Soul From Down Under: The Teskey Brothers, “So Caught Up”

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So Caught Up is taken from The Teskey Brothers’ new album Run Home Slow – out Friday August 2
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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:16:40pm

That new thread smell.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:18:30pm

So, I was saying downstairs (pbuh Aminah, I was CLd), over 140 years of weather records, not once did it get to 100° F in Denver in September. Until today.

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wrenchwench  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:27:45pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

(pbuh Aminah, I was CLd)

That’s how it’s done. Thanks.

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retired cynic  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:30:46pm

I love these guys!

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gocart mozart  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:31:55pm

This mild criticism is what the RACIST CHUDS still go on about.

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gocart mozart  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:39:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:41:33pm

Left hanging on the previous page.

Prime Minister: This Is the Worst Day of My Life

As Abaco continued to be pounded by Hurricane Dorian, a catastrophic category 5 storm, Prime Minister Dr. Hubert Minnis cried as he described today as the “worst day of his life” and expressed hope that those who refused to evacuate will survive the storm.

“This is probably the most sad and worst day of my life to address the Bahamian people,” he said during a press conference at the headquarters of the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA).

“As a physician I’ve been trained to withstand many things, but never anything like this.

“We’re facing a hurricane… one that we’ve never seen in the history of The Bahamas, with wind velocity as high as 180 mph, with gusts in excess of 200 mph.”

He noted that Bahamian homes are built to withstand winds of up to 150 mph.

“So this will put us through a test that we’ve never confronted before,” he continued, adding that storm surges are projected to be as high as 20 feet.

(more)

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plansbandc  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:45:03pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

When I was growing up in Denver, it was really warm when it hit the eighties. Ninety almost never happened, and a hundred was pretty much impossible. Pueblo and Grand Junction would hit a hundred and we were impressed.

So, a hundred in Denver in September? Supremely fucked.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:47:07pm

re: #567 William Lewis

No, not really once you’re past Sunday school. Prayer is half meditation and half conversation ( remember Tevye the Dairyman) and half thankfulness for everything that is, good bad or indifferent.

Wasn’t Tevye the Dairyman a fictional Jewish character in a story written in the XIX Century, adapted as “Fiddler on the Roof?”

My comment on prayer was Christian prayer.

Do some Christians think of prayer that way? Sure, I guess.

How many churches of all denominations call for God to inspire or bring about the conversion of the whole world (as interpreted by them of course)? Wouldn’t that be “telling God how to do his job?” Or prayer to spare those in the path of a hurricane (when not praying to divert a hurricane)? If it’s God’s will someone should die in a horrible storm, why are prayers offered to change his mind?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:55:35pm

From the previous thread:

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Portuguese that word is “saudades.”

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2019 • 8:59:50pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Wasn’t Tevye the Dairyman a fictional Jewish character in a story written in the XIX Century, adapted as “Fiddler on the Roof?”

My comment on prayer was Christian prayer.

Do some Christians think of prayer that way? Sure, I guess.

How many churches of all denominations call for God to inspire or bring about the conversion of the whole world (as interpreted by them of course)? Wouldn’t that be “telling God how to do his job?” Or prayer to spare those in the path of a hurricane (when not praying to divert a hurricane)? If it’s God’s will someone should die in a horrible storm, why are prayers offered to change his mind?

Oh, right, I forgot. There is no difference. Every Christian is exactly 100% the same and can’t possibly be different. Please forgive me for doubting your perfect knowledge.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:00:22pm

re: #8 plansbandc

When I was growing up in Denver, it was really warm when it hit the eighties. Ninety almost never happened, and a hundred was pretty much impossible. Pueblo and Grand Junction would hit a hundred and we were impressed.

So, a hundred in Denver in September? Supremely fucked.

…and it was 90 in Anchorage last July.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:01:54pm

re: #570 Decatur Deb

In contrast, most of the many places I lived as a child are urban-renewed parking lots and sports stadiums (stadia, for the finikey). We were the last chance to wring an occasional rent out of a neighborhood after the better brothels left and the bulldozers arrived. Screw nostalgia.

LOL “after the better brothels left.”

The home in which I spent much of my childhood years (my maternal grandparents’ home) went from having no running water and a two-digit telephone number to something resembling modern by the time I left.

Now my eldest first cousin owns it, and she has changed it far from what it was. The view of the village is the same, but no longer feels like home.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:06:36pm

Polygamy Porter and actual polygamy both illegal in North Carolina, alcohol board says (Charlotte Observer)

The state alcohol board rejected an appeal by the Utah makers of Polygamy Porter from selling on-tap beer in a single location, citing immoral or illegal acts are not permitted on beer labels.

Let’s see: I would imagine you can get Blackheart Rum in North Carolina (which depicts a sexy pirate lady which some might argue is “immoral” and piracy is most certainly illegal).

The company which makes it is considering a court challenge on I Amendment grounds.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:10:55pm

re: #11 William Lewis

Oh, right, I forgot. There is no difference. Every Christian is exactly 100% the same and can’t possibly be different. Please forgive me for doubting your perfect knowledge.

Well, that escalated quickly.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:15:00pm
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A Cranky One  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:15:59pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, that escalated quickly.

If you kids make me pull over the car…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:16:56pm

The 11 PM EDT National Hurricane Center advisory on Hurricane Dorian is out. The storm has weakened a bit more.

SUMMARY OF 1100 PM EDT…0300 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————-
LOCATION…26.9N 78.5W
ABOUT 30 MI…55 KM NNE OF FREEPORT GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND
ABOUT 100 MI…160 KM E OF WEST PALM BEACH FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…130 MPH…215 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…STATIONARY
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…946 MB…27.94 INCHES

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Dread Pirate  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:19:25pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:21:18pm

re: #11 William Lewis

Oh, right, I forgot. There is no difference. Every Christian is exactly 100% the same and can’t possibly be different. Please forgive me for doubting your perfect knowledge.

The last I heard, a prayer was a request, not an order. In fact, the idea of commanding God was… unacceptable.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:28:02pm

re: #20 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

The last I heard, a prayer was a request, not an order. In fact, the idea of commanding God was… unacceptable.

I’m going to take Teleskiguy’s advice up there and back away slowly, since some subjects are too touchy to discuss here.

I’ll just note I lost visitation rights over my child and was rendered homeless because of my lack of religious belief (along with demon possession due to my epilepsy), along with being disowned by most of my family and frequent death threats from people I don’t know.

How ‘bout those Cubbies?
mlb.com

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:32:05pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m going to take Teleskiguy’s advice up there and back away slowly, since some subjects are too touchy to discuss here.

I’ll just note I lost visitation rights over my child and was rendered homeless because of my lack of religious belief (along with demon possession due to my epilepsy), along with being disowned by most of my family and frequent death threats from people I don’t know.

How ‘bout those Cubbies?
mlb.com

Sorry, I can’t see what that has to do with what I said, or why you would bring it up in response to what I said.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:35:06pm

re: #22 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Sorry, I can’t see what that has to do with what I said, or why you would bring it up in response to what I said.

Sorry. That’s in response to #11.

I’m going to drink some North Carolina declared immoral Blackheart Rum and hit the rack. Gotta go to town tomorrow.

G’night y’all.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:37:49pm

Photo break?
Mussel Shoals Saturday, low tide

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Belafon  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:40:17pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

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That was used once in my storm spotter training when we were discussing cloud types.

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plansbandc  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:43:19pm

re: #11 William Lewis

William, I appreciate your expression of Anglican faith. It inspires me to at least think about giving the church I really like here another try. <3

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:44:20pm

re: #20 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

The last I heard, a prayer was a request, not an order. In fact, the idea of commanding God was… unacceptable.

Very much so. “Choose wisely” as the grail keeper told Indy.

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:49:04pm

re: #22 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Sorry, I can’t see what that has to do with what I said, or why you would bring it up in response to what I said.

All of Christianity, and hence all Christians, are evil. That appears to be his belief because of the evil ways some (even many - I’m not denying those scum) treated him. Hence my comment earlier about his inability to see any nuance between X christian and Y christian. He really doesn’t like it when you point out that he treats Christians the way fundamentalist Christians treat Muslims.

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:51:02pm

re: #26 plansbandc

William, I appreciate your expression of Anglican faith. It inspires me to at least think about giving the church I really like here another try. <3

Bobby Hooker would be glad to hear that if he were still here ;)

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ckkatz  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:52:44pm

And for something completely different, a Canadian ukulele player:

Brenna MacCrimmon - Dolama Dolamayi

Brenna MacCrimmon - Dolama Dolamayi

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 9:59:57pm

I’m still rather miffed and mad that Congressman Matt Gaetz (who brought UpChuck Johnson to a SOTU address as a guest) and I were born on the exact same day.

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:02:07pm

re: #26 plansbandc

William, I appreciate your expression of Anglican faith. It inspires me to at least think about giving the church I really like here another try. <3

Honestly, I’m not sure we’re worth it. We have many many flaws. It’s just the best place I’ve found for me. All I know sometimes is that the rhythms of the book of common prayer (my personal one is a modern english 1549) sing to my soul in a way nothing else does.

I learned today of a young woman, 21 years, who died on August 27, 2019. An OD of heroin on what was apparently the first time she tried it. I am going to say the office of the dead for her and then go to bed. Take care all.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:04:32pm

My father was born on the exact same day as Prince Charles was born.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:06:37pm

re: #28 William Lewis

All of Christianity, and hence all Christians, are evil. That appears to be his belief because of the evil ways some (even many - I’m not denying those scum) treated him. Hence my comment earlier about his inability to see any nuance between X christian and Y christian. He really doesn’t like it when you point out that he treats Christians the way fundamentalist Christians treat Muslims.

Every time this comes up, I am misrepresented.

I have made this comparison before, but it gets intentionally ignored here.

When a woman sees a strange man, she might take certain precautions such as crossing the street or look for potential escape routes. It’s not because all men or most men are evil and wish to do her harm (or that she’s a fundamentalist against men like fundamentalists Christians are to Muslims, to use your tortured analogy), but because she doesn’t know how he’ll treat her.

