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1
Disloyal Archangel  Sep 22, 2019 • 8:07:59pm

Well… sh*t…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 22, 2019 • 8:11:04pm

The UK Guardian has live updates on the Cook collapse at the link:

theguardian.com

Transport secretary Grant Shapps announced the Government and CAA has hired dozens of charter planes to fly customers home free of charge.

In a statement, the Department for Transport (DfT) said all customers currently abroad with Thomas Cook who are booked to return to the UK over the next two weeks will be brought home as close as possible to their booked return date.

Thomas Cook package holiday customers will also see the cost of their accommodation covered by the Government, through the Air Travel Trust Fund or Atol scheme, the DfT said.

Shapps said: “Thomas Cook’s collapse is very sad news for staff and holidaymakers. The Government and UK CAA is working round the clock to help people.

“Our contingency planning has helped acquire planes from across the world - some from as far away as Malaysia - and we have put hundreds of people in call centres and at airports.

“But the task is enormous, the biggest peacetime repatriation in UK history. So there are bound to be problems and delays.

“Please try to be understanding with the staff who are trying to assist in what is likely to be a very difficult time for them as well.”

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mmmirele  Sep 22, 2019 • 8:22:35pm

From Reddit’s r/LeopardsAteMyFace (aka the home of the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party):

*snicker*

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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2019 • 8:42:42pm

re: #3 mmmirele

It’ll be super-extra-zany weird if Fuckface Von Clownstick loses a national election because of his vape policy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2019 • 8:56:00pm

Well, Boris Johnson is in for one hell of a day.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:12:37pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

Malaysian planes? OMFG. I foresee trouble.

At best, this is an enormous expense the country cannot easily slough off. And somebody needs to find the right Dunkirk joke to suit the circumstances…

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:16:06pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

The UK Guardian has live updates on the Cook collapse at the link:

theguardian.com

Transport secretary Grant Shapps announced the Government and CAA has hired dozens of charter planes to fly customers home free of charge.

In a statement, the Department for Transport (DfT) said all customers currently abroad with Thomas Cook who are booked to return to the UK over the next two weeks will be brought home as close as possible to their booked return date.

Thomas Cook package holiday customers will also see the cost of their accommodation covered by the Government, through the Air Travel Trust Fund or Atol scheme, the DfT said.

Shapps said: “Thomas Cook’s collapse is very sad news for staff and holidaymakers. The Government and UK CAA is working round the clock to help people.

“Our contingency planning has helped acquire planes from across the world - some from as far away as Malaysia - and we have put hundreds of people in call centres and at airports.

“But the task is enormous, the biggest peacetime repatriation in UK history. So there are bound to be problems and delays.

“Please try to be understanding with the staff who are trying to assist in what is likely to be a very difficult time for them as well.”

“Let’s go to Cabo! It’ll be great, love! Just tickety-boo!”

Last time it was an Icelandic pain-in-the-ash volcanic eruption (We got stuck in Scotland by that one). Now it is the failure of the largest charter airline in the UK.

Thank dog Brexit had nothing to do with it!

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mmmirele  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:26:19pm

re: #7 austin_blue

“Let’s go to Cabo! It’ll be great, love! Just tickety-boo!”

Last time it was an Icelandic pain-in-the-ash volcanic eruption (We got stuck in Scotland by that one). Now it is the failure of the largest charter airline in the UK.

Thank dog Brexit had nothing to do with it!

Actually, the uncertainty around Brexit may have deep-sixed any chance of Thomas Cook being able to put together a rescue package. (gives austin_blue a handful of /////)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:30:16pm

re: #8 mmmirele

Actually, the uncertainty around Brexit may have deep-sixed any chance of Thomas Cook being able to put together a rescue package. (gives austin_blue a handful of /////)

There were many factors that led to the Thomas Cook bankruptcy - a K2-sized mountain of debt being one of them - but Brexit-related uncertainty was the icing on the cake.

And here we are.

OK - off to work. Back later today.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:34:17pm

Still recovering from my Mac crash.

I have seven email addresses that I use… hard to keep track of them.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:34:52pm

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

A lot of things are going to fail as the UK hard crashes out of the EU.

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:36:33pm

re: #8 mmmirele

Actually, the uncertainty around Brexit may have deep-sixed any chance of Thomas Cook being able to put together a rescue package. (gives austin_blue a handful of /////)

I deserved that, I thought it would be obvious. Leaving the EU would crush TC because of the increase in landing fees they would incur.

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:49:30pm

150,000 people Britons are stranded by Thomas Cook, 600,000 people overall. I hear there are a lot of 737-MAX airplanes available to help move them towards the UK.

///

There, that’s better.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2019 • 9:57:08pm

I’m so tired of this shit.

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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:00:47pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:02:45pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

I’m so tired of this shit.

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He needs to airlock a shitpot of people in his feed. They are trolls, many of them from St. Pete, and I ain’t talking about Florida.

The Russkies never sleep.

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mmmirele  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:13:15pm

I managed to upset a bunch of people I normally ally with on sexual abuse issues by stating my considered opinion that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist. I carefully pointed out that I did not doubt sexual abuse happens, it’s just there is simply no evidence to support the grandiose claims of SRA proponents.

I’d note that Barbara is wrong on the origins of “conspiracy theory,” which apparently was first used in the 1800s but really entered the language after JFK’s assassination, and was specifically related to that event. Not to child sexual abuse.

Oh well. I’m not here to make people happy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:14:26pm

Hi.

Christian privilege lives in the United Kingdom.

Pharmacist, 70, posed as boy’s mother to have him circumcised against parents’ wishes (Goes to The Evening Standard)

The pharmacist was baby-sitting, and found an uncircumcised boy to be an affront to her Christian faith. She found someone to pose as a father, kidnapped the child, and took him to a Jewish mohel to avoid the National Health Service (which would have checked to see if they were actually the parents).

Obi-Uzom booked the procedure in Golders Green then lied on the consent form to trick the mohel.

“What is unusual is that the harm caused can be caused lawfully, when it is with consent,” said Mr Mably.

The court heard Obi-Uzom believed circumcision in boys had “great religious and cultural significance”, in accordance with her Christian faith (bold mine).

John Femi-Ola, mitigating, said Obi-Uzom had built up her pharmacy business after moving to the UK from Nigeria and it was now in peril as a result of her conviction.

Obi-Uzom, of Clacton-on-Sea, was ordered to pay £1,500 in prosecution costs and a £140 court fee and could now face professional disciplinary proceedings.

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:17:26pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Thank dog for the clean T-shirt. Good for you!

I met Obama when was running for the Senate in Illinois when he came to a fund raiser in Austin in 2004. The late Valerie Phillips (press sec for Al Gore Sr. when he was a Tennessee Senator in the 70’s), called us in July, before the Dem Convention, and asked if we would be sponsors for this guy with the ridiculous name of Barack Hussein Obama. We said sure. Got to meet him before the unexpectedly huge crowd showed up. Early adopters are good.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:31:10pm
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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:37:52pm

re: #17 mmmirele

I managed to upset a bunch of people I normally ally with on sexual abuse issues by stating my considered opinion that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist. I carefully pointed out that I did not doubt sexual abuse happens, it’s just there is simply no evidence to support the grandiose claims of SRA proponents.

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I’d note that Barbara is wrong on the origins of “conspiracy theory,” which apparently was first used in the 1800s but really entered the language after JFK’s assassination, and was specifically related to that event. Not to child sexual abuse.

Oh well. I’m not here to make people happy.

I would only note that I have never seen a successful prosecution (not overturned) for SRA, but I can think of thousands of cases of Christian abuse by priests, pastors, ministers, youth ministers, and other people in power in almost any Christian denomination you would care to mention.

Satanists, wherever and however many there are in this country, don’t seem to be the problem. I’ve never met one, but I’ve have seen innumerable sky pilots, convinced of the power in their One True God and his grace, who will excuse almost any outrage committed by members of their flock against defenseless children.

Outrageous. Disgusting. Immoral. Yet, somehow, defensible because they were “men of God”.

Go figure. If Jesus saw what was happening in his name, He wouldn’t be capable of stop throwing up.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:41:36pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:43:59pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Thank dog for the clean T-shirt.

I had just bought that t-shirt just a few days prior.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:51:12pm

re: #20 Dread Pirate

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There were a bunch of Israelites a few thousand years ago, fanatics, who refused to realistically assess what they were up against. They were sooooo sure God was on their side. They retreated to a difficult-to-access mountaintop to hold out for as long as they could… then killed themselves in a Jim Jonesian way rather than take the loss.

