Impeachment Week: Trump Involved Pence in Efforts to Pressure Ukraine’s Leader

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One of the ways a crime family operates is by making all the cronies participate in doing crimes so they’ll have a motive to participate in covering up the crimes. And also, be more malleable when the boss needs them to do more crimes.

Mike Pence has been managing so far to keep his name out of the Ukraine mess, but today that changed bigly.

Trump got Pence to snub Ukrainian President Zelensky’s inauguration, and then — after Trump’s now-infamous July 25 call — used Pence to deliver the news that he was continuing to withhold US aid unless Ukraine did more about “corruption.”

Trump spelled out in classic mobster fashion on that phone call what he meant by “corruption.” He meant “get me some dirt on Biden.”

Pence’s people put out a statement that he didn’t know about Trump’s extortion scheme, but uh…

Perhaps most significantly, one of Pence’s top advisers was on the July 25 call and the vice president should have had access to the transcript within hours, officials said.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:41:51pm

Mother would not approve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:43:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:45:23pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:45:43pm
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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:46:33pm

Not just Pence. Oh yeah, he’s up to his eyeballs here. He knew and had reason to know. Any attempt to claim that he didn’t know because he didn’t read the readout is laughable but for fact that everyone in Trumpworld is incompetent and corrupt, so he might not have known or cared that he was listening in on corrupt acts in the process.

But back to who else is involved here.

Perry. He was the guy Trumpworld sent in Pence’s place. What did he know and when did he know it? What did Trump tell Perry to get him on the plane in Pence’s place?

Oh,and because I CL’d from the last thread, here’s something that flew under the radar today: Trump AG Secretary Purdue to small farmers: go fuck yourselves.

Farmers voted for Trump and got fucked at the drive through the first time around. How many of them are going to stick around for the repeat performance? Quite a few - even though they are demonstrably worse off thanks to Trump’s idiotic trade war, which is pushing farm bankruptcies up and slowing the economy measurably.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:47:03pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:48:38pm

re: #5 lawhawk

“What I heard today from the secretary of agriculture is there’s no place for me,” Volenec told reporters. “Can I get some support from my state and federal government? I feel like we’re a benefit to society.”

Socialism.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:48:53pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still think, if Trump is actually impeached, there’s a decent number of Senate Republicans who would vote to convict because they would want to run against Pence in 2020. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are high on that list. Romney and Scott are sleepers in that regard. Sadly, that only gets us to 52 votes, so we need 15 more before these folks would be willing to break ranks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:50:23pm

moron

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:50:27pm

re: #7 Ace Rothstein

Socialism.

This is the bit I find most interesting:

I feel like we’re a benefit to society

So, if you think you’re a benefit to society, you get government money? There’s some amazing entitlement in that line of thinking.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:51:09pm

Mitch won’t impeach both Pence and Trump.

Make Pence resign or impeach him first, then make Trump appoint someone half-way acceptable (sorry, none come to mind) then impeach Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:51:25pm

re: #10 KGxvi

This is the bit I find most interesting:

So, if you think you’re a benefit to society, you get government money? There’s some amazing entitlement in that line of thinking.

I worked harder, so I get a bigger piece of the pie. Isn’t that the name of the game in capitalism?

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:52:00pm

They are now saying 7 dead out of the 14 involved in today’s crash of the B-17 “Nine-O-Nine”.

This is, I am sure, the end of people being able to pay to ride in WWII aircraft.

wfsb.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:52:08pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:52:30pm

re: #13 William Lewis

They are now saying 7 dead out of the 14 involved in today’s crash of the B-17 “Nine-O-Nine”.

This is, I am sure, the end of people being able to pay to ride in WWII aircraft.

wfsb.com

I saw that story on Fark and almost cried. B-17’s are my favorite, and to lose one and 7 people with it…

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:53:25pm

So the big corporate farms can withstand the tariffs but the small ones can’t. Then the small ones go out of business and the large ones gain more market share. Then as they further consolidate their power, they jack up prices and eat up the remaining 4 dollars the middle class got from Trump’s tax cuts. And all by design.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:56:16pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Not just Pence. Oh yeah, he’s up to his eyeballs here. He knew and had reason to know. Any attempt to claim that he didn’t know because he didn’t read the readout is laughable but for fact that everyone in Trumpworld is incompetent and corrupt, so he might not have known or cared that he was listening in on corrupt acts in the process.

