Damning State Department Text Messages Show They All Knew What Trump Wanted Was Wrong

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Today our criminal president is babbling incoherently about “corruption,” by which he means other people’s corruption, especially the Bidens, not his corruption because he’s the least corrupt person in human history. Many people are saying it. Well, actually, only him.

Why is Trump blathering like this? Because House Democrats released the motherlode of smoking guns last night — a batch of text messages in which State Department officials discuss Trump’s efforts to extort Ukrainian President Zelensky into “investigating” Joe Biden.

Kurt Volker, the special representative to Ukraine who recently resigned, provided the texts to Congress in advance of his closed-door testimony Thursday. The texts were Volker’s exchanges, or exchanges he was copied on, with State Department officials, Giuliani, and an adviser to the Ukrainian president. The House Intelligence Committee released them Thursday.

The texts get even uglier in late August and early September. That’s when Trump’s decision to hold up $400 million in military aid for Ukraine entered the discussion. One State diplomat, Bill Taylor, twice raised concerns that this was connected to Trump’s demands for investigations and with US politics. And, twice, Ambassador Gordon Sondland responded by urging him to talk on the phone rather than by text message.

“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” Taylor wrote on September 1. “Call me,” Sondland answered.

Eight days later, Taylor wrote: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” Sondland responded by denying that this was the case — and urging him not to text about the matter anymore.

It’s now clear that everyone in the diplomatic chain knew what was going on here, and some of them were very uncomfortable with it. But apparently not uncomfortable enough to go public, until now.

Here are the text messages:

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379 comments

1
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:42:12am

The battle is not with Trump, but with the tens of millions of Americans who are now deep into sunk-cost thinking, with their support of him.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:49:46am

I’m starting to smell a hog roasting.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:53:03am

Update on the Wohl, Burkman claim they found that Elizabeth Warren broke a US Marine in a consensual BDSM relationship.

Turns out the guy lied about his military service. He didn’t deploy as he claimed (corrected)

Everything about Wohl and Burkman are frauds.

So who keeps bankrolling these two in inadvertent comedic self-pwnage?

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:54:04am

re: #3 lawhawk

Wohl: “No stolen valor here!”

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:54:55am
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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:55:27am

re: #4 jaunte

Nope… none at all:

“My service in Afghanistan, it was very….early in my Marine Corps time [when I was] just getting to my unit,” said Whelly. “I was stationed in Hawaii. 1/3 [1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment]. It’s on Wikipedia but in 2012 we were stationed in Afghanistan…deployed to Afghanistan.”

However, Whelly could not have served in Afghanistan in 2012, according to his releasable biographical data provided to Newsweek from Manpower and Reserve Affairs, the Marine Corps’ division which manages the personnel files for both active duty and reserve forces. The dates of service listed for Whelly begin on Aug. 25, 2015 and end on May 11, 2016.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:57:56am

Many people are saying:

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2019 • 10:58:55am

re: #6 lawhawk

The dates of service listed for Whelly begin on Aug. 25, 2015 and end on May 11, 2016.

That’s a damn short hitch. How’d he swing that?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:00:21am

The Soros bux paid to Wohl and Burkman for this false flag Republican self pwnage were well spent, better than we had hoped in fact. Further lucrative contracts await if they are willing to accept our newest proposal. I wonder how they feel about a bestiality charge in DC? They can probably handle it.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:01:51am

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lies, all lies!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:02:56am

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The battle is not with Trump, but with the tens of millions of Americans who are now deep into sunk-cost thinking, with their support of him.

They are the minority. If the big majority of Americans who oppose Trump vote blue (rather than stay home or cast a protest vote because they didn’t get their purity pony), we can’t lose.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:05:16am

re: #8 makeitstop

Beats me… could be dishonorably discharged?

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Dread Pirate  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:07:52am

I wonder if he’ll be back in country anytime soon.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:08:36am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:08:50am

re: #12 lawhawk

Beats me… could be dishonorably discharged?

He was injured in bed.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:09:32am

So, it looks like Mitt Romney is applying to be the Barry Goldwater of Stupid Watergate. I still don’t trust him because he has lacked political courage throughout his entire career, but baby steps, I guess?

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:10:52am

re: #16 KGxvi

So, it looks like Mitt Romney is applying to be the Barry Goldwater of Stupid Watergate. I still don’t trust him because he has lacked political courage throughout his entire career, but baby steps, I guess?

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He’s running.

only half / - it could happen

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:11:15am

re: #190 Dread Pirate

I don’t see how the quote from Taylor in any invalidates that Trump asked for help in framing Biden. But this is the party that seems to think 1984 was an instruction manual, and need to deny reality.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:11:35am

This TPM article has a great recap of the quid pro quo’s

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:11:55am

re: #16 KGxvi

So, it looks like Mitt Romney is applying to be the Barry Goldwater of Stupid Watergate. I still don’t trust him because he has lacked political courage throughout his entire career, but baby steps, I guess?

I don’t really care if he’s doing it for selfish reasons as long as he does it.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:14:04am

re: #17 makeitstop

He’s running.

only half / - it could happen

Oh, Romney (along with Cruz and Rubio) are at the top of my “They Are Running if Trump is Removed” list. I don’t think he has the political courage to challenge Trump directly (though the filing deadline is the first week of November, so I suppose we should keep an eye out)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:14:09am

If Mitt Romney does anything but mouth some more meaningless words, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:14:44am

Trump asked Xi to investigate Bidens in order to wind up liberals, says Rubio:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:15:40am

re: #17 makeitstop

He’s running.

only half / - it could happen

He just might be able to do it without the primaries: Pence resigns first, Cheeto nominates Willard as successor in return for pardons for both of them, Senate gladly approves, then Cheeto flees, leaving Willard as POTUS.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:16:28am

re: #23 Barefoot Grin

Pendejo.

Seriously, fuck that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:17:27am

re: #23 Barefoot Grin

Trump asked Xi to investigate Bidens in order to wind up liberals, says Rubio:

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Because that’s what Presidents should do Marco. Maybe your and Ted’s family still in Cuba should be investigated.//

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:17:31am

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He just might be able to do it without the primaries: Pence resigns first, Cheeto nominates Willard as successor in return for pardons for both of them, Senate gladly approves, then Cheeto flees, leaving Willard as POTUS.

House has to approve a VP appointment as well. And I’m sure there would be questions along the lines of “will you pardon those involved the way President Ford did?”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:17:44am

re: #12 lawhawk

Beats me… could be dishonorably discharged?

That was my first thought.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:18:31am

re: #25 KGxvi

Pendejo.

Seriously, fuck that guy.

Romney is being a bigger man here and Mitt protested in favor of a draft for a war he ran away from.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:19:44am

re: #23 Barefoot Grin

Trump asked Xi to investigate Bidens in order to wind up liberals, says Rubio:

Because that’s how Trump has totally worked so far, do something just to get a rise out of people. //

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:21:29am

Maybe I’m naive but the President shouldn’t be doing things to get a “rise.” Not to mention he did this in secret in June.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:25:03am

Heh… according to CNN the new House Republican talking point is to dare Pelosi to hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. They really seem to think that putting it on the record would work in their favor. They can’t be that dumb, can they?

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:26:16am

*Thread*

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:26:33am

re: #32 KGxvi

Heh… according to CNN the new House Republican talking point is to dare Pelosi to hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. They really seem to think that putting it on the record would work in their favor. They can’t be that dumb, can they?

They think the voters are.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:28:29am

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He just might be able to do it without the primaries: Pence resigns first, Cheeto nominates Willard as successor in return for pardons for both of them, Senate gladly approves, then Cheeto flees, leaving Willard as POTUS.

Now what if The House rejects Mitt????

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:29:10am

re: #27 KGxvi

House has to approve a VP appointment as well. And I’m sure there would be questions along the lines of “will you pardon those involved the way President Ford did?”

I think they’d go along, though not as cheerfully as the Senate would. Many of the Democrats of the time eventually changed their minds about the Nixon pardon. Ted Kennedy in particular played a major role in giving Ford the Profiles in Courage award for it. Willard isn’t up to Ford’s level obviously, but the incentive to get rid of Cheeto would be great and we would still have masses of complicit GOPers to prosecute, far more than in Watergate. Unlike Nixon, Cheeto has no loyalty to flunkies and would not insist on pardons for them as well, especially since it would screw the deal from the get-go.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:32:26am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I think they’d go along, though not as cheerfully as the Senate would. Many of the Democrats of the time eventually changed their minds about the Nixon pardon. Ted Kennedy in particular played a major role in giving Ford the Profiles in Courage award for it. Willard isn’t up to Ford’s level obviously, but the incentive to get rid of Cheeto would be great and we would still have masses of complicit GOPers to prosecute, far more than in Watergate. Unlike Nixon, Cheeto has no loyalty to flunkies and would not insist on pardons for them as well, especially since it would screw the deal from the get-go.

There’s always the lovely possibility that Romney would tell Trump that he’ll pardon Trump and his family and then… just not do it. Given how often Romney has changed his mind on important issues, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:33:37am

re: #33 DodgerFan1988

Rush(ia)
Dire Straits
Duck and Cover
Them Crooked Vultures

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Dread Pirate  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:35:54am
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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:39:20am

re: #39 Dread Pirate

Well, that settles that, I suppose. We can all go home now.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:39:36am

re: #33 DodgerFan1988

Don and the Cons
The Corruptors
Jerry and the Atrics
No Soul Within
No

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:39:38am

re: #3 lawhawk

So there’s no consequence for spreading these lies except to be pointed and laughed at, I guess.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:40:26am

re: #39 Dread Pirate

Putin is trolling Trump. He knows that serious Americans aren’t going to take his defense of his puppet at face value.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:40:35am
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stpaulbear  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:41:10am

re: #33 DodgerFan1988

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*Thread*

The Wattles.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:44:23am

re: #39 Dread Pirate

Wait.. Is Putin saying he was on the call too?
Or did he order Trump to make it?

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:45:41am

re: #39 Dread Pirate

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LOL, so Putin was listening in on the Ukraine call too?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:45:50am

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:46:00am

re: #46 Kilroy was here

Wait.. Is Putin saying he was on the call too?
Or did he order Trump to make it?

