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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 4:54:00pm

Thank you Charles for including us Classical lovers in your music selections! This is a beautiful piece.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:00:04pm

he’s on a tear today

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:02:14pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:02:16pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s on a tear today

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:06:08pm
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Cheechako  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:12:45pm

Saw a news report yesterday stating the US had killed Bin Laden’s son in an air attack in Afghanistan.

How come trump hasn’t tweeted about how he’s a mighty warrior? Better than that other guy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:15:10pm

re: #6 Cheechako

Saw a news report yesterday stating the US had killed Bin Laden’s son in an air attack in Afghanistan.

How come trump hasn’t tweeted about how he’s a mighty warrior? Better than that other guy.

Because Brett Kavanaugh is more important, apparently.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:18:07pm

Ric Ocasek died and I’m sad.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:18:36pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Ric Ocasek died and I’m sad.

To absent friends. Slainte.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:19:29pm
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BigPapa  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:25:26pm

Since You’re Gone is timeless prob my fave.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:27:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:29:45pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So sorry to hear that. May he R.I.P.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:33:01pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Ric Ocasek died and I’m sad.

Well, when I get home from work I am going to pour a huge mug of wine from the box, turn on the stereo and my amp, and sing and play along as much as I can to the first album. For now here’s this…

THE CARS ― MOVING IN STEREO / ALL MIXED UP (1978)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:34:38pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Ric Ocasek died and I’m sad.

We are at that age when this is gonna happen a lot.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:34:43pm

re: #15 William Lewis

Well, when I get home from work I am going to pour a huge mug of wine from the box, turn on the stereo and my amp, and sing and play along as much as I can to the first album. For now here’s this…

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Video

My favorite Cars song of them all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:38:51pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

We are at that age when this is gonna happen a lot.

Hell, we lost Eddie Money last week.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:41:41pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Hell, we lost Eddie Money last week.

Both of them born in 1949, the same year as my dad, who’s still alive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:44:15pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

We are at that age when this is gonna happen a lot.

mebbe we need one of those tontine bottles.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:45:10pm

Um, er… chemtrail?

comedywildlifephoto.com

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:46:05pm

There is always a Tweet.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:48:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:49:04pm

wayback machine:

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:50:38pm
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mmmirele  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:54:56pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Ric Ocasek died and I’m sad.

So am I! When I was at UT Austin beginning in 1980, there was a media lab in the Undergraduate Library. You were supposed to request coursework (like Spanish records) but they also had a great collection of popular music. You could request a whole album to be played and I used to request The Cars every time I was up there. And a lot of the times the whole album would be played.

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn! My favorite band of my college years~!

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:58:15pm

This li’l punk-ass bitch crybaby

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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:59:26pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Easton never wasted a note. I always got the feeling that he had his solos worked to the note before ever going in to record them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 15, 2019 • 5:59:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:03:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:04:58pm

re: #28 makeitstop

Easton never wasted a note. I always got the feeling that he had his solos worked to the note before ever going in to record them.

And some of those licks are incredibly hard to play. I know, I’ve tried.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:07:38pm

The lick that ends the solo in You Might Think is one. He actually bends a string to walk through a diatonic scale. Fast. That is not easy to get perfect.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:08:51pm

re: #28 makeitstop

Easton never wasted a note. I always got the feeling that he had his solos worked to the note before ever going in to record them.

I’ve heard of The Cars as being described their greatest hits album and it’s certainly the first half of one due to they synergy between Easton and Ocasek.

I can count the albums with no bad tracks on one hand. The Cars is one of those five.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:08:52pm
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makeitstop  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:09:40pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

And some of those licks are incredibly hard to play. I know, I’ve tried.

Same.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:09:57pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

And some of those licks are incredibly hard to play. I know, I’ve tried.

I can barely play SOME of the rhythm parts. I can’t imagine trying to play his leads.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:17:53pm
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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:19:44pm

From Anne Laurie, the Massachusetts’ Democratic party convention was yesterday and Warren spoke. A couple of interesting tweets she found:

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:23:36pm
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DangerMan  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:24:11pm

I’m 61
still got my mom at 90.5

Mrs dm is 61
still has her mom at 90

….moms

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:28:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:29:09pm

re: #41 DangerMan

I’m 61
still got my mom at 90.5

Mrs dm is 61
still has her mom at 90

….moms

Both my parents are 66.

And I have one grandparent left, she’s 92.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:34:06pm

re: #41 DangerMan

I’m 61
still got my mom at 90.5

Mrs dm is 61
still has her mom at 90

….moms

I’m 49. My dad just turned 70, and my mom just turned 69.

My grandmothers outlived their husbands by a long stretch, but one was 81 when she died and the other died at 86.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:34:26pm

Ric Ocasek produced Bad Religion’s album “The Gray Race.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:36:14pm

re: #44 Belafon

I’m 49. My dad just turned 70, and my mom just turned 69.

My grandmothers outlived their husbands by a long stretch, but one was 81 when she died and the other died at 86.

Mrs. Fish is 32. Her parents are 78. For comparison, my mom (my elder parent) just turned 61.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:38:42pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Both my parents are 66.

And I have one grandparent left, she’s 92.

In my family, our generation is the oldest generation now. :-( The oldest cousins are in their 80’s, the youngest are in their 50’s, I’m 72 and my siblings are still in their 60’s.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:40:56pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:42:45pm

One of my early memories of my family road tripping to visit relatives in the midwest was The Cars. We listened to the Greatest Hits cassette tape to death. It was the one tape in the vehicle which everyone in the car could agree on. One time we drove to New Mexico to visit some of my parents’ friends, it was the only tape in the car. We listened to it over and over again for several hours.