Their name has since become the English word for obsessive, unreasonable whack jobs who it’s not even worth trying to negotiate with. (i.e., the Zealots).

Just thought I’d mention it. No special reason.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:52:43pm

New York strip, potatoes, and home-canned corn is up. Dinner time … see you in a bit.

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austin_blue  Sep 22, 2019 • 10:54:05pm

re: #22 Dread Pirate

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Unfortunately, Ted *was* in the Cretaceous Period, and his head provided a cunchy shell with a soft chewy center for the T-Rex.

Don’t be Ted.

And with that, I’m off to bed. Night all, sweet dreams. Mango Metamussolini talked himself into a corner today on Ukraine, let’s see how he tweets himself out of it tomorrow. Because you know it’s coming.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:04:43pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Unfortunately, Ted *was* in the Cretaceous Period, and his head provided a cunchy shell with a soft chewy center for the T-Rex.

Don’t be Ted.

And with that, I’m off to bed. Night all, sweet dreams. Mango Metamussolini talked himself into a corner today on Ukraine, let’s see how he tweets himself out of it tomorrow. Because you know it’s coming.

He’s not going to have to talk himself out of it. Trump believes he has absolute power, especially when it comes to foreign policy decisions, and who can dispute that? Nothing has been done to rein him in. He can declassify anything he wants — release top secret information to our enemies — and let’s see if anyone will be able to stop him. He could be stopped if the Republicans came out against him but the Democrats alone have no such authority, except by defeating him in an election.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:09:10pm
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Dread Pirate  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:17:49pm

Only from Florida.

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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:19:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:28:50pm

re: #17 mmmirele

I managed to upset a bunch of people I normally ally with on sexual abuse issues by stating my considered opinion that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist. I carefully pointed out that I did not doubt sexual abuse happens, it’s just there is simply no evidence to support the grandiose claims of SRA proponents.

I’d note that Barbara is wrong on the origins of “conspiracy theory,” which apparently was first used in the 1800s but really entered the language after JFK’s assassination, and was specifically related to that event. Not to child sexual abuse.

Oh well. I’m not here to make people happy.

My wife points out that in a group she attended in Colorado Springs, the majority of the group was convinced such a thing as Satanic ritual abuse existed, they were victims of it, and tried to convince my wife she was too (her abuse was at the hands of family, not Satan).

She came under attack as a “denialist” and subsequently left the group.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:34:31pm

re: #17 mmmirele

On the issue of SRA, we can point to a specific starting point where the conspiracy theory originated.

That came from the book Michelle Remembers (Wikipedia), published in 1980 by a Canadian couple. The book has been debunked in its entirety with its events not corroborated or flat-out impossible.

The origins of satanic abuse however go back to the Middle Ages or earlier, and the idea is specifically a Christian issue which cuts across all denominations. (Satan has been used to discredit or explain all kinds of things, including yay epilepsy).

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uriel  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:44:18pm

re: #17 mmmirele

I managed to upset a bunch of people I normally ally with on sexual abuse issues by stating my considered opinion that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist. I carefully pointed out that I did not doubt sexual abuse happens, it’s just there is simply no evidence to support the grandiose claims of SRA proponents.

Cripes, I had no idea this was still a thing. You’d think that the fact that literally *every* so called example of SRA has been proven to be the result of deliberate manipulation of vulnerable psyches , combined with willful self-delusion, would have put done to that hysteria.

I mean, the McMartin Preschool case involved accusations of hot air balloon rides to child sacrifices and the ritual killing of elephants and giraffes.

Christ, they even implicated Chuck the asshole Norris as a perpetrator. And, much as I hate Chuck the asshole Norris, that’s just god damned idiotic.

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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2019 • 11:51:42pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:02:08am

Zappa’s Synclavier stuff is *really* growing on me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:05:15am

re: #33 uriel

Grifters gotta grift.

Another woman later published a series of books (Laurel Rose Wilson), claiming to have been a “breeder” to make babies for SRA, the most famous of which is titled “Satan’s Underground” (available on Amazon today), detailing her claims.

After she was exposed as a fraud, she changed her name and then wrote more books claiming to be a Holocaust survivor from Auschwitz-Berkenau. She raised thousands of dollars in support for her from well-meaning people intending the money to go to actual Holocaust victims.

She was also involved in the McMartin Preschool trial, claiming to be the lesbian lover of Virginia McMartin.

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uriel  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:07:08am

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That came from the book Michelle Remembers (Wikipedia), published in 1980 by a Canadian couple. The book has been debunked in its entirety with its events not corroborated or flat-out impossible.

That’s being kind. It was shredded, dragged through sewage, and burned to the ground.

I have a sort of personal perspective on this because I knew a woman who fell pray to this nonsense in the 90’s. She complexly blew-up her family , friendships, and personal life over completely ludicrous accusations of ritual satanic gang rape and being used as a breeder of babies for human sacrifice by her wildly milk-toast, college professor parents.

Then, around 2005, she publicly came out and admitted she was manipulated into those accusations, and nothing vaguely like that ever happened. Even though medical exams had decidedly determined that nothing of the sort could have transpired years ago.

It took over a decade before the family could repair the damage enough that she could visit her mentally declining parents. And it was damned close to to being too late.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:08:49am

re: #33 uriel

Cripes, I had no idea this was still a thing. You’d think that the fact that literally *every* so called example of SRA has been proven to be the result of deliberate manipulation of vulnerable psyches , combined with willful self-delusion, would have put done to that hysteria.

I mean, the McMartin Preschool case involved accusations of hot air balloon rides to child sacrifices and the ritual killing of elephants and giraffes.

Christ, they even implicated Chuck the asshole Norris as a perpetrator. And, much as I hate Chuck the asshole Norris, that’s just god damned idiotic.

SRA is the deliberate manipulation of vulnerable Christian psyches.

Those who do not believe in an entity called Satan cannot be taken in by such a con. Since religions require suspension of critical thinking specifically about things like demon possession, if you can weave a plausible story about demon possession, then a religious person can be snared by it.

Note the number of atheists who believe in Satanic Ritual Abuse is zero.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:13:00am

re: #37 uriel

I’m terribly sorry to hear that about your family friend.

“Michelle Remembers” is also available on Amazon. You can have it in hardcover directly from the company for $12.04.

People who are susceptible to the idea of a “Satan” are still being exposed to this shyte today, all for profit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:45:58am

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

There were many factors that led to the Thomas Cook bankruptcy - a K2-sized mountain of debt being one of them - but Brexit-related uncertainty was the icing on the cake.

And here we are.

OK - off to work. Back later today.

I assume that most of it is because people book their flights and vacations on line these days. And package cruises are no longer as attractive as they once were in the Age of Individualism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 12:47:44am

re: #29 Dread Pirate

“A bizarre encounter unfolded …when a #Florida truck driver & her husband crawled into a camel’s enclosure at the truck stop, & the camel sat on the woman, who used her teeth to bite the camel’s testicles to escape.”

“man bites dog” takes a new twist

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:03:03am
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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:03:04am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, Boris Johnson is in for one hell of a day.

He’s in NY. Because nothing is more important with Brexit than being in the US (and not the EU) at this specific point in time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:10:59am

The latest Pew Research Religion & Public Life survey is out.

pewforum.org

As has been shown in previous surveys, the divorce rate continues to be stubbornly high and climbing amongst those who identify as Christian. Minority faiths such as Judaism, Hinduism, and non-faith tends toward the lower end of the divorce rate.

Those faiths which report the highest percentage of married adults also report the highest divorce rates (even amongst Christian faiths where divorce is explicitly condemned, such as Catholicism).

pewforum.org

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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:11:12am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Hi.

Christian privilege lives in the United Kingdom.

Pharmacist, 70, posed as boy’s mother to have him circumcised against parents’ wishes (Goes to The Evening Standard)

The pharmacist was baby-sitting, and found an uncircumcised boy to be an affront to her Christian faith. She found someone to pose as a father, kidnapped the child, and took him to a Jewish mohel to avoid the National Health Service (which would have checked to see if they were actually the parents).

as an anglican, my religion requires me to kidnap the lady and force her to have a clitorectomy performed by a veterinarian on his third day of withdrawal shakes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:11:33am

re: #43 MsJ

He’s in NY. Because nothing is more important with Brexit than being in the US (and not the EU) at this specific point in time.

Perhaps he’s stranded from the collapse of Thomas Cook.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:12:30am

So apparently the consumerism Christmas season is upon us. My email has exploded with ads for buying this, that, the other thing and everything in between…and I am getting catalogs in snail mail daily.