They have a transcript because Trump called on his unsecured cell phone. All the spies in DC were in on the call.

again, only half /

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:46:05am

re: #32 KGxvi

Heh… according to CNN the new House Republican talking point is to dare Pelosi to hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. They really seem to think that putting it on the record would work in their favor. They can’t be that dumb, can they?

There’s a strategic reason for it as well, namely that if an impeachment inquiry is “officially” voted upon, then the minority is functionally supposed to gain powers in order to have a “fair” shake in the whole mess. Right now, the constant whine from the Repub leadership is that Nancy isn’t playing nice by enforcing the very same rules they did during the Clinton impeachment (i.e. minority barred from calling/questioning witnesses, issuing subpoenas, etc).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:47:23am

This is the best one yet. Good work, sir.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:48:01am
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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:55:16am

Friday night news dump forthcoming:

Cue the whistleblowers (this is a follow on to the news that we learned that there was a whistleblower who claimed that the IRS was not properly carrying out the legally required audit of Trump’s tax returns).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:55:44am

This is big. Senator Ron Johnson tells the WSJ that the EU ambassador told him about the quid pro quo in August.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:57:01am

re: #54 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is big. Senator Ron Johnson tells the WSJ that the EU ambassador told him about the quid pro quo in August.

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This the same Ron Johnson who basically announced yesterday that he doesn’t give a flying fuck if Donny broke the law?

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:57:50am

re: #54 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is big. Senator Ron Johnson tells the WSJ that the EU ambassador told him about the quid pro quo in August.

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This isn’t going to end well for Trump.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:58:38am

re: #55 Targetpractice

This the same Ron Johnson who basically announced yesterday that he doesn’t give a flying fuck if Donny broke the law?

I guess someone informed him that his name came up during this inquiry.

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austin_blue  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:59:00am

re: #15 I Would Prefer Not To

He was injured in bed.

Was he awarded a Black-and-Blue Heart for that?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 11:59:45am

re: #56 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

This isn’t going to end well for Trump.

Perfect. Please, proceed.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:00:55pm

So that is 2 GOP Senators getting off the Trump Train just today and they aren’t even back in session yet…

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garzooma  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:02:42pm
Why is Trump blathering like this? Because House Democrats released the motherlode of smoking guns last night — a batch of text messages in which State Department officials discuss Trump’s efforts to extort Ukrainian President Zelensky into “investigating” Joe Biden.

One of the reasons for the shear amount of the incriminating messages was concerns that Trump would renege on a deal: Taylor texted: “The nightmare is they give the interview and don’t get the security assistance.” It would be fitting that one of the contributions to Trump’s troubles was his reputation for weaseling out of agreements.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:02:57pm

Trump is a detestable human being and getting rid of him is important, but he did not create the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today: It created him. Letting him skip away to Russia will still leave the masses of the guilty to face justice. Nor is Pence an acceptable successor since he could well be worse in many respects. Conversely, the thought of Pelosi as POTUS sends all Republicans, from the lowest tea party dupe to the major kingpins, into sputtering fits of rage and fear. They will die on that hill and take the country with them. Pelosi does not particularly want to be president, so she can make a deal with Donny for him to, first, throw Pence under the bus (as he already shows signs of doing), then appoint Romney to succeed him. She might even try for a truly acceptable successor, but those are few and far between in the GOP, if they exist at all, and Romney is therefore the least of many evils. This would break down all remaining resistance from the GOP fatcats like McConnell and Donnie would be gone.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:05:42pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

With New York waiting, I wonder if the GOP would be willing to get rid of Trump without Trump’s help?

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:05:55pm

re: #61 garzooma

One of the reasons for the shear amount of the incriminating messages was concerns that Trump would renege on a deal: Taylor texted: “The nightmare is they give the interview and don’t get the security assistance.” It would be fitting that one of the contributions to Trump’s troubles was his reputation for weaseling out of agreements.

That seems to be the only reason at all that Zelensky backed out, the fear that he’d give Donny (and, but extension, Putin) everything they wanted and then be left holding the bag. And he had every reason to believe that, because there’s no way in Hell that Donny would have ever kept his word. If he didn’t back out, it would only be because he’d start raising the bar that Z had to reach before he got the military aid. Or would find some way to parcel it out so he could keep asking for “favors.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:06:37pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump is a detestable human being and getting rid of him is important, but he did not create the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today: It created him.

Exactly. The noxious combination of the religious right with the self-interest of the very very rich brought about the GOP that gave us Trump as President.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:06:45pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump is a detestable human being and getting rid of him is important, but he did not create the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today: It created him. Letting him skip away to Russia will still leave the masses of the guilty to face justice. Nor is Pence an acceptable successor since he could well be worse in many respects. Conversely, the thought of Pelosi as POTUS sends all Republicans, from the lowest tea party dupe to the major kingpins, into sputtering fits of rage and fear. They will die on that hill and take the country with them. Pelosi does not particularly want to be president, so she can make a deal with Donny for him to, first, throw Pence under the bus (as he already shows signs of doing), then appoint Romney to succeed him. She might even try for a truly acceptable successor, but those are few and far between in the GOP, if they exist at all, and Romney is therefore the least of many evils. This would break down all remaining resistance from the GOP fatcats like McConnell and Donnie would be gone.

I would rather see the GOP die on the hill of defending Trump to the bitter end than make a deal with them.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:06:53pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

That seems to be the only reason at all that Zelensky backed out, the fear that he’d give Donny (and, but extension, Putin) everything they wanted and then be left holding the bag. And he had every reason to believe that, because there’s no way in Hell that Donny would have ever kept his word. If he didn’t back out, it would only be because he’d start raising the bar that Z had to reach before he got the military aid. Or would find some way to parcel it out so he could keep asking for “favors.”

We’re back to the Robot Chicken Vader & Lando scene.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:08:01pm

Im at the Dmv in Brooklyn. Pray for me.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:10:20pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump is a detestable human being and getting rid of him is important, but he did not create the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today: It created him. Letting him skip away to Russia will still leave the masses of the guilty to face justice. Nor is Pence an acceptable successor since he could well be worse in many respects. Conversely, the thought of Pelosi as POTUS sends all Republicans, from the lowest tea party dupe to the major kingpins, into sputtering fits of rage and fear. They will die on that hill and take the country with them. Pelosi does not particularly want to be president, so she can make a deal with Donny for him to, first, throw Pence under the bus (as he already shows signs of doing), then appoint Romney to succeed him. She might even try for a truly acceptable successor, but those are few and far between in the GOP, if they exist at all, and Romney is therefore the least of many evils. This would break down all remaining resistance from the GOP fatcats like McConnell and Donnie would be gone.

I suspect that if Trump is removed in whatever fashion, whoever follows him will be doing so on the condition that they don’t seek election in 2020.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:18:10pm

re: #66 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I would rather see the GOP die on the hill of defending Trump to the bitter end than make a deal with them.

Certainly understandable. We have to make sure they die on it anyway, even without saving Trump. Once he’s gone, we have to see to it that his albatross hangs around their necks for the next hundred years. The Republican Party recovered pretty quickly from Watergate. I don’t think they can repeat that trick. The internet is forever, for one thing, and even the lowest dupes are on record for their Trump-love. More importantly, there are no leaders of the caliber of Ford or Bush to help the recovery. It will be grifters and stooges all the way down from now on.

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:18:58pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Update on the Wohl, Burkman claim they found that Elizabeth Warren broke a US Marine in a consensual BDSM relationship.

Turns out the guy lied about his military service. He didn’t deploy as he claimed (corrected)

Everything about Wohl and Burkman are frauds.

So who keeps bankrolling these two in inadvertent comedic self-pwnage?

I really am gun-shy about crying “stolen valor” even with these two dipshits bringing this Marine to the fore, but it appears it fits; yes, the dude was a Marine, but lied about pretty much everything else related to his service (and probably about his liaisons with Warren, too).

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:20:37pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Nope… none at all:

re: #8 makeitstop

That’s a damn short hitch. How’d he swing that?

re: #12 lawhawk

Beats me… could be dishonorably discharged?

Not necessarily…maybe a medical discharge?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:20:58pm

re: #33 DodgerFan1988

No Hispanics! At The Disco
Whitesnake Moat
Steely Klan
Guns N’Words Roses
The Not All Men Brothers Band
The Police Brutality
The Hateful Dead
Audioslavery
The Notorious B.I.G.O.T.S
Moron 5
The Bitch Boys

Pussygrabber Riot

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:22:55pm

re: #20 Belafon

I don’t really care if he’s doing it for selfish reasons as long as he does it.

The most important thing to remember about Romney or any other Republican that dares to turn on Trump: the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.

Also, “trust but verify”.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:23:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:24:32pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

Like bullets off of Superman.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:25:54pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

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I was kind of worried about Ted Cruz, he went almost a full week without acting like a raging asshole

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:28:31pm

re: #71 TedStriker

I really am gun-shy about crying “stolen valor” even with these two dipshits bringing this Marine to the fore, but it appears it fits; yes, the dude was a Marine, but lied about pretty much everything else related to his service (and probably about his liaisons with Warren, too).

If he had anything truthful to relate, he wouldn’t have gone to those two grifters. His credibility is below zero now.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:30:50pm

re: #71 TedStriker

I’d go with stolen valor because he claimed he was out in Afghanistan (he wasn’t), and that was one of the reasons the witless wonders were touting him as some kind of attack on Warren (which it isn’t, since the allegation is that Elizabeth Warren broke a US Marine in a consensual BDSM encounter/relationship).

But then there’s also evidence that the guy lied about the service where he supposedly was hired in the first place to be an escort.

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mmmirele  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:31:08pm

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:33:11pm

re: #79 lawhawk

I’d go with stolen valor because he claimed he was out in Afghanistan (he wasn’t), and that was one of the reasons the witless wonders were touting him as some kind of attack on Warren (which it isn’t, since the allegation is that Elizabeth Warren broke a US Marine in a consensual BDSM encounter/relationship).

But then there’s also evidence that the guy lied about the service where he supposedly was hired in the first place to be an escort.

