The Teskey Brothers: “Hold Me”

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Hold Me is the first single released from The Teskey Brothers’ new album Run Home Slow – out Friday August 2
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plansbandc  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:42:10pm

Ooh I like these guys. Nice harmony.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:50:15pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Looks like it hits the State Dept Foreign Service and related agencies harder than DoD. They are already less likely to have an extraterritorial hospital than a US military base.

Overseas military bases generally aren’t US territory. They are leased or otherwise occupied by the US.

For example, there is a base hospital at Naval Station/Naval Air Station Rota. It is still a Spanish naval base leased by the USA.

Even Guantanamo Naval Station is leased, even if Cuba doesn’t cash the rent cheques.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:05:06pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Overseas military bases generally aren’t US territory. They are leased or otherwise occupied by the US.

For example, there is a base hospital at Naval Station/Naval Air Station Rota. It is still a Spanish naval base leased by the USA.

Even Guantanamo Naval Station is leased, even if Cuba doesn’t cash the rent cheques.

Yes, but before the McCain rule, base hospitals were considered source of easy, simple citizenship documentation, host-nation wasn’t. Congress had to torque that for McCain, born on the “wrong” end of the canal. Or so they say.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:05:16pm

If only the US still had real diplomats in the State Department. Another Trump failure.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:09:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:11:59pm

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

So it seems that some of my grandkids might be 100% Canadian instead of dual US/Canadian.

What a shame. ;)

Left behind, like the movie:

re: #388 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Can I be one of your grandkids? I’m fifty-nine, but I won’t tell if you don’t.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:19:38pm

re: #381 MsJ

Good to see you again. We were worried.

A Three Hour Tour sent an E-mail to my wife via the LGF Emergency Contact System (her E-mail address in my profile).

I’d been reading along, but didn’t have much to say about what was going on so I didn’t log in.

I didn’t flounce or put up a GBCW message, I just didn’t log in.

Y’all are still stuck with me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:26:11pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP were smart, they could actually fight Trump on this and get him to back down.

Nope. It doesn’t have to be Russian kompromat. It could be Jeffery Epstein kompromat.

I’m still really interested in what Donald Trump told Lindsey Graham at that private golf outing that turned Graham from a powerful opponent into one of his strongest defenders in the Senate in the space of one weekend.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:32:38pm

re: #168 DangerMan

- it’s not just those in service and their spouses (and kids)
- while this may not directly affect their families, they (likely) most have families

that makes it a lot more potential pissed off people

This doesn’t just affect people who are overseas on government orders, for example, a tourist overseas who suddenly goes into premature labour. That child under this policy would not be a citizen, even if both parents are.

It is also unequal treatment concerning military personnel.

If a man is in the military, it would be a hardship but he could send his wife back to the States for the birth.

If a woman is in the military, she cannot leave her post to return to the States for a birth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:41:18pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

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Chuck blocked me when I posted the You Tube link to Naturally Stoned…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:49:46pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Someone posted a CIA example above—same rules. Note my comment that the birth is more likely to be in a host-nation hospital.

Most military bases are not US territory. They are leased land from the host nation.

As an example, if a civilian dependent on a military base commits a crime, they are turned over to the local police for investigation or prosecution.

A child born in a military hospital still needs its parents to apply for a Department of State birth certificate.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 9:56:44pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This doesn’t just affect people who are overseas on government orders, for example, a tourist overseas who suddenly goes into premature labour. That child under this policy would not be a citizen, even if both parents are.

It is also unequal treatment concerning military personnel.

If a man is in the military, it would be a hardship but he could send his wife back to the States for the birth.

If a woman is in the military, she cannot leave her post to return to the States for a birth.

It really only affects children without one US citizen parent that meets the somewhat confusing residency requirement for passing along citizenship.

Child Born Between November 14, 1986, and the Present

If at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the U.S., you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship, with no conditions for keeping it. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the U.S. for at least five years, and at least two of those years must have been after your parent reached the age of 14.

Even with only one U.S. citizen parent, there are still no conditions to keeping your citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and your birth was illegitimate (took place when the parents weren’t married), the same rules apply so long as you were legally legitimated (your father acknowledged paternal responsibility) before your 18th birthday. In addition, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated, in writing, that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

What they’ve done away with is the rule that automatically considers children born to US government employees and US military personnel stationed overseas as being born “inside the US.” It’s still very shitty, in no small part because it actively disincentivizes US citizens who grew up overseas from seeking to apply their valuable linguistic and cultural skills in service of the United States military and diplomatic corps. Those people used to be able to count on their own children automatically becoming citizens if they worked for the US in the very countries where these skills would be most applicable. Now that’s over, and we will suffer a brain drain that directly affects our diplomatic abilities and national security.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:00:43pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

It really only affects children without one US citizen parent that meets the somewhat confusing residency requirement for passing along citizenship.

What they’ve done away with is the rule that automatically considers children born to US government employees and US military personnel stationed overseas as being born “inside the US.” It’s still very shitty, in no small part because it actively disincentivizes US citizens who grew up overseas from seeking to apply their valuable linguistic and cultural skills in service of the United States military and diplomatic corps.

They haven’t just done away with being born “inside the USA.” They’ve done away with citizenship of those children entirely. They have to apply to be naturalised after October 31.

The text is available within this tweet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:02:08pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

It really only affects children without one US citizen parent that meets the somewhat confusing residency requirement for passing along citizenship.

Child Born Between November 14, 1986, and the Present

What they’ve done away with is the rule that automatically considers children born to US government employees and US military personnel stationed overseas as being born “inside the US.” It’s still very shitty, in no small part because it actively disincentivizes US citizens who grew up overseas from seeking to apply their valuable linguistic and cultural skills in service of the United States military and diplomatic corps.

This is what Putin wants and the GOP sellouts are implementing. The US is no longer the indispensable nation. It’s now a laughing stock.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:02:54pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They haven’t just done away with being born “inside the USA.” They’ve done away with citizenship of those children entirely. They have to apply to be naturalised after October 31.

The text is available within this tweet.

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They have not done away with automatic citizenship for children whose parents meet the residency requirement, but for those who only qualified by virtue of their overseas duty station. Like I said its very shitty, but the impact is also being overstated.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:03:28pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

More like the Rage of Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:06:19pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I saw that yesterday in the news.

I eagerly await all the various Christian churches to come out against this blatant flaunting of the I Amendment (who am I kidding).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:06:48pm

My British friends are e-mailing me saying it’s getting dangerous in the streets right now. Over 1 million people have signed the petition opposing BloJo’s proroguing of Parliament.

And they ask me, “We’re out in the streets. Why are Americans STILL sitting on their asses doing nothing?”

I answered, “Plenty of them believe they will be raptured next week. If they don’t believe that then they love seeing Trump kick colored people and gays down.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:07:31pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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I saw that yesterday in the news.

I eagerly await all the various Christian churches to come out against this blatant flaunting of the I Amendment (who am I kidding).

Pennsylvania’s constitution bars nonbelievers from holding public office.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:08:45pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not creepy at all …

What is DARPA trying to do here, start The Initiative from “Buffy the Vampire Slayer?”

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:10:47pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The text is available within this tweet.

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P.S. That’s my tweet. They changed the official interpretation of INA 320, but not INA 322, which applies if the parent hasn’t met the residency requirement to automatically pass on citizenship at birth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:12:45pm

This is the clause in the PA Constitution

No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future
state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his
religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or
place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth.

It was interpreted to keep out of office Socialists such as Darlington Hoopes who was the leader of the Pennsylvania Socialist Party. Hoopes was also an atheist.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:18:18pm

Keep chasing the money instead of America’s national security interest and reap the whirlwind.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:21:50pm

The church across the street from my house had all their north-facing windows (the ones facing my house) replaced today. They were all destroyed by the hailstorm a couple weeks ago.

Strangely, no window was damaged in my house (aside from my car windscreen).

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:21:51pm

The other thing the rule change arguably might do is cast doubt on who is and isn’t a “natural born citizen” for purposes of Presidential eligibility, as that’s never been adjudicated. Ted Cruz ran on the very defensible theory that it doesn’t matter where you were born but whether you were automatically deemed a citizen at birth. It’s arguably the only thing I like about Ted Cruz, for one thing because it means Tammy Duckworth can be President one day.

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teleskiguy  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:22:20pm

Remarkable. 15 days it took her. She travelled across the ocean like people did before the steam age. Courage of one’s convictions, there is no greater current example.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:22:25pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

I don’t see how it excludes anyone. It seems to allow Christians to run for office as if they were prevented before, but what the fuck do I know about english. I still can’t construct a sentence right.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:23:47pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

P.S. That’s my tweet. They changed the official interpretation of INA 320, but not INA 322, which applies if the parent hasn’t met the residency requirement to automatically pass on citizenship at birth.

