The Bob Cesca Podcast: Tiny Trump Gets Tinier

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Leifert & Leifert:

Tiny Trump Gets Tinier — NSFW! Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Election Day; Chaos in the Roger Stone trial today; Trump formally withdraws from the Paris Climate Accords; Mick Mulvaney asked to testify in the impeachment investigation; Senate preparing for the trial of Donald Trump; Trump warns Red Hats about the government takeover of Medicare; Trump also says Virginia’s governor executed a baby; The next government shutdown; Sondland confirms the extortion of Ukraine; Lev Parnas is cooperating thanks to Trump; Trump always makes things worse for Trump; The scary NYT battleground poll; With music by Christian Nesmith and Cloud Party; and more!

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424 comments

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:37:59pm

Beshear takes out Bevin and now the Democrats take over the Virginia State Senate.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:38:59pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon 🌹

A Mississippi is still out there. Even it could go “bad”.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:40:45pm

from last thread:

re: #450 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So Kentucky should reassure Democrats scared of Trump. In a deep red state a very unpopular governor lost. Trump is also deeply unpopular, and the country isn’t deep red.

Well, with all but 19 of KY’s 3659 reporting, it looks like a definite, if narrow victory for Andy Beshear (via NYT): 7600 or so votes out of 1.439M. What’s interesting is the 2% (28,800 votes) the Libertarian candidate got: I wonder how those would have sorted out in a two-man race?

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:41:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:42:23pm

snatching whatever victory he can get:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:42:50pm

re: #4 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sure, Jan…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:43:13pm

NYT, party pooper

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:44:37pm

re: #3 Jay C

from last thread:

Well, with all but 19 of KY’s 3659 reporting, it looks like a definite, if narrow victory for Andy Beshear (via NYT): 7600 or so votes out of 1.439M. What’s interesting is the 2% (28,800 votes) the Libertarian candidate got: I wonder how those would have sorted out in a two-man race?

You would think to Bevin, though not being popular some may have voted Beshear or not voted at all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:45:53pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:46:18pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sure, Jan…

And VA was a fluke. And fecking pence’s home town. Flukes! Flukes, I say!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:46:20pm
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:47:53pm

Anti-Nostradamus or Fake News:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:48:18pm

re: #8 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You would think to Bevin, though not being popular some may have voted Beshear or not voted at all.

this map I posted downstairs show some blue counties that were never blue before, and other counties that are not the normally expected bright red.

Especially in Eastern Kentucky, where voters were really pissed at Bevin.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:49:28pm

It’s just so satisfying watching Bevin go up in smoke.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:51:20pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did Hazard go blue?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:52:23pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Did Hazard go blue?

nope

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:06pm

re: #12 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:08pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

this map I posted downstairs show some blue counties that were never blue before, and other counties that are not the normally expected bright red.

Especially in Eastern Kentucky, where voters were really pissed at Bevin.

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He fucked Kynect right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:14pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

nope

but it did go pink

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:14pm

Steve Beshear was a popular governor, and won handily only 8 years ago. Andy was the perfect choice to take down Bevin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:53:52pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

He fucked Kynect right?

yes he did

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:54:56pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

He fucked Kynect right?

Yep, maybe the best state exchange, flushed down the toilet. I don’t know if it can be resurrected; probably not.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:55:13pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

He fucked Kynect right?

And remember back in 2014 McConnell promised that Kynect would be spared after he repealed Obamacare.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:55:35pm

Waiting for the Trump-humpers to complain about ZOMG MOST OF KENTUCKY VOTED FOR BEVIN THE DEMOCRATS CHEATED!!!!!1!111

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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:56:00pm

The election is very close and the GOP is full of criminals not to be trusted.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:56:40pm
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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:56:41pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

this map I posted downstairs show some blue counties that were never blue before, and other counties that are not the normally expected bright red.

Especially in Eastern Kentucky, where voters were really pissed at Bevin.

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And the poorest county in the US, McCreary County, went for Bevin 68.5%.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:57:02pm

re: #4 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Matt Bevin was a haggis filled with the dangerous malarkey the Republican Party has carried around like a teratomic twin.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:57:08pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Waiting for the Trump-humpers to complain about ZOMG MOST OF KENTUCKY VOTED FOR BEVIN THE DEMOCRATS CHEATED!!!!!1!111

I don’t expect Bevin to concede tonight.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:57:57pm

re: #30 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t expect Bevin to concede tonight.

That would be most out of character.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 6:58:31pm

from CNN a few minutes ago:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:00:06pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:00:23pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

This seems a little faster:
vox.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:02:50pm

Bevin is already whining

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:04:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:04:39pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:05:18pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:06:23pm

re: #18 Joe Bacon 🌹

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:06:42pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bevin is already whining

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Its what Republicans do. Count on a recount battle.

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Disloyal Archangel  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:06:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:08:17pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:08:33pm

Chuck Todd is just another mediocre white man taking up space that should be reserved for someone that knows how to work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:08:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:11:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:11:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:12:26pm

AP now says too close to call

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:12:45pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Chuck Todd is just another mediocre white man taking up space that should be reserved for someone that knows how to work.

And he’s their “numbers guy” who’s dumber than a tree.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:12:51pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:13:06pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Its amazing how teetering on the brink of fascism is goosing voter turnout.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:13:18pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

AP now says too close to call

They have to hedge. Everybody’s gunshy after Bush v. Gore.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:14:33pm

The Mueller report is to be a comic book graphic nonfiction book. I’ll wait for the anime.

“The Mueller Report Illustrated” to be published by The Washington Post and Scribner — A graphic nonfiction book of the special counsel’s obstruction investigation — Scribner and The Washington Post, which teamed together in April 2019 to produce the #1 bestselling book edition of The Mueller Report …

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plansbandc  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:14:40pm

re: #51 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also, we have to wait for the hacking and voting machines to change their votes.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:15:14pm

re: #51 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They have to hedge. Everybody’s gunshy after Bush v. Gore.

Clinton V Trump. Except for us olds.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:15:27pm

And now back to OH.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:15:41pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Chuck Todd is just another mediocre white man taking up space that should be reserved for someone that knows how to work.

There’s pretty much an agreement by all the mediocre, often-wrong pundits to never ever talk about how there’s an fucking industry of mediocre, often-wrong pundits that have jobs because they can play-act being clever, while having nothing truly complicated or deep to say. Like a gossip columnist that can drop college-sophomore level references and is a middle-aged white dude.

I don’t even have an artful historical comparison. It’s just a dick-sucking ourouboros.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:16:17pm

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

Clinton V Trump. Except for us olds.

I was like, wait a minute, I know it was nearly 20 years ago but come on. Then it hit me - nearly 20 years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:16:18pm

niterz lizardz

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:17:57pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:18:11pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:19:41pm

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s pretty much an agreement by all the mediocre, often-wrong pundits to never ever talk about how there’s an fucking industry of mediocre, often-wrong pundits that have jobs because they can play-act being clever, while having nothing truly complicated or deep to say. Like a gossip columnist that can drop college-sophomore level references and is a middle-aged white dude.

I don’t even have an artful historical comparison. It’s just a dick-sucking ourouboros.

Stolen!. Maybe these people can try thinking and speaking without the aid of a cylindrical object that is not a microphone, in their mouths.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:19:51pm

fuck

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:20:08pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:20:42pm

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

…paid for by rich people who don’t want to admit they mostly got lucky and/or were subsidized in their success, and thus have a MIGHTY NEED for an entire eunuch pseudointellectual class to tell them just-so stories….

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:21:13pm

re: #23 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Kynect dropped the uninsured rate from 22% to 9% in two years, so of course a Republican destroyed it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:22:18pm

Bevin bites the bag.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:22:47pm
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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:25:49pm

I’m still sorta numb that Beshear won. The bad news has been an onslaught for 3 years.

I think after it percolates maybe I’ll be a little more jacked up. But for the moment, I hate these motherfuckers for this nightmare. You bastards. But another blue dot, another wingnut fucksmush gone.. I will enjoy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:26:17pm

re: #63 Ace Rothstein

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Did that Dick Die Nasty guy join ISIS?

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:27:15pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:27:17pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:29:16pm

re: #70 jaunte

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Talking politics with a male model. Fox News!

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:29:35pm

Well, the latest update for KY at the NYT - with all precincts reporting - gives Beshear a lead of just 4658 votes (711,955 to 707,297), so Bevin’s so-far lack-of-concession isn’t JUST the usual GOP nonsense. But even though it isn’t a blowout (sadly), that sort of lead doesn’t seem like it would be likely to change much, if at all, via a recount.

Dunno: suppose it depends on what sort of system KY uses?

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:31:21pm

Anyone here know what triggers an automatic recount in Kentucky?

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:31:56pm

Trump is depressing R turnout.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:32:13pm

re: #73 Jay C

Well, the latest update for KY at the NYT - with all precincts reporting - gives Beshear a lead of just 4658 votes (711,955 to 707,297), so Bevin’s so-far lack-of-concession isn’t JUST the usual GOP nonsense. But even though it isn’t a blowout (sadly), that sort of lead doesn’t seem like it would be likely to change much, if at all, via a recount.

Dunno: suppose it depends on what sort of system KY uses?

In my precinct, we have a choice of either a paper ballot which is scanned or a machine. I ALWAYS choose the paper ballot.

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calochortus  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:32:19pm

re: #74 Ace Rothstein

Anyone here know what triggers an automatic recount in Kentucky?

If I understood correctly, KY doesn’t have automatic recounts. They have to be requested and paid for by the requesting party.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:33:17pm

re: #77 calochortus

Found it.

In general elections, any candidate for state, county, district, or city office can request a recount, with the exception of candidates for the offices of governor, lieutenant governor, and General Assembly member. In these latter cases, a candidate who has won at least 25 percent of the votes cast for the successful candidate for the office in question can contest the election, which entails a recount. Candidates are liable for the costs associated with a recount.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:33:34pm

re: #77 calochortus

If I understood correctly, KY doesn’t have automatic recounts. They have to be requested and paid for by the requesting party.

You are correct

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:34:14pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:34:17pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:38:22pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:40:19pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:41:28pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:41:32pm

re: #82 The Pie Overlord!

I remind our readership that Mike Pence was on track to get his ass thoroughly kicked in Indiana until he hitched his wagon to the Trump train.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:42:55pm

Great night!!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:43:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:43:53pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Chuck Todd is just another mediocre white man taking up space that should be reserved for someone that knows how to work.

And somebody blocked me when I suggested NBC needs to fire Chuck U and hire Joy for Meet The Press!

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:44:18pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:45:49pm

Those three counties in northern Kentucky that helped Beshear win tonight are three of HUNDREDS nationwide that lean Republican but are sick of Trump’s shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:47:20pm

re: #89 jaunte

Is there a lawyer here who can answer this? Wasn’t the legislation on the ERA amendment time-limited so that passing it at this point does not cause it to be part of the constitution? that the amendment would have to be resubmitted with either a new time limit or no limit on passage?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:48:54pm
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calochortus  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:50:39pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

Is there a lawyer here who can answer this? Wasn’t the legislation on the ERA amendment time-limited so that passing it at this point does not cause it to be part of the constitution? that the amendment would have to be resubmitted with either a new time limit or no limit on passage?

