Colbert Talks Impeachment With Sen. Sherrod Brown: Those Who Embolden Trump “Will Not Look Good in History” [VIDEO]

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The senior Senator from Ohio, author of the new book “Desk 88,” says that the most disappointing thing he has seen in his 13 years in the Senate is watching Republicans embolden Trump at the expense of the country. #Colbert #LSSC #Comedy

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:28:26am

I vastly prefer Colbert’s interviews to absolutely anything that passes for an interview on CNN.

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dirkdigglerjr  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:31:50am

Posted on the previous thread only to then realize a new one had started…

Here in NC, I was the first person to vote in my municipal precinct at almost 8 a.m. The polls open at 6:30, but there are no contested races in my municipality. Nevertheless, the poll workers could not get my voter affirmation sheet to print out for nearly 10 minutes.

Also the NC Board of Elections site to look up where to vote and get a sample ballot for your area crashed this morning when staff made a configuration error in the software in anticipation of higher search activity today. This does not bode well for 2020, especially with voter ID scheduled to kick in.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:36:56am

I’ve been thinking about what a single payer health insurance system would look like, and in particular, how it would effect the mismash of a system we have now. Some of the things I have wondered about that haven’t been addressed by the candidates (at least not that I’ve seen):

1. Is it safe to assume that this will eliminate medicaid?
2. Will there still be a need for workers compensation?
3. What effect does this have on other insurance policies - say auto insurance that many states require coverage for personal injuries or commercial general liability insurance? Will Medicare have subrogation rights? (This could be the greatest form of tort reform imaginable, depending on how this question is answered)
4. Does the VA remain a separate system?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:40:39am

re: #2 dirkdigglerjr

Also the NC Board of Elections site to look up where to vote and get a sample ballot for your area crashed this morning when staff made a configuration error in the software in anticipation of higher search activity today. This does not bode well for 2020, especially with voter ID scheduled to kick in.

If the GOP starts to realize that they are not likely to win, they will do everything they can to delegitimize the outcome so they can complain about it for the next four to eight years…

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:42:22am
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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:44:38am

re: #2 dirkdigglerjr

Posted on the previous thread only to then realize a new one had started…

Here in NC, I was the first person to vote in my municipal precinct at almost 8 a.m. The polls open at 6:30, but there are no contested races in my municipality. Nevertheless, the poll workers could not get my voter affirmation sheet to print out for nearly 10 minutes.

Also the NC Board of Elections site to look up where to vote and get a sample ballot for your area crashed this morning when staff made a configuration error in the software in anticipation of higher search activity today. This does not bode well for 2020, especially with voter ID scheduled to kick in.

We have a new voting system in Travis County. Enter your votes, get a print-out of your votes, put it in the hard-copy reader, pick up your I Voted sticker and you are done. Nice having hard copies again!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:45:26am

re: #3 KGxvi

I’ve been thinking about what a single payer health insurance system would look like, and in particular, how it would effect the mismash of a system we have now. Some of the things I have wondered about that haven’t been addressed by the candidates (at least not that I’ve seen):

1. Is it safe to assume that this will eliminate medicaid?
2. Will there still be a need for workers compensation?
3. What effect does this have on other insurance policies - say auto insurance that many states require coverage for personal injuries or commercial general liability insurance? Will Medicare have subrogation rights? (This could be the greatest form of tort reform imaginable, depending on how this question is answered)
4. Does the VA remain a separate system?

Couple thoughts:

There are probably a couple dozen federal medical care/payment systems that could be consolidated.

None of it has to happen simultaneously—the ultimate program can be “grown” from existing programs as resources permit.

The system needn’t be pure—there can still be a role for cadillac care for those who insist on paying.

Insurance doesn’t disappear completely. Wife and I are on Medicare, but still maintain a good bit of our employment-based insurance to cover gaps.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:47:07am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:47:13am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:47:24am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I vastly prefer Colbert’s interviews to absolutely anything that passes for an interview on CNN.

Very Dick Cavett like imo. I remember there was some doubt he could transition from his character. He’s really good at balancing comedy and serious.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:47:33am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:47:41am

Posted this 5 years ago. Not much has changed other than some of the GOP’s designated villains, with whole classes of people being demonized along with designated individual devils like Pelosi.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:48:44am

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Couple thoughts:

There are probably a couple dozen federal medical care/payment systems that could be consolidated.

None of it has to happen simultaneously—the ultimate program can be “grown” from existing programs as resources permit.

The system needn’t be pure—there can still be a role for cadillac care for those who insist on paying.

Insurance doesn’t disappear completely. Wife and I are on Medicare, but still maintain a good bit of our employment-based insurance to cover gaps.

I get that, I’m just wondering why we would need something like workers compensation for on the job injuries if we’ve got a single payer system? And likewise, is there a need for non-health insurance policies to provide coverage for medical costs if, again, we’ve got a single payer system that, at least in theory, is going to cover those costs? (I can imagine a system where some form of those thing exist to cover damage due to missed work/income and/or pain and suffering, but speaking from experience, the vast majority of damages in personal injury cases is almost always medical costs)

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:50:25am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Posted this 5 years ago. Not much has changed other than some of the GOP’s designated villains, with whole classes of people being demonized along with designated individual devils like Pelosi.

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Yeah, and the younguns don’t use Facebook.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:50:46am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Posted this 5 years ago. Not much has changed other than some of the GOP’s designated villains, with whole classes of people being demonized along with designated individual devils like Pelosi.

Presidential elections get higher turnouts and I think that this time people are not going to be as apathetic and indifferent as last time. And Trump has managed to alienate at least a share of his Fundamentalist Christian base. Not enough to get them to vote for baby-killing Democrats, but perhaps enough to depress their turnout a bit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:51:03am

re: #3 KGxvi

I’ve been thinking about what a single payer health insurance system would look like, and in particular, how it would effect the mismash of a system we have now. Some of the things I have wondered about that haven’t been addressed by the candidates (at least not that I’ve seen):

1. Is it safe to assume that this will eliminate medicaid?
2. Will there still be a need for workers compensation?
3. What effect does this have on other insurance policies - say auto insurance that many states require coverage for personal injuries or commercial general liability insurance? Will Medicare have subrogation rights? (This could be the greatest form of tort reform imaginable, depending on how this question is answered)
4. Does the VA remain a separate system?

Here are the answers to your questions using the Canadian system as an example.

1. Yes. With nationwide single payer there is no need for medicaid. However, supplementary plans could be offered in the open market to supplement things single payer doesn’t cover.
2. Yes. Workmans comp is meant to cover more than just medical costs and it does exist in Canada.
3. Can’t say for sure but again, there are other countries who have figured this out and could be used as a model. For what it’s worth, I haven’t noticed drastic differences in how insurance (aside from health insurance) works in one country vs. the other.
4. Most likely yes, again probably by way of providing veterans access to services and such that Medicaid/Medicare/single payer doesn’t cover.

Also, in a single payer system, there can still be a marketplace for extra insurance for those who want it. This kind of hybrid system is, I believe, the best compromise that can be made with regards to health care: Everyone is guaranteed certain basics, but if you have money and want to get extra coverage, so be it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:51:15am

re: #13 KGxvi

I get that, I’m just wondering why we would need something like workers compensation for on the job injuries if we’ve got a single payer system? And likewise, is there a need for non-health insurance policies to provide coverage for medical costs if, again, we’ve got a single payer system that, at least in theory, is going to cover those costs? (I can imagine a system where some form of those thing exist to cover damage due to missed work/income and/or pain and suffering, but speaking from experience, the vast majority of damages in personal injury cases is almost always medical costs)

A lot of Workmens’ Comp is not for medical care, though—things like the calculated number of months pay for a “scheduled award” when your dick is caught in a lathe. That and dying, of course.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:51:52am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

‘Xactly.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:53:55am
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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:55:54am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #17 Decatur Deb

Good points, and thanks for the insight.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:56:33am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Posted this 5 years ago. Not much has changed other than some of the GOP’s designated villains, with whole classes of people being demonized along with designated individual devils like Pelosi.

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33% turnout at my precinct today. Even passed by my local delegate without realizing it since I had no desire to take a Republican sample ballot though my Dad likes to toy with them by taking it and I then give him the Dem one. Voted a straight Dem ticket. Our ballot ticket is truly representative of Loudoun County and its values. I’ve actually met four of the candidates.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:56:45am

The Workmens’ Comp discussion is also complicated by the states’ role. Between the 50-some states, the fed system, and industry-specific systems like railway and seafaring, veterans, etc there could be a hundred sets of rules in play.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:59:26am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:00:46am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

A lot of Workmans’ Comp is not for medical care, though—things like the calculated number of months pay for a “scheduled award” when your dick is caught in a lathe. That and dying, of course.

Yep — it includes monthly disability benefits and death benefits — neither of which are covered by medical insurance

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:02:39am

You guys seen this?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:04:27am

re: #24 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep — it includes monthly disability benefits and death benefits — neither of which are covered by medical insurance

Whole bunch of other moving parts—A lot of the study Wife and I had to do to be Obamacare volunteers involved the interface with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They have a separate medical system, sometimes governed by treaty.

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dirkdigglerjr  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:08:44am

re: #6 austin_blue

That seems like a much more efficient - and vastly more secure - system.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:10:53am

re: #19 jaunte

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If you forgive me all this
If I forgive you all that
We forgive and forget and it’s all coming back to me
Now

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:11:23am
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:11:31am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:13:06am

re: #5 Stanley Sea

Well, that should pretty much do it.

At this point, their last line of defense is, “Well yeah, we had an explicit quid pro quo, but everybody does it, this is how politics work you noobs, get over it, SQUIRREL!”

Wonder if the Kashoggi story is going to be the next one to break?

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:13:47am

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

We go now to the RNC:

Bender Shit Bricks [720p]

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:15:08am

Weasel.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:15:30am

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

BREAKING: Roger Stone has left courthouse early on the 1st day of his trial, complaining of food poisoning. He was clutching a Gatorade bottle as he left the courtroom w/his wife and daughter. Jury selection continues.

Stone put Ipecac (or Exlax or some such) in that Gatorade.

Guaranteed.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:16:12am

re: #27 dirkdigglerjr

That seems like a much more efficient - and vastly more secure - system.

It is! Pretty much un-hackable, too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:19:46am

re: #31 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, that should pretty much do it.

At this point, their last line of defense is, “Well yeah, we had an explicit quid pro quo, but everybody does it, this is how politics work you noobs, get over it, SQUIRREL!”

Wonder if the Kashoggi story is going to be the next one to break?

Lordy, I hope there are tapes! (or at least transcripts!)

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:20:09am

re: #34 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Stone put Ipecac (or Exlax or some such) in that Gatorade.

Guaranteed.

Nah, he’s just looking across the aisle at a US Attorney who has (probably) a conviction rate north of 95%.

In the United States federal court system, the conviction rate rose from approximately 75 percent to approximately 85% between 1972 and 1992. For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate.

I’m guessing they put an A-lister on this case.

Stone is realizing that he has less than a 1 in 20 chance of avoiding jail, and that Trumpy may not be in office to give him his pardon.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:21:16am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

A lot of Workmens’ Comp is not for medical care, though—things like the calculated number of months pay for a “scheduled award” when your dick is caught in a lathe. That and dying, of course.

i once heard about a case where a guy working in a deli stuck his dick in a pickle slicer
they fired him
fired the pickle slicer too

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:21:34am

re: #37 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Nah, he’s just looking across the aisle at a US Attorney who has (probably) a conviction rate north of 95%.

I’m guessing they put an A-lister on this case.

Stone is realizing that he has less than a 1 in 20 chance of avoiding jail, and that Trumpy may not be in office to give him his pardon.

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving asshole.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:22:51am

re: #25 makeitstop

You guys seen this?

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Installed!
right there with
- make american kittens again
- make trump tweets eight again

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:25:09am

re: #31 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, that should pretty much do it.

At this point, their last line of defense is, “Well yeah, we had an explicit quid pro quo, but everybody does it, this is how politics work you noobs, get over it, SQUIRREL!”

Wonder if the Kashoggi story is going to be the next one to break?

Republicans have already said just that…quid pro quo is how you get things done and it’s always been that way.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:26:11am
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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:26:48am

I’m heading out to vote and have lunch in a few minutes. Voter turnout in St. Paul today will probably pretty high due to (irony of ironies) garbage issues.