But back to who else is involved here.

Perry. He was the guy Trumpworld sent in Pence’s place. What did he know and when did he know it? What did Trump tell Perry to get him on the plane in Pence’s place?

Oh,and because I CL’d from the last thread, here’s something that flew under the radar today: Trump AG Secretary Purdue to small farmers: go fuck yourselves.

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Farmers voted for Trump and got fucked at the drive through the first time around. How many of them are going to stick around for the repeat performance? Quite a few - even though they are demonstrably worse off thanks to Trump’s idiotic trade war, which is pushing farm bankruptcies up and slowing the economy measurably.

Farmers love Trump sticking it to the liberals. Even after they lose their farms they will still vote for Trump no matter what.

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mmmirele  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:59:18pm

My congressman, Andy Biggs, the new head of the Freedumb Caucus, is completely obsessed with Rep. Adam Schiff. To wit, he has had his office put up three posts about Schiff in the last seven hours.

I’m thinking that by the way Andy is squealing, Adam Schiff has the GOP by the family jewels in ways we don’t yet comprehend.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:59:21pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 4:59:57pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Little nugget from that piece:

Perdue’s visit comes as Wisconsin dairy farmers are wrestling with a host of problems, including declining milk prices, rising suicide rates, the transition to larger farms with hundreds or thousands of animals and Trump’s international trade wars.

Losing your farm and ending your life to own the libs…

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:05:56pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:06:09pm

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:06:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:07:44pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fact that Nickelback is Canadian makes that even sweeter.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:07:53pm

re: #18 mmmirele

My congressman, Andy Biggs, the new head of the Freedumb Caucus, is completely obsessed with Rep. Adam Schiff. To wit, he has had his office put up three posts about Schiff in the last seven hours.

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I’m thinking that by the way Andy is squealing, Adam Schiff has the GOP by the family jewels in ways we don’t yet comprehend.

“Unauthorized?”
Let me guess. Biggs thinks Trump has to OK it.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:09:49pm

That utter shitshow of a press conference today shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump is losing this fight, and he knows it. And it’s only been one week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:10:02pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:11:19pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

No wins? Tell that to my grandfather who was a pilot in WW2, you asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:12:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:14:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:14:13pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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I bet Elizabeth didn’t have to pay $130,000 to get down!

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:14:17pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Why do RWNJs have such trouble with common English words?

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BeachDem  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:14:20pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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But will it shock your “conscious?” (I guess Wohl and Burkman can be forgiven for not knowing the difference between conscience and conscious—neither has a conscience, and neither is particularly conscious.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:15:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:15:40pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:16:01pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

The last time these idiots held a press conference with “bombshell revelations” nobody showed up. 50 bucks says that trend continues tomorrow.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:16:17pm

re: #13 William Lewis

They are now saying 7 dead out of the 14 involved in today’s crash of the B-17 “Nine-O-Nine”.

This is, I am sure, the end of people being able to pay to ride in WWII aircraft.

wfsb.com

It hasn’t stopped helicopter rides.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:16:38pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:16:42pm

re: #34 BeachDem

When two people this dumb team up you have to subtract their I.Q.s to get the combined total.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:20:13pm
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BeachDem  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:20:31pm

re: #37 Ace Rothstein

The last time these idiots held a press conference with “bombshell revelations” nobody showed up. 50 bucks says that trend continues tomorrow.

It was so impressive, I had already forgotten what it was about—for others in the same boat, it was yesterday and supposedly, they were going to reveal the name of the “slimy rat” CIA whistleblower

A Trump booster promised to reveal the whistleblower’s name from his front yard. The neighbors just laughed.

washingtonpost.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:20:47pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The Great Leap Forward.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:22:44pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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“Did you say Elizabeth Warren? I thought you were talking about Eliza B Thornton.”

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:22:49pm

re: #38 Belafon

It hasn’t stopped helicopter rides.

The helicopters aren’t 75+ years old. I fully expect the FAA to come down hard on the WWII era aircraft other than the DC-3 (because they have a special airworthness certificate.

