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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:42:45am

I still recall the head of Diebold systems promising to “deliver the state of Ohio” to the GOP in 2004 and nobody batting an eyelash over the blatant conflict of interest there…

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:49:06am

Just remembering that Twitter wouldn’t ban neo-Nazis because the filters would end up catching lots of Republicans, too.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:49:39am

Fuck EVERY Duck!

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:49:48am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:50:58am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:56:16am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:03:00am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:07:53am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:08:08am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:09:10am

re: #6 jaunte

.@RepAdamSchiff: Transcripts show State Department “made the claim to their employees that they were being bullied by the Congress, and in fact State Dept employees were concerned about being bullied by their own State Dept.”

while this is very very good, i’d have preferred “by their own bosses”

in fact lets not lose sight of the trump threats and derangement vis a vis Vindman, that this is not some light intimidation:
- trump is his boss
- as both president and cinc

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:10:14am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:13:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:14:03am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

If Vindmann stayed home, he would be flayed for being a coward hiding in shame for his betrayal…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:16:10am

re: #12 jaunte

This is steady rollout really masterful shit. Wednesday will be Taylor and Hill, then Vindman on Thursday. He’s dominating the entire week’s coverage.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:19:22am

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

This is steady rollout really masterful shit. Wednesday will be Taylor and Hill, then Vindman on Thursday. He’s dominating the entire weeks coverage.

from #7 above, that’s why, jim jordan
because right now they’re smarter than you and they have the leverage
deal with it

seriously, though. is one day really that big a deal to you jim?
does it delegitimize everything?
this is all so tiring

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:20:23am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:21:43am

re: #15 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

The army will have to rename a daily tactical retreat “The Jordan.”

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:23:51am

A lot of responses on this tweet from MAGA cult followers saying the Hispanic victim got what he deserved.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:24:14am

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

This is steady rollout really masterful shit. Wednesday will be Taylor and Hill, then Vindman on Thursday. He’s dominating the entire weeks coverage.

And it’s even more tasty when you stop and think that the Republicans demanded this.

They handed Schiff a two by four and asked him to hold steady as they walked into it as he swung.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:28:42am

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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A lot of responses on this tweet from MAGA cult followers saying the Hispanic victim got what he deserved.

Why the hell is a guy carrying around a container of battery acid in the first place? Has anyone asked that?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:31:12am

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

Why the hell is a guy carrying around a container of battery acid in the first place? Has anyone asked that?

I’ve been wondering the same. All I can think of is he went outside with the intent of attacking the first Latino person he saw.

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jeffreyw  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:31:24am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:32:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:32:33am

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

Why the hell is a guy carrying around a container of battery acid in the first place? Has anyone asked that?

What, you don’t walk around with a bottle of battery acid?!

/s

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:33:41am

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

I’m positive that Trump and his friends have revealed secrets to Hannity.

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Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:34:21am

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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A lot of responses on this tweet from MAGA cult followers saying the Hispanic victim got what he deserved.

You’re not kidding. He lunges because fighting words were spoken, which until last fall would mean he’s off the hook, and they say “well he shouldn’t have lunged”.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:34:23am

JFC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:34:34am

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

What, you don’t walk around with a bottle of battery acid?!

/s

in case you run into someone who is basic…

////////ssssssssssss

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:35:05am

re: #19 makeitstop

And it’s even more tasty when you stop and think that the Republicans demanded this.

They handed Schiff a two by four and asked him to hold steady as they walked into it as he swung.

…Republicans walked into a bar

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:37:17am

re: #29 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

…Republicans walked into a rebar

And it’s gonna leave a mark.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:37:37am

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

So, given this should the committee issue a subpoena to Sean Hannity?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:38:39am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:39:31am

re: #29 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

…Republicans walked into a bar

You’d think *one* of them woulda seen it coming

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:40:25am

re: #33 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

You’d think *one* of them woulda seen it coming

They were all too busy looking out for their own personal interests, that is where their weakness lies.

Party over country and self over party…

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:45:23am

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

re: #25 HappyWarrior

No question whatsoever.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:45:48am

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

Why the hell is a guy carrying around a container of battery acid in the first place? Has anyone asked that?

Monty Hall might ask him for it on Lets Make a Deal?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:49:19am

re: #31 Feline Fearless Leader

So, given this should the committee issue a subpoena to Sean Hannity?

Yes. Not only does he have relevant information, it will drive Trump nuts.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:52:11am

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. Not only does he have relevant information, it will drive Trump nuts.

He would make a great test subject for inherent contempt.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:56:30am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:57:09am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:57:38am

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. Not only does he have relevant information, it will drive Trump nuts.

And Hannity would have no valid reason for refusing to testify, except for Fifth Amendment protection. Remember though, he would willingly perjure himself since there is likely to be no records that would refute his statements and anyone who confided in him would equally lie or be someone who could claim executive privilege.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 10:58:08am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:03:32am

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

A lot of responses on this tweet from MAGA cult followers saying the Hispanic victim got what he deserved.

But DRumpF is the biggest, yuuuugest Victim of Hoax Witch Hunt ever.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:05:04am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:05:54am

How did we miss this?

Of course the fundamentalists are eulogizing, but in reality P.E.J. was one of the biggest enablers of atavism.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:08:05am

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

And Hannity would have no valid reason for refusing to testify, except for Fifth Amendment protection.

You don’t think he’d take the opportunity to try and turn it into a First Amendment case and make it all about revealing his sources?

He’d jump on that in a New York minute.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:08:19am

Nats fans had more sense than the players… apparently.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:09:03am

re: #45 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

How did we miss this?

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Of course the fundamentalists are eulogizing, but in reality P.E.J. was one of the biggest enablers of atavism.

He spread an incredible amount of anti-science bullshit in his life. He may have been decent to his family, I don’t know, but his social legacy is terrible.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:09:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:11:36am

re: #46 makeitstop

You don’t think he’d take the opportunity to try and turn it into a First Amendment case and make it all about revealing his sources?

He’d jump on that in a New York minute.

You are so right! I would hope that he would get to serve time in prison, like Judith Miller, for “protecting” his sources.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:12:43am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I’ve pretty much convinced myself that Trumpism is the direct result of the marriage of Christian fundamentalism with the old GOP. While there are plenty of right-wingers who are not Christians, the majority are, and they are of the fundamentalist kind.

More so, it has been the reactionary movement against the changes in the US during the 1960’s that grew to the monster that we now have.

And part of that reactionary movement was to put God “back in” the classroom, which is exactly where P.E.J. comes in.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:15:30am

dean barbour, 5 hours ago edited

Flashback…. The 10 instances of Trumpian obstruction that Mueller listed in his failed report are……

(1) Trump’s attempts to intimidate witnesses
(2) Efforts to undermine and remove Robert Mueller
(3) Trump’s attacks on his former laywer Michael Cohen
(4) Attempts by Trump to persuade Sessions to unrecuse
(5) Pressure on Comey to end probe of Gen. Michael Flynn

(6) President’s never ending attacks on the investigation itself.
(7) Lies about Trump tower meeting between Junior and the Russians
(8) Firing of Comey & Trump’s admission that it was to stop Russia probe
(9) Instructions by Trump to Lewandowski to tell Sessions to discredit Mueller.
(10) Trump’s attempts to persuade McGahn to lie about Trump’s order to fire Mueller

Trump has been in total obstruction mode for the last 1,017 days and it’s only going to get worse the more the evidence of his blatant criminality and traitorous behavior piles up against him. The white house has adopted legislative anarchy and open rebellion against the balance of powers and the Constitution as its last-ditch defense against the democrats. In Trumpy World™ lawlessness is the new patriotism

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:17:59am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:18:27am

“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:18:48am

re: #46 makeitstop

You don’t think he’d take the opportunity to try and turn it into a First Amendment case and make it all about revealing his sources?

He’d jump on that in a New York minute.

Can’t do that till you show up and a
‘reveal your source’ question is asked

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:20:25am

re: #49 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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“Unborn baby”. Sigh

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:20:54am

re: #51 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’ve pretty much convinced myself that Trumpism is the direct result of the marriage of Christian fundamentalism with the old GOP. While there are plenty of right-wingers who are not Christians, the majority are, and they are of the fundamentalist kind.

More so, it has been the reactionary movement against the changes in the US during the 1960’s that grew to the monster that we now have.

And part of that reactionary movement was to put God “back in” the classroom, which is exactly where P.E.J. comes in.

A lot of libertarian types like myself have been run out of the party, especially as the conservochristian version of populism started to take over. I think a lot of the old style establishment defense and budget hawk types have also been run out. And that’s basically left the GOP as the worst possible form of a European style Christian Democratic party.

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:22:12am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

A central driving force behind nationalism is the othering of… well, everyone else.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:23:48am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:29:52am

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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If this persons god is the designer of life, then his god is a fucking idiot. I was born with a bad aortic valve and digestive valve. Have had surgeries since I was fucking 1 year old to stay alive. If his god designed that, the designer is a fucking moron. Much easier to believe that is was just a happenstance of fate for me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:30:32am

re: #58 KGxvi

A central driving force behind nationalism is the othering of… well, everyone else.

Love your country by hating your fellow citizens?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:31:38am

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:32:51am
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Citizen K  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:33:37am

Welp, at least I know now never to root for the Nationals ever again. I can only imagine what the opener next season will look like.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:33:55am

re: #60 Eventual Carrion

If this persons god is the designer of life, then his god is a fucking idiot. I was born with a bad aortic valve and digestive valve. Have had surgeries since I was fucking 1 year old to stay alive. If his god designed that, the designer is a fucking moron. Much easier to believe that is was just a happenstance of fate for me.

Have you ever read Of Human Bondage?

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:34:32am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Love your country by hating your fellow citizens?

“pure” nationalism is a bit different than religious/racial nationalism. In the later, religion and/or race are central to defining the nation (particularly the “people”). In the former, religious and racial differences are downplayed for the sake of the national identity. Granted, that rarely holds because nationalist leaders need someone to blame their failed policies on, so they inevitably turn from enemies without to enemies within.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:35:08am

The only logical and rational decision they could have made. Also unanimous.

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Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:36:13am

re: #47 lawhawk

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Nats fans had more sense than the players… apparently.

