citizens serving their country abroad will suddenly find their children are stateless. For example a family that moves from the US to a foreign country during a child’s teenage years, the child lives there comes back to the US as soon as he’s 18, joins the military, gets deployed overseas for a few years gets married to a local and has a kid, and suddenly finds out that his kid is stateless because he hadn’t completed 2 years of residence in the US after the age of 14 and he’ll have to apply for a green card to bring his child in.

But of course, this seems like just a trial balloon to see if they can further restrict citizenship…

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:36:03pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Which would potentially put it right near my front door. Fun times.

after it steamrolls up one side of our house, over my roof, down the other side and tears up the tarp over thegreatpoolpondconversion project

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:36:14pm

It seems that Whitehouse and others are calling out Roberts:

1 The parties have consented to the filing of this brief. Under Rule 37.6 of the Rules of this Court, amici state that no counsel for a party authored this brief in whole or in
part, and no counsel or party made a monetary contribution intended to fund the preparation or submission of this brief. No person other than amici or their counsel made a monetary contribution to its preparation or submission.

2 The rationale for this long-settled principle is simple: “this Court is not a legislature.” Obergefell v. Hodges, 135 S. Ct. 2584, 2611 (2015) (Roberts, C.J., dissenting). “It can be tempting for judges to confuse [their] own preferences with the requirements of the law,” id. at 2612, and to legislate political outcomes from the bench. But a judge “is not a knight-errant, roaming at will in pursuit of his own ideal of beauty or of goodness.” Benjamin N. Cardozo, The Nature of the Judicial Process 141 (Yale Univ. Press 1921). Accordingly, justiciability doctrines, such as standing and mootness, have evolved to serve as an “apolitical limitation on judicial power,” confining the courts to their constitutionally prescribed lane. John G. Roberts, Jr., Article III Limits on Statutory Standing, 42 Duke L.J. 1219, 1230 (1993). In short, courts do not undertake political “projects.” Or at least they should not.

Yet this is precisely—and explicitly—what petitioners ask the Court to do in this case, in the wake of a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign to shape this Court’s composition, no less, and an industrial-strength influence campaign aimed at this Court. Indeed, petitioners and their allies have made perfectly clear that they seek a partner in a “project” to expand the Second Amendment and thwart gun safety regulations. Particularly in an environment where a growing majority of Americans believes this Court is “motivated mainly by politics,” rather than by adherence to the law, the Court should resist petitioners’ invitation.

More dailykos.com.

Edit: Layman explantion:

“The Supreme Court is not well. And the people know it,” the senators conclude. “Perhaps the Court can heal itself before the public demands it be ‘restructured in order to reduce the influence of politics.’ Particularly on the urgent issue of gun control, a nation desperately needs it to heal.”

The case, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. City of New York, concerns whether New York City’s now-defunct ban on transporting a handgun to a home or shooting range outside city limits is consistent with the Second Amendment. Having agreed to review the case despite the absence of a dispute between lower appellate courts, the Court appears prepared to rule on the merits of the Second Amendment challenge even though New York City effectively repealed the regulation at issue. The senators argue that the fact that the City repealed the regulation renders the challenge moot.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:37:38pm

re: #62 Belafon

Reload

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:39:21pm

re: #37 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Trouble in Fox-land:

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Fox doesn’t want its fingerprints on what is looking more & more like an epic trainwreck.

all that and/or they’re figuring there’s more money to be made catering towards the left /s (1/2)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:41:16pm

So if parts of the wall are built and Mexicans steal part of it how is that scored?
Built? Not Built?

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Amory Blaine  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:41:26pm

re: #60 aatharuv

Welcome to the mix.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:41:36pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah those zero feet of new wall have gone up fast

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:42:23pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

ex-pat parents are still citizens, so their children are also

yep
‘guide’ what you like
the law is the law

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:45:29pm

re: #48 Dread Pirate

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you’re acting like republicans when the rules dont favor you or your current circumstance
if you were polling higher you wouldnt give a damn about ‘the rules’

you knew the set up going in. you tried. you don’t qualify
deal with it

“i lost so the rules arent fair” is a dumb, very unpresidential argument.

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:46:52pm

re: #65 I Would Prefer Not To

So if parts of the wall are built and Mexicans steal part of it how is that scored?
Built? Not Built?

We’re growing Mexico’s economy, not ours.

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TedStriker  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:49:11pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

Appeasing the confederates has put our democracy on life support, we did it to ourselves by playing nice with the south. At least people are starting to talk about the utter burden the south is on the nation. We must starve the beast.

As a Southerner, I say:

There’s quite a few of us here at LGF; me, Decatur Deb, Eclectic Cyborg, and more…and “just move” isn’t a rational solution.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:49:17pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:49:33pm

SMH

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:49:59pm

re: #60 aatharuv

thanks for the analysis. this stuff is more important:

- did you bring snacks?
- has anyone asked where you stand w/r/t pizza?

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ericblair  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:50:46pm

re: #62 Belafon

It seems that Whitehouse and others are calling out Roberts:

This really needs to happen. The Supreme Court wingnuts can sure dish out the political interference, but I don’t think they can take it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:52:17pm

After reading through the “citizenship” policy alert, it seems a lot of the contradictory policies this is supposedly being implemented to correct come from the acts by congress in 2008 to grant “native born” citizenship to John McCain, who was born in the Canal Zone

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:53:22pm
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:55:13pm

re: #65 I Would Prefer Not To

So if parts of the wall are built and Mexicans steal part of it how is that scored?
Built? Not Built?

what if the only people who are willing (able) to do the construction work are Mexican?
arent we then paying mexico for the wall?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:56:08pm

re: #78 DangerMan

what if the only people who are willing (able) to do the construction work are Mexican?
arent we then paying mexico for the wall?

Yes, but only if they sneak back at night and borrow parts of it.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:56:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:56:45pm

I wish I had a subscription to the New York Times so I could cancel it.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:57:17pm

re: #73 Dread Pirate

WHO removes a county’s elimination status when measles has been spreading continuously for one year

SMH

assume they mean ‘country’

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b.d.  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:58:40pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I wish I had a subscription to the New York Times so I could cancel it.

I hear they have bedbugs working for them.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:58:55pm
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:58:55pm

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

Yes, but only if they sneak back at night and borrow parts of it.

or if they send the money back south

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:59:24pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

It’s an appalling rag.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:59:41pm

OH FUCK

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 12:59:59pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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b.d.  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:00:15pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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Crap Lawrence, wth?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:01:53pm

Looks like Lawrence got a call from the NBC News honchos.

Doesn’t necessarily mean the report is false, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:03:20pm

re: #83 b.d.

I hear they have bedbugs working for them.

Edgar found a job for himself and all his friends

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:03:51pm

So it seems that some of my grandkids might be 100% Canadian instead of dual US/Canadian.

What a shame. ;)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:04:02pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Looks like Lawrence got a call from the NBC News honchos.

Doesn’t necessarily mean the report is false, though.

