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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 6:41:32pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2019 • 6:44:58pm
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b.d.  Sep 11, 2019 • 6:58:36pm

Maddow is showing the hearing for Judicial nominee Steven Menashi & Chuck Johnson is in the hallway filming the protesters of the hearing.

I had to rewind it but yep, it’s him.

spoiler alert, Menashi failed hard…even with the wingnuts.

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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:03:08pm

re: #3 b.d.

Thank God one failed!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:05:31pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:08:06pm

re: #4 retired cynic

Thank God one failed!

Did he?

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b.d.  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:09:40pm

re: #4 retired cynic

Thank God one failed!

The wingnuts were not happy with him but they haven’t voted in committee yet

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:09:59pm

re: #3 b.d.

Maddow is showing the hearing for Judicial nominee Steven Menashi & Chuck Johnson is in the hallway filming the protesters of the hearing.

I had to rewind it but yep, it’s him.

spoiler alert, Menashi failed hard…even with the wingnuts.

Why did he fail? It is impossible to be too much of a wingnut for a conservative politician or voter.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:10:01pm
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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:10:24pm

re: #7 b.d.

The wingnuts were not happy with him but they haven’t voted in committee yet

Argh. Misunderstood.

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:10:44pm

Chuck always shows up when things are at their absolute worst. He’s the cackling shit creature sitting next to Jaba.

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fern01  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:12:28pm

Lawrence is showing trump’s comments in relation to John Bolton. trump tells the media about policy that hasn’t happened, praises his bff from NK as he disparages Bolton. The latter deserves much contempt but yet again trump speaks about issues where a sane person would keep his mouth shut.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:13:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:14:53pm

re: #12 fern01

Lawrence is showing trump’s comments in relation to John Bolton. trump tells the media about policy that hasn’t happened, praises his bff from NK as he disparages Bolton. The latter deserves much contempt but yet again trump speaks about issues where a sane person would keep his mouth shut.

He really does like dictators. He’s not the first president to have dictators as buddies but he is the first as far I can see that actively prefers them over other democratically elected officials.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:15:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:17:15pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Scary af. But not a real surprise given we have had birthers and people who think climate change is a well orchestrated hoax who are members of Congress .

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:18:10pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

To his left and forward a bit, the dude in the trilby kind of looks like James O’Keefe.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:18:10pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:21:54pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:26:00pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Yes that sounds like Bolton.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:28:25pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

He really does like dictators. He’s not the first president to have dictators as buddies but he is the first as far I can see that actively prefers them over other democratically elected officials.

Or at least the first to admit to it out loud.

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TedStriker  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:32:42pm

re: #11 plansbandc

Chuck always shows up when things are at their absolute worst. He’s the cackling shit creature sitting next to Jaba.

That’s an insult to Salacious B. Crumb

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TedStriker  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:34:09pm

re: #13 gocart mozart

Eighteen years…where does it go?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:35:17pm

re: #21 sagehen

Or at least the first to admit to it out loud.

He’s not even subtle about it. But yeah.

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TedStriker  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:36:32pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

He really does like dictators. He’s not the first president to have dictators as buddies but he is the first as far I can see that actively prefers them over other democratically elected officials.

re: #21 sagehen

Or at least the first to admit to it out loud.

re: #24 HappyWarrior

He’s not even subtle about it. But yeah.

Because dictators are Trump’s kind of guy, flim-flam men all.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:38:28pm

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:39:45pm

re: #25 TedStriker

Because dictators are Trump’s kind of guy, flim-flam men all.

Oh absolutely. I’m just saying it’s yet another reason why he’s just so awful. I mean yeah I didn’t agree with what the Blair-Bush partnership did in FP but at least it was Blair that Bush made one of his favorite allies and not say Putin or any of Trumps favorites who write him such beautiful letters.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:40:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:41:51pm

re: #26 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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I was not an undocumented immigrant so i said nothing.

I was not homeless so I said nothing.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:42:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:47:47pm

re: #30 Dread Pirate

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The fuck are they talking about. I’m not anti Uber in principle. But this shit is sleazy.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:48:22pm

Book plug for the first real friend I ever made on a college campus when I was 18.

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:50:40pm

I forgot who posted this towards the end of the last thread, but bumping it up.

This is LONG but read all the way to the end. It says volumes about science, “philanthropy,” universities courting sleazy donors and has bonus “Theranos for plants”!

;

Also, it’s entirely likely there are other shoes to drop in the whole Jeffrey Epstein saga.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:53:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:54:40pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Some I assume go good with coleslaw but Canada isn’t sending their best feral hogs.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:56:05pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:56:16pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

My friend I speak of, he was standing behind me when I took this picture.

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:56:49pm

And y’all saw this, right?

Trump officials tour unused FAA facility in California in search for place to relocate homeless people

A team of Trump administration officials toured a California facility once used by the Federal Aviation Administration this week as they searched for a potential site to relocate homeless people, according to three government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private tour.

President Trump has directed aides to launch a major crackdown on homelessness in California, spurring an effort across multiple government agencies to determine how to deal with sprawling tent camps on the streets of Los Angeles and other cities, officials said.

Trump is expected to visit California on Tuesday and Wednesday. One administration official with knowledge of Trump’s visit to California said there were discussions about an announcement related to California’s growing homeless problem next week, but a second official said that any decision could be premature and that it was not on the current schedule for the trip.

beta.washingtonpost.com

Sounds a lot like wanting to get rid of “undesirables,” part two.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:57:19pm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:58:00pm

re: #36 The Pie Overlord!

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I really hate the fascistization of this country so much.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:58:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:58:50pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

I was not an undocumented immigrant so i said nothing.

I was not homeless so I said nothing.

I was homeless and no one said anything then except “support our troops and veterans” while shutting us out of facilities and refusing to face us.

One third of the country would gladly kill another third, while the so-called centrists would just watch and say “can’t we get along” and “we need more civility in our political discourse.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 7:59:44pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:00:01pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

The Canadian invasion has started. First we send the feral hogs, then the buffalo…

Then soldiers on mooseback.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:00:51pm

re: #44 Dread Pirate

The Canadian invasion has started. First we send the feral hogs, then the buffalo…

Then soldiers on mooseback.

I for one welcome our Canadian overlords.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:00:55pm

Thank you Shiplord Kirel for destigmatizing dad jokes around these parts.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:01:20pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

The fuck are they talking about. I’m not anti Uber in principle. But this shit is sleazy.

I am anti-Uber in principle, because it specifically puts all the requirements of being a driver on the driver whilst accepting none of the responsibilities for having employees (in order to avoid paying taxes).

I’m not in a city often, but I always use taxicabs if I need a car and don’t have mine.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:01:42pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And yet still more welcome than a Bahamian refugee.

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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:02:51pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

Thank you Shiplord Kirel for destigmatizing dad jokes around these parts.

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smack!

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:04:52pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

This is just perfection.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:04:52pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I am anti-Uber in principle, because it specifically puts all the requirements of being a driver on the driver whilst accepting none of the responsibilities for having employees (in order to avoid paying taxes).

I’m not in a city often, but I always use taxicabs if I need a car and don’t have mine.

The idea is very useful in principle. I’m in cities a lot. Sometimes a cab isn’t available and if you’ve been out drinking, Uber can prove more timely than a cab. They treat their employees awful but it’s sound in principle but terrible in practice.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:05:47pm

Whoa.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:09:16pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Dude it’s like a fighter plane in battle.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:09:56pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I am anti-Uber in principle, because it specifically puts all the requirements of being a driver on the driver whilst accepting none of the responsibilities for having employees (in order to avoid paying taxes).

I’m not in a city often, but I always use taxicabs if I need a car and don’t have mine.

A friend of mine occasionally drives a Lyft. If he’s available, I would use him in preference to a taxi.

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stpaulbear  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:10:48pm

I think that if you were seeing what the eagle sees, you’d be able to see a mouse on the ground.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:12:13pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

The idea is very useful in principle. I’m in cities a lot. Sometimes a cab isn’t available and if you’ve been out drinking, Uber can prove more timely than a cab. They treat their employees awful but it’s sound in principle but terrible in practice.

Hence the need to regulate them as a livery company rather than a tech company.

If you do that (require them to treat their gig drivers as employees) their business model of exploiting their drivers collapses.

Sometimes an Uber isn’t available either.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:12:33pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

A friend of mine occasionally drives a Lyft. If he’s available, I would use him in preference to a taxi.

Lyft is a little more employee friendly iirc. Uber and Lyft are both great ideas. I just want them to value their employees. My Dad actually has done both cab driving and Uber. The cab companies aren’t exactly great to their drivers either.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:13:22pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

A friend of mine occasionally drives a Lyft. If he’s available, I would use him in preference to a taxi.

Because he drives for Lyft as an unregistered and commercially uninsured taxi driver, or because he’s your friend?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:16:18pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Hence the need to regulate them as a livery company rather than a tech company.

If you do that (require them to treat their gig drivers as employees) their business model of exploiting their drivers collapses.

Sometimes an Uber isn’t available either.

Did I say they needed no regulation? I’m saying the idea behind Uber and ride sharing is very sound. No offense but by your own admission, you’re not urban bound a lot. It can be very handy to use a mobile app to get a ride especially if it’s a rainy or cold day. Convenience is very important to consumers. They need to treat their employees much better but ride sharing is something I’m fine with.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:16:24pm
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sagehen  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:17:56pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Jesse Pinkman.
Jax Teller
Omar

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Citizen K  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:18:56pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I really hate the fascistization of this country so much.

The fact that it’s being implemented so rapidly is the most dispiriting and depressing thing. The impetus was always there and was warned about, plenty of it warned of among us, even. But to see it happening in real time, this rapidly, with almost zero recourse is just…

How the fuck do we come back from this? Even if we take 2020, it seems like so many of the avenues to even slow the backslide are closed to us, much less actually try and reverse it. And it feels like the institutional inertia is almost always and forever on the GOP’s side where they get to do every single bit of shit they want to and the political environment lets them because the alternative is to actually let Dems be Dems, and that can never be fucking allowed to happen, apparently.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:19:24pm
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:20:10pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Going with “Cutie” and you can try to take it from him.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:22:06pm

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Because he drives for Lyft as an unregistered and commercially uninsured taxi driver, or because he’s your friend?

Lyft & Uber rides are commercially insured while the driver is one the way to pick up the passenger and while the passenger is in the vehicle. There are lots of other valid reasons to object to the exploitation baked into the business model. However the taxi companies are hardly blameless in that they created a demand for competition through rent-seeking behavior, letting their cars go to shit and the quality of the experience they offered deteriorate to the point where it often became a disgusting joke.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:22:33pm

re: #62 Citizen K

The fact that it’s being implemented so rapidly is the most dispiriting and depressing thing. The impetus was always there and was warned about, plenty of it warned of among us, even. But to see it happening in real time, this rapidly, with almost zero recourse is just…

How the fuck do we come back from this? Even if we take 2020, it seems like so many of the avenues to even slow the backslide are closed to us, much less actually try and reverse it. And it feels like the institutional inertia is almost always and forever on the GOP’s side where they get to do every single bit of shit they want to and the political environment lets them because the alternative is to actually let Dems be Dems, and that can never be fucking allowed to happen, apparently.

I think that’s what has me frustrated. That this is gonna be a motherfucker recovering from. This is our new era. We’re imo not going to change this all over night especially because our political culture still needed changes even before Trump came along which gets me at why I get frustrated with Biden and he should know better as Obama’s former VP.

