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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:15:31pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:21:22pm

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:30:15pm

Well, it’s the first weekend of the Austin City Limits Festival and the projected high temps are 98 tomorrow, and 99/99 on Saturday and Sunday. With the first real “cool” front coming in Monday a.m., compression wave could push temps above 100 on Sunday.

September in Austin was hotter than July. Global Wierding.

The Fest is held at Zilker Park, about 3/4 of a mile west of the house, and 70,000 of our closest friends will be wandering through my ‘hood to get there.

Today I saw the stupidest dockless scooter vision evah!

A tragically hip hipster (Major man bun, tight jeans, t-shirt, sunglasses) was driving down Barton Springs Road. His sig-other was standing in front of him and, (this is the best part) she’s holding a full-grown English bulldog in her arms. He’s looking in control, she’s smiling rather frantically, and the dog (undoubtedly named either “Winston”, or “Churchill”, or “Toughie”) looked like he would like to be anywhere else on Planet Earth, or least on skateboard.

I’m for the rack. Night all, sweet dreams.

Today, btw, was just bizarre. Drumpf is a meat bag excreting flop sweat. His staff is a fire ant mound that has just been kicked over. His administration is a plane crash. It’s horrifying and disgusting, but you can’t look away.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:35:18pm
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BigPapa  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:37:08pm

that Dossier sure is Dodgy. We’re all assuming it’s Ghouliani, but are we sure?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2019 • 10:42:32pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2019 • 11:17:55pm

Yep, Trump’s melting down, and that press conference yesterday was certainly good evidence of it. The Finnish President, Sauli Niinisto, left no doubt about it - his facial expression was like a movie or TV scene that freeze-frames with a record scratch and a voiceover saying, “You’re probably wondering how I got here….”

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 2, 2019 • 11:40:35pm

re: #7 Dr Lizardo

Yep, Trump’s melting down, and that press conference yesterday was certainly good evidence of it. The Finnish President, Sauli Niinisto, left no doubt about it - his facial expression was like a movie or TV scene that freeze-frames with a record scratch and a voiceover saying, “You’re probably wondering how I got here….”

Yes, I keep hoping someone apologized to him or something.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2019 • 11:43:43pm

re: #8 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Yes, I keep hoping someone apologized to him or something.

Same here. The look on his face said it all.

“FFS, this guy’s nuts. Someone please get me outta here”.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:34:26am

I wanted to be a spaceman.

YouTube

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ckkatz  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:55:44am

‘Tis the beginning of the month and the Washington Post has sent me a new 30-day free digital subscription code. First one in…

wapo.st

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ckkatz  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:08:13am

From the last thread:

re: #166 gocart mozart

The backstory is that back in the early 1970’s when the Mormon Temple was being built, a lot of people had no idea what it was. So somebody tagged the bridge with “Surrender Dorothy” . Which was a Wizard of Oz reference to the very exotic building going up. Seemed good humored guess at the time.

Looks like it has been updated to fit into these crazy times.

en.wikipedia.org

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:09:24am

The loonies are really coming out of the woodwork now and sadly, I expect we’ll see more of this as the impeachment process moves forward.

A man in Arizona was recently arrested and charged with vandalizing a Catholic chapel. Police believe he’s a member of the pro-President Donald Trump conspiracy theory/support group known as “QAnon”.

According to The Arizona Republic, the Chapel of the Holy Cross in Sedona was attacked by a man swinging a crowbar into the altar on September 25th. The attack smashed several sacred chalices. The incident was caught on video and posted online. Afterwards, the same man allegedly sprayed “evil” onto the sidewalk in front of the church.

The Sedona Police Department later arrested 41-year-old Timothy Larson and charged him with aggravated criminal damage, disorderly conduct, and a hate crime. Authorities highlighted Larson’s Twitter account which allegedly identified him as a fervent believer in the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory that so-called “deep state” elements are angling to somehow subvert President Trump and his supporters.

QAnon-aligned conspiracy theorists frequently make false accusations against high-profile members of the political and media establishment and also issue predictions and prognostications which never come to pass — facts which only serves to deepen their followers’ irrational faith in the 21st century mystery cult.

lawandcrime.com

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ckkatz  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:22:57am

Yup, it is likely that there is going to be a lot more stochastic terrorism set off. And innocent people are going to get hurt.

While I do not have any specific knowledge, I must admit that I am more concerned about more organized groups who have been studying and practicing violence. Groups like the III%’ers, the ‘Proud Boys’ and other various Neo-Nazi groups.

At this point from what I have seen publicly, I suspect that urban and suburban local authorities can handle them. And, fortunately, they do not seem to be gaining much traction with the public at large.

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ckkatz  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:24:07am

Well, off to do other things. BBL

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:37:09am

re: #3 austin_blue

Well, it’s the first weekend of the Austin City Limits Festival and the projected high temps are 98 tomorrow, and 99/99 on Saturday and Sunday. With the first real “cool” front coming in Monday a.m., compression wave could push temps above 100 on Sunday.

September in Austin was hotter than July. Global Wierding.

The Fest is held at Zilker Park, about 3/4 of a mile west of the house, and 70,000 of our closest friends will be wandering through my ‘hood to get there.

Today I saw the stupidest dockless scooter vision evah!

A tragically hip hipster (Major man bun, tight jeans, t-shirt, sunglasses) was driving down Barton Springs Road. His sig-other was standing in front of him and, (this is the best part) she’s holding a full-grown English bulldog in her arms. He’s looking in control, she’s smiling rather frantically, and the dog (undoubtedly named either “Winston”, or “Churchill”, or “Toughie”) looked like he would like to be anywhere else on Planet Earth, or least on skateboard.

I’m for the rack. Night all, sweet dreams.

Today, btw, was just bizarre. Drumpf is a meat bag excreting flop sweat. His staff is a fire ant mound that has just been kicked over. His administration is a plane crash. It’s horrifying and disgusting, but you can’t look away.

Hi.

Meanwhile here, I was wakened by the warning alarm on my weather radio this afternoon.

I looked at the display, which read “unidentified warning.”

Turned the radio on for the forecast; we have a freeze warning tonight.

it is currently 29°F. Tomorrow’s high is scheduled for 63°F.

Over in the north Atlantic, Ireland has hurricane warnings in effect for the whole west coast and half of the island, as post-tropical Hurricane Lorenzo is now expected to make a direct hit from the west.

Hurricane Lorenzo is just off the Irish coast.
met.ie (Atlantic surface map showing how weather systems around Ireland are moving)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:48:53am

re: #14 ckkatz

Yup, it is likely that there is going to be a lot more stochastic terrorism set off. And innocent people are going to get hurt.

While I do not have any specific knowledge, I must admit that I am more concerned about more organized groups who have been studying and practicing violence. Groups like the III%’ers, the ‘Proud Boys’ and other various Neo-Nazi groups.

At this point from what I have seen publicly, I suspect that urban and suburban local authorities can handle them. And, fortunately, they do not seem to be gaining much traction with the public at large.

Conservative violence has existed as long as the nation has. Whether it’s the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, the murder and mayhem of Jim Crow, the National Alliance and the Sagebrush Rebellion, there is nothing new here.

Most of these schmucks are 101st Keyboard Warrior Division. Vigilance is always warranted, but folks like local police and the FBI also keep track of the same groups you are concerned about.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:06:11am

Kirk Cameron thinks atheism is contagious (in the way of an illness). He explains how he became a Christian to Ray Comfort by making up a BS story about a teacher telling him things he believed aren’t really true, spurring religious research (a common Christian apologetic).

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 14:52)

Kirk Cameron “I Think I Caught My Atheism…By Contagion”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:39:32am

re: #8 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Yes, I keep hoping someone apologized to him or something.

He understands that Trump does not represent a majority of American voters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:42:33am

re: #13 Dr Lizardo

The loonies are really coming out of the woodwork now and sadly, I expect we’ll see more of this as the impeachment process moves forward.

lawandcrime.com

Sedona. AZ was always crawling with New Agers, Crystal Heads and fans of Esoterica. Probably has to to do with the purported Spiritual Vortex located there, which itself is related to the near-perfect climate, spectacular scenery and high concentration of millionaires’ homes located there.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:43:04am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Kirk Cameron thinks atheism is contagious (in the way of an illness). He explains how he became a Christian to Ray Comfort by making up a BS story about a teacher telling him things he believed aren’t really true, spurring religious research (a common Christian apologetic).

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 14:52)

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Sure, atheism is contagious. The vector of transmission is called “education.” As in the dumber you are, the more readily you buy into a 2000+ book of fairy tales written by dumb-as-dirt goat farmers and put together by a church dedicated to ensuring no texts that would hinder or question its authority be included.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:46:51am

re: #21 Targetpractice

Sure, atheism is contagious. The vector of transmission is called “education.”

Remember that to these crackers, “atheism” or “godlessness” = Evil + Sin.

They cannot grasp how other people might be able to be good human beings without fear of Eternal Damnation to keep them in line.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:55:15am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember that to these crackers, “atheism” or “godlessness” = Evil + Sin.

They cannot grasp how other people might be able to be good human beings without fear of Eternal Damnation to keep them in line.

In my experience, some of the crookedest fuckers tended to those who professed to being “men of God.” And I will never understand the concept of a religious system that says “You’re doomed for eternity for your Earthly sins” but also says “If you receive absolution, then all your Earthly sins are forgiven,” and puts the power to absolve solely within the confines of the church. That’s not a system of morality, that’s a system of control.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:56:52am

re: #23 Targetpractice

… That’s not a system of morality, that’s a system of control.

and places the Church in charge of selling special dispensations and absolution…remember that?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 2:59:05am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember that to these crackers, “atheism” or “godlessness” = Evil + Sin.

They cannot grasp how other people might be able to be good human beings without fear of Eternal Damnation to keep them in line.

Yup.

“If you have to follow your religious faith to keep from raping and murdering, by all means don’t give up your faith.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:01:11am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and places the Church in charge of selling special dispensations and absolution…remember that?

And let’s not forget the centuries of political patronage, with dynasties made or broken by whose family member was sitting in the Chair of St Peter.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:02:26am

re: #23 Targetpractice

In my experience, some of the crookedest fuckers tended to those who professed to being “men of God.” And I will never understand the concept of a religious system that says “You’re doomed for eternity for your Earthly sins” but also says “If you receive absolution, then all your Earthly sins are forgiven,” and puts the power to absolve solely within the confines of the church. That’s not a system of morality, that’s a system of control.

From things which show up in my inbox from time to time. In this case, it’s sort of a response to the conservative formula of “thoughts and prayers” when something bad happens.

Hasidim are Orthodox Jews who follow Mosaic Law strictly; they arose out of a piety movement in Judaism in the latter part of the XXVIII Century.

An interesting quotation from the book “Tales of Hasidim”:

Why Did God Create Atheists?

There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson.

One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?”

The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”

“This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”
—Martin Buber, Tales of Hasidim Vol. 2 (1991)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:03:22am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yup.

“If you have to follow your religious faith to keep from raping and murdering, by all means don’t give up your faith.”

This is why the Bible Belt needs such fire-and-brimstone theology:left to themselves, these people are the drinkinest, whorinest, fightinest, gamblinest bunch of roustabouts and troublemakers we have ever encountered.

They need a very tightly laced moral corset to keep them at all in line, and basically, if they are not workin’ hard or prayin’, they are sinning or fighting off the temptation to do so.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:08:08am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They keep telling us “The South will rise again.” I keep wondering when that happens.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:09:40am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They keep telling us “The South will rise again.” I keep wondering when that happens.

Just as soon as the SSDI checks stop showing up in the mail.

///

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:24:54am

“Singular they”: God said it, I believe it, that settles it (Goes to Language Log at the University of Pennsylvania)

This is a short article on the use of the pronoun “they” with a singular antecedent.

The important part of the article lists out all the Bible verses in the KJV and other versions which use “they” as a singular pronoun.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:26:03am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They keep telling us “The South will rise again.” I keep wondering when that happens.

Well, if it means that they’ll resort to drinking, whoring and gambling as a full-time occupation, hey……that might well be an improvement.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:28:08am

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Singular they”: God said it, I believe it, that settles it (Goes to Language Log at the University of Pennsylvania)

This is a short article on the use of the pronoun “they” with a singular antecedent.

The important part of the article lists out all the Bible verses in the KJV and other versions which use “they” as a singular pronoun.

In English translations of the Qur’an, God always refers to himself as “We”, similar to the “royal We” that Queen Elizabeth II uses.

It’s almost an entirely obsolete style, especially in American English.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:35:00am

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

In English translations of the Qur’an, God always refers to himself as “We”, similar to the “royal We” that Queen Elizabeth II uses.

It’s almost an entirely obsolete style, especially in American English.

We still use it on occasion…when we are amused.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:36:53am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still use it on occasion…when we are amused.

A newspaper publisher will sometimes use “we” to refer to a position the newspaper takes on a particular subject (a newspaper consisting of many people).

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:43:26am
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ozharas  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:44:10am

Australia responds to Lindsay Graham’s letter (and finally reads the room)

… you made mention of the role of an Australian diplomat. We reject your characterization of his role.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:50:04am

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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It really is like they’re daring Democrats to launch an investigation into their business activities.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:51:51am

re: #38 Targetpractice

It really is like they’re daring Democrats to launch an investigation into their business activities.

They know that our press will pick up the whataboutism and that will provide them with a smoke screen.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:53:24am

re: #38 Targetpractice

It really is like they’re daring Democrats to launch an investigation into their business activities.

No one ever used the Trump name on a property and paid them for it to make money on a building property. /s

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:10:59am

Trump is energized, and so is his base:

“These people are trying to destroy our country, they’re sick, there’s something wrong with them,” Trump said. He repeated his complaint about Schiff making up his own dialogue when supposedly quoting from the transcript of the phone call at last week’s hearing.

“He quoted the president of the United States in a fraudulent manner, he made the entire thing up,” Trump said. “He couldn’t quote me because there was nothing to quote … he just made the whole thing up, he’s sick.”

Schiff, who defended his fictional rendition as “parody,” is, ironically, part of the third reason for Trump’s optimism. He cites the “tremendous response” among his supporters, saying they are motivated by the attacks coming from Democrats and the media.

“I see the fundraising, it’s the biggest ever,” Trump said, mentioning the record $125 million take for his campaign and the Republican National Committee.

nypost.com

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:19:49am

Hilariously creepy (thread):

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:24:06am

re: #36 Patricia Kayden

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Who the fuck are you to whine about this Beavis? Your brother in law was acting as shadow Secretary of State before your Daddy got that jagoff Pompeo.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:24:28am

re: #38 Targetpractice

It really is like they’re daring Democrats to launch an investigation into their business activities.

I wouldn’t be surprised right now if the Screw York Times was conspiring with BreitFART to publish “Biden Cash”.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:24:34am

re: #41 Shropshire Slasher

Trump is energized, and so is his base:

nypost.com

His energised base didn’t help much in 2018.

Meanwhile, living in a town where everyone but eight people voted for Trump, I see a lot of people who are disillusioned by the supposed promise of economic revival by Trump.

The latest state polling is in for Morning Consult regarding President Trump’s popularity by state.

morningconsult.com

The interesting thing about the map (red is underwater, blue is supporting) is the High Plains states are sliding more.

My state (Nebr.) has slipped further: Trump is now at -2 (down from +23 in Jan 17). We are definitely in swing state territory (hey Dems, you want five electoral votes? How about campaigning here).

ND and SD are at +1 (also putting them in swing territory).

TX is +2 (also swing territory, and the death knell for the GOP if it falls to the Dems in 2020). Only Oklahoma is outside swing territory (+11).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:25:58am

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹🎃

His energised base didn’t help much in 2018.

