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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:37:34pm
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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:42:08pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, gasp….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:42:26pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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What?????

No Diamond And Silk?????

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:44:30pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:44:34pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

What?????

No Diamond And Silk?????

Selling out your friends and family is a requirement for membership in the GOP, not a skill.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:51:05pm
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Belafon  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:51:38pm
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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 7:53:06pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:09:11pm
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Cheechako  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:10:31pm

Is there ever a good time to watch the Designated Survivor series on Netflix? My wife and I have just started watching. It’s nice to see a President trying under difficult circumstances to do what’s right for the country while combating all the evil in the Government.

I can feel my blood pressure rise during every episode we watch.

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:11:23pm

re: #10 Cheechako

I tried to watch it, but compared with the news the fictional crises seemed so mild.

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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:12:23pm
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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:12:56pm

re: #12 gocart mozart

The bare hands seem like an odd choice.

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:13:36pm

“Where did this weird prehistoric rash come from?”

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:15:48pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

I might be inferring that these worms and that movie are related. But I am saying be a bit wary of relating to movies that weren’t designed to be warning movies. Jurassic Park is a bit more of a warning, though I doubt we’d pull off the frog DNA like that movie depicted.

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BigPapa  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:16:49pm

Watching the Lewandowski clown show with House Judiciary.

Doug Collins is trash. Lewandowski is trash. The GOP is trash.

But Nadler seemed frustrated and out of his element at times. Dems need to get to the brass tacks.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:18:28pm

Like in Prometheus, some cobra snake looking creature rises from the ooze on an alien planet, and the guy says something like ” what a cute Lil guy”. Nope, not happening.

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Scout  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:20:19pm

re: #15 Belafon

What’s the mystery? That’s obviously an immature shoggoth.

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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:27:25pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:28:24pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

Jane Coaston

@cjane87
Has no one watched any movie, ever

So this story — and the reanimated worms and UFOs downstairs — seem to suggest that maybe some force is trying to interject some levity into our nightmare Trump reality — or maybe these are just additional signs of the apocalypse approaching us

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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:29:13pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:37:49pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:39:42pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

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“I’ve seen this movie. The black dude dies first.”

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gocart mozart  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:44:46pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:50:35pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

“I’ve seen this movie. The black dude dies first.”

This is the movie that started that cliche—Spider Baby!

Spider Baby or, The Maddest Story Ever Told (1967)

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2019 • 8:54:28pm
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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:03:46pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:09:58pm

Thread

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:10:22pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

“I’ve seen this movie. The blackMaori dude dies first.”

RV Tangaroa - it’s one of ours.

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plansbandc  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:14:52pm

re: #28 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

When his henchmen are dragging them to the internment camp, do you think they’ll still support him?

“Oh there must be some mistake. I’m one of the good ones.”

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:20:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:33:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:37:44pm

re: #6 Belafon

Wendy Siegelman
@WendySiegelman
Big detail buried in article on whistleblower complaint @RepAdamSchiff escalated:

“The individual once worked on the staff of the White House National Security Council, which frequently borrows intelligence community personnel”beta.washingtonpost.com

Yes — Trump needs to go ASAP but my concern is that if this charge leads to his sudden departure now, the Republican Party will behave as though he was the single culprit and they will escape any repercussions because of our irresponsible both-siderism press.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:45:44pm
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DodgerFan1988  Sep 18, 2019 • 9:51:23pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 18, 2019 • 10:06:11pm

re: #34 Dread Pirate

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Because they’ve a base who to this day think that Trump’s in the clear because Obama once told Medvedev back in 2012 that he’d have “more flexibility” after the election…when the discussion was about nuclear disarmament treaties.

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mmmirele  Sep 18, 2019 • 10:51:45pm

So today was alternately frustrating and rewarding at work.

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2019 • 11:14:01pm

re: #15 Belafon

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I might be inferring that these worms and that movie are related. But I am saying be a bit wary of relating to movies that weren’t designed to be warning movies. Jurassic Park is a bit more of a warning, though I doubt we’d pull off the frog DNA like that movie depicted.

I just see the goddamn thing expanding and eating the face off the idiot who is holding it.

But that’s just me.

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2019 • 11:33:27pm

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — Trump needs to go ASAP but my concern is that if this charge leads to his sudden departure now, the Republican Party will behave as though he was the single culprit and they will escape any repercussions because of our irresponsible both-siderism press.

There is much more than one useful idiot in Washington. The Red Scare in the early 50’s was a sham, but what we are dealing with today may actually be real.

I don’t want to go all “Commies infiltrating the gubmint!!”, but it does seem that there are people in high places who don’t have the best interests of our Democracy who are making decisions in high places.

Or I’m just paranoid.

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2019 • 11:39:17pm

Late. Night all, sweet dreams. Looks like some areas north of Houston have gotten 25’ inches of rain in the last two days, with more to come. Their fifth century rain event in the last six years.

Just what is it going to take for us to wake the fucking up?

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Dread Pirate  Sep 19, 2019 • 12:14:01am

I’ll give you one guess on what news is not on Fox News website right now.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 19, 2019 • 12:48:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 12:54:55am

A dangerous game, because if one Democrat gets caught claiming too large a deduction on his income taxes, it is going to be blown up into a Massive Swamp Monster-sized scandal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 12:57:54am

re: #26 teleskiguy

On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio.

First thing I did with my new Ford Ranger was to fill up a canister and then run it dry just to see how far I get on an empty needle. Just over 40 miles. Must not have had the music up loud enough…

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teleskiguy  Sep 19, 2019 • 1:28:06am

Two guys killed themselves in my county jail in the last month. The Sheriff said something.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 2:29:27am

My wife and I help pay for this quality content on YouTube, so I’m going to inflict it on you.

Sometimes you look at stuff like this and think either “capitalism needs to die in a fire” or “we need to tax the crap out of the brain-dead with too much money.”

Utah Outcasts (caution for coarse language, NSFW) started a new segment called “Bullshit, or Bullshit You Can Buy.” It was written by one of the show’s patrons.

This segment discusses two putative products, and the host (X) asks you to figure out if each is a real product or a fake one.

The patron provided enough for several weeks, so they just started with the first two on the list.

(video, 20:02)

Salty Water and Cellphone Stickers - BS or BS You Can Buy #1

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2019 • 2:53:12am

In Brexit news:

IOW, the UK Government is thinking they’re gonna lose this case in front of their Supreme Court and that the SCOTUK might well order BoJo to reconvene Parliament.

What an absolute shitshow this all is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 2:54:16am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

In Brexit news:

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IOW, the UK Government is thinking they’re gonna lose this case in front of their Supreme Court and that the SCOTUK might well order the BoJo to reconvene Parliament.

What an absolute shitshow this all is.

BJ is already covered in shit, this is just determining how much shit…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2019 • 2:55:37am

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

LOL if that whistleblower turned out to be John Bolton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 2:56:25am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

LOL if that whistleblower turned out to be John Bolton.

would explain why DT could not accept his resignation or let him go in “dignity”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:05:28am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

LOL if that whistleblower turned out to be John Bolton.

No way, Nat Sec Advisor is directly appointed, overtly political, and technically outside the intelligence community hierarchy, as such I’m pretty sure that office isn’t even covered by the ICWPA.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:26:54am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

LOL if that whistleblower turned out to be John Bolton.

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

would explain why DT could not accept his resignation or let him go in “dignity”

Donald Trump doesn’t let anyone go in dignity. John Bolton might be a warmongering asshole, but selling the country down the river for a few bucks is not something he would support.

I imagine being fired on Twitter like a common Rex Tillerson would really twist Mr. Walrus Mustache’s panties in a bunch. I can totally see him making the whistleblow just to stick a metaphorical knife in on the way out.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:38:51am

Other city council members defended her remarks.

Every House member from N.J. just condemned Trenton council president for anti-Semitic remark (NJ dot com)

All 12 House members from New Jersey [11 D, 1 R] condemned the anti-Semitic remarks uttered by Trenton Council President Kathy McBride, and demanded that council members who supported her either apologize or resign.