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:23:13pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

I am glad to see you being such a font of knowledge…

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:24:44pm

re: #67 William Lewis

There’s a new dad joke serif in town.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:24:59pm

I thought about something odd last night.
I can’t remember the last time Barron has been seen.
I mean, I don’t think he’s been seen all summer at least.
How odd is that? The President not being seen with his child during an entire summer

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:25:15pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Lyft & Uber rides are commercially insured while the driver is one the way to pick up the passenger and while the passenger is in the vehicle. There are lots of other valid reasons to object to the exploitation baked into the business model. However the taxi companies are hardly blameless in that they created a demand for competition through rent-seeking behavior and letting their cars go to shit and the quality of the experience they offered deteriorate to the point where it often became a disgusting joke.

Yes, there’s a reason why there arose a need for this. As I said, I’ve been on both sides of the Cab and Uber experiences of drivers. I tbh find Uber a generally more enjoyable experience than cabs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:26:12pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I thought about something odd last night.
I can’t remember the last time Barron has been seen.
I mean, I don’t think he’s been seen all summer at least.
How odd is that? The President not being seen with his child during an entire summer

He’s not a good father.

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:26:42pm

There’s been a controversy in Alaska over a young woman who was disqualified after winning her race in a swim meet—because of the way her school-issued (and unaltered) swimsuit fit on her. Apparently a judge thought the young woman was wearing the suit “immorally.” Or some such. Yesterday, the Alaska School Activities Association reversed the disqualification, after an enormous hooraw.

ktuu.com

Amazingly, it was not the young woman herself, her family or her school who brought the issue, but a coach at a different high school who was upset at the double standard. Apparently swimming is only proper for skinny pasty white young women or something.

gen.medium.com

Here’s a CNN article talking more about the issue and getting the perspective of the mother of the young woman. Mom thinks the swimsuit model reflects a 1950s view of women and doesn’t reflect modern muscular female bodies.

Oh, and by the way, let’s not forget the name of the official who made the original ruling. Her name is Jill Blackstone and she’s accused of targeting the young woman and her younger sister over the last year. *scowl*

cnn.com

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:26:55pm

Deliberately.

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SerialUpDinger  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:28:09pm

Hawktail - Medley - Live at McCabe’s

More music from Brittany Haas - Check out the Bass playing the fiddle part at 2:00 . whoa!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:28:47pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Did I say they needed no regulation? I’m saying the idea behind Uber and ride sharing is very sound. No offense but by your own admission, you’re not urban bound a lot. It can be very handy to use a mobile app to get a ride especially if it’s a rainy or cold day. Convenience is very important to consumers. They need to treat their employees much better but ride sharing is something I’m fine with.

What I wrote was “if they are regulated like a livery company, their business model collapses.”

We actually have taxis here (and Uber if you have cell service).

Treating their employees better is only one part of the Uber puzzle. If you’re in a wreck as a passenger in an Uber driver’s car, the car insurance company can deny a claim because the insurance was fraudulently obtained (as a private vehicle and not as a commercial livery service).

Uber is fraught with assaults, robberies, and rapes because they studiously avoid doing background checks on drivers. That doesn’t mean taxi companies don’t have the same, but they do the checks and weed criminals out for the most part.

It would be impossible for Uber to stay in business if they were required to follow the same laws as livery companies. All they are doing is avoiding taxes (unemployment, employer portion of social security, operating permits, &c).

Avoiding taxes and regulation is the model. (And assaulting women in their corporate offices, allegedly.)

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:29:29pm

re: #72 mmmirele

I’m glad to hear they reversed the disqualification.

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fern01  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:29:31pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

The idea is very useful in principle. I’m in cities a lot. Sometimes a cab isn’t available and if you’ve been out drinking, Uber can prove more timely than a cab. They treat their employees awful but it’s sound in principle but terrible in practice.

They are wiping out a long term industry to make money for a few overlords. I hope they go broke as I hope everyone who was stupid enough to buy their shares lose money

there were rules/regulations around the taxi industry - now it is each man/woman for themselves - no regulations just chaos.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:29:58pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

However the taxi companies are hardly blameless in that they created a demand for competition through rent-seeking behavior, letting their cars go to shit and quality of the experience they offered deteriorate to the point where it often became a disgusting joke.

And by limiting the number of available medallions…

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Citizen K  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:30:41pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I think that’s what has me frustrated. That this is gonna be a motherfucker recovering from. This is our new era. We’re imo not going to change this all over night especially because our political culture still needed changes even before Trump came along which gets me at why I get frustrated with Biden and he should know better as Obama’s former VP.

This is the thing that keeps me from being ok with Biden as the nominee. He’s actually outright unlearned the lessons that Obama learned the hard way, that Republicans will pounce on bipartisanship as weakness and simply stamp their feet until they get their way, because the environment lets them. The arcane rules of the Congressional floor, the insipid credulity of the media giving the GOP and only the GOP the benefit of the doubt at all times, and their state level dominance, which the national Dem party seems to have zero answer for, basically lets them spit in the face of any sort of comity and win anyway.

That Biden is relying on exactly that comity to win the day if he’s elected is going to basically mean the GOP get to run roughshod again with zero consequence.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:31:52pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

The idea is very useful in principle. I’m in cities a lot. Sometimes a cab isn’t available and if you’ve been out drinking, Uber can prove more timely than a cab. They treat their employees awful but it’s sound in principle but terrible in practice.

The worst part is, they would never have created the platform unless they could offload the costs of buying and maintaining vehicles onto a bunch of drivers who would be short-changed.

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fern01  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:32:12pm

re: #79 Citizen K

This is the thing that keeps me from being ok with Biden as the nominee. He’s actually outright unlearned the lessons that Obama learned the hard way, that Republicans will pounce on bipartisanship as weakness and simply stamp their feet until they get their way, because the environment lets them. The arcane rules of the Congressional floor, the insipid credulity of the media giving the GOP and only the GOP the benefit of the doubt at all times, and their state level dominance, which the national Dem party seems to have zero answer for, basically lets them spit in the face of any sort of comity and win anyway.

That Biden is relying on exactly that comity to win the day if he’s elected is going to basically mean the GOP get to run roughshod again with zero consequence.

What the GOP has just done in NC shows how interested they are in bipartisanship

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:35:30pm

re: #80 jaunte

The worst part is, they would never have created the platform unless they could offload the costs of buying and maintaining vehicles onto a bunch of drivers who would be short-changed.

That is true. It’s frustrating. As I’ve said, my Dad drove for awhile. They definitely ripped him off but at the same time, there’s a demand for it. I’ve never had to wait too long for an Uber. It proves more useful than cabs do in the burbs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:38:32pm

re: #77 fern01

They are wiping out a long term industry to make money for a few overlords. I hope they go broke as I hope everyone who was stupid enough to buy their shares lose money

there were rules/regulations around the taxi industry - now it is each man/woman for themselves - no regulations just chaos.

I’m just saying as someone who is out in the city a lot, quickly finding a ride and being able to use your phone to trace it can be helpful especially on a wild night. I agree completely with what’s being said but at the same time, I’m at a distinct disadvantage as someone who doesn’t drive. Ride sharing makes my life easier.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:40:34pm

re: #78 sagehen

And by limiting the number of available medallions…

I’m glad I’m not the only one who understands this. Listen Uber’s business model sucks but it’s naive imo to not understand why a need for this arose and why it’s popular. It really can be a huge timesaver if you’re in an unfamiliar environment.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:42:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:43:53pm

re: #85 Dread Pirate

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That guy is a living saint. He serves humanity.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:49:44pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

That guy is a living saint. He serves humanity.

I do hope someone puts him up for the Nobel Peace Prize.

I’m not sure who is authorised to make those nominations, but I’m pretty sure leaders of nations can. That would be something if Prime Minister Minnis put him in for it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:50:37pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I do hope someone puts him up for the Nobel Peace Prize.

I’m not sure who is authorised to make those nominations, but I’m pretty sure leaders of nations can. That would be something if Prime Minister Minnis put him in for it.

He definitely needs to be considered. He really represents us at our best as people.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:54:38pm

A radar-indicated tornado is near Greeley, Colorado.

We should be seeing the next round of thunderstorms within an hour from our south.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:57:53pm

Has any Kushner plan scored above absolute shit?

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:58:15pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

I got a time out on Twitter for asking if Trump told his minions to drink the Kool Aid, would they? I guess some Trumpers mass reported me for encouraging self harm or something. Whatever.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:59:15pm

Parts of the National Weather Service Website appear to be down. I cannot search by town for local forecasts.

There are two tornado warnings just east of me.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2019 • 8:59:43pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

They definitely ripped him off but at the same time, there’s a demand for it.

That’s the evil genius part. It’s so convenient, we’re all willing to participate in ripping off someone else’s dad.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:00:35pm

Straight out of the totalitarianism playbook.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:01:17pm

re: #93 jaunte

That’s the evil genius part. It’s so convenient, we’re all willing to participate in ripping off someone else’s dad.

I know. Sigh. Frustrates me. FWIW I always tip.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:02:00pm

Doh

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:02:49pm

I’ve hit despair mode again. Been awhile.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:06:15pm

re: #97 plansbandc

What happened?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:06:16pm

re: #94 DodgerFan1988

Straight out of the totalitarianism playbook.

Rudy Giuliani gets ripped to shreds for sharing ominous ‘ode to fascism’ video on 9/11 (Raw Story)

Rudy Giuliani marked the 18th anniversary of 9/11 by sharing an excerpt from a clothing commercial — and other social media users recoiled in horror.

Clothing manufacturer Grunt Style — which sells “patriotic” apparel celebrating police, military and violence — produced an ad last year the company says was intended for the Super Bowl that shows a police officer marching against anti-fascist demonstrators.

“This commercial shows what we stand for,” the company says in a statement posted with the video. “We support our military. We support the police. We support everyone’s right to protest. Protest peacefully.”

(more)

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:09:20pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

Everything that happened in trumpland again. I just feel we’re fighting a losing battle every goddamn day.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:12:56pm

Not sure if this has landed here, but along the lines of Chuccubus in the halls of power:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:14:13pm

re: #100 plansbandc

Everything that happened in trumpland again. I just feel we’re fighting a losing battle every goddamn day.

The Republicans are going too far. Just look what those motherfathers did in the North Carolina Assembly today. The Speaker flat out lied and illegally overrode the Governor’s veto. Friends in North Carolina sent me links to papers where people are really pissed off in the state.

Republicans are just like every other authoritarian party that ever existed. They always take that one extra step that leads to their collapse and fall. And that is what we are seeing right now.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:17:19pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:19:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:20:06pm

re: #93 jaunte

That’s the evil genius part. It’s so convenient, we’re all willing to participate in ripping off someone else’s dad.

Not all of us, but I get called a purity pony for such things.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:22:11pm

Oh and President Cartman retweet Paul Joseph Watson’s two year old tweet.

WTF isn’t strong enough any more.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:24:28pm

re: #106 BigPapa

Oh and President Cartman retweet Paul Joseph Watson’s two year old tweet.

WTF isn’t strong enough any more.

Which tweet? That Trump likes InfoWars is disturbing as is.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:25:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:26:23pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Not sure if this has landed here, but along the lines of Chuccubus in the halls of power:

I’m sure George Conway is studiously ignoring this to continue trying to make friends with those on the left.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:26:24pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Not sure if this has landed here, but along the lines of Chuccubus in the halls of power:

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I wish they wouldn’t say things like “executed X leftists”. “Leftist” is “subhuman” or “animal” in rightspeak. Just say “people”.

I’d like to see one of these chubby little shits wear their edgy t-shirts where it actually happened. Maybe have him take a walk through Buenos Aires and film the result…

Edit: Yeah maybe not Buenos Aires since that’s in Argentina. Valparaiso maybe… (It’s late and I was thinking of the OTHER right-wing shithead down south. No, not that one… No, not that one either…)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:27:47pm

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:27:48pm

re: #110 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wish they wouldn’t say things like “executed X leftists”. “Leftist” is “subhuman” or “animal” in rightspeak. Just say “people”.