And those NBC honchos probably got a rather terse call from NBC’s legal department.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:04:31pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Cue an absolutely endless barrage of garbage tweets from the fat orange tyrant. But then we get that anyway, so…

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:04:59pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:06:01pm

Didn’t see this response on the old thread, so I’ll throw it in now since I’ve only just come to after passing out a few minutes before the original comment was made:

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

True enough, but there’s nothing stopping a new British government from applying to rejoin the EU if they so desired. That’s covered under Article 49.

In theory a new PM could do that as a massive “fuck you” to the Brexiteers.

In theory, they could. Of course, they’re no longer granted their grandfathered exemptions if that happens, so there’s no deal allowable for coming back in either: they will have to join Schengen, they will have to adopt the Euro within two years, and they will probably have to end any remaining rights of residence for Commonwealth citizens born outside of Great Britain and Northern Ireland itself (because otherwise they’d have free entry to reside in Europe without the visas that should be required to .do so).

So basically, the crash-out is permanent because they’d rather have a third-world economy than go into Schengen or use the Euro.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:06:55pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Looks like Lawrence got a call from the NBC News honchos.

Doesn’t necessarily mean the report is false, though.

This. I am holding off judgment for now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:08:06pm

I bet the GOP could purchase some empty land somewhere in Texas, build a few miles of wall along it and convince Trump his stupid fucking project is actually getting done.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:13:22pm

re: #96 Chrysicat

Didn’t see this response on the old thread, so I’ll throw it in now since I’ve only just come to after passing out a few minutes before the original comment was made:

In theory, they could. Of course, they’re no longer granted their grandfathered exemptions if that happens, so there’s no deal allowable for coming back in either: they will have to join Schengen, they will have to adopt the Euro within two years, and they will probably have to end any remaining rights of residence for Commonwealth citizens born outside of Great Britain and Northern Ireland itself (because otherwise they’d have free entry to reside in Europe without the visas that should be required to .do so).

So basically, the crash-out is permanent because they’d rather have a third-world economy than go into Schengen or use the Euro.

Yeah, it’s unlikely they’d rejoin the EU as a single entity.

It’s been speculated that Scotland might try for another independence referendum, and if that succeeded, than there’s the possibility that Northern Ireland unites with the Republic of Ireland, leaving just Wales and England as a rump UK state. Well, unless Wales said, “To hell with this!” and broke away as well, leaving just England alone.

I could see Scotland breaking away and joining the EU and I could also see N. Ireland uniting with the RoI.

So all that would be left would be the United Kingdom of Wangland.

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Interesting Times  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:18:30pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:19:33pm
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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:21:14pm

re: #96 Chrysicat

Didn’t see this response on the old thread, so I’ll throw it in now since I’ve only just come to after passing out a few minutes before the original comment was made:

In theory, they could. Of course, they’re no longer granted their grandfathered exemptions if that happens, so there’s no deal allowable for coming back in either: they will have to join Schengen, they will have to adopt the Euro within two years, and they will probably have to end any remaining rights of residence for Commonwealth citizens born outside of Great Britain and Northern Ireland itself (because otherwise they’d have free entry to reside in Europe without the visas that should be required to .do so).

So basically, the crash-out is permanent because they’d rather have a third-world economy than go into Schengen or use the Euro.

Brexit speculations aside: you all right after “passing out”??

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EPR-radar  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:21:36pm

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet the GOP could purchase some empty land somewhere in Texas, build a few miles of wall along it and convince Trump his stupid fucking project is actually getting done.

Hell, just a video would be enough to convince Trump and his meatheads that their precious fucking wall is being built. Especially if its special effects included teeming brown hordes on the other side being blown to smithereens by heavy weapons.

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Skip Intro  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:21:38pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

And those NBC honchos probably got a rather terse call from NBC’s legal department.

I thought Trump always backed down. Really, with all the crap Trump does EVERY SINGLE DAY why not cover that instead of allowing Trump to play the victim AGAIN?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:22:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:22:59pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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Thanks for your service.// Won’t see nothing from the jackasses I know who use vets to attack liberals for supporting immigrants.

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EPR-radar  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:23:05pm

re: #104 Skip Intro

I thought Trump always backed down. Really, with all the crap Trump does EVERY SINGLE DAY why not cover that instead of allowing Trump to play the victim AGAIN?

Because Republicans have no standards of conduct, everyone else does have standards of conduct, and this stupid difference is apparently the new fucking normal.

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Interesting Times  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:24:43pm

re: #100 Interesting Times

A similar take:

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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:24:58pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Thanks for your service.// Won’t see nothing from the jackasses I know who use vets to attack liberals for supporting immigrants.

SRSLY: I thought one of the big problems with President Obama and his Administration (at least according to our incumbent) was that they didn’t respect the military and/or veterans……

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EPR-radar  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:25:14pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t understand the tweet. That makes my joints hurt just to look at it, but hate?

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Dave In Austin  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:27:05pm

I can’t see Mr. O’Donnell pulling a boner move like this. I hope it pans out or it’s Bye Bye Larry….
They’ll be calling for his head by tonight’s show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:27:25pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:30:06pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:31:44pm

re: #102 Jay C

Brexit speculations aside: you all right after “passing out”??

Probably not in the long-term, but in the short term, I have some sort of issue that’s probably narcolepsy.

I start feeling exceedingly light-headed and if I don’t get done with whatever I’m doing in the next 10 minutes or so, I’ll even be able to fall asleep sitting up.

This time I was able to make it to a bed in time, but I had to cut short any time on that thread right around 4:30 Eastern.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:32:02pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

All of this can be overturned by Executive Order within the first ten days of a Democratic POTUS.

And better yet, if we can retain the House and take the Senate, then all such corrective changes can be codified into law.

Aside from that, immediate citizenship for the DREAMers, as well as immediate permanent residency for all those currently being held in the concentration camps, with a path to citizenship.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:33:22pm

re: #111 Dave In Austin

I can’t see Mr. O’Donnell pulling a boner move like this. I hope it pans out or it’s Bye Bye Larry….
They’ll be calling for his head by tonight’s show.

I don’t really care if they do. Sometimes the info you get isn’t accurate after another look. It just happens.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:34:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:35:29pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ah, the quirks of being double jointed.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:39:39pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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F*ck. It bears repeating. Their evil knows no end.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:41:16pm

re: #119 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

F*ck. It bears repeating. Their evil knows no end.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:42:10pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Looks like it hits the State Dept Foreign Service and related agencies harder than DoD. They are already less likely to have an extraterritorial hospital than a US military base.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:42:24pm

This policy is punishing service members for…serving.

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:42:38pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I wish I had a subscription to the New York Times so I could cancel it.

youre smart enough to never have had one

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:43:05pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Looks like it hits the State Dept Foreign Service and related agencies harder than DoD. They are always less likely to have an extraterritorial hospital than a US military base.

Yet again, I’m almost 100% positive that Stephen Miller is behind this.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:43:22pm

Fuck Trump. Fuck him forever.

