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Ace-o-aces  Sep 30, 2019 • 7:45:23pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 30, 2019 • 7:59:55pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

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Dread Pirate  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:18:37pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:23:14pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:25:46pm

Saying hello from 30,000 feet, guys! PSA: TMobile gives you an hour of inflight wifi free. Went to my niece’s wedding, was nice time. Although someone hit and ran some damage on my rental. I got the collision through Travelocity so I hope it works out. ☹️

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:28:09pm

I’m reading through this summary of a new Internet protocol proposed by Google, and the summary definitely splits the good and the bad:

Sounds not great:

Congressional antitrust investigators are vetting Google’s plans to use a new Internet protocol out of worry it could limit competitors’ access to consumer data. Google said the protocol would improve online security, but U.S. House Judiciary Committee investigators are inquiring whether the data gathered by the standard will be commercialized.

Sounds great:

The protocol would modernize the domain name system, to encrypt online traffic and improve security, preventing hacker eavesdropping on websites and spoofing.

Sounds great:

However, cable and wireless companies warned the standard could block them from user data if browser users migrate to the protocol, which many Internet service providers (ISPs) do not support; ISPs also are concerned that Google may coax Chrome browser users to shift to protocol-supporting Google services.

Sounds good:

Google said the browser changes will let consumers control who shares their Internet traffic data,

Sounds iffy:

but the Electronic Frontier Foundation is concerned about erosion of the Internet’s decentralized structure.

wsj.com (I don’t have a subscription for the full story).

If the government was doing what was needed, we might be able to solve a bunch of these problems, but since government is letting business call the shots, we either get something like Google or we get nothing but hacks and theft.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:30:23pm

Living in history is exhausting.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:31:01pm

Could be worse, though.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:37:56pm

Charles posted some Mitch not too long ago.

Pop

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:45:12pm

re: #7 jaunte

Living in history is exhausting.

Could be worse. We could have spent the last week talking about how damned frustrating it was that yet another scandal was floating by while the Dems sat idle.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:46:03pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Could be worse. We could have spent the last week talking about how damned frustrating it was that yet another scandal was floating by while the Dems sat idle.

Or, even worse, imagine if Republicans still had control of the House.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:49:25pm

re: #11 Belafon

Or, even worse, imagine if Republicans still had control of the House.

At least with the Repubs in the House, we might not have found ourselves in danger of a party-wide schism over whether or not to impeach. The powerlessness in the face of Trump would have a been a bit more believable then.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:52:34pm

re: #11 Belafon

Or, even worse, imagine if Republicans still had control of the House.

Or even worse, imagine if we had 100,000 troops in the Persian Gulf.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:54:55pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

At least with the Repubs in the House, we might not have found ourselves in danger of a party-wide schism over whether or not to impeach. The powerlessness in the face of Trump would have a been a bit more believable then.

It does look like that schism is over on the Democratic side.

Discussion of impeachment on social media (a small minority of the country) is still important, because impeachment is a grave step for the US House to take. No matter which party initiates impeachment, it will look partisan to the other party.

The discussions of “should we,” “how,” “if,” &c were all important to gauge public support for the idea. Investigations have been going on even without the formal announcement.

What the right would charaterise as a schism (Democrats in Disarray) was actually an important discussion of whether we should or no.

Nancy Pelosi is not dumb; she knows how to count votes. She also knows what’s happened in other impeachment enquirires.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2019 • 8:55:23pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

At least with the Repubs in the House, we might not have found ourselves in danger of a party-wide schism over whether or not to impeach. The powerlessness in the face of Trump would have a been a bit more believable then.

“Republicans are destroying democracy, but at least Democrats wouldn’t be divided” seems like a really bad alternate history take.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:01:13pm

re: #15 Belafon

“Republicans are destroying democracy, but at least Democrats wouldn’t be divided” seems like a really bad alternate history take.

There’s any number of scenarios where the House Repubs could have kept the majority and still been rendered virtually powerless. Remember that there was a lot of talk last year that the Dems might have a great night and still fall short.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:02:06pm

The Government of Portugal has issued a hurricane warning for the Azores.

Hurricane Lorenzo is still at 90kts. The windfield is also getting larger.

The NHC has moved the track back to the right indicating a potential strike on Mayo, Donegal, and Northern Ireland.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:03:09pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

There’s any number of scenarios where the House Repubs could have kept the majority and still been rendered virtually powerless. Remember that there was a lot of talk last year that the Dems might have a great night and still fall short.

And my point is that we’d be much worse off if they had fallen short. Do we get Trump’s release of the transcript if Democrats haven’t called for an impeachment inquiry if the IC whistleblower is too scared to keep pushing for the complaint to become public?

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:04:44pm

Hillary and Chelsea on Colbert tonight.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:05:32pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I hadn’t realized hurricanes were fairly common re-curving back to Europe; looks like they’re getting more so.

“…In a paper published in April 2013, the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute predicted that by the year 2100, global warming would greatly increase the threat of hurricane-force winds to western Europe from former tropical cyclones and hybrid storms, the latter similar to Hurricane Sandy in 2012. One model predicted an increase from 2 to 13 in the number of cyclones with hurricane-force winds in the waters offshore western Europe. The study suggested that conditions favorable for tropical cyclones would expand 1,100 km (700 mi) to the east. A separate study based out of University of Castile-La Mancha predicted that hurricanes would develop in the Mediterranean Sea in Septembers by the year 2100, which would threaten countries in southern Europe.”
en.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:06:51pm

re: #18 Belafon

And my point is that we’d be much worse off if they had fallen short. Do we get Trump’s release of the transcript if Democrats haven’t called for an impeachment inquiry if the IC whistleblower is too scared to keep pushing for the complaint to become public?

I think I mentioned this on the day of, there was no clear timeline on when Trump made that offer to Pelosi to “make a deal.” He could have been contemplating doing it anyway, as it seems that Yertle had started pressing him to do such before the impeachment inquiry was announced.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:07:56pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:12:17pm

So I just went through the last threads after another power failure (resetting all my electronics gets old fast).

Just wow. But at least I got some things done while cut off from the reporting on infrastructure week.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:13:18pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:16:25pm

Hillary Clinton on Rudy Giuliani:
“From what we’ve seen on television, ‘carefully thinking through’ is not one of his strong points.”

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Dread Pirate  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:18:06pm
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plansbandc  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:26:03pm

Blocking moonbats and BernieBros is almost as satisfying as blocking trumpsters.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:26:45pm

re: #20 jaunte

So-called Medicanes (Mediterranean Tropical-Like Cyclones—goes to Wikipedia, with satellite photos) are not particularly rare now. They occasionally reach Category 1 strength.

The Mediterranean Basin is surrounded by high mountains with desert to the south, somewhat restricting cyclone growth in the region.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:27:16pm

I am home from services and friends had a nice dinner prepared. Amazing to see how many folks at services have turned on Booby Nincompoopo and Trump. They have no kind words for either and I believe that the massacre at Tree Of Life and other synagogues make them want Trump gone ASAP!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:29:15pm

re: #23 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

So I just went through the last threads after another power failure (resetting all my electronics gets old fast).

Just wow. But at least I got some things done while cut off from the reporting on infrastructure week.

You seem to lose power more than we do here. What’s up with that?

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:34:36pm

Look at these stumblebums go!

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:35:02pm

I’m also playing catch-up tonight, though in my case it’s because my work hours mean I’m usually never awake when the feces hits the rotary impeller. But Good Zod, just how fucking deep does this rabbit hole go?

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:35:20pm

re: #31 jaunte

What a hell of a time to be alive.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:35:42pm

re: #26 Dread Pirate

There are some in that thread questioning whether the letter was vetted properly, as in the Killian documents.