I’d like to see one of these chubby little shits wear their edgy t-shirts where it actually happened. Maybe have him take a walk through Buenos Aires and film the result…

Pregnant women were a favorite target of both the Argentine junta and Pinochet. Btw you mean Santiago not Buenos Aires.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:28:22pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Which tweet? That Trump likes InfoWars is disturbing as is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:29:18pm

re: #113 BigPapa

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JFC.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:31:23pm

re: #103 BigPapa

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It’s a fucking miracle.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:31:40pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:34:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:35:04pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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You worked for him Mooch. Spare us your feigned surprise that he would do this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:35:49pm
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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:37:43pm

So the @Education4Libs dude was on a podcast talking about how he was at a Q rally and Turning Point USA asked him to be an Ambassador then he talked about Jordan Peterson giving a lecture and somebody asked him about the Jewish Question of media control. He was not happy that Peterson didn’t answer the question.

We’re into Fractal WTF’s now.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:41:02pm

re: #120 BigPapa

So the @Education4Libs dude was on a podcast talking about how he was at a Q rally and Turning Point USA asked him to be an Ambassador then he talked about Jordan Peterson giving a lecture and somebody asked him about the Jewish Question of media control. He was not happy that Peterson didn’t answer the question.

We’re into of Fractal WTF’s now.

Jordon Peterson is a crypto-fascist (but not so crypto).

video, 28:19

Jordan Peterson | ContraPoints

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:41:43pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate

Fun fact
Rocket Man’s rocket test was an abject failure.
Of the four rockets in the launcher, three had some level of ignition. Radar only tracked two projectiles. One rocket reached the intended landing area some 330 Kms away. One rocket only traveled ~200 Kms.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:44:10pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Not sure if this has landed here, but along the lines of Chuccubus in the halls of power:

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Well, as far as Pinochet doing nothing wrong, it must be noted that he forced Salvador Allende to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back 22 times with an MP-5, pausing only twice to reload.

According to the NRA, this is why a high-cap magazine is needed by everyday citizens.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:48:55pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate

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But he sent a lovely letter to me! (Me, Me, Me!)

We have a great relationship!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:48:58pm

Unsurprisingly, Jesse Lee Peterson dislikes educated women. (Who funds that guy? He has thousands of Christian followers.)

(video, 6:59, goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language)

Jesse Lee Peterson Dislikes Educated Women

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:50:04pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Unsurprisingly, Jesse Lee Peterson dislikes educated women. (Who funds that guy? He has thousands of Christian followers.)

(video, 6:59, goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language)

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I don’t think he likes women period.

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BigPapa  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:50:47pm

re: #120 BigPapa

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:53:02pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he likes women period.

But without women, who’d make his sandwiches?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:56:39pm

Today is the day he became presidential, part I lost count:

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2019 • 9:59:36pm

re: #100 plansbandc

Everything that happened in trumpland again. I just feel we’re fighting a losing battle every goddamn day.

Make sure that this place isn’t your only view of the world. It can get depressing here, because we concentrate all of the stuff Trump and the GOP are doing, with only a few tidbits of good people and events, like #85.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:07:20pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Today is the day he became presidential, part I lost count:

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Press sees departure of Bolton as sign that a new “dove” Trump will appear, will allow it to go unremarked when he either doesn’t appoint a replacement or finds another warmonger to take the spot.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:09:15pm
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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:19:25pm

re: #130 Belafon

Make sure that this place isn’t your only view of the world. It can get depressing here, because we concentrate all of the stuff Trump and the GOP are doing, with only a few tidbits of good people and events, like #85.

Drumpf grinds you down with his constant bulkshit. It wears you out, but it’s just shit. Keep your eyes on the prize, which is to get everyone registered and to the polls in 2020. We can take back the Senate, stack the House, and elect a Democrat into the White House.

At this point, this is all that matters. It will take years to mitigate what the R’s have done to the Courts, but that is done. We have to look forward, not lick our wounds.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:26:27pm

re: #133 austin_blue

Drumpf grinds you down with his constant bulkshit. It wears you out, but it’s just shit. Keep your eyes on the prize, which is to get everyone registered and to the polls in 2020. We can take back the Senate, stack the House, and elect a Democrat into the White House.

At this point, this is all that matters. It will take years to mitigate what the R’s have done to the Courts, but that is done. We have to look forward, not lick our wounds.

Yup, watching up here north of you shows what can be done, as the Texodus of Republicans proceeds in your state.

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CleverToad  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:29:26pm

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not all of us, but I get called a purity pony for such things.

Well, no, you get called a purity pony for railing about the Evil Twitter when you’re one of the most frequent Twitter users on this site. You post tweets constantly. This is not a bad thing — most are informative, many are interesting contributions to the conversations here. But we’re watching you preach against a site/sevice — and likewise the the participants thereof — that you follow avidly, while you hold yourself up as a model of virtue for participating only by proxy.

Pot, kettle. Mote, beam. Fundie with a Playboy subscription.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:32:24pm

I haven’t seen you directly speak out against President Trump yet, Sen. Sasse.

Sasse says Nebraska agriculture needs an end to trade wars (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link)

Sen. Ben Sasse said Tuesday the United States “needs to get through hard trade negotiations with China (and) get trade wars out of the way” so markets can be reopened and expanded for U.S. agricultural products.

In the meantime, he said, the House needs to approve the new U.S. trade agreement with Mexico and Canada negotiated to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.

All of that is critically important to Nebraska agriculture, Sasse said, which will suffer an estimated $1 billion loss of trade markets for its farm products for the second year in a row.

You know, Senator, this state can’t keep soaking up billion dollar losses in markets every year. If there was only someone with a lot of power, someone who belonged to a body of only one hundred people, who might be able to call BS for what it is and work with those who are trying to get something done about this.

But you can’t be a conservative if you do that. You have to maintain your power and position amongst other conservatives; putting the state you represent first is far back in your rear-view mirror.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:35:30pm

re: #132 Belafon

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Government that’s been lying for months about negotiations with EU for avoiding no-deal and lied to shut down Parliament now wants to be believed when they say they’ll be ready for handling the chaos of no-deal Brexit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:36:56pm

re: #135 CleverToad

Well, no, you get called a purity pony for railing about the Evil Twitter when you’re one of the most frequent Twitter users on this site. You post tweets constantly. This is not a bad thing — most are informative, many are interesting contributions to the conversations here. But we’re watching you preach against a site/sevice — and likewise the the participants thereof — that you follow avidly, while you hold yourself up as a model of virtue for participating only by proxy.

Pot, kettle. Mote, beam. Fundie with a Playboy subscription.

I do not have a Twitter subscription.

Twitter makes literally $0 from me when I post a photo of a guinea pig or a snarky tweet from Stonekettle.

On the other hand, giving Uber my money (if i did that) is quite literally supporting their business model of gutting the taxi industry and its workers without complying with any of the laws surrounding it, brushing rape under the rug, &c.

So yeah, I guess I’m a purity pony.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:36:57pm

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yup, watching up here north of you shows what can be done, as the Texodus of Republicans proceeds in your state.

Yeah, it’s a rush for the door for gerrymandered seats that gave R’s a bleeding edge for election. They are bailing like Airborne on D-day. The only black R in the Congress, a former CIA officer isn’t running again. Good buddy of Beto.

I’m tired. I’m going to bed. Night all, sweet dreams.

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CleverToad  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:38:38pm

re: #97 plansbandc

I’ve hit despair mode again. Been awhile.

{{{Take a breather. Take care of yourself}}}
Yeah, it’s exhausting. Been thinking I need to take a news break for a few days myself — my patience and energy are running really low lately. There’s a nagging fear of missing something majorly bad, but maybe better to find something useful close at hand, however small.

I just volunteered to send postcards for a local city council race in November — getting Dems in at all levels would be a start.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:39:00pm

re: #139 austin_blue

Yeah, it’s a rush for the door for gerrymandered seats that gave R’s a bleeding edge for election. They are bailing like Airborne on D-day. The only black R in the Congress, a former CIA officer isn’t running again. Good buddy of Beto.

I’m tired. I’m going to bed. Night all, sweet dreams.

I’m going to hit the rack as well, as I have a long drive to Denver tomorrow.

G’night, y’all.

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CleverToad  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:43:28pm

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I do not have a Twitter subscription.

Twitter makes literally $0 from me when I post a photo of a guinea pig or a snarky tweet from Stonekettle.

On the other hand, giving Uber my money (if i did that) is quite literally supporting their business model of gutting the taxi industry and its workers without complying with any of the laws surrounding it, brushing rape under the rug, &c.

So yeah, I guess I’m a purity pony.

Yep, pure as the driven.
Malarkey.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:45:51pm

re: #110 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wish they wouldn’t say things like “executed X leftists”. “Leftist” is “subhuman” or “animal” in rightspeak. Just say “people”.

I’d like to see one of these chubby little shits wear their edgy t-shirts where it actually happened. Maybe have him take a walk through Buenos Aires and film the result…

Edit: Yeah maybe not Buenos Aires since that’s in Argentina. Valparaiso maybe… (It’s late and I was thinking of the OTHER right-wing shithead down south. No, not that one… No, not that one either…)

Among the not-leftists assassinated by the Pinochet gang was General Carlos Prats, the Chilean army’s top artillery officer and army commander under Allende. A few weeks before the successful September 11 coup, he put down the so-called Tanquetazo coup, at one point wielding a Thompson sub-machine gun as he confronted coup-plotters outside the defense ministry. He resigned early in September, feeling that he had lost control of the army. He went into exile in Argentina shortly after the coup a few days later. Just over a year later, he and his wife were killed by a car bomb in Buenos Aires. The notorious assassin Michael Townley, later imprisoned in the United States for the assassination of Orlando Letelier in Washington DC, was believed responsible. Townley is currently in the witness protection program in the US.

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CleverToad  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:47:35pm

G’night all, I’m out of patience.
Here’s to a better tomorrow — take care, folks

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2019 • 10:52:33pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Among the not-leftists assassinated by the Pinochet gang was General Carlos Prats, the Chilean army’s top artillery officer and army commander under Allende. A few weeks before the successful September 11 coup, he put down the so-called Tanquetazo coup, at one point wielding a Thompson sub-machine gun as he confronted coup-plotters outside the defense ministry. He resigned early in September, feeling that he had lost control of the army. He went into exile in Argentina shortly after the coup a few days later. Just over a year later, he and his wife were killed by a car bomb in Buenos Aires. The notorious assassin Michael Townley, later imprisoned in the United States for the assassination of Orlando Letelier in Washington DC, was believed responsible. Townley is currently in the witness protection program in the US.

We do stuff like that and then we wonder why people don’t love us. Our FP history is full of foolish crap like that.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 11:52:29pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 11, 2019 • 11:58:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:13:27am

NOAA’s Chief Scientist is in full on RAGE MODE:

During the course of the storm, as I am sure you are aware, there were routine and exceptional expert forecasts, the best possible, issued by the NWS Forecasters. These are remarkable colleagues of ours, who receive our products, use them well, and provide the benefit of their own experience in announcing accurate forecasts accompanied by the distinction of all credible scientists—they sign their work. As I’m sure you also know, there was a complex issue involving the President commenting on the path of the hurricane. The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should. There followed, last Friday, an unsigned press release from “NOAA” that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political. Our NOAA Scientific Integrity Policy and Code of Scientific Conduct make clear that all NOAA employees shall approach all scientific activities with honesty, objectively, and completely, without allegiance to individuals, organizations, or ideology. The content of this press release is very concerning as it compromises the ability of NOAA to convey life-saving information necessary to avoid substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. If the public cannot trust our information, or we debase our forecaster’s warnings and products, that specific danger arises.

