As State Dept. Investigation Clears Hillary Clinton of Wrongdoing, Rachel Maddow Blasts Media for Their Obsession With the Bogus Email Controversy [VIDEO]

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This week the State Department released the results of their years-long investigation into Hillary Clinton’s handling of her email, and exonerated her of any deliberate wrongdoing.

To many of us, it was incredibly obvious that this story was being blown way out of proportion, but the media — especially the New York Times — engaged in a grotesque feeding frenzy, publishing hundreds of articles insinuating there was something horribly wrong, and playing right into the hands of Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

It was a monumental smear campaign, and instead of exposing it, most of the US media just jumped onboard and helped it spread. And there’s every indication that they’ve learned nothing from this debacle, and will eagerly do the same thing again.

As Maddow says in this clip, “Where do we go to get the last four and a half years back?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:41:09am

media just doing what they do, drawing viewers so they can sell advertising time at better rates…

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:41:23am

Carlos Danger approves this message.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:42:48am
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piratedan  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:43:10am

ahhhh, but that’s your current media, working as designed. When some asshats on the SCOTUS determined that News didn’t need a fairness doctrine, when national networks no longer had the responsibility to inform the public on the events of the day and issues for the future, it kind of all went into the shitter didn’t it?

people point to the decline in our morals as being a lack of faith or a turning away from religion and I think it’s more apt to be when the 4th estate, in all of its forms, no longer became driven by the discovery of truth and became beholden to revenue.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:43:20am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:43:33am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:53:56am

re: #5 lawhawk

upding for “Chucklefucks” (I know you didn’t originate it)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:55:57am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

upding for “Chucklefucks” (I know you didn’t originate it)

The collective term being a “Clusterchuckle”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:56:47am

re: #5 lawhawk

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A goat rodeo.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:57:06am

...

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 10:58:48am

re: #4 piratedan

ahhhh, but that’s your current media, working as designed. When some asshats on the SCOTUS determined that News didn’t need a fairness doctrine, when national networks no longer had the responsibility to inform the public on the events of the day and issues for the future, it kind of all went into the shitter didn’t it?

people point to the decline in our morals as being a lack of faith or a turning away from religion and I think it’s more apt to be when the 4th estate, in all of its forms, no longer became driven by the discovery of truth and became beholden to revenue.

very nicely expanded on my original riff. They no longer feel any need to inform or educate, just fill airtime and sell advertising.

they had a natural affinity for Trump as a media entity

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:01:20am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

upding for “Chucklefucks” (I know you didn’t originate it)

Doing my part to update the English language in the most colorful manner possible.

/would you like to know more?

Dumbassery
dumbfuckery
bulkshit
chucklefucks

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:02:16am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

What angers me thinking about it was that some of the left went along with because HRC wasn’t ideologically good enough. We fucked ourselvds

Unfair to goats.

True….but it does have a meaning all the same…;)

A goat rodeo is a slang term for something going totally, unbelievably, disastrously wrong, and there’s nothing left to do but to sit back and watch the trainwreck.

In other words, a goat rodeo is a chaotic situation, fiasco, or, more vulgarly, a shitshow. And yes, there are also literal goat rodeos.

Also:

A Goat Rodeo AKA Goat Rope, is about the most polite term used by aviation people (and others in higher risk situations) to describe a scenario that requires about 100 things to go right at once if you intend to walk away from it.

Yes, I first heard the term in aviation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:02:40am

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

Every Trumpster parrots “deep state” and “unelected bureaucrat” conspiracy theories. They are all in love with Putin or vocally discount his influence. Supporting Trump is incompatible with being a decent person or loyal American, though I suppose someone could argue that many supporters are brainwashed and ignorant — just like Hitler’s supporters in Germany. Whatever a voter may have thought in 2016, courtesy of the malfeasance of the American MSM and Comey, there is no longer any justification for believing in Trump, except if you are a person with no morals or ethics.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:02:54am
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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:03:55am

Trump’s response thus far is that he’s being lynched.

It will be upgraded to: Trump being the victim of a final solution conspiracy by globalists (because you know this is how he operates).

The party of personal responsibility rarely takes personal responsibility when they can deflect, dodge, and project on to their rivals/enemies, coupled with IOKIYAR. They’re a blizzard of snowflakes.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:04:39am

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

Every Trumpster parrots “deep state” and “unelected bureaucrat” conspiracy theories. They are all in love with Putin or vocally discount his influence. Supporting Trump is incompatible with being a decent person or loyal American, though I suppose someone could argue that many supporters are brainwashed and ignorant — just like Hitler’s supporters in Germany. Whatever a voter may have thought in 2016, courtesy of the malfeasance of the American MSM and Comey, there is no longer any justification for believing in Trump, except if you are a person with no morals or ethics.

This is why I think there will be a real attempt by Barr to open a criminal investigation of whomever the Dem nominee is, and that will provide the excuse Trump needs to ignore a possible EC loss.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:06:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:06:34am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

This is why I think there will be a real attempt by Barr to open a criminal investigation of whomever the Dem nominee is, and that will provide the excuse Trump needs to ignore a possible EC loss.

That sounds like a viable long-game strategy, their excuse now being that any politician is fair game since they are persecuting Trump so mercilessly.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:07:50am

Joe Walsh is still a jerk, but by God he is actually interesting.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:10:01am
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:10:11am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

This is why I think there will be a real attempt by Barr to open a criminal investigation of whomever the Dem nominee is, and that will provide the excuse Trump needs to ignore a possible EC loss.

He can ignore it all he wants. The winner gets sworn in and in that instant he becomes private citizen trmp and if necessary his dumb ass gets dragged out of the WH by force.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:10:51am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

What angers me thinking about it was that some of the left went along with because HRC wasn’t ideologically good enough. We fucked ourselvds

Unfair to goats.

and unfair to Yo-Yo Ma

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:12:04am
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Alephnaught  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:13:38am

From previous thread:

re: #210 lawhawk

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:14:11am

re: #22 Jebediah, RBG

He can ignore it all he wants. The winner gets sworn in and in that instant he becomes private citizen trmp and if necessary his dumb ass gets dragged out of the WH by force.

It probably wouldn’t be that easy. He can drag things out in courts while his cronies at the state level try to have votes thrown out etc, His goal would be to have the election thrown to the House, which he would win since each delegation gets only one vote.

Basically, we could go to January with both sides claiming victory and no sense of what the outcome could be, and threats of states to ignore the results whichever way it goes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:14:57am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Profile in courage there.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:14:59am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:17:55am

re: #28 gocart mozart

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Now that Is a lynching. What’s being done here is not. Lindsay fucking knows this but he needs to score brownie points with the Orange Asshole.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:19:27am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Sure making Washington squeal, yes?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:19:36am

re: #15 gocart mozart

Your feel good story of the day.

Too bad it was only four years each. But they’ll find like minded asshole friends in prison, so I’m sure time will fly for them.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:19:47am

You know the GOP is fucked when Gym Jordan (R-sex predator enabler) is silent after testimony by Trump official:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:19:53am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Now that Is a lynching. What’s being done here is not. Lindsay fucking knows this but he needs to score brownie points with the Orange Asshole.

It is now the official talking point and they feel compelled to run with it, in the best cases, they will distance themselves but not refute it.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:21:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:23:11am

I really wonder what skeletons Graham has in his closet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:24:14am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Profile in courage there.

re: #24 Charles Johnson

….

Every incumbent Republican who expressed criticism, including Tim Scott the other Senator from SC, displayed the same level of bravery as Joni. The entire party is corrupt and cowardly and there doesn’t appear any savior on the horizon who will transform the party into what it once was: a forward-thinking party that believed in our nation and supported voting rights and civil rights. Those days are long gone.

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William Lewis  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:25:00am

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

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Let me get my M1906 saber and M1911 pistol…

Cavalry charge - Bugle Call

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:26:45am
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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:27:00am

I’m continuing to see that Taylor’s remarks are a sea change in the impeachment discussion.

We heard that before… but then again, we’re seeing polling show not only solidify behind impeaching Trump, but his removal.

The more information that comes out, the worse it gets for Trump. When you can get Jordan to STFU after testimony by Trump officials that explicitly corroborate the quid pro quo, it makes you perk up a bit.

Because Jordan will spin even the worst stuff as somehow being irrelevant. That he was stunned into silence tells you all you need to know.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:29:03am
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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:29:45am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Horseshoe theory and that Russian influence campaign targeted across the US political spectrum and hit the resonance frequencies around the following: Stein, Bernie, and Trump in 2016, and they’re intent on doing the same in 2020 with: Stein, Bernie, Tulsi, and Trump.

And we’ve got a media that seems to be down with that and no bother to investigate further. But that we’ve seen Tulsi refuse to reject the support she’s getting from the likes of Duke should make her absolutely toxic. That we’ve seen Bernie give a more spirited defense to Tulsi than he ever did for Clinton also speaks volumes.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:30:08am

“Is the accused innocent?”
“I think his lawyers did real good.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:31:07am

re: #39 lawhawk

I’m continuing to see that Taylor’s remarks are a sea change in the impeachment discussion.

We heard that before… but then again, we’re seeing polling show not only solidify behind impeaching Trump, but his removal.

The more information that comes out, the worse it gets for Trump. When you can get Jordan to STFU after testimony by Trump officials that explicitly corroborate the quid pro quo, it makes you perk up a bit.

Because Jordan will spin even the worst stuff as somehow being irrelevant. That he was stunned into silence tells you all you need to know.

Don’t worry: Once Jordan gets his talking points from Rudy and Trump and Faux News, he will spin this testimony. After all, truth is not one of his strong points.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:32:20am
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:33:14am

re: #26 Scottish Dragon

It probably wouldn’t be that easy. He can drag things out in courts while his cronies at the state level try to have votes thrown out etc, His goal would be to have the election thrown to the House, which he would win since each delegation gets only one vote.

Basically, we could go to January with both sides claiming victory and no sense of what the outcome could be, and threats of states to ignore the results whichever way it goes.