Meanwhile, living in a town where everyone but eight people voted for Trump, I see a lot of people who are disillusioned by the supposed promise of economic revival by Trump.

The latest state polling is in for Morning Consult regarding President Trump’s popularity by state.

morningconsult.com

The interesting thing about the map (red is underwater, blue is supporting) is the High Plains states are sliding more.

My state (Nebr.) has slipped further: Trump is now at -2 (down from +23 in Jan 17). We are definitely in swing state territory (hey Dems, you want five electoral votes? How about campaigning here).

ND and SD are at +1 (also putting them in swing territory).

TX is +2 (also swing territory, and the death knell for the GOP if it falls to the Dems in 2020). Only Oklahoma is outside swing territory (+11).

Not surprised about Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma. But add in 100 years of Right Wing Xtianity and POOF!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:29:23am

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not surprised about Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma. But add in 100 years of Right Wing Xtianity and POOF!

The LBJ quote works well for Oklahoma.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:30:59am

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not surprised about Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma. But add in 100 years of Right Wing Xtianity and POOF!

I had the displeasure of living in Oklahoma. The Nebraska Panhandle is positively progressive compared to Oklahoma.

I don’t see some great socialist wave here in the High Plains, but moving the needle somewhat to the left of Genghis Khan would be nice.

You’ve noted your DSA group in Los Angeles is all in on Bern or Bust. Our own DSA groups here (Lincoln and Omaha) are far more pragmatic: They know that the needle is only going to move gradually, and they will support pretty much any Democrat (not Gabbard or Williamson) to prevent another Trumpsterfire.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:39:23am

re: #41 Shropshire Slasher

Trump is energized, and so is his base:

nypost.com

As Anymouse already noted, red voters were also “energized” in 2018, so much so that they surpassed the 2016 turnout. Problem was that the anti-Trump vote was so much higher that even increased wingnut turnout did not save their asses. And that was an election where A) Trump wasn’t on the ballot and B) he wasn’t facing impeachment.

I’m sure that Trump is thrilled by that fundraising take, as it’s even more money that will end up in his pockets before next November.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:42:44am

re: #49 Targetpractice

As Anymouse already noted, red voters were also “energized” in 2018, so much so that they surpassed the 2016 turnout. Problem was that the anti-Trump vote was so much higher that even increased wingnut turnout did not save their asses. And that was an election where A) Trump wasn’t on the ballot and B) he wasn’t facing impeachment.

I’m sure that Trump is thrilled by that fundraising take, as it’s even more money that will end up in his pockets before next November.

Rest assured that Charles Koch, the Mercers, Adelson, Foster Fries and the My Pillow Asshole will be prepared to dump hundreds of millions of dollars into the GOP to keep the Republicans in control of the Senate.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:46:46am

His base is probably energized but so is ours. And the best he’s had against Warren is the lame Pocahontas insult?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:47:28am

re: #50 Joe Bacon 🌹

Rest assured that Charles Koch, the Mercers, Adelson, Foster Fries and the My Pillow Asshole will be prepared to dump hundreds of millions of dollars into the GOP to keep the Republicans in control of the Senate.

Maybe so. Mr. Koch has noted he would fund Democrats this time around though (and any Democrat who took his money would probably be toast).

The GOP is still defending more seats than the Dems. That said, some of those seats are in particularly red states (like Mike Enzi in Wyoming). We’ll have to see what happens. What we don’t need is a lefty version of the Tea Party.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:48:33am

re: #49 Targetpractice

What were the Democrats running on in 2018? Don’t you think the constant barrage of impeachment hearings will drown out the voices of sanity in the Democratic Party?

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:49:14am

Here’s hoping the leader of the free world doesn’t lose his mind in front of the planet again today.

Am I too late already to wish that?

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:49:54am

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Maybe so. Mr. Koch has noted he would fund Democrats this time around though (and any Democrat who took his money would probably be toast).

The GOP is still defending more seats than the Dems. That said, some of those seats are in particularly red states (like Mike Enzi in Wyoming). We’ll have to see what happens. What we don’t need is a lefty version of the Tea Party.

GOP is defending more seats, is losing more and more incumbent advantage with each retirement, and that’s even before we get into the down ticket races in states that are being forced to redraw their districts after years of gerrymandering.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:51:39am

re: #53 Shropshire Slasher

What were the Democrats running on in 2018? Don’t you think the constant barrage of impeachment hearings will drown out the voices of sanity in the Democratic Party?

“Voices of sanity”? You mean like Tulsi Gabbard?

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:55:21am

re: #56 Targetpractice

“Voices of sanity”? You mean like Tulsi Gabbard?

It’s a false choice. Impeachment is sanity. Pretending that Trumpism is in any way normal or acceptable is not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:58:36am

Pardon me if I don’t want to hear about what Trump’s “base” being stirred up when he’s never polled above 50% and makes his own scandals worse.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:02:25am

For the European contingent of LGF:

I just received an invitation to come to Germany for an event of an organisation I belong to.

I ran the idea by my wife, and she says we have the money to go. It will be in Aschaffenburg, Germany on May 21-24, 2020.

If we go (it seems promising at the moment) there is a possibility we can inflict ourselves on European LGF members.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:03:24am

re: #54 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Here’s hoping the leader of the free world doesn’t lose his mind in front of the planet again today.

Am I too late already to wish that?

I think Justin Trudeau is pretty sane. I imagine he won’t melt down on television. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:05:54am

re: #53 Shropshire Slasher

What were the Democrats running on in 2018? Don’t you think the constant barrage of impeachment hearings will drown out the voices of sanity in the Democratic Party?

Preserving healthcare, the economy, and holding Mr. Trump accountable for his actions.

If Mr. Trump is still in office, that theme doesn’t change. In the meantime, when the rubber hits the road, I really don’t think a whole bunch of farmers or manufacturing workers want to lose their jobs and homes just to “own the libs” (and the ones who do probably deserve it anyway).

We’ll have to see: It’s still over a year before the election.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:06:38am

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From things which show up in my inbox from time to time. In this case, it’s sort of a response to the conservative formula of “thoughts and prayers” when something bad happens.

Hasidim are Orthodox Jews who follow Mosaic Law strictly; they arose out of a piety movement in Judaism in the latter part of the XXVIII Century.

An interesting quotation from the book “Tales of Hasidim”:

Why Did God Create Atheists?

There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson.

One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?”

The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”

“This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”
—Martin Buber, Tales of Hasidim Vol. 2 (1991)

I like that story.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:07:40am

The “voices of sanity” largely are falling into the “Nothing is getting done!” camp, which was pretty well addressed yesterday by Pelosi. The House is getting things done, it’s passing bills, but those bills are sitting in the Senate by order of Mitch McConnell. And this is not something that started last week, he’s been sitting on bills for months and has sworn that certain bills that we’re told impeachment is “imperiling” would never come to a vote. So yes, it’s a false dilemma, the idea that the price for legislation that was never going anywhere to begin with is letting Trump skate on his crimes until next November.

If you want to understand where voters get the idea that “both sides are the same,” look to those “voices of sanity.”

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Danack  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:10:01am

re: #41 Shropshire Slasher

Trump is energized, and so is his base:

“so is his base”

“so is his base”

His base might be strong, but that’s not the same as the Republican base.

But also, Trumps base is small. Even if they are really motivated and turn out to vote in higher numbers, a high turnout rate for 30% of voters, is going to be relatively small to a increased turnout rate for the 55% (or so) of voters who are sick of his shit.

Even without any new events occurring, the 2020 elections are going to be incredibly tough for Republicans. And we’ve got a whole year of President Sundown losing his shit.

At the risk of making a prediction - this is likely to come to an end more suddenly (though maybe not soon), when someone forces Trump to sit down and answer questions in front of a camera.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:14:41am

re: #64 Danack

Considering how rapidly Mr. Trump seems to be declining (at least to me), I’m not sure he will be able to mount an effective campaign for President.

He hasn’t held a Nuremberg Electric Boogaloo 2 rally in some time. He’s mostly avoiding public appearances. He’s spending more time on Twitter.

On the GOP side of the aisle, there has to be calculations by Republican politicians whether they need to stay connected to him or distance themselves from him. The RNC is sticking by him because that’s their job.

The number of Republicans headed for the exits seems to show the party as its behaving now can’t hold.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:14:52am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:18:14am

Good thing Trump doesn’t care about polls.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:18:29am

re: #64 Danack

I heard that in 2016, wasn’t accurate, but maybe it will energize the Democrats base. I’m of the opinion the breathlessness of the impeachment cry will wear them out

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:18:58am

re: #66 Shropshire Slasher

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

Impeachment investigations are already underway.

Nixon was polling quite high until the investigation started. As the information came out, his support suddenly collapsed and a couple weeks later he was out.

I don’t see Mr. Trump resigning (at least not willingly) because he would view resignation as defeat. (That, and those states champing at the bit for state prosecutions.)

Trump has always been underwater, and in the last few days suddenly sunk in polling. Even Rasmussen has him (slightly) underwater.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:19:38am

re: #66 Shropshire Slasher

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

See Nixon, Richard M.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:25:25am

re: #68 Shropshire Slasher

I heard that in 2016, wasn’t accurate, but maybe it will energize the Democrats base. I’m of the opinion the breathlessness of the impeachment cry will wear them out

Mrs. Clinton won the election by popular vote. The problem is the Electoral College is weighted toward acres and not people.

What is noteworthy is the slide in nominally red states like mine (as noted above, he won with +25 in the vote but is currently -2).

There is more than one way to win an election. One is energising more of your voters than the other guys. Another is that the other guys are disillusioned and chose to vote for the Democrats (or don’t vote at all).

In my state, the voter turnout was north of 80% (mail voting works) in the 2016 election. The GOP really doesn’t have more people they can energise: They need to appeal to the squishy middle and Democrats who didn’t vote because they saw voting as pointless in such a Trump-loving state.

Democrats aren’t voting for the GOP here (which explains why in the local 2018 elections the state party fielded the most Democratic candidates in history and a huge number won - my own reëlection failing was actually a minority of the Democratic candidates on the ballot here). The squishy 20% or so who didn’t vote here are the target of both the GOP and Dems, and the GOP really doesn’t have a lot to offer them (a wall a thousand miles away? Soybean and corn prices crashing?)

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:25:33am

re: #66 Shropshire Slasher

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

He’s been steadily polling lower than either Nixon or Clinton when impeachment inquiries began and his numbers have been in decline since last week. In fact, by contrast, when Clinton was impeached, his job approval numbers jumped 10 pts to 73%.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:30:12am

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not surprised about Oklahoma.

100 years ago the state with the most radical Socialist Party was Oklahoma. But add in 100 years of Right Wing Xtianity and POOF!

Great article this month in the Smithsonian on the Oklahoma Socialist “Green Corn Rebellion.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:36:36am

My wife is watching a series on Hulu called “Bless This Mess,” about a city family which inherits a farm in ultra-rural Nebraska. They move here and try to run the farm.

My wife notes the farm looks like a farm around here (perhaps near the village of Arthur).

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steve_davis  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:36:38am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still use it on occasion…when we are amused.

We use it sometimes…when we are petsing our precioussss.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:40:54am

It can be treading familiar ground to knock on the NYT, but it’s important because of just how damaging their “both sides” pathology is, and how, while they’re the worst offender, they’re not outliers. Just the vanguard of the absurd normalization afforded to Trump and Co.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:44:16am

re: #67 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Good thing Trump doesn’t care about polls.

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Morning, all!

In “normal” times, this would be dreadful news indeed for a sitting President facing scandals: 45% favoring “impeachment and removal” NOW? Basically, Trump’s numbers are starting where Nixon’s ended. Just before Tricky Dick went on that one-way helicopter ride…

But, as consistently and insistently noted, we’re living in far from “normal” times.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:46:03am

re: #73 Barefoot Grin

Great article this month in the Smithsonian on the Oklahoma Socialist “Green Corn Rebellion.”

Oklahoma’s entire existence is the result of socialism.

Starting with the Homestead Act — the federal government gave FREE LAND!! to people who couldn’t possibly have pulled together cash for purchases. The federal government provided for the safety of the people on that land, by having US Army remove the previous owners who would have objected to the new arrivals. Then the federal government built a railroad, so these farmers would have a market available for their crops. And land grant universities, so the farmers’ kids would be well-educated as to the newest best practices in farming (which were discovered by federally funded research). And when the farmers ignored the best practices and over planted the whole region into a dust bowl — it was federally funded scientists with their federally funded staff and federally funded equipment and supplies who rehabbed the land to make it productive again. Those farms are still receiving price supports and subsidies.

But how dare THOSE PEOPLE want a handout paid for by the taxes paid by these intrepid, hard-working, self-made bootstrappers who earned everything themselves with no help from anyone.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:46:15am

re: #76 Citizen K

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It can be treading familiar ground to knock on the NYT, but it’s important because of just how damaging their “both sides” pathology is, and how, while they’re the worst offender, they’re not outliers. Just the vanguard of the absurd normalization afforded to Trump and Co.

He reiterated on live TV his demands that Schiff resign for something that is not a crime and that he be tried for “treason.” “Stormy mood,” my ass.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:48:33am

re: #79 Targetpractice

He reiterated on live TV his demands that Schiff resign for something that is not a crime and that he be tried for “treason.” “Stormy mood,” my ass.

C’mon, I mean, it’s not like he did something truly obscene like use a curse word or something live.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:48:44am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

His base is probably energized but so is ours. And the best he’s had against Warren is the lame Pocahontas insult?

What I wouldn’t give to have Warren give trump a stern “Oh, grow up, you’re not five years old” in a debate…face to face.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:49:07am

Maybe “stormy mood” was somebody’s attempt at a bad pun?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:50:00am

re: #76 Citizen K

It can be treading familiar ground to knock on the NYT, but it’s important because of just how damaging their “both sides” pathology is, and how, while they’re the worst offender, they’re not outliers. Just the vanguard of the absurd normalization afforded to Trump and Co.

If you think the Times is normalising him, you’re not seeing my local media (newspapers, television, and radio).

Tom Steyer could do a great service by purchasing media outlets in red states to provide actual balanced news coverage, instead of a quixotic run at the Presidency. Sheldon Adelson shut down the close investigative journalism exposing corruption in the casino industry in Las Vegas (including his casino) by purchasing the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I’d buy someone all the drinks if they bought the Scottsbluff Star-Herald just so it reports mostly balanced news coverage.

We get right-wing opinion columns to balance the far-right opinion columns.

The only liberal voice they ever get is when they print a letter from a Democrat in the area in the letters column. (I was amazed they printed a letter from me going after the publisher of the newspaper.)

Over in the county next door, the Garden County News eliminated all political coverage in their paper (even local politics) to encourage “civility.” (The News is an independently-owned paper.)

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:53:01am

re: #78 sagehen

tarting with the Homestead Act — the federal government gave FREE LAND!! to people who couldn’t possibly have pulled together cash for purchases..

I always found it funny that straight, law-abiding people enjoyed calling themselves “Sooners” to celebrate cheating their neighbors by getting to that free land before the legal start.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:53:07am

re: #82 sagehen

Maybe “stormy mood” was somebody’s attempt at a bad pun?

Stormy Daniels for President! Make Porn Great Again!

Louisiana has still not solved (that means hasn’t bothered to investigate) who blew up her campaign manager’s car when she was running for the Senate there.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:54:42am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

the Garden County News eliminated all political coverage in their paper (even local politics) to encourage “civility.”

The ‘shut up and endure what’s coming to you’ method.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:56:52am

re: #86 jaunte

The ‘shut up and endure what’s coming to you’ method.

They claim now they only print “good news.”

I ended my subscription to their paper when they ended local political coverage.

They also will not print any political letters to the editor.

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jeffreyw  Oct 3, 2019 • 5:59:23am

Good morning!