My apologies.

I note in the statement that even if an American stationed overseas came home and had a child here whilst taking regular leave, living in their own property, the child would still not qualify.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:24:10pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate

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Keep chasing the money instead of America’s national security interest and reap the whirlwind.

That’s insane, in part because even if they agreed I don’t see how we can possibly trust Erdogan’s word in the matter.

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teleskiguy  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:26:32pm

I can count with both hands how many times I’ve been on an airplane. I have friends who fly half dozen times a month.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:26:53pm

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My apologies.

I note in the statement that even if an American stationed overseas came home and had a child here whilst taking regular leave, living in their own property, the child would still not qualify.

In that circumstance the child wouldn’t qualify under INA 320. It would instead qualify by virtue of the 14th Amendment, due to being born inside the actual territory of the United States. Remember, the whole fucking thing was written by lawyers and bureaucrats, who aren’t in the goddamned business of making shit understandable.

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teleskiguy  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:27:26pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:29:21pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

It wouldn’t qualify under INA 320. It would instead qualify by virtue of being born in the US. Remember, the whole fucking thing was written by lawyers and bureaucrats, who aren’t in the goddamned business of making shit understandable.

I suspect there will be lawsuits flying from civil libertarian groups, based on precedent, the XIV Amendment (especially concerning women stationed overseas), &c.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:31:50pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I suspect there will be lawsuits flying from civil libertarian groups, based on precedent, the XIV Amendment (especially concerning women stationed overseas), &c.

One last time, they only made a change to INA 320. They didn’t alter any other aspect of immigration law, or attempt to subvert the 14th Amendment (yet.)

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Dread Pirate  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:34:41pm

ha ha ha

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 28, 2019 • 10:47:35pm

re: #35 Dread Pirate

The origin story in the upcoming Joker borrows from Alan Moore’s “The Killing Joke”, which is probably one of the most influential one-shot comics of all time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:04:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 28, 2019 • 11:05:27pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

One last time, they only made a change to INA 320. They didn’t alter any other aspect of immigration law, or attempt to subvert the 14th Amendment (yet.)

It’s still unequal treatment of women versus men (particularly in the military).

A man stationed overseas could (with some unnecessary expense) send his wife back to the USA.

A woman stationed overseas cannot abandon her post just because she’s pregnant.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:01:32am

re: #18 Joe Bacon 🌹

My British friends are e-mailing me saying it’s getting dangerous in the streets right now. Over 1 million people have signed the petition opposing BloJo’s proroguing of Parliament.

And they ask me, “We’re out in the streets. Why are Americans STILL sitting on their asses doing nothing?”

I answered, “Plenty of them believe they will be raptured next week. If they don’t believe that then they love seeing Trump kick colored people and gays down.”

I have a glibertarian-wingnut acquaintance over in Essex. He wavers between pretty decent, and falling into the Fox News Bottomless Pit of Derp.

Lately, even he has been wavering on Brexit, mainly because he’s starting to realize that all the promises and “facts” that he was fed are complete and utter bullshit.

Now, if I can just get him to take the next *teeny tiny step* away from Ayn Rand, I’ll be getting somewhere.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:01:52am

Dammit. I killed the thread.

Sorry.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:05:20am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:05:33am

re: #39 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I have a glibertarian-wingnut acquaintance over in Essex. He wavers between pretty decent, and falling into the Fox News Bottomless Pit of Derp.

Lately, even he has been wavering on Brexit, mainly because he’s starting to realize that all the promises and “facts” that he was fed are complete and utter bullshit.

Now, if I can just get him to take the next *teeny tiny step* away from Ayn Rand, I’ll be getting somewhere.

What may also be influencing your Essex acquaintance is the fact that Brexit was sold by its proponents as “the easiest deal in history” and that “of course there’d be a deal with the EU…..a no-deal crashout is impossible” among other things.

But now, those same proponents have moved the Brexit goalposts so fast the goalposts may as well be mounted on atomic-powered rocketsleds.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:07:49am

re: #40 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Dammit. I killed the thread.

Sorry.

Threads don’t die right away. A lot of times they just go dormant.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:08:19am

All threads do die, though. Like anything living.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:19:16am

Will there be a Frontier season 4 on Netflix?

The viewers and the audience are yet to get Netflix’s official status concerning the renewal of the series. Nevertheless, the sources are suggesting that Jason Momoa is gearing up to display his acting and action prowess in the fourth season.

Recently, Jason Momoa did make a mention about the development of the fourth series via an Instagram post. The post does give a little insight into the series. According to Momoa, the fourth season is going to get dark and gritty.

Back in January 2019, Jason Mamoa visited his hometown, Iowa. On the other hand, he said that he would soon head to Vancouver. The avid fans of Frontier know that the filming of the show is done in Vancouver. Stay tuned for more updates on Frontier Season 4.

hmmm…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:44:15am

Wonderbitch at Wonkette gets a cease-and-desist letter from Talc and Burlap:

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Chrysicat  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:44:41am

re: #44 teleskiguy

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread die a natural death here, though. If it’s the latest thread, people will drop the latest news (especially political news) on it, since Pages. Never. Get. Comments. And. Rarely. Get. Votes.

I don’t really have a problem with the first part of that, and I’m not sure I have a problem at all with the second part except inasmuch as it means I really don’t want to have to remember enough formatting commands to Page anything.

But the fact that I ran into someone telling me I ran things off-topic says that I’m not of a monolithic viewpoint there?

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Chrysicat  Aug 29, 2019 • 12:47:35am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 1:18:30am

The biggest threat today was not driving through tennis ball-sized hail.

Driving through town, I had to drive through a herd of Nubian goats. They would not cede the street to my car; apparently they thought they could take us.

My wife raised Nubian goats at one time, and thought the herd was cute. I told her I thought they would look good on skewers; she slapped me.

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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 1:28:09am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The biggest threat today was not driving through tennis ball-sized hail.

Driving through town, I had to drive through a herd of Nubian goats. They would not cede the street to my car; apparently they thought they could take us.

My wife raised Nubian goats at one time, and thought the herd was cute. I told her I thought they would look good on skewers; she slapped me.

Oh man, the puns could write themselves here…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 1:34:47am

re: #50 ckkatz

Oh man, the puns could write themselves here…

Baaaaa.

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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 1:40:03am

No butts about it…

By the way, and no slight to Nebraska intended, but I am intrigued as to why there happened to be a herd of Nubian Goats in a village in rural Nebraska?

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 1:54:58am

re: #52 ckkatz

No butts about it…

By the way, and no slight to Nebraska intended, but I am intrigued as to why there happened to be a herd of Nubian Goats in a village in rural Nebraska?

That’s how we rake the forests in California.

Raking the forest
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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:01:36am

Yes, I had read some place about how goats were excellent at clearing out brush from tracts of land. Sounds like they have become commercial operations.

And, I have been seeing goat cheese for a while. But have recently started seeing (in the Washington DC Region) a few restaurants offering goat meat entree’s.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:07:20am

When they’re done the hills look pretty much like this…

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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:12:43am

I got curious about where that picture was from. Particularly with the peek of water in the background. So I did google image search. Which, while it could not find that specific picture, brought up a heck of a lot of pictures of goat herds in brown landscapes stripped of foliage.

Which comes directly back to your point about what goats do to landscapes if not well managed.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:18:11am

re: #56 ckkatz

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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:22:19am

re: #57 Dread Pirate

I was kind of curious because the picture reminded me of the area around the Sea of Galilee.

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ckkatz  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:24:59am

Well, off to greet the new day. bbl

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:26:12am

Shameless page promotion:

Democrats Adopt Resolution Embracing Religiously-Unaffiliated (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:33:45am

re: #4 Dread Pirate

Pompeo and Trump are perfectly okay with the North Korean dictator and with the murderous Saudi Arabian regime. Why are they pretending to care about democratic leadership in Iran?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:38:56am

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Pompeo and Trump are perfectly okay with the North Korean dictator and with the murderous Saudi Arabian regime. Why are they pretending to care about democratic leadership in Iran?

Because The Mustache cares.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:51:16am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Added to my post as I discovered the Democratic Party of Massachusetts passed a similar resolution last November. That is available at the American Humanist Association here.

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makeitstop  Aug 29, 2019 • 2:59:14am

It’s our last day in Vienna, we’re going back to NY tomorrow morning.