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plansbandc  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:43:09pm

Ric Ocasec has died and that breaks my musical heart completely. Fuck.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:43:34pm
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BigPapa  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:52:18pm

No, Charles. Not creepy at all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 6:56:48pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Well at least they’re not like Zardoz spitting out a lot of guns…

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:03:11pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

I think Gravity Falls, one of the not-your-average-Disney cartoons that Disney showed, borrowed from this:

Head with Arm
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mmmirele  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:03:21pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Shigeru Mizuki (d. 2015) was THE GUY who catalogued Japan’s spirits, monsters, etc. in manga format. He also did a well-praised Japanese manga history of the Showa era.

tor.com

Lots of articles in English about him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:04:25pm

The Most Racist Cartoon Ever Made features a naked clown being chased by the disembodied head of Louis Armstrong.
In spoiler tags because it’s The Most Racist Cartoon Ever Made. but at the same time Louis Armstrong got paid for this gig.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:05:43pm

Last month, the anti-abortion group Live Action posted a video to the Facebook page of its founder Lila Rose, claiming abortion was never medically necessary, and Facebook asked the fact-checking site Health Feedback to review it. Health Feedback reached out to us as medical professionals, and we both commented that the video was inaccurate.

What happened next seems less shocking in an era when politicians routinely dismiss fact as fiction: Republican Sens. Josh Hawley (Mo.), Ted Cruz (Tex.), Kevin Cramer (N.D.), and Mike Braun (Ind.) sent a letter to Facebook complaining that the fact-check was biased, and Facebook responded by removing our assessment. Rose’s inaccurate video remains posted.

Neither of us is interested in having a shouting match with Lila Rose or Republican senators or any other advocate making claims about when abortion should or should not be performed. This is a question about the practice of medicine and the real-life needs of patients, and those with medical expertise are the ones best suited to answer it. When every major medical group agrees that abortion is sometimes medically necessary, it’s time to recognize that as fact.

More here: dailykos.com

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:08:43pm

re: #57 Belafon

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More here: dailykos.com

Gah. I’m not on Facebook, and I know I miss out on some useful information/social interaction from time to time. Every time I think about joining, something like this comes along and I’m safe from temptation for another few weeks or months.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:09:49pm
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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:10:31pm

re: #58 calochortus

Gah. I’m not on Facebook, and I know I miss out on some useful information/social interaction from time to time. Every time I think about joining, something like this comes along and I’m safe from temptation for another few weeks or months.

The problem, though, are the millions on it who receive the original information, don’t get the rebuttal, and don’t hear from people who will rebut it.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:11:47pm

re: #60 Belafon

The problem, though, are the millions on it who receive the original information, don’t get the rebuttal, and don’t hear from people who will rebut it.

Of course. But at least I’m not there. ;)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:15:20pm

re: #57 Belafon

…as long as it’s Republican talking points!
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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:22:54pm

Ric Ocasek was such a valuable friend to punk rock. He produced the Bad Brains album “Rock for Light.”

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:27:58pm

Of course legends are by definition rarely the young in any art. So yes the talents and personalities that we loved most (often from a younger place in our lives) back in the day are passing. Yet I’m encouraged too. All I gotta do is look at contemporary artists and the difference they are making on the path to legendary status legit af. I miss those absent friends. And oh damn the mentors that pass. That hits hard right?

Seasons of life.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:30:25pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

Of course legends are by definition rarely the young in any art. So yes the talents and personalities that we loved most (often from a younger place in our lives) back in the day are passing. Yet I’m encouraged too. All I gotta do is look at contemporary artists and the difference they are making on the path to legendary status legit af. I miss those absent friends. And oh damn the mentors that pass. That hits hard right?

Seasons of life.

Now just wait till number three, they always go in threes right?

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:40:05pm

I’m not superstitious in the slightest. Yet, three weird coincidences happened to me when I drove to Tulsa to see Umphrey’s McGee perform at Cain’s Ballroom. The first time I did that Levon Helm died that day. The second time I did that Prince died that day. The third time I did that, last year, my friend I’ve known since the 3rd grade committed suicide.

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:41:40pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

That is truly weird.

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calochortus  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:42:31pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

I’m not superstitious either, but maybe you should avoid driving to Tulsa. Just in case.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:44:21pm

re: #68 calochortus

If I can make it happen and they’re playing in Tulsa I won’t say no. UM is a once-in-a-generation band that has ruined my life for the better.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:45:01pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

Occasionally my upbringing kicks in, and I kind of hope there’s more than randomness, that something drives everything. But it’s always good to remember that it only takes about 23 people for the probability that two of them to have the same birthday be greater than 50%.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 7:47:42pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:04:28pm

Guess I’m showing my age but the first set of celebrity deaths I was aware of were in 1963-64 when Eddie Cantor, Stan Laurel, Gracie Allen and Harpo Marx all died within a couple months of each other.

Mom and Dad were really depressed when JFK was assassinated. Thanksgiving was the next week and nobody felt like having the traditional dinner. Mom just popped Swanson dinners in the oven that time and we just didn’t feel like talking at the table at all.

Then Dr. King and Bobby were killed and boy Mom got the blues. She said it was like a 1-2 punch.

Then there was that sad time 69-70 when Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison all died one after the other. Felt like that was when the 60s died.

After Nixon got re-elected Truman and LBJ died within a couple weeks of each other.

And on the job I got the calls that Gene Roddenberry and later Irwin Allen both passed within a short time. Felt like a big chunk of my childhood just dissolved…

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:09:35pm

Which celebrity death affected you the most?

For me it was JFK. I was 13 at the time. School had just let out for the day and there was a huge crowd of kids standing in the hallway. The principal was shouting YES THE PRESIDENT WAS SHOT! HE’S DEAD! NOW GO HOME!!

Some of the kids started crying.

I ran all the way home.

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:12:03pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

I was in high school, and it came over the loudspeaker, saying he was shot, and we were all just in shock. Then later came the word that he was dead. I don’t even remember if we went home then or not; just pure shock. That wasn’t supposed to happen in the USA!

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:17:09pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

Which celebrity death affected you the most?

I’ll be honest. Kurt Cobain. I had found myself listening to his music, I was led down an exciting musical path and he made me feel alive. Then he killed himself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:18:33pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

I’ll be honest. Kurt Cobain. I had found myself listening to his music, I was led down an exciting musical path and he made me feel alive. Then he killed himself.

