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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:06:15am

I have this mental image of a bunch giddy Trumpers rolling their Confederate Flag draped pickup trucks to the Southern Border, grabbing their metal penis replacements and becoming utterly shocked and pissed off that there is…no one there to shoot.

The U.S. / Mexico border is fucking huge and vast sections of it are almost completely empty of human presence. Trump would have us think the illegals are storming the gates like the Uruk-hai at the end of the Two Towers but that’s just not the case.

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:10:19am

From last thread:

re: #248 Barefoot Grin

This matches what I’m thinking about the McCabe GJ:

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So: [IANAL DISCLAIMER]: basically it seems like Barr’s DOJ has “recommended” indictment of Andrew McCabe for [???] but a real prosecutor/Grand Jury isn’t having any of it because they see it’s Trumpian political bullshit?

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Dave In Austin  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:11:34am
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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:15:57am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I have this mental image of a bunch giddy Trumpers rolling their Confederate Flag draped pickup trucks to the Southern Border, grabbing their metal penis replacements and becoming utterly shocked and pissed off that there is…no one there to shoot.

The U.S. / Mexico border is fucking huge and vast sections of it are almost completely empty of human presence. Trump would have us think the illegals are storming the gates like the Uruk-hai at the end of the Two Towers but that’s just not the case.

In fiscal year 2018, the government apprehended 400,000 people at the border. The border is 1954 miles long. Playing some averages, that’s about 1,096 people per day, or about one person, per day every two miles.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:17:02am
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:17:24am

From downstairs.

re: #211 Florida Panhandler

Ahh yess.. that horrible show with badass spaceships and dumb as fuck premise. Even a talent like Martin Landeau couldn’t save it from being utter dreck. Ever tried watching it now? Unwatchable.

The Eagle spaceships were still badass though. They could conceivably even work in real life- artificial gravity ignored of course.

Dragon’s Domain was freaking terrifying, though. Legit one of the most horrifying monsters I have ever seen on TV…still. Scared me to death as a kid and one of the few that still genuinely holds up.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:18:06am

Kurt has entered the Jim Jones phase of his gun cult freak trajectory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:19:32am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

they’ll have each other to shoot at…

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:21:03am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump continually repeats that he’s building a wall, and points to footage of contractors building steel fencing.

Except the reality is far more nuanced. They’re replacing Normandy barriers and short fencing with the monstrosity that Trump wants. It doesn’t improve our security or safety in the slightest, and anyone intent on coming in will still be able to use ropes and ladders to enter (or if they’re more determined, tunnels and blowtorches). Even those involved in this effort say that they aren’t building fencing across the entire border because it’s not needed - that tech can handle large swatches of desert where no one normally crosses.

This is all about fear mongering and preying on white nationalist fear of nonwhites coming in and that whites are a shrinking proportion of the nation’s demographic makeup. Purity of white blood and all that bulkshit.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:23:00am

re: #7 Scottish Dragon

Kurt has entered the Jim Jones phase of his gun cult freak trajectory.

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He needs to be red flagged; it looks like he’s planning a mass murder spree.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:24:33am

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m sure it has nothing to do with today’s date.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:25:56am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:26:46am

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He needs to be red flagged; it looks like he’s planning a mass murder spree.

80% of GOP voters should be red flagged.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:32:27am
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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:33:20am

re: #13 Dr. Matt

80% of GOP voters should be red flagged.

That’s their fear - they know that those laws, like the ones that flag bad actors on Twitter/Facebook for being goddamned Nazis, disproportionately fall to them because they are the problem.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:34:10am

re: #12 gocart mozart

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:35:45am

re: #16 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My response:

Basically, the conclusion is that the GOP controlled states drag down life expectancy rates in the US significantly. That’s due to a combination of awful health policies they enact, along with lax gun control laws.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:37:23am

For the love of Dog
The man is certifiably clueless

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:37:51am

re: #16 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So basically: “Fuck all those people who committed suicide because they couldn’t afford their medical bills!” ?

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:38:04am

about damned time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:39:43am

re: #20 Scottish Dragon

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about damned time.

Unfortunately ICE is a Federal entity. California may not be able to do this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:44:32am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately ICE is a Federal entity. California may not be able to do this.

I believe federal facilities are still required to meet state licensing requirements.
IRC that’s why Texas waived their requirements for the feds child detention camps

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:47:03am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Still bound by state regs, as noted above. They can’t stop ICE from operating, but they damned well can dictate where ICE holds people and under what conditions.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:51:00am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:51:42am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically: “Fuck all those people who committed suicide because they couldn’t afford their medical bills!” ?

GOP message in a nutshell.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:56:14am

re: #16 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jason Campbell
@JasonSCampbell
Ben Shapiro defends the US healthcare system, saying life expectancy is high “if you take away car accident deaths, and homicide, and suicide”

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11:48 AM - Sep 13, 2019

And, in any case, what support does he provide for that assertion? Just makes things up?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:58:12am

Nate Silver has Warren winning the debate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:58:28am

re: #23 Scottish Dragon

Still bound by state regs, as noted above. They can’t stop ICE from operating, but they damned well can dictate where ICE holds people and under what conditions.