You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information. Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA’s policies of scientific integrity. In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity. Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best. Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths. I will.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:19:19am

re: #80 jaunte

The worst part is, they would never have created the platform unless they could offload the costs of buying and maintaining vehicles onto a bunch of drivers who would be short-changed.

Driers are just a temporary solution until they can implement self-driving cars.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:42:00am
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Dread Pirate  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:03:34am

Is anybody in line to work in Trump’s Cabinet not a piece of shit?

/that was a rhetorical question, obviously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:13:15am

re: #151 Dread Pirate

Brian Hook is a subject of a State Dept inspector general investigation into whether he engaged in political retaliation against career government staffers.

Career government staffers = Deep State

Deep State = enemy of the people

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Dread Pirate  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:38:13am

Who’s the bitch now, Donny?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:43:40am

Yes, I know, it’s only September.

But Youtube put this video in my playlist today, because it’s a new release on a channel to which I subscribe.

Calendar be damned:

𝐏𝐄𝐓𝐔𝐋𝐀 𝐂𝐋𝐀𝐑𝐊 / 𝟔-𝐓𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐀𝐥𝐛𝐮𝐦

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:00:06am

So the judge’s ruling against Boris seems to have the UK tabloids all heated:

‘Unlawful’ suspension of Parliament dominates Thursday’s headlines

The Scottish Court of Session’s ruling that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s suspension of parliament was unlawful dominates the nation’s papers on Thursday, along with more forecasts about imminent developments on Brexit.

Of course Johnson may just decide to do what Trump can only fantasize about - just ignore the court.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:00:25am

re: #142 CleverToad

Yep, pure as the driven.
Malarkey.

I logged in briefly before I go to bed. Denver is a long ways from here.

Okay, I will accept (since a bunch of people upvoted your comment) that I am a “purity pony” for posting snarky comments or informative tweets from Twitterati.

I see how others might think I am hypocritical for posting comments from other people, even though I have no account myself, and though I have resisted my own state government’s demand that as my village’s Public information Officer I refuse to open a Twitter or Facebook account.

I concede. I am a hypocrite.

Therefore, since I do not wish to be a hypocrite (and certainly not a “purity pony,” the definition of which seems to be ‘something I don’t like’), I will no longer look at people who post informative things there and especially not repost them here.

I despise hypocrisy, and if I am being called out as a hypocrite, I need to examine that and determine if that is true or if it is tone-policing.

I still ain’t using Uber. I don’t care for exploiting workers.

I’m off to Denver in the morning to have my car serviced after it was pummeled near to death by softball-size hail.

As such, I will be missing from here. I also need to take a break from political commentary here for a while. I don’t know whether that will be a few days or a few months, but the open despite for my position about Twitter and Uber makes me feel as though I am not welcome here.

I will still read, as this is an important place to learn things I cannot learn from my completely conservative controlled local media. I presume the commentary from a purity pony isn’t necessary though.

G’night y’all.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:00:32am

OFFS…

Trump has access to NASA and NOAA and some of the brightest minds in climate science, but sure, let’s hear from the conspiracy theorist guy who thinks soybeans make you gay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:01:15am

re: #155 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So the judge’s ruling against Boris seems to have the UK tabloids all heated:

‘Unlawful’ suspension of Parliament dominates Thursday’s headlines

Of course Johnson may just decide to do what Trump can only fantasize about - just ignore the court.

Trump does not need to ignore courts if they fail to rule or consistently rule in his favor because they are packed with his appointments.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:03:47am

Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s Minister of Foreign Affairs / Ministre des Affaires étrangères du Canada is running for Federal office in the University-Rosedale district in Toronto.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:16:10am

Possibility of multiple hurricanes next week, probably will dominate the news.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:18:36am

re: #160 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Possibility of multiple hurricanes next week, probably will dominate the news.

Trump needs to stock up on sharpies.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:19:24am

re: #150 Dread Pirate

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Hypothesis:

To pay for the room and board they’ve been forced into… he’ll lease them out as farm laborers. Since all the current farm laborers will have been deported by then.

Convict leasing, updated for a new generation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:20:45am

re: #162 sagehen

Hypothesis:

To pay for the room and board they’ve been forced into… he’ll lease them out as farm laborers. Since all the current farm laborers will have been deported by then.

Convict leasing, updated for a new generation.

There is a money-making scheme behind it or he and his people would not be supporting it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 12, 2019 • 2:24:49am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 12, 2019 • 4:57:07am

I bet you didn’t know direct deposit works both ways.

Customers of MyPayrollHR hit the ground running on Monday to reverse damage that’s been done to their accounts.

This comes after people were alerted late Friday to multiple pay checks being withdrawn.

Since the scandal broke, people have been hit not once, but in some cases three times by the company attempting to withdraw funds.

I wonder what country the owners are now with all their millions?
news10.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:11:01am

re: #157 Ace-o-aces

OFFS…

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Trump has access to NASA and NOAA and some of the brightest minds in climate science, but sure, let’s hear from the conspiracy theorist guy who thinks soybeans make you gay.

It’s nuts how many of these wackos he gives legitimacy.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:17:22am

re: #38 mmmirele

And y’all saw this, right?

beta.washingtonpost.com

Sounds a lot like wanting to get rid of “undesirables,” part two.

Is this the gypsy roundup part of the plan or is this under another category? I need to brush up on my Nazi game plan history.

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Jay C  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:25:17am

re: #157 Ace-o-aces

OFFS…

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Trump has access to NASA and NOAA and some of the brightest minds in climate science, but sure, let’s hear from the conspiracy theorist guy who thinks soybeans make you gay.

So I guess Watson thought it would go unnoticed that said ship was actually able to sail to “ halfway between Norway and the North Pole” before encountering ice? Not that he cares, I’m sure….

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Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:38:17am

Good morning.

Was that a flounce?

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jeffreyw  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:53:11am

o

Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:53:30am

re: #169 Stanley Sea

Good morning.

Was that a flounce?

I don’t know. And I don’t understand where he gets that his opinion on ride sharing isn’t welcome here. There’s plenty who agree with that but don’t come off looking down on those of us who do which is how I feel regarding modern social media and ride share.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 5:55:27am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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That word “yet” is doing a whole lot of work there - all of it bad.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:01:45am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So, forced birth anti abortion extremists are now going on about ectopic pregnancies, claiming doctors should take a watch and wait approach, thinking that somehow there can be a good outcome with a live birth?

These people are out of their fucking minds.

Ectopic pregnancies are among the most dangerous conditions a woman might face. It can cause uncontrollable bleeding and death. Why take a watch and wait approach? Oh yeah, because a fetus (alive or dead) is more valued than a living woman. And with ectopic pregnancies, there’s no hope for a good outcome with a live birth.

You’d have a dead fetus and a dead woman.

The cruelty is the point. The control and loss of agency is the point.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:03:13am

Firings remain extremely low as initial unemployment claims total only 204k last week. We have a shortage of low skill workers which could be alleviated by a sane immigration policy. calculatedriskblog.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:05:29am

re: #173 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So, forced birth anti abortion extremists are now going on about ectopic pregnancies, claiming doctors should take a watch and wait approach, thinking that somehow there can be a good outcome with a live birth?

These people are out of their fucking minds.

Ectopic pregnancies are among the most dangerous conditions a woman might face. It can cause uncontrollable bleeding and death. Why take a watch and wait approach? Oh yeah, because a fetus (alive or dead) is more valued than a living woman. And with ectopic pregnancies, there’s no hope for a good outcome with a live birth.

You’d have a dead fetus and a dead woman.

The cruelty is the point. The control and loss of agency is the point.

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Then it was God’s will; at least she can be with her baby in Heaven!///

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:09:51am

So, about that Iran deal France is floating to Trump to get the JCPOA back on track.

Trump is likely to take the deal to get back to the status quo ante, despite getting nothing from his nonsensical abrogation for sheer spite of Obama. He gets no credit for doing what shouldn’t have even been necessary.

It’s the same all across government. Trump blows up stuff relating to Obama to the cheers of the GOP, and then Trump walks back some stuff to claim that he’s made a better deal that is worse than what was there previously.

We’re supposed to believe all the nonsense Trump spews - that he’s a great negotiator, when it’s clear he can’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag full of holes.

He’s awful at his job, and his underlings are worse - he picks people who he can bully and suck up to him telling him what he wants to hear. That’s the job description. If you tell Trump what he wants to hear, you have the job. Competency and skill are irrelevant.

And it shows.

The GOP is taking advantage of all this to roll back the administrative state in fundamental ways, all while expanding executive power in dangerous ways. Neither is a good sign in a functioning government, because the sum is that the president gets away with doing even more damage with less oversight.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:12:09am

Just heard on Stephanie Miller that Malcom Nance’s wife passed away yesterday. Damn it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:13:55am

re: #177 A Mom Anon

Just heard on Stephanie Miller that Malcom Nance’s wife passed away yesterday. Damn it.

Damn. Poor Malcolm.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:17:48am
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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:19:15am

re: #177 A Mom Anon

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:22:14am

re: #180 Belafon

Fuck cancer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:24:09am

re: #179 Belafon

In CNN’s polling going back to 2003, Americans have never, at any point, in any election cycle, been more enthusiastic about voting than they are today… 13 months before the 2020

voting was something we started to take for granted.

then we started hearing news about how whole blocs of people were being systematically disenfranchised…institutional voter fraud in the name of preventing individual “voter fraud”

I hope they are made to pay dearly

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:28:49am

A guy from Crimea has discovered a comet that looks like it came from outside our solar system: m.dailykos.com. Check out the guy’s homemade telescope:

What a telescope
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:40:22am

re: #173 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So, forced birth anti abortion extremists are now going on about ectopic pregnancies, claiming doctors should take a watch and wait approach, thinking that somehow there can be a good outcome with a live birth?

These people are out of their fucking minds.

Ectopic pregnancies are among the most dangerous conditions a woman might face. It can cause uncontrollable bleeding and death. Why take a watch and wait approach? Oh yeah, because a fetus (alive or dead) is more valued than a living woman. And with ectopic pregnancies, there’s no hope for a good outcome with a live birth.

You’d have a dead fetus and a dead woman.

The cruelty is the point. The control and loss of agency is the point.

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Apparently about 1 in 3 million ectopic pregnancies have led to a successful birth — where the fetus is in the abdomen rather than the fallopian tubes, it can on a very rare occasion work. It’s criminal that anyone is promoting the notion that anything other than an immediate abortion is an acceptable approach to this condition. Any health professional who suggests a wait-and-see approach should immediately forfeit their license.

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:43:30am

re: #176 lawhawk

So in effect, all Iran had to do was sit back and let the miserable Trump clown show implode on itself (which it does time and time again) and not only pocket another $15 Billion in loans, but also look like the rational, agreement-fulfilling good guy as well.

Trump’s once theoretical ineptitude concerning hostile nations policy is now reality. North Korea is now on deck looking for a way to get more than $15 Billion and Trump will give it to them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:44:22am

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

Apparently about 1 in 3 million ectopic pregnancies have led to a successful birth — where the fetus is in the abdomen rather than the fallopian tubes, it can on a very rare occasion work. It’s criminal that anyone is promoting the notion that anything other than an immediate abortion is an acceptable approach to this condition. Any health professional who suggests a wait-and-see approach should immediately forfeit their license.

Thoughts and Prayers and a one-in-three-million chance…

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A Mom Anon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:55:13am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They don’t seem to even care or understand actual biology and reality. Maybe they should be forced to watch an actual surgery to save a woman’s life and see how much blood is involved. And women who support this? They need biology lessons, yesterday. This is just dumb and mean, that shouldn’t have a say here period.

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:56:31am

re: #187 A Mom Anon

They don’t seem to even care or understand actual biology and reality. Maybe they should be forced to watch an actual surgery to save a woman’s life and see how much blood is involved. And women who support this? They need biology lessons, yesterday. This is just dumb and mean, that shouldn’t have a say here period.