My wife and I got to the Spanish Riding School early enough to watch an hour of the Lippizaner morning workout. They did nothing fancy, because we learned yesterday that in the summer months the older horses are sent to the country for vacation, and the workouts are mostly for the younger horses (they don’t start training a horse until he’s 4 years old). They did mostly Dressage, but it was still pretty awesome to see them cantor and trot. The horses are magnificent and the riders have an incredible control of their horses.

Fun fact: the riding school has been using the same training methods for over 450 years - a little longer than we’ve had a country.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:01:13am
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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:05:07am

re: #65 Dread Pirate

I had a comment for that but I forgot.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:06:19am

Oh yeah, “Nobody expects Fox News to be factual.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:11:08am

re: #65 Dread Pirate

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Hannity did the Seth Rich shit. I really don’t want to hear FNC and other right wingers attack O’Donnell on this but alas I know they will.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:14:09am

That article on President Harrison was fascinating. Have a new appreciation for him. I knew he was known for also fighting hard for Union veterans too. So here’s to you President Harrison.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:15:12am

re: #64 makeitstop

I’d love to take a tour of Austria.

Alas, that takes money.

I won the lotto yesterday; I won a free ticket in the Pick 5 and $2 in the Pick 3.

At that rate I can probably go to Austria in 2350. /s

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:16:45am

Dorian update. The arc of justice is bending south towards Mar-a-lago. It is now tracking 22 miles south of previous update.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:18:19am

re: #65 Dread Pirate

Narrator: Dr. Maddow is not the same. She brings sources into every broadcast.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:21:33am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Narrator: Dr. Maddow is not the same. She brings sources into every broadcast.

BOTH SIDES!!1

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:24:58am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:26:40am

Beto correctly imo knew that Pollack would misrepresent both him and the HBCU students so he understandably didn’t want him and Breitbart there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:34:30am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

LOL

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:37:47am

If you ever go to Yosemite on Highway 120 take the Old Priest Grade Rd. shortcut. Uphill you had better have good cooling and downhill you need good brakes and a low gear, but it will save a good 40 minutes and a few hundred twists and turns.

YouTube

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:40:56am

re: #77 Dread Pirate

If you ever go to Yosemite on Highway 120 take the Old Priest Grade Rd. shortcut. Uphill you had better have good cooling and downhill you need good brakes and a low gear, but it will save a good 40 minutes and a few hundred twists and turns.

Posted speed limit: 25mph (40 k/h).

I wonder how often that guard rail gets wiped out?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 3:50:30am

(video, 8:15)

Preacher “Coach” Dave Daubenmire questions the validity of the Holocaust.

Right-wing catnip here.

I’m sure Christian church organisations will line up around the block to condemn his statem- buawhahahah I know better than that.

(Caution for adult four-letter words which have evil magical powers like incantations for many conservative Christians, goes to Utah Outcasts):

Coach Dave Daubenmire Questions the Validity of the Holocaust

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:03:08am

I turned on my weather radio for a forecast, and for some reason I am getting a skip signal from Kansas which is overriding the station in Angora (thirty miles away, 1 kW).

I know now that southwestern Kansas has a significant chance of thunderstorms later today and tonight. That’s not very helpful to me here though.

Looking at the NWS Website, we have a 60% chance of severe thunderstorms Friday night.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:09:19am

Roy Moore calls for Omar to go back from ‘whence she came’ (The Hill)

She’s not banned from malls, Mr. Moore.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:12:15am

He’s awake:

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:19:34am

I’m gonna save time and just lay it out straight: Defending Lawrence by pointing to Faux is not a good look. As already noted, Faux is not generally expected outside of its viewership to be honest or fair, so saying “They lie their asses off and get away with it!” doesn’t make it look good when we’re willing to accept the same if it hurts Trump. At best, he jumped the gun and got shot for it. At worst, he deliberately went to the air with an unverified story because it had an anti-Trump tagline. There’s no really good defense of his decision-making.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:36:12am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:44:50am

This ought to help piss off Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:47:36am

I’m off to bed. Good night (morning) y’all.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:47:37am

Daybreak over Dorian:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:57:40am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Farmers’ loyalty to Trump tested over new corn-ethanol rules

The trigger wasn’t Trump’s China tariffs, but the waivers the administration granted this month to 31 oil refineries so they don’t have to blend ethanol into their gasoline.

Trump shows his true loyalties again

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 4:58:03am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This ought to help piss off Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska:

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The deeply buried lede: No matter how much Donny pisses off these farmers, they’re still going to support him in 2020 because they’re like battered spouses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:00:23am

re: #89 Targetpractice

The deeply buried lede: No matter how much Donny pisses off these farmers, they’re still going to support him in 2020 because they’re like battered spouses.

They can never be convinced to vote democratic, but this might dampen the enthusiasm of many of them to actively get out and vote for him again. The GOP strategy calls for very high voter turnout among the devoted base.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:03:11am

NHC model output:

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jeffreyw  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:09:03am

Good morning!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:16:34am

re: #89 Targetpractice

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know farmers who are not Trumpers. But the problem is that there are probably more Trumper farmers in the BigAg states than non-Trumper farmers.

What many coastal elite seem unaware - that the organization Farm Bureau is one of the most important lobbyists in DC and even more importantly in several medium to small population states. The organization has supported Republicans in recent years as rural America has become the America of Resentment.

This has had profound influence in American politics, much more so than the Koch brothers, etc., which are favorite targets of progressive activists.

The farmers I know who are not Trumpers lament this influence of FB, because if FB supports Trump than that will sway many farmers.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:26:18am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Thank goodness Puerto Rico got spared the worst of Dorian. The Virgin Islands got hit, but not as hard as it could have been since the storm only began to strengthen while over the area - unlike during Maria when it was roaring away as a major hurricane.

Now, Dorian gets to strengthen as it heads towards the central Florida coast.

So of course Trump has to make it about himself.

It’s his brand. It’s what he does.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:29:23am

re: #93 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I know farmers who are not Trumpers. But the problem is that there are probably more Trumper farmers in the BigAg states than non-Trumper farmers.

What many coastal elite seem unaware - that the organization Farm Bureau is one of the most important lobbyists in DC and even more importantly in several medium to small population states. The organization has supported Republicans in recent years as rural America has become the America of Resentment.

Trump’s loyalty is more to big agriculture, the farmers are just held up as some sort of idealized front-line soldiers in the trade war, and all too many are eager to assume that role, along with their coal mining brothers in WVA and PA

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:35:07am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump’s loyalty is more to big agriculture, the farmers are just held up as some sort of idealized front-line soldiers in the trade war, and all too many are eager to assume that role, along with their coal mining brothers in WVA and PA

Apparently an average of two dairy farms per day are going out of business in Wisconsin. But many of them are subsequently being bought up by large ag operations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:36:49am

victory lap:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:39:10am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why I never jump on the stories from O’Donnell, or frankly most of the talking heads. Rachel seems to insist on a more strategic approach to the stories she runs, but all too often the problem with TV talking heads is that they are not ready to backup their claims.

Frankly, I suspect that O’Donnell is more correct than wrong, but unless one is going to defend the hill one takes, then one shouldn’t climb the hill.

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Citizen K  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:39:45am

re: #18 Joe Bacon 🌹

My British friends are e-mailing me saying it’s getting dangerous in the streets right now. Over 1 million people have signed the petition opposing BloJo’s proroguing of Parliament.

And they ask me, “We’re out in the streets. Why are Americans STILL sitting on their asses doing nothing?”

I answered, “Plenty of them believe they will be raptured next week. If they don’t believe that then they love seeing Trump kick colored people and gays down.”

re: #39 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I have a glibertarian-wingnut acquaintance over in Essex. He wavers between pretty decent, and falling into the Fox News Bottomless Pit of Derp.

Lately, even he has been wavering on Brexit, mainly because he’s starting to realize that all the promises and “facts” that he was fed are complete and utter bullshit.

Now, if I can just get him to take the next *teeny tiny step* away from Ayn Rand, I’ll be getting somewhere.

Also, I would like to note that in many cases, people really are there out on the streets. The problem is…if a tree falls in the forest, and no one covers it falling, did it really fall?

I’d also note that on top of that, the size of the US means that even big things happening in our major cities won’t necessarily filter out into national news because of how disparate the impact and viewership markets can be. And usually unless something goes national, it won’t be going international either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:40:03am

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:42:33am

re: #98 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This is why I never jump on the stories from O’Donnell, or frankly most of the talking heads. Rachel seems to insist on a more strategic approach to the stories she runs, but all too often the problem with TV talking heads is that they are not ready to backup their claims.