It should be absolutely illegal to imprison anyone in any facility that is not a state institution; private prisons should be outlawed nationwide.

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DangerMan  Sep 13, 2019 • 11:59:01am

re: #16 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Ben Shapiro defends the US healthcare system, saying life expectancy is high “if you take away car accident deaths, and homicide, and suicide”

life expectancy is higher if you ignore a bunch of the ways people die

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:05:17pm

I am following this account now.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:07:33pm

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

From downstairs.

Dragon’s Domain was freaking terrifying, though. Legit one of the most horrifying monsters I have ever seen on TV…still. Scared me to death as a kid and one of the few that still genuinely holds up.

Yeah, the critter from that episode stuck with me; I saw it as a kid in re-runs.

Freaked me out too.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:08:56pm

re: #7 Scottish Dragon

Kurt has entered the Jim Jones phase of his gun cult freak trajectory.

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We should be so lucky. But they never get the order right. If they would only take themselves out of the gene pool and leave everyone else alone.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:09:51pm

re: #29 DangerMan

life expectancy is higher if you ignore a bunch of the ways people die

This reminds me of a similar assertion by my RW brother years ago: he claimed the life expectancy of whites was comparable to other countries. I thought that was an outrageous comparison; it should be based on life expectancy of all residents and there we were behind many other nations; and I suspect it wasn’t even true anyway.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:11:44pm
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uriel  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:13:06pm
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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:14:17pm

re: #20 Scottish Dragon

So, this week…

trump is asking for places where ICE can practice Urban Warfare.

trump threatens to round up all homeless people in California.

California bans detention centers amongst all the other things trump hates CA for.

I think he is planning on letting ICE thugs loose in CA to do very illegal things.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:16:38pm

re: #32 MsJ

We should be so lucky. But they never get the order right. If they would only take themselves out of the gene pool and leave everyone else alone.

But does he really mean any of this? So hard to tell whether someone is a true believer or a grifter. Look at Joe Walsh who now admits that his prior over-the-top rhetoric wasn’t really honest.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:18:43pm

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:20:23pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately ICE is a Federal entity. California may not be able to do this.

My reading of the article is that the bill prohibits county and city governments from doing business with ICE with respect to private prison projects. There would also likely be licensing issues for the private prison businesses.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:20:30pm

re: #37 Hecuba’s daughter

But does he really mean any of this? So hard to tell whether someone is a true believer or a grifter. Look at Joe Walsh who now admits that his prior over-the-top rhetoric wasn’t really honest.

I don’t know but put those two tweets together (i reported both of them) and it is a full out threat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:24:19pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

And, in any case, what support does he provide for that assertion? Just makes things up?

“High” is also a meaningless adjective. “Life expectancy is high” in isolation conveys no meaning, because it’s not compared to anything.

High compared to what? Not compared to countries like us.

Note also that this provides the perfect opportunity to say, “So you’re saying that our homicide and suicide rates - driven primarily by gun homicides and suicides - significantly reduces our overall life expectancy? Doesn’t that argue for reducing the number of available guns?”

And getting back to the comparisons, if he ever did them - which I strongly doubt - did he compare the US life expectancy with car accidents, homicides and suicides removed to the OVERALL life expectancy of other countries? I.e. “This apple is clearly closer to the ideal apple than this orange!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:34:47pm

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

This reminds me of a similar assertion by my RW brother years ago: he claimed the life expectancy of whites was comparable to other countries. I thought that was an outrageous comparison; it should be based on life expectancy of all residents and there we were behind many other nations; and I suspect it wasn’t even true anyway.

It’s the worst kind of cherrypicking - comparing a subset of Group A to ALL of Group B, even though they contain the same subsets. You can compare all of Group A to all of Group B. You can compare the subsets of Group A to all of Group A, or to each other. You can compare the same subset in both Groups to each other. But you can’t meaningfully compare a subset of one Group to the whole of another if they contain the same subsets.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:35:14pm

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

This reminds me of a similar assertion by my RW brother years ago: he claimed the life expectancy of whites was comparable to other countries. I thought that was an outrageous comparison; it should be based on life expectancy of all residents and there we were behind many other nations; and I suspect it wasn’t even true anyway.

Life expectancy of people with good insurance or their own money is excellent; if you factor in those 15% who until Obamacare had no coverage at all, and still have trouble affording their insulin or asthma meds or epi-pens or whatever, plus the maternal and infant mortality rates in jurisdictions that have closed the Planned Parenthood offices, plus the OD’s from opioid epidemic…. the overall national average looks a lot worse.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:39:56pm

Speaking of healthcare

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:41:19pm

I was having a conversation with a friend last night during the debate. She’s on board with the quick transition to a universal system. I’m still more in the medicare as market participant model. But one of the questions I had, and I’m wondering what some of you think about on this, is:

if we go to a Medicare for All, socialized medical insurance program, how do we determine what we pay doctors? Meaning, how do doctors in private practice make their businesses work? How do we ensure they are able to cover their overhead and pay nurses and staff a livable wage?