I feel you on this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:18:48pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

Yes I remember that sad day. 3rd grade class. We were watching an educational program on WQED in Pittsburgh, it was a spelling bee. We were spelling the words that the instructor was saying then all of a sudden the tv instructor said that there was a news bulletin. The screen went blank. An announcer said that either JFK or LBJ had been shot and they said Jackie was covered in blood but they didn’t know if she was shot.

The principal came in and turned the channel to KDKA (CBS) in Pittsburgh. We saw Walter Cronkite doing his best to find out what was going on…then he did his best to hold back his tears as he said JFK had passed. We were told to go ahead home and Frank the janitor lowered the flag to half staff as we left. I rushed home. Mom just cried…

Then Mom and I watched as Oswald was coming out of the police station. Mom was on the phone with a friend and said she hoped someone would kill Oswald. Right after that, Ruby shot him. Mom yelled, “OMG He’s been shot!”

We were both stunned…

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:19:57pm

re: #74 retired cynic

I was in high school, and it came over the loudspeaker, saying he was shot, and we were all just in shock. Then later came the word that he was dead. I don’t even remember if we went home then or not; just pure shock. That wasn’t supposed to happen in the USA!

But actually, RFK bothered me the most. I was old enough to really follow politics and government by then, and he spoke to me. Then, instead of looking forward, we got Nixon. It’s like we were looking forward with Obama, and then BAM!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:23:19pm

Now more memories. Mom and Dad loved Mario Lanza and Nat King Cole. They played their records a lot. Both of them really were affected when these two greats passed.

For me, it was when Frank Zappa died. He had been my muse ever since I first heard Freak Out in 1966. Freak Out was the first LP I ever bought and I had to hide it in my bedroom since Mom and Dad would not allow “jungle music” to be played in the house. So when Mom and Dad went grocery shopping I’d put Frank on the record player. Once they almost caught me and I had to pull the LP off the player and hide it in a stack of opera records. That night I got up at 1AM, snuck downstairs to retrieve Freak Out and put it back in the hiding place…

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:24:03pm

I did this everyday after school scores of times when I was in the 5th grade: I was always the first one home (I rode my bike to school when the weather allowed), I’d insert “Nevermind” into my father’s *big expensive* stereo system and blast “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” One time my neighbor (who was elderly) knocked very loudly on the front door and told me to turn it down. She told my parents, I got in trouble. Was grounded, yelled at, etc.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:27:13pm

re: #74 retired cynic

I was in high school, and it came over the loudspeaker, saying he was shot, and we were all just in shock. Then later came the word that he was dead. I don’t even remember if we went home then or not; just pure shock. That wasn’t supposed to happen in the USA!

I was in English class when a student who seemed distressed entered, told the teacher something, and left. She said nothing to us and continued the normal program. It wasn’t until the next class that I learned what happened. Apparently the English teacher was skeptical of the information and did not pass it on. We were all in a state of shock.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:27:27pm

re: #78 retired cynic

But actually, RFK bothered me the most. I was old enough to really follow politics and government by then, and he spoke to me. Then, instead of looking forward, we got Nixon. It’s like we were looking forward with Obama, and then BAM!

I was delivering the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette at 6 in the morning. The paper indicating that Bobby appeared to have won the California primary. I was delivering the papers not knowing what happened until I went to the first tavern that was opened and the TV was on saying Bobby had been shot…Felt like a real jerk delivering the rest of the papers with them saying that Bobby probably won California and the Democratic nomination…

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nicdanger  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:30:03pm

re: #77 Joe Bacon 🌹

pretty much the same for me… 3rd grade,in canton ohio.we were on the playground and the bell rang early.they sent us home after watching the news on t.v.
I had always heard that we would never forget where we were and what we were doing on that day in november ‘63…

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CleverToad  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:31:39pm

re: #41 DangerMan

I’m 61
still got my mom at 90.5

Mrs dm is 61
still has her mom at 90

….moms

Treasure them!

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:32:29pm

For whatever reason its the musicians I miss when they pass. Singer-songwriters. Actors don’t impact me that hard. Really young I was struck by killings. JFK, Bobby Kennedy and MLK. For me back then celebrity death was murder, not natural causes.

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retired cynic  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:32:31pm

re: #83 nicdanger

pretty much the same for me… 3rd grade,in canton ohio.we were on the playground and the bell rang early.they sent us home after watching the news on t.v.
I had always heard that we would never forget where we were and what we were doing on that day in november ‘63…

I think I could find the seat I was sitting in…

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nicdanger  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:35:47pm

re: #86 retired cynic

i was waiting in line to play tetherball.

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teleskiguy  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:35:57pm

My mom is 72. She can still stand on one foot. Her mother died of Parkinson’s disease at age 91. It was a slow and tragic decline. Ever since her mother died she stands on one foot for 10 seconds to make sure she can almost daily. I watched her do it about a week ago.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:44:33pm

So I am home, listening to The Cars on my headphones with a bit of wine to hand. Good times rolling indeed.

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!
Which celebrity death affected you the most?

I’ve been trying to think about that. Probably John Lennon because it was such a fucking waste after he’d come out seclusion and started making music again. Lou Reed and David Bowie for the well known ones and Michael Been for a very obscure one.

Dave Grohl damn well needs to outlive me and I need to live a long time yet because he’s got too much music that needs making.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:55:40pm

Just now realizing how much Cars music I actually knew.

Damn, man.

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 8:59:06pm

re: #90 Eclectic Cyborg

Just now realizing how much Cars music I actually knew.

Damn, man.

There music really was catchy and easy to listen to.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:07:06pm

re: #91 Belafon

There music really was catchy and easy to listen to.

Yet full of amazing subtext that went beyond the usual pop cliche’s. 1/2 garage band, 1/2 art house and 1/2 ironic cool that hit the radio in 1978 like a f’in sledgehammer. Nothing else like it on the wasteland of commercial radio (musicoutfitters.com)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:07:23pm

I remember senior year (1972-73) where Jobriath was advertised everywhere as being the next big thing. The first singer who said he was gay. Controversial as all CENSORED. Pittsburgh radio stations would not play his “offensive record”. WIIC (Channel 11 the NBC station) did not show the episode of The Midnight Special where he was singing several cuts from his debut album. The record stores in the Pittsburgh area were pressured by churches to not stock his record. He did a second album that flopped and then he faded into obscurity. His body was found in his apartment, he had been dead several weeks, cause was AIDS. His parents buried him with a marker that showed his actual name and they did everything they could to erase what he did…

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:16:15pm

Category-Not Good At All
Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official
abcnews.go.com

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Dread Pirate  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:28:07pm
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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:28:45pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

Category-Not Good At All
Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official
abcnews.go.com

The government says there’s no proof the attacks came from Yemen, yet they don’t provide proof they came from Iran.