He needs a lot of support for that scenario to happen. We are watching his support slowly dissolve right now.
As for dragging things out, Bush v Gore showed that there is a significant faction that cannot comprehend getting to Inauguration Day without a winner, whether or not Bush v Gore is used as precedent. To drag things out that long, a lot of judges in a lot of different jurisdictions would have to be skeevy enough to not grant dismissals even when a case is facially absurd. I don’t think that he will still have enough pull by then to get even a fraction of that to occur.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:36:01am

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

John McCain

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:36:01am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:36:32am

re: #45 Jebediah, RBG

He needs a lot of support for that scenario to happen. We are watching his support slowly dissolve right now.
As for dragging things out, Bush v Gore showed that there is a significant faction that cannot comprehend getting to Inauguration Day without a winner, whether or not Bush v Gore is used as precedent. To drag things out that long, a lot of judges in a lot of different jurisdictions would have to be skeevy enough to not grant dismissals even when a case is facially absurd. I don’t think that he will still have enough pull by then to get even a fraction of that to occur.

Here’s hoping. The system is being stress tested badly, and it is starting to fail. I would be delighted to be wrong on this one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:36:57am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I agree 100% with your assessment. Trump will NEVER go quietly. His ego simply won’t let him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:38:01am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:38:40am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:39:10am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

And most of us old enough to know, knew who this guy was back in the 70’s.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:41:29am

re: #45 Jebediah, RBG

I think Barr will be the wild card factor. Can you imagine the pandemonium if he announces an indictment of a Dem president elect? We just heard today it looks like he is going after John Brennan, and I saw an hour ago that CIA analysts are lawyering up.

I would have thought the idea was farcical until a couple months ago when we found he is a conspiracy theory nut and is busy trying to rope the entire DOJ into going to down the rat hole with him. The Opus Dei inquisitor speech he gave last week doesn’t help.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:41:52am

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree 100% with your assessment. Trump will NEVER go quietly. His ego simply won’t let him.

and his business sense, his career will be set giving speeches and appearances explaining how he was cheated and hounded and lynched out of office

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:43:27am
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:44:48am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

A skeevy promoter, or actual four-legged rat?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:46:21am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and his business sense, his career will be set giving speeches and appearances explaining how he was cheated and hounded and lynched out of office

He”ll keep doing those fucking rallies until the end of time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:46:29am

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

I never thought that Joe Walsh would be making sense. And yes he is an asshole and yeah I don’t totally trust him but I’m hoping he gets on Trump’s nerves.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:50:12am

re: #53 Scottish Dragon

I think Barr will be the wild card factor. Can you imagine the pandemonium if he announces an indictment of a Dem president elect? We just heard today it looks like he is going after John Brennan, and I saw an hour ago that CIA analysts are lawyering up.

I would have thought the idea was farcical until a couple months ago when we found he is a conspiracy theory nut and is busy trying to rope the entire DOJ into going to down the rat hole with him. The Opus Dei inquisitor speech he gave last week doesn’t help.

Fucking Barr. Yeah, he could definitely be a factor, and is an example of the system’s stress test - can our system handle multiple agency heads/cabinet members etc who are both baldly criminal and subversive of their agencies’/positions intended function?
Another wild card that could be in our favor is trmp’s health, physical and mental. I have to believe there is a point where he will be gibbering so insanely that he loses his remaining support and/or loyalty.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:53:34am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Absolutely. He’s going to market his martyrhood for every last nickel he can get out of the red hat rubes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:55:09am

re: #22 Jebediah, RBG

He can ignore it all he wants. The winner gets sworn in and in that instant he becomes private citizen trmp and if necessary his dumb ass gets dragged out of the WH by force.

Don’t discount the possibility of Trump calling on his Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, Bikers 4 Trump and assorted motley militias to come to DC and defend the WH by force.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:56:09am

re: #61 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Don’t discount the possibility of Trump calling on his Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, Bikers 4 Trump and assorted motley militias to come to DC and defend the WH by force.

I’m worried about that. The Bikers I think already did security at one of his rallies.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:56:24am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:57:42am

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

This is why I think there will be a real attempt by Barr to open a criminal investigation of whomever the Dem nominee is, and that will provide the excuse Trump needs to ignore a possible EC loss.

If ignoring the results because of issues were a thing, we’d either be on Obama’s third term or Hillary’s first.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:58:46am

re: #64 Belafon

Well said.

But I seriously wonder how many Republicans would be totes cool with Trump ignoring the rules and just staying on for a third term.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:59:19am

re: #26 Scottish Dragon

It probably wouldn’t be that easy. He can drag things out in courts while his cronies at the state level try to have votes thrown out etc, His goal would be to have the election thrown to the House, which he would win since each delegation gets only one vote.

Basically, we could go to January with both sides claiming victory and no sense of what the outcome could be, and threats of states to ignore the results whichever way it goes.

If the Democrat wins the EC, then all of the EC states declare that person the winner, and it doesn’t matter what the other states do.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 11:59:27am

re: #61 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They might last about 15 Mins.

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:01:32pm

Read the entire thread, but basically…NYT being the NYT. Again. Even with all the competition from places like Facebook, the Times is trying really hard to be the sole reason the election swings to Trump.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:02:19pm

re: #48 Scottish Dragon

Here’s hoping. The system is being stress tested badly, and it is starting to fail. I would be delighted to be wrong on this one.

It’s failure will come when the American people give up on it and do vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:02:32pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

He”ll keep doing those fucking rallies until the end of time.

and charging admission and selling the broadcast rights

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:02:43pm

re: #26 Scottish Dragon

It probably wouldn’t be that easy. He can drag things out in courts while his cronies at the state level try to have votes thrown out etc, His goal would be to have the election thrown to the House, which he would win since each delegation gets only one vote.

Basically, we could go to January with both sides claiming victory and no sense of what the outcome could be, and threats of states to ignore the results whichever way it goes.

One vote per delegation only applies if no-one won the electoral college. If the Democrats win the House, they can certify the results if the Democrat won the EC. Question will be if Roberts joins the 4 other Rightwing Justices in throwing out the popular vote based on “massive voter fraud”, or if he will recognize that such a judicial coup could result in Civil War.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:02:56pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I’m worried about that. The Bikers I think already did security at one of his rallies.

that was a practice run

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:03:36pm

It too will be called Profiles in Cowardice.

I have zero patience or tolerance for these folks. Anyone in Trumpworld who hasn’t already come forward as an official whistleblower is complicit. Doesn’t matter that you turn around 2-3 years later and admit things are a shitshow.

You failed when the nation needed you most because you put party over nation - same as the rest of the GOP. Trump never belonged in the WH. He always lacked the character and judgment, and every passing day shows the folly of this craven, corrupt, and criminal enterprise.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:04:16pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

They might last about 15 Mins.

Remind all the militia types that the new president is in charge of the military and those groups will look like the militias of 1812.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:04:33pm

Meanwhile, across the Atlantic:

Britain’s departure from the European Union was thrown into chaos on Tuesday after parliament rejected Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s extremely tight timetable for ratifying his exit deal.

Ahead of the vote, Johnson had warned parliament that if it defeated him on the timetable and forced a delay until January then he would abandon his attempt to ratify the deal and push for an election instead under the slogan of “Get Brexit Done”.

Johnson was on Saturday forced by opponents into the humiliation of asking the EU for a delay beyond Oct. 31 that he had vowed he would never seek. The European Council president Donald Tusk said he is taking the request seriously.

Lawmakers voted 322 to 308 against the so-called Programme Motion which set out a three-day schedule to rush his deal through the House of Commons.

uk.reuters.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:06:04pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

They might last about 15 Mins.

Against who? A lot of cops and military are deplorables.

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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:07:55pm

re: #68 Citizen K

GOP or Russia? Is there a difference?

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:09:01pm

nofilmschool.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:09:05pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, across the Atlantic:

uk.reuters.com

Boris’ demand for a new election will fail, again, and Brexit will be delayed, again. Maybe for the last time though.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:10:16pm

re: #66 Belafon

If the Democrat wins the EC, then all of the EC states declare that person the winner, and it doesn’t matter what the other states do.

The trick is to get those EC vote where you need them.

Remember: The constitution leaves the detail of selecting electors to the states…and state legislatures can overturn an election and just assign their raft of electors. That nasty little tactic was in play during the 2000 election. Jeb Bush and the GOP already had the bill on the floor and ready to go if the recount went against them. They were going to invalidate the whole thing and select electors for Dubya.

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William Lewis  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:11:34pm

re: #61 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Don’t discount the possibility of Trump calling on his Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, Bikers 4 Trump and assorted motley militias to come to DC and defend the WH by force.

The 3rd Infantry Regiment “The Old Guard” would give them their brown pants.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:13:42pm

re: #71 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One vote per delegation only applies if no-one won the electoral college. If the Democrats win the House, they can certify the results if the Democrat won the EC. Question will be if Roberts joins the 4 other Rightwing Justices in throwing out the popular vote based on “massive voter fraud”, or if he will recognize that such a judicial coup could result in Civil War.

Throw up enough smoke and mud to try and keep the EC total below showing a winner would be Trump’s play I think.

And yeah, we would have a massive civil split if it came to that. It would be bad enough that no matter who came out on top, several states might simply declare they do not recognize the president.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:14:48pm

re: #81 William Lewis

The 3rd Infantry Regiment “The Old Guard” would give them their brown pants.

It’s the terrorism potential that is worrisome. Old guys in Rascal scooters can still make pipe bombs and shoot people.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:14:49pm

re: #76 NO SMOCKING GUN!

More are not and we’re talking Capital and DC Police. These guys understand their duty in a different way then some podunk from Fort Stockton.

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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:15:06pm

I’d rather be a brownshirt than a brownpants.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:15:51pm

re: #85 BigPapa

I’d rather be a brownshirt than a brownpants.

Wait, what??

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:18:15pm
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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:18:35pm

The overheated rhetoric from the right is re: #86 Scottish Dragon

Wait, what??

It’s a poop joke. Sgt Shitass reporting for duty, sir!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:18:52pm

re: #82 Scottish Dragon

Throw up enough smoke and mud to try and keep the EC total below showing a winner would be Trump’s play I think.

And yeah, we would have a massive civil split if it came to that. It would be bad enough that no matter who came out on top, several states might simply declare they do not recognize the president.

We had that once in our history and it did not turn out well

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:19:23pm

re: #88 BigPapa

The overheated rhetoric from the right is

It’s a poop joke. Sgt Shitass reporting for duty, sir!