The same goes for me when someone I don’t know says they’re a Christian. The overwhelming majority of Christians aren’t destructive douchecanoes who blow up abortion clinics, federal buildings, churches, and Olympic venues, or threaten to kill anyone.

But some do in the name of their faith, and I don’t know which one is which without knowing them. A better analogy is that of the woman above.

I really need to get off to bed now after rum o’clock. I also need to take a break for a few days. Catch y’all later.

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BigPapa  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:15:52pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

I’m still rather miffed and mad that Congressman Matt Gaetz (who brought UpChuck Johnson to a SOTU address as a guest) and I were born on the exact same day.

Not cool, Tele. Don’t do it again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:16:03pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Thank you for the clarification.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:17:20pm

re: #35 BigPapa

Not cool, Tele. Don’t do it again.

I’ll try not to.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:19:40pm

Dude.

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CleverToad  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:20:15pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m going to take Teleskiguy’s advice up there and back away slowly, since some subjects are too touchy to discuss here.

I’ll just note I lost visitation rights over my child and was rendered homeless because of my lack of religious belief (along with demon possession due to my epilepsy), along with being disowned by most of my family and frequent death threats from people I don’t know.

How ‘bout those Cubbies?
mlb.com

Yes, we know. You’ve told us, more than once.
As you back away, please stop long enough to consider this:
No one currently commenting on this site has attacked you for your beliefs or lack thereof.
William’s reaction was actually pretty mild for the kind of provocation you’ve thrown out on a frequent basis — the phrase “fifth column” comes to mind, among others.
Pretending that his reaction is out of line, with the sarcastic “That escalated quickly” is disingenuous, at best.

You told William Lewis a few threads ago that he was raising a strawman to say you hate all believers. I don’t know you IRL; I can only judge by what you choose to say in this forum — but I would say it’s a justifiable inference from reading the cumulative tenor of your posts. To say that you are excoriating the ‘organisations’ rather than the individuals is a distinction without a difference on the receiving end of a pretty steady spray of vitriol splattered about with a broad brush.

I generally try not to downding. I scroll past a lot of night whinges because there’s no point in trying to argue with fundamentalists of any stripe, believer or non-. I expect to get downdinged. I don’t expect to change any Lizard minds, and I’ll probably be sorry I said anything.

However, I am uneasy watching this kind of rhetoric repeatedly go by in silence, on this site of all others. Lizards who I do not think would generalize all members of a group from the actions of some for any other religion or race seem to feel free to generalize about Christians. Maybe there’s a sense of ‘punching up,’ but it’s no less a lack of respect for the some of the Lizard believers here.

It has a chilling effect on the dialogue when this kind of rhetoric directed at any group goes by in silence, as witnessed by fact that I expect to get down-dinged for saying this. I certainly expect several long screeds justifying the rhetoric.

Yes, the Dominionists are pure D evil. Yes, way too many of the fundies have been sucked into the cult of the prosperity gospel. I have yet to see a Dominionist commenting on this site, and if there are any fundies they’re being pretty quiet.

“Do unto others” is not a tenet specific to any one religion. It is simply a basic code of behavior common to all venues where we interact with our fellow humans. May I respectfully ask for consideration, in a place where we generally try to respect one another?

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Dread Pirate  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:23:25pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:24:39pm
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CleverToad  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:27:32pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Every time this comes up, I am misrepresented.

I have made this comparison before, but it gets intentionally ignored here.

The same goes for me when someone I don’t know says they’re a Christian. The overwhelming majority of Christians aren’t destructive douchecanoes who blow up abortion clinics, federal buildings, churches, and Olympic venues, or threaten to kill anyone.

But some do in the name of their faith, and I don’t know which one is which without knowing them.

*sigh*
It doesn’t get ignored, but it does raise a question — how long do you have to know us before you feel you can drop the defensive posture, and the pre-emptive attacks, when on this site? Are there places online where you feel you’ve achieved that safety?

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:28:58pm
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BigPapa  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:45:18pm
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BigPapa  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:56:04pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 10:56:36pm

Flattened. The devastation is absolutely catastrophic.

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CleverToad  Sep 2, 2019 • 11:02:04pm

re: #8 plansbandc

When I was growing up in Denver, it was really warm when it hit the eighties. Ninety almost never happened, and a hundred was pretty much impossible. Pueblo and Grand Junction would hit a hundred and we were impressed.

So, a hundred in Denver in September? Supremely fucked.

Looking forward to the mid-80s they’ve promised us this week, by comparison; hoping for a week or two of pleasant 70’s. Also hope it holds off on heavy snow till most of the leaves fall, since my poor trees took enough of a beating from the spring tree-killers this year.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2019 • 11:08:45pm

The United States has a massive gun problem.

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uriel  Sep 2, 2019 • 11:15:58pm

re: #44 BigPapa

Gah! Why would you do that! Warn a guy next time!

;)

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Dread Pirate  Sep 2, 2019 • 11:44:18pm
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uriel  Sep 3, 2019 • 12:14:39am

re: #39 CleverToad

I expect to get downdinged. I don’t expect to change any Lizard minds, and I’ll probably be sorry I said anything.

You’re fine. You made a reasonable observation in a measured way.

As an atheist- and, worse, a formerly fairly chatty, and, in certain circles, somewhat well known one back in the days when threaded message boards were a big thing- I’ve struggled with the seeming stridency of people I would normally view as allies, in what seemed fairly innocuous conversations. And this wasn’t just limited to religious conversions.

I think part of the problem is that, while all of us are communicating in written form here on the internet, we are usually composing those posts using a mental narration that doesn’t necessarily come across in a nonverbal form. So, while one may be using a reasoned and patient tone of voice in one’s head, simply describing the issues you have, that doesn’t necessarily come across in the acsii text we’re putting out.

When you add to this the very serious discrimination atheists encounter in real life, combined with the also very real apprehension and fear at the bizarre influence that figures like Osteen’s or Falwell’s “gospel of self interested, hyper-focused hate” have on the public at large- well, that can rub you raw enough to forget that the specific person you are replying to is not, necessarily, a part of the problem you are trying to address.

But that’s just me. I’ll admit, “tone policing” is something I’ve learned to live with.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 3, 2019 • 12:17:57am

I may have posted this the other night when I stumbled on it. I hope not.

YouTube

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Dread Pirate  Sep 3, 2019 • 12:51:51am

album: Bloomfield, Kooper, Stills ‘68

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 1:15:47am

re: #20 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

The last I heard, a prayer was a request, not an order. In fact, the idea of commanding God was… unacceptable.

God damn you!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 2:06:55am

re: #51 uriel

When you add to this the very serious discrimination atheists encounter in real life, combined with the also very real apprehension and fear at the bizarre influence that figures like Osteen’s or Falwell’s “gospel of self interested, hyper-focused hate” have on the public at large- well, that can rub you raw enough to forget that the specific person you are replying to is not, necessarily, a part of the problem you are trying to address.

And that Christianity was America’s default and de facto State religion for some time, and it took militant atheists to stand up for the rights of other atheists, non-believers and members of other non-Christian faiths (or even some non-mainstream Christian sects) to finally make it clear that the two should be separated in schools, courtrooms, government buildings and official government functions.

These people are not trying to ban religion from public life, just to remove any sense of favoritism or preference on the part of our democratically elected government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 2:12:03am

re: #53 Dread Pirate

I fell in love with their version of “It Takes a Lot to Laugh” (29.40’) and still play it on occasion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 3, 2019 • 3:01:49am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 3, 2019 • 4:47:17am

Summer is over, now it’s time to pay attention to what the market does since all the professional money managers are back in town.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:08:32am

re: #39 CleverToad

That has to be one of the best things I have read here in a long time. Thank you for the courage to write that.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:20:59am
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jeffreyw  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:21:45am

Good morning!

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steve_davis  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:22:04am

re: #26 plansbandc

William, I appreciate your expression of Anglican faith. It inspires me to at least think about giving the church I really like here another try. <3

i heartily endorse the Episcopal church. there aren’t many of us, but that’s because we have really high standards!

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:25:45am

re: #60 MsJ

From the comments, apparently it is journalists reporting gun violence that is the problem.

There are not enough eye rolls in the world for that.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:33:45am

Greetings Lizards, it has been far too long, for which I apologise.

In other news, my merry olde country is hurtling over the cliff of no-deal Brexit and there doesn’t appear to be anything anyone can do about it. How’s Canada these days?

:(

Sad CL.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:37:06am

re: #64 Curious Lifeform

Greetings Lizards, it has been far too long, for which I apologise.

In other news, my merry olde country is hurtling over the cliff of no-deal Brexit and there doesn’t appear to be anything anyone can do about it. How’s Canada these days?

:(

Sad CL.

My heart breaks for you guys.

As for Canada, we will have to see after the next election. If Scheer gets in, who knows. After all, Ontario voted in Doug Fucking Ford, so anything is possible. Scheer is a wannabe Republican.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:38:05am

I couldn’t sleep last night and I didn’t know why.

Then I come back here and discover some of you bastards decided to talk smack about eggplants.

I sensed your transgression.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:43:31am

re: #65 MsJ

My heart breaks for you guys.

As for Canada, we will have to see after the next election. If Scheer gets in, who knows. After all, Ontario voted in Doug Fucking Ford, so anything is possible. Scheer is a wannabe Republican.

Is Trudeau not still popular? Gah if Canada goes full-metal-wingnut I think I’ll have to do a Necron and go into transdimensional hibernation until intelligent life returns to the galaxy.

:(

I’m watching live updates on the BBC. They are in the House of Commons right now, letting it slip over the cliff… this is almost - but not as bad of course - like watching 9/11 again; that sick knowledge that a horrific moment in history is unfolding before my eyes…

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 5:54:25am

re: #67 Curious Lifeform

Is Trudeau not still popular? Gah if Canada goes full-metal-wingnut I think I’ll have to do a Necron and go into transdimensional hibernation until intelligent life returns to the galaxy.