I imagine it would be a straightforward thing to do: Ask the Ambassador or embassy if the letter is real.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:36:01pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:44:01pm

Donald Trump Is Stupid King Lear And The Wall Street Journal Is Fools And Madmen (Goes to Wonkette, the lede of the article):

Friday, the Wall Street Journal ran a really dumb op-ed (but we repeat ourselves), in which “musical theater composer-lyricist” Gregg Opelka explained that Donald Trump would never pressure the president of Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden, because Donald Trump is a boss who does stuff for himself; he’d never stoop to extortion because that would be an “admission of weakness” out of character with Trump’s “character.” Says he, “In Mr. Trump’s world, real warriors don’t connive, they conquer.”

Yes, he really seems to think Donald Trump is just a guy who is too honorable to stoop to dirty tricks. But then Opelka has to go and drag Shakespeare into it, and that’s when things get very stupid indeed, because Gregg Opelka misreads th’ ImmortalBardofAvon as badly as he misreads Donald Trump’s character. We’re not all that surprised that Ted Cruz can’t understand Star Trek or The Simpsons, but to see someone who apparently has a real career in The Thea-tah bollix up basic Shakespearean tragedy this badly is breathtaking.

See if you can spot the flaw in Opelka’s analysis here:

(more)

The WSJ is using theatre writers for their op-eds? What the everlasting (sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties … please stand by).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:44:02pm

OK I’m catching up in what I missed while at services & dinner.

Now what the fuck is Gorka doing flying with Pompeo????

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:44:27pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK I’m catching up in what I missed while at services & dinner.

Now what the fuck is Gorka doing flying with Pompeo????

Fleeing the country?

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:44:54pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’re pretending he’s “press.”

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:50:55pm
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CarolJ  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:51:55pm

re: #18 Belafon

Let’s not forget all of the awful laws they could have rammed through and the cuts to the safety net. They were already talking about cuts to Medicare, Social Security and the safety net in general. (I’m a retiree now-little nervous about this). And given the antics we have seen already, imagine if the Republicans still had the trifecta. Trump might have been freer to make laws to criminalize a lot of stuff in the Resistance. But Nancy isn’t going to even consider that stuff, and if history holds, will have the gavel at least until 2022, when we hope that Biden/Warrren/Harris sits in the big chair. And remember the last time we got the trifecta in 2006, we kept it for 2008 (a Presidential year) and got healthcare and the beginnings of the big recovery.

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CarolJ  Sep 30, 2019 • 9:55:17pm

And no telling what stuff we stopped by having the House and Senate in 2006-2008. Expansion into Iran was already being discussed in some circles. While its easy to bash Dems back then for not impeaching Bush, Dems were hardly united on the subject, were still suffering from electoral shell shock from losses from McGovern to Daddy Bush, and too broke to fight a lot of wars politically.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 10:00:50pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2019 • 10:02:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 10:03:46pm

Peru’s Vizcarra closes Congress, but rebel lawmakers refuse to leave (Reuters)

President Vizcarra has been leading an anti-graft campaign, which is being resisted by the right-wing congress. Under Peru’s constitution, the president can close Congress and call for new elections under certain conditions.

“Peruvian people, we have done all we could,” Vizcarra told the nation in a televised message. He vowed to call new legislative elections to let voters weigh in on a dispute he says has stymied his bid to stamp out graft in the ruling class.

Opposition representatives cried “Dictator” after Vizcarra invoked a constitutional article allowing presidents to dissolve Congress, and immediately voted to declare him temporarily suspended, naming Vice President Mercedes Araoz to replace him.

But a government source said their efforts were void, since Congress was already officially closed.

Vizcarra accused Popular Force, the opposition majority party led by jailed former presidential candidate Keiko Fujimori, of trying to use democratic institutions for personal gain.

The party has dragged its feet on passing his anti-corruption reforms and last week shelved his bill for a snap general election to end the impasse.

(more)

Conservatives are refusing to leave the Congress. Protestors are gathering outside the Congress to demand the conservatives leave power.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 10:47:51pm

Toronto van attack suspect says he was ‘radicalized’ online by ‘incels’ (Goes to The Guardian)

The man accused of killing 10 people by ploughing his van onto a crowded Toronto sidewalk has admitted that he was a violent misogynist who was radicalized online, in a video that was made public on Friday.

Alek Minassian is accused of driving a rental van into a crowd on one of Toronto’s busiest streets, killing 10 pedestrians and injuring 16, in the deadliest act of mass murder in the city’s history.

The attack traumatized Canada’s largest city, and cast a spotlight on the so-called “incel” online subculture of men united by sexual frustration and a hatred of women.

(more)

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meteor  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:00:08pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:01:21pm

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹🎃

You seem to lose power more than we do here. What’s up with that?

No idea. But this is the first time in years. I hope they find the source of the problem — I’m already sick of doing resets.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:21:55pm

re: #44 jaunte

In the recent print edition of Foreign Affairs (the publication of the Council on Foreign Relations, yes I’m part of the New World Order, why do you ask), the RAND Corporation make a similar argument in an article regarding Middle East states when they hire experts to advise totalitarian leaders.

The expert will start out making recommendations to the leader, sometimes contrary to the sorts of things the totalitarian wishes to do or be seen as doing. Experts will quickly find they either start pandering to the leader or they get ejected from the government and sent home.

Additionally, other people in the government who see an expert with the ear of a leader will get their own experts with different opinions, and use them against the preferred experts to discredit the leader.

Essentially it’s the same here with conservatives and shivs for anyone who crosses them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:24:04pm

Donny is going to be in rare form tomorrow.
For those that don’t know, China is having a little parade today.
Marking 70 years of Communist rule.

Donny is going a parade, bigly

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:29:13pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate

The attorney general is making undisclosed trips overseas asking foreign intel services to help investigate U.S. intel services. That is not normal.

And the reason the AG is doing this? Because the American intelligence services aren’t telling Trump what he wants to hear.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 30, 2019 • 11:49:14pm

Oh yay, Ravi Zacharias’s Christian ministry is now conflating epilepsy and demon possession. The claim is “what looks like epilepsy might not be” and it could be caused by “unforgiveness or bitterness in our heart” which open up a window to Satan to take control of a person.

His folks are also pushing that simply “mechanistic” (read: medical) explanations of what’s observed do not account for the “spiritual” and therefore medicine can’t actually “heal” a person.

Of course, no mainstream religious organisation will call out his organisation as peddling bullshit.

They then hedge by saying “well, not all seizures are demons, and epilepsy can be a serious medical condition, but you really need to evaluate the person’s spirituality.”

This nutbar Protestant has millions of Christian followers who hang on every word his ministry says about the Bible.

The claim is a word in the New Testament which they say could be translated a number of different ways.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 12:46:23am

Well, I killed the thread dead. It must be rum o’clock.

The worrisome thing about Dr. Mr. Zacharias up there (busted in the past for not having the PhD he claimed he has by Christianity Today) is that he is viewed as mainstream by cable outlets. He is a frequent guest on networks like CNN and FOX News Channel.

If he starts peddling this bullshyte, that puts millions of people like me in danger (not that we aren’t already).

I could run into a million Christians who either don’t care I have epilepsy, or if they did might respond with “I will pray for you” or “I know a good doctor” or “I don’t really know anything about that, could you tell me more.” None of these are in the least threatening, and though I might think prayer is a useless exercise, I’m not going to throw some snarky comment back; it would be more like “thank you for your concern.”

All it takes is one nutbar with the idea I really am possessed by demons. That person through the lens of religion (and Dr. Mr. Zacharias is hardly the only preacher who believes this) thinks I am a real danger to his family because I’m demon-possessed.

Fortunately I’m not in a stand-your-ground state. If I was, that would be a valid defence against murder (you only need credible fear, not facts, to kill someone in self-defence).

Aside from killings, such people are fully in their rights to shun people from society, &c in the name of their faith.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 1:22:23am

re: #54 Amory Blaine

I have trouble upfisting a bridge collapse video.

It looks like a boat was crushed under the collapsed bridge. Since I don’t understand Chinese, I can’t tell if anyone was hurt in the collapse or not.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 1:50:14am

There is a half-staff day according to law in October.

