Dan Tepfer: The Piano That’s Also an Accompanist: Tiny Desk Concert

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Watch Dan Tepfer play “Canon At The Octave”, “Tremolo”, “TriadSculpture” and “Constant Motion” at the Tiny Desk.

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Aug. 29, 2019 | Colin Marshall — Dan Tepfer has transformed the acoustic piano entirely with his new project, Natural Machines. Watch the keys and you’ll see this Disklavier — a player piano — plucking notes on its own. But it’s not a prerecorded script.

Here’s how it works: Tepfer plays a note, and a computer program he authored reads those notes and tells the piano what to play in response. Tepfer can load different algorithms into the program that determine the pattern of playback, like one that returns the same note, only an octave higher. Another will play the inverted note based on the center of the piano keys. These rules create interesting restrictions that Tepfer says make room for thoughtful improvisation. In his words, he’s not writing these songs, so much as writing the way they work. To better communicate what’s happening between him and the piano, Tepfer converted these audio-impulse data into visualizations on the screen behind him, displaying in real time the notes he plays followed by the piano’s feedback. We dive even deeper into this project in a recent Jazz Night in America video piece.

Perhaps the trickiest part here, unlike a human-to-human duo, is that the computer plays along with 100 percent accuracy based solely on Tepfer’s moves. He compares it to dancing with a robot that never misses a beat. Tepfer has to play in kind to keep the train on the tracks, but if he falls out of step, so does the computer. On the other hand, Tepfer has unlocked a new frontier of music available to acoustic piano players: He’s essentially given himself more limbs to play the piano at once, and at times we see more than 10 keys pressed at a time or a sequence of notes played at seemingly superhuman speeds. It’s a central idea to what innovative technology enables for us — that which is impossible for us to achieve on our own.

SET LIST
“Canon At The Octave”
“Tremolo”
“TriadSculpture”
“Constant Motion”

MUSICIANS
Dan Tepfer: piano, coding

CREDITS
Producers: Colin Marshall, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineers: Josh Rogosin, James Willetts; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Bronson Arcuri; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Production Assistant: Paul Georgoulis; Photo: Olivia Falcigno/NPR

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:43:44pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:49:08pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:51:41pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:52:54pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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It must really suck to know that you couldn’t get a gig on Dancing With The Stars!

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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:54:10pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:55:27pm

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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:56:38pm
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:58:08pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

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Just like Trump, Boris is showing the real reason for what he is doing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2019 • 8:59:59pm

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:01:20pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sounds fair.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:05:56pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:06:01pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

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“Lord Covfefe, we summon thee!”

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teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:10:49pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:13:04pm

Yikes! A friend just sent me this link. I may know this person but I’ll keep it to myself until there is confirmation.

FBI /ATF investigating after executing search warrant at Lubbock home, apparently in connection with Midland/Odessa shootings

LUBBOCK, Texas (KCBD) - FBI and the ATF are still investigating after serving a search warrant in the 3400 block of Mesa Road in Lubbock, across from the Lubbock Country Club, apparently in connection with the Midland/Odessa shootings from Saturday.

We’re still waiting on official confirmation, but we believe this search is related to the manufacture and sale of the AR-15 used in the Midland/Odessa shootings.

The search was conducted around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday.

The Wall Street Journal reports that law enforcement is investigating a person of interest in Lubbock, suspected of illegally manufacturing and selling the rifle used in Saturday’s mass shooting in Midland/Odessa.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:15:45pm

I’m damned glad I had my AK-47 de-activated rather than selling it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:17:51pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

yikes

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:19:09pm

In unimportant local weather, summer will be turned back on for tomorrow (high 94°F). Severe thunderstorms are scheduled for Friday night.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:24:04pm

Reading the text service area forecast discussion for Cheyenne, Wyo. they describe the reason for the upcoming heavy thunderstorms.

The remnants of Tropical Storm Ferdnand will move around a high pressure ridge and into SE Wyoming and the Nebraska Panhandle.

Perhaps I need to borrow Trump’s Sharpie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:25:16pm

Got to 94 and humid here in Los Angeles.

When I got to my apartment tonight the main room temperature was 100. Air conditioner has been going full blast since 6PM and the room has “cooled” to 85…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:27:30pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

Got to 94 and humid here in Los Angeles.

When I got to my apartment tonight the main room temperature was 100. Air conditioner has been going full blast since 6PM and the room has “cooled” to 85…

Ugh. Our little window air conditioner keeps the house cool enough. It seems to do okay even on the really hot days.

When our last air conditioner died, we were close to dying here with 100°F temps inside every day.

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:30:23pm

I don’t know how you stand it. If it gets above 80 in the house here, I have trouble. Just can’t handle the heat. You in LA and NE are stronger than I am, for sure!

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Scout  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:39:36pm

re: #21 retired cynic

I don’t know how you stand it. If it gets above 80 in the house here, I have trouble. Just can’t handle the heat. You in LA and NE are stronger than I am, for sure!

Please never visit Tokyo during summer. The “feels like” rating in the weather reports is routinely over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 4, 2019 • 9:57:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:09:26pm

It’s not even close.

Recycling and using public transit are all fine and good if you want to reduce your carbon footprint, but to truly make a difference you should have fewer children. That’s the conclusion of a new study in which researchers looked at 39 peer-reviewed papers, government reports, and web-based programs that assess how an individual’s lifestyle choices might shrink their personal share of emissions.