Not a lawyer, but yeah, there was a time limit. Also if I recall correctly a couple states overturned their ratification, so I don’t see this going anywhere.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:51:34pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

More info here:
equalrightsamendment.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:52:59pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

Is there a lawyer here who can answer this? Wasn’t the legislation on the ERA amendment time-limited so that passing it at this point does not cause it to be part of the constitution? that the amendment would have to be resubmitted with either a new time limit or no limit on passage?

The 27th Amendment was originally proposed along with the Bill Of Rights in 1789 but it was not ratified until 1992.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:54:16pm

re: #81 Ace-o-aces

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Here’s some more data for Brad:

* it was a Trump rally - I’m surprised even 23% there were Democrats.
* it was IN KENTUCKY: despite Team Trump’s fantasies, there probably really aren’t that many nomadic rally-groupies.
* Brad Parscale is a goddamn idiot.

Data.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:55:31pm

re: #63 Ace Rothstein

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But it was an EXCLUSIVE!!!

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:56:09pm

re: #95 Joe Bacon 🌹

The 27th Amendment was originally proposed along with the Bill Of Rights in 1789 but it was not ratified until 1992.

But IIRC, the 27th did not have any time limit on its ratification, while the ERA did.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:57:08pm

Looks like there will be no stunner in MS tonight. Trump endorsed Tate Reeves has a hefty lead on the Democrat.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:58:38pm

Narrator: “The voters chose differently.”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2019 • 7:59:56pm

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

Is there a lawyer here who can answer this? Wasn’t the legislation on the ERA amendment time-limited so that passing it at this point does not cause it to be part of the constitution? that the amendment would have to be resubmitted with either a new time limit or no limit on passage?

The time limit wasn’t part of the actual text of the amendment, but was incorporated into the resolving language of the preface. This deviated from other past amendments. The jurisprudence is basically a giant shit show because previous cases were mooted by the fact that the ERA had not passed the threshold of ratifications, so it probably would have to go back to SCOTUS for a final ruling. I expect they’ll say it expired and has to be done all over again.

Honestly that wouldn’t be the worst outcome, politically, in that it would bring the entire issue roaring back into the public consciousness.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:00:46pm

June 20, 2018
The Equal Rights Amendment is one state from ratification. Now what?

“…If a final state does ratify the amendment, Congress could choose to affirm the ratification.

But will it? The current Republican Congress is unlikely to do so. If the Democrats recapture the House this fall, as some predict, they could rely on the Dillon, Coleman and Chandler decisions to lift the deadline and recognize the states’ ratification. Of course, a Republican Senate might filibuster, adding another hurdle.

Once the amendment clears that bar, it would be valid law — under Article V of the Constitution, proposed amendments, unlike regular bills, cannot be vetoed by the president. So, while Trump has stirred activists to revive the ERA, he cannot legally block the amendment.”

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:00:47pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Looks like there will be no stunner in MS tonight. Trump endorsed Tate Reeves has a hefty lead on the Democrat.

Less than a 10% margin isn’t very “hefty” for MS, though… is it?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:00:55pm
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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:02:18pm

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

Great night!!

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I love that Shelley Simonds, who tied and then lost the “pull a paper from the bowl” decision last time, thumped David Yancey this time 57.8 to 40.3.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:05:26pm

re: #105 BeachDem

I love that Shelley Simonds, who tied and then lost the “pull a paper from the bowl” decision last time, thumped David Yancey this time 57.8 to 40.3.

And wasn’t there (ISTR) some question about how the “tiebreaker” was managed? At least this time the results aren’t in doubt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:09:18pm

I wonder how willing Bevin is to pick up the tab for a recount?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:09:30pm

Something to consider:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:10:30pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how willing Bevin is to pick up the tab for a recount?

I guess we’re about to find out. Maybe ask Sugar Daddy Trump for the money?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:10:41pm

re: #103 i(m)p(each)sos

Less than a 10% margin isn’t very “hefty” for MS, though… is it?

About normal for a Governors race I’d say. We actually had a Dem Govenor in the early aughts.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:11:47pm

re: #106 Jay C

And wasn’t there (ISTR) some question about how the “tiebreaker” was managed? At least this time the results aren’t in doubt.

If I remember correctly, she was leading by 1 vote and then they “found” some mashed up piece of paper and declared a tie. I could be wrong, but it was something like that. And yeah, 57 to 40 is not going to allow much bellyaching from Yancey, although he is a Republican, so never say never.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:16:14pm

Nicest thing about Beshear’s win is thousands of people who would’ve lost their medicaid coverage due to Bevin’s work requirements will get to keep it.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:16:59pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:17:12pm

re: #109 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I guess we’re about to find out. Maybe ask Sugar Daddy Trump for the money?

Bevin is rich, so he may pay out of his own pocket, though I would think he’ll ask for contributions.

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Interesting Times  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:17:32pm

re: #112 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Nicest thing about Beshear’s win is thousands of people who would’ve lost their medicaid coverage due to Bevin’s work requirements will get to keep it.

What about this crap, though? The legislature is all GOPer, so can they overturn the election results?

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:17:41pm

Stand Your Ground Against Violent Racists

Police: Man using racist slurs killed in Waffle House fight

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation says a man was shot to death at a Waffle House after calling other patrons racist slurs and starting a fight.

The GBI says Butts County deputies responded Halloween night to three 911 calls that were minutes apart. The first reported an angry customer, the second reported a fight and a third reported shots had been fired.

Responding deputies found 27-year-old Nicholas Phinazee Bryan mortally wounded. An investigation determined that Bryan “was using racial slurs” toward 36-year-old Robert Lewis Henderson Jr. and 39-year-old Antonio DeMarty Evans. Waffle House staff told Bryan to leave. Then their argument became physical. Police say Henderson fired a single shot at Bryan, who later died at a hospital.

abcnews.go.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:17:41pm

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:18:24pm

Matt Bevin, domestic terrorist:

“…Somebody asked me yesterday, I did an interview and they said, “Do you think it’s possible, if Hillary Clinton were to win the election, do you think it’s possible that we’ll be able to survive? That we would ever be able to recover as a nation? And while there are people who have stood on this stage and said we would not, I would beg to differ. But I will tell you this: I do think it would be possible, but at what price? At what price? The roots of the tree of liberty are watered by what? The blood, of who? The tyrants to be sure, but who else? The patriots. Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something, that we through our apathy and our indifference have given away.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:19:47pm

re: #115 Interesting Times

What about this crap, though? The legislature is all GOPer, so can they overturn the election results?

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Bevin isn’t real popular with even his own party in the state senate, so I doubt they would try to reverse the outcome for him if he loses the recount. But with Republicans, you never know.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:21:11pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:21:37pm

re: #118 jaunte

Matt Bevin, domestic terrorist:

A lot of Bevin’s kids were adopted from Africa, so his side would view them as the enemy in such a war.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:24:35pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was born in Fairfax County. When I was born, it was full of Republicans. The GOP being dicks to social liberals, immigrant communities, & federal workers are why it’s blue for the foreseeable future.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:24:47pm

re: #121 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He’s pretty free with offering other people’s blood as a sacrifice. I don’t see him doing any bleeding himself in that fantasy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:29:29pm

re: #63 Ace Rothstein

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This is what separates Fox from the rest. I have problems with how CNN and MSNBC but Fox will ignore news to focus on red meat like this asshole who has probably never met a Muslim in his life let alone read about Islamic extremism’s roots to their cowardly viewers who probably avoid eating kebabs because they think it’s terrorist food.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:29:42pm

re: #123 jaunte

He’s pretty free with offering other people’s blood as a sacrifice. I don’t see him doing any bleeding himself in that fantasy.

Sure, but genocidal attacks on African-Americans are a thing in American civil wars. Bevin’s allies would take one look at his kids and put bullets in their brains.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:30:37pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:32:05pm

Pence may have something to worry about.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:34:37pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:35:27pm

Turn out today in Ky was a remarkable 41% for an offyear election, 10 points higher than expected. The motherfuckers can’t stop us voting if we refuse to let them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:36:53pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

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Donald’s showing his autocrat tramp stamp that he got from Putin if he thinks this is a good look for him or that commissioner. All those dumbasses who profess to be free speech advocates won’t care tho. It’s only theirs they value.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:43:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:44:22pm

re: #131 gocart mozart

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Elmer-Yosemite Sam 2020!

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:49:50pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Elmer-Yosemite Sam 2020!

“I speak LOUDER!! And I carry a BIG-G-G-G-ER stick! And I’ll use it, too!”

Has my vote. Might need clarification on his support of organized labor, though.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:51:12pm

re: #133 Sherlock Hound

With that ticket, all that’s required to destroy national security is a rabbit dressed up like a flapper….

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:53:18pm

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Turn out today in Ky was a remarkable 41% for an offyear election, 10 points higher than expected. The motherfuckers can’t stop us voting if we refuse to let them.

Out of all the data that will come out of tonight’s races, that right there is the thing that is going to scare the everloving shit out of Republicans. Election turnout has been up in the last 3 years, particularly in off-year election seasons when they can rely upon low turnout to save their candidates. The message is pretty clear: 2020 is going to be a high turnout election and that spells doom for them if Donny is still riding the top of the ticket.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:54:39pm

re: #133 Sherlock Hound

“I speak LOUDER!! And I carry a BIG-G-G-G-ER stick! And I’ll use it, too!”

Has my vote. Might need clarification on his support of organized labor, though.

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Hey if we can get Foghorn Leghorn for Press Secretary, I’m down.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:54:40pm

re: #134 The Ghost of a Flea

With that ticket, all that’s required to destroy national security is a rabbit dressed up like a flapper….

I’d like to see the tweets after they discover they’ve been had by that wabbbit.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:55:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:55:36pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey if we can get Foghorn Leghorn for Press Secretary, I’m down.

I’d see the Foghorn Leghorn origin story if we got John Goodman to play him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:55:59pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:56:54pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:57:12pm

BREAKING NEWS! MUST REPORT!!

St Paul residents have voted overwhelmingly to keep the city’s garbage collection plan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:57:36pm

re: #140 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s much cooler than what we did in Va.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:58:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 8:59:10pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

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I bet Hannity is panicking a little too since he’s part of Ukrainegate too and not just as Trump’s bff who tells him he’s the best, everyone is just lame.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:02:56pm

Headline
“Roger Stone leaves first day of trial early complaining of food poisoning”

Bit his own tongue and swallowed his pride?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:03:15pm

Bevin’s presidential aspirations are probably dead too. A lot of people thought George Allen could have been a 2008 GOP front runner had he won re-election here in 2006. It’s crazy how much this state has changed since then electorally. The GOP embracing the far right is why. Our Democrats aren’t of the furthest left even though dumbass Republicans think they’ve turned our state socialistic.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:03:54pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:05:18pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Trump will throw that blockheaded putz under the bus in two seconds flat.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:05:55pm

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

Trump Tower Grill taco salad.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:06:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:06:41pm

re: #148 gocart mozart

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Robert Evans is awesome. He’s the dude from Behind the Bastards. Great podcast. First time I’ve ever seen him confront one of his bastards.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:06:43pm

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

Shit himself figuratively and literally.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:07:58pm

re: #151 jaunte

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The GOP is fucked if they lose suburbia. There’s only so many rural voters they can turnout.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:09:08pm

re: #149 Ace Rothstein

Trump will throw that blockheaded putz under the bus in two seconds flat.