Col. Nugent of the Upper Michigan Militia?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:20:50pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:21:24pm

re: #79 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Boris’ demand for a new election will fail, again, and Brexit will be delayed, again. Maybe for the last time though.

If I were running the EU, I’d give the UK a one year extension, expiring on October 31, 2020, with the option of leaving prior to that date if they can get their shit together.

That should give ‘em enough time.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:22:22pm

re: #84 Dave In Austin

More are not and we’re talking Capital and DC Police. These guys understand their duty in a different way then some podunk from Fort Stockton.

I could see a long siege happen. People would be understandably reluctant for a battle to envelop the WH, and Trump would exploit that to try to cling to power.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:23:43pm

re: #88 BigPapa

Oh, I gathered….I was just alarmed because “Brownshirt” has a very specific meaning with respect to the German Nazi SA Sturmabteilung.

I was pretty sure that is NOT what you meant…but you raised my eyebrows off my forehead,

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:24:02pm

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We had that once in our history and it did not turn out well

That is the risk. Trump doesn’t care, and we do. He would burn the country to the ground for personal gain.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:24:31pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:26:47pm

I hope it makes right-wing militias think twice that Proud Boys are going to prison.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:28:41pm

re: #97 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I hope it makes right-wing militias think twice that Proud Boys are going to prison.

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Plenty of those assholes should have been jailed after their stunt in Los Angeles!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:29:15pm

re: #96 gocart mozart

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It’s going to be very interesting to see how Romney, Collins, et al respond to this testimony. If any of them have a spine, they should demand Trump’s resignation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:30:49pm

re: #99 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s going to be very interesting to see how Romney, Collins, et al respond to this testimony. If any of them have a spine, they should demand Trump’s resignation.

Narrator: They don’t.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:31:12pm

re: #99 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s going to be very interesting to see how Romney, Collins, et al respond to this testimony. If any of them have a spine, they should demand Trump’s resignation.

Their spines will only materialize when its expedient for them to do so. Personal gain is the only thing driving the strength of their spines.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:31:54pm

re: #93 NO SMOCKING GUN!

All that doesn’t need to happen IMO. I would consider it a National Emergency, go in quick, shut down the airspace and main roads out to NYC, go in and move them out. Tell the public he will be speaking to them shortly. Get them out of town. And dump them on the fairway at Mara-Lago.

It will all suck but would save lives in the long run.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:36:24pm

washingtonpost.com

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:37:18pm

...

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:37:44pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:38:29pm

re: #102 Dave In Austin

A military putsch to depose the President. The aftermath would be ugly, to say the least. Probably several months, if not longer, of right-wing militia “lone-wolf” terrorism.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:38:37pm

Fox & Friends promoting terrorist propaganda.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:39:48pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:41:27pm

re: #107 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Fox & Friends promoting terrorist propaganda.

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Fun fact: The biggest name in the cast of The Reliant? Kevin Sorbo.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:42:06pm

re: #105 Scottish Dragon

Deirdre🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@Celticlassy10
Baghdad Bob on line 2, Mr Levin. He says you’ve lost the plot now and it’s time to dial it back.

2:37 PM - Oct 22, 2019

Baghdad Bob would actually say: I am so proud of you; this exceeds even my standards of promoting outright lies to a captive audience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:42:36pm

he’s retweeting days old nonsense

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BeachDem  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:43:10pm

re: #101 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Their spines will only materialize when its expedient for them to do so. Personal gain is the only thing driving the strength of their spines.

Welp, when Romney’s “alter ego” Pierre was brought to light, he responded, “C’est moi.”

I could almost hear him singing Lancelot’s song from “Camelot.”

C’est moi, c’est moi, The angels have chose to fight
Their battles below and here I stand, as pure as a pray’r
Incredibly clean, with virtue to spare, the Godliest man I know, c’est moi

Camelot 06: C’est Moi

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:45:34pm
Pass the popcorn
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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:46:07pm

re: #105 Scottish Dragon

“While [Trump’s] been president there hasn’t even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint.”

I suppose maybe, if you define “scandal” very narrowly as only applying to sexual behavior, and all the financial stuff and lying and betraying of allies and cozying up to enemies is “malfeasance” or “impropriety” or “misconduct” or “offense” or “transgression” or “violation” or “breach of law”….

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:46:34pm

Meanwhile in Israel, President Rivlin is scheduled to grant Blue & White leader Benny Gantz the task of assembling the next coalition government after Netanyahu failed to meet the deadline:

Ynet: Rivlin to pass government mandate to Gantz on Wednesday

President Reuven Rivlin will hand over the mandate for the establishment of the government to Blue and White leader MK Benny Gantz on Wednesday evening, read a statement published by the president’s office on Tuesday.

Director-General of the President’s Residence Harel Tubi held talks on Tuesday with all Knesset factions requesting their position regarding the identity of the candidate to whom the task of forming the government will be given. After receiving the responses of the factions, the president had decided to give the task to the former IDF chief and will officially appoint Gantz on Wednesday at 8PM.

After signing the letter of appointment, Rivlin and Gantz will give statements in the Hall of the President’s Residence in Jerusalem. Gantz, just like Netanyahu, will have a 28-day period to establish a viable government. If Gantz fails to do so, he will also have to relinquish the efforts to form a coalition and return the mandate to President Rivlin.

Regarding that last paragraph, even if Gantz fails and the mandate heads back AGAIN to President Rivlin, it doesn’t mean instant elections. In such a scenario, Rivlin can task ANY Knesset parliament member with assembling a new government - which would likely mean bypassing Netanyahu and granting someone else from his party the task, effectively cutting him out.

Gantz is pushing for a secular unity government, or possibly a short-lived secular minority government with the support of the Arab parties sitting in the opposition. The latter might not last long, but if Israel is going to head to yet another election early next year, a government that lasts even 24 hours would still mean that Netanyahu will NOT be PM heading into that election - and will have absolutely none of the protections that have shielded him from his corruption investigations so far.

Bibi is screwed in any scenario. We’re not at “happy happy joy joy” dancing time just yet, but we’re ever so close…

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:49:22pm

re: #115 Disloyal Archangel

My understanding is if Ganz fails, and it bounces back to Rivlin, Rivlin has to open it up to any member of Knesset who can then caucus and get to 61. So a back bencher could conceivably end up as Prime Minister if they play their cards right and Ganz fails with his attempt.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:51:13pm
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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:52:12pm

Impeach the mother fucker…

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Citizen K  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:55:45pm

re: #117 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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How convenient…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:56:46pm

re: #119 Citizen K

How convenient…

so now the ICE is also playing fetch for Putin

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:57:03pm

re: #115 Disloyal Archangel

It’s also worth noting that Netanyahu has worked all year long to have his friends across the Israeli Right (many of whom he has alienated considerably along the way) protect him by way of new legislation that would have kept him safe from prosecution for years.

These events has effectively scrapped ALL of Netanyahu’s efforts - and made this clip from an Israeli satire show from the freaking 90s as relevant as ever (Hebrew with subtitles)…

Netanyahu - Where I Am Today (Satire)

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 12:58:29pm

This is some pretty damning testimony:

Scribd Document

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:00:54pm

Ran across this old movie/play for various reasons today, and the actions of the horrible, abusive mother make a lot of sense - particularly in light of the actions and attitudes of Trump’s base:

The Effect of Gamma Rays 1972

It’s the oldie-but-goodie “The Effects of Gamma Rays on Man in the Moon Marigolds,” which is quite a mouthful. About a smalltown loser mother, who failed in life, and therefore hates anyone who looks happy or successful.

At the end of the movie, she kills her daughter’s beloved Peter Rabbit, the shy girl’s only friend, as a way to hurt her daughter for winning a science fair and trying to make something of her life.

This resonated with me. So many of the Trump supporters are the never-was’es - the mean kids from high school, all grown up now, living shitty lives and hating anyone who they perceive to not be as miserable as they are - and determined to MAKE them miserable.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:01:10pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:02:44pm

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so now the ICE is also playing fetch for Putin

Another deliverable with love from Donald to Vlad.

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lizardofid  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:04:05pm

re: #117 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Pity, he could have probably protected himself with a Doral membership.

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jaunte  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:04:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:04:28pm

I still have a bad feeling that it’s a mistake for Democrats to focus solely on the Ukraine scandal when there’s so much other impeachable stuff, but after this Taylor testimony I feel a little bit better about it, because it’s seriously damning.

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austin_blue  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:05:21pm

re: #124 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Choir boy and patriot.

Throw shit at that guy, Drumpf. Just try.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:06:12pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I still have a bad feeling that it’s a mistake for Democrats to focus solely on the Ukraine scandal when there’s so much other impeachable stuff, but after this Taylor testimony I feel a little bit better about it, because it’s seriously damning.

I am guessing Nancy was aware of what was coming down the pike and decided that it was the time and topic to act on.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:06:14pm

Schiff and Pelso broke Donny.

Like a couple of bosses.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:07:17pm
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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:08:42pm

re: #122 Dr. Matt

This is some pretty damning testimony:

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Giphy

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:08:42pm

re: #127 jaunte

It took decades for us to learn the identity of Deep Throat, but then he didn’t write an anonymous editorial in the NYTimes nor was he involved in writing a (possibly) tell all book. In any case, everything moves much faster today — let’s see what they have to say and if the identity leaks before the book hits the stands.

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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:08:58pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Yah, I’ve been thinking then need to go through everything thoroughly and have been impatient with Pelosi, but better late than never.

AM radio guys can’t get anymore overheated short of calling for armed insurrection.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:09:03pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I still think you do the narrative, and the charges/counts can be classified by type, but you can weave a coherent and brief summation of Trump’s impeachable offense that begin before the election to the present.

Common themes throughout - obstruction (reference Mueller’s findings).
The felony crimes of the quid pro quo.
The witness tampering and witness intimidation.
Cohen’s unindicted coconspirator on federal felonies to cover up hush money.

Everything Trump did was to get into office was to completely ignore the law, and then profit from it in every way imaginable, ignoring the Constitution, his oath, and the rule of law in the process.

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austin_blue  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:09:57pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I still have a bad feeling that it’s a mistake for Democrats to focus solely on the Ukraine scandal when there’s so much other impeachable stuff, but after this Taylor testimony I feel a little bit better about it, because it’s seriously damning.