Many commonly promoted options, such as washing clothes in cold water or swapping incandescent bulbs for light-emitting diodes, have only a moderate impact (see chart, below), the team reports today in Environmental Research Letters. But four lifestyle choices had a major impact: Become a vegetarian, forego air travel, ditch your car, and—most significantly—have fewer children.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:09:41pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:15:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:33:00pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Well, checking out that list:

I have one child (he’s thirty-one), my wife has no children. Pretty tough to reduce there.
Can’t live car-free here, no public transportation at all.
Avoid one trans-Atlantic trip. We’ve only made one.
Buy green energy? Does it come in bags or cans?
Buy a more efficient car. They aren’t much more efficient than mine.
Eat a plant-based diet. There’s a lot to unpack there. I’m not a vegetarian, so mostly no.
Replace gasoline with a hybrid. Sure, just need a huge injection in my bank account.
Wash clothes in cold water. Already do that with rare exceptions.
Recycle. Recycling is not available here. Where we can, we reuse though.
Hang dry clothes. Already do that most of the time.
Upgrade light bulbs. Most of my lights are tube florescents.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:48:27pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:49:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:51:10pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

Well, whoever Trump was retweeting, the account has been suspended.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:51:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 10:55:42pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:02:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:05:38pm

Third of four tweets:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:07:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:13:51pm

A man here locally found as a person in unlawful possession of a firearm has been jailed and is held on $250,000 bond.

starherald.com

He was in a rollover accident on a county road. Officers saw two boxes of 7mm rifle ammunition in the vehicle. One of the women involved in the crash told the county sheriff he had a firearm in his house, so the Scott’s Bluff County Sheriff’s office obtained a warrant to search his house. A gun was not reported found, but they found ammunition and receipts for it, spent cartridges, and gun accessories.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:14:45pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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The Brexiters are waging one last stands in the Lords, trying to drag out votes on amendments to prevent a vote before 5pm Friday when Parliament is prorogued.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:20:26pm

There’s a secret liberal west of me.

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Stop unwittingly supporting Israel’s use of apartheid practices (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Minatare is a town of 800 people. I imagine probably everyone in town knows him.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:25:54pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Third of four tweets:

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My youngest is working towards a teaching degree. Senior at Mills. It makes me nervous but a lot of jobs have inherent dangers.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:29:04pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

The Brexiters are waging one last stands in the Lords, trying to drag out votes on amendments to prevent a vote before 5pm Friday when Parliament is prorogued.

Looks like that might be over. Apparently, the House of Lords has dropped their filibuster efforts. Rumors are swirling as to the reason why - everything from a gentleman’s agreement for immediate snap elections to rumors that the government (Johnson and his cabinet) have basically given up and decided to face the inevitable.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:34:04pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

The Brexiters are waging one last stands in the Lords, trying to drag out votes on amendments to prevent a vote before 5pm Friday when Parliament is prorogued.

Here’s the story:

The House of Lords has agreed to get the Benn bill ruling out a no-deal Brexit through all stages of parliament before it is suspended by Boris Johnson.

Around 1.30am on Thursday following late-night debate, peers were told it had been agreed that the bill - which has been passed by rebel Tories and opposition MPs in the Commons - would be returned to the lower house by 5pm on Friday, ruling out the prospect of attempts at a filibuster.

It could then be voted on again by MPs on Monday and presented for royal assent, the Lords heard. Peers are set to debate the Benn bill itself and amendments on Thursday.

Baroness Smith, Labour’s leader in the House of Lords, said the opposition supported the move, and hoped there would be “no further frustrations” of the bill on Friday.

theguardian.com

Like I said, rumors are swirling as to why this happened - but one obvious answer is that there are more Labour and LibDem peers than Tory peers; the Tories were simply outnumbered.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 4, 2019 • 11:46:38pm

video, 15:05, caution for wingnut)

Josh Bernstein is mad James Comey wasn’t convicted of anything and calls for 100,000 people to protest in Washington. (After calling for peaceful protest, he alludes to violence if he doesn’t get what he wants … “there are other means.”)

Josh Bernstein Was SUPER Mad About Jim Comey Not Being Prosecuted

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:03:44am

In business news (though not necessarily Brexit-related):

Marks & Spencer is to be demoted from the FTSE 100 for the first time in the latest sign of the declining fortunes of the retailer, which was a founding member of the leading City share index.

Relegation to the FTSE 250 comes as the company is closing 120 stores as part of an overhaul designed to shore up profits.

M&S’s demotion reflects a share price at nearly a 20-year low as a long-running sales slump at the retailer’s clothing arm is compounded by the high street crisis affecting rivals including Debenhams and House of Fraser.

theguardian.com

I genuinely didn’t know that M&S was in such trouble. They do brisk business here in Czech Republic - the stores in the two shopping centers closest to me are never empty.

I’d hate to see them go…..no kidding, best place in the whole country to buy socks and underwear. They’re very durable and well-made and far better than anything else I’ve found here.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:05:37am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:13:10am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

In business news (though not necessarily Brexit-related):

theguardian.com

I genuinely didn’t know that M&S was in such trouble. They do brisk business here in Czech Republic - the stores in the two shopping centers closest to me are never empty.

I’d hate to see them go…..no kidding, best place in the whole country to buy socks and underwear. They’re very durable and well-made and far better than anything else I’ve found here.

I’m guessing that, like so many brick and mortar retail stores, they are hemorrhaging customers to the internet.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:15:43am
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Dread Pirate  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:18:53am

This was play nest.

YouTube

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Jay C  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:20:18am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Here’s the story:

theguardian.com

Like I said, rumors are swirling as to why this happened - but one obvious answer is that there are more Labour and LibDem peers than Tory peers; the Tories were simply outnumbered.

So we can up PM Johnson’s “defeat” tally to “4 in 48 hours”?
Impressive, in a way…

So even the Lords aren’t falling for the Tories’ Brexit BS?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:20:26am

The power of good Justices. North Carolina state judges rejected Roberts majority opinion that its just too hard for courts to do anything about partisan gerrymandering and adopted the clear test Kagan laid out in her dissent to rule that partisan gerrymanders violate the NC state constitution.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:25:35am

re: #45 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, they are.