Flag Observances for October (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

Shameless page promotion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 1, 2019 • 2:19:53am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 2:58:29am

Dad: Charges in baby’s death ‘unfair,’ about faith (goes to WOOD-TV, Grand Rapids, Mich., NBC affiliate channel 8):

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — The man accused of murder in the starvation death of his baby proclaimed his innocence in a jailhouse interview with 24 Hour News 8 Thursday.

Seth Welch and his wife Tatiana Fusari, both 27, are charged with open murder and child abuse in the death of their 10-month-old daughter Mary Ann Welch. Mary was found dead in her crib at the family’s Cedar Springs-area home last week. An autopsy found she died of malnutrition and dehydration.

Welch told 24 Hour News 8 he had no idea the baby was ill. He repeated claims made to police that he cared for his children without the aid of doctors because of religious beliefs.

“I believe I am being unfairly charged, being made an example of for my very strong faith,” Welch said. “Going into the doctor’s office these days is just about as dangerous as not going.”

Welch said he was stunned by the charges and the potential penalty of life in prison. His mouth hung agape as the judge read the charging information during his arraignment earlier this week.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 3:50:59am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Dad: Charges in baby’s death ‘unfair,’ about faith (goes to WOOD-TV, Grand Rapids, Mich., NBC affiliate channel 8):

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Unfairly implies he wouldn’t be punished if he wasn’t religious. That’s bs.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:04:03am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Unfairly implies he wouldn’t be punished if he wasn’t religious. That’s bs.

He’ll be punished. That said, the religious often get a pass or a reduced sentence because they are religious. They often get preference in civil suits (such as my divorce).

There is absolutely no question there is bias in the judicial system which favours religious people, especially Christians. This has been shown in sentencing, jail privileges, or parole.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:13:42am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

His claim according to the article is he is being persecuted because of his faith.

Most states allow religious exemptions from child abuse and neglect laws (Goes to Pew Research Center)

These of course would never be applied to Muslims or Hindus.

All states have laws prohibiting child abuse and neglect. But in 34 states (as well as the District of Columbia, Guam and Puerto Rico), there are exemptions in the civil child abuse statutes when medical treatment for a child conflicts with the religious beliefs of parents, according to data collected by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Additionally, some states have religious exemptions to criminal child abuse and neglect statutes, including at least six that have exemptions to manslaughter laws.

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Michigan (the state he is being tried in) has a religious exemption law for medical neglect. Thus arises his persecution claim, since the law supports his position that he doesn’t need to seek a physician because of his Christian faith.

Addendum: Only sixteen states allow no exemption for religion, including mine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:19:15am

it is awake and spewing

and he thinks this is great (guessing he’s not seeing all of the jokes being made)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:21:49am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

it is awake and spewing

From Trump’s first tweet in your list:

You cannot judge my Stock Market performance since the Inauguration, which was very good, but only from the day after the big Election Win, which was spectacular due to the euphoria of getting Obama/Biden OUT, & getting Trump/Pence IN. WentI up BIG between Nov. 9 & Inauguration!

Obama and Biden were out due to term limits you absolute cinder block.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:23:17am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

it is awake and spewing

[Embedded content]

Again he says perfect. Not lawful or acceptable but perfect. He’s losing his marbles even more than usual.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:24:13am

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From Trump’s first tweet in your list:

Obama and Biden were out due to term limits you absolute cinder block.

Obama would have crushed his ass. He knows it too. It’s why he didn’t run in 2012.

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garzooma  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:28:29am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

And the reason the AG is doing this? Because the American intelligence services aren’t telling Trump what he wants to hear.

It’s much, much worse. He’s trying to destroy the IC’s ability to protect against Russian crimes against Americans, since these crimes help him and Moscow Mitch.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:28:56am

I feel a kind of nausea when I see certain faces: Trump (of course), Sarah Sanders, KAC, Stephen Miller, and most recently, Bill Barr.*

*As I started typing this I realized that the list is actually pretty long and includes pretty much everyone who is a Trump or in-law, a Trump advisor, or a Trump Cabinet member…. Oh, and Mitch, and….

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:30:11am

re: #66 garzooma

It’s much, much worse. He’s trying to destroy the IC’s ability to protect against Russian crimes against Americans, since these crimes help him and Moscow Mitch.

This is basically what he meant when he floated Putin’s idea of a cooperative cyber-security organization between Russia and the US.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:32:14am

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

I feel a kind of nausea when I see certain faces: Trump (of course), Sarah Sanders, KAC, Stephen Miller, and most recently, Bill Barr.*

*As I started typing this I realized that the list is actually pretty long and includes pretty much everyone who is a Trump or in-law, a Trump advisor, or a Trump Cabinet member…. Oh, and Mitch, and….

I immediately put my headphones or earbuds if I hear certain voices. Trumps especially.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:33:50am

re: #68 Barefoot Grin

This is basically what he meant when he floated Putin’s idea of a cooperative cyber-security organization between Russia and the US.

Which even if you don’t think he’s a Russian asset is the stupidest idea. We have different interests than Russia to put it mildly. It would be troubling if he suggested it for the UK or Israel, it’s outright disturbing he suggest it for Russia.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:34:29am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I immediately put my headphones or earbuds if I hear certain voices. Trumps especially.

Me, too. My wife makes me keep the remote in my hand when we watch TV so that I can hit mute or change the channel whenever Trump or KAC come on.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:38:07am

re: #71 Barefoot Grin

Me, too. My wife makes me keep the remote in my hand when we watch TV so that I can hit mute or change the channel whenever Trump or KAC come on.

I recently set my Mom up with a Spotify account. I think she’ll go mad if all she hears is Trump bs every day. Music, pot, & the good people here are why I haven’t gone completely nuts.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 4:40:48am

Well, I’m off to bed.

Yesterday was International Blasphemy Day (established by the Centre for Inquiry).

The US Commission for Religious Freedom lists seventy-one countries (including much of Europe) which still have blasphemy laws on the books. Many countries call for life in prison or the death penalty (and they aren’t all Muslim either).

In addition, six US states have such laws, though the federal government notes they are rarely enforced.

The states in the USA with blasphemy laws are Mich., Mass., Okla., Wyo., Penna., and So. Car.

In theory the I Amendment protects free speech. In practice, you can be arrested and though you would (likely) prevail, you’d be out a pile of money defending yourself in court.

In theory, my marriage equality sticker on my car could get me arrested any time I cross the state line into Wyoming (as many Christians view that as blasphemous).

The last case prosecuted for blasphemy was in Wyoming was in 2016 before the state supreme court involving a magistrate after Obergefell v Hodges was decided.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:03:47am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:04:57am

re: #74 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

DO NOT CONGRATULATE

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:07:21am
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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:33:47am

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:43:57am

re: #77 jeffreyw

What kind of birds are those?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:48:09am
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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:50:17am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

re: #3 Dread Pirate

The attorney general is making undisclosed trips overseas asking foreign intel services to help investigate U.S. intel services. That is not normal.

And the reason the AG is doing this? Because the American intelligence services aren’t telling Trump what he wants to hear.

So correct me if I’m wrong, but…

Despite the breaking of a scandal (which might end Trump’s Presidency) over the improper solicitation of foreign-government aid for his 2020 election campaign, the US Secretary of State AND the Attorney General are apparently still jetting around the world soliciting foreign-government aid for Trump’s 2020 election campaign?

And doing it under the guise of “fighting corruption”: irony must truly be dead…

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:53:37am

Good morning Lizards:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:54:05am
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:54:55am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brexit rations?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 5:56:02am
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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:02:59am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What kind of birds are those?

Titmouses (titmice?) on the flanks - chickadees center

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:09:29am

re: #85 jeffreyw

Titmouses (titmice?) on the flanks - chickadees center

I believe the plural is titmeeces.

ETA: And two chickadees are chickadeux I believe.

//

Good morning!

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dirkdigglerjr  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:12:49am

re: #86 lizardofid

We’ll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes;
But the plural of ox should be oxen not oxes.
One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.