Weeeeeeeeeeee.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:12:54am

re: #26 austin_blue

Unfortunately, Ted *was* in the Cretaceous Period, and his head provided a cunchy shell with a soft chewy center for the T-Rex.

Don’t be Ted.

And with that, I’m off to bed. Night all, sweet dreams. Mango Metamussolini talked himself into a corner today on Ukraine, let’s see how he tweets himself out of it tomorrow. Because you know it’s coming.

😂 I don’t think Mango can tweet himself out of this one. It’s House Democrats that I’m peeved about. Start the impeachment process already, dang it!

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:13:51am

re: #43 MsJ

He’s in NY. Because nothing is more important with Brexit than being in the US (and not the EU) at this specific point in time.

From what I’m reading right now, being in the US right now is probably going to work in is favor, as it’s left Labour to do what they do best when on the cusp of getting somewhere in UK politics: Eating their own.

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steve_davis  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:14:40am

re: #24 sagehen

There were a bunch of Israelites a few thousand years ago, fanatics, who refused to realistically assess what they were up against. They were sooooo sure God was on their side. They retreated to a difficult-to-access mountaintop to hold out for as long as they could… then killed themselves in a Jim Jonesian way rather than take the loss.

Their name has since become the English word for obsessive, unreasonable whack jobs who it’s not even worth trying to negotiate with. (i.e., the Zealots).

Just thought I’d mention it. No special reason.

they didn’t kill themselves. they killed each other. no ritual defilement for them!

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:15:46am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Perhaps he’s stranded from the collapse of Thomas Cook.

Johnson made some idiotic statement about possible government action against directors of travel firms who preside over bankruptcies.

I mean for Cook, at least, this has been expected for years. Their debt was overwhelming and bankruptcy has been hinted at for at least two years that I am aware of.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:17:17am

For those who haven’t heard, Labour is spending their time in party conference arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a needle, i.e. deciding whether to spin Brexit as a “win” for their socialist agenda or embrace the “Remain” movement, with Corbyn reminding everybody why he’s such a shit leader but also why there’s never any chance he’ll be gone short of a sudden cerebral hemorrhage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:17:43am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

As has been shown in previous surveys, the divorce rate continues to be stubbornly high and climbing amongst those who identify as Christian. Minority faiths such as Judaism, Hinduism, and non-faith tends toward the lower end of the divorce rate.

Keep in mind that this refers to marriages and not to couples who live together unmarried and then separate.

And I do suppose that professed Christians are more likely to marry before commencing cohabitation & procreation.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:20:58am

re: #49 Targetpractice

From what I’m reading right now, being in the US right now is probably going to work in is favor, as it’s left Labour to do what they do best when on the cusp of getting somewhere in UK politics: Eating their own.

If Eating Their Own means what Corbyn stepped in (saying he’s all for Brexit) then good for the ones who are standing up for No Brexit. Maybe Labour could get someone at the top who might actually have a shot at winning, coz Corbyn ain’t got a snowball’s chance in hell.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:25:45am

re: #54 MsJ

If Eating Their Own means what Corbyn stepped in (saying he’s all for Brexit) then good for the ones who are standing up for No Brexit. Maybe Labour could get someone at the top who might actually have a shot at winning, coz Corbyn ain’t got a snowball’s chance in hell.

It’s more that Labour is repeating the mistakes of history, choosing instead of uniting with the UK’s left-leaning parties to put together a power bloc to finally undo the Tory misrule of the past 3 years and instead attack the Lib Dems for wanting to revoke Article 50 outright rather than promising voters another referendum before revoking Article 50. All while the guy at the top undermines the “Remain” vote by saying that the UK would totally benefit from getting out of the EU (read: keeping all those “foreigners” out of the “workers paradise” he dreams of).

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:26:30am

re: #52 Targetpractice

For those who haven’t heard, Labour is spending their time in party conference arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a needle, i.e. deciding whether to spin Brexit as a “win” for their socialist agenda or embrace the “Remain” movement, with Corbyn reminding everybody why he’s such a shit leader but also why there’s never any chance he’ll be gone short of a sudden cerebral hemorrhage.

And the Guardian sends me morning daily briefing emails that always include what the headlines are in the UK papers. This morning was:

The papers

The Labour party’s Brexit woes provide the lead for several papers. The Guardian splashes with “Revolt over Brexit policy throws Labour into chaos” while the Telegraph reports “Labour will be crushed over Brexit, Corbyn told”. The i cuts to the chase and announces “Labour civil war”. The Times has a different angle ahead of the Brighton conference with “Independent schools will be abolished by Labour” as does the Express, which prefers “Benefits bill to hit £520bn under Labour”.

The Mail focuses on the Thomas Cook collapse with “165,000 face fortnight of Thomas Cook chaos”, as does the FT - “Thomas Cook repatriation plan on standby as administration looms” - and the Sun, “40 jumbos to the rescue”. The Mirror leads with “Justice for nuclear test victims”.

I was struck by the similarities to Dems in Dissaray similarity. Not to say that they’re horribly off base, because Corbyn really is shit as a Labour leader, but the nature of the headlines were too similar to all we see on Dems daily.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:27:55am

re: #55 Targetpractice

It’s more that Labour is repeating the mistakes of history, choosing instead of uniting with the UK’s left-leaning parties to put together a power bloc to finally undo the Tory misrule of the past 3 years and instead attack the Lib Dems for wanting to revoke Article 50 outright rather than promising voters another referendum before revoking Article 50. All while the guy at the top undermines the “Remain” vote by saying that the UK would totally benefit from getting out of the EU (read: keeping all those “foreigners” out of the “workers paradise” he dreams of).

Old white dudes. Honestly, we need new leaders around the world. Old white dudes are going to be the death of humanity.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:31:24am

And the hits keep coming.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:33:06am

Much like back here at home regarding candidacy policy proposals and the subject of impeachment, the Labour leadership’s argument for a referendum is simply “we can’t scare the moderates.” That if they fully embrace the “Remain” movement and promise to revoke Article 50 alongside the Lib Dems, then the “moderate” voters will freak and run into the arms of the Tories and the Brexiters.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:46:40am

re: #47 MsJ

So apparently the consumerism Christmas season is upon us. My email has exploded with ads for buying this, that, the other thing and everything in between…and I am getting catalogs in snail mail daily.

Weeeeeeeeeeee.

Trying to get out ahead of the trade war.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 4:47:59am

All I want for Christmas is a week’s paid vacation.

Or a Switch. I’m flexible.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:01:24am

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:02:50am

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:07:20am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Keep in mind that this refers to marriages and not to couples who live together unmarried and then separate.

And I do suppose that professed Christians are more likely to marry before commencing cohabitation [and] procreation.

Not so. The abortion rate is lowest amongst atheists. The teen pregnancy rate is highest in the so-called Bible Belt states.

Unmarried couples are mentioned in the survey as well, though “divorce” does not really apply (since they were never married). While unmarried couples can be a committed relationship without “the piece of paper,” that same paper (particularly in regard to a religious wedding) is supposed to be a public commitment of a lifetime partnership.

The non-religious have no such view of lifetime religious commitment, yet show up amongst the lowest divorce rates. I don’t have any evidence for the claim of minority religions such as Hinduism and Islam having low divorce rates other than the strictures of their religious views or outright fear of being cast out by their families and friends.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:12:34am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not so. The abortion rate is lowest amongst atheists. The teen pregnancy rate is highest in the so-called Bible Belt states.

That is a factor of the sort of sex education they receive.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:23:03am

It’s the Monday after another Trump scandal broke, so it’s time for Faux to issue the marching orders:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:24:44am

re: #58 MsJ

And the hits keep coming.

For-profit private school. Capitalism doing everything better, I see.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:29:06am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is a factor of the sort of sex education they receive.

Yup. And conservative Christian religion intentionally suppresses sex education wherever they can.

Even our mainstream Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches here do the same on our tiny public schools. There is no way our little school districts can use evidence-based medicine and biology against the powerful funding of religious institutions.

When my school district (ousting all the Republicans but one) sought to implement evidence-based sexual education in junior high and high school, every church in two counties opened fire on the school board, threatening court action. The school district does not have that kind of money, so the board dropped the proposed programme.

(My testimony was dismissed as “you don’t have school-age children.”)

Electing a full slate of democrats did not help us because of religion’s opposition to science and progress.

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jeffreyw  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:38:21am

Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:44:32am
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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:47:41am

Thread:

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John Hughes  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:49:57am

re: #45 steve_davis

as an anglican, my religion requires me to kidnap the lady and force her to have a clitorectomy performed by a veterinarian on his third day of withdrawal shakes.

You’re probably too late.

