Amazing Quality Video: The Who, Live in the Studio - “Who Are You”

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As far as I can tell, all of the shots of these guys performing are totally genuine; they were playing and singing all these parts as they were filmed. It’s amazing and a little sad to see Keith Moon in his prime, chaotic and virtuosic at the same time. He was a force of nature.

“A promo film for The Who’s 1978 single ‘Who Are You’ from the album of the same name. Filmed at The Who’s Ramport Studios in Battersea, London on 4 May 1978 by Jeff Stein Stein for inclusion in his documentary The Kids Are Alright.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 20, 2019 • 5:58:38pm

Thugs.

SANTA MONICA, Calif. - At least one person was detained after a protest against President Donald Trump on the Santa Monica Pier turned chaotic when the demonstrators were assaulted by a pro-Trump crowd, authorities said.

foxla.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 20, 2019 • 5:59:00pm

LOLOLOLOL

sure, Jan…

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Mattand  Oct 20, 2019 • 5:59:33pm

I’m about to watch the video, but based on that still, wasn’t this featured in The Kids Are Alright?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:00:36pm

re: #3 Mattand

I’m about to watch the video, but based on that still, wasn’t this featured in The Kids Are Alright?

Yes, they just released it on YouTube.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:03:03pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL

sure, Jan…

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Which is why Mulvaney said he’s in the hospitality business. If it was that innocent, why weasel out? Oh right, chickenshit coward knows he’s under pressure.

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Mattand  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:04:46pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yes, they just released it on YouTube.

Just out of curiosity, what’s your take on Townshend as a guitar player? I don’t know if “divisive” is the right word, but from what I’ve read, it seems to run the gamut between “one of the best ever” to “okay rhythm guitarist who was better at songwriting.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:05:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:05:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:06:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:08:12pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They don’t listen to anyone but themselves and their narrow worldview.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:13:49pm

Trump cult-followers gotta go somewhere for vacation.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:15:39pm

re: #11 DodgerFan1988

Trump cult-followers gotta go somewhere for vacation.

Because North Korea is totally a vacation destination. Come for the tin-pot dictators, stay because you’re being held hostage to show the world how legit North Korea is.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:16:53pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because North Korea is totally a vacation destination. Come for the tin-pot dictators, stay because you’re being held hostage to show the world how legit North Korea is.

They acutally found something that makes less sense than buying Greenland.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:17:09pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because North Korea is totally a vacation destination. Come for the tin-pot dictators, stay because you’re being held hostage to show the world how legit North Korea is.

Such a great place that 3 generations of your family will never want to leave!

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:18:01pm

re: #14 b.d. (It’s All True)

And wouldn’t be able to leave anyway!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:18:24pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

HOLY FUCKING SHIT PEOPLE THIS IS SO BAD! Barr’s actions here amount to active co-conspiracy with an ongoing criminal enterprise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:18:39pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because North Korea is totally a vacation destination. Come for the tin-pot dictators, stay because you’re being held hostage to show the world how legit North Korea is.

It’s all so fucking absurd. This isn’t diplomacy. This is Trump trying to spread his brand to new places. Makes his crocodile tears for Otto look all the more pathetic. He was willing to create future Ottos so his sleazy brand could make him more.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:20:19pm

Good!

I’d change the word shocked to terrified.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:20:37pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

HOLY FUCKING SHIT PEOPLE THIS IS SO BAD! Barr’s actions here amount to active co-conspiracy with an ongoing criminal enterprise.

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It gets worse the more we know. This is the most corrupt administration ever.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:22:21pm

PSA: If you have a slowish computer and would like to boost your speed, buy a solid state drive to replace your existing hdd. Software exists that will copy the entire contents to the SSD, including the OS, so that the system doesn’t think there’s any difference.

Things just start so fast now in the 12GB i3 my wife bought me last year.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:23:06pm

re: #20 Belafon

PSA: If you have a slowish computer and would like to boost your speed, buy a solid state drive to replace your existing hdd. Software exists that will copy the entire contents to the SSD, including the OS, so that the system doesn’t think there’s any difference.

Things just start so fast now in the 12GB i3 my wife bought me last year.

Realistically, if your computer is less than around 3-4 years old, and doesn’t have an SSD, this is the single biggest performance increase you can make.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:24:15pm

re: #6 Mattand

Just out of curiosity, what’s your take on Townshend as a guitar player? I don’t know if “divisive” is the right word, but from what I’ve read, it seems to run the gamut between “one of the best ever” to “okay rhythm guitarist who was better at songwriting.”

I’ve always loved Pete Townshend’s guitar playing. Not the best 16th-note shredder, but a guy who found a way to make the guitar talk, and that’s what really matters.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:26:58pm
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:27:24pm

lol, what a way to run the USA

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Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:28:17pm

re: #20 Belafon

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Kid gave me a ssdd to do that, but I’m running a Linux partition alongside Windows 10, and I’m leery of screwing the whole thing. I’ve got some down time coming, so I’ll make a study of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:28:48pm

re: #24 b.d. (It’s All True)

lol, what a way to run the USA

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I’m glad what Jeanne Pirro thinks is so important to to our President.//

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William Lewis  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:28:55pm

This has always been my favorite video of theirs. One last moment of joy with all of the 4 of them still together and, as Charles notes, really playing together.

I always loved that an afternoon getting drunk with two of the sex pistols and a cop who knew who he was would be memorialized like this.

Must be a slightly different version or something because I’ve loved it for years.

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William Lewis  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:31:05pm

re: #6 Mattand

Just out of curiosity, what’s your take on Townshend as a guitar player? I don’t know if “divisive” is the right word, but from what I’ve read, it seems to run the gamut between “one of the best ever” to “okay rhythm guitarist who was better at songwriting.”

If I can say, I’ve always found him an inspiration. Not as technically flashy as some, often “just” a rhythm guitarist, but as said, he could make it cry and sing when he wanted to. As a late comer to the guitar, I love his guitar work more than ever.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:31:39pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Kid gave me a ssdd to do that, but I’m running a Linux partition alongside Windows 10, and I’m leery of screwing the whole thing. I’ve got some down time coming, so I’ll make a study of it.

Since its copying the drive, it’s not going to screw with the original. If it doesn’t work, you can just put the original back in.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:34:52pm

re: #29 Belafon

Since its copying the drive, it’s not going to screw with the original. If it doesn’t work, you can just put the original back in.

You will need something to connect the drive to your USB port. Since I have played tech-support for my family, I have one of those kits that allows me to connect any SATA or older drive to my USB by combining the right cables. But they make a simpler straight cable for just SATA drives.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:35:58pm

re: #29 Belafon

Since its copying the drive, it’s not going to screw with the original. If it doesn’t work, you can just put the original back in.

Already screwed up the Linux trying to upgrade to 18LTS. Hate W10, it has no value except that it’s the only thing in the house that will run Civ4, but I’m stuck with it until I install the ssdd and a clean Linux.

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makeitstop  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:38:32pm

So many cool little things in that video - Ox’s Explorer bass with a Fender neck, the ancient (now, not then) Conn Strobotuner on the table in the shots of Pete, Moonie with his headphones duct taped to his head. They were some crew, excellent video.

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ckkatz  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:42:48pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

Already screwed up the Linux trying to upgrade to 18LTS. Hate W10, it has no value except that it’s the only thing in the house that will run Civ4, but I’m stuck with it until I install the ssdd and a clean Linux.

Didn’t realized that there were other Civ4 fans here. I’m just about to start a game myself.

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makeitstop  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:43:14pm

re: #27 William Lewis

This has always been my favorite video of theirs. One last moment of joy with all of the 4 of them still together and, as Charles notes, really playing together.

I always loved that an afternoon getting drunk with two of the sex pistols and a cop who knew who he was would be memorialized like this.

Must be a slightly different version or something because I’ve loved it for years.

Definitely a different version from the album - even the synth part is different, as is Daltrey’s vocal and the lead guitar bits.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:46:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:49:43pm

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Realistically, if your computer is less than around 3-4 years old, and doesn’t have an SSD, this is the single biggest performance increase you can make.

It’s also worth checking to see if your computer has an M.2 / PCIe drive slot that was never used. That will give you another massive boost over a SATA connected SSD. My Dad’s old 2013 27inch iMac has one that I’m going to use to upgrade his computer for Christmas. The only annoying drawback is that because of the iMac design this is going to involve a near total teardown. I might just pay my local computer tech to do it for sheer peace of mind and so I’ll have someone else to blame if it gets fucked up.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:50:08pm

re: #33 ckkatz

Didn’t realized that there were other Civ4 fans here. I’m just about to start a game myself.