(more)

friendlyatheist.patheos.com

Here’s a bad idea: If you’re ever negotiating a personal injury settlement, and you think the other side isn’t giving you what you deserve, don’t say they’re trying to “Jew you down.”

Here’s another bad idea: If someone says that, don’t defend it.

The anti-Semitic comment was allegedly made by Kathy McBride, the president of the Trenton City Council in New Jersey, earlier this month. She was referring to a Jewish lawyer. She insists those things are not connected.

(more at Friendly Atheist)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:46:57am

Former Scottsbluff man convicted for fire that killed his 2 children (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

TL;DR version: A San Diego man was convicted for the deaths of his two children after a fire in his home. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, recklessly causing a fire, and child endangerment.

Prosecutors maintained he fell asleep with a cigarette, sparking a fire which killed his two children. His attorney maintained the fire was sparked by a defective cell’ ‘phone.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:52:58am

(Goes to the Great Orange Satan)
Texas teacher who tried to contact Trump to have her students deported is officially fired

A Texas school board voted unanimously to fire a teacher whose xenophobia was exposed by her own inability to properly use social media.

In June, The Washington Post got its hands on tweets sent to Donald Trump from Fort Worth high school teacher Georgia Clark. Those tweets asked Trump to “clean up” Fort Worth, and get rid of the undocumented students from her district. She also had other racist things to say, such as “Texas will not protect whistle blowers. The Mexicans refuse to honor our flag.” Clark said she thought the tweets were “private,” though of course they weren’t. Clark’s terrible mindset and social media skills unearthed investigations of previous infractions by Clark that seemed to run along racial lines. Examples included calling a group of students “Little Mexico,” and telling a girl that her hair was “nappy.”

(more)

The school board in Fort Worth voted unanimously to fire her.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:53:17am

Regarding this whistleblower, I wonder if it relates to the US spy that was extracted from Russia not long ago and then very publicly outed by the media (for his protection).

Perhaps the whistleblower revealed that Trump intended to give the identity or location of this particular spy to Putin, thus the sudden public extraction and relocation of the spy in order to protect the spy and save his life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 3:56:28am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Here’s a bad idea: If you’re ever negotiating a personal injury settlement, and you think the other side isn’t giving you what you deserve, don’t say they’re trying to “Jew you down.”

I recall members of my family using that in private conversations, but that is not really the sort of thing to utter in any public setting or in the capacity of a public official

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:00:24am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall members of my family using that in private conversations, but that is not really the sort of thing to utter in any public setting or in the capacity of a public official

I don’t ever recall the phrase until I left home and joined the Navy. It always struck me as a bigoted thing to say. I guess I led a sheltered life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:04:23am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I don’t ever recall the phrase until I left home and joined the Navy. It always struck me as a bigoted thing to say. I guess I led a sheltered life.

Our family was fairly coarse in their language but I think they understood the distinction between what was acceptable in private and what was okay in public.

And that was also a long time ago: needless to say, what was accepted then is not necessarily acceptable now.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:05:42am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

Regarding this whistleblower, I wonder if it relates to the US spy that was extracted from Russia not long ago and then very publicly outed by the media (for his protection).

Perhaps the whistleblower revealed that Trump intended to give the identity or location of this particular spy to Putin, thus the sudden public extraction and relocation of the spy in order to protect the spy and save his life.

Could be.

I’ve seen speculation that it might also be over the Iceland meeting with Putin, though news reporting says that this occurred over a telephone call and not a face-to-face meeting with anyone.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:15:54am

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Former Scottsbluff man convicted for fire that killed his 2 children (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

TL;DR version: A San Diego man was convicted for the deaths of his two children after a fire in his home. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, recklessly causing a fire, and child endangerment.

Prosecutors maintained he fell asleep with a cigarette, sparking a fire which killed his two children. His attorney maintained the fire was sparked by a defective cell’ ‘phone.

I actually have a huge problem with this. We are now criminalizing accidents? Was it reckless? Absolutely. But shit happens. Bad shit happens. Every hour of every day.

Criminalizing accidents is an exceptionally dangerous path.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:16:09am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our family was fairly coarse in their language but I think they understood the distinction between what was acceptable in private and what was okay in public.

And that was also a long time ago: needless to say, what was accepted then is not necessarily acceptable now.

PC culture is ruining language!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:18:05am

re: #61 MsJ

I actually have a huge problem with this. We are now criminalizing accidents? Was it reckless? Absolutely. But shit happens. Bad shit happens. Every hour of every day.

Criminalizing accidents is an exceptionally dangerous path.

I have a slight problem with it. Falling asleep with a cigarette is on the borderline between “accident” and “reckless behavior”, I can see endangerment, but not manslaughter.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:19:27am

re: #61 MsJ

Falling asleep in a chair with a lit cigarette is not an accident, it is negligence.

We already criminialise “accidents” such as falling asleep at the wheel of a car and killing two children (reckless driving)—because you’re not supposed to drive a car when you’re tired, or when you become tired you should stop.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:21:02am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a slight problem with it. Falling asleep with a cigarette is on the borderline between “accident” and “reckless behavior”, I can see endangerment, but not manslaughter.

It became manslaughter because two children died because of his negligence.

: the unlawful killing of a human being without express or implied malice

merriam-webster.com

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:22:31am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall members of my family using that in private conversations, but that is not really the sort of thing to utter in any public setting or in the capacity of a public official

I was raised Jewish and this was a very common phrase when I was growing up. I never took offense at it. I never analyzed it, either, which is very likely what happened with that woman.

There are times that people of a certain age say things that they heard all their lives and don’t think about. Reinforcement of stereotypes…drunken Irish, cheap Scottish, etc. Awareness is key.

This was insensitive but, and yes, I am using a but here, but, I think understanding why what was said was bad is more important than dragging down the person who said it. We’re not talking about a Steve King level of antisemitism.

My two cents.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:24:38am

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It became manslaughter because two children died because of his negligence.

merriam-webster.com

Then we deserve the police state we are in.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:30:07am

re: #67 MsJ

Then we deserve the police state we are in.

I do not see how killing two children (or anyone) due to negligence equals “police state.”

“Accident” is how gunshot deaths from negligence are framed (so folks can say “haven’t the parents suffered enough” when a child is killed).

Lit cigarettes are dangerous. They should be handled with care. Although fewer people (now) die in fires caused by negligent handling of cigarettes, people still die from it.

For just about any action where a person is negligent and someone is injured or dies because of it, they can be charged with a crime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:34:40am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🎃

some things cannot be helped, like an electric device shorting out. BUt lit cigarettes can be avoided or treated with care.

Or smoked outside, especially in a house with children in the first place.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:38:52am

I’m sure our stable genius president can handle this without difficulty.

Russia detains two North Korean vessels after one opens fire: reports (Reuters)

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian border guards have detained two North Korean boats in Russian territorial waters in the Sea of Japan after one of them attacked a Russian patrol, local media cited the Federal Security Service (FSB) as saying on Tuesday.

A Russian border patrol discovered two North Korean schooners and 11 motorboats fishing illegally off its far eastern coast and detained the first vessel, prompting the second one to open fire, the FSB was quoted as saying.

(more)

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Scout  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:40:08am

re: #61 MsJ

I actually have a huge problem with this. We are now criminalizing accidents? Was it reckless? Absolutely. But shit happens. Bad shit happens. Every hour of every day.

Criminalizing accidents is an exceptionally dangerous path.

Hear hear.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:41:18am

Off to work. Back later.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:47:11am

I honestly hope they throw Boris Johnson in prison over this.

On Sky News the lawyer Jolyon Maugham says the government’s remedy document that he disclosed (see 12.04pm) shows the government is considering continuing prorogation until 14 October, even if it loses. “That’s striking stuff,” he says.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:48:17am

re: #71 Scout

Hear hear.

Involuntary manslaughter has been in US law since the founding of the nation. It goes back to English common law.

From a law dictionary (emphasis mine):

Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another human being without intent. The absence of the intent element is the essential difference between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. Also in most states, involuntary manslaughter does not result from a heat of passion but from an improper use of reasonable care or skill while in the commission of a lawful act or while in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony.