Don’t make jokes like this. Even about people who’ve done horrible things like she has. She is almost certainly a victim herself.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:52:28am

Wow, Beth Hart can really belt it out! Reminds me a little of Carly Simon. Too bad the clinking of Beth’s necklace is a little distracting.

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John Hughes  Sep 23, 2019 • 5:53:24am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:10:38am

re: #17 mmmirele

I managed to upset a bunch of people I normally ally with on sexual abuse issues by stating my considered opinion that Satanic Ritual Abuse does not exist. I carefully pointed out that I did not doubt sexual abuse happens, it’s just there is simply no evidence to support the grandiose claims of SRA proponents.

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I’d note that Barbara is wrong on the origins of “conspiracy theory,” which apparently was first used in the 1800s but really entered the language after JFK’s assassination, and was specifically related to that event. Not to child sexual abuse.

Oh well. I’m not here to make people happy.

I remember the Satanic Panic in the mid 80s whipped up by Geraldo Rivera which climaxed here in Los Angeles with the McMartin preschool trial which turned out to be a goddamned farce. Thankfully the radical Xtian DA who brought the case was unseated in the 1984 election and the idiot prosecutor failed several times to get elected to a judicial slot.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:14:01am

Happy Burfday Bruce!
rollingstone.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:17:27am

re: #21 austin_blue

I would only note that I have never seen a successful prosecution (not overturned) for SRA, but I can think of thousands of cases of Christian abuse by priests, pastors, ministers, youth ministers, and other people in power in almost any Christian denomination you would care to mention.

Satanists, wherever and however many there are in this country, don’t seem to be the problem. I’ve never met one, but I’ve have seen innumerable sky pilots, convinced of the power in their One True God and his grace, who will excuse almost any outrage committed by members of their flock against defenseless children.

Outrageous. Disgusting. Immoral. Yet, somehow, defensible because they were “men of God”.

Go figure. If Jesus saw what was happening in his name, He wouldn’t be capable of stop throwing up.

“The difference between me and an omnipotent god is if I saw a rape and was in a position to do something about it, I would.”

reformation.com (listings of hundreds of sex crimes by priests, pastors, deacons, &c of all denominations reported in local press—unless they are the Catholic Church they usually are not reported beyond local areas).

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coin operated  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:21:02am

re: #75 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember the Satanic Panic in the mid 80s whipped up by Geraldo Rivera which climaxed here in Los Angeles with the McMartin preschool trial which turned out to be a goddamned farce. Thankfully the radical Xtian DA who brought the case was unseated in the 1984 election and the idiot prosecutor failed several times to get elected to a judicial slot.

In the same vein, I remember the Judas Priest trials. Two boys commit suicide and the parents blamed the band for satanical lyrics and the like. They went so far as to analyze Rob’s signature 2-octave pitch rise at the end of a line as some sort of demonic hailing. Fortunately, the case ended in the band’s favor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:24:12am

re: #78 coin operated

In the same vein, I remember the Judas Priest trials. Two boys commit suicide and the parents blamed the band for satanical lyrics and the like. They went so far as to analyze Rob’s signature 2-octave pitch rise at the end of a line as some sort of demonic hailing. Fortunately, the case ended in the band’s favor.

Yes and I remember how Pulpit Pimps Paul (The closet gay man who paid $400K in hush money to his black bodybuilder lover) and Jan (Raccoon Face with the flowing mascara and cotton candy hair) Crouch were on their Praise The Lord show demanding that the band be arrested for glorifying Satan…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:26:12am

We are 9°F above the record low set in 1916, which was 26°F.

I imagine I’m going to need to break out the kitchen matches in the next few days and the extension rod to reach down into my floor furnace to re-light the pilot light. It’s getting to be that time of year again.

By the way, happy First Day of Autumn.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:32:56am

[Xóchitl Guadalupe Cruz Lopez, a] young indigenous girl from Chiapas state in southern Mexico built a solar-powered water heater from recyclable materials - an invention that promises to do more than just give folks in that poor rural region better access to hot water.

According to Mexico News Daily, Xóchitl’s solar heater contains a “15-meter black hose, 10 PET bottles that she painted black, plastic cable ties, a wooden base, black nylon and recycled glass.” Xóchitl says she used the glass doors of a broken cooler to create a greenhouse effect. The solar heater is installed on her home’s rooftop.

Xóchitl’s invention caught the attention of Nuclear Sciences Institute at Mexico’s National Autonomous University, or UNAM, from where she was awarded the ICN Women’s Recognition Award. The young inventor won the award last year when she was eight, but the news is just making the rounds in America where she is receiving more accolades. UNAM helped her complete her project through their Adopt a Talent Program (PAUTA).

dailykos.com

She wants to get a degree in mathematics. I’m thinking she’s worth a trade of 5 Trump children, a Mitch McConnell, a few million in cash, and a first round draft pick.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:36:13am

Veteran character actor Sid Haig has passed away at the age of 80.

RIP, Sid.

kerrang.com

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:39:27am

re: #81 Belafon

How innovative of her. That invention can be used around the world — especially in developing countries. Good for her.

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danarchy  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:50:19am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹🎃

SRA is the deliberate manipulation of vulnerable Christian psyches.

Those who do not believe in an entity called Satan cannot be taken in by such a con. Since religions require suspension of critical thinking specifically about things like demon possession, if you can weave a plausible story about demon possession, then a religious person can be snared by it.

Note the number of atheists who believe in Satanic Ritual Abuse is zero.

Technically to believe in SRA you would not have to believe in Satan, just in Satanists who believe in Satan and that Satan wants them to do those things.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:52:26am

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:55:29am

re: #78 coin operated

In the same vein, I remember the Judas Priest trials. Two boys commit suicide and the parents blamed the band for satanical lyrics and the like. They went so far as to analyze Rob’s signature 2-octave pitch rise at the end of a line as some sort of demonic hailing. Fortunately, the case ended in the band’s favor.

Before the Devil went down to Georgia, he tempted another fiddle player.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:56:45am

re: #84 danarchy

Technically to believe in SRA you would not have to believe in Satan, just in Satanists who believe in Satan and that Satan wants them to do those things.

True on the issue of a putative Satanist group: The atheist doesn’t have to believe in Satan for a satanic group to commit any sort of crime.

That said, the idea that a satanic group is using women to create babies to abuse and infiltrating day care centres for the same runs up against the rationality an atheist might employ against any religious assertion: Where’s the evidence of this satanic cult, how could such a conspiracy be concealed by such a large group for so long, &c.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 6:58:29am

Wanna buy a megachurch and turn it into a casino with hookers and blackjack?

Ohio megachurch on sale for $8M months after some congregants stop giving over pastor’s affairs (Christian Post, more at the link)

Months after Pastor Victor S. Couzens of Inspirational Baptist Church in Cincinnati, Ohio, pleaded with his congregants to start giving again while assuring them that he had not used their donations to finance relationships with multiple women, his church’s sprawling building is now up for sale.

The church located at 11450 Sebring Drive is currently listed for sale for $8 million on the commercial real estate platform loopnet.com.

“Perfect for campus/education facility, medical or industrial user and charitable pickup center office - many possibilities. Additional land available for expansion. Currently operating as a church in EXCELLENT condition with many amenities. Large parking lot,” reads the investment summary for the just over 59,000 square-foot building that was built in 1984.

(more)

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:00:39am

re: #34 teleskiguy

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33 minutes 38 seconds

I listened to this for 20 years before I realized who wrote it

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:01:23am

More Satanic Ritual Abuse:

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:03:00am

re: #86 The Pie Overlord!

Before the Devil went down to Georgia, he visited Vienna to tempt another fiddle player.

Shows how little I know; I always thought the devil only made deals with guitarists.

Robert Johnson- Crossroad

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:07:11am

re: #90 The Pie Overlord!

More Satanic Ritual Abuse:

What is a “mystical Jew?”

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:07:17am

So, I’m going to do a holiday-themed film studies class, using a horror film; this year, I’m using the classic 1974 slasher-flick Black Christmas.

Should I do this around Halloween or Christmas? What say you, Lizards? No doubt about it, it had a direct influence on John Carpenter’s Halloween five years later in 1979 and Black Christmas is one of the great horror films.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:08:21am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What is a “mystical Jew?”

I don’t know but I guarantee you that it is not any kind of, you know, actual Jew.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:10:31am

So I was poking around the Internet looking for an interesting new recipe for challah for Rosh Hashanah when I came across Pumpkin Spice Challah.

This is the recipe of Satan, I am sure of it.