I use it to bribe myself to keep pedalling the hamster bike. When I’m disciplined enough, that’s about 5 hours a week. I’m trying to tie in with the grandkid in Denver via internet.

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uncah91  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:53:15pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I’ve always loved Pete Townshend’s guitar playing. Not the best 16th-note shredder, but a guy who found a way to make the guitar talk, and that’s what really matters.

I think if you listen to Live at Leeds you hear Pete taking the measure of every big guitarist of his day and doing what they do just a little better. Maybe that’s me, though.

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uncah91  Oct 20, 2019 • 6:59:01pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

It’s also worth checking to see if your computer has an M.2 / PCIe drive slot that was never used. That will give you a massive boost over a SATA connected SSD. My Dad’s old 2013 27inch iMac has one that I’m going to use to upgrade his computer for Christmas. The only annoying drawback is that because of the iMac design this is going to involve a near total teardown. I might just pay my local computer tech to do it for sheer peace of mind and so I’ll have someone else to blame if it gets fucked up.

Careful with this.

The least expensive M2.PCIe drives aren’t really suitable to be OS drives, as they will a) start slowing down massively if they get full, b) degrade under too many Write cycles. The least expensive PCIe drives work great as a repository for your software though, as load times will be nonexistent (and you won’t re-write the software very much).

If you are improving a much older PC, you probably aren’t going to find it worth it to shell out for the top end PCIe drives. Just a thought.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:09:22pm

Tornado in Dallas just north of Love Field.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:14:46pm

I didn’t know Rooney had announced he wouldn’t be seeking re-election

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:15:42pm

re: #40 b.d. (It’s All True)

Tornado in Dallas just north of Love Field.

I’m in Rockwall, and the thunder is just constant out here.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:16:25pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I didn’t know Rooney had announced he wouldn’t be seeking re-election

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He first announced he was open to impeachment, and then the next day announced his retirement.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:17:12pm

re: #43 Belafon

He woke up with a horse head in his bed.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:18:52pm

Constant thunder is not a very good sign out here.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:20:57pm

re: #42 Belafon

I’m in Rockwall, and the thunder is just constant out here.

Downtown Fort Worth here and we had a big lightning show. Keep aware, this stuff is headed your way!

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Dave In Austin  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:22:33pm

re: #45 Belafon

No joke there. We have a small cell forming over us as I type

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:23:12pm

Re: The Who video

Daaaammmmnnn!

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Citizen K  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:24:18pm

The main takeaway I couldn’t help but take from that Who video is that, if they ever made a Who movie in the vein of Bohemian Rhapsody, I will be very disappointed if John Oliver does not play Keith Moon.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:26:00pm

re: #47 Dave In Austin

No joke there. We have a small cell forming over us as I type

This is October, right?

Be safe DiA

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makeitstop  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:28:38pm

re: #38 uncah91

I think if you listen to Live at Leeds you hear Pete taking the measure of every big guitarist of his day and doing what they do just a little better. Maybe that’s me, though.

That album gets my vote for greatest live album ever recorded (second place goes to Humble Pie’s Rockin’ the Fillmore). That was The Who at the height of their powers.

What was amazing to me is how small the Leeds Refectory actually was! Listening to the album, it sounds as though the crowd was a great distance from the stage, but it turns out that they just didn’t put any mics out to get the crowd noise.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:28:44pm

Tornado warning box SE of Ft Worth.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:30:13pm

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NetworkKed  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:35:12pm

If you have some time and are willing to have an adventure, try building your own PC.

This used to be a nightmare to try to do in the 90’s - you’d need someone to make sure that your motherboard and processor matched and cases and cables were universally awful. These days, there are sites which will work out the ugly integration details for you and make sure everything is compatible.

I’ve used pcpartpicker.com for several systems. Basically you pick what you want, and it shops it for you from ten or so well-regarded sources. (Notably Amazon. The last system I assembled I got everything there except memory.)

The parts come in the mail, and you assemble them. Easy easy.

If you’ve never assembled a computer before, my advice is to go with something mid-tower size or larger, and to get more power supply wattage than you think you need. The worst headache these days is sorting relative processor speeds - Intel and AMD have completely obfuscated the naming systems - I long for 2002 when basically you’d just compare clock speeds. At least with video cards there aren’t so many top-end options.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:37:46pm

re: #53 Dread Pirate

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52,000 without power and the tornado north of that shot has been on the ground for half an hour.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:38:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:41:34pm
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retired cynic  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:44:37pm

re: #57 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think we all could have said that.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:48:03pm

re: #58 retired cynic

I think we all could have said that.

a couple of years ago too

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:48:50pm

re: #59 b.d. (It’s All True)

Thirty years ago.

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BeachDem  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:50:18pm

re: #18 b.d. (It’s All True)

Good!

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I’d change the word shocked to terrified.

And so far Maggie’s only tweeted FIVE TIMES with the glamour shot of the Doral with her clickbait comments about the story.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:52:43pm

Didn’t he just close a deal to build condos and shopping center at Trump International Golf in Scotland?

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:54:10pm

re: #61 BeachDem

And so far Maggie’s only tweeted FIVE TIMES with the glamour shot of the Doral with her clickbait comments about the story.

Have to woo those canceled subscribers back with something.

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uncah91  Oct 20, 2019 • 7:55:16pm

re: #54 NetworkKed

pcpartpicker is great. Going to the subreddit r/buildapc is a great place to start for a template on building a rig.

Really, it’s very, very doable to assemble your own rig these days. If you have even a modicum of comfort with this stuff, it’s so much less expensive than buying off the shelf.

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Mattand  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:01:42pm

re: #28 William Lewis

If I can say, I’ve always found him an inspiration. Not as technically flashy as some, often “just” a rhythm guitarist, but as said, he could make it cry and sing when he wanted to. As a late comer to the guitar, I love his guitar work more than ever.

Totally agree.

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Mattand  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:06:12pm

re: #38 uncah91

I think if you listen to Live at Leeds you hear Pete taking the measure of every big guitarist of his day and doing what they do just a little better. Maybe that’s me, though.

Not just you. I bought the extended version of Live at Leeds on iTunes a few years back, which features their performance of Tommy that’s not present the vinyl version. It’s on semi-constant loop on my phone. I’d love to be able play with a quarter of that skill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:07:42pm

re: #62 Dread Pirate

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Didn’t he just close a deal to build condos and shopping center at Trump International Golf in Scotland?

Or his sister something with China.

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Citizen K  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:10:06pm
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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:10:07pm
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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:12:09pm

re: #68 Citizen K

A portal to Hell.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:14:37pm

re: #52 Dread Pirate

Tornado warning box SE of Ft Worth.

We’ve had a couple of reports of touch downs here in Rockwall on the north side of town. There’s been about four of five reports of tornadoes in the Metroplex.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:14:39pm

re: #68 Citizen K

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The Door To Hell.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:18:20pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:21:12pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:22:50pm

Caddo Mills has a power outage. At George Bush and Merrit, multiple homes damaged.

Taken from someone on the north side of town:

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:25:19pm

Here’s an interesting picture. The red/pink area where it says Royal Lane was actually the debris field being picked up by the radar:

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:25:26pm

re: #75 Belafon

Caddo Mills has a power outage. At George Bush and Merrit, multiple homes damaged.

Taken from someone on the north side of town:

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Saw that on Channel 11, that is some scary stuff.

Glad you’re safe, we’ll wait and see what the dawn brings.

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:27:04pm

re: #76 Belafon

Stay safe.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:29:32pm

Damage in Dallas:

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:31:30pm
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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:33:32pm

re: #80 jaunte

That looks familiar: #75.

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:34:01pm

re: #81 Belafon

I’m new!

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:35:15pm

re: #80 jaunte

We Metroplex Lizards need to plan a get together.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:36:28pm

re: #82 jaunte

I’m new!

A guy at work likes to say “It’s my first day.” He’s been there 12 years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:36:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:38:46pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

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I would need a quart of insulin to handle that!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:43:00pm

What’s the White House staff gonna do when they can no longer hide Trump’s increasingly deteriorating mental state? Stop him from throwing his little rallies? Good luck with that when he’s campaigning for re-election. Prevent him from making his little impromptu pressers near Marine One? Lock him out of his Twitter account? Heh….Trump won’t stand for that, not one iota.