:(

I’m watching live updates on the BBC. They are in the House of Commons right now, letting it slip over the cliff… this is almost - but not as bad of course - like watching 9/11 again; that sick knowledge that a horrific moment in history is unfolding before my eyes…

My husband thinks Trudeau will get reelected. But neither of us expected Ford to win, so…who knows. There is the same wingnut “thought” (mostly in western Canada) along with smatterings of wingnuts, racists, etc., throughout Canada. We are not without hateful people…but hopefully less of us are. Also, I think Canadians are smarter than Americans (sorry, just what I see from personal experience) and not as susceptible to Russian interference.

But it all remains to be seen.

I love how no one is stepping up to do something for you. Corbyn is a fucking loser and why he is the preferred Liberal I have no idea. Preferred by the party, that is, not the electorate. But, unless someone acts, he’s the man. Some Tory out and out said the stuff you’re not supposed to say out loud, but it’s like no one is listening.

I think you guys are in for a world of hurt. And I am so sorry.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:00:21am

re: #62 steve_davis

i heartily endorse the Episcopal church. there aren’t many of us, but that’s because we have really high standards!

* Waves hand. * Fellow Whiskeypalian here. As is William. I appreciate this conversation, everyone, and send nothing but love and respect to my atheist Lizard brethren.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:01:27am

re: #68 MsJ

I think you guys are in for a world of hurt. And I am so sorry.

Something tells me we just need to actually go through it before everyone really understands the impact it will have. I’m too young to remember the “Winter of Discontent” late 70s but its effect on the national psyche regarding unions and extreme socialism last today.

My hope then is we come out, everything crashes, we get back in quick, we rebuild for a decade, and everyone says “Never Again!”

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A Mom Anon  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:02:39am

Just popping in for a moment to say hello…. I went a little long, being a snack….

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:09:49am

In Brexit news, things are getting spicy.

theguardian.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:12:54am

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

Johnson: “Back me or face new elections”

Talk about a no-win situation…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:14:07am

“Brussels baffled by Johnson’s progress claims”

Why does this sound so damn familiar?

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Weaselone  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:14:11am

re: #68 MsJ

“It probably won’t happen here because we’re smarter than those rubes down in the US” is a great attitude to help insure that it does indeed happen in Canada. I mean FFS the whole world has the US as an object lesson and they’re still gradually succumbing to fascism.

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:17:07am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Bermuda is still being pummeled by the worst hurricane to ever make landfall there. Dorian continues to churn in virtually the same spot for a full day - unleashing the full wrath on the same general area for 24+ hours. It’s insane, and the future path is likely to wobble along the East Coast of Florida, Georgia, and Carolinas - perhaps staying just offshore while the winds and rain bands shuffle inland. Coastal erosion is likely to be significant across the entire Southeast.

Trump’s on top of the situation - fighting with the NWS about what regions are affected, and reveling in his sheer dumbassery daily. He stayed in the States rather than going to Poland to congratulate them on the anniversary of the beginning of WWII (the invasion of Poland), and Pence went to Ireland to visit leaders there, but stays at a Trump dump 2 hours away to maximize Trump profits (everything this admin does inures benefits to Trump personally).

We’re all paying for this… and foreign regimes and terror groups and rivals are all taking advantage of Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:18:02am

re: #76 lawhawk

“Calling me Moscow Mitch is over the top,” McConnell tells Hugh Hewitt

How about “Putin’s Mitch”?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:18:26am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Johnson: “Back me or face new elections”

Talk about a no-win situation…

From what I’m reading, the opposition’s strategy is to NOT have a snap election. The idea is to force Johnson to lie in his own shit, which is appropriate, as the Tories have certainly shit the bed on this one.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:19:11am

re: #75 Weaselone

“It probably won’t happen here because we’re smarter than those rubes down in the US” is a great attitude to help insure that it does indeed happen in Canada. I mean FFS the whole world has the US as an object lesson and they’re still gradually succumbing to fascism.

I’m hoping the US leads the way next year and Trump is trounced and a great new president is elected. Obama II we need you!

I sometimes cry a little when I think how better the world would be now if Hillary won. I mean, she did win by 3 million, but… you know what I mean…

CL

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:19:20am

re: #51 uriel

A lot of the English language assumes Christianity is the default belief of the speaker and listener.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:20:48am

re: #76 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Bermuda is still being pummeled by the worst hurricane to ever make landfall there. Dorian continues to churn in virtually the same spot for a full day - unleashing the full wrath on the same general area for 24+ hours. It’s insane, and the future path is likely to wobble along the East Coast of Florida, Georgia, and Carolinas - perhaps staying just offshore while the winds and rain bands shuffle inland. Coastal erosion is likely to be significant across the entire Southeast.

Trump’s on top of the situation - fighting with the NWS about what regions are affected, and reveling in his sheer dumbassery daily. He stayed in the States rather than going to Poland to congratulate them on the anniversary of the beginning of WWII (the invasion of Poland), and Pence went to Ireland to visit leaders there, but stays at a Trump dump 2 hours away to maximize Trump profits (everything this admin does inures benefits to Trump personally).

We’re all paying for this… and foreign regimes and terror groups and rivals are all taking advantage of Trump.

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How about #KillerMitch and his sidekick #RussianRand?

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wrenchwench  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:20:48am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

Just popping in for a moment to say hello…. I went a little long, being a snack….

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:22:36am

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

From what I’m reading, the opposition’s strategy is to NOT have a snap election. The idea is to force Johnson to lie in his own shit, which is appropriate, as the Tories have certainly shit the bed on this one.

It is one of those weird situations that you generally only hear about in banana republics. Boris is telling members of his own party that if they go along with a bill to push out the Article 50 deadline to Jan 31st, then he’ll put forward a bill to force a snap election. But it’s basically a massive bluff, as both sides are pretty much in agreement that they don’t want elections, certainly not in less than 2 months time. At the same time, Farage is telling Boris that if he tries to bring forward any deal whatsoever, then the “Brexit Party” will challenge every Tory seat in said snap election.

I swear to Zod, I’ve never seen a bigger clusterfuck in my life.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:23:13am

re: #79 Curious Lifeform

I’m hoping the US leads the way next year and Trump is trounced and a great new president is elected. Obama II we need you!

I sometimes cry a little when I think how better the world would be now if Hillary won. I mean, she did win by 3 million, but… you know what I mean…

CL

Sad truth is if Hillary had been elected she would have been impeached on the spot. Chaffetz repeatedly said she would have been impeached over Benghazi and her e-mail.

The Senate would have acquitted her but the RepubliKKKlans would have thrown every roadblock in the way including multiple shutdowns.

And McConnell would have blocked any judicial nominations she made.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:24:20am

re: #83 Targetpractice

It is one of those weird situations that you generally only hear about in banana republics. Boris is telling members of his own party that if they go along with a bill to push out the Article 50 deadline to Jan 31st, then he’ll put forward a bill to force a snap election. But it’s basically a massive bluff, as both sides are pretty much in agreement that they don’t want elections, certainly not in less than 2 months time. At the same time, Farage is telling Boris that if he tries to bring forward any deal whatsoever, then the “Brexit Party” will challenge every Tory seat in said snap election.

I swear to Zod, I’ve never seen a bigger clusterfuck in my life.

But the polls showing Johnson would win any snap election…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:24:50am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Yep. Brexit has broken British politics. And even if they revoked Article 50 right now, the fallout from this fiasco will continue for at least a decade, if not longer.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:24:57am

re: #76 lawhawk

We’re all paying for this… and foreign regimes and terror groups and rivals are all taking advantage of Trump.

You know Mr. Hawk, the other day when Trump shot his mouth off about actually doing something about mass-shootings (before he was quietly shoved back in line by the NRA) I had this weird thought: What if he actually DID do something amazing out of character and got some sort of sensible policy in place where so many others have failed? Like if he was temporarily possessed by a good spirit.

Would we forgive all his evils?

The thought soon passed as normal Trump service resumed, and I waved goodbye.

But just imagine!

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:27:24am
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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:27:57am

re: #75 Weaselone

“It probably won’t happen here because we’re smarter than those rubes down in the US” is a great attitude to help insure that it does indeed happen in Canada. I mean FFS the whole world has the US as an object lesson and they’re still gradually succumbing to fascism.

That wasn’t my intent…I was referring to education and the ability to critically think. Education is key and Canada takes it seriously and it is reflected in its citizenry.

And that is based on my somewhat limited knowledge from personal interactions.

It’s not a matter of rubes, it is a matter of critical thinking. Shall we discuss Q, Deep State, the CIA is making the weather change, flat earth…and on and on.

I am not saying there are no nuts up here. But they are far less (or maybe far less vocal) than what I see in the US.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:28:15am

re: #83 Targetpractice

I swear to Zod, I’ve never seen a bigger clusterfuck in my life.

It pains me to have to say… I think our clusterfuck is clustier and fuckier than yours.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:28:34am

re: #85 Joe Bacon 🌹

But the polls showing Johnson would win any snap election…

They also showed May up 20% in ‘17 when she called a snap election. DUP certainly remembers, since they’ve held the leash on the Tories ever since.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:30:47am

re: #83 Targetpractice

It is one of those weird situations that you generally only hear about in banana republics. Boris is telling members of his own party that if they go along with a bill to push out the Article 50 deadline to Jan 31st, then he’ll put forward a bill to force a snap election. But it’s basically a massive bluff, as both sides are pretty much in agreement that they don’t want elections, certainly not in less than 2 months time. At the same time, Farage is telling Boris that if he tries to bring forward any deal whatsoever, then the “Brexit Party” will challenge every Tory seat in said snap election.

I swear to Zod, I’ve never seen a bigger clusterfuck in my life.

His opinion has been unfashionable since Iraq, but Tony Blair pointed recently that a general election is a trap for Labour: If they get in they will have sort out the whole mess. I think somebody in Labour sat up and took notice of that.