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BeachDem  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:24:48pm

re: #42 BeachDem

It was so impressive, I had already forgotten what it was about—for others in the same boat, it was yesterday and supposedly, they were going to reveal the name of the “slimy rat” CIA whistleblower

A Trump booster promised to reveal the whistleblower’s name from his front yard. The neighbors just laughed.

washingtonpost.com

This kind of sums up the whole Wohl/Burkman thing in two sentences:

Overflowing trash bins bulged on the curb outside conservative lobbyist Jack Burkman’s townhouse in Arlington on Tuesday. Put out either too early or too late, they were the only garbage cans visible on the block.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:26:13pm

Burkman and Wohl: Because O’Keefe and CCJ aren’t dumb enough.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:29:15pm
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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:30:08pm

re: #45 William Lewis

The helicopters aren’t 75+ years old. I fully expect the FAA to come down hard on the WWII era aircraft other than the DC-3 (because they have a special airworthness certificate.

It’s just like with the duck boats; these WWII combat aircraft were never intended to carry civilians and definitely not with airframes that were built as fast as they could be churned out under wartime conditions and are pushing 75 years old or more.

I love old planes and it’s cool to see them fly, but it’s time to put most, if not all of them, in static displays.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:30:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:30:59pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:31:21pm

re: #49 TedStriker

It’s just like with the duck boats; these WWII combat aircraft were never intended to carry civilians and definitely not with airframes that were built as fast as they could be churned out under wartime conditions are pushing 75 years old or more.

I love old planes and it’s cool to see them fly, but it’s time to put most, if not all of them, in static displays.

At the least, they shouldn’t be allowed to carry passengers. I’m fine if trained airmen want to fly them for fun and for airshows, but selling tickets on a WWII rustbucket is asking for trouble.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:31:38pm

Catch Me If You Can meets The Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:33:04pm
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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:34:50pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

At the least, they shouldn’t be allowed to carry passengers. I’m fine if trained airmen want to fly them for fun and for airshows, but selling tickets on a WWII rustbucket is asking for trouble.

I’ll agree with that, but the insurance industry’s gonna eventually take care of the rest, making it so onerous and expensive to insure a flightworthy warbird, the owners just say “fuck it”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:35:36pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Anyone with #WWG1whateverthefuck in their bio gets an immediate block from me.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:36:43pm

re: #54 b.d. (Impeach them all)

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:37:00pm

re: #29 Ace Rothstein

No wins? Tell that to my grandfather who was a pilot in WW2, you asshole.

God damn right!
(My dad was in a tank in Italy and North Africa.)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:37:16pm
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:38:41pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Make sure to write your tweet when it’s night time in Russia.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:39:15pm

My grandfather was a professor in the ag department in the state university where I was born—after he managed University of Michigan farms in the 19-teens and then University of Illinois farms. His wife, my grandmother, like him was born on a farm and her sister and her husband farmed in western Illinois. All of their 5 sons helped. Three of them farmed. In my generation, several farmed for many years, but ultimately couldn’t acquire enough land to make it profitable, so they went into insurance or teaching, etc. Big agriculture made it nearly impossible to continue the family farm in one of the most fertile and productive places on earth. That’s why they vote republican. The old “New Deal” farmer was long, long gone.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:40:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:41:44pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:42:00pm

darth is hucking killing it:

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:42:42pm
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:47:13pm

re: #61 Barefoot Grin

My grandfather was a professor in the ag department in the state university where I was born—after he managed University of Michigan farms in the 19-teens and then University of Illinois farms. His wife, my grandmother, like him was born on a farm and her sister and her husband farmed in western Illinois. All of their 5 sons helped. Three of them farmed. In my generation, several farmed for many years, but ultimately couldn’t acquire enough land to make it profitable, so they went into insurance or teaching, etc. Big agriculture made it nearly impossible to continue the family farm in one of the most fertile and productive places on earth. That’s why they vote republican. The old “New Deal” farmer was long, long gone.

They vote Republican because Democrats decided that blacks should have a chance as well.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:51:15pm

re: #66 Belafon

They vote Republican because Democrats decided that blacks should have a chance as well.

