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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:24:46pm

Good news from up north: Looks like the Conservative Andrew Scheer will NOT be the next Canadian Prime Minister.

Projections are for a Liberal minority government. Hopefully the NDP (far left party) can help shore up Parliament to keep the Conservative agenda at bay.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:35:12pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

WHEW!

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:36:25pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:37:30pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:38:43pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:40:20pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Womp, womp. Bitch!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:40:38pm
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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:42:26pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

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It’s been a long time since I watched The Wave but Ben just reminds me of the kid who couldn’t make any friends until the exercise started.

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danarchy  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:47:46pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It isn’t likely Gantz is going to have any better luck, so they are probably heading to a 3rd election in less than a year.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 7:52:50pm

They’re all cut from the same cloth. 🇨🇦

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:03:14pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:13:41pm

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:15:06pm

re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Oh my goodness. *collapses from the cuteness*

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:17:00pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:17:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:17:41pm

Canada election update: You need 170 seats for a majority in the Canadian Parliament. Currently the Liberal (left leaning) and NDP (far left leaning) have 182 between them.

Which means even if a few people break ranks they can still pass legislation without Conservative involvement.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:19:30pm
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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:20:17pm

re: #15 Patricia Kayden

I cannot believe how much I hate him.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:21:19pm

From my FB.

Canadiens that have been watching the United States the last couple years are all “whew, dodged that bullet!” Quite so, and remember you also dodged that other very American self inflicted wound called the “real estate bubble”. Well played Canada well played.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:21:36pm

re: #17 Dread Pirate

I could hardly understand him, for all of the sniffing and snorting and gulping.

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stpaulbear  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:21:56pm

Balloon Juice has a link to a Merriam-Webster site that gives you a list of words that came into use during the year you were born. There are a couple hundred words from my year (1954). Some were kind of surprising.

black power
dragster
hard copy
moped
New York minute
power strip
rock and roll
Thorazine
TV dinner
wonk

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:22:05pm

Great news out of 🇨🇦. Buh bye asshole. Lost his own seat.

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:23:29pm

re: #22 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This made me chuckle. I’m officially an asshole. :D

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:25:49pm

re: #22 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m so mean that now I have to hunt down a video of her crying. What made him believe that running on an anti-immigration, Trumper platform in Canada was a good idea. Idiot.

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:26:52pm

re: #24 Patricia Kayden

And now I’m officially lmao

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:36:26pm

re: #24 Patricia Kayden

I’m so mean that now I have to hunt down a video of her crying. What made him believe that running on an anti-immigration, Trumper platform in Canada was a good idea. Idiot.

Didn’t Trumper types win in Toronto or something? Dan Ford I think?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:38:17pm

Well this is goddamned horrifying and since I had to see it you get to now as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:39:04pm

re: #26 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Didn’t Trumper types win in Toronto or something? Dan Ford I think?

Doug Ford. But that was Provincial, not Federal.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:39:22pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Well this is legitimately horrifying and since I had to see it you get to now as well.

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OMFG! barf

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:39:25pm

Glad everything went all right in Canada and that things aren’t looking good for Bibi either. We might yet get over a lot of this.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:41:32pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Doug Ford. But that was Provincial, not Federal.

And he’s fucked up so bad he won’t win again.

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BeachDem  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:41:47pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Glad everything went all right in Canada and that things aren’t looking good for Bibi either. We might yet get over a lot of this.

And from a New Englander’s perspective, Pats go 7-0, beating the Jets 33-0. Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:43:10pm

re: #32 BeachDem

And from a New Englander’s perspective, Pats go 7-0, beating the Jets 33-0. Heh.

Yeah but that was always going to happen. I’m actually not paying attention to football this season. Much less stressful.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:44:49pm

re: #29 retired cynic

OMFG! barf

Doesn’t she have insurance? She could have met with her gyno before telling Twitter..

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:45:59pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Glad everything went all right in Canada and that things aren’t looking good for Bibi either. We might yet get over a lot of this.

Dare we hope that people are waking up and will stay woke?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:48:06pm

re: #35 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Dare we hope that people are waking up and will stay woke?

We can only hope. November 2020 will be here before we know it. Got a lot of state and local elections too this fall and I believe Kentucky’s governor which I think could give us an idea how Mitch could be defeated.

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:49:23pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

We can only hope. November 2020 will be here before we know it. Got a lot of state and local elections too this fall and I believe Kentucky’s governor which I think could give us an idea how Mitch could be defeated.

Bevin is uniquely bad, ‘tho.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:50:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:50:21pm

re: #37 retired cynic

Bevin is uniquely bad, ‘tho.

That’s true too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:51:45pm

Fuck
That

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:53:20pm

So are we still facing a Schrodinger’s Brexit?

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:53:51pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Well this is goddamned horrifying and since I had to see it you get to now as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:54:11pm

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

So are we still facing a Schrodinger’s Brexit?

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Have to ask Boris Johnson V.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:56:34pm

www-m.cnn.com

I apologize if y’all discussed this but apparently Trump’s little Ukraine game goes back to Vladdy and Orban. Also, how bad is it that WH staffers are so worried he’ll be chummy with guys like Orban and easily influenced by him? He really is quite the puppet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:57:25pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fuck
That

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Yeah hell no. That’s a long time to fly.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:58:41pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Congratulations. You, sir, have put up the Thing From the Internet I Most Wish I Had Never Seen, Week of October 20th edition.

For the very first time in 124 weeks Trump was not involved.
/

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:58:59pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

From my FB.

I figure they suffered through Harper and learned their lesson. We’re still getting through ours.

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William Lewis  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:59:34pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fuck
That

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That would be one way to get this old treadhead to use a parachute. “Get me off this MFer!!!!”

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TedStriker  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:59:49pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

Balloon Juice has a link to a Merriam-Webster site that gives you a list of words that came into use during the year you were born. There are a couple hundred words from my year (1954). Some were kind of surprising.

black power
dragster
hard copy
moped
New York minute
power strip
rock and roll
Thorazine
TV dinner
wonk

For me, it seems to be a whole bunch of medical terms, but also a lot of words and terms we use every day:

adult-onset diabetes, airball, alternative rock, angel-hair pasta, ATM
back channel, backward compatible, baked (as in high), biofilm, bioinformatics, blood-and-guts, BMX, brainiac, brick-and-mortar, brown dwarf
can’t-miss, CAT scan/scanner, conspiracist, continuous positive airway pressure, CT scanner, curb appeal
date rape, debit card, deep pocket, direct broadcast satellite, domestic partner, download, downsize
electronic mail, exclusive economic zone
fast track, fault-tolerant, force of nature, fractal
game hen, gender bender, gigabyte, grade inflation, G-rated, greenhouse gas
hand blender, hydrothermal vent
information appliance
Jah, juvenile-onset diabetes
Kawasaki disease, killer T cell, kilobase
leisure suit, light-rail
market capitalization, mass driver, meg, misery index, mobile phone
narcissistic personality disorder, natural killer cell, needlestick, neuroplasticity, nonperforming, nose tackle, nouvelle cuisine
off-the-books
pay down, person-hour, playdate, point-shaving, polybrominated biphenyl (PCB), psychobabble
retrovirus, run-and-shoot, runner’s high
shar-pei, sinsemilla, sleep apnea, small-cell lung cancer, smashmouth, spaghetti squash, sports bar, standing O, subfolder, subwoofer, superstring, synfuel, syngas
telco, Texas Hold’em, townhome, trucker hat, twist tie
unsellable, UVA, UVB
variable rate mortgage, vo-tech
western rat snake, wetware, wide area network (WAN)
Yooper

and…phallocratic.

*scratches head*

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 21, 2019 • 8:59:56pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

We can only hope. November 2020 will be here before we know it. Got a lot of state and local elections too this fall and I believe Kentucky’s governor which I think could give us an idea how Mitch could be defeated.

Which reminds me, Virginia elections are Nov. 5, and they are expected to be close. I’ve been phone banking and such for a while now, and if you’re in a place where it’s going on, they can use you. (Happy, I’m sure you know all this!)

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:00:19pm

re: #42 Dread Pirate

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:02:23pm

re: #50 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

Which reminds me, Virginia elections are Nov. 5, and they are expected to be close. I’ve been phone banking and such for a while now, and if you’re in a place where it’s going on, they can use you. (Happy, I’m sure you know all this!)

Yeah it’s always close here. I’ve met and done work for our delegate candidate. She’s running an excellent campaign. This is the most conservative part of Loudoun County where I am. My precinct especially.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:03:03pm

re: #40 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fuck
That

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I shudder to think. I flew from San Francisco to Singapore, and it was not the least bit fun. On the other hand, long haul flights are so boring that I don’t remember them much.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:03:43pm

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

So are we still facing a Schrodinger’s Brexit?

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Don’t open that box!

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:04:04pm

re: #47 Belafon

I figure they suffered through Harper and learned their lesson. We’re still getting through ours.

American conservatives never learn these lessons: the South is still doing its best to disenfranchise African-Americans and the Republican Party has been taken over by the old racist Democrats and spread its poison throughout the nation to every state they control.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:05:15pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

In addition to me, the moon landing, pop tarts, and Sesame street, the year 1969 saw the words or phrases: Bollywood, gangbanger, hi tech, tip of the iceberg, microprocessor, and videocassette recorder.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:06:01pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s always close here. I’ve met and done work for our delegate candidate. She’s running an excellent campaign. This is the most conservative part of Loudoun County where I am. My precinct especially.