Like Charles M. Blow has written, nothing says that multiple Articles of Impeachment can’t be written, and separately submitted. It is possible to impeach multiple times over time.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:10:11pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:11:12pm

They smeared Mueller — they smeared John Kerry — it will be child’s play to smear a hero that few have heard of.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:12:39pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Trump will be remembered as “The Education President”. Millions of Americans have learned more Latin than they’ve ever expected.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:13:18pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I still have a bad feeling that it’s a mistake for Democrats to focus solely on the Ukraine scandal when there’s so much other impeachable stuff, but after this Taylor testimony I feel a little bit better about it, because it’s seriously damning.

They still need to continue with the obstruction and emoluments violations as well. Lets have an entire set of wide ranging charges that show just how corrupt this man, his family and the GOP in general really are.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:13:57pm

West Point Grad, Harvard graduate, 101st Airborne, Vietnam Vet, devoted public servant for over forty years under administrations from both parties, and a family man with two children.

Tucker and Hannity are going to have their work cut out portraying this American Patriot man as another evil, lazy, biased, America-hating leftist.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:14:01pm

Oh, they’re definitely going to smear tf out of Bill Taylor now. Gateway Pundit is digging for dirt right now, guaranteed.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:15:00pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Oh, they’re definitely going to smear tf out of Bill Taylor now. Gateway Pundit is digging for dirt right now, guaranteed.

HE DRIVES A PRIUS WITH A HILLARY BUMPER STICKER!!!

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:16:15pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Trump will be remembered as “The Education President”. Millions of Americans have learned more Latin than they’ve ever expected.

We’ve seen Trump teach everyone what Emoluments mean, and lawyers for generations to come will have entire texts based on all the crimes Trump’s done in office, and the sordid ethics violations committed by everyone in Trumpworld, particularly his idiot lawyers and advisers.

Conlaw texts will never be the same again.

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lawhawk  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:16:30pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:17:05pm

re: #123 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Ran across this old movie/play for various reasons today, and the actions of the horrible, abusive mother make a lot of sense - particularly in light of the actions and attitudes of Trump’s base:

[Embedded content]

It’s the oldie-but-goodie “The Effects of Gamma Rays on Man in the Moon Marigolds,” which is quite a mouthful. About a smalltown loser mother, who failed in life, and therefore hates anyone who looks happy or successful.

At the end of the movie, she kills her daughter’s beloved Peter Rabbit, the shy girl’s only friend, as a way to hurt her daughter for winning a science fair and trying to make something of her life.

This resonated with me. So many of the Trump supporters are the never-was’es - the mean kids from high school, all grown up now, living shitty lives and hating anyone who they perceive to not be as miserable as they are - and determined to MAKE them miserable.

Just like the football jocks in high school whose life peaked at 18 and went spiraling down when they realized they’d never play for the pros…

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Mike Lamb  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:19:03pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Oh, they’re definitely going to smear tf out of Bill Taylor now. Gateway Pundit is digging for dirt right now, guaranteed.

Hoft: Taylor didn’t spit on the hippies when he got back from Vietnam! He’s a left winger!

Maybe, probably.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:19:04pm

re: #145 lawhawk

We’ve seen Trump teach everyone what Emoluments mean, and lawyers for generations to come will have entire texts based on all the crimes Trump’s done in office, and the sordid ethics violations committed by everyone in Trumpworld, particularly his idiot lawyers and advisers.

Conlaw texts will never be the same again.

Learnin’ a bunch of “sub poena”s and “quid”s and “quo”s. Soon have a pile of “nolo condere”s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:20:01pm

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just like the football jocks in high school whose life peaked at 18 and went spiraling down when they realized they’d never play for the pros…

I remember seeing the names on the reunion committee from our high school, and basically all the jocks had married the cheerleaders.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:20:13pm

Nancy waiting for self-impeachment may turn out to be one of her most brilliant moves yet. The Mueller obstruction, especially after Mueller’s less than stellar performance in testifying before Congress, would have been a hard sell, facing a unified Republican party and lack of enthusiasm from red-district Dems, but the Ukraine outrage certainly provided a narrative that everyone can understand.

Maybe Pelosi and McConnell are negotiating behind the scenes on how to remove Trump and replace him with someone acceptable to both parties — which is certainly not Pence.

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BeachDem  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:21:16pm

re: #146 lawhawk

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Jaime is on it:

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lizardofid  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:22:33pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember seeing the names on the reunion committee from our high school, and basically all the jocks had married the cheerleaders.

Some cliques stick.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:25:26pm

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Care to explain why a post advocating the Dems go after tRump for everything he has done up to this point deserved a down ding?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:26:55pm
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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:29:15pm

re: #155 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t know if he’s that smart. He’s instinctively cunning but can’t think beyond checkers. He has people around him that probably could, but won’t listen to them.

I’ll say it again: we’re lucky he’s such a ham fisted dimwit and picks loyalty over capabilities.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:31:11pm

re: #151 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Pelosi and McConnell are negotiating behind the scenes on how to remove Trump and replace him with someone acceptable to both parties — which is certainly not Pence.

President Pelosi.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:32:18pm

re: #157 Dr. Matt

President Pelosi.

Over McConnell’s dead body. Which I’m ok with.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:33:28pm

re: #157 Dr. Matt

President Pelosi.

Never going to happen. If McTurtle allows an impeachment vote, It will be Pence as a lame duck POTUS.

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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:35:04pm

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

It took decades for us to learn the identity of Deep Throat, but then he didn’t write an anonymous editorial in the NYTimes nor was he involved in writing a (possibly) tell all book. In any case, everything moves much faster today — let’s see what they have to say and if the identity leaks before the book hits the stands.

But it only took 3 or 4 years for the “anonymous” author of Primary Colors to be unmasked.

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:36:02pm

re: #159 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I agree. In order to make a deal, Trump’s replacement has to be a Republican, preferably someone with no further political ambitions. Too bad the Republicans went so Trump-crazy. They could have had a caretaker Weld for a few months while other Republicans ran for Trump’s spot. A caretaker President keeps the lights on while the party rebuilds and recruits.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:39:57pm

Trump impeachment - by Christmas
Trump conviction - by Valentine’s Day
Pence’s Handmaid’s Tale America - by Easter

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:40:07pm

re: #161 CarolJ

I agree. In order to make a deal, Trump’s replacement has to be a Republican, preferably someone with no further political ambitions. Too bad the Republicans went so Trump-crazy. They could have had a caretaker Weld for a few months while other Republicans ran for Trump’s spot. A caretaker President keeps the lights on while the party rebuilds and recruits.

Pence fits that role. He’s at both the apex and the end of his political career so he’d be a shoe-in to be a caretaker POTUS until November 2020.

And he can say, “I was President….well, for a few months at least”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:41:04pm

re: #154 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Hopefully it was just a case of fat fingers. Today, on my IPhone on Facebook, I inadvertently pressed the “ha ha” instead of the “love” button and it took me a couple minutes to repair the damage but such errors are not so obvious here.

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BeachDem  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:41:27pm

re: #161 CarolJ

I agree. In order to make a deal, Trump’s replacement has to be a Republican, preferably someone with no further political ambitions. Too bad the Republicans went so Trump-crazy. They could have had a caretaker Weld for a few months while other Republicans ran for Trump’s spot. A caretaker President keeps the lights on while the party rebuilds and recruits.

See my littlegreenfootballs.com re: Mittens

C’est moi, c’est moi, The angels have chose to fight
Their battles below and here I stand, as pure as a pray’r
Incredibly clean, with virtue to spare, the Godliest man I know, c’est moi

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:42:20pm

2 + 2 = 5

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:42:21pm

This reminds me of something my Dad once did, which I’ll make private so you can just scoll past if you don’t want to read a meandering story about somebody you never knew…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:44:11pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember seeing the names on the reunion committee from our high school, and basically all the jocks had married the cheerleaders.

From what I was told, most of them I graduated with flunked out of college and then drank, smoked or doped themselves to death.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:44:27pm

re: #161 CarolJ

I agree. In order to make a deal, Trump’s replacement has to be a Republican, preferably someone with no further political ambitions. Too bad the Republicans went so Trump-crazy. They could have had a caretaker Weld for a few months while other Republicans ran for Trump’s spot. A caretaker President keeps the lights on while the party rebuilds and recruits.

Pence would also carry on tRumps agenda of vetoing anything that managed to cross his desk that didn’t fit the Republican agenda. Not that anything of import would. McTurtle would see to that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:45:30pm

re: #166 DodgerFan1988

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2 + 2 = 5

Lmao.

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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:45:42pm

re: #162 Dr. Matt

Trump impeachment - by Christmas
Trump conviction - by Valentine’s Day
Pence’s Handmaid’s Tale America - by Easter

I’m hoping Pelosi can pull a double tap and roll up Lerch too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:45:44pm

re: #161 CarolJ

I agree. In order to make a deal, Trump’s replacement has to be a Republican, preferably someone with no further political ambitions. Too bad the Republicans went so Trump-crazy. They could have had a caretaker Weld for a few months while other Republicans ran for Trump’s spot. A caretaker President keeps the lights on while the party rebuilds and recruits.

Fuck republicans. I hope the party nukes itself into eternity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:46:24pm

re: #166 DodgerFan1988

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“THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!”

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:46:53pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I still have a bad feeling that it’s a mistake for Democrats to focus solely on the Ukraine scandal when there’s so much other impeachable stuff, but after this Taylor testimony I feel a little bit better about it, because it’s seriously damning.

There are other committees investigating other Trump related issues, but this one really is the easiest for most people to understand. It’s not only simple, but it clears a lot of the “But what about President X” hurdles.

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William Lewis  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:47:01pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:47:24pm

re: #169 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Pence would also carry on tRumps agenda of vetoing anything that managed to cross his desk that didn’t fit the Republican agenda. Not that anything of import would. McTurtle would see to that.

He would also continue nominating unqualified, unfit judicial appointments and administration appointments. He probably wouldn’t be so Putin friendly — but who knows? All we can assume is that he will have a more polite demeanor, but his domestic policies would be as bad as anything Trump would propose.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:47:33pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

“THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!”