I never was friends with Sean Hannity. Sean was just a guy who carried water for the campaign.:/

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:09:31pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

The GOP is fucked if they lose suburbia. There’s only so many rural voters they can turnout.

But look at this map!!!

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:12:47pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I never was friends with Sean Hannity. Sean was just a guy who carried water for the campaign.:/

I don’t know. I think he’s in too deep with Sean and I wouldn’t doubt that Trump still calls him to cry over how the world is being so mean and unfair to both of them. I bet he calls him tonight.

edit: Yep, I noticed your sarc tags.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:13:02pm

re: #156 stpaulbear

But look at this map!!!

One of my vivid memories of 2008 remains Meg Whitman trying to convince the American people that Sarah Palin then in her second full year as governor of a state with less than 700000 people was more qualified than a six term senator who had chaired two very important senate committees.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:13:50pm

re: #157 stpaulbear

I don’t know. I think he’s in too deep with Sean and I wouldn’t doubt that Trump still calls him to cry over how the world is being so mean and unfair to both of them. I bet he calls him tonight.

I’m sure it’s going on right now.

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:17:51pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I’m sure it’s going on right now.

The people hacking into those calls must laugh until they cry.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:29:20pm

Beshear’s father won the governorship with a much larger margin in 2011. So it’s not as though Kentucky was a deep red state for state-level offices but for federal offices, they haven’t voted for a Democrat for Senate or President since the beginning of this century.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:32:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:34:10pm

re: #162 Dread Pirate

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He lost by .4% of the vote. Close but not unprecedentedly so. They’re desperate.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:35:31pm

ha!

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:37:23pm

re: #164 Dread Pirate

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ha!

McConnell’s approval in KY is lower than Bevin’s was. And unlike this year, he’ll be running for reelection in a presidential election year with a reviled incumbent at the top of the ticket.

The man has gotta be shitting bricks right now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:37:41pm

re: #164 Dread Pirate

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ha!

And McGrath is running a solid campaign. Moscow Mitch and Petrograd Paul better be careful.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:41:34pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

McConnell’s approval in KY is lower than Bevin’s was. And unlike this year, he’ll be running for reelection in a presidential election year with a reviled incumbent at the top of the ticket.

The man has gotta be shitting bricks right now.

Yep. Mitch may find himself unemployed next fall. Trump possibly causing his end would be the justest of just desserts for Mitch after all Mitch has done.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:43:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:46:00pm

re: #168 Dread Pirate

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Says the guy who used his father’s cult following to run for political office despite being a total ignoramus and a fraud too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:47:51pm

Really I’m not thrilled about the Beau Biden thing but this is the man who made his daughter point woman on the opiate crisis and his son in law in charge of the ME peace process and the two are still profiting.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:50:17pm
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uriel  Nov 5, 2019 • 9:56:42pm

re: #142 stpaulbear

BREAKING NEWS! MUST REPORT!!

St Paul residents have voted overwhelmingly to keep the city’s garbage collection plan.

Thank God! I wan’t sure we could pull this one out!

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:00:53pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey if we can get Foghorn Leghorn for Press Secretary, I’m down.

sorry, Foghorn Leghorn is currently busy as the governor of South Carolina. Sigh.

McMaster is best known in Palmetto political circles for his nickname - “Foghorn Leghorn” - an homage to his thick Southern drawl and dubious intelligence.

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uriel  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:04:22pm

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

Headline
“Roger Stone leaves first day of trial early complaining of food poisoning”

Bit his own tongue and swallowed his pride?

What are the early signs of polonium poising again?

I’m just saying

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:06:27pm

re: #173 BeachDem

sorry, Foghorn Leghorn is currently busy as the governor of South Carolina. Sigh.

McMaster is best known in Palmetto political circles for his nickname - “Foghorn Leghorn” - an homage to his thick Southern drawl and dubious intelligence.

Foghorn Leghorn was actually pretty smart - he could think fast on his feet.

So, waking up to see it was a good night for the Democrats, which is great to see. And this was an off-year election, which usually favors GOP candidates.

The GOP has to be looking at this and shitting bricks. And I’m sure Trump’s people are, too - even if they don’t have the cojones to tell Trump the truth to his face.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:25:12pm
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Jay C  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:32:41pm

re: #171 Dread Pirate

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Is that Rusal plant deal in KY really as Parkhomenko describes it? And is it really likely to be a “problem” for McConnell?
ISTR that the thing was that the aluminum plant had closed, and that the Russians were the only ones seriously interested in rescuing the business (and several hundred jobs for the locals). Of course, that sanctions thing had to be dealt with first, but that’s what politicians are for…
I can’t see McTurtle suffering too much for his part in boosting industrial employment in his home state (regardless of the ultimate source of the funding): but with one important caveat: the deal has to actually go through. If it turns out to actually be a “scam” a la Foxconn in WI, then Moscow Mitch likely will be in trouble….
Of course, this begs the issue of why only Oleg Deripaska was interested enough in an America aluminum facility to want to revive it, but there we are…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2019 • 10:51:38pm

Some interesting news out of the entertainment world:

Harry Shearer, Christopher Guest, Michael McKean and Rob Reiner, the creators of the iconic mockumentary film This is Spinal Tap, have resolved their dispute with Universal Music Group regarding the film’s soundtrack recordings.

According to the announcement, under the agreement Spinal Tap’s recordings will continue to be distributed through UMG, and “eventually the rights will be given to the creators. The parties look forward to making these beloved recordings available to existing and new Spinal Tap fans for years to come.” Further details were not provided.

Harry Shearer — who portrays bassist Derek Smalls — said, “I must admit, from the moment we first began mediation with them to now, I’ve been impressed by UMG’s respect for creatives and their distinctive desire to seek a prompt and equitable solution to the issues.”

variety.com

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Dread Pirate  Nov 5, 2019 • 11:22:08pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 6, 2019 • 12:15:54am

I harvested my cannabis plant and it’s dried and now in a curing stage…..

It smells like banana when it was living it smelled more like blueberry. I have no idea what strain the seed came from. I’ve had Strawberry Banana strain and Boonana in the past few years but I don’t remember a seed from them. I’ll try my first sample smoke on Thanksgiving Day.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2019 • 12:18:28am

re: #181 Dread Pirate

I harvested my cannabis plant and it’s dried and now in a curing stage…..

It smells like banana when it was living it smelled more like blueberry. I have no idea what strain the seed came from. I’ve had Strawberry Banana strain and Boonana in the past few years but I don’t remember a seed from them. I’ll try my first sample smoke on Thanksgiving Day.

What kind of grow lighting setup do you have?

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Dread Pirate  Nov 6, 2019 • 12:26:38am

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

What kind of grow lighting setup do you have?

I think they call it the sun. It was outdoor but I have looked into those LED growlights and little grow-tents.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2019 • 12:26:39am

The most important takeaway from the results in KY and VA is that the 2018 trend of the suburbs shifting to the Democrats continues. The GOP may well find themselves left with no choice but to double down on trying to pick up votes in rural areas for 2020, which will further weaken them in the all-important suburbs

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 6, 2019 • 2:13:28am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 6, 2019 • 2:32:04am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:21:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:21:30am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

The most important takeaway from the results in KY and VA is that the 2018 trend of the suburbs shifting to the Democrats continues. The GOP may well find themselves left with no choice but to double down on trying to pick up votes in rural areas for 2020, which will further weaken them in the all-important suburbs

The GOP strategy was to take advantage of the high turnout of the base plus suppressing the rest of the voters, either through apathy/indifference or through active voter suppression/fraud.

That worked in the low-turnout atmosphere of 2016 but will be hard to repeat as recent elections have demonstrated.

And at least some of the base (the Christian Fundamentalist end) have grown disenchanted with Trump, not enough to get them to vote Democratic, but perhaps enough to dampen their high turnout rate.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:24:11am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP strategy was to take advantage of the high turnout of the base plus suppressing the rest of the voters, either through apathy/indifference or through active voter suppression/fraud.

That worked in the low-turnout atmosphere of 2016 but will be hard to repeat as recent elections have demonstrated.

And at least some of the base (the Christian Fundamentalist end) have grown disenchanted with Trump, not enough to get them to vote Democratic, but perhaps enough to dampen their high turnout rate.

What leads you to that conclusion? I thought the fundies were full on trump is god?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:28:22am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP strategy was to take advantage of the high turnout of the base plus suppressing the rest of the voters, either through apathy/indifference or through active voter suppression/fraud.

That worked in the low-turnout atmosphere of 2016 but will be hard to repeat as recent elections have demonstrated.

And at least some of the base (the Christian Fundamentalist end) have grown disenchanted with Trump, not enough to get them to vote Democratic, but perhaps enough to dampen their high turnout rate.

If even a modest segment of the Christian Fundamentalists choose to sit out next year (for whatever reasons) that could spell disaster for the GOP, not just in regard to Trump’s re-election, but in other races as well.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:29:29am

Not sure where these numbers come from. This from WaPo.

But in the latest survey, five of the most talked-about Democratic candidates are besting Trump with independents. Biden has expanded his lead over the president to 17 points, while Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) do nearly as well, each leading the president by 16 points among independents. They favor Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Calif.) over Trump by 11 points, and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg by 10 points.

In other words, the poll suggests that independents are increasingly willing to vote for a Democrat, no matter which of the most likely possibilities the party nominates. It also erodes Biden’s chief selling point, which is that he is the most “electable” prospect in the field.

Edit: This is from interviews by the author in NH alone, BTW.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:37:34am

re: #189 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What leads you to that conclusion? I thought the fundies were full on trump is god?

Some of them have been put off by his abandoning Syrian and Kurdish Christians. Only some, though.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:45:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:49:22am

re: #193 Dave In Austin

They simply consider this to be exposing a spy and traitor and fully justifiable…

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Ming5000  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:51:12am

While perusing headlines on Memeorandum I caught this gem:

That is a real article in WFB apparently.

Hahaha… HAHAHAHAA

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:54:28am

re: #50 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its amazing how teetering on the brink of fascism is goosing voter turnout.

I work under the assumption, borne out by lots and lots of anecdotal evidence, that most Americans are morons. But morons are redeemable, and we may be entering into a time when people instinctively recognize that voting is important.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 3:58:15am

re: #195 Ming5000

While perusing headlines on Memeorandum I caught this gem:

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That is a real article in WFB apparently.

Hahaha… HAHAHAHAA

They should look at the comments Virginia conservatives are making about the takeover the state legislature. Does it bother me a little that Spicey is getting rehabilitated via Reality TV? Yeah it does but I never watched Dancing with the Stars anyhow and I’d much rather Spicer be there than actively being part of the party and movement that gave us Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:00:04am

re: #196 steve_davis

I work under the assumption, borne out by lots and lots of anecdotal evidence, that most Americans are morons. But morons are redeemable, and we may be entering into a time when people instinctively recognize that voting is important.

again, a lot of GOP strategy was based on voter suppression, either indirectly by creating apathy or indifference or by active voter suppression or fraud

it was the turnout in three key states that gave Trump his EC victory

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:07:32am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, a lot of GOP strategy was based on voter suppression, either indirectly by creating apathy or indifference or by active voter suppression or fraud

it was the turnout in three key states that gave Trump his EC victory

It was more than just that. trump lived and lives off of a persona that isn’t real. He’s a supposed huge success (he’s not) who’s super smart at everything (he’s not) and was propped up by reality television (that isn’t real). They voted for a personality that was all vaporware. The cult of personality was what gave us trump.