This requires them to see those mothers as actual human beings, rather than the incubators they believe them to be.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:56:32am

Anne Laurie found some great replies to this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 6:58:58am

re: #187 A Mom Anon

They don’t seem to even care or understand actual biology and reality. Maybe they should be forced to watch an actual surgery to save a woman’s life and see how much blood is involved. And women who support this? They need biology lessons, yesterday. This is just dumb and mean, that shouldn’t have a say here period.

This is what happens when an ideology is allowed to gain the upper hand

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:00:38am

I caught a commercial this morning from one of the big Dallas Baptist churches. The preacher is doing a series on Revelation, and the commercial was basically the end times are coming, what do you need to do to be prepared.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:05:28am

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then it was God’s will; at least she can be with her baby in Heaven!///

That is the bullshit I heard from asshole Pulpit Pimps when I was forced to go to church. Only made me more determined to get the fuck out of those right wing brainwashing chambers and never go back.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:06:38am

re: #191 Belafon

I caught a commercial this morning from one of the big Dallas Baptist churches. The preacher is doing a series on Revelation, and the commercial was basically the end times are coming, what do you need to do to be prepared.

They have been uttering the same bullshit since the 1800s and people are still dumb enough to fall for it.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:08:00am

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then it was God’s will; at least she can be with her baby in Heaven!///

From what Jesus said, that’s not how Heaven works anyway. (Yes, I see the sarc tags)

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:09:36am

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then it was God’s will; at least she can be with her baby in Heaven!///

re: #192 Joe Bacon 🌹

That is the bullshit I heard from asshole Pulpit Pimps when I was forced to go to church. Only made me more determined to get the fuck out of those right wing brainwashing chambers and never go back.

Life is so sacred that God wants to take back the mother’s via divine feticide. Totally makes sense to me.

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lizardofid  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:09:59am

re: #191 Belafon

I caught a commercial this morning from one of the big Dallas Baptist churches. The preacher is doing a series on Revelation, and the commercial was basically the end times are coming, what do you need to do to be prepared.

Robert Jeffress. Trump’s man downtown.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:10:08am

re: #189 Belafon

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:12:34am

re: #189 Belafon

Anne Laurie found some great replies to this:

…..
Hallowed hand guns deal +2 to damage to undead.
….

Sorry — I don’t get this one? Can you explain?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:12:56am

re: #196 lizardofid

Robert Jeffress. Trump’s man downtown.

Just a reminder of what an anti-Semite Jeffress is…

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lizardofid  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:15:03am

re: #191 Belafon

I caught a commercial this morning from one of the big Dallas Baptist churches. The preacher is doing a series on Revelation, and the commercial was basically the end times are coming, what do you need to do to be prepared.

For anyone unfamiliar with rev. Jeffress

dallasobserver.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:15:18am

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

Robert Jeffress says that Bernie Sanders is “completely illiterate when it comes to what the Old Testament teaches about Israel,” as are all Jews who vote for Democrats.

What do Jews know about the Old Testament?

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:15:54am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

The idea is very useful in principle. I’m in cities a lot. Sometimes a cab isn’t available and if you’ve been out drinking, Uber can prove more timely than a cab. They treat their employees awful but it’s sound in principle but terrible in practice.

The problem with Uber (et Al) is not the mocel.
It’s the greed part of the model

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:18:16am

re: #198 Hecuba’s daughter

Sorry — I don’t get this one? Can you explain?

It’s a reference to tabletop role playing games a la Dungeons and Dragons, where certain weapon types or weapons with certain attributes get bonuses or negatives toward certain types of enemies. “+2 to Undead” would mean that certain weapon gets bonus damage to undead enemies you would encounter.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:20:49am

Oh, look: Gun nuts will have nowhere to shop pretty soon.

NBC - A group of 145 CEOs from some of the largest companies in America have sent a letter to senators demanding they pass stronger gun control laws, calling firearm violence “a public health crisis that demands urgent action.”

The letter, signed by the chief executives of Uber, Levi Strauss & Co., Twitter and Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd., among other companies, urges Congress to expand background checks and “red flag” laws, legislation that would enable law enforcement to temporarily take guns away from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.

“We are writing to you because we have a responsibility and obligation to stand up for the safety of our employees, customers and all Americans in the communities we serve across the country. Doing nothing about America’s gun violence crisis is simply unacceptable and it is time to stand with the American public on gun safety,” the letter, dated Thursday and first reported by The New York Times, said.

“Gun violence in America is not inevitable; it’s preventable. There are steps Congress can, and must, take to prevent and reduce gun violence. We need our lawmakers to support commonsense gun laws that could prevent tragedies like these,” it continued.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:24:14am

re: #203 Citizen K

It’s a reference to tabletop role playing games a la Dungeons and Dragons, where certain weapon types or weapons with certain attributes get bonuses or negatives toward certain types of enemies. “+2 to Undead” would mean that certain weapon gets bonus damage to undead enemies you would encounter.

Thank you! I have never played any of these games and so am totally unfamiliar with the language or context surrounding them. (Bridge and freecell are more my type)

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:25:01am

re: #80 jaunte

The worst part is, they would never have created the platform unless they could offload the costs of buying and maintaining vehicles onto a bunch of drivers who would be short-changed.

+1

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:27:16am

re: #205 Hecuba’s daughter

Thank you! I have never played any of these games and so am totally unfamiliar with the language or context surrounding them. (Bridge and freecell are more my type)

In a lot of cases, they either got them because of a blessing or a curse, or in some cases, they were artifacts that went through their own ordeal and gained the attribute (a sword that was used to slay a hundred demons, or whatever the dungeon master thinks up).

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:27:56am

He is still cute & adorable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:30:19am

re: #202 DangerMan

The problem with Uber (et Al) is not the mocel.
It’s the greed part of the model

So Germany tried to crack down on this sort of pseudo-entrepreneurship model. It involved delivery people, for UPS or TNT and especially people delivering frozen foods. They had to wear company livery, drive trucks (often leased from the company) painted with the company logo, drove fixed routes and set rates but were considered “contract labor” and “free-lance workers”.

One restaurant even tried to get away with “renting” tables to its free lance waiters who then “purchased” the food from the kitchen and re-sold it to the customers, eating the losses if the customers walked out on it or sent it back…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:31:20am

re: #208 The Pie Overlord!

Haley Joel Osment: ‘There’s an expectation for darkness in child stardom’

Because our society is full of sick fucks with a perverse view of human nature.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:48:51am
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BigPapa  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:51:05am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One restaurant even tried to get away with “renting” tables to its free lance waiters who then “purchased” the food from the kitchen and re-sold it to the customers, eating the losses if the customers walked out on it or sent it back…

That’s pretty brazen. In MuricaFuckYeahIstan, success would be if the restaurant owner made profit. They would be hailed as genius.

Not if the owner made profit, the waiters made a decent living, and the patrons were loyal because the food/service was good. The 2nd and 3rd part is irrelevant. That’s the problem.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:53:20am

re: #208 The Pie Overlord!

He is still cute & adorable.

If he’d learn to program, he could blend in just about anywhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:53:34am

re: #212 BigPapa

That’s pretty brazen. In MuricaFuckYeahIstan, success would be if the restaurant owner made profit. They would be hailed as genius.

Not if the owner made profit, the waiters made a decent living, and the patrons were loyal because the food/service was good. The 2nd and 3rd part is irrelevant. That’s the problem.

We have our own way of exploiting our food service workers that is unknown in Europe, where a 15% service charge is built in, tipping is a matter of rounding up to the next full sum and waiters are, by law, all insured and have minimum guaranteed vacation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:54:10am

Meanwhile in Fox News Bizarro land, Tucker Carlson is claiming that John Bolton is “fundamentally a man of the Left”.

John. Fucking. Bolton.

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makeitstop  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:55:15am

re: #169 Stanley Sea

Good morning.

Was that a flounce?

It’s happened before, remember.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:55:22am

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Meanwhile in Fox News Bizarro land, Tucker Carlson is claiming that John Bolton is “fundamentally a man of the Left”.

John. Fucking. Bolton.

RW definition of left: anyone who doesn’t worship Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:55:36am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have our own way of exploiting our food service workers that is unknown in Europe, where a 15% service charge is built in, tipping is a matter of rounding up to the next full sum and waiters are, by law, all insured and have minimum guaranteed vacation.

Canada too. Servers in Canada are at least paid minimum wage and of course have access to our single payer healthcare system. In some provinces, like Ontario, they are eligible for additional benefits, like up to a year of maternity leave.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 12, 2019 • 7:56:08am

Lying liar. Also A Idiot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:00:21am

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

Lying liar. Also A Idiot.

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Expected? By who? Your braindead followers?

Why would they buy our stuff after you Tariffed the hell out of them?

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:06:46am

While we have been grinding our teeth over the NC house cheating by gerrymander to get control, then cheating by lying to the Democratic caucus about business being conducted in order to override the governor’s veto of the budget (the NC senate still must override, but it only takes 1 D senator to support), there are more shenanigans.

We heard about the weird “lottery” of five “court approved” redistricting plans, but I hadn’t realized how deep the cheating went. The court approved expert for Democrats had done two major sets of examples: one at random and one designed to preserve incumbents. This was done to illustrate the effect of preserving Republican power despite minority status. Guess which set the five “court approved” redistricting plans put in the lottery tank were chosen from? Yep. You win the trophy!

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:07:21am

re: #221 retired cynic

Meant to say, from Judd Legum’s Popular Information!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:09:24am
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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:09:50am

I just got an intersting “both sides” variation from my coworker when I described to him the veto override shenanigans: “The only day this country hasn’t been political was September 12, 2001.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:11:03am
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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:11:04am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do we have an actual EPA head, or an acting one?

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:12:18am

re: #224 Belafon

I just got an intersting “both sides” variation from my coworker when I described to him the veto override shenanigans: “The only day this country hasn’t been political was September 12, 2001.”

It’s almost like politics is the way things change in this country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:12:35am

re: #226 Belafon

Do we have an actual EPA head, or an acting one?

The Administrator is not an acting one, but the Deputy Administrator is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:12:38am

re: #226 Belafon

Do we have an actual EPA head, or an acting one?

acting head, Andrew Wheeler, IIRC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:13:47am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

acting head, Andrew Wheeler, IIRC

just checked…Senate confirmed him in February.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:14:59am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why there aren’t thousands upon thousands of people there right now………………….

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:16:15am

re: #228 Eclectic Cyborg

The Administrator is not an acting one, but the Deputy Administrator is.

Acting administrators didn’t last nearly this long in the Obama years since Obama actually knew how to assemble capable civil administrators rather than right wing hacks uninterested in the mission of and or looking to profit from their department or agency.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:20:47am

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

Lying liar. Also A Idiot.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:21:05am

The House Judiciary, on a party line, 24-17 vote, voted to begin an impeachment inquiry: dailykos.com.

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steve_davis  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:24:39am

re: #46 teleskiguy

Thank you Shiplord Kirel for destigmatizing dad jokes around these parts.

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I shot the serif, but I did not kill the “w” key.

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William Lewis  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:27:05am

re: #235 steve_davis

I shot the serif, but I did not kill the “w” key.

Exquisite, Wish I had thought of that answer to the serif last night.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:29:28am

re: #234 Belafon

The House Judiciary, on a party line, 24-17 vote, voted to begin an impeachment inquiry: dailykos.com.

So are we finally at the “shit just got real” phase?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:29:32am

I Chateau Neuf de Pape but I did not shoot Gerard Depardieu!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:29:39am

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Gotta hook up his short seller buddies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:30:15am

re: #234 Belafon

They should vote when most Republicans aren’t present. See how they like it.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:38:26am

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nope. Baby was conceived in sin and hadn’t yet accepted Jesus Christ as its personal saviour.