As the stress continues to ratchet up, it’s more likely than not that someday in the not-too-distant future, we’re going to see a massive public meltdown, one so bad that it’ll shake some of his supporters (not the hardcore supporters, mind you - nothing will shake them as they’re basically hopelessly subsumed in a personality cult at this point, the GOP’s answer to the LaRouche movement).

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:44:14pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

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So many questions.

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:46:02pm

House-spun.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:46:07pm

re: #87 Dr Lizardo

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What’s the White House staff gonna do when they can no longer hide Trump’s increasingly deteriorating mental state? Stop him from throwing his little rallies? Good luck with that when he’s campaigning for re-election. Prevent him from making his little impromptu pressers near Marine One? Lock him out of his Twitter account? Heh….Trump won’t stand for that, not one iota.

As the stress continues to ratchet up, it’s more likely than not that someday in the not-too-distant future, we’re going to see a massive public meltdown, one so bad that it’ll shake some of his supporters (not the hardcore supporters, mind you - nothing will shake them as they’re basically hopelessly subsumed in a personality cult at this point, the GOP’s answer to the LaRouche movement).

Fortunately for him, being Donald Trump doesn’t require a whole lot of brain power. He goes to some city, babbles incoherently for 1 1/2 hours, Tweets a little, and goes golfing.

Now, actually BEING President, taking the office and the responsibility seriously, THAT takes a lot of brain power. But that’s now how he does it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:47:02pm

re: #88 jaunte

So many questions.

But mostly, “WHY?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:54:55pm

“…outside the phone call…” ?

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jaunte  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:57:43pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

Are these the special Lindsey Rules of Evidence?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:58:49pm

re: #93 jaunte

Are these the special Lindsey Rules of Evidence?

Yes, they’re the IOKIYAR rules!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 20, 2019 • 8:59:06pm

re: #93 jaunte

Are these the special Lindsey Rules of Evidence?

It reminds me of “What have the Romans ever done for US?”

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:17:58pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

“…outside the phone call…” ?

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They shouldn’t have convicted Charles Manson since he didn’t kill himself. //

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:18:31pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:19:03pm

They called CERT together here in Rockwall because there was damage in the North side of town. We’re not entirely sure where we’re going yet, though.

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plansbandc  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:45:10pm

Charlie informed me that I am boring and shitty. I told him to go fuck himself.

That sucked. I hope he finds a good place in his sobriety, but Jesus Christ he was an asshole to me.

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teleskiguy  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:46:56pm

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plansbandc  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:49:45pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

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Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2019 • 9:55:28pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

“…outside the phone call…” ?

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Yeah, it’s interesting that after weeks of insisting there was nothing in the phone call that indicated a quid pro quo was being sought, Leningrad Lindsey is now specifying “outside the call.” As a former JAG, you’d think he’d understand that making the request in the call itself is a criminal act.

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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 10:03:40pm

This is the Home Depot near 75 on Forest in Dallas:

Shredded
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Belafon  Oct 20, 2019 • 10:08:08pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 20, 2019 • 10:19:35pm

re: #104 Belafon

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Not to worry, they’ll have long futures on the wingnut welfare circuit, provided they remember never to present their association with Donny as a negative thing.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 20, 2019 • 10:24:28pm

Off to work. Back later.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:10:25pm

This time of year I dislike all the santa-ana weather. Hot and dry during the day, cold and dry at night.

One good thing about fall, though, is that the avocado harvest is in down in Mexico and as such avocados are quite inexpensive here. This week I bought three for 44¢ each.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:14:13pm

Adios Latinos, Pascal Jugy

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:19:42pm

Moron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:41:11pm

re: #6 Mattand

Just out of curiosity, what’s your take on Townshend as a guitar player? I don’t know if “divisive” is the right word, but from what I’ve read, it seems to run the gamut between “one of the best ever” to “okay rhythm guitarist who was better at songwriting.”

He had his own unique style, I know lots of shit-hot guitarists who sound pretty much like any other shit-hot guitarist.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:49:15pm

Heh.

“Trump is pulling in and out of Syria more than he pulled in and out of Stormy Daniels.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:53:41pm

re: #111 Dread Pirate

Heh.

“Trump is pulling in and out of Syria more than he pulled in and out of Stormy Daniels.”

and he is getting spanked on the ass a hot harder than Stormy ever did

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Dread Pirate  Oct 20, 2019 • 11:58:22pm

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and he is getting spanked on the ass a hot harder than Stormy ever did

Well played, sir.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:03:11am

re: #113 Dread Pirate

Well played, sir.

with a rolled-up copy of the US Criminal Code…

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:05:26am

re: #54 NetworkKed

If you have some time and are willing to have an adventure, try building your own PC.

This used to be a nightmare to try to do in the 90’s - you’d need someone to make sure that your motherboard and processor matched and cases and cables were universally awful. These days, there are sites which will work out the ugly integration details for you and make sure everything is compatible.

I’ve used pcpartpicker.com for several systems. Basically you pick what you want, and it shops it for you from ten or so well-regarded sources. (Notably Amazon. The last system I assembled I got everything there except memory.)

The parts come in the mail, and you assemble them. Easy easy.

If you’ve never assembled a computer before, my advice is to go with something mid-tower size or larger, and to get more power supply wattage than you think you need. The worst headache these days is sorting relative processor speeds - Intel and AMD have completely obfuscated the naming systems - I long for 2002 when basically you’d just compare clock speeds. At least with video cards there aren’t so many top-end options.

I had not heard of them. I will need to check them out. Thanks for the tip!

I have been building my own desktops since the 1990’s. In the past 20 years I really do not feel that I have saved much money on any initial build.

It is on the repairs, rebuilds, and upgrades that I can save money, time and aggravation. Particularly when the primary disk fails.

I also like the feeling of confidence that when something craps out, I usually can fix it.

One thing that I did was get a really large tower that allowed me to remove the sides. On previous towers I used to cut up my hands on sharp edges trying to fit in various boards.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:07:18am

re: #115 ckkatz

I have been building my own desktops since the 1990’s. In the past 20 years I really do not feel that I have saved much money on any initial build.

It is on the repairs, rebuilds, and upgrades that I can save money, time and aggravation. Particularly when the primary disk fails.

I also like the feeling of confidence that when something craps out, I usually can fix it.

My computer nut buddies would never think of buying something off the rack…

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:12:33am

re: #115 ckkatz

I’ve never bought a factory system since I built my first Pentium. I can’t build cheaper, but I do build better.

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:15:26am

re: #37 Decatur Deb

I use it to bribe myself to keep pedalling the hamster bike. When I’m disciplined enough, that’s about 5 hours a week. I’m trying to tie in with the grandkid in Denver via internet.

You are a lot more disciplined than I am about Civ4. When I start a game, it is often hard to put it down. Even though a good game can easily go 15 hours.

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:24:58am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My computer nut buddies would never think of buying something off the rack…

I agree with that feeling. That of not surrendering control of one’s fate to to some corporate foisted lowest cost hairball.

Do not know if it is still true, but some companies would solder everything to the motherboard so when something failed, the sucker, er… customer… would have to buy a completely new system.

And often the components could be hinky if used in any way beyond how the original company set them up. So one was completely at the mercy of the vendor.

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:26:38am

re: #117 Dread Pirate

I’ve never bought a factory system since I built my first Pentium. I can’t build cheaper, but I do build better.

You have summed up perfectly my feeling about building desktop systems.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:26:41am

re: #117 Dread Pirate

I’ve never bought a factory system since I built my first Pentium. I can’t build cheaper, but I do build better.

I should say, “I won’t build cheaper.”

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:47:17am

One thought on Lindsey Graham. And, as always, ymmv.

I am fairly certain that he is well aware of reality. Including the criminality of the Trump administration.

To me, the measure of this man is that he is quite willing to trade the lives, well being, and future of his fellow Americans, as well as those of the poor slobs, like the Kurds and Central Americans who believed and trusted in the word of the American government, for some reactionary judges and the diversion of the US Treasury to his billionaire oligarch overlords.

The lying, toadying and false drama are just thrown in as extras.

Interestingly, he also seems to be looking quite carefully at the polls. And realizing that this grift may be coming to an end.

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ckkatz  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:49:11am

And that’s it for me.

To the rest of the night shift - Good Night!