Some of the players. There’s also the one with the autistic relative (though I misspelt “@whatwouldDOOdo” in my tweet celebrating that):

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:36:41am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

rich gets it wrong from the start:

It is true that it can be abused for illiberal ends, but the basic impetus for it--for a self-governing people to occupy a distinct territory—is elemental.

he left out relevant parts of the ‘elemental basic impetus’:
- our nation above all others
- only “some” groups should be free to rule themselves
and
- to work, it’s usually to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations and peoples

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:37:48am

re: #54 jaunte

the fucking president is a fucking monster

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:38:52am

re: #65 Belafon

Have you ever read Of Human Bondage?

No. Does it try to explain that all this is part of the plan like I had a priest try to do to me? I told the priest that his god was a prick also then. It’s no wonder I got kicked out of my catholic high school.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:40:09am

re: #7 jaunte

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They wanted the transcripts released in the traditional CYA fashion: On a Friday afternoon, in one huge lump, and without any fanfare whatsoever.

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:40:11am

re: #60 Eventual Carrion

If this persons god is the designer of life, then his god is a fucking idiot. I was born with a bad aortic valve and digestive valve. Have had surgeries since I was fucking 1 year old to stay alive. If his god designed that, the designer is a fucking moron. Much easier to believe that is was just a happenstance of fate for me.

I think we’ve had this conversation around here before, but I always feel like the obvious argument against intelligent design (or creationism more generally) is that humans are actually piss poorly designed. Brittle bones, easily punctured skin, an immune system that will turn against itself, reproduction and waste disposal using the same parts, vision is poor and always failing, bad hearing, bad sense of smell, only two sets of teeth for a life time (which don’t even all fit), slow, not particularly strong… like that gets a failing most design classes.

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uncah91  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:41:37am

re: #29 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

…Republicans walked into a bar

re: #30 makeitstop

And it’s gonna leave a mark.

They probably started sleeping with corduroy pillows because they heard that it was a great way to make headlines…

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:42:51am

re: #69 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

a self-governing people to occupy a distinct territory

That’s the international law definition of a nation-state. Which is entirely different from the ideology of nationalism, which is, philosophically speaking… shit.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:43:05am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He spread an incredible amount of anti-science bullshit in his life. He may have been decent to his family, I don’t know, but his social legacy is terrible.

He was COMPLETELY outside his lane on the “intelligent design” nonsense. He did not have a scientific background. He was also completely wrong on how courts would handle ID. I hope he read Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District with great dismay. Judge John E. Jones was having none of that crap.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:45:06am

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

- you are perfectly welcome to believe (faith without benefit of proof) in the idea ‘goddidit’. it is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word, do not apply.

- you are not welcome to believe that ‘goddidit’ is an explanation everyone must see and accept. that is an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth (such that there can be one). for that you need to do the math and science, provide proof and show your work.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:46:05am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:47:08am

re: #73 KGxvi

I think we’ve had this conversation around here before, but I always feel like the obvious argument against intelligent design (or creationism more generally) is that humans are actually piss poorly designed. Brittle bones, easily punctured skin, an immune system that will turn against itself, reproduction and waste disposal using the same parts, vision is poor and always failing, bad hearing, bad sense of smell, only two sets of teeth for a life time (which don’t even all fit), slow, not particularly strong… like that gets a failing most design classes.

Intelligent design was never intended to actually make sense. It’s bullshit dressed up in vaguely scientific language - deliberately deceptive, thinly disguised creationism.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:50:46am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:50:58am

re: #77 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

“God did it”

First define each of these three words in a testable, repeatable way.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:51:26am

re: #31 Feline Fearless Leader

So, given this should the committee issue a subpoena to Sean Hannity?

He’ll claim executive privilege, cause he works for the president.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:51:47am

re: #45 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

How did we miss this?

[Embedded content]

Of course the fundamentalists are eulogizing, but in reality P.E.J. was one of the biggest enablers of atavism.

Ah, yes. The inventor of the dishonest Wedge Strategy. rationalwiki.org

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:55:51am
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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:56:01am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Intelligent design was never intended to actually make sense. It’s bullshit dressed up in vaguely scientific language - deliberately deceptive, thinly disguised creationism.

“Intelligent design” has never been anything more than creationism in a trench coat, more often than not pushed by the same sort of asshole who believes in “genetic racism.” IT has always been about getting that foot in the door, relying upon the always incomplete picture of scientific knowledge to argue that the “answer” is a “designer” who is just “God” in everything but name. It’s all about the dumbing down of America by saying that since science can’t prove everything to 100% accuracy, then be skeptical of science and ready to accept a creation myth unflinchingly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:56:38am

re: #69 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

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rich gets it wrong from the start:

he left out relevant parts of the ‘elemental basic impetus’:
- our nation above all others
- only “some” groups should be free to rule themselves
and
- to work, it’s usually to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations and peoples

Read a review of Lowrys trash in the WaPo yesterday. Basically he wants to ignore nationalism’s role in the carnage of last century. He’s a fucking kook as is NRO.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:57:32am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Intelligent design was never intended to actually make sense. It’s bullshit dressed up in vaguely scientific language - deliberately deceptive, thinly disguised creationism.

re: #59 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

and i’ll add that both ‘goddidit’ and intelligent design are ‘explanations’.
in the sense that they are ideas, and could be possible.

where they, and most other ‘explanations’ run into trouble is the misuse of the word belief as i stated in re: #77 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

there are only two lanes
you have to pick one.

if you’re making a statement of belief that something is a ‘fact’ (colloquial), then it’s subject to the same standards and scrutiny as any other fact. and it’ll stand or fall based on the merits of inquiry, discovery, and conclusion.

if you’re making a statement of belief without proof, then you can believe anything you want and no one has any obligation to accept, agree, or believe as you do.
(nor, imo should anyone else argue or debate it. it’s faith)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:57:49am

Who is Trump groping in that gif?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:58:05am

re: #82 I Would Prefer Not To

He’ll claim executive privilege, cause he works for the president.

Legal question: If the government is not paying you for your services, can you claim executive privilege? What private conversations are legally protected that could apply in this situation? Certainly not client-lawyer privilege.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:58:32am

Operation Obfuscation Gaslight Sea lion

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:58:39am

re: #82 I Would Prefer Not To

He’ll claim executive privilege, cause he works for the president.

i would love to see that happen

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:58:54am

re: #54 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

Al Franken was forced to resign because of a photo showing him doing that.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:59:58am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

the president is a creepazoid
everyone knows what he meant
who fucking does this?
i am….absolutely speechless

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:00:05pm

re: #77 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

- you are perfectly welcome to believe (faith without benefit of proof) in the idea ‘goddidit’. it is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word, do not apply.

- you are not welcome to believe that ‘goddidit’ is an explanation everyone must see and accept. that is an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth (such that there can be one). for that you need to do the math and science, provide proof and show your work.

Neither the universe, nor life in it, requires the existence of a God.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:00:15pm

There is nothing love based except the love of greed in what Lowry writes about.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:00:58pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Read a review of Lowrys trash in the WaPo yesterday. Basically he wants to ignore nationalism’s role in the carnage of last century. He’s a fucking kook as is NRO.

These people are not kooks; they are malevolent racists and liars trying to spread their poison however they can.

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uncah91  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:01:11pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Intelligent design was never intended to actually make sense. It’s bullshit dressed up in vaguely scientific language - deliberately deceptive, thinly disguised creationism.

The guy who first proposed it had some interesting ideas and questions (although he very well may have been motivated by theistic belief). Irreducible complexity is an idea that would constitute a valid critique of the theory of evolution (even though the supposed examples of it did not actually show irreducible complexity).

But everything past that initial idea is exactly as you describe. The court case which invalidated the teaching of ID showed that the primary textbook that was being used to teach intelligent design was shown to simply be a version of creationist text where simply replaced all references to creationism with intelligent design (and I mean that in a literal sense).

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:01:35pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Who is Trump groping in that gif?

Nats catcher Kurt Suzuki.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:02:05pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Nats catcher Kurt Suzuki.

Thanks.

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:03:00pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Legal question: If the government is not paying you for your services, can you claim executive privilege? What private conversations are legally protected that could apply in this situation? Certainly not client-lawyer privilege.

Not my area of expertise, but I don’t think there’s a lot of case law on what constitutes executive privilege even generally, let alone specifically. But I do believe, at least based on tradition, that the president has been able to claim executive privilege with respect to conversations with non-government employees/private citizens. The idea being that sometimes the president/executive branch needs to talk to people not in the government to get different perspectives/ideas/advice and that those conversations, as part of the deliberative process, are protected.

But I don’t know if there’s case law about who holds the privilege and who can waive it and all that fun stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:03:11pm

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

These people are not kooks; they are malevolent racists and liars trying to spread their poison however they can.

I think you’re being a little pedantic focusing on my word choice. Lowry definitely is a kook in the sense he wants to act like nationalism is an ideology without hate.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

“Intelligent design” has never been anything more than creationism in a trench coat, more often than not pushed by the same sort of asshole who believes in “genetic racism.” IT has always been about getting that foot in the door, relying upon the always incomplete picture of scientific knowledge to argue that the “answer” is a “designer” who is just “God” in everything but name. It’s all about the dumbing down of America by saying that since science can’t prove everything to 100% accuracy, then be skeptical of science and ready to accept a creation myth unflinchingly.

- i agree 100% though i have no problem with ID as an (er) idea.
- the problem is when they change lanes and make it ‘scientific’ without doing any of the work.
- if you dont make it testable, independently repeatable, etc, then it’s just a statement of words with no support of its veracity.
- you dont get an automatic ‘blessing’ just because it’s creation related. (see what i did there?)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:05:12pm

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

Al Franken was forced to resign because of a photo showing him doing that.

franken didnt make contact (iirc)

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:05:30pm

re: #92 The Pie Overlord!

Al Franken was forced to resign because of a photo showing him doing that.

Franken obviously wasn’t a big enough star to get away with it

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:06:14pm

re: #94 Belafon

Neither the universe, nor life in it, requires the existence of a God.

That is true. But a reminder: the scientific theories so far have no explanation for the origin of the Big Bang and the state of the universe (or whatever existed) prior to the Big Bang. Science explained what happened but not really how.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:07:52pm

re: #58 KGxvi

A central driving force behind nationalism is the othering of… well, everyone else.