It really amazes me how they live in this alternate reality where Trump is ethical. I mean yeah I get it’s cynical bs but damn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:48:17pm

re: #169 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Pence would also carry on tRumps agenda of vetoing anything that managed to cross his desk that didn’t fit the Republican agenda. Not that anything of import would. McTurtle would see to that.

Yeah but we also wouldn’t have to worry about him building Pence Towers or playing golf so damn much or overtly threatening other countries with a nuclear attack.

He also doesn’t have a conniving daughter and son-in-law, either.

I CAN’T stand Pence, but I have to think he’s the lesser of two evils here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:48:40pm

They can negotiate about whom to replace Trump with all they like, but they’ll still have to work within the confines of the law.

If Pence is out, it’s Pelosi, unless they elect somebody else Speaker*, or she refuses, in which case it’s the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, which right now is Chuck Grassley.

* They should elect Hillary Clinton Speaker, just because.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:48:59pm

An AI Ronny Raygun as potus? That might appease the GOP dolts.

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BigPapa  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:49:11pm

Winguts are in full 2+2=CLINTOBAMIDEN Mode. Just completely 180 degrees inverse to reality.

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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:49:17pm

I think they should leave Pence in office, and then they should spend the entire campaign pointing out that he and everyone else in the White House was complicit in Trump’s high crimes, along with McConnell, Graham, Gaetz, Jordan and everyone else who tried running this con.

Remind everyone, every day, that Pence and the rest of that lot was as deep in the shit as the guy who got impeached.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:51:22pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah but we also wouldn’t have to worry about him building Pence Towers or playing golf so damn much or overtly threatening other countries with a nuclear attack.

He also doesn’t have a conniving daughter and son-in-law, either.

I CAN’T stand Pence, but I have to think he’s the lesser of two evils here.

Don’t need a quieter, more effective Trump with better hair.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:51:25pm

re: #162 Dr. Matt

Trump impeachment - by Christmas
Trump conviction - by Valentine’s Day
Pence’s Handmaid’s Tale America - by Easterr

Will never happen. It’s an evangelical wet dream. Nothing more, nothing less. Two reasons why.

1. Unless he happens to run for POTUS and wins, he would still have to get said legislation passed. The Republicans would have to regain both Houses for that to even have a remote chance of happening.

2. Any E.O. he signed even smacking of such a thing would be immediately challenged in Court and (hopefully) thrown out.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:51:54pm

re: #175 William Lewis

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:53:38pm

BTW - this may have been posted here, but if not, the Punditocracy is starting to feel that the GOP’s hold on the Senate is getting increasingly tenuous:

Here’s the big picture: If Trump doesn’t win a second term, Democrats need to net only three seats to win back the majority. Assuming they can’t hang onto Sen. Doug Jones’ seat in ruby-red Alabama (but hold Sen. Gary Peters’ seat in traditionally blue Michigan), the magic number is four. And when you add Sen. Cory Gardner’s tough race in Colorado to the toss-up list, they’ve got five promising opportunities to defeat Republican senators.

In a normal political environment, Republicans would have good reason to be confident they could win some of these hotly contested races. But given the trajectory of Trump’s presidency and the trend lines in the battlegrounds, Republicans don’t have much room for error. Right now, control of the Senate past 2020 looks awfully close to a toss-up with over a year until the election.

I’m not sure that we can get back to the situation in early ‘09, when the Democrats had 60 Senators (after the idiotic ratfucking in Minnesota was over), and a filibuster-proof majority … until Ted Kennedy up & croaked and the Massachusetts Democratic party ran a bored, entitled shitshow to lose the seat to a pickup-truck driving yahoo…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:53:39pm

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

Hopefully it was just a case of fat fingers. Today, on my IPhone on Facebook, I inadvertently pressed the “ha ha” instead of the “love” button and it took me a couple minutes to repair the damage but such errors are not so obvious here.

Could be. That is why I have asked said Lizard to explain.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:53:48pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah but we also wouldn’t have to worry about him building Pence Towers or playing golf so damn much or overtly threatening other countries with a nuclear attack.

He also doesn’t have a conniving daughter and son-in-law, either.

I CAN’T stand Pence, but I have to think he’s the lesser of two evils here.

It’s important for both the rule of law and the security of the country to get that erratic criminal out of office asap, even if it means President Pence for a few months. Assuming 20 GOP Senators vote to convict, which is still a very long shot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:54:55pm

re: #188 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s important for both the rule of law and the security of the country to get that erratic criminal out of office asap, even if it means President Pence for a few months. Assuming 20 GOP Senators vote to convict, which is still a very long shot.

Agree 1000%

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:55:07pm

re: #185 Dave In Austin

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:55:48pm

re: #188 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s important for both the rule of law and the security of the country to get that erratic criminal out of office asap, even if it means President Pence for a few months. Assuming 20 GOP Senators vote to convict, which is still a very long shot.

I couldn’t agree more. Trump’s gotta go, pronto.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:56:33pm

Zombie Nixon is looking like a Saint compared to Donnie J.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:57:02pm

re: #188 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s important for both the rule of law and the security of the country to get that erratic criminal out of office asap, even if it means President Pence for a few months. Assuming 20 GOP Senators vote to convict, which is still a very long shot.

Concur. Trump is bad in ways that break the Republic, including the cultlike nature of his followers and the power they have over the GOP. Pence won’t have any of that.

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:57:08pm

re: #154 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

If I down dinged it wa a user error between fingers and phone. I didn’t intend to and apologize.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:57:31pm

re: #169 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Pence would also carry on tRumps agenda of vetoing anything that managed to cross his desk that didn’t fit the Republican agenda. Not that anything of import would. McTurtle would see to that.

We deal with the first problem we have. Then we deal with the second problem, having shown that we’re willing to deal with the first.

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:57:43pm

re: #184 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Will never happen. It’s an evangelical wet dream. Nothing more, nothing less. Two reasons why.

1. Unless he happens to run for POTUS and wins, he would still have to get said legislation passed. The Republicans would have to regain both Houses for that to even have a remote chance of happening.

2. Any E.O. he signed even smacking of such a thing would be immediately challenged in Court and (hopefully) thrown out.

I’d add:
3. If it were somehow attempted, some of those attempting would be taken out violently.
RWNJ’s aren’t the only ones capable of violence, and the belligerent on that side tends to be much more stupid by comparison.
IMO, it would happen, it would be messy and it would be brutal.
Not advocating; just assessing, and hoping it never comes to pass.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:57:50pm

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

I couldn’t agree more. Trump’s gotta go, pronto.

Trump is not the most damaging part of Trumpism. Whatever takes him out of office must cleanse the lot of them, and make sure the RW never tries that shit again.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:58:05pm

re: #176 Hecuba’s daughter

He would also continue nominating unqualified, unfit judicial appointments and administration appointments. He probably wouldn’t be so Putin friendly — but who knows? All we can assume is that he will have a more polite demeanor, but his domestic policies would be as bad as anything Trump would propose.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:58:30pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

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This reminds me of something my Dad once did, which I’ll make private so you can just scoll past if you don’t want to read a meandering story about somebody you never knew…

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meandering family stories are the BEST KIND!

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:59:24pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Trump is not the most damaging part of Trumpism. Whatever takes him out of office must cleanse the lot of them, and make sure the RW never tries that shit again.

Impeachment isn’t going to do that, otherwise they wouldn’t just regrouped after Nixon. That will only be taken care of by the voters.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 1:59:48pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah but we also wouldn’t have to worry about him building Pence Towers or playing golf so damn much or overtly threatening other countries with a nuclear attack.

He also doesn’t have a conniving daughter and son-in-law, either.

I CAN’T stand Pence, but I have to think he’s the lesser of two evils here.

Defiantly. And a short lived one at that.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:00:07pm

re: #200 Belafon

Impeachment isn’t going to do that, otherwise they wouldn’t just regrouped after Nixon. That will only be taken care of by the voters.

Yup.

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:01:18pm

re: #187 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Also, where is the down ding so I can fix it? I usually stay logged out to avoid such errors, since I mainly lurk anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:01:19pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Trump is not the most damaging part of Trumpism. Whatever takes him out of office must cleanse the lot of them, and make sure the RW never tries that shit again.

Not sure I agree, because I think this moment in the country and in the GOP is unique to him. Yes, the GOP has been pointing this way for decades, but Trump saddled and rode the GOP way farther into the weeds than I think ANYONE else could.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:01:26pm

re: #61 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Don’t discount the possibility of Trump calling on his Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, Bikers 4 Trump and assorted motley militias to come to DC and defend the WH by force.

I am going to amuse myself by picturing those dumbass goons getting trampled by a million women in pink hats.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:02:58pm

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure I agree, because I think this moment in the country and in the GOP is unique to him. Yes, the GOP has been pointing this way for decades, but Trump saddled and rode the GOP way farther into the weeds than I think ANYONE else could.

They were hungry for the whip. That includes the seriously pathological “base”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:03:40pm

Pence would be ineffective at best. I’d obviously rather have Pelosi but one step at a time.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:07:45pm

re: #194 DesertDenizen

If I down dinged it wa a user error between fingers and phone. I didn’t intend to and apologize.

Understood. It happens. Thanks for responding.

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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:07:50pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Trump is not the most damaging part of Trumpism. Whatever takes him out of office must cleanse the lot of them, and make sure the RW never tries that shit again.

All this is necessary, but it would require a 180 degree about face by the GOP as it reforms to undo the last 50 years of its history.

I honestly don’t see how that can happen. The GOP losing House, Senate and the presidency in 400+ electoral vote blowouts for 2-3 cycles in a row would be a sufficient kick in the ass to get the GOP to take reforming itself seriously, but that kind of loss can’t happen these days.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:07:51pm

re: #166 DodgerFan1988

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More like 2 + 2 = Purple

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:08:42pm

re: #195 Belafon

We deal with the first problem we have. Then we deal with the second problem, having shown that we’re willing to deal with the first.

Yep. Get tRump out of there, ASAP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:09:24pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

They were hungry for the whip. That includes the seriously pathological “base”.

Oh, absolutely. I just think they’ll be lost without him. He’s a nexus for all the hate and stupidity and craziness. He focuses it. But to work its sick magic, he has to be there appointing Cuccinellis and Kobachs to important posts, and Pence won’t be able to scare the Senate GOP caucus into confirming that sort of nominee, and he won’t scare them into ignoring how many unconfirmed people are running the place.