You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn’t the plural of pan be called pen?

If I spoke of my foot and showed you my feet,
When I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?
If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn’t the plural of booth be called beeth?

If the singular is this, and the plural is these,
Why shouldn’t the plural of kiss be kese?
Then one may be that, and three would be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose.

We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
So plurals in English, I think you’ll agree,
Are indeed very tricky, singularly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:15:01am

re: #20 jaunte

I hadn’t realized hurricanes were fairly common re-curving back to Europe; looks like they’re getting more so.

Last big one that hit us was Kiril, around 2007. It hit Russia so bad that it blew the letters all the letters on the signs around backwards…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:18:28am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Dad: Charges in baby’s death ‘unfair,’ about faith (goes to WOOD-TV, Grand Rapids, Mich., NBC affiliate channel 8):

(more)

Freedom of Religion!!! Remember that’s what America was founded on!!!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:19:52am

The warning cone for Hurricane Lorenzo has been moved right (south) again, putting Counties Mayo and Donegal, along with western Northern Ireland and Scotland in the hurricane’s path.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:21:38am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹🎃

What kind of birds are those?

The hungry kind.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:22:43am

The good news about Trump’s congratulatory tweet to Xi is that the Chinese people don’t have access to twitter and can’t see it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:23:27am

re: #92 Barefoot Grin

The good news about Trump’s congratulatory tweet to Xi is that the Chinese people don’t have access to twitter and can’t see it.

Enough to make me consider moving to China…

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:25:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:26:39am

re: #94 jaunte

Imagine the deep, seething contempt you’d have to have for your supporters to simply assume that you can brainwash them into ignoring what is right there in black and white in the rough transcript released *by the White House itself.*

The same contempt displayed by showing one’s inaugural ceremony photos and insisting that the crowds were larger than one’s predecessor…

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:26:59am

In case anyone believed that Bret Stephens may have learned anything from his recent dust-ups, here’s a spoiler: he didn’t.

I for one didn’t realize he was actively doing stuff for PragerU still, so….yeah. Good job, NYT.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:27:23am

re: #94 jaunte

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Let’s be honest, what are the odds that most of the mouth-breathers that compose the majority of his base have even read the transcript?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:28:24am

re: #97 Targetpractice

Let’s be honest, what are the odds that most of the mouth-breathers that compose the majority of his base have even read the transcript?

They just know that it is “perfect”

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:28:39am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Imagine the deep, seething contempt you’d have to have for your supporters to simply assume that you can brainwash them into ignoring what is right there in black and white in the rough transcript released *by the White House itself.*

What’s even worse to imagine is that, contemptuous or not, Trump’s assumption re his supporters is likely entirely correct.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:39:43am

Good Morning!

Dan thinks with all that’s happening. This is a good look.

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:40:36am

So this happened in Finland… Now, please don’t let the motive be the same as in Sweden a couple of years ago… :’(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:45:42am
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garzooma  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:49:53am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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McConnell’s campaign running these Facebook ads saying Trump’s impeachment “stop in our conservative Senate”

There’s talk about impeachment strategy and whether it’s better to have a broad or narrow focus on issues to bring up, with the narrowest being just the extortion of Ukraine. But I think it’s also important to include the Russia stuff, if only so it can be pointed out that Moscow Mitch has a vested interest in encouraging further Russian crimes in US elections on behalf of Republicans.

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:52:30am

re: #101 Teukka

So this happened in Finland… Now, please don’t let the motive be the same as in Sweden a couple of years ago… :’(

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Will provide a TL;DR of the presser at 1600 local.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:57:31am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans control the Senate and the Executive, Democrats control the House. Our expectations if this process need to bet accordingly. We’re going to get impeachment. The only way we will get conviction is if McConnell sees it as the only way to get him reelected, and right now, he sees Russian interference as his only option.

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:59:11am

The One Where Zuck Exposes Himself As A Fellow Traveler?

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:59:39am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 6:59:44am

re: #106 Citizen K

The One Where Zuck Exposes Himself As A Fellow Traveler?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:00:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:01:00am

re: #106 Citizen K

The One Where Zuck Exposes Himself As A Fellow Traveler?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:01:10am

re: #106 Citizen K

Whoa, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg calls E warren an “existential” threat to his business interests, says he’ll “go to the mat” and “fight” her

Warren is a threat to Corporate America’s ability to exert undue influence on politics, media and society, totally short-circuiting democracy and democratic institutions.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:04:28am
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Mescalero09  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:05:10am

Donald Trump congratulated the 70th Anniversary of Communism in China and this was happening in Hong Kong.
Donnie stands with murderers.

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:06:19am

re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s strange, for being ‘new media’, Zuck and Facebook sound an awful lot like a certain Grey Lady.

“The More Things Change…” assumes that something has changed. Sometimes, I wonder.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:08:11am

re: #114 Citizen K

It’s strange, for being ‘new media’, Zuck and Facebook sound an awful lot like a certain Grey Lady.

“The More Things Change…” assumes that something has changed. Sometimes, I wonder.

They made their fortune as “new media” and are now Old Establishment

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:09:35am

Gonna guess he didn’t wish Carter a happy birthday.

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:10:10am

re: #104 Teukka

Will provide a TL;DR of the presser at 1600 local.

Update:
o Police have used their service firearms.
o One of the injured allegedly is a police officer.
o Suspect is a Finnish citizen and an ethnic Finn.

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:11:59am

re: #117 Teukka

Update:
o Police have used their service firearms.
o One of the injured allegedly is a police officer.
o Suspect is a Finnish citizen and an ethnic Finn.

Tragic and horrible as the whole things sounds, it’s still yet again one of those things where I, as an American, have to sit back and ask myself “How much worse would that have been with our level of gun access?”

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:13:15am

re: #114 Citizen K

It’s strange, for being ‘new media’, Zuck and Facebook sound an awful lot like a certain Grey Lady.

“The More Things Change…” assumes that something has changed. Sometimes, I wonder.

Meet the new boss media same as the old boss media!

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:13:23am

re: #118 Citizen K

Tragic and horrible as the whole things sounds, it’s still yet again one of those things where I, as an American, have to sit back and ask myself “How much worse would that have been with our level of gun access?”

Same question I’m asking myself… Finland used to have more lenient gun laws until a spate of shootings.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:13:50am

re: #119 lizardofid

Meet the new boss media same as the old boss media!

Grandpa was right. It’s all about green.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:16:43am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Grandpa was right. It’s all about green.

Just follow the Benjamins

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:17:51am

re: #119 lizardofid

Meet the new boss media same as the old boss media!

You all would love American Gods.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:25:53am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The warning cone for Hurricane Lorenzo has been moved right (south) again, putting Counties Mayo and Donegal, along with western Northern Ireland and Scotland in the hurricane’s path.

nhc.noaa.gov

Notice how the top and right of the track are squared off because when they wrote the software nobody thought they’d even need to show stuff so far north or east?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:26:35am

re: #123 Belafon

You all would love American Gods.

I enjoyed the book, started to watch the Amazon series but did not get very far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:27:44am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:28:22am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I enjoyed the book, started to watch the Amazon series but did not get very far.

It’s on Starz. And New Media, which replaced Old Media played by Gillian Anderson, is the same and worse.

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:29:11am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For him to remember something that convoluted, this long after (and he personally chose her)… he must have slept with her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:29:49am

Excellent thread on the Cold War origins of the Russian conspiracist/psywar method of political subversion. We have seen this played out in real time over the past ten years.

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:30:41am

re: #103 garzooma

There’s talk about impeachment strategy and whether it’s better to have a broad or narrow focus on issues to bring up, with the narrowest being just the extortion of Ukraine. But I think it’s also important to include the Russia stuff, if only so it can be pointed out that Moscow Mitch has a vested interest in encouraging further Russian crimes in US elections on behalf of Republicans.

And the Ukraine stuff ties into the Russia stuff. It was Ukraine who gave up the Manafort info, that led to so many more parts of the Russia investigation.