I said it about Theresa May; she was like a lawyer with an unreasonable idiot for a client. No matter how many times she advised the country, “You don’t wann do this - you’ll lose - take the deal!” the country kept shouting back, “Nah take ‘em to WHO court!”

I wouldn’t want that client. Whoever is in government when it goes down, will be held responsible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:33:01am

re: #80 Belafon

A lot of the English language assumes Christianity is the default belief of the speaker and listener.

What the bejeezus are you on about?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:33:50am

The cynic in me believes the effects of Dorian will mostly be dismissed by those higher-ups in the US since it seems the Bahamas, and not the states, will bear the brunt of the storm.

“We dodged a bullet! All that hysteria for nothing.”

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:33:52am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What the bejeezus are you on about?

What in Heaven’s name do you mean?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:35:01am

re: #95 Curious Lifeform

For the love of God, people….

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:36:07am

re: #92 Curious Lifeform

His opinion has been unfashionable since Iraq, but Tony Blair pointed recently that a general election is a trap for Labour: If they get in they will have sort out the whole mess. I think somebody in Labour sat up and took notice of that.

I said it about Theresa May; she was like a lawyer with an unreasonable idiot for a client. No matter how many times she advised the country, “You don’t wann do this - you’ll lose - take the deal!” the country kept shouting back, “Nah take ‘em to WHO court!”

I wouldn’t want that client. Whoever is in government when it goes down, will be held responsible.

At this point, there’s only one of three outcomes:

- No-deal Brexit, which even in the best scenario is still going to cause a great deal of disruption and pain for the nation, with estimation of a decade or longer to recover

- May’s deal with the backstop, which the Leave crowd absolutely hate as it doesn’t get the UK out of the EU entirely and the Remain crowd hate because it means Brexit

- Revoking Article 50, which will leave the country with all the damage and disruption from uncertainty, as well as a white hot anger among the Leave crowd who will feel that their voters were ignored

However you slice it, the UK is fucked for the near future.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:36:14am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:36:17am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:37:14am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What the bejeezus are you on about?

On a serious note, that is quite expected as Christianity WAS the default religion of England for nearly a thousand years.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:41:18am

re: #97 Targetpractice

However you slice it, the UK is fucked for the near future.

I feel that is the cold hard truth. :(

A part of me feels like we should just get on with it then move as quickly as possible to a Norway+ like situation.

A weird thing about the May deal; it achieved everything the Leave crowd campaigned on and said they wanted.

CL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:51:15am

re: #97 Targetpractice

At this point, there’s only one of three outcomes:

- No-deal Brexit, which even in the best scenario is still going to cause a great deal of disruption and pain for the nation, with estimation of a decade or longer to recover

- May’s deal with the backstop, which the Leave crowd absolutely hate as it doesn’t get the UK out of the EU entirely and the Remain crowd hate because it means Brexit

- Revoking Article 50, which will leave the country with all the damage and disruption from uncertainty, as well as a white hot anger among the Leave crowd who will feel that their voters were ignored

However you slice it, the UK is fucked for the near future.

And Putin can only smile with satisfaction for a job well done

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:52:17am

re: #100 Curious Lifeform

On a serious note, that is quite expected as Christianity WAS the default religion of England for nearly a thousand years.

Of course, and English (and most of Western) literature is shot through with biblical and religious references that are impossible to ignore

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:54:18am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

Just popping in for a moment to say hello…. I went a little long, being a snack….

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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 6:59:44am

re: #80 Belafon

A lot of the English language assumes Christianity is the default belief of the speaker and listener.

Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Major Tom’s a junkie
Strung out in heaven’s high
Hitting an all-time low

Early modern English had three huge influences: Shakespeare, The King James Authorized version of The Bible & The Book of Common Prayer.

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rhuarc  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:00:05am

re: #98 DangerMan

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They’ll be too afraid to do anything like that because Obama golfed a couple of times and the both sides police will be out in full force equating the two.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:03:20am

re: #32 William Lewis

Honestly, I’m not sure we’re worth it. We have many many flaws. It’s just the best place I’ve found for me. All I know sometimes is that the rhythms of the book of common prayer (my personal one is a modern english 1549) sing to my soul in a way nothing else does.

I learned today of a young woman, 21 years, who died on August 27, 2019. An OD of heroin on what was apparently the first time she tried it. I am going to say the office of the dead for her and then go to bed. Take care all.

When I know something is “right” my personal term is “it resonates sweetly”

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:04:32am

re: #106 rhuarc

They’ll be too afraid to do anything like that because Obama golfed a couple of times and the both sides police will be out in full force equating the two.

I don’t get the big deal about presidents playing golf. They used to criticise Bush Jr for that too. Of all the terrible, stupid things Trump does every day, golf seems the last thing to point out.

Is it just the “rich man’s game” association that pushes people’s buttons?

CL

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:09:17am

re: #108 Curious Lifeform

I don’t get the big deal about presidents playing golf. They used to criticise Bush Jr for that too. Of all the terrible, stupid things Trump does every day, golf seems the last thing to point out.

Is it just the “rich man’s game” association that pushes people’s buttons?

CL

They pick on every president for playing golf, because somehow they’re supposed to do presidenting 24/7 with no break. The reason to pick on Trump is that he does it at his golf courses and is on track to do it nearly 1/4th of his presidency.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:10:11am

re: #53 Dread Pirate

album: Bloomfield, Kooper, Stills ‘68

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Listen to it regularly
Many extra updings

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:11:16am

Hello from heartbroken Southern California. Our beloved ocean(s) is showing her deadly side this week. That monster storm was bad enough. Now as you all have probably seen we have added human misadventure by way of a deadly boat fire. Dive boat design is about to undergo change, we learn from loss just like with aircraft crashes.

With the unofficial change of seasons, switched up my avatar, a snap from the beach Saturday. Mussel Shoals is one of those private owned with scant public access beaches. The upside was uncrowded even on a hot Labor Day weekend.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:11:34am

What did Dotard tweet out to send the markets in yet another downward spiral?

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:14:58am

re: #81 Joe Bacon 🌹

How about #KillerMitch and his sidekick #RussianRand?

You don’t get to pick the name we use to deride you
So how about #moscowmitch and just dealwiddit!

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:15:01am

re: #108 Curious Lifeform

The reason to pick on Trump is that he does it at his golf courses and is on track to do it nearly 1/4th of his presidency

Well… I’d expect him to do it on his own course… at least he’s not wasting money paying someone else… but 25% of his waking time is indeed an issue. But is that really verified?

I mean seriously… we have so many genuine things to criticise him for, this seems like a diversion that almost fuels the right’s claims of unreasonable derangement syndrome…

CL

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:15:17am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

What did Dotard tweet out to send the markets in yet another downward spiral?

The additional China tariffs that took place over the weekend.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:15:56am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

Nothing, summer is over, the adults are in charge.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:17:45am

re: #115 MsJ

The additional China tariffs that took place over the weekend.

Ah. Thanks

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:19:25am

re: #109 Belafon

They pick on every president for playing golf, because somehow they’re supposed to do presidenting 24/7 with no break. The reason to pick on Trump is that he does it at his golf courses and is on track to do it nearly 1/4th of his presidency.

he personally was very loud about Obama golfing and promised he “never” would have time

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:19:34am

Hey now, what happened to those talks that were gonna lead to deal with Chyna that Donny said were gonna happen any day now?

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:20:26am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

What did Dotard tweet out to send the markets in yet another downward spiral?

“I’m not dead yet”?

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:21:33am

Bots are swarming Twitter with the same fake news that Odessa shooter was a “Socialist Democrat” who displayed a “Beto sticker” on his vehicle.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:21:39am

re: #114 Curious Lifeform

Well… I’d expect him to do it on his own course… at least he’s not wasting money paying someone else… but 25% of his waking time is indeed an issue. But is that really verified?

I mean seriously… we have so many genuine things to criticise him for, this seems like a diversion that almost fuels the right’s claims of unreasonable derangement syndrome…

CL

He’s paying himself via taxpayer money. He shouldn’t have golf courses himself that he can go to.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:21:40am

re: #114 Curious Lifeform

Well… I’d expect him to do it on his own course… at least he’s not wasting money paying someone else… but 25% of his waking time is indeed an issue. But is that really verified?

I mean seriously… we have so many genuine things to criticise him for, this seems like a diversion that almost fuels the right’s claims of unreasonable derangement syndrome…

CL

Not paying someone else, making the government pay him. The Secret Service has to rent his golf carts, upgrade the facility’s security and communications, etc.

Not only did Obama golf less than half as often… when he did golf, 3/4 of the time it was at military courses where there’s already president-level security/comms in place, and the govt owns the carts. No extra expense.

presidentialgolftracker.com

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:24:37am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

God damn you!!!

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220 Waiting decision

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CleverToad  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:27:59am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:30:37am

re: #123 sagehen

Not only did Obama golf less than half as often… when he did golf, 3/4 of the time it was at military courses where there’s already president-level security/comms in place, and the govt owns the carts. No extra expense.

presidentialgolftracker.com

OK that makes sense - the criticism I mean. He can’t even do that as well as any other president lol.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:37:51am

re: #121 The Pie Overlord!

Bots are swarming Twitter with the same fake news that Odessa shooter was a “Socialist Democrat” who displayed a “Beto sticker” on his vehicle.

If this was the case*, Donnie would be rage tweeting about it from the golf course.

*And even if it isn’t the case, he would still be tweeting out the conspiracy.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:39:24am

re: #127 Dr. Matt

If this was the case*, Donnie would be rage tweeting about it from the golf course.

*And even if it isn’t the case, he would still be tweeting out the conspiracy.

Give it a few minutes. He is barely literate. And he is looking for stuff about him.

Other stuff takes that much longer to read and see how it benefits him personally.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:39:35am

re: #88 Belafon

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:40:00am
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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:40:26am

Welp…from the Guardian.