So, according to these dipshits, the baby burns in Hell.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:40:04am

A general comment over some of the discussion in this thread: Let’s be civil here even if we disagree strongly with positions taken by other lizards. There were a few times over the years when some lizards objected to one of my positions in a style that I thought was demeaning but I have learned even before joining this site that people (except for Trump supporters) often don’t realize how their language can be painful to others and don’t really intend to be cruel. We have enough problems to face in this new world without turning on each other.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:41:35am

re: #242 Hecuba’s daughter

A general comment over some of the discussion in this thread: Let’s be civil here even if we disagree strongly with positions taken by other lizards. There were a few times over the years when some lizards objected to one of my positions in a style that I thought was demeaning but I have learned even before joining this site that people (except for Trump supporters) often don’t realize how their language can be painful to others and don’t really intend to be cruel. We have enough problems to face in this new world without turning on each other.

Truth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:43:25am

re: #242 Hecuba’s daughter

One of the hardest things to convey in writing is tone. The same sentence can mean multiple different things depending on HOW it is spoken. I try to be as clear as possible with my writing but I am sure there are times I come across in a way I don’t mean to.

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:46:46am

Still on NC:

Charlie Pierce is giving that special election on Tuesday the side-eye:

… I have been assured by various figure filberts that I’m wrong to be concerned, but there was one group of precincts largely populated by Lumbee Native people that swung 24 points away from McCready compared to the first special-election last November. I wouldn’t even bring it up except that the North Carolina Republican Party used up any benefit of any doubt years ago.

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BigPapa  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:46:59am

re: #242 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m cool with all of that, agree strongly. Except this:

I hope you like pineapple on your children’s grave
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:51:09am

re: #245 retired cynic

Still on NC:

Charlie Pierce is giving that special election on Tuesday the side-eye:

I agree wholeheartedly. I am suspicious of any election in which Republicans have any control over voting.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:54:15am

re: #242 Hecuba’s daughter

A general comment over some of the discussion in this thread: Let’s be civil here even if we disagree strongly with positions taken by other lizards. There were a few times over the years when some lizards objected to one of my positions in a style that I thought was demeaning but I have learned even before joining this site that people (except for Trump supporters) often don’t realize how their language can be painful to others and don’t really intend to be cruel. We have enough problems to face in this new world without turning on each other.

I hope I didn’t come off defensive or condescending. I do feel that there doesn’t seem to be much understanding about why some of us do use certain platforms even if we see their ethical problems. Plus the Uber-Cab Driver is one I know a little bit of inside sports on.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:56:06am

We tried hard guys, just came up short in the end.

Link

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 8:58:12am

re: #249 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

We tried hard guys, just came up short in the end.

Link

Damn. Heartbreaker. In the end though you’re winning by being a great teacher rather than just a football coach but I know the heartbreak of sports too.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:00:30am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Damn. Heartbreaker. In the end though you’re winning by being a great teacher rather than just a football coach but I know the heartbreak of sports too.

Thanks.
I’m not one to usually post scores and updates, but I figured who our opponent was would connect here.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:01:37am

re: #249 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

We tried hard guys, just came up short in the end.

Link

Well, like the Cleveland Browns always say “There’s always next year”. :-)
//

Congrats on getting that far.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:03:47am

LIARS ALL THE WAY DOWN!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:11:10am

re: #249 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

We tried hard guys, just came up short in the end.

Link

Dagnummit!

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:15:33am

Wildlife Photo of the Year contest: some of these made me nauseous! Be warned of cannibalistic hippos!

thisiscolossal.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:18:49am

re: #255 retired cynic

Heh. Love the one with the Raccoon.

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plansbandc  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:19:52am

My new band name: The Cannibalistic Hippos!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:35:15am
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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:39:45am

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the hardest things to convey in writing is tone. The same sentence can mean multiple different things depending on HOW it is spoken. I try to be as clear as possible with my writing but I am sure there are times I come across in a way I don’t mean to.

this here. ^^

i remind myself of this from the play Six Characters in Search of an Author:

But don’t you see that the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.

and that notion was face-to-face talk.

add the written word and that most of us dont even know that much about each other….

so yeah - we’re smart enough. let’s be extra tolerant out there, in here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:40:55am

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

Love the replies on that. Things like this are where Twitter shines.

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CleverToad  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:42:02am

re: #156 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I logged in briefly before I go to bed. Denver is a long ways from here.

Okay, I will accept (since a bunch of people upvoted your comment) that I am a “purity pony” for posting snarky comments or informative tweets from Twitterati.

I see how others might think I am hypocritical for posting comments from other people, even though I have no account myself, and though I have resisted my own state government’s demand that as my village’s Public information Officer I refuse to open a Twitter or Facebook account.

I concede. I am a hypocrite.

Therefore, since I do not wish to be a hypocrite (and certainly not a “purity pony,” the definition of which seems to be ‘something I don’t like’), I will no longer look at people who post informative things there and especially not repost them here.

I despise hypocrisy, and if I am being called out as a hypocrite, I need to examine that and determine if that is true or if it is tone-policing.

I still ain’t using Uber. I don’t care for exploiting workers.

I’m off to Denver in the morning to have my car serviced after it was pummeled near to death by softball-size hail.

As such, I will be missing from here. I also need to take a break from political commentary here for a while. I don’t know whether that will be a few days or a few months, but the open despite for my position about Twitter and Uber makes me feel as though I am not welcome here.

I will still read, as this is an important place to learn things I cannot learn from my completely conservative controlled local media. I presume the commentary from a purity pony isn’t necessary though.

G’night y’all.

Anymouse, I hope you’re reading this.
The counter-argument you presented last night appears to be that participating in ‘evil’ is okay if you don’t actually pay for it. That’s a cheapskate fundie mooching somebody else’s Playboys while he complains about the sinful subscribers. As a moral position, it seemed a bit thin.

Re-posting tweets when you don’t have a Twitter account isn’t hypocritical. But yes, polishing your halo for not having one does sound mote and beamish from here.

That said, criticism of a particular behavior is not a blanket condemnation of a person. It does not mean you are unwelcome. I do not dislike you. I do not think that your contributions to this community are without value. It is difficult to convey tone in writing, so please accept that this is not being typed in an angry way. There are subjects where I have found your comments and behavior to other Lizards to be hurtful or infuriating. This is not one of them, this was just irritating at a point where my patience was running thin.

I will apologize in turn. I should refrain from commenting when I’m already edgy from events IRL and the constant onslaught of appalling news that has dominated this infrastructure week. I should not have echoed the phrase ‘purity pony’ since it has a weight of connotation that is out of proportion to the issue at hand.

Truly, without any sarcasm intended, I wish you a safe journey to Denver. Maybe we can connect one of these visits — conversations may be easier to conduct face-to-face than it is in writing, late at night. Tone of voice would be clearer at any rate.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:42:22am

re: #259 DangerMan

this here. ^^

i remind myself of this from the play Six Characters in Search of an Author:

and that notion was face-to-face talk.

add the written word and that most of us dont even know that much about each other….

so yeah - we’re smart enough. let’s be extra tolerant out there, in here.

I think that’s why I decided to let Lizards who use FB to add me. Not necessarily to have a face to the name but maybe to better know each a little better beyond the Lgf sphere. Still haven’t met anyone in person yet tho.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:43:20am

re: #261 CleverToad

Anymouse, I hope you’re reading this.
The counter-argument you presented last night appears to be that participating in ‘evil’ is okay if you don’t actually pay for it. That’s a cheapskate fundie mooching somebody else’s Playboys while he complains about the sinful subscribers. As a moral position, it seemed a bit thin.

Re-posting tweets when you don’t have a Twitter account isn’t hypocritical. But yes, polishing your halo for not having one does sound mote and beamish from here.

That said, criticism of a particular behavior is not a blanket condemnation of a person. It does not mean you are unwelcome. I do not dislike you. I do not think that your contributions to this community are without value. It is difficult to convey tone in writing, so please accept that this is not being typed in an angry way. There are subjects where I have found your comments and behavior to other Lizards to be hurtful or infuriating. This is not one of them, this was just irritating at a point where my patience was running thin.

I will apologize in turn. I should refrain from commenting when I’m already edgy from events IRL and the constant onslaught of appalling news that has dominated this infrastructure week. I should not have echoed the phrase ‘purity pony’ since it has a weight of connotation that is out of proportion to the issue at hand.

Truly, without any sarcasm intended, I wish you a safe journey to Denver. Maybe we can connect one of these visits — conversations may be easier to conduct face-to-face than it is in writing, late at night. Tone of voice would be clearer at any rate.

Very well stated.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:45:22am

re: #251 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Thanks.
I’m not one to usually post scores and updates, but I figured who our opponent was would connect here.

Absolutely. And no problem. I enjoy your teaching stories a lot. One of my college friends just began a new career as a middle school history teacher. I tbh find aspects of teaching intriguing but I like getting to people one on one like my youngest brother when he was young or my niece now.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:48:53am

re: #261 CleverToad

Very well written, you have a gift with words, and I have always been truly impressed with how you convey your ideas. My attempts are usually HULK SMASH on my mechanical keyboard.

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carey94tt  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:55:53am

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the hardest things to convey in writing is tone. The same sentence can mean multiple different things depending on HOW it is spoken. I try to be as clear as possible with my writing but I am sure there are times I come across in a way I don’t mean to.

This is especially true in texting to my wife. AMHIK.

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:55:57am

But remember that they can’t police neo-Nazis because otherwise GOP pols would get wrapped up by the algorithm….

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:56:50am

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

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CleverToad  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:58:06am

re: #265 Shropshire Slasher

I’m a writer (unpublished as yet) but I still find it difficult many times to find words that can convey my meaning clearly and dispassionately. Especially at midnight.

Snark is more fun.
Shall we argue about whether putting pineapple in salsa is more or less evil than applying it to pizza? Haven’t heard a good donnybrook on that lately…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 9:59:07am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

God, and I still have a crush on her, but my fantasy of sitting up in bed with her afterwards, smoking cigarettes and talking about authoritarian politics has almost totally dissipated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:00:20am

re: #269 CleverToad

I restrict my snarkiest and edgiest humor for the the handful of people who know me well and understand where I am coming from.

I keep my social media posts and comments fairly straightforward.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:00:55am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

As I wrote about here, sometimes people need to look up at the world. Sarah also seems to have missed the while Pelosi is Speaker of the House, she’s not the actual boss of all of the House Reps, they’re elected officials after all..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:02:20am

re: #272 Belafon

As I wrote about here, sometimes people need to look up at the world. Sarah also seems to have missed the while Pelosi is Speaker of the House, she’s not the actual boss of all of the House Reps, they’re elected officials after all..

Nancy has to think in terms of what is likely to work in Congress, which is only tangentially connected to the Real World.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:04:28am

I wonder if anyone has asked Sarah about the vote in the House Judiciary today?

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:04:52am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

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It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

Good grief!!! I thought she was smarter than that. To say things like that, she needs to show her work, as Stonekettle says.

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makeitstop  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:06:53am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

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It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

I loved her essay following election day. But I’ve watched her slowly escalate the rhetoric until I couldn’t help but eye-roll at a lot of her tweets.

She’s well down the worst-case-scenario road at this point, and she lost me a while back.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:08:15am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

God, and I still have a crush on her, but my fantasy of sitting up in bed with her afterwards, smoking cigarettes and talking about authoritarian politics has almost totally dissipated.

Who? Mensch or Kendzior? /

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:11:19am

Blast from the past song… which is 100% relevant these days…

Pink Floyd - Dogs Of War (Live)

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:11:38am

re: #269 CleverToad

I’m a writer (unpublished as yet) but I still find it difficult many times to find words that can convey my meaning clearly and dispassionately. Especially at midnight.