Frankly, I suspect that O’Donnell is more correct than wrong, but unless one is going to defend the hill one takes, then one shouldn’t climb the hill.

given how dangerous it is to accept anything about Trump from outside sources without thorough vetting, I surprised (and angry) that O’Donnell did this. He has to be aware that there’s always the potential for a set-up (even if that’s not what happened in this case).

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:48:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:58:10am

That first bullet-point policy highlight: does that address the Russian and Chinese women who come here to have their babies? Or is it just some sort of vague anchor baby thing?

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retired cynic  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:58:33am

Judd Legum’s Popular Information (popular.info) has another great post: this time about Facebook’s responses to criticism about their running political ads: Move slow and break things

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:59:43am
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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 5:59:45am

For me, the big problem is that the story wasn’t even all that earth-shattering to begin with. It would have been a big story if the tax return DB is holding onto were far out of line with the ones submitted to the IRS, which would be bombshell evidence that Trump is engaged in tax fraud. But the whole Russian co-signers business just isn’t really that explosive a story because…well…nobody outside of his base believes he has a shred of credibility left. And it’s been pretty much a given for a good while now that he’s indebted to the Russians if not Putin personally.

This just wasn’t a story worth gambling on a single source, no matter how “reliable” that source may be.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:01:23am

If Lawrence is lying, show the loan docs and prove it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:12:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:17:07am
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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:24:04am

re: #98 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

EVERY reporter makes a mistake. O’Donnell’s mistake is not getting the story wrong. He pulled it deciding that their wasn’t sufficient sourcing. And that’s probably because the people at the top got cold feet. Imagine, from watching All the President’s Men, if the Washington Post had applied that to the Watergate investigation.

As for referring to Hannity, any reference to them is just to point out they need to STFU.

We hand wring way too much, and sit there trying so hard to make sure we’re not wrong that the right uses it against us. It’s the same thing that is happening with climate change: scientists have worked so hard to try to make their science unassailable that it looks like their conservative model may be under predicting what is going to happen.

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Citizen K  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:30:20am

re: #110 Belafon

EVERY reporter makes a mistake. O’Donnell’s mistake is not getting the story wrong. He pulled it deciding that their wasn’t sufficient sourcing. And that’s probably because the people at the top got cold feet. Imagine, from watching All the President’s Men, if the Washington Post had applied that to the Watergate investigation.

As for referring to Hannity, any reference to them is just to point out they need to STFU.

We hand wring way too much, and sit there trying so hard to make sure we’re not wrong that the right uses it against us. It’s the same thing that is happening with climate change: scientists have worked so hard to try to make their science unassailable that it looks like their conservative model may be under predicting what is going to happen.

To note:

Unfortunately, the reality is in the current atmosphere, we have to be unimpeachable in what we say or it’ll be hung around our necks like a millstone, whereas the right can throw shit on the wall and see it immediately stick because of credulous media double standards.

It’s awful, it’s galling, it sucks and it means our own good faith is constantly weaponized against us. But that’s reality. And the worst thing is that if this does end up shown true in the end, it won’t matter, because the narrative has already called it a scurrilous lie and thus any proof for the matter will be treated as worse lies than anything Trump has said.

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carey94tt  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:33:42am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🎃

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The biggest threat today was not driving through tennis ball-sized hail.

Driving through town, I had to drive through a herd of Nubian goats. They would not cede the street to my car; apparently they thought they could take us.

My wife raised Nubian goats at one time, and thought the herd was cute. I told her I thought they would look good on skewers; she slapped me.

I ran into a herd or goats crossing I270 in West St. Louis two days ago. 270 is 10 lanes with a large barrier in the middle. Not sure what the goats were planning. Good times.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:34:59am

re: #112 carey94tt

It’s the feral hog takeover ahogalypse that we have to watch for.

Yes, The Feral Hogs Are Indeed Coming For Your Children - SOME BOAR NEWS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:44:56am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:48:14am
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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:48:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:49:07am

good fucking grief

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:51:17am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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moron

What “end product”? The “end product” that may never happen because Xi can just keep dragging all this out past next November, Donny? Bear in mind that he doesn’t have to run for reelection, you do.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:53:25am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

(video, 8:15)

Preacher “Coach” Dave Daubenmire questions the validity of the Holocaust.

Right-wing catnip here.

I’m sure Christian church organisations will line up around the block to condemn his statem- buawhahahah I know better than that.

(Caution for adult four-letter words which have evil magical powers like incantations for many conservative Christians, goes to Utah Outcasts):

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F him G him HIJKLMNOP his sorry racist ass!

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 29, 2019 • 6:59:27am

JFC

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retired cynic  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:03:12am

M27: Not a Comet

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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:04:27am

The NYT can’t distinguish between news sites and propaganda outlets, probably because it’s blurred those lines itself:

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:07:08am

re: #122 Belafon

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Hey Matt, ya’ll sat pretty fucking silently while one of your own (Acosta) was ejected from the White House Press Room for the high crime of asking too many pointed questions. So feel free to blow your “freedom of the press” whine out your ass.

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makeitstop  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:08:18am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’d love to take a tour of Austria.

Alas, that takes money.

I won the lotto yesterday; I won a free ticket in the Pick 5 and $2 in the Pick 3.

At that rate I can probably go to Austria in 2350. /s

We set up shop in Vienna’s City Center last Thursday, and except for a day trip to Budapest on Sunday we’ve been extensively using the excellent public transit system and walking a lot - we’ve been averaging about 7 miles a day.

My wife is in love with this city. It’s the first place we’ve visited that she says she could imagine herself living in.

I like Vienna because from what I’ve seen on the streets they are virulently anti-Nazi. ‘Antifa’ is not a derogatory term here, not by a long shot.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:09:01am

re: #122 Belafon

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What credentials Deadbart as a “news site”? Is LGF a credentialed news site? Where do you get this credentialing? Who vets it? What is the criteria?

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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:11:38am

re: #111 Citizen K

To note:

Unfortunately, the reality is in the current atmosphere, we have to be unimpeachable in what we say or it’ll be hung around our necks like a millstone, whereas the right can throw shit on the wall and see it immediately stick because of credulous media double standards.

It’s awful, it’s galling, it sucks and it means our own good faith is constantly weaponized against us. But that’s reality. And the worst thing is that if this does end up shown true in the end, it won’t matter, because the narrative has already called it a scurrilous lie and thus any proof for the matter will be treated as worse lies than anything Trump has said.

The problem I see is that we’re reaching for the millstone and wearing it as a badge. “Look, we’re above reproach.” That doesn’t always help. Being so afraid that we’ll be called wrong that we refuse to take chances means we’re not standing up to the people that need to be stood up to.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:13:04am

re: #122 Belafon

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Matt gets off on endlessly kissing Trump’s ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:14:21am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:14:55am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Trump gets off the hook again…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:17:14am

Richard Painter doesn’t back down.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:19:47am

Inspector General Report on Comey. Nothing to prosecute because he didn’t do anything criminal.

Comey did nothing wrong. That Trump talking point wont die because it’s a belief among right wingers and Trumpworld, but the fact is Comey didn’t leak information.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:21:25am

re: #131 lawhawk

don’t hold your breath

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:21:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:24:17am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:26:15am

Merry Christmas, everyone!

The Trump administration on Wednesday made official its extra 5% tariff on $300 billion in Chinese imports and set collection dates of Sept. 1 and Dec. 15, prompting hundreds of U.S. retail, footwear, toy and technology companies to warn of price hikes.

The U.S. Trade Representative’s office said in an official notice that collections of a 15% tariff will begin at 12:01 a.m. EDT (0401 GMT) Sunday on a portion of the list covering over $125 billion of targeted goods from China.

This initial tranche includes smartwatches, Bluetooth headphones, flat panel televisions and many types of footwear.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection will also start collecting a 15% tariff on Dec. 15 on the remainder of the $300 billion list, including cellphones, laptop computers, toys and clothing, USTR said in the Federal Register filing.

Needless to say, retailers aren’t pleased:

Hundreds of retailers, footwear companies and business groups urged Trump to scrap the proposed tariffs, warning they would jack up consumer prices and trigger job losses.

More than 200 U.S. footwear companies on Wednesday said the added 15% duties on shoes would come on top of tariffs that already average 11% and reach 67% on some shoes, boosting costs for consumers by $4 billion every year.

“Imposing tariffs in September on the majority of all footwear products from China - including nearly every type of leather shoe - will make it impossible for hardworking American individuals and families to escape the harm that comes from these tax increases,” the companies wrote in a letter to Trump.