To the morning shift - Good Morning!

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 12:54:24am

re: #122 ckkatz

Lindsay is owned by Russian kompromat handed to Trump by his handler.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2019 • 1:05:34am

re: #124 Dread Pirate

Lindsay is owned by Russian kompromat handed to Trump by his handler.

He is allowed to make the occasional critical comment like the other never-Trumpers, but just go back and check their voting records…

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 1:16:55am

I was just reading the web and watching last night’s PD live episode and I looked over and the police were talking to this old man. I thought he was a drunk or something but he was out practicing his martial arts. He was impressive. I wish there was more than a GIF of his routine.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 1:42:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2019 • 2:16:07am

Thread

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Dave In Austin  Oct 21, 2019 • 3:08:26am

Happy Monday!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 21, 2019 • 4:00:37am

Greenland melt-year almost over, there were several highly anomalous events this year:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 21, 2019 • 4:10:23am

…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 21, 2019 • 5:02:05am

Don Rickles Hilarious Interview | The Dick Cavett Show

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 5:59:41am

re: #127 Dread Pirate

Because Barr doesn’t believe in Republican abuse of power.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:03:04am

re: #32 makeitstop

So many cool little things in that video - Ox’s Explorer bass with a Fender neck, the ancient (now, not then) Conn Strobotuner on the table in the shots of Pete, Moonie with his headphones duct taped to his head. They were some crew, excellent video.

And John with the ciggie in his hand smoking all the while he’s doing the background vocals…

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Teukka  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:06:39am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Because Barr doesn’t believe in Republican abuse of power.

“It’s not abuse of power when we do it” excuse?

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:07:52am

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:08:43am

re: #135 Teukka

“It’s not abuse of power when we do it” excuse?

That’s the only thing I can think. He thought Clinton should be impeached yet he’s totally gone above and beyond covering and now even doing crimes for Trump. I hope he spends time in prison and gets disbarred permanently.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:09:30am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s another stinker of a day in the Middle East, as US troops are withdrawing from Syria to go to Iraq to fight ISIS, which is resurgent thanks in large part to Trump’s disastrous and impetuous decision to hang the Kurds out to dry and give Turkey what it wants without getting anything in return for our security and safety.

Fighting ISIS in Iraq. Let that sink in. We spent years in Iraq fighting terror groups, losing thousands of troops in the process. We helped the Kurds who shouldered that burden in Syria, and helped contain the threat to the region. Trump pulls the plug, and ISIS breaks out of prisons by the thousands, reengergizing the terror group because Kurds had to choose between protecting prisons against breakout, or Turks engaging in ethnic cleansing.

So, the Kurds are no longer our allies, because Trump threw them under the bus.
We’re back in Iraq. And Turkey and Russia get what they want at no extra cost.

Curious thing though.

Where’s the SOFA with Iraq? What exactly are the rules of engagement there and what protections do our troops have if Iraqis authorities seek to prosecute our troops for acts there? No one seems to know the answer, and no one has asked the question of Trump or Esper or anyone else who should know.

The whole reason the US withdrew from Iraq was over the failure to get a renewed SOFA that absolved liability for our troops there - protected them against local prosecution with our troops subject only to UCMJ action. That timetable was set under GWB and carried out under Obama.

Trump sends our troops into Iraq… but what are the terms and conditions. This seems highly relevant (as is the fact that we now have more troops in the region than when Trump first took office).

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:09:36am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:12:50am

re: #139 Belafon

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She’s of course right but just her speaking brings so many damn people into a frenzy not just on the Trumpian right. We would be wise to listen to her. She after all was the direct target of the meddling. Not Bernie. Not Biden. Her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:15:03am

Just learned that my near (half-mile or so) neighbor Bill had a stroke and died last night. I had few dealings with him because he openly hated blacks, Hispanics and gay people, and believed that all women (including his mother and his unfortunate wife) were whores whose lives were built around peddling pussy in one way or another. Oh, he also hated dogs and cats. Oddly he did not profess to hate Jews. He did think they were shifty and greedy but those were good things to him. He was a proud Republican and a devoted supporter of President Trump. I don’t believe in speaking ill of the dead but JFC, there is a limit to everything. Good riddance.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:15:23am

re: #122 ckkatz

One thought on Lindsey Graham. And, as always, ymmv.

I am fairly certain that he is well aware of reality. Including the criminality of the Trump administration.

To me, the measure of this man is that he is quite willing to trade the lives, well being, and future of his fellow Americans, as well as those of the poor slobs, like the Kurds and Central Americans who believed and trusted in the word of the American government, for some reactionary judges and the diversion of the US Treasury to his billionaire oligarch overlords.

The lying, toadying and false drama are just thrown in as extras.

Interestingly, he also seems to be looking quite carefully at the polls. And realizing that this grift may be coming to an end.

Graham of 1999 would have already prosecuted and removed Trump, had Trump been a registered Democrat instead of a Republican.

Graham, applying the same 1999 standards, should be calling for impeachment and removal. But he’s still claiming that there’s some other act that would take him over the edge to consider impeachment of Trump. It’s always just out of reach for Graham. It’s all bulkshit and the measure of Graham is that he’s a typical GOPer who puts party over nation, and the consequences be damned.

Trump is an unindicted coconspirator on federal felonies in the Cohen case. But for DOJ rules, Trump would have been indicted for that.

Trump engaged in widespread obstruction of justice as per Mueller - 10+ instances.

Others in Trumpworld took the 5th (as reported by media this weekend). We should have been given the names of those who took the 5th, and that should have ratcheted up the pressure for impeachment and resignation of those involved because of the criminal misconduct across Trumpworld.

Others around Trump from before the election to now engaged in widespread criminal misconduct, ranging from election fraud and FARA violations to garden variety graft and corruption. Everyone was out to fleece taxpayers, and Trump’s emoluments violations are a constant presence.

What exactly is Graham waiting for? Trump to murder someone on 5th Avenue before finally saying enough is enough?

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:15:52am

re: #139 Belafon

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I’m sure it’s been said
Hillary didn’t mention anyone by name
And yet here we are

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Teukka  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:16:25am

Just a heads up to y’all…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:17:43am

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Just learned that my near (half-mile or so) neighbor Bill had a stroke and died last night. I had few dealings with him because he openly hated blacks, Hispanics and gay people, and believed that all women (including his mother and his unfortunate wife) were whores whose lives were built around peddling pussy in one way or another. Oh, he also hated dogs and cats. Oddly he did not profess to hate Jews. He did think they were shifty and greedy but those were good things to him. He was a proud Republican and a devoted supporter of President Trump. I don’t believe in speaking ill of the dead but JFC, there is a limit to everything. Good riddance.

Sounds like that quote from Clarence Darrow:

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:23:00am
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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:25:50am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

That’s the only thing I can think. He thought Clinton should be impeached yet he’s totally gone above and beyond covering and now even doing crimes for Trump. I hope he spends time in prison and gets disbarred permanently.

Democrats would win more if the GOP couldn’t convince people that every politician is corrupt.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:35:41am

re: #147 Belafon

Democrats would win more if the GOP couldn’t convince people that every politician is corrupt.

That is how they win. They win by convincing stupid people “they’re all corrupt so I may as well vote for the one that’s “honest” about it.” I just can’t deal with these people anymore realistically. I won’t get mad but I’m distressed that a good chunk of our population looks at this and thinks this administration is not only ethical and normal but upstanding.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:37:17am
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jeffreyw  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:45:07am

Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:52:51am

re: #149 lawhawk

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How so many people buy this liar not only as telling the truth but the best president we’ve had in a long time gives me a lot of internal pain.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:56:13am

re: #70 Belafon

A portal to Hell.

Or maybe a portal to a saner dimension.

I can dream, right?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 21, 2019 • 6:57:17am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

How so many people buy this liar not only as telling the truth but the best president we’ve had in a long time gives me a lot of internal pain.

The end result of 40 years of the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:00:37am

re: #153 Joe Bacon 🌹

The end result of 40 years of the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine.

I wish I could agree it was that simple. In the Bush years, I definitely saw I had a difference of perspective but with these people it’s a difference of basic truths. It’s gotten worse. And yeah right wing media has aided it for sure but I think it’s in how we process information too. I’m distressed in any case.

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:01:28am

The principals of the Mossack Fonseca law firm, at the heart of the Panama Papers scandal, attempted to stop Netflix from streaming “The Laundromat,” a fictionalized account of the discovery of the perfidy of the law firm. The federal district court in Connecticut bounced the case, saying it was the wrong venue, and sent it to California.