In an escalating series of moves, Tehran has sought to counter or undermine those sanctions — attacking a handful of oil tankers, seizing others and their crews and assaulting Saudi oil facilities, according to U.S. officials.

“According to US officials” who I wouldn’t trust to tell me the time of day.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:32:34pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

Category-Not Good At All
Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official
abcnews.go.com

Smells. The timing of the story is wrong and too much has already been shown about the drone~cruise missiles that were supposed to be from Yemen.

1) the missiles had to go past the defense zone around Riyadh which is protected by expensive toys bought in the USA. Big embarrassment for the Military/Industrial Complex.

2) even without Bolton, Bibi wants the Mango Moron to start his war with Iran so he can more easily consolidate his power.

No, Iran supplied tech and support to the Yemeni who fired the missiles across the empty quarter. THAT has probably already lead to summary executions in the kingdom. Now they’re scrambling to spin this towards the goal they really want - war with Iran.

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austin_blue  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:50:16pm

You know , I really appreciate Chris Thiles’ virtuosity and musicianship, bit his instrument of choice, the mandolin (half the time tuning, half time playing out of tune, as the folk band saying goes) just sucks as a classical instrument. Go to YouTube and watch any performance of it on a fiddle, and there is no comparison.

The mandolin has intrinsic limitations. It is not an instrument that can legitimately play that Bach piece although he did it as well as it could be done. A very successful fail.

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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:51:37pm

Ah, the media the other day were so cute. “He’s fired Bolton! He’s wanting to talk with Tehran! The pivot is here!!!”

You’d think by now they would have learned.

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danarchy  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:57:42pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

Which celebrity death affected you the most?

For me it was JFK. I was 13 at the time. School had just let out for the day and there was a huge crowd of kids standing in the hallway. The principal was shouting YES THE PRESIDENT WAS SHOT! HE’S DEAD! NOW GO HOME!!

Some of the kids started crying.

I ran all the way home.

To be honest no celebrity death has ever really affected me any more than “Well that’s a bummer”

I guess if I had to pick, Carl Sagan was probably a bigger bummer than most.

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austin_blue  Sep 15, 2019 • 9:58:17pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Ah, the media the other day were so cute. “He’s fired Bolton! He’s wanting to talk with Tehran! The pivot is here!!!”

You’d think by now they would have learned.

Narrator’s Voice: He isn’t going to talk to Tehran.

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austin_blue  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:07:51pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

Which celebrity death affected you the most?

For me it was JFK. I was 13 at the time. School had just let out for the day and there was a huge crowd of kids standing in the hallway. The principal was shouting YES THE PRESIDENT WAS SHOT! HE’S DEAD! NOW GO HOME!!

Some of the kids started crying.

I ran all the way home.

Where the hell were you? I was seven, second grade, in a Catholic school near my Dad’s base in Cherry Point,

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Belafon  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:24:26pm

re: #101 austin_blue

Narrator’s Voice: He isn’t going to talk to Tehran.

Trump is exactly the type of child to bomb Iran specifically because you showed him the tape showing that he said he would talk with Iran.

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William Lewis  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:33:08pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:34:14pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:40:45pm

Because really, the best way to convince the rest of the world that a war with Iran has nothing to do with oil…is to go to war with Iran on the allegation that they attacked another country’s oil fields.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Sep 15, 2019 • 10:56:36pm

re: #98 austin_blue

You know , I really appreciate Chris Thiles’ virtuosity and musicianship, bit his instrument of choice, the mandolin (half the time tuning, half time playing out of tune, as the folk band saying goes) just sucks as a classical instrument. Go to YouTube and watch any performance of it on a fiddle, and there is no comparison.

The mandolin has intrinsic limitations. It is not an instrument that can legitimately play that Bach piece although he did it as well as it could be done. A very successful fail.

Have to agree about this piece. There are Bach pieces that can be transposed to the mandolin: this isn’t one of them.

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uriel  Sep 15, 2019 • 11:07:35pm

re: #73 The Pie Overlord!

Which celebrity death affected you the most?

Weird as it may seem, I’d have to say Phil Hartman. The whole seemed pointless and sad.

Second would be David Bowie.

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uriel  Sep 15, 2019 • 11:33:00pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

Category-Not Good At All
Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official
abcnews.go.com

Well, that’s one way to put it.

This would be another.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 15, 2019 • 11:38:18pm

re: #96 Belafon

The government says there’s no proof the attacks came from Yemen, yet they don’t provide proof they came from Iran.

“According to US officials” who I wouldn’t trust to tell me the time of day.

Based on Trump’s past record and his belligerent “locked and loaded” comment, my guess is we won’t be involved in any counterattack. Pompeo and Bibi may want conflict with Iran, but it would be totally out of character for Trump to actually engage in any strike that might have serious consequences. We probably won’t even be discussing this in two days — some other outrage (SQUIRREL!!) will attract our attention.

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 4:11:43am

re: #84 CleverToad

Treasure them!

for all they do an did
for all they put us through and still do

😍

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 4:12:17am

re: #41 DangerMan

I’m 61
still got my mom at 90.5

Mrs dm is 61
still has her mom at 90

….moms

my mom will be 89 in February

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BlueGrl21  Sep 16, 2019 • 4:51:06am

re: #75 teleskiguy

I’ll be honest. Kurt Cobain. I had found myself listening to his music, I was led down an exciting musical path and he made me feel alive. Then he killed himself.

Same. Gen X, born in 1972, missed the political assassinations.

Cobain and I were the same age.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 5:09:49am

Dying at 75 is sad, not tragic. Anything below 70 is tragic…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 5:11:12am

re: #106 Targetpractice

Because really, the best way to convince the rest of the world that a war with Iran has nothing to do with oil…is to go to war with Iran on the allegation that they attacked another country’s oil fields.