I’ve mostly been calling Virginia Beach.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:07:03pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Well this is goddamned horrifying and since I had to see it you get to now as well.

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That’s some weird alt-erotica.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:07:51pm

re: #37 retired cynic

Bevin is uniquely bad, ‘tho.

Just like Mitch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:09:20pm

re: #58 Belafon

That’s some weird alt-erotica.

It’s literally anti-erotica

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:09:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:10:11pm

re: #57 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

I’ve mostly been calling Virginia Beach.

Ah. I don’t know the score down there but the WaPo had an article about a race there. That region has grown more purple I believe. The reason why the Dems are more successful here is they’re the party of growth and growing areas. When I was a kid, it was a lot Republican friendly. Hell even Cantors old congressional district has a Dem now. I think the Republicans hurt themselves here by nominating Corey Stewart.

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TedStriker  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:11:13pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Well this is legitimately horrifying and since I had to see it you get to now as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:11:20pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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How nice of him to go on Hannity where the questions are softer than his balls.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:14:16pm

re: #56 Belafon

In addition to me, the moon landing, pop tarts, and Sesame street, the year 1969 saw the words or phrases: Bollywood, gangbanger, hi tech, tip of the iceberg, microprocessor, and videocassette recorder.

I’ll play: Bork, FAQ, dad joke, physician aided suicide, steampunk, & techno.

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:20:55pm

So I experienced the gee you are fat and I don’t like you thing at my women’s chorus tonight. I guess that fat phobia is universal.

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:22:24pm

re: #66 plansbandc

No, it wasn’t I hate you you’re fat, it was moving a her chair away from me because I took too much space.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:26:52pm

I finished my LAUSD protest image.

Money Pours In, Shortchanged Kids Pour Out
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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:29:01pm

re: #67 plansbandc

And not saying a goddamn word to me. I think those of size here can get what I’m saying.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:33:23pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I’ll play: Bork, FAQ, dad joke, physician aided suicide, steampunk, & techno.

I’m so old I got OB-GYN.

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BeachDem  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:37:53pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I’ll play: Bork, FAQ, dad joke, physician aided suicide, steampunk, & techno.

Everything old is new again:
unindicted coconspirator
quasi-governmental
privatize
perv
defund
and my favorite (the phrase, not the song):

J. Geils Band - Freeze Frame

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:40:25pm

And another epic performance to share:

T.Rex ” Buick Mackane ” Live Studio 1973 Germany

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:41:35pm

re: #67 plansbandc

No, it wasn’t I hate you you’re fat, it was moving a her chair away from me because I took too much space.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:43:22pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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plansbandc  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:50:32pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:51:44pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

Balloon Juice has a link to a Merriam-Webster site that gives you a list of words that came into use during the year you were born. There are a couple hundred words from my year (1954). Some were kind of surprising.

black power
dragster
hard copy
moped
New York minute
power strip
rock and roll
Thorazine
TV dinner
wonk

Baby boomer was first used in 1963, my birth year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2019 • 9:58:00pm

In other news Sean Spicer somehow survived another fucking week on Dancing with the Stars.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:10:12pm

re: #75 plansbandc

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 10:32:55pm
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Mattand  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:09:17pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

Balloon Juice has a link to a Merriam-Webster site that gives you a list of words that came into use during the year you were born. There are a couple hundred words from my year (1954). Some were kind of surprising.

black power
dragster
hard copy
moped
New York minute
power strip
rock and roll
Thorazine
TV dinner
wonk

1966 for me. I need to research some of these, because I’m not buying that some of these phrases never appeared before 1966.

Acid rock, data bank, ROM, and ranch dressing sound right, because it’s plausible all of these things were introduced in ‘66 (especially acid rock and ROM).

Art deco, panic attack, and street smart? Citation needed.

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Mattand  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:10:52pm

re: #79 Dread Pirate

Christ, Barr is essentially J. Edgar Hoover without the fucking dress at this point.

The FBI is basically turning into the Stasi.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:39:27pm

re: #80 Mattand
1970:
Africanized bee
anxiety disorder
comfort food
double-wide
gigabit
hot pants
lib
newbie
op-ed
pro-life
punk rock
wigged-out
X-rated

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Dread Pirate  Oct 21, 2019 • 11:54:19pm

Awww.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:06:04am

re: #21 stpaulbear

“light bulb” was first used the year my grandfather was born.

I feel old.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:10:59am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:12:39am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder what they called them before.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:16:28am

re: #86 Amory Blaine

I wonder what they called them before.

Well, there weren’t any before then, I think.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:17:36am

re: #86 Amory Blaine

Wikipedia tells me that Edison demonstrated his light bulb 5 years before.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:18:32am

Star Wars Episode IX final trailer dropped. And it looks like Palpatine is back, most likely as the central, if shadowy, villain that was behind the events of the two previous films, such as the rise of the First Order, Starkiller Base, Supreme Leader Snoke, etc.

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker | Final Trailer

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:23:45am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Usual subjects are already whining about it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:24:33am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Star Wars Episode IX final trailer dropped. And it looks like Palpatine is back, most likely as the central, if shadowy, villain that was behind the events of the two previous films, such as the rise of the First Order, Starkiller Base, Supreme Leader Snoke, etc.

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I wonder if JJ is gonna get as much shit for this as Trekkies gave him for Khan being the villain of Into Darkness.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:29:42am

re: #90 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Usual subjects are already whining about it.

The fanbois want the Star Wars movie they have playing in their minds - and they don’t quite grasp that a film like this is going to be marketed to more than just them.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:31:55am

re: #91 Targetpractice

I wonder if JJ is gonna get as much shit for this as Trekkies gave him for Khan being the villain of Into Darkness.

Probably. And maybe rightly so, as let’s be honest, it’s not terribly original, is it?

But, when Rian Johnson did try to do something original in The Last Jedi, the screeching was so loud you could probably hear it on Mars.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:36:27am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

The fanbois want the Star Wars movie they have playing their minds - and they don’t quite grasp that a film like this is going to be marketed to more than just them.

Well yes and no. While they might have been cool with the return of Palpatine, the problem is that the storyline was already done ages ago in novels, comics, etc. All the stuff that Disney, upon buying up the franchise and assigning Abrams to helm it, declared were totally non-canon and only stuff they personally owned was regarded as such.

In a lot of ways, the backlash that Disney is experiencing is what Paramount went through back in the 80s when TNG was in pre-production and they announced that all the fan novels/books/etc that had sprung up after TOS went off the air were non-canon. So that it wasn’t quite the same kick in the balls when Abrams came along and announced that his films would take place in an alternate timeline almost totally divorced from TOS besides names and general concepts.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:38:19am

re: #94 Targetpractice

In a lot of ways, the backlash that Disney is experiencing is what Paramount went through back in the 80s when TNG was in pre-production and they announced that all the fan novels/books/etc that had sprung up after TOS went off the air were non-canon

You’re right, I’d forgotten about that backlash.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:24:34am

It’s kinda funny the parallel reaction from fans of both Trek and Wars to the films that have been made since Abrams took over both franchises. The first film was met with enthusiasm for giving the franchise something new after years of silence, even if years hence the overall opinion was they were mostly fan service meant to get asses in seats. Then the second film came out and led to cries that they were the “worst in the franchise’s history” and general savaging of the creative staff for totally missing what fans wanted.

What will be interesting is the response to The Rise of Skywalker, considering that Beyond is hailed by a lot of Trek fans as one of the best films in the franchise or at least the best of the three films made since Abrams took over.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:32:31am

IMO Rogue One was the best movie after The Empire Strikes Back. :)

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:33:01am

re: #96 Targetpractice

What will be interesting is the response to The Rise of Skywalker, considering that Beyond is hailed by a lot of Trek fans as one of the best films in the franchise or at least the best of the three films made since Abrams took over.

Star Trek Beyond was quite good, as was the first film and Abrams made a smart choice by setting that trilogy in an alternate timeline, as it allowed the franchise to be freed from the restrictions of canon and continuity. But like many, I felt that Star Trek Into Darkness was simply an unofficial remake of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It’s not a bad film, mind you; it’s a decent enough flick but for me, at least, too derivative.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:35:16am

re: #97 Amory Blaine

IMO Rogue One was the best movie after The Empire Strikes Back. :)

I’d agree. Gareth Edwards absolutely nailed it. One of the best films in the entire Star Wars franchise, second only to The Empire Strikes Back and on par with A New Hope.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:36:24am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

That is exactly my take.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:40:44am

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

Star Trek Beyond was quite good, as was the first film and Abrams made a smart choice by setting that trilogy in an alternate timeline, as it allowed the franchise to be freed from the restrictions of canon and continuity. But like many, I felt that Star Trek Into Darkness was simply an unofficial remake of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It’s not a bad film, mind you; it’s a decent enough flick but for me, at least, too derivative.