Last year, a city-wide garbage pick-up plan was put in place so that we didn’t have a dozen separate collection companies on the streets every day. In theory, it’s a great policy but the city made some heavy-handed mistakes in implementing the plan (people can’t double-up on service with a neighbor, a four-plex is treated as four separate addresses so they have to find room for four trash bins and four recycling bins with direct alley access), and there has been a lot of really bad customer service from the providers.

A petition drive got removal of the city-wide service on the ballot as an initiative. The city has been fighting it because even if we vote to remove it, the city is stuck with the five-year contract for garbage service. It will be very expensive for the city (and therefore us) if it’s voted down.

Other votes are for a city council and school board members. MN has always focused on well-run elections, even when we had that super-close vote between Al Franken and Norm Coleman. I believe the whole state uses paper ballots.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:27:13am

re: #41 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Republicans have already said just that…quid pro quo is how you get things done and it’s always been that way.

“A President determines how foreign policy is to be conducted”

+

“A sitting President cannot be investigated”

=

“He can break the law with impunity and you can’t do bloody fuck about it!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:27:52am

re: #42 Dread Pirate

Trump offers Putin aid to fight forest fires while threatening to withhold aid from California. Like a traitor.

Siberia did more to help get him elected than California ever did…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:28:18am

re: #31 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, that should pretty much do it.

At this point, their last line of defense is, “Well yeah, we had an explicit quid pro quo*, but everybody does it**, this is how politics work you noobs, get over it, SQUIRREL!”

Wonder if the Kashoggi story is going to be the next one to break?

* withholding congressionally allocated tax money
** for personal political gain????

and if that’s all true, then why hide it? sure, then else it would have been pointless. why now?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:29:47am

re: #33 jaunte

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Weasel.

was it worth the $1,000,000 bribe, er contribution to get the ambassador gig?
your legal bills are gonna be, well…wow

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:29:48am

re: #38 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i once heard about a case where a guy working in a deli stuck his dick in a pickle slicer
they fired him
fired the pickle slicer too

The scheduled award in the Fed OWCP system for compensable dicklessness is essentially 205 weeks of base pay. Balls extra.

theowcpclassroom.blogspot.com

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:31:05am

Truth

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:31:28am

re: #19 jaunte

Matthew Miller

@matthewamiller
Helluva thing for Sondland to have forgotten in his first appearance.

Is getting caught being a traitor worth a million dollars, buddy?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:31:48am

re: #39 austin_blue

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving asshole.

if i could serve time in the barrel
the first think that i’d like to do…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:32:22am

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Truth

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Yep.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:33:11am

re: #41 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Republicans have already said just that…quid pro quo is how you get things done and it’s always been that way.

im pretty sure if it’s outright extortion or bribery then no, its now how to get things done

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:33:49am

re: #51 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

if i could serve time in the barrel
the first think that i’d like to do…

Cheeky monkey…

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:36:18am

And no matter what Sondland admits to doing, and what he states Trump did, the GOP will continue to act as though no crimes were committed, and the only crimes were done by Schiff and the Democrats who exposed Trump’s crimes. That’s why they’re focused so intently on the whistleblower and the testimony and the identity - because they want to smear the whistleblower even as we are so far past that and all the evidence corroborates what Trump initially stated in public on video - that Trump withheld military aid unless Ukraine investigated the Bidens as a favor to Trump personally.

It’s extortion/bribery - and impeachable conduct from the top on down.

The GOP wont care, and they think they can bluster and bulkshit their way through the next year.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:36:24am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The scheduled award in the Fed OWCP system for compensable dicklessness is essentially 205 weeks of base pay. Balls extra.

theowcpclassroom.blogspot.com

im guessing the pickle slicer doesnt have a claim

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:36:56am

re: #50 stpaulbear

Is getting caught being a traitor worth a million dollars, buddy?

gmta

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:37:42am

There are about 350K tweets about “EpsteinCoverup” by ABC. But when I see that about 330K are by Mike Cernovich promoting a Project Veritas hit, I know it’s better to reserve any judgment.

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:38:37am

Good on ya, Paypal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:39:28am

re: #59 makeitstop

Good on ya, Paypal.

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Good. Molyneaux is a bigoted fuck weasel.

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:41:15am

re: #58 Barefoot Grin

Drudge was touting that - that there was supposedly video showing that ABC spiked stories related to Epstein’s criminal acts, along with Bill Clinton, and that O’Keefe got the video.

Curious though that no one seems to recall that Trump actually got his buddy at National Enquirer to catch and kill every bad story about Trump’s affairs, sex predatory behaviors, sex assaults, etc., and that the Enquirer aided Trump at every turn, even as Trump was caught lying on FEC records about how those payments were made via Cohen.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:41:52am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The scheduled award in the Fed OWCP system for compensable dicklessness is essentially 205 weeks of base pay. Balls extra.

theowcpclassroom.blogspot.com

Then there’s the butcher who backed into a meat grinder and got a little behind in his work…

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:43:59am

re: #61 lawhawk

Drudge was touting that - that there was supposedly video showing that ABC spiked stories related to Epstein’s criminal acts, along with Bill Clinton, and that O’Keefe got the video.

Curious though that no one seems to recall that Trump actually got his buddy at National Enquirer to catch and kill every bad story about Trump’s affairs, sex predatory behaviors, sex assaults, etc., and that the Enquirer aided Trump at every turn, even as Trump was caught lying on FEC records about how those payments were made via Cohen.

There is an entire thread of corruption that needs to be teased out hiding in plain sight, there. I think that the tax records that show the hush money payments in black and white will help.

But more than anything else, we are going to need spectacle on TV. Witnesses cringing under the bright lights. People in the gallery gasping and going “Woooooaahhh” as questions are answered.

The impeachment needs to be like an episode of Law & Order, or it’s not going to hold Dumbass America’s attention for very long.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:44:24am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:44:33am

re: #61 lawhawk

Drudge was touting that - that there was supposedly video showing that ABC spiked stories related to Epstein’s criminal acts, along with Bill Clinton, and that O’Keefe got the video.

Curious though that no one seems to recall that Trump actually got his buddy at National Enquirer to catch and kill every bad story about Trump’s affairs, sex predatory behaviors, sex assaults, etc., and that the Enquirer aided Trump at every turn, even as Trump was caught lying on FEC records about how those payments were made via Cohen.

They know how the pedophilia angle riles up the loons. Anyone personally named should be concerned for his/her safety.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:50:05am
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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:51:39am
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:52:19am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:52:31am

re: #67 lawhawk

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Well we have the line of succession for a reason.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:53:37am
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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:54:41am

re: #67 lawhawk

Pelosi won’t be president. If this goes worst case scenario for the GOP there will be a meeting that never happened among leadership, the Senate will vote to remove and bar Trump from future office, Pence will become president and immediately announce that he will not seek the presidency in 2020 and within ten minutes of that Cruz/Paul/Rubio/Romney will be announcing their candidacies.

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ckkatz  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:55:35am

Back from voting in sunny and warm Virginia.

Observations -
The Democratic recommended ballot was blue, that of the Republicans was red. Beyond the geezers who were voting Republican, (Nota bene: more of us geezers voted Democratic!) there were a number of white women in their 20’s and 30’s who were also carrying the red Republican recommend ballot. That surprised me as this is a fairly blue precinct.

The Democratic VA State House of Delegates candidate was running unopposed.

The Republican running for County Attorney had tv ad’s trying to paint himself as a Democrat. And trying to claim that his Democratic opponent did not have support of the Democratic Party. I have heard that this was a strategy used by several Virginia Republican candidates.

The attendance in early afternoon was fairly light. I did not have to wait for any of the stations.

Va ballots are fill in the bubble paper ballots and then input into the scanner. The voter is asked to input it into the scanner as a reassurance step.

I did have to mention to the guy passing out the ‘I voted’ stickers: “Where else can you tell people to take ‘em and stick ‘em?”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:56:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:56:35am

re: #71 KGxvi

Pelosi won’t be president. If this goes worst case scenario for the GOP there will be a meeting that never happened among leadership, the Senate will vote to remove and bar Trump from future office, Pence will become president and immediately announce that he will not seek the presidency in 2020 and within ten minutes of that Cruz/Paul/Rubio/Romney will be announcing their candidacies.

Unless Pence gets impeached as well, but he has managed to keep a low profile in all this shitstorm.

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:57:00am

re: #47 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

was it worth the $1,000,000 bribe, er contribution to get the ambassador gig?
your legal bills are gonna be, well…wow

I’m going to be very happy when Pompeo is in the same grovelling spot as Sondland.

Pompeo already knows that we all know he’s lied about everything, but he’s still so smug about it that he doesn’t care. He thinks he has the money and power to cruise above it all. I really want to see him trashed.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:58:16am
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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:58:45am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unless Pence gets impeached as well, but he has managed to keep a low profile in all this shitstorm.

Barring a live boy/dead girl scenario with Pence, I don’t think he get removed. We’ve never even removed a president via impeachment, to remove a president and vice president in one swing would probably be too much even for the most ardent among us.

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:02:35pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:02:52pm

re: #77 KGxvi

Barring a live boy/dead girl scenario with Pence, I don’t think he get removed. We’ve never even removed a president via impeachment, to remove a president and vice president in one swing would probably be too much even for the most ardent among us.

At which point the Fundamentalist Christian Right, which was used and tossed aside by Reagan and terribly disappointed by Dubya, will finally have reached its goal of getting their man into the highest office in the land to start turning this country into the kind of theocracy they have always dreamed of…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:03:18pm

Donnies really feeling the walls closing in now…

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:03:40pm
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ckkatz  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:04:17pm

re: #3 KGxvi

I’ve been thinking about what a single payer health insurance system would look like, and in particular, how it would effect the mismash of a system we have now. Some of the things I have wondered about that haven’t been addressed by the candidates (at least not that I’ve seen):

1. Is it safe to assume that this will eliminate medicaid?
2. Will there still be a need for workers compensation?
3. What effect does this have on other insurance policies - say auto insurance that many states require coverage for personal injuries or commercial general liability insurance? Will Medicare have subrogation rights? (This could be the greatest form of tort reform imaginable, depending on how this question is answered)
4. Does the VA remain a separate system?

I agree that a major portion (1/4th?) of the US economy is predicated upon the current system. And a lot of legal and cultural framework is also based upon it. Any change is going to stir up major concerns by folks whose career and financial well being is dependent upon the current system.

I do think that there are lots of benefits to the concept of m4a (Medicare for all). But it appears to me that the issue is so complex that unless someone can _successfully_ cut the Gordion knot, it is going to take a long time to work out.

I think that a lot of the current criticism about m4a is that this will stir up the fears of a major population segment of the country. If the priority is to get rid of Trump, m4a is going to be a major, possibly fatal, distraction.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:04:47pm

re: #71 KGxvi

Pelosi won’t be president. If this goes worst case scenario for the GOP there will be a meeting that never happened among leadership, the Senate will vote to remove and bar Trump from future office, Pence will become president and immediately announce that he will not seek the presidency in 2020 and within ten minutes of that Cruz/Paul/Rubio/Romney will be announcing their candidacies.

I think that’s pretty much exactly how it’d go down - bear in mind that such a scenario is basically a doomsday scenario for the GOP….the absolute last-ditch Hail Mary.

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:04:49pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

If only…

Trump’s busy railing against everyone while his toadys are busy telling him what he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear.

The testimony, which the GOP had demanded just hours earlier, is now showing itself to be as damning as Democrats had been saying - it shows Trump engaged in felony conduct, and the GOP keeps moving goalposts and spinning furiously even as every new tidbit from the testimony shows how deep the criminal conspiracy goes - all of Trumpworld’s top advisers are implicated from Trump, Pence, Pompeo, on down.

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ckkatz  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:06:29pm

re: #68 jaunte

What’s the old saying..
He always does the right thing; After being cornered like a trapped rat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:06:38pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

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Gordon Sonland to the underside of Trump’s bus. I repeat Gordon Sondland to the underside of Trumps bus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:07:09pm

Really, it’s just “Put up a picture of everyone we hate, and connect them with yarn”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:07:26pm

re: #77 KGxvi

Barring a live boy/dead girl scenario with Pence, I don’t think he get removed. We’ve never even removed a president via impeachment, to remove a president and vice president in one swing would probably be too much even for the most ardent among us.

But we did have a VP unexpectedly resign in disgrace, followed by the appointment of an acceptable VP, followed by the resignation of the President before he could be impeached. So we do have those historical events in the living memory of many Americans.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:08:10pm

Amazing what an attack on a Saudi oil facility can achieve.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:08:41pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Really, it’s just “Put up a picture of everyone we hate, and connect them with yarn”

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Soros had an orthodontist appointment on Picture Day.