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DangerMan  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:41:53pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s the worst kind of cherrypicking - comparing a subset of Group A to ALL of Group B, even though they contain the same subsets. You can compare all of Group A to all of Group B. You can compare the subsets of Group A to all of Group A, or to each other. You can compare the same subset in both Groups to each other. But you can’t meaningfully compare a subset of one Group to the whole of another if they contain the same subsets.

well if youre gonna use logic and math ‘n stuff…

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DangerMan  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:43:24pm

re: #44 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of healthcare

House Republicans say they’ll run in 2020 on repealing Obamacare and reducing the debt they helped grow

helped grow’ is nonsense.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:45:59pm

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

This reminds me of a similar assertion by my RW brother years ago: he claimed the life expectancy of whites was comparable to other countries. I thought that was an outrageous comparison; it should be based on life expectancy of all residents and there we were behind many other nations; and I suspect it wasn’t even true anyway.

Your brother was literally making an argument for apartheid, that there’s no problem as long as the whites are doing OK.

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jeffreyw  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:48:57pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:49:56pm
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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:51:08pm

re: #35 uriel

Contra Sammy Hagar, apparently there’s more than one way to rock.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:52:57pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I was having a conversation with a friend last night during the debate. She’s on board with the quick transition to a universal system. I’m still more in the medicare as market participant model. But one of the questions I had, and I’m wondering what some of you think about on this, is:

if we go to a Medicare for All, socialized medical insurance program, how do we determine what we pay doctors? Meaning, how do doctors in private practice make their businesses work? How do we ensure they are able to cover their overhead and pay nurses and staff a livable wage?

They won’t starve on Medicare rates, which are higher than Medicaid rates. But it’s a moot point because Medicare for all can’t pass Congress anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:56:13pm

re: #49 jeffreyw

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“Behold, the wrath of the Monarch!”

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:57:52pm

So the dow is up less than 30 points even after China says it will lift pork and some ag products.

I am surprised.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 12:58:45pm

abcnews.go.com via @ABC

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:01:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:02:18pm

re: #45 KGxvi

if we go to a Medicare for All, socialized medical insurance program, how do we determine what we pay doctors? Meaning, how do doctors in private practice make their businesses work? How do we ensure they are able to cover their overhead and pay nurses and staff a livable wage?

Fuck if I know. It’s a massive planned economy problem and anybody who claims to know the answer is either the smartest person on the planet, deluded, or lying. The whiplash would be immense, you can’t just take a group of ego gassed professionals and force them to accept an entirely new market dynamic without allowing the most narcissistic (and sometimes genuinely talented) to opt for alternative high end markets like premium private insurance and concierge service.

re: #52 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They won’t starve on Medicare rates, which are higher than Medicaid rates. But it’s a moot point because Medicare for all can’t pass Congress anyway.

Congress is just the first hurdle, with the way Trump has packed the courts any meaningful change has to survive an entire gauntlet of right wing judges. It would have to be so perfectly designed and immediately, overwhelmingly popular that the entire Republican apparatus becomes terrified of overturning it. It’s Sisyphus and the Rock.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:02:40pm

re: #27 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Warren looks like the only one who had a change outside the margin of error. But the really interesting numbers are the likelihood of beating Trump. More people think Biden would absolutely lose to Trump after the debate than before. Sanders stayed the same, everyone else improved. Granted many fewer people thought Biden would absolutely lose to Trump than most of the other candidates, but that’s probably not something Biden’s camp wants to hear.

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plansbandc  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:03:12pm

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:03:51pm

re: #59 plansbandc

HAHAHA!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:06:35pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:06:49pm

re: #45 KGxvi

One of the problems with the buzz phrase “Medicare for all” is that many people have negative views of Medicare.

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

One issue that those who want easy answers overlooked is the size of the US and the disparity between regions. A specialist doctor working here in San Diego is going to make more money, and have higher costs, than say someone working in TN.

Now insurance companies have long tried to level the field by paying low standard rates… but that sort of side-steps the problem of getting enough medical professionals to work in the fields needed.

This is why rural areas don’t have sufficient specialists - because they literally can’t support (money) what is needed. Large metropolitan regions where there are millions of potential patients can support the existence of all kinds of specialists.

Candidates who promise easy fixes just are throwing out words in the hopes that they connect with the listeners. Trump is an expert at this.

But there are no really easy answers to the hard problems in life. Which is why they are called the hard problems in life.

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DangerMan  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:08:34pm

re: #50 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She’ll miss two shows of any weekly series she’s following.

wanna bet?

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:08:48pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really don’t know what to think about that. I mean, I want to give him props for calling the guy a dictator. But adding “favorite” to that is a bit weird. As is saying it out loud in a diplomatic setting.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:10:13pm

re: #59 plansbandc

PAN PAN PAN is a universal distress declaration as well.