I mean, if he’s not in jail he might still do rallies and appearances on Fox News, but the whole “I’m in charge, fuck your feelings, fuck the law, fuck everybody” thing doesn’t work if he’s not actually in charge.

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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:09:27pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

They were hungry for the whip. That includes the seriously pathological “base”.

The GOP base is waiting for their Hitler. Trump is beloved by the GOP base for being a large step in that direction.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:09:49pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Pence would be ineffective at best. I’d obviously rather have Pelosi but one step at a time.

Pence would probably bring back a bit of status quo ante to foreign policy, and he and McConnell would probably keep going with ultra-conservative judges. We’d also have fewer policy pronouncements by tweet, but otherwise, everything would probably be about the same from a political standpoint.

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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:11:44pm

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, absolutely. I just think they’ll be lost without him. He’s a nexus for all the hate and stupidity and craziness. He focuses it. But to work its sick magic, he has to be there appointing Cuccinellis and Kobachs to important posts, and Pence won’t be able to scare the Senate GOP caucus into confirming that sort of nominee, and he won’t scare them into ignoring how many unconfirmed people are running the place.

I mean, if he’s not in jail he might still do rallies and appearances on Fox News, but the whole “I’m in charge, fuck your feelings, fuck the law, fuck everybody” thing doesn’t work if he’s not actually in charge.

The problem here is that Trump can’t be unique in his ability to focus the GOP’s fascist urges into a corrupternment — every GOP politician out there thinking of the presidency is studying Trump’s filthy winning formula very carefully.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:13:34pm

re: #214 KGxvi

Pence would probably bring back a bit of status quo ante to foreign policy, and he and McConnell would probably keep going with ultra-conservative judges. We’d also have fewer policy pronouncements by tweet, but otherwise, everything would probably be about the same from a political standpoint.

Pence would be what Cruz or Rubio or Romney would have have been like, except with more Mother.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:15:26pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

The problem here is that Trump can’t be unique in his ability to focus the GOP’s fascist urges into a corrupternment — every GOP politician out there thinking of the presidency is studying Trump’s filthy winning formula very carefully.

That’s why the final chapter of the Trumpists’ story needs to be out of Lovecraft.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:16:36pm

re: #196 Disloyal Archangel

I’d add:
3. If it were somehow attempted, some of those attempting would be taken out violently.
RWNJ’s aren’t the only ones capable of violence, and the belligerent on that side tends to be much more stupid by comparison.
IMO, it would happen, it would be messy and it would be brutal.
Not advocating; just assessing.

Well, I didn’t want to go there. My previous incarnation on this board probably would have. Then again, he was also known for making outrageous and down right idiotic posts. He was also a bit of an asshole. I think I am better than that, now.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:18:02pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

The problem here is that Trump can’t be unique in his ability to focus the GOP’s fascist urges into a corrupternment — every GOP politician out there thinking of the presidency is studying Trump’s filthy winning formula very carefully.

Trump is unique in that the corruption and grift is the actual personal goal. The rest of them have actual policy goals that, whether you agree with them or not, are at least honest. For Trump, policy is just a means to the grift.

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:18:25pm

re: #203 DesertDenizen

I think you go back to the comment and click the “Plus” button.

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austin_blue  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:19:15pm

re: #220 SerialUpDinger

I think you go back to the comment and click the “Plus” button.

Yes.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:19:50pm

re: #216 Belafon

Pence would be what Cruz or Rubio or Romney would have have been like, except with more Mother.

Yeah, he’d probably be a bit worse than any of the others on LGBTQ issues, but yeah, otherwise, he’s be a standard issue Republican president, I think.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:20:34pm

re: #203 DesertDenizen

Also, where is the down ding so I can fix it? I usually stay logged out to avoid such errors, since I mainly lurk anyway.

Comment 141.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:20:43pm

re: #221 austin_blue

I know that, but am unaware of where my offending post is.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:21:27pm
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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:21:41pm

Heh. Ain’t it the truth…

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Dread Pirate  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:22:56pm
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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:24:00pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

But they don’t have his sick “charisma” or the enforced intimacy that tv brings. Nor his businessman patina. They’re “who is this guy”, and need to find a way to get it. Not to say they won’t invoke his name, or try something on a smaller scale, but replacing someone who the pulpit pimps call their “King Cyrus” is not easily done.

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:24:06pm

re: #223 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Got it. Corrected. Gracias.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:24:46pm

re: #158 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Over McConnell’s dead body. Which I’m ok with.

Ok with. It’s extra frosting on the cake.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:27:23pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:29:13pm

re: #131 Dr. Matt

Schiff and Pelso broke Donny.

Like a couple of bosses.

“Pelso” sounds like a mob boss name… guessing the Speaker’s mob-style nickname would be along the lines of “Nancy Two Balls” and Schiff maybe “Schiv.”

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:30:38pm

New Bob Cesca Podcast is now up.

bobcesca.com

Guess you know what I’ll be listening to.

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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:31:49pm

First McConnell, now this. I’ve never seen so many people try to back away from each other as I’m seeing now.

I’m telling you, within two weeks Trump’s support is going to be a not-so-fond memory.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:34:31pm

re: #231 gocart mozart

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:35:12pm
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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:35:21pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

The problem here is that Trump can’t be unique in his ability to focus the GOP’s fascist urges into a corrupternment — every GOP politician out there thinking of the presidency is studying Trump’s filthy winning formula very carefully.

The bigger problem for the GOP, though, is that an impeached-and-removed-in-disgrace Trump Is going to cast a long and withering shadow over the Party for quite a while. Donald Trump as a candidate was pretty sui generis, , and it’s probably unlikely that the next wannabe-Fuhrer is going to be able to work the same shtick as Trump (If nothing else than the “I’m a businessman, not a politician wheeze). Not to mention that the hardcore Deplorables are going to be pining for their Great Orange King till they croak from old age, and no one else is ever going to measure up….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:36:51pm

re: #234 makeitstop

First McConnell, now this. I’ve never seen so many people try to back away from each other as I’m seeing now.

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I’m telling you, within two weeks Trump’s support is going to be a not-so-fond memory.

It’s a Mexican Standoff except fingers are pointing instead of guns.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:38:59pm

re: #237 Jay C

The bigger problem for the GOP, though, is that an impeached-and-removed-in-disgrace Trump Is going to cast a long and withering shadow over the Party for quite a while.

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:42:24pm

re: #239 KGxvi

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

A more recent example is that the W Bush clusterfucks should have kept the GOP out of power for decades, yet just 8 years later we got the Trump turd.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:43:53pm

Looks like the wingularity is after Katie Hill. Roll Call

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:43:55pm

re: #239 KGxvi

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

Yeah, but those 6 years included rampant inflation, oil embargoes, and the Iranian Revolution and subsequent hostage crisis.

And Jimmy Carter, exemplary human that he is, was not a good President.

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:44:07pm

re: #218 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Well, I didn’t want to go there.

Me neither, but it’s not like there’s not a precedent; I doubt the psychotic Trump hater who shot Scalise in 2017 actually felt as personally endangered as some of the potential victims in the scenario we’re considering would be.
There’s an expression I remember being told back when I was in uniform - loosely translated, “Anger can push some to a distance. Desperation can push more further. The purest forms of both can push too many too far.”
Here’s hoping none of it ever comes to pass.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:44:30pm

re: #239 KGxvi

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

The centres of power in America have always worked overtime to normalise and excuse white men who abuse power, especially in the pursuit of enriching the rich and keeping other races down. They washed away the sins of the Confederacy, of the robber barons, of Nixon. They absolve everyone around anytime a white man conducts a massacre. They will do the same post Trump too.

Without true, deep, lasting pain, like that experienced by postwar Germany, America will bring forth a worse dictator than this orange buffoon within a decade.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:45:36pm

Commander Pence’s first executive order will be a mass baptist of the American populace.

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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:46:07pm

re: #244 Renaissance_Man

The centres of power in America have always worked overtime to normalise and excuse white men who abuse power, especially in the pursuit of enriching the rich and keeping other races down. They washed away the sins of the Confederacy, of the robber barons, of Nixon. They absolve everyone around anytime a white man conducts a massacre. They will do the same post Trump too.

Without true, deep, lasting pain, like that experienced by postwar Germany, America will bring forth a worse dictator than this orange buffoon within a decade.

God, I wish you were wrong about this.

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sagehen  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:47:00pm

re: #184 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Will never happen. It’s an evangelical wet dream. Nothing more, nothing less. Two reasons why.

1. Unless he happens to run for POTUS and wins, he would still have to get said legislation passed. The Republicans would have to regain both Houses for that to even have a remote chance of happening.

2. Any E.O. he signed even smacking of such a thing would be immediately challenged in Court and (hopefully) thrown out.

I take it you haven’t watched Handmaid’s Tale.

None of it happened through existing Congress or the Courts. It was an armed revolution that killed the existing Congress and Judges (with enough of the conspirators being in the military to prevent sufficient defense), local church-based militias taking over particular cities, etc.

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TedStriker  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:51:46pm

re: #20 Scottish Dragon

Joe Walsh is still a jerk, but by God he is actually interesting.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:52:01pm

Where’s Rudy?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:54:43pm

re: #249 Dr. Matt

Where’s Rudy?

Did Putin do the Polonium Polka with Screwdy yet?

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Jay C  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:55:26pm

re: #239 KGxvi

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

Quite true (especially about the short-memories thing) but Nixon didn’t have a sick personality cult in the GOP focused on him as some sort of bizarro Messiah….

Six years can be a VERY long time in politics -

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:56:38pm

re: #247 sagehen

I take it you haven’t watched Handmaid’s Tale.

None of it happened through existing Congress or the Courts. It was an armed revolution that killed the existing Congress and Judges (with enough of the conspirators being in the military to prevent sufficient defense), local church-based militias taking over particular cities, etc.

And I don’t see Pence becoming any kind of charismatic leader, given the VP gig may have saved him losing reelection in INDIANA.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:57:38pm

re: #239 KGxvi

You could have said that about Nixon in 1974 and six years later, Reagan won 44 states, Republicans picked up 12 seats in the Senate (giving them a majority) and 34 in the House. Americans, for whatever reason, have short memories.