I’d say what angered so many Trek fans about Into Darkness was that they put in a “mystery” that most fans solved before the film actually released, lied to fans that it wasn’t what they were going for, then tried to act like they were so clever when the reveal fans saw coming months away was treated as though it was a big deal in the film. They couldn’t even claim it was aimed at fans new to the franchise because the reveal doesn’t really mean much if you don’t know who Khan is in the Trek franchise.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:42:06am

re: #97 Amory Blaine

IMO Rogue One was the best movie after The Empire Strikes Back. :)

Probably should have specified that when I said “second film,” I was really talking about The Last Jedi.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:47:40am

re: #100 Amory Blaine

That is exactly my take.

One of my biggest critiques of Star Wars fandom is that they take it all so damn seriously. For me, I always bear in mind that the Star Wars films are space opera - modern takes on the old Flash Gordon sci-fi/space opera/adventure serials of the 1930s, with great visual effects, amazing musical soundtracks and generally better written with more character development. After all, isn’t Darth Vader basically just a combination of Ming the Merciless and Space Hitler?

But when all is said and done, it’s really just Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe. The Star Wars films are fun movies - and quite often, great entertainment elevated beyond their 1930s B-movie origins. If you go back in time and show the Flash Gordon audiences of an earlier era Rogue One or the original Star Wars trilogy, hell…..they’d go nuts. They’d love every last second of it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:04:28am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

The fanbois want the Star Wars movie they have playing in their minds - and they don’t quite grasp that a film like this is going to be marketed to more than just them.

Incel types are whining about the women being the heroes, etc.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:05:47am
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Dread Pirate  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:11:44am
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Dread Pirate  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:15:03am

.. and don’t forget customs at both ends of the Chunnel.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:19:01am

.. and if Scotland declares independence they’ll have to build a wall and make England pay for it.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:30:47am

re: #107 Dread Pirate

re: #108 Dread Pirate

Apparently, PM Johnson’s current plan would set the border in the Irish Sea.

That solves the problem regarding Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland to the EU’s satisfaction - but it has enraged the Unionists/Loyalists in Northern Ireland, who fear (and not without reason) that could end up leading to the total unification of Ireland, which is the Unionists/Loyalists ultimate nightmare.

Basically, BoJo, in his desperation to conclude Brexit, has thrown Northern Ireland under the bus.

And it raises the specter of Scottish independence as well. It’s certainly been speculated that a good many Brexiteers couldn’t care one jot about that, because Brexit is ultimately an English nationalist project and as long as England itself is out of the EU, they’d be content with the dissolution of the United Kingdom.

What a clusterfuck.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:05:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:19:02am

re: #31 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And he’s fucked up so bad he won’t win again.

unlike our conservative politicians

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:21:01am

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

The year is 2192. The British Prime Minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline. No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world.

As part of the tradition, the Prime Minister wears a ceremonial blond mop wig and descends from zip line, requesting assistance when stuck…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:27:01am

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

And it raises the specter of Scottish independence as well. It’s certainly been speculated that a good many Brexiteers couldn’t care one jot about that, because Brexit is ultimately an English nationalist project and as long as England itself is out of the EU, they’d be content with the dissolution of the United Kingdom.

What a clusterfuck.

One of the main reasons that Scotland rejected their Independence Referendum in 2014 (?) was that it would have left them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in, as it requires unanimous support from other member states.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:32:32am

re: #82 Amory Blaine

Words from my birth year include “munchies”, “panty hose”, “oral sex”, “skateboard” and “schtick”…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:35:03am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the main reasons that Scotland rejected their Independence Referendum in 2014 (?) was that it would have left them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being let back in, as it requires unanimous support from other member states.

Yep - and now a lot of Scots are rightly angry about being taken out of the EU against their will. The majority of Scots voted to Remain in the Brexit referendum.

I can’t blame them one bit for now wanting independence. Perhaps, in the long run, it might well be better if the UK either broke up into its constituent parts or became a federation of some sort.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:37:20am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

Yep - and now a lot of Scots are rightly angry about being taken out of the EU against their will. The majority of Scots voted to Remain in the Brexit referendum.

I can’t blame them one bit for now wanting independence. Perhaps, in the long run, it might well be better if the UK either broke up into its constituent parts or became a federation of some sort.

Spain probably would have voted against accepting a breakaway state, not wanting to set an example for Catalonia, but I think they would be more amenable to them wanting to be let back in after being forced out against their will.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:55:07am

Marc Dutroux, the “Monster of Belgium” (en.wikipedia.org), is in the news again. I haven’t found an English-language source yet, so this blurb is translated from Czech:

Several hundred people demonstrated on Sunday in a heavy rain in Brussels against the possible conditional release of pedophile killer Marc Dutroux (62). Among the 400 protesters were the victims’ parents.

“I don’t think the rapists could have it any better,” one of the demonstrators told RTL, Belgium. “Once they’re let go, they will start again,” she added.

The protest organizers responded because the Belgian prosecutor’s office had approved Dutroux’s lawyers’ request that their client undergo a psychiatric examination, which is a condition for his possible conditional release.

Dutroux was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2004 for the kidnapping, torture and rape of six girls and the death of four of them.

Original source, in Czech: (novinky.cz)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:55:16am

re: #81 Mattand

Christ, Barr is essentially J. Edgar Hoover without the fucking dress at this point.

The FBI is basically turning into the Stasi.

DOJ. Which is even worse since DOJ has more power than the FBI.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:14:38am

So, Amazon Prime video has a couple of old seasons of Family Feud, with Dawson. First year is 1980. I mostly don’t remember much from that year, but watching I find myself cringing a bit at the styles, especially the hair.

But the real irony is that in ep 4 one of the questions is what would keep someone from becoming President (of the US).

Here are the top 4 answers:

Later that year Reagan, a divorcee, would be elected.

And of course Trump fails on two of them (“Scandal” meant sex scandal, as given by the contestant, a southern religious guy who probably voted for Trump if he’s still alive.)

I’d take the hair styles and wide ties if it meant that Trump would be rejected by the voters.

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:23:45am

Not even sure if criminal record is even going to be enough anymore. Pot convictions probably wont be a barrier. Reformed gang-banger with long history of service? Nobody yet has tested that angle due to felon disenfranchisement and the inevitable delay getting your life back together. But sooner or later, thanks to Trump’s example, we will be faced with that choice. How bad is bad, and too bad?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:37:46am

re: #120 CarolJ

Not even sure if criminal record is even going to be enough anymore. Pot convictions probably wont be a barrier. Reformed gang-banger with long history of service? Nobody yet has tested that angle due to felon disenfranchisement and the inevitable delay getting your life back together. But sooner or later, thanks to Trump’s example, we will be faced with that choice. How bad is bad, and too bad?

as long as it pisses off liberal snowflakes.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:44:55am

So, just got down watching Episode 7 of The Deuce, the penultimate episode to the series finale.

Fucking brutal.

Absolute kudos to Emily Meade for her bravura performance in the series. I hope we’ll be seeing her in other TV shows and films - a fantastic actress and deserving of accolades and much praise.

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:57:44am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not necessarily conservative side. We Dems are strongly for rehabilitation and a fresh start. While we will reject violent felons regardless of how long ago that was what about non-violent, drug related stuff? Eventually someone with a pot conviction will run for public office. Eventually, someone who was part of a gang will run for City Council. True,we will ask for long tenure and demonstrated proof of reform, but still?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:03:43am

re: #123 CarolJ

Not necessarily conservative side. We Dems are strongly for rehabilitation and a fresh start. While we will reject violent felons regardless of how long ago that was what about non-violent, drug related stuff? Eventually someone with a pot conviction will run for public office. Eventually, someone who was part of a gang will run for City Council. True,we will ask for long tenure and demonstrated proof of reform, but still?

laws on drug possession and use has been reformed, as have most forms of consensual sexual conduct and many “moral” transgressions…but violent crime, rape, robbery, embezzlement, blackmail, kidnapping, tax evasion, perjury, etc. are still just as illegal as they ever were.

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:20:32am

Most of the crimes mentioned have victims and are violent. Nobody would vote for that stuff. However, there’s a whole bunch of gray area stuff we may have to tackle as we wind down the war on drugs and the war on gangs. How long is long enough? What constitutes “rehabilitation”?

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:26:10am

re: #125 CarolJ

Most of the crimes mentioned have victims and are violent. Nobody would vote for that stuff. However, there’s a whole bunch of gray area stuff we may have to tackle as we wind down the war on drugs and the war on gangs. How long is long enough? What constitutes “rehabilitation”?

The answer can be summed up in four words: “All politics are local.” Most localities have removed laws against adultery from the books, yet politicians of both parties have been forced to resign when caught in such scandals. Homosexuality hasn’t been a crime for decades, yet we still struggle with getting openly LGBTQ politicians elected in all but the most liberal districts/states. By contrast, while recreational marijuana usage/possession is still illegal at the federal level and in most states, we’ve had politicians elected who admit they smoked at one time or another in their lives.

The only hard and fast rule when it comes to what voters will accept is that there are no rules. Which is how you can get run out of office for “hiking the Appalachian Trail” as governor of South Carolina, then come back years later and get elected Senator.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:29:18am

Off to work. Back later.

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jeffreyw  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:29:24am

Good morning!

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:36:31am

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago Is one of the links I follow as I see Trump crumple.