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:08:44pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

But is it really a conspiracy if it misses both Soros and Clinton?

That’s a half assed Fox conspiracy.

Even they can’t believe the baffling BS they’re spewing these days.

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aatharuv  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:09:21pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

And the Trump base will turn on the Republican party, or be sufficiently demoralized to not vote. But unfortunately, too many in the Democratic base will think Mission Accomplished and not turn out for the Presidenctial race, forgetting that the Senate races are at least as important, and forget that the moderates would actually vote for a Rubio or Romney.

So it’s still a tossup.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:09:21pm

I need a chart. A big chart. There are too many characters with too many moving parts, in regards to impeachment.

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:11:30pm

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Trump is impeached, Pence will have as much power to rule as the Black Night.

Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:11:48pm

re: #93 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Well, you can go hub and spoke - all roads lead to Trump.

Around that first hub, you’ve got Pence, Pompeo, Perry, and Sondland all directly implicated in Ukraine mess.

Then you have additional ties to Rudy, Parnas, and Fruman to Ukraine.
Add Manafort, Putin, and Ukraine.
Add Stone, Manafort, Ukraine.
Add Putin, wikileaks, Assange, Russia.

And it keeps going from there.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:12:38pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

“Intense arguments”….in other words, Trump’s having a full-on meltdown.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:14:05pm

re: #92 aatharuv

And the Trump base will turn on the Republican party, or be sufficiently demoralized to not vote. But unfortunately, too many in the Democratic base will think Mission Accomplished and not turn out for the Presidenctial race, forgetting that the Senate races are at least as important, and forget that the moderates would actually vote for a Rubio or Romney.

So it’s still a tossup.

Here’s another fun aspect of this to game out… suddenly we have a Republican primary, some early states (depending on how long this takes) might have to hold second primaries. How do Republican primary voters go - will they support someone who voted to remove Trump? Who jumps in the race to be the Trump standard bearer? Junior (please)? Jim Jordan? Some other idiot? We see full intraparty warfare in the GOP leading to a brokered convention that drags on days…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:14:52pm

re: #94 stpaulbear

If Trump is impeached, Pence will have as much power to rule as the Black Night.

He can quietly and efficiently do a lot of damage and roll back a lot of progress in separation of church and state, personal freedoms, reproductive rights and LGBT equality that we have all come to take for granted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:14:55pm

We can dream about President Pelosi, but I think the most likely scenario in which Trump is convicted and removed is the one KGxvi spun. Pence is dirty in this, but mostly as a lackey, not the guy driving the whole Ukraine Shakedown. If he promises to play caretaker, and not run, I could see the Dems letting him skate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:17:47pm

re: #97 KGxvi

Here’s another fun aspect of this to game out… suddenly we have a Republican primary, some early states (depending on how long this takes) might have to hold second primaries. How do Republican primary voters go - will they support someone who voted to remove Trump? Who jumps in the race to be the Trump standard bearer? Junior (please)? Jim Jordan? Some other idiot? We see full intraparty warfare in the GOP leading to a brokered convention that drags on days…

There is no natural successor to the Trump standard bearer. Ivanka’s act is too cynical to outright embrace the racism. Don Jr is thought an idiot by his own Dad. But yeah the infighting should be interesting to unfold if enough establishment Republicans feel Trump will result in a huge national ass kicking that could get them out of power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:18:11pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

We can dream about President Pelosi, but I think the most likely scenario in which Trump is convicted and removed is the one KGxvi spun. Pence is dirty in this, but mostly as a lackey, not the guy driving the whole Ukraine Shakedown. If he promises to play caretaker, and not run, I could see the Dems letting him skate.

Yes, the whole “Democrats want to overturn the election” riff is designed to give Pence a door to float on while Trump goes down in the briny deep…

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:18:55pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:19:56pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Well, you can go hub and spoke - all roads lead to Trump.

Around that first hub, you’ve got Pence, Pompeo, Perry, and Sondland all directly implicated in Ukraine mess.

Then you have additional ties to Rudy, Parnas, and Fruman to Ukraine.
Add Manafort, Putin, and Ukraine.
Add Stone, Manafort, Ukraine.
Add Putin, wikileaks, Assange, Russia.

And it keeps going from there.

Unlike everyone else on the list, Pompeo has real credentials for his office and yet, like everyone else in this sordid affair, has proved to sacrifice all ethics, decency, and loyalty to our nation for the Orange Man, a traitor and grifter. What has happened to this nation that those with legitimate military training and responsibilities have demonstrated that they are no more worthy than a Limbaugh or Hannity.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:20:09pm

It’s a good question to ask who the GOP nominee would be though if Trump couldn’t run. The post Trump GOP has a lot of question marks on it.

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mmmirele  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:20:46pm

re: #34 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Stone put Ipecac (or Exlax or some such) in that Gatorade.

Guaranteed.

Naw, it could be nervous gut. I’ve had similar issues. Dude has never spent a day staring in the face of people who could potentially send him to prison. Of course his gut is upside-down.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:21:24pm

I never thought the Downfall parody would actually happen in the Oval office, but here we are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:23:39pm

re: #106 jaunte

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I never thought the Downfall parody would actually happen in the Oval office, but here we are.

Is Gordon playing FEGELIN! FEGELIN!

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:26:35pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

It’s a good question to ask who the GOP nominee would be though if Trump couldn’t run. The post Trump GOP has a lot of question marks on it.

Cruz will run in every cycle in which there is no GOP incumbent until the day he dies. I suspect Rubio and Paul will both want to give it another go. Then there are governors like DeSantis, Ducey, and maybe Kim Reynolds in Iowa… hell, Asa Hutchenson is hanging around as governor of Arkansas. They’ve got plenty of potential candidates/nominees.

The question will be whether anyone wants to try and claim the Trump mantle the way so many tried to take the Reagan mantle for a couple of decades. They may be facing the question of what direction the party goes the way the Dems had to in 92, following the losses in 84 and 88.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:28:40pm

re: #106 jaunte

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I never thought the Downfall parody would actually happen in the Oval office, but here we are.

Here’s the only Trump Downfall parody that I’ve seen….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:30:26pm

Lre: #108 KGxvi

Cruz will run in every cycle in which there is no GOP incumbent until the day he dies. I suspect Rubio and Paul will both want to give it another go. Then there are governors like DeSantis, Ducey, and maybe Kim Reynolds in Iowa… hell, Asa Hutchenson is hanging around as governor of Arkansas. They’ve got plenty of potential candidates/nominees.

The question will be whether anyone wants to try and claim the Trump mantle the way so many tried to take the Reagan mantle for a couple of decades. They may be facing the question of what direction the party goes the way the Dems had to in 92, following the losses in 84 and 88.

Oh yeah I meant about who the front runner would be and who would inherit the Trump diehards- the ones that voted for him in the primary as enthusiastically as they did in the GE. Lots of names.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:33:36pm

re: #108 KGxvi

Cruz will run in every cycle in which there is no GOP incumbent until the day he dies. I suspect Rubio and Paul will both want to give it another go. Then there are governors like DeSantis, Ducey, and maybe Kim Reynolds in Iowa… hell, Asa Hutchenson is hanging around as governor of Arkansas. They’ve got plenty of potential candidates/nominees.

The question will be whether anyone wants to try and claim the Trump mantle the way so many tried to take the Reagan mantle for a couple of decades. They may be facing the question of what direction the party goes the way the Dems had to in 92, following the losses in 84 and 88.

The open question is whether anyone actually CAN claim Trump’s mantle. I see Trump as very much sui generis, and no current prominent Republican politician has the same combination of stupidity and narcissism. Plus, they bodily ejected anyone who wasn’t a simpering suck-up to Trump. They all look weak and pandering by comparison.

Trump made the GOP so much about him that without him, what’s it about? I mean, Trump’s “philosophy” is totally incoherent, haphazard, and ad hoc. Republicans like his policy positions, such as they are, because they like HIM. Without him, will they still be keen to push tariffs? Or retreat from the world stage?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:36:55pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

The open question is whether anyone actually CAN claim Trump’s mantle. I see Trump as very much sui generis, and no current prominent Republican politician has the same combination of stupidity and narcissism. Plus, they bodily ejected anyone who wasn’t a simpering suck-up to Trump. They all look weak and pandering by comparison.

Trump made the GOP so much about him that without him, what’s it about? I mean, Trump’s “philosophy” is totally incoherent, haphazard, and ad hoc. Republicans like his policy positions, such as they are, because they like HIM. Without him, will they still be keen to push tariffs? Or retreat from the world stage?

The GOP the past few years has been about who can be the most loyal to Trump. He calls himself “your favorite president”. They haven’t created an ideological movement like the Goldwater right was. It’s about loyalty to him. So it’s interesting to ponder who will have the cynicism to use the love of leader worship to gain sway of the gut of the GOP base.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:38:44pm

re: #109 Hecuba’s daughter

Here’s the only Trump Downfall parody that I’ve seen….

And here’s another one — both made in 2016 after the election.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:42:42pm

re: #72 ckkatz

Back from voting in sunny and warm Virginia.

[snip]

Va ballots are fill in the bubble paper ballots and then input into the scanner. The voter is asked to input it into the scanner as a reassurance step.

[snip]

Those are the kind we in PA just went with. Today was my first day using them. I like it, better than the old machines that had no paper trail.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:43:51pm

re: #89 Dread Pirate

Amazing what an attack on a Saudi oil facility can achieve.

Aramco IPO is coming up.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:49:36pm

re: #70 jaunte

cool!
cause nobody has suggest that
and no thats not snark

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:52:46pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

I think that’s pretty much exactly how it’d go down - bear in mind that such a scenario is basically a doomsday scenario for the GOP….the absolute last-ditch Hail Mary.

it’s an admission of everything

plus if the dems arent in on this from the start, pence would be working without a VP

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:52:54pm

re: #77 KGxvi

Barring a live boy/dead girl scenario with Pence, I don’t think he get removed. We’ve never even removed a president via impeachment, to remove a president and vice president in one swing would probably be too much even for the most ardent among us.

With Pence I’m kinda hoping for a live woman old enough to BE his mother.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:53:37pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:54:11pm

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

“Intense arguments”….in other words, Trump’s having a full-on meltdown.

Downfall meme revisited, again.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:54:30pm

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

But we did have a VP unexpectedly resign in disgrace, followed by the appointment of an acceptable VP, followed by the resignation of the President before he could be impeached. So we do have those historical events in the living memory of many Americans.

while true, agnew left for an unrelated case of corruption, not part of watergate

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:55:16pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I sort of agree, but on the other hand I find myself thinking about that base’s priorities…which is “anything that feeds our collective narcissistic supply”…and wonder if they’re willing to align with anyone to get some bit of fix.

I also worry, in line with another aspect of narcissism, if they’ll respond to losing Trump by trying to hurt people that took away their fix, and center that in their priorities regardless of candidates. I mean, this is already present in the “do X to trigger libs” racket.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 5, 2019 • 12:56:04pm

re: #116 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

cool!
cause nobody has suggest that
and no thats not snark

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In which anything short of a Samuel L. Jackson or Jack Nicholson confession is insufficient.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:02:36pm

re: #108 KGxvi

Cruz will run in every cycle in which there is no GOP incumbent until the day he dies. I suspect Rubio and Paul will both want to give it another go. Then there are governors like DeSantis, Ducey, and maybe Kim Reynolds in Iowa… hell, Asa Hutchenson is hanging around as governor of Arkansas. They’ve got plenty of potential candidates/nominees.

The question will be whether anyone wants to try and claim the Florida Man mantle the way so many tried to take the Reagan mantle for a couple of decades. They may be facing the question of what direction the party goes the way the Dems had to in 92, following the losses in 84 and 88.

its gonna be real hard for any of them to claim any ‘mantle’ when they all either sucked up pretty obviously or silently stood there and let it all happen

then again R politicians and gop voters are excellent at bending themselves into pretzels

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:09:25pm

re: #117 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

it’s an admission of everything

plus if the dems arent in on this from the start, pence would be working without a VP

Pence would just be a caretaker POTUS until 2021. As far as the GOP field for next year under such a scenario, I’d imagine it’d be an open contest, as part of the deal would be that Pence wouldn’t stand for election.