That and 30 years of right wing brainwashing and republican’s attacking and lying about Hillary Clinton for almost as long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:11:36am

re: #199 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It was more than just that. trump lived and lives off of a persona that isn’t real. He’s a supposed huge success (he’s not) who’s super smart at everything (he’s not) and was propped up by reality television (that isn’t real). They voted for a personality that was all vaporware. The cult of personality was what gave us trump.

He was a media personality and he helped usher in and establish the age of the New Media Reality.

People like Breitbart and Drudge realized that all you had to do was float a story out there long enough on social media and it would eventually get picked up by the MSM and treated as it had some validity

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:14:58am

Being an empty slate I think was Trump’s greatest benefit. He’s not that anymore.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:16:31am
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Ming5000  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:17:18am

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

Headline
“Roger Stone leaves first day of trial early complaining of food poisoning”

Bit his own tongue and swallowed his pride?

I saw the clip of Stone walking out of the courthouse. He was one sad looking specimen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:19:04am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Being an empty slate I think was Trump’s greatest benefit. He’s not that anymore.

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual, that made it easier for them to buy into the image of Trump as the ultimate political outsider, not beholden to any special interests and ready to come in and shake things up the way they wanted to see it done.

His lack of record of public service was a benefit, and the lack of transparency about his private business record was not a burden.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:20:34am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual, that made it easier for them to buy into the image of Trump as the ultimate political outsider, not beholden to any special interests and ready to come in and shake things up the way they wanted to see it done.

His lack of record of public service was a benefit, and the lack of transparency about his private business record was not a burden.

Perhaps so but since then that’s all moot. People know what a Trump presidency actually looks like now and more are unhappy with it than not.

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steve_davis  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:21:09am

re: #141 gocart mozart

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why does he keep looking off fearfully to either side, like there are people in black uniforms holding guns to the heads of his family members?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:26:41am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Perhaps so but since then that’s all moot. People know what a Trump presidency actually looks like now and more are unhappy with it than not.

Right now he benefits from positive employment figures and a press that is happy to take him seriously and not call him out on his lies and bragging in order to assure continued access.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:28:00am

This…….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:39:00am

Looks like last night was a great night after all. Bevin looks to have lost, even after a full-court press by Trump. Danica Roem was re-elected, and the lady who flipped off Trump’s motorcade while on her bicycle, and losing her job for it, wins a seat on her local government.

nbcnews.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:41:07am

I can only imagine the lies that Republicans on Capital Hill are telling themselves behind closed doors to deal with the fallout from yesterday. Yeah, they won the other major races on the KY ballot, but Bevin was the primary target and he lost. Yeah they kept the governor’s mansion in Mississippi, but they lost Virginia for what might turn out to be a very long time. And contrary to conventional wisdom, turnout has stayed the same if not increased among Dem voters, which throws most polls that assume “average” turnouts into doubt.

I think the Mooch is right, the moment that impeachment hits 60% in the polls, the party is gonna bail on Donny.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:43:04am

re: #210 Targetpractice

I think the Mooch is right, the moment that impeachment hits 60% in the polls, the party is gonna bail on Donny.

Trump has good job figures going for him and can always come up with a terrorist threat or a war to prop up his flagging support.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:44:30am

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Looks like last night was a great night after all. Bevin looks to have lost, even after a full-court press by Trump. Danica Roem was re-elected, and the lady who flipped off Trump’s motorcade while on her bicycle, and losing her job for it, wins a seat on her local government.

nbcnews.com

Have you seen anything on the KY gov race that’s definitive? I am seeing that it is still up in the air.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:49:30am

re: #212 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Bevin isn’t conceding. That’s all I’m really seeing right now. But he was never going to no matter the margin. I wouldn’t be surprised if he happens to find just enough votes in the next few days.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:49:55am

From this morning.

Beshear claims victory in Kentucky; Bevin refuses to concede

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky’s bitter race for governor went into overtime as Democrat Andy Beshear declared victory while Republican Gov. Matt Bevin, a close ally of President Donald Trump, refused to concede with results showing he trailed by a few thousand votes.

Kentucky has some sorting out to do before inaugurating its next governor.

With 100% of precincts reporting, Beshear — the state’s attorney general and the son of Kentucky’s last Democratic governor, Steve Beshear — had a lead of 5,333 votes out of more than 1.4 million counted, or a margin of less than 0.4 percentage points. The Associated Press has not declared a winner.

In competing speeches late Tuesday, Beshear claimed victory while Bevin refused to concede.

“My expectation is that he (Bevin) will honor the election that was held tonight,” Beshear said. “That he will help us make this transition. And I’ll tell you what, we will be ready for that first day in office, and I look forward to it.”

That first day isn’t far off. Kentucky inaugurates its governors in the December following an election.

Bevin, meanwhile, called the contest a “close, close race” and said he wasn’t conceding “by any stretch.”

“We want the process to be followed, and there is a process,” he said.

Bevin hinted there might be “irregularities” to look into but didn’t offer specifics. His campaign didn’t immediately respond to an email seeking an explanation.

There is no mandatory recount law in Kentucky. Bevin may request counties recanvass their results, which is not a recount, but rather a check of the vote count to ensure the results were added correctly. Bevin would need to seek and win a court’s approval for a recount.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:51:08am

re: #213 GlutenFreeJesus

Bevin isn’t conceding. That’s all I’m really seeing right now. But he was never going to no matter the margin. I wouldn’t be surprised if he happens to find just enough votes in the next few days.

The lame duck Secretary of State is a Democrat. 5,000 vote margins don’t get reversed in recounts, so it would be a massive upset for Bevin to get this reversed.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:53:08am

As I predicted in comment #59

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:53:37am

re: #215 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The lame duck Secretary of State is a Democrat. 5,000 vote margins don’t get reversed in recounts, so it would be a massive upset example of blatant voter fraud for Bevin to get this reversed.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:57:50am

Some people think polling doesn’t work anymore, but in fact its been pretty accurate, even in 2016. The polling had the Ky governor’s race tied, and it ended in a virtual tie.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:58:29am

re: #216 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As I predicted in comment #59

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Nah, you want sad groveling, this is it:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:58:30am

re: #218 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Some people think polling doesn’t work anymore, but in fact its been pretty accurate, even in 2016. The polling had the Ky governor’s race tied, and it ended in a virtual tie.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:59:26am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Nah, you want sad groveling, this is it:

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Glorious Comrade Trump also means I don’t have to smile awkwardly at Uncle Mitt next time.//

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:07:09am

If I’m understanding things correctly, Bevin has to file with the courts to get a recount, and then the randomly assigned judge has to rule on whether the evidence Matt means a recount is warranted or not.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:10:06am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Nah, you want sad groveling, this is it:

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Going to guess this isn’t true, as well as the polling for the dipshit in Mississippi.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:11:51am

re: #223 Mike Lamb

Going to guess this isn’t true, as well as the polling for the dipshit in Mississippi.

Now the polling was true…3 weeks ago. As noted above, the most recent polls showed the two virtually dead even.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:12:51am

Morning. Well yesterdays local elections were nothing to really write about. A bond measure for the jail expansion/renovation (voted yes, cheaper than overcrowding lawsuits and/or housing them in another Counties jail). To voting against the numbskulls running for City Council (with backing by the local “family values” group) pushing to pass an abortion ban ordinance for the City of Twin Falls. An ordinance they have been told is blatantly unconstitutional, will be challenged and then thrown out, wasting scarce taxpayer dollars. Generally, I would skip one of these. But this time around I needed to insure I was registered to vote under my new name next year so off to the polls I went.

On another note closer to home, the Mate is still looking for a puppers to accompany her through out the day. Has to be 1. A Shelter rescue. 2 Male 3. House broken. 4. Small enough to fit in her lap and/or a shoulder bag and 5. Be a one woman dog but friendly towards others.

So it’s off to Hailey, Id. today to check out a possible match. Even if there isn’t a match, the drive itself is pretty scenic with a few places to stop and eat a meal. So I’m thinking of making this into a complete day trip instead of dash and grab run.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:14:40am
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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:14:54am

YouTube

Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:17:04am

re: #227 jeffreyw

Do you put feed corn out Jeff?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:17:26am

re: #226 Dave In Austin

One competitor with whom we spoke had this to say, “I have the very best catfishing equipment that money can buy, the best boat, the best rods, the best electronics. There ain’t no way that old lady beat me with a stick and some dog food, no way. Something smells fishy here, and it ain’t my stinkbait.”

so speaks the Voice of Entitlement

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:19:29am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let’s just say the ratio is on her side.
AND I’ll bet Ms. Minnie fries up a mean plate…….

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:23:18am

re: #226 Dave In Austin

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Nothing new here. Yes, you can spend thousands on fancy equipment and still be beaten by a very low tech solution. From the article, this woman fishes everyday with the exact same equipment and takes home her limit. I’ll lay odds this Lady can also pick up a rifle and drop a deer at a respectful distance as well.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:45:08am

re: #215 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Massive upset = massive cheating. Bevin lost fair and square. He’s acting like a brat. I expect Trump to do the same when he loses next year.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:45:51am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so speaks the Voice of Entitlement

SRSLY.

No matter how much money this dude spends on his gear? The catfish don’t know, and (more importantly) don’t fucking care….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:48:08am

re: #232 Patricia Kayden

Massive upset = massive cheating. Bevin lost fair and square. He’s acting like a brat. I expect Trump to do the same when he loses next year.

Even after he won, he insisted that there was massive voter fraud going on and nobody really took him to task to offer any sort of proof for his outrageous claims.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:49:34am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well Kris Kobach looked high and low and couldn’t prove that voter fraud was a thing so here we are. Republicans keep making baseless claims to justify their voter suppression tactics.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:52:59am

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:55:55am
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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2019 • 5:55:58am

This is wonderful.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:08:34am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Kentucky has a Democratic governor.

Virginia legislature is firmly in Democratic party hands.

This is all good news, and there are some takeaways worth looking at.

When Democrats go out and vote, good things happen. We saw it with KY and we saw it with VA. The GOP and the pundits will work furiously to claim that you can’t draw any conclusions from these wins, much as they did after the drubbing the GOP took in 2018.

Kentucky went for Trump by 30 points. You’d think there’d be coattails for Bevin to run on and win. Supposedly Parscale promised Trump that Bevin was up 5 points leading into the rally - it was a condition for Trump going to a rally there because he didn’t want to be seen as supporting a loser (he did).

The negatives around Bevin are the same ones facing Trump. Trump isn’t liked. Trump is seeking to eliminate health coverage from millions of Americans. Trump engaged in criminal conduct (so far nothing indicates Bevin engaged in crimes, so there’s that).

Mississippi went for the GOP candidate, but that’s hardly surprising since the state is deep red.

Suburban districts continue to show dissatisfaction for the GOP candidates, and that’s where Trump had success in 2016.

Heading into 2020, the same mantra rings: all elections matter, and that putting up credible candidates to fight for every seat in every race matters. Getting out the vote matters, and turnout is what will favor Democrats. GOP needs to suppress turnout to have any chance of winning, and we have to fight harder to overcome those hurdles.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:10:54am

Cyclist who flipped off Trump motorcade wins local office in Virginia

Washington (CNN)The cyclist who flipped off President Donald Trump’s motorcade in 2017, and lost her job because of it, has won her bid for local office in Virginia.