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:00:33am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If you think the Times is normalising him, you’re not seeing my local media (newspapers, television, and radio).

Tom Steyer could do a great service by purchasing media outlets in red states to provide actual balanced news coverage, instead of a quixotic run at the Presidency. Sheldon Adelson shut down the close investigative journalism exposing corruption in the casino industry in Las Vegas (including his casino) by purchasing the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I’d buy someone all the drinks if they bought the Scottsbluff Star-Herald just so it reports mostly balanced news coverage.

We get right-wing opinion columns to balance the far-right opinion columns.

The only liberal voice they ever get is when they print a letter from a Democrat in the area in the letters column. (I was amazed they printed a letter from me going after the publisher of the newspaper.)

Over in the county next door, the Garden County News eliminated all political coverage in their paper (even local politics) to encourage “civility.” (The News is an independently-owned paper.)

True, but arguably, the Times doing it is much worse, both in scope and in optics. The Times is a national paper with international reach by comparison, and not to mention one of the regularly derided ‘Liberal Media’. Them going all in on the normalization effort sets the baseline and does a whole lot in openly pushing the Overton Window rightward. There’s a reason why folks around here and other lefty blogs tend to deride the whole thing of ‘Even The Liberal _____…’.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:02:12am

re: #49 Targetpractice

As Anymouse already noted, red voters were also “energized” in 2018, so much so that they surpassed the 2016 turnout. Problem was that the anti-Trump vote was so much higher that even increased wingnut turnout did not save their asses. And that was an election where A) Trump wasn’t on the ballot and B) he wasn’t facing impeachment.

I’m sure that Trump is thrilled by that fundraising take, as it’s even more money that will end up in his pockets before next November.

It’ll end up in the pockets of his legal “team” because he’s going to be diverting so much of that campaign funds to pay his legal defense across all the lawsuits, impeachment, etc.

And yet, the money keeps flowing into Facebook to misinform the masses via the agitprop Trump spews directly to his base.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:08:27am
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:09:53am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We were also waging a very unpopular war. At that time the broadcast media had much more power to shape the daily news narrative. Now? Trump has this thing called tweeting that sets the narrative.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:13:06am

Geez, even fucking Nickelback wants nothing to do with Trump.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:14:13am

re: #91 jaunte

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Which means that if it comes in 10K above the estimate, we’ll be told that the economy is “stronger than predicted” and this helps Trump’s fight against impeachment.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:14:59am

Do you think the people who work at the The Intercept are ever embarrassed by Glenn?

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:17:15am

While we’re discussing the media, it seems the state media is faltering:

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:17:40am

re: #70 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:18:50am
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:19:28am

re: #96 Targetpractice

While we’re discussing the media, it seems the state media is faltering:

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Those couch cancers haven’t had to think for years and haven’t been made to play defense.

They’re old dogs who will not pick up on this new trick very easily.

Good! The timing could not have been better.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:20:03am

re: #90 lawhawk

It’ll end up in the pockets of his legal “team” because he’s going to be diverting so much of that campaign funds to pay his legal defense across all the lawsuits, impeachment, etc.

And yet, the money keeps flowing into Facebook to misinform the masses via the agitprop Trump spews directly to his base.

The more money they line Trump’s pockets with, the less money for other conservative candidates.

I just got an E-mail from a friend in Switzerland (IRL friend) urging me to come to the convention in Germany in May. He points out that Europe can handle two cornpones from the Nebraska Panhandle.

My wife’s been thinking about this, and she is warming to the idea. We’ll likely be calling the travel agent in Oshkosh to make an appointment to plan a flight from Regina, Saskatchewan to Frankfurt now.

LGFers in Europe better hide, it looks like we’re coming soon.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:20:21am

Democrats now realize all they have to do is keep encouraging Trump to have public panic attacks and temper tantrums.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:20:43am

What you most hear from congressional Republicans on impeachment this week is the sound of silence.

GOP sources tell CNN they have a good reason for that fear. They have no idea what else House Democrats’ investigation will uncover or what comes next.

Along with that fear is frustration with President Donald Trump: his ranting in performances full of false claims, like Wednesday in the Oval Office and White House East Room, and stream of consciousness rapid-fire tweets — curse words and all — are not exactly an anti-impeachment road map for his fellow Republicans…

And although phrases like “witch hunt” and “hoax” worked for the President politically during the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller, concerned GOP sources — more than half a dozen, including some in leadership who are talking to and hearing from the rank and file — tell CNN that they worry the President isn’t comprehending what they believe to be true, that this is different…

Several congressional Republicans tell CNN that their concern is exacerbated by getting very little guidance from the White House. CNN reported last week that, despite an initial flirtation with setting up an impeachment war room in the mold of Bill Clinton’s White House during his impeachment, the Trump team is not going there now.

“There is no White House war room. Why are we the ones who have to defend him?” asked one congressional GOP source.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:21:03am

And he can’t control himself.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:21:28am

re: #97 Shropshire Slasher

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

And you’re assuming that Trump’s corruption and criminality that is out in the open is a net benefit to the GOP?

Who are you kidding.

Oh wait. You’re just parroting GOP talking points even as new polling continues to see support grow for impeachment and removal from office.

Troll in the dungeon
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:21:35am

re: #97 Shropshire Slasher

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

Just announcing the investigation has tipped the numbers considerably.

The very thought of impeachment is making Trump lose his mind in public.

So….yeah. Net positive for sure.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:22:48am

re: #97 Shropshire Slasher

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

If future hearings are anything like that conducted with Acting Director Maguire last week, then I think the Dem leadership has a lot of reason to believe future hearings will only further harm the WH’s position.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:25:02am

Trump is so nuts his people have to try to suppress stories about what he actually says.

“Deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley declined to comment on the president’s suggestions.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:27:13am

re: #104 lawhawk

I look forward to to see Adam Schiff continue to make an ass out of himself. Troll? That’s the best you got? Yawn.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:28:16am

My wife made her decision.

We are going to Germany.

She also wants to combine that with a rail trip across France, Spain, and Portugal.

I guess I need to make an appointment with the travel agent.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:28:36am

re: #108 Shropshire Slasher

I look forward to to see Adam Schiff continue to make an ass out of himself. Troll? That’s the best you got? Yawn.

You’re right, Schiff asking Maguire on live TV about a prank involving naked photos of Trump was a laugh riot…oh wait, that was Nunes.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:29:28am

re: #110 Targetpractice

How’s his lawsuit against a cow coming along?

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:29:44am

re: #107 jaunte

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Trump is so nuts his people have to try to suppress stories about what he actually says.

“Deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley declined to comment on the president’s suggestions.”

And I have a feeling another thing they are likely to want to suppress is the level of Trump-voter/GOP support said “bayonets” proposal would actually have.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:29:58am

re: #108 Shropshire Slasher

I look forward to to see Adam Schiff continue to make an ass out of himself. Troll? That’s the best you got? Yawn.

Where has Rep. Schiff “made an ass out of himself?” Please show your work.

My Republicypher representative Adrian Smith (NE-3) says absolutely nothing about any of this. All he does is say how he’s working on behalf of Nebraska farmers and ranchers. He is entirely avoiding the elephant in the room.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:30:43am

re: #112 Jay C

3% want to handle the bayonet themselves.
0% if the other side brings bayonets.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:31:27am

re: #111 jaunte

How’s his lawsuit against a cow coming along?

It’s moooooooooving along.

It’s not even a cow; it’s a parody cow.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:31:41am

re: #107 jaunte

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Trump is so nuts his people have to try to suppress stories about what he actually says.

“Deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley declined to comment on the president’s suggestions.”

Bayonets, sounds perfectly unmonsterlike. This guy won’t even fire his own employees to their face but wants our border guys to ram bayonets through women and children trying to have the opportunity for a better life.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:32:02am

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Where has Rep. Schiff “made an ass out of himself?” Please show your work.

My Republicypher representative Adrian Smith (NE-3) says absolutely nothing about any of this. All he does is say how he’s working on behalf of Nebraska farmers and ranchers. He is entirely avoiding the elephant in the room.

I’m gonna guess “made up a transcript” or some wording to that effect, the talking point du jour among wingnuts who want desperately to act as though they’re the ones looking good in all this.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:32:29am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It’s moooooooooving along.

It’s not even a cow; it’s a parody cow.

Do parody cows make I can’t believe it’s not butter?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:33:13am
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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:33:17am

re: #118 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Do parody cows make I can’t believe it’s not butter?

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:33:27am

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Schiff’s parody of Trump’s phone calls to the Ukraine. That. Was. Dumb. Where is that whistleblower report anyway?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:33:41am

Very Serious Old Party

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:33:54am

Called it!

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:34:29am

Holding a lawless president accountable for criminal behavior is not a partisan issue. Presenting it as such is to deflect and defend it.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:36:04am

re: #124 BigPapa

You have to wonder why anyone would be so invested in the hopeless cause of pretending this president* is a net positive for the country.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:37:23am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:39:16am

re: #108 Shropshire Slasher

I look forward to to see Adam Schiff continue to make an ass out of himself. Troll? That’s the best you got? Yawn.

Fuck off.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:39:55am

re: #97 Shropshire Slasher

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

Hearings aren’t meant to be a net positive for a political party. Hearings are to determine if behaviour or actions warrant removal from office.

Hearings could also clear Mr. Trump of any suspicion. In that event, the GOP and Mr. Trump should welcome the chance to show he is not unfit for office. Any impeachment hearings before the relevant committees allow Republican representatives to present evidence which they believe debunks claims against him.

Over on the Senate side (assuming articles of impeachment are actually approved, which is not a sure thing yet), in the Senate trial Mr. Trump or his allies are free to present any sort of evidence showing that he has not broken the law or violated his oath.

The process of impeachment still provides for the person impeached to present their case that they have not done anything untoward or illegal.

Sen. Lindsey Graham noted during the impeachment of Bill Clinton that the purpose of impeachment was to remove the stain of impropriety on the office of the Presidency.

As such, the constitutional procedure of impeachment protects the office, not the person.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:40:44am

Schiff didn’t parody, he paraphrased. In that this was over a 3 hour hearing with much damning testimony, focusing on Schiff’s paraphrasing of events is pretty desperate. Supporters of President Cartman are grasping at *anything* that can be used to make more noise and muddy the waters.

And I’m fucking enjoying every bit of the increasing ridiculousness.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:40:48am

re: #108 Shropshire Slasher

I look forward to to see Adam Schiff continue to make an ass out of himself. Troll? That’s the best you got? Yawn.

Gotta love that quoting Trump is now the fault of the quote. But, I get it. You watching your party turn to shit in real time and it’s hard to handle.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:42:41am

re: #111 jaunte

How’s his lawsuit against a cow coming along?

Screw that, I’m more interested in Rudy filing suit against ‘The Swamp.’

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:42:47am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff’s parody of Trump’s phone calls to the Ukraine. That. Was. Dumb. Where is that whistleblower report anyway?

Not so “dumb” that it didn’t have the near-immediate effect of making Donald Trump lose his shit on live TV and end up ranting, spewing, and calling Schiff a “traitor”. Whose credibility do you think was more damaged?*

And that POTUS Donald Trump has - outside of his cultish “base” - pretty much trashed whatever inherent credibility his office ought to have provided him, is IMO, one of the great underreported aspects of this whole sorry (Mal)Administration.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:43:17am

re: #131 makeitstop

There’s a “no standing” joke in there somewhere.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:43:44am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff’s parody of Trump’s phone calls to the Ukraine. That. Was. Dumb. Where is that whistleblower report anyway?

Adam Schiff did not “parody” the report; he paraphrased it and said so.

As for “where is the whistleblower report,” if I can find it in two seconds on a search engine using an Internet service connexion consisting of two cans with a seven hundred mile string between them and read it, I’m sure you can.

At any rate, here it is. Please read it. I dare you.
READ: House Intel Committee Releases Whistleblower Complaint On Trump-Ukraine Call (goes to NPR)

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:44:40am

re: #131 makeitstop

Screw that, I’m more interested in Rudy filing suit against ‘The Swamp.’

Bring on discovery!

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:45:40am

Really, what WH talking point will we be subjected to next?

“Schiff orchestrated the whistleblower report!”?

“The whistleblower form was changed ‘mysteriously’!”?

“There was no explicit ‘quid pro quo’!”?

I’m breathless with anticipation.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:46:10am

re: #136 Targetpractice

Really, what WH talking point will we be subjected to next?

“Schiff orchestrated the whistleblower report!”?

“The whistleblower form was changed ‘mysteriously’!”?

“There was no explicit ‘quid pro quo’!”?

I’m breathless with anticipation.

Schiff wrote the report!!!

//

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:46:15am

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:46:47am

Oh good grief, this petty ass.

(And no, that’s not a joke, they really went ahead and just put it on Youtube after it was struck on Twitter)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:47:14am

re: #117 Targetpractice

I’m gonna guess “made up a transcript” or some wording to that effect, the talking point du jour among wingnuts who want desperately to act as though they’re the ones looking good in all this.

I believe the reasoning they’re attempting is this:
1. Whistleblower calls Schiff out of concern (why would a whistleblower call otherwise).
2. Schiff tells the whistleblower to say that Trump did X.
3. Whistleblower says Trump did X.
(Now watch where this goes off the rails)
4. Trump says he did X.
5. Trump releases transcript saying he did X.
(Now we have to fix this)
6. Trump denies he did X.
7. Trump says transcript he released doesn’t exist.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:47:29am

Wingnut radio got the talking point to hammer on the changing of the whistlblower law from 1st hand evidence only to 2nd hand evidence ‘right before the whistleblower submitted his complaint’ and AHA! ConSPIRACY!

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:48:00am

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Great lesson! Thanks for posting it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:48:06am

re: #108 Shropshire Slasher

I got to ask you SS…Are you Michael Tracey?????????????

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:50:10am

re: #142 The Pie Overlord!

Great lesson! Thanks for posting it.

Well, it’s not original to me as I noted. I found it interesting though.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:50:33am

re: #139 Citizen K

Oh good grief, this petty ass.

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(And no, that’s not a joke, they really went ahead and just put it on Youtube after it was struck on Twitter)

Because looking petty as fuck is really gonna impress the voters.

/////

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:51:35am

re: #145 Targetpractice

The liddle’est president*

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:51:52am

The Banter takes a bunch of Hillary hating Loony Leftists (Greenwald, Halper, Tracey, Mate) to the woodshed and gives them the damned good whacking they deserve!

thebanter.substack.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:52:30am

re: #140 Belafon

I believe the reasoning they’re attempting is this:
1. Whistleblower calls Schiff out of concern (why would a whistleblower call otherwise).
2. Schiff tells the whistleblower to say that Trump did X.
3. Whistleblower says Trump did X.
(Now watch where this goes off the rails)
4. Trump says he did X.
5. Trump releases transcript saying he did X.
(Now we have to fix this)
6. Trump denies he did X.
7. Trump says transcript he released doesn’t exist.

Yep, the point shit went sideways for Repubs was the moment Trump admitted to the crime. Before that, they could dismiss it as “rumor” or a “conspiracy theory” and insist that there was simply no way that the whistleblower report pertained to a serious matter. Then he opened his gob because he felt untouchable and things snowballed from there.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:52:56am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He understands that Trump does not represent a majority of American voters.

That’s the thing. The president is our representative, whether we like it or not, whether he has our support or not. He was put into office in form of law, majority or not.

An incident like that reflects on all of us.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:55:40am

re: #140 Belafon

I believe the reasoning they’re attempting is this:
1. Whistleblower calls Schiff out of concern (why would a whistleblower call otherwise).
2. Schiff tells the whistleblower to say that Trump did X.
3. Whistleblower says Trump did X.
(Now watch where this goes off the rails)
4. Trump says he did X.
5. Trump releases transcript saying he did X.
(Now we have to fix this)
6. Trump denies he did X.
7. Trump says transcript he released doesn’t exist.