I think the Presidency tests basic human frameworks in a way no other job does. It may be that Trump deteriorates anyway due to the genetic inheritance, but as a private citizen it may be slower.

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mmmirele  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:46:13am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Marc Dutroux, the “Monster of Belgium” (en.wikipedia.org), is in the news again. I haven’t found an English-language source yet, so this blurb is translated from Czech:

Original source, in Czech: (novinky.cz)

Fffffff!!! Do the authorities want to revisit the complete clusterfuck that was the original Dutroux investigation? This is how you remind people that the original Dutroux investigation was a complete cluster, and also remind people how Belgian law enforcement took a “nothing to see here, move along” approach to pedophilia.

Oh, and in just doing a quickie Google search (Belgium pedophilia), this is one of the first articles that came up after Dutroux’s own Wikipedia:

Belgian paedophile planned ‘underground city’ of victims
Marc Dutroux planned to “kidnap many children” and create an “underground city” in an abandoned mine, his former lawyer reveals

telegraph.co.uk

I’ll be honest, Dutroux is so hated that if he got out, I could very much see a relative of the girls he killed hunting him down and killing him. He’s probably safer in a Belgian prison.

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:49:06am
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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:49:35am

Somebody’s having a difficult shit this morning…again:

Donny, none of us are under any illusion whatsoever that the Repubs will attempt to impeach the next Dem to sit in the Oval Office. Why? Because they impeached, tried to impeach, and threatened to impeach the last three Dems to hold the office.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:51:45am

re: #132 Targetpractice

Somebody’s having a difficult shit this morning…again:

Donny, none of us are under any illusion whatsoever that the Repubs will attempt to impeach the next Dem to sit in the Oval Office. Why? Because they impeached, tried to impeach, and threatened to impeach the last three Dems to hold the office.

Since when does he care about due process. It’s an impeachment inquiry. If this was the witchhunt he wants to convince himself it it is, he would have been gone a long time ago and there would have been reason. Mr. Emolument Clause is phony should shut his fat face.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:53:13am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Since when does he care about due process. It’s an impeachment inquiry. If this was the witchhunt he wants to convince himself it it is, he would have been gone a long time ago and there would have been reason. Mr. Emolument Clause is phony should shut his fat face.

The response to any mention of due process from Donny should be a long montage of every…single…fucking…time he has uttered the same three words: “Lock Her Up.” Or simply the instance in the ‘16 debates when he told her if he won the election, she’d be in prison.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:55:08am

re: #134 Targetpractice

The response to any mention of due process from Donny should be a long montage of every…single…fucking…time he has uttered the same three words: “Lock Her Up.” Or simply the instance in the ‘16 debates when he told her if he won the election, she’d be in prison.

Exactly. Really the gall of this motherfucker to complain about the Constitutional process being used to impeach him. He’s nothing but a fucking whiny piece of shit who knows he’s guilty as sin. I am glad he’s fucking miserable. I hope every last minute of his presidency and life is.

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(((Viking Sea Mexican)))  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:56:40am

re: #81 Mattand

Christ, Barr is essentially J. Edgar Hoover without the fucking dress at this point.

The FBI is basically turning into the Stasi.

I wouldn’t discard the dress just yet. You never know.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:58:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The only thing that should be in the news right now is the fact that Iraq is telling the US that the troops that Trump rashly removed from Syria without a plan and without a care to the consequences can’t stay in Iraq.

In other words, there was no plan and no SOFA in place to fight ISIS there. It was all done with haste and no consideration to the tactical or strategic implications of leaving the Kurds hanging out to dry while Turkey gets to do engage in ethnic cleansing and Kurds had to choose between survival and keeping the ISIS terrorists detained.

We are far worse off for this, and Trump doesn’t care. He’s a chaos agent, and all those actions continue to benefit Russia and others outside the US.

We don’t benefit from any of this.

So, where are those troops going if they can’t stay in Iraq? It isn’t home.

It’s likely to Saudi Arabia to protect the oil. Trump is MBS’s bitch. He’s using our military as a mercenary force, rather than protecting our strategic interests and containing the ISIS threat, all while stationing troops in the very country that gave rise to al Qaeda because… we stationed troops there during and after the first Gulf War.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:59:35am
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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:00:08am

re: #132 Targetpractice

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:00:25am

re: #137 lawhawk

It’s likely to Saudi Arabia to protect the oil. Trump is MBS’s bitch. He’s using our military as a mercenary force, rather than protecting our strategic interests and containing the ISIS threat, all while stationing troops in the very country that gave rise to al Qaeda because… we stationed troops there during and after the first Gulf War.

Defeinding a feudalist monarchy in the name of fossil fuel dependence.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:01:09am

It doesn’t understand what ‘due process’ is or what the threshold would be to meet the requirements of the term. He is a child repeating words that other morons have stated with no understanding. I would compare him to a talkative parrot, but I like parrots.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:01:59am

re: #138 lawhawk

Well after Tulsi herself, Bernie’s been a big beneficiary of favorable press/trashing his opponents and critics by Pooty. I am glad Warren hasn’t said anything yet. She irked me when she gave legitimacy to the conspiracy bs that the primary was “stolen” from Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:04:54am

re: #141 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It doesn’t understand what ‘due process’ is or what the threshold would be to meet the requirements of the term. He is a child repeating words that other morons have stated with no understanding. I would compare him to a talkative parrot, but I like parrots.

As DM has said, there is no protection against being accused of a crime. Right now we are finding there is evidence for a trial. The House as a Grand Jury and Senate as the Jury isn’t 100% in line but it is similiar enough. The fact is Bill Clinton was impeached over perjury about a sexual affair. What Trump has done and I won’t even say arguably since we’ve seen him do it in public is far worse and more worthy of impeachment.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:05:40am

re: #139 lawhawk

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And Republicans who served in Congress at the time are on record as feeling that even if one did not believe Bill committed a crime, he still had to be impeached for bringing a stain upon the office.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:07:57am

Trump succeeds because frankly the public isn’t informed and because his allies in the media and elected politics are happy to mislead the public.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:08:26am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Graham in particular. He not only wanted impeachment, but removal - even if no crime was involved.

Here? We’ve got Trump as an unindicted coconspirator on federal felonies with Michael Cohen (and but for DOJ rules, he would and should have been indicted for that). Throw in the obstruction charges identified by Mueller (again, but for DOJ rules, he would and should have been indicted for that), and the Emoluments Clause violations almost daily that enrich Trumpworld with every trip to his businesses, and foreign entities knowing they can influence Trump merely by staying at his businesses, along with domestic entities doing the same.

It’s crimes all the way down.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:08:57am
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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:09:12am

re: #120 CarolJ

Not even sure if criminal record is even going to be enough anymore. Pot convictions probably wont be a barrier. Reformed gang-banger with long history of service? Nobody yet has tested that angle due to felon disenfranchisement and the inevitable delay getting your life back together. But sooner or later, thanks to Trump’s example, we will be faced with that choice. How bad is bad, and too bad?

Someday, having been arrested at the Dakota Access Pipeline protests will also carry this much moral authority.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:12:58am

I’m so tired that I didn’t even notice that the orange motherfucker compared it to a lynching. Ignorant fucker has no idea what a lynching actually is even though he wanted to do one to the Central Park Five.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:13:40am

re: #147 lawhawk

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We’re at the point of the campaign cycle the press never wants to leave: “Democrats in Disarray.” This week’s flavor is suggesting that the party is stuck forever in a miasma of self-doubt and wondering aloud if there is a “perfect” candidate out there that they can lure into the race. Those of us who weren’t born yesterday will remember that these same sorts of stories ran the same time last year, when the Times portrayed Dems as worried that Biden wouldn’t jump into the race and be the party’s savior.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:14:54am

re: #150 Targetpractice

We’re at the point of the campaign cycle the press never wants to leave: “Democrats in Disarray.” This week’s flavor is suggesting that the party is stuck forever in a miasma of self-doubt and wondering aloud if there is a “perfect” candidate out there that they can lure into the race. Those of us who weren’t born yesterday will remember that these same sorts of stories ran the same time last year, when the Times portrayed Dems as worried that Biden wouldn’t jump into the race and be the party’s savior.

The media thinks this is all a game.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:19:21am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I’m so tired that I didn’t even notice that the orange motherfucker compared it to a lynching. Ignorant fucker has no idea what a lynching actually is even though he wanted to do one to the Central Park Five.

It’s disgusting, but calling it ‘ignorant’ misses the idea that it’s the latest in a long line of attempts to wave the ‘Reverse Racism’ flag. It’s a bullhorn to their base that Trump, his base, the ‘Real Americans’ are the real victims of racism in this country, that whites are the ones discriminated against by multicultural ‘elitists’. It’s not coming out of a place of ignorance, but malice attempting to take advantage of that ignorance in his audience.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:20:29am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Probably. And maybe rightly so, as let’s be honest, it’s not terribly original, is it?

But, when Rian Johnson did try to do something original in The Last Jedi, the screeching was so loud you could probably hear it on Mars.

The Last Jedi was objectively terrible, though, just not for the reasons that many of the haters had.