I should clarify: I was saying that, under most circumstances, I’d be wary of hollering “stolen valor”, but was also saying that, in this case, it certainly seems to be exactly that.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:35:30pm

Happy Friday Afternoon, patiently awaiting a horrid news dump.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:41:18pm

I still can’t get over this idea that wingnuts like Wohl still think sex scandals involving allegations of cheating are political death sentences in the era of Trump. That ship didn’t just sail when these goobers elected him, it circumnavigated the globe twice and came back laden with exotic spices. Hell, I think you’ll find even some of the older women in the crowd think that “broke a Marine a third of her age and made him cry for mommy” rates higher than “dropped his drawers and got spanked with a magazine by a porn star” when considering who they want in the White House.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:41:59pm

re: #77 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

I was kind of worried about Ted Cruz, he went almost a full week without acting like a raging asshole

Well, in public anyways

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:43:21pm

re: #68 I Would Prefer Not To

Im at the Dmv in Brooklyn. Pray for me.

Zootopia full sloth scene

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:43:44pm

Friday night news dump… part 2:

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:44:15pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

I still can’t get over this idea that wingnuts like Wohl still think sex scandals involving allegations of cheating are political death sentences in the era of Trump. That ship didn’t just sail when these goobers elected him, it circumnavigated the globe twice and came back laden with exotic spices. Hell, I think you’ll find even some of the older women in the crowd think that “broke a Marine a third of her age and made him cry for mommy” rates higher than “dropped his drawers and got spanked with a magazine by a porn star” when considering who they want in the White House.

I think most sex scandals died circa 1999. There has to be an aggravating circumstance for it to really take hold. Like an anti-gay Senator trolling airport bathrooms or a governor hiking the Appalachian trail.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:45:13pm

re: #87 KGxvi

I think most sex scandals died circa 1999. There has to be an aggravating circumstance for it to really take hold. Like an anti-gay Senator trolling airport bathrooms or a governor hiking the Appalachian trail.

The sex scandal needs a hook…. It has to be lyrical and roll off the tongue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:46:14pm

re: #88 lawhawk

The sex scandal needs a hook…. It has to be lyrical and roll off the tongue.

it has to involve illegal payments for hush money or coverup

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:46:23pm

re: #88 lawhawk

The sex scandal needs a hook…. It has to be lyrical and roll off the tongue.

Such as “wide stance” and “Appalachian Trail”.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:46:56pm

re: #87 KGxvi

I think most sex scandals died circa 1999. There has to be an aggravating circumstance for it to really take hold. Like an anti-gay Senator trolling airport bathrooms or a governor hiking the Appalachian trail.

I’d agree in principle, but even in the case of the latter we’ve seen that it’s not political death so much anymore as Mark was able to not only revive his career, but parlay it into an even higher office. Hell, even thought Newt is gone from Congress, he’s still running around selling himself as the “elder statesman voice of reason” to the press who readily book him.

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:47:10pm

re: #88 lawhawk

The sex scandal needs a hook…. It has to be lyrical and roll off the tongue.

And if it’s a GOPer, the only one that seems capable of sticking nowadays is of the “live boy” (as in underage) variety - which is what I suspect Cheeto Benito/Putin have on Lindsey…

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:48:05pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

I still can’t get over this idea that wingnuts like Wohl still think sex scandals involving allegations of cheating are political death sentences in the era of Trump. That ship didn’t just sail when these goobers elected him, it circumnavigated the globe twice and came back laden with exotic spices. Hell, I think you’ll find even some of the older women in the crowd think that “broke a Marine a third of her age and made him cry for mommy” rates higher than “dropped his drawers and got spanked with a magazine by a porn star” when considering who they want in the White House.

Yeah, seriously…I think you’d even find a bunch of guys that would be mighty impressed with what Warren supposedly did.

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:48:40pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

I’d agree in principle, but even in the case of the latter we’ve seen that it’s not political death so much anymore as Mark was able to not only revive his career, but parlay it into an even higher office. Hell, even thought Newt is gone from Congress, he’s still running around selling himself as the “elder statesman voice of reason” to the press who readily book him.

Because, in the end, IOKIYAR.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:50:28pm

re: #92 Interesting Times

And if it’s a GOPer, the only one that seems capable of sticking nowadays is of the “live boy” (as in underage) variety - which is what I suspect Cheeto Benito/Putin have on Lindsey…

Yeah, paedophilia seems to be the one line that wingnuts still have issues with, though (as noted) only of the “live boy” variety. As we learned with Roy Moore, so long as they can spin it as a “romantic relationship” and bullshit themselves into believing there was “consent,” then chasing little girls seems to be slowly falling into the “acceptable” range as far as sex scandals.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:51:33pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:52:35pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

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*deadpan* Shocker.

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:53:39pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

Column: Trump’s plan to ‘save’ Medicare would actually destroy it latimes.com

— Michael Hiltzik (@hiltzikm) October 4, 2019

Definitely a feature, not a bug; Paul Ryan and Rand Paul (among other GOPers) have to be stifling huge boners over this.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:54:22pm

re: #16 KGxvi

So, it looks like Mitt Romney is applying to be the Barry Goldwater of Stupid Watergate. I still don’t trust him because he has lacked political courage throughout his entire career, but baby steps, I guess?

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i personally think he’s eyeing a soon to be possibly open VP spot and maybe turn than into a campaign run

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:54:43pm

re: #17 makeitstop

He’s running.

only half / - it could happen

ok and there it s in the very next post….
gmta

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:57:11pm

re: #23 Barefoot Grin

Trump asked Xi to investigate Bidens in order to wind up liberals, says Rubio:

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so marco it’s ok for the president* to play games?

but if china actually were to do something beneficial to him, he’s just a lucky guy because after all it was a ‘joke’?

marco you’re a fucking US Senator

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:59:03pm

re: #37 KGxvi

There’s always the lovely possibility that Romney would tell Trump that he’ll pardon Trump and his family and then… just not do it. Given how often Romney has changed his mind on important issues, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

i’d pay a dollar to see that

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 12:59:40pm

re: #40 KGxvi

Well, that settles that, I suppose. We can all go home now.

cause putin’s such an expert in the details of US law

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:00:02pm

re: #102 DangerMan

i’d pay a dollar to see that

I would too, not that I think that Romney would ever have that chance, though.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:02:25pm

re: #56 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

This isn’t going to end well for Trump.

you folks are slaking
not nearly enough upvotes

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:04:14pm

You know what’s BIGGER STUFF? We don’t even need the Whistleblower any more because you blew the whistle on yourself.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:06:55pm

re: #106 The Pie Overlord!

You know what’s BIGGER STUFF? We don’t even need the Whistleblower any more because you blew the whistle on yourself.

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They’re going after the whistleblower in the same manner that they did Michael Steele. The feeding frenzy that will occur the moment the world learns their identity will be fucking brutal, which is why it makes sense for the investigators to do everything they can to set the stage for the whistleblower’s testimony rather than building a case around it.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:07:06pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump is a detestable human being and getting rid of him is important, but he did not create the Republican Party as we know and loathe it today: It created him. Letting him skip away to Russia will still leave the masses of the guilty to face justice. Nor is Pence an acceptable successor since he could well be worse in many respects. Conversely, the thought of Pelosi as POTUS sends all Republicans, from the lowest tea party dupe to the major kingpins, into sputtering fits of rage and fear. They will die on that hill and take the country with them. Pelosi does not particularly want to be president, so she can make a deal with Donny for him to, first, throw Pence under the bus (as he already shows signs of doing), then appoint Romney to succeed him. She might even try for a truly acceptable successor, but those are few and far between in the GOP, if they exist at all, and Romney is therefore the least of many evils. This would break down all remaining resistance from the GOP fatcats like McConnell and Donnie would be gone.

i would add one point
president pelosi is a non starter for a lot of reasons

the most basic is that trump/pence will under no circumstances be ousted instantaneously, which is the only way this happens - either by impeachment or resignation. they’ll orchestrate a timeline.

if trump goes, pence is pres and can (or not) name a vp
if pence goes, trump doesnt have to name a vp, though probably would be pressured to

there is no president nancy

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:10:35pm

re: #106 The Pie Overlord!

You know what’s BIGGER STUFF? We don’t even need the Whistleblower any more because you blew the whistle on yourself.

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The same ICIG that tried to bury the whistleblower?

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:11:30pm

re: #92 Interesting Times

And if it’s a GOPer, the only one that seems capable of sticking nowadays is of the “live boy” (as in underage) variety - which is what I suspect Cheeto Benito/Putin have on Lindsey…

still untested

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:12:57pm

**tears everywhere**

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:15:12pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden
if by silenced you mean cause no one is listening to you, then yeah

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:15:41pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

**tears everywhere**

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May be the biggest shadow ban ever.

//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:17:44pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

**tears everywhere**

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Yeah maybe you shouldn’t compare immigrants wanting a better life to Nazis, fuckwad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:22:50pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

**tears everywhere**

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Hang on, Todd. I’ve got my tiny violin around here somewhere…

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plansbandc  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:25:32pm

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:29:52pm

re: #116 plansbandc

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*chuckles*

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:30:11pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

**tears everywhere**

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Giphy

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plansbandc  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:32:32pm

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:32:53pm

If these RWNJ’s are really concerned about the “babies,” they should do something about the migrant babies locked up in gulags. But they won’t because they support that inhumane policy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:34:43pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

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If these RWNJ’s are really concerned about the “babies,” they should do something about the migrant babies locked up in gulags. But they won’t because they support that inhumane policy.

Lying asshole who supports a douche who wanted to shoot children and feed them to gators.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:35:17pm

We’re in a post truth society.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:38:48pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

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If these RWNJ’s are really concerned about the “babies,” they should do something about the migrant babies locked up in gulags. But they won’t because they support that inhumane policy.

As always, it’s their babies that they worry about.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:39:44pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

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If these RWNJ’s are really concerned about the “babies,” they should do something about the migrant babies locked up in gulags. But they won’t because they support that inhumane policy.

only trump supporters are allowed into his events - they try and screen them
therefore anyone at an AOC event must be a supporter of hers

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:42:23pm

It goddamn came out that she was a LaRouchite. But yeah AOC supports eating babies. GTFO with that crap.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:43:23pm

This entire administration is rotten to the gunnels.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:44:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:46:34pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

It goddamn came out that she was a LaRouchite. But yeah AOC supports eating babies. GTFO with that crap.

and O’Keefe had the video ready to blast out within minutes.

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Jay C  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:47:09pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

SRSLY?
These bozos are going on about that Larouchie’s stupid “Eat the babies” stunt as if it was seriously some sort of “AOC supporter” thing?
FOR RLZ?