I dunno: tbh, this timeline seems to be pretty much the way the “Ukrainegate whistleblower” flap actually has worked out: with exception of point 2). Which I would edit to say:

2) Schiff tells the whistleblower to go to the relevant IG to say that Trump did X

Of course, it’s points 4-7 which are the sick part….

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:55:57am

Beyond the warm joy of watching everybody laugh at Hipster Coffee Boy Wohl and The Fly Burkman be ridiculed, a large amount of people are enjoying the thought of Warren getting some side action from young stud. If only she paid him $130k to shaddap!

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:57:57am

re: #150 Jay C

I dunno: tbh, this timeline seems to be pretty much the way the “Ukrainegate whistleblower” flap actually has worked out: with exception of point 2). Which I would edit to say:

2) Schiff tells the whistleblower to go to the relevant IG to say that Trump did X

Of course, it’s points 4-7 which are the sick part….

The first few steps are what SS and the other Republicans are attempting to argue. Then they have to deny what happened next for it to work. As Targetpractice said, it would have worked had Trump shut up and not released anything.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 6:58:06am

I am just waiting for Elizabeth Warren to goof on Wohl and Burkman. It will be a treat to see her engage in Tongue-Fu and rip those assholes to pieces!

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:00:23am

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:01:52am

re: #153 Joe Bacon 🌹

I am just waiting for Elizabeth Warren to goof on Wohl and Burkman. It will be a treat to see her engage in Tongue-Fu and rip those assholes to pieces!

Or she should just ignore them. I find it interesting that nothing happened to Wohl after he tried to pay women to deride Mueller. That’s a hell of White privilege he’s got going fir him.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:02:25am

re: #153 Joe Bacon 🌹

I am just waiting for Elizabeth Warren to goof on Wohl and Burkman. It will be a treat to see her engage in Tongue-Fu and rip those assholes to pieces!

If asked about the alleged long term/months whirlwind affair, Warren winks and says ‘Semper Fi’ I will drop to the floor and do the Wiggle Worm before death.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:02:53am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:03:49am
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:03:56am

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

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That gets upding for ‘subpoena coladas.’ The rest is gravy.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:04:42am

and that’s even if in eight years, he may have made 38 documented lies.
what are we at now? well over 12k?

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:08:44am

Trump Is Going to Burn Down Everything

quoted from the politicalwire.com excerpt in its entirety
(i could bold the whole thing)

Rick Wilson: “In private, Republicans are in the deepest despair of the Trump era. They’ve got that hang-dog, dick-in-the-dirt fatalism of men destined to die in a meaningless battle in a pointless war. They’ve abandoned all pretense of recapturing the House, their political fortunes in the states are crashing and burning, and the stock-market bubble they kept up as a shield against the downsides of Trump—‘but muh 401(k)!’—is popping.”

“You want to know why so few Republicans have held town-hall meetings since early 2017? Because Trump is the cancer they deny is consuming them from the inside out. They see the political grave markers of 42 of their GOP House colleagues—and several hundred down-ballot Republicans—booted from office since 2017 and know that outside of the deepest red enclaves, they’re salesmen for a brand no one is buying.”

“I have some bad news, Republicans. It never gets better. There is no daylight at the end of this tunnel. Trump is a suicide bomber, and you’ve strapped yourselves to him so tightly that when he explodes, you’re going out to meet the 72 porn stars of the Trumpian afterlife with him. (Spoiler alert: They all look like Ivanka.)”

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steve_davis  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:12:53am

re: #130 Belafon

Gotta love that quoting Trump is now the fault of the quote. But, I get it. You watching your party turn to shit in real time and it’s hard to handle.

In fairness, I was also mystified as to why Schiff felt like he needed to paraphrase Trump’s transcript. Just read the damned thing. Keep the tone serious. The paraphrase wasn’t meant to be funny, but it smelled a bit of typical congressional grandstanding. And Schiff is way too good at examination to have to resort to that sort of thing.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:14:12am

re: #161 DangerMan

They all look like Ivanka

That’s not necessarily an insult. Now, if they all were copies of Ivanka talking about how Trump is better than the Republican is, that would be some great hell.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:16:20am

re: #149 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

“Impeachmoot now!”

Much LOL.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:17:44am

re: #63 Targetpractice

The “voices of sanity” largely are falling into the “Nothing is getting done!” camp, which was pretty well addressed yesterday by Pelosi. The House is getting things done, it’s passing bills, but those bills are sitting in the Senate by order of Mitch McConnell. And this is not something that started last week, he’s been sitting on bills for months and has sworn that certain bills that we’re told impeachment is “imperiling” would never come to a vote. So yes, it’s a false dilemma, the idea that the price for legislation that was never going anywhere to begin with is letting Trump skate on his crimes until next November.

If you want to understand where voters get the idea that “both sides are the same,” look to those “voices of sanity.”

quoted for ‘that’s the Dems 2 pronged attack’

- we can do the people’s business and carry on an impeachment at the same time
- and also stating mcconnell is the clog

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:18:06am

Perfectly sane, no projection here at all:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:18:28am

“Green Acres Is The Place For Me…”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:18:48am

re: #166 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Perfectly sane, no projection here at all:

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In other words it’s either on the money or so close that he reflexively is disputing it.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:19:23am
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:19:51am

re: #66 Shropshire Slasher

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

no hearings yet
no testimony under oath or on television
no receipt of requested / subpoeaned documents

this is only the first week

which way did the polls move in that week?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:20:59am
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:22:50am

re: #162 steve_davis

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:24:34am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

The bar for cheapening an office has been moved significantly since Hair Furor lied by taking the oath.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:28:42am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

‘cheapened the whole process’

These jokes just write themselves sometimes.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:31:28am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

Delete your account.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:32:43am

re: #92 Shropshire Slasher

We were also waging a very unpopular war. At that time the broadcast media had much more power to shape the daily news narrative. Now? Trump has this thing called tweeting that sets the narrative.

nonsense.

From electoral-vote.com 190822

Only 22% of Americans are on Twitter at all. Also, 80% of the Twitter content is created by 10% of its users. In case you don’t have a calculator handy, this means that 2% of Americans create 80% of the content on Twitter. So Twitter is not representative of anything other than the 2% of the population that spends its whole day tweeting. Yet the media act like if something is trending on Twitter, then the whole country is talking about it and it is important. Nope and nope again. (V)

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:34:40am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The more money they line Trump’s pockets with, the less money for other conservative candidates.

I just got an E-mail from a friend in Switzerland (IRL friend) urging me to come to the convention in Germany in May. He points out that Europe can handle two cornpones from the Nebraska Panhandle.

My wife’s been thinking about this, and she is warming to the idea. We’ll likely be calling the travel agent in Oshkosh to make an appointment to plan a flight from Regina, Saskatchewan to Frankfurt now.

LGFers in Europe better hide, it looks like we’re coming soon.

dont take the scythe on the plane

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:35:02am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Trump openly commits crimes in front of a live audience, and you’re complaining about Schiff doing his job and protecting the rule of law.

You’re going on perma-mute.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:35:23am

It really says a lot (none of it good) when the only criticism that could be aimed at that hearing is Schiff “cheapened the whole process” by paraphrasing the transcript. Whatever damage was done by that was pretty well undone when he nailed Maguire to the wall for his decision to go the WH and DOJ about the complaint because he had made a personal decision that executive privilege applied even though that’s not how the law or legal precedent works.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:37:11am

re: #169 jaunte

And let’s count all the GOPers who are heading for the exits before 2020 (not counting all the GOPers who are indicted, or taking plea deals - like Hunter and Collins).

The numbers are growing nearly daily. At same time, Democrats who were on the fence about impeachment are boarding the train. Why? Because the reality is that upholding the rule of law is a good thing.

Rep. Max Rose, who represents Staten Island and a district that went hard for Trump in 2016, came out in favor of impeachment. Why? Because the facts demand it.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:37:34am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“Impeachmoot now!”

Much LOL.

As I said downstairs, I am calling the hearings now proceeding in the house the Impeachmoot. This expresses my support for them.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:37:43am

re: #178 lawhawk

From the tweet:

Asked what he wanted President Zelensky to do about the Bidens, “If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens.”

Donny, they already told you that if you want them to open an investigation, all you have to do is make a formal request for such. Why is this so hard?

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:38:21am

re: #125 jaunte

You have to wonder why anyone would be so invested in the hopeless cause of pretending this president* is a net positive for the country.

because at this stage, to abandon the president is to blame yourself for creating this mess.
the cognitive dissonance would be deafening

personal responsibility my ass

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:39:18am

re: #97 Shropshire Slasher

And you are assuming the hearings will be a net positive for the Democrats.

Yep, the more dirt that is exposed in public, the worse it’s going to get for him and his republican enablers.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:43:33am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

If this is the only thing there is to criticize in the whole hearing, I’d say they’re doing pretty well.

In the interest of not allowing ourselves to be distracted by Repug petty talking points, I suggest we now move on. Also, don’t feed the troll.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:43:56am

re: #140 Belafon

I believe the reasoning they’re attempting is this:
1. Whistleblower calls Schiff out of concern (why would a whistleblower call otherwise).
2. Schiff tells the whistleblower to say that Trump did X.
3. Whistleblower says Trump did X.
(Now watch where this goes off the rails)
4. Trump says he did X.
5. Trump releases transcript saying he did X.
(Now we have to fix this)
6. Trump denies he did X.
7. Trump says transcript he released doesn’t exist.

“Stake Your Claim” from “Another Monty Python Record”

Game Show Host (John Cleese): Good evening and welcome to ‘Stake Your Claim’. First this evening we have with us Mr Norman Voles of Gravesend who claims he wrote all Shakespeare’s works. Mr Voles, I understand you claim that you wrote all those plays normally attributed to Shakespeare?

Voles (Michael Palin): That is correct. I wrote all his plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

Host: Mr Voles, these plays are known to have been performed in the early 17th century. How old are you, Mr Voles?

Voles: 43.

Host: Well, how is it possible for you to have written plays performed over 300 years before you were born?

Voles: Ah well. This is where my claim falls to the ground.

Host: Ah!

Voles: There’s no possible way of answering that argument, I’m afraid. I was only hoping you would not make that particular point, but I can see you’re more than a match for me!

Host: Mr Voles, thank you very much for coming along.

Voles: My pleasure.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:45:19am

re: #177 DangerMan

dont take the scythe on the plane

He wants me to bring my hammered dulcimer.

I will have to ask the travel agent how that works.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:45:20am

re: #178 lawhawk

Trump openly commits crimes in front of a live audience, and you’re complaining about Schiff doing his job and protecting the rule of law.

You’re going on perma-mute.

[Embedded content]

Am I missing something or is he just flat out committing crimes off the cuff and openly now?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:49:44am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff’s parody of Trump’s phone calls to the Ukraine. That. Was. Dumb. Where is that whistleblower report anyway?

Schiff merely translated the phone call from Mafia Donese to English for those who didn’t understand the implications. It was a totally honest explanation of Mango Mussolini’s words.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:50:11am

re: #179 Targetpractice

It really says a lot (none of it good) when the only criticism that could be aimed at that hearing is Schiff “cheapened the whole process” by paraphrasing the transcript. Whatever damage was done by that was pretty well undone when he nailed Maguire to the wall for his decision to go the WH and DOJ about the complaint because he had made a personal decision that executive privilege applied even though that’s not how the law or legal precedent works.

like a judge says to every potential jury “what the lawyers say or how they say it is not evidence”
(or something like that - ianal)

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:50:40am

By the way, the whole “impeachment is a bad idea” bit would work better if the Dow wasn’t shitting the bed for the third day straight.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:51:05am

re: #172 Shropshire Slasher

Schiff cheapened the whole process. Amateur.

“We need something to grasp at!”
“How about Schiff?”
“What he said wasn’t all that ba——”
“I said: WHAT ABOUT SCHIFF?!”

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:51:15am

re: #130 Belafon

Gotta love that quoting Trump is now the fault of the quote. But, I get it. You watching your party turn to shit in real time and it’s hard to handle.

I see another DF event on the horizon.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:51:39am

re: #191 Targetpractice

By the way, the whole “impeachment is a bad idea” bit would work better if the Dow wasn’t shitting the bed for the third day straight.

Due in no small part to Trump’s idiotic trade war pushing manufacturing into recession. Farming is right behind them (all while Trump’s AG Secretary Perdue tells small farmers to go fuck themselves).

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:52:55am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹🎃

He wants me to bring my hammered dulcimer.

I will have to ask the travel agent how that works.

i took an autoharp on a plane a couple of years ago. domestic. as a carry on.
no - there’s no joke in there

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:53:10am

re: #191 Targetpractice

By the way, the whole “impeachment is a bad idea” bit would work better if the Dow wasn’t shitting the bed for the third day straight.

And it’s shitting the bed because Trumps idiotic Trade Wars are starting to rack up real economic damage with little end in sight.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:53:39am

re: #195 DangerMan

But did you play it on the plane?

/

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:54:21am

When every day starts with “Let’s see how much 401(k) is doi…HOLY SHIT!,” the argument that people don’t want the man gone starts to lose a bit of weight.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:54:32am

re: #175 The Pie Overlord!

Thank you.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:55:35am

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

But did you play it on the plane?

/

autoharp, so….

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:57:09am

re: #188 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Don’t stop Lawhawk, he’s on a roll.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:57:19am

re: #200 DangerMan

autoharp, so….

So it played you.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:58:20am

re: #188 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Am I missing something or is he just flat out committing crimes off the cuff and openly now?

One of the things I like about Balloon Juice is they built the pie filter into the website.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:58:23am

re: #201 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t stop Lawhawk, he’s on a roll.

1,000 apologies!

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 7:58:35am

re: #192 Belafon

You mean I can’t pick on the pasty white guy?!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:02:12am

re: #204 b.d. (Impeach them all)

1,000 apologies!

All Apologies

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:02:48am

re: #205 Shropshire Slasher

You mean I can’t pick on the pasty white guy?!

Passenger: THE TITANIC IS SINKING!
You: That violinist is a little flat.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:04:42am

re: #203 Belafon

One of the things I like about Balloon Juice is they built the pie filter into the website.

Wait, Balloon Juice has a pie filter? Why am I not on there?

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garzooma  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:07:26am

re: #162 steve_davis

In fairness, I was also mystified as to why Schiff felt like he needed to paraphrase Trump’s transcript. Just read the damned thing. Keep the tone serious. The paraphrase wasn’t meant to be funny, but it smelled a bit of typical congressional grandstanding. And Schiff is way too good at examination to have to resort to that sort of thing.

I originally updinged this, because I didn’t like the “parody” concept. But I just rechecked Schiff’s remarks (from Politifact):

“Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates: ‘We’ve been very good to your country. Very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what? I don’t see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you, though. And I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand? Lots of it. On this and on that. I’m going to put you in touch with people, not just any people. I’m going to put you in touch with the attorney general of the United States, my attorney general Bill Barr. He’s got the whole weight of the American law enforcement behind him. And I’m going to put you in touch with (presidential attorney) Rudy (Giuliani). You’re going to love him, trust me. You know what I’m asking and so I’m only going to say this a few more times, in a few more ways. And by the way, don’t call me again. I’ll call you when you’ve done what I asked.’

“This is, in sum and character, what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine. It would be funny if it wasn’t such a graphic betrayal of the President’s oath of office. But as it does represent a real betrayal, there’s nothing the president says here that is in America’s interest after all.”

Later in the hearing, when Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, pointed out that what Schiff said did not match the readout of the call, Schiff said his summary was “meant to be at least part in parody.”