It was a criminal waste of IP and squandering of the good parts of the franchise that had been culled from all the chaff of the seven previous movies.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:21:12am

re: #150 Targetpractice

Where are all the GOP in disarray stories since you’ve got a bunch of GOPers running campaigns against Trump and seeking to primary his corrupt ass, while the party is trying to squash dissent by canceling primaries where it can?

Shouldn’t that be a front page thing since you’ve got a sitting occupant in the WH who is being challenged by multiple people in the party because of his criminal and impeachable conduct, and yet the Times and others don’t want to pay any attention or heed to the chaos that Trump brings with him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:21:15am

re: #152 Citizen K

It’s disgusting, but calling it ‘ignorant’ misses the idea that it’s the latest in a long line of attempts to wave the ‘Reverse Racism’ flag. It’s a bullhorn to their base that Trump, his base, the ‘Real Americans’ are the real victims of racism in this country, that whites are the ones discriminated against by multicultural ‘elitists’. It’s not coming out of a place of ignorance, but malice attempting to take advantage of that ignorance in his audience.

I’m calling him ignorant. But you’re of course right about the bullshit of white resentment.

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:22:12am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:22:38am

re: #154 lawhawk

Where are all the GOP in disarray stories since you’ve got a bunch of GOPers running campaigns against Trump and seeking to primary his corrupt ass, while the party is trying to squash dissent by canceling primaries where it can?

Shouldn’t that be a front page thing since you’ve got a sitting occupant in the WH who is being challenged by multiple people in the party because of his criminal and impeachable conduct, and yet the Times and others don’t want to pay any attention or heed to the chaos that Trump brings with him.

You have three former office holders including two former governors who are running against Trump in the GOP Primary. That’s unprecedented. Trump consistently polls beneath 50%. The media wants to make it like the Dems are in chaos but compared with the Republicans, they are not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:23:19am

re: #156 DangerMan

It’s such a fucking offensive comment and I feel bad that I didn’t notice it. Probably because I’m so used to white conservatives comparing something as horrible as lynching to rule of law.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:23:54am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I’m calling him ignorant. But you’re of course right about the bullshit of white resentment.

I mean, yes, Trump himself is plenty ignorant. But even then, this is far too deliberate and malicious to chalk up to his ignorance. He knows exactly what a lynching is, this is him trying to wrap himself in the mantle to send a message to his white supremacist base.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:24:16am

re: #156 DangerMan

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:25:37am

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:26:31am

Later that night at the white house:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:28:09am

re: #159 Citizen K

I mean, yes, Trump himself is plenty ignorant. But even then, this is far too deliberate and malicious to chalk up to his ignorance. He knows exactly what a lynching is, this is him trying to wrap himself in the mantle to send a message to his white supremacist base.

True, true. Man I need coffee. Everyday this asshole I swear.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:28:18am

Thread:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:28:49am

re: #156 DangerMan

Fuck off, Cheeto

A couple of lynchings, LGF 7-21-2010

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:28:53am
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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:29:43am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:29:46am

re: #166 Citizen K

And a prosecutor in that county said that Emmett got what he deserved. All we ask is that Trump be held accountable by the law which he has not been.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:30:29am

re: #153 Renaissance_Man

The Last Jedi was objectively terrible, though, just not for the reasons that many of the haters had.

It was a criminal waste of IP and squandering of the good parts of the franchise that had been culled from all the chaff of the seven previous movies.

I liked the Last Jedi, for, among other things, actually burning the franchise script on screen.

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DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:31:57am

re: #164 jaunte

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That all this actually needs to be spelled out in this kind of detail….

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:37:42am

An important thread about the victory the Confederates won to reestablish white supremacy; a history not taught in our schools.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:38:36am

I love Sopan, but this is another example of people not seeing the rhetorical jiujitsu in front of their faces, and instead throwing up their hands with a pox on all sides.

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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:39:21am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Good news from up north: Looks like the Conservative Andrew Scheer will NOT be the next Canadian Prime Minister.

Projections are for a Liberal minority government. Hopefully the NDP (far left party) can help shore up Parliament to keep the Conservative agenda at bay.

It may just be me, but reading the New York Timesreport on the Canadian elections was a pretty annoying experience this morning. As usual the Times seems utterly unable to publish any reportage on a liberal politician (especially when they win) without carping qualifications. To judge by the NYT’s writers, the election was mainly (if not entirely) a personal referendum on Justin Trudeau, and his election “victory” a sort of “reluctant” endorsement (their words): since the bulk of the article dwelt on Trudeau’s foibles and “disappointments” - to the exclusion of almost any other issues.

Now I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to make an informed analysis, but ISTM that the election had to be more than just a “beauty contest” - to me, the main takeaway (though one had to read between the lines) was the failure of the Canadian Right to make much headway outside of their normal base - and despite the Internet hype - the unpopularity of Trumpism Lite North Of The Border: but then, I guess there’s that “liberal media bias” in action…..

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:45:37am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

The media thinks this is all a game.

For them, it is. In “Turning Lead into Gold”, Terry Pratchett discusses the newspaper business. One day the Dwarves publish a letter to the editor saying X, the next day, one saying !X. Someone asks about the divergent opinion and the owner/editor says, “who cares?” more readers, more gold.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:46:10am

re: #171 NO SMOCKING GUN!

An important thread about the victory the Confederates won to reestablish white supremacy; a history not taught in our schools.

How we teach history is as much history as the actual events themselves. We’re finally looking at the Grant Presidency without the eyes of historians influenced by opposition to Radical Reconstruction. The Grant Presidency definitely had corrupt elements but what was not taught for a long time and should be taught was that his administration did declare the Klan a terrorist organization and he was all about protecting the rights of the freedmen in the South. Last year I read a book about The Great Migration and I’ve more recently read both Barack and Michelle Obama’s books. I’m a white guy. No African-American heritage at all. I’ll admit here that I’ll never 100% understand what the black experience was like in this country but so much of what black people have and continue to go through is horrible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:51:41am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

How we teach history is as much history as the actual events themselves. .

In school, we were taught about Christopher Columbus in terms of the triumph of perseverance and human spirit and our innate drive to explore and push the boundaries of knowledge.

They simply glossed over and played down what he did once he landed, and what followed after he opened up the Americas to European conquest and exploitation.

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mmmirele  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:51:42am

re: #172 Citizen K

I gave Josh Hawley a piece of my mind. My late father was born into a sharecropping family in Oklahoma. He left in 1952 for California because there was no work in Oklahoma. My mother’s parents got married in the next county over from my dad’s family in 1935 and they picked up and left for California the next year, again, because there was no work. Josh Hawley is disrespecting my parents and grandparents and I am pissed off at that son of a banker who went to Stanford and Yale.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:53:32am

re: #171 NO SMOCKING GUN!

An important thread about the victory the Confederates won to reestablish white supremacy; a history not taught in our schools.

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Great thread. Thanks.

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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:53:33am

re: #173 Jay C

It may just be me, but reading the New York Timesreport on the Canadian elections was a pretty annoying experience this morning. As usual the Times seems utterly unable to publish any reportage on a liberal politician (especially when they win) without carping qualifications. To judge by the NYT’s writers, the election was mainly (if not entirely) a personal referendum on Justin Trudeau, and his election “victory” a sort of “reluctant” endorsement (their words): since the bulk of the article dwelt on Trudeau’s foibles and “disappointments” - to the exclusion of almost any other issues.

Now I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to make an informed analysis, but ISTM that the election had to be more than just a “beauty contest” - to me, the main takeaway (though one had to read between the lines) was the failure of the Canadian Right to make much headway outside of their normal base - and despite the Internet hype - the unpopularity of Trumpism Lite North Of The Border: but then, I guess there’s that “liberal media bias” in action…..

ADD: Scott Lemieux at LG&M has a more-succinct take.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:53:48am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In school, we were taught about Christopher Columbus in terms of the triumph of perseverance and human spirit and our innate drive to explore and push the boundaries of knowledge.

They simply glossed over and played down what he did once he landed, and what followed after he opened up the Americas to European conquest and exploitation.

Yes exactly. I was taught the same thing.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:54:32am
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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:55:29am

re: #177 mmmirele

I gave Josh Hawley a piece of my mind. My late father was born into a sharecropping family in Oklahoma. He left in 1952 for California because there was no work in Oklahoma. My mother’s parents got married in the next county over from my dad’s family in 1935 and they picked up and left for California the next year, again, because there was no work. Josh Hawley is disrespecting my parents and grandparents and I am pissed off at that son of a banker who went to Stanford and Yale.

But don’t you get it, you have roots in California, and you don’t hate the right people like he does, that’s the textbook* definition of “elitist”!

*Textbook in question uses the KTV (King Trump Version) definition of “elitist”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:57:12am

re: #181 Belafon

He most certainly will be. It’s inevitable.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:58:42am

re: #154 lawhawk

Where are all the GOP in disarray stories since you’ve got a bunch of GOPers running campaigns against Trump and seeking to primary his corrupt ass, while the party is trying to squash dissent by canceling primaries where it can?

Shouldn’t that be a front page thing since you’ve got a sitting occupant in the WH who is being challenged by multiple people in the party because of his criminal and impeachable conduct, and yet the Times and others don’t want to pay any attention or heed to the chaos that Trump brings with him.