All jurisdictions punish involuntary manslaughter in the USA and always have. The penalty varies by state, but every state requires imprisonment on conviction.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:50:31am

I realize Kerik is an asshole, but this is Reuters.

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steve_davis  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:51:58am

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

What?????

No Diamond And Silk?????

spot taken by PreKreme and Krook.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:52:10am

re: #75 MsJ

Yesterday Trump threw Netanyahu under a bus on Twitter, claiming he barely knew him. Watch how fast he reverses that position now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:52:32am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Involuntary manslaughter has been in US law since the founding of the nation. It goes back to English common law.

This also has to do with the cigarettes.

If a phone had shorted out, or the stove was left on, that would be an accident.

I believe that the courts and prosecutors are trying to set an example and send a message to other careless smokers out there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:53:22am

re: #75 MsJ

I realize Kerik is an asshole, but this is Reuters.

This is also from April, not today.

reuters.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:54:11am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This is also from April, not today.

reuters.com

?!?

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steve_davis  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:54:33am

re: #9 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

god, seriously. DON’T PICK IT UP. Not unless you want Wilford Brimley pulling his way out of your chest later tonight.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:58:11am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

?!?

I don’t know if the reporter linked the wrong article at Reuters, or he’s trying to throw FUD on Twitter to people who only read headlines.

At Reuters main world news page, there doesn’t appear to be an article “Netanyahu won.”

reuters.com (main world news page at Reuters)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 19, 2019 • 4:58:13am

re: #10 Cheechako

Is there ever a good time to watch the Designated Survivor series on Netflix? My wife and I have just started watching. It’s nice to see a President trying under difficult circumstances to do what’s right for the country while combating all the evil in the Government.

I can feel my blood pressure rise during every episode we watch.

We just started watching, too. And are having similar reactions.

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Weaselone  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:02:44am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It’s from April. I love all the “praise Jesus” in the responses, because apparently electing a criminal instead of a center right politician is essential and laudatory.

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steve_davis  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:09:28am

re: #18 Scout

What’s the mystery? That’s obviously an immature shoggoth.

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — Trump needs to go ASAP but my concern is that if this charge leads to his sudden departure now, the Republican Party will behave as though he was the single culprit and they will escape any repercussions because of our irresponsible both-siderism press.

If Trump turns out, with iron-clad evidence, to have committed treason, the Republican party will be done for a generation. They will literally crucify his enablers upside down. Pence will have to put a gun in his fucking mouth because no one will believe that he, McConnell, and Graham are not all, by their actions, hopelessly compromised.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:10:42am

re: #84 Weaselone

It’s from April. I love all the “praise Jesus” in the responses, because apparently electing a criminal instead of a center right politician is essential and laudatory.

No kidding. Apparently religious belief takes people’s reading skills away.

Even with all the people in that thread noting the article is from April, they’re still going.

Apparently the reporter can’t be arsed to correct or remove the tweet.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:12:08am

re: #39 austin_blue

There is much more than one useful idiot in Washington. The Red Scare in the early 50’s was a sham, but what we are dealing with today may actually be real.

I don’t want to go all “Commies infiltrating the gubmint!!”, but it does seem that there are people in high places who don’t have the best interests of our Democracy who are making decisions in high places.

Or I’m just paranoid.

Nope. We have people in power who think that keeping the power is more important than democracy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:17:47am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our family was fairly coarse in their language but I think they understood the distinction between what was acceptable in private and what was okay in public.

And that was also a long time ago: needless to say, what was accepted then is not necessarily acceptable now.

According to the article at nj dot com, the city council members in question are more concerned about how this leaked out of an executive session of city council rather than whether they should apologise for a slur.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:18:57am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🎃

According to the article at nj dot com, the city council members in question are more concerned about how this leaked out of an executive session of city council rather than whether they should apologise for a slur.

Now when something leaks about liberals, nobody is concerned about who leaked it…remember “climategate”?

it is language that is really not at all appropriate even for a closed session.

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steve_davis  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:19:26am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Involuntary manslaughter has been in US law since the founding of the nation. It goes back to English common law.

From a law dictionary (emphasis mine):

All jurisdictions punish involuntary manslaughter in the USA and always have. The penalty varies by state, but every state requires imprisonment on conviction.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

yeah, i kind of see the need for this, even though i think the father will obviously suffer in his mind more than prison can punish him. still, maybe it causes one person to have a conversation about smoking in the house and to thus avoid burning their house down, or an apartment complex.

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steve_davis  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:21:08am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I don’t know if the reporter linked the wrong article at Reuters, or he’s trying to throw FUD on Twitter to people who only read headlines.

At Reuters main world news page, there doesn’t appear to be an article “Netanyahu won.”

reuters.com (main world news page at Reuters)

Benny Gantz is, according the Washington Post, claiming victory and organizing a unity government.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:22:50am

re: #91 steve_davis

Benny Gantz is, according the Washington Post, claiming victory and organizing a unity government.

Checking up on the guy who put that on his Twitter feed, I mistakenly noted him as a reporter. He’s a former police commissioner in New York, and based on what he posts, a first-class wingnut.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:25:30am

re: #91 steve_davis

Benny Gantz is, according the Washington Post, claiming victory and organizing a unity government.

Live Updates Israel Election Results: Netanyahu Says He Wants Unity Government; Gantz: I Will Lead It (Haaretz)

Kahol Lavan MKs say they will sit with Netanyahu ■ Shaked says she isn’t sure she will join right-wing bloc ■ Gantz widens edge over Netanyahu as 98% of vote counted

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:34:06am

re: #39 austin_blue

There is much more than one useful idiot in Washington. The Red Scare in the early 50’s was a sham, but what we are dealing with today may actually be real.

I don’t want to go all “Commies infiltrating the gubmint!!”, but it does seem that there are people in high places who don’t have the best interests of our Democracy who are making decisions in high places.

Or I’m just paranoid.

Except that today’s Russians aren’t commies.

Other than that… it’s not paranoia when it’s really truly happening.

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:36:00am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First thing I did with my new Ford Ranger was to fill up a canister and then run it dry just to see how far I get on an empty needle. Just over 40 miles. Must not have had the music up loud enough…

The music was loud enough, it just wasn’t the right music.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:39:55am

VoteVets reminds people:

Three Simple Points:

1. We have no defense treaty with Saudis.

2. An attack on them is not an attack on us.

3. Therefore, any military action in response to this event, w/o a vote by Congress, is illegal.

Members of Congress should not give Trump cover to launch illegal wars.

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:48:40am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Checking up on the guy who put that on his Twitter feed, I mistakenly noted him as a reporter. He’s a former police commissioner in New York, and based on what he posts, a first-class wingnut.

Bernie Kerick was a super-crooked NY cop. He started his career as Giuliani’s driver, rose to commissioner. Bush almost appointed him head of DHS… until the scrutiny brought a whole lot of information into public view and Kerick ended up convicted of multiple federal crimes and going to prison.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:51:02am

re: #97 sagehen

Bernie Kerick was a super-crooked NY cop. He started his career as Giuliani’s driver, rose to commissioner. Bush almost appointed him head of DHS… until the scrutiny brought a whole lot of information into public view and Kerick ended up convicted of multiple federal crimes and going to prison.

Wow. I’m surprised Trump hasn’t appointed him to anything yet.

It sounds like a cattle stampede is going on outside my house. I hope they’re not armed. Hundreds (thousands?) of mooing cattle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:57:08am

re: #95 sagehen

The music was loud enough, it just wasn’t the right music.

it was fucking Exile on Main Street, I just did not have the right speakers

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jeffreyw  Sep 19, 2019 • 5:59:32am

Good morning!

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Citizen K  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:02:00am

In other news that is both galling and not-surprising….guess all that ‘video games are the problem’ might just be racially motivated. Who woulda thunk.

Video games have been wrongly blamed for all sorts of violent behavior, including mass shootings. A new report suggests that not only is that mistaken; it’s based on deep-seated assumptions about race.