I remember the absolute hatchet job Republicans did on Carter abetted by the media and especially the churches that became ruthless as Election Day 1980 approached.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:57:56pm

re: #250 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did Putin do the Polonium Polka with Screwdy yet?

The upside is that Po makes for a fine teeth whitening….

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garzooma  Oct 22, 2019 • 2:59:23pm

re: #234 makeitstop

First McConnell, now this. I’ve never seen so many people try to back away from each other as I’m seeing now.

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I’m telling you, within two weeks Trump’s support is going to be a not-so-fond memory.

Don’t get your hopes up. Saw this on The Atlantic:

On October 13, President Donald Trump’s average approval sat at 42.2 percent, according to FiveThirtyEight’s average.

Then came an astonishing week, even by the standards of the Trump administration. A procession of diplomats trekked to Capitol Hill, where they outlined a consistent tale of an administration hell-bent on conspiracy theories, extracting quid pro quos from the Ukrainian government, all headed by a president insistent on placing his personal lawyer at the heart of foreign policy. Turkey’s government rampaged through Syria, attacking American allies, while U.S. forces frantically retreated and Iran and Russia celebrated. Meanwhile, Turkey’s president laughed at Trump’s threats.

The acting White House chief of staff acknowledged a quid pro quo with Ukraine and instructed the nation to “get over it.” In its most brazen profiteering so far, the administration announced that the Group of Seven summit would take place at Trump’s own resort. (Both positions were reversed in short order.) ProPublica turned up new evidence of Trump’s financial chicanery.

Many Republicans reacted angrily to Trump’s choices regarding Syria and the G7. Some even began speaking the I-word. Retired Admiral William McRaven, one of the greatest heroes to emerge from America’s 18-year War on Terror, called the president a threat to the republic.

By October 20, Trump’s approval rating had tumbled all the way to … 41.5 percent.

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CarolJ  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:00:43pm

re: #251 Jay C

And Nixon never tried to create one either. He knew he never had a chance to get another term, was personally shy, and wanted to just go home. He just wanted to rehabilitate his reputation and wrote a lot of books on foreign policy.

Plus the Republican Party still had a fair amount of chamber of commerce moderates who would not have supported such a thing.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:01:29pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

meandering family stories are the BEST KIND!

Agreed 100%, but… meandering? That story didn’t even change topic once! Practically a Hemingway haiku!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:04:01pm

re: #255 garzooma

Bouncing off his floor.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:05:28pm

re: #257 Jebediah, RBG

Agreed 100%, but… meandering? That story didn’t even change topic once! Practically a Hemingway haiku!

Haikus are easy,
But sometimes they don’t make sense.
Refrigerator.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:06:13pm

re: #254 Dr. Matt

The upside is that Po makes for a fine teeth whitening….

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Dr. Matt  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:07:18pm

re: #260 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Rudes can drop his teeth in a glass full of the stuff every night.

Po gargle, undiluted strength.

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:08:47pm

Words to Live By

True then and True now.
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:08:49pm

re: #162 Dr. Matt

Trump impeachment - by Christmas
Trump conviction - by Valentine’s Day
Pence’s Handmaid’s Tale America - by Easter

Pence can be impeached as well. He’s not innocent.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:10:52pm

re: #263 Patricia Kayden

America’s 1st Female CIC……

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BeachDem  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:13:46pm

re: #247 sagehen

I take it you haven’t watched Handmaid’s Tale.

None of it happened through existing Congress or the Courts. It was an armed revolution that killed the existing Congress and Judges (with enough of the conspirators being in the military to prevent sufficient defense), local church-based militias taking over particular cities, etc.

And in Atwood’s words, about the book:

Nations never build apparently radical forms of government on foundations that aren’t there already; thus China replaced a state bureaucracy with a similar state bureaucracy under a different name, the USSR replaced the dreaded imperial secret police with an even more dreaded secret police, and so forth. The deep foundation of the United States—so went my thinking—was not the comparatively recent 18th-century Enlightenment structures of the Republic, with their talk of equality and their separation of Church and State, but the heavy-handed theocracy of 17th-century Puritan New England—with its marked bias against women—which would need only the opportunity of a period of social chaos to reassert itself.

Like the original theocracy, this one would select a few passages from the Bible to justify its actions, and it would lean heavily towards the Old Testament, not towards the New…

I made a rule for myself: I would not include anything that human beings had not already done in some other place or time, or for which the technology did not already exist…all had precedents, and many of these were to be found, not in other cultures and religions, but within Western society, and within the “Christian” tradition itself…

lithub.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:13:52pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Haikus are easy,
But sometimes they don’t make sense.
Refrigerator.

Perfect

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:14:16pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

Bouncing off his floor.

Which is really where he’s been his entire presidency. He may well be the first president in modern times to never break 50% approval. Hell, his high is 46% per Gallup.

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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:20:13pm

re: #255 garzooma

Don’t get your hopes up. Saw this on The Atlantic:

Trump’s idiot base will not be moved. That’s a given.

I’m talking about the people in the administration and Congress who are fast approaching their ‘Oh, fuck’ moment, when they realize that despite all the shit they put in place to get away with the con, they’re not going to get away with it.

Fuck, McConnell pretty much called Trump a liar this afternoon, in a move to distance himself from the shit shower. Trump ain’t stopping shit from rolling downhill.

Fuck the rubes. They’re too stupid to see what’s in front of their stupid faces. Fuck ‘em.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:21:23pm

Quid pro quo.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:25:09pm

re: #266 Jebediah, RBG

Perfect

And, sadly, not my own.

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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:25:55pm

re: #268 makeitstop

Trump’s idiot base will not be moved. That’s a given.

I’m talking about the people in the administration and Congress who are fast approaching their ‘Oh, fuck’ moment, when they realize that despite all the shit they put in place to get away with the con, they’re not going to get away with it.

Fuck, McConnell pretty much called Trump a liar this afternoon, in a move to distance himself from the shit shower. Trump ain’t stopping shit from rolling downhill.

Fuck the rubes. They’re too stupid to see what’s in front of their stupid faces. Fuck ‘em.

Addendum: Don’t watch Trump’s approval rating, that’s not going to mean much at the end of the day.

Watch the number of those who support impeachment and removal. Notice it’s gone up around 12 points since the spring?

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Disloyal Archangel  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:26:56pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Haikus are easy,
But sometimes they don’t make sense.
Refrigerator.

“Haikus are lovely,
But so few are magical.
Abracadabra.”

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:27:02pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:28:51pm

re: #267 KGxvi

Which is really where he’s been his entire presidency. He may well be the first president in modern times to never break 50% approval. Hell, his high is 46% per Gallup.

I used to worry that he’d do something - I don’t know what - but it would be dramatic, and popular, and would make him popular, too. Every time I heard, “He became President last night”, I worried.

I needn’t have worried. He doesn’t have it in him. Every single time, within no more than 2 days, he’d do something stupid and all the talk of a pivot would go away.

So, overall, I think we just have to accept that 41% of America are shitty people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:30:16pm

re: #271 makeitstop

Addendum: Don’t watch Trump’s approval rating, that’s not going to mean much at the end of the day.

Watch the number of those who support impeachment and removal. Notice it’s gone up around 12 points since the spring?

A majority in at least 3 national polls in the last week.

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makeitstop  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:32:27pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:36:56pm

re: #247 sagehen

I take it you haven’t watched Handmaid’s Tale.

None of it happened through existing Congress or the Courts. It was an armed revolution that killed the existing Congress and Judges (with enough of the conspirators being in the military to prevent sufficient defense), local church-based militias taking over particular cities, etc.

What about a Supreme Court that not only overturns Roe v Wade but one that outlaws abortion nationwide? One that takes the 14th Amendment and declares that a fetus is a person from inception? I am not sure there are 5 votes for that on the current court but who knows what Federalist Society judges may support. Certainly the states that have passed draconian anti-abortion laws favor that policy. And a Mike Pence would eagerly nominate judges who endorse these rules.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:40:26pm

Where’s EvangiMike?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:42:27pm

re: #276 makeitstop

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:43:54pm

re: #271 makeitstop

Addendum: Don’t watch Trump’s approval rating, that’s not going to mean much at the end of the day.

Watch the number of those who support impeachment and removal. Notice it’s gone up around 12 points since the spring?

Chris Hayes pointed out recently that the impeachment polling and approval polling have almost locked up. Like there doesn’t seem to be any split between impeachment/disapproval at this point.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:44:02pm

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:47:45pm

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

What about a Supreme Court that not only overturns Roe v Wade but one that outlaws abortion nationwide? One that takes the 14th Amendment and declares that a fetus is a person from inception? I am not sure there are 5 votes for that on the current court but who knows what Federalist Society judges may support. Certainly the states that have passed draconian anti-abortion laws favor that policy. And a Mike Pence would eagerly nominate judges who endorse these rules.

Maybe I’m naive on this point, but even going back to my FedSoc days, I’ve never thought that they’d pull the trigger on that interpretation. I think, at the end of the day, if they were to get their way, it’ll end up being a “constitutional right in name only” - they’ll simply refuse to call anything an undue burden and continue to curtail access without ever actually saying it’s not a constitutional right (in part because I’m not sure they want to create a legal precedent establishing an argument to undo constitutional rights).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:49:58pm

moron is fucking delusional

are the Kurds back home and not dead?

gfy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:52:55pm

Kai is running against Tulsi

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 3:55:39pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:00:13pm

re: #282 KGxvi

Maybe I’m naive on this point, but even going back to my FedSoc days, I’ve never thought that they’d pull the trigger on that interpretation. I think, at the end of the day, if they were to get their way, it’ll end up being a “constitutional right in name only” - they’ll simply refuse to call anything an undue burden and continue to curtail access without ever actually saying it’s not a constitutional right (in part because I’m not sure they want to create a legal precedent establishing an argument to undo constitutional rights).

IMO that all depends on how far the know-nothing rot of the US right extends into the Heritage Foundation judge list. My assumption is that every year’s crop of hard-right judges is substantially worse than last year, because what’s going to stop them?

The clever thing to do on abortion rights from a hard-right perspective is to continue the death of a thousand cuts Justice Kennedy was subjecting it to.