That would be because The Gray Lady stands for the “status quo” above all else, which is either keeping Trump in office or putting a “moderate Dem” in the office in his place. Hence why they’re avoiding any talk of his facing primary challengers and (as seen in the op-ed Maggie linked to) portraying the Dems as afraid Warren can’t win and looking for a new “moderate” to enter the fray as the party’s savior. Hillary Clinton? Mike Bloomberg? John Kerry? These are not names you reference when you want to talk about candidates who appeal to the party’s base, they’re names you bring up when you want to assure the party’s money men that they’re safe from real regulation and taxes.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:58:46am

I’ve heard people think this kind of stuff is too silly but it’s straight from the GOP playbook and it’s the kind of thing that makes stuff stick in people’s minds.

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:00:18am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:00:49am

re: #185 Belafon

I’ve heard people think this kind of stuff is too silly but it’s straight from the GOP playbook and it’s the kind of thing that makes stuff stick in people’s minds.

Politics is showmanship. Something called the SWAMP Act will get attention. This absolutely should.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:03:01am

re: #177 mmmirele

I gave Josh Hawley a piece of my mind. My late father was born into a sharecropping family in Oklahoma. He left in 1952 for California because there was no work in Oklahoma. My mother’s parents got married in the next county over from my dad’s family in 1935 and they picked up and left for California the next year, again, because there was no work. Josh Hawley is disrespecting my parents and grandparents and I am pissed off at that son of a banker who went to Stanford and Yale.

Elitist is just right wing buzztalk for a liberal person who can acknowledge our privileges and that the country isn’t just for people who look like us. Trump is the biggest elitist we’ve had as POTUS in my life.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:03:23am

re: #185 Belafon

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I’ve heard people think this kind of stuff is too silly but it’s straight from the GOP playbook and it’s the kind of thing that makes stuff stick in people’s minds.

People forget that the USA-PATRIOT act is a backronym too.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:04:01am
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Mike Lamb  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:05:37am

re: #156 DangerMan

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“Dems are the real racists!” incoming.

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Targetpractice  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:06:02am

re: #185 Belafon

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I’ve heard people think this kind of stuff is too silly but it’s straight from the GOP playbook and it’s the kind of thing that makes stuff stick in people’s minds.

I’ll be surprised if it makes it out of committee, let alone gets a floor vote, but the very existence of it will likely send Donny into the stratosphere.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:10:24am

re: #191 Mike Lamb

“Dems are the real racists!” incoming.

I can’t tell you how many conservatives I know that seriously think using what the parties were 150 years ago is actually an intelligent way of discussing the issues. The Democratic Party of 150 years ago was awful. It’s also not the party it is now. And conservative Republicans can’t take credit for Lincoln while they defend the flag of the man who murdered him.

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carey94tt  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:13:43am

re: #97 Amory Blaine

IMO Rogue One was the best movie after The Empire Strikes Back. :)

+100

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:14:49am
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Semper Fi  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:15:24am

I have not seen ‘anymouse’ in awhile now…is he traveling or taking another break or something? I miss his input.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:16:11am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I can’t tell you how many conservatives I know that seriously think using what the parties were 150 years ago is actually an intelligent way of discussing the issues. The Democratic Party of 150 years ago was awful. It’s also not the party it is now. And conservative Republicans can’t take credit for Lincoln while they defend the flag of the man who murdered him.

They are going to howl for the “people that look like you” comment in the same way they went ballistic when Obama said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:18:06am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Rob Ford’s widow was running as a People’s Party candidate in his old stomping ground. Her victory party didn’t go as planned.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:20:33am

re: #196 Semper Fi

I have not seen ‘anymouse’ in awhile now…is he traveling or taking another break or something? I miss his input.

There was a late night spat involving him and others.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:22:13am

Balloon Juice runs Hollywood Reporter segments for ad revenue. One of them announced that Monica Lewinsky will be producing an HBO piece about Bill Clinton’s impeachment as told through her eyes.

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mmmirele  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:22:47am

Ugh, ugh, ugh. This is a hazard of getting old.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:23:56am

Twitter is down…. which can mean only one thing - the tangerine toddler is going to be off the rails as his staff tries to console him.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:25:49am

re: #201 mmmirele

Ugh, ugh, ugh. This is a hazard of getting old.

He shouldn’t be allowed to go home. He’s much safer on Habitat for Humanity sites.

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lizardofid  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:27:10am

re: #186 plansbandc

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I have to wonder if the flowers might include “a faded rose from days gone by”?

; )

Oh….. good morning!

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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:30:47am

re: #201 mmmirele

Ugh, ugh, ugh. This is a hazard of getting old.

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It also seems to a hazard of being Jimmy Carter. It seems that reports of his injuries/illnesses have been way more common of late.

A broken hip at 95 is no small matter: I think the former President ought to finally think about retiring: Habitat For Humanity can keep on doing its good work without his personal hands-on involvement: and he can wait for the news of the extinction of the guinea worm at home….

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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:32:41am

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:34:51am

re: #66 plansbandc

So I experienced the gee you are fat and I don’t like you thing at my women’s chorus tonight. I guess that fat phobia is universal.

it is the New Calvinism: being thin is seen as ultimate outward sign of Inner Grace

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:36:22am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is the New Calvinism: being thin is seen as ultimate outward sign of Inner Grace

Mom’s Pulpit Pimp sure loved to scream at me for being overweight…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:38:04am

re: #206 retired cynic

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:39:31am

Impeachment is a constitutionally mandated process.

Lynching is an extrajudicial act by a lawless bunch of white folks out to murder nonwhites to keep them subservient, afraid for their lives, and to maintain white supremacy.

So of course Graham is pandering to the bigot brigade.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:46:45am

re: #210 lawhawk

Impeachment is a constitutionally mandated process.

Lynching is an extrajudicial act by a lawless bunch of white folks out to murder nonwhites to keep them subservient, afraid for their lives, and to maintain white supremacy.

So of course Graham is pandering to the bigot brigade.

Uh no Lindsay, it’s NOT a lynching in every sense but keep on lying.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:48:40am

re: #210 lawhawk

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Impeachment is a constitutionally mandated process.

Lynching is an extrajudicial act by a lawless bunch of white folks out to murder nonwhites to keep them subservient, afraid for their lives, and to maintain white supremacy.

So of course Graham is pandering to the bigot brigade.

Yep. That’s what folks complaining about this being a ‘distraction’ are whistling past: Trump is trying to undermine the legitimacy of the entire process of impeachment as much as he is wrapping himself in white supremacist persecution complex.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:53:14am

Article on how the msm got Trump elected president by making Clinton’s emails the overwhelmingly most important issue of 2016. vox.com

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:53:18am

re: #205 Jay C

It also seems to a hazard of being Jimmy Carter. It seems that reports of his injuries/illnesses have been way more common of late.

A broken hip at 95 is no small matter: I think the former President ought to finally think about retiring: Habitat For Humanity can keep on doing its good work without his personal hands-on involvement: and he can wait for the news of the extinction of the guinea worm at home….

Old age should burn and rave at close of day

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:55:37am

re: #213 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Article on how the msm got Trump elected president by making Clinton’s emails the overwhelmingly most important issue of 2016. vox.com

Meanwhile, we still have the vast majority of the discourse around Clinton acting like she’s the great Satan and anything she says must be direct opposite of truth and all that is good. Thus, Tulsi must be protected at all costs and if Trump wins, so be it, better than believing Hillary on anything…

Fuck it all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 7:59:21am

re: #215 Citizen K

Meanwhile, we still have the vast majority of the discourse around Clinton acting like she’s the great Satan and anything she says must be direct opposite of truth and all that is good. Thus, Tulsi must be protected at all costs and if Trump wins, so be it, better than believing Hillary on anything…

Fuck it all.

Note how the Screw York Times buried the story about how she was exonerated…

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:01:17am

re: #215 Citizen K

Meanwhile, we still have the vast majority of the discourse around Clinton acting like she’s the great Satan and anything she says must be direct opposite of truth and all that is good. Thus, Tulsi must be protected at all costs and if Trump wins, so be it, better than believing Hillary on anything…

Fuck it all.

Cassandra: Nobody believes me when I tell them the truth.
Clinton: Hold my beer, please.
Cassandra: Why would I need to….oh.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:04:56am

re: #91 Targetpractice

I wonder if JJ is gonna get as much shit for this as Trekkies gave him for Khan being the villain of Into Darkness.

JJ Abrams brings a lot of stuff on himself.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:05:18am

re: #216 Joe Bacon 🌹

Note how the Screw York Times buried the story about how she was exonerated…

re: #217 Belafon

Cassandra: Nobody believes me when I tell them the truth.
Clinton: Hold my beer, please.
Cassandra: Why would I need to….oh.

It really honest to god feels like even Dems hate Hillary Clinton more than they hate Trump and that’s just…

Fuck this shit.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:06:02am

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

JJ Abrams brings a lot of stuff on himself.

He does what he does, I like his Star Trek work a lot, less so his Star Wars

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:07:09am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Probably should have specified that when I said “second film,” I was really talking about The Last Jedi.

I was really not pleased with The Last Jedi.