It is possible to be proud of one’s country without having to hate or demean or marginalize others, but the with-us-or-against-us mentality always seems to win out with them

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:08:09pm

re: #94 Belafon

Neither the universe, nor life in it, requires the existence of a God.

while that is true, as in ‘requires’, determining the actual truth or falsity of it would require something more rigorous

(i fear a rabbit hole is near…)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:08:10pm

What disgusts me about the groping is Trump, Suzuki, and all of them obviously think this is funny. It makes Trump’s feigned outrage at Franken all the more pathetic.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:08:52pm

re: #100 KGxvi

Not my area of expertise, but I don’t think there’s a lot of case law on what constitutes executive privilege even generally, let alone specifically. But I do believe, at least based on tradition, that the president has been able to claim executive privilege with respect to conversations with non-government employees/private citizens. The idea being that sometimes the president/executive branch needs to talk to people not in the government to get different perspectives/ideas/advice and that those conversations, as part of the deliberative process, are protected.

But I don’t know if there’s case law about who holds the privilege and who can waive it and all that fun stuff.

There’s no way that a President can constrain anybody not currently working in the White House against that person’s will. If they want to comply either voluntarily or in response to a subpoena the Courts will let them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:08:55pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is possible to be proud of one’s country without having to hate or demean or marginalize others, but the with-us-or-against-us mentality always seems to win out with them

That’s patriotism. There’s a big difference between patriotism and nationalism. And Lowry wants to try to act like the two are the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:09:22pm

re: #60 Eventual Carrion

If this persons god is the designer of life, then his god is a fucking idiot. I was born with a bad aortic valve and digestive valve. Have had surgeries since I was fucking 1 year old to stay alive. If his god designed that, the designer is a fucking moron. Much easier to believe that is was just a happenstance of fate for me.

I don’t even go into those arguments. Point is, if you are a Biblical literalist, you have to rely on pseudoscientific postulates to explain what Evolution makes consistently clear,

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:10:21pm

re: #102 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

- i agree 100% though i have no problem with ID as an (er) idea.
- the problem is when they change lanes and make it ‘scientific’ without doing any of the work.
- if you dont make it testable, independently repeatable, etc, then it’s just a statement of words with no support of its veracity.
- you dont get an automatic ‘blessing’ just because it’s creation related. (see what i did there?)

Big Bang is not independently repeatable. Though there are testable observations based on this theory.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:10:31pm

re: #77 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

- you are perfectly welcome to believe (faith without benefit of proof) in the idea ‘goddidit’. it is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word, do not apply.

- you are not welcome to believe that ‘goddidit’ is an explanation everyone must see and accept. that is an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth (such that there can be one). for that you need to do the math and science, provide proof and show your work.

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Goddidit explains nothing, because what god is and what he allegedly did are unexplained, and in fact unexplainable in anything other than the vaguest terms. Whenever ID creationists try to get specific (bacterial flaggella are “irreducibly complex” and therefore “designed”), they get demolished.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:12:38pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:12:57pm

Nationalism is not needed in America especially espoused by the people who have been in charge of the country from the inception i.e. pudgy white guys like Rich.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:13:17pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:14:18pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

What disgusts me about the groping is Trump, Suzuki, and all of them obviously think this is funny. It makes Trump’s feigned outrage at Franken all the more pathetic.

is it ok for the president of the united states to grope a man on national television in a way that everyone knows he wishes he were doing to a woman?

yes. we’re actually here.
i weep for my sanity

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KGxvi  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:14:24pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

There’s no way that a President can constrain anybody not currently working in the White House against that person’s will. If they want to comply either voluntarily or in response to a subpoena the Courts will let them.

I agree, and the rational offered for this particular form of executive privilege in US v Nixon was:

[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process.

So you could actually argue that the person giving advice/counsel holds the privilege rather than the president. But as I’ve said, there’s very little case law on it, and is one of the few remaining grey areas of constitutional law.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:14:40pm

re: #67 gocart mozart

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We have to be glad this guy was his own lawyer as a question from the lower court was not properly preserved.

The Supreme Court said its finding that the agreement was enforceable makes moot Goodwin’s argument about preserving human life. What’s more, Goodwin, who acted as his own lawyer during the divorce, did not raise the issue of preserving life at the trial court, so it is not reviewable on appeal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:15:57pm

re: #117 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

is it ok for the president of the united states to grope a man on national television in a way that everyone knows he wishes he were doing to a woman?

yes. we’re actually here.
i weep for my sanity

What gets me is how we’re at this reality where so many people not only believe this fuckwad is doing a great job but he’s doing one of the best jobs ever.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:18:27pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

Big Bang is not independently repeatable. Though there are testable observations based on this theory.

yeah i know
i threw in the ‘etc’ to mean the entire realm of science, the scientific method, math, physics, observation, induction, deduction, etc. the method of understanding and proof we’ve come to accept for now as the natural world.

as to “Big Bang is not independently repeatable.” maybe not yet. or by us
maybe it has been repeated… //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:18:35pm

Then there was 19th-century German and Italian nationalism, which was about making a single united country out of a patchwork of German/Italian-speaking regions (in the general sense, the dialects were often barely mutually intelligible)

One needs to keep in mind that Deutschland Über Alles originally meant “a united Germany above a patchwork of states”

And when Wilson tried to apply those criteria to the remains of that enormous cultural/linguistic/ethnic clusterfuck called the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the results were a mass of arbitrary lines that let to generations of ongoing war and chaos…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:19:26pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Goddidit explains nothing, because what god is and what he allegedly did are unexplained, and in fact unexplainable in anything other than the vaguest terms. Whenever ID creationists try to get specific (bacterial flaggella are “irreducibly complex” and therefore “designed”), they get demolished.

yup. pick a lane.
stay on one and youre fine
change to the other and you might get run over

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:20:24pm

re: #60 Eventual Carrion

Have had surgeries since I was fucking 1 year old to stay alive. If his god designed that, the designer is a fucking moron.

Or a fucking bastard.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:27:24pm

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But he failed, so according to Trump supporters, no crime was committed, right?

Sadly, since the target was a synagogue, many Red Hats would probably be okay with that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:28:16pm

Three creationists talking about God:

The first one comments, “God must be a mechanical engineer, just look at the intricate system of bones, tendons, muscles and ligaments!”

“No.” says the second one, God must be an electrical engineer:, how else could he have conceived of the human brain and nervous system?”

“God is a civil engineer,” counters the third: “Who else would have put a sewer outlet right in the middle of a recreation area?”

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:31:43pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Comic Rimshot!

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:42:28pm
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sagehen  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:43:57pm

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

Why the hell is a guy carrying around a container of battery acid in the first place? Has anyone asked that?

Because Plan A was to attack a woman who either broke up with him, or refused to date him in the first place). Then he got sidetracked and threw it on a Hispanic instead. (hypothesis: does he have an ex-girlfriend who left him for a Hispanic guy?)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:45:23pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

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Even if you like Trump, this is weird. I’d be totally weirded out if I saw Obama grabbing Lebron James or Stephan Curry like that.

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EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:46:10pm

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Goddidit explains nothing, because what god is and what he allegedly did are unexplained, and in fact unexplainable in anything other than the vaguest terms. Whenever ID creationists try to get specific (bacterial flaggella are “irreducibly complex” and therefore “designed”), they get demolished.

Another way of saying much the same thing is this:

Goddidit explains nothing precisely because it ‘explains’ everything. Absolutely everything can be hand waved away with ‘goddidit’, making it the perfect refuge for the willfully stupid and the incorrigibly lazy.

IMO the real definition of science is simply the agreement to reject goddidit and anything similar as explanations. With that settled, the only game in town is experiment/observations and rational theory-crafting. Centuries of success with this scientific approach has proven its validity wherever it applies.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:50:38pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

Now imagine Taft doing that to Washington Senators catcher Heinie Beckendorf.
pbs.org

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:51:51pm
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ericblair  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:52:15pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Nationalism is not needed in America especially espoused by the people who have been in charge of the country from the inception i.e. pudgy white guys like Rich.

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’.[1] But secondly ­- and this is much more important - I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

-George Orwell, “Notes on Nationalism”

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:52:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:55:13pm

re: #134 ericblair

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’.[1] But secondly ­- and this is much more important - I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

-George Orwell, “Notes on Nationalism”

That’s really well said. Thanks. Have read Orwell but only his narratives and not essays.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:56:35pm

re: #135 gocart mozart

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Yeah. What in the name of fuck?

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ericblair  Nov 4, 2019 • 12:58:51pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

That’s really well said. Thanks. Have read Orwell but only his narratives and not essays.

They’re definitely worth reading, most of them anyway. He thinks a lot about this, and obviously just before WWII it became important indeed. The whole essay is available here.

ETA another good paragraph:

It is also worth emphasizing once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative. There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit. When one grasps the implications of this, the nature of what I mean by nationalism becomes a good deal clearer. A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist – that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating – but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the up-grade and some hated rival is on the down-grade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also – since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself – unshakeably certain of being in the right.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:01:10pm

re: #134 ericblair

orwell was a genius

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:03:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:03:20pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:03:46pm

Just paged this - the screeching harpy who inspired hilarious laughter while ranting at an Arizona council meeting …

… has been arrested for identity theft, and claims that she’s “above the law.”

Always fun to watch these freaks implode.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:04:06pm

Lre: #138 ericblair

They’re definitely worth reading, most of them anyway. He thinks a lot about this, and obviously just before WWII it became important indeed. The whole essay is available here.

ETA another good paragraph:

It is also worth emphasizing once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative. There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit. When one grasps the implications of this, the nature of what I mean by nationalism becomes a good deal clearer. A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist – that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating – but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the up-grade and some hated rival is on the down-grade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also – since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself – unshakeably certain of being in the right.

Thanks. I actually took a class on Eastern European nationalism. Found it very informative. I’ve increasingly regarding WWII find myself more interested in its roots more so than the war itself.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:04:55pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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Of course.

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Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:07:51pm

Sidenote: since I overrun even the modern limit so often, I sometimes have trouble grasping how I ever Tweeted under the old cap.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:08:58pm

We are not a world leader anymore.

We have forfeited that standing and may never get it back.

But hey…gotta own those libs, right?

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:08:59pm
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:10:15pm

re: #147 The Pie Overlord!

Except that the Titanic scene was a simulation of flying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:11:20pm

re: #139 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

orwell was a genius

I’m reading the entire link per EB. What I like is how he points out that nationalists want to break down tre: #139 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

orwell was a genius

I’m reading the essay. He gets it immediately when he talks about how the nationalist breaks down entire groups as being absolutely good or evil and that the nationalist sees history only in our greatest victories and humiliations. That’s exactly what Nazism was. You can even see it in how some of the Nazis got into the pagan stuff even if that vastly predated united Germany.