Iran is still enough of an unknown to most Americans that it can successfully be turned into a bogeyman with a minimum of propaganda run-up…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 16, 2019 • 5:53:27am

Friday is D-Day. The original instigator has repudiated the idea, saying it was a joke that got out of hand. “Those who know” (actual ufools) assume of course that the Men In Black have gotten to him and a few persist in giving it a go. A million and a half people signed up for the assault, so we can figure that 3, possibly even 4 or 5, nutcakes will try to get onto the base before they are rounded up by the contract security officers.
Another Nevada County Warns ‘Storm Area 51’ Seekers To Stay Home

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Chrysicat  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:03:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:09:45am

The GOP managed to turn the Kavanaugh hearings into a he-said-she-said innocent-until-proven-guilty assault on his personal reputation.

But he was not on trial for rape, he was the subject of a hearing to decide whether he had the character and reputation worthy of a lifetime appointment to America’s leading judicial instance.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:10:54am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP managed to turn the Kavanaugh hearings into a he-said-she-said innocent-until-proven-guilty assault on his personal reputation.

But he was not on trial for rape, he was the subject of a hearing to decide whether he had the character and reputation worthy of a lifetime appointment to America’s leading judicial instance.

Which he didn’t.

But then every asshole Trump and McConnell put on the bench wasn’t worthy to get a lifetime appointment, either.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:11:12am

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jeffreyw  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:13:07am

Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:15:25am

UAW goes on strike against GM.

Please let that be a wake up call for folks to get militant and organize again!

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:15:57am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:25:56am

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:26:01am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So Kavanaugh was caught in a tangle of lies over the weekend? This surprises anyone? Really? He lied through his teeth all during the confirmation hearing, and now we have confirmation of same. He perjured himself in that testimony. That itself is an impeachable offense.

Yeah, add that to the list of things that wont happen because the GOP controls the Senate and removal of yet another person wholly lacking in character and judgment who engaged in high crimes/misdemeanors is thwarted so long as the GOP retains control and can get to 60 votes (and yeah, even if the Democrats retake, getting to 60 is a very long shot). We shouldn’t write all of this off, and it makes 2020 even more important than it already is.

Enablers like Collins must be booted from the Senate, and the race to unseat McConnell is even more important.

And yet all that pales to Trump getting kicked out of office (and ultimately being held criminally responsible for his crimes in and out of office.

The entire GOP shows depraved indifference to the rule of law - and howl when anyone tries to hold them accountable. Hold them accountable. Vote the fuckers out of office, and then hold those who engaged in criminal conduct criminally liable.

It also means that Democrats have to focus on more than just one election - or one election cycle. It means taking the long view of rolling back the GOP at all levels of government. Every election needs to be contested. Every last one. Yeah, I know that there are districts that are solidly red and have been for generations, but you signal to Democrats everywhere that fighting for every district matters, and that their voices matter. It also means that Democrats have to accept those who are not going to have the super progressive far left views - that they need to take a big tent approach, where they can squabble on some policy matters, but align on the big picture - namely that defeating the GOP to protect civil and voting rights and the rule of law is paramount, and that defeating the GOP in the Senate means putting teeth into the checks and balances that McConnell has thrown out the door so that he can remake the federal judiciary in the Federalist/Heritage minset.

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Chrysicat  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:27:10am

In other, more esoteric news:

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:41:22am

Trump literally has a tweet for every goddamned situation he now encounters - and he’s doing all the things he claimed were “bad”.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:42:52am

Oh yeah, and Trump’s going to punt on gun control again. Because of course he will. It’s what the GOP and NRA do.

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:43:09am

4 states have cancelled their republican primary, though SC may be in some trouble there

michigan just modified their rules because they cant totally cancel, so they effectively shutting out any competition

no, it’s not the ‘cost savings’ in not having to run a primary because it’s a ‘sure thing’ - that’s just the excuse

theses state parties must be afraid that trump would lose, or self-beclown himself worse than he constantly does

// 1/2 and only somewhat rhetorical

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Chrysicat  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:51:33am

re: #128 lawhawk

Trump literally has a tweet for every goddamned situation he now encounters - and he’s doing all the things he claimed were “bad”.

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Except AREN’T they paying “us”, meaning “Trump Org”, not “The American government”, an absolute fortune in return for being an extension of their army?

I mean, yes, you have to grant that Trump never meant “the US Treasury”, but since he clearly has intent of transferring more of that to private hands than Yanuk did that should be only mildly a surprise…

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:56:38am

re: #127 Chrysicat

In other, more esoteric news:

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:56:42am

re: #131 Chrysicat

The Saudis aren’t paying us. They’re using us as they have for decades to further their agenda in the region. We side with them out of convenience and ignorance.

Trump more than most. And the GOP follows Trump blindly because of course they do.

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Citizen K  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:59:23am

This shit is exactly how and exactly why we keep getting Kavanaughs.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 6:59:37am

re: #132 Belafon

Fixed the tweet.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:01:44am

re: #134 Citizen K

It’s already a crime to file a false police report.

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makeitstop  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:03:16am

Back to Ocasek for a minute - I’d never seen this video, and it’s a testament to just how good Okasek’s songwriting was. Prince didn’t cover just anybody.

Prince covers The Cars: “Let’s Go”

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:08:23am

re: #124 Belafon

Major focus on beating 10 GOP Senators in 2020:

Mitch McConnell (KY)
Susan Collins (ME)
John Cornyn (TX)
Joni Ernst (IA)
Cory Gardner (CO)
Lindsey Graham (SC)
Cindy Hyde-Smith (MS)
Martha McSally (AZ)
David Perdue (GA)
Thom Tillis (NC)

A pleasant dream: but on a serious level, I can see only 3 really GOOD shots at flips (ME, CO, AZ) and 2 decent chances (IA, GA). And of course, another chance in GA for retiring Isakson’s replacement. Of course, flipping 5 Senate seats would be a worthy accomplishment in itself, but it is still going to be an uphill slog to gain (D) control (especially as AL is likely to flip the other way).