The paper, published today in the journal Psychology of Popular Media Culture, draws its conclusions from a pair of experiments. In the first, researchers analyzed over 200,000 news articles about 204 mass shootings obtained from Stanford University’s Mass Shootings in America project over the last four decades. The other was a study in which 169 college students were asked to read fictionalized accounts of a shooting and then discuss what they thought caused it.

[…]

“Both of these studies showed that … we see interest and discussion of video games of white perpetrators, but we are more comfortable looking at other explanations for other minority groups,” says James Ivory, a researcher at Virginia Tech and one of the paper’s authors.

What’s going on? Ivory says it’s a lot more complicated than simple racism.

“There are a lot of us out there who think we don’t have a racist cell in our body, but we are comfortable looking at certain explanations [for violence and crime] over others,” he says.

(links from the original article)

Or put more succinctly here: Report Finds Media More Likely to Cite Video Games as Factor in Shootings When Suspect Is White

A new report, published Monday in the journal Psychology of Popular Media Culture (pdf), combines two experiments that come to similar conclusions: people are more likely to think video games triggered violent behavior if the suspect in question is white.

However, if the suspected shooter is black or Latinx, the assumption is that the violence is a result of their upbringing: the neighborhood they grew up in, or the way their family raised them.

What a surprise, the ‘video games are to blame’ deal is a way to absolve white kids of blame, a privilege not afforded to PoC, who get collective cultural blame for any time a violent crime is done. This is my shocked face.

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:07:44am

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:23:46am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹🎃

This is also from April, not today.

reuters.com

Oh thank goodness. I was just looking at the Latest on Twitter. Apparently Latest doesn’t really mean Latest.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:23:50am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:24:28am

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:24:34am

re: #85 steve_davis

If Trump turns out, with iron-clad evidence, to have committed treason, the Republican party will be done for a generation. They will literally crucify his enablers upside down. Pence will have to put a gun in his fucking mouth because no one will believe that he, McConnell, and Graham are not all, by their actions, hopelessly compromised.

You assume any republican will care about treason.

They won’t.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:25:35am
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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:28:00am

re: #106 MsJ

You assume any republican will care about treason.

They won’t.

The number of people who will suddenly abandon the GOP will be so huge we may have to make all of the people in the camps citizens just so we’ll have a place to out them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:28:32am

re: #85 steve_davis

If Trump turns out, with iron-clad evidence, to have committed treason, the Republican party will be done for a generation. They will literally crucify his enablers upside down. Pence will have to put a gun in his fucking mouth because no one will believe that he, McConnell, and Graham are not all, by their actions, hopelessly compromised.

They got away with junk bonding industries and shutting them down.
They got away with looting savings and loans.
They got away with Iran-Contra.
They got away with impeaching Clinton over a blow job.
They got away with lying us into a war that killed my son.
They got away with nearly sending us into another depression.
They got away with releasing racism when it came to Obama,
And they will get away with this too because the media is on their side.

Republicans can break any law they want because they are above the law.

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Citizen K  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:34:12am

Trump is making his vendetta for any part of California plain and simple. And because the courts are essentially in his pocket, he may get away with this targeted shit because nothing matters anymore.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:37:54am

re: #9 gocart mozart

Why is he touching it with his bare hands?!!

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:39:39am

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

Why is he touching it with his bare hands?!!

Because he’s a scientist. :) How else are we going to know if human skin would react badly to it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:45:12am

re: #106 MsJ

You assume any republican will care about treason.

They won’t.

They will simply redefine the term to mean “saying bad things about a GOP President”

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lizardofid  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:46:36am

Good morning to all!

I’m sure something has been posted about it already, but Ken Burns has released his documentary Country Music. I’ve been recording and watching on PBS, but for anyone interested, it can also be streamed (link below).

pbs.org

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lizardofid  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:49:22am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will simply redefine the term to mean “saying bad things about a GOP President”

Newspeak.

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Jay C  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:50:16am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #106 MsJ

You assume any republican will care about treason.

They won’t.

They will simply redefine the term to mean “saying bad things about a GOP President”

Or “anything a Democratic President does that we don’t like”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:52:00am

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:52:22am

re: #9 gocart mozart

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Wonder what it tastes like?

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:52:40am

re: #110 Citizen K

Trump is taking a dump on the environment literally and figuratively.

Trump is showing his authoritarian streak by going after his enemies and claiming that homelessness is some kind of environmental violation (it isn’t). All the while, enforcement actions by the EPA have all but stopped under Trump and he’s rolling back environmental protections for air and water quality, and he’s gutting fuel economy standards too.

Everything he’s doing is to maximize pollutants and spoiling the environment all because Obama made it tougher for people to pollute. The only ones to benefit from this are the polluters and the millionaires that own these polluters.

Coal miners don’t benefit from mines that pollute the water and air around them. They get stuck with all the long term effects, even as the mines close up because renewables are cheaper and cleaner.

There are roughly 50,000 coal miners nationwide. Overally, about 1 million work in fossil fuel industry.

There are 3.3 million people working in renewables.

So, Trump is pandering to coal miners while screwing the millions who work in the renewable energy industry.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:54:13am

re: #119 lawhawk

Miners will gladly vote for Trump even as he kills them.

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:55:22am
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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:56:06am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

some things cannot be helped, like an electric device shorting out. BUt lit cigarettes can be avoided or treated with care.

Or smoked outside, especially in a house with children in the first place.

Reasonable person standard

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:56:38am

re: #121 darthstar

Correction: Supposed billionaire.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:57:44am

Sun’s up … I’m off to bed. Catch y’all later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 6:58:52am

re: #122 DangerMan

Reasonable person standard

The prosecutor and judge were also sending a message to cigarette smokers to be much more careful and treat cigarettes as an avoidable fire hazard

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:01:31am

re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹

To own the libs…

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:02:26am

re: #123 MsJ

Correction: Supposed billionaire broke ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:08:37am

re: #126 Ace Rothstein

To own the libs…

there is more to it than that: it all hearkens back to a day when you didn’t need a fancy degree or nothin’ just hard, dirty work, and you could afford a house and a boat and/or a vacation home on the lake…and they are convinced that all DT has to do is remove all that pesky government health, safety and environmental regulation and the jobs will come flooding back

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:12:47am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is more to it than that: it all hearkens back to a day when you didn’t need a fancy degree or nothin’ just hard, dirty work, and you could afford a house and a boat and/or a vacation home on the lake…and they are convinced that all DT has to do is remove all that pesky government health, safety and environmental regulation and the jobs will come flooding back

They might. At salaries of $50.00 a week.

WINNING!

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:14:03am

re: #129 MsJ

They might. At salaries of $50.00 a week.

WINNING!

The mine owners are never going to turn the big machines off and let people do the mining, no matter how many regulations Trump undoes.

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:15:50am

re: #84 Weaselone

It’s from April. I love all the “praise Jesus” in the responses, because apparently electing a criminal instead of a center right politician is essential and laudatory.

When your foreign policy towards Israel is no more nuanced than “Israel must exist so Jesus can return,” then, yeah, this is what you get.

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Jay C  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:16:37am

re: #119 lawhawk

There are roughly 50,000 coal miners nationwide. Overall, about 1 million work in fossil fuel industry.

There are 3.3 million people working in renewables.

So, Trump is pandering to coal miners while screwing the millions who work in the renewable energy industry.

Well, yeah: but those coal miners and oilfield workers are all Real Decent Good Heartland American Folks (i.e. GOP voters) who deserve the best out of the economy; while “renewables” means “environmentalism” which means DFH Socialist Atheist Radicals Who Hate America And Everything It Stands For, so they don’t really count…

(//sarc, but sadly, not too much)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:18:00am
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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:18:39am

re: #119 lawhawk

Trump is taking a dump on the environment literally and figuratively.

Trump is showing his authoritarian streak by going after his enemies and claiming that homelessness is some kind of environmental violation (it isn’t). All the while, enforcement actions by the EPA have all but stopped under Trump and he’s rolling back environmental protections for air and water quality, and he’s gutting fuel economy standards too.

Everything he’s doing is to maximize pollutants and spoiling the environment all because Obama made it tougher for people to pollute. The only ones to benefit from this are the polluters and the millionaires that own these polluters.