Here, in Czech Republic, I can certainly understand why.

I found a Casio G-Shock GW-M-5610-1 for sale for the equivalent of $118 USD - not too bad here. But, it was for sale at an online retailer in the city of Olomouc, about 60 miles from my location.

So I went to my local watch retailer and politely inquired if they’d do price matching (a not-uncommon practice with major US retailers). Well, they looked at me as if I’d just announced that I’d arrived from Mars.

My local retailers price on the exact same watch works out to $196 USD. So…..after finding out they won’t do price matching (for reasons best known to themselves), I took a trip to Olomouc, to the online retailer’s pick-up location, and got it.

Even with the train trip, I still ended up saving over $65.

Brick-and-mortar retail here is gonna end up getting eaten alive by internet shops, largely because traditional retailers here simply don’t know how to compete.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:27:36am

re: #48 Jay C

So we can up PM Johnson’s “defeat” tally to “4 in 48 hours”?
Impressive, in a way…

So even the Lords aren’t falling for the Tories’ Brexit BS?

Seems like it. It’s looking like BoJo’s record is going to be one of continuous defeats - and that’s why the opposition is wise to not call an early election. Let him twist in the wind as a hapless, useless and incompetent buffoon.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:32:26am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

Seems like it. It’s looking like BoJo’s record is going to be one of continuous defeats - and that’s why the opposition is wise to not call an early election. Let him twist in the wind as a hapless, useless and incompetent buffoon.

The UK may yet be saved from Brexit. It would be a tragedy if a hard border went up in Ireland again.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:35:38am

re: #52 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The UK may yet be saved from Brexit. It would be a tragedy if a hard border went up in Ireland again.

Of course, it ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:47:17am

Well, I’m going to embed myself.

Good fortune to the UK … good on the House of Lords calling BS on Boris Johnson.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:56:31am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

So I went to my local watch retailer and politely inquired if they’d do price matching (a not-uncommon practice with major US retailers). Well, they looked at me as if I’d just announced that I’d arrived from Mars.

Germany had that set in law for a long time, namely that a list price could only be discounted under certain special circumstances (during the semi-annual winter summer clearance sales, for example)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:58:58am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany had that set in law for a long time, namely that a list price could only be discounted under certain special circumstances (during the semi-annual winter summer clearance sales, for example)

I don’t know if a similar law exists here, but I’ll have to ask a couple of my students next week - they both work in retail management, so they’d be likely to know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:02:12am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know if a similar law exists here, but I’ll have to ask a couple of my students next week - they both work in retail management, so they’d be likely to know.

German retail trade laws dated back to the early 1900’s, when people were not as mobile or well informed, there were limited opportunities, and they also had to be protected from unscrupulous travelling salespeople.

Needless to say, the entire situation has become a lot more transparent and flexible and they did reform the laws to allow some more possibilities for discounts.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:07:58am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

German retail trade laws dated back to the early 1900’s, when people were not as mobile or well informed, there were limited opportunities, and they also had to be protected from unscrupulous travelling salespeople.

Needless to say, the entire situation has become a lot more transparent and flexible and they did reform the laws to allow some more possibilities for discounts.

That’s good to hear.

In thinking as to why my local watch retailer wouldn’t do price matching, it could be because a lot of Czechs are still somewhat reluctant to do shopping online (I have some students like that, for example) and because they may also believe that no one would travel 60 miles to save some money. Indeed, for Czechs, travelling 60 miles (about 100 km) to purchase an item is something a good many of them wouldn’t do - but as an American, for me, 60 miles is nothing, especially when I can save the equivalent of $65 and some change by doing so. Hell, $65 is grocery money for almost two weeks for me.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:20:07am

The Brexit saga continues:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:24:18am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

IMPORTANT: My EU sources say if the no-deal bill passes, they will take a request for an extension from the UK as a matter of “legal fact” whether or not Johnson actually sends a letter himself.

so they choose to ignore idiocy rather than accept it

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:24:27am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

If indeed that is - or becomes - the EU’s official position, then Boris is trapped.

He’s an impotent, lame-duck PM. And less than two months into his premiership. In the words of a well-known supervillain:

Darth Vader - “impressive, most impressive”

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:24:34am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

The Brexit saga continues:

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Boris is basically cornered at this point. Short of the “Benn bill” failing to pass this last vote, he’s no recourse but to basically say “Fuck the law!” and hold his breath until he passes out. Honestly, the dumbest thing that Labour could do now would to be agree to a snap election earlier than Nov 1st.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:26:00am

re: #62 Targetpractice

Boris is basically cornered at this point. Short of the “Benn bill” failing to pass this last vote, he’s no recourse but to basically say “Fuck the law!” and hold his breath until he passes out. Honestly, the dumbest thing that Labour could do now would to be agree to a snap election earlier than Nov 1st.

If I were Labour, I’d want an election in late November or early December. Maybe even after the first of the year, like the first week of January (of course, depending on how long an extension the EU would give).

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:26:28am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so they choose to ignore idiocy rather than accept it

That’s usually a good course of action to pursue.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:42:07am

Meanwhile, here in Czech Republic, the hottest, trendiest, most absolutely “must-have” color for your Škoda Fabia is…….

pistachio!

Here’s a small photo gallery: Image: JAP7dcea8_11470718684219_1130705455555805184_o.jpg

Apparently, pistachio is becoming all the rage. I suppose it’s only inevitable that avocado appliances will be back in fashion soon.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 5, 2019 • 1:50:36am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 2:09:40am

If that holds true, there’s a good chance that the Tories could get hammered by Farage’s Brexit Party for having failed to deliver Brexit by October 31st - and owing to the nature of the UK’s “first-past-the-post” elections, that could fatally split the Leaver’s votes and possibly giving Labour an electoral advantage.