But even if the Dems gain a Majority in the 117th, it still might not be enough to overcome what will doubtlessly be even more obdurate/hysterical obstructionism by the GOP. Maybe if they still had LBJ as Majority Leader: a Leader who ruled his caucus with an iron hand, and knew (and exploited) every obscure rule of Senate procedures to steamroller opposition: unfortunately, that’s not in Chuck Schumer’s wheelhouse.

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Chrysicat  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:16:47am

re: #138 Jay C

A pleasant dream: but on a serious level, I can see only 3 really GOOD shots at flips (ME, CO, AZ) and 2 decent chances (IA, GA). And of course, another chance in GA for retiring Isakson’s replacement. Of course, flipping 5 Senate seats would be a worthy accomplishment in itself, but it will be an uphill slog to gain (D) control (especially as AL is likely to flip the other way).

But even if the Dems gain a Majority in the 117th, it still might not be enough to overcome what will doubtlessly be even more obdurate/hysterical obstructionism by the GOP. Maybe if they still had LBJ as Majority Leader: a Leader who ruled his caucus with an iron hand, and knew (and exploited) every obscure rule of Senate procedures to steamroller opposition: unfortunately, that’s not in Chuck Schumer’s wheelhouse.

Didn’t NC elect a Dem governor last year?

So unless they manage to disenfranchise even further for 2020 than for 2018 (which is possible when the Rs camp out to generate a quorum during planned recesses in order to push stuff the governor would veto were he to have a chance), it may be in play too since it’s also a statewide election and can’t just be gerrymandered like the Assembly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:20:10am

re: #134 Citizen K

Sexual assault allegations with ZERO evidence should be a crime.

This shit is exactly how and exactly why we keep getting Kavanaughs.

He was not on trial for rape, he was being investigated as to whether he had the character worthy of a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court

That is a rather different matter. He is not going to be put away for life, just not seated for life.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:21:52am

He’s Tweetin’ up a Cat 5 Hurricane

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Citizen K  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:23:45am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was not on trial for rape, he was being investigated as to whether he had the character worthy of a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court

That is a rather different matter. He is not going to be put away for life, just not seated for life.

But according to his defenders, it’s similar enough that his reputation and life would be ‘ruined’ over what they saw as a crazy evil woman inventing shit against him.

You know, the same shit they say about any woman who speaks up about being sexually assaulted. And it’s almost like 1) witness testimony IS “evidence”, and 2) like investigations are exactly what you do to find evidence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:26:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:29:14am
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:32:52am
except I will, and have always expected to, lose BILLIONS of DOLLARS..

Easy to prove. Release your taxes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:33:14am

re: #141 The Pie Overlord!

…so now the Democrats are trying to build a case that I enrich myself by being President. Good idea, except I will, and have always expected to, lose BILLIONS of DOLLARS..

He seems to be unaware of the Emoluments Clause, and/or he has a totally different interpretation of “Executive Privilege”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:33:46am

re: #142 Citizen K

But according to his defenders, it’s similar enough that his reputation and life would be ‘ruined’ over what they saw as a crazy evil woman inventing shit against him.

You know, the same shit they say about any woman who speaks up about being sexually assaulted. And it’s almost like 1) witness testimony IS “evidence”, and 2) like investigations are exactly what you do to find evidence.

Like those poor young athletes…

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:34:04am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

With some of them being actual body parts and not metaphorical ones.

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Citizen K  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:35:36am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like those poor young athletes…

Can’t ruin their future by punishing them over some understandable youthful indiscretion, don’t you know… ///////

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:36:05am

re: #141 The Pie Overlord!

He’s Tweetin’ up a Cat 5 Hurricane

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So as usual, his shitstorm Tweetstorm about how much money he’s losing in the WH probably means he/the Trump .Org. is raking in the scratch in Iraqi-pallet volume….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:36:07am
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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:36:11am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was not on trial for rape, he was being investigated as to whether he had the character worthy of a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court

That is a rather different matter. He is not going to be put away for life, just not seated for life.

you’re right in this particular case,

this is still sort of besides the point this guy was making re “Sexual assault allegations with ZERO evidence should be a crime.”

how does anyone know there’s ‘zero evidence’ until after a proper investigation is done?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:36:51am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boris Johnson is in Luxembourg.

Hundreds of miles away from England.

He is still greeted by resounding boos from British ex-pats.

Expats hate him worst of all. He is about to make their lives a lot more difficult.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:39:40am

This dude does fun tutorials and he has several The Cars songs in his library.

how to play “Shake It Up” by The Cars | guitar solo lesson tutorial

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:40:15am
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Citizen K  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:40:29am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Wow. Fuck all the way off with that. I know this dude is already a raging asshole, but trying to pull that fucking shame bullshit on people with depression is out right gaslighting and abuse. Putting the blame for one’s depression on them and telling them they’re somehow not a ‘real Christian’ for being depressed is monstrous.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:40:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:41:26am
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retired cynic  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:42:27am

Charlie Pierce does Brett Kavanaugh: esquire.com

and

Terry Gross has the authors of the Education of Brett Kavanaugh on Fresh Air today.

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Chrysicat  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:42:44am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:43:05am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“A true Christian is never depressed.”

This is one of the worst things for depressive people to confront: the attitude that their depression is a matter of personal choice or something that can be overcome by learning to think the “right” way.

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retired cynic  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:44:19am

re: #161 Chrysicat

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Well, he looks depressed! And I feel depressed looking at him. Won’t listen to him!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:45:00am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

This boy really rocks woks!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:48:28am

And this also happened:
Judge: Ky. man arrested after threatening to blow up Planned Parenthood

INDEPENDENCE, Ky. (WXIX/Gray News) - A man arrested over the weekend and accused of threatening to blow up a Cincinnati business was targeting Planned Parenthood, a Northern Kentucky judge revealed in court Monday morning.

Daniel Kibler was arrested on charges of possession of a destructive device or booby trap device, terroristic threatening and eight counts of wanton endangerment after authorities searched his home in Independence, Ky.

It was confirmed authorities received reports that Kibler threatened to “blow up” a business in Cincinnati.