Not an issue in Illinois or Iowa or Indiana. There were never going to be black farmers there. It was sundown towns all the way to Chicago.

And to clarify further: my family were all New Deal Democrats as farmers. That all changed when big ag moved in.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:51:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:51:43pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:53:53pm

Look at this graph

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:54:08pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Not an issue in Illinois or Iowa or Indiana. There were never going to be black farmers there. It was sundown towns all the way to Chicago.

And the border’s a thousand miles away from the people most freaked out about immigration. None of these things are rational.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 5:59:40pm

re: #71 Belafon

And the border’s a thousand miles away from the people most freaked out about immigration. None of these things are rational.

I agree.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:00:39pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:01:33pm

“Manafort, who is serving a 7½ -year term in a federal prison in Pennsylvania, has continued to express support for Trump, and Trump has never ruled out giving him a pardon.”

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:02:22pm

“Y’know Paul, even in here, you could still do the President a favor, and he’ll remember.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:03:45pm

re: #73 jaunte

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Oh that’s just great.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:04:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:06:29pm

re: #77 gocart mozart

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Pathetic loser is desperate to get his old alt right buddies back.

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plansbandc  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:10:35pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine that tiny icky hand slapping at your knee. BRRRRRRR

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:12:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:12:54pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Before you die, you see The Ring

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:13:34pm

Pence is asking us to believe he talked to Zelensky about “fighting corruption” without knowing any of the specifics about getting dirt on Biden.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:14:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:15:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:18:00pm

Rudy is the new Michael Cohen. A pathetic loser who just serves his master Trump.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:25:54pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks who’s going to have the best story in jail, for a while.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:26:55pm

re: #86 EPR-radar

Looks who’s going to have the best story in jail, for a while.

Now, imagine Trump, at the same lunch table, telling about the time he stole a bigger police car.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:32:43pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:33:37pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:34:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:34:41pm

Hillary is on with Rachel right now

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:48:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:48:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:50:26pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:51:16pm

Projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space… Space… Space…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:53:29pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:53:40pm

“No fair, it’s going to be too effective!”

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 6:57:02pm

This means the Republicans are gutting Medicare & Social Security because “SOSHULIZMZ!!!!”

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:00:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:01:16pm
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retired cynic  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:01:55pm

re: #7 Ace Rothstein

Socialism.

Speaking as the long-time wife of a grain farmer, I can tell you several things:

1 - it is necessary for a society to be able to feed its people

2 - if a country relies on other countries for its food supplies, it can be held over a barrel very easily

3 - the American people expect cheap food

4 - weather happens, and it disrupts the food supply easily

5 - climate change means “weather is going to happen” more often

6 - if #2 is true, the same is true if large corporations are allowed to “own” the production of foodstuffs, because they will use that monopoly to make money

IMO, there is socialism, and socialism. Taking care that we have a healthy farm economy is not socialism.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:06:51pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:08:41pm

re: #101 retired cynic

I should’ve sarc tagged my comment.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:08:55pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:10:01pm
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retired cynic  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:10:03pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

✔
@atrupar
Trump attacks CNN and then abruptly ends the news conference. What an embarrassment.

He still doesn’t know how to stand. Good grief!

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plansbandc  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:10:39pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:11:07pm

re: #106 retired cynic

I noticed that too. The only way he can lean over like that is if he has super glue on his shoes.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:11:58pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I thought the Jack And Jake Show’s big reveal (in Burkman’s driveway) was supposed to be the “whistleblower’s” real ID?

What happened? Whistler didn’t show, so they decided to go with the backup “bombshell” - a Senatorial sex-scandal that would be at best ho-hum even if real?

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:13:48pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:15:53pm

It was quite a while back, I suppose. But the comment section here just was raggin’ on Nickelback six ways from Sunday. So Charles proceeded to post a bunch of Nickelback songs.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:16:00pm

re: #8 KGxvi

I still think, if Trump is actually impeached, there’s a decent number of Senate Republicans who would vote to convict because they would want to run against Pence in 2020. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are high on that list. Romney and Scott are sleepers in that regard. Sadly, that only gets us to 52 votes, so we need 15 more before these folks would be willing to break ranks.