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Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:11:40pm

re: #148 jaunte

Except that the Titanic scene was a simulation of flying.

Oh, so was Trump’s! Admittedly it was “flying like a 737Max” but that’s still flying for a few seconds!

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:12:14pm
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:12:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:13:54pm

re: #151 jaunte

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God he’s so desperate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:14:44pm

Next he’ll go to a hockey game with Putin and get a huge ovation and tweet about it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:14:50pm

re: #135 gocart mozart

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Think what’s more egregious is that every one of her superiors she turned to for help basically threw her to the head wolf (Trump) to save their own asses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:16:49pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Think what’s more egregious is that every one of her superiors she turned to for help basically threw her to the head wolf (Trump) to save their own asses.

Sounds like standard Republican M.O. to me.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:16:56pm

re: #151 jaunte

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Yeah, I can’t see announcing your intent to attend a sporting event after being roundly booed at two recent ones. Pure genius move there.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:17:41pm

re: #151 jaunte

Someone should show him polling among college students.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:20:16pm

re: #159 Belafon

Someone should show him polling among college students.

The stand, though, will be full of Alumni, which in ‘bama territory will be greatly MAGAheads.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:21:06pm

re: #159 Belafon

Someone should show him polling among college students.

Unfortunately that’s gonna be a big game. Doubt the audience will be student dominant.

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Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:21:29pm

re: #159 Belafon

Someone should show him polling among college students.

Still, to be fair: Tuscaloosa, and a stadium that seats more than the entire student body even if they were all to turn up, because a lot of alumni hold the majority of the season tickets.

Hoping he still catches boos, not totes counting on it there.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:23:15pm

I think we can count on two things: He’ll get more cheers than boos, and that the media will ignore the boos at the previous two appearances to claim that he “remains popular among voters” despite polls showing he’s been dragging the bottom for weeks.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:23:19pm

re: #162 Chrysicat

I also would not be too suprised if Alabama has fake phony cheering coming out over the PA system.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:24:24pm

re: #162 Chrysicat

Still, to be fair: Tuscaloosa, and a stadium that seats more than the entire student body even if they were all to turn up, because a lot of alumni hold the majority of the season tickets.

Hoping he still catches boos, not totes counting on it there.

Yes that was my thought too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:24:47pm

re: #164 Florida Panhandler

I also would not be too suprised if LSU has fake phony cheering coming out over the PA system.

I was thinking that as well.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:25:19pm

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191103 edition ———————————>

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:25:27pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

I think we can count on two things: He’ll get more cheers than boos, and that the media will ignore the boos at the previous two appearances to claim that he “remains popular among voters” despite polls showing he’s been dragging the bottom for weeks.

Oh yeah he’s definitely trying to manipulate the media here.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:27:55pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:28:16pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Even if you like Trump, this is weird. I’d be totally weirded out if I saw Obama grabbing Lebron James or Stephan Curry like that.

the effing president!
on TV!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:30:19pm

re: #151 jaunte

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re: #164 Florida Panhandler

I also would not be too suprised if Alabama has fake phony cheering coming out over the PA system.

No need.
This is stupid risk management. If he’s cheered in Alabama, it’s meaningless. If he’s boo’ed (unlikely), it’s a disaster.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:32:29pm

re: #170 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

the effing president!
on TV!!!!

Yeah seriously?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:32:56pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

God he’s so desperate.

does a lot of work doesnt he?

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:33:43pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

No need.
This is stupid risk management. If he’s cheered in Alabama, it’s meaningless. If he’s boo’ed (unlikely), it’s a disaster.

It’ll be meaningless, but you can be sure there will be “very serious people” insisting that this is evidence that his base still loves him and thus Dems are “in trouble.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:33:51pm

re: #173 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

does a lot of work doesnt he?

No president more busy than him. We should start calling him “9 to 5” because he’s not a full time President.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:34:00pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

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spike jones.
the second and third record albums i ever owned

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:35:07pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Yeah seriously?

absolutely zero impulse control

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:35:40pm

re: #177 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

absolutely zero impulse control

And he fucking shit talks on Biden.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:37:22pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

It’ll be meaningless, but you can be sure there will be “very serious people” insisting that this is evidence that his base still loves him and thus Dems are “in trouble.”

we / the dems know how big his base is
it’s not getting any bigger
in fact there are reasonable arguments support for his shitty schtick is shrinking

showing a curated audience of red hats demonstrates nothing but a bit of logistical sleight of hand

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:38:09pm

That horrible photo is going to haunt Kurt Suzuki for the rest of his life.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:38:13pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

No president more busy than him. We should start calling him “9 to 5” because he’s not a full time President.

lately i;m going with “President 15 minute delay”

a bit awkward but damn, they were serious about that

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:43:50pm

re: #93 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

I can see the puppeteers hands. Not art.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:44:56pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:47:29pm

re: #179 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

we / the dems know how big his base is
it’s not getting any bigger
in fact there are reasonable arguments support for his shitty schtick is shrinking

showing a curated audience of red hats demonstrates nothing but a bit of logistical sleight of hand

Again, it’s not about really fooling anybody but two groups: the rubes and “very serious people.” Both groups will declare to anybody who will listen that this is evidence that the boos at the Nats game and UFC championship were “flukes,” that he remains popular among “Real Americans,” and thus all the talk about Dems making inroads into red states is “fake news.”

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:49:14pm

Don’t cha love Microsoft? Want to uninstall App X. “Installer must be updated first”.
Really?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:49:46pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Again, it’s not about really fooling anybody but two groups: the rubes and “very serious people.” Both groups will declare to anybody who will listen that this is evidence that the boos at the Nats game and UFC championship were “flukes,” that he remains popular among “Real Americans,” and thus all the talk about Dems making inroads into red states is “fake news.”

If anyone boos Trump in Tuscaloosa, that’s Roy Moore and Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third.

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Momkat56  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:50:33pm

re: #151 jaunte

I’ve lived in Tuscaloosa for 49 years and know a thing or two about local politics at least. You’d be surprised how many Democrats live here and would love to boo him out of town. The problem is that I’m pretty sure they aren’t the ones who attend football games. Still a pretty dumbass stunt to try to pull off, considering the last two attempts.

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Mescalero09  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:52:04pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:52:22pm

You have to remember that everything with Trump is about theatrics, about style (and appearance) over substance, and so video of cheering “fans” is part of an overall picture of a presidency that is totally riding high. While it’s largely been about his ego for years now, it’s also increasingly about trying to keep his shitty poll numbers from totally cratering. The folks at that LSU game will be the political equivalent of a studio audience, there to provide cues to the viewers at home about how they should feel when Cheeto Benito’s attendance is announced.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 1:56:06pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

And the Saturday Night Live skits write themselves.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:01:44pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:05:54pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

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Unless he’s following in the footsteps of Curt Schilling.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #192 Mike Lamb

Unless he’s following in the footsteps of Curt Schilling.

He’s from Hawaii. Gonna have an interesting time if / when he goes back.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:12:05pm

re: #181 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

lately i;m going with “President 15 minute delay”

a bit awkward but damn, they were serious about that

What we know is fucked up. There’s so much we don’t and might not ever.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:18:51pm

re: #185 William Lewis

Don’t cha love Microsoft? Want to uninstall App X. “Installer must be updated first”.
Really?

gotta press start to stop windows

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:19:00pm

re: #133 gocart mozart

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The Screw York Times has made it clear they want Trump re-elected.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:19:51pm

re: #139 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

orwell was a genius

So was Eric Blair!

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:20:26pm

I’m getting all sorts of tickled over seeing House Repubs whining that the very transcripts they demanded be released are being “cherry-picked.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:20:32pm

Trump’s disapproval rating has hit 55% on 538’s aggregate of polls, Trump’s highest disapproval rating since the shutdown in February.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:20:55pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

What we know is fucked up. There’s so much we don’t and might not ever.

not enough alcohol (and soap) for that

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:22:47pm

re: #199 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump’s disapproval rating has hit 55% on 538’s aggregate of polls, Trump’s highest disapproval rating since the shutdown in February.

And there’s a possibility he might shut down the government to try to stall impeachment this month.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:23:38pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

What we know is fucked up. There’s so much we don’t and might not ever.

There’s going to be a race to cash in once he’s out. Motherfuckers are going to try and sell us all kinds of crazy ass justifications about how they stayed on and humored him just to try to reign his most infantile impulses in and keep him from nuking the planet. His trajectory towards complete mental breakdown is unalterable and what comes out afterwards is going to be completely banana pants. The only person left inside the administration that genuinely likes him is probably Stephen Miller, the rest are cowardly wraiths and thralls who feel trapped by the situation they’ve put themselves in and are just hoping to wait it out.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:24:49pm

re: #201 Belafon

And there’s a possibility he might shut down the government to try to stall impeachment this month.

That would send his disapproval rating rocketing to new highs.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:26:58pm

re: #203 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That would send his disapproval rating rocketing to new highs.

Especially when he rolls out the excuse he’s been trying to get people to buy for weeks: “Democrats won’t work with me! Impeachment is all they want to focus on!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:27:00pm

re: #201 Belafon

And there’s a possibility he might shut down the government to try to stall impeachment this month.

Possibility?

Hell, I’m expecting him to shut it down longer than the last time!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:28:25pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

There’s going to be a race to cash in once he’s out. Motherfuckers are going to try and sell us all kinds of crazy ass justifications about how they stayed on and humored him just to try to reign his most infantile impulses in and keep him from nuking the planet. His trajectory towards complete mental breakdown is unalterable and what comes out afterwards is going to be completely banana pants. The only person left inside the administration that genuinely likes him is probably Stephen Miller, the rest are cowardly wraiths and thralls who feel trapped by the situation they’ve put themselves in and are just hoping to wait it out.

Yeah I expect Trump insider book fever to happen.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:30:14pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Yeah I expect Trump insider book fever to happen.

Ayep. Every career gov’t worker whose asses are now truly fraked will insist that they alone were the “lone voice of reason” in a sea of yes-men. And every co-conspirator will do the rounds on the Wingnut Welfare circuit to insist that they are the true masterminds behind the “genius” of his presidency.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:32:02pm

re: #205 Joe Bacon 🌹

Possibility?