Neither of the principals, Jurgen Mossack and Ramon Fonseca, have American law degrees. Had they been educated in American law schools, or even done five minutes of research, they would have known that short of nuclear bomb secrets, no court is going to implement a pre-publication ban.

variety.com

I can’t confirm but I believe Mossack and Fonseca are currently under arrest in Panama. They’re accused of being involved in the Lava Jato (Car Wash) scandal that has shaken so many countries in Central and South America and may have been involved in the car bomb murder of Maltese journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia.

The law firm, Mossack Fonseca, is out of business, but the movie started streaming on Netflix last Friday.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:05:01am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I wish I could agree it was that simple. In the Bush years, I definitely saw I had a difference of perspective but with these people it’s a difference of basic truths. It’s gotten worse. And yeah right wing media has aided it for sure but I think it’s in how we process information too. I’m distressed in any case.

At some level, they know Trump is tearing things apart. But they chose him, and since admitting they are wrong is the hardest thing to do, they are reacting by being more and more delusional in their thinking. Forget rearranging deck chairs, they’re trying to scoop the water out with teacups.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:08:34am

re: #156 Belafon

Trumpworld reveals the GOP to be the craven cowards we all knew them to be all along.

The GOP is doing precisely dick about the situation they’re supposedly horrified about. No. They wont do a goddamned thing unless their internal polling shows them losing the Senate, the statehouses, and local level elections by tsunami levels.

We need to make sure that happens. And that means making sure that Democrats aren’t distracted by useful idiots like Tulsi, amplifiers like Jill Stein, and purity ponies who claim that they wont support the nominee if it isn’t their chosen one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:10:43am

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:15:18am

re: #157 lawhawk

Trumpworld reveals the GOP to be the craven cowards we all knew them to be all along.

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The GOP is doing precisely dick about the situation they’re supposedly horrified about. No. They wont do a goddamned thing unless their internal polling shows them losing the Senate, the statehouses, and local level elections by tsunami levels.

We need to make sure that happens. And that means making sure that Democrats aren’t distracted by useful idiots like Tulsi, amplifiers like Jill Stein, and purity ponies who claim that they wont support the nominee if it isn’t their chosen one.

I’ve said again and again that what we’re seeing is the creation of the myth of the “Good Republican,” the fanciful image of a Republican politician/voter who was so repulsed by Trump that they wanted him gone in the worst way, but yet there was always a “reason” why they could not do so. And you’re right, they won’t abandon him until the polls show that their own seats are imperiled. But even that will require someone to step forward and be the sacrificial vote, be the one who will take upon themselves willingly the role of lightning rod in order to give the others cover to vote to kick his ass out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:18:37am

We’re in a post truth world. That’s all I can figure out. It’s why I don’t need to be talked down to like a child and told “Oh we should just try to get along.” There are facts in this world and Trump and his allies in the media and elected government have created a distortion between the truth and lies. Obama literally starts out his administration with double digit unemployment. He cuts that in half and the cultist Trumpists convince themselves that we were in 1933 before Trump came in. Our reputation has never been worse abroad and among our allies. Trump tells them that everyone laughed at us. The military high command is worried about discipline. Trump literally tells us that our guns were out of ammo before he came on. How do you recover from someone like that? I hate to say it but it’s not going to be for a long time and I don’t know the solution.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:24:37am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

The problem is that about 40% of Americans prefer to live in their own subjective reality because objective or empirical reality is too distressing for them.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:28:23am

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

re: #160 HappyWarrior

On FB MAGAs complain about fact checker left wing bias. Of course, I just point out if the President and GOP would simply lie less, they would not headlining at Snopes and Factcheck so damn frequently. “They are attacking the President” they say. Yes, I say just like firefighters attack a fire. It’s not two sides. It’s an effing FIRE.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:29:52am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

This. Exactly this.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:31:07am

re: #163 lawhawk

This. Exactly this.

Thanks man.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:32:00am

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

The problem is that about 40% of Americans prefer to live in their own subjective reality because objective or empirical reality is too distressing for them.

Right, my question is how does a society survive like that long term?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:34:05am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

On FB MAGAs complain about fact checker left wing bias. Of course, I just point out if the President and GOP would simply lie less, they would not headlining at Snopes and Factcheck so damn frequently. “They are attacking the President” they say. Yes, I say just like firefighters attack a fire. It’s not two sides. It’s an effing FIRE.

My frustration is how they just distort. A long time friend of mine called out Trump on everything and some of his friends including some people I’ve known for years said the usual excuses. I pointed out the usual crtiques about Trump. One of them went “Well he’s taken out of context.” A friend of a friend pointed out the infamous pussy grab line and he goes “Well we all have said something like that in private.” Nevermind that he just excuses Trump for “being taken out of context.” Never the hell mind that Trump tried to deny he said it. As I said, it’s a post truth world. They can’t accept they elected the worst individual this country has ever had as PResident.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:34:26am

Let me just say, thank y’all. Thank y’all so much. This place keeps me sane.

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fern01  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:37:02am

re: #18 b.d. (It’s All True)

Good!

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I’d change the word shocked to terrified.

Well Maggie Haberman has supported his every last move, so why wouldn’t he think the NYT would support his resort & explain to everyone why it was such a good idea. I hope the next admiistration refuses to have anything to do with Haberman & the NYT

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:42:05am

re: #168 fern01

Well Maggie Haberman has supported his every last move, so why wouldn’t he think the NYT would support his resort & explain to everyone why it was such a good idea. I hope the next admiistration refuses to have anything to do with Haberman & the NYT

Maggie’s only been a small amount of the support the NYT has given Trump over others.

Did you see that they buried the State Department clearing Clinton on her emails on page 6 of the paper?

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:43:07am

There will be no #greatpoolpondconversion update from this weekend

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:45:44am

Trump’s razor sharp memory comes into focus yet again….

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:46:57am

re: #169 Belafon

Maggie’s only been a small amount of the support the NYT has given Trump over others.

Did you see that they buried the State Department clearing Clinton on her emails on page 16 of the paper?

Small fix there. They buried it like they were trying to hide Hoffa’s body. Because running it anywhere near the front page would have been a major black eye for the paper that spent the entire run-up Nov 2016 screaming “HILLARY IS A LYING CHEAT!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:47:55am

re: #171 lawhawk

Trump’s razor sharp memory comes into focus yet again….

Another thing “straight shooter” Trump lied about. It never ends.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:48:06am

But they’re not doing business overseas. Right? Right?

Everything Trump does is about his business overseas; expanding opportunities to profit from his position.

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:49:59am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

It’s all so fucking absurd. This isn’t diplomacy. This is Trump trying to spread his brand to new places. Makes his crocodile tears for Otto look all the more pathetic. He was willing to create future Ottos so his sleazy brand could make him more.

..make money any way he can

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:51:35am

re: #174 lawhawk

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But they’re not doing business overseas. Right? Right?

Everything Trump does is about his business overseas; expanding opportunities to profit from his position.

How can you have a 360 degree view if there is a tower directly across from you?

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:54:17am

re: #174 lawhawk

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But they’re not doing business overseas. Right? Right?

Everything Trump does is about his business overseas; expanding opportunities to profit from his position.

According to the report, “Trump constantly brags about his properties around the globe when he speaks with foreign leaders in person or by phone, even more than the public instances witnessed out in the open, according to three people familiar with Trump’s conversations with foreign officials. The remarks are permeating every membrane of his presidency so much that they’ve left aides and allies mastering verbal jiu-jitsu to defend his unprecedented approach to fusing personal business interests with his position in high office.”

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Citizen K  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:55:26am

I hope Wolf’s optimism pans out, because otherwise that may just be yet another state wholly locked out to us for a generation.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:56:25am

He never talks about spreading American principles overseas but he will gladly make a buck for himself getting a hotel or resort built.

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Citizen K  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:57:26am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

He never talks about spreading American principles overseas but he will gladly make a buck for himself getting a hotel or resort built.

Just like anything else, he assumes he is “American principles”.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:58:00am

re: #176 b.d. (It’s All True)

How can you have a 360 degree view if there is a tower directly across from you?

It’s marketing bulkshit. They can see the entire city, except the view directly across at the adjacent building blocking everything to that side. They’re not wrong. /

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:58:38am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

He never talks about spreading American principles overseas but he will gladly make a buck for himself getting a hotel or resort built.