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:47:29pm

Some good news for the PC gamers among us Lizards…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:47:55pm

re: #124 DangerMan

only trump supporters are allowed into his events - they try and screen them
therefore anyone at an AOC event must be a supporter of hers

It’s rather like their assumption that all evolutionary science is based on the personal authority of Charles Darwin (“Darwinism”). This is why we see them doing weird things like trying to argue that Darwin recanted or he was a Paris communard or something. They base their beliefs entirely on appeals to authority, and they assume that everyone else does so as well.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:49:59pm

Friday night news dump #3:

Barr’s troubles just got worse. A criminal referral was made. DOJ then refused to take it up and investigate. Instead, they killed the issue altogether. And that’s a decision that could only come from the top.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:51:27pm

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

This entire administration is rotten to the gunnels.

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This is the sort of shit that happens when you allow the previous admin to skate on its crimes because “we need to work with these people.” I know it’s all largely hindsight now, but I still cannot forgive either Obama or Congressional Dems for letting Bush walk.

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lawhawk  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:53:21pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:56:42pm

It seems every new revelation in this case either deepens the shit Trump is in or further implicates everybody around him. At this point, I can’t help but assume that before it’s all over, we’re going to find out that Congressional Repubs were in-the-know if not directly involved.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:58:17pm

re: #129 Jay C

SRSLY?
These bozos are going on about that Larouchie’s stupid “Eat the babies” stunt as if it was seriously some sort of “AOC supporter” thing?
FOR RLZ?

They know their fuckwit readers will buy it.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:58:49pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

This is the sort of shit that happens when you allow the previous admin to skate on its crimes because “we need to work with these people.” I know it’s all largely hindsight now, but I still cannot forgive either Obama or Congressional Dems for letting Bush walk.

You think that if Obama had investigated Bush, Trump wouldn’t have been elected?

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 1:59:35pm

It’s dumbasses all the way down.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:00:22pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

It seems every new revelation in this case either deepens the shit Trump is in or further implicates everybody around him. At this point, I can’t help but assume that before it’s all over, we’re going to find out that Congressional Repubs were in-the-know if not directly involved.

in hindsight it’s probably why he/they were always so petrified of leaks etc

not even this specifically - just that they knew so much of what they were doing was wrong

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:01:27pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Nope… none at all:

in other words, he got booted from the corps. honorably, probably, but I’m pretty sure if you join in August and you’re gone the following May, somebody decided early on you were too much of a moron even for the Marines.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:02:06pm

re: #138 The Pie Overlord!

It’s dumbasses all the way down.

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He fucking called for it on TV. Delete your party.

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:03:01pm

re: #8 makeitstop

That’s a damn short hitch. How’d he swing that?

likely from being a moron. i imagine he spent the last month of service walking around without boot laces, and in comfy sweats.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:04:19pm

re: #137 Belafon

You think that if Obama had investigated Bush, Trump wouldn’t have been elected?

IMHO, investigating those fuckers, even if it never led to legal consequences, would have driven a post-Nixon style revision of the law and regulations to avoid repeats. Right now, we’re seeing a lot of precedents and loopholes from the Bush-era being exploited ruthlessly because that admin was so successful at subverting existing barriers.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:06:03pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

They know their fuckwit readers will buy it.

we tried, we really did
we tried to reason with you
understand you
give you a path
we listened
we engaged
we debated, argued
gun safety and accountability, immigration, kids in cages
tariffs, welfare to farmers, tax cuts for the rich, ad infinito
we didnt even give up when we all knew the dc pizza place didnt even have a basement
even amongst ourselves we debated - do we write of a whole swath of the population or not

now if you’re gonna actually buy into this eating babies nonsense - i’m done. we’re done. there is no rehabilitation for you

you need to be locked up.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:07:20pm

re: #138 The Pie Overlord!

It’s dumbasses all the way down.

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hey guys - those ‘crucial bills’ are in mitch’s desk drawer

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gwangung  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:09:19pm

OT: College pal of mine is opening up a new musical in New York.

I have to say….current events have overtaken his musical. He’s probably up nights doing rewrites….

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:11:33pm

The hinterland gentry:
Alabama Mayor Calls for Killing LGBTQ People in Facebook Post

An Alabama mayor has posted comments on Facebook about killing LGBTQ people, then tried to deny the post was his, but finally admitted it.

Carbon Hill Mayor Mark Chambers posted a graphic that read, “We live in a society where homosexuals lecture us on morals, transvestites lecture us on human biology, baby killers lecture us on human rights and socialists lecture us on economics.” It has now been removed, but Birmingham TV station WBRC captured a screen shot.

These people are the heart and soul of the Republican Party, billionaires and goobers notwithstanding. There is a reason that the local aristocracy was the main target of the French Revolution. Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, and other high profile types lost their heads, to be sure, but it was the hereditary bosses out in the provinces who contributed the real numbers to Madame Guillotine.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:17:01pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The hinterland gentry:
Alabama Mayor Calls for Killing LGBTQ People in Facebook Post

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These people are the heart and soul of the Republican Party, billionaires and goobers notwithstanding. There is a reason that the local aristocracy was the main target of the French Revolution. Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, and other high profile types lost their heads, to be sure, but it was the hereditary bosses out in the provinces who contributed the real numbers to Madame Guillotine.

The GIFT theory strikes again: Give an otherwise “normal” person the illusion of “anonymity” on the Internet and you find out that they harbor a lot of beliefs that they’d never voice out in public for fear of censure or worse.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:17:14pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The hinterland gentry:
Alabama Mayor Calls for Killing LGBTQ People in Facebook Post

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These people are the heart and soul of the Republican Party, billionaires and goobers notwithstanding. There is a reason that the local aristocracy was the main target of the French Revolution. Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, and other high profile types lost their heads, to be sure, but it was the hereditary bosses out in the provinces who contributed the real numbers to Madame Guillotine.

The Republican base has a lot in common with those who Bush insisted hated us for our freddim.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:17:17pm

re: #134 lawhawk

I bet judges really love being shoved by attorneys like that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:18:37pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

The GIFT theory strikes again: Give an otherwise “normal” person the illusion of “anonymity” on the Internet and you find out that they harbor a lot of beliefs that they’d never voice out in public for fear of censure or worse.

We’re told to respect their beliefs. No one ever tells them to acknowledge LGBT people as human beings.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:24:00pm

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:24:00pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

The GIFT theory strikes again: Give an otherwise “normal” person the illusion of “anonymity” on the Internet and you find out that they harbor a lot of beliefs that they’d never voice out in public for fear of censure or worse.

For those unfamiliar with it :

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:26:19pm

re: #152 The Pie Overlord!

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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She’s such a disgusting asskisser. And you know what, you shouldn’t be calling your coworkers beautiful. There’s a thing called a professional relationship. This cult of personality he has is nauseating.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:27:01pm

On another note, I saw Joker last night.

Overall, I enjoyed it. Very different from most comic book fare but I can appreciate that. Excellent performance by Phoenix.

More thoughts behind the spoiler screen:

I liked it. It definitely takes some time to process. It’s a very visceral, psychological film that stays with you awhile after you walk out of the theater.

DO NOT bring your kids! This is NOT a family friendly film. There’s not an excessive amount of violence, thought the violence in it is pretty graphic, but it deals with very adult themes and is in NO way like a traditional comic book movie.

If you go in expecting chases, highly choreographed fights and explosions, you are going to leave disappointed. This I think it what’s causing some people to dump on the movie. It’s tough to classify because it’s a super hero or comic movie as we’re used to seeing them.

In terms of what impact it might have on Incels and other like minded types, I would say that if this movie drives you to violence, it’s because you already have a predilection for such. The film goes to great lengths to make Joker a psychotic, fucked up, irrational, unlikeable character. We stay interested in the guy for the same reason motorists stay interested in a car wreck they’re passing by. In fact, the character literally says in the movie he has no political motivations or grand ambitions (though his murder of three rich guys DOES spark a political movement), he just wants to live his life in the most demented, fucked up way possible, which he just happens to find hilarious.

Joaquin Phoenix is the highlight of the movie for sure. I don’t know that I would call this his best work but it’s definitely up there. That said, I personally think Ledgers version still stands as the best live action take on the character.

One of the interesting things is that there really isn’t much humor in the movie save for a few small moments. Ledger and Nicholsons Jokers were destructive but entertaining while they did it. Phoenix goes more for the destruction where HE is the only one that finds it hilarious. I imagine that was partly on purpose as again, the Joker is supposed to be a psychotic fucked villain we don’t want to cheer for, but the comedy undertones have long been major character trait that I think could have been fleshed out a little more here.

I do appreciate that the film STILL leaves much of the Jokers origin ambiguous. I didn’t want it to be a thing where all the blanks were neatly filled in because that doesn’t fit this character at all.

Also, I might be wrong but I still wonder if Joker wasn’t putting one over on people with his laughing condition. I know it’s a real condition, but I also know the Joker may well just be that fucked up.

If you like a good character study and psychological movie, you’ll enjoy this.

8/10

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sagehen  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:27:14pm

re: #146 gwangung

OT: College pal of mine is opening up a new musical in New York.

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I have to say….current events have overtaken his musical. He’s probably up nights doing rewrites….

There’s at least 2 NYC Lizards, one on Long Island, and a Jerseyite…

Do we get free opening night tickets?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:30:17pm

We are at Exit Zero. That is not an existentialist Limbo, but the I10 interchange right at the West Texas border. Hell is other RV campers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:30:41pm

re: #16 KGxvi

So, it looks like Mitt Romney is applying to be the Barry Goldwater of Stupid Watergate. I still don’t trust him because he has lacked political courage throughout his entire career, but baby steps, I guess?

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Why don’t we examine his actual situation? He’s never been brave or had any principles. He’s been a hypocrite about women’s choice and health care. He doesn’t want to be Senator — 1 person of 100 with little influence. He wants an executive position — and with McConnell in power, he’s not likely to ever become Senate Majority leader. He was a governor and ran twice for the Presidency; losing in the primaries in 2008 and in the general in 2012.