Hell, I’m expecting him to shut it down longer than the last time!

Honestly I kind of doubt it, just because that might be the one thing that could prompt a veto proof override of a budget bill. It would be absolute political suicide.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:32:25pm

thegreatpoolpondconversion - bonus edition A cACTus in several ACTus —————->

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:32:32pm

Hey, now…

Let the ass-saving commence!

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:34:37pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

Honestly I kind of doubt it, just because that might be the one thing that could prompt a veto proof override of a budget bill. It would be absolute political suicide.

Not to mention that, unlike the last go-around, this one will involve defense funding. That’s a political nightmare no Republican will want to face: Voting “Nay” or simply refusing to hold a vote on paying troops just weeks before the holidays in defense of an increasingly unpopular president*. That’s a level of political seppuku that even Leningrad Lindsey will feel hard-pressed to get behind.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:34:39pm

re: #201 Belafon

And there’s a possibility he might shut down the government to try to stall impeachment this month.

please proceed

- right before the holidays
- congress still gets paid and can still work (iirc)
- everyone will know who did it and why
- there are likely votes to override

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:36:24pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

There’s going to be a race to cash in once he’s out. Motherfuckers are going to try and sell us all kinds of crazy ass justifications about how they stayed on and humored him just to try to reign his most infantile impulses in and keep him from nuking the planet. His trajectory towards complete mental breakdown is unalterable and what comes out afterwards is going to be completely banana pants. The only person left inside the administration that genuinely likes him is probably Stephen Miller, the rest are cowardly wraiths and thralls who feel trapped by the situation they’ve put themselves in and are just hoping to wait it out.

yeah he didnt blow up the planet today but, dayum!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:38:58pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

props to you

planking is way harder than it looks

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:43:05pm

re: #213 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

yeah he didnt blow up the planet today but, dayum!

Yeah, that’s going to be the running theme of all the post-Trump “tell-all” books: “If you think the shit that went on publicly was bad, think of how much worse it would have been if I wasn’t there!”

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:43:28pm

re: #81 jaunte

“God did it”

First define each of these three words in a testable, repeatable way.

I am ok with that sentence, but only in one pretty narrow context.
Back East there was, briefly, a band called The Gypsy Stretch Mark Orchestra. I think the full name was Captain Testosterone and The Gypsy Stretch Mark Orchestra. They had a song called “God Did It” which, if I recall correctly (this was very early 90’s so who knows) was about blaming God for things one does not wish to cop to.
I just spent some time looking for it online so I could share the goodness but so far I have struck out.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:43:44pm

The worst risk we probably face right now is how desperate Bill Barr, Pompeo and Pence become to cover up their own criminal complicity. If they can convince Trump to resign and install Pence via the back door they might try to destroy as many records as possible and then cover everyone’s asses with pardons. But would they trust Pence to actually do that, I wouldn’t. Pence has his own ambitions that probably don’t dovetail well with being the last one left holding the bag.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:45:33pm

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:46:13pm

re: #214 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

props to you

planking is way harder than it looks

It’s a bitch at first for sure. I really think the rowing machine helps over time if you maintain good form.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:48:23pm

Actually, now that I think about it, I could totally see Repubs trying to do what they’ve done in the past: Float a bill that is strictly about defense funding/troop pay, then grandstanding about how Dems are holding troops “hostage.” That if they’d just agree to bring impeachment to an end, that funding and all the other bills Americans “want” would quickly move towards Donny’s desk.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:49:14pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

Actually, now that I think about it, I could totally see Repubs trying to do what they’ve done in the past: Float a bill that is strictly about defense funding/troop pay, then grandstanding about how Dems are holding troops “hostage.” That if they’d just agree to bring impeachment to an end, that funding and all the other bills Americans “want” would quickly move towards Donny’s desk.

I do wonder how well that would work.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:49:56pm

re: #218 The Pie Overlord!

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:50:05pm

Well, at least one of the Nats got it right.

That fake smile means Trump is fucking steamed.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:50:52pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

P.S. I developed a bit of proximal tendonitis in my right bicep, probably from pushing it on the Techno Gym machines. Still like them better than free weights just because they make it a lot harder to injure yourself seriously.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:51:07pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I do wonder how well that would work.

About as well as it did in February when they insisted that federal employees were “hostages” to Dem refusal to fund the Great Wall of Trump.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:52:48pm

This motherfucker can’t make good on even the smallest little thing.

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Mescalero09  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:53:10pm
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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:53:50pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

Actually, now that I think about it, I could totally see Repubs trying to do what they’ve done in the past: Float a bill that is strictly about defense funding/troop pay, then grandstanding about how Dems are holding troops “hostage.” That if they’d just agree to bring impeachment to an end, that funding and all the other bills Americans “want” would quickly move towards Donny’s desk.

The problem for Trump and the GOP is it’s going to be so blatantly obvious why the shutdown is occurring. There are those that would cut off their child’s arm for Trump, but there are going to be a few more that will see just how many people he’s willing to sacrifice for his cause.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:54:08pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

The worst risk we probably face right now is how desperate Bill Barr, Pompeo and Pence become to cover up their own criminal complicity. If they can convince Trump to resign and install Pence via the back door they might try to destroy as many records as possible and then cover everyone’s asses with pardons. But would they trust Pence to actually do that, I wouldn’t. Pence has his own ambitions that probably don’t dovetail well with being the last one left holding the bag.

certainly trump cant issue those pardons (let alone for himself) before he’d go
so it has to be pence
pence is not squeaky clean in all this the way Gerald Ford was
a massive pardoning will be a hell of a tell

and i think then there might be some way to challenge the validity: can you direct or coerce others to commit acts, omissions, or actual crimes and conspiracies (obstruction of justice, violations of oath of office) as directed by the president and for which he is a part, and then arrange pardons for them all

it’s self pardoning one degree removed and would literally put them all above the law

and that’s before the questions of:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:55:34pm

re: #223 makeitstop

Well, at least one of the Nats got it right.

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That fake smile means Trump is fucking steamed.

He’s from southern California and a smart guy. He can’t be happy with how Trump is handling the fires.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:55:40pm

…..questions of

- preemptory pardons - before any trial and conviction

- can a president pardon himself for crimes specifically committed to obtain the office (2016) (and thus the pardon power) illegally. again, one degree removed doesnt change the basics.

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Jay C  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:55:45pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

Not to mention that, unlike the last go-around, this one will involve defense funding. That’s a political nightmare no Republican will want to face: Voting “Nay” or simply refusing to hold a vote on paying troops just weeks before the holidays in defense of an increasingly unpopular president*. That’s a level of political seppuku that even Leningrad Lindsey will feel hard-pressed to get behind.

Not to mention the fact that trying to hold government funding hostage to a curtailment/cancellation of the House impeachment hearings is likely to be viewed as basically even more of an admission of guilt on Trump & cronies’ part than even the tacit “confessions” which have been leaking out all over already. Shutdowns aren’t popular at any time: especially with holidays coming up: provoking one as blackmail even less so.

So still even-odds that Trump will try it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:55:50pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

About as well as it did in February when they insisted that federal employees were “hostages” to Dem refusal to fund the Great Wall of Trump.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:57:02pm

re: #226 makeitstop

This motherfucker can’t make good on even the smallest little thing.

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The King doesn’t want to dine with his peasants.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:57:20pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

Actually, now that I think about it, I could totally see Repubs trying to do what they’ve done in the past: Float a bill that is strictly about defense funding/troop pay, then grandstanding about how Dems are holding troops “hostage.” That if they’d just agree to bring impeachment to an end, that funding and all the other bills Americans “want” would quickly move towards Donny’s desk.

where do funding bills originate? //

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 2:58:21pm

re: #218 The Pie Overlord!

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:01:03pm

re: #228 Belafon

The problem for Trump and the GOP is it’s going to be so blatantly obvious why the shutdown is occurring. There are those that would cut off their child’s arm for Trump, but there are going to be a few more that will see just how many people he’s willing to sacrifice for his cause.

I’m gonna say that tomorrow’s results will make or break Repub support for Trump in the short-term, if not the long-term. You’re going to see a lot of very strained faces come Wednesday if the elections result in anything less than a red wave. If they win the gubernatorial races and hold the legislatures up for grabs, they’ll feel they can weather the storm and push forward with total obstruction. Anything else and you’re going to hear a lot more grumbling about ditching Donny.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:02:30pm

Yeah, this should be revealing…

Probably going to blame it on the Clintons.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:03:15pm

re: #238 makeitstop

Yeah, this should be revealing…

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Probably going to blame it on the Clintons.

What a joke.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:04:08pm

re: #235 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

where do funding bills originate? //

Which will make McCarthy all the more ballsy, as he’ll think he can kill two birds with one stone: Undermine Pelosi’s position as Speaker and fracture the House Dem caucus as a whole by pressing this talking point that House Repubs stand ready to pay the troops but their bill can’t even come to the floor for a vote because of impeachment.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:05:56pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

Which will make McCarthy all the more ballsy, as he’ll think he can kill two birds with one stone: Undermine Pelosi’s position as Speaker and fracture the House Dem caucus as a whole by pressing this talking point that House Repubs stand ready to pay the troops but their bill can’t even come to the floor for a vote because of impeachment.

We knew McCarthy wasn’t good at math, especially when he’s not allowed to take his shoes off, never mind when the numbers get beyond 20.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:06:31pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

just described this to mrs dm
soap or bourbon - maybe both

im settling on ‘gag me with a spoon’

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:06:58pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

Actually, now that I think about it, I could totally see Repubs trying to do what they’ve done in the past: Float a bill that is strictly about defense funding/troop pay, then grandstanding about how Dems are holding troops “hostage.” That if they’d just agree to bring impeachment to an end, that funding and all the other bills Americans “want” would quickly move towards Donny’s desk.

Pelosi would just pass the troop bill right alongside the main budget and then let McConnell explain, again, why he’s refusing to hold a vote on a budget resolution that would pass with overwhelming support.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:08:28pm

re: #226 makeitstop

This motherfucker can’t make good on even the smallest little thing.