Since the pancake looks like Michael Myers’s mask…..

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:11:38pm

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s also a hard problem because a whole lot of people are frightened by trying anything different.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:13:50pm

The reason we have skyrocketing deficits is because demagogues like Trump ignore reality. He just wants to give millions of dollars to his friends, and screw anybody else.

But if we want to really have improvement in healthcare in this country we have to answer some hard questions:

1) if the choice is to build another aircraft carrier, or to build 10 hospitals, which do we want?
2) If we significantly raise taxes, are we going to renegotiate international treaties on the flow of money, to keep people and corporations from sheltering trillions of dollars in offshore banking?
3) Are we going to have industries where it has long been known that their workers and the local residents suffer health problems as a side effect of the industry - petrochemicals in particular - keep avoiding from pricing the damage in their product? Are we going to tackle the socialism-for-corporations-but-not-for-people problem, in other words?

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:15:20pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I was having a conversation with a friend last night during the debate. She’s on board with the quick transition to a universal system. I’m still more in the medicare as market participant model. But one of the questions I had, and I’m wondering what some of you think about on this, is:

if we go to a Medicare for All, socialized medical insurance program, how do we determine what we pay doctors? Meaning, how do doctors in private practice make their businesses work? How do we ensure they are able to cover their overhead and pay nurses and staff a livable wage?

We currently have Medicare setting reimbursement rates. Insurers right now provide similar rates, which are negotiated, and are similar to the Medicare rates, but are usually higher because they don’t have the purchase power of Medicare. European health care providers get reimbursed to cover their costs, while out of pocket costs to the insured (the sick person) are minimized because taxes cover the costs.

It’s all about where/how the money is paid to cover health care costs and the sheer amount of waste in the US health care system. Does a doctor’s office need an army of insurance billing experts to decipher reimbursement rates and to track down patients to send collections agencies after them? Not in Germany, they don’t.

Doctors do well in Germany; paid out of the insurance sickness fund (NPR had a story going back a decade about how this works). There are no out-of-network doctors, since there’s no such thing as a network. You don’t get surprise bills. There might be some regional variation in the US due to size/scaling - the Northeast and CA might have higher rates than the South or Midwest, but that’s not much different than applying COLAs.

Another way to address coverage is to do superimposed coverage (employer-added coverages), so that specialized care is covered - like say for IVF, additional mental health, addiction, etc., is covered above and beyond the basic coverage allowed under the M4A plan.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:16:46pm

re: #67 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If we significantly raise taxes, are we going to renegotiate international treaties on the flow of money, to keep people and corporations from sheltering trillions of dollars in offshore banking?

How does Europe do it?

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:19:04pm

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Flip side is that we don’t have enough generalists and GPs, because the cost to become a doctor is seen as so high that doctors go into lucrative specialities to pay back the costs of their education - which can easily cost $250,000 or more for all school, not counting lost wage opportunities for that time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:20:55pm

re: #69 Belafon

How does Europe do it?

They are not particularly successful at it either.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:23:47pm

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are not particularly successful at it either.

There’s a lot of different models, that I know. Which ones have had the most success?

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:23:53pm

re: #69 Belafon

How does Europe do it?

There’s a reason that certain countries were/are considered tax havens. Ireland. The Caymans, etc., all were seen as being good places to park money to avoid tax consequences elsewhere (or in their home nation).

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mmmirele  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:26:45pm

re: #65 Eric The Fruit Bat

PAN PAN PAN is a universal distress declaration as well.

Since the pancake looks like Michael Myers’s mask…..

I don’t get the picture. I did think it was something to do with Friday the 13th the movies, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:33:45pm

re: #74 mmmirele

I don’t get the picture. I did think it was something to do with Friday the 13th the movies, though.

A big, big deal with some people. My son went as Jason last Hallowe’en

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:34:45pm

re: #69 Belafon

How does Europe do it?

Or Canada.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:34:47pm
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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:36:49pm

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My money is always on Jamie Lee Curtis, if not Sigourney Weaver. They are the true survivors.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:37:42pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Flip side is that we don’t have enough generalists and GPs, because the cost to become a doctor is seen as so high that doctors go into lucrative specialities to pay back the costs of their education - which can easily cost $250,000 or more for all school, not counting lost wage opportunities for that time.

A problem that can be solved by enacting debt free college.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:37:53pm

“And now his Watch is ended.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:39:05pm

re: #79 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A problem that can be solved by enacting debt free college.

It’s almost as if Socialism might work.
//

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:43:26pm

re: #67 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The reason we have skyrocketing deficits is because demagogues like Trump ignore reality. He just wants to give millions of dollars to his friends, and screw anybody else.

But if we want to really have improvement in healthcare in this country we have to answer some hard questions:

1) if the choice is to build another aircraft carrier, or to build 10 hospitals, which do we want?
2) If we significantly raise taxes, are we going to renegotiate international treaties on the flow of money, to keep people and corporations from sheltering trillions of dollars in offshore banking?
3) Are we going to have industries where it has long been known that their workers and the local residents suffer health problems as a side effect of the industry - petrochemicals in particular - keep avoiding from pricing the damage in their product? Are we going to tackle the socialism-for-corporations-but-not-for-people problem, in other words?