Which really fits the theory that I think most everybody has had for the past 3 years, namely that he never expected to win and was only really running as part of a scheme to make money off perpetual victimhood as having been “robbed” of the presidency by Hillary and the DNC.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:58:38am

re: #170 DangerMan

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:58:51am

re: #177 Targetpractice

It’s a sign he’s trying to cash out before the walls close in…

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:59:55am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

A demon would set it up to make it look that way

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:00:13am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Right, my question is how does a society survive like that long term?

Such people must be discouraged from participating in civic life. Eventually, it’ll get through their skulls that they’re wrong. It’ll take time. A long time, probably three or four generations.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:01:33am

re: #182 Targetpractice

Which really fits the theory that I think most everybody has had for the past 3 years, namely that he never expected to win and was only really running as part of a scheme to make money off perpetual victimhood as having been “robbed” of the presidency by Hillary and the DNC.

Oh absolutely. If he had lost, FNC would be treating him as a shadow President and the “voice of real America.”

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:01:36am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

I would need a quart of insulin to handle that!

Just got put on metformin 10 minutes ago. Ugh!

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:01:43am

I was possessed by a demon once, but he left after realizing how fucking boring my life really is.

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:02:22am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Oh absolutely. If he had lost, FNC would be treating him as a shadow President and the “voice of real America.”

Hell, considering their reporting for the first two years, you’d assume they had just written up a presidential term’s worth of headlines and felt compelled to use them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:02:42am

re: #156 Belafon

At some level, they know Trump is tearing things apart. But they chose him, and since admitting they are wrong is the hardest thing to do, they are reacting by being more and more delusional in their thinking. Forget rearranging deck chairs, they’re trying to scoop the water out with teacups.

They got tax cuts, lifetime judgeships, and fucking Rapey McKavenaugh on the SCOTUS. Republicans are getting everything they want with their puppet. No way they care at all about how it affects them. They’ll be gone, but the legacy will live on for decades.

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:06:06am

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

“…outside the phone call…” ?

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“Sure, I mean show me something that is a crime,” Graham replied. “If you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing

Lindsey saying “show me a crime other than all the crimes we already know about and have dismissed out of hand”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:06:38am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Oh absolutely. If he had lost, FNC would be treating him as a shadow President and the “voice of real America.”

Trump looked like the proverbial dog that caught the car on election night 2016. Not the face of a happy camper.

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:08:42am

re: #109 Dread Pirate

Moron

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moron-lago

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:09:04am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Trump looked like the proverbial dog that caught the car on election night 2016. Not the face of a happy camper.

It’s easier not to be President than be President. He’s only really happy when he’s doing his dime store Nuremberg rallies because he receives only adoration and no criticism.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:11:15am

re: #174 lawhawk

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But they’re not doing business overseas. Right? Right?

Everything Trump does is about his business overseas; expanding opportunities to profit from his position.

What ugly-ass buildings!
It looks like they forgot to take them out of the boxes they were shipped in.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:11:24am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

It’s easier not to be President than be President. He’s only really happy when he’s doing his dime store Nuremberg rallies because he receives only adoration and no criticism.

And he’s in a bind. There are plenty of people waiting for him to not be president because they have a few questions/indictments.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:13:59am

re: #196 Jay C

You can go to any Trump building/property anywhere in the world, and the architectural critiques are scathing. He has the absolute worst tastes, and what’s hilarious is that as he claims to be a luxury developer, he’s stuck in the 1980s with his garish and derivative designs (interior and exterior) while other developers move ahead with far more daring designs and ambitious interior spaces.

He’s always been awful.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:14:35am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

It’s easier not to be President than be President. He’s only really happy when he’s doing his dime store Nuremberg rallies because he receives only adoration and no criticism.

He’s a salesman at heart. Of course the rallies feed his enormous ego and allows him to “sell” to his heart’s content to a crowd of suckers that’ll buy anything.

Trump’s genius, such as it is, lies in sales and marketing and in fairness, he’s quite good at it. Hell, he sold 40% of Americans on the idea that he’d be the perfect President.

That’s no small feat. And if a good chunk of his supporters had more disposable income, he’d be fleecing them for every last penny.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:15:16am
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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:16:08am

re: #198 lawhawk

You can go to any Trump building/property anywhere in the world, and the architectural critiques are scathing. He has the absolute worst tastes, and what’s hilarious is that as he claims to be a luxury developer, he’s stuck in the 1980s with his garish and derivative designs (interior and exterior) while other developers move ahead with far more daring designs and ambitious interior spaces.

He’s always been awful.

If I thought he could read, I would have said that he took all the wrong lessons from The Fountainhead. Instead, he just embodies them.

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Citizen K  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:17:36am

re: #191 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

They got tax cuts, lifetime judgeships, and fucking Rapey McKavenaugh on the SCOTUS. Republicans are getting everything they want with their puppet. No way they care at all about how it affects them. They’ll be gone, but the legacy will live on for decades.

Pretty much this. What incentive do they have to rock the boat when they’re getting all their unicorns and more with no way to undo them for at least a decade? And we’ve seen how much patience the electorate has with Dem control in any capacity to know any fix in practice with take even longer, if allowed at all.

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:23:16am

re: #198 lawhawk

You can go to any Trump building/property anywhere in the world, and the architectural critiques are scathing. He has the absolute worst tastes, and what’s hilarious is that as he claims to be a luxury developer, he’s stuck in the 1980s with his garish and derivative designs (interior and exterior) while other developers move ahead with far more daring designs and ambitious interior spaces.

He’s always been awful.

And it continues because nobody has the balls to tell him he’s wrong because he’s such a childish asshat that his response to being rebuked is not only to fire you, but to destroy you in every way possible to satisfy his pettiness and vindictiveness.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:23:22am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:23:54am

re: #204 Belafon

He was a goddamn child.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:24:19am

Meanwhile, Brexit continues to fester like some kind of plague in a never-ending sci-fi/horror film.

theguardian.com

The logical solution is to pull the plug and revoke Article 50. Sadly, emotion fervor has now overtaken logic and well, here we are.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:26:07am

re: #198 lawhawk

You can go to any Trump building/property anywhere in the world, and the architectural critiques are scathing. He has the absolute worst tastes, and what’s hilarious is that as he claims to be a luxury developer, he’s stuck in the 1980s with his garish and derivative designs (interior and exterior) while other developers move ahead with far more daring designs and ambitious interior spaces.

He’s always been awful.

It’s no wonder Donald Trump is “stuck in the 1980s” (an observation which has been obvious for years) - those were his Glory Days, when the Trump “brand” stood for riches and glitz, and still hadn’t been recognized as the shaky (if gaudy) facade hiding a mismanaged RE shell-game that it was.

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:27:55am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, Brexit continues to fester like some kind of plague in a never-ending sci-fi/horror film.

theguardian.com

The logical solution is to pull the plug and revoke Article 50. Sadly, emotion fervor has now overtaken logic and well, here we are.

It’s a fucking circus, which is what we all knew it would dissolve into the moment Boris got the nod by the slimmest fucking margin anyone’s ever seen. And a further reminded that Jeremy Corbyn is the only fucking reason that waste of skin remains PM despite losing everything but the hair on his head.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:29:30am

re: #207 Jay C

It’s no wonder Donald Trump is “stuck in the 1980s” (an observation which has been obvious for years) - those were his Glory Days, when the Trump “brand” stood for riches and glitz, and still hadn’t been recognized as the shaky (if gaudy) facade hiding a mismanaged RE shell-game that it was.

I’d stretch Trump’s glory days back just a little bit further, back to the era of Studio 54, the late 1970s and continuing into about the mid-to-late 1980s.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:30:00am

re: #204 Belafon

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“And they cured him of his problems”

HIS problems????

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Citizen K  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:30:22am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

He was a goddamn child.

No, he was a black person. Black men are infantilized but they’re never allowed the privilege of being a child, no matter what age they are.

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Targetpractice  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:30:30am

re: #210 Jay C

“And they cured him of his problems”

HIS problems????

Being “uppity,” of course.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:30:41am

re: #210 Jay C

“And they cured him of his problems”

HIS problems????

Yeah living.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:30:56am

re: #211 Citizen K

No, he was a black person. Black men are infantilized but they’re never allowed the privilege of being a child, no matter what age they are.