1m ago 15:38
It looks as if the Tory MP Philip Lee has defected to the Lib Dems. This is from politics.co.uk’s Ian Dunt.

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BigPapa  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:41:29am
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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:41:48am

re: #129 Belafon

Beware the trumpers. That Breaking911 is also suspect.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:46:27am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

Just popping in for a moment to say hello…. I went a little long, being a snack….

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:46:41am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

God damn you!!!

The subjunctive is pretty obsolete in English, but I’d think you’d have some familiarity with it, living in Germany and all. But never mind — the mood in this case is to express a wish. Expanded, it would be, “May God damn you.” A wish, not a command.

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Alephnaught  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:47:12am

Boris Johnson has now lost his parliamentary majority, as Tory MP Phillip Lee leaves his party for the Lib Dems. And he did it in a very public manner…

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:49:56am

re: #131 MsJ

Welp…from the Guardian.

wasn’t the Tory majority just one? So now they’re tied?

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:50:10am

re: #87 Curious Lifeform

No. A broken clock moment doesn’t absolve him of all the criminal misconduct he did.

We don’t give Nixon a pass because he created the EPA or went to China.
We don’t give Dubya a pass because he did the Medicare Part D.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:50:58am

re: #121 The Pie Overlord!

I can’t verify from established media— but if I use past reports linking any killing to @realDonaldTrump my deductive reasoning says MSM silence means it’s true.

that there is some unassailable logic

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:51:38am

re: #136 Alephnaught

Boris Johnson has now lost his parliamentary majority, as Tory MP Phillip Lee leaves his party for the Lib Dems. And he did it in a very public manner…

That’s it; without the majority they can’t control Parliament. The time is now to motion emergency debate.

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:51:48am

Ummm…. did Boris Johnson just lose his majority him Parliament?

What does that even mean at this point? New elections? I say we shut down the UK and Brexit until we can be sure.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:53:04am

re: #135 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

The subjunctive is pretty obsolete in English, but I’d think you’d have some familiarity with it, living in Germany and all. But never mind — the mood in this case is to express a wish. Expanded, it would be, “May God damn you.” A wish, not a command.

Jews don’t exactly “command” God… but we argue. We push back. We demand he change his mind… and sometimes he does.

“Would you destroy it if there’s 100 righteous people living there? How about 10? What about 1; it would be wrong to destroy the whole city if there one righteous man living there…”

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:54:56am

re: #137 sagehen

wasn’t the Tory majority just one? So now they’re tied?

That’s a net of two.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:56:34am

re: #141 lawhawk

Ummm…. did Boris Johnson just lose his majority him Parliament?

Yes but there are Labour pro-brexit members too. It’s a real mess.

Shutting down Parliament now will default to an exit on 31st with no deal. It’s time to take that shot down the Death Star trench.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:56:53am

re: #143 Belafon

That’s a net of two.

A new Lib Dem got sworn in today after a by-election, which means they got two new votes in the space of a day. And Boris was still yammering on about how he’s making “progress” with the EU negotiations…after he’s spent days boasting that he refused to meet with them.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:57:46am

re: #141 lawhawk

Ummm…. did Boris Johnson just lose his majority him Parliament?

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What does that even mean at this point? New elections? I say we shut down the UK and Brexit until we can be sure.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 3, 2019 • 7:59:01am

OK gotta go. I’ll be watching and updating on Ye Olde Englande later tho.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:00:00am

Of course, the same day that Boris lost his majority, he was also losing his ass in court:

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:07:22am

I honestly feel that Liz made the right call in not refusing Boris’ request, as it seems that the courts now are free to eviscerate him in a way that may have been denied had prorogation not happened. Plus the drama we saw in Parliament today might not have occurred if they weren’t up against a set time limit to make something happen. Deadlines have a way of focusing people’s minds on the need for action, rather than just waiting things out in the hopes that somebody else will step up to take the bullet.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:11:42am

re: #148 Targetpractice

Of course, the same day that Boris lost his majority, he was also losing his ass in court:

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Christ, he really is the UK version of trump.

Thank god these guys are as incompetent as they are.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:15:43am

re: #150 MsJ

Christ, he really is the UK version of trump.

Thank god these guys are as incompetent as they are.

Not that it’s entirely relevant, but also not entirely irrelevant…

Boris Johnson is longtime friends (university classmate) of Andrew Sullivan.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:16:47am

re: #150 MsJ

Christ, he really is the UK version of trump.

Thank god these guys are as incompetent as they are.

The difference is (I hope), the UK is less inclined to put up with his shit to than we are to put up with Trumps.

Can you imagine the shitstorm here if a GOP senator PHYSICALLY crossed sides to join the Dems in the middle of a Senate debate? The nutjobs would be blaming Clinton and the deep state by lunchtime.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:17:49am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

The difference is (I hope), the UK is less inclined to put up with his shit to than we are to put up with Trumps.

Can you imagine the shitstorm here if a GOP senator PHYSICALLY crossed sides to join the Dems in the middle of a Senate debate? The nutjobs would be blaming Clinton and the deep state by lunchtime.

It’s hard for republicans to cross sides when they are all fucking complicit.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:21:25am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

The difference is (I hope), the UK is less inclined to put up with his shit to than we are to put up with Trumps.

Can you imagine the shitstorm here if a GOP senator PHYSICALLY crossed sides to join the Dems in the middle of a Senate debate? The nutjobs would be blaming Clinton and the deep state by lunchtime.

Well, the biggest difference is that presidents don’t have to fear no-confidence votes and can’t call snap elections when the polls are in their favor. The fact that we have elections every four years guaranteed by the Constitution gives rise to the assumption that if you don’t like the way things are being run, you can just wait things out until the next election. And if things don’t change in that election, well then not enough people agree with you that things are shit.

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sagehen  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:27:14am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

The difference is (I hope), the UK is less inclined to put up with his shit to than we are to put up with Trumps.

Can you imagine the shitstorm here if a GOP senator PHYSICALLY crossed sides to join the Dems in the middle of a Senate debate? The nutjobs would be blaming Clinton and the deep state by lunchtime.

The closest US parallel would be Jim Jeffords (VT). Old-school liberal Republican, but when GWB was inaugurated the Senate was 50-50, with Cheney as the tie-breaker. Demand for party loyalty and bloc voting on issues he disagreed with the R’s about… pissed him off no end. He became Independent, caucusing with the D’s, giving them control of the chamber.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:31:29am

re: #153 MsJ

It’s hard for republicans to cross sides when they are all fucking complicit.

Exactly my point. I think there are plenty in Boris’ own party who have no desire to follow him off the cliff.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:32:12am

I’ve said before that Trump is just Dubya on fast-forward. Well, Boris is working to beat Trump’s records already. This is only the second day that he’s been PM with Parliament in session…and he lost his working majority. Trump had to go two years to lose that in the midterms.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:32:59am

re: #154 Targetpractice

Well, the biggest difference is that presidents don’t have to fear no-confidence votes and can’t call snap elections when the polls are in their favor. The fact that we have elections every four years guaranteed by the Constitution gives rise to the assumption that if you don’t like the way things are being run, you can just wait things out until the next election. And if things don’t change in that election, well then not enough people agree with you that things are shit.

Required elections would be one thing we would have to figure out how to keep even if we were to restructure our government to have more of a parlaimentary feel.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:39:21am

re: #136 Alephnaught

On the bright side, that also means that the DUP is, for all intents and purposes, entirely useless.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:44:35am

The tRump of Britain is a miserable failure. Shocking!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:46:28am

re: #160 Dr. Matt

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:47:06am

re: #148 Targetpractice

Of course, the same day that Boris lost his majority, he was also losing his ass in court:

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I can almost feel sorry for Johnson right now.

Fortunately such moments pass quickly.

Extra points guessing the reference. :P

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:54:35am

Boris is so invested in portraying his failure as the fault of others that even though he set up this entire situation, he’s saying anybody who votes to force another extension is undermining his negotiations. You know, the same excuse-making that Trump keeps using for why the economic slowdown is totally the media’s fault.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:57:02am

Someone explain this to me.

Johnson says Tory Brexiters would face deselection if they refused to back any deal he agreed
The Conservative Huw Merriman says, if the Tories are going to remove the whip from MPs who rebel tonight, will Johnson also remove the whip from any MPs who do not back any deal he does bring back to the Commons.

(Some of the hardline Brexiters in the European Research Group says, even with the removal of the backstop, they would still find the Brexit deal unacceptable.)

Johnson confirms this would happen. “What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,” he says.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 8:59:27am

Johnson dreams of doing what May could not, namely come up with a deal that will satisfy the hard-line Brexiteers while still convincing enough non-hardliners to agree.

The Northern Ireland Backstop is a major stumbling block on the way to that majority

And no sane person wants a hard Brexit.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:07:46am

Yikes.

How very trump like.

Going as planned.

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retired cynic  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:10:33am

Fireworks in Parliament can’t compare to the beauty here:

Magnificent Photographs of Japan’s Summer Firework Festivals
thisiscolossal.com

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Decatur Deb  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:11:29am

Reset to Zero:

14-year-old confesses to killing his dad, stepmom and three siblings in their Alabama home, authorities say

cnn.com

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:13:17am

re: #166 MsJ

Yikes.

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johnson and trump

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:15:25am

re: #164 MsJ

Someone explain this to me.

Speaking as a layman, the way I grasp it is Boris is threatening to eject any Tories who defy him from the party. Which is really a sign of how little grasp he has of his position, that he’s threatening to savage his own party in order to enforce loyalty to himself.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:15:41am

Image on the right is Synthetic Aperture Radar

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:16:14am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:17:50am
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Jay C  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:19:45am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Johnson dreams of doing what May could not, namely come up with a deal that will satisfy the hard-line Brexiteers while still convincing enough non-hardliners to agree.

The Northern Ireland Backstop is a major stumbling block on the way to that majority

And no sane person wants a hard Brexit.