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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:30:57am

re: #96 Citizen K

explains how the NYPD’s “broken windows” policy—swiftly and forcefully punishing even petty crimes—can be applied by the United States on a global scale.

I misread that as “can be applied to the United States on a global scale” and thought it was a bit harsh.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:31:15am
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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:40:40am

re: #130 sagehen

And the Ukraine stuff ties into the Russia stuff. It was Ukraine who gave up the Manafort info, that led to so many more parts of the Russia investigation.

And have the shenanigans re: Ukraine in the GOP platform really been addressed? Even during Manafort’s trial, I never really saw the subject mentioned.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:42:34am

Here we go again:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:42:39am
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John Hughes  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:46:18am

re: #128 sagehen

For him to remember something that convoluted, this long after (and he personally chose her)… he must have slept with her.

So he was telling Zelensky “I fucked your women”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:46:59am

re: #129 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Excellent thread on the Cold War origins of the Russian conspiracist/psywar method of political subversion. We have seen this played out in real time over the past ten years.

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Don’t normally do this but I think it is necessary this time. Unroll of Matt’s thread.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:51:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:53:16am
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sagehen  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:53:57am

re: #137 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Don’t normally do this but I think it is necessary this time. Unroll of Matt’s thread.

Short version:

They play chess. Really well. We don’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:56:57am

re: #138 Dave In Austin

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Interesting that he thinks the committee’s request is intimidation/bullying/improper treatment, but the administration directing him to investigate state department personnel emails because Her Emails! is completely not the same thing.

gaaah

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:57:00am

re: #140 sagehen

Short version:

They play chess. Really well. We don’t.

I’ve said this before. Chess is a game with two players only, and no element of chance. And brilliant chess players aren’t noted for their real world success.

Also, good morning.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:57:23am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

…Welch told 24 Hour News 8 he had no idea the baby was ill. He repeated claims made to police that he cared for his children without the aid of doctors because of religious beliefs.

apparently your ‘religious beliefs’ arent up to the task of identifying and communicating to you that your baby is ill

try science and medicine. they have a track record

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lawhawk  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:58:07am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

The question every reporter and journalist and pundit needs to pose to Trumpworld shills:

If the Mueller report exonerates Trump completely and entirely, why the fuck (and use the work fuck here) is Trump having a backchannel effort to “discredit the Mueller report” and to dig up dirt on Biden?

These are two separate issues, so perhaps split them up accordingly:

Why the fuck is Trump sending his minions Barr, Rudy, and Pompeo to put screws to countries to dig up dirt on Trump’s political rivals?

Why the fuck is Trump sending his minions to discredit the Mueller report that Trump claimed exonerates Trump entirely.

The reality is that Mueller directly implicates Trump in impeachable offenses and Mueller couldn’t get beyond what he did because of Trumpworld obstruction. The whistleblower opens up new avenue of investigations into Trumpworld criminality - namely that Trump was using classified server to shield politically damaging convos from being revealed to the intel community and Mueller himself.

This itself is impeachable conduct.

Add it to the list.

So, as pundits now move to the mechanics and form of the articles of impeachment, I would suggest the narrative form.

Group the crimes together - obstruction from Mueller with the current Ukraine obstruction since it is a continuation of the same illegal conduct.

Financial crimes with financial crimes.

Emoluments with using his office to enrich himself and manipulate outcomes to favor him personally.

I know some pundits want to go with abbreviated articles. I think that’s wrong. This isn’t a kitchen sink approach, but a comprehensive narrative that shows everyone the fullness of Trumpworld corruption and criminality.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 7:58:47am

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

I feel a kind of nausea when I see certain faces: Trump (of course), Sarah Sanders, KAC, Stephen Miller, and most recently, Bill Barr.*

*As I started typing this I realized that the list is actually pretty long and includes pretty much everyone who is a Trump or in-law, a Trump advisor, or a Trump Cabinet member…. Oh, and Mitch, and….

the make america kittens again plugin helps a lot. about 80%. doesnt do videos though

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:00:54am

re: #86 lizardofid

I believe the plural is titmeeces.

ETA: And two chickadees are chickadeux I believe.

//

Good morning!

one hippopotami…

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:03:57am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting that he thinks the committee’s request is intimidation/bullying/improper treatment, but the administration directing him to investigate state department personnel emails because Her Emails! is completely not the same thing.

gaaah

Pompeo is just another loud mouth bully

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:05:10am

so i woke up and the ship of state is still afloat….

good news. so far

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lawhawk  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:07:29am

re: #140 sagehen

I’d argue that the Soviets failed the long game. They couldn’t sustain themselves economically no matter how much their psyops and conintel efforts were successful from time to time.

The problem is that Putin is bringing back the same kind of psyops and infiltration efforts that were successful not during the Soviet period, but the pre-Soviet revolution period. During that time, the tsarists used anarchists and terrorists to sow discord, feed misinformation, and create chaos in Russia’s rivals to sustain itself a while longer.

Putin is using cutouts and intermediaries to further his agenda, and in Trump found a willing lackey who thinks that if it benefits Trump, it’s worth doing, even if it throws the US under the bus.

Trump furthers Putin’s agenda, not ours, and Trump doesn’t realize it. We see Putin’s fingerprints all over various crises around the world, from Trump to Brexit.

Everything Trump touches dies. And Trump is intent on gutting our intel services to further Trump’s personal political and economic fortunes. For that alone, he must be impeached.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:10:41am

re: #149 lawhawk

I’d argue that the Soviets failed the long game. They couldn’t sustain themselves economically no matter how much their psyops and conintel efforts were successful from time to time.

Putin is not out for world domination, his agenda is more centered on re-establishing the old Russian Empire. And his people seem to be better educated on how to use media and spread (dis)information than Americans, who get their info from Fox News of their Twitter/FB feed.

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:11:32am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting that he thinks the committee’s request is intimidation/bullying/improper treatment, but the administration directing him to investigate state department personnel emails because Her Emails! is completely not the same thing.

gaaah

I had joked yesterday that I fully expected Rudy to try and hold the committee in contempt, because he seemed to be stupid enough to make the claim that he could do that to them, rather than vice versa.

I’m wondering if Pompeo making this statement makes it less and less of a joke, because he seems to be edging toward the admin full out denying the legitimacy of the committee.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:13:47am

this is bizarre, and totally expected.

anyone, and i mean anyone at this stage who doesnt think congress should even be looking into any of this, well, wow….

you think it’s better to keep your head buried in the sand?
to not know?

and if you think no one did anything wrong, then what’s the fear?
- that something does get uncovered - ie you were wrong and there were crimes
- the democrats will make something up and railroad people. no. you give them too much credit and they dont have that much power.
- they ought to be working on the ‘people’s business’. talk to mitch. he’s holding it all up
- it’ll somehow break down the spirit of cooperation and make the polarization of politics worse (yeah right)

- perversely as a dem you think there was no wrongdoing and trying to get to the bottom of it will hurt election chances when nothing gets ‘proved’

it’s really insane that so many people don’t even want to know

eta: CNBC

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:16:24am

re: #152 DangerMan

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this is bizarre, and totally expected.


it’s really insane that so many people don’t even want to know

link?

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lawhawk  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:16:27am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hence my next paragraph:

The problem is that Putin is bringing back the same kind of psyops and infiltration efforts that were successful not during the Soviet period, but the pre-Soviet revolution period. During that time, the tsarists used anarchists and terrorists to sow discord, feed misinformation, and create chaos in Russia’s rivals to sustain itself a while longer.

Putin knows that Russia is pretty well screwed. It lacks tech know how/infobase, and relies almost entirely on military weapons sales and oil to sustain itself. That’s why causing chaos with the EU is part and parcel of his strategy to keep discord within Russia to a minimum (if everyone else is sucking, we can’t be that bad off).

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:17:14am

re: #153 b.d. (Impeach them all)

link?

sorry

CNBC

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:18:52am
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:19:34am

re: #155 DangerMan

sorry

CNBC

Thanks.