More than 160 other business groups, including the National Retail Federation, Retail Industry Leaders Association and Association of Equipment Manufacturers, also urged Trump to postpone the tariffs, warning they would hit Americans in the middle of the busy holiday shopping season.

finance.yahoo.com

Looks like President Trump has declared war on Christmas.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:31:11am

re: #131 lawhawk

Inspector General Report on Comey. Nothing to prosecute because he didn’t do anything criminal.

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Comey did nothing wrong. That Trump talking point wont die because it’s a belief among right wingers and Trumpworld, but the fact is Comey didn’t leak information.

We’ve been here before, we know how the spin is going to go. They’ll twist the law to say that an acknowledgment that he released the memos is an acknowledgment that he broke the laws concerning the handling of classified info, that the DOJ has enough to prosecute him, and that deciding not to do so does not mean he’s been “cleared.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:31:58am

re: #122 Belafon

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He had every right to do that especially since it was a private event.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:33:04am

Groupthink:

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sagehen  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:33:16am

re: #124 makeitstop

We set up shop in Vienna’s City Center last Thursday, and except for a day trip to Budapest on Sunday we’ve been extensively using the excellent public transit system and walking a lot - we’ve been averaging about 7 miles a day.

People in Vienna have to walk a lot, because their pastry is… well, you’re there. You know. Descriptions and/or photos would be welcome.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:36:16am

re: #138 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Explains why I knew so many Jennifers when I was in high school and college. They were all born starting in around 1969/1970.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:38:52am

Not working for me. But lots of Jessicas I remember.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:39:30am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Explains why I knew so many Jennifers when I was in high school and college. They were all born starting in around 1969/1970.

My wife was born in ‘62, and her name is Lisa (the most given name of that year). She said there were 4 other Lisa’s in her class in school.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:39:55am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:41:46am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:41:55am

re: #143 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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See, also what Republicans do with DMV offices and voter id laws on the state level.

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Citizen K  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:42:12am

re: #143 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s all bullet points narrowing down the franchise of citizenship. It’s chipping away the foundations until they can scrap jus soli altogether.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:42:14am

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Fundies are weird.

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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:43:50am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Explains why I knew so many Jennifers when I was in high school and college. They were all born starting in around 1969/1970.

That was a thing when I was in college in ‘88, noting how many Jennifers we knew. We actually created a list, not of the actual Jennifers, but how many each of us knew. I calculated, at the time, that I knew eight. Someone had eleven.

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BigPapa  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:46:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:47:10am

re: #148 Belafon

That was a thing when I was in college in ‘88, noting how many Jennifers we knew. We actually created a list, not of the actual Jennifers, but how many each of us knew. I calculated, at the time, that I knew eight. Someone had eleven.

In my high school (graduated in ‘87), I knew ten Jennifers and we all graduated that year.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:51:43am

Cool bit of marine archaeology news:

For more than 170 years, the HMS Terror rested beneath the frigid waters of the Canadian Arctic Ocean holding the secrets to an infamously fatal expedition - until a sunny day earlier this month, when a little robot plunged into the sea to try to find them.

On a cable, Canadian and Inuit researchers guided it to the shipwreck and below the deck, eager to see what the remote-controlled underwater vehicle might find. It would mark the first major exploration of the doomed ship since dozens of men abandoned it after it became trapped in ice during a dangerous 1845 mission to chart the Northwest Passage.

There were no survivors, and both the Terror and its sister ship, the HMS Erebus, disappeared beneath the icy surface, where they would stay until 2014 and 2016, when each ship was discovered.

Now, the Inuit and Canadian governments announced Wednesday, researchers are a step closer to unravelling the enduring mystery of the disasters: Inside the HMS Terror, the robot-like underwater explorer found a ship so well preserved that its artifacts seemed to be “essentially frozen in time,” Parks Canada said.

stuff.co.nz

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:57:19am

AHEM…
When, not if

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garzooma  Aug 29, 2019 • 7:59:36am

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Honestly it’s hard to imagine a more personal or effective way of shitting on critical government employees, lowering morale and compromising US national security interests than attacking their children like this.”
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Attacking children is their brand:

‘I feel like I’m signing my son’s death warrant.’ Children at Boston hospitals face deportation

Severely ill immigrants, including children with cancer, cystic fibrosis, and other grave conditions, are facing deportation under a change in Trump administration policy that immigration advocates are calling cruel and inhumane.

The policy change will affect at least a dozen children receiving treatment at Boston hospitals and potentially thousands of additional immigrants across the country, according to lawyers and advocates. All had been granted “medical deferred action,” a special status that allows immigrants to remain in the country legally, receive Medicaid, and work while they receive treatment for dire health conditions.

Beginning last week, lawyers for some of these immigrants received boilerplate letters from Citizenship and Immigration Services informing them the agency’s field offices will no longer consider applications for renewal under the program. Exceptions will be made only for military families.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:01:00am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

AHEM…
When, not if

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Can I get that in writing? Signed in blood and witnessed by people outside her campaign?

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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:03:35am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Can I get that in writing? Signed in blood and witnessed by people outside her campaign?

With the same type of binding spell used on Snape.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:04:31am

TX-22 seat

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:05:05am
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BlueGrl21  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:06:49am

re: #138 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Groupthink:

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This is why being named Jennifer in 1972 was a cruel, cruel thing my parents did.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:08:54am

re: #158 BlueGrl21

This is why being named Jennifer in 1972 was a cruel, cruel thing my parents did.

ANOTHER ONE!!

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makeitstop  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:09:22am

re: #139 sagehen

People in Vienna have to walk a lot, because their pastry is… well, you’re there. You know. Descriptions and/or photos would be welcome.

Yes, pastries. I’ve had a few. But then again, too few to mention…. :)

But my wife went out and got me an immense creampuff on Monday. It was absolutely scrumptious.

We started the week by taking a cooking class where we made Tafelspitz. The chef who gave the class was so grateful we didn’t ask to make Schnitzel (which apparently every American coming to his classes does) that he took us on a walking tour of the Naschmarkt yesterday, and then came to our apartment with a nice Bundt cake and we sat and talked about Vienna’s upcoming elections and the state of Europe in general.

So many echoes of the situation in the US - frustrated country folk, resentment of urban areas, low info voters, a fascist candidate promising rubes the moon, a liberal party that seems hesitant to get their hands dirty, and a populace that maybe isn’t quite ready to elect a competent female leader.

His prognosis - Austria is likely doomed.

Re photos: I’m up to over 1000 photos as of today. I’m currently viewing and sizing them. Not sure whether I’ll get any of them on line until the weekend.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:13:30am

Rockland County (NY) Republicans just put out an ad crying that their “Way of Life” is being threatened by…. families like mine.
But complain some more about Ilhan & Rashida.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:13:56am

ARRRGH. Fuck this fucking terrible, awful, horrible no fucking good President and his fucking terrible, awful, horrible no fucking good Administration!!!

The Trump administration will announce on Thursday plans to weaken regulation on climate-changing methane emissions, CNBC has confirmed.

The Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed rule would loosen restrictions on oil and gas sites to monitor and repair methane leaks from pipelines and storage facilities. The standards enacted under former President Barack Obama required oil and gas companies to install controls to curb those emissions.
The new rule would be the latest move by the Trump administration to roll back Obama-era emission regulations on major oil and gas industries, which are the main source of methane emissions in the U.S.

Carbon dioxide is the most substantial greenhouse gas, and methane is the second. However, methane has 80 times the heat-trapping capability of carbon dioxide during the first 20 years in the atmosphere and accounts for nearly 10% of the country’s greenhouse gas emissions.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:16:02am

Remember those “high-level talks” with China that Trump was babbling about Monday?

Yeah, as always, he was full of shit.

On Monday morning, President Trump told reporters in Biarritz, France, that “China called last night” and said they want to resume trade talks, later elaborating that two “high-level” Chinese officials had called to try and restart stalled negotiations. He turned to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for backup, and Mnuchin said there had been “communication,” later amending it to “communications.”

Well, “aides privately conceded the phone calls Trump described didn’t happen they way he said they did,” CNN reported Wednesday. “Instead, two officials said Trump was eager to project optimism that might boost markets, and conflated comments from China’s vice premier with direct communication from the Chinese.”

Trump is agitated, CNN reports, because “the economy is flashing warning signs Trump didn’t expect, his trade war with China is dragging on months longer than expected yet he refuses to give in,” and he’s “spinning to find victories to sell to voters.” The voters may be fooled — China apparently isn’t.

theweek.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:16:55am

re: #161 The Pie Overlord!