But who thinks the hardcore “crashout” bloc are particularly “sane”??

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:20:07am

re: #166 MsJ

Yikes.

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Yeah, Johnson’s pretty much being eviscerated on live TV.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:20:23am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, Johnson’s pretty much being eviscerated on live TV.

And it’s awesome.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:21:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:22:00am

re: #177 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

*cough*bullshit*cough*

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:26:08am

re: #177 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shorter Pence: “I don’t give a dang about how this looks. Trump needs the money.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:26:13am

fairly certain this is not a good thing:

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:26:21am

In the immortal words of Nina Simone, Mississippi Goddamn.

A Mississippi event hall has come under fire after an employee cited “our Christian race” and “our Christian belief” as reasons why it refused to allow a wedding for an interracial couple.

The Hobby Lobby decision needs to be reversed, if you are a business generally open to the public you’ve no right to discriminate.

Also, per the reference and because we need it to start the week:

Nina Simone: Mississippi Goddam

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:27:53am

Since Johnson lost his majority, what exactly does that mean? Is there going to be a vote of no confidence? Yet another new PM? A snap election?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:28:55am

re: #181 KGxvi

She has flipped. joemygod.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:29:18am

re: #182 KGxvi

Since Johnson lost his majority, what exactly does that mean? Is there going to be a vote of no confidence? Yet another new PM? A snap election?

means there will be even more chaos than initially expected

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:29:48am

re: #182 KGxvi

Since Johnson lost his majority, what exactly does that mean? Is there going to be a vote of no confidence? Yet another new PM? A snap election?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:32:57am

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

She has flipped. joemygod.com

I’m not cheering this. She’s only doing this because she got called out for her bigotry and wants it to stop.

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:32:57am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

So the choices are: no deal, shit deal, or just give up and stay?

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:33:40am

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m not cheering this. She’s only doing this because she got called out for her bigotry and wants it to stop.

Yeah, we need an interfaith, interracial, gay couple to test this new found enlightenment.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:34:04am

Tourists boycott Texas as gun laws loosened after mass shootings

Terrified tourists are vowing to boycott Texas after new laws easing gun restrictions were put in place just hours after the state’s second mass shooting in a month.

The eight laws, which make it easier to carry guns in public in the Lone Star state — including schools and churches — went into effect Sunday, the morning after Seth Ator, 36, killed seven in a drive-by rampage in Odessa.

His massacre came four weeks after Patrick Crusius, 21, allegedly slaughtered 22 people at a Walmart in El Paso — meaning four of the 10 deadliest shootings in modern US history have now been in Texas, CNN noted.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:34:19am

re: #182 KGxvi

Since Johnson lost his majority, what exactly does that mean? Is there going to be a vote of no confidence? Yet another new PM? A snap election?

Short explanation: He’s still PM until a vote of no confidence, but he’s effectively been neutered. He can’t move any bills without votes from the opposition, he can’t claim to represent the majority of Her Majesty’s gov’t, and (most importantly) the DUP has been rendered powerless. He could try to form a new gov’t, but at this point it’s unlikely to go anywhere with Labour or the Lib Dems.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:36:26am

re: #187 KGxvi

Looks like it’s coming down to either a second referendum or revocation of Article 50.

Like I said earlier, regardless of how this all goes down, Britain is going to be dealing with the fallout of this debacle for the next ten years, and maybe longer than that.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:37:40am

re: #172 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

those people are lucky they arent citizens of the united states living on an island with ‘rico’ in its name

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:39:53am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Looks like it’s coming down to either a second referendum or revocation of Article 50.

Like I said earlier, regardless of how this all goes down, Britain is going to be dealing with the fallout of this debacle for the next ten years, and maybe longer than that.

The EU, as a whole, will probably be dealing with it for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were alterations to Article 50 if there’s another round of EU treaty negotiations, making it even more difficult for members to leave the Union.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:40:21am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:41:51am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Asshole.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:42:56am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pence is going to need to have his mouth surgically removed from DT’s ass when this is over.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:44:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:48:06am

JFC, what a fucking snowflake

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:48:36am

re: #170 Targetpractice

Speaking as a layman, the way I grasp it is Boris is threatening to eject any Tories who defy him from the party. Which is really a sign of how little grasp he has of his position, that he’s threatening to savage his own party in order to enforce loyalty to himself.

Well, THAT sounds familiar.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:49:17am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 190901 edition ———————->

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:49:44am

heh

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:50:36am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a fucking snowflake

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Got the name right this time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:50:46am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a fucking snowflake

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You got involved with his business by talking about Brexit, you chode goblin.

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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:51:07am

About the only thing going for Boris right now is that this took place after he made his request of Liz. If it had occurred after today, she could have rightly told him where to get off.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:51:25am

Putin’s getting what he wants. Chaos and uncertainty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:51:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:54:01am

moron is having a really bad morning

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:56:46am

re: #164 MsJ

Someone explain this to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:57:56am
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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:58:39am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

With Johnson losing control of parlaiment, this will be interesting to see. But, considering conservative in both countries means “loyal to party” I don’t expect a whole lot.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:58:50am

Brexit in three paragraphs:

Mr Gove, minister for no-deal planning, had been expected to publish extracts of the document on Tuesday as part of his efforts to prepare the UK for the possibility of Brexit taking place without an agreement on October 31.

Government officials worked throughout the weekend overhauling the Operation Yellowhammer document, and Mr Gove had hoped to use the work to prove that he had a grip on potential no-deal problems.

But, on Monday, Mr Gove and fellow cabinet ministers decided to abandon Tuesday’s publication of the document. “The meeting didn’t go well,” said one person close to the meeting. “The whole thing was seen as far too pessimistic about no deal.”

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 9:59:16am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump has no clue how to handle someone that doesn’t just do what he says.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:00:01am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does deselected? They’re elected officials. Are they getting thrown out of the party (or the country :-D)?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:00:15am
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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:00:36am

re: #211 MsJ

“The whole thing was seen as far too pessimistic about no deal.”

Call me crazy, but… and hear me out… that sounds like the sort of thing that people in a representative democracy should actually know about.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:01:23am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a fucking snowflake

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I see he redid his tweets to spell his name correctly.

Moron.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:02:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:02:58am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

The overall message was that the UK has not brought forward any concrete proposals to replace the backstop.

The default setting is to close the inner-Irish border.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:03:17am

re: #215 KGxvi

Call me crazy, but… and hear me out… that sounds like the sort of thing that people in a representative democracy should actually know about.

Yeah, if you’re in a functioning representative democracy.

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:03:33am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a rabble rousing extremist who is attacking the Mayor of London because he’s got a Muslim sounding name, and the guy isn’t kowtowing to the know nothing Trump.

Crime in London is lower than similar sized cities in the US (namely NYC). Gun crime is a fraction. Overall crime is lower. London can break out crime by knife because that’s the most serious crime they usually come across. Gun crimes are far more rare than they are here in the US.

Per capita gun death rate is a fraction of the US rates.

So yeah, Trump’s a fucking dumbass flinging bulkshit for his know nothing base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:04:08am

re: #213 MsJ

What does deselected? They’re elected officials. Are they getting thrown out of the party (or the country :-D)?

They won’t be allowed to stand for election as Tories ever again.
Not sure how big of a threat that is.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:04:13am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

politics. aint. beanbag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:06:16am
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CleverToad  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:06:26am

re: #51 uriel

I think part of the problem is that, while all of us are communicating in written form here on the internet, we are usually composing those posts using a mental narration that doesn’t necessarily come across in a nonverbal form. So, while one may be using a reasoned and patient tone of voice in one’s head, simply describing the issues you have, that doesn’t necessarily come across in the acsii text we’re putting out.

When you add to this the very serious discrimination atheists encounter in real life, combined with the also very real apprehension and fear at the bizarre influence that figures like Osteen’s or Falwell’s “gospel of self interested, hyper-focused hate” have on the public at large- well, that can rub you raw enough to forget that the specific person you are replying to is not, necessarily, a part of the problem you are trying to address.

But that’s just me. I’ll admit, “tone policing” is something I’ve learned to live with.

Very aware of the the limitations of written-only communication, as witness I’m sitting here now wondering if the reference to “tone policing” indicates that you feel I was doing that in my post. If so, I apologize!

And yes, it is frightening and sickening to watch the Pharisees leverage the out-sized influence they’ve gained over the past four decades to consolidate their power, in the name of a religion whose precepts they don’t even try to pretend they practice.

It’s a sore subject, rubbed raw on most of us by now. But grateful for this site where we have bonds that cross disparate viewpoints, and most of the discussions stay thoughtful and reasonable. At least till pineapple and eggplant come into it…

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:07:15am

re: #215 KGxvi

Call me crazy, but… and hear me out… that sounds like the sort of thing that people in a representative democracy should actually know about.

Normally, I would agree, but…no, wait. I do agree.

Silly us!

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:07:21am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:07:47am
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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:09:21am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t be allowed to stand for election as Tories ever again.
Not sure how big of a threat that is.

Wow. That is significant.

And you’re right. I would think some of them are thinking SO?

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:09:34am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The one message that came back very forcefully from the meeting was that there are no concrete proposals,” says one source. “Nothing has been put on the table, not even a proper sketch or hint of a plan. We’re waiting. But for the moment there is zilch.”

it’s the R’s repeal and replace obamacare with something “much much better”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:09:50am

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

BREAKING: Walmart will discontinue all sales of short-barrel rifle ammunition that can be used with military style weapons, discontinue sales of handgun ammunition and stop all handgun sales in Alaska, following two shootings at Walmart stores this summer

Have they started calling for a Walmart boycott yet?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:10:11am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. Boris is having a nervous meltdown and taking the Tories with him.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:11:28am

re: #220 lawhawk

He’s a rabble rousing extremist who is attacking the Mayor of London because he’s got a Muslim sounding name, and the guy isn’t kowtowing to the know nothing Trump.