Any GOP Senator who voted to convict Trump would be viewed as a traitor by the GOP base and have zero chance of winning the GOP nomination for President.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:17:02pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

It was quite a while back, I suppose. But the comment section here just was raggin’ on Nickelback six ways from Sunday. So Charles proceeded to post a bunch of Nickelback songs.

Damn, that’s evil!

///

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:19:04pm

leftyjennyc got to hold her twin sons for the first time today.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:19:30pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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Isn’t there an outstanding warrant for Wohl’s arrest?

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:20:13pm

re: #113 TedStriker

Damn, that’s evil!

I was impressed with the temerity.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:20:21pm

Nickelback - Lullaby

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:21:16pm

Damn it! Why’d I open my yap?!?

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:21:45pm

re: #101 retired cynic

Speaking as the long-time wife of a grain farmer, I can tell you several things:

1 - it is necessary for a society to be able to feed its people

2 - if a country relies on other countries for its food supplies, it can be held over a barrel very easily

3 - the American people expect cheap food

4 - weather happens, and it disrupts the food supply easily

5 - climate change means “weather is going to happen” more often

6 - if #2 is true, the same is true if large corporations are allowed to “own” the production of foodstuffs, because they will use that monopoly to make money

IMO, there is socialism, and socialism. Taking care that we have a healthy farm economy is not socialism.

Don’t buy into the idea that socialism is a bad thing. Also, while socialism has a very specific meaning, like capitalism, they are both just models. Things in real life are more like 75% socialism, 25% capitalism. Society choosing to spend money to protect farming is socialism to me, but is not a bad thing at all. I would not mind that prices are being held artificially higher to support farms, as long as we also support subsidies for people in order to pay for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:22:09pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Here we go again. Elizabeth Warren had a long term sexual relationship, lasting months, with a hot 24 year old bodybuilder and Marine. All to be revealed. Well, that’s all I needed to hear. She’s got my vote now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:23:57pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:24:19pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I made it just past the first chorus. That’s… not my bag, daddio.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:24:28pm

re: #112 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Any GOP Senator who voted to convict Trump would be viewed as a traitor by the GOP base and have zero chance of winning the GOP nomination for President.

Just an idle thought- maybe the Senate will vote to remove Trump on a unanimous voice vote? Nothing on the record, nothing to have to explain/apologize for!

Or maybe (along the lines of the blank cartridge issued to a firing squad), they can announce the vote as 99-1, so any one of them can claim to be the “1”..

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:25:20pm

Index:

Nickelback, I want my

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:25:25pm

Nickelback - Someday

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:26:50pm

I’ve been CANCELLED.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:26:59pm

re: #112 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Any GOP Senator who voted to convict Trump would be viewed as a traitor by the GOP base and have zero chance of winning the GOP nomination for President.

Therein lies the rub for the Republicans: either stand with and defend Trump and watch the Dems finally take his avaricious presidential malpractice apart in Congress or (nominally) stand with the Dems in what most of the Trump faithful will (quite correctly) see as naked self-interest and watch as their career dissipation lights go into Ludicrous Speed.

Either way, fuck ‘em.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:28:55pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

Damn it! Why’d I open my yap?!?

Look what you done did!

///

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:29:55pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

I’m really trying to listen to these, in earnest!

This song is… not bad. I actually listened to the whole thing! It’s so formulaic though. There’s… I don’t know. For lack of better words, it just doesn’t have balls.

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DangerMan  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:29:58pm

We watch a movie for an hour and a half and now the VP is in up to his eyeballs?

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:30:37pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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re: #125 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:31:18pm
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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:32:07pm

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been CANCELLED.

???

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:32:27pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

I’m really trying to listen to these, in earnest!

This song is… not bad. I actually listened to the whole thing! It’s so formulaic though. There’s… I don’t know. For lack of better words, it just doesn’t have balls.