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Con man gotta con

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:10:31pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

Which will make McCarthy all the more ballsy, as he’ll think he can kill two birds with one stone: Undermine Pelosi’s position as Speaker and fracture the House Dem caucus as a whole by pressing this talking point that House Repubs stand ready to pay the troops but their bill can’t even come to the floor for a vote because of impeachment.

try it, kevin:

“Republicans should stand ready to fund the entire government, even by the limited function of a CR. We cannot allow cutting out everybody except the troops so they can be used as a prop to impeded the impeachment inquiry”

or some such

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Jay C  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:10:55pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

Pelosi would just pass the troop bill right alongside the main budget and then let McConnell explain, again, why he’s refusing to hold a vote on a budget resolution that would pass with overwhelming support.

Not to mention that - leaving all the nuts-and-bolts budgetary-politics aside - the bottom line in the public mind is still going to be “Budget Blackmail Over Impeachment” headlines.

And anyway, the problem, for once, isn’t McConnell, but Trump.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:11:06pm

re: #216 Jebediah, RBG

There is apparently one video on youtube. I think I have it set to start at the right spot. If not, “God Did It” starts right about 13 minutes in.

Capt. Testosterone & Gypsy Stretchmark Orch. 08-30-1990 Middle East

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:16:23pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:19:33pm

re: #248 The Pie Overlord!

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The transcripts released today clock in at just under 400 pages total. And that’s just two of what looks to be at least 5-6 before week’s end. The only reason to scream “RELEASE THEM ALL NOW!!!” is the hope of swamping the drain by creating a one day blip on the radar that peters out just in time for Trump to do something to grab the media’s attention again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:20:36pm

re: #121 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

yeah i know
i threw in the ‘etc’ to mean the entire realm of science, the scientific method, math, physics, observation, induction, deduction, etc. the method of understanding and proof we’ve come to accept for now as the natural world.

as to “Big Bang is not independently repeatable.” maybe not yet. or by us
maybe it has been repeated… //

There is an old scifi short story (do not recall title or author or the exact plot line) that takes place at the heat death of the universe: the intelligence of all sentient life resides in some type of computer and as the universe dies, the computer restarts it. Probably as realistic a supposition as any!

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:21:49pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

The transcripts released today clock in at just under 400 pages total. And that’s just two of what looks to be at least 5-6 before week’s end. The only reason to scream “RELEASE THEM ALL NOW!!!” is the hope of swamping the drain by creating a one day blip on the radar that peters out just in time for Trump to do something to grab the media’s attention again.

Yep, Jordan tried the same thing this morning.

Schiff is playing it smart. A whole week of headlines, new revelations every day. It’s almost like they waited for the Rs to demand release and were laying for them. :)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:26:30pm

This thread explains why gay Nazi is attacking dapper Nazi. Its about supporting Trump.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:26:48pm

Nats update - a bunch of them didn’t go.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:26:57pm

What level of stupid do you have to be to send money to Her Griftness?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:30:27pm

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

What level of stupid do you have to be to send money to Her Griftness?

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Trump supporter level of stupid, one step above comatose.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:32:51pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

There is an old scifi short story (do not recall title or author or the exact plot line) that takes place at the heat death of the universe: the intelligence of all sentient life resides in some type of computer and as the universe dies, the computer restarts it. Probably as realistic a supposition as any!

I read that story.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:34:25pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:34:39pm

re: #196 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Screw York Times has made it clear they want Trump re-elected.

Maybe the poll question was: Who would you vote for, Trump or Pocahontas?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:37:37pm

re: #133 gocart mozart

Broken record here: polls are not worth the pixels that display them. We are living in a Literary Digest world where getting a true random sample of the voting population has become a herculean task that may have reached the “impossible to perform successfully” stage. Even ignoring this obstacle, at this point in the election cycle, most people are not paying much attention and won’t until the field has dwindled significantly in size. In any case, who knows what news or dishonest stories will seize the public imagination during the general election.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:39:34pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

There is an old scifi short story (do not recall title or author or the exact plot line) that takes place at the heat death of the universe: the intelligence of all sentient life resides in some type of computer and as the universe dies, the computer restarts it. Probably as realistic a supposition as any!

It was a short story by Isaac Asimov called “The Last Question.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:42:43pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

It was a short story by Isaac Asimov called “The Last Question.”

Thank you!! Read it decades ago — and didn’t recall much except the general story line.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:49:35pm

Ah, the rank, sweat-soaked stench of desperation:

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:55:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 3:55:17pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

Ah, the rank, sweat-soaked stench of desperation:

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Oh yay.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:02:23pm

re: #251 makeitstop

Yep, Jordan tried the same thing this morning.

Schiff is playing it smart. A whole week of headlines, new revelations every day. It’s almost like they waited for the Rs to demand release and were laying for them. :)

Like they know what they’re doing or something

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:03:47pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:06:23pm

Folks, spare a microsecond to feel something resembling pity for Devin Nunes, who just discovered that his buddy Jim has decided to shiv him in order to get a better parking spot.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:15:22pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

Folks, spare a microsecond to feel something resembling pity for Devin Nunes, who just discovered that his buddy Jim has decided to shiv him in order to get a better parking spot.

The public hearings are going to be a circus — there is no depth to which the GOP and their base will not sink. Did the Democrats offer too much authority to the Republicans with the Thursday vote?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:16:40pm

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:25:01pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:25:55pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:30:35pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:32:00pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:35:15pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:49:21pm

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

The public hearings are going to be a circus — there is no depth to which the GOP and their base will not sink. Did the Democrats offer too much authority to the Republicans with the Thursday vote?

No
There will be the adults in the room
And the Republicans
It’ll be painfully obvious..spin and fox notwithstanding

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Stanley Sea  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:49:25pm
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:50:53pm
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HypnoToad  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:54:18pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

It was a short story by Isaac Asimov called “The Last Question.”

Back in the eighty’s and ninety’s we did a planetarium show adaptation of that story; it was our most popular one and we brought it back several times over the years.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:55:04pm

re: #278 HypnoToad

Back in the eighty’s and ninety’s we did a planetarium show adaptation of that story; it was our most popular one and we brought it back several times over the years.

Who was “we”?

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:56:20pm
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HypnoToad  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:56:52pm

Mount San Antonio College Planetarium in Southern California. Nice facility; I produced and gave shows there for over thirty years

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 4:58:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:01:45pm

re: #281 HypnoToad

Mount San Antonio College Planetarium in Southern California. Nice facility; I produced and gave shows there for over thirty years

Cool. Big chunks of my street urchin days were spent in Buhl Planetarium on the N side of Pittsburgh. Played tic tac toe against their vacuum tube analog telephone relay mechanical computer, and watched their Foucault pendulum knock over a lot of pegs.

historicpittsburgh.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:01:47pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

From the NYT oped

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I do like Michelle Goldberg but her assertion that Trump “is insecure about Russia’s role in his election” is based on a faulty premise that Trump cares whether Russia manipulated the vote to gain him the White House; his only insecurity is the fear that the truth will come out that Russia intervened directly in voting process. He knows that Russia intervened with their propaganda to support him; he said openly months ago that he didn’t see any problems with getting foreign assistance. Neither he nor any Republican cares if the voting machines are hacked to their benefit.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:04:23pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:06:08pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:10:51pm

re: #280 gocart mozart

Deadline White House

@DeadlineWH
“These are, in today’s Republican party, spineless politicians rotten to the core without virtue, without any level of human integrity, devoid of self respect… Without courage and without the moral compass to recognize their own malevolence” - @DavidJollyFL w/ @NicolleDWallace

Doesn’t that rot encompass practically every member of the GOP in the House and Senate? Which members in the House can be said not to exhibit such cowardice and betrayal? Even Will Hurd, who asks serious questions of witnesses, who has a sterling record prior to serving, and who is retiring from Congress, voted against the impeachment inquiry.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:12:20pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:16:22pm

Centrist Democrats may be worse than Bernie Bros. Cowards.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:20:18pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:26:16pm

re: #285 jaunte

Do it for me cause I’m a coward

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:26:42pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:27:22pm

re: #292 jaunte

Okay, so that’s why I saw that meme on my Facebook feed. Ugh. Fucking jackass.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:27:52pm

He’s evil.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:29:01pm

Hunh, you know how we were talking about Philip E. Johnson, one of the lawyers at the Discovery Institute, who died a couple days back? Another lawyer at the DiscoTute decided to show his stupidity this afternoon:

I don’t take shit from fools.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:29:08pm

Arena full of insane clowns applauds insane clown who doesn’t care if they die if he can collect more money.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:32:31pm

re: #289 Amory Blaine

I beg your pardon?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:35:20pm

re: #297 Dave In Austin

I see many on social media and writing columns wetting their pants that MFA will deliver Trump in 2020.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:36:11pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:36:57pm

re: #298 Amory Blaine

MFA?

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:37:08pm

re: #298 Amory Blaine

I see many on social media and writing columns wetting their pants that MFA will deliver Trump in 2020.

I’m either stupid, tired or both, but what does MFA mean? All I can think of is “Master of Fine Arts.”

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:37:19pm

Medicare for all.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:38:48pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:39:47pm

As John Oliver said at the beginning of this thread we should all vote. In Philly we are voting for Mayor, City Council and Council-at-large, Commissioners, Sheriff, Register of Wills, Judges and Questions. Please take the time to vote. It is very important to pick those who are qualified and not buffoons.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:42:11pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:42:23pm

Losing your house because the mine closed where you’re dying from the black lung you got from thirty-five years of non-union labor and can’t afford health insurance because your governor won’t expand Medicaid to own the libs…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:42:45pm

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:44:07pm

re: #302 Amory Blaine

If you don’t get what you want will you sit the election out?

I’d like to see better planning around it.
I think it’s something to work towards. But there’s not enough on the table now to make me a believer.

That said, I will vote for whoever takes the primary.

And 1 more thing. Calling me names doesn’t serve any of us well
Knock it off

Rant off… Still luv ya.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:49:21pm

On any reasonable spectrum, Warren is a centrist Democrat.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:50:28pm

I’d think after 9 years here that you’d know that I don’t sit out elections because I didn’t get my pony. I have employer provided insurance. M4A is not my pony, it is good for the nation not to have millions of pencil pushers in office buildings gathering profits like nuts for their masters. It is a threat to everyone. Of course, I love you too.

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:53:13pm

re: #295 mmmirele

Hunh, you know how we were talking about Philip E. Johnson, one of the lawyers at the Discovery Institute, who died a couple days back? Another lawyer at the DiscoTute decided to show his stupidity this afternoon:

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I don’t take shit from fools.