A repeat of the 2016 GOP contest, but without Trump. How they’d do is anyone’s guess, as I suspect that without Trump’s personality cult, the GOP would up shit creek and if their base chose to register their displeasure by sitting it out next year, they’d be in for some serious damage.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:10:55pm

From a new White House statement on the House impeachment inquiry:

“Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought.”

a couple of responses:

- Republicans read those transcripts the same way they read the Bible… they simply assert they contain whatever they want them to.

- Still arguing that it was both perfect, and a Democrat NeverTrumper Big Fake Lie I Tell You

ie

“These aren’t the droids you’re looking for, but if they were they are absolutely perfect.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:13:31pm

re: #126 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

or: “They haven’t actually read the transcripts and are just working off hearsay from someone friendly to them that allegedly has.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:15:22pm

re: #124 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

its gonna be real hard for any of them to claim any ‘mantle’ when they all either sucked up pretty obviously or silently stood there and let it all happen

then again R politicians and gop voters are excellent at bending themselves into pretzels

See, this is where I can’t simulate the thought process of the base. There’s such shallowness, a deliberate lack of self-reflection, that’s been built into the culture. “Don’t think about it” is lionized. And the consequences of that, over the years, is the shamelessness we’re seeing now.

I belabor it, but what’s happened in right wing, highly politicized, populist Chistianity demonstrates how there is no core, and words don’t mean anything even when they’re God’s words.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:15:41pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Pence would just be a caretaker POTUS until 2021. As far as the GOP field for next year under such a scenario, I’d imagine it’d be an open contest, as part of the deal would be that Pence wouldn’t stand for election.

A repeat of the 2016 GOP contest, but without Florida Man. How they’d do is anyone’s guess, as I suspect that without Florida Man’s personality cult, the GOP would up shit creek and if their base chose to register their displeasure by sitting it out next year, they’d be in for some serious damage.

i was implying gaming it out this way:
- turns out pence is in it - if not up to his neck, at least his knees
- the R’s get trump to resign without dem input (yeah not likely)
- pence cant appoint a VP anywhere near palatable to the dems and that leaves pelosi as next in line
- just for fun, the dems try to impeach - rule of law, no one’s above it, etc
- sure there’s probably not enough time to get anything done, and the senate would never vote to convict

but a danger can dream cant he?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:16:23pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

or: “They haven’t actually read the transcripts and are just working off hearsay from someone friendly to them that allegedly has.”

you mean Sean told them what he’d be saying tonight…

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:17:26pm
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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:18:25pm

re: #114 Eventual Carrion

Those are the kind we in PA just went with. Today was my first day using them. I like it, better than the old machines that had no paper trail.

We finally got a new system (our old voting machines were bought from some other state that had already deemed them useless)

The new one—ExpressVote. You insert the ballot into the ExpressVote to begin marking your ballot. After making your selections, you print your ballot. You then have the opportunity to review your selections printed on the ballot before inserting it into a ballot scanner. The scanner tabulates the votes on your ballot and feeds the ballot into a locked ballot box. The paper ballots are then used to verify and audit election results.

HUGE IMPROVEMENT. (Now, if my candidates for City Council win and my nemesis candidate loses, it will all be worthwhile!)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:20:32pm

re: #128 The Ghost of a Flea

See, this is where I can’t simulate the thought process of the base. There’s such shallowness, a deliberate lack of self-reflection, that’s been built into the culture. “Don’t think about it” is lionized. And the consequences of that, over the years, is the shamelessness we’re seeing now.

I belabor it, but what’s happened in right wing, highly politicized, populist Chistianity demonstrates how there is no core, and words don’t mean anything even when they’re God’s words.

- dont worry im gonna be the next trump is a tacit admission that im gonna be just as weasely, crooked, corrupt etc

- dont worry im not gonna be like trump is what i said above - you enabled or actively colluded, and who wants to vote for ‘Not-Trump’ right now? that’s an admission of such cognitive dissonance that i dont believe there’s any significant numbers in it

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:24:09pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:27:30pm

Suspect in acid attack moved to jail; national Hispanic rights group calls for hate crime charge

Clifton Allen Blackwell, 61, had been arrested on a preliminary charge of aggravated battery after 42-year-old Mahmud Villalaz said Blackwell threw acid on his face after a series of anti-immigrant remarks that Villalaz finally countered by saying he is a U.S. citizen.

Leaders of the League of United Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, a national Hispanic civil rights organization on Tuesday called on prosecutors to send a particular message.

“Latinos everywhere are under attack. Hate crimes, like the one against Villalaz, must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We urge Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm to file hate crime charges against the suspect in this case,” read a statement from LULAC President Domingo Garcia and its Wisconsin state director, Lupe Martinez.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:31:38pm

Editorial Director Of G/O Media Quits After Killing Deadspin

a perfect tweet

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:35:51pm

re: #134 lawhawk

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Oh.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:37:04pm

re: #131 lawhawk

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I mean, I know it doesn’t matter to Meadows…but why would Sondland have ever needed to revise his testimony if everything was cool? Why didn’t Sondland testify to everything in his revised statement from the jump?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:37:38pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:39:03pm

re: #138 Mike Lamb

I mean, I know it doesn’t matter to Meadows…but why would Sondland have ever needed to revise his testimony if everything was cool? Why didn’t Sondland testify to everything in his revised statement from the jump?

Exactly.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:40:18pm

take that!
ill show you how to not get involved

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lawhawk  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:41:44pm

re: #138 Mike Lamb

Well, he was hoping that his testimony would be sufficient to keep the House at bay, but when all the other folks started testifying about specific acts of wrongdoing by Sondland, he had to revise/extend his remarks.

And in any other circumstances, his conduct could be considered perjury (lying under oath). You could weasel word your way out of those charges, because he used a lot of modifiers in his original testimony so he could later claim that he’s not lying under oath either now or then (aka a perjury trap). The GOP knows this too. But the GOP will continue to not care about the facts or the logic involved.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:41:52pm

re: #141 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

take that!
ill show you how to not get involved

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Good. He can join Trump at the unemployment office next fall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:45:44pm

re: #141 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, says he won’t read any of the transcripts, and dismissed Sondland’s reversal.

“I’ve written the whole process off … I think this is a bunch of B.S.”

A convenient of staying off the record so he can come out again later on the winning side…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:49:12pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

We can dream about President Pelosi, but I think the most likely scenario in which Trump is convicted and removed is the one KGxvi spun. Pence is dirty in this, but mostly as a lackey, not the guy driving the whole Ukraine Shakedown. If he promises to play caretaker, and not run, I could see the Dems letting him skate.

Normally, I would go with how the Nixon resignation went - with advisors telling both Pence and Trump to resign or go to jail, and allowing a Republican who doesn’t have the stench of the current White House covering themselves to be appointed and subsequently succeed. Never happen for two reasons: one, Trump would never EVER go for naming such a person as VP, and second, I don’t think such a person exists anymore within the Republican party.

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bratwurst  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:53:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:54:28pm

re: #141 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Profiles In Courage!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:54:55pm

re: #146 bratwurst

For fuck sakes.

I really hate this country sometimes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:55:53pm

re: #146 bratwurst

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Yeah I agree, I have read too many stories about white diner patrons who still think Trump cares about them. Oh? He meant reporting on what Trump actually says and does.// And yes this is dangerous.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:56:23pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

For fuck sakes.

I really hate this country sometimes.

Best way to defeat Trumpism is locally.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:57:24pm

re: #142 lawhawk

Well, he was hoping that his testimony would be sufficient to keep the House at bay, but when all the other folks started testifying about specific acts of wrongdoing by Sondland, he had to revise/extend his remarks.

And in any other circumstances, his conduct could be considered perjury (lying under oath). You could weasel word your way out of those charges, because he used a lot of modifiers in his original testimony so he could later claim that he’s not lying under oath either now or then (aka a perjury trap). The GOP knows this too. But the GOP will continue to not care about the facts or the logic involved.

Again, I know 30% of the populace is a total lost cause, but for the somehow undecideds, Meadows’ spin doesn’t pass the gut/smell/laugh test. The mere fact that Sondland felt compelled to revise his testimony, and phrase things very carefully in order to avoid a perjury charge (probably) says everything.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 1:58:55pm

re: #146 bratwurst

These people would like to reintroduce Jim Crow. But we can make it a lot harder for them than people 100 years ago could.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:00:11pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Best way to defeat Trumpism is locally.

Not really possible when you live in one of the most Trumpian places in the country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:00:59pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Not really possible when you live in one of the most Trumpian places in the country.

True.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:02:20pm

re: #151 Mike Lamb

Again, I know 30% of the populace is a total lost cause, but for the somehow undecideds, Meadows’ spin doesn’t pass the gut/smell/laugh test. The mere fact that Sondland felt compelled to revise his testimony, and phrase things very carefully in order to avoid a perjury charge (probably) says everything.

“Yeah, that part where I said “No Quid Pro Quo”? I just remembered it was TOTALLY Quid Pro Quo.”

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:04:20pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

“Yeah, that part where I said “No Quid Pro Quo”? I just remembered it was TOTALLY Quid Pro Quo.”

“Trump said ‘No no quid pro quo’ and I just remembered the no’s cancel each other out.”

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:04:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:06:29pm

re: #157 gocart mozart

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But totally an anti corruption campaign.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:10:25pm

I’m still really worried Trump will get re-elected next year.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:12:22pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still really worried Trump will get re-elected next year.

Then read the WashPost poll from this morning and not the NYT poll from yesterday.

//

I figure the truth lies between “We’re all gonna DIE!” and “Everything’s copacetic”.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:12:54pm

re: #141 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

take that!
ill show you how to not get involved

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Obligatory:

jaimeharrison.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:12:55pm

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

Then read the WashPost poll from this morning and not the NYT poll from yesterday.

//

I figure the truth lies between “We’re all gonna DIE!” and “Everything’s copacetic”.

We should take nothing for granted.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:13:24pm

re: #145 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Normally, I would go with how the Nixon resignation went - with advisors telling both Pence and Trump to resign or go to jail, and allowing a Republican who doesn’t have the stench of the current White House covering themselves to be appointed and subsequently succeed. Never happen for two reasons: one, Trump would never EVER go for naming such a person as VP, and second, I don’t think such a person exists anymore within the Republican party.

OK: since we’re going with scenarios here, let me proffer some opinions.

1. Donald Trump is at best unlikely-to-the-point-of-impossible to resign; he’s going to have to be tossed out (by Senate conviction). Whether he would do an Allende in that case (probably including the helmet) and barricade himself in the WH and hope for a mob of Proud Boys or whoever to rescue him is an interesting what-if, but governmentally irrelevant.

2. I’m guessing any deal with the Senate to convict/remove Trump is going to have to entail a solid commitment to supporting President Pence as the legitimate successor. While few DC GOPers deserve the boot more than Mike Dense*, it’s entirely too much to expect Congressional Repubs to squander their political capital on seating a President Pelosi. One head on the wall is going to have to be enough.

3. It would probably also be part of the deal (and it is likely to be a very-well-prearranged “deal”) that one of President Pence’s first actions in office will be to nominate an “acceptable” VP whose nom will be pre-fast-tracked with minimal carping from Democrats. Again, a “corrupt bargain” that even JQA wouldn’t stomach, but worth it to get The Orange Anus out of office. And, hopefully, out of sight as well….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:13:30pm

re: #161 BeachDem

Obligatory:

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jaimeharrison.com

God I’d love it if Jamie could win.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:13:47pm

re: #145 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Normally, I would go with how the Nixon resignation went - with advisors telling both Pence and Trump to resign or go to jail, and allowing a Republican who doesn’t have the stench of the current White House covering themselves to be appointed and subsequently succeed. Never happen for two reasons: one, Trump would never EVER go for naming such a person as VP, and second, I don’t think such a person exists anymore within the Republican party.

I go back and forth on whether Trump would even resign. On the one hand, his ego wouldn’t let him take the loss of being removed - of being “fired” - so he would probably try and fight it the whole way. On the other hand, if the writing is on the wall, he might resign so he could say he went out on his own terms and how the deep state was out to get him and all that - because his ego wouldn’t tolerate him being the guy that got fired either.

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bratwurst  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:13:53pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still really worried Trump will get re-elected next year.

Anyone who ISN’T worried about that is stupid and/or delusional.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:14:46pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

We should take nothing for granted.

Nope, but we also shouldn’t panic.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:15:34pm

re: #166 bratwurst

Anyone ho ISN’T worried about that is stupid and/or delusional.

Oh yeah. I’m half full but I take nothing for granted.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:15:49pm

re: #167 Belafon

Nope, but we also shouldn’t panic.