It’s why BoJo is so desperate to have an election ASAP. He knows the Tories would probably get their asses handed to them if Brexit fails to materialize.

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Scout  Sep 5, 2019 • 2:11:19am

It’s getting close to where there’s not much point for me to even visit this site anymore:

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:09:21am

Meanwhile, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Honourable Gentleman for the 19th Century, has become a meme - this was projected on the walls of Edinburgh Castle:

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:20:10am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Honourable Gentleman for the 19th Century, has become a meme - this was projected on the walls of Edinburgh Castle:

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LOL

Goddamn I love the Scots. Between this and how the Irish gave Pence hell, I got all sorts of warm fuzzies for those two right now.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:25:40am

Jo Johnson, Boris Johnson’s brother, has announced he will stand down in any upcoming election, while slyly implying his brother is not acting in the national interest.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:28:17am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

BTW, it’s being noted that it’s not entirely clear whether he’s simply not standing for re-election or whether he’s actually straight-up resigning his seat.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:30:36am

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

Update; as per The Guardian, the Business Department is not saying whether or not he’s still a minister in their department.

He might well have just up and said, “Fuck this. I quit.”

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:32:12am

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Another update, the PM’s office can’t clarify yet whether or not Jo Johnson is leaving the government today, or at the election.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:44:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:50:55am
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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:52:59am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Jo Johnson, Boris Johnson’s brother, has announced he will stand down in any upcoming election, while slyly implying his brother is not acting in the national interest.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:56:13am

Another Tory is going.

Johnson is effectively destroying the party.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 3:59:05am

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

Another Tory is going.

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Johnson is effectively destroying the party.

Good.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:06:24am

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

Boris has wrecked his own party. What a tool.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:07:59am

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

Boris has wrecked his own party. What a tool.

And in record time, no less.

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steve_davis  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:14:25am

re: #21 retired cynic

I don’t know how you stand it. If it gets above 80 in the house here, I have trouble. Just can’t handle the heat. You in LA and NE are stronger than I am, for sure!

I can sit in here with a fan and an open door, up to roughly 86. After that, I’ve got to get AC on. There’s no back door or window, so I can’t get any kind of breeze moving.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:42:18am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:44:43am

All righty….off to work. Back later.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:47:32am

Boris…what a guy.

Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, issued this statement welcoming Luciana Berger to her party. (See 11.14am.) Swinson said:

Luciana is a passionate advocate for women’s and LGBT+ rights, and she’s at the forefront of efforts to counter anti-Semitism and prevent discrimination. I’m delighted to welcome her to the Liberal Democrats, where we can work together to stop Brexit and build a fairer, more equal society for all.

Luciana becomes the fourth MP in three months to cross the floor and join the Liberal Democrats. We’re thrilled to add her perspective, expertise and skills to our ever-growing parliamentary team.

The Liberal Democrats are growing in strength as we lead the fight to Stop Brexit altogether. We are fully behind a people’s vote, and we are the rallying point for remainers and the liberal centre ground.

The other MPs who have joined the Lib Dems recently are Chuka Umunna, Sarah Wollaston and Phillip Lee.

And this is what Berger said in a statement about her move.

This is a moment of national crisis. The Liberal Democrats are unequivocal in wanting to stop Brexit and are committed to securing Britain’s future as a tolerant, open and inclusive society.

I am joining Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats today, in the national interest, to offer a vital, positive alternative to Johnson and Corbyn and help build a future that our country deserves.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:53:25am

re: #85 MsJ

Boris…what a guy.

I’m hoping the Lib Dems eventually succeed.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 4:58:20am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

I’m hoping the Lib Dems eventually succeed.

As am I. Corbyn is an empty suit and why Labour continues to support him when he is polling in near single digits is beyond me. Corbyn as PM would hand an election to the Tories. I hope the LibDems can make some major movement.

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jeffreyw  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:18:29am

Good morning!

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:21:13am

Boris Johnson is like trump, but the people of the UK are having none of it. They are taking to the streets by the thousands. While we do virtually nothing.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:21:49am

re: #88 jeffreyw

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I see you added another feeder.

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Jay C  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:29:36am

re: #87 MsJ

As am I. Corbyn is an empty suit and why Labour continues to support him when he is polling in near single digits is beyond me. Corbyn as PM would hand an election to the Tories. I hope the LibDems can make some major movement.

As best I understand it*, Jeremy Corbyn built up his base of support in the Labour Party in the good-old-fashioned old-school-lefty way: building up cadres of sympathetic loyalists, and then getting them inserted in the Party’s organizational and administrative sections. And then relying on their support to first get him in power, and then, aided by the reluctance of a lot of Labourites to openly split the Party over internal disputes, stay there.

I also disagree ( but see disclaimer above) that Corbyn is an “empty suit” - it’s just that IMO, what’s in the “suit” - easily, if simplistically, caricatured as “boldly moving Britain forward into the 1970s!” - isn’t what a lot of the British electorate wants or needs. Admittedly, the man has been subject, of late, to an image-smearing campaign of Hillary-Clinton-level intensity, but the unfortunate facts are that old Jez is going to be the face of Labour for the immediate future. Which (even more unfortunately) is a gift to their opponents.