Coal miners don’t benefit from mines that pollute the water and air around them. They get stuck with all the long term effects, even as the mines close up because renewables are cheaper and cleaner.

There are roughly 50,000 coal miners nationwide. Overally, about 1 million work in fossil fuel industry.

There are 3.3 million people working in renewables.

So, Trump is pandering to coal miners while screwing the millions who work in the renewable energy industry.

If they can’t stop renewables from ending coal, then it’ll be natural gas, and then oil. And then we’ll have people with no skills - oil company executives - without jobs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:20:14am
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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:20:49am

Trump’s Queens birthplace failed to sell, so it’s going to get auctioned.

Uh oh, looks like nobody wanted to buy the beautiful, magnificent, very classy Donald J. Trump Conception House in Queens — or at least, like nobody wanted to drop nearly $3 million on a comparatively modest, church-smelling five-bedroom. But everyone else’s loss may be your gain, because now the president’s childhood home is going up for auction.

Before you buckle down and prepare to bid on the property, 85-15 Wareham Place, you’ll probably want a tour. Let me tell you a bit more about your haunted house: Real estate company Paramount Realty USA describes it as a “traditional Tudor-style home in renowned Jamaica Estates,” which “features a brick & stucco exterior and an old world charm interior.” On top of a kitchen that looks like it hasn’t been renovated since Trump’s dad built the house ca. 1940, you’ll enjoy “arched doorways, hardwood floors, 5 bedrooms, 4.5 baths, library, living room with fireplace, formal dining room, basement, and more.”

Thing is that it’s listed for nearly 2x as much as comps according to Zillow.

No one is going to pay that kind of premium.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:23:58am

re: #129 MsJ

They might. At salaries of $50.00 a week.

WINNING!

because they don’t need unions, either!

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mmmirele  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:24:27am

re: #134 Belafon

If they can’t stop renewables from ending coal, then it’ll be natural gas, and then oil. And then we’ll have people with no skills - oil company executives - without jobs.

Not just oil company executives-but petroleum engineers like a young relative who makes a very good living estimating how much oil is still waiting to be extracted from a well. He obviously does not believe in glibal warming.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:26:27am

Surprising absolutely no one, the GOP and Trump are killing Trump’s “gun control” proposal.

They’re also killing the House passed gun control package, because it’d have teeth and do more to reduce gun violence than anything the GOP wants, mostly because it makes it harder to obtain guns, which is antithetical to the NRA, which wants easy access to guns, regardless of the societal costs (health, safety, public safety, safety of law enforcement, reduce mass casualty incidents, terrorism, criminal justice, etc.)

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:27:06am

re: #138 mmmirele

Not just oil company executives-but petroleum engineers like a young relative who makes a very good living estimating how much oil is still waiting to be extracted from a well. He obviously does not believe in glibal warming.

Probably not, but his skills could be transferred to determining optimal locations for turbines, no matter how much he grumbles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:27:23am
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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:29:09am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, no state fought to opt out of the Medicaid requirements of the ACA, which is why everyone has insurance right now. //

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:30:58am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

STATES’ RIGHTS 111!!11111!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:32:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:33:45am

more in Rachel’s thread

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Jay C  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:34:35am

re: #144 Ace Rothstein

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Dating Stephen Miller

Cut him in half, and count the rings?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:38:09am
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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:38:20am

re: #146 Jay C

Dating Stephen Miller

Cut him in half, and count the rings?

Mabye carbon dating, which will require putting him in a vacuum and observing him for a while.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:40:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:41:22am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:45:03am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:46:43am

re: #144 Ace Rothstein

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So it’s an incel…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:52:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:56:10am

good fucking grief

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b.d.  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:58:03am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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Of course our guys might be listening to all of Putin’s calls, it’s not their fault Donnie calls him all of the time….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:58:06am
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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 7:58:49am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

We’re well beyond believing it at this point.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:00:28am

Purdue files for bankruptcy and will pay $34 million in bonuses to executives…

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retired cynic  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:08:39am

re: #90 steve_davis

yeah, i kind of see the need for this, even though i think the father will obviously suffer in his mind more than prison can punish him. still, maybe it causes one person to have a conversation about smoking in the house and to thus avoid burning their house down, or an apartment complex.

To me it is related to the “no gun death is an accident” logic that we use, h/t Stonekettle. If that is so, this has to be so. If this is so, then the same should be applied to gun “accidents.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:11:39am

re: #140 Belafon

Probably not, but his skills could be transferred to determining optimal locations for turbines, no matter how much he grumbles.

they have skills that can be transferred, that is the point

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:13:10am

re: #158 Joe Bacon 🌹

Purdue files for bankruptcy and will pay $34 million in bonuses to executives…

We have removed Moral Hazard as a guiding force in our economic system…this is another blatant example of Enron Capitalism

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:16:24am

re: #104 Belafon

Armchairshrink 🌐
@armchairshrink
* 13h
Replying to @armchairshrink
Let’s go through the dumb shit ppl have believed:

-Superdelegates would save us
-Jill Stein’s recount would save us
-Something something court enmoulments
-25th Amendment
-Mueller
-Impeachment

It’s all fantasy. In Sept 2019 voting is the fastest and most likely way out.

while this is true
investigations and oversight also need to be done. it’s not an either/or

truth/ uncovering what is actually happening and happened must see the light of day

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plansbandc  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:17:27am

re: #114 lizardofid

It’s fantastic!

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:22:36am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@SecElaineChao says The One National Program “will ensure that there is one, and only one, set of national fuel economy standards…No state has the authority to opt out of the nation’s rules and no state has the right to impose its policies everybody else.”

im not aware that any state is imposing its policies on everybody else

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:24:10am

re: #146 Jay C

Dating Stephen Miller

Cut him in half, and count the rings?

you win.
take the rest of the day off

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:33:43am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:34:39am

re: #164 DangerMan

im not aware that any state is imposing its policies on everybody else

Demonkrats impose regulation and policy by getting manufacturers to agree to standards that may affect a rethugs ally in the KSA by decreasing oil needs.

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Citizen K  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:36:17am

re: #164 DangerMan

im not aware that any state is imposing its policies on everybody else

California is enforcing its policies on all its bordering states by having its cleaner air drift over the border. How dare they.

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:37:13am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
….Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially “heavily populated” call. I would only do what is right anyway, and only do good for the USA!

yup
i am ‘dumb’ enough to believe it

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:37:42am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Demonkrats impose regulation and policy by getting manufacturers to agree to standards that may affect a rethugs ally in the KSA by decreasing oil needs.

“that’s not writing, that’s just typing” ;-)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:40:42am

re: #164 DangerMan

im not aware that any state is imposing its policies on everybody else

They are pissed off that California influences the market because it is so large

Like Texas does with its choice of school textbooks…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:40:48am

re: #169 DangerMan

yup
i am ‘dumb’ enough to believe it

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makeitstop  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:42:39am
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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:45:17am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are pissed off that California influences the market because it is so large

Like Texas does with its choice of school textbooks…

big companies, organizations, states, stakeholders have influence
whodathunkit?

oh wait. kinda like the nra? nah. ‘that’s different.’

still. chao was clear. she said “impose”.
she’s gonna have to substantiate that (yeah right)

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:50:43am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:50:50am

First there was dingbat Del Bigtree wearing a yellow Star of David to compare the “plight” of antivaxxers to that of Jews in Nazi Germany.

Now we have antivaxxers singing “We Shall Overcome” in the California state legislature and comparing their “plight” to that of Jim Crow today.

36 Karens Agree: Requiring Schoolkids To Be Vaccinated Is EXACTLY Like Jim Crow (Wonkette)

I imagine Stacy Abrams would have a thing or two to say to these dipshits as she grew up in a sharecropper family in the actual Jim Crow.

Even Mississippi has had mandatory vaccinations for freakin’ decades, and they were at the heart of Jim Crow. I imagine African-Americans were a lot more concerned about other things Mississippi was doing besides requiring their children receive vaccines if it there was no medical indication against them.