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:11:23am

re: #75 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember the Satanic Panic in the mid 80s whipped up by Geraldo Rivera which climaxed here in Los Angeles with the McMartin preschool trial which turned out to be a goddamned farce. Thankfully the radical Xtian DA who brought the case was unseated in the 1984 election and the idiot prosecutor failed several times to get elected to a judicial slot.

Well, that case may have been (like all the other SRA cases) a “goddamned farce”, but these farces have also led to horrific injustices: like the case of Gerald Amirault and the Fells Acres Day Care Center. *Questionable* as the “evidence” against Amirault (and his mother and sister) might have been, they were all convicted and sentenced to prison - in Gerald’s case he was inside for 18 years- the whole mess compounded by the utter refusal of state (MA in this case) officials to even remotely admit to having made any mistakes in their procedures or prosecution.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:11:30am

Damn, no estate taxes on that:

Hotel magnate Barron Hilton died of natural causes at the age of 91 on Thursday at his Los Angeles home, according to the Hilton family.

He left about 97% of his estate to Conrad N. Hilton Foundation, which expects to grow its endowment from $2.9 billion to $6.3 billion — a $3.4 billion increase.

Hilton amassed a fortune creating orange juice products, an oil company, the American Football League and an aircraft-leasing business, even before he began working for his father Conrad in 1951.

foxbusiness.com

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:12:29am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What is a “mystical Jew?”

1. HE’S LYING!! “Mystical Jews” don’t believe any such thing.

2. Mystical Jews are Kabbalists.

Because every Torah ever made has the exact same spacing for the letters, and in Hebrew letters are also numbers so angles and distances are also other words, they do weird interpretations of scripture that have no relation to the actual words and sentences of the text.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:12:37am

re: #94 The Pie Overlord!

I don’t know but I guarantee you that it is not any kind of, you know, actual Jew.

Could that be a Jew who plays the game “Myst?”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:15:28am

re: #95 The Pie Overlord!

So I was poking around the Internet looking for an interesting new recipe for challah for Rosh Hashanah when I came across Pumpkin Spice Challah.

This is the recipe of Satan, I am sure of it.

Gaak.

The only thing which should have pumpkin spice is pumpkin pie. (My wife makes pretty good pumpkin pies from fresh pumpkins.)

Next thing you know they’ll be marketing pumpkin spice road asphalt.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:15:28am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

So, I’m going to do a holiday-themed film studies class, using a horror film; this year, I’m using the classic 1974 slasher-flick Black Christmas.

Should I do this around Halloween or Christmas? What say you, Lizards? No doubt about it, it had a direct influence on John Carpenter’s Halloween five years later in 1979 and Black Christmas is one of the great horror films.

I don’t know it, but if as you say it was an influence on Carpenter, then I’d do it before Halloween so I could do that movie on it’s date.

Are you going to do anything with the 2018 Halloween movie?

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Jay C  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:16:09am

re: #98 sagehen

1. HE’S LYING!! “Mystical Jews” don’t believe any such thing.

2. Mystical Jews are Kabbalists.

Because every Torah ever made has the exact same spacing for the letters, and in Hebrew letters are also numbers so angles and distances are also other words, they do weird interpretations of scripture that have no relation to the actual words and sentences of the text.

Yep: and if you divine out the correct code, you can find the set of letters that spell out the message:

TOM HORN IS A PUTZ

See? Mysticism!!!

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:16:26am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

So, I’m going to do a holiday-themed film studies class, using a horror film; this year, I’m using the classic 1974 slasher-flick Black Christmas.

Should I do this around Halloween or Christmas? What say you, Lizards? No doubt about it, it had a direct influence on John Carpenter’s Halloween five years later in 1979 and Black Christmas is one of the great horror films.

Would I be correct in guessing you don’t see It’s A Wonderful Life as a “horror” film? ‘Cause I kinda do…

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:17:28am

re: #103 sagehen

Would I be correct in guessing you don’t see It’s A Wonderful Life as a “horror” film? ‘Cause I kinda do…

Now that might well be the perfect description of that … thing. I’ve always hated that movie but I’ve never really been able to say why.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:18:29am

Christmas-themed horror movie? Gremlins, of course.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:19:44am

re: #101 William Lewis

I don’t know it, but if as you say it was an influence on Carpenter, then I’d do it before Halloween so I could do that movie on it’s date.

Are you going to do anything with the 2018 Halloween movie?

Might be a good idea - and I never did see the 2018 Halloween film. I admit to being hesitant to seeing remakes or reboots (though some of them are quite good).

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:20:29am

re: #103 sagehen

Would I be correct in guessing you don’t see It’s A Wonderful Life as a “horror” film? ‘Cause I kinda do…

Never thought of that one as a horror film, to be honest.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:21:08am
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:21:17am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:21:47am

re: #103 sagehen

Would I be correct in guessing you don’t see It’s A Wonderful Life as a “horror” film? ‘Cause I kinda do…

I viewed It’s a Wonderful Life as an inverted Christmas Carol.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:22:04am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Christmas-themed horror movie? Gremlins, of course.

That would be good; it’s one of my favorite horror comedy films and I don’t think many Czechs have seen it. I’ve never seen it on TV over here for whatever reasons.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:22:29am

Our country is under attack and the Republicans are inviting them in.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:23:37am

A roll of paper towels.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:24:20am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

A bottle of water.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:25:00am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Christmas-themed horror movie? Gremlins, of course.

I have an unusual problem with that movie.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:25:08am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

His entire cabinet, strapped with AR-15s.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:26:27am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

A roll of paper towels.

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Wiley E’s Acme Anvil.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:27:37am

re: #108 jaunte

Facebook and Twitter: Freeze Peach! We can’t do anything about it, because hiring people to screen content is “technically unfeasible!!” (We would have to pay screeners, and we can’t do that.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:29:02am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

A roll of paper towels.

One wag wrote “thoughts and prayers.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:29:33am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

A roll of paper towels.

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Tots & pears.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:30:17am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Facebook and Twitter: Freeze Peach! We can’t do anything about it, because hiring people to screen content is “technically unfeasible!!” (We would have to pay screeners, and we can’t do that.)

They pay enough to suspend folks like David Neiwert though for unfairly maligning conservatives with pictures of KKK hoods though. They were quick to take claim for that rather than saying the algorithm did it.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:30:55am

BBL

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:31:02am

re: #112 jaunte

Our country is under attack and the Republicans are inviting them in.

Civil Wars and revolutions, to succeed, need foreign assistance. This is civil war. Just the weapons are different than the planeloads of guns and ammo that were typical aid for American-supported interventions in other countries in previous generations.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:32:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:32:58am

In the Right Wing Watch roundup, neo-Nazi Patrick Little is going to make another run for office, this time in Idaho; Rick Wiles suspects that Sheldon and Miriam Adelson and Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu “were probably drinking blood” when they got together for dinner; and more wingnuts this week.

rightwingwatch.org

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:35:24am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Rick Wiles suspects that Sheldon and Miriam Adelson and Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu “were probably drinking blood” when they got together for dinner

Well, wingnuts certainly do have quite the imagination, I’ll say that. A twisted, fevered imagination, to be sure.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:36:16am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where we have to deal with Trump being in the City for the UNGA, where he can ignore global warming and climate change, so he can give a “speech” about religious freedom.

You know, where he can rail about how Muslims are killing people and that Christians aren’t able to impose their worldview on everyone else the way they’d like because of the silly 1A, and that this is a bad thing that must change - all while he’s brought back Christmas.

If there’s a multiverse, I want out of this one.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:41:24am

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

Well, wingnuts certainly do have quite the imagination, I’ll say that. A twisted, fevered imagination, to be sure.

That would be an actual “blood libel” claim, not Sarah Palin’s nonsense from years ago. Fits right in with a couple millennia of Christianity against Judaism.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:43:53am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That would be an actual “blood libel” claim, not Sarah Palin’s nonsense from years ago. Fits right in with a couple millennia of Christianity against Judaism.

Yeah, they’re really not all that much at dreaming up anything original. Just fapping over the same old bullshit for centuries on end.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:44:37am

re: #123 sagehen

Once again it seems to be objective facts and ethical behavior vs. magical thinking and criminality.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 7:59:09am

So-called Firefighter Prophet Mark Taylor claims John McCain did not die of cancer. He claims he was tried by a military tribunal and executed. He claims “cancer” was his exit strategy to save his reputation.

When religion takes a person’s mind away, there is little to do for a rational person to save them. This would be the same John McCain that wingnuts across the land supported for President. Now? He is no longer useful to them, and conservatism casts him aside.

They’ll tell us day in and day out they support the troops and veterans though.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:09:48am

Time for bed. G’night (well, day) y’all.