Notice when the GOP enacts it’s priorities of massive tax cuts for the wealthy, defense budget hikes or waging war on brown people, it never asks how to pay for it, it just does it. But before Democrats can help a single person in need, instead of killing them, we face this brick wall of resistance over funding.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:45:44pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s almost as if Socialism might work.
//

Socialism seems to work just fine for police and fire departments.

Property owners pay for them to exist. Tenants, homeless and tourists passing through don’t put up any of the money.

But the service is for everyone. When you call 911, nobody asks did you pay your membership fees. The level of service is in no way related to how much money you’ve contributed. Their only questions to you are “what’s your location?” and “what kind of help do you need?”

You don’t even have to tell them who you are to get them to come.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 1:56:20pm

CSpan represents

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:01:04pm

re: #83 sagehen

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:04:16pm

Hello?

Tried to edit no. 85, but blanking out

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:07:08pm

re: #86 Jay C

Hello?

Tried to edit no. 85, but blanking out

I just knew you mean to have something in there…

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:07:32pm

re: #83 sagehen

Socialism seems to work just fine for police and fire departments.

Property owners pay for them to exist. Tenants, homeless and tourists passing through don’t put up any of the money.

But the service is for everyone. When you call 911, nobody asks did you pay your membership fees. The level of service is in no way related to how much money you’ve contributed. Their only questions to you are “what’s your location?” and “what kind of help do you need?”

You don’t even have to tell them who you are to get them to come.

As a tenant or tourist, your share for police and fire departments is baked into your rent and hotel rates. So we’re all paying for it.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:08:27pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Notice when the GOP enacts it’s priorities of massive tax cuts for the wealthy, defense budget hikes or waging war on brown people, it never asks how to pay for it, it just does it. But before Democrats can help a single person in need, instead of killing them, we face this brick wall of resistance over funding.

Well that’s because GOP priorities pay for themselves.

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:11:20pm

re: #83 sagehen

But the service is for everyone. When you call 911, nobody asks did you pay your membership fees. The level of service is in no way related to how much money you’ve contributed.

For now. After another GOP Administration, I wouldn’t be so sure

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steve_davis  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:12:48pm

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, the critter from that episode stuck with me; I saw it as a kid in re-runs.

Freaked me out too.

the only creature that made me nervous as a child was the zombie from kolchack. remember when he had to fill the mouth with salt and then sew it shut…..and failed?

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steve_davis  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:15:46pm

re: #54 MsJ

So the dow is up less than 30 points even after China says it will lift pork and some ag products.

I am surprised.

american farmers have already permanently lost those markets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:16:48pm

re: #90 Jay C

For now. After another GOP Administration, I wouldn’t be so sure

Exactly. Remember a few years ago where a fire department let a house burn down because the homeowner hadn’t paid some fee?

They were at least nice enough to make sure no people or animals remained inside.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:18:04pm

re: #92 steve_davis

american farmers have already permanently lost those markets.

Yep. Why take a risk when you don’t have to?

This is what happens when the President is a volatile, knee jerk reactionary whack job.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:28:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:30:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:30:34pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Why take a risk when you don’t have to?

This is what happens when the President is a volatile, knee jerk reactionary whack job.

Or maybe he is doing the bidding of Putin to destroy our country. Remember Russia cannot become powerful, as China is doing, by growing their economy to be the most powerful in the world. Instead Russia becomes rich by comparison by damaging every one else and reducing their influence.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:30:50pm

Snort. Don forgot the promotion of
cannibalism, which is the other side of the Democrats’ proposed beef ban.
httpss://

Facebook Post

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:33:43pm

re: #95 jaunte

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Gee, no wonder the Sacklers were so accommodating in ginning up that “settlement” deal to “divest” from Purdue Pharma. (Though IIRC, they would have made out handsomely in any case). That extra billion slated away must be the “rainy-day” fund. (Hurricane Dorian level)…

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:35:05pm

re: #99 Jay C

Doesn’t the IRS frown on Swiss accounts? Maybe only for the plebes.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:36:13pm

I would bet the family accountants checked the ‘no foreign accounts’ box.

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EPR-radar  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:37:08pm

re: #95 jaunte

The Sacklers need to be bankrupted for real. None of this “We’ll hide most of the assets to set up a show of impoverishment” before the judgements come in like a ton of bricks.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:38:25pm

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“The Green New Deal Food Collective urges you to try their new Alferd Packer brand beef/pork/chicken free hot dogs at your next Bible-fueled cookout and virgin sacrifice. Available in barbecue, Bircher, and plain Republican flavors. Tasty and peculiarly satisfying!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:38:31pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

Or maybe he is doing the bidding of Putin to destroy our country. Remember Russia cannot become powerful, as China is doing, by growing their economy to be the most powerful in the world. Instead Russia becomes rich by comparison by damaging every one else and reducing their influence.