Heheh. I preferred Richard Hooker’s “Learned Discourse of Justification” and “Of the Lawes of Ecclesiastical Politie” to the Institutes. But that’s just a bit of light theological reading for me as well.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:55:16pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

On any reasonable spectrum, Warren is a centrist Democrat.

This is America tho…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:58:41pm

re: #310 Amory Blaine

I agree, I have employer insurance myself. I need to know the roll out. How? When? All that stuff other than the preverbal pie in the sky.

My only priority is ridding us of the pestilence that’s rotting us from the inside out. Anything else come second to me right now.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 5:58:57pm

re: #312 Amory Blaine

This is America tho…

If you don’t want to turn the trading floor of the NYSE into a tilapia farm, you’re a centrist.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:01:55pm

I fancy walleye.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:03:54pm

re: #315 Amory Blaine

I fancy walleye.

Nope. Tilapia are hippie nostalgia. Mother Earth News ran endless articles about recovering a hundred pounds a month from a failed oaken hot tub.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:04:19pm

re: #315 Amory Blaine

Not a good commercial fishery. They don’t school.

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:04:46pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

On any reasonable spectrum, Warren is a centrist Democrat.

The “yeah but” there is the word reasonable…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:09:34pm

re: #315 Amory Blaine

I fancy walleye.

Well, the lakes are about to freeze over, so come get some.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:13:23pm

re: #319 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, the lakes are about to freeze over, so come get some.

Everytime I go ice fishing I wind up shirtless and drunk.//

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:13:26pm

Mmmmm. HippieTilapia.

dnainfo.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:15:17pm

re: #320 Amory Blaine

Everytime I go ice fishing I wind up shirtless and drunk.//

I haven’t been yet, so… something to look forward to.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:21:58pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Those would fit nicely by the trading booths.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:24:20pm

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:25:23pm
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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:29:15pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Mmmmm. HippieTilapia.

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dnainfo.com

I’d rather get some of that perch they’re talking about in the article. Makes good fish & chips, almost as good a new england cod.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:30:15pm

re: #326 William Lewis

I’d rather get some of that perch they’re talking about in the article. Makes good fish & chips, almost as good a new england cod.

Tilapia fits right in a taco shell.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:32:08pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Cool. Big chunks of my street urchin days were spent in Buhl Planetarium on the N side of Pittsburgh. Played tic tac toe against their vacuum tube analog telephone relay mechanical computer, and watched their Foucault pendulum knock over a lot of pegs.

historicpittsburgh.org

One of our class trips was to the Buhl sometime in the late 60’s.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:35:02pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Cool. Big chunks of my street urchin days were spent in Buhl Planetarium on the N side of Pittsburgh. Played tic tac toe against their vacuum tube analog telephone relay mechanical computer, and watched their Foucault pendulum knock over a lot of pegs.

historicpittsburgh.org

I remember playing against that Tic Tac Toe machine for an hour and finally learned how to draw against it.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:37:49pm

re: #303 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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They hired enough actors to make a good crowd.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:40:00pm

re: #326 William Lewis

I’d rather get some of that perch they’re talking about in the article. Makes good fish & chips, almost as good a new england cod.

Perch > Walleye > all the other things, so I’ve been taught. Honestly, I’ve been so sheltered that I can’t really tell the difference aside from the effort required to catch.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:40:05pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

There is an old scifi short story (do not recall title or author or the exact plot line) that takes place at the heat death of the universe: the intelligence of all sentient life resides in some type of computer and as the universe dies, the computer restarts it. Probably as realistic a supposition as any!

Isaac Asimov’s “The Last Question”?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:41:44pm

re: #329 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember playing against that Tic Tac Toe machine for an hour and finally learned how to draw against it.

That’s about the best anyone could do. IIRC, it opened with first move. Until I checked tonight, I thought the machine was an early vacuum-tube AC. Article says it was a Bell Labs relay device.

buhlplanetarium.tripod.com

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A Mom Anon  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:43:00pm


Cleo is being a bit of a bitey brat. She’s drawn blood twice and my arm is full of marks and bites and bruises. She’s not being vicious or mean, but she wants to play and it’s outta hand. Anyone with GSD experience who can offer some tips would be welcome. And I still can’t get my pics to sit upright here. Damn it.

In other news, my kid met King Diamond tonight and the King let him hang backstage at The Tabernacle while they were getting ready for their set. They signed all his album covers and CDs too, without VIP or anything . This kid of mine, just when I want to throttle him, he manages to surprise and amaze me. He’s met hundreds of musicians over the last 4 yrs, since he got his own car. His Facebook page is full of photos and stories.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:43:21pm

Crocodile tears

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:45:31pm

re: #326 William Lewis

I’d rather get some of that perch they’re talking about in the article. Makes good fish & chips, almost as good a new england cod.

Yeah perch is good eating. And walleye eat the perch and are good eating too. When out fishing as night is falling and something annoying is hitting your bait. Just small enough to not be able to get the bigger hook into its mouth, you know it is perch moving through. And give it a bit and the walleye will be through following the perch. The hook is just the right size for them :-)

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:45:34pm

re: #329 Joe Bacon 🌹

For me in Philly it was the Franklin Institute. Lots of neat things to do there. fi.edu

My favorite news story that involved the Franklin Institute was many years ago when they had a McDonalds eatery in the museum. They were giving out those brightly colored McDonalland glasses. There was a report that there might be too much lead in the paint used on the glasses. Everyone was waiting for the report from the CDC to come out and it was on a weekend. The Franklin Institute ran a lead test on a set of glasses and did find out that there was a lot of lead in the paint. Every McDonalds in the Greater Delaware Valley stopped selling the glasses before the CDC made its statement.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:49:46pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:50:38pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Tilapia fits right in a taco shell.

Well, that’s a better story than the birds and the bees.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:54:46pm

re: #337 PhillyPretzel

For me in Philly it was the Franklin Institute. Lots of neat things to do there. fi.edu

My favorite news story that involved the Franklin Institute was many years ago when they had a McDonalds eatery in the museum. They were giving out those brightly colored McDonalland glasses. There was a report that there might be too much lead in the paint used on the glasses. Everyone was waiting for the report from the CDC to come out and it was on a weekend. The Franklin Institute ran a lead test on a set of glasses and did find out that there was a lot of lead in the paint. Every McDonalds in the Greater Delaware Valley stopped selling the glasses before the CDC made its statement.

One of the best parts of the Fall trip was Meteor Crater. I knew that the site was in private hands, so I expected something like a roadside alligator zoo. The crater was as advertised, the observatory was great, and the explanatory museum was Smithsonian-quality. (The campground they run, 3 miles away, was the best of the trip.)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:55:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:55:44pm

re: #339 Barefoot Grin

Well, that’s a better story than the birds and the bees.

Not going there.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:57:46pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:58:23pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Only 40% of them are and they all vote every single time.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:59:14pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Shhh, the Bachelor is on.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 6:59:56pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:00:35pm

re: #337 PhillyPretzel

The snack bar at Meteor Crater is a re-purposed Subway, now The Blasted Bistro.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:01:53pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:02:11pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

One of the best parts of the Fall trip was Meteor Crater. I knew that the site was in private hands, so I expected something like a roadside alligator zoo. The crater was as advertised, the observatory was great, and the explanatory museum was Smithsonian-quality. (The campground they run, 3 miles away, was the best of the trip.)

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The Meteor Crater has really been fixed up over the last 45 years. (I’ve never seen a roadside alligator zoo, so the expectation is an unknown.) 45 years ago, you could walk to the bottom (and back). Do they still do that?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:02:46pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:04:41pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:07:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:07:33pm

re: #349 wrenchwench

The Meteor Crater has really been fixed up over the last 45 years. (I’ve never seen a roadside alligator zoo, so the expectation is an unknown.) 45 years ago, you could walk to the bottom (and back). Do they still do that?

Perhaps by special arrangement—the tours offered that day were 1-hour guided-only, along the rim paths. They seem determined to protect the place, and are tied into .gov and .edu worlds. (Winds were 40-50 MPH that day. We took the New Hampshire painted rock we found in OK and released it on the railing at the crater. It was gone in 20 minutes.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:10:16pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:11:54pm

re: #353 Decatur Deb

That rock gets around. Some geologist of the future may have bewilderment.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:13:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:14:02pm

re: #348 gocart mozart

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The narrative seems to be accuse Biden exactly of what Trump’s own family is actually doing.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:14:38pm

re: #355 wrenchwench

That rock gets around. Some geologist of the future may have bewilderment.

I once found a very nice piece of eastern PA anthracite coal on the edge of a quarry in western NY state. I was visiting the quarry with a group of geology students at the time as well.

:)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:15:44pm

re: #343 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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They’re also in some places lying about their records and stances on gun control. The true believers like Corey Stewart are pissed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:16:29pm

re: #355 wrenchwench

That rock gets around. Some geologist of the future may have bewilderment.

We photographed it at the Canyon and a balloon launch, sent the photos back to the NH Facebook page.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:17:13pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:20:57pm

Trump friend on Facebook (where else?).

… let’s hear from the whistle blower. He/she has no right to anonymity.

The entire point of the law is to protect a whistleblower’s anonymity!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:28:48pm
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sagehen  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:30:11pm

re: #354 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The costume designers at that show really really hate Republican politician contestants.

They were every bit as cruel to Rick Perry and Tom Delay.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:32:43pm

Trivia: The foot in Monty Python came from the bottom left corner of the painting “Venus, Cupid, Folly and Time” by Agnolo Bronzino virtualglobetrotting.com:

The foot
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:32:54pm
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sagehen  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:35:12pm

re: #363 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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To this day, I can remember verbatim the lede to NYT’s coverage.

“Here is how it looks from far away: tens of millions of white Christians, voting freely, chose as their leader a black man of modest origins, the son of a Muslim. There is a place in this world, call it America, where such a thing can happen.”

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:35:54pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:38:08pm

re: #367 sagehen

To this day, I can remember verbatim the lede to NYT’s coverage.

“Here is how it looks from far away: tens of millions of white Christians, voting freely, chose as their leader a black man of modest origins, the son of a Muslim. There is a place in this world, call it America, where such a thing can happen.”