How about if we send these women to pick cotton or tobacco for weeks on end for little or no pay and ban them from spaces reserved for whites for a few months, so they can see what Jim Crow actually was?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:52:16am

probably his unsecure cellphone, too.

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Skip Intro  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:52:27am

re: #106 MsJ

You assume any republican will care about treason.

They won’t.

Neither will the media, unless they can find a way to “both sides” it.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:53:04am

Ew…

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:54:00am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they have skills that can be transferred, that is the point

Modern miners would have been exposed to automated equipment and other tools, skills which would also be transferrable, if they wanted. That’s the real think, being willing to transfer.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:54:01am

re: #169 DangerMan

yup
i am ‘dumb’ enough to believe it

Me too! dur dur!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 19, 2019 • 8:59:08am

Idle speculation: I’m wondering if the IC whistle-blower learned about Trump’s promise from a mole placed on the other side, and not directly from a phone or personal conversation. Trump and his flying monkeys are trying hard to implant the strawman that this could only happen from a monitored phone conversation, and is therefore unlikely.

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:04:36am

re: #182 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Idle speculation: I’m wondering if the IC whistle-blower learned about Trump’s promise from a mole placed on the other side, and not directly from a phone or personal conversation. Trump and his flying monkeys are trying hard to implant the strawman that this could only happen from a monitored phone conversation, and is therefore unlikely.

- this is why things get ‘investigated’
- to determine what is true and what is not
- or whether the investigation itself was in fact a witch hunt
- (it does happen, though that conculsion cant be reached until after the investigation is over and the investigation itself is analyzed. not on day one of the accusation)

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plansbandc  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:07:09am

re: #100 jeffreyw

They are so cute!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:07:24am

re: #175 DodgerFan1988

FOX News just called the KKK a “conservative group” after PayPal banned them

Because Fascism and White Supremacism are being mainstreamed to be seen merely as points along the accepted political spectrum and not as things that stand outside and opposed to everything America stands for.

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retired cynic  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:07:50am

Washington Monthly, by Jeff Hauser and Eleanor Eagan: The Kitchen-Table Case for Impeaching Trump

…the logical next question is: can impeachment succeed? The answer is a resounding yes. But getting there will require a strategic reorientation away from a sluggish and legalistic examination of Trump’s offenses via recalcitrant witnesses and toward a broader consideration of how his systemic abuses of power have materially hurt regular people.

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plansbandc  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:10:10am

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I told dude about this yesterday and oh boy did he go into an impressive rant.

Anti-science stuff really tap dances on his last nerve.

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plansbandc  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:13:33am

I had no idea Terry Bradshaw was a wiener fan. He has 9!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:14:30am

Opened my E-mail account.

Hey, I got spam in Arabic. Never got that before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:14:34am

re: #187 plansbandc

I told dude about this yesterday and oh boy did he go into an impressive rant.

Anti-science stuff really tap dances on his last nerve.

That was one thing that impressed me about this site some twelve years ago when I first came here (while it was still rather politically conservative): even back then this site had very little time or tolerance for creationists or science deniers. Even the climate change debate was not primarily an ideological one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:15:08am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Opened my E-mail account.

Hey, I got spam in Arabic. Never got that before.

maps

(they write from right to left)

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:15:35am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because Fascism and White Supremacism are being mainstreamed to be seen merely as points along the accepted political spectrum and not as things that stand outside and opposed to everything America stands for.

[Wingnut]But, but, there part of the Democrat party.[/wungnut]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:16:50am

re: #192 Belafon

[Wingnut]But, but, there part of the Democrat party.[/wungnut]

wungnut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:24:27am
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makeitstop  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:26:40am

Gonna be hearing a lot of that from Republicans today, I’ll bet.

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KGxvi  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:28:43am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wungnut?

That’s when the gravitational pull of then derptitude is so strong it bends the “i”

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KGxvi  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:29:30am

re: #195 makeitstop

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Gonna be hearing a lot of that from Republicans today, I’ll bet.

It’s either that or “well, fuck”

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:32:47am

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Jay C  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:34:17am

re: #186 retired cynic

Washington Monthly, by Jeff Hauser and Eleanor Eagan: The Kitchen-Table Case for Impeaching Trump

I dunno: reading this article, all I can think is that hoping to gin up public support for impeaching Trump over “kitchen-table” issues is as useless a waste of time as anything I can think of. First, Trump and the GOP have pretty much hijacked the public/media narrative on virtually every political issue - fixating on stuff like healthcare costs or Trump’s Executive-Order despotism (important as it is) can all-too-easily be dismissed as “mere politics”- or else run up against that unyielding iron wall of RW media revisionism: and the unshakable (for all too many voters) conviction that Trump/GOP policies do NOT, - EVER - harm “regular people” (i.e. white middle-class wage-earners), but in fact, are designed to harm only the “undeserving:, i.e. Those People: the hurt of which is, in fact, the (disgracefully) applauded aim of said policies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:36:32am

re: #199 Jay C

Agreed. I don’t like it but I think it’s time to fight fire with fire. Dems have to start playing sound bite politics. That’s getting to be the only language the public understands and the media promotes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:42:26am

The NRA has a meme out saying Beto O’Rourke is the “AR-15 salesman of the month.”

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:45:29am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The NRA has a meme out saying Beto O’Rourke is the “AR-15 salesman of the month.”

Really? Guess they didn’t get the memo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:45:55am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:51:00am

re: #202 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Really? Guess they didn’t get the memo.

I saw that at a different site, a blog about firearms:

Colt Halts Production of Long Guns for the Retail Market (goes to The Truth about Firearms)

There are a number of updates as the writers of the blog try to confirm details about the announcement, leading to this:

FURTHER UPDATE - 9/19/2019: Colt has issued the following statement on their web site:

Company Response to Questions about Colt Participation in Consumer Markets

WEST HARTFORD, Conn. (September 19th, 2019) - There have been numerous articles recently published about Colt’s participation in the commercial rifle market. Some of these articles have incorrectly stated or implied that Colt is not committed to the consumer market. We want to assure you that Colt is committed to the Second Amendment, highly values its customers and continues to manufacture the world’s finest quality firearms for the consumer market.

The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity. Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future.

(more at the above link; the full statement at Colt is here)

Company Response to Questions about Colt Participation in Consumer Markets (goes to Colt’s corporate news release page)

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Jay C  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:57:11am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. I don’t like it but I think it’s time to fight fire with fire. Dems have to start playing sound bite politics. That’s getting to be the only language the public understands and the media promotes.

Quite true: going after Trump over niggling regulatory stuff may be “constitutionally” sound, but the only thing that (IMO) is going to move the “approve of impeachment” needle off its current 45-48 standstill is something big, splashy and simple-to-comprehend. Like with Bill Clinton 20 years ago: the public was titillated no end by all the blowjob-in-the-White-House scandalmongering - but didn’t say much until the GOP got him on the simple, splashy, easy-to-comprehend charge of (provably) “lying to a Federal Grand Jury”.
It didn’t work with Clinton, though: but the big difference I see was that back then, the WH and Congressional Dems weren’t as corruptly dedicated to hysterical defense and denialism of the President’s conduct like today’s vile Admin and GOP gang are.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 19, 2019 • 9:57:56am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yet the gun nuts will see something more nefarious than a dwindling market share/glut.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:00:54am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Legit crying here.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:02:31am

re: #61 MsJ

I actually have a huge problem with this. We are now criminalizing accidents? Was it reckless? Absolutely. But shit happens. Bad shit happens. Every hour of every day.

Criminalizing accidents is an exceptionally dangerous path.

He was also highly intoxicated AND smoke detectors were either disconnected or removed. So involuntary manslaughter seems totally appropriate. At one time, it was legal to drink and drive — but those days have passed. He was totally irresponsible and his children suffered because of that.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:03:08am

re: #205 Jay C

Quite true: going after Trump over niggling regulatory stuff may be “constitutionally” sound, but the only thing that (IMO) is going to move the “approve of impeachment” needle off its current 45-48 standstill is something big, splashy and simple-to-comprehend. Like with Bill Clinton 20 years ago: the public was titillated no end by all the blowjob-in-the-White-House scandalmongering - but didn’t say much until the GOP got him on the simple, splashy, easy-to-comprehend charge of (provably) “lying to a Federal Grand Jury”.
It didn’t work with Clinton, though: but the big difference I see was that back then, the WH and Congressional Dems weren’t as corruptly dedicated to hysterical defense and denialism of the President’s conduct like today’s vile Admin and GOP gang are.