That is quite a bit differnt than yesterday’s poll.

* The poll of 800 Americans nationwide was conducted last week.

Yesterday’s poll showed 90% of Dems supporting:

The poll shows that 88% of Republicans oppose impeachment, compared with 76% of Democrats who favor it. Independents are split about evenly, with 42% favoring impeachment and 43% opposing.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:20:02am

re: #157 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Thanks.

That is quite a bit differnt than yesterday’s poll.

Yesterday’s poll showed 90% of Dems supporting:

edited

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:22:32am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Quick, rescue it before Kellyanne sees it and decided she wants a snack.

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lawhawk  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:25:11am

re: #159 Targetpractice

Mousey….. mousey…..

Mmmmm…. Mousey….
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:29:50am

The Soviet Roots of Meddling in U.S. Politics

The Intelligence Community report says that Russia’s use of cyberwarfare and other tactics in 2016 was “the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order.” This is undoubtedly true, but the report goes on to claim that “these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.” This sweeping characterization is toned down later in the report, but only slightly. The notion that Russian intelligence services’ actions in 2016 were unprecedented in scale reflects an inadequate understanding of the historical context.

The reality is that the two main Soviet intelligence and security agencies—the KGB and GRU (military intelligence)—kept up a vigorous campaign for several decades to meddle in U.S. politics and discredit the United States. The “active measures” used by the KGB and GRU during the Cold War, including disinformation, forgeries of documents and letters, and the spread of propaganda through sympathetic individuals and front organizations, were remarkably similar to the tactics and goals of Russian intelligence agencies in 2016. Even though the World Wide Web and email did not exist during the Cold War, the basic methods used by the KGB and GRU in 2016 were simply adapted for the cyber age.

This is remarkable stuff, especially when you consider the source:

Mark Kramer
Director, Cold War Studies Program, and Senior Fellow, Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies
Harvard University

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:34:50am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A mouse in the WH?

A change from the usual rats they have to deal with (AKA The Trump Administration)…

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:40:13am

re: #138 Dave In Austin

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The only appropriate response from Schiff would be to announce that Pompeo and any of the five subpoenaed who refuses to sit for a deposition will face an inherent contempt charge and jail time for refusal to cooperate with a legitimate investigation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:44:07am

Dems three weeks ago: Why is Nancy Pelosi not supporting impeachment yet? This sucks!

Dems today: Woah, all this impeachment shit is happening fast!

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:46:57am

Time to start using those inherent contempt powers. Start with Pompeo.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:48:22am

Daou is right. Trump might go down but the infrastructure that created him won’t fall so easily.

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:50:52am

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

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retired cynic  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:50:55am

The second whistleblower

Judd Legum, Popular dot info

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:51:04am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Putin is not out for world domination, his agenda is more centered on re-establishing the old Russian Empire. And his people seem to be better educated on how to use media and spread (dis)information than Americans, who get their info from Fox News of their Twitter/FB feed.

The media and disinformation campaigns were successful because a party of quislings abetted them. Their continued success depends largely on continuing help from groups who see it as in their interest, without considering any long-term ramifications. Now that the whole campaign is coming into the open, we are able to fight back. But the real enemy isn’t Putin, it’s all his willing assistants here.

(I grew up in the Cold War, and I can remember when anything labeled “USSR” was automatically viewed with suspicion. Which is also a mistake, but not one so bad as ignoring or letting yourself be ignorant of the source.)

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:51:09am

Amber Guyger GUILTY

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:51:36am

re: #170 Stanley Sea

Amber Guyger GUILTY

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:51:44am

re: #163 Targetpractice

The only appropriate response from Schiff would be to announce that Pompeo and any of the five subpoenaed who refuses to sit for a deposition will face an inherent contempt charge and jail time for refusal to cooperate with a legitimate investigation.

yeah there is no ‘defense’ for this
you dont get to decide whether it’s ‘legitimate’

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:52:52am

re: #167 lizardofid

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

i was worried yesterday

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:53:19am

Trump’s approval has nose dived in new polls. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:53:44am

re: #169 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Now that the whole campaign is coming into the open, we are able to fight back. But the real enemy isn’t Putin, it’s all his willing assistants here.

(I grew up in the Cold War, and I can remember when anything labeled “USSR” was automatically viewed with suspicion. Which is also a mistake, but not one so bad as ignoring or letting yourself be ignorant of the source.)

Our GOP loves them some Putin. He has the system they all aspire to: authoritarian, patriarchal, oligarchic, homophobic, theocratic, militaristic.

Only difference is that they would have Fundamentalist Protestantism instead of Russian Orthodoxy.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:54:15am

re: #167 lizardofid

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

Really thought it would have been manslaughter

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:54:34am

re: #167 lizardofid

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

Good. I really thought she was gonna skate.

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:55:12am

re: #167 lizardofid

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

Not really much of a surprise, this case was about as egregious an example of impaired irresponsibility-LEO or not - as can be. Though Texas: maybe slightly surprising….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:55:29am

Did the county in Texas change their DA by chance? I’ve been arguing the key to CJ reform is electing reformists as sheriffs and DAs.

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:56:21am

re: #173 DangerMan

i was worried yesterday

Yes, the judge’s instructions to the jury made it feel like a pretty high bar.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:56:33am

re: #167 lizardofid

Amber Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

I hate to be the person who is cheering for a verdict for a reason other than the fact that it is the fucking obvious verdict.

But *whew*, if the “White Women’s Castle Doctrine In A Black Guy’s Castle” defense worked, it would have been riots for days. And THAT GUY would love to have THOSE PEOPLE rioting right now…

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:56:56am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Did the county in Texas change their DA by chance? I’ve been arguing the key to CJ reform is electing reformists as sheriffs and DAs.

Election.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:57:44am

re: #152 DangerMan

IIRC, people didn’t think impeachment hearings were needed for Nixon when they started.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 8:58:07am

re: #182 lizardofid

Election.

Right. I knew Philly elected a new DA since Radley Balko likes him.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:00:26am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Did the county in Texas change their DA by chance? I’ve been arguing the key to CJ reform is electing reformists as sheriffs and DAs.

It was in Dallas, one of the liberal cities.

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danarchy  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:00:46am

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump’s approval has nose dived in new polls. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

I am not seeing the nosedive, It looks pretty consistently between 41-43%

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:01:39am

re: #185 Belafon

It was in Dallas, one of the liberal cities.

Right. But even liberal cities have entrenched DAs who have been reluctant to change their ways.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:03:14am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:05:04am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Right. But even liberal cities have entrenched DAs who have been reluctant to change their ways.

I think Dallas convicted another cop a few years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:06:07am

re: #189 Belafon

I think Dallas convicted another cop a few years ago.

Gotcha. Need to look at who their DA is. We need more men and women who are unafraid to prosecute cops.

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:09:56am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Need to look at who their DA is. We need more men and women who are unafraid to prosecute cops.

It’s actually Dallas County. John Creuzot (D) replaced Faith Johnson (R) in the middle of this.

DA Johnson convicted an on duty police officer a couple of years back.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:10:30am
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:10:52am

I’ll withhold the celebrations until after sentencing, but I agree with the sentiment that I’m seriously glad the jury did not buy into that “Reverse Castle Law” horseshit. Last thing we need is white people being allowed to claim that they “stood their ground” after breaking into a black person’s home.

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:13:04am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Need to look at who their DA is. We need more men and women who are unafraid to prosecute cops.

It’s not just the prosecution part; we also need more men and women on juries (grand and petit) that won’t reflexively give every single cop every benefit of every doubt in every circumstance. Badges shouldn’t be be the equivalent of haloes…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:14:19am

re: #191 lizardofid

It’s actually Dallas County. John Creuzot (D) replaced Faith Johnson (R) in the middle of this.

DA Johnson convicted an on duty police officer a couple of years back.