Rockland County (NY) Republicans just put out an ad crying that their “Way of Life” is being threatened by…. families like mine.
But complain some more about Ilhan & Rashida.

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JFC.

That video has terrible production values too. Must have been made in iMovie or some shit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:16:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:17:29am

Oh, and even better!

The Trump administration amid the U.S.-China trade war is apparently examining the “loony” idea of going to Beijing with century-old debt obligations.

Owners of 100-year-old Chinese bonds have been asking President Trump to get Beijing to honor them, Bloomberg reports, with the administration currently “studying” this “unlikely prospect.” This debt hasn’t been recognized by the People’s Republic of China, but Trump, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross have reportedly held meetings with bondholders to discuss it.

In fact, Jonna Bianco, who is leading an organization that’s been lobbying Trump in hopes that these bonds can become an unexpected tool in the U.S.-China trade war, suggested to Bloomberg that these debt obligations adjust to about as much as the U.S.’ $1 trillion debt to China. “What’s wrong with paying China with their own paper?” she asked.

Still, Duke University law professor Mitu Gulati told Bloomberg that “I think everyone who works for Trump at the Treasury Department thinks this is loony,” although Gulati couldn’t help but be intrigued, “because at a legal level these are perfectly valid debts.” So could the U.S. really gain an upper hand in its trade war with China thanks to a bunch of people riffling through their attics looking for dusty old pieces of paper? Probably not, but for 2019, it sounds about right.

Also from theweek.com

Summon the meteors.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:17:40am

re: #161 The Pie Overlord!

Rockland County (NY) Republicans just put out an ad crying that their “Way of Life” is being threatened by…. families like mine.
But complain some more about Ilhan & Rashida.

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Tired of this ssshhhaaavvviiinnnggg cream…

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:19:02am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

Remember those “high-level talks” with China that Trump was babbling about Monday?

Yeah, as always, he was full of shit.

theweek.com

Translation: Trump knowingly bullshitted the press in order to goose the market’s numbers.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:19:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:19:46am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Translation: Trump knowingly bullshitted the press in order to goose the market’s numbers.

That’s exactly what he did.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:20:25am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

That video has terrible production values too. Must have been made in iMovie or some shit.

Leni Reifenstahl was not available.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:20:35am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

TX-22 seat

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The administration is boiling the frog slowly. They’re probably also rolling out policy changes in such poorly explained ways deliberately, knowing that they’ll be misinterpreted and thus giving conservatives ammunition to argue against constant liberal overreaction. It’s deliberate exhaustion as a tactic and unfortunately it works.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:20:35am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Translation: Trump knowingly bullshitted the press in order to goose the market’s numbers.

You’d think at some point the financial analysts would realize he’s full of shit and NOT take any damn thing he says at face value.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:20:59am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Translation: Trump knowingly bullshitted the press in order to goose the market’s numbers.

And he probably put a bunch of cash into options to profit off of this!

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:21:44am

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

And he probably put a bunch of cash into option to profit off of this!

I think it’s safe to say that one or more persons connected to this admin just made a killing on Monday.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:23:23am

In my #166, the thought just occurred to me that those 100-year-old bonds, the ones that Trump is thinking of billing China for?

Well, there’s only one problem with that. The government that issued those bonds a century ago isn’t in China anymore.

It’s in Taiwan.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:24:06am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:25:00am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

In my #166, the thought just occurred to me that those 100-year-old bonds, the ones that Trump is thinking of billing China for?

Well, there’s only one problem with that. The government that issued those bonds a century ago isn’t in China anymore.

It’s in Taiwan.

Which is why the Chinese will probably tell Trump to go fuck himself if he actually tries to do this.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:26:20am

re: #161 The Pie Overlord!

When are we allowed to start calling Republicans “Nazis”?

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:26:41am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

In my #166, the thought just occurred to me that those 100-year-old bonds, the ones that Trump is thinking of billing China for?

Well, there’s only one problem with that. The government that issued those bonds a century ago isn’t in China anymore.

It’s in Taiwan.

It’s the same as those Cubanos still holding onto stocks and deeds from before the Revolution who constantly demand compensation for such from the Castro gov’t. A lot of the companies that issued those stocks no longer exist and the deeds were signed by a gov’t that ceased to exist decades ago, but they still think they’re owed money for holding onto them. Hell, some of the crazy fuckers think that they should be allowed to go back and resettle the land that is “theirs.”

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:27:15am

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is why the Chinese will probably tell Trump to go fuck himself if he actually tries to do this.

And after they tell Trump to go fuck himself, they’ll add, “You want your money? Go talk to Taiwan, because that’s where the government that issued those bonds skedaddled off to.”

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sagehen  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:28:41am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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How narrow can a hurricane be? Any chance it could just take out Mar-a-Lago and leave everything else alone?

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:28:55am

And 100+ yr old bonds from the Chinese? Which gov’t? I don’t think many of these morons realize that the Chinese went through at least 2-3 different gov’ts before the middle of the last century. It would be like demanding that the US gov’t honor land deals made between settlers and some long dead tribe out in the middle of Wyoming.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:31:05am

re: #161 The Pie Overlord!

I saw that video.

Rockland has seen a significant influx of Orthodox Jews who live primarily in the Nyack to Ramapo corridor along Route 59 and Route 304/306. They’ve taken advantage of the lax zoning as have others to build more densely than the old single family homes that primarily dot the county.

And the infrastructure isn’t keeping up.

So instead of focusing on improving the infrastructure, they’re attacking the group that forms the fastest growing demographic in the county and demonizes them.

GOP delenda est.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:31:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:32:34am

re: #183 Targetpractice

And 100+ yr old bonds from the Chinese? Which gov’t? I don’t think many of these morons realize that the Chinese went through at least 2-3 different gov’ts before the middle of the last century. It would be like demanding that the US gov’t honor land deals made between settlers and some long dead tribe out in the middle of Wyoming.

If those bonds were issued, say around 1920 or so, they would’ve been issued by the Beiyang Government, which was defeated and replaced by Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT.

Whether the KMT government would’ve honored those bonds is anyone’s guess.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:35:04am

Also, why is it a smear to say you got Russia to help you get loans? It’s not a smear, it’s a huge conflict of interest if true because your dad is president.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:39:38am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The models are apparently leaning towards a strong Cat 3 about 48-60 hours out from the last model run (so Sat/Sun) with expectation of landfall some time Monday. Some of the models are creeping up towards a Cat 4, but at this point, anyone on the coast should be taking precautions no matter what to protect their assets.

Since it’s over open water, the key factors here are water temp, wind shear aloft, and watching for the pressure to drop further (intensification). We’ll be seeing all of those in the next few days, and expect to see a clearly defined eyewall too (this sat image loop seems to show the beginnings of that).

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:41:13am

re: #180 Targetpractice

It’s the same as those Cubanos still holding onto stocks and deeds from before the Revolution who constantly demand compensation for such from the Castro gov’t. A lot of the companies that issued those stocks no longer exist and the deeds were signed by a gov’t that ceased to exist decades ago, but they still think they’re owed money for holding onto them. Hell, some of the crazy fuckers think that they should be allowed to go back and resettle the land that is “theirs.”

So there is still hope for the Wang stock I have?

//

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:41:34am

re: #183 Targetpractice

The US government doesn’t honor its Treaty of Fort Laramie, which affects ownership of the Black Hills…. so there’s that. And those tribes still exist and are still being screwed to this day.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:42:39am

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

So there is still hope for the Wang stock I have?

//

Your Wang is dead.*

*It’s not dead it’s pinning for the fjords.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:42:46am

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

So, the Palestinians who touted keys to buildings in Jerusalem and Israel have claims?

Just wondering how far they’ll extend this bulkshit.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:43:01am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

If those bonds were issued, say around 1920 or so, they would’ve been issued by the Beiyang Government, which was defeated and replaced by Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT.

Whether the KMT government would’ve honored those bonds is anyone’s guess.

There are a bunch them for sale here, all bearer bonds, being traded as a weird kind of speculative art.

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Jay C  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:43:17am

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

Cool bit of marine archaeology news:

stuff.co.nz

Saw a brief “reel” on the BBC site abut the exploration of the Terror: they found some weird things, though (besides the amazing state-of-preservation): when the ship was abandoned, it seems not to have been prepped (a la HMS Resolute) for being left behind: among other things, all the ship’s internal doors and hatches were open - except, they found, for the captain’s cabin: which was still locked. I think their next expedition is planning to go and trying to open the door - they think they may find some records as to what actually happened to Franklin’s people (though I’m guessing the officers might have taken any relevant papers with them).