Mrs. FBW and I go round and round on this, with her suggesting Putin’s got dirt on Trump and on prominent Republicans so they do his bidding, and me countering that Putin doesn’t need to have anything on Trump because Trump is stupid and narcissistic with authoritarian longings, and the base of the GOP follows him with cultlike slavishness and will end the career of any GOP politician who crosses him.

I think it’s that she wants it to be Putin’s doing, because to think that we as a country did this to ourselves is too depressing.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:42:53pm
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danarchy  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:50:02pm

re: #65 Eric The Fruit Bat

PAN PAN PAN is a universal distress declaration as well.

Since the pancake looks like Michael Myers’s mask…..

Jason Voorhees not Michael Myers. Michael Myers wore a bleached William Shatner mask.

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DangerMan  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:51:10pm

re: #101 jaunte

I would bet the family accountants checked the ‘no foreign accounts’ box.

…signed under penalty of perjury

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:56:28pm

Narcos laundering their money.

“Already, these records have allowed the state to identify previously unknown shell companies that one of the Sackler defendants used to shift Purdue money through accounts around the world and then conceal it in at least two separate multimillion-dollar real estate investments back here in New York, sanitized [until now] of any readily detectable connections to the Sackler family,” wrote lawyer David E. Nachman from James’s office in a letter to the court, according to the Times.thehill.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:56:33pm
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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 2:57:12pm

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“The Green New Deal Food Collective urges you to try their new Alferd Packer brand beef/pork/chicken free hot dogs at your next Bible-fueled cookout and virgin sacrifice. Available in barbecue, Bircher, and plain Republican flavors. Tasty and peculiarly satisfying!”

Heh. Upding for Alferd Packer ref…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:00:19pm
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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:03:29pm

re: #108 jaunte

I wonder if any of those “multi-million-dollar real estate investments back here in New York” start with (a big, gold) “T” ??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:06:04pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:07:13pm

re: #112 Jay C

I wonder if any of those “multi-million-dollar real estate investments back here in New York” start with (a big, gold) “T” ??

Perhaps. One rational reason I can think of for this being unlikely is that Trump is too small-ball to launder money on the scale that the Sacklers need to do it to hide their assets.

But the best reason for this not being the case is that people like the Sacklers don’t get to be as rich as they are by including clown circuses like Trumpco in their crimes.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:09:44pm

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William Lewis  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:19:35pm

Oh HELL YES.

The Who (Pete & Roger at least) have a new album coming out and the first single just dropped… bluesy, swampy, and political as fuck.

THE WHO: ‘BALL AND CHAIN’ new song

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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:27:00pm

re: #83 sagehen

Socialism seems to work just fine for police and fire departments.

Property owners pay for them to exist. Tenants, homeless and tourists passing through don’t put up any of the money.

But the service is for everyone. When you call 911, nobody asks did you pay your membership fees. The level of service is in no way related to how much money you’ve contributed. Their only questions to you are “what’s your location?” and “what kind of help do you need?”

You don’t even have to tell them who you are to get them to come.

Depends on where you are.

There was a famous case here in TN back in 2010 where, in South Fulton, someone’s house burned to the ground with the local FD standing there watching because said homeowner hadn’t paid their yearly fire protection fees.

nbcnews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:29:02pm

meanwhile in Kentucky

BTW, I got a Bevin mailer yesterday where he claims to have protected retirements for teachers and state employees.

I’m sure that has got to be news for them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:31:09pm

re: #116 William Lewis

Oh HELL YES.

The Who (Pete & Roger at least) have a new album coming out and the first single just dropped… bluesy, swampy, and political as fuck.

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Video

Great tune and video. Nice to know there’s some still good rock music being made in 2019.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:31:19pm

The “my words were misunderstood/get out of jail” free card.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:32:03pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky

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BTW, I got a Bevin mailer yesterday where he claims to protected retirements for teachers and state employees.

I’m sure that has got to be news for them.

Is he sending out flyers with his endorsement from Kim Davis?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:32:25pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

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The “my words were misunderstood/get out of jail” free card.

Translation: “I wanted to see how this would go over and it didn’t go over well.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:34:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:35:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:36:10pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

This isn’t a new thing.

Some of the companies Andy Fastow created to prop up Enron before it all came crashing down were named after Star Wars characters.

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thecommodore  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:38:44pm

Sometimes I think Barr needs to go more than Trump, because Barr believes that the President is above the law.

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uriel  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:40:52pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

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The “my words were misunderstood/get out of jail” free card.