He wants to be President and this is his only route. He’s 72 and in 2024 he would be too old to run, especially since the party was never enthusiastic about him anyway. It doesn’t take any courage for speaking out as a Senator from Utah; it’s not as though he has to run for reelection in 2020. And at his age and with his wealth, he has literally nothing to lose by pretending to care about this nation.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:31:29pm

How many Black people even are at this TP event? Canned Ass, Terrence Williams, Rhinestone & Rayon?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:33:50pm

He always always insults his audience’s intelligence but considering Candace and dumb/dumber are there, maybe they deserve it given they still support him.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:35:16pm

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

How many Black people even are at this TP event? Canned Ass, Terrence Williams, Rhinestone & Rayon?

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And, as always, some poor staffer is looking to another and going “That’s not in the script.”

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:38:04pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Excellent review. Wife and I both thx you

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:38:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:40:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:41:30pm

We salvaged our “no-Juarez” day by going down El Camino Real to the first Spanish missions in Texas (mid 1600’s). The missions were in Mexico until 1842, when the Rio Grande went South. Makes them think they were here first.

Had lunch at the most real Mexican restaurant we could find. Wife had No Comprendo and I had No Problemo. Still better than two of the three Mexican places in our city.

Got better wifi by sitting in the camp laundoromat, stealing the office bandwidth. Wife is having a siesta, which is like an Italian riposo, but with no pizza afterwards.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:42:13pm

re: #164 Patricia Kayden

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Where all the free peach activists at?//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:42:35pm

re: #163 jaunte

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Not hard to do with thus WH.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:43:04pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold and rainy wild north country. How go things on this wild and wacky ride we call the Friday News Dump?

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:43:09pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

She’s such a disgusting asskisser. And you know what, you shouldn’t be calling your coworkers beautiful. There’s a thing called a professional relationship. This cult of personality he has is nauseating.

that comment about kirstjen nielsen the other day - trump calling her honey and sweetheart (an effing cabinet secretary) and saying she ‘doesnt understand’ - in front of a room full of people

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:46:23pm

re: #169 DangerMan

that comment about kirstjen nielsen the other day - trump calling her honey and sweetheart (an effing cabinet secretary) and saying she ‘doesnt understand’ - in front of a room full of people

Obama and even W Bush never talked about the women on their teams this way. Trump wasn’t lying when he said to Howard Stern that you had to treat women like crap.

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:47:26pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

We are at Exit Zero. That is not an existentialist Limbo, but the I10 interchange right at the West Texas border. Hell is other RV campers.

in 94 i spent a year riding my motorcycle and tent camping around the US

one night around 10 i and everyone are asleep

some guy pulls in, starts up his a/c or generator and runs it all night - i am sure there was lots of grumbling

i get up early in the AM hoping i can get my bike started and wake his ass up

turns out he hooked up his water line in the dark and didnt check it. his trailer was sitting in the middle of a 20-30 foot lake.

fortunately it didnt flow towards anyone else in the middle of the night

karma

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DangerMan  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:49:38pm

re: #159 The Pie Overlord!

black people to trump:

“yeah, we built this nation. it wasn’t like we had a choice”

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:51:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:53:02pm

re: #173 jaunte

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He can’t be racist. He liked a black woman’s hair.///

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:53:47pm

He always acts like a fucking creep.

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gwangung  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:55:55pm

re: #156 sagehen

There’s at least 2 NYC Lizards, one on Long Island, and a Jerseyite…

Do we get free opening night tickets?

Gawd, I can’t get free tickets, even during out of town tryouts.

(Mainly because he knows I would pay FIVE FIGURES to be in the house the same night the Clintons are in the audience).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 2:56:29pm

Brexit enters the so-much-winning camp:

Tonnes of British-grown fruit wasted over shortages of EU workers amid no deal Brexit fears

TV News has figures showing tonnes of food is being wasted, as a shortage of farm workers means some UK crops are not being harvested.

Seasonal migrants from the EU are staying away, fearing a no deal Brexit.

The industry blames the government’s failure to allow more agricultural workers from outside the EU.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:00:29pm

re: #177 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Brexit enters the so-much-winning camp:

Tonnes of British-grown fruit wasted over shortages of EU workers amid no deal Brexit fears

If the Brexiter “solution” is anything like their ideological brethren here in the states, it’ll be “Take those people off government support and force them to work the fields!”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:01:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:01:51pm

re: #179 Patricia Kayden

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This isn’t a presidency. This is the Mafia.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:09:14pm

Hella nerve.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:10:55pm

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

Hella nerve.

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Oh fuck you Ken, no one wants your damn opinion especially after you showed your true colors at Baylor.

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MsJ  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:12:54pm

re: #98 TedStriker

Definitely a feature, not a bug; Paul Ryan and Rand Paul (among other GOPers) have to be stifling huge boners over this.

How many dead grannies? I mean there’s X number of dead old people that give them boners and then there’s YY number of dead old folks that enter the “if your erection lasts longer than four hours call for help” boners.

I’m just trying to determine the level of happiness they’re going to be experiencing.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:14:17pm

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:16:37pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

In what possible fucking universe does this make ANY sense? Look, it doesn’t matter if Pelosi is Speaker or not. Republicans WILL NOT VOTE FOR IMPEACHMENT unless they feel their jobs (or lives) are on the line if they don’t. Period. Full stop.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:16:54pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

Apparently Trump has made it cool to take the Constitution apart and see what happens.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:17:56pm

Take the Speaker of the House out of the line of succession because Johnathan Bernstein doesn’t like it.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:19:40pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:21:30pm

Trump is tweeting a PInocchio cartoon calling Schiff a liar.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:21:43pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

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Oh shut up. Barr and Pompeo are actively involved in this scandal.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:24:26pm

Trump will take the subpoenas, wipe his ass with them and light them on fire on the White House lawn.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:24:52pm

re: #153 Disloyal Archangel

For those unfamiliar with it :

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So, it would just be GIFT, or it’s a theory about a theory? Or it’s the GIF theory, and people will spend forever arguing over how to pronounce it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:26:03pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

very nice to see a solid review from someone who actually watched the film, rather than kneejerk reacting to the trailer about how it would trigger incels.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:26:11pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

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The point Jonathan is making is understandable; to make impeachment a more acceptable policy it needs to be framed as not overturning the 2016 election through switching the party in power. This can be handled by Pence resigning and someone acceptable, like Grassley taking over the VP; Trump resigning, Grassley promoted, and then Grassley nominating someone acceptable as VP. As much as I would love a President Pelosi, a change in party would provoke too much additional dissension to the impeachment process. But replacing the criminals with two Republicans who have no further ambition would be reasonable (and yes — this is a change from my previous Romney calculations)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:27:40pm

Freeper update!

Jussie Smollett (remember him?) continues to live rent-free in freeper heads, with 5 stories in the past two weeks. These include a new wrinkle that involves Jussie denouncing attempts to compare his actions to those of the little girl who was busted for claiming that classmates had cut her dreadlocks. Whatever. Oh, and SMOTI is naturally involved in recent Jussie coverage, with a claim that Corey Booker and Kamala Harris were involved in fabricating Jussie’s original report.

With enemies like this, who needs friends?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:29:04pm

Survived 3 hours at dmv. 2 tired to report

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:29:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:29:24pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

The point Jonathan is making is understandable; to make impeachment a more acceptable policy it needs to be framed as not overturning the 2016 election through switching the party in power. This can be handled by Pence resigning and someone acceptable, like Grassley taking over the VP; Trump resigning, Grassley promoted, and then Grassley nominating someone acceptable as VP. As much as I would love a President Pelosi, a change in party would provoke too much additional dissension to the impeachment process. But replacing the criminals with two Republicans who have no further ambition would be reasonable (and yes — this is a change from my previous Romney calculations)

The line exists for a reason not to placate the goddamn GOP because they’re a cesspool of corruption so no he doesn’t have a point. He wants to do everything to rationalize the idea of letting the GOP keep power even though they’re enabling a corrupt administration.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:29:29pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

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As this deal gets messier the takes will get even dumber. It won’t be long before the “OK Nancy, you’ve proved your point now stop” editorials.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:31:18pm

JFC

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:31:21pm

Here’s the thing: If the GOP want to frame this as overturning the 2016 election… Okay, GOOD. Trump didn’t win in 2016. Trump + Russia won in 2016, and we all know it. A corrupt administration was elected under false pretenses and has done unspeakable things. If they want to complain that we’re being undemocratic about reversing those mistakes, I might remind them that they were undemocratic about how they acquired all that power in the first place.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:31:32pm

In terms of deal making for a Trump removal, President Pence is acceptable if a pardon of Trump is explicitly off the table.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:32:22pm

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

Hella nerve.

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The relevant lines:

Starr directed his next comments directly to House Democrats leading the charge: “You’re depriving individuals of their voice. Not just the representatives, but ‘we the people’ who elected our representatives and we’re entitled to know how they feel.

“The history of liberty is the history of process. Process counts,” Starr noted. “So, we need to have the protocol: the rules of engagement. So yes, so that the Republican minority has its rights and those are clearly delineated.

Translation: “We want to lock the party into supporting Trump before defections start happening and we want the power to turn this inquiry into a circus!”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:32:57pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

He’s being dragged in the comments so whoever he is, he’s a fool.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:33:39pm

I’m going offline now. See you on the other side of Saturday!

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:35:10pm

re: #137 Belafon

Hey - did you ever get an answer on your mic question from a few threads back?
I attempted an answer but the thread was long dead so it is the last comment.
Basically it was “get Shure SM57’s”

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:36:29pm

re: #197 jaunte

Trump’s lawyers tell a fed’ judge if he doesn’t rule on their motion (to keep Manhattan DA from getting Trump’s taxes) by Monday, they’ll treat it as denied & appeal. Beyond ludicrous & arrogant. If I was the judge I’d hold my ruling just to watch it play out in the 2nd Circuit.

We know DT doesn’t get the best lawyers available — do you suppose they think this is a valid action?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:38:02pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

The line exists for a reason not to placate the goddamn GOP because they’re a cesspool of corruption so no he doesn’t have a point. He wants to do everything to rationalize the idea of letting the GOP keep power even though they’re enabling a corrupt administration.