But the GOP base will not be satisfied with that, and Republicans all over the country are sending up test cases to SCOTUS seeking a repeal of Roe. Who wants to be the right wing justice that will be branded a ‘traitor’ by millions for letting Roe stand when the right had the votes to overturn it?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:00:13pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:02:10pm

re: #281 Jebediah, RBG

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:04:52pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chris Hayes was on Pod Save America this week and he called Gabbard the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Which feels about right.

Although Paul, at least, had a recognizable ideology, I’m not sure Gabbard does.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:07:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:07:30pm

I wish Gabbard would just shut the fuck up and go away.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:07:30pm

McLawSchool. 😂😂😂

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:07:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:07:57pm

re: #289 KGxvi

Chris Hayes was on Pod Save America this week and he called Gabbard the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Which feels about right.

Although Paul, at least, had a recognizable ideology, I’m not sure Gabbard does.

I compare Bernie to Ron Paul more but I can see what Chris meant. I just wish people stopped calling Tulsi a dove.

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KGxvi  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:09:44pm

re: #286 EPR-radar

IMO that all depends on how far the know-nothing rot of the US right extends into the Heritage Foundation judge list. My assumption is that every year’s crop of hard-right judges is substantially worse than last year, because what’s going to stop them?

The clever thing to do on abortion rights from a hard-right perspective is to continue the death of a thousand cuts Justice Kennedy was subjecting it to.

But the GOP base will not be satisfied with that, and Republicans all over the country are sending up test cases to SCOTUS seeking a repeal of Roe. Who wants to be the right wing justice that will be branded a ‘traitor’ by millions for letting Roe stand when the right had the votes to overturn it?

There’s still enough insulation with respect to the judiciary that most probably really won’t care that they’ve been branded a traitor. That’s the power of a life time appointment and a very nice salary. They might eventually write a memoir or book on the law and it’ll be a bestseller.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:10:58pm

Ironically, that is not how Trump the businessman operated; he invoked lawyers to chisel down the dollar owed to pennies:

Wow. From Bill Taylor’s statement: “Ambassador Sondland tried to explain to me that President Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:15:37pm
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Mescalero09  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:16:21pm

re: #290 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:19:10pm
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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:22:16pm

Republicans Are the Party of the Wealthy Elite
by Nancy LeTourneau October 22, 2019

Frankly, I’m not interested in hearing from people who suggest that the Democratic Party doesn’t pay enough attention to the pocketbook issues faced by most Americans. Regardless of the fact that they have adopted different strategies, you would be hard-pressed to find a Democrat who wasn’t in favor of:

Providing more affordable access to health care,
Raising the minimum wage,
Expanding living wage jobs via investments in infrastructure and sustainable energy,
Making college more affordable,
Expanding access to child care and pre-K, and
Protecting and strengthening Social Security.
The other thing Democrats agree about is that, in order to address those issues, we need a progressive tax system in which the wealthy pay their fair share

By way of contrast, Republicans—including Donald Trump—are opposed to all of the above. For decades now, the GOP has been lying to middle class American by pretending to be their champion, while attempting to paint Democrats as the party of the elite. That is a lie and anyone on the left who promotes it should be called out.

Good essay.

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:22:38pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why do all these amateur idiots like Sondland think they can lie to Congress and not get caught? I understand assuming they won’t get in trouble, but are they really so sure of their own intelligence that they think no one will notice?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:24:09pm
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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:24:36pm

The Overwhelming Evidence in Support of Clinton’s Claims About Gabbard
by Nancy LeTourneau October 22, 2019

Two back to back. Another good one.

Two links from the article:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:25:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:26:48pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s literally what the Founders called for but I can understand why Waters is confused given he’s never read the Constitution.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:27:34pm

Mob justice doesn’t involve a drawn out process with witnesses testifying freely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:28:32pm

this is pathetic:

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:28:53pm

re: #301 DesertDenizen

Why do all these amateur idiots like Sondland think they can lie to Congress and not get caught? I understand assuming they won’t get in trouble, but are they really so sure of their own intelligence that they think no one will notice?

The reason is these people are so used to operating private fiefdoms where they surrounded themselves with yes men and co-conspirators. They have no practical experience working with career subject matter experts and professional bureaucrats in government, so it doesn’t occur to them how much of a paper trail they’ve helped create and how much actual evidence can be weaponized against them.

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:29:54pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Mob justice doesn’t involve a drawn out process with witnesses testifying freely.

What they are calling mob justice looks a great deal like The Mob being brought to justice. And the sooner the better.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:31:14pm

re: #309 DesertDenizen

What they are calling mob justice looks a great deal like The Mob being brought to justice. And the sooner the better.

Yep.

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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:32:20pm

Can We Make a 3-D Map of the Whole World?
A lidar project wants to document the entire planet, before everything changes.

BY ISAAC SCHULTZ, ATLAS OBSCURA

Lidar (light detection and ranging) “is a way to generate images of the ground using laser pulses from a plane, which measure the ground elevation below by tracking the time it takes the pulses to return. Where lidar really shines — especially in the world of archaeology — is its ability to see through tree cover…”

Exciting! This is a piece of forest in Connecticut, showing old stone walls. European settlers? Pre-settlers?

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DesertDenizen  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:32:21pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

I figured that because of the yes men they all believe they are self made geniuses/smartest guy in the room as opposed to the coddled, mediocre sons of priviledge they actually are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:32:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:33:40pm

If you’re not watching CSpan you need to be

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:34:47pm
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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:35:20pm

re: #314 Dave In Austin

If you’re not watching CSpan you need to be

Which one???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:37:06pm
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retired cynic  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:37:14pm

re: #316 retired cynic

Which one???

Never mind. I don’t have a tv or a tv subscription, so am not allowed to watch. grrr

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:38:40pm

re: #314 Dave In Austin

If you’re not watching CSpan you need to be

What’s going on? I don’t have CSPAN.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:42:05pm

re: #316 retired cynic

One

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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:43:24pm

Republicans are doing the censure Shifty Schiff roll call and spew.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:43:57pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s a straight shooter, tells it like it is. I thought the Repugs liked that?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:44:33pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:46:32pm

re: #321 Dave In Austin

Republicans are doing the censure Shifty Schiff roll call and spew.

Tell us what the vote result is, please.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:48:36pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From the people who put Rudy Giuliani in charge of the Ukraine policy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:49:56pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:50:19pm

re: #324 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not even sure they are going to vote. Each one is pledging fealty to Orange DryFart and High tailing is out of chambers

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:51:25pm

Night Lizards.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:52:03pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He answered enough questions today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:53:32pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:54:44pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

How’d that happen?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:55:48pm

re: #331 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

How’d that happen?

no idea.

weird, eh?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:55:54pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 22, 2019 • 4:57:23pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember seeing the names on the reunion committee from our high school, and basically all the jocks had married the cheerleaders.

… and then a few years later, they tended to get divorced.

Ran into a bunch of them back at my 20th reunion. Faces were kinda slack & bloated and they had this uncomprehending look in their eyes, as they realized that the kids who actually paid attention in class were driving *much* nicer cars and wearing decent suits.

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William Lewis  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:01:30pm

re: #334 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

… and then a few years later, they tended to get divorced.

Ran into a bunch of them back at my 20th reunion. Faces were kinda slack & bloated and they had this uncomprehending look in their eyes, as they realized that the kids who actually paid attention in class were driving *much* nicer cars and wearing decent suits.

I have never attended a reunion. I have little interest in what happened to 99%of them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:03:08pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

no idea.

weird, eh?

Very. But I’m not wasting a free article on it. I refuse to subscribe.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:04:15pm

re: #335 William Lewis

I have never attended a reunion. I have little interest in what happened to 99%of them.

99.9% but who’s counting? 😁

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:05:44pm

Nothing like a big bowl of homemade chicken soup on a cool evening.

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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:07:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:09:24pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:17:15pm

re: #335 William Lewis

I have never attended a reunion. I have little interest in what happened to 99%of them.

I guess I had morbid curiosity. Haven’t gone to the ones since; I hear that the “townies” who stuck around are still a bunch of “BLAR-HAR-HAR” knuckledragging dimwits talking shit about the physical attributes of female classmates (and now, increasingly, their children).

I see them on Facebook every once in a while, screeching some Alex Jones-type shit, yowling at their friends & relatives.

Makes them feel part of something important, I guess.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:18:48pm

re: #341 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I guess I had morbid curiosity. Haven’t gone to the ones since; I hear that the “townies” who stuck around are still a bunch of “BLAR-HAR-HAR” knuckledragging dimwits talking shit about the physical attributes of female classmates (and now, increasingly, their children).

I see them on Facebook every once in a while, screeching some Alex Jones-type shit, yowling at their friends & relatives.

Makes them feel part of something important, I guess.

Our 10-year got canceled because everybody argued over where to hold it, because 75% of them couldn’t afford to pay for the nice venue but nobody wanted to go to the other one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:19:16pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:20:32pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dread Pirate  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:25:34pm

re: #318 retired cynic

Never mind. I don’t have a tv or a tv subscription, so am not allowed to watch. grrr

I use this link, CSPAN. it seems to work.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:25:55pm

Maybe George Conway really wants a divorce but is too cheap, so Kellyanne going to prison has an appeal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:27:31pm

meanwhile in Hawaii

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:27:49pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Frontline is going to have an episode on that this evening. At least my local PBS station is going to have Frontline Zero Tolerance on this evening.
whyy.org

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:28:06pm

re: #346 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

There’s some serious angry sex in that marriage.

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Belafon  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:29:02pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Make sure to remind people that she’s a veteran and therefore no one can criticize her.

//

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:29:41pm

re: #349 Ace Rothstein

There’s some serious angry sex in that marriage.

Or not. 🤢🤮

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Charles Johnson  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:30:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:32:10pm

Good evening, this Fooler thread is just 👨‍🍳💋👌

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:34:25pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:35:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 22, 2019 • 5:38:24pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:12:14pm

re: #353 goddamnedfrank

Good evening, this Fooler thread is just 👨‍🍳💋👌

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Holy. Shit.

That is some thread. 👍🏼

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Scout  Oct 22, 2019 • 6:38:09pm

re: #344 Joe Bacon 🌹

Unless that woman is freakishly short, the proportions are all out of whack.


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