That’s where I am.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:19:02pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

God I’d love it if Jamie could win.

Doing everything possible to make that happen! (Jaime)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:19:30pm

re: #170 BeachDem

Doing everything possible to make that happen! (Jaime)

Cool deal.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:21:32pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Cool deal.

You just inspired me to send Jaime another 50 bucks!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:22:04pm

re: #172 BeachDem

You just inspired me to send Jaime another 50 bucks!

Sweet!

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:23:01pm

Hypothetically, if there was actual movement for a constitutional amendment for the popular election of the president and vice-president, do you think it should include citizens in territories and overseas? Or should it be limited to citizens within the States and DC?

I’d lean towards everyone, but I thought it was an interesting question… yes, these are the sorts of things I randomly think about when I have down time.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:23:26pm

re: #108 KGxvi

Cruz will run in every cycle in which there is no GOP incumbent until the day he dies. I suspect Rubio and Paul will both want to give it another go. Then there are governors like DeSantis, Ducey, and maybe Kim Reynolds in Iowa… hell, Asa Hutchenson is hanging around as governor of Arkansas. They’ve got plenty of potential candidates/nominees.

The question will be whether anyone wants to try and claim the Trump mantle the way so many tried to take the Reagan mantle for a couple of decades. They may be facing the question of what direction the party goes the way the Dems had to in 92, following the losses in 84 and 88.

Maybe Bernie and his entourage will head over that way…

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:23:37pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

God I’d love it if Jamie could win.

Wouldn’t we all?
But, unfortunately, highly unlikely:

1. Harrison seems like a smart guy and all, and a decent-enough candidate, but he has never held or run for any political office before: a statewide Senate race doesn’t usually make for a good maiden run.

2 (most importantly) It’s South Carolina. Though in this case, it’s more partisan than racial.

Be interesting to see SC having two bald black guys representing them in the Senate, but unseating Lindsey is probably too much to hope for. This time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:23:43pm

We were going to be good citizens, and cast our votes today. Then we looked at the ballot -

ONE race, for school board. That’s it. Not even any ballot initiatives.

So, lacking the knowledge to intelligently exercise the franchise, we decided against.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:23:45pm

Unrealistic advice from the ruling class.

Never spend more than this much of your income on a car,’ says millionaire finance expert

To save others from making this costly mistake, I came up with the 1/10th rule for buying a car. It’s simple: Spend no more than 10% of your gross annual income on the purchase price of a car.

Why? Because the upfront cost of a vehicle isn’t going to be the only thing you pay for, and cutting down your base price budget is the most effective way to save money.

If you make the median per capita income of about $42,000 a year, for example, you should limit your budget to $4,200. If you make the median household income of about $62,000 a year, don’t spend more than $6,200 on a car.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:24:12pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still really worried Trump will get re-elected next year.

as long as the economy does not stall and the GOP keeps a solid front they can still pull it off

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:24:18pm

re: #70 jaunte

Why is Graham saying “THE Ukraine” instead of Ukraine? Do both Putin and Trump have a noose around his nuts? Or is it just trmp making him say things to please his Daddy Vlad?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:24:20pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Hypothetically, if there was actual movement for a constitutional amendment for the popular election of the president and vice-president, do you think it should include citizens in territories and overseas? Or should it be limited to citizens within the States and DC?

I’d lean towards everyone, but I thought it was an interesting question… yes, these are the sorts of things I randomly think about when I have down time.

All citizens. Everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:25:33pm

re: #176 Jay C

Wouldn’t we all?
But, unfortunately, highly unlikely:

1. Harrison seems like a smart guy and all, and a decent-enough candidate, but he has never held or run for any political office before: a statewide Senate race doesn’t usually make for a good maiden run.

2 (most importantly) It’s South Carolina. Though in this case, it’s more partisan than racial.

Be interesting to see SC having two bald black guys representing them in the Senate, but unseating Lindsey is probably too much to hope for. This time.

Odds are against it for sure but you’re talking to a guy who remembers Webb destroying George Allen’s presidential aspirations. Webb is an asshole but I’ll always cherish that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:25:36pm

re: #180 Jebediah, RBG

Why is Graham saying “THE Ukraine” instead of Ukraine? Do both Putin and Trump have a noose around his nuts? Or is it just trmp making him say things to please his Daddy Vlad?

I still say that as it was the accepted designation until rather recently

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:26:19pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Unrealistic advice from the ruling class.

Never spend more than this much of your income on a car,’ says millionaire finance expert

If people actually did that, the automobile industry would collapse.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:29:09pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still say that as it was the accepted designation until rather recently

You’re being way too generous to Lindsay imo. Ukraine has been a nation state for Lindsay’s entire career in Washington and most of his adulthood so nyet imo.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:29:20pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

My wife hates it when I make that argument, but the low unemployment rate depends on people not being frugal and not saving their money. For the individual, “make do or do without” is good advice. For the whole economy, it’s a death sentence.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:30:08pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Unrealistic advice from the ruling class.

Never spend more than this much of your income on a car,’ says millionaire finance expert

yeah and dont spend more than 1/3 of your income on housing

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:30:12pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Unrealistic advice from the ruling class.

Never spend more than this much of your income on a car,’ says millionaire finance expert

So he thinks I should just settle for driving a twelve year old vehicle with over 100 000 miles on it that’s liable to fall apart any moment because that’s what my 10% budget would allow? Jackass.

I don’t want to give away my salary, but I make less than 50K a year and on that I’ve already been able to pay off in FULL one $13000 car in FOUR years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:30:28pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

You’re being way too generous. Ukraine has been a nation state for Lindsay’s entire career in Washington and most of his adulthood so nyet imo.

It’s like when the Brits referred to “The Argentine” during the Falklands War.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:30:54pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe less avacado toast.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:32:12pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

Maybe less avacado toast.

I think Giuliani’s gonna be Abogado toast, if you catch my meaning….

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:32:35pm

re: #176 Jay C

Wouldn’t we all?
But, unfortunately, highly unlikely:

1. Harrison seems like a smart guy and all, and a decent-enough candidate, but he has never held or run for any political office before: a statewide Senate race doesn’t usually make for a good maiden run.

2 (most importantly) It’s South Carolina. Though in this case, it’s more partisan than racial.

Be interesting to see SC having two bald black guys representing them in the Senate, but unseating Lindsey is probably too much to hope for. This time.

Latest polling has him within 7 points of Lindsey. And, although he’s not held office, he was SCDP Chair and in leadership at DNC, so he’s not coming out of nowhere.

Yeah, it’s a huge uphill climb, but he’s raising incredible amounts of money and getting a lot of press, so I live in hope.

(and being black and bald are the only similarities between Jaime and Tim Scott)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:32:39pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like when the Brits referred to “The Argentine” during the Falklands War.

And Lindsay until recently did say it right. I could understand McCain a man whose public service was very much defined by Cold War boundaries and nations slipping up sometimes but Graham entered DC after Ukraine became its own nation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:33:18pm

re: #187 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

yeah and dont spend more than 1/3 of your income on housing

Like Ben Shapiro saying people who are working 3 jobs just to get by should have gotten better paying jobs instead.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:33:38pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still really worried Trump will get re-elected next year.

Do, or do not, there is no “worry”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:33:46pm

re: #192 BeachDem

Latest polling has him within 7 points of Lindsey. And, although he’s not held office, he was SCDP Chair and in leadership at DNC, so he’s not coming out of nowhere.

Yeah, it’s a huge uphill climb, but he’s raising incredible amounts of money and getting a lot of press, so I live in hope.

(and being black and bald are the only similarities between Jaime and Tim Scott)

He has way more street creds than Jim Webb did here. He’s running a solid campaign.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:34:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:34:42pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Do, or do not, there is no “worry”.

Yeah, that doesn’t work if you have an anxiety disorder…..

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:35:14pm

re: #176 Jay C

Wouldn’t we all?
But, unfortunately, highly unlikely:

1. Harrison seems like a smart guy and all, and a decent-enough candidate, but he has never held or run for any political office before: a statewide Senate race doesn’t usually make for a good maiden run.

2 (most importantly) It’s South Carolina. Though in this case, it’s more partisan than racial.

Be interesting to see SC having two bald black guys representing them in the Senate, but unseating Lindsey is probably too much to hope for. This time.

Graham doesn’t appear to be too popular with SC Republicans. Wikipedia shows a poll from June where he was getting just 70% in a primary challenge, with 26% undecided. It also looks like there’s going to be some sort of loon third party challenger out of the Libertarian and/or Constitution Party, which will only hurt Graham in the general.

And that June poll also showed him only at 52% against Harrison… which yeah, is a clean majority, but you’d expect him to be higher, given how long he’s been in office.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:35:19pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

Like Ben Shapiro saying people who are working 3 jobs just to get by should have gotten better paying jobs instead.

Ben Shapiro is the best argument for why the very wealthy should be progressively taxed. What exactly does he produce? He’s a propagandist pure and simple who craps on people who unlike him work hard.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:35:27pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

So he thinks I should just settle for driving a twelve year old vehicle with over 100 000 miles on it that’s liable to fall apart any moment because that’s what my 10% budget would allow? Jackass.

I don’t want to give away my salary, but I make less than 50K a year and on that I’ve already been able to pay off in FULL one $13000 car in FOUR years.

hey there’s always Car Shield //

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:36:26pm

The gig is up.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:40:50pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that doesn’t work if you have an anxiety disorder…..

That’s why god, in her mercy, gave us Tullamore Dew.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:41:40pm

Sean Duffy said “ The Ukraine” when attacking Vindman. Trust me, it’s deliberate on their part or otherwise illustrative of their ignorance.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:41:47pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

That’s why god, in her mercy, gave us Tullamore Dew.

Well, I’m atheist, but I’m also a drinker, so……

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:42:09pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

That’s why god, in her mercy, gave us Tullamore Dew.

My first whiskey.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:42:23pm

President Pence will be by far the most pathetic figure in the history of American politics, the lamest of lame ducks. Romney, or whoever is the GOP nominee, will not be able to keep the utter lameness from rubbing off, in addition to the infestation of Trump cooties with which they will have to contend. Putin and the collaborator media will pull out all the stops in the effort, and we will see a blizzard of bullshit the like of which even Satan has never seen, but it will avail them nothing.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:42:33pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, I’m atheist, but I’m also a drinker, so……

I’m an agnostic, don’t know what to drink.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:43:47pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

I’m an agnostic, don’t know what to drink.

The correct answer is more.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:44:13pm

it just gets worse and worse - to repeat the tweet

‘The White House tried to get Sondland to come in for an “interview” to preview his testimony (and likely align stories) before his deposition.

‘Sondland declined.’

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:44:40pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Sean Duffy said “ The Ukraine” when attacking Vindman. Trust me, it’s deliberate on their part or otherwise illustrative of their ignorance.

‘Democrat Party”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:45:55pm

re: #211 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

‘Democrat Party”

Yep. I actually discovered one of my cousins lived in Ukraine for awhile. Don’t know where but I assume the West.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:46:03pm

re: #199 KGxvi

Graham doesn’t appear to be too popular with SC Republicans. Wikipedia shows a poll from June where he was getting just 70% in a primary challenge, with 26% undecided. It also looks like there’s going to be some sort of loon third party challenger out of the Libertarian and/or Constitution Party, which will only hurt Graham in the general.

And that June poll also showed him only at 52% against Harrison… which yeah, is a clean majority, but you’d expect him to be higher, given how long he’s been in office.

Good news, but the only poll that’s going to count is the one on 11/3/20. And third-party challenger or not, I can’t see the SC GOP not pulling out all the stops to return a longtime party hack like Lindsey Graham; impeachment drama notwithstanding. I’ll shoot Jaime a few bucks mid-month just in case, though: like the lottery, you never know until you play…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:46:05pm

re: #207 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

President Pence will be by far the most pathetic figure in the history of American politics, the lamest of lame ducks. Romney, or whoever is the GOP nominee, will not be able to keep the utter lameness from rubbing off, in addition to the infestation of Florida Man cooties with which they will have to contend. Putin and the collaborator media will pull out all the stops in the effort, and we will see a blizzard of bullshit the like of which even Satan has never seen, but it will avail them nothing.

you said better what i was trying to say way upthread

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:46:33pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

I’m an agnostic, don’t know what to drink.

as an atheist, i’ll drink anything

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:48:44pm

re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

as an atheist, i’ll drink anything

Gin’s probably the only liquor I outright dislike. I don’t like vodka on it’s own but I do like it mixed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:50:05pm

re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

as an atheist, i’ll drink anything

As an atheist, my tastes in booze are catholic.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:50:45pm

Super Typhoon Halong turned out to be a major storm, but it isn’t hitting anything but small islands:

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:50:57pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Pretty good with anything that get me drunk that’s not Southern Comfort.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:51:52pm

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

As an atheist, my tastes in booze are catholic.