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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:43:40pm

re: #113 Dread Pirate

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Geez, I know Glenn Greenwald became a sworn citizen of Outer Hackville a long time ago, but RLY? - dumping on Neera Tanden over Joe Walsh?? Because she (and God-knows-how-many-others) doesn’t reflexively dump on him now that he’s come out as a confirmed “Never-Trumper”? Maybe Glenn should scan a few blogs (other than his own) now and again: I’ve rarely seen ANYBODY on any left-leaning site (or any media, for that matter) give Walsh a pass on his past hackery and general FAIL just because he’s anti-Trump now.
Mind you, I do wish him (Walsh, not GG) success in his endeavors, though: anything that makes the Orange Moron look bad, or damages his electoral prospects is an objectively Good Thing. Regardless of the source….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:43:49pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:44:23pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Yet again, I’m almost 100% positive that Stephen Miller is behind this.

Citizenship is Golum’s Precious.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:45:09pm

re: #109 Jay C

SRSLY: I thought one of the big problems with President Obama and his Administration (at least according to our incumbent) was that they didn’t respect the military and/or veterans……

Yeah. Seriously this is absolute bs.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:49:02pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m not going to read the article right now, but why is this news?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:49:33pm

Secondary effect: young married soldiers become less likely to have a problem-free deployment, and will opt for shorter tours where available. That’s expensive and a G1 problem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:49:50pm
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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:49:55pm

re: #130 Belafon

I’m not going to read the article right now, but why is this news?

Because that was among the highest and worst scandals of the Obama admin? It was what occupied much of the fall that year?

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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:49:55pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

And, as noted in : re: #115 Dr Lizardo:

If the Dems don’t make this some sort of major theme in next year’s campaign, it will be political malpractice of the grossest sort……

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:50:03pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Citizenship is Golum’s Precious.

If I were running for POTUS, one of my campaign promises would be to find a way to strip Stephen Miller of his US citizenship and send him into exile to the country of his choice, never to be allowed to return to the United States.

Oh, and Gorka would be deported within the first 100 days of my presidency. He can fuck off back to Hungary.

ETA: And Milo Whateverthefuckhislastnameis. Yeah, he’d be on the next plane back to Jolly Olde England.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:51:59pm

Anyone not in the 1% who continues to vote for Trump and the R’s who support him is nuts.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:53:26pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:54:02pm

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

If I were running for POTUS, one of my campaign promises would be to find a way to strip Stephen Miller of his US citizenship and send him into exile to the country of his choice, never to be allowed to return to the United States.

Oh, and Gorka would be deported within the first 100 days of my presidency. He can fuck off back to Hungary.

Gitmo for both. As long as the US has that hellhole, sufficiently vile sewer rats should be sent there.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:54:52pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

This policy is punishing service members for…serving.

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?

well, he screwed the farmers pretty good and he’s done with them
so he’s moving on to the military
dont ask me why

maybe this is good for the dems /s (1/2)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:55:24pm

re: #134 Jay C

And, as noted in : :

If the Dems don’t make this some sort of major theme in next year’s campaign, it will be political malpractice of the grossest sort……

Soldiers and their families are a minority of a minority. It will be lost in the noise.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:56:01pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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from this AM, how we know it wasnt the suit…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:56:14pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:56:50pm

re: #139 DangerMan

well, he screwed the farmers pretty good and he’s done with them
so he’s moving on to the military
dont ask me why

maybe this is good for the dems /s (1/2)

Well, it is going to force a lot of “clarification”.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:58:12pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Because that was among the highest and worst scandals of the Obama admin? It was what occupied much of the fall that year?

yes.
essentially the only scandal of his 8 years was this one manufactured out of, ahem, whole cloth

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:58:32pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

Gitmo for both. As long as the US has that hellhole, sufficiently vile sewer rats should be sent there.

IIRC, didn’t Gorka commit some violations that could technically get him deported?

There you go. The utter humiliation of Gorka in manacles being frogmarched to a waiting jet to ship his useless ass back to Budapest is far more satisfying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:59:17pm

re: #144 DangerMan

yes.
essentially the only scandal of his 8 years was this one manufactured out of, ahem, whole cloth

*SMACK*

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 1:59:44pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Soldiers and their families are a minority of a minority. It will be lost in the noise….

…of the thousand other things that each would be malpractice to ignore…

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:00:14pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Soldiers and their families are a minority of a minority. It will be lost in the noise.

Sure, but here’s how you frame it:

Donald Trump and Republicans take every opportunity to tell us how much they love and support our men and women in uniform. But that’s just another lie. While members of our military serve around the world, protecting the peace, Donald Trump is doing everything he can to strip their children of American citizenship. That’s how he wants to repay our troops - by telling them and their children “don’t come back, you’re not wanted.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:01:12pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Soldiers and their families are a minority of a minority. It will be lost in the noise.

It takes some of the wind out of their sails when they start claiming that they always support the troops.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:01:55pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SMACK*

i feel a serge of blood where you hit me.
wha twill i do about it?

(i’ll see myself out)

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:03:06pm

re: #148 KGxvi

Sure, but here’s how you frame it:

Donald Trump and Republicans take every opportunity to tell us how much they love and support our men and women in uniform. But that’s just another lie. While members of our military serve around the world, protecting the peace, Donald Trump is doing everything he can to strip their children of American citizenship. That’s how he wants to repay our troops - by telling them and their children “don’t come back, you’re not wanted.”

and
- the lying about the pay raise
- and the decimation of the VA
- and, and, and

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:03:22pm

re: #149 I Would Prefer Not To

It takes some of the wind out of their sails when they start claiming that they always support the troops.

If the GOP were smart, they could actually fight Trump on this and get him to back down.

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:04:56pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP were smart, they could actually fight Trump on this and get him to back down.

The smart Republicans have all left the party. All that’s left are the kiss asses and morons.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:05:07pm

Just wait until November 7, 2020 if he loses. This is nothing compared to what he will do then.

At least a wall can be torn down.

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:05:45pm

re: #144 DangerMan

yes.
essentially the only scandal of his 8 years was this one manufactured out of, ahem, whole cloth

I dunno, the mustard on hamburgers was just as bad. And OMG the Mom Jeans when he threw out the first pitch…

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:06:22pm

so the dow is back to where it was 6 months ago - 3/1/19

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:06:47pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Just wait until November 7, 2020 if he loses. This is nothing compared to what he will do then.

At least a wall can be torn down.

If he loses, he’s got what, about two months as a lame duck POTUS? He’ll fucking try to burn it all down. It’s an extension of that “if I can’t have you, no one can” mindset.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:06:50pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Just wait until November 7, 2020 if he loses. This is nothing compared to what he will do then.

At least a wall can be torn down.

I’m hoping that he will lose by so much and go crazy so fast the 25 Amendment comes into play. I’m also hoping to win the lottery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:07:04pm

re: #155 sagehen

I dunno, the mustard on hamburgers was just as bad. And OMG the Mom Jeans when he threw out the first pitch…

and the bicycle helmet

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:07:13pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Just wait until November 7, 2020 if he loses. This is nothing compared to what he will do then.

At least a wall can be torn down.

I suspect that if he loses, and loses badly, that the congressional GOP will likely turn on him by noon on November 8.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:08:50pm

re: #160 KGxvi

I suspect that if he loses, and loses badly, that the congressional GOP will likely turn on him by noon on November 8.

Could be - especially if there ends up being a major GOP wipeout (knock on wood). They’ll fix the blame for their electoral losses squarely on Trump.