I’m not suggesting any change to the law on succession — only that everything can be handled as it has in the past without any legislative changes. That is how it’s going to be handled anyway. As much as I don’t think Republicans ever deserve to be in power again, the best strategy for Democrats is to win in 2020, with the new WH occupants being people who consent not to run for election next year.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:39:14pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:41:25pm

re: #206 Jebediah, RBG

Hey - did you ever get an answer on your mic question from a few threads back?
I attempted an answer but the thread was long dead so it is the last comment.
Basically it was “get Shure SM57’s”

Thanks. I hadn’t seen a reply the last time I looked. i will look it up.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:42:51pm

re: #206 Jebediah, RBG

Hey - did you ever get an answer on your mic question from a few threads back?
I attempted an answer but the thread was long dead so it is the last comment.
Basically it was “get Shure SM57’s”

I went and looked it up. What do I plug one into?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:44:50pm

re: #207 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

We know DT doesn’t get the best lawyers available — do you suppose they think this is a valid action?

they said so, didn’t they?
DIDN’T THEY???!!!???

O_o

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:47:52pm

Not the cover up I was expecting

Not good.

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BeachDem  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:49:18pm

Something nice to round out the week. My friend Liz still making the media rounds—here with Tamron Hall. Lizzie and Gisele have been on just about every show—Today, CBS Sunday news, Inside Edition, CNN, etc. Such a sweet story (and Liz is amazing!)

Meet The Nurse Who Adopted Unwanted Baby

Meet The Nurse Who Adopted Unwanted Baby

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:49:19pm

re: #213 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Someone in the Sanders campaign stepped on a big shit-covered rake with this.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:51:03pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Someone in the Sanders campaign stepped on a big shit-covered rake with this.

I know no facts at all but I’ll go ahead and blame the lovely David Sirota

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:51:26pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

The point Jonathan is making is understandable; to make impeachment a more acceptable policy it needs to be framed as not overturning the 2016 election through switching the party in power. This can be handled by Pence resigning and someone acceptable, like Grassley taking over the VP; Trump resigning, Grassley promoted, and then Grassley nominating someone acceptable as VP. As much as I would love a President Pelosi, a change in party would provoke too much additional dissension to the impeachment process. But replacing the criminals with two Republicans who have no further ambition would be reasonable (and yes — this is a change from my previous Romney calculations)

The reason it’s an absurd idea is that it presumes the Democrats are operating from a position of weakness when they’re not. If Pelosi wants to be magnanimous when the time comes that’s fine, but if Republican bad faith has taught me anything it’s that the absolute last thing she should do is just preemptively give up that card in the hopes that the GOP will then see reason.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:51:31pm

re: #216 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

I know no facts at all but I’ll go ahead and blame the lovely David Sirota

That’s seems perfectly reasonable to me.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:54:31pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

The reason it’s an absurd idea is that it presumes the Democrats are operating from a position of weakness when they’re not. If Pelosi wants to be magnanimous when the time comes that’s fine, but if Republican bad faith has taught me anything it’s that the absolute last thing she should do is just preemptively give up that card in the hopes that the GOP will then see reason.

IMO getting rid of both Pence and Trump is an unrealistic diversion from the essential task of getting rid of Trump. If Trump gets the boot, let the GOP have a crippled president Pence, with all the charisma of a slime mold. But the price should be no pardons of anyone by Pence while he’s in office.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:54:36pm

re: #216 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

I know no facts at all but I’ll go ahead and blame the lovely David Sirota

Their strategy was correct as strategy.

If they had let it come out HEART ATTACK at the time, it would’ve been big. Headlines for days.

Now it’s just a footnote.

I’m speaking strategy, nothing on being upfront.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:55:47pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

The reason it’s an absurd idea is that it presumes the Democrats are operating from a position of weakness when they’re not. If Pelosi wants to be magnanimous when the time comes that’s fine, but if Republican bad faith has taught me anything it’s that the absolute last thing she should do is just preemptively give up that card in the hopes that the GOP will then see reason.

Agreed, I would fully expect in such a scenario that they would portray her stepping aside as a sign of “weakness” and then vote to acquit anyway simply to spite the Dem leadership. You’d hear rumors within hours that she was doing so not because it would ensure fence-sitting Repubs would vote to convict, but because the party was afraid she’d doomed them by pursuing impeachment and demanded she step down/resign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:56:25pm

re: #213 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Not the cover up I was expecting

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Not good.

yeah…if it was just a couple of stents, he would have been released within a day, if not earlier.
He had a freaking heart attack.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:56:27pm

re: #213 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Not the cover up I was expecting

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Not good.

That’s a three to six month recovery.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:57:16pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

IMO getting rid of both Pence and Trump is an unrealistic diversion from the essential task of getting rid of Trump. If Trump gets the boot, let the GOP have a crippled president Pence, with all the charisma of a slime mold. But the price should be no pardons of anyone by Pence while he’s in office.

There’s no possible way to enforce that. Pence is in this shit up to his tits and is now desperately scrambling for a snorkel. Ideally the impeachment vote should take them both out at once.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:57:43pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

This is the stupidest “hot take” you will see all day. Who the fuck is this blithering idiot?

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This is somewhat similar to what I proposed earlier but there are some important differences. I don’t think Pelosi’s removal is a condition for initiating the process and, in fact, it would be disastrous if the Democrats were somehow stupid enough to pre-emptively offer it. Rather, it is just one weapon they could draw at an appropriate point to speed the process along, most usefully to push Republican hold-outs over the edge when they have been sufficiently weakened.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:58:17pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

Their strategy was correct as strategy.

If they had let it come out HEART ATTACK at the time, it would’ve been big. Headlines for days.

Now it’s just a footnote.

I’m speaking strategy, nothing on being upfront.

Even as strategy, it’s a foolish endeavor. It’s strictly about retaining his supporters with the illusion that he remains in fighting trim and can see out the full 4 year term. But they’re fooling themselves by this point, only the diehards will stay with him going forward. Anybody who was dabbling in supporting him has already moved on or will in coming weeks as his recovery limits his campaign appearances.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:59:00pm

re: #223 Belafon

That’s a three to six month recovery.

His doctors wouldn’t clear him to go back on the campaign trail for a while, right?
Campaigning is brutal

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 3:59:02pm

re: #213 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Yes, but… when we found out that Bernie had a stint put in, one could have guessed that a small heart attack was involved.

Bottom line is that Bernie is now being affected by his age.

Not to pick on him. We all do. I’m being affected by my age now with various small ailment showing up regularly.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:00:10pm

re: #227 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

His doctors wouldn’t clear him to go back on the campaign trail for a while, right?
Campaigning is brutal

Doctors have no control over patients once they are mobile.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:01:23pm

It’s unlikely that Pelosi is interested in being President, but the threat is powerful kryptonite over Republican heads and we need to hang onto it as long as necessary.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:01:25pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

There’s no possible way to enforce that. Pence is in this shit up to his tits and is now desperately scrambling for a snorkel. Ideally the impeachment vote should take them both out at once.

Enforcement of no pardons by Pence is a problem. But it’s also true that the GOP will see everyone in the US and possibly even the world dead before accepting President Pelosi. Removing Trump from office will be difficult enough without adding that to the festivities.

If any Republican takes the presidency after Trump is removed, assuming that happens, preventing the goddamn pardons is a big fucking deal.

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danarchy  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:01:41pm

re: #211 Belafon

I went and looked it up. What do I plug one into?

I missed the original thread, what are you using it for? Generally you would use an xlr cable and connect it to your mixer. If you are using it for something computer based I believe you can get an xlr to usb adapter thing. Been a long time since I did sound setups though. So take that with a grain of salt.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:02:56pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:03:45pm

re: #229 Belafon

Doctors have no control over patients once they are mobile.

He’s done though. His yelling a screaming isn’t going to inspire folks any more it’s going to make folks wonder if Bernie is going to have another heart attack.

I hope he goes back to the Senate to fight, there are chairs there.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:04:16pm

re: #233 Belafon

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Teabag Dome.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:05:01pm

re: #232 danarchy

I missed the original thread, what are you using it for? Generally you would use an xlr cable and connect it to your mixer. If you are using it for something computer based I believe you can get an xlr to usb adapter thing. Been a long time since I did sound setups though. So take that with a grain of salt.

My son and his friends (14 to 15 years old) are forming a band. They have a midi with a computer for a keyboard, a bass, an electric, a sax, and a drummer. They want a couple of mics, and I would like whatever setup to be relatively inexpensive.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:05:16pm

Bernie should drop out for the sake of his health.

But he won’t.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:08:12pm

“Great Mountain of Dung” works well as a description for both Trump and his horrid administration.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:09:20pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

“Great Mountain of Dung” works well as a description for both Trump and his horrid administration.

I am trying to work out a scandal name working in Chicken Kiev some how.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:13:19pm

re: #229 Belafon

Doctors have no control over patients once they are mobile.

When I had back surgery, I went back to work a week before my doctor authorized me to because I felt OK and I was out of leave time.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:13:33pm

Blunderdome!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:14:20pm

re: #240 NO SMOCKING GUN!

When I had back surgery, I went back to work a week before my doctor authorized me to because I felt OK and I was out of leave time.

And did that work out okay or did your back hate you for it?

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:14:36pm

re: #234 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

He’s done though. His yelling a screaming isn’t going to inspire folks any more it’s going to make folks wonder if Bernie is going to have another heart attack.

I hope he goes back to the Senate to fight, there are chairs there.

I agree, and if he tries to campaign, if it doesn’t kill him, he will have a short presidency sadly.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:16:20pm

No BackTalk!!!!
They moved my surgery up a day to Next Tuesday. Looks like 8-10 screws.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:16:27pm

re: #239 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

I am trying to work out a scandal name working in Chicken Kiev some how.

Back to the Gate theme:

Modest Mussorgsky: Great Gate of Kiev from Pictures at an Exhibition. Vancouver Symphony Orchestra.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:16:29pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

IMO getting rid of both Pence and Trump is an unrealistic diversion from the essential task of getting rid of Trump. If Trump gets the boot, let the GOP have a crippled president Pence, with all the charisma of a slime mold. But the price should be no pardons of anyone by Pence while he’s in office.

Thing is the Democrats will have no leverage to prevent a President Pence from issuing pardons. There is zero chance 20 GOP Senators will vote to make Pelosi President, so Pence would be a lame duck President until January 2021, free to pardon whoever he wants.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:19:09pm

re: #246 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Thing is the Democrats will have no leverage to prevent a President Pence from issuing pardons. There is zero chance 20 GOP Senators will vote to make Pelosi President, so Pence would be a lame duck President until January 2021, free to pardon whoever he wants.