The biggest reason they are so popular is people know exactly what they are getting with Nickelback, and the songs aren’t terribly challenging. They just make some people dance. It’s sort of like not everyone wants to read Moby Dick but would prefer romance novels.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:33:35pm

They’re like wanting to find a Chili’s in New York.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:34:28pm

Says the guy who was all BUTTER EMAILS for all of 2016

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:35:52pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:36:42pm

Fun fact: Guitarist/Singer Brendan Bayliss of Umphrey’s McGee plays a Chad Kroeger signature edition PRS onstage. He had PRS replace the logo on the headstock where Chad’s signature would be, and just left it blank.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:37:13pm

re: #134 Belafon

The biggest reason they are so popular is people know exactly what they are getting with Nickelback, and the songs aren’t terribly challenging. They just make some people dance. It’s sort of like not everyone wants to read Moby Dick but would prefer romance novels.

re: #135 Belafon

They’re like wanting to find a Chili’s in New York.

A totally fair analogy!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:39:13pm

G’night Lizards Sleep as well as you can.

*Stumbles away to find my rock*

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:42:15pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

A totally fair analogy!

Nothing necessarily wrong with ear candy, I dig me some 60s and 70s bubblegum pop, but sometimes that ear candy can be objectively bland, repetitive, or plain shitty.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:42:56pm

So this dude is like I got tickets to this concert for just $0.45!

And I’m like, no way, is it a Trump rally?

And dude is like Naw, it’s

Click to Reveal

Fifty Cent and Nickelback!

Thankew thankew! I’ll be here all week! Try the chicken schnitzel!

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:44:57pm

re: #142 The Pie Overlord!

So this dude is like I got tickets to this concert for $0.45!

And I’m like, no way, is it a Trump rally?

And dude is like Naw, it’s

[Embedded content]

Thankew thankew! I’ll be here all week! Try the chicken schnitzel!

///

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:56:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:57:01pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:57:51pm

Was the nation shocked when trump fucked a porn star?

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:59:51pm

Music question: My son and his friends are making a band. He’s on keyboard (midi with a laptop and output speakers), and they have an electric, a bass, drums, and sax. Now, what they want is a couple of microphones. I would like something inexpensive with a small output speaker. Any ideas? I’m not real sure what to look for.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 7:59:51pm

Syphilis McOrangefuck will send out a congratulatory tweet to Rocket Man anytime now.

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:00:48pm

re: #21 lawhawk

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His son owns a vineyard, and Mitch’s state makes Bourbon.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:01:00pm

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

None of these people have any problem with the fact that Ayn Rand had a younger guy.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:02:06pm

re: #146 I Would Prefer Not To

Was the nation shocked when trump fucked a porn star?

Trump was just “sowing his oats”.

This allegation is to insinuate that Warren’s a cougar whore.

The double standard is glaring as hell, but par for the course for Wohl and company.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:04:08pm

re: #135 Belafon

Like the Pence’s.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:06:11pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Trump was just “sowing his oats”.

This allegation is to insinuate that Warren’s a whore.

The double standard is glaring as hell.

It is, and it’s going to fail miserably. Trump made it so that following the porn on Twitter was OK.
What will be annoying is if we start hearing Democrats worrying about how it will play out in Iowa.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:06:40pm
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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:10:13pm

re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I saw the video on that story; it was definitely no accident or something inadvertent.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:12:22pm

COLLEGE PARK, Md. — A Coast Guard lieutenant accused of stockpiling weapons and drafting a hit list of prominent Democrats and TV journalists is expected to plead guilty Thursday in a case charging him with gun and drug offenses.

A docket entry says Christopher Hasson, 50, is scheduled to appear in federal court for a re-arraignment, which typically signals a plea agreement has been reached.

A person with direct knowledge of Hasson’s plans said he’s expected to plead guilty during his court appearance Thursday in Greenbelt, Maryland. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because a plea deal hasn’t been announced.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:16:12pm

So my new bookshelf stereo had been sitting in its box for a week or so, and I decided I’d better set it up before the warranty expired. That was my afternoon — I had to move a bunch of furniture to get the old one out, wires and all, and the new one connected. A five CD player was the main attraction of this particular system.

The first thing I played was a remastered 1955 performance of The Marriage of Figaro. Not a good test — I need to find something recent.

Not, I think, Nickelback.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:17:07pm

re: #157 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Now, you saw what happened last time they were mentioned.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:17:48pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:18:18pm

Stiffing their creditors while rolling in cash.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:19:28pm

re: #158 jaunte

Now, you saw what happened last time they were mentioned.

I figure I’m within the window — it’s too soon for a repeat.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:19:52pm

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been CANCELLED.