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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:09:23pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Soldiers and their families are a minority of a minority. It will be lost in the noise.

Disagree: despite being a technical “minority”, there are still a lot of folks in the service, and their “minority” status is constantly getting overlooked in favor of a a sort of quasi-official lionization, for a number of reasons:

1) First (and foremost) the whole “serving the country” thing.
2) As a volunteer military, the need to get the maximum number of volunteers.
3) Military and veterans are usually (if often incorrectly) thought of a a bastion of conservative (if not always obsessively RW) attitudes.
4) Dissing (even perceived dissing of )the military/vets is generally a political loser. For anybody.
5) Unless I’m mistaken, the US military has a larger percentage of lower-income and/or non-white people serving in it than the general population: Service has been - for decades - a path to “upward mobility” for a lot of other-wise disadvantaged folks: messing with the citizenship status of servicepeople/vets - out of (apparently) no other reason than stock Trumprrhoid xenophobia - strikes me as being an easy issue to exploit for the next election.
Maybe.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:12:44pm

so re the OP:

while Obama was never coming to take your guns, Trump is coming to take your land.

i gotta hand it to the all the southern/border republicans.
really well played

in fact we’re up to three and just today:
- midwest farmers (a whole hour on NPR this morning)
- active military and govt service
- southern border land owners

but you’ll all still vote R, wont you?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:13:57pm
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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:14:26pm

This is, um, interesting:

But last week, the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver upset the conventional understanding by ruling the electors have a “constitutional right” to vote as they wish for president, even if state law requires them to abide by the people’s choice.

Tenth Circuit (Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Nebraska, and Oklahoma) has ruled that the States can’t force electors to vote for the winner of the statewide vote. Which, from a technical standpoint, makes sense — we’re technically voting for electors not the president/vice-president. But that’s not really how most understand the elector system.

“The definitions of elector, vote and ballot have a common theme: They all imply the right to make a choice or voice an individual opinion. We therefore agree with Mr. Baca that the use of these terms supports a determination that the electors, once appointed, are free to vote as they choose,” [Judge Carolyn McHugh] said in Baca vs. Colorado. “The text of the Constitution makes clear that the states do not have the constitutional authority to interfere with the presidential electors who exercise their constitutional right to vote for the president or vice president candidates of their choice.”

This likely is going to the Supreme Court because there’s a ruling from the Washington Supreme Court saying that electors can be bound by the voters.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:14:51pm

re: #149 I Would Prefer Not To

re: #151 DangerMan

re: #162 Jay C

The most effective application would be to marry it to the Russian maternity tourism posted above. There is so much obscene bullshit on his account that there is nowhere to start.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:15:08pm

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

Could be - especially if there ends up being a major GOP wipeout (knock on wood). They’ll fix the blame for their electoral losses squarely on Trump.

maybe

first they’ll blame obama /s

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:18:08pm

re: #162 Jay C

Disagree: despite being a technical “minority”, there are still a lot of folks in the service, and their “minority” status is constantly getting overlooked in favor of a a sort of quasi-official lionization, for a number of reasons:

1) First (and foremost) the whole “serving the country” thing.
2) As a volunteer military, the need to get the maximum number of volunteers.
3) Military and veterans are usually (if often incorrectly) thought of a a bastion of conservative (if not always obsessively RW) attitudes.
4) Dissing (even perceived dissing of )the military/vets is generally a political loser. For anybody.
5) Unless I’m mistaken, the US military has a larger percentage of lower-income and/or non-white people serving in it than the general population: Service has been - for decades - a path to “upward mobility” for a lot of other-wise disadvantaged folks: messing with the citizenship status of servicepeople/vets - out of (apparently) no other reason than stock Trumprrhoid xenophobia - strikes me as being an easy issue to exploit for the next election.
Maybe.

- it’s not just those in service and their spouses (and kids)
- while this may not directly affect their families, they (likely) most have families

that makes it a lot more potential pissed off people

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:19:19pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

The most effective application would be to marry it to the Russian maternity tourism posted above.

Let’s not forget that Chinese nationals pull the same stunt - yet you don’t hear a peep about those births….

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:21:08pm

re: #167 DangerMan

maybe

first they’ll blame obama /s

Heh. But I’d think that in all likelihood, if the GOP suffers some serious losses next November, the party leadership is gonna look to blame the guy at the top - after all, he is the nominal leader of the party and if it all goes to shit on his watch, well…..there’s really no one else to blame.

If the GOP gets wiped out next year, yeah…..they’ll be on all the TV talking head shows, throwing Trump under the bus by breakfast the day after the election.

And with that, it’s late here in Europe, so I’mma call it a night. Have fun, Lizards.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:22:05pm

re: #165 KGxvi

This is, um, interesting:

Tenth Circuit (Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Nebraska, and Oklahoma) has ruled that the States can’t force electors to vote for the winner of the statewide vote. Which, from a technical standpoint, makes sense — we’re technically voting for electors not the president/vice-president. But that’s not really how most understand the elector system.

This likely is going to the Supreme Court because there’s a ruling from the Washington Supreme Court saying that electors can be bound by the voters.

if the electors can do what they want, there’s no need to hold presidential elections

heck it wouldnt even be a ‘formality’ because they arent related to each other in any way

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:23:29pm

Can the Trump admin be sued over this new naturalized citizen nonsense with foreign born children?

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:24:34pm

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

Heh. But I’d think that in all likelihood, if the GOP suffers some serious losses next November, the party leadership is gonna look to blame the guy at the top - after all, he is the nominal leader of the party and if it all goes to shit on his watch, well…..there’s really no one else to blame.

If the GOP gets wiped out next year, yeah…..they’ll be on all the TV talking head shows, throwing Trump under the bus by breakfast the day after the election.

And with that, it’s late here in Europe, so I’mma call it a night. Have fun, Lizards.

of course youre right, no doubt.

though as to the bolded part, that’s only because they couldnt possibly blame themselves for their part in the last 5 years of enabling him

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:26:00pm

Any word about civilian employees like DOS brats?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:27:28pm

Frame the son of a bitch as disrespectful to military family sacrifices.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:27:43pm

re: #171 DangerMan

if the electors can do what they want, there’s no need to hold presidential elections

heck it wouldnt even be a ‘formality’ because they arent related to each other in any way

That’s how it worked until the 20th century. The point of the electors was to side with the voters unless someone way out there was chosen.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:28:25pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Whether or not they can use is nothing compared to the damage that is occurring at the U.S. State Department against career diplomats who would be directly impacted by the latest USCIS announcement.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:30:03pm

When I am stressed, I bake.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:30:55pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Any word about civilian employees like DOS brats?

Someone posted a CIA example above—same rules. Note my comment that the birth is more likely to be in a host-nation hospital.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:33:57pm
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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:34:47pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Someone posted a CIA example above—same rules. Note my comment that the birth is more likely to be in a host-nation hospital.