Rogue One was a far, far better movie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:07:38am

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:09:20am

re: #219 Citizen K

It really honest to god feels like even Dems hate Hillary Clinton more than they hate Trump and that’s just…

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I think on the Dem side it’s divided into those that support Bernie above all others (not all Bernie supporters) some of which I don’t think are real people anyway, and endities backing Tulsi, Yang, and a few others, and the rest of us. It seems like a lot of people because they are loud and probably computer generated.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:12:04am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He does what he does, I like his Star Trek work a lot, less so his Star Wars

White washing Khan was not a good look. Other than that, I generally liked Into Darkness, and I am willing to forgive the plot holes [like Khan somehow teleporting to Q’onoS (huh??!!) and the pursuit party not doing likewise.] The movie was still fun.

I admit that I was one of the people vehemently speaking out against JJ Abrams doing a live action version of the anime Your Name.

Just ugh. Please, God, no.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:13:58am

re: #196 Semper Fi

He’s more often over at Wonkette these days.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:14:44am

re: #26 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Correct. The Premier for Ontario is a wingnut. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:15:32am

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

Correct. The Premier for Ontario is a wingnut. Sigh.

Pressing for Canuxit?

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:16:01am
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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:16:39am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pressing for Canuxit?

Speaking of:

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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:18:08am

re: #206 retired cynic

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:18:48am

re: #229 Citizen K

I will embrace Alberta Annexation as part of a package deal that also gives statehood to DC and the various US territories.

US would look cool with a panhandle sticking up like that, and it would vastly enhance the US Rodeo Circuit…

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:21:56am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:22:37am

re: #228 lawhawk

Glad to see Jeb saying this. I don’t like him but it’s a fucked up comment for so many reasons.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:23:30am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

US would look cool with a panhandle sticking up like that, and it would vastly enhance the US Rodeo Circuit…

I can do without the Flames or Oilers though personally. And not sure the Eskimos or Stampeders would fit well in the NFL or even XFL.

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Semper Fi  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:24:46am

re: #199 Belafon

There was a late night spat involving him and others.

Thank you. The night shift sometimes get rowdy. I love them all anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:25:43am

re: #173 Jay C

Now I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to make an informed analysis, but ISTM that the election had to be more than just a “beauty contest” - to me, the main takeaway (though one had to read between the lines) was the failure of the Canadian Right to make much headway outside of their normal base - and despite the Internet hype - the unpopularity of Trumpism Lite North Of The Border: but then, I guess there’s that “liberal media bias” in action…..

Okay, so here’s some Canadian Politics 101 for you:

Canadian Senators are not elected, they are appointed. As such, in a Federal election only the seats in the House of Commons (the Canadian equivalent of the House of Representatives) are up for grabs. There are 338 seats and thus you need 170 for a majority government.

There are five main parties that have run in every Canadian election for the past 20 years:

Liberal party = Self explanatory

Conservative party = Also Self explanatory

NDP = New Democratic Party. Further left than the Liberals

Green Party = Similar to the NDP but with the obvious environmental bent. A lot like the American version of the same.

Bloc Qubecois = This is an odd one as, despite the fact Canadian elections are FEDERAL, the Bloc runs candidates ONLY in Quebec. As such, they can never gain enough seats to elect a Prime Minister though I believe they could potentially be the official opposition if the math worked out a certain way. They have strong ties to the Quebec separatist movement.

Of these five parties, like in the United States, only politicians from the traditional Liberal and Conservative parties have ever become Prime Minister.

Here’s how Canada breaks down politically in terms of Geography:

Atlantic Canada = Typically trends Liberal, though sometimes NDP and Conservatives can pick up a few seats there.

Quebec = Usually decided between Liberals and the Bloc, but Conservatives can sometimes get seats there too.

Northern Canada (Yukon/NWT/Nunavut) = Typically tracks more Liberal/NDP

Manitoba/Saskatchewan/Alberta = Trend more conservative though Manitoba sometimes draws some Liberal support

B.C. - More Liberal than the other western provinces, especially the further west you go. Usually splits Conservative and NDP.

And then there’s Ontario - It’s the biggest Canadian version of a “Swing state” because while there are areas in Quebec and Atlantic Canada that can sometimes flip, Ontario contains over 60% of the Canadian population and thus has the largest number of seats in the House.

Southern Ontario typically tracks more Liberal though not always. Depending on sentiment Conservatives can sometimes make substantial inroads there. The NDP typically usually picks up a few seats in Ontario as well. The sparsely populated north of Ontario, as you might have guessed, typically tracks Conservative.

The bottom line to all this is that Canadian elections are won and lost primarily in Ontario and Quebec.

Here’s the map from last nights vote that illustrates what I am saying.

Color Key: Red - Liberal, Blue - Conservative, Orange - NDP, Light Blue - Bloc Quebcois

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:27:50am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Now I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to make an informed analysis, but ISTM that the election had to be more than just a “beauty contest” - to me, the main takeaway (though one had to read between the lines) was the failure of the Canadian Right to make much headway outside of their normal base - and despite the Internet hype - the unpopularity of Trumpism Lite North Of The Border: but then, I guess there’s that “liberal media bias” in action…..

Okay, so here’s some Canadian Politics 101 for you:

Canadian Senators are not elected, they are appointed. As such, in a Federal election all seats in the House of Commons (the Canadian equivalent of the House of Representatives) are up for grabs. There are 338 seats and thus you need 170 for a majority government.

There are five main parties that have run in every Canadian election for the past 20 years:

Liberal party = Self explanatory

Conservative party = Also Self explanatory

NDP = New Democratic Party. Further left than the Liberals

Green Party = Similar to the NDP but with the obvious environmental bent. A lot like the American version of the same.

Bloc Qubecois = This is an odd one as, despite the fact Canadian elections are FEDERAL, the Bloc runs candidates ONLY in Quebec. As such, they can never gain enough seats to elect a Prime Minister though I believe they could potentially be the official opposition if the math worked out a certain way. They have strong ties to the Quebec separatist movement.

Of these five parties, like in the United States, only politicians from the traditional Liberal and Conservative parties have ever become Prime Minister.

Here’s how Canada breaks down politically in terms of Geography:

Atlantic Canada = Typically trends Liberal, though sometimes NDP and Conservatives can pick up a few seats there.

Quebec = Usually decided between Liberals and the Bloc, but Conservatives can sometimes get seats there too.

Northern Canada (Yukon/NWT/Nunavut) = Typically tracks more Liberal/NDP

Manitoba/Saskatchewan/Alberta = Trend more conservative though Manitoba sometimes draws some Liberal support

B.C. - More Liberal than the other western provinces, especially the further west you go. Usually splits Conservative and NDP.

And then there’s Ontario - It’s the biggest Canadian version of a “Swing state” because while there are areas in Quebec and Atlantic Canada that can sometimes flip, Ontario contains over 60% of the Canadian population and thus has the largest number of seats in the House.

Southern Ontario typically tracks more Liberal though not always. Depending on sentiment Conservatives can sometimes make substantial inroads there. The NDP typically usually picks up a few seats in Ontario as well. The sparsely populated north of Ontario, as you might have guessed, typically tracks Conservative.

The bottom line to all this is that Canadian elections are won and lost primarily in Ontario and Quebec.

Here’s the map from last nights vote that illustrates what I am saying.

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Color Key: Red - Liberal, Blue - Conservative, Orange - NDP, Light Blue - Bloc Quebcois

Thanks. Very informative.

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Semper Fi  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:28:42am

re: #225 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

He’s more often over at Wonkette these days.

Thank you. I have never visited Wonkette.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:28:58am

re: #221 Scottish Dragon

I was really not pleased with The Last Jedi.

Rogue One was a far, far better movie.

Since the Last Jedi was part two of a Trilogy, I am not going to pass my final thoughts on it until after I see Rise of Skywalker.

But I do feel they totally mishandled Luke in that movie.

I also agree with you that Rogue One was good.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:30:35am

re: #232 Disloyal Archangel

Hillary stuck the floppy discs in bleach!

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:34:10am

re: #204 lizardofid

I see what you did there. ; )

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:34:13am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

US would look cool with a panhandle sticking up like that, and it would vastly enhance the US Rodeo Circuit…

Back when it looked like Quebec might actually secede, I imagined Canada falling apart and the other provinces becoming states.

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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:40:13am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks for the breakdown.

I guess it’s a function of the map projection, but it doesn’t look - from the color-coding - that the Liberals scored enough seats for even a plurality. Are those subdivisions on the map electoral/Congressional districts?

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:41:22am

re: #225 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

What’s his name over there? I forgot.

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:43:30am

wut

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:47:52am

re: #245 plansbandc

wut

You know I gotta ask what’s in the picture.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:50:50am

re: #246 Belafon

You know I gotta ask what’s in the picture.

a baby possum on an Arby’s table

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plansbandc  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:53:09am

re: #246 Belafon

A dude with a baby possum eating at Arby’s. Possum is sitting on the table eating off the dude’s tray.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:54:58am

re: #245 plansbandc

I kinda understand, cute baby ‘possum is too easily taken for a rat at first glance or from a distance

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mmmirele  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:57:25am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I kinda understand, cute baby ‘possum is too easily taken for a rat at first glance or from a distance

The person bitching recognized it as a possum. Not cutting this person any slack.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 8:59:12am

re: #250 mmmirele

The person bitching recognized it as a possum. Not cutting this person any slack.

even cute baby possums can carry disease and vermin. I would have no problem, but some folks are a bit touchier about animals in restaurants.

dogs are a common sight in restaurants in most of Europe, outdoor places even put out water dishes for them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:00:56am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, so here’s some Canadian Politics 101 for you:

Canadian Senators are not elected, they are appointed. As such, in a Federal election only the seats in the House of Commons (the Canadian equivalent of the House of Representatives) are up for grabs. There are 338 seats and thus you need 170 for a majority government.