Crime in London is lower than similar sized cities in the US (namely NYC). Gun crime is a fraction. Overall crime is lower. London can break out crime by knife because that’s the most serious crime they usually come across. Gun crimes are far more rare than they are here in the US.

Per capita gun death rate is a fraction of the US rates.

So yeah, Trump’s a fucking dumbass flinging bulkshit for his know nothing base.

Seems to me any Republican saying a WORD about knife crime needs to STFU. Our issue is goddamn assault rifles.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:12:43am

re: #232 BlueGrl21

Seems to me any Republican saying a WORD about knife crime needs to STFU. Our issue is goddamn assault rifles.

It is one of their standard “what about?” fallback positions.

Remember the fellow up in Las Vegas flinging hundreds of knives out that hotel window?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:13:06am

“they get paid for loaning money”
WTH is he even talking about?
Don’t even try explaining it…

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:13:17am

re: #226 lawhawk

gee, and i read the “of course not!” as of course he wouldnt be a republican
guess D’stupid didnt mean that ;-)

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BlueGrl21  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:13:44am

re: #224 CleverToad

Very aware of the the limitations of written-only communication, as witness I’m sitting here now wondering if the reference to “tone policing” indicates that you feel I was doing that in my post. If so, I apologize!

And yes, it is frightening and sickening to watch the Pharisees leverage the out-sized influence they’ve gained over the past four decades to consolidate their power, in the name of a religion whose precepts they don’t even try to pretend they practice.

It’s a sore subject, rubbed raw on most of us by now. But grateful for this site where we have bonds that cross disparate viewpoints, and most of the discussions stay thoughtful and reasonable. At least till pineapple and eggplant come into it…

The Pharisees have rubbed all of us raw, whatever beliefs we have. That’s what we need to remember.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:14:50am

re: #229 DangerMan

it’s the R’s repeal and replace obamacare with something “much much better”

i should have added, “and for which after 8 or 10 years they still got nothing to show us

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:15:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:15:59am

re: #237 DangerMan

i should have added, “and for which after 8 or 10 years they still got nothing to show us

Nothing is all they want to give us.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:16:18am

re: #238 MsJ

*Fixed

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:16:55am

re: #240 MsJ

*Fixed

*TWICE

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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:20:21am

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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WTF do they mean by short barrel rifle ammunition? I’m not usually one of those who squeals about clip/magazine or the definition of AR but good lord that’s gobbledygook. I’m guessing they’re stopping sales of 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 9x19 & .45acp and similar but that blurb is so dumb I’m not sure.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:20:53am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t be allowed to stand for election as Tories ever again.
Not sure how big of a threat that is.

Unless down the line the Tories change their minds.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:21:52am

re: #243 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Unless down the line the Tories change their minds.

and change their leadership

but as I recall, it was the party who but BJ in charge

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:22:05am

So, Brexit is doing in how many governments in the UK?
Cameron, May, and Johnson.

Cameron led the UK into this fiasco. May showed that the fiasco was unworkable. Johnson showed that the fiasco was beyond farce and chaos.

The only ones who benefit from it are not in the UK or EU, but a country like Russia, who sees its European rivals weakened.

The problem isn’t Johnson. The problem is that Brexit is a cock-up that should be terminated before it proceeds any further.

They’ll slip into a no deal Brexit and no one knows the true extent of the damage that’ll do to the economy in UK or EU, and it’d probably push other parts of the world into a recession as everyone tries to shift to address the new trade conditions. Businesses are already shifting to avoid the UK.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:27:28am

re: #245 lawhawk

They’ll slip into a no deal Brexit and no one knows the true extent of the damage that’ll do to the economy in UK or EU, and it’d probably push other parts of the world into a recession as everyone tries to shift to address the new trade conditions. Businesses are already shifting to avoid the UK.

And recall that one reason the Scottish independence referendum failed was over the uncertainty, and the prospect of being left stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being taken back in as a separate state (Spain would not want to set a precedent for Catalonia)

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:27:31am

re: #242 William Lewis

Today, we’re sharing the decisions we’ve made that go further:

After selling through our current inventory commitments, we will discontinue sales of short-barrel rifle ammunition such as the .223 caliber and 5.56 caliber that, while commonly used in some hunting rifles, can also be used in large capacity clips on military-style weapons;
We will sell through and discontinue handgun ammunition; and
We will discontinue handgun sales in Alaska, marking our complete exit from handguns.
We know these decisions will inconvenience some of our customers, and we hope they will understand. As a company, we experienced two horrific events in one week, and we will never be the same. Our remaining assortment will be even more focused on the needs of hunting and sport shooting enthusiasts. It will include long barrel deer rifles and shotguns, much of the ammunition they require, as well as hunting and sporting accessories and apparel. We believe these actions will reduce our market share of ammunition from around 20% to a range of approximately 6 to 9%. We believe it will likely drift toward the lower end of that range, over time, given the combination of these changes.

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Alephnaught  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:28:37am

re: #213 MsJ

What does deselected? They’re elected officials. Are they getting thrown out of the party (or the country :-D)?

They’re deselected from standing as a Conservative candidate in the next General Election. They can still serve their constituents until then. But come next election, they’ll either have to stand for another party, or as an independent.

What amazes me about Boris’ threat is that, even if his majority wasn’t reduced to zero today, he’s still threatening to create a whole block of independent MPs, and continue as a minority government.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:30:11am

re: #62 steve_davis

i heartily endorse the Episcopal church. there aren’t many of us, but that’s because we have really high standards!

From my childhood memory:

“We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us.”

1928 Book of Common Prayer

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:30:31am
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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:30:41am

re: #192 DangerMan

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those people are lucky they arent citizens of the united states living on an island with ‘rico’ in its name

Let’s aid them first, then we can squabble about Trump’s treatment of PR.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:31:25am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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all of the hands in that photo look so weird

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:31:48am

re: #251 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

Let’s aid them first, then we can squabble about Trump’s treatment of PR.

Sending aid for the tax exiles, I assume

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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:33:01am

re: #236 BlueGrl21

The Pharisees have rubbed all of us raw, whatever beliefs we have. That’s what we need to remember.

Please don’t use the word Pharisees for these scum. The Pharisees were a devout group of Jewish believers who disagreed with Jesus about details of worship and theology. The primacy of Torah and Mishnah (since both Pharisees and Jesus predated the Talmud) were taken for granted and the validity of arguing about their interpretation was understood. Unfortunately the authors of the Gospels had their own agendas and especially in John’s gospel, the disagreements become more important that the agreements and 2000 years of antisemitism got its start.

The Osteens, the Grahams, the Falwells of the world do not work within that context. They are hypocrites, not Pharisees who are devout but disagreed with. They are, at best, heritics in the sense that what they do is pretend to believe in Christianity while subverting the actual teachings of Christ with the heresy of inerrancy, Calvinism and Darby’s end times not to mention the idolatry of certainty and antisemitism.

Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:33:30am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:33:37am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:33:48am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And recall that one reason the Scottish independence referendum failed was over the uncertainty, and the prospect of being left stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being taken back in as a separate state (Spain would not want to set a precedent for Catalonia)

There’s plenty of speculation that a no-deal Brexit crashout would almost certainly lead to a second Scottish independence referendum (which might win this time around) and also lead to the unification of Ireland.

In a nutshell, the end of the United Kingdom. Shattered beyond repair.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:33:48am
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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:35:05am

re: #247 lawhawk

Thank you. That’s what I figured they probably meant but man that first post was a mess. This isn’t a lot better (short barrel has little to do with anything) but the fact that they are the usual ammunition types for assault style weapon does.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:35:32am

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Every morning, when I wake up here in Europe, I check my phone to see what fresh hell awaits.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:36:30am

re: #258 MsJ

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That seems to be the plan - the Tories have completely shit the bed, and now they’re just going to have to lie in it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:37:02am

re: #242 William Lewis

WTF do they mean by short barrel rifle ammunition? I’m not usually one of those who squeals about clip/magazine or the definition of AR but good lord that’s gobbledygook. I’m guessing they’re stopping sales of 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 9x19 & .45acp and similar but that blurb is so dumb I’m not sure.

5.45x39, 5.56x45, 5.7x28, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.8mm SPC, 7.62x39, .300 BLK. .458 SOCOM
Really, the list could go on forever. Technically, they’ve basically vowed to even stop selling 7.62x51/.308 with that statement.

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lawhawk  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:37:17am

re: #256 Charles Johnson

He’s ranting could now apply to either Boris Johnson or the Tangerine Toddler as Boris watches as his Brexit dream is being botched brilliantly.

Trump is Trump. He’s always an embarrassment.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:37:33am
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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:38:15am

re: #249 BeenHereAwhile

From my childhood memory:

“We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; And we have done those things which we ought not to have done; And there is no health in us.”

1928 Book of Common Prayer

It was moments like that which brought me home to the Anglican communion, though I like the 1979 versions language better.

From the New Zealand Prayer Book:

Lord,
it is night.

The night is for stillness.
Let us be still in the presence of God.

It is night after a long day.
What has been done has been done;
what has not been done has not been done;
let it be.

The night is dark.
Let our fears of the darkness of the world and of our own lives
rest in you.

The night is quiet.
Let the quietness of your peace enfold us,
all dear to us,
and all who have no peace.

The night heralds the dawn.
Let us look expectantly to a new day,
new joys,
new possibilities.

In your name we pray.
Amen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:38:40am
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:39:47am

I wish to live in uninteresting times.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:40:13am

re: #254 William Lewis

I wouldn’t be trying to equate the way the writers of the Gospels dealt with Jesus and the Pharisees to antisemitism. That’s a totally separate thing. The pharisees there were pretty much about keeping their power, and didn’t really like someone outside their group coming along and challenging everything. The money changers at the temple are an exmple of this. I mean really, why were they allowed to operate there?

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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:41:05am

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

5.45x39, 5.56x45, 5.7x28, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.8mm SPC, 7.62x39, .300 BLK. .458 SOCOM
Really, the list could go on forever. Technically, they’ve basically vowed to even stop selling 7.62x51/.308 with that statement.