It’s part of the plot of the Omen, and Good Omens.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:36:43pm

re: #176 Belafon

That’s how it worked until the 20th century. The point of the electors was to side with the voters unless someone way out there was chosen.

one of many problems with rulings like this is whether it’s ‘technically, legally’ etc ‘right’, its not how anyone thought things worked

theyre basically saying “nope it never worked the way literally every american except the guy who brought this suit thought it did”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:37:14pm

Bye Felicia!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:38:59pm

re: #182 DangerMan

I wonder if it’s a language issue. “Electors” does seem to suggest they should have some say in the process. Perhaps a less ambiguous name is in order?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:40:03pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

Bye Felicia!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:41:04pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

Bye Felicia!

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Tulsi also did not make the cut but has not officially ended her campaign I don’t think.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:41:15pm

re: #182 DangerMan

one of many problems with rulings like this is whether it’s ‘technically, legally’ etc ‘right’, its not how anyone thought things worked

theyre basically saying “nope it never worked the way literally every american except the guy who brought this suit thought it did”

I believe there were two presidents who were chosen by the electors overriding the EC count. I know there was one for sure.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:41:33pm
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:44:06pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s one for you: A DEA agent got a drug trafficker to buy a $43,000 truck so the agent could seize it through asset forfeiture and use it as his work vehicle

YouTube

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:44:34pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

Tulsi also did not make the cut but has not officially ended her campaign I don’t think.

Waiting for orders?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:46:22pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like her but she wasn’t catching on. Wonder if she endorses anyone.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:46:55pm
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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:47:56pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

others who don’t believe in God

Covers a huge number of the officially pious.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:50:31pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Atheists, agnostics and others who don’t believe in God can be barred from giving invocations at the Pennsylvania statehouse, federal appeals court rules

which god? (and yes, i know what they’re gonna say)

because they’re gonna have trouble with “a member of a regularly established church or religious organization”

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:54:25pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

Bye Felicia!

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So she shanked Al Franken for no gain at all?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:54:48pm

Not creepy at all …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:55:32pm
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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:56:27pm

Of course there would be a LieDenial Tweet because he just can’t shut up.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 2:59:07pm

re: #198 jaunte

OK

prove it.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:02:17pm

A smart woman once told me that habitually making claims about yourself or others using language like “never” and “always” was a good sign of toxic thinking.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:02:30pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not creepy at all …

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:02:35pm

re: #199 DangerMan

“The Russians were just the cosigners.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:03:07pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not creepy at all …

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:05:40pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:05:45pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“Mr. President, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:09:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:09:43pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Fox isn’t supposed to work for you. And your mistake was thinking they actually gave a shit about you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:11:20pm
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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:11:50pm

contrasting stories
white naked man (ie no ‘concealed’ weapon) - chased down and in custody
black naked man )ie no ‘concealed’ weapon) - shot and killed

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:13:39pm

re: #209 DangerMan

contrasting stories
white naked man (ie no ‘concealed’ weapon) - chased down and in custody
black naked man )ie no ‘concealed’ weapon) - shot and killed

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Having a hard time thinking this would be better if they shot the white nutcase too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:15:30pm
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:15:59pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn, that’s cute.

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:17:30pm

re: #182 DangerMan

one of many problems with rulings like this is whether it’s ‘technically, legally’ etc ‘right’, its not how anyone thought things worked

theyre basically saying “nope it never worked the way literally every american except the guy who brought this suit thought it did”

That logic can be applied to almost any ruling. “Nobody” thought that marriages worked by allowing people of different races to get married.

The real issue is that we have an unofficial system overlaid on an official system. And the unofficial system isn’t really in line with the official system in close races.

Also, I’m fairly certain there was a really bad Kevin Costner movie back in the aughts where he was an elector that could decide the fate of the election.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:17:39pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Having a hard time thinking this would be better if they shot the white nutcase too.

Just trying to figure out how you think that’s the interpretation people are going for.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:18:59pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Having a hard time thinking this would be better if they shot the white nutcase too.

im ok with dont shoot anyone who’s naked and unarmed
neither is likely much of a threat

- killing should be a last resort not the first
- and certainly not a ‘pre-emptive’ against presumed/anticipated but not yet actualized violence

and if your ‘subjective’ fear is gonna be the standard of evaluation, get another line of work. this job calls for cool and rational thinking in stressful situations. you know, like airline pilots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:19:04pm

...

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Mike Lamb  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:20:05pm

re: #113 Dread Pirate

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It’s also slightly different to go on a show as a straight interview and/or push back against bullshit vs. going on to have a circle jerk of like minds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:20:06pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:20:32pm

re: #214 Belafon

Just trying to figure out how you think that’s the interpretation people are going for.

Maybe the problem is with the brute-force policing and not the color of the victims. The cop was right to disengage with the white perp, and that’s not the way it’s being played across the net.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:21:27pm

re: #212 Romantic Heretic

Damn, that’s cute.

birds:
bathe in their drinking water
drink their bathwater
stand in their food

cats do not ;-)

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:22:32pm

BOOM. Just in time for the afternoon commute.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:22:50pm

re: #220 DangerMan

birds:
bathe in their drinking water
drink their bathwater
stand in their food

cats do not ;-)

one of my cats likes to drag the waterbowl around the kitchen.

she also likes to drag things into the bowl.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:23:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:25:39pm
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Florida Panhandler  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:27:51pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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I can’t see the rank and file taking this sitting down. We might get some sort of pushback from within our Military personnel the likes the US hasn’t seen in a long time.

Conservative Family Values my ass.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:28:01pm

Putin’s puppet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:28:39pm

re: #225 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I can’t see the rank and file taking this sitting down. We might get some sort of pushback from within our Military personnel the likes the US hasn’t seen in a long time.

Conservative Family Values my ass.

I really can’t see how he can just amend the Constitution like that

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:29:17pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our unelected Prime Minister has started a war with our democracy. Now we are going to show the same determination and courage as our ancestors - and we are going to fight with everything we’ve got

we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth[e] last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:29:43pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow that is a crazy fucking Lion logo at the end. The hell?

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:33:53pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really can’t see how he can just amend the Constitution like that

It’s not really constitutional. The 14th Amendment just says that anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. It’s the US code that says these children are US citizens at birth. Trump is using regulations to do the exact opposite of what the law says, which is unconstitutional. Hopefully this gets challenged quickly and struck down.

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:34:01pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Moore is the kind of right wing extremist that Trump/McConnell/GOP have been installing on the bench all around the nation. This doesn’t end well for anyone.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:35:33pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Among Obama scandals, the tan suit has about the same position that Manafort does with Trump’s: worse than Stormy Daniels or Flynn but not as bad as the Trump Tower meeting. At the top of the pile, right across from Russia-gate, is the 57 states episode.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:36:49pm
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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:41:45pm
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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:46:30pm

Who’s surprised? Anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:50:03pm

re: #234 jaunte

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God I can’t wait for him to get slaughtered at the polls.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:51:32pm
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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:52:27pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

God I can’t wait for him to get slaughtered at the polls.

I wonder how he will handle losing… If he’ll try and fight or if he’ll say “fuck you, I quit” and try and run off to Moscow? Like I could totally see him bailing and us having to deal with a President Pence for two months.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:54:08pm

re: #238 KGxvi

I wonder how he will handle losing… If he’ll try and fight or if he’ll say “fuck you, I quit” and try and run off to Moscow? Like I could totally see him bailing and us having to deal with a President Pence for two months.