And New York will be waiting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:20:35pm

MrBWS had chest pains…he ended up with no stents (because when they tried to do stents, they found one of the arteries completely blocked so got airlifted to the big hospital in Lexington). He ended up with open heart surgery with a single bypass, but no stents.
He was in the hospital the same amount of time as Bernie.

Just saying…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:20:36pm

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:20:58pm

re: #247 Belafon

And New York will be waiting.

Bingo, that’s our Ace up the sleeve; the Trump crime family will have to face justice in NY, unless they flee to Moscow or Riyadh.

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:21:44pm

re: #246 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Thing is the Democrats will have no leverage to prevent a President Pence from issuing pardons. There is zero chance 20 GOP Senators will vote to make Pelosi President, so Pence would be a lame duck President until January 2021, free to pardon whoever he wants.

As GDF aptly points out upthread, it is impossible to ensure no pardons of GOP criminals by an incoming GOP president, assuming Trump gets removed.

The only way to prevent that is to have a Democrat be Trump’s replacement, and having that as a condition would simply ensure rock-solid GOP support for Trump in the Senate. At the rate Trump is flaming out, that might be a good political strategy.

Oddly enough, this is a solid reason that Trump’s legal troubles are likely to be worse if he is voted out of office in 2020 than if he is removed from office via impeachment.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:23:37pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:24:36pm

Another thought on a possible pardon of Trump is this:

If the GOP really does turn on Trump, the party line will instantly become “Trump was a crooked D interloper that has nothing to do with God, Country and Conservatism”. Propping up this lie may require no pardon of Trump by a GOP president.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:25:46pm

Heck of a Friday news dump:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:27:18pm

re: #239 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

I am trying to work out a scandal name working in Chicken Kiev some how.

Pineapple Chicken Kiev

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:31:52pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pineapple Chicken Kiev

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:34:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:34:39pm

re: #256 TedStriker

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so, you’re saying it works as a scandal name!

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:37:28pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, you’re saying it works as a scandal name!

if your goal was to really divide the country…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:38:36pm

thoughts and prayers for our Twin City area lizardz…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:39:25pm

just pathetic

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:40:30pm

Having Gerald Ford as the designated successor was one of the things that smoothed the way for Nixon’s ouster in 1974.
I can see the GOP fatcats of the time sitting around sipping whisky and discussing it:
“Yeah, it’s Jerry’s turn and Nixon’s an asshole anyway, so fuck him.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:43:57pm

I guess I should offer to take one for the team too, being a recovering conservative and all.
I refuse to blow Trump or anyone else but I will offer to do something almost as disgusting and immoral: I will register as a Republican and agree to serve as Vice President if Pence will leave before Cheeto.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:44:49pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I guess I should offer to take one for the team too, being a recovering conservative and all.
I refuse to blow Trump or anyone else but I will offer to do something almost as disgusting and immoral: I will register as a Republican and agree to serve as Vice President if Pence will leave before Cheeto.

I’m already a registered Republican.
I won’t do it.

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plansbandc  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:49:25pm

re: #227 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

He wasn’t going to be the candidate anyway, but he’s officially done now. I do hope he makes a quick recovery though. I don’t have anything against him as a person, just don’t care for his followers.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:55:37pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 4:59:16pm

re: #266 Dread Pirate

The ‘drooling credulity’ defense for Ron Johnson may be absolute here. I’m assuming all he has to do is say he found Trump to be more believable on this point than the US ambassador.

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Skip Intro  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:01:44pm

“Senate Ethics Committee”? Is that some kind of joke?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:01:47pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

The ‘drooling credulity’ defense for Ron Johnson may be absolute here. I’m assuming all he has to do is say he found Trump to be more believable on this point than the US ambassador.

among Johnson’s Senate committee assignments:

Committee on Foreign Relations

Subcommittee on European and Regional Security Cooperation (Chairman)
Subcommittee on Near East, South Asia, Central Asia, and Counterterrorism
Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere, Transnational Crime, Civilian Security, Democracy, Human Rights, and Global Women’s Issues

yeah, sure thing jan…trump was more believable…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:02:31pm

re: #233 Belafon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:04:32pm

re: #270 GlutenFreeJesus

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you will be soooo blocked…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:04:48pm

Different lunatic but the confusion is understandable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:05:32pm

re: #270 GlutenFreeJesus

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you will be blocked like Bernie’s arteries…

sorry, not sorry…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:06:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:06:58pm
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plansbandc  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:07:38pm

re: #274 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Spot on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:08:45pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gee, what does that mean for a lot of actual American citizens who lack health insurance?

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:09:32pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

Deportation.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:09:34pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow, if other countries reciprocate then it’ll show the world how horribly uninsured Americans are.

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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:09:42pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

gee, what does that mean for a lot of actual American citizens who lack health insurance?

Not a darned thing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:09:45pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been trying for months. His shtick is so old and played out.

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austin_blue  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:15:08pm

re: #245 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back to the Gate theme:

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Little known fact: Pictures at an Exhibition was originally written for solo piano. Maurice Ravel orchestrated it. One hell of a symphonic warhorse.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:16:50pm

Figure out how to do this before Monday morning customs guys….
I got a tee time…bye….no collusion!

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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:17:52pm

re: #282 austin_blue

Little known fact: Pictures at an Exhibition was originally written for solo piano. Maurice Ravel orchestrated it. One hell of a symphonic warhorse.

Our college band director at the U of IL adapted the Ravel orchestration for band, and it was just a hella lotta fun to play.

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austin_blue  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:22:53pm

re: #284 retired cynic

Our college band director at the U of IL adapted the Ravel orchestration for band, and it was just a hella lotta fun to play.

Oh, it’s one hell of a show in any format. Loud, brash, funny, majestic. Just fantastic entertainment. Hell of an achievement for a vodka-soaked stumbelbum (not Ravel, Mussorgsky).

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:28:34pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:29:39pm
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:31:57pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

Type of fishing? Not the type I would do.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:33:08pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

Fish wrestling is the new go-to sport in parts of the USA. No one told you?

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:33:59pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

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The Tarpon Tango?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:34:37pm
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austin_blue  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:35:23pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

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I’ve been to that place! It’s a marina down in the Florida Keys where you can hand feed tarpon. Not far from Boisd’arc Key, as I recall (my sister use to live on Largo).

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:35:37pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

I thought one used this type of equipment.
llbean.com

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:36:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:36:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:38:16pm

Iowa teacher placed on leave after ‘sniper rifle’ comment about Thunberg visit

An Iowa teacher has been placed on leave after remarking on Facebook that he did not have his “sniper rifle” for a visit by teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg.

A spokeswoman for Waterloo Community School District confirmed to The Hill that the teacher, identified in local media reports as Matt Baish, had been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.

“The nature of the content shared rose to the level of putting this employee on administrative leave pending an investigation,” Waterloo Community School District spokeswoman Tara Thomas confirmed to The Hill.

“We appreciate your patience as we sort through the details and thank you for respecting the process,” she said.


Baish, who is listed as a science teacher on the Waterloo West High School’s website, was placed on administrative leave after responding to a Facebook post about Thunberg visiting Iowa City this week, a local ABC affiliate reported.

Responding to the post, which asked who was going to the event, the teacher allegedly wrote, “Don’t have my sniper rifle.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:38:19pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

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noodling gone bad

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:38:27pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:38:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:40:59pm
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danarchy  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:42:54pm

re: #236 Belafon

My son and his friends (14 to 15 years old) are forming a band. They have a midi with a computer for a keyboard, a bass, an electric, a sax, and a drummer. They want a couple of mics, and I would like whatever setup to be relatively inexpensive.

Well if they want to do gigs, they would probably need to put together a small PA system. Mixer, amp, speakers etc.

You could get a relatively inexpensive starter kit that comes with a powered mixer a couple speakers and mics for a few hundred bucks with the knowledge that if the band thing sticks they will want to replace every component in pretty short order.

When I did small PA setups, we did a Mackie mixer, Shure mics, JBL Pro speakers, and a Carver amp. That would probably set you back a lot more than you want.

Your best bet may be to search for an all in one PA kit on Amazon with the knowledge they will outgrow it fast if they are really serious about the band thing.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:43:37pm

re: #289 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Fish wrestling is the new go-to sport in parts of the USA. No one told you?

Real fishermen fish for tarpon from a boat and use a rod and reel

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:46:49pm

re: #301 danarchy

Well if they want to do gigs, they would probably need to put together a small PA system. Mixer, amp, speakers etc.

You could get a relatively inexpensive starter kit that comes with a powered mixer a couple speakers and mics for a few hundred bucks with the knowledge that if the band thing sticks they will want to replace every component in pretty short order.

When I did small PA setups, we did a Mackie mixer, Shure mics, JBL Pro speakers, and a Carver amp. That would probably set you back a lot more than you want.

Your best bet may be to search for an all in one PA kit on Amazon with the knowledge they will outgrow it fast if they are really serious about the band thing.

Thanks.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:50:40pm

From April but I am seeing it for the first time.

Hemp is the New Oak: America’s First Hemp “Wood” Factory is Being Built

“HempWood” is 20 percent harder than oak, and grows 100 times as fast. It’s a sustainable alternative for hardwood furniture, flooring and more.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:52:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:53:28pm
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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:53:36pm

re: #305 Belafon

I bet she’s seen her last Hollywood job…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:54:54pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:57:17pm

re: #305 Belafon

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she seems nice.

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being drunk was her excuse? it’s not an excuse but look how bright it is outside, looks like it’s around noon.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:58:00pm

re: #254 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Heck of a Friday news dump:

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I want to see Trump bring it up. No, really.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:58:26pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:58:36pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:58:52pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

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the hills are alive, with the sound of treason!

Everybody loves the mob boss until the second they don’t anymore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 5:59:17pm
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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:00:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:00:37pm

moron is flailing flailing flailing

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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:00:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:03:21pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:07:58pm

Won’t be long before everyone sings and Miller is the only one left to carry Trump’s bags out.

Ivanka, of course, is very concerned and wishes she could have done more…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:08:21pm

Turn off auto-correct. Rely on your brain. Your brain is better than auto-correct.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:08:42pm

I completely agree with John Cole:

What will it take for Republican Senators to turn on Trump?

Electoral pain. Not one of them will stray until someone loses a seat in an election and polling says it is because Trump is toxic.