Sign on a gas station in Sidney, Nebraska near I-80
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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:11:30am
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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:14:22am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gaak.

The only thing which should have pumpkin spice is pumpkin pie. (My wife makes pretty good pumpkin pies from fresh pumpkins.)

Next thing you know they’ll be marketing pumpkin spice road asphalt.

+1

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:19:02am

re: #127 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where we have to deal with Trump being in the City for the UNGA, where he can ignore global warming and climate change, so he can give a “speech” about religious freedom.

You know, where he can rail about how Muslims are killing people and that Christians aren’t able to impose their worldview on everyone else the way they’d like because of the silly 1A, and that this is a bad thing that must change - all while he’s brought back Christmas.

If there’s a multiverse, I want out of this one.

It’s like we’re in The Good Place

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:20:40am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Time for bed. G’night (well, day) y’all.

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personally i am always now, here

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danarchy  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:25:26am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Gaak.

The only thing which should have pumpkin spice is pumpkin pie. (My wife makes pretty good pumpkin pies from fresh pumpkins.)

Next thing you know they’ll be marketing pumpkin spice road asphalt.

Pumpkin spice gets a bad rep. I think it is way overdone, but why should cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger and clove be limited to pumpkin stuff? Granted, they do put it in stuff that it has no place being, but there are any number of dessert-ish things it could go well with.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:34:31am

re: #90 The Pie Overlord!

More Satanic Ritual Abuse:

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Who slipped LSD in that fool’s communion grape juice?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:35:02am

Another confirmation that the entire administration is populated by thugs and bullies who feel rules don’t apply to them: Pence had motorcade on Mackinac Island. Also indicates that the same is true of the contemporary GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:35:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:39:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:45:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:46:57am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2019 • 8:57:12am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle
@Stonekettle
Karen demands to speak to my manager.

OMG — it just dawned on me — is Bret Stephens a Karen?

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:03:09am
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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:12:44am

re: #144 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG — it just dawned on me — is Bret Stephens a Karen?

The male equivalent of a Karen is a Brad or a Steve.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:17:41am

re: #146 sagehen

The male equivalent of a Karen is a Brad or a Steve.

The name Karen has been in circulation for awhile. Admit I am unfamiliar with Brad and Steve; however, I don’t think either of the male names includes the connotation of contacting “my manager” and that’s exactly what Bret did in the “bedbug” controversy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:19:39am

re: #145 Targetpractice

Nancy has to make it look like she was forced into this decision

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:21:20am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nancy has to make it look like she was forced into this decision

Then she needs to step aside and give the gavel to a leader.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:21:49am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nancy has to make it look like she was forced into this decision

Why is that?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:22:35am

Speaking of Karen, here is what she currently looks like:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:26:23am

This is not a drill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:27:17am

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

This is not a drill.

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*GAG*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:27:52am

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Why is that?

because of the political and especially the media landscape.

she knows how badly impeachment can blow up in the Dems’ faces if they go about it wrong.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:28:50am

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

This is not a drill.

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makeitstop  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:31:04am

In other news - the estate of Walter Becker (Steely Dan) has put his massive gear collection up for auction.

Becker owned more musical equipment than everyone I know put together. It’s overwhelming.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:33:39am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because of the political and especially the media landscape.

she knows how badly impeachment can blow up in the Dems’ faces if they go about it wrong.

There’s really no evidence whatsoever to support this argument. The party never successfully impeached Nixon, yet the damage done to him by weeks of impeachment investigation hearings swung public opinion so strongly against him that he’d have been crazy to stay and fight. And the Repubs went on to win the presidential election following their own impeachment of Clinton, though it did end up costing Newt his own Speakership.

And that’s the reality of the current situation, that Pelosi is not worried about what a “failed” impeachment will do to the party, but what it will mean for her own career.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:35:23am

re: #149 Targetpractice

Then she needs to step aside and give the gavel to a leader.

Nancy knows a lot more about her caucus and the reality of the political situation than we ever will. She is not only concerned about the “red” district Dems who returned her to the Speakership, but the MSM which even today practices both-siderism to the hilt. In 2016, the media preferred to cover an empty podium awaiting the arrival of Trump to covering Clinton policy statements. They refuse to do their due diligence.

Both Nancy and Ted Lieu talked about holding people in contempt. Hopefully, they will start issuing hefty fines against these thugs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:35:52am

re: #156 makeitstop

In other news - the estate of Walter Becker (Steely Dan) has put his massive gear collection up for auction.

Becker owned more musical equipment than everyone I know put together. It’s overwhelming.

Jesus. How many guitars and amps does one man need? Overwhelming is right.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:36:15am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 190922 edition ————————————>

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:37:49am

re: #157 Targetpractice

In a sane word, all those arguments would be valid.

In a sane world, Trump would have been put up on charges already.

In a more sane world, he would never have been elected in the first place

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:39:46am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In a sane word, all those arguments would be valid.

In a sane world, Trump would have been put up on charges already.

In a more sane world, he would never have been elected in the first place

And in a sane world, refusal to enforce the law would carry no consequences. Sadly, we don’t live in that sane world, so we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:40:04am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because of the political and especially the media landscape.

she knows how badly impeachment can blow up in the Dems’ faces if they go about it wrong.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:43:06am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Nancy knows a lot more about her caucus and the reality of the political situation than we ever will. She is not only concerned about the “red” district Dems who returned her to the Speakership, but the MSM which even today practices both-siderism to the hilt. In 2016, the media preferred to cover an empty podium awaiting the arrival of Trump to covering Clinton policy statements. They refuse to do their due diligence.

Both Nancy and Ted Lieu talked about holding people in contempt. Hopefully, they will start issuing hefty fines against these thugs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:44:11am

Question: Do you think the next Democratic President should hold regular rallies like Trump does?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:47:15am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

In 2016, the media preferred to cover an empty podium awaiting the arrival of Trump to covering Clinton policy statements. They refuse to do their due diligence.

I was travelling by air and recall being astounded by the sight of that empty podium in the airport for hours…

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:47:45am

re: #113 The Pie Overlord!

A roll of paper towels.

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Shade.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:50:49am
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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:52:03am

If I thought for a moment that all of Pelosi’s talk about more investigations and more litigation was actually doing anything to force Trump to stop his criminal acts, I’d say she was on the right track and be totally behind her.

But instead, I’m watching as the press is slowly doing Trump’s bidding in turning what they know to be a false story against the very candidate he targeted, while he’s brazenly going around telling people that he did in fact try to fuck with said candidate’s campaign.

I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that the current strategy is going to lead anywhere but a very ugly, contested election that will only further erode what remains of the confidence in our democracy.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:52:35am

re: #156 makeitstop

In other news - the estate of Walter Becker (Steely Dan) has put his massive gear collection up for auction.

Becker owned more musical equipment than everyone I know put together. It’s overwhelming.

I wonder how many of those effects pedals were just sent to him by manufacturers hoping he’d use one on stage or recording for the hype.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:53:46am

I know this conversation took place a while ago, but there is so much STUPIDS in here I am surprised that John Kerry didn’t just flip over the table.

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makeitstop  Sep 23, 2019 • 9:57:05am

re: #170 Barefoot Grin

I wonder how many of those effects pedals were just sent to him by manufacturers hoping he’d use one on stage or recording for the hype.

Probably quite a few - same thing for many of the guitars, too.

But a lot of that gear is vintage, meaning he probably went out and bought it.

Fun fact: The guitarist’s term for wanting more gear is ‘Gear Acquisition Syndrome,’ or GAS for short.

Becker invented the term in a Guitar Player article.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:00:42am

re: #156 makeitstop

In other news - the estate of Walter Becker (Steely Dan) has put his massive gear collection up for auction.

Becker owned more musical equipment than everyone I know put together. It’s overwhelming.

1,086 items!

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makeitstop  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:06:08am

re: #173 Jebediah, RBG

1,086 items!

And the cheese-to-serious gear ratio is pretty low. There are some questionable old Japanese guitars in there, but they’re more than balanced out by the sheer volume of vintage and boutique stuff.

Where the hell do you keep that much equipment? Gotta be a warehouse full there. At least.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:06:39am
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:07:43am
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:07:43am
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:08:40am

Where was he radicalized? Fox News.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:11:38am

re: #168 jaunte

Pelosi could take dramatic control of the national narrative immediately with a prime time address to the nation announcing impeachment proceedings.

and the networks would show an empty podium waiting for Trump’s response

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:14:24am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the networks would show an empty podium waiting for Trump’s response

And how will that change in…oh, let’s ballpark it…9 months? You know, that time period we’re told she’s going to masterfully jump into the public fray with the voters to make impeachment hearings a reality and have them play out over the last weeks of the election?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:16:55am

re: #171 The Pie Overlord!