Just like with everything…capitalism is only ok if they agree with it. Supporting emerging technologies vs coal? Bad, even if the former is far more market driven and has more workers impacted.

Right wing people don’t believe in markets or the constitution or anything unless it agrees with their point of view (at that moment, because it, too, is fungible).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:04:58am

re: #206 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Yet the gun nuts will see something more nefarious than a dwindling market share/glut.

I recall the nonsense hullaboo a few years ago when wingnuts were claiming that the Social Security Administration was buying up hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition for some nefarious purpose (rather than wingnuts doing it because a ni*CLANG was elected to the White House).

Here in my town, where our gun shop owner is retiring due to advancing Parkinson’s Disease, it appears that there is no one interested in purchasing his business to continue it. Additionally it would appear no one in his family is interested in running the gun shop either. If nothing changes, it will close for good.

He does not sell rifles like the AR-15 or similar firearms. His biggest business is ammunition for hunters, and firearms appropriate for hunting (such as bolt-action rifles and shotguns). He also sells pistols.

His shop is now “by appointment only” as he is trying to wind up his business. (He called me yesterday though asking if I wanted to buy another shotgun.)

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:05:44am

re: #205 Jay C

Quite true: going after Trump over niggling regulatory stuff may be “constitutionally” sound, but the only thing that (IMO) is going to move the “approve of impeachment” needle off its current 45-48 standstill is something big, splashy and simple-to-comprehend. Like with Bill Clinton 20 years ago: the public was titillated no end by all the blowjob-in-the-White-House scandalmongering - but didn’t say much until the GOP got him on the simple, splashy, easy-to-comprehend charge of (provably) “lying to a Federal Grand Jury”.
It didn’t work with Clinton, though: but the big difference I see was that back then, the WH and Congressional Dems weren’t as corruptly dedicated to hysterical defense and denialism of the President’s conduct like today’s vile Admin and GOP gang are.

“If you’d impeach over lying about a blue dress how do you not impeach over lying about _____________”

Insert national security, theft, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, etc.

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:06:21am

re: #206 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Yet the gun nuts will see something more nefarious than a dwindling market share/glut.

Then they should buy more //

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:06:27am

re: #211 DangerMan

“If you’d impeach over lying about a blue dress how do you not impeach over lying about _____________”

Insert national security, theft, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, etc.

+50

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dell*nix  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:06:33am

re: #136 lawhawk

Do not take a cadaver dog into the basement.

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:06:46am

re: #207 MsJ

Legit crying here.

I thought it was the onions

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:07:42am

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

He was also highly intoxicated AND smoke detectors were either disconnected or removed. So involuntary manslaughter seems totally appropriate. At one time, it was legal to drink and drive — but those days have passed. He was totally irresponsible and his children suffered because of that.

I get what you and others are saying. I agree to a point.

Here’s my big, huge, gigantic issue with how we are criminalizing everything: we’re criminalizing miscarriages, as one example. The slope slips and slides away and innocent people get swept away with it.

I am not saying this guys is innocent. Not by a long shot. What I read did not say anything about his being drunk or smoke detectors being disabled. Perhaps I missed it. That changes things a little. But I still feel very uncomfortable with criminalizing accidents.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:08:14am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wungnut?

Trying to do it manually from my phone.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:08:32am

re: #195 makeitstop

It’ll leak out, guaranteed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:08:59am

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They buy ammunition for our office guards every year. Why? Because several of them have been shot and a couple killed by assholes…

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:09:10am

re: #215 DangerMan

I thought it was the onions

In my case…it could be dust, or sunset, or freaking anything. I cry at everything. I am a total sap.

And I absolutely hate that about myself.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:09:56am

re: #198 DangerMan

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As the people on the left begin laying boards down to bridge the gap, the people on the right lay down covering fire so they can push the boards off.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:10:11am

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

It’ll leak out, guaranteed.

This one would be a big deal if leaked as it was a closed door national security session. The leaker would likely wind up in prison before this shit of a president.

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Citizen K  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:11:42am

re: #211 DangerMan

“If you’d impeach over lying about a blue dress how do you not impeach over lying about _____________”

Insert national security, theft, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, etc.

Easy. It was never about the actual dress, the affair or even lying under oath.

Clinton was impeached for being a Dem. The rest was window dressing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:12:19am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The NRA has a meme out saying Beto O’Rourke is the “AR-15 salesman of the month.”

In that case, he is following in the great Obama tradition.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:12:39am

re: #222 MsJ

This one would be a big deal if leaked as it was a closed door national security session. The leaker would likely wind up in prison before this shit of a president.

You know I think the complainant knew this was a distinct possibility and STILL chose to speak out. That ought to tell you something.

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makeitstop  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:13:23am

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

It’ll leak out, guaranteed.

I think it will, too. They’re already losing the fight to keep a lid on it, and maybe this is where the intel community simply runs out of fucks to give and lays it all out, one way or another.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:14:15am

re: #221 Belafon

It wasn’t the Democrats that made it so that conservative states wouldn’t adopt all of the provisions of the ACA.

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makeitstop  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:14:53am

re: #220 MsJ

In my case…it could be dust, or sunset, or freaking anything. I cry at everything. I am a total sap.

And I absolutely hate that about myself.

No shame in that at all, J.

Jimmy Stewart once said ‘I’ll cry at a good steak.’ I can relate to that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:15:14am

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:15:50am

re: #216 MsJ

I get what you and others are saying. I agree to a point.

Here’s my big, huge, gigantic issue with how we are criminalizing everything: we’re criminalizing miscarriages, as one example. The slope slips and slides away and innocent people get swept away with it.

I am not saying this guys is innocent. Not by a long shot. What I read did not say anything about his being drunk or smoke detectors being disabled. Perhaps I missed it. That changes things a little. But I still feel very uncomfortable with criminalizing accidents.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment
Though as has been said, many things called accidents, upon investigstion, aren’t.

As a word we use accident a lot.
When lack of specific intention meets carelessness the fact that something wasn’t deliberate no longer matters (imo)

Two cars hitting is a crash. Usually traceable to driver action or inaction. almost never a chance occurrence even though it want ‘intended’

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:17:23am

re: #205 Jay C

Quite true: going after Trump over niggling regulatory stuff may be “constitutionally” sound, but the only thing that (IMO) is going to move the “approve of impeachment” needle off its current 45-48 standstill is something big, splashy and simple-to-comprehend. Like with Bill Clinton 20 years ago: the public was titillated no end by all the blowjob-in-the-White-House scandalmongering - but didn’t say much until the GOP got him on the simple, splashy, easy-to-comprehend charge of (provably) “lying to a Federal Grand Jury”.
It didn’t work with Clinton, though: but the big difference I see was that back then, the WH and Congressional Dems weren’t as corruptly dedicated to hysterical defense and denialism of the President’s conduct like today’s vile Admin and GOP gang are.

The difference with the Clinton impeachment is that most Americans thought impeachment over a consensual affair with an adult was ridiculous in the first place. And it didn’t help the Republican cause when the Speaker of the House resigned from the House as did his anointed successor Livingston because they both admitted to adultery. Technically, yes, Clinton was impeached for perjury but most of the country did not share that view.

Republicans are totally fine with Trump’s regulatory steps — they are all in favor of poisoning the water, poisoning the air, poisoning the food, and killing Americans, if it helps the bottom line. The Trump agenda is the GOP agenda (except perhaps for FP) . The presstitutes won’t support an impeachment based on regulatory overreach.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:17:56am

re: #216 MsJ

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I am not saying this guys is innocent. Not by a long shot. What I read did not say anything about his being drunk or smoke detectors being disabled. Perhaps I missed it. That changes things a little. But I still feel very uncomfortable with criminalizing accidents.

I still see it as negligence, not an accident.