CNN projected that Juli Briskman on Tuesday night won her race to become supervisor for the Algonkian District in Loudoun County, Virginia. The win comes just over two years after a photo of Briskman flipping off the President’s motorcade as it made its way back to the White House from Trump’s golf course in Sterling, Virginia, went viral in October 2017. Her lawyer said she was forced to resign from her job as a marketing executive at Akima LLC over the photo.
Briskman was able to leverage her viral rebuke of Trump into Tuesday’s win with a campaign that made the image central to her political message.

cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:16:11am

re: #240 Rightwingconspirator

Cyclist who flipped off Trump motorcade wins local office in Virginia

cnn.com

I know Algonkian quite well. The Republicans are losing this area because of their own stupid tribalism.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:16:38am

NYC becomes the largest jurisdiction to choose ranked choice voting to eliminate runoff elections. Starting with the 2021 election, voters will choose and rank candidates on 1-5 scale, and it will apply to state and local elections, not the national elections.

As the name suggests, ranked-choice voting lets voters mark their first-choice candidate first, their second-choice candidate second, their third-choice candidate third, and so on. Each voter has only one vote but can indicate their backup choices: If one candidate has an outright majority of first-place rankings, that candidate wins, just like a traditional election.

But if no candidate has a majority in the first round, the candidate in last place is eliminated. Voters who had ranked that candidate first have their votes transferred to the candidate they ranked second. This process continues until a single candidate gathers a majority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:18:24am

re: #242 lawhawk

NYC becomes the largest jurisdiction to choose ranked choice voting to eliminate runoff elections. Starting with the 2021 election, voters will choose and rank candidates on 1-5 scale, and it will apply to state and local elections, not the national elections.

I recall reading that’s how Australia holds elections.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:19:22am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:20:18am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:22:35am

re: #244 jaunte

Beshear had created kynect, which was the ACA exchange name in KY. It reduced the uninsured rate from 19% to 9% of the population. That’s a huge improvement. Bevin’s moves resulted in the uninsured rate climbing to 11%.

Bevin’s moves mirror what the GOP is trying to do nationally. They want to eliminate the exchanges and gut Medicare and Medicaid. Trump’s own budget calls for massive cuts.

But sure, there’s no parallels between what happened to Bevin and what should happen with Trump who is as loathed as Bevin was.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:27:20am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:29:35am

With Democrats in control of the VA legislature, we could be one step closer to the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the US Constitution. Currently, 37 states have ratified the ERA. If VA takes up the measure, it could push it over the top.

That said, Congress set a 1982 deadline for ratification, and Congress would have to change that deadline in order for this to move ahead.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:29:43am

re: #246 lawhawk

I remember seeing a video on YouTube where they compared the same thing under “Obamacare” vs “Kynect”. Literally everyone loved “Kynect” and disapproved of “Obamacare”.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:34:43am

re: #248 lawhawk

With Democrats in control of the VA legislature, we could be one step closer to the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the US Constitution. Currently, 37 states have ratified the ERA. If VA takes up the measure, it could push it over the top.

That said, Congress set a 1982 deadline for ratification, and Congress would have to change that deadline in order for this to move ahead.

Didn’t a couple of states undo their ratification?

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:36:28am

Thanks, Rand Paul.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:42:11am

If you’re wondering about Pennsylvania next year, I think Republicans are terrified. Places that have been Republican since the end of the Civil War have flipped solidly Democratic. dailykos.com

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:42:47am

Apparently Trump’s going to march (ride) in the NYC Veterans Day parade.

This will go precisely as well as expected.

He may think that surrounding himself with troops will insulate him from the boos, but we know NYCers know how to give fucknuts like Trump the Bronx cheer they deserve.

Trump will see miles upon miles of boos and signs demanding his impeachment and removal.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:43:16am

re: #251 jaunte

Thanks, Rand Paul.

If that guys name isn’t John Barron or Tronald Dump, then it doesn’t matter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:47:01am

re: #252 Belafon

If you’re wondering about Pennsylvania next year, I think Republicans are terrified. Places that have been Republican since the end of the Civil War have flipped solidly Democratic. dailykos.com

There are only so many rural voters they can win.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:47:38am

re: #253 lawhawk

Apparently Trump’s going to march (ride) in the NYC Veterans Day parade.

This will go precisely as well as expected.

He may think that surrounding himself with troops will insulate him from the boos, but we know NYCers know how to give fucknuts like Trump the Bronx cheer they deserve.

Trump will see miles upon miles of boos and signs demanding his impeachment and removal.

I like that they still think that people won’t be able to figure out who’s being booed. Oh, I’m sure John Cornyn will try to say they’re booing the troops, but it’ll be as lame as the rest of them.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:48:18am

true blue • a few seconds ago
Apparently…
In areas of the country where there is no indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is over 80%.

In areas of the country where there is indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is under 20%

Discuss..

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:49:44am

re: #256 Belafon

NYers boo everyone when they deserve it. Cuomo got booed at a Billy Joel concert.

We know who to boo and why.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:52:07am

re: #257 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

true blue • a few seconds ago
Apparently…
In areas of the country where there is no indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is over 80%.

In areas of the country where there is indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is under 20%

Discuss..

I mean I hate to sound like a snob but there is an information gap and the more people are informed about what Trump is doing or has some, the more likely they oppose him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:53:20am

re: #258 lawhawk

NYers boo everyone when they deserve it. Cuomo got booed at a Billy Joel concert.

We know who to boo and why.

Did Frank Luntz say they need to be accountable? Snark aside. Trump keeps on going to these rallies where he’s worshiped. He doesn’t like the truth which is most want him home.

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:53:51am

re: #228 Dave In Austin

Do you put feed corn out Jeff?

Yes, a little. Used to have an automatic feed spreader but gave that up because the ‘coons kept tearing it up.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:54:19am
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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:54:31am

re: #253 lawhawk

Apparently Trump’s going to march (ride) in the NYC Veterans Day parade.

This will go precisely as well as expected.

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I would expect a reaction like that of 250,000 Juli Briskmans…..

But man, Trump riding in a parade in NYC? I’m guessing (“the troops” notwithstanding), this is just a YUUUGE “Fuck You!” to the City: which will have to spend even more money, for even more security, more cops’ overtime, create more traffic problems, etc.
And at the end, he’ll probably give some bloviating address dumping on the City and State’s Dem leadership for running such “shitholes”, and swan off back to DC.

Asshole.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 6, 2019 • 6:57:57am

re: #202 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This Trump jr guy is the living real life embodiment of every 80’s Teen movie Biff type villian ever made. His lack of any sort of self-awareness is astonishing. An idiot with money is still an idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:03:12am

re: #262 lawhawk

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The OxyContin Cosa.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:04:19am

re: #264 Florida Panhandler

This Trump jr guy is the living real life embodiment of every 80’s Teen movie Biff type villian ever made. His lack of any sort of self-awareness is astonishing. An idiot with money is still an idiot.

Well given his father is the real life inspiration for Biff. Quite natural he would fit that niche. This isn’t a smart guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:06:00am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:07:21am

In today’s Smart Things Somebody Said On The Internet: the GOP has one single function now, to protect the feelings of a hypersensitive ignorant fraudster

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:09:15am

This is good even for Harry:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:09:43am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

There are only so many rural voters they can win.

Sadly Beaver County PA got redder with only one Democrat winning a county row office…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:10:03am

re: #262 lawhawk

Is there a legal issue when outing jurors?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:11:26am

re: #271 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is there a legal issue when outing jurors?

It’s called Jury Tampering. But Bill Barr won’t lift a finger.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:13:45am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:16:44am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:16:52am

My granddaughter baked a pie last night & left it at our apartment. Best breakfast ever! This young lady is talented in so many ways!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:17:58am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:18:19am

re: #275 The Pie Overlord!

My granddaughter baked a pie last night & left it at our apartment. Best breakfast ever! This young lady is talented in so many ways!

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I assume she learned from the best!

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:21:01am

re: #263 Jay C

ADD: And on reflection, I’d float the possibility (except for one thing) - that Trump wants to be booed in New York: that a universally negative reaction to his visit is what he and his creatures are looking for, so that they can exploit it in campaign ads and hate-rallies to rile up the marks about the “East Coast Elites” showing such “rude disrespect” for their beloved Fuhrer Duce President.

The exception, btw, is that this has the makings of being a fairly clever strategy, and since the Trump WH and Administration seem to be staffed by toadies, hacks and imbeciles top to bottom, “clever” is an inappropriate concept.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:21:31am

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Most places aren’t going to flip overnight. Virginia didn’t. Texas and Mississippi won’t. But as each election occurs with more people trying to change the outcome, it will happen.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:22:12am

Self-gaslighting is apparently a thing now.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:22:41am

Lubbock perv exploits church group, gets caught. It is apparently a regular practice for these people to take showers at each other’s houses, so much so that the creep found it worthwhile to remodel to simplify the operation.

Warrant details UMC employee secretly recording neighbors in his bathroom

A pediatric nurse practitioner who was arrested for inappropriately recording his neighbor in his bathroom has been released from jail on a combined $20,000 bond.

Zakri Redding, a 30-year-old nurse practitioner with University Medical Center, is charged with two counts of invasive visual recording, which is a felony. Redding is accused of recording his female neighbors while they took showers in his home.

Court documents show Redding told one neighbor he recorded multiple times since July. Both Redding and that set of neighbors would make frequent visits to each other residences because they are part of a church group.

In one instance, a warrant states on July 8 his neighbor and her husband were staying over at Redding’s home because they were having water issues. Redding told his neighbor he tried to record her while taking a shower but she was out of view of his phone camera and could only get a shot of her legs.

He also said he was able to get his phone under the door after a remodel that made the doors higher off the floor. This allowed him to record not only his neighbor, but other women as they disrobed in his bathroom, according to the warrant.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:22:59am

re: #278 Jay C

ADD: And on reflection, I’d float the possibility (except for one thing) - that Trump wants to be booed in New York: that a universally negative reaction to his visit is what he and his creatures are looking for, so that they can exploit it in campaign ads and hate-rallies to rile up the marks about the “East Coast Elites” showing such “rude disrespect” for their beloved FuhrerDuce President.

The exception, btw, is that this has the makings of being a fairly clever strategy, and since the Trump WH and Administration seem to be staffed by toadies, hacks and imbeciles top to bottom, “clever” is an inappropriate concept.

Yeah, cause he went to the World Series and UFC to get bood on a strategy. You could just see that on his face. The guy who has rallies to boost his ego.

The only strategy right now is Trump is giving his staff crap and they are trying to cheer him up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:23:25am

re: #275 The Pie Overlord!

My granddaughter baked a pie last night & left it at our apartment. Best breakfast ever! This young lady is talented in so many ways!

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Oh now THAT is a breakfast!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:23:53am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Self-gaslighting is apparently a thing now.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:24:21am

I am offended that this Establishment Dems bullshit is ingrained. Establishment is people who can get shit done (presumably). I don’t know the people but this Outsider is Better, Swamp person, etc., etc., etc., is frustrating as hell to me.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:24:26am

re: #281 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

In one instance, a warrant states on July 8 his neighbor and her husband were staying over at Redding’s home because they were having water issues. Redding told his neighbor he tried to record her while taking a shower but she was out of view of his phone camera and could only get a shot of her legs.