There are five main parties that have run in every Canadian election for the past 20 years:

Liberal party = Self explanatory
Conservative party = Also Self explanatory
NDP = New Democratic Party. Further left than the Liberals
Green Party = Similar to the NDP but with the obvious environmental bent. A lot like the American version of the same.
Bloc Qubecois = This is an odd one as, despite the fact Canadian elections are FEDERAL, the Bloc runs candidates ONLY in Quebec. As such, they can never gain enough seats to elect a Prime Minister though I believe they could potentially be the official opposition if the math worked out a certain way. They have strong ties to the Quebec separatist movement.

Of these five parties, like in the United States, only politicians from the traditional Liberal and Conservative parties have ever become Prime Minister.

Here’s how Canada breaks down politically in terms of Geography:

Atlantic Canada = Typically trends Liberal, though sometimes NDP and Conservatives can pick up a few seats there.

Quebec = Usually decided between Liberals and the Bloc, but Conservatives can sometimes get seats there too.

Northern Canada (Yukon/NWT/Nunavut) = Typically tracks more Liberal/NDP

Manitoba/Saskatchewan/Alberta = Trend more conservative though Manitoba sometimes draws some Liberal support

B.C. - More Liberal than the other western provinces, especially the further west you go. Usually splits Conservative and NDP.

And then there’s Ontario - It’s the biggest Canadian version of a “Swing state” because while there are areas in Quebec and Atlantic Canada that can sometimes flip, Ontario contains over 60% of the Canadian population and thus has the largest number of seats in the House.

Southern Ontario typically tracks more Liberal though not always. Depending on sentiment Conservatives can sometimes make substantial inroads there. The NDP typically usually picks up a few seats in Ontario as well. The sparsely populated north of Ontario, as you might have guessed, typically tracks Conservative.

The bottom line to all this is that Canadian elections are won and lost primarily in Ontario and Quebec.

Let me add a couple of things.

The Conservatives (actually called the Progressive Conservative Party [sure, Jan]) is stronger in Ontario outside of the Toronto area. Just like small town America, small town Canada feels that they are ignored (they often are right) and to give a shining example, some schmuck in Toronto wrote an OpEd in the Globe and Mail (I believe) that southern small town Ontario was thrilled to be getting all the garbage and toxic waste from the TO area because, hey, we are used to it. Our mayor wrote back his own OpEd and lambasted the first guy (deservedly so).

For example, my riding reelected a toxic religious nutbag con. And religion in Canadian politics is very unusual. Yet here we are.

What happened in Quebec last night…I have no idea. Why they went back to the BQ kinda blows my mind and I don’t understand it at all.

Western Canada is all about the oil, so they always go PC.

The Cons lost because Sheer was

1) a dual citizen (US and Canada) and that, when discovered, was very unpopular (especially considering how he gave a ton of shit to someone else who was a dual citizen previously…very hypocritical, but that is the right anyway),

2) he is really dumb (and was shown to be in many interviews), and,

3) IMHO, the biggest thing that went against him was that he openly went against climate change where that is a huge issue in Canada. So while it may sell well in his already strong hold, it alienated the entire rest of the country.

The cons could and likely will win in the future when they run a smarter candidate with a more moderate message (that they don’t mean but someone smart enough to say the right things before the election, something Sheer did not do. All Sheer did was attack Trudeau and talk about tax cuts [sound familiar?] and that, too, did not play well.)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:02:56am

re: #229 Citizen K

Ezra Levant … the Breitbart of the north.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:04:16am

re: #245 plansbandc

wut

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:04:50am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

even cute baby possums can carry disease and vermin. I would have no problem, but some folks are a bit touchier about animals in restaurants.

dogs are a common sight in restaurants in most of Europe, outdoor places even put out water dishes for them.

I would totes want to go play with the little guy.

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John Hughes  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:16:38am

re: #21 stpaulbear

I get ALGOL, LISP and unprogrammable.

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John Hughes  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:22:19am

re: #34 Sherlock Hound

Doesn’t she have insurance? She could have met with her gyno before telling Twitter..

She’s British.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:24:51am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:28:01am

re: #86 Amory Blaine

I wonder what they called them before.

Candles.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:30:48am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:34:24am

re: #243 Jay C

Thanks for the breakdown.

I guess it’s a function of the map projection, but it doesn’t look - from the color-coding - that the Liberals scored enough seats for even a plurality. Are those subdivisions on the map electoral/Congressional districts?

No, that is a broad based map. Every red/blue/orange area includes multiple seats. In Southern Ontario, for example, a lot of seats are clustered in a small geographical area so even a little speck of red can account for, say, 25 seats.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:35:40am

Lre: #258 gocart mozart

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Gravel should be so proud of himself that this is going to be his lasting impression. What a fucking mess.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:43:49am

Limbaugh just said the reason California is having all these problems with wildfires is because it’s a result of the decades of environmental regulations that prevent forest managers from trimming trees near power lines.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:44:15am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:44:55am

re: #263 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh just said the reason California is having all these problems with wildfires is because it’s a result of the decades of environmental regulations that prevent forest managers from trimming trees.

You know Rush, let the scientists do science and they’ll let you do the hillbilly heroin take.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:45:20am

re: #253 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Ezra Levant … the Breitbart of the north.

Yep. Former employer of a certain Gavin McInnes too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:46:54am

re: #264 Scottish Dragon

Whenever I see the name Hogan Gidley, I feel like it should belong to an annoying secondary character from an old 60s or 70s TV show.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:46:59am

re: #263 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh just said the reason California is having all these problems with wildfires is because it’s a result of the decades of environmental regulations that prevent forest managers from trimming trees near power lines.

He claimed that it was “environmental whackos” who prevented California from building enough power plants for the rolling blackouts in the 90’s when it was companies like Enron engaging in speculation on energy prices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:47:49am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Whenever I see the name Hogan Gidley, I feel like it should belong to an annoying secondary character from an old 60s or 70s TV show.

Gidleygan’s Island?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:48:09am

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

Whenever I see the name Hogan Gidley, I feel like it should belong to an annoying secondary character from an old 60s or 70s TV show.

I think 80’s WASP Ski bully but yours works too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:48:44am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Gidleygan’s Island?

Hogan Gilligan’s Stalag Island.

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Broad With Sass  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:53:04am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 9:55:42am

re: #272 Broad With Sass

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First he belittles the electoral process (“rigged against me”), the apparatus of government (“Deep State”) the Free Press (“fake news”), and the US courts and justice system (“Witch hunt”, “lynch mob”)

He would simply shut them all down and replace it with his own personally chosen appointees.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:11:42am
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:12:13am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I’m so tired that I didn’t even notice that the orange motherfucker compared it to a lynching. Ignorant fucker has no idea what a lynching actually is even though he wanted to do one to the Central Park Five.

I think he knows very well what a lynching is. It’s just that he believes that a non-white somebody else getting lynched IS equivalent to his being held accountable.

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terraincognita  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:12:50am

Noon: President Trump received an intelligence briefing.

Yes, briefly sir, you have no intelligence.

Today is National Nut Day.

Yes. it is.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:14:48am
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:17:06am

Remember when Conservatives would tell African-Americans to “get over it” about historical grievances?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:17:33am

re: #275 Jebediah, RBG

I think he knows very well what a lynching is. It’s just that he believes that a non-white somebody else getting lynched IS equivalent to his being held accountable.

Clarence Thomas employed the term with great effect during his confirmation hearings. Don’t assume Trump knows anything about the past — he is just effective at taking phrases he’s heard and converting them for his own use. He doesn’t care or know about anything that happened before his birth.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:23:40am

There are still people (conservatives) who think Emmett Till “instigated” his murder.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:29:32am

Highly damaging account of Trumpworld doing the quid pro quo from first hand source.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:39:19am

Mountain pygmy possum. As you can see, the little fellow is easy to carry around and he probably doesn’t eat much:

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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:41:25am

re: #282 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Mountain pygmy possum. As you can see, the little fellow is easy to carry around and he probably doesn’t eat much:

[Embedded content]

he looks like a Disney animated mouse.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:42:42am
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Alephnaught  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:59:29am

re: #210 lawhawk

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:01:24am
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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:48:10am

re: #205 Jay C

It also seems to a hazard of being Jimmy Carter. It seems that reports of his injuries/illnesses have been way more common of late.

A broken hip at 95 is no small matter: I think the former President ought to finally think about retiring: Habitat For Humanity can keep on doing its good work without his personal hands-on involvement: and he can wait for the news of the extinction of the guinea worm at home….

No. He should do what he wants to do. That is what has kept him going!


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