Snark is more fun.
Shall we argue about whether putting pineapple in salsa is more or less evil than applying it to pizza? Haven’t heard a good donnybrook on that lately…

way less evil

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plansbandc  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:11:48am
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CleverToad  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:12:16am

re: #251 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Thanks.
I’m not one to usually post scores and updates, but I figured who our opponent was would connect here.

Yep, that name rings a bell or two. Drat, sorry hear the score!
But much respect for you and your kids, and the values you’re passing on.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:15:25am

So, the GOP confab in Baltimore is bringing back Trump’s failed venture into football? Are you sure you don’t want a more on-the-nose pointer about how Trump fails at pretty much everything beyond real estate (and he needed bailouts there too) - inheriting your fortune and thinking you hit a homer for a GIDP with the bases loaded is something…

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:18:58am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

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It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

Nancy is “thwarting impeachment” because Nancy can math. Half the Dems (and one former Rep) isn’t nearly enough to impeach.

There’ll be hearings There’ll be an inquiry. And eventually…

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:20:03am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

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It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

When you focus on a single topic like Russian collusion for three years, it’s hard not to start seeing everything through a conspiratorial lens and assuming corruption and bad faith from leaders who don’t see things the way you do or take actions you think they should take.

It’s too easy for obsession to drive your thought processes off the rails.

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gocart mozart  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:26:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:29:34am

re: #277 lawhawk

Who? Mensch or Kendzior? /

Sarah.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:29:34am

I also think people need to take a good hard look at the vote totals in NC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:35:56am

JFC, what a moron

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:40:12am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a moron

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?Are we talking here of Rubio?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:41:31am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

In fact, my views on Venezuela, and especially Cuba, were far stronger than those of John Bolton. He was holding me back!

again, he cannot just let the guy go with a mention of “irreconcilable differences”, it has to be a matter of RIGHT vs WRONG, STRONG vs WEAK, LIBERAL vs CONSERVATIVE

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gocart mozart  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:41:39am
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lizardofid  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:41:41am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a moron

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Which one?

; )

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:43:27am

re: #289 Hecuba’s daughter

?Are we talking here of Rubio?

re: #292 lizardofid

Which one?

; )

trump is the moron

rubio is just today’s designated asskisser

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:47:19am

Lre: #291 gocart mozart

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Her father showed he cared more about his country club membership than his daughter. So bragging about this to delegitimize Dr. Ford is trash.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:47:48am

re: #291 gocart mozart

It’s not like dad’s don’t slut-shame their daughters.

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:47:49am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, what a moron

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Dude you couldn’t *articulate* your views on Venezuela and especially cuba

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:48:33am

re: #296 DangerMan

Dude you couldn’t *articulate* your views on Venezuela and especially cuba

He couldn’t find them on a map - sharpie or not.

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:49:00am

re: #295 Belafon

It’s not like dad’s don’t slut-shame their daughters.

Thanksgiving in *that* house…

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:51:46am

re: #295 Belafon

It’s not like dad’s don’t slut-shame their daughters.

Wasn’t it part of her testimony that she snuck out of the house, and couldn’t tell her parents because she’d get in trouble for even being at the party in the first place?

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:59:39am
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 12, 2019 • 10:59:56am

re: #26 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Manzanar two electric boogaloo

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Interesting Times  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:00:48am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

Well…my potentially unpopular opinion is that, given her downright eerie track record of being right about nearly everything, it’s far too soon to throw her under the bus. If there’s a mistake she’s making, it could simply be of the Hanlon’s Razor variety (attributing to malice/conspiracy what could just as easily be explained by old-school Dem obsession with long-dead procedural civility and perpetual fear of taking bold stances/effective messaging).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:00:54am

re: #299 sagehen

Wasn’t it part of her testimony that she snuck out of the house, and couldn’t tell her parents because she’d get in trouble for even being at the party in the first place?

My ex related how she got into a similar situation once in which she could not tell her parents what had happened because she was not supposed to be there in the first place.

But of course, her entire high school knew all the details…

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Interesting Times  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:06:39am

And Sarah Kendzior is far from the only one asking “WTF”:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:07:32am

My limited subscription to the Chicago Tribune provides only 4 papers a week but it does seem that the Tribune editorial board is afraid to express any real objection to Trump — so it focuses only on Chicago politics, with little said officially about Trump, though there are columnists who have strong opinions. The paper cannot do the right thing probably because it’s owned by RW nuts who are smart enough to realize that silence in Chicago is preferable to showing their true Sinclair-like nature. What a disgrace.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:08:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:09:32am

re: #304 Interesting Times

And Sarah Kendzior is far from the only one asking “WTF”:

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Pelosi’s reaction may reflect nothing more than that her new majority is based on red districts that voted blue and she is afraid of antagonizing them in 2020.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:10:45am

Bibi’s hateful rhetoric got Yitzhak Rabin killed 24 years ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:11:27am

re: #306 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Glad to see there is still some awesomeness in this country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:11:55am

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

Pelosi’s reaction may reflect nothing more than that her new majority is based on red districts that voted blue and she is afraid of antagonizing them in 2020.

It is a delicate balance for sure.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:13:28am

re: #268 lawhawk

When folks believe their own hype, bad things start to happen. Looks like it’s happened for Sarah Kendzior and those who follow her should pull out all the caveat emptors.

She’s running a new “theory” that Pelosi is on the Russian take courtesy of a payment to the DCCC from Russian mafia associates. And that’s why she’s thwarting impeachment.

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It’s as though she’s slipped and turned in to Louise Mensch.

The problem is that we expected oversight when we got our blue wave…..and the oversight didn’t happen. Everything was either slow walked or simply ignored. No hearings yet on Cohen and his claims of Trump corruption and pay offs and we have had MONTHS to do that. No hearings expanding on the Mueller report whichever Pelosi has let die on the vine. They text talking about an maybe sort impeachment investigation, but nothing really scheduled. This is not to what we voted for, and it was inevitable that some people would wonder if bad faith is involved. Jesus…it’s crossed my mind once or twice and I’m not a conspiracy type.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:15:37am

re: #304 Interesting Times

“Unless we have the facts”?

What is Pelosi smoking?

She’s still waiting on facts?

Has she not read the Mueller report? Did she not hear Michael Cohen’s testimony? Has she been asleep for the past 2 and a half years and missed all of Trump’s open racism and corruption?

The facts are in evidence for all who choose to see them. She cannot go there unless she has the votes. They need something so extreme that at least a sizable share of the the GOP has to turn on Trump or appear complicit.

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Interesting Times  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:15:41am

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

Pelosi’s reaction may reflect nothing more than that her new majority is based on red districts that voted blue and she is afraid of antagonizing them in 2020.

That’s what I mean by the fear of bold stances and effective messaging. When has mealymouthed, muddled messaging ever helped a candidate? The Dems who took red districts (e.g. Katie Porter) were also willing to take stands.

Everything I’ve ever observed re human nature says that even people who disagree with you are more likely to respect you when you hold fast to your principles as opposed to dithering. No one respects, admires, or roots for a ditherer, and American culture as a whole can’t process nuance. Fence-sitters/swing voters in particular are far more likely to gravitate toward strong personalities who channel their frustrations with the system.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:15:48am

re: #304 Interesting Times

And Sarah Kendzior is far from the only one asking “WTF”:

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This is why question are beings asked about Pelosi. Oversight is being stamped down while she tells us that trump is “self impeaching” whatever the fuck that is.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:16:15am

re: #308 DodgerFan1988

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Bibi’s hateful rhetoric got Yitzhak Rabin killed 24 years ago.

“The Israeli prime minister has denied writing the post.

In an interview with Kan Reshet Bet radio, Mr Netanyahu suggested that a staffer’s mistake was responsible.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:16:34am

re: #308 DodgerFan1988

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Bibi’s hateful rhetoric got Yitzhak Rabin killed 24 years ago.

Along with the Yugoslav Civil War which I took an interest in due to my grandfather’s family ties to the Balkans, the Rabin assassination and its aftermath and Gulf War I are my earliest memories of international events. I’m a little too young to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall and the USSR but I remember these.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:17:56am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The facts are there for all who choose to see them. She cannot go there unless she has the votes. They need something so extreme that at least a sizable share of the the GOP has to turn on Trump or appear complicit.

Make every fucking republican defend their NO vote.

The votes were not there for watergate either…..until they were.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:32:36am

re: #311 Scottish Dragon

Part of the problem here is that there are so many criminal acts and so many potential avenues for prosecution, that you can’t/shouldn’t do X because that could preclude Y, and Y might be faster but X is more comprehensive.

Impeachment is underway per Nadler. They’re doing the initial steps. They’ve been doing the due diligence, but where the Dem leadership has fallen short is that they are waiting for critical mass, but aren’t willing to help get us to critical mass by speaking consistently on this.

Cohen’s been interviewed by NY prosecutors, which is bad news for Trump. That’s state charges that are not pardonable by Trump.

Could Democrats be doing all this faster? Absolutely. I’m a fan of good and fast, rather than perfect and slow since the latter would result in Trump sticking around beyond 2020 (because he’s got a solid chance of reelection due to the same factors that got him in 2016).

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:35:00am

re: #291 gocart mozart

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Looks like things got uncomfortable for her father at the country club.

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MsJ  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:39:16am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:43:00am

re: #317 Scottish Dragon

Make every fucking republican defend their NO vote.

The votes were not there for watergate either…..until they were.

Watergate was an entirely different situation: The Democrats had control of the Senate and the GOP party including many moderates (i.e. Senators to the left of today’s typical Democrat). Today’s Senate GOP will sabotage any trial and the House GOP will sabotage the investigation — this was not true in the Nixon years.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:43:07am

QFT

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:46:39am

There was a time I would never have believed that an American political party would work so hard at shafting the citizens of this country.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:47:11am

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:47:12am
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Mike Lamb  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:52:06am

re: #173 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So, forced birth anti abortion extremists are now going on about ectopic pregnancies, claiming doctors should take a watch and wait approach, thinking that somehow there can be a good outcome with a live birth?

These people are out of their fucking minds.

Ectopic pregnancies are among the most dangerous conditions a woman might face. It can cause uncontrollable bleeding and death. Why take a watch and wait approach? Oh yeah, because a fetus (alive or dead) is more valued than a living woman. And with ectopic pregnancies, there’s no hope for a good outcome with a live birth.

You’d have a dead fetus and a dead woman.

The cruelty is the point. The control and loss of agency is the point.

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Any practicing doctor that even remotely endorses this approach should have his license suspended preemptively and permantently.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:53:22am

re: #325 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Federal prosecutors recommend Andrew McCabe be indicted

Trump gloat tweets coming in 3…2…1…

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:54:56am

re: #325 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Federal prosecutors recommend Andrew McCabe be indicted

Who are these federal prosecutors? I do not believe anything from the Trump Department of (In)Justice. Lawyers here, are they people you can trust?

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:56:58am

So I missed this yesterday, and it explains why there was so much talk about ectopic pregnancies yesterday in my timeline.

There just doesn’t seem to be any fucking point to any of this, is there? Republicans get a free veto for anything and are taken as the most godly trustworthy voices fucking ever, real facts are treated as the grandest of partisanship, and people will pay the price for it.

And there’s been complaints about Dems somehow ‘refusing’ to work the refs or complain about this kind of shit.

I mean….have they seen what happens every single time any remotely prominent Dem tries to actually call them out? Obama was pilloried by the entirety of the media for calling out Fox. Dems were crucified for not wanting to go onto Fox for a ‘debate’. Every time someone tries, it’s met with united contempt in a way that the GOP never receives, and even if Dems try to persist through it, they end up paying a price for it rather than successfully ‘working the refs’.