*possibly/probably incorrectly

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Jay C  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:43:19am

re: #91 Jay C

ADD: And, just IMO, I don’t think the Lib Dems are going to be much of a solution to the Brexit problem (last-chance bastion of Remainers as they seem to want to be). ISTM that British politics evolved into a de facto two-party system many decades ago, and that, whatever else its problems, those systems tend to be stable. When that model - in a parliamentary democracy - breaks down, one runs the risk of Governments having to rely (as in Europe) on parliamentary coalitions to govern. Which runs the risk of a) governmental instability/inability to get things done, or b) gives a built-in advantage to whichever side (Left or Right) can keep “on message” better: whether in Government or Opposition. And the Brits (AFAICT) seem truly appalled at the instability the Brexit debacle has engendered.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:44:41am

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

It’s not even close.

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Basically, Thanos was right and the Avengers doomed the Earth?

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:45:52am

re: #91 Jay C

As best I understand it*, Jeremy Corbyn built up his base of support in the Labour Party in the good-old-fashioned old-school-lefty way: building up cadres of sympathetic loyalists, and then getting them inserted in the Party’s organizational and administrative sections. And then relying on their support to first get him in power, and then, aided by the reluctance of a lot of Labourites to openly split the Party over internal matters, stay there.

I also disagree ( but see disclaimer above) that Corbyn is an “empty suit” - it’s just that IMO, what’s in the “suit” - easily, if simplistically caricatured as “boldly moving Britain forward into the 1970s!” - isn’t what a lot of the British electorate wants or needs. Admittedly, the man has been subject, of late, to an image-smearing campaign of Hillary-Clinton-levels intensity, but the unfortunate facts are that old Jez is going to be the face of Labour for the immediate future. Which (even more unfortunately) is a gift to their opponents.

*possibly/probably incorrectly

I agree with what you said, mostly. Definitely on part one. On him being an empty suit, perhaps I stated that incorrectly. He has no chance of winning as PM. None. He’s supported by the party (as you rightly noted) and completely ineffective.

That BoJo and Corbyn are the best options for the UK is appalling. At least we had good people (Clinton/Kaine) who were fucked out of the election, but the UK voters have little choice…and none that are good (at the moment).

And another one bites the dust:

Dame Caroline Spelman, the Conservative former environment secretary, has said she is standing down at the next election. Along with Labour’s Jack Dromey (they are both West Midlands MPs with many constituents working in the car industry), she tabled amendments earlier this year that led to the Commons voting against a no-deal Brexit. (The votes were not binding.) She also rebelled yesterday to back the Benn bill designed to rule out a no-deal Brexit.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 5, 2019 • 5:47:32am

re: #83 MsJ

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I’ve given up on any “debates” with Conservatives when the entire Conservative debate tactic is to try and frame each topic with a laundry list of lazy labeling and logical fallacies, mostly false dilemma, hyperbole, cherry picking data, and broad use of red herrings.

If you go into a “debate” with a Conservative it is not so much an exercise in pure logic as it is grandstanding and a song and dance meant to make the right wing tribe viewership excuse and actually feel good about their sheer evil.

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Jay C  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:00:15am

re: #94 MsJ

That BoJo and Corbyn are the best options for the UK is appalling. At least we had good people (Clinton/Kaine) who were fucked out of the election, but the UK voters have little choice…and none that are good (at the moment).

So sadly true. The “history” of Brexit is still unfolding, of course, but I have a sinking feeling, that when it does come to get written-about in the past tense, it is going to read like (and get the same general reaction as) accounts of the collapse of the French Third Republic in WWII. I.e., what should have been done will be obvious, but the failure to do so will be assigned to the fact that the politicians in charge were a bunch of second-raters, ideologues, or just plain idiots.

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:02:33am

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And even his own brother is like WTF Boris?

Boris is winning in Trumpian fashion.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:11:33am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹🎃

video, 15:05, caution for wingnut)

Josh Bernstein is mad James Comey wasn’t convicted of anything and calls for 100,000 people to protest in Washington. (After calling for peaceful protest, he alludes to violence if he doesn’t get what he wants … “there are other means.”)

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Why isn’t that ass in jail?

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jeffreyw  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:12:14am

re: #90 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Yes, we are hoping to see more variety.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:18:11am

Would be amazing if Winston Churchill’s grandson follows what his grandfather did in 1904 and cross the floor to join the Liberal Democrats.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:21:35am
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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:22:54am
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:28:47am

re: #89 MsJ

Boris Johnson is like trump, but the people of the UK are having none of it. They are taking to the streets by the thousands. While we do virtually nothing.

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People here started protesting right after Trump was inaugurated. The British waited until Boris started shooting the prisoners.

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 6:51:14am

It’s remarkable how accurate the forecast model (the official NHC forecast w/5 day cone) was compared to the actual track. The actual NHC forecast - the discussion, which supersedes any spaghetti model or other product - never included AL in the path. There were several 5-day cone forecasts that touched the AL border, but that’s such weak tea that no one in Charleston would touch it.

Of course, Trump’s busy kvetching all over Twitter about this and other nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind to ignore that Charleston is getting battered by the outer bands of Dorian and its storm surge as the storm strengthened back to a cat 3 storm.

That’s also kinda unusual given that the storm is interacting with the coastline and landmass of the continental US, and that usually causes wind shear and weakens the system. Thus far, by staying just offshore, the storm can continue to gain energy from the warm waters as it churns up the East coast.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:19:30am

This is getting sad now…

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:40:31am

re: #103 Belafon

People here started protesting right after Trump was inaugurated. The British waited until Boris started shooting the prisoners.

I haven’t seen protests here as often and as largely attended as what I am seeing in the UK.

And I am hamstrung in that I cannot participate, which I would in a heartbeat.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:46:03am
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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:48:42am

bringing this up
from downstairs (targetpractice)

I’m curious if Crenshaw, who seems so ready to vouch for he friends that he’d allow them to “borrow” his guns, would be willing to sign paperwork taking legal responsibility for any unlawful actions committed with those guns? If his friend should injure themselves or others, damage private property, or commit a crime (ex: murder), would he take responsibility for giving them his gun?