Police said they executed a search warrant for his home, where at least one illegal device was uncovered.

Sources said people who know Kibler reported the threats to authorities.

The case remains under investigation by the Kenton County Police Department.

Police declined comment Monday morning, saying they expect to release more information once they notify the organization involved in the threat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:49:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:50:07am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Its weird how the dominionst theocratic creeps are REALLY WORRIED about antifa and black bloc. Its almost like they want any excuse to harm people that stand against their theocratic fascist creep

by branding antifa as dangerous leftist terrorists, it makes it easier to label any form of anti-fascism as dangerous leftist terror.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:52:57am
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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:57:05am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2019 • 7:58:23am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is one of the worst things for depressive people to confront: the attitude that their depression is a matter of personal choice or something that can be overcome by learning to think the “right” way.

Not all Christians subscribe to this crap. I’m part of a Mental Health Awareness group at my church and we openly discuss therapy, medicines, coping techniques, etc, etc. Our guiding principle is basically: “Prayer alone is not enough. We’re here to help you get help.”

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:03:58am

What’s the logical fallacy where someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that a criticism of a person or a subset of a group applies to everyone in that group.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:06:09am

re: #171 Belafon

What’s the logical fallacy where someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that a criticism of a person or a subset of a group applies to everyone in that group.

You have pretty much described bigotry in a nutshell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:06:11am

LOL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:06:43am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Keep racking up the fails, Boris. It’s entertaining.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:07:13am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:08:21am
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Jay C  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:09:42am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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LOL indeed.

So the Lux PM is going to hold a press conference with himself? TBH, it probably wouldn’t be particularly more productive even if BoJo DID show up….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:09:52am

Boris is having a very very bad day

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:10:32am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Boris is having a very very bad day

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MsJ  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:13:54am

re: #104 William Lewis

Back to The Cars. Ric’s last performance?

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Video

He barely changed…he looks so much like he did when I saw them back in the day.

So sad. RIP, Ric.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:14:19am

So, let me get this straight.

The snowflake Boris Johnson, who sought out the job of PM of the UK, because he wanted to quit the EU, can’t take heckling from protesters and bailed on a joint presser with the Luxembourg PM?

This is who the UK has leading it in this time of crisis?

Yeah, Putin couldn’t possibly have picked better people to aid and abet his chaos objectives among his rivals and enemies.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:15:47am

Historic shul burns down in Duluth, and alleged arsonist is in custody. So far, they’re going out of their way to not call it a hate crime. We will see.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:17:05am

sure, Jan…

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:17:50am

re: #181 lawhawk

So, let me get this straight.

The snowflake Boris Johnson, who sought out the job of PM of the UK, because he wanted to quit the EU, can’t take heckling from protesters and bailed on a joint presser with the Luxembourg PM?

This is who the UK has leading it in this time of crisis?

Yeah, Putin couldn’t possibly have picked better people to aid and abet his chaos objectives among his rivals and enemies.

And just wait for the jingoist/apologist RW press in the UK to get up in arms about this “insult”. I’m sure somebody at Number Ten is already ginning up a campaign to try to make Johnson the victim here, and cite his “ill-treatment” as an excuse to push Brexit even more…

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Skip Intro  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:18:25am

re: #121 Joe Bacon 🌹

And people said Steve Jobs had a reality distortion field. He was a rank amatuer compared to Trump.

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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:18:43am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, according to the dossier, the fat orange tyrant loves water sports, am I right?

Tip your waitresses!

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BigPapa  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:18:53am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

First Family. Water sports?

Oh, you’re talking about jet skis. Nevermind.

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:22:49am

re: #181 lawhawk

So, let me get this straight.

The snowflake Boris Johnson, who sought out the job of PM of the UK, because he wanted to quit the EU, can’t take heckling from protesters and bailed on a joint presser with the Luxembourg PM?

This is who the UK has leading it in this time of crisis?

Yeah, Putin couldn’t possibly have picked better people to aid and abet his chaos objectives among his rivals and enemies
.

and if by some chance he didnt in fact orchestrate all this, he’s gotta be laughing his ass off

“yes, we had a plan. it wasn’t this good”

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:24:07am

re: #182 lawhawk

Historic shul burns down in Duluth, and alleged arsonist is in custody. So far, they’re going out of their way to not call it a hate crime. We will see.

“i wanted to burn something. just happened to be a synagogue”

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:25:43am

re: #184 Jay C

And just wait for the jingoist/apologist RW press in the UK to get up in arms about this “insult”. I’m sure somebody at Number Ten is already ginning up a campaign to try to make Johnson the victim here, and cite his “ill-treatment” as an excuse to push Brexit even more…

right
coward too scared to face the public is somehow the ‘victim’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:25:53am

re: #189 DangerMan

“i wanted to burn something. just happened to be a synagogue”

Just a spontaneous expression of the People’s rage…coulda happened to any sort of religious structure…

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:28:56am

And in case it hasn’t been noted here:

Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy.

According to reports it’s all part of the OxyContin “settlement” agreement supposedly in the works. Presumably the Sackler family can now whine about how much they’ve had to “sacrifice” - and never mind the billion-dollar offshore transfers….

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DangerMan  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:29:11am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just a spontaneous expression of the People’s rage…coulda happened to any sort of religious structure…

behind tags because i’d hate for anyone to not understand irony
or what a hypothetical quotation looks like

P+c3QuPm1kiayValKrhnGaH4Ls/Y3RKmxme+l+dcaaUddOf81TMSfbfjluWSv11N

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:31:37am
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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:34:54am

re: #192 Jay C

And in case it hasn’t been noted here:

Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy.

According to reports it’s all part of the OxyContin “settlement” agreement supposedly in the works. Presumably the Sackler family can now whine about how much they’ve had to “sacrifice” - and never mind the billion-dollar offshore transfers….