Ah a whiskey (note the spelling) and rum man. I’m more Celtic but with a touch of Latin- I like Irish whiskey and bourbon but also like rum and pisco.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:53:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:53:25pm

re: #219 plansbandc

Pretty good with anything that get me drunk that’s not Southern Comfort.

My go to is Irish whiskey, ginger ale, & a lime slice. Tried it with some Guinness added, not bad.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:54:20pm
Halong may be even stronger than JTWC’s 12Z verdict. According to the satellite-based Advanced Dvorak Technique—developed by the Cooperative Institute for Meteorological Satellite Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison—Halong was a 7.8 on the Dvorak scale, with estimated top winds of 164 knots (189 mph) and a surface pressure of 894 mb. Update: In its 18Z advisory, JTWC raised Halong’s peak winds to 180 mph.

Impressive cyclone, it strengthened even though under shear and not that warm of water.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:56:31pm

The Student Prince premiered at the height of Prohibition. When the “Drinking song” began, the NYC audience lost its mind.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:56:48pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

I’m an agnostic, don’t know what to drink.

I’m a Hindu drinker, I believe in all of them.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:57:38pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

The correct answer is more.

Unless you’re an alcoholic, then I would suggest coffee… at a meeting.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:58:06pm

re: #225 BigPapa

I’m a Hindu drinker, I believe in all of them.

I was a Franciscan. We made our own—really.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 2:59:37pm

re: #219 plansbandc

Pretty good with anything that get me drunk that’s not Southern Comfort.

For a long time I couldn’t drink tequila or eat brie cheese. In college a couple of us single guys went to an open semi-formal (iow, not Greek). One of my friends had a pint of tequila, which the two of us managed to finish pretty quickly. In about 30 minutes I knew I was in trouble and managed to walk back to my room. I woke up with my suit jacket stuck in the door (I must have wiggled out of it) and a fork with a chunk of half-eaten brie in the breast pocket. I’m not really fond of either to this day, but the top shelf tequila, if sipped, is pretty good.

But as our sexual predator SCOTUS BK would say: “I like beer!”

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:03:13pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

I was a Franciscan. We made our own—really.

I used to make beer but had to stop because Dad kept stealing! Can’t get too mad, I stole lots of his weed so all’s fair. I know how good the brew was by the rate of thefts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:03:19pm

re: #228 Barefoot Grin

For a long time I couldn’t drink tequila or eat brie cheese. In college a couple of us single guys went to an open semi-formal (iow, not Greek). One of my friends had a pint of tequila, which the two of us managed to finish pretty quickly. In about 30 minutes I knew I was in trouble and managed to walk back to my room. I woke up with my suit jacket stuck in the door (I must have wiggled out of it) and a fork with a chunk of half-eaten brie in the breast pocket. I’m not really fond of either to this day, but the top shelf tequila, if sipped, is pretty good.

But as our sexual predator SCOTUS BK would say: “I like beer!”

Tom T. Hall made a much better case for beer than Barf ever did.

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:06:31pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Tom T. Hall made a much better case for beer than Barf ever did.

I Like Beer by Tom T Hall

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:07:02pm

re: #229 BigPapa

I used to make beer but had to stop because Dad kept stealing! Can’t get too mad, I stole lots of his weed so all’s fair. I know how good the brew was by the rate of thefts.

I went with Fr A, our Physics teacher, to his machine shop high in the school’s attics. We were turning a lens mount to make an enlarger when I saw huge dull copper kettles in the dark. Until Prohibition the high school had made it’s own beer and issued each student a pint per day.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:08:14pm

re: #231 William Lewis

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Makes me a jolly fellow.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:10:21pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

I went with Fr A, our Physics teacher, to his machine shop high in the school’s attics. We were turning a lens mount to make an enlarger when I saw huge dull copper kettles in the dark. Until Prohibition the high school had made it’s own beer and issued each student a pint per day.

Sometimes, I forget, for all the progress we have made, how we have regressed and/or been hamstrung by Puritan impulses over the years.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:10:54pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:13:08pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Gin’s probably the only liquor I outright dislike. I don’t like vodka on it’s own but I do like it mixed.

agree on gin and scotch
im mostly bourbon, vodka, dark beer and sake
(and wine)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:14:07pm

re: #236 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

agree on gin and scotch
im mostly bourbon, vodka, dark beer and sake
(and wine)

Beer I am more fluid. I like IPAs and stouts.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:15:22pm

re: #234 KGxvi

Sometimes, I forget, for all the progress we have made, how we have regressed and/or been hamstrung by Puritan impulses over the years.

The school was strongly German, run by Capuchin Franciscans driven out by Bismark during the Kulturkampf. Our tiny museum was mostly steins from generations of our teachers. The teachers were trained there, did their work all over the world, and returned to be buried. Fr A (PBUH) is among them.

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calochortus  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:15:40pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

My wife hates it when I make that argument, but the low unemployment rate depends on people not being frugal and not saving their money. For the individual, “make do or do without” is good advice. For the whole economy, it’s a death sentence.

I had this very discussion with the butcher this morning when I bought pre-sliced stir fry beef. I commented that I was too lazy to slice it myself (also, they have the equipment to do it very evenly and I don’t.) He pointed out that my laziness provided employment for him so it was a good thing. We were both happy with the outcome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:18:40pm

it’s early and polls are still open in western Kentucky, but:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:18:58pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

I was a Franciscan. We made our own—really.

My Dad made wine for years, taking advantage of local growers who put in vines but didn’t have their own wineries. The first year, he bought a bunch of crushed grapes from NY State, then realized that since they were WHITE grapes they weren’t supposed to be left on the skins. The next year, he got freshly picked local grapes, and we did the crush ourselves. Literally. My then-girlfriend and I stood at the then-new stainless steel sink in the kitchen ‘island’, popping grapes with our hands, then Dad siphoned off the juice.

For the next decade or so, every fall there were 2 or 3 5-gal carboys with fermentation locks, bubbling away. At that time, he was running the QC lab at the fruit processing company where he worked and he took advantage of the instruments he had at his disposal. And of course he was a voracious reader, and took his hobby very seriously.
Most of the wine we drank at home, he made. Every time one of his adult children came for a visit, they usually left with 4-6 bottles. Eventually, he realized he was providing free wine for about 5 families!

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:18:58pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

The school was strongly German, run by Capuchin Franciscans driven out by Bismark during the Kulturkampf. Our tiny museum was mostly steins from generations of our teachers. The teachers were trained there, did their work all over the world, and returned to be buried. Fr A (PBUH) is among them.

Interesting.

I was mostly thinking how we’ve (rightly or wrongly) highly regulated alcohol since repeal and the criminalization of most drugs, how dumb we are when it comes to nudity, the censoring of “curse” words, and all the other shit. But that’s mostly my libertarian instincts showing themselves again.

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calochortus  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:22:57pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

My Dad made wine for years, taking advantage of local growers who put in vines but didn’t have their own wineries. The first year, he bought a bunch of crushed grapes from NY State, then realized that since they were WHITE grapes they weren’t supposed to be left on the skins. The next year, he got freshly picked local grapes, and we did the crush ourselves. Literally. My then-girlfriend and I stood at the then-new stainless steel sink in the kitchen ‘island’, popping grapes with our hands, then Dad siphoned off the juice.

For the next decade or so, every fall there were 2 or 3 5-gal carboys with fermentation locks, bubbling away. At that time, he was running the QC lab at the fruit processing company where he worked and he took advantage of the instruments he had at his disposal. And of course he was a voracious reader, and took his hobby very seriously.
Most of the wine we drank at home, he made. Every time one of his adult children came for a visit, they usually left with 4-6 bottles. Eventually, he realized he was providing free wine for about 5 families!

He could have left them on the skins-it gives you “orange wine.” Never having had any, I can’t tell you if that’s a good idea or not.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:26:38pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:27:22pm

I have fallen in love with this youtube channel. It’s called siwa (pronounced “shee-wah”), which means “wrinkles.” It’s meant to celebrate the wisdom of Japanese women who were born before WWII who share a bit about themselves while talking about the traditional foods that they cook for celebrations or other things—their wrinkles are badges of honor. This one is from the Sea of Japan side from a mountain village. The featured woman talks of how she goes to the mountains (yama no sat to collect its bounty while using their own farm-grown foods. I know that the subtitles are hard to read, but it’s just part of the feature.

Grandma’s Recipes|さつこおばあちゃんのおせち

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:28:24pm

I’m thinking about getting kegs of beer and restarting my soda stream, we go through so much garbage at the house I want to try to reduce waste. I really only drink like a 12 pack a month, but I have guests that do and it can fill up a garbage quick with empty bottles. Also I may drink more if it’s on tap which is probably not good for me.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:29:04pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty much failed every time I tried to make wine. Our town in Italy was in the only region with bad wine, but Soave and Valpolicella were only an hour away. Good wine in volume was 80 cents a litre.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:30:31pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Years from now, people will wonder why Walt Disney kept holding the first two fingers of his right hand together in such a peculiar way…

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:31:20pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Pretty much failed every time I tried to make wine. Our town in Italy was in the only region with bad wine, but Soave and Valpolicella were only an hour away. Good wine inf volume was 80 cents a litre.

One of my best friends in high school wrote me a letter from France when he was an exchange student: “my god, wine is cheaper than water here!”

That friend has been sober for 30 years. I wonder how much he remembers of France….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:31:28pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

Years from now, people will wonder why Walt Disney kept holding the first two fingers of his right hand together in such a peculiar way…

Mouse Power symbol.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:31:35pm

vox.com

On Wall Street, there are rich guys, and then there are very rich guys. And in the first camp, there are a surprising number who think an Elizabeth Warren presidency would not be the apocalypse.

“You know what I like about Warren? Warren doesn’t want my money, actually,” said one mid-level hedge fund executive who has already maxed out on his donation to the Massachusetts Democrat in the 2020 presidential primary. “My firm is great, but some people in the industry are scumbags.”…

I spoke with more than three dozen people from across the financial sector — professionals who work at hedge funds, big banks, and private equity funds, in asset management, financial advice, investment banking, trading, research, and compliance — who support Warren’s presidential bid. They know if she lands in the White House that may make their jobs a bit different, their companies a little less lucrative, or mean they’ll pay more in taxes. And they think that’s great. They support Warren because of her policies, not in spite of them.

“Even though, on a personal basis, Elizabeth Warren may be bad for me economically, she would be better for society, which I want my kids to grow up in,” a director at Citi told me…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:33:56pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

I snorked.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:34:16pm

re: #213 Jay C

Good news, but the only poll that’s going to count is the one on 11/3/20. And third-party challenger or not, I can’t see the SC GOP not pulling out all the stops to return a longtime party hack like Lindsey Graham; impeachment drama notwithstanding. I’ll shoot Jaime a few bucks mid-month just in case, though: like the lottery, you never know until you play…

The only third party candidate I can find is some loon named David Weikle, who ran for a state house seat in 2018 and lost and is the host of Swamp Fox Radio. Never heard of him and he doesn’t sound like much of a threat.

There are already 4 other Republicans who’ve declared to run against Lindsey (none of whom I’ve even heard of, and none of the names that ran against him last time and lost badly.) At one point Eric Boling and (ew) Mark Burns and a couple of others have run their mouths about challenging him.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:34:17pm

re: #251 Belafon

Reload

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:34:31pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

one of the characters is involved in a business that removes smoking scenes from old movies for the television and video markets.

I remember years ago, when movies and television started moving to digital (DVDs at that point, I want to say), there was a company that tried doing something similar, basically editing R rated movies to make them PG or whatever, and they basically got shut down for violating copyright laws.