Oh yeah he’ll be the most graceless loser ever.

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:55:23pm

Huh, looks like Georgia is going to have two senate elections next year…

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Semper Fi  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:59:38pm

re: #238 KGxvi

I wonder how he will handle losing… If he’ll try and fight or if he’ll say “fuck you, I quit” and try and run off to Moscow? Like I could totally see him bailing and us having to deal with a President Pence for two months.

He will say it is impossible for him to have lost and this proves the system is “rigged.”

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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 3:59:51pm

re: #240 KGxvi

Huh, looks like Georgia is going to have two senate elections next year…

Cook has to be—forgive me—undercooking things too.

Ain’t no way on this earth that Colorado’s senate seat is a toss-up; Gardner is way too tied to Trump and his ties to Trump will leave him about even in Grand Junction and Pueblo. The only area he’s going to overwhelmingly win the vote in is El Paso County—that is to say, Colorado Springs.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:00:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:02:50pm

re: #235 MsJ

Who’s surprised? Anyone?

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A news release from Kentucky State Police says they received a complaint from someone at the high school.

Wilson is the principal at Clark County Area Technology Center, which offers high school vocational courses. The center is a part of George Rogers Clark High School campus in Winchester near Lexington.

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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:03:48pm

re: #241 Semper Fi

He will say it is impossible for him to have lost and this proves the system is “rigged.”

Though how he expects anyone to believe that when the only person who’d have been capable for rigging it for almost four years is him, I wish I couldn’t understand.

Problem is, we know exactly how— DEEP STATE STILL RUNNING COUP!

And he’ll use it for an Enabling Act possibly even if the election is close in our favour.

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KGxvi  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:03:55pm

re: #242 Chrysicat

Cook has to be—forgive me—undercooking things too.

Ain’t no way on this earth that Colorado’s senate seat is a toss-up; Gardner is way too tied to Trump and his ties to Trump will leave him about even in Grand Junction and Pueblo. The only area he’s going to overwhelmingly win the vote in is El Paso County—that is to say, Colorado Springs.

My guess is that it’s a “toss up” because there isn’t any clear Democratic frontrunner, let alone actual nominee.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:04:50pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:06:01pm

Finally fixed that broken post in #245
re: #245 Chrysicat

Though how he expects anyone to believe that when the only person who’d have been capable for rigging it for almost four years is him, I wish I couldn’t understand.

Problem is, we know exactly how— DEEP STATE STILL RUNNING COUP!

And he’ll use it for an Enabling Act possibly even if the election is close in our favour.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:09:05pm

Evening Lizardim.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:11:06pm

I wonder how Malaysia and Brunei feel about this

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:17:39pm

So, both GA Senate seats will be in play in 2020, with Isakson’s up for election again in 2022. Kemp will appoint interim In Jan 2020

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:24:45pm

So Junior never saw the clips of his Daddy getting pwn3d by Macron, outclassed by Trudeau, & spit on by Merkel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:25:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:26:22pm

re: #252 The Pie Overlord!

So Junior never saw the clips of his Daddy getting pwn3d by Macron, outclassed by Trudeau, & spit on by Merkel.

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Your Dad likes to talk about love letters Kim Jong Un wrote him. STFU and I don’t even like Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:26:51pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll do worse Tim. He always does.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:28:30pm

Dorian now looks like a hurricane on radar:

radar.weather.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:28:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:30:16pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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God that’s a cat you don’t want to mess with.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:32:48pm

Did we know this? I don’t think I did.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:33:25pm

My touch of anal retentiveness approves

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:36:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:36:42pm

re: #261 The Pie Overlord!

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It’s still cruel.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:38:10pm

SASHA OBAMA IS A WOLVERINE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:39:33pm

re: #261 The Pie Overlord!

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it says “born”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:41:28pm

re: #263 The Pie Overlord!

SASHA OBAMA IS A WOLVERINE!

God DAMN it, Barack. You had ONE JOB.

Oh well. At least she’s not a Buckeye.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:41:33pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

it says “born”

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there are vague hoops:

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:44:44pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not creepy at all …

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Getting high and running around the steam tunnels under the University of Illinois campus was something we did in the 1970s.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:45:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:46:25pm
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mmmirele  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:46:33pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know this was a Bad Thing when one of the establishment papers, the Financial Times, comes out against this.

Boris Johnson’s suspension of parliament is an affront to democracy

MPs must pass a no-confidence vote in the government and trigger a general election

The editorial board

ft.com

Oh, and Hugh Grant is completely losing his shit, in a good way:

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:49:16pm

I did not know Jerry Garcia was missing a finger. You learn something new every day.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:49:17pm

re: #237 MsJ

The best criminals. He promised us the best so he’s kept his promise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:51:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:52:15pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

it says “born”

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It’s messed up either way. I hope this gets a lot of angry military members at Trump who let him know it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:52:33pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

Getting high and running around the steam tunnels under the University of Illinois campus was something we did in the 1970s.

Was that where the actual D&D game started? It was at some school, live action, before it became a portable game.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:53:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:55:14pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My cousins’ children have the misfortune of having both Trump and Johnson as their leaders due to their dual citizenship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:55:46pm

re: #270 mmmirele

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:56:20pm

re: #271 Shropshire Slasher

I did not know Jerry Garcia was missing a finger. You learn something new every day.

Did he ever find it?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:57:55pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve felt indifferent at best about Hugh Grant. Not anymore. Well said dude.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:58:11pm

Again?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 4:58:37pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:00:10pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Was that where the actual D&D game started? It was at some school, live action, before it became a portable game.

It may well have been. We found a place near the Morrow plots where you could enter (and, as an aside, my granddad had been a professor of agriculture, though I never knew him). The Morrow plots was an experimental corn field. When plans for a new undergrad library were developed, it was decided that the part near the plots had to be underground to be sure that there was no sun blockage.

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DangerMan  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:00:26pm

re: #230 KGxvi

It’s not really constitutional. The 14th Amendment just says that anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. It’s the US code that says these children are US citizens at birth. Trump is using regulations to do the exact opposite of what the law says, which is unconstitutional. Hopefully this gets challenged quickly and struck down.

Like i said they can “guide” all they like
the law is still (for now) the law

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:01:06pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:04:17pm
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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:06:38pm

Oh brother.

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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:07:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:08:57pm

re: #287 MsJ

Oh brother.

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You willingly served Trump, Jim and you profit from his kiddy cages.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:09:45pm

re: #288 Chrysicat

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He’s going to sell Ukraine out to Russia.

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Chrysicat  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:10:45pm

re: #270 mmmirele

You know this was a Bad Thing when one of the establishment papers, the Financial Times, comes out against this.

ft.com

Can they do that while they’re prorogued maybe at some exile-site, and report it to the queen; or can they only do so after 15.10, while there’s insufficient time to hold the election and prevent crash-out, which means that as far as the EU is concerned they’d have to jump through every hoop Ukraine would to get in?

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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:17:03pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

Getting high and running around the steam tunnels under the University of Illinois campus was something we did in the 1970s.

Yowzer. I graduated in 1970, and I never got high there, nor ran around the steam tunnels! Obviously my education was missing a few points!

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:17:37pm

Loving the ratio.