Well, to be fair, I’m sure it was extremely painful for her to take even that mealy mouthed, bare minimum step of addressing us plebeians at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:43:11pm

CNN analyst Bakari Sellers’ baby daughter receives liver transplant, ending months of waiting

A CNN commentator’s 8-month-old baby is on the road to recovery after receiving a liver transplant less than two weeks ago at Duke University Hospital.
Bakari Sellers’ daughter Sadie was born in January with a rare liver condition that placed her on the transplant list for three months, Sellers said Thursday morning on CNN’s “New Day.”
“She’s doing well. She kept me up last night,” Sellers said. “She is coming back to life and showing us those glimmers in her eyes. We are just happy to be at Duke. Happy to have the care that we got. We’re just very thankful at this time and very thankful to the donor’s family who saved our daughter’s life and many lives as well.”
Sadie was born with biliary atresia, a condition in infants in which the bile ducts outside and inside the liver are scarred and blocked, according to the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK). The disease affects roughly 1 out of every 12,000 infants in the US, the NIDDK added. Sadie’s twin brother Stokely does not suffer from the disease.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:44:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:49:14pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 13, 2019 • 3:53:31pm

TRANSLATION FROM TRUMPENESE: Everybody is depressed as shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:12:02pm

moron

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jeffreyw  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:17:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:18:21pm

re: #115 The Pie Overlord!

/R3itacap/eP/eTNiN64VHOaPOvMzLcZBhvB6Y9kwFtUYfHpsT+XUiFPq1uZEbW0c9voJhTuGrofBdm49SCDow==

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:18:29pm

The government is speaking in weasel words.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:19:08pm

re: #131 The Pie Overlord!

TRANSLATION FROM TRUMPENESE: Everybody is depressed as shit.

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“Daily flogging will continue until morale improves.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:21:21pm

HOLY FUCK! FORTY YEARS?

That must mean I’m….old.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:24:22pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

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HOLY FUCK! FORTY YEARS?

That must mean I’m….old.

Spent the better part of fifteen years cycling the roads around Bloomington. (And witnessed a near-tragedy at the “quarry.”)

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John Hughes  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:25:01pm

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are not particularly successful at it either.

EU average: 3.05 physicians/1000 pop
US: 2.3/1000 pop

nationmaster.com

Old figures (2002) but the first I could find.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:29:58pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

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HOLY FUCK! FORTY YEARS?

That must mean I’m….old.

“Remember to punch the clock!”

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:33:33pm
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plansbandc  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:37:17pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

Damn.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:39:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:40:50pm

re: #143 MsJ

Gross.

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For the love of god, WHY?!?

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:48:17pm

re: #143 MsJ

Apparently discontinued.
burnettsvodka.com

I guess vodka drinkers agreed.

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William Lewis  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:49:20pm

re: #143 MsJ

Gross.

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I beg of thee, my Lord, on bended knee, please let that spawn of satan be naught but of ye ol Photoshop…

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:50:23pm
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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:50:35pm

re: #143 MsJ

Gross.

re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White

For the love of god, WHY?!?

I’m at work and can’t see the contents of the tweet; what is it?

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:50:55pm

Although there is still a whipped cream vodka flavor, for some reason.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:55:34pm

re: #146 William Lewis

I beg of thee, my Lord, on bended knee, please let that spawn of satan be naught but of ye ol Photoshop…

Alas. For them.

re: #145 jaunte

Apparently discontinued.
burnettsvodka.com

I guess vodka drinkers agreed.

The buying public agreed.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:56:31pm
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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:56:56pm

re: #148 TedStriker

I’m at work and can’t see the contents of the tweet; what is it?

Pumpkin spice vodka. 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2019 • 4:58:03pm

re: #152 MsJ

Pumpkin spice vodka. 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:05:26pm
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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:11:21pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:12:19pm

re: #151 Dread Pirate

I assume this will be ignored just like all the other ones have.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:13:46pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

I assume this will be ignored just like all the other ones have.

Barr is more corrupt than trump. That’s quite a feat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:15:08pm

re: #155 jaunte

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heard it in Kentucky and that was even somewhat shocking to some of us here.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:16:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:18:50pm

Fortified Hill is a 2,000-year-old earthwork built by the Hopewell Tribe. The hilltop enclosure is thought to be a ceremonial site where members would come to worship.

The owner of the land, who passed away, registered the property to be a historical site in the ’70s. After passing, Dr. Jeff Leipzig, a community activist, said they ran into a problem.

“Lou and his wife Donna knew this site was here and they wanted this to be a special place. The only difficulty was he didn’t put it in his will that he wanted to turn it into a special place,” said Leipzig.

Fortified Hill is up for auction on Sept. 28. The Archaeological Conservancy and community members in Hamilton hope to raise $400,000 in pledge money to acquire the land. If they are unsuccessful, it is a missed opportunity to preserve and learn more about Hopewell land.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:23:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:24:03pm
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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:25:12pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

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I wonder what was their explanation for black people also hated George Bush (those of us with brains understand that it was because 1) Florida 2000 voting roll purges and 2) Katrina — but I’m guessing these particular women wouldn’t consider that)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:26:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:28:28pm
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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:30:11pm

re: #157 MsJ

Barr is more corrupt than trump. That’s quite a feat.

Barr brings the competence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:31:19pm
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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:31:47pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pence is trying to practice his bald-faced lying so he can be like his daddy.