I’m a smoker. If I’m tired, I do not smoke.

Put this a different way: Instead of burning down his own house, he was a visitor at someone else’s house. Instead of killing his own children through negligence, he killed someone else’s.

Does he still get off for an “accident?” If the answer is “yes,” I’m not sure we can come to an agreement here, any more than negligent handling of a firearm.

If he doesn’t get off for killing someone else’s children, then the XIV Amendment applies (equal treatment under the law - someone else’s children have more rights to life than his own children).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:18:01am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:18:56am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:18:57am

re: #223 Citizen K

Easy. It was never about the actual dress, the affair or even lying under oath.

Clinton was impeached for being a Dem. The rest was window dressing.

Sure
But to the mass of uninvolved people, it’s a simple way to frame it
Easy for them to understand

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:19:52am

re: #212 DangerMan

Then they should buy more //

They probably will.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:20:00am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I saw that at a different site, a blog about firearms:

Colt Halts Production of Long Guns for the Retail Market (goes to The Truth about Firearms)

There are a number of updates as the writers of the blog try to confirm details about the announcement, leading to this:

(more at the above link; the full statement at Colt is here)

Company Response to Questions about Colt Participation in Consumer Markets (goes to Colt’s corporate news release page)

The problem for Colt is that dozens of companies make AR-15s. Many of these, like Bushmaster of Sandy Hook infamy, specialize in people-killer guns and take an in-your-face ammosexual marketing stance. Colt is a highly diversified company with many different interests, and such an attitude would be inimical to those other interests. It is also likely that the myriad companies involved have over-produced in anticipation of panic-driven spikes in demand like we have seen in the past. They may now have large backlogs of un-sold rifles.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:20:28am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:20:55am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:21:36am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:22:02am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I still see it as negligence, not an accident.

I’m a smoker. If I’m tired, I do not smoke.

leaving the stove on is a bit careless but still can be seen as an accident as we all need to eat

an electrical short circuit is an accident as we all use electricity in the course of daily life

but being careless with a cigarette is a step beyond a mere accident

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:22:26am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I still see it as negligence, not an accident.

I’m a smoker. If I’m tired, I do not smoke.

Put this a different way: Instead of burning down his own house, he was a visitor at someone else’s house. Instead of killing his own children through negligence, he killed someone else’s.

Does he still get off for an “accident?” If the answer is “yes,” I’m not sure we can come to an agreement here, any more than negligent handling of a firearm.

If he doesn’t get off for killing someone else’s children, then the XIV Amendment applies (equal treatment under the law - someone else’s children have more rights to life than his own children).

+1

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:23:24am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:24:37am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

You know I think the complainant knew this was a distinct possibility and STILL chose to speak out. That ought to tell you something.

Oh, it does. Absolutely. I am just saying that leaking outside of the congressional behind-closed-doors is a BFD. That he whistleblew to congress is an entirely different matter.

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MsJ  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:25:56am

re: #228 makeitstop

No shame in that at all, J.

Jimmy Stewart once said ‘I’ll cry at a good steak.’ I can relate to that.

I have personal issues with it. My ex husband used to tease me when I would cry (not in a mean way…he didn’t know how to deal with my crying). And I *hated* it. So I try really fucking hard to never cry.

And I fail miserably. Too often.

Meeting time! Cheers!

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Dread Pirate  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:30:17am
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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:33:44am

re: #245 MsJ

I have personal issues with it. My ex husband used to tease me when I would cry (not in a mean way…he didn’t know how to deal with my crying). And I *hated* it. So I try really fucking hard to never cry.

And I fail miserably. Too often.

Meeting time! Cheers!

Opinion of a stranger:. Don’t try

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:35:25am

re: #242 DangerMan

+1

I worked for an armored car company while I was in grad school. We always worked in pairs, with one in back with the money and the other driving. We switched off every few hours. One day while I was driving, the other guard was smoking in the back and started a smoldering fire in a canvas money bag. We couldn’t find the source immediately and I pulled over to the side of the road to check the bags individually. We soon found it and used a douse of coffee to extinguish the fire. It had 80K dollars in it and a two inch hole burned near the top. On the way into town, we passed a McDonald’s and I told the guard, “Well, we might as well stop and put in our applications here because we are through with this business.” We got to the bank and sheepishly presented the damaged bag to the vault manager. She opened it and, to our amazement and relief, found that none of the cash was even singed. She tossed the bag and gave us a break by not reporting the incident.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:35:27am

re: #246 Dread Pirate

So this is a Reuters article. Why is our media not covering the deaths due to our military actions under Trump on a regular basis?

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DangerMan  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:35:39am

re: #246 Dread Pirate

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Saudi Arabia we had figured out in an hour
This will take two years

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:36:15am

re: #247 DangerMan

Opinion of a stranger:. Don’t try

Seconded.

Crying is healthy. I hate the whole macho idea that “Real men never cry”.

Fuck that. I cry over stuff. I cry when people and pets die. I cry sometimes when I have a bad day and I cry happy tears when I hear my little goddaughter tell me she loves me.

That’s having emotions. That’s being a human. And it makes me no less of a fucking man than I was yesterday.

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:36:40am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

You know I think the complainant knew this was a distinct possibility and STILL chose to speak out. That ought to tell you something.

Reminder: Daniel Ellsberg absolutely expected to spend the rest of his life in prison for what he leaked. He did it anyway, because he thought it was important enough to be worth it. He did not expect, nobody could have expected, the subsequent events that got his case thrown out.

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gocart mozart  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:40:50am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:41:39am

re: #252 sagehen

Reminder: Daniel Ellsberg absolutely expected to spend the rest of his life in prison for what he leaked. He did it anyway, because he thought it was important enough to be worth it. He did not expect, nobody could have expected, the subsequent events that got his case thrown out.

Did the Congressional Committee get the information that they were entitled to in this morning’s hearing? Or was it just another stonewalling by the administration and its flunkies?

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:42:23am

re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

Because a white man is President.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:44:47am

re: #253 gocart mozart

Now… if Kurt Russell and John Carpenter weigh in… we are well and truly fucked.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:47:38am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:49:17am

re: #257 lawhawk

Wow. Reed is only 47. Wonder what happened?

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:51:42am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe he got the diabeatus.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:52:01am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:52:11am

re: #257 lawhawk

I see the evil socialist health care system is rushing to his rescue.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:53:11am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. Reed is only 47. Wonder what happened?

Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:53:54am

re: #262 Ace Rothstein

Trump.

You’d think that, but Reed is a Republican, so…

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:55:09am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, he was about to go on Fox Business. Sorry, he looked at Lou Dobbs and thought he saw a corpse, and then he fainted.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:56:44am

If America will never be a socialist country, how did the highways get here?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:56:53am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

You’d think that, but Reed is a Republican, so…

It cannot be anything heart-related because he has no heart.

From Wikipedia:

Reed focused on ending government spending towards needed social services and supported budget amendments that eliminated government funding for necessary projects, including a sewer system in Tijuana, Mexico.[31] He voted to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which significantly benefitted his family through successful suits against constituents who could not afford to pay their healthcare bills, and supported the Budget Control Act of 2011.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:57:45am

re: #265 Ace Rothstein

They were built by the lowest competitive bidder.

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jaunte  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:57:53am

re: #265 Ace Rothstein

Just softening up the rubes for the Social Security IS Socialism campaign.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:59:10am
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 19, 2019 • 10:59:36am

re: #267 Shropshire Slasher

Who paid the contractor(s)?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:00:01am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:06:59am

re: #265 Ace Rothstein

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If America will never be a socialist country, how did the highways get here?

Nazis were socialist…says right in their party name. Social Security? That ain’t socialist and don’t fuck with it!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:07:36am

re: #151 lawhawk

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If Donald Trump were any more transparent, a bird would fly into him….

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:08:26am

Remembered what the Right did with Valerie Plame.

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jaunte  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:09:34am

Well, it’s floodin’ down in Texas…

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:21:19am
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CleverToad  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:52:56am

re: #229 The Pie Overlord!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2019 • 11:59:07am

re: #275 jaunte

Well, it’s floodin’ down in Texas…

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