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mmmirele  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:17:42pm

Albert Mohler is one of the architects of the swing of Southern Baptist churches to Calvinism. He’s the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) in Louisville. And he’s expressed this abominable opinion before. I let him have it.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:19:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:20:22pm

re: #293 Belafon

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Loving the ratio.

And you should go to prison.

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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:20:33pm

re: #283 Barefoot Grin

It may well have been. We found a place near the Morrow plots where you could enter (and, as an aside, my granddad had been a professor of agriculture, though I never knew him). The Morrow plots was an experimental corn field. When plans for a new undergrad library were developed, it was decided that the part near the plots had to be underground to be sure that there was no sun blockage.

Yes, the Morrow Plots were sacred. And the underground library is totally great.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:21:15pm

re: #294 mmmirele

Albert Mohler is one of the architects of the swing of Southern Baptist churches to Calvinism. He’s the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) in Louisville. And he’s expressed this abominable opinion before. I let him have it.

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Freedom of choice is lost on these theocrats.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:24:25pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Freedom of choice is lost on these theocrats.

Women are chattel to theocrats. We’re solely a womb. We’re to be subservient to a man; any man.

We don’t matter. Which is why I’ll never be a religious person (and I think religion is silly, no offense meant. Honest.)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:24:38pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

Getting high and running around the steam tunnels under the University of Illinois campus was something we did in the 1970s.

Ah yes, the older universities have these steam tunnels from the good old days of central heating (originally by coal.)

I remember steam tunnels fondly.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:24:41pm
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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:24:46pm

re: #293 Belafon

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Loving the ratio.

Enjoying the Comments!!

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:25:42pm

re: #292 retired cynic

Yowzer. I graduated in 1970, and I never got high there, nor ran around the steam tunnels! Obviously my education was missing a few points!

This would have been around 1978 or 1979. The Rolling Stones played the Assembly Hall (my dad’s first construction project in the late 1950s) in 1969. Did you go?

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:26:39pm

re: #294 mmmirele

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:26:56pm

re: #263 The Pie Overlord!

SASHA OBAMA IS A WOLVERINE!

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Good thing Dad’s not running again, this would cost him Ohio.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:27:10pm
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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:28:48pm

re: #303 Barefoot Grin

This would have been around 1978 or 1979. The Rolling Stones played the Assembly Hall (my dad’s first construction project in the late 1950s) in 1969. Did you go?

Nope, but I hit a lot of the concerts there; my Pop was a head of ushers, and I ushered a lot of shows that I could not have afforded. Apparently he didn’t request that one! grin!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:30:01pm

re: #306 MsJ

It won’t take him long to get shot if all he brings is a .410.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:30:03pm

re: #287 MsJ

I want to tell him to fuck off, but I don’t want to be in twitter jail.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:30:09pm

re: #294 mmmirele

Many replies address the fact that Jesus and Paul weren’t married or parents. Mohler is a tool. I’ve been married for 19 years and don’t have any children and don’t regret that choice in the least.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:31:43pm

re: #310 Patricia Kayden

Many replies address the fact that Jesus and Paul weren’t married or parents. Mohler is a tool. I’ve been married for 19 years and don’t have any children and don’t regret that choice on the least.

Don’t worry, I gotcha covered. VB will fill in any remaining Lizard gaps.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:32:20pm

re: #293 Belafon

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Loving the ratio.

It’s a biggie. One of the biggest I’ve ever seen.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:32:38pm

re: #299 MsJ

Women are chattel to theocrats. We’re solely a womb. We’re to be subservient to a man; any man.

We don’t matter. Which is why I’ll never be a religious person (and I think religion is silly, no offense meant. Honest.)

None taken. I’m agnostic.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:33:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:33:45pm
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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:34:26pm

re: #309 plansbandc

I want to tell him to fuck off, but I don’t want to be in twitter jail.

I feel you. Next time they’re going to lock me out for good.

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Targetpractice  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:35:57pm

re: #294 mmmirele

Albert Mohler is one of the architects of the swing of Southern Baptist churches to Calvinism. He’s the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) in Louisville. And he’s expressed this abominable opinion before. I let him have it.

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These morons scream that young folks are going out and having kids by the bushel, but tomorrow will whine about “welfare queens” and how their tax dollars are going to promote “sin.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:37:03pm

re: #312 MsJ

Be nice to Judge Roy Moore. I really need him to win the ALGOP nomination.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:40:43pm

re: #293 Belafon

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Loving the ratio.

Loved this one:
“At least @IlhanMN can go to the mall.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:42:35pm

RATIO OF THE DAY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:43:22pm

moron

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:43:56pm

re: #320 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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And you support doing nothing about gun violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:44:30pm

“Age of Trump”

*SPIT*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:45:23pm

“Pardons for Aids”

welp…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:46:20pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Age of Trump”

*SPIT*

Anything less than a 60:40 Dem walkover is a failure.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:46:51pm
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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:47:12pm

re: #302 retired cynic

Enjoying the Comments!!

My favorite:

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:48:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:50:02pm
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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:50:37pm

re: #320 The Pie Overlord!

RATIO OF THE DAY

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Nope. Roy Moore had him beat.

See my re: #312

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:51:24pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

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It was obvious to me from the get go.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:53:52pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a good thread on what happened in court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:54:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:57:52pm
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b.d.  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:59:19pm

re: #308 Decatur Deb

It won’t take him long to get shot if all he brings is a .410.

And he’ll go broke shooting it!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 5:59:24pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jose is a great American. Spain’s loss was our gain. Great restauranteur, better person.

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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:05:24pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Jose is a great American. Spain’s lost was our gain. Great restauranteur, better person.

He qualifies as a saint, as far as I can see.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:06:25pm

re: #337 retired cynic

He qualifies as a saint, as far as I can see.

As close to one there is. If anyone lives by Christ’s example, it’s Jose.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:09:13pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

As close to one there is. If anyone lives by Christ’s example, it’s Jose.

He pulls that water-into-wine shit, there’s going to be an ATF problem.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:09:38pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

He’s no Republican Jesus, that’s for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:10:36pm

re: #340 plansbandc

He’s no Republican Jesus, that’s for sure.

Which is why you never hear about him from the Falwell, Grahams, etc of the world.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:12:13pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

He pulls that water-into-wine shit, there’s going to be an ATF problem.

The Patatas Bravas come close.

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:14:47pm

Soooooooo Trumpian. A home made legal threat.

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Targetpractice  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:16:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:16:59pm

re: #343 MsJ

Soooooooo Trumpian. A home made legal threat.

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It’s amazing that they talk about snowflakes and do this shit. And I can’t see D&S case getting anywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:17:32pm

re: #344 Targetpractice

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False Black Flag

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mmmirele  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:19:13pm

I don’t know if this got mentioned, but yesterday Phoenix turned back two propositions. The first would have stopped light rail extensions. The second would have forced cuts in services such as libraries, parks and homeless shelters. Both were soundly voted down by a nearly 2 to 1 margin.

It appears a Koch Brothers-funded group was involved:

Around the same time the light rail opponents eyed a ballot initiative, leaders of the movement started communicating regularly with the Arizona Free Enterprise Club, which receives significant funding from Charles Koch’s national political nonprofit. Proposition 105 fits in line with a national movement by the Koch network to undermine public transportation projects.