Wow.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:25:50am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Self-gaslighting is apparently a thing now.

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“The American troops are killing themselves in despair flinging themselves against the impenetrable walls of Baghdad.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:26:40am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Self-gaslighting is apparently a thing now.

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I still expect McConnell to win, but Beshear’s victory gives me hope.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:28:34am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:28:48am

re: #285 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I am offended that this Establishment Dems bullshit is ingrained. Establishment is people who can get shit done (presumably). I don’t know the people but this Outsider is Better, Swamp person, etc., etc., etc., is frustrating as hell to me.

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Ideally I want a balance. Someone who knows how to get shit done but isn’t someone who is afraid to mingle with the average voter. That’s Tim Kaine here. He’s been mayor of our capital city, Lt Governor, Senator, & Governor but he has a common touch. Introduced himself to me as Tim when I met him at a local microbrewery last re-election. People who just want “outsiders” are idiots.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:29:03am

re: #288 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I still expect McConnell to win, but Beshear’s victory gives me hope.

And it means, in addition to the challenge I expect Cornyn to have, that the GOP will have to throw a lot of money at their their leadership’s races that can’t be spent elsewhere.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:29:15am

re: #282 Belafon

Yeah, cause he went to the World Series and UFC to get bood on a strategy. You could just see that on his face. The guy who has rallies to boost his ego.

The only strategy right now is Trump is giving his staff crap and they are trying to cheer him up.

Yeah, but the WS and UFC stuff was unplanned: my guess in #278 was that they might be thinking along the lines of “making lemonade out of a lemon situation”.

Of course, that “lemonade” is still likely to look, taste and smell like diseased piss, but then again, look who they are likely to try to peddle it to…

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:31:12am

re: #292 Jay C

Yeah, but the WS and UFC stuff was unplanned: my guess in #278 was that they might be thinking along the lines of “making lemonade out of a lemon situation”.

Of course, that “lemonade” is still likely to look, taste and smell like diseased piss, but then again, look who they are likely to try to peddle it to…

What the Vet parade should do is put a troop float before and after his as well, that way the cheering will sound just like it did at the Nats game.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:31:20am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:32:53am

jfc lindsey…

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:34:08am

re: #280 The Pie Overlord!

Self-gaslighting is apparently a thing now.

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And Wilson says that Bevin was never down 17 points.

But nothing beats the spin that Nazi Ingraham attempted last night - that Bevin’s loss is actually good for Trump!

War is peace, up is down, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:35:29am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:36:35am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d go further.

This is an absolute criminal act of witness intimidation and witness tampering while obstructing justice. Junior just got himself a felony act for the bargain price of dumbassery.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:39:28am

Moar GOP ratfucking…

(WaPo) - Senate Republicans are privately debating whether they should use an impeachment trial of President Trump to scrutinize former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter as some Trump allies push to call them as witnesses while others dismiss the suggestion as a risky political ploy.

The ongoing discussions are a revealing glimpse into the fault lines in the GOP ahead of a possible trial of Trump in the Senate, where there are varying appetites among Republicans for the type of political combat relished by the president and his most ardent defenders.

Among a group of Trump’s allies inside and outside Congress, there is intense and growing interest in countering the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry by delving into Hunter Biden’s business dealings in Ukraine and China. Because his father was vice president at the time, these allies think it could be a way to explain why Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July 25 phone call to “look into” the Bidens, who have denied any wrongdoing.

That effort gained steam on Capitol Hill last week at a private lunch where Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and John Neely Kennedy (La.) raised the idea of summoning Hunter Biden, said two people familiar with the exchange who, like others in this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. Paul took his private push public at a campaign rally with the president Monday night in Kentucky.

I almost hope they do it just so I can watch it blow up in their fucking faces.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:39:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:40:08am

re: #296 makeitstop

And Wilson says that Bevin was never down 17 points.

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War is peace, up is down, etc.

Got to love Axis Sally Ingraham recited the latest Nazi propaganda!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:40:30am

40% turnout in Chester County (PA) yesterday. The county row offices and judge positions up for election all went Democratic. Pretty much similar results to the south in Delaware County. And these are generally considered the most conservative suburb counties to Philadelphia.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:42:30am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

Moar GOP ratfucking…

(WaPo) - Senate Republicans are privately debating whether they should use an impeachment trial of President Trump to scrutinize former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter as some Trump allies push to call them as witnesses while others dismiss the suggestion as a risky political ploy.

The ongoing discussions are a revealing glimpse into the fault lines in the GOP ahead of a possible trial of Trump in the Senate, where there are varying appetites among Republicans for the type of political combat relished by the president and his most ardent defenders.

Among a group of Trump’s allies inside and outside Congress, there is intense and growing interest in countering the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry by delving into Hunter Biden’s business dealings in Ukraine and China. Because his father was vice president at the time, these allies think it could be a way to explain why Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July 25 phone call to “look into” the Bidens, who have denied any wrongdoing.

That effort gained steam on Capitol Hill last week at a private lunch where Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and John Neely Kennedy (La.) raised the idea of summoning Hunter Biden, said two people familiar with the exchange who, like others in this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. Paul took his private push public at a campaign rally with the president Monday night in Kentucky.

I almost hope they do it just so I can watch it blow up in their fucking faces.

Can we also discuss Eric, Junior and Ivanka? Because, that would be fine with me.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:42:44am

re: #300 lawhawk

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So she’s in the race for sure, then?

I don’t trust her word on this at all.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:43:21am

re: #296 makeitstop

I think they are using the “Bevin had a 32% approval rating and received 48-49% of the vote is a 17% upswing.”

Those numbers of course have zero relationship, but it sounds like ‘Science’ with a capital S.

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sagehen  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:44:24am

re: #262 lawhawk

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At Al Capone’s last trial, the judge anticipated shenanigans. They spent days on voir dire, assumed the jurors or their families had been threatened, and then, five minutes before opening statements…

The jury was swapped with a jury from another courtroom down the hall and sequestered for the duration.

That’s the case he went to jail for.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:44:44am

Fall 2020: Trump losing is good for conservatives because they get to second guess everything Dem President does.//

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:45:17am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I think they are using the “Bevin had a 32% approval rating and received 48-49% of the vote is a 17% upswing.”

Those numbers of course have zero relationship, but it sounds like ‘Science’ with a capital S.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:45:20am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I think they are using the “Bevin had a 32% approval rating and received 48-49% of the vote is a 17% upswing.”

Those numbers of course have zero relationship, but it sounds like ‘Science’ with a capital S.

It’s an ignorant thing to do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:46:28am

re: #294 lawhawk

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So where’s Cornyn to demand Rush’s arrest?

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:46:34am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

where there are varying appetites among Republicans for the type of political combat relished by the president and his most ardent defenders.

So IOW, the stench of Trump’s bullshit is finally starting - even if mildly - to gag at least some Congressional GOPers? And they just MAY be getting the hint that making a blaring media circus out of the impeachment process has the possibility of blowing up in their faces (like most things Trump-related)?

Whatta shocker.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:47:45am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

It’s an ignorant Republican thing to do.

FIFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:47:49am

moron

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:48:04am

re: #271 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Absolutely.

There are several charges that can flow from this but chief among them is: 18 USC 1503 - influencing a juror in a federal trial.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:49:15am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Fall 2020: Trump losing is good for conservatives because they get to second guess everything Dem President does.//

You say that with /s tags, but it is trooth. It is definitely the MO of the conservative pundits.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:49:33am

re: #312 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

FIFY

Same difference

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:51:01am

This will be a test in how far the GOP is ready to go to cling to power. Are they ready to brazenly ignore election results? theweek.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:51:09am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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We’re not going to crown you king, Donald no matter how much you desire.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:52:04am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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And thousands of us who don’t have stocks say: WHAT MONEY?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:53:14am

re: #311 Jay C

So IOW, the stench of Trump’s bullshit is finally starting - even if mildly - to gag at least some Congressional GOPers? And they just MAY be getting the hint that making a blaring media circus out of the impeachment process has the possibility of blowing up in their faces (like most things Trump-related)?

Whatta shocker.

Exactly. I also think a lot of them are waking up to the fact that loyalty to Trump is a one way street. He’ll never reciprocate and he has absolutely NO problem throwing anyone under the bus when he feels like it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:53:16am

re: #300 lawhawk

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I don’t believe a word that she says.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:53:55am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

And thousands of us who don’t have stocks say: WHAT MONEY?

And even then it’s only theoretical value unless you cash out all those investments.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:56:19am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

And thousands of us who don’t have stocks say: WHAT MONEY?

In that case there’s always a shot at the Powerball and MegaMillions jackpots!

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:56:59am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I think they are using the “Bevin had a 32% approval rating and received 48-49% of the vote is a 17% upswing.”

Those numbers of course have zero relationship, but it sounds like ‘Science’ with a capital S.

You might be right: it’s a stupid example, but then again, these are Republicans….

But OTOH, in this era of widespread (and unregulated/unchecked/unconfirmed) political opinion-polling, it probably isn’t all that difficult to dredge up some outlier poll showing one’s preferred candidate hugely in the tank, and then trot it out after the election as “proof” of the “vast improvement” in case of victory - or a close loss.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 7:59:59am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

And thousands of us who don’t have stocks say: WHAT MONEY?

Roughly half of all Americans don’t have any money in the stock market - whether it’s stocks, ETFs, mutual funds, or via their 401(k) or Keogh plans. And roughly the richest 10% of households controlled 84% of the total value of these stocks in 2016.

The profits are concentrated in a handful, while the majority see no benefit from the market.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:00:25am

Virginia’s new Speaker of the House is a woman. First time in 400 years. I’ve met Eileen Filler-Corn. She’s intelligent, thoughtful, & forward thinking.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:03:48am

re: #257 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

true blue • a few seconds ago
Apparently…
In areas of the country where there is no indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is over 80%.

In areas of the country where there is indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is under 20%

Discuss..

Sorry, I had to downvote you. I know this is a joke, but there still are people in abject poverty in this country (many on Native American Indian reservations) and they aren’t the problem.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:05:56am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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I will, Donnie, in the form of a new round of contributions to Democrats, the Democratic Party, and a variety of other things the Russo-publican cult finds inconvenient to its grift.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:06:05am

re: #325 lawhawk

Roughly half of all Americans don’t have any money in the stock market - whether it’s stocks, ETFs, mutual funds, or via their 401(k) or Keogh plans. And roughly the richest 10% of households controlled 84% of the total value of these stocks in 2016.

The profits are concentrated in a handful, while the majority see no benefit from the market.

I am fortunate enough to have a 401K but obviously I can’t just go out and spend that money at will. I also have no other investments or portfolio.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:08:13am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:10:07am

re: #329 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m fortunate that dad taught me to invest, and to be diligent on saving for retirement. I started early, and can reap those benefits down the road. And I can donate and help those less fortunate because I’m in a position to do so.

Most folks aren’t that fortunate. Many folks don’t understand how 401(k)s function, or how to maximize their value (like not investing enough to get a company match if offered), or that periodic investing will help build up your savings over time.

You can’t just spend a 401(k) at any time. There are rules for using it before retirement, and harsh penalties for early withdrawal.