Also, fun fact, Disney might not actually own the copyrights on many of those photos (depending on circumstances) and may actually be violating copyright laws by changing them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:35:17pm

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

I have fallen in love with this youtube channel. It’s called siwa (pronounced “shee-wah”), which means “wrinkles.” It’s meant to celebrate the wisdom of Japanese women who were born before WWII who share a bit about themselves while talking about the traditional foods that they cook for celebrations or other things—their wrinkles are badges of honor. This one is from the Sea of Japan side from a mountain village. The featured woman talks of how she goes to the mountains (yama no sat to collect its bounty while using their own farm-grown foods. I know that the subtitles are hard to read, but it’s just part of the feature.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:37:59pm

re: #251 Belafon

From a very slightly cynical position, a Warren presidency with a focus on monopoly breaking would be good for Wall Street. It means many more things for people to invest in. And then they can make money in 10-12 years when they are start merging again. That’s more or less what happened with AT&T - broken up and 25 years later it’s basically MaBell again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:40:20pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Pretty much failed every time I tried to make wine. Our town in Italy was in the only region with bad wine, but Soave and Valpolicella were only an hour away. Good wine inf volume was 80 cents a litre.

Back in the 70s when Dad started, Pennsylvania still had very strict rules on wine and liquor sales. “State Stores” worked like pharmacies. There was a big high counter you had to go up to and ask for something from the catalog - and ONLY from the catalog - like the kid trying to buy rubbers from druggist Ralph Bellamy in “Amazon Women On The Moon”. I think the whole point was to make anyone who bought alcohol feel ashamed.

You could, and we did, buy wine and liquor in Maryland, though it was illegal, but Dad really enjoyed making wine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:41:07pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:43:56pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:47:28pm
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Teukka  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:49:48pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:53:53pm

Note to astronomy types: A transit of Mercury will take place in 6 days. It will be in full daylight in the East US, start before dawn at the longitude of Flagstaff. (The whole passage takes about 5 hours.) It’s fairly simple to rig a cheap refractor for safe eyepiece projection, just like a solar eclipse viewing.

Details:
universetoday.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:56:06pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Note to astronomy types: A transit of Mercury will take place in 6 days. It will be in full daylight in the East US, start before dawn at the longitude of Flagstaff. (The whole passage takes about 5 hours.) It’s fairly simple to rig a cheap refractor for safe eyepiece projection, just like a solar eclipse viewing.

Details:
universetoday.com

So, not like this, then?

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:56:41pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Hypothetically, if there was actual movement for a constitutional amendment for the popular election of the president and vice-president, do you think it should include citizens in territories and overseas? Or should it be limited to citizens within the States and DC?

I’d lean towards everyone, but I thought it was an interesting question… yes, these are the sorts of things I randomly think about when I have down time.

I lean towards everybody, too, since every citizen is affected by it and denying the franchise to any set of citizens seems contrary to representative government.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:56:59pm

BTW, the evening news had a follow-up report on last week’s racist incident at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Naperville, IL. The company’s response was pretty much as predicted:

- BWW issued a formal public apology
- the responsible employees have been fired.
- “sensitivity training” mandated for all (?corporate?)
- racist customer banned from all BWW for life.

Still a disgrace, but a sign, at least, that national corporations can’t get away with tolerating this crap. Much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:57:51pm

re: #262 Teukka

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and the man in the weird suit is sweaty, green, and vomiting.

He claims it’s food poisoning…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:58:02pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

So, not like this, then?

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Nah, He can do it that way. They let you do that when you’re a star.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:58:17pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:59:15pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still say that as it was the accepted designation until rather recently

that is true. I suppose I should be allowing for force of habit. But fuck Lindsay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 3:59:26pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Note to astronomy types: A transit of Mercury will take place in 6 days. It will be in full daylight in the East US, start before dawn at the longitude of Flagstaff. (The whole passage takes about 5 hours.) It’s fairly simple to rig a cheap refractor for safe eyepiece projection, just like a solar eclipse viewing.

Details:
universetoday.com

Taurid meteor shower peaks tonight with possible fireballs for those who have clear skies.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:00:48pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:01:10pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

Taurids meteor shower peaks tonight with possible fireballs for those who have clear skies.

Sounds like a load of bull. (No joy here, clouds.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:01:49pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a load of bull. (No joy here, clouds.)

no joy here either.

craps…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:02:39pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

no joy here either.

craps…

As long as it rains on Bevins’ parade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:03:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:03:53pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:05:41pm

re: #265 Jebediah, RBG

I lean towards everybody, too, since every citizen is affected by it and denying the franchise to any set of citizens seems contrary to representative government.

It does make sense when you consider that the presidency and vice-presidency are the only two offices that in theory serve the interests of the entire nation.

Speaking of, I’d also say that if we got there, there should be separate ballots for president and vice president if we got to popular elections. But that’s just me.

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Mescalero09  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:07:02pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:08:38pm

re: #266 Jay C

BTW, the evening news had a follow-up report on last week’s racist incident at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Naperville, IL. The company’s response was pretty much as predicted:

- BWW issued a formal public apology
- the responsible employees have been fired.
- “sensitivity training” mandated for all (?corporate?)
- racist customer banned from all BWW for life.

Still a disgrace, but a sign, at least, that national corporations can’t get away with tolerating this crap. Much.

The bolded is really the only part that concerns me, as based upon what we’d heard both in the original FB post and the news reports, it seemed like the issue really lay with the managers as the host and waitress involved only seemed to be acting upon some unofficial policy. Having worked in the service industry for years, I’ve seen too many cases of employees getting fired for stupid shit that management got a pass for.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:10:12pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a load of bull. (No joy here, clouds.)

Too much light pollution (for lack of a better term) in southern California. Most nights we only see the brightest of stars.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:12:01pm

Beshear has an early lead in the Ky Gov race over the incumbent Gov. Bevin. It looks like Kentucky may get its first African-American Attorney General, Daniel Cameron. Problem is, he’s a McConnell acolyte.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:12:08pm

re: #272 gocart mozart

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Shorter Paul: “We don’t care that there’s a fire, we want to know who the fuck called the firefighters!”

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:13:51pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Jesus, who would have thought that Ron would be the sensible Paul…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:14:00pm

Rand Paul is about as good a lawyer as you’d expect a self-licensed ophthalmologist to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:15:21pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:16:14pm

re: #243 calochortus

He could have left them on the skins-it gives you “orange wine.” Never having had any, I can’t tell you if that’s a good idea or not.

I had a lot of orange wine/amber wine in Georgia.

It’s interesting. Lots of herbal notes.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:16:51pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Shorter Paul: “We don’t care that there’s a fire, we want to know who the fuck called the firefighters!”

“And how do we know he didn’t start the fire in the first place?”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:17:22pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Teukka  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:17:54pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the man in the weird suit is sweaty, green, and vomiting.

He claims it’s food poisoning…

I think it may be nausea over knowing that the house of cards is about to collapse.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:18:01pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:18:38pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:19:43pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

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Two words: “Uncanny valley.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:21:10pm

re: #293 Targetpractice

Two words: “Uncanny valley.”

Yeah. Her especially, though he kinda looks like somebody who plays a werewolf in cheesy 1970s horror flicks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:22:39pm

re: #290 Teukka

I think it may be nausea over knowing that the house of cards is about to collapse.

really sucks when one’s get out of jail free card is suddenly all ashes…

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:22:45pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the man in the weird suit is sweaty, green, and vomiting.

He claims it’s food poisoning…

The judge should have sent him to recover in a jail cell.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:22:51pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

That’s the dude from Journey? Oh noes.

(I know it isn’t, but he’s a dead ringer)

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:24:07pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:24:35pm

*spit*

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:25:50pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Her especially, though he kinda looks like somebody who plays a werewolf in cheesy 1970s horror flicks.

That is the face of a man desperately trying to be cool enough to confidently solicit sex from a teenager in the back of a comic book shop.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:27:45pm

re: #300 The Ghost of a Flea

That is the face of a man desperately trying to be cool enough to confidently solicit sex from a teenager in the back of a comic book shop.

He looks like a character played by Billy Bob Thornton. Not LIKE Billy Bob Thornton, but like a character he’d play.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:28:01pm

re: #297 BigPapa

That’s the dude from Journey? Oh noes.

(I know it isn’t, but he’s a dead ringer)

LOL, it is the dude from Journey
At the close of 2014, musician Jonathan Cain of the Journey rock band finalized his divorce from his second wife and became engaged to White. On April 27, 2015, the couple married.[64]
en.wikipedia.org

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:29:42pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

LOL, it is the dude from Journey
At the close of 2014, musician Jonathan Cain of the Journey rock band finalized his divorce from his second wife and became engaged to White. On April 27, 2015, the couple married.[64]
en.wikipedia.org

Fake Gnus
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:30:30pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

Is he the dude that played the keyboard against the wall in one of their videos?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:30:32pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

So in other words…high level of Venn diagram overlap between your description and mine?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:30:34pm

This was me doing my dissertation:

“Hi Twitter, just here to tell you that instead of going to the bank, which I voluntarily choose to manage, Ima stay home and clean my kitchen, including the spice rack.”

IF OTHER PROFESSIONALS TALKED ABOUT THEIR JOBS THE WAY WRITERS DO
by SHANNON REED

mcsweeneys.net

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:30:42pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:31:29pm

re: #305 The Ghost of a Flea

So in other words…high level of Venn diagram overlap between your description and mine?

Definitely.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:31:36pm

From Cain’s Wiki LOL:

In April 2015, he married right-wing minister Paula White.[5] This is the third marriage for both of them. They currently reside in Apopka, Florida, where they take turns making bad plastic surgery decisions and reflecting on the many reasons Donald Trump was sent here by god to dismantle democracy and spread racist, sexist rhetoric.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:32:03pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:34:12pm

re: #309 Ace Rothstein

That didn’t last long….

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:34:21pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

really sucks when one’s get out of jail free card is suddenly all ashes…

…when one smacks face first into reality
(which doesnt give a damn what you thought about it)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:37:46pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s early and polls are still open in western Kentucky, but:

danger sez:
there is no pattern to how precincts report
election night handicapping is a fools errand

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:39:47pm

Well, I voted for what little it’s worth.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:43:28pm

I saved this picture to post whenever I run across a MAGA Christian

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:49:38pm

But of course…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:49:51pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

Sadly, he’s a guitar player for one of my favorite rock bands, Journey. It’s amazing to me that Paula White is a pastor who has been married four times. Trying to not be judgmental but I bet she hypocritically condemns LGBTs like the rest of her Evangelical comrades.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:50:18pm

Bevin is going to win, isn’t he.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:51:17pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:52:09pm

re: #317 BeachDem

But of course…

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And soon we’ll be told about what a “bestseller” it is and how that’s a sign that Uday is “destined for greatness.”

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piratedan  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:52:45pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

not a done deal yet, some very positive Dem vote tallies are also coming in and despite that, its a stretch to begin with, but there are positive signs

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:53:06pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

Bevin is going to win, isn’t he.

No idea where most of the votes are coming from. Virginia’s more Republican friendly counties and precincts get counted first here usually.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:53:50pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:54:12pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

Bevin is going to win, isn’t he.

Its very close and Louisville hasn’t reported yet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:54:35pm

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

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Rand is such a pathetic hack.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:57:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:57:54pm

re: #327 Patricia Kayden

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Man that’s even worse than I thought.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:58:45pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Rand is such a pathetic hack.

They all are. Every last one.

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2019 • 4:59:13pm

Look at the delightful tRumpster car I parked behind today. The fake news license plate holder is lovely.
It had one of those save the baby humans stickers on it also.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:01:06pm

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

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While it’s easy to assume they’re all just a bunch of idiots, we should be mindful that the effort to portray the inquiry as a “trial” for the purposes of whining about who is and isn’t being questioned could be about setting up acquittal in the Senate as their rejecting an “unfair” trial.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:05:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:05:38pm

in the theme of Roger Daltry…

Goodbye Hugh Fitzcairn

this is sooooo good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:11:51pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

No idea where most of the votes are coming from. Virginia’s more Republican friendly counties and precincts get counted first here usually.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:12:34pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thanks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:13:34pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:14:34pm

CNN has Beshear with a 14k vote lead with 79% of the vote in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:14:39pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:14:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:15:18pm

re: #339 Patricia Kayden

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Yay!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:15:24pm

sigh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:16:56pm

I’m not celebrating yet…

but holding my breath…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:17:43pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:17:45pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

In 4 or 8 years, he may be Kentucky’s 1st African-American Governor.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:18:23pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bevin is a fucking asshole.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:19:17pm

Nobody could stand next to a wall like Steve Perry. Nobody.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:20:15pm

re: #344 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In 4 or 8 years, he may be Kentucky’s 1st African-American Governor.

jfc, I hope not

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:20:27pm

re: #345 Ace Rothstein

Bevin is a fucking asshole.