Thanks.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:14:31am

re: #183 Belafon

IIRC, people didn’t think impeachment hearings were needed for Nixon when they started.

and good times they were.

as i said, i guess im surprised (not) that with watergate and clinton as more or less recent examples, people don’t even want to look into what may or may not have happened.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:14:34am

re: #194 Jay C

It’s not just the prosecution part; we also need more men and women on juries (grand and petit) that won’t reflexively give every single cop every benefit of every doubt in every circumstance. Badges shouldn’t be be the equivalent of haloes…..

That too.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:17:58am

re: #94 jaunte

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lost in that tweet is once again the president not knowing how things work:

why aren’t we entitled to interview & learn everything about the Whistleblower, and also the person who gave all of the false information to him.

this is what happens when you hire an amateur

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:20:11am

re: #194 Jay C

It’s not just the prosecution part; we also need more men and women on juries (grand and petit) that won’t reflexively give every single cop every benefit of every doubt in every circumstance. Badges shouldn’t be be the equivalent of haloes…..

the badge should be held to a higher standard, theoretically being a trained professional and all…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:20:15am

re: #198 DangerMan

lost in that tweet is once again the president not knowing how things work:

this is what happens when you hire an amateur

He’s the most ignorant man ever to be President. Maybe Andrew Johnson comes close.

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:21:27am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Right. But even liberal cities have entrenched DAs who have been reluctant to change their ways.

Part of it, I think, is that conservative attorneys (and law students) trend towards DA jobs. That’s not to say that there aren’t liberal DAs, but it tends to be self-selecting towards “law and order” types. And because of the nature of the work, it can lend itself towards cynicism, when you’re seeing bad stuff by over and over.

We also tend to allocate way more resources to DA offices (plus law enforcement agencies and crime labs tend to see themselves on the same side as the DA) than we do to public defenders. And working in a DA’s office tends to be a solid route to being a judge and/or elected office, where the “tough on crime” stuff sells well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:23:14am

re: #201 KGxvi

Part of it, I think, is that conservative attorneys (and law students) trend towards DA jobs. That’s not to say that there aren’t liberal DAs, but it tends to be self-selecting towards “law and order” types. And because of the nature of the work, it can lend itself towards cynicism, when you’re seeing bad stuff by over and over.

We also tend to allocate way more resources to DA offices (plus law enforcement agencies and crime labs tend to see themselves on the same side as the DA) than we do to public defenders. And working in a DA’s office tends to be a solid route to being a judge and/or elected office, where the “tough on crime” stuff sells well.

Agree.

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:25:08am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

He’s the most ignorant man ever to be President. Maybe Andrew Johnson comes close.

Naaah, Andy Johnson may have been a nasty racist asshole with a severe shortage of personability, but he was, at least, a career politician who knew how the game was played in government. Admittedly, he managed to get himself smack on the wrong side of every issue in that game, but Johnson’s flaws were of a different sort from Trump’s. (Trump is worse).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:26:49am

re: #203 Jay C

Naaah, Andy Johnson may have been a nasty racist asshole with a severe shortage of personability, but he was, at least, a career politician who knew how the game was played in government. Admittedly, he managed to get himself smack on the wrong side of every issue in that game, but Johnson’s flaws were of a different sort from Trump’s. (Trump is worse).

True, true. Trump definitely does stand out for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:28:21am

I genuinely struggle to find anything redeemable about Trump at all. He’s honestly one of the most despicable people I’ve ever seen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:30:24am

re: #198 DangerMan

lost in that tweet is once again the president not knowing how things work:

this is what happens when you hire an amateur

That is what he ran on: the image of the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician, the man beholden to no donors or special interests.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:31:11am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I genuinely struggle to find anything redeemable about Trump at all. He’s honestly one of the most despicable people I’ve ever seen.

He knows how to make the media work for him, but even that is starting to run out…

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:31:30am

oh, and i hate this line of thinking that the mueller report was some kind of battle and it was ‘lost’

(sekulow keeps saying this - “We won the Mueller probe, we’re gonna win this one, here we go. I tell you what. If Mueller was a war, this is a skirmish.”)

we are here because something new and big exploded

given the nature of trump and this admin, i am sure pelosi was counting on *something* not knowing specifically what was gonna come up.

it may be true that we counted on (hoped) the reaction to the mueller report being swift and devastating.

i am also sure that there was a ‘b’ plan that relied on mueller, emoluments, and all those other things we talk about.

we just got here first and faster.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:32:59am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I genuinely struggle to find anything redeemable about Trump at all. He’s honestly one of the most despicable people I’ve ever seen.

he stopped breeding

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:33:30am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what he ran on: the image of the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician, the man beholden to no donors or special interests.

With too few people realizing that Donald Trump is HIS OWN “special interest”….

Though (sadly) the operative word here is “image”.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:33:32am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what he ran on: the image of the ultimate outsider, the anti-politician, the man beholden to no donors or special interests.

the ultimate incompetent

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:34:15am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

He’s dumb. That’s his redeeming quality because he just can’t control himself and pretty must confesses to wrong-doing when he feels angry.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:41:40am

re: #192 Belafon

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White victimhood on full display in the comments. It’s disgusting.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:42:21am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:50:44am

Has Donnie pardoned Amber Guyger yet?

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:50:58am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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rodent-infested. just like Baltimore.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:52:58am

re: #213 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

White victimhood on full display in the comments. It’s disgusting.

Not surprised. Just ask people if he’d walked into her apartment by accident and shot her, would he have been cleared of wrongdoing?

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:53:21am

re: #215 Dr. Matt

Has Donnie pardoned Amber Guyger yet?

This was a state trial.

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sagehen  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:53:46am

re: #169 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

The media and disinformation campaigns were successful because a party of quislings sarandons abetted them.

FTFY

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Dr. Matt  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:54:04am

re: #218 Belafon

This was a state trial.

That wouldn’t stop Donnie from issuing one via tweet.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:54:25am

re: #216 sagehen

rodent-infested. just like Baltimore.

Yep, since we let “those trump people” into the house a couple years ago it has turned into a shithole.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:54:53am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I genuinely struggle to find anything redeemable about Trump at all. He’s honestly one of the most despicable people I’ve ever seen.

I can think of two good things. He almost invariably does bad things, but despite having a lifetime of being an evil person, he sucks at it.

And the other good thing is that everything and everyone ends.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:55:49am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 9:56:48am

re: #222 Sufficient unto the day…

I can think of two good things. He almost invariably does bad things, but despite having a lifetime of being an evil person, he sucks at it.

And the other good thing is that everything and everyone ends.

He has made the corruption in the GOP blazingly obvious. He has said the things in public that Republicans have said in private.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:01:11am

re: #216 sagehen

rodent-infested. just like Baltimore.

Witnesses thought they saw the profile of Stephen Miller through the vent in the air ducts above the briefing room.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:01:28am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:03:27am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He knows how to make the media work for him, but even that is starting to run out…

Redeemable. That’s the mark of a manipulator.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:04:12am

re: #226 Barefoot Grin

New from Wohl: $250 for any person that can give us the name of the whistleblower, to be paid out in 10 increments of $20.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:05:43am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The media can call this one “Fumigate.”

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:05:55am

re: #228 Belafon

New from Wohl: $250 for any person that can give us the name of the whistleblower, to be paid out in 10 increments of $20.

I see what you did there.

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:07:30am

re: #214 Dread Pirate

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Meanwhile, he’s been given the first opportunity to form a government, but his potential coalition partners don’t like that his first priority is making the PM immune from prosecution while in office.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:11:55am

re: #217 Belafon

Not surprised. Just ask people if he’d walked into her apartment by accident and shot her, would he have been cleared of wrongdoing?

if he walked into her apartment he didnt belong there. she just made a mistake //

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Chrysicat  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:15:29am

You may have just received a report that the Washington Post is retracting its accusation that the Trump Administration was rescinding net neutrality “because the FCC is an independent agency”.

My response:

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:15:55am

Looks like they’re going for Obstruction of Congress as their best defense:

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday sternly objected to a move by the U.S. House of Representatives to obtain depositions from five current and former State Department officials as part of an impeachment inquiry targeting President Donald Trump, accusing Democrats of bullying and intimidation.