Donor pain. No one will stray until the big money boys have had enough.

The end.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:09:07pm
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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:09:12pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Turn off auto-correct. Rely on your brain. Your brain is better than auto-correct.

“Use the force, Luke.”

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:10:09pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:10:38pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Turn off auto-correct. Rely on your brain. Your brain is better than auto-correct.

Gret idea

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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:11:57pm
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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:13:47pm

Bolton needs to spill the beans now. Tme to cash in is right now, not a book that will be published a year from now. A year from now in TrumpTIme is a couple of decades

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wrenchwench  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:16:35pm

re: #327 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Bolton needs to spill the beans now. Tme to cash in is right now, not a book that will be published a year from now. A year from now in TrumpTIme is a couple of decades

Assumes the presence of a soul, heretofore not in evidence, your honor. Bolton is lacking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:17:23pm
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:19:52pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

She gave me my favorite food last night. I cannot kill her.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:20:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:21:00pm

re: #330 PhillyPretzel

She gave me my favorite food last night. I cannot kill her.

murder mittens were deployed…but then…cat logic…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:22:53pm

OH MAN

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:23:51pm

re: #331 Belafon

RIP Ms Carroll.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:23:51pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:26:09pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

Nice start, but it ends up in the kind of both-siderist shitpile we expect of media enablers of Republican crimes.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:26:15pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah…if it was just a couple of stents, he would have been released within a day, if not earlier.
He had a freaking heart attack.

Call it a forlorn hope. I didn’t have a heart attack a year ago, and it took them two days to decide what (hadn’t) happened. If everyone wanted to wait with the announcement while there was any possible doubt, I’m not surprised.

(And no, I’m not a Bernie supporter. And I wish him a safe recovery.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:26:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:26:53pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:29:31pm

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since it can never be said too often: Fuck than motherfucker Trump, and fuck all these GOP shitbirds that aid and abet Trump’s crimes because they too are motherfuckers and seeking only to perfect their own evil by learning from their deplorable Master.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:30:42pm
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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:33:17pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m already a registered Republican.
I won’t do it.

Blow Trump, or serve as VP?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:36:07pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

OH MAN

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It’s happening fast. The rats have noticed that the hold is flooded, the captain is insane, and the forecastle is going under.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:36:53pm

re: #343 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s happening fast. The rats have noticed that the hold is flooded, the captain is insane, and the forecastle is going under.

but the strawberries…

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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:37:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:38:56pm
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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:42:32pm

“Clean” was Mike Pence’s “brand.” But like a lot of brands it was just a false front.

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:44:58pm

President Successful Businessman and Vice President Solid Pious Citizen

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MsJ  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:47:32pm

re: #301 danarchy

I’ma big eBay fan especially for something like this. Find some equipment some other band grew out of.

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:48:32pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

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Are you trying to tell me that the guy more religious than the pope & couldn’t be trusted to be left alone with any woman other than his wife turns out to be far worse and more unethical than the average random heathen?

I’m shocked!!

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:49:54pm

The only rightful sentence for Pence is for him to share a cell with Trump……or 6ix9ine.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 6:57:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:00:12pm
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jaunte  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:07:58pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:09:28pm

Don’t want him to die, don’t want him to run for prez.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:09:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:10:15pm

Bernie Sanders is going to have to bow out.

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:11:43pm

re: #357 Charles Johnson

Bernie Sanders is going to have to bow out.

Thing is, will he? While I also agree that Bernie should bow out of the presidential hunt (and maybe even take leave from the Senate for a few weeks to recuperate), I don’t think his ego will let him.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:14:59pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:23:19pm

re: #358 TedStriker

Thing is, will he? While I also agree that Bernie should bow out of the presidential hunt (and maybe even take leave from the Senate for a few weeks to recuperate), I don’t think his ego will let him.

Sometimes the ego is overruled.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:24:07pm

re: #254 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

Heck of a Friday news dump:

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Its been a heckuva friday night!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:27:27pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

The ‘drooling credulity’ defense for Ron Johnson may be absolute here. I’m assuming all he has to do is say he found Trump to be more believable on this point than the US ambassador.

What’s interesting is why did Johnson come forward now? I guess he must’ve been worried about the consequences if it was discovered that he has known for weeks and didn’t come forward!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:29:03pm

LOL

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b.d. (Lock Them Up!)  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:30:51pm

re: #357 Charles Johnson

Bernie Sanders is going to have to bow out.

Imagine Bernie having a heart attack after securing the nomination?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:32:42pm

re: #301 danarchy

I agree with Danarchy on most of this. The Shure SM58 runs about a hundred bucks and is the standard vocal mic at just about any level. You can get a kit from Sweetwater or wherever with a stand and a cable. There are zillions of cheaper knockoffs out there from Peavey, Pyle, Samson, etc. at half the price or less.

If it’s just for playing around in the garage, there’s good chance the guitar amp the kids are using has a 1/4” mic input, too. You’d need a cable that’s XLR female on the mic end and 1/4” male on the amp end. That’s probably enough for starters. If they’re going out and performing, the venue is as likely as not to have its own PA for them to plug into.

Sweetwater’s “sales engineers” are musicians and can walk you through ALL of this if you give them a call. Or you can go to Guitar Center and get cheap stuff from a less expert sales droid.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:32:57pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
The thing about Mitt Romney, as much as I’d like to applaud his mild-ass criticism of Trump, I can’t seem to forget that before Trump, Romney ran one of the most dishonest GOP campaigns in history. He invented “self-deportation.”

Romney is Trump with better hair.

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7:26 PM - Oct 4, 2019

The key political difference — the only difference — is that the Mitt foreign policy would be in line with prior Presidents and he would not be palling around with Putin and other autocrats. The State Department would have remained intact.

However, on a personal level, Mitt’s family life appears to be without reproach. There aren’t any scandals — other than the dog on the car roof — that have touched him.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:33:04pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:39:07pm

re: #321 Belafon

I completely agree with John Cole:

The big money is still pouring in for Trump.When it slows to a trickle we’ll know he’s toast.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:40:45pm

re: #367 Ace-o-aces

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I use to deal with crackpots like this when I was an assistant AG.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:40:58pm

re: #343 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s happening fast. The rats have noticed that the hold is flooded, the captain is insane, and the forecastle is going under.

I feel so broke up, I wanna go home…

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:40:58pm

re: #211 Belafon

I went and looked it up. What do I plug one into?

A recording console or a mixer or an A/D interface you can plug into your computer and record and mix entirely within software

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:43:37pm

re: #211 Belafon

I went and looked it up. What do I plug one into?

I think I may have gotten the wrong idea about what you are trying to do. If you want, tell me what exactly you want to do. If I am not around, there are lots of lizards who can probably advise you netter than I can.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:44:11pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:55:31pm

re: #230 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s unlikely that Pelosi is interested in being President, but the threat is powerful kryptonite over Republican heads and we need to hang onto it as long as necessary.

It’s in the Constitution. GOP can suck it. They made their bed all by themselves and were assholes to everyone else the whole time. They get no favors or concessions.
If it means the Senate doesn’t convict, they all still have to own their votes, which will be harder and harder as Trmp keeps on losing his fucking mind at the top of his lungs.
To boot, I don’t see why the GOP, after welcoming foreign interference and continuing to countenance and even coddle a fucking treasonous vile shitstain national security threat, should get to keep power.
I also recognize that none of that is my call.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 7:58:26pm

re: #232 danarchy

I missed the original thread, what are you using it for? Generally you would use an xlr cable and connect it to your mixer. If you are using it for something computer based I believe you can get an xlr to usb adapter thing. Been a long time since I did sound setups though. So take that with a grain of salt.

Yeah, focusrite makes an afordable interface with two inputs, each will accept XLR or 1/4” and provides a headphone jack for monitoring, plus cones with some DAW software.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2019 • 8:02:14pm

re: #236 Belafon

My son and his friends (14 to 15 years old) are forming a band. They have a midi with a computer for a keyboard, a bass, an electric, a sax, and a drummer. They want a couple of mics, and I would like whatever setup to be relatively inexpensive.

But what are they gonna do with the mikes? Record, or do they want to send it to PA system?
If they are going to record, Focusrite makes affordable recording interfaces that i think also accept MIDI input. Plug the interface into a computer and you can record into Garageband or one of the recording programs that are bundled with it.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2019 • 8:04:18pm

re: #47 b.d. (They’re all guilty as sin)

LOL, so Putin was listening in on the Ukraine call too?

If I had someone compromised, I’d do it too. So who am I to complain.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2019 • 9:34:28pm

re: #301 danarchy

Well if they want to do gigs, they would probably need to put together a small PA system. Mixer, amp, speakers etc.

You could get a relatively inexpensive starter kit that comes with a powered mixer a couple speakers and mics for a few hundred bucks with the knowledge that if the band thing sticks they will want to replace every component in pretty short order.

When I did small PA setups, we did a Mackie mixer, Shure mics, JBL Pro speakers, and a Carver amp. That would probably set you back a lot more than you want.

Your best bet may be to search for an all in one PA kit on Amazon with the knowledge they will outgrow it fast if they are really serious about the band thing.

It’s easier now because sound systems have gotten much more portable and powerful. My band has a Mackie mixer (with USB) a pair of powered cabinets.

For good powered cabinets, look at Guitar Center’s Harbinger powered cabinets. They’re light, powerful and cheap, and if you catch them on sale you’ll get a lot of cabinet for the money. They make cabinets with 10” speakers that are very reasonable and should be enough for a band that’s just starting out.

And since Shure SM-57s have been brought up, Shure now makes a ‘budget’ mic, the PGA48. Starter mics that are cheap enough to buy three for the price of one SM-57.

Good luck to your son. Get a pair of earplugs. :)

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stpaulbear  Oct 4, 2019 • 9:45:33pm

re: #366 Hecuba’s daughter

The key political difference — the only difference — is that the Mitt foreign policy would be in line with prior Presidents and he would not be palling around with Putin and other autocrats. The State Department would have remained intact.

However, on a personal level, Mitt’s family life appears to be without reproach. There aren’t any scandals — other than the dog on the car roof — that have touched him.

Well… if you don’t consider what Bain Capital did to a lot of people’s jobs to be scandalous. The whole purpose of that company was to fuck people over and give the money to rich bastards.


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