Seriously, it’s been a while and this was pretty cryptic. You OK?

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:26:37pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:43:47pm

This should be his presidential* portrait.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:49:15pm

Perfectly normal
//

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:53:59pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:54:29pm

Yep. Desperation is setting in.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:54:44pm

This shit again.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 8:56:21pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

This should be his presidential* portrait.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:02:47pm

re: #169 jaunte

Brilliant.

Giphy

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:03:27pm

re: #170 teleskiguy

Biggest Presidential Asterisk Ever!

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BigPapa  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:03:56pm

A most beautiful Snow Asterisk

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:05:03pm

Motherfucker! I have ONE goddamn vice and now he’s going after that!

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:08:45pm

re: #173 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Motherfucker! I have ONE goddamn vice and now he’s going after that!

You need to be taking on American vices, not those foreign ones.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:09:01pm

re: #173 Ace-o-aces

I have a Trumper ex-friend from my ski racing days who has sworn off all alcohol other than Macallan Scotch Whisky. I wonder what he’ll think of the 25% price increase.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:10:14pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

That might get loud.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:10:44pm

Since the Scots declined to let the Trumps expand their development around Turnberry, he’s punishing them.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:13:58pm

re: #176 Rightwingconspirator

This guy is kind of a true believer. He’s all about the OWNING THE LIBS ethos. He’s always been kind of a bully, and that has manifested in his politics and human interactions. Like I said, he’s not my friend anymore, known the guy for over 25 years.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:17:09pm
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Dread Pirate  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:27:50pm

Ha ha. I know the feeling.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:29:19pm
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Mattand  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:35:03pm

So, getting caught up on all today’s news.

Jesus Fucking Christ, when the hell does this all end?

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:36:29pm

re: #165 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Perfectly normal
//

[Embedded content]

With global warming, that’ll be a Prince Tide soon enough.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:37:50pm

re: #166 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

That’s the Mormon Temple in the background. Maryland side of I-495.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:41:52pm

re: #182 Mattand

So, getting caught up on all today’s news.

Jesus Fucking Christ, when the hell does this all end?

Click this for answer.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:46:28pm

re: #173 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Motherfucker! I have ONE goddamn vice and now he’s going after that!

I am also outraged! Thank dog for Famous Grouse. Get out there and buy a case of 1.5 liter bottles now.

(For the uninitiated, Famous Grouse is the best-selling blended whiskey in Scotland, made up of almost exclusively Highland Park (Shetland) and The Macallen.)

It’s damn good whiskey, and, for the price, a damn fine value.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:51:10pm

re: #182 Mattand

So, getting caught up on all today’s news.

Jesus Fucking Christ, when the hell does this all end?

It doesn’t until the crazy brain-dead fuckwit is out of of office.

My wife and I were talking earlier and just wondering how, week after week, we keep saying “How can this keep getting any more weird and crazy?”

And each week seems to laugh at us and say “Hold my beer!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2019 • 9:54:18pm

Y’all need to check out Sturgill Simpson Sound & Fury on Netflix. It’s basically his latest album and each song is an anime short. And all of them together tell a progressing story. Really badass.

Here’s the music:

YouTube

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Dread Pirate  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:29:24pm
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uriel  Oct 2, 2019 • 11:24:44pm

re: #63 The Pie Overlord!

I’m pretty sure Trump will be accusing the author of that filter of treason by tomorrow morning.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:35:20am

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, it’s been a while and this was pretty cryptic. You OK?

Sorry. It was a lame joke.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:29:00am

re: #147 Belafon

Music question: My son and his friends are making a band. He’s on keyboard (midi with a laptop and output speakers), and they have an electric, a bass, drums, and sax. Now, what they want is a couple of microphones. I would like something inexpensive with a small output speaker. Any ideas? I’m not real sure what to look for.

Just in case no one has answered yet:
Not sure what you mean by a mic with a small output speaker, but as far as inexpensive microphones go, the Shure SM57 is rugged and durable and used on stages everywhere and in studios too (I can’t remember the name, but I recently read of a producer who records entire albums with only SM57s.)
It can handle high SPL, so along with vocals it can handle bass, guitar, drums, etc.)


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