But Trump will continue to tout the DJIA instead of the fact that the economy grew by 1.9% in the 3d quarter. As Trump himself was fond of saying back when this happened under Obama - that’s real bad news.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:10:30am

re: #330 The Pie Overlord!

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This by the same people who insist water boarding isn’t torture. Well they complain about McCarthyism and also insist McCarthy was right too.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:11:34am

re: #300 lawhawk

I trust that about as far as I can throw my car - a year’s a long time - but if she doesn’t, Hillary gets the credit.

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CarolJ  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:12:41am

re: #279 Belafon

And even in these elections, we get good stuff. Beto didn’t win his Senate seat, but he helped elect several judges and state legislators. Look at the undercard races and their effect. We get people to organize, to register, to win those local races where future state legislators and statewide candidates come from.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:17:58am

re: #331 lawhawk

My dad taught me well too, unfortunately I chose to ignore a lot of what he said and as a result my financial situation isn’t as good as it could be.

But I do know well enough to invest at LEAST enough in a 401K to get the match. Otherwise, you’re just leaving free money on the table for no good reason. I still have at least another 30 years ahead of me before I retire so hopefully I can be shrewd enough to make up for some lost time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:19:04am

re: #334 CarolJ

And even in these elections, we get good stuff. Beto didn’t win his Senate seat, but he helped elect several judges and state legislators. Look at the undercard races and their effect. We get people to organize, to register, to win those local races where future state legislators and statewide candidates come from.

Indeed. I wish more people would look at the local races. We won some and lost some here.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:21:19am

Moron jr.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:24:41am

re: #337 The Pie Overlord!

A chip off the fucked up, orange painted block.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:26:03am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stock Markets (all three) hit another ALL TIME & HISTORIC HIGH yesterday! You are sooo lucky to have me as your President (just kidding!). Spend your money well!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2019

All those unemployed coal miners must be dancing a jig.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:28:02am

re: #127 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Pence may have something to worry about.

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more than that:

ProPublica: “Decisions about U.S. aid are often no longer being governed by career professionals applying a rigorous review of applicants and their capabilities. Over the last two years, political pressure, particularly from the office of Vice President Mike Pence, had seeped into aid deliberations and convinced key decision-makers that unless they fell in line, their jobs could be at stake.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:28:24am

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Turn out today in Ky was a remarkable 41% for an offyear election, 10 points higher than expected. The motherfuckers can’t stop us voting if we refuse to let them.

when dems vote, dems win!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:28:50am

re: #278 Jay C

ADD: And on reflection, I’d float the possibility (except for one thing) - that Trump wants to be booed in New York: that a universally negative reaction to his visit is what he and his creatures are looking for, so that they can exploit it in campaign ads and hate-rallies to rile up the marks about the “East Coast Elites” showing such “rude disrespect” for their beloved Fuhrer Duce President.

The exception, btw, is that this has the makings of being a fairly clever strategy, and since the Trump WH and Administration seem to be staffed by toadies, hacks and imbeciles top to bottom, “clever” is an inappropriate concept.

That is exactly what I was thinking, they can make him a “victim” of his own “success” and proof that ungrateful liberals hate their country even more than they hate him.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:30:09am

November 13 will be the beginning of must see tv, as the GOP go apoplectic and caterwaul like never before so that they can show their displeasure to Trump who counts these things (like how long people clap for him).

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unproven innocence  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:30:10am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:30:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:32:17am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stock Markets (all three) hit another ALL TIME & HISTORIC HIGH yesterday! You are sooo lucky to have me as your President (just kidding!). Spend your money well!

who is he talking to? people who profited from this boom or people who lost jobs and farmers who lost revenue over his trade policies?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:32:26am

re: #168 Dread Pirate

Sen. @RandPaul: “Hunter Biden made $50,000 a month. That’s the definition of corruption. We know he got it only because of his family connections.”

forget the rest of the tweet which is devastating enough and makes rand look like an idiot

i’ll bite on this:

How do “we” know?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:33:43am

re: #345 Joe Bacon 🌹

PA has a Route 666 in the northwestern part of the state. Contrary to my expectations they do not report a high rate of the signs being stolen.

en.wikipedia.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:34:07am

re: #345 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’ll be a broke down, poorly maintained stretch of road with half finished walls on both sides.

//

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:34:30am

re: #345 Joe Bacon 🌹

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ISTR that there actually was a “Route 666” somewhere (in NM? AZ?), but that they had to re-number it because people kept stealing the signs.
Same with Route 420…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:35:39am

re: #350 Jay C

ISTR that there actually was a “Route 666” somewhere (in NM? AZ?), but that they had to re-number it because people kept stealing the signs.
Same with Route 420…

en.wikipedia.org

Current US 491 perhaps?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:37:22am

re: #226 Dave In Austin

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i deserve to win because i spent so much money i bought the win

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:39:49am

re: #257 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

true blue • a few seconds ago
Apparently…
In areas of the country where there is no indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is over 80%.

In areas of the country where there is indoor plumbing, Trump’s approval is under 20%

Discuss..

ok i thought it was clever
i guess not so much

i stand corrected and take my lumps

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:39:57am

WTAF

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:39:59am

Everytime Donnie gets his ass handed to him, his go to is bragging about the stock market. Then, in about 2-3 weeks, the markets will start shitting the bed again. Lather.Rinse.Repeat

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:41:53am

re: #354 The Pie Overlord!

The concern is that if you have health care, you’re going to overuse it?

Well, that’s not unfounded. People who finally have stable health coverage are likely to go to the doctor more frequently at the outset, because they’ve delayed/deferred treatment for ailments. But as they get healthier, their use will go down.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:43:46am

re: #356 lawhawk

The concern is that if you have health care, you’re going to overuse it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:45:14am

re: #356 lawhawk

The concern is that if you have health care, you’re going to overuse it?

Well, that’s not unfounded. People who finally have stable health coverage are likely to go to the doctor more frequently at the outset, because they’ve delayed/deferred treatment for ailments. But as they get healthier, their use will go down.

Yeah I’m not seeing a downside here.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:46:50am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Ideally I want a balance. Someone who knows how to get shit done but isn’t someone who is afraid to mingle with the average voter. That’s Tim Kaine here. He’s been mayor of our capital city, Lt Governor, Senator, & Governor but he has a common touch. Introduced himself to me as Tim when I met him at a local microbrewery last re-election. People who just want “outsiders” are idiots.

in addition to your:
- get shit done - must know the mechanisms and levers of how stuff works
- isnt afraid to mingle - is not above the people you are representing

the only benefit i seen in outsiderism is possibly not ‘corrupted’ by virtue of swimming in the swamp for a long time

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:48:25am

re: #354 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF

We wouldn’t want people being healthy, would we?

That was the same concern raised about the ACA.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:48:34am

Yep!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:50:05am

re: #327 Charmingly Persistent

Sorry, I had to downvote you. I know this is a joke, but there still are people in abject poverty in this country (many on Native American Indian reservations) and they aren’t the problem.

i hope ive sufficiently prostrated myself. seriously

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:50:44am

re: #354 The Pie Overlord!

Elizabeth Warren’s Medicare for All plan risks unintended consequences such as overuse of health care,

you mean like seeking treatment when you are sick?

to an insurance company, anything that causes expenses is “overuse”…

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unproven innocence  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:52:17am

re: #344 unproven innocence
Related:
Rachel Maddow reports on a controversy in the UK in which Prime Minister Boris Johnson is blocking the release of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit vote until after the general election scheduled for December. Aired on 11/05/19.

UK Prime Minister Withholding Report On Russia’s Role In Brexit | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:52:52am

re: #360 Belafon

We wouldn’t want people being healthy, would we?

That was the same concern raised about the ACA.

The notion is that a visit to the doctor and some prescriptions that might cost a few hundred dollars could prevent a trip to the emergency room for an OP that will cost thousands…

and that is what happens a lot in areas where people have no insurance

the ER cannot turn these people away. They get billed but the bills go unpaid and the costs have to be borne by the hospitals, which then pass them on to other users who have insurance…

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:55:29am

re: #365 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Indigent funds for those who don’t have insurance. It’s one of the reasons that rural hospitals and some urban hospitals went bankrupt - they couldn’t cover the ER costs that they had to absorb because the patients didn’t have insurance.

Insurance was one of the key factors in stabilizing health care delivery in many parts of the nation by prevent hospitals from going bankrupt due to lack of compensation for care provided to uninsured persons.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:55:35am

re: #356 lawhawk

The concern is that if you have health care, you’re going to overuse it?

Well, that’s not unfounded. People who finally have stable health coverage are likely to go to the doctor more frequently at the outset, because they’ve delayed/deferred treatment for ailments. But as they get healthier, their use will go down.

Given the specialization stuff if you have an ailment you will get a lot of doctor visits.

My recent anecdote in this regard:
Right knee swells unexpected and painfully. (Could be gout, could be something else.)

I ride it out for a day or so, but then opt to visit an emergency room given that it could be something serious. That results in an X-ray an ultrasound while there plus a recommendation to see an orthopedist. No blood clot, but potentially a ligament issue of some sort. (This info is also communicated to my GP, just in case.)

Visit to orthopedist results in a “it is probably X, maybe Y. You should get an MRI done and then set up another appointment.” Once the insurance approved it I then go to another location and get the MRI done. Then make another appointment with the orthopedist.

(To make things fun at this point - my right knee swelling is down almost to normal. But my left knee now decides it wants to play the same game and swells up. So I’m limping about using a cane or crutches and a heavy knee brace. And… this is going on while I am doing prep for a colonoscopy.)

MRI result is a mild meniscus tear plus some accumulated wear and tear in other places; e.g. age. (Remember folks, the warranty on the human body expires at age 40.) Orthopedist mentions arthroscopic surgery as an option, but I pretty much nix that right there. So we settle for a cortisone shot and a follow-up visit a month later.

Right knee has been fine since. Left one got better and then did a repeat about a week ago.

So, one knee issue resulted in five medical visits (emergency room, MRI, and 3 visits to an orthopedist). And arguably that was for something fairly minor in scope.

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calochortus  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:56:00am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you mean like seeking treatment when you are sick?

to an insurance company, anything that causes expenses is “overuse”…

There are a certain number of people who, if it cost them little to nothing and they have nothing better to do, will spend a lot of time driving their doctor nuts. It can be a problem with Medicare patients because we old people usually have something we can try to fix. I’m sure there are ways to handle this reasonably well other than denying care to poor people.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 8:59:42am

re: #367 Feline Fearless Leader

And insurers and ERs will try to divert a case like yours from the ER because that’s the most expensive place to get care - other than say certain specialized units (oncology, neonatal, ICU, etc.)

They’d seek to have you get your initial care at an urgent care facility, rather than an ER.

That’s why so many hospitals are opening urgent care centers themselves, so that they can leave the ER to actual critical cases.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:03:52am

re: #369 lawhawk

And insurers and ERs will try to divert a case like yours from the ER because that’s the most expensive place to get care - other than say certain specialized units (oncology, neonatal, ICU, etc.)

They’d seek to have you get your initial care at an urgent care facility, rather than an ER.

That’s why so many hospitals are opening urgent care centers themselves, so that they can leave the ER to actual critical cases.

I’d be open to that actually. I was not a critical case, but also was not going to wait the week it would take, or the necessary commute, to see my GP.