Dude I know.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:38:31am

re: #211 Citizen K

No, he was a black person. Black men are infantilized but they’re never allowed the privilege of being a child, no matter what age they are.

Yep. Just ask Tamir Rice.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:39:19am

Emmett Till. Born the same year as Bernie Sanders and my Aunt. Lynched based off of innuendo. His killers. Not a damn day in jail. The woman who caused his murder. Still alive and free.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:39:48am

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Just ask Tamir Rice.

Yep. Murdered in cold blood. But hey identify politics.//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:41:03am

Angry residents in a Kurdish-controlled Syrian city pelted departing U.S. armored vehicles with potatoes and other refuse, videos on social media show.

The food barrage came amid a controversial troop drawdown that Kurdish leaders say leaves their people exposed to Turkey’s military, but which American supporters of the withdrawal contend is long overdue.

Scenes broadcast by the Kurdish ANHA news agency show potatoes, tomatoes and other rubbish raining down on the hoods and windows of vehicles moving through Qamishli.

Some of the residents there were heard — in English — shouting “No America” and “America liar,” the Associated Press reported. One vehicle was seen backing up over a sidewalk to get away from the crowd.

The bulk of U.S. troops in Syria are in the process of pulling out of the region following orders from President Trump earlier this month. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said some of the forces will be heading to western Iraq, where the American military is set to continue fighting ISIS.

I fucking hate Trump so much.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:41:34am

re: #210 Jay C

“And they cured him of his problems”

HIS problems????

Every person this guy prosecuted should have their cases reviewed.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:44:38am

re: #204 Belafon

Speechless

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:56:30am

re: #204 Belafon

Here’s the story, and the quote:

“The people in Tallahatchie County are to a great degree tired of Emmett Till,” says former county prosecutor John Whitten.

He lives in Sumner, Miss., where the two men who killed Till were tried and acquitted by an all-white jury, only to confess to the killing when they sold their story to Look Magazine months later. Whitten’s father was one of the defense lawyers.

John Whitten was 7 at the time and still sticks with the version of the story he learned back then.

“Fella who came down here and got in trouble — overstepped his bounds to a degree some folks thought,” says Whitten. “And they cured him of his problems.”

kcrw.com

I’m sorry, but I’d like to smack the everloving shit out of this privileged white man who never had to worry a day of his life that he would be lynched or murdered because of his skin color. I hope he rots in hell.

ETA: But I’ll stand in line behind the locals, who no doubt have much more reason to smack John Whitten than I do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:57:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:59:08am

re: #204 Belafon

Mississippi Resident here.

Racism still runs DEEP in this state. Jackson isn’t so bad, the Gulf Coast (where I am) isn’t so bad. Neither are Hattiesburg and Starkville (both college towns).

HOWEVER, get out of these areas and go into the smaller towns and you will find plenty of deep red areas full of Confederate flag toting folks who can’t stand black people. I’m talking about areas where it is straight up DANGEROUS for black people to be.

The area where Till was murdered is in one of those areas.

I’m assuming this retired prosecutor is probably older and likely grew up in the pre or early civil rights era. Thus, he would have picked up a lot of the prevailing attitudes back then.

But the reality is that on a lot of levels the class and racial divisions brought to the South as a result of slavery have not healed and may not ever heal (even in an area like where I am, where people of different cultures generally get along, blacks have vastly higher poverty rates than whites and even other minorities).

As here we are, it’s almost 2020 and we’ve having to put make memorials BULLETPROOF to protect them. We really haven’t come as far as we’d like to think we have.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:59:21am

re: #221 mmmirele

Here’s the story, and the quote:

kcrw.com

I’m sorry, but I’d like to smack the everloving shit out of this privileged white man who never had to worry a day of his life that he would be lynched or murdered because of his skin color. I hope he rots in hell.

His county never gave Emmett justice. I’m tired of other white people just expecting minorities to let terrible things go. Meanwhile no one ever really has told the South to get over the CSA’s defeat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:02:13am
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Semper Fi  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:02:47am

re: #188 retired cynic

Just got put on metformin 10 minutes ago. Ugh!

Meaning pre-diabetes?
1 or 2 pills/day?

Just curious…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:03:19am

I often relate history to my own or familial timeline. I was reading that 14 year old Elijah Cummings, interestingly the same age Emmett was when he was murdered and born the same year as my Dad was beaten up for trying to integrate a swimming pool. There’s a tendency to dismiss all this as old history but I wonder were I a black man not only what sort of things my Grandparents and parents would have experienced but what I would have by now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:03:56am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Projection thy name is Huckleberry.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:05:14am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Pierre Delcto” ??

WTF is the Huckster gibbering about now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:06:36am

re: #229 Jay C

“Pierre Delcto” ??

WTF is the Huckster gibbering about now?

apparently something Mitt Romney did

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calochortus  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:06:40am

re: #229 Jay C

“Pierre Delcto” ??

WTF is the Huckster gibbering about now?

Apparently Romney used the name on some account (Twitter?)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:06:55am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, Brexit continues to fester like some kind of plague in a never-ending sci-fi/horror film.

theguardian.com

The logical solution is to pull the plug and revoke Article 50. Sadly, emotion fervor has now overtaken logic and well, here we are.

Johnson will never do that. He knows that if Brexit is put up for a referendum again it will lose. They (him and Farage) will not be able to get away with all the lies they got away with the first time…and the people know that a symbolic vote to leave will create the chaos that has been present since the start.

If they put Brexit up to a second vote, it will lose badly. And Johnson will die first.

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:06:59am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:09:00am

re: #233 plansbandc

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When Trump goes, we need to become the world leader on human rights.

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:11:59am

re: #188 retired cynic

Just got put on metformin 10 minutes ago. Ugh!

Speaking of metformin…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:13:08am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

When Trump goes, we need to become the world leader on human rights.

Republicans will never let this happen.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:13:27am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans will never let this happen.

Nope but we can try.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:13:40am

Yeah.

So start worrying about the Mitt Romney rehab tour the press is firing up.

He’s still a mendacious piece of shit, doing the absolute minimum versus Trump now that he’s confident he has a cushion.

That’s what his stupid fucking alt-name Twitter is. Hiding out until shit’s safe enough.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:15:07am

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah.

So start worrying about the Mitt Romney rehab tour the press is firing up.

He’s still a mendacious piece of shit, doing the absolute minimum versus Trump now that he’s confident he has a cushion.

That’s what his stupid fucking alt-name Twitter is. Hiding out until shit’s safe enough.

I like how people want HRC to shut up but Romney was able to waltz in the Senate.

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:25:17am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I like how people want HRC to shut up but Romney was able to waltz in the Senate.

It’s patriarchy and sexism, pure and simple. That’s all it is. Powerful women should not exist.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:25:30am

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

Mittens got a binder full of socks puppets!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:28:02am

re: #240 mmmirele

It’s patriarchy and sexism, pure and simple. That’s all it is. Powerful women should not exist.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:34:19am
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dat_said  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:38:18am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Part of the continuing story of Oddball

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:39:04am

good fucking grief

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:40:44am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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JFC

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:41:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:43:14am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:44:17am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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Yep, because any concessions Trump makes to the Kurds will piss off his buddy Erdogan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:44:19am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:45:16am

re: #247 lawhawk

You know, at this point pretty much everything Trump does is “Impeachable Conduct”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:55:14am

O_o

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:57:17am

re: #247 lawhawk

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It’s in Article 1 but as Trump has never read anything that wasn’t in his name or flattering him, I can see why he’s upset.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:57:19am

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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“Me, me, me, me, me, ME!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:57:51am

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

[Embedded content]

Yeah sure moron.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:58:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:59:39am
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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:59:55am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:59:56am

re: #256 lawhawk

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OFFS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:00:23am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Disgraceful lying sack of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:00:57am
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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:01:40am

Current mood: Era Vulgaris - by QOTSA

Era Vulgaris

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:02:50am

A couple of amusing things from various corners on the web.

Apparently making anti-multi level marketing videos and putting them on YouTube is now a thing. I guess there finally got to be a critical mass of people (mostly women) who got tired of being hit up to join any of *dozens* of these outfits. Some of the videos are merely snarky comments on the lengths promoters of these outfits (usually described as “hunbots”) will go to try and snare a new member of their downline. A lot of the videos, though, are more thoughtful, include a lot of research and make a regular point of showing the income statements the FTC requires MLMs to give to distributors. Every single one of these is simply devastating. Most people lose money at this.