- my opinion is he doesnt have to be willing to sign anything, or actually sign anything
- he *is* the legal owner.
- no private citizen can sell it or tell him what or what not to do with it, or demand he cede it to them*
- as the legal owner he, and no one else, is totally responsible for all the decision making and controlling of his weapon at all times
if he gives, loans, or in any other way ‘transfers’ or loses physical custody of his weapon (improper storage), he is still responsible for whatever is done with or by that weapon

he owns the ‘title’.
doesnt mean the subsequent ‘possessor’ isnt also responsible.
im fine with joint and several liability

don’t want to get stuck in a situation like this? dont lose control of your weapon.

*no, lets not get into stolen, taken by force, etc

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:50:57am

If it will make the president any happier, I will go outside with a fan and garden hose to blow water against the windows.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:51:31am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:52:40am

Buongiorno! Haven’t yet completely recovered from major jet lag from Italy but am now back home. Had a wonderful time staying in Lake Como area for a destination wedding. We only had a day in Venice — wished we had been able to spend more time in Italy since this was my first (and perhaps only) visit there.

Me being extra snippy about trivial problem.

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So other than another mass shooting in Texas(is this totally forgotten now?), Trump tweeting a classified image of a failed Iranian launch and denying we had anything to do with the failure ( doesn’t his denial confirm we were responsible for the misfire?), making the claim that Alabama was in the projected hurricane path days after it was excluded, cancelling his trip to Poland on the pretense of caring about the hurricane, and Pence helping with the Trump grift by staying in a Trump property in Ireland, did I miss anything of significance?

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 7:58:18am

re: #104 lawhawk

It’s remarkable how accurate the forecast model (the official NHC forecast w/5 day cone) was compared to the actual track. The actual NHC forecast - the discussion, which supersedes any spaghetti model or other product - never included AL in the path. There were several 5-day cone forecasts that touched the AL border, but that’s such weak tea that no one in Charleston would touch it.

Of course, Trump’s busy kvetching all over Twitter about this and other nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind to ignore that Charleston is getting battered by the outer bands of Dorian and its storm surge as the storm strengthened back to a cat 3 storm.

That’s also kinda unusual given that the storm is interacting with the coastline and landmass of the continental US, and that usually causes wind shear and weakens the system. Thus far, by staying just offshore, the storm can continue to gain energy from the warm waters as it churns up the East coast.

the overlayed spaghetti models are a public curio.
until you sit down and do the hard work of assigning probabilities to each path (plus a lot more analysis), they’re nothing but dumbed down, simplistic and cool looking pictures

that’s why there’s (generally) one single ‘official’ cone forecast, and even that has limits on what it is intending to predict

trump et al are struggling to find anything to ‘prove’ he was right even though none of it is what he based his tweeting on at the time.

they’re post hoc ergo propter hoc’ing this with a sledge hammer to make it fit

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:02:44am

re: #108 DangerMan

bringing this up
from downstairs (targetpractice)

- my opinion is he doesnt have to be willing to sign anything, or actually sign anything
- he *is* the legal owner.
- no private citizen can sell it or tell him what or what not to do with it, or demand he cede it to them*
- as the legal owner he, and no one else, is totally responsible for all the decision making and controlling of his weapon at all times
if he gives, loans, or in any other way ‘transfers’ or loses physical custody of his weapon (improper storage), he is still responsible for whatever is done with or by that weapon

he owns the ‘title’.
doesnt mean the subsequent ‘possessor’ isnt also responsible.
im fine with joint and several liability

don’t want to get stuck in a situation like this? dont lose control of your weapon.

*no, lets not get into stolen, taken by force, etc

I don’t think Targetpractice was saying he had to, but would he be willing to actually put his money where his mouth is.

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:04:00am

here’s three:

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b.d.  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:08:11am

re: #114 DangerMan

here’s three:

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Is there one showing Greenland as part of the USA?

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:09:52am

re: #113 Belafon

I don’t think Targetpractice was saying he had to, but would he be willing to actually put his money where his mouth is.

i understand (stood) and agree totally.

my opinion is the more we drive home the personal responsibility argument, the stronger it becomes and the more absurd they become trying to pretzel logic around it

- rights come with responsibilities
- control your weapon at all times
- who but you, the legal owner, could possibly be responsible for your weapon? (carrying, transporting, storing, transferring, brandishing, discharging)

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:10:48am

re: #115 b.d.

Is there one showing Greenland as part of the USA?

yup

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:11:26am

oh, and apparently Michigan is in dorian’s path now

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:11:34am

re: #115 b.d.

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John Hughes  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:12:29am

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Another good one is not being an American.

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:14:47am

Top Asylum Official Who Was Critical Of Trump Administration Has Been Reassigned

John Lafferty, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services asylum division chief, has reportedly been “pushed out” by Ken Cuccinelli, the agency’s hard-line acting director.

this is why no one will say or do anything against trump

the vindictive little prick fucks with people’s lives, careers and futures

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:23:08am

Interesting if true.

I could see BoJo doing just that, actually.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:24:24am

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:24:41am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Interesting if true.

I could see BoJo doing just that, actualy.