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:46:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:48:07am

re: #182 sagehen

How narrow can a hurricane be? Any chance it could just take out Mar-a-Lago and leave everything else alone?

Sounds like a job better suited for a Tornado.

//

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:50:38am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds like a job better suited for a Tornado.

//

Tornadoes often accompany hurricanes.

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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:54:14am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

And have Trump plunder FEMA funds to rebuild?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:56:06am

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

So there is still hope for the Wang stock I have?

//

I think you’d be directed to Tokyo in that event….

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:57:07am

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

There are a bunch them for sale here, all bearer bonds, being traded as a weird kind of speculative art.

That’s interesting - but quite frankly, they’re worthless. They’d look cool framed, I guess. Some interesting art to hang on the wall.

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sagehen  Aug 29, 2019 • 8:59:16am

re: #180 Targetpractice

It’s the same as those Cubanos still holding onto stocks and deeds from before the Revolution who constantly demand compensation for such from the Castro gov’t. A lot of the companies that issued those stocks no longer exist and the deeds were signed by a gov’t that ceased to exist decades ago, but they still think they’re owed money for holding onto them. Hell, some of the crazy fuckers think that they should be allowed to go back and resettle the land that is “theirs.”

They deserve to get as much as Confederacy bondholders were able to collect in 1870.

i.e., bupkis.

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sagehen  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:03:08am

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

So there is still hope for the Wang stock I have?

//

Along with your Blockbuster, Gimbels and Radio Shack stock.

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:03:57am

re: #89 Targetpractice

The deeply buried lede: No matter how much Donny pisses off these farmers, they’re still going to support him in 2020 because they’re like battered spouses.

- the farmers for losing their international markets
- the farmers now for ethanol
- the military and govt service for the new birth citizenship rules*
- and the southern border land owners about to be illegally eminent domained

*this one is particularly boneheaded
- the number of ‘target’ babies is so small as to not really be worth it
- while the way they presented it, and everyone’s interpreting it, *appears* to affect lots of people

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:05:17am

re: #98 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This is why I never jump on the stories from O’Donnell, or frankly most of the talking heads. Rachel seems to insist on a more strategic approach to the stories she runs, but all too often the problem with TV talking heads is that they are not ready to backup their claims.

Frankly, I suspect that O’Donnell is more correct than wrong, but unless one is going to defend the hill one takes, then one shouldn’t climb the hill.

all true, though he was pretty clear on the air when he first reported it

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:06:03am

Oooh, I wanna build one of these.

GIGANTIC 10 METER LARGE RC CONCORDE - MAIDEN FLIGHT

That baby is about 33 feet long. Hell, you could fly it to work!

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:14:50am

re: #118 Targetpractice

What “end product”? The “end product” that may never happen because Xi can just keep dragging all this out past next November, Donny? Bear in mind that he doesn’t have to run for reelection, you do.

- simply ask what exactly a ‘win’ in the china trade war would be
- then - is that what we’re aiming for and what we’ve been aiming for all along?
- then how do these tariffs get us there?*

*and dont say they get china to the table where we’ll win in the negotiations - china is not coming to the table to negotiate anything serious….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:17:04am

re: #197 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Tornadoes often accompany hurricanes.

Very true. I had a friend of mine who lives two blocks away have his house severely damaged by one a few hurricane seasons ago. I was, fortunately, far enough out of the path that my house didn’t take any damage.

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:17:49am

re: #122 Belafon

No matter what you think of Breitbart, this is wrong. No campaign should be deciding who gets to cover its events. An event is either open to the press, or it is not. Freedom of the press is not a conditional right — it applies to every American regardless of their views

define “the press”
then explain how breitbart, infowars, etc are

and if you do include them you are, in fact, equating yourselves with them

freedom of the press generally means no government interference in writing, publishing, etc

it doesnt mean access

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:18:12am

re: #202 sagehen

Along with your Blockbuster, Gimbels and Radio Shack stock.

You’ll have to pry my pets.com shares from my cold, dead hands.

But I have some Enron stock that I expect to take off at any moment…

//

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:23:34am

The press that has not raised a single stink over the fact that there has not been a formal press room presser in months…wants us to believe they give much of a shit that Breitbart isn’t being allowed in a campaign not called “Trump.”

Rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhtttt….

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:23:39am

re: #136 Targetpractice

We’ve been here before, we know how the spin is going to go. They’ll twist the law to say that an acknowledgment that he released the memos is an acknowledgment that he broke the laws concerning the handling of classified info, that the DOJ has enough to prosecute him, and that deciding not to do so does not mean he’s been “cleared.”

gee, i wonder if that standard apply to anyone in the admin where there’s a policy not to prosecute

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:25:06am

re: #143 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I see a lot of smart folks saying that this citizenship change really doesn’t change much for service members. Then why do it? What’s the purpose? This Administration is methodically making it harder to be a citizen for a reason. Either way it confuses service members.

the goal is to get someone to sue, then get it up to the SC and argue against wong kim ark

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DangerMan  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:29:58am

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

And he probably put a bunch of cash into options to profit off of this!

ive been thinking about this

if trump and family are doing this through a brokerage - ie profiting in advance of official actions - there’s got to be lots of people who know it’s going on any one of which could use it as leverage.

i mean unless they’re doing it themselves through e*trade or whatever

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:37:34am

I’m convinced the Trump Org is nothing but one giant, fucked up Pyramid scheme, with the Trump family and the Russian oligarchs at the top.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:40:18am

re: #166 Dr Lizardo

Oh, and even better!

Also from theweek.com

Summon the meteors.

The article refers to these as “from Imperial China.” 100 years ago, though, Chinese bonds would have been issued by the Republic of China, which still exists as the government of Taiwan. This is why the issue of Taiwan independence is so confusing to the historically illiterate. It is not just Beijing, but the Kuomintang (KMT or Chinese Nationalist) party in Taipei that opposes independence. Taiwan is democratically governed however, pro-independence parties have gained ground in recent years, and the KMT is currently in opposition.

The KMT holds to the one-China policy in that it officially considers that there is only one China, but that the Republic of China rather than the People’s Republic of China is its legitimate government under the 1992 Consensus. In order to ease tensions with the PRC, the KMT has since 2008 endorsed the Three Noes policy as defined by Ma Ying-jeou, namely no unification, no independence and no use of force.

If these bonds are indeed 100 years old, and not significantly older, they should be hitting up the Republic of China (Taiwan) for them. This has probably been tried, with about the same result that trying to collect from the People’s Republic would have.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:42:41am

re: #208 DangerMan

define “the press”
then explain how breitbart, infowars, etc are

I recall how Alex Jones attempted to pass off his outrageous slander as “performance art”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:46:53am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

In my #166, the thought just occurred to me that those 100-year-old bonds, the ones that Trump is thinking of billing China for?

Well, there’s only one problem with that. The government that issued those bonds a century ago isn’t in China anymore.

It’s in Taiwan.

The article says that Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross have actually met with speculators about this. I suspect that these idiots have no idea that the KMT and the Republic of China still exist.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:54:33am

re: #217 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The article says that Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross have actually met with speculators about this. I suspect that these idiots have no idea that the KMT and the Republic of China still exist.

And your suspicion is almost certainly entirely correct.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:56:51am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

And your suspicion is almost certainly entirely correct.

It might be interesting to see how the Taiwan government and media react to this.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 9:59:37am

Would China’s ‘One China Policy’ not make it their debt?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:02:00am

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It might be interesting to see how the Taiwan government and media react to this.

I imagine they’d laugh their asses off.

I knew about Chiang Kai-shek, the KMT and the outcome of the Chinese Civil War before I graduated high school back in 1987 because in my senior year, we had a class called Contemporary World Problems, which was basically a 20th Century History class. By the time we graduated, we had a comprehensive knowledge of the events of the era and what led to them.

JFC - these people are morons. These people went to university; I can only presume they were all asleep in class, hungover, staring at some coed’s boobs during the lectures or picking their noses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:02:23am

re: #217 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The article says that Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross have actually met with speculators about this. I suspect that these idiots have no idea that the KMT and the Republic of China still exist.

or they are unaware of their historical and financial status

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:03:00am

re: #220 Dread Pirate

Would China’s ‘One China Policy’ not make it their debt?

I assume that they would happily assume it as part of a reunification deal

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:06:51am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that they would happily assume it as part of a reunification deal

“Sure, we’ll be happy to pay that!” said Chinese President Xi Jinping with a smile and a wink as President Donald Trump signed the treaty handing Taiwan over to Beijing.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:07:59am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

And your suspicion is almost certainly entirely correct.