Along those same lines, earlier this month, the FTC made a deal with Advocare, an MLM, that it was to basically get out of the MLM business. Advocare, like so many MLMs, had a tiered setup where people further up the pyramid got money from recruits further down the pyramid. The FTC told Advocare they needed to get rid of their tiers.

cbsnews.com

I have NOT seen any comments from any of the many, many other MLMs out there, but I have to wonder if these outfits are running scared, since so many of them put emphasis on recruiting rather than on product sales to customers. I expect some MLMs will subtly change their compensation schemes in response to this Advocare agreement, but it won’t happen overnight.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:06:25am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He has no idea what a President does.

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:10:31am

And from another corner of the web, this asshat named John MacArthur, who runs a church in Simi Valley with an associated “university” called “The Master’s University,” basically trashed a woman, Beth Moore, who makes the rounds in the Evangelical community specifically teaching women.

(just putting this here, seriously don’t watch, it’s 7 minutes 35 seconds of wanting to put your hand through the screen to strangle this pompous jackass.)

Evangelical Christian Twitter, and to a lesser extent, Progressive Protestant Twitter, exploded.

MacArthur’s “university,” “The Master’s University,” is currently on probation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC) because the “university” has a poor-to-nonexistent record of reporting campus sexual assaults (oh, and because MacArthur has overwhelming control, there is no faculty freedom, etc.). I’m sure hoping that WASC is keeping an eye on this.

In my previous group, one of the analysts told us during an icebreaker that he loved John MacArthur’s books. I commented in an aside to another coworker, “Oh, I probably shouldn’t tell him that I picketed MacArthur at a convention in Kentucky, right?” Ah, nope.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:13:11am
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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:17:49am
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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:23:21am

Unfu…. nope. Totally fucking believable and exactly what I expected. Trump is the reactionary/regressive know nothing he’s always been, and those who worked in Trumpworld and enabled his bulkshit and didn’t call him out for it are complicit.

Mattis should have spoken up but didn’t.

Tillerson should have spoken up but didn’t.

Everyone who had an opportunity to speak out to Trump’s abject lack of fitness to be anywhere near the WH is apalling and speaks to everyone being a sycophant and suckup who decided to tell Trump what he wanted to hear, rather than what he needed to hear day in and day out.

They all made us less safe. That’s the bottom line.

None of these fuckers like Mattis should ever be in a position of power again. Ever.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:25:05am

I can’t copy the image here at work, but go check out the image a clothing line has put up in Times Square, depicting a woman hog-tying Trump: dailykos.com.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:27:02am

re: #269 Belafon

I can’t copy the image here at work, but go check out the image a clothing line has put up in Times Square, depicting a woman hog-tying Trump: dailykos.com.

Watch the outrage from the free peach activists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:27:54am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Watch the outrage from the free peach activists.

Honestly I think that looks kind of bad ass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:28:32am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I think that looks kind of bad ass.

It totally does.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:29:16am

re: #268 lawhawk

Unfu…. nope. Totally fucking believable and exactly what I expected. Trump is the reactionary/regressive know nothing he’s always been, and those who worked in Trumpworld and enabled his bulkshit and didn’t call him out for it are complicit.

Mattis should have spoken up but didn’t.

Tillerson should have spoken up but didn’t.

Everyone who had an opportunity to speak out to Trump’s abject lack of fitness to be anywhere near the WH is apalling and speaks to everyone being a sycophant and suckup who decided to tell Trump what he wanted to hear, rather than what he needed to hear day in and day out.

They all made us less safe. That’s the bottom line.

None of these fuckers like Mattis should ever be in a position of power again. Ever.

Yeah I don’t have much use for Mattis or Tillerson. They didn’t speak up when they had power. And now tehy want cookies for denouncing Trump and unfortunately some will give it to them. I have no use for iehter man.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:31:47am

Trump is ranting like a madman

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:32:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:33:28am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:33:39am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sick of him getting away with this lie.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:36:31am

re: #274 b.d. (It’s All True)

Trump is ranting like a madman

Yeah.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:39:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:40:44am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

I’m sick of him getting away with this lie after lie.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:41:05am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:41:24am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, for all that, Trump will be the guy we refer to when we need to talk about a leader giving in. Chamberlain can rest in peace.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:42:00am

Marco Rubio making case for genocide of Kurds.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:42:28am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

True. All the fucking iies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:43:26am

re: #283 DodgerFan1988

Marco Rubio making case for genocide of Kurds.

Marco’s a fucking coward. You know who tehy were ordered to do by right? They can’t take out their anger directly on him. So fuck you for giving the Kurds a hard time for rightfully being pissed. Our troops get it. A chickenshit like you who hides behind scripture on Twitter does not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:43:58am

Goddamn Rubio is such a feckless piece of shit.

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lawhawk  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:45:36am

Good news watch:

Bibi admits he can’t form a new government in Israel, so returns the mandate to the Israeli president. Rivlin has 3 days to offer the mandate to Ganz to try and form a coalition government (and would have 28 days to do so). If Ganz fails, then there’s 21 days to form a government coalition by any member of the Knesset, and if that fails, new elections.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:46:16am

And as our troops are forced to retreat, locals who trusted us are throwing food at them. MAGA, or something.

bbc.com

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:46:45am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Because facts are no longer a part of the “news” cycle. Sensation and entertainment sells advertising, not facts.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:46:46am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They got to briefly bask in the glow of American might. They should remember those happy times as they’re sent to their death.”

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:47:48am

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

You know, at this point pretty much everything Trump does is “Impeachable Conduct”.

Impeach-a-lago?

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:49:52am

Trump: “Oil is more important than blood.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:50:13am

Rubio is getting shredded on that Tweet. As it should be.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:52:11am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Rubio is getting shredded on that Tweet. As it should be.

He definitely should be. The troops aren’t the victims here. From what I’ve heard, the Kurds have been pretty magnanimous in making it clear their anger is not with the American people but with the Trump administration. I really wish Rubio would have kept his word and retired after 2016. He’s a cowardly wanker who thinks he’s a statesman but he’s actually one of the biggest cowards in the Republican caucus.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:52:24am

re: #292 DodgerFan1988

Trump: “Oil is more important than blood.”

Profits over people. Capitalism making foreign policy decisions.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:55:22am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:55:57am

CNN fact checking Trump in real time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:59:11am

re: #297 NO SMOCKING GUN!

CNN fact checking Trump in real time.

[Embedded content]

If the Emoulments clause is phony, why bring up Obama? He may be stupid but he knows he’s breaking the law.

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Alephnaught  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:59:57am

re: #283 DodgerFan1988

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Marco Rubio making case for genocide of Kurds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:01:01am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:01:33am

re: #299 Alephnaught

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On behalf of America, I apologize for both Marco Rubio and Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:01:59am

re: #300 NO SMOCKING GUN!

[Embedded content]

They know their cult doesn’t care.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:08:54am

Trumpism
You: Trump is violating the law
Them: prove it!
You: Article 1, blah blah
Them; That law is stupid, besides Onama did it too!
You: uh proof?
Them: MAGA!

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:11:39am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

He’s absolutely despicable.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:23:24am

Trump cult followers gloating at the Kurds genocide.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:35:48am

re: #28 William Lewis

If I can say, I’ve always found him an inspiration. Not as technically flashy as some, often “just” a rhythm guitarist, but as said, he could make it cry and sing when he wanted to. As a late comer to the guitar, I love his guitar work more than ever.

As a fellow late-comer to guitar, me too. Seeing what’s possible even without ultra chops is definitely inspiring. And sort of a challenge, too - I will never be a bonamassa or an emmanuel etc. but I have no real excuse for not getting my guitar to talk the way I want it to. (I think I need to start keeping a guitar here at work…)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:38:47am

re: #305 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Trump cult followers gloating at the Kurds genocide.

I don’t see Mr. MAGA giving Trump shit for sending troops to Saudi Arabia. If you’re gonna be isolationist, be consistent.

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CarolJ  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:44:45am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

Looking at a lifetime’s worth of insulin for that. If I survived, could never have a single carb again ever, ever, ever.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 1:17:09pm

re: #226 Semper Fi

Meaning pre-diabetes?
1 or 2 pills/day?

Just curious…

Yes, pre, 1 pill a day. It was optional to take it, but I have already cut the starches waaaay down, so figured there wasn’t that much room left in the diet.


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