The entire fucking playing field is uneven and we’re never fucking allowed to use any strategy the GOP uses because only they’re allowed to do anything ever, they’re the only valid party in this country according to our political atmosphere, and no matter how valid the complaint we have is, it’ll always be met with contempt, derision, and calls of treason.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:57:47am

re: #328 Hecuba’s daughter

Barr’s DOJ is doing Trump’s bidding. They’re engaging in a politicization of the criminal justice system to go after political “enemies”.

At the same time, Trump continues seeing his Federalist/Heritage picked judicial nominees get rubber stamped to lifetime appointments to the federal judiciary. That’s even worse.

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 11:58:58am

re: #317 Scottish Dragon

Make every fucking republican defend their NO vote.

The votes were not there for watergate either…..until they were.

i think that’s where they’re going
a lot of this is about timing

and (purely speculating) i think there is far more private agreement/organization/orchestration than how it’s playing out in the media

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:02:38pm

re: #302 Interesting Times

I think it’s serious overreach on her part, and when you see nails all over the place, you automatically think hammer. And it harms her credibility on all the other stuff because she’s going down this particular rabbit hole.

I’ve been willing to let her stuff play out for a while now, but it looks like she’s gone where the facts/logic don’t follow.

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DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:04:41pm

re: #322 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

QFT
Republicans in North Carolina used a 9/11 memorial to trick Democrats into missing a key vote

i repeat from yesterday, an alternate headline:

“GOP launch sneak attack during 9/11 commemorations”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:08:17pm

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

There was a time I would never have believed that an American political party would work so hard at shafting the citizens of this country.

If my grandparents were still alive they would tell you why CIO organizers sang…”The G.O.P. Wants To F.U.C.K. Us”!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:08:29pm

re: #329 Citizen K

And we all laughed when Trump starting talking about “alternative facts”.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:09:35pm

re: #329 Citizen K

So I missed this yesterday, and it explains why there was so much talk about ectopic pregnancies yesterday in my timeline.

I mean….have they seen what happens every single time any remotely prominent Dem tries to actually call them out? Obama was pilloried by the entirety of the media for calling out Fox. Dems were crucified for not wanting to go onto Fox for a ‘debate’. Every time someone tries, it’s met with united contempt in a way that the GOP never receives, and even if Dems try to persist through it, they end up paying a price for it rather than successfully ‘working the refs’.

The entire fucking playing field is uneven and we’re never fucking allowed to use any strategy the GOP uses because only they’re allowed to do anything ever, they’re the only valid party in this country according to our political atmosphere, and no matter how valid the complaint we have is, it’ll always be met with contempt, derision, and calls of treason.

The problem is that Democrats don’t work the refs. We think they should act like adults, concerned citizens of the country, and do their jobs. And when they don’t, we get people like Beto and Pelosi (and others, they are just the most recent) say “Why aren’t you doing YOUR job?” And that hurts their feelings. Too many media people prefer to be told what to do, and the GOP does that.

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mmmirele  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:10:01pm

re: #165 Shropshire Slasher

I bet you didn’t know direct deposit works both ways.

I wonder what country the owners are now with all their millions?
news10.com

Qe7oXZpYHQ6SqC5l6YkNVbhM5Mkdc5tT6fbG9DXbXPI0JxKh4MPdKdIXynBYSvICizFv0AK6KE38UtF3MvianKvMV7HcBjexAA4+OvwzTL8M0dCEtVhLkfYXBTobbAg0Ng3Jv03DNcRgOOncAcLR0aBd5Yqr/towjKv/qDi/m3mHg1vjTEEY0eSiqU+A5C1n4fk1GmfdDKTibPwelWjH7ZfwnJmywpaLPTo3meNQLgCNFzd+nH3JG7cu+LuLTMKgXCh4WUFd1tH1nZvFFpvF8PpRJbakEn4o

Krebs on Security has a good analysis.

krebsonsecurity.com

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:10:07pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

And we all laughed when Trump starting talking about “alternative facts”.

The greatest fucking coup Trump ever had, outside of the actual presidency, was the co-opting of “fake news” from accurately describing false stories in service to him, to falsely smearing correct stories criticizing him.

And the media slavishly followed along by the nose, because only the GOP is ever deserving of the assumption of good faith.

339
Dread Pirate  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:11:38pm
340
Shropshire Slasher  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:12:28pm

re: #325 Eric The Fruit Bat

I am sure by tomorrow McCabe will be stating that there were threats against his life.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:14:58pm

re: #339 Dread Pirate

Countries spy on each other’s governments. It’s what they do, and not only do they, they would be stupid not to. And it doesn’t matter whether they’re your allies or not.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:16:32pm

re: #337 mmmirele

azWXI9GNpUeDbHnu6XNTfMEnSLkPmAyxfiI8ppYnUYYHS+dR1aR3j2WILyVe8+nQWY+jIqfOBRKkQBzcf9J2L5CmbDUqGERL0qEUq3L2TRwu0Bl9bohaxcS1ikXMRY5X2auH+JdqTbTPnRgP464g5HYT3O5pRLXamcsKWYF9WVXaNB6o7GuuR3ZziRXtBN0fjf3bxAEB8IoOMyS/upjwRLM6ZeeH7iG3GxoQRZdX8M33WTEbZlC1djD8qltjxqSEFl4KDYpNkuXvNsyBpt/ojPfOO+xAkjl4+291+6ptgWOJvD+vuiTk8nMryG0lQvs+ts5MSTRGSMi51CWg2dToyhw1Tl/gTrFFlVa4ssaGJuMaey7utgHsJmZxabJQ0zd+

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:18:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:26:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:30:07pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not all heroes wear capes.

Although a cape wearing seal would be pretty awesome.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:33:21pm

re: #341 Belafon

Countries spy on each other’s governments. It’s what they do, and not only do they, they would be stupid not to. And it doesn’t matter whether they’re your allies or not.

But I’d expect Israel to be more… covert? I’m seriously disappointed they’d do something this gang of incompetent malcontents could catch.

347
EPR-radar  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:33:28pm

re: #338 Citizen K

The greatest fucking coup Trump ever had, outside of the actual presidency, was the co-opting of “fake news” from accurately describing false stories in service to him, to falsely smearing correct stories criticizing him.

And the media slavishly followed along by the nose, because only the GOP is ever deserving of the assumption of good faith.

Yesterday I had the following unpleasant thought.

1) If Gore had won the presidency in 2000, and

2) If 9/11 had happened basically the same as it did in real life, and

3) If the same story of presidential/administration indifference to the AlQaida threat had come out after the fact

then we’d have at least the following

1) A Republican wins the presidency in 2004 and serves two terms. A Republican wins the presidency in 2012 and is reelected in 2016. There is universal agreement in the media, talking heads etc. that it will be decades before Democrats can be trusted with the presidency.

2) At least a 50% chance of Gore being impeached and removed from office before 2004 for incompetence.

It’s OK if (and only if) you are Republican is the fundamental rule of US politics. That’s the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

348
Florida Panhandler  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:33:55pm

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump gloat tweets coming in 3…2…1…

There is little chance this even making it to a Discovery phase. Here is likely what is going to happen instead.

1. Trump will claim victory and his justification for his “deep state” bullshit.

2. Any Discovery phase will mean Republican Congress members get indicted on various crimes, or get revealed as slimy sacks of shit that will hurt them in the next election. Trump himself may further be mired in legal woes after his defeat in 2020. A Plea Deal will happen instead where…

3. The case will quietly be dismissed as…

4. ..McCabe will receive a very quiet “job” consulting for for a wealthy GOP- aligned business entity -and we never hear about it ever again.

This is what is going to happen instead of Discovery and a public trial and the revealing of real scumbag goings-on by the Republican shit machine during the last election cycle. Count on it.

349
Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:38:33pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Yesterday I had the following unpleasant thought.

1) If Gore had won the presidency in 2000, and

2) If 9/11 had happened basically the same as it did in real life, and

3) If the same story of presidential/administration indifference to the AlQaida threat had come out after the fact

then we’d have at least the following

1) A Republican wins the presidency in 2004 and serves two terms. A Republican wins the presidency in 2012 and is reelected in 2016. There is universal agreement in the media, talking heads etc. that it will be decades before Democrats can be trusted with the presidency.

2) At least a 50% chance of Gore being impeached and removed from office before 2004 for incompetence.

It’s OK if (and only if) you are Republican is the fundamental rule of US politics. That’s the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Lets face it. If Al Gore had managed to listen to intelligence and take steps to prevent the 9/11 attacks, he’d still probably be under the shadow of impeachment for having ‘stolen’ the election.

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mmmirele  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:38:46pm

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then it was God’s will; at least she can be with her baby in Heaven!///

This assumes she and her embryo were predestined for salvation. Why yes, I know people who believe God sends embryos that fail to implant to hell. All for his glory.

Of course that is abominable horseshit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:39:07pm

re: #345 Eclectic Cyborg

Not all heroes wear capes.

Although a cape wearing seal would be pretty awesome.

352
DangerMan  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:42:53pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Yesterday I had the following unpleasant thought.

1) If Gore had won the presidency in 2000, and

2) If 9/11 had happened basically the same as it did in real life, and

3) If the same story of presidential/administration indifference to the AlQaida threat had come out after the fact

then we’d have at least the following

1) A Republican wins the presidency in 2004 and serves two terms. A Republican wins the presidency in 2012 and is reelected in 2016. There is universal agreement in the media, talking heads etc. that it will be decades before Democrats can be trusted with the presidency.

2) At least a 50% chance of Gore being impeached and removed from office before 2004 for incompetence.

It’s OK if (and only if) you are Republican is the fundamental rule of US politics. That’s the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

the other 800lb gorilla we can’t seem to get past the front door is that when dems register and vote, dems win

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:46:10pm

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Citizen K  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:51:55pm

re: #353 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

As a long time dog-lover and on-and-off dog owner, this is all too true. Their taste in food or personal spaces aside, they’re excellent judges of character. If someone cannot get a single dog to like them, they’re not to be trusted. Even my mom, who is scared of dogs and had to re-learn to be around them, had the instant adoration of almost every dog our family owned, much to her consternation.

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ckkatz  Sep 12, 2019 • 12:57:48pm

re: #332 lawhawk

I think it’s serious overreach on her part, and when you see nails all over the place, you automatically think hammer. And it harms her credibility on all the other stuff because she’s going down this particular rabbit hole.

I’ve been willing to let her stuff play out for a while now, but it looks like she’s gone where the facts/logic don’t follow.

This!

Dr Kendzior’s expertise is solid, but narrow. She specialized in the kleptocracies of the Former Soviet Union(FSU). She has been very effective in calling out the similarities between the FSU and the Trump Administration.

But she has not yet called out the differences. And, I think that is due to the current narrowness of her expertise. I have great faith that as she widens her knowledge and understanding, her views may modify.

Additionally, the reality show/psycho drama of the Trump Administration has exacted a psychic toll on a lot of people, including her. And I do hope that Trump is sanctioned for this.

I am writing up something on one additional point where I think she is correct and will post it shortly.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:08:52pm

Right wing spam, junk science/public health warning alert:

357
HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:21:10pm

re: #356 lawhawk

Right wing spam, junk science/public health warning alert:

[Embedded content]

Hannity is more Alex Jones than Alex Jones is at this point.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2019 • 1:24:27pm

re: #349 Citizen K

Lets face it. If Al Gore had managed to listen to intelligence and take steps to prevent the 9/11 attacks, he’d still probably be under the shadow of impeachment for having ‘stolen’ the election.

And they would have accused him of lying about the attacks ever being a possibility in the first place. They’d have pointed to Tom Clancy novels and that Lone Gunman episode and said he was just making it up.

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thecommodore  Sep 12, 2019 • 3:14:28pm


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