He says, both before and after, that these aren’t the actual words. My only quibble at this point is the “parody” remark. He should have said “maybe the honorable gentleman from Ohio didn’t hear me when I said ‘Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words’ at the beginning and ‘in sum and character’ at the end.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:08:41am

re: #209 garzooma

It sounded like someone from SNL wrote it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:13:12am

re: #195 DangerMan

i took an autoharp on a plane a couple of years ago. domestic. as a carry on.
no - there’s no joke in there

A dulcimer is quite a bit bigger and heavier.

It won’t hurt to ask at any rate. Considering how much it cost, buying a seat for it might be cheaper than seeing it destroyed in baggage.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:15:09am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:16:51am

re: #212 b.d. (Impeach them all)

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He thinks it’s wrong for Congress to investigate him and even treason but it’s fine for a foreign power to investigate his opponents at his behest. He not only needs to be impeached. He needs to go on trial.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:18:29am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:18:31am

re: #200 DangerMan

autoharp, so….

It played itself.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:19:39am

re: #212 b.d. (Impeach them all)

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MAYBE IF I DO THIS STUFF IN THE OPEN THEY’LL LEAVE ME ALONE….WHAT COVER-UP!?!?!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:21:47am

My wife just left me.

(She walked to the Post Office to mail our bills then went to the beauty salon for a haircut.)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:24:13am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife just left me.

(She walked to the Post Office to mail our bills then went to the beauty salon for a haircut.)

It’s never the leaving that’s the issue. It’s always whether they will return.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:24:25am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife just left me.

(She walked to the Post Office to mail our bills then went to the beauty salon for a haircut.)

So you’re saying on probation?

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:25:31am

Donny just called on foreign powers to interfere in our elections on live TV.

Obviously this is only going to help him and the Repubs next November.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:26:07am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife just left me.

(She walked to the Post Office to mail our bills then went to the beauty salon for a haircut.)

Sounds fishy….what’s a Post Office?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:26:33am

re: #220 Targetpractice

Donny just called on foreign powers to interfere in our elections on live TV.

Obviously this is only going to help him and the Repubs next November.

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It will if Schiff makes fun of him for doing it. ///

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:28:08am
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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:29:31am

re: #220 Targetpractice

Donny just called on foreign powers to interfere in our elections on live TV.

And what’s worse, called on them do so by endorsing a pre-written conspiracy-theory scenario scripted by WH-supporting hacks and RW media nutjobs.

SO very Presidential….

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:31:20am

re: #210 Shropshire Slasher

It sounded like someone from SNL wrote it.

The official “transcript” reads like a SNL routine. It was similar to the time when a televised cabinet level meeting showed every senior official (except Mattis) demeaning themselves by lavishing over-the-top praise on the corrupt dictator wannabe that occupies the Oval office and is working assiduously to destroy our nation with the enthusiastic support of the Republican party.

What is so amazing is how all you Republicans are in love with Putin and don’t care about our traditional allies. It was unsettling to see Trump tell Zelenksy at the press conference to negotiate with Putin. Trump withholding aid from Ukraine unless they comply with his extortion demands is an outrage. But then Trump is Neville Chamberlain without the underlying loyalty to his nation.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:31:46am

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

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Do you think the people who work at the The Intercept are ever embarrassed by Glenn?

I think Russia is paying him. Full stop.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:33:08am

Wow, talk about rambling, though:

Trump: China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened in Ukraine. So I would say President Zelensky, if it was me, I would start an investigation into the Bidens.

Which country is Zelensky president of?

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retired cynic  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:36:23am

re: #81 MsJ

What I wouldn’t give to have Warren give trump a stern “Oh, grow up, you’re not five years old” in a debate…face to face.

I wouldn’t do that, without expecting to be assaulted.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:36:28am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹🎃

A dulcimer is quite a bit bigger and heavier.

It won’t hurt to ask at any rate. Considering how much it cost, buying a seat for it might be cheaper than seeing it destroyed in baggage.

hammered dulcimer, you said?
if it’s gonna be in a seat, maybe it should be sober before you board

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:37:42am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:37:55am

re: #218 Belafon

It’s never the leaving that’s the issue. It’s always whether they will return.

She just returned. The beauty shop is closed today.

Who knows what would have happened if she got that haircut: She might have been able to disappear entirely. /s

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:38:42am

This was the equivalent of Nixon standing on the White House lawn and announcing that he’d ordered the break-in.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:38:42am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

He thinks it’s wrong for Congress to investigate him and even treason but it’s fine for a foreign power to investigate his opponents at his behest. He not only needs to be impeached. He needs to go on trial.

doesnt know any of the rules (we need an outsider!*)
then when whatever it is blows up, and it’s explained to him, doesn’t care

* i wouldnt mind an educated, competent ‘outsider’

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retired cynic  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:43:33am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My wife made her decision.

We are going to Germany.

She also wants to combine that with a rail trip across France, Spain, and Portugal.

I guess I need to make an appointment with the travel agent.

That sounds wonderful. Can I go, too? Like a 200 pound cat?

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:43:38am

Bloomberg: “Cadre, a real estate technology startup co-founded and partly owned by White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, is discussing an investment of at least $100 million from a private fund that receives much of its capital from the governments of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.”

but, but, but……

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:45:30am

re: #234 retired cynic

That sounds wonderful. Can I go, too? Like a 200 pound cat?

Our Smart car only has two seats.

Unless you want to ride seven hundred miles one-way to Regina in the back on top of the engine.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:45:51am
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:46:34am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Wouldn’t it be more prudent to leave you in Germany? Can you swim?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:47:34am

re: #237 Targetpractice

Now that might be my favourite tweet of the day so far.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:47:55am

re: #232 Targetpractice

But then he couldn’t be impeached because of the cover up!

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:48:10am

re: #237 Targetpractice

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:49:09am

SS must be Michael Tracey to continue posting these GOP talking points!

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:50:21am

re: #240 Shropshire Slasher

But then he couldn’t be impeached because of the cover up!

Trump obstructed justice and covered up the prior behavior, violated federal laws, etc. re: Ukraine. Because he now is engaging in entirely new crimes (re: China) in the open doesn’t change the prior criminal act. That’s not how any of this works.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:50:39am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

Now that might be my favourite tweet of the day so far.

‘helen mirren is jealous’

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:52:03am

re: #243 lawhawk

Nixon is dead.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:52:26am

re: #175 The Pie Overlord!

Delete your account.

Delete your LIFE. He definitely took a wrong turn somewhere in his pathetic life.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:54:08am

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:54:43am

In related news, dog thinks its wrong that he’s not being consulted on his impending neutering:

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:54:44am

Wait a sec. Schiff goes a little bit on point allegorical, and catches more shit for it than the parade of lies out of the White House? NOT LISTENING to this.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:54:54am

re: #245 Shropshire Slasher

And Trump keeps breaking federal laws.

You’re down with that. Gotcha.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:55:41am
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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:57:20am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹🎃

A dulcimer is quite a bit bigger and heavier.

It won’t hurt to ask at any rate. Considering how much it cost, buying a seat for it might be cheaper than seeing it destroyed in baggage.

The only way to take a largish, valuable instrument to Europe is in a carbon fiber case. Light, but very strong. Colorado Cases is your first choice. Send the detes on your dulcimer and they will build it. It comes with a tough, zippered canvas case. Expensive, but a lot cheaper than a newdulcimer.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 8:57:46am

re: #238 Shropshire Slasher

Wouldn’t it be more prudent to leave you in Germany? Can you swim?

It would be cheaper. A one-way ticket anyway.

I’m not sure what I’d do with my house here though.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:01:05am

re: #248 Targetpractice

In related news, dog thinks its wrong that he’s not being consulted on his impending neutering:

From the Raw Story tweet:

GOP minority leader calls for delay on Trump impeachment until Pelosi agrees to give White House more control over process

That is not how any of this works. They aren’t even grasping for straws; those are already gone and they’re grasping for grass blades now.

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garzooma  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:02:49am

re: #210 Shropshire Slasher

It sounded like someone from SNL wrote it.

It sounded like rhetoric. If you don’t like it, take it up with Aristotle.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:03:13am

re: #248 Targetpractice

In related news, dog thinks its wrong that he’s not being consulted on his impending neutering:

Bank robber wants control of the criminal investigation.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:04:03am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Admitted bank robber.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:04:09am

re: #255 garzooma

He’s dead too.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:04:28am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From the Raw Story tweet:

GOP minority leader calls for delay on Trump impeachment until Pelosi agrees to give White House more control over process

That is not how any of this works. They aren’t even grasping for straws; those are already gone and they’re grasping for grass blades now.

Two words: Merrick Garland
Two More words and it’s not “happy birthday”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:04:31am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From the Raw Story tweet:

GOP minority leader calls for delay on Trump impeachment until Pelosi agrees to give White House more control over process

That is not how any of this works. They aren’t even grasping for straws; those are already gone and they’re grasping for grass blades now.

I should have quoted their deman…er, their “requests”:

McCarthy asked the Democratic majority to put each subpoena request before a full committee vote, give ranking committee chairs subpoena power, and allow the president’s counsel to take part in all depositions, cross-examine and recommend witnesses, and present or object to evidence.

Translation: “We want the power to turn this inquiry into a three-ring circus!”

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:05:55am

Even Saddam Hussein never had polls this good.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:07:36am

re: #261 b.d. (Impeach them all)

Even Saddam Hussein never had polls this good.

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Lol. He’s really really getting even more pathetic.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:07:37am

re: #260 Targetpractice

I should have quoted their deman…er, their “requests”:

Translation: “We want the power to turn this inquiry into a three-ring circus!”

They get to do everything they requested in a Senate trial, if impeachment charges are referred.

The defence doesn’t get to cross-examine witnesses or call experts if a prosecutor hasn’t brought a case. If they want to argue this should run like a trial rather than an impeachment, that’s how it works.

They really want to go down with the Trumptanic, don’t they? The smart cowards already left Congress.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:09:25am

re: #248 Targetpractice

you’re in the minority. that’s not how any of this works.

try the opposite: mitch, please bring every bill you get from the house up for a vote

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:10:00am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They get to do everything they requested in a Senate trial, if impeachment charges are referred.

The defence doesn’t get to cross-examine witnesses or call experts if a prosecutor hasn’t brought a case. If they want to argue this should run like a trial rather than an impeachment, that’s how it works.

They really want to go down with the Trumptanic, don’t they? The smart cowards already left Congress.

The whole purpose of these requests seems pretty clear: The Repubs are losing the messaging war and need to find some way to drag it back to being about Biden. So they want to subpoena “witnesses” and introduce “evidence” that has nothing to do with the crimes being investigated and everything to do with presenting the impeachment as a “cover-up.”

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:10:29am

re: #249 Rightwingconspirator

Wait a sec. Schiff goes a little bit on point allegorical, and catches more shit for it than the parade of lies out of the White House? NOT LISTENING to this.

add to that, he says it’s ‘allegorical’ both before and after

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:11:37am

re: #266 DangerMan

add to that, he says it’s ‘allegorical’ both before and after

If he was a real man, he would have just said it without qualifications, declared it the truth, and then bullied his way into making it the truth. That’s the GOP way after all.

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:11:48am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Lol. He’s really really getting even more pathetic.

The intended audience for that tweet are Senate and House Republicans that may be wavering. “The base still loves me, turn on me and your done.”

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:12:11am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹🎃

From the Raw Story tweet:

GOP minority leader calls for delay on Trump impeachment until Pelosi agrees to give White House more control over process

That is not how any of this works. They aren’t even grasping for straws; those are already gone and they’re grasping for grass blades now.

And they’ll be down to clawing at the dirt before you know it…

IIJM, or does it seem to anyone else that the House Republicans have basically given up by ceding their Leadership to the gang of buffoons exemplified by Kevin McCarthy, Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, et. al.? I mean, they’re not in a really good position as the Minority and all, but one would think they’d want to at least look like they’re doing their jobs responsibly.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:12:26am

Saboteur detected! Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!

Doctor Who slammed as ‘sci-fi garbage’ by former BBC boss who says Star Wars is better

Ex-BBC One controller Michael Grade has opened up about his decision to postpone Doctor Who in 1985, and slammed the show as ‘science fiction garbage’. Grade first took the job in 1984, and less than a year later he had binned one of the channel’s most iconic shows and spent its budget elsewhere.

Speaking to the Evening Standard, the former boss stood by his decision to axe the long-running Saturday night staple. Former BBC One controller Michael Grade slammed Doctor Who, which he axed in 1985 (Picture: Getty) ‘I hated Doctor Who,’ he said. ‘I said to the producer, “Have you ever seen Star Wars or ET?” He said yes. I said “well I’ve got news for you, so have our audience.” What we were serving up as science fiction was garbage.’

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:12:41am

Trumps base may be lined up behind him but they’re an increasingly a bigger minority than they were. The country is at a different place on impeachment than it was on the first day of Summer let alone Labor Day. Trump is hanging himself with his own rope.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:13:14am

re: #268 danarchy

The intended audience for that tweet are Senate and House Republicans that may be wavering. “The base still loves me, turn on me and your done.”

Yeah but come on, that’s the crazy of crazy.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:13:21am

Our normal brexit in the know people are asleep.

Not sure if posted.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:13:41am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:14:26am

If Obama were RTing Kos or HuffPost unscientific polls, he’d rightfully get laughed at. RTing Breitbart sucking him off is nucking guts.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:14:31am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:15:21am

re: #276 Scottish Dragon

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I hate that Joe Walsh makes sense.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:16:33am

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Saboteur detected! Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!

Doctor Who slammed as ‘sci-fi garbage’ by former BBC boss who says Star Wars is better

I’ve seen a lot of agreement that Star Trek killed off the original Doctor Who for that reason. It was hard to justify the stage acting production quality of the shows when Star Trek was doing its special effects every episode.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:16:49am

re: #276 Scottish Dragon

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Are we sure that Joe Walsh’s mirror universe double didn’t just kill him and take his place?

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:18:25am

WTFITS

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:19:01am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

I hate that Joe Walsh makes sense.

He is an equal opportunity offender.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:19:02am

I had lunch with a Trumpster friend yesterday; we don’t discuss Trump but we did have a discussion about corruption (the Chris Collins case) and he did make the fair point that both sides do engage in these financial irregularities. But it is clear that every member of the contemporary GOP and their supporters are loyal only to their party and their dear leader, not to this nation or the best of its heritage. They like the idea of foreign interference in the election if it guarantees their victories.

I am 100% confident that every Trumpster* would have supported Hitler until he started losing the war (*If Hitler’s target were a different group — such as Muslims — so would Jewish Trumpsters). Their enthusiasm for his treatment of immigrants, his racism, his affinity for dictators, and his vitriol toward anyone who fails to worship him demonstrates daily their lack of commitment to democracy and their desire to be ruled by a “strong man”.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:19:24am

re: #268 danarchy

The intended audience for that tweet are Senate and House Republicans that may be wavering. “The base still loves me, turn on me and your done.”

That may be the message, but I really doubt whether “Senate and House Republicans” are going to credit a 62-1 joke poll from Breitbart as being a particularly authoritative endorsement of said view.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:19:36am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Every weekend is a four day weekend now.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:20:49am

re: #284 Scottish Dragon

Every weekend is a four day weekend now.

Every hour is a Friday news dump.

I’m off to bed; it’s way past my bedtime.

G’day, y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:21:16am

re: #283 Jay C

That may be the message, but I really doubt whether “Senate and House Republicans” are going to credit a 62-1 joke poll from Breitbart as being a particularly authoritative endorsement of said view.

Exactly. I’m sorry but this is just absurdity on display. Yes we know a majority of Republican base voters support him but this is delusion and that’s charitable.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:21:21am
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:21:39am

re: #284 Scottish Dragon

Every weekend is a four day weekend now.

What’s with the “Two Steps From Hell” background music? That’s really over the top for a golf vacation.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:23:02am

re: #288 The Pie Overlord!