(And I have in past experience called a GP, described symptoms to a nurse practitioner on the staff, and been told to go to an emergency room.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:07:19am

Point is, we have such a micro-economic, bottom-line, every-individual-transaction-must-be-paid-for approach that we fail to see that universal healthcare is ultimately cheaper for all involved.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:08:16am

re: #368 calochortus

There are a certain number of people who, if it cost them little to nothing and they have nothing better to do, will spend a lot of time driving their doctor nuts. It can be a problem with Medicare patients because we old people usually have something we can try to fix. I’m sure there are ways to handle this reasonably well other than denying care to poor people.

If the ratio of those people to the general population were 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, that could be an issue, but I be the ratio is more like 1 in 100 or larger, and so, while annoying, it’s not enough to shut down health care.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:09:55am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point is, we have such a micro-economic, bottom-line, every-individual-transaction-must-be-paid-for approach that we fail to see that universal healthcare is ultimately cheaper for all involved.

Not “for all involved”: it’s of no benefit to the for-profit medical industry. Which, in the US anyway, is the fundamental problem.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:11:02am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point is, we have such a micro-economic, bottom-line, every-individual-transaction-must-be-paid-for approach that we fail to see that universal healthcare is ultimately cheaper for all involved.

except for the republicans who, as part of the system, will ‘pay in’ and also be lucky enough to never need it nearly as much as it cost them //

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:12:19am

re: #372 Belafon

If the ratio of those people to the general population were 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, that could be an issue, but I be the ratio is more like 1 in 100 or larger, and so, while annoying, it’s not enough to shut down health care.

its a grasping at straws defense.
‘some people’ may have abused welfare in the past
therefore scrap it entirely, dont consider fixing it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:14:50am

re: #375 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

its a grasping at straws defense.
‘some people’ may have abused welfare in the past
therefore scrap it entirely, dont consider fixing it

especially those people

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:15:31am

re: #375 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

its a grasping at straws defense.
‘some people’ may have abused welfare in the past
therefore scrap it entirely, dont consider fixing it

The GOP used all their arguments against Obamacare. Didin’t (much) work then…

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:21:18am
Democrats racked up historic wins on Tuesday night that also stretched far beyond Virginia and Kentucky. In Tucson, Arizona, former city councilmember Regina Romero became the first woman and first Latina to be elected the city’s mayor. “At a time when our national politics have been sewn with division,” she said, “Tucsonans remain united by our shared desire to promote a safe, just, and sustainable city.”

“Romero, who served three terms on the Tucson City Council, ran on an ambitious platform focused on battling climate change, improving the city’s infrastructure and education system, as well as expanding opportunities for refugee and immigrant communities,” Huffington Post reported. While vote totals have yet to completed, by Tuesday evening she had secured her victory with 56% of the vote.

Her victory is a long time coming for Tucson. Even though Latinos have called the southwest their home for centuries, she is only “the second Hispanic to be elected mayor of Tucson since the Gadsden Purchase,” Arizona Daily Star said. Romero was already breaking barriers before this week, however. The daughter of immigrant farmworkers, she was the first in her family to graduate from college, and was also the first woman to represent Tucson’s Ward 1 on the city council.

dailykos.com

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:22:27am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:24:16am

re: #378 Belafon

In Tucson, Arizona, former city councilmember Regina Romero became the first woman and first Latina to be elected the city’s mayor. “At a time when our national politics have been sewn with division,” she said, “Tucsonans remain united by our shared desire to promote a safe, just, and sustainable city.”

Hooray. I studied and lived in Tucson in 1982-84 and loved the place. It is one place I would consider living if I relocated back to the Southwest.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:27:30am

Parasitic on his own supporters. How Russian.

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calochortus  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:29:05am

re: #372 Belafon

If the ratio of those people to the general population were 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, that could be an issue, but I be the ratio is more like 1 in 100 or larger, and so, while annoying, it’s not enough to shut down health care.

Of course.
I use Kaiser and I’m assuming they have people somewhere gaming out just what the right co-pay is so people won’t use doctor visits as entertainment, but won’t put off a necessary visit.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:31:58am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

The GOP used all their arguments against Obamacare. Didin’t (much) work then…

the ACA had a much broader and deeper reach into the voting populace than welfare (i’m guessing)

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:32:20am

re: #362 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i hope ive sufficiently prostrated myself. seriously

Yeah of course. I knew you didn’t mean it seriously. Most people probably think abject poverty doesn’t exist in this country anymore so it is like making fun of pilgrims or something.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:33:11am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

The GOP used all their arguments against Obamacare. Didin’t (much) work then…

It DID work to generate the 2010 GOP landslide that has screwed this country up!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:34:28am

re: #381 jaunte

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Parasitic on his own supporters. How Russian.

“we dont care, we dont care…”

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:35:36am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:37:16am

re: #387 jaunte

I thought The Don was the savviest and smartest President ever.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:42:39am

re: #387 jaunte

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Except a ton of people knew to hide the ball after the call…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:44:18am

re: #384 Charmingly Persistent

Yeah of course. I knew you didn’t mean it seriously. Most people probably think abject poverty doesn’t exist in this country anymore so it is like making fun of pilgrims or something.

you’re right
and while i am not ” ‘splainin”, this was how it struck me when i read it

- nothing about poverty
- my brain went for rural and not progressive - the heart of trumpland
- i skipped right past ‘outhouses’ and only saw septic tanks, wells and water treatment
- and yes, there are countless reasons why an area might still have those things. i’m only 15 miles from ft. lauderdale and our house has septic, a well, and we just removed our water treatment system since we’re on ‘city’ water.

so yeah, whatever innate privilege i have taught me a lesson

moving on because other than trump groping the Nat’s Suzuki, the news these last few days has a decidedly positive tone

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:44:29am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:47:28am

re: #387 jaunte

Crystal Mason’s lawyers say officials have made an example out of someone who didn’t technically do anything illegal since she didn’t actually vote; the provisional ballot she cast in November 2016 was ultimately thrown out.

still had a trial
and they convicted her.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:48:15am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

Does he need a blowtorch to light one of those?

And presumably it’s just for show since smoking one would take a week, a pump system to get sufficient draw on it, and probably not actually be that enjoyable of a smoke in any case.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:48:51am

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought The Don was the savviest and smartest President ever.

yeah this is gonna be a tough defense for him to participate in

he’s not nearly as good an actor as reagan
and reagan was very likely clueless.
trumps heavy handed fingerprints are all over this

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:49:12am

re: #392 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

still had a trial
and they convicted her.

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But if she did not actually vote then the intent shouldn’t matter. Oh, she wasn’t a Republican? Throw the book!
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:49:50am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

most middle aged guys just by a corvette or a harley

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:51:14am
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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:54:57am

re: #350 Jay C

New Mexico. Satan’s Highway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:55:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:56:29am

oh boy

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 9:59:27am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy

Someone should ask him if the rumors are true that he sweats Cheez Whiz.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:01:41am

I hope Roger goes to jail for a good long time. Fucker deserves it.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:02:17am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pass the popcorn
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:06:18am

And Safiya Khalid faced death threats:

With just a week to go before the election, Safiya Khalid was in tears. She had spent the past six months knocking on hundreds of doors in Lewiston, Maine, the city where she arrived as a refugee more than a decade earlier, and where she hoped to be the first Somali immigrant to win a seat on the city council. Suddenly, online trolls from as far away as Alabama and Mississippi were hurling vile abuse at her, telling her that Muslims had no place in American government and she should go back to where she came from.

She defeated Walter Hill 642-280 in what became a contentious race late in the campaign.

During a celebration at the Agora Grand Event Center after results came in, Khalid said her campaign is proof that “community organizers beat internet trolls.”

Late Tuesday night, Khalid said she had a gut feeling that Lewiston voters wanted change.

“It’s unbelievable,” she said. “My campaign was about pushing Lewiston to go forward, and to have an inclusive and diverse government.”

h/t balloon-juice.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:09:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:11:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:11:29am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:12:13am

re: #404 Belafon

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And Safiya Khalid faced death threats:

h/t balloon-juice.com

We saw a lot of Indian American candidates in our races. It’s a nice coalition here. I’m not surprised she got death threats unfortunately.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:12:50am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:16:11am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point is, we have such a micro-economic, bottom-line, every-individual-transaction-must-be-paid-for approach that we fail to see that universal healthcare is ultimately cheaper for all involved.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:17:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:28:08am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:28:43am

re: #329 Eclectic Cyborg

I am fortunate enough to have a 401K but obviously I can’t just go out and spend that money at will. I also have no other investments or portfolio.

I always contributed the maximum under the plan and, fortunately, for a long while had a generous company match/contribution. After retirement at age 70, my RMD from these accounts (plus my late husband’s account) exceeds my pay at retirement. I know that many who do have access to these plans don’t have the luxury of making significant contributions, but if you can, you should.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:29:12am

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:35:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:36:25am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:37:18am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:38:53am

Dumbass Junior outed the whistleblower.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:40:56am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:44:52am

Ummm….

Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers threw another wrench into the state’s razor-thin gubernatorial outcome late Tuesday night, saying that the legislature could decide the race.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:45:46am

re: #291 Belafon

And it means, in addition to the challenge I expect Cornyn to have, that the GOP will have to throw a lot of money at their their leadership’s races that can’t be spent elsewhere.

Maybe, unlike Mexico and the wall, the Russians will pay for it.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2019 • 10:46:33am

re: #418 The Pie Overlord!

Dumbass Junior outed the whistleblower.

Report this Tweet:
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The GOP had the name, but were too scared to release it, so they got the dumbest member of the gang to do it.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2019 • 12:04:01pm

re: #354 The Pie Overlord!

WTAF

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And Repugs plan will cause overuse of funeral homes. So there is always a tradeoff.

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Semper Fi  Nov 6, 2019 • 4:57:05pm

re: #367 Feline Fearless Leader

Given the specialization stuff if you have an ailment you will get a lot of doctor visits.

My recent anecdote in this regard:
Right knee swells unexpected and painfully. (Could be gout, could be something else.)

I ride it out for a day or so, but then opt to visit an emergency room given that it could be something serious. That results in an X-ray an ultrasound while there plus a recommendation to see an orthopedist. No blood clot, but potentially a ligament issue of some sort. (This info is also communicated to my GP, just in case.)

Visit to orthopedist results in a “it is probably X, maybe Y. You should get an MRI done and then set up another appointment.” Once the insurance approved it I then go to another location and get the MRI done. Then make another appointment with the orthopedist.

(To make things fun at this point - my right knee swelling is down almost to normal. But my left knee now decides it wants to play the same game and swells up. So I’m limping about using a cane or crutches and a heavy knee brace. And… this is going on while I am doing prep for a colonoscopy.)

MRI result is a mild meniscus tear plus some accumulated wear and tear in other places; e.g. age. (Remember folks, the warranty on the human body expires at age 40.) Orthopedist mentions arthroscopic surgery as an option, but I pretty much nix that right there. So we settle for a cortisone shot and a follow-up visit a month later.

Right knee has been fine since. Left one got better and then did a repeat about a week ago.

So, one knee issue resulted in five medical visits (emergency room, MRI, and 3 visits to an orthopedist). And arguably that was for something fairly minor in scope.

Suggest you visit a Physical Therapist for stretching exercises on those legs. Your description of issues sound too familiar.


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