The EU should say that, if the new law is passed, they will assume that the request for an extension is an indefinite one unless Boris comes to talk to the EU.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:29:32am

re: #121 DangerMan

Top Asylum Official Who Was Critical Of Trump Administration Has Been Reassigned

John Lafferty, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services asylum division chief, has reportedly been “pushed out” by Ken Cuccinelli, the agency’s hard-line acting director.

this is why no one will say or do anything against trump

the vindictive little prick fucks with people’s lives, careers and futures

For those who have devoted their life to government service, it is not simple to resign and find something that is as meaningful. And there is always the hope that this nightmare will end in January 2021.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:30:17am

Wish I could find a copy of the old National Lampoon’s World Map Parody from about 1983. Trump fans might go for it.
This had dozens, perhaps hundreds of parody place names. Among those names I can remember:

Kidneystone, England
Cornhole, Kansas
Inbred, Alabama
Slavelaborsk and Pavlovdograd in the Soviet Union
The Disease Islands
The Dire Straits
and my favorite; Godforsakn, Greenland.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:33:35am

re: #124 Belafon

The EU should say that, if the new law is passed, they will assume that the request for an extension is an indefinite one unless Boris comes to talk to the EU.

Heh, that would put him in one hell of a pickle.

Boris has already more-or-less been painted into a corner by all this. Much like how Matteo Salvini was so recently hoisted on his own petard - his plan to get himself into the Italian PM’s office blew up in his face and while he is still an Italian MP, he’s no longer in any position of real power.

The wildcard is that adviser of BoJo’s, Dominic Cummings, who strikes me as one of those “burn it all down!!” types. I could see him pursuing an absolute scorched-earth strategy.

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:36:14am

For those that need a refresher, Trump said that he’d get ME peace where every predecessor failed. He’d put Kushner on the job (along with everything else, since Trump couldn’t find someone competent to fill any of these positions).

Well, Kushner rolled out a vaporware plan to the Arab Gulf States, and it landed with a thud. No one was supportive and Trump got nowhere with it. It remains vaporware, and now Maggie’s busy claiming that the architect of this is leaving?

How will we know he’s gone when there’s no evidence he did anything remotely identified as a plan. There’s just vaporware and bulkshit spewed by Trumpworld about everything, and we have Maggie regurgitating it as though we don’t see what she’s doing (or what Trump’s done).

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:43:57am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Honourable Gentleman for the 19th Century, has become a meme - this was projected on the walls of Edinburgh Castle:

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LOL

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:46:43am

How very trumpian.

BMA labels Rees-Mogg ‘disgraceful’ after he smears doctor who has warned about no-deal

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, has been strongly criticised for using parliamentary privilege to attack the reputation of a doctor who has warned about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit.

On Monday Rees-Mogg was involved in a row on his LBC phone-in with David Nicholl, a consultant neurologist drew up a risk register of epilepsy and neurology drugs for the government’s Operation Yellowhammer plans for no deal. Rees-Mogg said he did not accept Nicholl’s claim that people could die because of drug shortages in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Nicholl subsequently described the MP as an ignorant “muppet”.

Today Rees-Mogg resumed the dispute at business questions, comparing Nicholl to Andrew Wakefield, the doctor whose discredited research linking autism to the MMR vaccine has been blamed for vaccination levels falling, putting lives at risk.

Rees-Mogg told MPs:

Preparations are in place and they are being done with remarkable efficiency. But yes, a lot of remainers wish to make our skins crawl.

What [Nicholl] had to say, I will repeat it, is as irresponsible as Dr Wakefield in threatening that people will die because we leave the European Union. What level of irresponsibility was that?

And I’m afraid it seems to me that Dr David Nicholl is as irresponsible as Dr Wakefield.

In response, the SNP MP Carol Monaghan said Rees-Mogg’s comment suggested the government wanted to cause “reputational damage to experts such as Dr David Nicholl who dare to challenge the government or indeed raise legitimate concerns about the impact of no-deal?”

Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, said Rees-Mogg’s comments were “offensive, irresponsible [and] shameful”.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:47:39am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

I saw someone on twitter say something along the lines of the Trump Administration aging in dog years. So that first year was like 15 years, the second was 9, and this year has been at least five years…

I mean, think about it, the 4th of July thing was literally two months ago and it feels like a life time ago.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:48:21am

re: #130 MsJ

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a living, breathing caricature of a Victorian undertaker. There’s a reason he’s referred to as “The Honorable Gentleman for the 19th Century”.

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:48:56am

re: #123 The Pie Overlord!

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:49:02am

re: #123 The Pie Overlord!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:52:11am

I wish more American politicians had as much balls as some of these UK ones do.

Watching Johnson crash and burn in short order is so enjoyable.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:53:16am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:54:09am

DAY-UM. This seems like a big deal (most recent additions at the top of the page).

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:54:47am

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:56:02am

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish more American politicians had as much balls as some of these UK ones do.

Watching Johnson crash and burn in short order is so enjoyable.

Johnson’s an entitled prick, a smug and boorish golden boy who thinks he deserves to be the UK’s Prime Minister. Watching him implode in damn near record time is liable to make me overdose on schadenfreude.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2019 • 8:57:24am

Daughter1 in Anniston says the first 18-wheelers full of paper towels are arriving.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:01:08am

Good. Let BoJo fail miserably then hold an election.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:09:46am

BoJo seems to be making all sorts of new foes on an almost hourly basis.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:14:29am

I see Brock Turners victim came forward and revealed herself.

Much respect.

That’s a very difficult thing to do in 2019 America.

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rhuarc  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:21:57am

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

I see Brock Turners victim came forward and revealed herself.

Much respect.

That’s a very difficult thing to do in 2019 America.

And Brock Turner is still incorrectly labeled as a Stanford swimmer instead of convicted rapist. White privilege is in full effect for him

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:22:55am

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

I see Brock Turners victim came forward and revealed herself.

Much respect.

That’s a very difficult thing to do in 2019 America.

Definitely.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:23:32am

At time of the article police were still working to determine which weapons belonged to him, and which were his father’s, with whom he lives.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:23:47am

rikyrah has a very interesing comment over at Balloon Juice:

About Biden and his supporters:

Joy Reid had on Tara Dowdell (sp?) this weekend, and she told of going to a function where they were trying to recruit Black female candidates. She was at a gathering of Black women from over 14 Southern states, and she told of their support for Biden. She was like, this was the time before he even announced, and people were dumping opposition research stories about Biden.