What’s with the “Two Steps From Hell” background music? That’s really over the top for a golf vacation.

Needs to feel cinematic I guess.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:23:55am

re: #282 Hecuba’s daughter

I had lunch with a Trumpster friend yesterday; we don’t discuss Trump but we did have a discussion about corruption (the Chris Collins case) and he did make the fair point that both sides do engage in these financial irregularities. But it is clear that every member of the contemporary GOP and their supporters are loyal only to their party and their dear leader, not to this nation or the best of its heritage. They like the idea of foreign interference in the election if it guarantees their victories.

I am 100% confident that every Trumpster* would have supported Hitler until he started losing the war (*If Hitler’s target were a different group — such as Muslims — so would Jewish Trumpsters). Their enthusiasm for his treatment of immigrants, his racism, his affinity for dictators, and his vitriol toward anyone who fails to worship him demonstrates daily their lack of commitment to democracy and their desire to be ruled by a “strong man”.

…as long as its their strong man

on a side note, i put chris collins in a different category than Duncan hunter or even trump

hunter and trump committed political crimes, they are politically corrupt.

if i understand it, collins committed run of the mill insider trading, unrelated to his office.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:26:03am

re: #287 lawhawk

he’s trying to normalize the criminality*

* i assume that’s what hes trying to do
if that’s not his plan and he’s just winging it, then he’s just nuts

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:26:52am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:27:04am

re: #290 DangerMan

…as long as its their strong man

on a side note, i put chris collins in a different category than Duncan hunter or even trump

hunter and trump committed political crimes, they are politically corrupt.

if i understand it, collins committed run of the mill insider trading, unrelated to his office.

Trump has committed financial crimes his entire life and got away with them. He is continuing and expanding this practice since he took office

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:27:25am

re: #291 DangerMan

he’s trying to normalize the criminality*

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* i assume that’s what hes trying to do
if that’s not his plan and he’s just winging it, then he’s just nuts

He is forcing it in our faces. He wants to be caught, and have us realize that we are catching him breaking laws and we can’t make him stop.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:30:18am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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He’s off to The Villages to sign some kind of Medicare executive order.
Sucking up to the old white farts with some meaningless bulkshit

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:30:59am

re: #290 DangerMan

…as long as its their strong man

on a side note, i put chris collins in a different category than Duncan hunter or even trump

hunter and trump committed political crimes, they are politically corrupt.

if i understand it, collins committed run of the mill insider trading, unrelated to his office.

And remember Collins was the first House member to support Trump. Birds of a feather ..

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A Mom Anon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:31:25am

re: #294 Scottish Dragon

I kind of view it as Go Ahead and Stop Me, I Dare You really. And no one has, so it continues. If we as a nation do not make some new damned laws to prevent this shit again we deserve to become a mess.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:32:25am

lol, for the love of God.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:33:16am

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has committed financial crimes his entire life and got away with them. He is continuing and expanding this practice since he took office

oh i dont disagree with that at all

since last week with the ukraine call and yesterday and today, i’ve just about walled off everything pre- presidency for a while. i’ve also walled off emoluments, mueller / obstruction, and 10000 other things. as he continues to re-light himself on fire, this is enough to maybe get him out. more than enough to delegitimize the entire administration and the R party.

his previous life will catch up with him as soon as he’s out

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:33:30am

re: #292 gocart mozart

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:33:39am

re: #298 b.d. (Impeach them all)

lol, for the love of God.

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follow up:

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:34:06am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s off to The Villages to sign some kind of Medicare executive order.
Sucking up to the old white farts with some meaningless bulkshit

All while his actual budget proposal calls for still more Medicare cuts. He’s lying his ass off to everyone as always.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:36:12am

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

That’s funny because I fell unapologetically in love with Dr. Who in 1985. Tom Baker will always be my favorite. Molded me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:38:30am

re: #297 A Mom Anon

I kind of view it as Go Ahead and Stop Me, I Dare You really. And no one has, so it continues. If we as a nation do not make some new damned laws to prevent this shit again we deserve to become a mess.

Unfortunately, as long as Republicans remain in charge of the WH and the Senate, we have no way to pass meaningful legislation. And one of the fatal flaws in our Constitution contributes to the possible demise of our nation: The way the Senate is established with the possibility of 52 senators of one party representing less than 20% of the population (and theoretically only 10% of the voters) may doom us.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:39:41am

re: #302 lawhawk

All while his actual budget proposal calls for still more Medicare cuts. He’s lying his ass off to everyone as always.

@ChrisMegerian
The president’s schedule for Thursday includes this event — “THE PRESIDENT delivers remarks and signs an Executive Order Protecting Medicare from Socialist Destruction in The Villages, FL”[Embedded content]

well to be fair, the president isnt a socialist.
he’s gutting SS and medicare by $1T as a non-socialist

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:40:32am

re: #303 Shropshire Slasher

That’s funny because I fell unapologetically in love with Dr. Who in 1985. Tom Baker will always be my favorite. Molded me.

Tom Baker left in 1981 — the following doctors of the original series did not have the same level of charisma as Baker.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:43:01am

heard on TV: ‘right now we’ll double your order, just pay a separate fee’

advertising works - thats why they keep doing it
these people believe this stuff
and they make voting decisions because “right now, you can buy two. just pay for two!”

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:44:06am

re: #297 A Mom Anon

I kind of view it as Go Ahead and Stop Me, I Dare You really. And no one has, so it continues. If we as a nation do not make some new damned laws to prevent this shit again we deserve to become a mess.

The one law Democrats could pass that would have an impact on the White House no matter who’s in charge afterwards would be to make it explicit that a sitting president can be indicted.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:47:55am

re: #66 Shropshire Slasher

But what he is polling at is far to high to try to impeach him.

You couldn’t be more ahistorical and wrong:

But that was just the beginning of the toll the scandal would take on the president that year. The televised Watergate hearings that began in May 1973, chaired by Sen. Samuel Ervin, commanded a large national audience - 71% told Gallup they watched the hearings live. And as many as 21% reported watching 10 hours or more of the Ervin proceedings. Not too surprisingly, Nixon’s popularity took a severe hit. His ratings fell as low as 31%, in Gallup’s early August survey.

The public had changed its view of the scandal. A 53% majority came to the view that Watergate was a serious matter, not just politics, up from 31% who believed that before the hearings. Indeed, an overwhelming percentage of the public (71%) had come to see Nixon as culpable in the wrongdoing, at least to some extent. About four-in-ten (37%) thought he found out about the bugging and tried to cover it up; 29% went further in saying that he knew about the bugging beforehand, but did not plan it; and 8% went all the way, saying he planned it from beginning to end. Only 15% of Americans thought that the president had no prior knowledge and spoke up as soon as he learned of it.

Yet, despite the increasingly negative views of Nixon at that time, most Americans continued to reject the notion that Nixon should leave office, according to Gallup. Just 26% thought he should be impeached and forced to resign, while 61% did not.

A lot of key scandal events were to follow that year and into 1974, but public opinion about Watergate was slow to change further, despite the high drama of what was taking place. For example, October 1973 was a crucial month as the courts ruled that the president had to turn over his taped conversations to special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and subsequently Nixon ordered for the dismissal of Cox in what came to be known as the Saturday Night Massacre. The public reacted, but in a measured way. In November, Gallup showed the percentage of Americans thinking that the president should leave office jumping from 19% in June to 38%, but still, 51% did not support impeachment and an end to Nixon’s presidency.

Last time you showed up you asserted that surviving impeachment is what gave Clinton a second term, even though he wasn’t impeached until his second term. You’re just always fucking wrong.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:50:36am

re: #294 Scottish Dragon

He is forcing it in our faces. He wants to be caught, and have us realize that we are catching him breaking laws and we can’t make him stop.

Please stop casting this in terms of strategy, there is none. He’s a blind, cornered, wounded animal just lashing out, incapable of admitting error or retreating from a position once he’s taken it. All he knows is how to double down on attacking what he fears.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:51:25am

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

It’s Slasher. He’s just trying to provoke us.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:52:32am

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Yes, my memory was completely wrong. I had to go back and read some of the dates that what happened when. I had it confused with the fact that a major news publisher sat on the Lewinsky affair until after the election. It’s where Drudge became a household name.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:53:14am

This made me chuckle:

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:53:24am

re: #310 goddamnedfrank

Please stop casting this in terms of strategy, there is none. He’s a blind, cornered, wounded animal just lashing out, incapable of admitting error or retreating from a position once he’s taken it. All he knows is how to double down on attacking what he fears.

No, I do think it is a strategy of a sort. He has always been a sadist and he likes shoving this sort of thing into other people’s faces…like his affairs being on NY tabloids etc. Also, it is a hallmark of authoritarianism to flaunt power over the impotence of the people and remind them of their place.

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gwangung  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:53:45am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s Slasher. He’s just trying to provoke us.

Boring, as well.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:54:39am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:56:30am

I love it when people are flat out fucking wrong and then try to save a little face by trying to tell you some barely even trivia that you goddamn lived through.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:57:08am

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

There their they’re

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:57:35am

re: #310 goddamnedfrank

Please stop casting this in terms of strategy, there is none. He’s a blind, cornered, wounded animal just lashing out, incapable of admitting error or retreating from a position once he’s taken it. All he knows is how to double down on attacking what he fears.

He has learned throughout his life that blustering, lying, and proclaiming he is infallible is a winning strategy. Why switch when this has always worked in the past? His supporters are zombies incapable of independent thought. He is appealing to them and not the rest of us. And the entire GOP delegation in Washington either is directly owned by Putin or zombified — not a single member with courage or decency. The only one to stand up for truth (well — at least one time) had to leave the party. There is no room for dissent.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:57:39am

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

You couldn’t be more ahistorical and wrong:

Last time you showed up you asserted that surviving impeachment is what gave Clinton a second term, even though he wasn’t impeached until his second term. You’re just always fucking wrong.

Actually, I think SS MAY have about half a point. Yes, Trump’s polling is (relatively) high for a President facing impeachment hearings. For now. However:

1. Polling for “impeachment” and “removal” (an important distinction) averages about 47% in favor. Not a good starting place, if you’re the target.
2. Serious hearings in the House haven’t even started yet.
3. So far, the President’s and his cronies’ defenses/rebuttals against the corruption charges have been mainly hysterical insults, inarticulate blathering and conspiracy-theory babblement. And that approach doesn’t seem likely to change.

So all in all, not a rosy prospect for Mango Mussolini - though of course, the final determination of his fate will rest on political, not legal grounds. As it always has.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:57:41am

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

I love it when people are flat out fucking wrong and then try to save a little face by trying to tell you some barely even trivia that you goddamned lived through.

Misdirection play…. refuge of the lost souls, scoundrels, and Trump’s go-to move when cornered.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:57:49am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

The problem isn’t that you disagree with most of us. The problem is that you’re a goddamned fucking idiot about it.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:58:22am

re: #313 Flying Squirrel Girl

This made me chuckle:

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They even had a drone!

People are hilarious.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 9:58:53am

Mets fire manager Mickey Callaway after 2 seasons. That was the slow-moving train wreck we all expected would have occurred at the All Star Break.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:01:05am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:01:20am

If your point of view just magically seems to go hand in glove with you constantly getting basic facts wrong, maybe reexamine the fucking point of view.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:02:15am

re: #310 goddamnedfrank

Please stop casting this in terms of strategy, there is none. He’s a blind, cornered, wounded animal just lashing out, incapable of admitting error or retreating from a position once he’s taken it. All he knows is how to double down on attacking what he fears.

YouTube

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:02:39am

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

If you need to insult other people to feel better about yourself, I understand. I have broad shoulders, I can take it.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:03:00am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

OK. So?

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:03:57am

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

Don’t sit in a bubble.

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:06:18am

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

The problem isn’t that you disagree with most of us. The problem is that you’re a goddamned fucking idiot about it.

Got a LOL IRL outta me on that one.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:06:22am

re: #314 Scottish Dragon

No, I do think it is a strategy of a sort. He has always been a sadist and he likes shoving this sort of thing into other people’s faces…like his affairs being on NY tabloids etc. Also, it is a hallmark of authoritarianism to flaunt power over the impotence of the people and remind them of their place.

Trump’s Every Move Is Brilliant and Calculated

Alexandra Petri: “For the last time, this is all part of the plan. Getting himself impeached is actually a strategic triumph for President Trump, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just not playing chess in enough dimensions. Consider what is the greater mark of strategic genius: to mire yourself and your administration in an endless series of idiotic and pointless controversies, often rife with misspellings, damaging your standing at home and abroad, or to NOT do that? If you say the second, you are a fool. This is all part of the plan. Actually, this is good. Actually, this is great.”

“I repeat, every move that Trump makes, has made or is making, currently, with the president of Finland sitting helplessly by his side, wearing an expression of alarm, is planned. It is a genius plan. It might look like the random, haphazard flailing of a cat that has gotten its head stuck in a bucket. But actually he is in total control.”

(yes, it’s satire)

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:06:53am

re: #330 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t sit in a bubble.

Oh fer gawds sake drop the martyrdom schtick, my dude. Disagreement is all over here at LGF, but we do expect your POV to be buttressed in a reasonable way and documented if you are making a fact claim.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:07:29am

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:08:44am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

You know what I like to do when I encounter a website where I disagree with most of the people on it?

Stop visiting it.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:08:44am

re: #332 DangerMan

Trump’s Every Move Is Brilliant and Calculated

(yes, it’s satire)

Petridishes is always funny.

Yes, I think it is his strategy because doubling down is ALWAYS his strategy and it has (nearly) always worked before. Just that this time, he is admitting to actual crimes on TV in real time.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:09:31am

re: #333 Scottish Dragon

Oh fer gawds sake drop the martyrdom schtick, my dude. Disagreement is all over here at LGF, but we do expect your POV to be buttressed in a reasonable way and documented if you are making a fact claim.

And fuck the NYPost & the Daily Mail.

Geeze.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:09:51am

re: #335 Mattand

I don’t care to dissuade visitors who are not being trolls. I do want better arguments from them, though.

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:12:33am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

So has Bill Kristol, and you’re making him look like fucking Thomas Jefferson right now.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:12:48am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

disagreement is fine

- be reasonably accurate
- support your positions
- clearly indicate opinion
- don’t throw one-liner, irrelevant bombs and expect any kind of praise

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:13:03am

re: #330 Shropshire Slasher

We have plenty of needles to poke at your bubble…

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:14:10am

Interesting point.

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:14:48am

re: #338 Scottish Dragon

I don’t care to dissuade visitors who are not being trolls. I do want better arguments from them, though.

Get what you’re saying, but I kinda question SS’s sincerity.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:15:40am

Life comes at you fast:

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:17:40am

re: #341 Joe Bacon 🌹

We have plenty of needles to poke at your bubble…

A whole Hapsburg tertio of needles!

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:18:08am

re: #342 Scottish Dragon

One of the useful bits of our system when it comes to fighting against corruption is that it’s typically pretty diffuse in nature, especially the DOJ. US Attorneys, especially on the criminal side, tend to work fairly independent of the main DOJ in part because most crimes tend to be local. But the same thing is true for most agencies, the WH and Cabinet heads might hand down policy but it’s typically left to the career types to actually carry out that policy. That’s why you rarely see claims of widespread corruption - if there’s a problem, it’s usually isolated.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:18:20am

re: #344 Targetpractice

Life comes at you fast:

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Gym Jordan in a verbal half Nelson….

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:18:36am

re: #338 Scottish Dragon

I don’t care to dissuade visitors who are not being trolls. I do want better arguments from them, though.

more m. python:

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr. Vibrating: No you didn’t; no, you came here for an argument.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:19:23am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

I’ve been following politics my entire adult life, and I disagree with most of you here.