Still true, once we correct a slight over-steer.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:38:50pm
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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:39:20pm
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Belafon  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:39:56pm

(Last one for now):

Here’s your cute overload picture:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:41:04pm

re: #334 A Mom Anon

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Cleo is being a bit of a bitey brat. She’s drawn blood twice and my arm is full of marks and bites and bruises. She’s not being vicious or mean, but she wants to play and it’s outta hand. Anyone with GSD experience who can offer some tips would be welcome. And I still can’t get my pics to sit upright here. Damn it.in other news, my kid met King Diamond tonight and the King let him hang backstage at The Tabernacle while they were getting ready for their set. They signed all his album covers and CDs too, without VIP or anything . This kid of mine, just when I want to throttle him, he manages to surprise and amaze me. He’s met hundreds of musicians over the last 4 yrs, since he got his own car. His Facebook page is full of photos and stories.

Obedience class, STAT. You need to know how to control her. You have to be the alpha. An obedience class will fix you both right up, give you the road you need to train her Anna help her understand that YOU’re the alpha bitch in the house.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:45:16pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:46:03pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Maybe that’s why the Senate tries the case.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:55:01pm

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Mattand  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:55:33pm

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump admin. warns publisher about soon-to-be-published insider book by ‘Anonymous’ author who is purportedly a senior Trump admin. official.

Fuck this book and its author(s). Never Trumpers who are absolutely fine with every horrible policy Trump and the GOP want to accomplish, just upset that they’re being out in the open with the evil.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:56:36pm

re: #348 gocart mozart

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Mattand  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:56:59pm

Also fuck the Daily Beast for pushing the “Dems in disarray” narrative, because God forbid, we don’t have any American media site that doesn’t have its head rammed up the Magic Balance Fairy’s ass.

So, how are you folks doing?

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Mattand  Nov 4, 2019 • 7:58:26pm

re: #378 Joe Bacon 🌹

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LOL, gotta love that the title of the cork board is a question, so they literally can say “We never outright said the Bidens are a crime family, we’re just merely asking a question.”

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calochortus  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:00:35pm

re: #376 The Pie Overlord!

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:01:06pm

Always griftin’

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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:10:43pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

Hee hee, in the replies

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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:16:38pm

re: #320 Amory Blaine

Everytime I go ice fishing I wind up shirtless and drunk.//

For no particular reason I was reminded of this song. Probably not safe for work.

Ceann - Pittsburgh Makes Me Drunk

Pittsburgh Makes Me Drunk

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:20:50pm

re: #362 Ace Rothstein

It’s astonishing how ignorant the American public is about pretty much everything.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:27:29pm

re: #384 ckkatz

For no particular reason I was reminded of this song. Probably not safe for work.

Ceann - Pittsburgh Makes Me Drunk

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Video

New band—a couple sound good.

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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:30:35pm

re: #373 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Obedience class, STAT. You need to know how to control her. You have to be the alpha. An obedience class will fix you both right up, give you the road you need to train her Anna help her understand that YOU’re the alpha bitch in the house.

My next door neighbor was really interested in getting German Shepherds about 15 years ago. So she did research, identified contacts, and worked with a breeder. She ended up adopting three from various places and of differing ages. When they passed due to age, she adopted 3 more.

She mentioned that the obedience classes were extremely important. Not only for her to relate to her dogs, but also to ensure that the doggos were well behaved towards others. (Such as neighbors, like me, and passersby.) And yes, she is the undisputed alpha. I have never seen any of the puppers ever challenge her.

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:33:28pm

:D

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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:35:06pm

re: #386 Decatur Deb

I probably shouldn’t admit that I remember The Jaggerz. Back before national bands wiped out local music scenes.

JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ

JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ

I am still trying to place one local group from back in the early 1960’s. The little I remember from over half a century ago is the refrain “On the Southside of Pittsburgh”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:41:42pm

re: #389 ckkatz

I probably shouldn’t admit that I remember The Jaggerz. Back before national bands wiped out local music scenes.

JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ

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I am still trying to place one local group from back in the early 1960’s. The little I remember from over half a century ago is the refrain “On the Southside of Pittsburgh”.

Can’t help. By then I had boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:43:56pm

My dog hates the time change. He is not at all pleased with his morning walk happening an hour later, and don’t get him started on the dinnertime delay debacle.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:44:12pm

re: #343 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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The VA GOP are scared shitless about tomorrow, because the entire General Assembly is going to the polls and there’s a very real chance that this time tomorrow night, we’ll be celebrating the end of Republican rule of this state for the first time in decades.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:44:37pm

re: #302 Amory Blaine

Medicare for all.

re: #298 Amory Blaine

I see many on social media and writing columns wetting their pants that MFA will deliver Trump in 2020.

Effing let them wring hands until blisters form. Nobody should shrink from the big ask when the heart of our soul as a nation is in question. Sorry to yell but this is a time to step up, unapologetic. Go big.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:46:23pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:52:45pm

re: #389 ckkatz

I probably shouldn’t admit that I remember The Jaggerz. Back before national bands wiped out local music scenes.

JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ

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Video

I am still trying to place one local group from back in the early 1960’s. The little I remember from over half a century ago is the refrain “On the Southside of Pittsburgh”.

That’s such a cool song. The fuzz bass, harmonies, handclaps & cowbell on the chorus… One of my faves from that time.

My first real drum set was the same Rogers kit as in that picture, except mine had a blue and black zig-zag swirl finish (I can’t remember what they called it). Traded it in for a more hard rock Slingerland kit in the early and mid 70’s. I still have those.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:55:41pm

re: #389 ckkatz

I probably shouldn’t admit that I remember The Jaggerz. Back before national bands wiped out local music scenes.

JAGGERZ The Rapper 1 9 7 0 HQ

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I am still trying to place one local group from back in the early 1960’s. The little I remember from over half a century ago is the refrain “On the Southside of Pittsburgh”.

The Jaggerz from Ambridge PA…along with another native…Lou Christie…and Donnie Iris…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:58:44pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:58:59pm

So experts are claiming that the ruling on Trump’s tax returns is so narrowly drawn, it is not likely to be reversed and SCOTUS should refuse even to hear the case. But I don’t have any confidence in the current GOP appointed justices.

Katzmann grounded Monday’s ruling in the 1974 landmark decision in United States v. Nixon, which declared the president cannot be shielded from a criminal investigation. But what is to prevent this court from overruling the 1974 case and adopting the Barr position that the President is immune from investigation as long as they remain in office? IANAL but perhaps one of our legal lizards can reassure me that this SC has some modicum of ethics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 4, 2019 • 8:59:14pm

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:01:47pm

re: #396 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Jaggerz from Ambridge PA…along with another native…Lou Christie…and Donnie Iris…

Lou Christie…. Wow! Iirc, this one got a lot of local airplay on AM Radio:

Lou Christie - Lightnin’ Strikes

Lou Christie - Lightnin’ Strikes

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Dread Pirate  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:07:06pm
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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:07:43pm

re: #395 stpaulbear

That’s such a cool song. The fuzz bass, harmonies, handclaps & cowbell on the chorus… One of my faves from that time.

My first real drum set was the same Rogers kit as in that picture, except mine had a blue and black zig-zag swirl finish (I can’t remember what they called it). Traded it in for a more hard rock Slingerland kit in the early and mid 70’s. I still have those.

My parents were unenthusiastic with the concept of me learning drums. The end result was I hauled a cello around for a while before losing interest in carrying it to and from school. A female cousin did persevere learning the drums and, I am told, ended up carrying the bass drums in the University of Michigan marching band back in the 1970’s.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:08:40pm

re: #398 Hecuba’s daughter

So experts are claiming that the ruling on Trump’s tax returns is so narrowly drawn, it is not likely to be reversed and SCOTUS should refuse even to hear the case. But I don’t have any confidence in the current GOP appointed justices.

Katzmann grounded Monday’s ruling in the 1974 landmark decision in United States v. Nixon, which declared the president cannot be shielded from a criminal investigation. But what is to prevent this court from overruling the 1974 case and adopting the Barr position that the President is immune from investigation as long as they remain in office? IANAL but perhaps one of our legal lizards can reassure me that this SC has some modicum of ethics.

I very much doubt the ruling will be overturned, just because Roberts seems pretty sick of Trump’s shit and wouldn’t go for it. My fear is that it only takes four Justices to hear the case, which would slow things down and possibly delay a final ruling until after the election. I can definitely see Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas going that route.

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stpaulbear  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:11:59pm

re: #395 stpaulbear

That’s such a cool song. The fuzz bass, harmonies, handclaps & cowbell on the chorus… One of my faves from that time.

My first real drum set was the same Rogers kit as in that picture, except mine had a blue and black zig-zag swirl finish (I can’t remember what they called it). Traded it in for a more hard rock Slingerland kit in the early and mid 70’s. I still have those.

Found a picture of the ‘Onyx Blue’ first real drum set I kind of roped my dad into buying for me in 1969.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:12:21pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

I very much doubt the ruling will be overturned, just because Roberts seems pretty sick of Trump’s shit and wouldn’t go for it. My fear is that it only takes four Justices to hear the case, which would slow things down and possibly delay a final ruling until after the election. I can definitely see Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas going that route.

And I could totally see them going that route, figuring that the ruling won’t really matter either way.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:18:25pm

re: #405 Targetpractice

And I could totally see them going that route, figuring that the ruling won’t really matter either way.

If they do try hearing it as a stalling tactic I could see Roberts siding with the four liberal Justices to immediately fast track the case and get it over with ASAP. Yes, he’s a shit head, but a shit head with a long term view towards not seeing the Court further delegitimized by stunts like this.

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stpaulbear  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:20:25pm

re: #402 ckkatz

My parents were unenthusiastic with the concept of me learning drums. The end result was I hauled a cello around for a while before losing interest in carrying it to and from school. A female cousin did persevere learning the drums and, I am told, ended up carrying the bass drums in the University of Michigan marching band back in the 1970’s.

I learned how to play in the junior high and senior high bands. The only time we marched was during homecoming football games. I learned how to play the drum kit by stacking 45’s on a record player and playing along with them (songs like ‘Incense and Peppermints’ by the Strawberry Alarm Clock). I was always pretty song oriented and wasn’t really interested in soloing.

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ckkatz  Nov 4, 2019 • 9:24:51pm

re: #407 stpaulbear

Cool drum set! Did you use cymbals with it?

You showed a lot more determination than I did. And it sounds like you had a bunch of fun with it.

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uriel  Nov 4, 2019 • 11:15:14pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

God damn it.

That’s all I got.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:47:17am

re: #269 Stanley Sea

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