Not a good look with reports being that Pompeo was actually on the shakedown call with Ukraine.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:16:33am

re: #215 Dr. Matt

Has Donnie pardoned Amber Guyger yet?

He can’t. State conviction.

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Chrysicat  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:18:25am

re: #235 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

He can’t. State conviction.

Oh. In that case, has whichever-of-Patrick-and-Abbott actually has power in the statehouse?

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:18:32am

re: #233 Chrysicat

You may have just received a report that the Washington Post is retracting its accusation that the Trump Administration was rescinding net neutrality “because the FCC is an independent agency”.

My response:

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There’s no such thing as an independent agency in the federal government. Even under the Administrative Procedures Act, every agency in the federal government is still exercising delegated executive powers.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:18:36am

re: #234 KGxvi

Looks like they’re going for Obstruction of Congress as their best defense:

Not a good look with reports being that Pompeo was actually on the shakedown call with Ukraine.

Even worse when he lied just last week that the news reports were the first he’d heard about the call.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:20:08am

re: #219 sagehen

FTFY

I don’t agree. The Repugs aren’t holding out for the perfect candidate, they’re fine with DT. Or would be if he were a bit brighter.

SS on the other hand, is trapped into DT-by-default, because she’d have to admit she was wrong if she decided Hillary was not, after all, the Antichrist.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:20:14am

re: #236 Chrysicat

Oh. In that case, has whichever-of-Patrick-and-Abbott actually has power in the statehouse?

Texas had a governor who openly sold pardons and the power of pardon got stripped from that office.
Thank you Ma & Pa Ferguson!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:22:29am

re: #234 KGxvi

Looks like they’re going for Obstruction of Congress as their best defense:

Not a good look with reports being that Pompeo was actually on the shakedown call with Ukraine.

Wasn’t Clinton sec of state? Didn’t she get pulled in to testify about shit? Was that intimidation?

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Dread Pirate  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:23:34am
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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:24:50am
“As President Trump’s presidency is threatened by an impeachment inquiry, the Republican chairmen of two Senate committees, Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley, are asking Attorney General William Barr to investigate any ties between Ukraine and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign,” Politico reports.

even though clinton is not the president, remaining unconvinced the horse is dead even after 2+ years, Senators have requested the beating continue.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:26:30am

re: #233 Chrysicat

cf: the recently neutered FEC and the fed which is not far behind

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:28:37am
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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:29:15am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Even worse when he lied just last week that the news reports were the first he’d heard about the call.

the quote that i saw i think he nuanced it

he was asked about the call
he responded that he hadnt seen the WB complaint
so he ducked the question

i’ll look for it, though of course he made more than one statement about it

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:37:53am

current mood:

YouTube

(oh, and all tech sux)

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Chrysicat  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:38:21am

Not that I haven’t also occasionally been guilty of initiating it, but I really hate friendly fire when I can tell it and the original poster couldn’t…

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:43:09am

re: #241 Eventual Carrion

Wasn’t Clinton sec of state? Didn’t she get pulled in to testify about shit? Was that intimidation?

I think he’s trying to play the “we don’t have enough time to prepare for the depositions” game. Which, quite honestly, is a fairly standard move in litigation when one side notices depositions without calling to set up dates.

Though his argument of there being no legal authority for failing to reply being obstruction is a bit… thin.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:45:54am
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MsJ  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:46:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:47:30am

re: #251 Dread Pirate

Did anyone bother to tell him to post it on WeChat, as Twitter is blocked in China?

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:50:36am

Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:51:46am

re: #254 jaunte

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Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

For a party that claims to hate lawyers they sure do have a bunch of them.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:52:21am

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Chrysicat  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:52:56am

re: #248 Chrysicat

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Not that I haven’t also occasionally been guilty of initiating it, but I really hate friendly fire when I can tell it and the original poster couldn’t…

I stand corrected. Her profile, other than the purple cross, said “PISSED at what’s happened to our country”, but she apparently meant “only what happened before 2017”.

So it wasn’t friendly fire, and there was someone saying the entire Dem leadership should be fitted for hemp neckties. The person I responded to, not the one she did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:52:58am

re: #255 b.d. (Impeach them all)

For a party that claims to hate lawyers they sure do have a bunch of them.

They only hate lawyers who don’t want to break laws

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:55:23am

re: #243 DangerMan

even though clinton is not the president, remaining unconvinced the horse is dead even after 2+ years, Senators have requested the beating continue.

Oh, GOPers are in no way convinced that equine is in any way expired: they’re sure that enough “investigation” is going to turn up something - anything - they can magnify into a “scandal”. It may be trivially miniscule, and completely legal, but it’s a safe bet that it (whatever “it” might be) can, and will, be hysterically blown-out-of-proportion to bolster the inevitable tweetstorm of CROOKED HILLARY!!1!11!! and FAKE ELECTION!!1!11! from you-know-where.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 1, 2019 • 10:55:58am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just got back from China…everyone from 8 to 80 is on WeChat.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:00:20am
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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:01:50am

re: #119 lizardofid

Meet the new boss media same as the old boss media!

The above The Who quote calls for some more:

Get a job and fight to keep it
Strike out to reach a mountain
Be so nice on the outside
But inside keep ambition
Don’t cry because you hunt them
Hurt them first, they’ll love you
There’s a millionaire above you
And you’re under his suspicion

I’ve had enough: The Who

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:01:57am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Oh FFS

Why a Trump impeachment would be amazing news for the stock market

Well someone not hellbent on meaningless and stupid trade wars that are fucking up several sectors of the economy/markets would probably be a good thing for the economy/markets.

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DangerMan  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:06:05am

re: #255 b.d. (Impeach them all)

For a party that claims to hate lawyers they sure do have a bunch of them.

We need almost all of them katie

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Dave In Austin  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:06:13am

re: #251 Dread Pirate

Isn’t the rule….. Never Congratulate a Communist? That’s what I grew up with.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:07:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:08:37am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:09:06am

re: #255 b.d. (Impeach them all)

For a party that claims to hate lawyers they sure do have a bunch of them.

As with all things, they hate other people having them.

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:09:17am

re: #265 Dave In Austin

Isn’t the rule….. Never Congratulate a Communist? That’s what I grew up with.

That’s more like a subsection of a more general rule which is “never congratulate a dictator.”

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:12:33am

re: #266 Dread Pirate

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:13:22am

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:17:25am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:21:40am

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s just temporary pain until all of the steel factories in the US close except for those run by Russia.

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danarchy  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:22:11am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Not for nothing, but if I had an employee snatch my morning coffee out of my hand, well meaning or not, I would give them 10 seconds to give it back or be fired.

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Citizen K  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:23:02am
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:23:03am

re: #274 danarchy

Not for nothing, but if I had an employee snatch my morning coffee out of my hand, well meaning or not, I would give them 10 seconds to give it back or be fired.

Boris has to worry about all those environmentally aware Brexiters, though.

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Chrysicat  Oct 1, 2019 • 11:52:04am

re: #276 Belafon

Boris has to worry about all those environmentally aware Brexiters, though.

I’ll admit that’s a real thing, though I suspect you were being fully sarcastic. They’re the ones who think the Labour Party can be converted into a full socialist party more in the Hungarian mold than the Swedish, if only Brexit brings about enough pain to cause the riots that will lead the country to reject capitalism once and for all.

OTOH, they’d never in a million years vote for the Tory backbenchers that Boris would need to survive the snap election, so they’re kind of a group you don’t need to appeal to.

I think he’d probably gain Tory votes by disposing of the cup in plain sight. Besides the which, if you’re buying it already-prepared, there’s a very good chance that it’s in a disposable cup anyway, and pouring it into a reusable one doesn’t do much to change the impact of said disposable. After all, not all of us subject reusable travel mugs to a soapy scrub every time we make to have them refilled, say when we’re actually camped out in the Starbucks or Caribou.


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