Doesn’t make you special, but thanks.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:20:01am

re: #335 Mattand

Then how do I learn if I don’t hear both sides of the story?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:20:08am

re: #348 DangerMan

more m. python:

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr. Vibrating: No you didn’t; no, you came here for an argument.

You didn’t come here to be insulted?

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:20:11am

re: #344 Targetpractice

GOP 2020 Platform:

He said what? Oh fuck this, I’m retiring.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:21:18am

re: #351 Scottish Dragon

You didn’t come here to be insulted?

Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:21:46am

re: #350 Shropshire Slasher

Then how do I learn if I don’t hear both sides of the story?

Bothsides fallacy. Sometimes there are two sides, and sometimes not.

How you weight your evidence is up to you. I’m not sure what you are getting at here, though.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:22:12am

re: #350 Shropshire Slasher

Then how do I learn if I don’t hear both sides of the story?

Hearing both sides of the story is only useful if both sides are generally honest. Hearing both sides is meaningless if one side is objectively bullshitting their way through everything.

You don’t need to hear from the kids that tracked mud in the house telling you it was the dog when the dog doesn’t wear shoes the same size as the kids.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:22:45am

most stories don’t have two (both) sides

crackpot
done

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:23:15am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:23:27am

re: #353 DangerMan

Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.

YOU MORON! It’s room A12! Room 12A is where we get the Soros backed bitcoin payments!

//

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:24:07am

re: #355 KGxvi

Hearing both sides of the story is only useful if both sides are generally honest. Hearing both sides is meaningless if one side is objectively bullshitting their way through everything.

You don’t need to hear from the kids that tracked mud in the house telling you it was the dog when the dog doesn’t wear shoes the same size as the kids.

um, erm, whassup in your house?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:24:50am

moron

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:25:04am

re: #336 Scottish Dragon

Petridishes is always funny.

Yes, I think it is his strategy because doubling down is ALWAYS his strategy and it has (nearly) always worked before. Just that this time, he is admitting to actual crimes on TV in real time.

And that’s why he’s asking for outside help, because not enough people here will just defer to him. And people do need to realize how far he is willing to go if he’s unchecked. He will sacrifice your sons and daughters if he has to.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:25:10am

re: #358 KGxvi

YOU MORON! It’s room A12! Room 12A is where we get the Soros backed bitcoin payments!

//

Ah.
i think we might have drifted off the script…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:25:30am

re: #359 DangerMan

um, erm, whassup in your house?

When it gets very hot, you might need shoes for your dog so they don’t burn their foot pads.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:25:54am

re: #362 DangerMan

Ah.
i think we might have drifted off the script…

We typically do.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:26:46am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s got 95% support among 35% of the population… definitely want to brag about that.

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:28:30am

re: #350 Shropshire Slasher

Then how do I learn if I don’t hear both sides of the story?

Please. Your mind was made up before you started posting. Stop with the JAQing off.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:28:37am

re: #364 KGxvi

We typically do.

I’m not dead yet…

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:30:43am

re: #367 Scottish Dragon

I’m not dead yet…

Tis but a scratch

ps - googling “python argument” took me to a whole ‘nother place ;-)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:31:54am

re: #368 DangerMan

Tis but a scratch

ps - googling “python argument” took me to a whole ‘nother place ;-)

LOL. Let me guess: Either muscleheads trying to see whose arms are biggest or a technobabble filled hellhole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:33:10am

re: #350 Shropshire Slasher

Helpful hint!

19th Century Fox ain’t telling the truth about anything!

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:33:16am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL. Let me guess: Either muscleheads trying to see whose arms are biggest or a technobabble filled hellhole.

Probably something about how to check for types of parameters.

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:33:20am

re: #368 DangerMan

Tis but a scratch

ps - googling “python argument” took me to a whole ‘nother place ;-)

It’s spelled “python argument”, but it’s pronounced “Throat Warbler Mangrove”.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:33:52am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

[Embedded content]

He’s tweeting this while his party is scrambling around, trying to figure out how the fuck they dig themselves out of the deeper hole he’s dumped them into.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:35:08am

re: #372 Mattand

It’s spelled “python argument”, but it’s pronounced “Throat Warbler Mangrove”.

Next to the Ministry of Silly Walks.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:35:09am

re: #330 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t sit in a bubble.

I’m curious. When you are MAGAing, what are the times in our history that we were great? And did you want us to return to that time period?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:35:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:36:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:39:31am

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:40:15am
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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:40:35am

re: #372 Mattand

European or African?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:41:14am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

Adam Klasfeld

@KlasfeldReports
BREAKING: Manhattan D.A. Vance comes out swinging against @TheJusticeDept for having “elected to insert itself” in this litigation, calling the bid “audacious” in a 3-page letter. cc: @CourthouseNews

Doc: documentcloud.org

Recall that the Hitler judiciary and legal system did everything by the book because they corrupted the entire system. Barr and the GOP are working on that now. Not a single member of the GOP in the administration or in Congress has shown themselves to be honest.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:42:59am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:43:52am

I’m still optimistic we’ll see those fucking tax returns someday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:43:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:45:05am
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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:47:51am

Payback is a bitch [HQ]

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Tgrad98  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:49:09am

Poor little crooked donnie. Getting triggered every day on twitter will just provide further proof to future generations that his whole house of cards collapsed much quicker than anyone expected. Let us hold a minute of silence to mourn his administration. NOT!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:52:44am

re: #386 Targetpractice

Sucks, when the tables get turned on you doesn’t it, Kevin?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:53:59am

re: #386 Targetpractice

I’m waiting for McCarthy to say “Just because we did it doesn’t make it right.”

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:54:00am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Sucks, when the tables get turned on you doesn’t it, Kevin?

Comity exists for a reason in politics. But the GOP has gone for zero sum winner take all bulkshit, and trampling over the rule of law in the process. They don’t get to change the rules to give them power that they themselves stripped from Democrats when the roles were reversed. They’re hypocrites all the way down.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:55:04am

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL. Let me guess: Either muscleheads trying to see whose arms are biggest or a technobabble filled hellhole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:57:03am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:57:16am

re: #386 Targetpractice

From the article:

Republicans changed the rule to give several committee chairs the unilateral authority to issue subpoenas without minority input or consent.

McCarthy, who was House majority leader at the time, encouraged his fellow Republicans to use this rule change to ram through subpoenas to the Obama White House without interference from Democrats.

That’s the sort of shit you do when you believe in your permanent majority bullshit (which I remember Hugh Hewitt first spouting back when I was in law school a decade and a half ago now). This is just one of those reminders that you don’t weaken the minority because one day, usually sooner than you think, you’re going to be in the minority.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:57:25am
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:59:05am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Sucks, when the tables get turned on you doesn’t it, Kevin?

we never thought we’d be in the minority….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 10:59:53am
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:00:53am

re: #393 KGxvi

From the article:

That’s the sort of shit you do when you believe in your permanent majority bullshit (which I remember Hugh Hewitt first spouting back when I was in law school a decade and a half ago now). This is just one of those reminders that you don’t weaken the minority because one day, usually sooner than you think, you’re going to be in the minority.

that’s why mcconnell wrote that asinine filibuster op-ed back in august…just in case

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:01:07am

re: #390 lawhawk

Comity exists for a reason in politics. But the GOP has gone for zero sum winner take all bulkshit, and trampling over the rule of law in the process. They don’t get to change the rules to give them power that they themselves stripped from Democrats when the roles were reversed. They’re hypocrites all the way down.

I started listening to Limbaugh shortly after 9/11, listened fairly consistently for about 5 years or so. One of the things I remember him always bitching about is how “compromise means the liberals get whatever they want and we go along with it” and then saying that since the GOP had the majority “compromise” should work the other way. I think that was the start of the zero sum game they play today. And zero sum makes sense if your answer to everything is “no” or “fuck you, I got mine.”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:02:11am
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:02:31am

re: #394 lawhawk

then “the american people” should be asking the FBI…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:02:51am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:03:38am

re: #400 DangerMan

“The American people have a right to know if the vice president of the United States, or his family, profited from his position.”

Given who you work for, Mike… that seems like a less than ideal defense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:06:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:07:28am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:08:41am

I’m beginning to think we need to find ways to decouple the offices of the president and vice-president.

For one, I’m not sure it makes sense to consider the VP part of the executive branch, since most of the office’s constitutional duties are actually legislative in nature.

Part of me feels like it would be better to actually vote for the offices separately (how that would effect the actual electoral vote is another question, but most states bind their electors to the popular will anyway).

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:08:56am

From the Daily Beast today:

More conspiracy theories will take hold as Trump fights for his political life. “Whether or not the narrative is true almost doesn’t matter anymore,” says Stan. “The right wing will flood the zone and the base will swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And the political reporters will feel compelled to write about it. It’s just about getting the narrative out there.”

And getting the voters to throw up their hands in disgust. That’s the response Trump wants. That’s how he wins.

The screaming will increase in duration and intensity as the base feels cornered, and their grand dreams are stripped away from them by merciless reality.

Will they tool up & start shooting those they blame for this? Almost assuredly.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:09:00am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:09:33am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

Facebook tells me it’s policy is to run political ads even if they contain lies

So, Facebook’s corporate policy is defamation. Awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:11:37am

meanwhile in Scotland:

(that would be 5 pm EDT)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:11:39am

re: #405 KGxvi

I’m beginning to think we need to find ways to decouple the offices of the president and vice-president.

For one, I’m not sure it makes sense to consider the VP part of the executive branch, since most of the office’s constitutional duties are actually legislative in nature.

Part of me feels like it would be better to actually vote for the offices separately (how that would effect the actual electoral vote is another question, but most states bind their electors to the popular will anyway).

For now, he’s just another spokesperson for Trump. They were separate, originally, and that caused so many problems they fixed it pretty quickly.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:13:41am

re: #406 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

From the Daily Beast today:

The screaming will increase in duration and intensity as the base feels cornered, and their grand dreams are stripped away from them by merciless reality.

Will they tool up & start shooting those they blame for this? Almost assuredly.

A few will. Most will turn their attention to 2022 after the GOP loses in 2020.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:15:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:15:43am
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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:15:50am

re: #405 KGxvi

I’m beginning to think we need to find ways to decouple the offices of the president and vice-president.

For one, I’m not sure it makes sense to consider the VP part of the executive branch, since most of the office’s constitutional duties are actually legislative in nature.

Part of me feels like it would be better to actually vote for the offices separately (how that would effect the actual electoral vote is another question, but most states bind their electors to the popular will anyway).

Wasn’t that the original system set up by the Constitution til it was changed by the Twelfth (?) Amendment?
It had its flaws, but I wonder what the political scene would look like today, if Hillary Clinton , rather than Mike Pence, was next in line..?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:15:56am
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:18:09am

I can’t wait until Trump releases the report from Nigeria, Dominica or Somalia on Biden’s corruption.

Those will convince me!

//

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:18:22am

re: #410 Belafon

For now, he’s just another spokesperson for Trump. They were separate, originally, and that caused so many problems they fixed it pretty quickly.

The problems weren’t really because they were separate, so much as because of how they did the voting (first place in the electoral college was president, second place was vice president).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:18:45am

I so miss having a President who was a decent human being.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:19:02am

re: #405 KGxvi

I’m beginning to think we need to find ways to decouple the offices of the president and vice-president.

For one, I’m not sure it makes sense to consider the VP part of the executive branch, since most of the office’s constitutional duties are actually legislative in nature.

Part of me feels like it would be better to actually vote for the offices separately (how that would effect the actual electoral vote is another question, but most states bind their electors to the popular will anyway).

They tried that. It was a problem. That’s why the 12th Amendment.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:19:24am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:20:25am

re: #410 Belafon

For now, he’s just another spokesperson for Trump. They were separate, originally, and that caused so many problems they fixed it pretty quickly.

There weren’t parties originally and the founding fathers did not favor them. Article 2 specified that the person who received the most electors became President, if the person received a majority of the electors, and the person in 2nd place became Vice-President.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:20:38am

re: #414 Jay C

Wasn’t that the original system set up by the Constitution til it was changed by the Twelfth (?) Amendment?
It had its flaws, but I wonder what the political scene would look like today, if Hillary Clinton , rather than Mike Pence, was next in line..?

The only real change in the 12th Amendment was that there are now separate ballots cast in the electoral college rather than a single ballot. Most of how the Vice Presidency works today is a modern construction, post WWII mostly, and because the parties captured the VP nominations.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:20:41am

I suppose to incels, a cougar is the ultimate enemy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:20:58am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure Sinclair Stations will be running that ad every 30 minutes

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:21:58am
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:22:28am

re: #421 Hecuba’s daughter

There weren’t parties originally and the founding fathers did not favor them. Article 2 specified that the person who received the most electors became President, if the person received a majority of the electors, and the person in 2nd place became Vice-President.

Hell, originally it was considered unseemly to run a campaign for president, or to even be considered to want the job. Imagine campaigns basically being run by SuperPACs and the actual candidates saying things like “if it’s the will of the people, and the electors, then I will serve.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:22:35am

re: #423 jaunte

I suppose to incels, a cougar is the ultimate enemy.

Did the Marine ever show up to “corroborate” the Wohl fable?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:23:02am

re: #427 Hecuba’s daughter

I haven’t really been tracking the story.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:23:30am

He may be “in hiding.”

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:23:52am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Say Hey (I Love You)

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:24:07am

re: #426 KGxvi

Hell, originally it was considered unseemly to run a campaign for president, or to even be considered to want the job. Imagine campaigns basically being run by SuperPACs and the actual candidates saying things like “if it’s the will of the people, and the electors, then I will serve.”

“I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:26:00am

re: #418 Eclectic Cyborg

I so miss having a President who was a decent human being.

I miss having a President who could pass a Voight Kampff test…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:26:30am

re: #414 Jay C

Wasn’t that the original system set up by the Constitution til it was changed by the Twelfth (?) Amendment?
It had its flaws, but I wonder what the political scene would look like today, if Hillary Clinton , rather than Mike Pence, was next in line..?

Where that would have been really interesting would have been in 2001. Assuming a result similar to Gore vs Bush. Bush as president, Gore as VP with a 50/50 Senate.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:26:53am

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The Villages” being a notorious hot-bed for elder sex-swapping.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:28:48am

re: #426 KGxvi

Hell, originally it was considered unseemly to run a campaign for president, or to even be considered to want the job. Imagine campaigns basically being run by SuperPACs and the actual candidates saying things like “if it’s the will of the people, and the electors, then I will serve.”

Washington in particular thought it crass and borderline despotic to actually want to run for the job. He wrote letters and sought advice on whether he should actually accept the job, since he thought that he would appear interested (IE seeking personal gain) by taking the position.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:29:38am

re: #427 Hecuba’s daughter

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:30:04am

O_o

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:30:24am

re: #306 Hecuba’s daughter

Tom Baker left in 1981 — the following doctors of the original series did not have the same level of charisma as Baker.

Nor his mad rap battle prowess.

Doc Brown vs Doctor Who. Epic Rap Battles of History

I’ll show myself out…

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:31:01am
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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:31:43am

re: #431 Targetpractice

“I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.”

—William Tecumseh Sherman
1884

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:31:44am

re: #426 KGxvi

Hell, originally it was considered unseemly to run a campaign for president, or to even be considered to want the job. Imagine campaigns basically being run by SuperPACs and the actual candidates saying things like “if it’s the will of the people, and the electors, then I will serve.”

Or the long-time tradition of the “front porch campaign”, where the candidate basically stayed home and did the occasional interview, while Party operatives did the scutwork of actual campaigning.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:32:09am
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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:32:29am

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

Greenland isn’t a country but a territory of *checks notes* - Denmark.

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garzooma  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:32:34am

re: #420 jaunte

[Embedded content]
“Elizabeth Warren, Cougar?” sign at Jacob Wohl presser. LOL.