Oh shit! It’s worse than I thought.
Petition to ‘purchase Taiwan’ emerges on White House website

A proposal for the U.S. government to purchase Taiwan has emerged on the We the People webpage, the White House’s online petitioning system.

Titled “Purchase Taiwan,” the petition was created on Tuesday (Aug. 27) and calls upon Washington to buy the strategically important island country. It had garnered more than 500 signatures by Thursday (Aug. 29), though it would require the collection of 100,000 signatures in 30 days for the U.S. administration to issue a response, according to the rule of the mechanism.

and, predictably:

MOFA says Taiwan ‘not for sale’ in response to White House petition to buy Taiwan

Like Greenland, Taiwan says its ‘not for sale’ after petition for US to purchase Taiwan surfaces on White House website

From whom do these goobers think we could buy it anyway?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:08:00am

re: #220 Dread Pirate

Would China’s ‘One China Policy’ not make it their debt?

Only if you think the US Government would be liable to pay on Confederate bonds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:09:24am

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Oh shit! It’s worse than I thought.
Petition to ‘purchase Taiwan’ emerges on White House website

and, predictably:

From whom do these goobers think we could buy it anyway?

I assume this petition is a joke.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:10:37am

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Oh shit! It’s worse than I thought.
Petition to ‘purchase Taiwan’ emerges on White House website

and, predictably:

From whom do these goobers think we could buy it anyway?

There’s no point in asking. These people have their heads so firmly lodged in their asses, even the finest surgeons at John Hopkins couldn’t do anything about it.

It’s a terminal case of Cranial-Rectal Inversion Syndrome. The only thing left to do is administer the Last Rites.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:11:45am
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Jay C  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:19:56am

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

“Sure, we’ll be happy to pay that!” said Chinese President Xi Jinping with a smile and a wink as President Donald Trump signed the treaty handing Taiwan over to Beijing.

I get a feeling that someone (like I just did) googled the history of Russian Imperial bonds, which the post-Soviet government actually (partially) paid off as part of a deal with the EU (mainly France) back in the ’90s.

Maybe they figured if some French bondholders eventually collected on part of the Tsar’s debt*, there was hope for them over the “Sino-German Railway Bonds of 1898” or whatever…

*that part which hadn’t been re-purposed as wallpaper, anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:20:26am

Attention, nations of the world: If you are NOT for sale, please do us all a favor and the let the White House know ASAP.

Sincerely,
Americans pissed off at Donald Trump

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:21:57am

re: #227 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I assume this petition is a joke.

Well, we thought the same about buying Greenland, only to see the gooberati double and triple down on it. If this is a joke it is a very poor one. For one thing, there are no cues in the text itself that the author is joking, it is mostly straightforward RWNJ rhetoric, with a bit of a Bircher accent.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:22:46am

Joe Biden should not be president. We don’t need another ancient white guy whose mind is deteriorating in the White House.

I’ll vote for him if there’s no other choice, but that would really suck.

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Jay C  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:23:00am

re: #231 Eclectic Cyborg

Attention, nations of the world: If you are NOT for sale, please do us all a favor and the let the White House know ASAP.

Sincerely,
Americans pissed off at Donald Trump

Actually, maybe it would be more efficient to simply assume the “NOT FOR SALE” response to be the default: and have any nations that ARE willing to be purchased by us, please let us know.

Which list, I’m sure, after the Trump Administration finishes winnowing out the “shithole countries” is going to be quite a short one…

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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:23:20am

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Well, we thought the same about buying Greenland, only to see the gooberati double and triple down on it. If this is a joke it is a very poor one. For one thing, there are no cues in the text itself that the author is joking, it is mostly straightforward RWNJ rhetoric, with a bit of a Bircher accent.

The difference being that the Taiwan one was set up as a petition, while Trump has been pushing the Greenland thing in response to stories about the Artic Circle.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:28:28am
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Belafon  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:29:30am

Boris Johnson and Co. have been thinking up ways to make sure the No Deal Brexit went through:

BuzzFeed News has learned that in the last few days, Johnson’s senior team — led by his chief of staff Dominic Cummings and director of legislative affairs Nikki da Costa — has explored a number of increasingly controversial proposals it could deploy depending on the success of rebel attempts to thwart Brexit. The ideas under consideration include the following:

•Attempting to disrupt a Commons debate on Northern Ireland power-sharing due on Sept. 9, a day which could be used by rebels to attempt to delay Brexit. It is described by Johnson allies as a “time bomb” set for them in the final weeks of Theresa May’s premiership.

•Determining whether Johnson would be breaking the law by ignoring any successful rebel legislation or refusing to resign in the event he lost a vote of no confidence.

•Using a variety of mechanisms, including a potential budget, to create new Commons debates and further reduce time for rebels to act.

•Using the prorogation of Parliament to “kill the bill” by rebel MPs and force them to table it again after the Queen’s Speech on Oct. 14.

•Creating new bank holidays to prevent the House of Commons from being recalled during the prorogation period.

•Filibustering any bill by rebel MPs attempting to force Johnson to delay Brexit when it reaches the House of Lords.

•Ennobling new pro-Brexit peers as a last resort to kill any such bill in the Lords.

•Exploring what the consequences would be if Johnson advised the Queen not to give royal assent to any legislation passed by Parliament delaying Brexit.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:30:10am

re: #230 Jay C

I get a feeling that someone (like I just did) googled the history of Russian Imperial bonds, which the post-Soviet government actually (partially) paid off as part of a deal with the EU (mainly France) back in the ’90s.

Maybe they figured if some French bondholders eventually collected on part of the Tsar’s debt*, there was hope for them over the “Sino-German Railway Bonds of 1898” or whatever…

*that part which hadn’t been re-purposed as wallpaper, anyway.

Wife’s mother lived in a Tennessee shack, owned by her grandfather, that was papered in places w/ Confederate bills. (More used as insulation/sealant than aesthetics, as described.)

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b.d.  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:31:36am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Joe Biden should not be president. We don’t need another ancient white guy whose mind is deteriorating in the White House.

I’ll vote for him if there’s no other choice, but that would really suck.

Even if he wants to spend all of his energy trying to make Republicans nice again?!

I am sure Joe could work out something with them, like a giant business tax cut or slashing Social Security and Medicare?

Can’t we all just work together like we used to!?

//

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Dread Pirate  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:36:08am
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lawhawk  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:37:12am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There’s a reason that he’s failed to win the nomination twice before.

I see this being a trifecta. All the goodwill towards him is the result of being Obama’s VP. But as a standalone guy, he’s far less impressive and his gaffes are getting more pronounced by the day.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:37:29am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Joe Biden should not be president. We don’t need another ancient white guy whose mind is deteriorating in the White House.

I’ll vote for him if there’s no other choice, but that would really suck.

The last two election seasons have shown that our biggest weapon against gerrymandering and voter suppression is turnout. And my worry is that a Biden nomination would lead the key demographics we need to turn out to look at the ticket and ask themselves “What’s the point?” I genuinely cannot remember ever seeing someone who was actually enthusiastic about a Biden presidency, almost every person I’ve met who’s commented on such has been like yourself: “I’ll vote for him, but…”

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gwangung  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:41:14am

re: #242 Targetpractice

The last two election seasons have shown that our biggest weapon against gerrymandering and voter suppression is turnout. And my worry is that a Biden nomination would lead the key demographics we need to turn out to look at the ticket and ask themselves “What’s the point?” I genuinely cannot remember ever seeing someone who was actually enthusiastic about a Biden presidency, almost every person I’ve met who’s commented on such has been like yourself: “I’ll vote for him, but…”

One of the biggest emotions the electorate has about politics is a deep, deep anger at how things are being done. They want CHANGE, That’s how Trump got elected…even though the change they got was not the change they wanted.

To tap into that, you nominate a candidate that embodies change. That’s Warren (and…sigh….Sanders). Nomianting Biden is Business As Usual and that will not tap into what the electorate wants.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 29, 2019 • 10:49:45am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

ANOTHER ONE!!

For whatever it’s worth, there were no Marys in my graduating class. That said, since it only had seventeen people, that’s not a big sample.

I have an aunt named Mary, but that chart doesn’t go back to 1940.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 29, 2019 • 11:11:19am

re: #235 Belafon

The difference being that the Taiwan one was set up as a petition, while Trump has been pushing the Greenland thing in response to stories about the Artic Circle.

So, one was proposed by an anonymous idiot, the other by an internationally notorious one.


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