Over 180,000 ballots were cast for a proposition only election in August, which must be some sort of record. ETA: Phoenix has a population of 1,660,000 or thereabouts. The entire county has 4,410,000 people.

phoenixnewtimes.com

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:19:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:20:17pm
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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:20:35pm

re: #344 Targetpractice

This is a quality tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:26:32pm

yes, you should read the thread.

:D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:28:13pm
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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:34:00pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She would run against Trump in the GOP primary, but she might win votes there.

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Targetpractice  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:35:26pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I knew it wouldn’t be long after her public whine about not being granted an exception on the polls threshold before Faux started whining about how the DNC was “excluding” her.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:37:50pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is anyone surprised that Republican Tulsi appears on Tucker’s White Trash Power Hour?

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:47:29pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

I knew it wouldn’t be long after her public whine about not being granted an exception on the polls threshold before Faux started whining about how the DNC was “excluding” her.

Someone will have to point out Gillibrand dropping out.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 6:50:44pm

re: #344 Targetpractice

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Bears in the Bar

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:03:35pm

😢😢😢

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:03:55pm

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:05:06pm

re: #358 MsJ

The only people who I hate as much as tRump are people who trade in their old dogs. Just vile.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:06:31pm

Lawrence retracted.

MAGATS are cranking up the Fake News shit to 11

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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:07:08pm

re: #360 plansbandc

The only people who I hate as much as tRump are people who trade in their old dogs. Just vile.

My dogs are my life. The thought of giving one up kills me. I have no idea how someone can do that. It would be like ripping off a limb.

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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:11:27pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:13:00pm

re: #295 Dread Pirate

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Jay C  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:16:14pm

re: #359 plansbandc

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Who was the teacher? Georgia O’Keeffe?

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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:17:53pm

I have a new appreciation for Benjamin Harrison, courtesy of Charlie Pierce. A good read!

Here’s One Way for the Never Trumpers to Find Redemption

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:21:33pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:24:43pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:31:08pm

The wheels of justice roll slowly along.

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Targetpractice  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:33:43pm

re: #361 Joe Bacon 🌹

Lawrence retracted.

MAGATS are cranking up the Fake News shit to 11

Honestly, I can’t say they’re wrong for doing so. Lawrence violated one of the most basic rules of good journalism by going forward with a story based upon the word of a single source. Dan Rather broke the same rule to push the Killian Memos and we’ve never stopped dragging him for it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:35:41pm

Back from Scottsbluff. The insurance company estimates $1,712 worth of hail damage to my car. After subtracting the $500 deductible, they will pay out the remainder in a cheque.

He says in a message to take the car to a body shop to fix the dents, and if the charge will be more, the shop should call the insurance company.

That said, several shops around here have already said they have months worth of work backed up from the hailstorm.

One part which was damaged was a plastic cowling under the windscreen which is the air intake for the air conditioner and fan. Since our car needs to go in for its regular service at the Mercedes dealer in Denver, I’ll see about having them replace that part.

In the meantime, my wife is looking at electric or electric/gas hybrid cars for a new car. (Our Smart has over 70,000 miles on it.) I asked her on a lark to look up the cost of a Tesla Model 3 (base price is $32,815, or twice the value of our house).

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retired cynic  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:39:55pm

Why Trump doesn’t laugh? Because he is self-delusional.

A Humorless President, by Nancy LeTourneau

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:43:42pm

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:44:49pm

re: #361 Joe Bacon 🌹

Lawrence retracted.

MAGATS are cranking up the Fake News shit to 11

At least he had the decency to acknowledge a mistake. Fox News stays lying.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:48:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:49:39pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Dangling pardons… like participles..

He might not actually do it, but the trial balloon to see just who among his cronies would do so shows just how much of a cult Trump wants. He wants true believers and know nothing racists doing his bidding, regardless of the damage they’re doing to the rule of law because Trump has zero regard for it.

Trump is a lawbreaker every step of the way, and while you’ve got louts like Newt trying to obfuscate and deflect by criticizing Democrats for far less, Newt is silent over Trump’s criminal misconduct, including impeachable offenses for obstruction.

That’s the kind of toady Trump wants.

Saw a bumper sticker on a car in Scottsbluff today: No Newt!

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:52:05pm

Rabbi Shmuly is Shmuly Yankelowitz, not Shmuley Boteach.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:53:12pm

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Latest European model run for Dorian:

Image: 01d926c125828f3b264c9eecbe5f4cd34c1e1c3ee0acf0acf393aa7e83e1b2e7.gif

Track projections can change quite a bit over the next 48 hours. But there looks to be an increasing chance that Dorian will cross Florida into the GoM for a second landfall.

That looks like a strike at or near Mar-a-Grifto.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:57:07pm
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MsJ  Aug 28, 2019 • 7:57:16pm

re: #372 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Good to see you again. We were worried.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:00:22pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There’s a good recruiting tool for the military and diplomatic corps.

Certain government aid programmes require residency in the USA for certain periods of time.

Throughout the history of the country, military personnel, diplomats, scientists, and others stationed overseas by the US government include their children as US residents.

Take that away and you take away the ability of children to use those programmes.

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:04:22pm

re: #367 retired cynic

I have a new appreciation for Benjamin Harrison, courtesy of Charlie Pierce. A good read!

Here’s One Way for the Never Trumpers to Find Redemption

Okay, that was AWESOME!!

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:15:21pm

“We’re respected around the world again, it’s true. A lot of people don’t know it yet.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:24:14pm

re: #71 TedStriker

As a Southerner, I say:

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There’s quite a few of us here at LGF; me, Decatur Deb, Eclectic Cyborg, and more…and “just move” isn’t a rational solution.

I get the same from some people living in Nebraska. “Just move” is not a realistic option for most people.

Skipping the part where my red state pays more in to the feds than it receives back (a rare condition), the idea of “just cut them loose” or something leaves you in a position no different than Republicans claiming the same about places like Puerto Rico.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:25:32pm

Yeah, we know, Donald:

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:26:36pm

re: #385 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I get the same from some people living in Nebraska. “Just move” is not a realistic option for most people.

Skipping the part where my red state pays more in to the feds than it receives back (a rare condition), the idea of “just cut them loose” or something leaves you in a position no different than Republicans claiming the same about places like Puerto Rico.

If we could move, we’d be leaving behind those who truly can’t.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:33:40pm

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

So it seems that some of my grandkids might be 100% Canadian instead of dual US/Canadian.

What a shame. ;)

Can I be one of your grandkids? I’m fifty-nine, but I won’t tell if you don’t.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:07:57pm

re: #371 Targetpractice

Honestly, I can’t say they’re wrong for doing so. Lawrence violated one of the most basic rules of good journalism by going forward with a story based upon the word of a single source. Dan Rather broke the same rule to push the Killian Memos and we’ve never stopped dragging him for it.

Dan Rather has never backed down — to this day he claims the document is genuine. Lawrence isn’t doing that. Also, we don’t have a known forgery at the base of the story, just one that isn’t corroborated… yet.


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