The Times reported that Sacklers engaged in all kinds of sham transactions to try and shield their personal finances from the settlement deal, and now we see that they declared bankruptcy. The states and stakeholders in seeing Purdue/Sacklers held accountable for their wrongdoing will fight the bankruptcy claims in court - claiming that the only reason for the bankruptcy to be filed is to avoid responsibility for the crisis of their own making. And one could make a convincing case that you could pierce the corporate veil and hold them personally liable for the malfeasance by Purdue since it’s a closely held company.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:35:13am
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:36:29am

re: #171 Belafon

Borrow Stonekettle’s emergency “not all.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:40:12am

re: #186 plansbandc

Well, according to the dossier, the fat orange tyrant loves water sports, am I right?

Tip your waitresses!

USS will obviously need watercraft to keep Cheeto from being harpooned by a passing Japanese ship and beach buggies to intercept gangs of concerned environmentalists who might try rolling him back into the water when he sunbathes on the sand

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:40:22am

re: #197 jaunte

Borrow Stonekettle’s emergency “not all.”

I know, but I was just wondering if there was an actually fallacy named for that.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:41:13am

re: #184 Jay C

And just wait for the jingoist/apologist RW press in the UK to get up in arms about this “insult”. I’m sure somebody at Number Ten is already ginning up a campaign to try to make Johnson the victim here, and cite his “ill-treatment” as an excuse to push Brexit even more…

We can laugh at them, too.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:42:00am

re: #188 DangerMan

and if by some chance he didnt in fact orchestrate all this, he’s gotta be laughing his ass off

“yes, we had a plan. it wasn’t this good”

I always figured the biggest component of luck is planning.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:42:31am

re: #199 Belafon

Maybe it’s a ‘false analogy’ fallacy.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:43:57am

X is like Y.

Y has property P.

Therefore, X has property P.

(but X really is not too much like Y)

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:46:57am

Mike Huckabee is a Christian. Saint Sebastian was a Christian.

Saint Sebastian was martyred by being shot full of arrows.

Therefore, any criticism of Mike Huckabee is like shooting him full of arrows.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:47:25am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, Jan…

[Embedded content]

Yeah we heard about their water sports. There is even talk that Putin has video of it in Russia.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:48:22am

Seems silly, but I see people run it every day.

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makeitstop  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:54:58am

Today Google honors B.B. King on what would be his 94th birthday.

Youtube Video

(Edited to add video.)

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 8:57:02am

re: #203 jaunte

X is like Y.

Y has property P.

Therefore, X has property P.

(but X really is not too much like Y)

Almost, but this would be more like:

X has property P.
Y has property P.
X also has property Q.
Therefore, Y has property Q.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:00:20am

re: #208 Belafon

Almost, but this would be more like:

X has property P.
Y has property P.
X also has property Q.
Therefore, Y has property Q.

There are two ways of looking at this. The first, is when the person A points out that X has property Q generalizes to Y. The second is when person B who hears person A say that X has property Q implies that Person Y also has it. It’s the second version I’m interested in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:01:31am

re: #207 makeitstop

Today Google honors B.B. King on what would be his 94th birthday.

I am glad I got to see him live (in Büdingen, Germany ca. 1996) while he was still with us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:01:59am

re: #209 Belafon

There are two ways of looking at this. The first, is when the person A points out that X has property Q generalizes to Y. The second is when person B who hears person A say that X has property Q implies that Person Y also has it. It’s the second version I’m interested in.

Hitler was a vegetarian!

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retired cynic  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:05:25am

This woman, Zaria Forman, is really talented. She makes “Monumental Pastel Drawings of Endangered Icebergs” - thisiscolossal.com

There is a quick timelapse video of her working on one of these.

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sagehen  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:12:17am

re: #212 retired cynic

This woman, Zaria Forman, is really talented. She makes “Monumental Pastel Drawings of Endangered Icebergs” - thisiscolossal.com

There is a quick timelapse video of her working on one of these.

[Embedded content]

um…. don’t all icebergs look alike?

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retired cynic  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:15:03am

re: #213 sagehen

um…. don’t all icebergs look alike?

Apparently not.

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makeitstop  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:16:47am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am glad I got to see him live (in Büdingen, Germany ca. 1996) while he was still with us.

Never had the pleasureof seeing him perform. I did, however, literally walk into a conversation between B.B and Les Paul at a club in Manhattan one night. Despite being face to face with two living legends, I managed to recover enough to tell them both how much I loved and respected their work.

Lester was surly. B.B. put out his hand and introduced himself and asked my name. If ever there was a moment that I was a complete goofy fanboi, that was the moment.

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lizardofid  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:17:36am

re: #212 retired cynic

Thanks, that’s cool.

The my favorite piece at the Dallas Museum of Art is Fredric Edwin Church.

The Icebergs
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:21:29am

re: #213 sagehen

um…. don’t all icebergs look alike?

They have as much variance as mountains, cliffs and other rock formations do on land. Some look like giant slabs, some look like pyramids, some look like tear drops.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:23:16am

re: #213 sagehen

um…. don’t all icebergs look alike?

Greenberg, Goldberg, Iceberg, they’re all the same…

(Punchline from a bad Russian joke about how it was Jews who sank the Titanic)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:40:13am

Boris is SUCH a snowflake

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:41:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:43:24am
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Kafitrar  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:43:26am

re: #171 Belafon

What’s the logical fallacy where someone immediately jumps to the conclusion that a criticism of a person or a subset of a group applies to everyone in that group.

Maybe a hasty generalization?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2019 • 9:47:00am
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2019 • 10:02:46am

re: #198 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

USS will obviously need watercraft to keep Cheeto from being harpooned by a passing Japanese ship and beach buggies to intercept gangs of concerned environmentalists who might try rolling him back into the water when he sunbathes on the sand

[Louis Anderson]
…so fat that at the beach people try to role him back into the water….
[/Louis Anderson]

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sagehen  Sep 16, 2019 • 10:23:50am

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

They have as much variance as mountains, cliffs and other rock formations do on land. Some look like giant slabs, some look like pyramids, some look like tear drops.

But mountains and cliffs look the same yesterday and today and tomorrow… icebergs you can’t possibly go looking for “the one in that picture I liked” and expect to ever find it.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 16, 2019 • 1:04:23pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

This dude does fun tutorials and he has several The Cars songs in his library.

[Embedded content]

Video

That was a nice bit of education there - thanks for posting it


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