I know this conversation took place a while ago, but there is so much STUPIDS in here I am surprised that John Kerry didn’t just flip over the table.

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Whenever someone tried to compare today to the 1970’s process against Nixon, this clip is a perfect demonstration of why these comparisons inevitably fail. The 1970’s politicians were serious and knowledgeable; today the entire GOP is composed of either Trump toadies or outright idiots; not a single Congressional Republican has any decency, courage, or moral fiber; those that have are leaving the party.

These people will interfere/have interfered with any legitimate hearing about Trump’s bad acts. They are awarded time to spew their nonsense which is regurgitated on Fox et al. The Democrats in the Nixon era had, as opposition, serious Republicans who asked serious questions. We are facing obstacles that our founders never anticipated. Every hearing will be turned into a circus by these clowns and malevolent actors like William Barr. Nancy understands this — so has to be careful in preparing a path to impeachment.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:18:48am
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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:25:06am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the networks would show an empty podium waiting for Trump’s response

Trump would stage another rally at the same time and the media would cover that instead.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:27:20am

re: #34 teleskiguy

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EAT A PEACH
Mountain Jam

33 minutes 38 seconds

The ABB was a psychedelic band before they got hooked on heroin.

My favorite cut from that album is their live cover of Sonny Boy Williamson II “One Way Out.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:27:55am

re: #156 makeitstop

I stopped looking after 6 pages (I am supposed to be doing work right now.)
Many of the estimates seem inexplicably low, I didn’t check but at least several look like the estimate is lower than retail price for non-Walter Becker-owned.

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:28:58am

re: #157 Targetpractice

And that’s the reality of the current situation, that Pelosi is not worried about what a “failed” impeachment will do to the party, but what it will mean for her own career.

Nancy knows how to math. She’ll move on impeachment when she’s got the votes.

Investigations and hearings need to happen, but that’s up to the relevant committee chairs. It’s not her sole prerogative. She can’t force them, she can’t forbid them, it’s Nadler and Schiff who need to get their asses in gear to give her the tools she’ll need.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:30:51am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Do you think the next Democratic President should hold regular rallies like Trump does?

Should not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:31:15am

re: #183 Skip Intro

Trump would stage another rally at the same time and the media would cover that instead.

and they would show the empty podium waiting for him to arrive

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:31:57am

re: #104 William Lewis

Now that might well be the perfect description of that … thing. I’ve always hated that movie but I’ve never really been able to say why.

When Christmas Day arrives I pop my DVD of Female Trouble in the player and watch the downfall of Dawn Davenport not getting cha cha heels for Christmas!!!

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:32:35am

re: #186 sagehen

Nancy knows how to math. She’ll move on impeachment when she’s got the votes.

Investigations and hearings need to happen, but that’s up to the relevant committee chairs. It’s not her sole prerogative. She can’t force them, she can’t forbid them, it’s Nadler and Schiff who need to get their asses in gear to give her the tools she’ll need.

To hold official impeachment hearings requires a full vote of the House. In fact, Nadler has already held a committee vote on a motion to declare what the House Judiciary Committee is doing is impeachment related. And in a show of just how futile a move that is, the DOJ is already arguing in the courts that the precedent of the Nixon and Clinton impeachment hearings shows there has to be a vote of the full House.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:32:41am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Do you think the next Democratic President should hold regular rallies like Trump does?

Well, only if the next President doesn’t actually work. I mean, what is the job? trump doesn’t work. He tweets and plays golf.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:33:18am

re: #186 sagehen

Nancy knows how to math. She’ll move on impeachment when she’s got the votes.

Investigations and hearings need to happen, but that’s up to the relevant committee chairs. It’s not her sole prerogative. She can’t force them, she can’t forbid them, it’s Nadler and Schiff who need to get their asses in gear to give her the tools she’ll need.

If she’s as wary of impeachment as it seems, and she truly controls the Democrats in the House, then why cant’ she get Lieu, AOC, and others to shut up about needing to impeach? (This isn’t about whether she wants impeachment, but about her controlling House Dems.)

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:33:26am

re: #172 makeitstop

Probably quite a few - same thing for many of the guitars, too.

But a lot of that gear is vintage, meaning he probably went out and bought it.

Fun fact: The guitarist’s term for wanting more gear is ‘Gear Acquisition Syndrome,’ or GAS for short.

Becker invented the term in a Guitar Player article.

Personally, I have more GAS than GAS money.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:34:51am

re: #192 Belafon

If she’s as wary of impeachment as it seesm, and she truly controls the Democrats in the House, then why cant’ she get Lieu, AOC, and others to shut up about needing to impeach? (This isn’t about whether she wants impeachment, but about her controlling House Dems.)

Because she’s not in control, she’s simply refusing to do her own job. Just as Moscow Mitch is by refusing to allow House bills to come to a vote. We have a total lack of leadership in both houses of Congress.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:38:57am

Brexit continues to be a shit show and Labour is fucked.

The remainers think Labour will haemorrhage votes to the Lib Dems and the Greens at the general election under the Corbyn policy that will now remain unchallenged until the election. The Corbynites think turning Labour into a remain-only party would be even more disastrous. There is no way of knowing which analysis is more correct. And a huge amount will depend on what has happened to Brexit by the time the election actually happens. It is quite possible that both arguments are correct.

Still, this is a very good night for Jeremy Corbyn, who has won a clear victory over his remain opponents in the party. It is probably a good night for Jo Swinson too, as she and the Greens now have the undiluted remain field (in England, at least) to themselves. What Boris Johnson think is harder to guess, but the Tories have been trying hard to label Labour as an anti-Brexit, remain party (not because they think it will help Labour, presumably), and tonight’s vote undermines that line of attack.

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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:38:58am

re: #194 Targetpractice

Because she’s not in control, she’s simply refusing to do her own job. Just as Moscow Mitch is by refusing to allow House bills to come to a vote. We have a total lack of leadership in both houses of Congress.

Nancy is running/has run out of time. Everybody in the House is going to be campaiging for re-election after new years, so that’s that.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:39:58am

re: #196 Skip Intro

Nancy is running/has run out of time. Everybody in the House is going to be campaiging for re-election after new years, so that’s that.

And I said as much months ago, that there was no real desire to impeach, just to run out the clock until it became “too late” to do so. “Oh, we can’t take time away from the primaries/election!”

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:40:38am

re: #189 Joe Bacon 🌹

When Christmas Day arrives I pop my DVD of Female Trouble in the player and watch the downfall of Dawn Davenport not getting cha cha heels for Christmas!!!

Die Hard.

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makeitstop  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:41:52am

re: #185 Jebediah, RBG

I stopped looking after 6 pages (I am supposed to be doing work right now.)
Many of the estimates seem inexplicably low, I didn’t check but at least several look like the estimate is lower than retail price for non-Walter Becker-owned.

Yeah, you’d pay more for that gear if you were buying it from the guy down the street.

But that seems to be the way auction houses roll. We went to the showing of David Gilmour’s collection the day before the auction, and I was eyeballing a lap steel guitar that they ‘estimated’ would go off for $1500. My wife even green-lighted the bid, but I didn’t bother.

Said lap steel ended up selling for $66K.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:49:51am
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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:51:00am

re: #195 MsJ

Brexit continues to be a shit show and Labour is fucked.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:52:06am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

No…. Forever Un-American to me.

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Citizen K  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:53:49am
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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:54:15am

re: #194 Targetpractice

Because she’s not in control, she’s simply refusing to do her own job. Just as Moscow Mitch is by refusing to allow House bills to come to a vote. We have a total lack of leadership in both houses of Congress.

The Republican caucus, in both House and Senate, is a highly regimented hierarchy and the members do as they’re told. The Democratic caucus, in both House and Senate, is a collection of individuals with their own minds and their own decision-making authority. Trying to make “them” do something unified is like trying to herd cats. Nancy can read the room, predict their choices, occasionally sprinkle a little catnip here and there to encourage them, but she’s not THE BOSS of her caucus like McCarthy is THE BOSS of his.

(btw, it’s totally a coincidence that McCarthy is named McCarthy… if I were a screenwriter creating today’s House, my producer would say that’s just too anvilicious and would make me change the character’s name).

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Charmingly Persistent  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:57:35am

re: #149 Targetpractice

Then she needs to step aside and give the gavel to a leader.

Have you called your representative to ask them to support impeachment?

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 10:58:22am

re: #205 Charmingly Persistent

Have you called your representative to ask them to support impeachment?