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uriel  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:31:54pm

re: #149 jaunte

Although there is still a whipped cream vodka flavor, for some reason.

‘Cause it’s tasty?

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:33:25pm
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jaunte  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:34:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:40:52pm
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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:42:42pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:43:37pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:45:30pm

re: #174 gocart mozart

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We could tell who my brother had been with because he would act like them.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:46:46pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:50:35pm
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retired cynic  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:51:59pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perfect!

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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:53:43pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a lie! Undocumented make things happen, pay taxes, and You Mr. President build towers with them, run golf courses with them, made wine with them….It doesn’t cost America what you say! Actually we are all richer because them….and it’s wrong! Without them economy collapse!

— José Andrés (@chefjoseandres) September 14, 2019

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:58:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 5:59:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:00:26pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:01:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:07:44pm

re: #183 gocart mozart

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:14:25pm
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retired cynic  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:16:36pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I get my hopes up so easily!

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:19:54pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:26:40pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:27:47pm
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A Mom Anon  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:30:31pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Please let them win. The good guys need some wins, big public ones. Please….

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retired cynic  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:31:01pm

re: #190 A Mom Anon

Please let them win. The good guys need some wins, big public ones. Please….

+ a bunch

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:35:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:37:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:38:27pm
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retired cynic  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:40:25pm

Getting some good news out of the courts today!

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:43:01pm

re: #190 A Mom Anon

Please let them win. The good guys need some wins, big public ones. Please….

Not holding my breath here. Fox got sued by and for firing their “talent” (two people) in Florida when they, the talent, told the truth (something about Monsanto) and Fox won. They’re Entertainment. Truth doesn’t matter.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:43:39pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:45:39pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:47:49pm
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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:51:04pm

re: #199 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t know her, but her pinned tweet made me laugh:

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:51:18pm

JFC, these people!

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:52:13pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:55:12pm

Remember, the Claremont Institute is one of the first places to employ Chucky “Rage Furby” Johnson.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:55:57pm

And this looks important:

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 6:58:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:02:17pm

niterz, lizardz

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:03:11pm
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Jay C  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:03:59pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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niterz, lizardz

Sorry, that possum is definitely planning something evil….

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:05:06pm

re: #208 Jay C

Sorry, that possum is definitely planning something evil….

Or… Patiently waiting for something.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:05:16pm
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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:06:27pm

re: #126 thecommodore

Sometimes I think Barr needs to go more than Trump, because Barr believes that the President is above the law.

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He’s doing that so he can tell Trump he’s not being impeached.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:08:27pm
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:12:04pm

re: #52 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Doctors do okay here in Canada. Although what we have is single payer healthcare rather than Medicare-for-all. Essentially the provinces set up an insurance company and all billing goes to it. The federal government sets the standards and splits the bill with the provinces.

This allows doctors to make good money, and lead a better life.

First, all bills are paid without argument. Doctor submits their claim and it is paid. No muss, no fuss.

I have an uncle who is a lawyer. He was a lawyer before we had public healthcare. A fair number of doctors went to see him with a sheaf of unpaid bills and asking him what to do about it. “Hire a collection agency,” was the only advice he could give.

Doctors also have less overhead as they don’t need to hire a bunch of assistants to wheedle insurance companies.

Quality of life is better because doctors don’t have to spend as much time begging to be paid by insurance companies. They can work 35 hour weeks if they want and still live well.

There are a couple of articles here and here explaining the differences between American healthcare (Pre ACA) and Canada’s healthcare.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:12:06pm

re: #212 Dread Pirate

The year is 2142. Republicans are still running on repealing Obamacare. They still do not have a replacement plan.

There’s still Republicans in 2142? You’re making me sad.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:20:21pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:22:34pm

re: #213 Romantic Heretic

I was going to say “Isn’t M4A just a rebranding of single payer” but that looks more like Medicaid for all. The states operate Medicaid with Fed assistence.

Doctors do okay here in Canada. Although what we have is single payer healthcare rather than Medicare-for-all. Essentially the provinces set up an insurance company and all billing goes to it. The federal government sets the standards and splits the bill with the provinces.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:22:58pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

“And now his Watch is ended.”

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My first thought looking at that picture was, “Always keep the vents and fans of your hard drives clean.”

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:23:06pm

re: #207 Ace-o-aces

Britain really doesn’t need its own Ayn Rand.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:28:20pm

In San Francisco news. My daughter will be delayed on her return flight.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:31:54pm
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plansbandc  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:38:31pm

So an update to an earlier report: The white supremacist sticker that was in one of my walking parks is now gone. Walked there last night and it was gone, at last.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:41:38pm

Don’t know who this person is, but imagine this happening to you:

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:43:53pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:48:38pm

re: #223 gocart mozart

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They’re traitors, their supporters are collaborators, they must be dealt with accordingly.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 13, 2019 • 7:52:39pm

re: #216 gocart mozart

From what I understand of the American system I think that would be a good comparison.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2019 • 8:00:50pm

WOW! My number one, favorite most-wanted copy of any World War II book has come on the market.

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