I doubt that .308 will go as it is a very popular hunting round. The rest is no loss to the hunting world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:41:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:42:57am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:43:15am

re: #242 William Lewis

WTF do they mean by short barrel rifle ammunition? I’m not usually one of those who squeals about clip/magazine or the definition of AR but good lord that’s gobbledygook. I’m guessing they’re stopping sales of 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 9x19 & .45acp and similar but that blurb is so dumb I’m not sure.

From the CEO’s statement, that looks like the case. Notably, they are also banning open carry. In Texas this legally requires an elaborate sign in front of every entrance, once again demonstrating GOP hypocrisy about private property rights.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:43:37am

Here you see one of the major differences between a Parliamentary system and the American system.

In a Parliamentary system, the head of state is FAR more directly tied to the party he represents (in fact, they are the ones who choose him or her in the first place) than the American President is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:44:02am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

— accuses Corbyn and rebels of acting “in Brussels’ interest, not the British interest”

Because the key tenet of Brexiteer doctrine is that it is a matter of UK vs EU.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:44:38am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because the key tenet of Brexiteer doctrine is that it is a matter of UK vs EU.

Which is exactly how Putin wants it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:44:50am

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

Here you see one of the major differences between a Parliamentary system and the American system.

In a Parliamentary system, the head of state is FAR more directly tied to the party he represents (in fact, they are the ones who choose him or her in the first place) than the American President is.

BoJo is the head of government. In the UK, the Monarch is the head of state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:45:01am

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

Here you see one of the major differences between a Parliamentary system and the American system.

In a Parliamentary system, the head of state is FAR more directly tied to the party he represents (in fact, they are the ones who choose him or her in the first place) than the American President is.

In that sense, closer to our Speaker of the House or the President of the Senate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:45:03am
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William Lewis  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:45:48am

re: #268 Belafon

I wouldn’t be trying to equate the way the writers of the Gospels dealt with Jesus and the Pharisees to antisemitism. That’s a totally separate thing. The pharisees there were pretty much about keeping their power, and didn’t really like someone outside their group coming along and challenging everything. The money changers at the temple are an exmple of this. I mean really, why were they allowed to operate there?

Because only temple coin could be used to make offerings and there were Jews coming to the temple from all over the known world - Babylon, Egypt, Rome and further. Each would have had their coin from where they lived that needed to be exchanged for coin which could then be used to buy doves or other sacrificial animals for temple offering.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:46:49am

re: #269 William Lewis

I doubt that .308 will go as it is a very popular hunting round. The rest is no loss to the hunting world.

I would imagine that small local dealers will be jumping for joy. It will certainly cause more customers to enter their stores

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Alephnaught  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:47:17am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And recall that one reason the Scottish independence referendum failed was over the uncertainty, and the prospect of being left stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being taken back in as a separate state (Spain would not want to set a precedent for Catalonia)

There is an important difference with the situation in Spain. The constitution Spain adopted post-Franco specifically names the various constituent parts of Spain, including Catalonia, as part of Spain. Therefore, barring a constitutional amendment- which the rest of Spain would not support, any moves by Catalonia to secede would be unconstitutional. However in the UK, the Union of Parliaments of 1707 is a bilateral agreement, from which either side can leave. Technically, Scotland could just declare independence and that would be legal. However it’s generally agreed that there would have to be a popular mandate for this.

Now, there is a popular mandate for Independence in Catalonia (There was a referendum not so long ago, and the Catalonian government declared independence as a result), but it collides with the Spanish constitution. The EU has shown that it’s willing to take the side of Spain over Catalonia, so I expect Spain are less worried now about Scottish independence setting a precedent for Spain, but they might still be wary of pushing things.

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:47:41am

re: #247 lawhawk

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while what walmart is doing is laudable, they are only doing it because it happened directly to them

otherwise it would still be business as usual

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:48:55am

re: #281 Alephnaught

I expect Spain are less worried now about Scottish independence setting a precedent for Spain, but they might still be wary of pushing things.

Also, they would simply be taking a part of the EU back into the fold that got sucked along in the massive Bexshitstorm (has that phrase come up yet?)

ah yes, already has its own hashtag

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DangerMan  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:49:38am

re: #251 (((Viking Sea Mexican)))

Let’s aid them first, then we can squabble about Trump’s treatment of PR.

Of course but you know what I mean…

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:51:17am

re: #284 DangerMan

Of course but you know what I mean…

I know, I know. Been there, done that, lost the shirt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:51:21am
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gocart mozart  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:51:39am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:53:11am

re: #282 DangerMan

while what walmart is doing is laudable, they are only doing it because it happened directly to them

otherwise it would still be business as usual

As soon as a Texas mosque arms its members and posts them outside during a “Christian” open carry hate-demonstration, you will hear a different tune from the “gun churches.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:53:43am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:55:16am

re: #287 gocart mozart

That “OT OG” made me laugh out loud.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 3, 2019 • 10:59:22am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

BoJo is the head of government. In the UK, the Monarch is the head of state.

Ah yes, you are correct. Pesky monarchies.

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:01:59am

Man…this is gonna be interesting.

Letwin says he has proposed his plan because of four facts.

First, the government has not come up with a plan for a Brexit deal, he says.

Second, he says this week is the last chance MPs will have to block a no-deal Brexit.

Third, he says the government has said it is willing to go ahead with no-deal.

And, fourth, he says a no-deal would be a serious threat to the country.

He says Boris Johnson is like someone standing on one side of a canyon shouting to people on the other side that, if they do not do as he says, he will jump off.

Keep following this. theguardian.com

(I am putting it here as I am moving to my phone).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:02:22am

TD Seven is now TS Fernand

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Alephnaught  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:05:23am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Also, they would simply be taking a part of the EU back into the fold that got sucked along in the massive Bexshitstorm (has that phrase come up yet?)

ah yes, already has its own hashtag

Yes, and it would be a similar story if Ireland were to decide to reunite. In fact, it might be ideal for the EU, as it would create an EU-Scotland-Ireland trade channel, without the hassle of having to go through post-Brexit (whatever remains of) UK.

Also, even during the wait for Scotland to rejoin the EU, it can join EFTA/EEA and be part of the EU single market.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:06:59am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:07:23am

re: #294 Alephnaught

Yes, and it would be a similar story if Ireland were to decide to reunite. In fact, it might be ideal for the EU, as it would create an EU-Scotland-Ireland trade channel, without the hassle of having to go through post-Brexit (whatever remains of) UK.

Also, even during the wait for Scotland to rejoin the EU, it can join EFTA/EEA and be part of the EU single market.

And after a period of time, England and Wales would probably inevitably end up re-joining the EU.

So when all is said and done, Brexit would’ve been all for nothing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:07:49am
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Targetpractice  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:12:39am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

“Defense network computers. New… powerful… hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:12:51am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

More like “Colossus: The Forbin Project”:

Colossus The Forbin Project Ending

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:14:09am

The statement by Walmart CEO McMillon is likely to produce an unprecedented outburst of frothing rage from the usual suspects. I expect veritable armies of gun pedants to take to the net to denounce his apparent reference to the AR-15 as “clip fed” and that will be only the smallest part of it. They have already declared a boycott, which leaves them basically no place to buy groceries since all other big retailers have similar policies. Maybe they can finally try to make use of those legacy seeds and home canning supplies they stashed away for Obama’s eternally pending gun grab. Lots of luck.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:14:25am

re: #299 Eric The Fruit Bat

I can’t help but wonder if James Cameron saw Colossus when he was a kid and it stuck with him. It’s no secret he’s a big sci-fi geek.

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KGxvi  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:19:20am

re: #298 Targetpractice

“Defense network computers. New… powerful… hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination.”

This is literally the plot to every single SciFi movie or show involving AI. I, Robot; The Matrix; Terminator. Like, this isn’t hard to see how it goes wrong.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:19:22am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:21:40am

re: #302 KGxvi

This is literally the plot to every single SciFi movie or show involving AI. I, Robot; The Matrix; Terminator. Like, this isn’t hard to see how it goes wrong.

Don’t forget the murderous HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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gocart mozart  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:26:10am

Scum of the scum. Malkin tweeting Loomer lies

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CleverToad  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:26:18am

re: #254 William Lewis

Please don’t use the word Pharisees for these scum. The Pharisees were a devout group of Jewish believers who disagreed with Jesus about details of worship and theology. The primacy of Torah and Mishnah (since both Pharisees and Jesus predated the Talmud) were taken for granted and the validity of arguing about their interpretation was understood. Unfortunately the authors of the Gospels had their own agendas and especially in John’s gospel, the disagreements become more important that the agreements and 2000 years of antisemitism got its start.

The Osteens, the Grahams, the Falwells of the world do not work within that context. They are hypocrites, not Pharisees who are devout but disagreed with. They are, at best, heritics in the sense that what they do is pretend to believe in Christianity while subverting the actual teachings of Christ with the heresy of inerrancy, Calvinism and Darby’s end times not to mention the idolatry of certainty and antisemitism.

Thanks.

Understood, will refrain. Thanks.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 3, 2019 • 11:34:45am

re: #294 Alephnaught

Yes, and it would be a similar story if Ireland were to decide to reunite. In fact, it might be ideal for the EU, as it would create an EU-Scotland-Ireland trade channel, without the hassle of having to go through post-Brexit (whatever remains of) UK.

Also, even during the wait for Scotland to rejoin the EU, it can join EFTA/EEA and be part of the EU single market.

I look forward to the new UC — the united Celts’, i.e. Wales, Scotland and (united) Ireland — petitioning to join the EU.

Off to the gym. Later…

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uriel  Sep 3, 2019 • 12:25:45pm

re: #224 CleverToad

Very aware of the the limitations of written-only communication, as witness I’m sitting here now wondering if the reference to “tone policing” indicates that you feel I was doing that in my post. If so, I apologize!

No, I was being self-deprecating with that. Sorry!


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