Yes.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:00:36am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Do you think the next Democratic President should hold regular rallies like Trump does?

a productive president wouldnt have the free time

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:01:12am

re: #204 sagehen

The Republican caucus, in both House and Senate, is a highly regimented hierarchy and the members do as they’re told. The Democratic caucus, in both House and Senate, is a collection of individuals with their own minds and their own decision-making authority. Trying to make “them” do something unified is like trying to herd cats. Nancy can read the room, predict their choices, occasionally sprinkle a little catnip here and there to encourage them, but she’s not THE BOSS of her caucus like McCarthy is THE BOSS of his.

(btw, it’s totally a coincidence that McCarthy is named McCarthy… if I were a screenwriter creating today’s House, my producer would say that’s just too anvilicious and would make me change the character’s name).

Which really goes to the argument that she needs to step aside, as her record as Speaker is more about keeping her party from voting for something that getting them to do something. Instead of getting out there to sway public opinion and work with the growing sentiment in the ranks to impeach, she’s instead commenting on how she personally doesn’t support impeachment when she’s not using similar sentiment in her fellow moderates as an excuse for inaction.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:01:16am

re: #164 DangerMan

Both Nancy and Ted Lieu talked about holding people in contempt. Hopefully, they will start issuing hefty fines against these thugs.

Which Russia will be only too happy to pay…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:04:21am

re: #176 lawhawk

Gee, I can’t imagine what news network he’d want to blow up, can you?

///

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Charmingly Persistent  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:05:11am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Yes.

Ok, then, you get to complain. :-)

I personally am in favor of impeachment now. But I don’t think Nancy Pelosi can or should lead the charge. She is good at vote counting and getting things through the last few hurdles. She is not good at convincing people to support things. Her charisma is -27 - and I like her.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:05:56am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Yes.

You were reluctant the other day for many reasons. What changed your mind?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:06:12am

re: #211 Charmingly Persistent

Ok, then, you get to complain. :-)

I personally am in favor of impeachment now. But I don’t think Nancy Pelosi can or should lead the charge. She is good at vote counting and getting things through the last few hurdles. She is not good at convincing people to support things. Her charisma is -27 - and I like her.

Pelosi should be in the background and Lieu and AOC should be in the foreground.

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:08:37am

re: #212 Belafon

You were reluctant the other day for many reasons. What changed your mind?

Personally, I saw my position as one of resignation and frustration rather than reluctance. And I’d already sent an email months prior, right around the time that the Mueller Report came out. What I got back was a form letter.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:12:11am

re: #211 Charmingly Persistent

Ok, then, you get to complain. :-)

I personally am in favor of impeachment now. But I don’t think Nancy Pelosi can or should lead the charge. She is good at vote counting and getting things through the last few hurdles. She is not good at convincing people to support things. Her charisma is -27 - and I like her.

Getting things through the last few hurdles means convincing people to support things, and horse trading. She also counts the votes and know how to whip the caucus.

Right now, not enough Democrats are behind impeachment. She knows it. Even if the House impeaches, what does that get Democrats. It opens up risks (acceptable IMO, but she thinks there’s downside to it - and it’s her job to look at that too).

I think she’s playing it too safe, but that’s where AOC, Lieu, Schiff, and others can lead on getting the facts/evidence out there to make the case for impeachment. It’s also on constituents to demand their reps to get behind impeaching Trumpworld.

I’ve written to my Congressional caucus - Booker, Menendez, and Gottheimer, to get behind impeachment to protect the rule of law and that we need to hold all the GOP responsible for the endless criminality emanating from Trumpworld. Complicity and conspiracy against the US. Trump’s emoluments. Trump’s obstruction of justice. All of it.

This has to happen. Even if the House impeaches, the Senate will likely kill it - but that’s where holding the GOP responsible for enabling Trump has merit. There are enough GOPers running for reelection and who’d be smeared with Trump’s toxic criminality that it may sway things in to 2020 - allowing the Democrats to retake the Senate. Maybe not enough to get to 60, but enough to send McConnell packing.

And only then can we start cleaning up this mess, which will take a generation or more to achieve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:12:38am
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MsJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:12:52am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Gee, I can’t imagine what news network he’d want to blow up, can you?

///

The Failing New York Times would be my guess.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:14:04am

re: #199 makeitstop

Yeah, you’d pay more for that gear if you were buying it from the guy down the street.

But that seems to be the way auction houses roll. We went to the showing of David Gilmour’s collection the day before the auction, and I was eyeballing a lap steel guitar that they ‘estimated’ would go off for $1500. My wife even green-lighted the bid, but I didn’t bother.

Said lap steel ended up selling for $66K.

In that case I am definitely going to want to check back at auction time and see what some of this stuff goes for. Some of the estimates that are blowing my mind are things like ‘50’s Les Pauls and 60’s blackfaces, etc.
So I guess I shouldn’t bother bidding… there are plenty of things there that I would love to take for $200-300, but it sounds like those numbers will quickly rocket out of my budgetosphere.

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CarolJ  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:22:45am

re: #218 Jebediah, RBG

I imagine that what we are seeing right now are minimum prices-the “in case we get no bids” or what’s left over after the auction. You set a base amount so that it’s gone no matter what happens. Those guitars will sell for at least the stated price.

With an estate there are two issues: one is getting rid of the stuff and at a price that at least covers getting rid of the stuff. And at the same time the families owning this stuff have no idea what the true worth of the items being bid for could be, especially since its been decades since some items were sold at retail.

Too high, and you get nothing, too low and you can’t cover the costs of the auction.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:23:11am

Trump wants a Nobel Prize. He thinks he gets one for what exactly? He’s failed at everything he’s attempted thus far, and he’s made several situations demonstrably worse (including North Korea, where his summits have been nothing more than photo ops that enable North Korea to keep their nukes and continue building their nuclear arsenals).

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:24:27am
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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:24:57am

re: #215 lawhawk

Getting things through the last few hurdles means convincing people to support things, and horse trading. She also counts the votes and know how to whip the caucus.

Right now, not enough Democrats are behind impeachment. She knows it. Even if the House impeaches, what does that get Democrats. It opens up risks (acceptable IMO, but she thinks there’s downside to it - and it’s her job to look at that too).

I think she’s playing it too safe, but that’s where AOC, Lieu, Schiff, and others can lead on getting the facts/evidence out there to make the case for impeachment. It’s also on constituents to demand their reps to get behind impeaching Trumpworld.

I’ve written to my Congressional caucus - Booker, Menendez, and Gottheimer, to get behind impeachment to protect the rule of law and that we need to hold all the GOP responsible for the endless criminality emanating from Trumpworld. Complicity and conspiracy against the US. Trump’s emoluments. Trump’s obstruction of justice. All of it.

This has to happen. Even if the House impeaches, the Senate will likely kill it - but that’s where holding the GOP responsible for enabling Trump has merit. There are enough GOPers running for reelection and who’d be smeared with Trump’s toxic criminality that it may sway things in to 2020 - allowing the Democrats to retake the Senate. Maybe not enough to get to 60, but enough to send McConnell packing.

And only then can we start cleaning up this mess, which will take a generation or more to achieve.

The growing frustration in the ranks seems to be largely due to the bolded, where instead of projecting the appearance of a leader who’s powerless to move a reluctant caucus towards voting to hold Trump accountable, she instead gives all the appearance of one who actively opposes impeachment and is looking for any “alternatives” that do not carry the same risks. Hence the emphasis on individual committees conducting their own investigations and upon seeking compliance with subpoeans issued by those committees through the courts, with the overall narrative being that the election can substitute for the an impeachment.

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sagehen  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:27:15am

re: #217 MsJ

The Failing New York Times would be my guess.

Not a network.

But CNN…

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:27:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:30:06am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:30:27am

re: #224 jaunte

When will some reporter be brave enough to ask about our relationship with Wakanda?

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Targetpractice  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:31:32am

re: #226 Belafon

When will some reporter be brave enough to ask about our relationship with Wakanda?

Or if he thinks we need to bomb Agrabah for the attack on the Saudi oil fields?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:34:00am

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:37:02am

re: #203 Citizen K

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He meant when Putin took over the United States

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:44:12am

re: #203 Citizen K

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Well…just because: Imagine if Obama said that? I mean, conservatives used to analyze every Obama speech for how often he said “I” or “me” as evidence he was a narcissist. They absolutely freaked out when Michelle said that Obama winning the nomination was the first time she had been proud of her country. They’d be apoplectic over a gaffe like that.

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DangerMan  Sep 23, 2019 • 11:47:49am

re: #224 jaunte

asshat


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