In her words:
” They were not moved. Not one bit.”

She said, I’m paraphrasing
” They KNOW Joe Biden, and even though, yes, a nice part of it is Obama nostalgia, a large part of it not only do they believe they know Joe Biden - they believe that Joe Biden CARES ABOUT THEM…..and, THIS is his secret with the Union people TOO - they say it over and over when talking about Biden.”

I am a political junkie. Most people, regardless of race, aren’t. And, it goes the same for the Black community that I live in and navigate. These folks all have a positive thought about Biden.

The unsaid thing that so many who are dancing around Biden in MSM punditry, is the belief from Black folk that White folks showed their azzes in 2016, and until they prove differently, fundamentally cannot be trusted….but, folks don’t want to have that conversation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:24:54am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:27:10am

Off to have a 5th wisdom tooth pulled. Damn genetics. (Good of the doctor to work through the impending Lower Alabama hurricane, though.)

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:27:34am

re: #146 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At time of the article police were still working to determine which weapons belonged to him, and which were his father’s, with whom he lives.

JJ MacNab
This doesn’t sound like a joke.

it’s a ‘joke’ the same way that trumps utterings all of a sudden become ‘jokes’ when someone calls him on his bullshit

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:29:52am

re: #146 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At time of the article police were still working to determine which weapons belonged to him, and which were his father’s, with whom he lives.

[Embedded content]

Hey Dan Crenshaw. That’s why you don’t give guns to people like candy.

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:36:34am

While Trump wallows in the great Alabama hurricane of 2019, Chef Jose Andres is busy providing meals and assistance to the folks in Bermuda who were left without homes or power, just as he did after Maria hit Puerto Rico and the USVI.

He does more for victims of natural disasters than Trump does because he’s selfless when it comes to helping others beyond his immediate associations. Trump thinks only of himself and photo ops.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:38:27am

re: #152 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

While Trump wallows in the great Alabama hurricane of 2019, Chef Jose Andres is busy providing meals and assistance to the folks in Bermuda who were left without homes or power, just as he did after Maria hit Puerto Rico and the USVI.

He does more for victims of natural disasters than Trump does because he’s selfless when it comes to helping others beyond his immediate associations. Trump thinks only of himself and photo ops.

Stephen and Jose, two great Americans.

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Teukka  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:39:33am
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Teukka  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:41:29am

BTW, for you coding Lizardim… Did I post this already?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 5, 2019 • 9:48:12am
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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:00:47am

Manafort has filed papers in the NYS case against him, claiming that the prosecutors are pushing a political case and that the case should be dismissed on double jeopardy grounds.

He’s charged with 16 counts under NY law for residential mortgage fraud, attempted residential mortgage fraud, conspiracy, falsifying business records and scheme to defraud.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:09:27am

Well, nobody was killed by Sarin gas in the US last year. Perhaps Walmart should start selling that as well.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:11:02am

..so unfit for the job.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:12:28am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Hey Dan Crenshaw. That’s why you don’t give guns to people like candy.

That is why any transfer of a gun should require a background check, regardless of whether the transfer is a gift from a friend or family member or an inheritance. And if you give a gun to someone without the background check, then you should be subject to at least one year of prison.

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SerialUpDinger  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:19:23am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:22:33am

Dorian rebuilt itself yesterday and now back to looking scary:

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:25:32am

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

Well, nobody was killed by Sarin gas in the US last year. Perhaps Walmart should start selling that as well.

there are various governmental efforts to stop drunk driving
whether they are effective, enough, at least they exist

part of why walmart stopped selling certain ammo and handguns etc is because governments (federal and state) are not responding to the obvious epidemic of gun related violence

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:29:23am

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

That is why any transfer of a gun should require a background check, regardless of whether the transfer is a gift from a friend or family member or an inheritance. And if you give a gun to someone without the background check, then you should be subject to at least one year of prison.

i’ll just add:
- “transfer” includes temporary - ie ‘loans’
- penalties should also be commensurate with anything illegal done with that gun. if you didnt take reasonable precautions when you sold or temporarily transferred your weapon, then you lost control of it

unless every transfer is subject to a bg check, the system is meaningless

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:30:46am

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

But how many more people would be killed by drunk driving if there weren’t, you know, LAWS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING??

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:31:44am

re: #161 SerialUpDinger

For the pictorially impaired, what’s the title?

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DangerMan  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:32:49am

re: #161 SerialUpDinger

[Embedded content]

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lawhawk  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:32:50am

Blow for
BoJo as
Bro Jo
Go Goes

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SerialUpDinger  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:34:08am

re: #166 Belafon

Headline from London Paper Evening Standard:
Blow for BoJo as Bro Jo Go Goes

Witty and creative!

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Jay C  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:36:38am

re: #169 SerialUpDinger

Headline from London Paper Evening Standard:
Blow for BoJo as Bro Jo Go Goes

Witty and creative!

It’s that “Queen’s English”.

(Vs. Donald Trump’s “Queens English”, which is usually incomprehensible…)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 5, 2019 • 10:55:16am

re: #161 SerialUpDinger

re: #168 lawhawk

Blow for
BoJo as
Bro Jo
Go Goes

re: #169 SerialUpDinger

Headline from London Paper Evening Standard:
Blow for BoJo as Bro Jo Go Goes

Witty and creative!

They’re freakin’ speakin’ Judoon

The Doctor speaks Judoon

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A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2019 • 12:25:30pm

re: #123 The Pie Overlord!

Oh, that’s just so amazingly adorable and sweet!!


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