If he dies, he dies.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:33:04am

re: #439 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

Joe is not a sane conservative.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:33:07am

re: #436 jaunte

[Embedded content]

HULK SMASH!

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:33:50am

re: #445 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Joe is not a sane conservative.

He came around. He apologized for some of the things he said previously.

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:33:57am

re: #443 lawhawk

Greenland isn’t a country but a territory of *checks notes* - Denmark.

NOT FOR LONG!

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:34:31am
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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:36:05am
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Dread Pirate  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:36:17am
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Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:36:48am

re: #444 garzooma

If he dies, he dies.

“I wasn’t finished, and he just fell asleep. When I got back from my campaign stop, he was gone.” - Warren, possibly.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:37:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:37:07am
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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:38:13am

re: #450 Belafon

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Somehow, I don’t think it’s Dems who have to worry about turning off indie voters with this impeachment inquiry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:38:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:39:16am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:42:17am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:44:58am

re: #430 sagehen

[Embedded content]

Video

Wow. What we had.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:46:49am

good fucking grief

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:49:56am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kathryn Watson

@kathrynw5
The president can’t specifically identify anything inaccurate in the whistleblower’s complaint:

To be fair, since Trump doesn’t read, he can’t identify anything accurate or inaccurate in any document.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:50:20am
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:51:05am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Newt’s current wife is the ambassador to the Vatican.

Really……

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Alephnaught  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:51:24am

re: #460 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

[Embedded content]

Hmm, is that meant to be some kind of dog whistle?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:52:03am
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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:52:04am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

His wife is the Vatican Special Envoy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:52:43am

re: #463 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Newt’s current wife is the ambassador to the Vatican.

Really……

re: #466 austin_blue

His wife is the Vatican Special Envoy.

I know

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:53:53am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know

Figured it was rhetorical. But he does have moo cow eyes, doesn’t he?

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:53:55am
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:54:02am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know

I didn’t know you know but now I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:56:13am
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:57:04am

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking at a SEC conference, Bill Barr opens with a joke, saying reporters were shouting questions at him yesterday and one asked “What country are you going to next, Mr. Barr?” He says, chuckling: “And I said, ‘Greenland.’”

based on that read, no he didnt

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:57:27am

So consensus pls.

Is his plan at this point to believe the Senate will vote party line for this guy regardless of the evidence?

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:58:27am

re: #443 lawhawk

Greenland isn’t a country but a territory of *checks notes* - Denmark.

well he’s the AG not the SOS // (1/2)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:58:59am

re: #473 Dave In Austin

So consensus pls.

Is his plan at this point to believe the Senate will vote party line for this guy regardless of the evidence?

Yep. As he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters — especially in the Senate GOP

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2019 • 11:59:25am

Yes, that is his plan.

However… more than 20 Senate Republicans are up for re-election 13 months from now. Keeping their jobs is more important to them than him keeping his job. And most of them are MUCH better at reading tea leaves than he is.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:00:46pm

re: #476 sagehen

Yes, that is his plan.

However… more than 20 Senate Republicans are up for re-election 13 months from now. Keeping their jobs is more important to them than him keeping his job. And most of them are MUCH better at reading tea leaves than he is.

Your fingers to dog’s eyes….

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:00:51pm

re: #421 Hecuba’s daughter

There weren’t parties originally and the founding fathers did not favor them. Article 2 specified that the person who received the most electors became President, if the person received a majority of the electors, and the person in 2nd place became Vice-President.

As explained in
Hamilton: The Election of 1800

Hamilton: The Election of 1800

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:00:57pm

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

(on top of every other posture, no doubt he hasnt read it himself)

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:01:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:01:34pm

re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth

He already has Faux News State Media

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:02:47pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:03:12pm

Um…new Collier video. Whoa.

Jacob Collier - All Night Long (Official Video)

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #479 DangerMan

(on top of every other posture, no doubt he hasnt read it himself)

Trump has never failed, he has only been failed.

/

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:04:20pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Trump will label Taylor a member of the Deep State. Count on it.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:04:26pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

But, but, but, his phone conversation was “perfect”.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:04:29pm

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL — Trump promises a new “incredible” health care plan that will be released “if the Republicans take back the House, keep the Senate, [and] keep the presidency.”

is there a skip in the record?
we heard that last time

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:05:48pm

re: #473 Dave In Austin

So consensus pls.

Is his plan at this point to believe the Senate will vote party line for this guy regardless of the evidence?

well since no one’s given any testimony and virtually no dox have been received who knows

oh, and there aint no plan

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:06:07pm

re: #481 Sir John Barron

He already has Faux News State Media

They’ve started to sour on him lately though. He can’t stand it if they don’t recklessly kiss his ass 24/7/365.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:06:15pm

re: #473 Dave In Austin

So consensus pls.

Is his plan at this point to believe the Senate will vote party line for this guy regardless of the evidence?

That’s what I expect.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:07:10pm

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Great Healthcare for You. Maybe. Fast. Big Plan. “

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:08:01pm

“Hide the shakedown evidence!”

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:08:31pm

I just spent 5 minute defacing my Congressman Twitter page.
If you don’t like yours, I’d suggest you take 5 min. every day and do so.
It just feels right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:09:23pm

oh dear

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:09:59pm

re: #491 Sir John Barron

“Great Healthcare for You. Maybe. Fast. Big Plan. “

“Perfect. Beautiful.”

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:10:14pm

re: #487 DangerMan

is there a skip in the record?
we heard that last time

We heard this in 2016. GOP had no plan. It was repeal and don’t bother replacing. Democrats retook the House in 2018 on strength of their fight to protect health coverage for Americans.

2018 - Trump claimed he had another tax cut in his pocket weeks before the midterms, but that was total vaporware since no one saw a plan. It never existed. Trump doesn’t have a health care plan either.

2019 - again with the tax cuts and health care plans. GOP had a decade to come up with an alternative to the ACA, and all they could agree was try and repeal it legislatively (and that failed in bipartisan manner), or try the courts to achieve the same result.

At this rate, Trump will roll out an infrastructure week plan in 3… 2… 1…

We’ll sooner see Trump’s tax returns than any health care plan, let alone infrastructure or tax cuts proposals.

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:11:11pm

re: #491 Sir John Barron

“Great Healthcare for You. Maybe. Fast. Big Plan. “

..you’ll have it if i win and we take the house back

give us an outline, what’s in it, how’s it gonna work? (it’s written already right?)

i dont want to get into specifics, but it’s gonna be great
(and there’s your tell)

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:12:27pm

re: #492 jaunte

it’s not a negotiation
you dont get to ‘agree’ what it is
(he died. we all agreed it wasnt murder)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:12:58pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:13:09pm

re: #498 DangerMan

It’s like “shut up, he explained.”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:13:20pm
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear

[Embedded content]

this is really sad

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:14:21pm

Jack Burkman seems like exactly the guy who doesn’t understand what “EST” means and that it’s not actually the time zone DC is on right now.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:15:55pm

re: #498 DangerMan

it’s not a negotiation
you dont get to ‘agree’ what it is
(he died. we all agreed it wasnt murder)

“There was no shakedown. Also, I can do shakedown NOT ILLEGAL!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:16:34pm
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:16:40pm

re: #501 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

like i said the other day press conference “in his driveway” tells you all you need to know

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:17:02pm

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It’s not a conspiracy if we’re trying to find a conspiracy or if we are trying to create a conspiracy to find.”

/

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:19:33pm

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear

Pretty great ad for Warren.

Oh….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:20:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:21:02pm

I’ll pass…

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:23:09pm

re: #68 Shropshire Slasher

I heard that in 2016, wasn’t accurate, but maybe it will energize the Democrats base. I’m of the opinion the breathlessness of the impeachment cry will wear them out

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:23:18pm

Aaaaand here we go.

Full on Mugabe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:23:33pm

he is nutz, and so are those Villagers eejits

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:23:37pm

Ten comments in the bottom comments section. Is this a record?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:24:45pm

re: #514 I Would Prefer Not To

Ten comments in the bottom comments section. Is this a record?

Giving BrianJ a run for the roses…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:24:49pm

re: #512 Scottish Dragon

Aaaaand here we go.

Full on Mugabe.

But it was bad, very wrong, for Obama DOJ to “spy” on Trump.

////

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:26:03pm

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hardly knew her, she only got coffee….

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:26:59pm

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear

[Embedded content]

So going as expected then. LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:27:10pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:28:45pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:29:49pm

re: #511 jaunte

Freedumb fries?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:30:01pm
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b.d. (It's all true)  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:30:27pm
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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:30:40pm

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is nutz, and so are those Villagers eejits

Pres Trump says “Medicare is under threat like never before.” Says almost every Democrat advocates a healthcare takeover that would obliterate Medicare

Right. Medicare-for-All will obliterate Medicare

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:30:58pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:31:00pm

re: #520 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

The press conference is being drowned out by Chumbawamba.

Best detail ever.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:31:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:32:00pm

Where do Wohl and Burkman keep getting the money to do this shit?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:32:34pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just the President casually joking about violence against women.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:32:37pm

Dude has a Triple XXX tattoo? What a La-Hoo-Za-Hayair!

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:33:20pm

re: #528 Eclectic Cyborg

Where do Wohl and Burkman keep getting the money to do this shit?

My guess is Wohl’s dad is bankrolling this shit show. Or it’s from the same fountain of funds that gives us project Veritas (aka the O’Keefe shitshow).

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:33:26pm

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Elizabeth Warren “asked for a cat of nine-tails”, says Warren’s accuser.

it’s a lie because it’s “cat ‘o nine tails” (clip/magazine)

and i’d be asking dates, times, places

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:34:17pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹🎃

He hasn’t held a Nuremberg Electric Boogaloo 2 rally in some time.

Glad to see that reference used. I used to use it a bunch but all the whippersnappers around me weren’t getting it. Gosh darn whippersnappers!

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DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:35:59pm

re: #523 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

gave him a scar recently

yeah, she’s a public figure
this is in no way a satire (thought it might come up as a defense)

assuming she doesnt turn this on it’s head like it already looks like it’s doing to itself, has she got a case against these two bozos?

535
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:37:07pm

re: #527 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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what have they got on this ‘marine’?

536
MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:37:47pm

re: #535 DangerMan

what have they got on this ‘marine’?

Got? Gave. $$$$

537
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:38:52pm

re: #529 Eclectic Cyborg

Just the President casually joking about violence against women.

YouTube

538
goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:40:32pm

LOLWUT?

539
jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:41:18pm
540
jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:41:42pm
541
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:41:47pm

re: #534 DangerMan

gave him a scar recently

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yeah, she’s a public figure
this is in no way a satire (thought it might come up as a defense)

assuming she doesnt turn this on it’s head like it already looks like it’s doing to itself, has she got a case against these two bozos?

542
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:41:48pm

Fightin’ the Pharmaceuticals
Winning for the Vets & service members (and their families)

543
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:43:03pm
544
lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:44:37pm

re: #543 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Why do judges keep giving Klayman the time of day and don’t just seek his disbarment for clogging up the legal system with his bulkshit? His actions have always been egregious, but he keeps taking it to new levels.

545
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:45:03pm
546
Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:49:20pm

re: #523 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Never expected this kind of thing during Infrastructure Week.

547
Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:50:36pm

re: #534 DangerMan

She should ignore this nonsense. Senator Warren is a busy and serious candidate. Why dignify this foolishness with a response?

548
MsJ  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:53:04pm

re: #547 Patricia Kayden

She should ignore this nonsense. Senator Warren is a busy and serious candidate. Why dignify this foolishness with a response?

She would get some serious street cred. :-D

549
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:53:44pm
550
Jay C  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:54:14pm

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really hope not, but have any real “media” given Wohl and Burkman’s ludicrous charade any attention - other than the mockery and scorn it deserves?

I would have thought these bozos would have exhausted whatever shreds of credibility they might have had after their last stunt fizzled, but who knows…?

551
lawhawk  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:55:43pm
552
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:56:58pm

re: #547 Patricia Kayden

She should ignore this nonsense. Senator Warren is a busy and serious candidate. Why dignify this foolishness with a response?

ignoring is my #1 go to with crackpots to be sure

since trump hasnt said anything egregious in the last 20 minutes i was just musing whether one way or another she could squash these two like the bugs they are

either approach works for me

553
jaunte  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:57:09pm
554
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:58:58pm

re: #551 lawhawk

i concede
elizabeth warren herself doesnt have to do anything
there’s a posse

555
goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2019 • 12:59:59pm
556
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:00:02pm

re: #553 jaunte

actus rectus
the orange asshole in action

557
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:00:34pm

re: #555 goddamnedfrank

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is there a cougar voting bloc?

558
Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:01:08pm

re: #556 DangerMan

actus rectus
the orange asshole in action

“If I openly admit a crime, then it isn’t a crime, OK?”

//

559
Belafon  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:01:35pm

re: #557 DangerMan

is there a cougar voting bloc?

Is there a block of people who don’t think a woman should be held to a different standard than men? Yep.

560
DangerMan  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:02:04pm

re: #558 Sir John Barron

“If I openly admit a crime, then it isn’t a crime, OK?”

//

who would be stupid enough to…., oh wait, i just did…

561
KGxvi  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:04:10pm

re: #557 DangerMan

is there a cougar voting bloc?

Probably a lot of cross over with college educated white women, I’m guessing

562
TedStriker  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:06:23pm

re: #551 lawhawk

Let’s say it’s true.

Let’s say it is.

Let’s just say for a moment, that it happened.

Elizabeth Warren fucked a Marine so damned hard it left him physically scared and emotionally broken.

A MARINE.

Imagine what she’ll do to Putin.

Or Kim’s soft ass.

I’m just saying.

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) October 3, 2019

Seriously…if any of this was true (which, given the source, I seriously doubt), Warren went up a bit in my estimation. I don’t give a shit what kinks anyone has, as long as it’s between people old enough to legally consent and understand.

563
TedStriker  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:14:23pm

re: #555 goddamnedfrank

re: #557 DangerMan

is there a cougar voting bloc?

re: #559 Belafon

Is there a block of people who don’t think a woman should be held to a different standard than men? Yep.

re: #561 KGxvi

Probably a lot of cross over with college educated white women, I’m guessing

Wohl & Co., in trying to push the “Warren is a lecherous reprobate whore” angle don’t realize that, to many nowadays, being a “cougar” (even one that’s into BDSM) really doesn’t register as a problem with many people.

Hell, there was a fairly popular TV show that ran on ABC and TBS for six years called Cougar Town, ferchrissakes (even if it drifted from the “cougar” plotline)…

564
Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2019 • 1:54:44pm

re: #261 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Even Saddam Hussein never had polls this good.

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And the west wing of the insane asylum voted 98% - 2% that they should be allowed to smear their shit on the walls.

565
retired cynic  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:19:51pm

re: #527 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Killer Klowns From Outer Space 🇺🇸
@soonergrunt
This is the supposed Marine that Liz Warren was wearing out in the bedroom (as if that idea makes her less popular)—
Brainiac left his Instagram account public.

Is his back covered in pimples? Ewwww. Never saw bright red freckles before. Ugghhh.

566
Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:27:28pm

re: #357 DodgerFan1988

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Who is going to be their/our Dr. Mengele for this process?

567
Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2019 • 3:37:09pm

re: #387 Tgrad98

Poor little crooked donnie. Getting triggered every day on twitter will just provide further proof to future generations that his whole house of cards collapsed much quicker than anyone expected. Let us hold a minute of silence to mourn his administration. NOT!

I did a minute of silence, I was dancing with a smile on my face tho’.

568
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2019 • 4:02:34pm

re: #565 retired cynic

Is his back covered in pimples? Ewwww. Never saw bright red freckles before. Ugghhh.

steroids


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