With the right candidate, a bad GOPer can still lose in Ky. Something for McConnell to worry about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:20:44pm
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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:21:49pm

CNN #s

candidate % votes
Beshear 50.2% 616,588
Bevin 47.8% 587,777
Hicks 2.0% 24,215
processing, est. 88% in
updated 8:19 pm ET, Nov. 5

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:21:56pm

Rand Paul is also a moron

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:22:10pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc, I hope not

As AG, he’s the presumptive frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:23:08pm

Lre: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand Paul is also a moron

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Except Trump admitted it and others have collaborated it. STFU Rand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:23:45pm

re: #352 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As AG, he’s the presumptive frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

well, the Andy and the dems need to make sure that frontrunner for GOP nomination isn’t good enough to be the governor.

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Weaselone  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:24:11pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

He sounds like he’s going to be great for Kentucky’s opioid epidemic.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:24:47pm

re: #350 BeachDem

CNN #s

candidate % votes
Beshear 50.2% 616,588
Bevin 47.8% 587,777
Hicks 2.0% 24,215
processing, est. 88% in
updated 8:19 pm ET, Nov. 5

Until it’s 100% counted or the D lead is so overwhelming that it cannot be overturned, I ignore any potentially good news — there have been too many times when a significant lead vanishes because the remaining votes are from hostile territory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:25:10pm

Kenton County is a huge GOP, Chambers of Commerce, and Americans for Prosperity stronghold:

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:26:42pm

re: #356 Hecuba’s daughter

“Oh look at all these ballots I found in this here trunk, my bad”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:28:11pm

Kenton County should have been a HUGE blowout win for Bevin.

~400 vote margin is not a huge win

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:29:18pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kenton County is a huge GOP, Chambers of Commerce, and Americans for Prosperity stronghold:

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Who would Hicks be drawing votes from? If from Bevin, then thank him; if Beshear, fuck him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:29:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:29:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:32:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:32:58pm

I have a new Dem State Senator who is Patton Oswalt endorsed instead of Bashar Al Assad endorsing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:34:03pm
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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:37:43pm

Small potatoes, I know, but in our city council race (elect 3), my guy is currently in 5th and my nemesis is in 4th. Two of the incumbents have been declared and the third incumbent, who at one time was Dem party chair but now won’t admit to being a Dem, is in 3rd. (non-partisan election)

Some asshole (Republican) sent out a really nasty letter about my candidate—digging dirt, pretty much blaming him for any crime in the city. (he was on council before). I hate these people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:38:52pm

re: #366 BeachDem

Small potatoes, I know, but in our city council race (elect 3), my guy is currently in 5th and my nemesis is in 4th. Two of the incumbents have been declared and the third incumbent, who at one time was Dem party chair but now won’t admit to being a Dem, is in 3rd. (non-partisan election)

Some asshole (Republican) sent out a really nasty letter about my candidate—digging dirt, pretty much blaming him for any crime in the city. (he was on council before). I hate these people.

My brother just moved to a new state. Impressed on both him and my SiL how important local politics is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:39:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:39:51pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Virginia is getting as blue as my eyes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:39:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:40:29pm

Mind you, I fear that tomorrow, Bill Mitchell will be using this tweet as proof of voter fraud….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:40:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:40:46pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We have the state senate here too. No word on HoD tho.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:41:05pm

I loved our two years in Lexington, KY. Unlike New England, where I live now, it was a place that you could take advantage of the intersection of modernity and Christianity such that on a Sunday morning, stores were open but were mostly empty. Here, if there’s a Pats game at 1PM, the fucking Market Basket is filled with Patriot-jersey yahoos DEFYING THE WILL OF THE LORD by shopping during church hours and my time slot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:41:09pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Virginia is getting as blue as my eyes.

Which, never having met you, I have no way of knowing that this means.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:41:12pm

hahahahahahahahahaaaa

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:41:18pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My district. John’s a pleasant man. Perfect for the district.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:41:40pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

Which, never having met you, I have no way of knowing that this means.

Well I have really blue eyes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:42:12pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahahahaaaa

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Hey he’s the one who said it not the media haha.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:42:15pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahahahaaaa

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Please god!

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:43:11pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kenton County should have been a HUGE blowout win for Bevin.

~400 vote margin is not a huge win

CNN shows Kenton for Beshear by 543 votes with 100% in.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:43:16pm

Ya know, it would be fucking great if Trump got booed at the Bama-LSU game. Not gonna happen, but it would be great.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:44:15pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:46:39pm

Dumb question… Was it only VA and KY voting today?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:47:15pm

I just got home from the polls. For my division everything seemed to work out fine. The new machines for the most part worked great. Almost everyone liked them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:47:29pm

re: #384 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dumb question… Was it only VA and KY voting today?

Well, we had ONE SINGLE RACE here in San Mateo. School board.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:47:33pm

re: #382 Barefoot Grin

It’s in Tusca-fucking-loosa, lol.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:47:40pm

re: #384 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dumb question… Was it only VA and KY voting today?

Mississippi governor as well.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:48:33pm

re: #384 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

No PA and Philly had elections too. Philly was picking a Mayor, City Council, Register of Wills, Judges and some Questions.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:51:04pm

Has Kentucky gov race been officially called yet?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:51:49pm

re: #386 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, we had ONE SINGLE RACE here in San Mateo. School board.

Matters too. I met the Dem running for school board here at an event. Real nice guy. Has a couple kids a little older than my niece. Said one of his issues was reducing class size and hiring more teachers.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:51:58pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:53:54pm

Most Massachusetts munis, including mine, hold local elections in off-years. I’m engaging someone on Twitter who thinks off-years elections contribute to disenfranchisement. I’m not sure of that one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:54:00pm

re: #381 BeachDem

CNN shows Kenton for Beshear by 543 votes with 100% in.

Kenton County Clerk has corrected:

this is even more huge

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:54:58pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kenton County Clerk has corrected:

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this is even more huge

I hope Mitch is sweating into a bourbon bottle right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:55:04pm

re: #384 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dumb question… Was it only VA and KY voting today?

Mississippi voting for gov today, too

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:55:47pm

re: #393 Sherlock Hound

Most Massachusetts munis, including mine, hold local elections in off-years. I’m engaging someone on Twitter who thinks off-years elections contribute to disenfranchisement. I’m not sure of that one.

We’re used to it here. Doesn’t leave for much time to relax but it does keep us engaged.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:55:49pm

Remember that guy, was it Brian?

He was a dick, but boy did he post the best election night breakdowns

#tolerance

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:56:53pm

re: #398 Stanley Sea

Remember that guy, was it Brian?

He was a dick, but boy did he post the best election night breakdowns

#tolerance

he only shows up when there are those pesky progressive women on the ballot

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:57:07pm

re: #398 Stanley Sea

Remember that guy, was it Brian?

He was a dick, but boy did he post the best election night breakdowns

#tolerance

Yes it’s too bad that he let his hate of AOC get in the way of discussion.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:57:38pm

I would call BS on anyone but Costa:

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:58:23pm

I won’t link his tweet, but even Dim Jim has conceded that Bevin lost.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:59:03pm

re: #390 Ace Rothstein

Has Kentucky gov race been officially called yet?

Its really too close to call.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:59:15pm

re: #371 Blind Frog Belly White

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Mind you, I fear that tomorrow, Bill Mitchell will be using this tweet as proof of voter fraud….

lol

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 5:59:51pm

Lex18 just called it: Andy Beshear (D) wins Kentucky governor’s race.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:00:27pm

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

he only shows up when there are those pesky progressive women on the ballot

He was very anti democratic and sexist and bigoted in no particular order.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:02:08pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:02:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:04:26pm

re: #407 Stanley Sea

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Women have led the way here. A lot of the women who flipped seats last time like Kathy Tran, Danica Roem, Wendy Gooditis, & I know I’m missing others are retaining them. My delegate candidate isn’t looking hot but we include a bit of the Red counties here since my district also has Faqauier and Clarke.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:05:32pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, the Andy and the dems need to make sure that frontrunner for GOP nomination isn’t good enough to be the governor.

I’m guessing Cameron will run for relection as AG in 2023, then runs for Governor in 2027, since he’s so young. Could be a good VP candidate for the GOP in 2032.

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piratedan  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:05:40pm

re: #409 HappyWarrior

spent some of my formative youth in Gainesville, beautiful country there

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:05:46pm

Women of all backgrounds I must stress too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:06:43pm

re: #411 piratedan

spent some of my formative youth in Gainesville, beautiful country there

I’m near Leesburg.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:07:14pm

re: #410 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m guessing Cameron will run for relection as AG in 2023, then runs for Governor in 2027, since he’s so young. Could be a good VP candidate for the GOP in 2032.

How old is he?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:07:25pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:08:05pm

re: #407 Stanley Sea

Best infrastructure week ever!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:08:31pm

re: #410 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m guessing Cameron will run for relection as AG in 2023, then runs for Governor in 2027, since he’s so young. Could be a good VP candidate for the GOP in 2032.

If there’s any deity up there, there won’t be a GOP in 2032.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:09:25pm

More good news. Democrats win control of Virginia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:09:37pm

Something about Daniel Cameron…he was Mitch McConnell’s legal counsel and also leans heavily on his connections to McConnell and Trump.

Might not be something that serves him well in the future.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:09:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:11:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:11:53pm

re: #418 NO SMOCKING GUN!

More good news. Democrats win control of Virginia.

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It hasn’t been like this since my parents were kids and a segregationist Harry Byrd influenced the state Democratic Party. Today’s Va Democrats have people of all backgrounds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:12:29pm

and the hits keep coming!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:13:19pm

heh

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:13:39pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

How old is he?

Probably about 33.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:14:22pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Narrator: They did let it happen to him and Trump never went to Kentucky ever again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:14:24pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:15:43pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many dummies behind him read transcripts? None would be my guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:15:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:16:16pm

re: #428 Amory Blaine

How many dummies behind him read transcripts? None would be my guess.

how many can read the t-shirts…

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:16:46pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:16:52pm

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:18:13pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:18:42pm

re: #428 Amory Blaine

How many dummies behind him read transcripts? None would be my guess.

As long as the check clears they don’t care.

Craigslist pays.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:19:27pm

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

By my math I think at this point Beshear has won this race by 6,000 votes… but we await the AP call for now. #kygov

Ya gettin’ that Doug Jones feeling yet? It’s nice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:19:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:19:54pm

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And this is why I don’t feel bad his neighbor attacked him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:20:40pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:20:51pm

re: #434 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

As long as the check clears they don’t care.

Craigslist pays.

Meet at the gas station or other public place with these crooks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:22:20pm

*snerk*

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:22:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:24:21pm

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:24:52pm

re: #441 goddamnedfrank

Is it nepotism when the son didn’t really write the book?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:25:04pm

re: #441 goddamnedfrank

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Palin did it, all the RWNJ’s do it. They give them as “gifts” to their supporters.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:25:28pm

re: #442 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The bow shock is in my mouth.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:26:02pm

All this drama over the whistleblower is semantic as RW radio has been yammering his name for a week.

Unless they’re wrong and it’s somebody else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:26:49pm

re: #444 Stanley Sea

Palin did it, all the RWNJ’s do it. They give them as “gifts” to their supporters.

that’s how they all manage to get on NYT best seller book lists

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:28:12pm
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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:29:20pm

So with Bevin’s defeat in KY, what does this make Trump’s record for election endorsements?

I realize it’s not 0 - for - whatever, since I think a few safe-seat (R)s he’s pumped for have actually won, but I’m guessing his overall record is pretty poor. Like 1962 Mets-level poor….

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:30:10pm

So Kentucky should reassure Democrats scared of Trump. In a deep red state a very unpopular governor lost. Trump is also deeply unpopular, and the country isn’t deep red.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:30:59pm

re: #449 Jay C

So with Bevin’s defeat in KY, what does this make Trump’s record for election endorsements?

I realize it’s not 0 - for - whatever, since I think a few safe-seat (R)s he’s pumped for have actually won, but I’m guessing his overall record is pretty poor. Like 1962 Mets-level poor….

Can’t Anybody Here Play This Game?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:34:01pm

ice halo around the moon tonight

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:40:39pm

re: #418 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They won the House too? I’m watching MSNBC and I guess they haven’t called the House as yet.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:41:25pm

re: #453 Patricia Kayden

They won the House too? I’m watching MSNBC and I guess they haven’t called the House as yet.

That is what I heard on CNN.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:02:18am

re: #251 Belafon

vox.com

The last part is what I don’t think a lot of conservatives understand. Society is not a zero sum game.


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