Trump Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller’s Leaked Emails to Breitbart Reveal He’s an Outright White Supremacist

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Many of us already knew there was something deeply wrong with Trump’s senior policy adviser Stephen Miller — his flat affect, dead fish stare, and blatant bigotry were the obvious signs.

But today the Southern Poverty Law Center reveals a batch of emails leaked by former Breitbart propagandist Katie McHugh (the article says she has renounced the far right), showing that he’s every bit as bad as we suspected: Stephen Miller’s Affinity for White Nationalism Revealed in Leaked Emails.

The emails obtained by SPLC show that Miller was obsessed with immigration and race, and frequently included links to overt white supremacist websites like VDARE and American Renaissance. And they also show that Breitbart’s editors were heavily involved in promoting the white supremacist far right into the mainstream of US politics.

McHugh told Hatewatch that Breitbart editors introduced her to Miller in 2015 with an understanding he would influence the direction of her reporting. For that reason, and because Miller would have regarded her as a fellow traveler of the anti-immigrant movement, McHugh sometimes starts conversations with Miller in the emails, seeking his opinion on news stories. Other times, Miller directly suggests story ideas to McHugh, or tells her how to shape Breitbart’s coverage. Periodically, Miller asks McHugh if he can speak to her by phone, taking conversations offline.

“What Stephen Miller sent to me in those emails has become policy at the Trump administration,” McHugh told Hatewatch.

Read the whole article. Unfortunately, I can’t say it’s “shocking,” exactly, but it certainly is revealing — it confirms beyond a doubt that we currently are living under a white supremacist presidency.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 9:58:16am

Same law firm that is currently suing Alex Jones for defamation

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 9:58:21am

No problem, we will just redefine “outright white supremacy” and move on

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:16:05am

We’ve taken so many steps back with Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:17:18am

If Breitbart weren’t mainstream then it wouldn’t be included in FB’s new News Tabs, right? Oh, wait…..

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:19:46am
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Mattand  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:20:58am

Never heard of Katie McHugh until today. From what little I’ve read, she sounds like a vile, racist POS.

So what’s her angle in publicly “repenting” like this? I’m a tad skeptical she’s seen the error of her ways. People like this never do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:24:54am

re: #5 jaunte

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Roberts is an ostrich with his head in the sand.

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Mattand  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:25:15am

Shit, never mind. I have heard of her. Read a Buzzfeed article about her a few months back.

From what I remember, it dawned on her that she ruined her life by being a professional racist, and is really sorry about it now that she can’t get a job anywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:25:26am

re: #6 Mattand

Never heard of Katie McHugh until today. From what little I’ve read, she sounds like a vile, racist POS.

So what’s her angle in publicly “repenting” like this? I’m a tad skeptical she’s seen the error of her ways. People like this never do.

Probably eager for a second chance in the public life.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:26:27am

re: #8 Mattand

Shit, never mind. I have heard of her. Read a Buzzfeed article about her a few months back.

From what I remember, it dawned on her that she ruined her life by being a professional racist, and really sorry about now she can’t get a job anywhere.

Part of me feels bad for her knowing how toxic that movement is but I’d like to see more.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:29:19am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Stephen Miller is the bombthrower, but Roberts is the stealthy side of white supremacy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:29:57am

re: #11 jaunte

Stephen Miller is the bombthrower, but Roberts is the stealthy side of white supremacy.

I really hope we get a CJ in my lifetime that is decent.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:36:27am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:37:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:41:33am

re: #14 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Trump, you sweaty imbecile. you could have lived quietly in the shadows and laundered Russian mob money and fucked porn actresses to your heart’s content but you needed to be the center of attention and crimed right out in public and now your big stupid ass is getting impeached

and nobody would have cared about your tax returns

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:43:28am

re: #11 jaunte

Stephen Miller is the bombthrower, but Roberts is the stealthy side of white supremacy.

Roberts is the epitome of GOP genteel white nationalism. Ignore the institutional racism that exists, enable it where possible, and claim that we’re post-racial by refusing to reauthorize the VRA and striking down various gerrymandered districts that dilute minority votes to enable the GOP to hold an ongoing advantage where possible.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:45:04am

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Thing is we should have cared about all of this stuff all along, but rich and powerful white guys have special accommodations under the law.

White collar crime isn’t prosecuted to the same degree as other crimes.

You rob a guy for $100 and you can face a far harsher sentence than someone who steals $1 million with a few keystrokes or with this one accounting scam/trick.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:46:52am

re: #5 jaunte

The evidence suggests that Roberts is a polite racist who masks his beliefs through courtesy ; one of those who would have supported Plessy vs Ferguson by claiming that separate but equal was just fine, without any concern that the separate was not equal. Unless, perhaps, you can find a ruling in which he actually supports minorities.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:52:25am
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:55:26am

re: #5 jaunte

That 17 year old, who had been here since a child, who was killed when he was sent to Mexico, doesn’t concern Roberts.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:55:47am
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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:57:33am

Emailing once a day for a year would be obsessive. 900 times is a personality disorder.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 10:58:07am

re: #21 gocart mozart

Jews can be racists and bigots just as any other group. Miller is a white nationalist. Just because KKKers and white supremacists wouldn’t consider him pure enough white doesn’t mean that those groups wont benefit from Miller’s racist policies and advancing a white nationalist agenda thanks to Trump and a pliant GOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:01:00am

re: #23 lawhawk

Jews can be racists and bigots just as any other group. Miller is a white nationalist. Just because KKKers and white supremacists wouldn’t consider him pure enough white doesn’t mean that those groups wont benefit from Miller’s racist policies and advancing a white nationalist agenda thanks to Trump and a pliant GOP.

As I recall, Breitbart was also raised by Jewish parents

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:04:51am

re: #8 Mattand

Sorry she can’t make $. Not sorry she’s a racist piece of shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:05:19am

The Golden Rule for everyone should be: NEVER believe ANYTHING the Trump Administration tells you. EVER.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:07:26am

Or worse - enable Trump’s crimes by actively participating in them, the subsequent coverup, or actively misinforming the masses with deflections, obfuscations, and still more lies relying upon conspiracy theories to deflect from fact that Trump unequivocally broke multiple federal laws in his dealings with Ukraine to get dirt on Biden.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:09:44am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:09:57am

Mark Sanford ends his presidential campaign…Guess it took him a while to realize South Carolina cancelled their primary.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:10:37am

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

The fact that such a memo is even necessary should tell you just how fucked up our politics have gotten.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:13:07am

Now just imagine the howls from Republicans if Obama cancelled 2012 Democratic primaries…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:14:25am

re: #21 gocart mozart

Joel Pollak works for Breitbart and there is no doubt that he shares Stephen Miller’s views. The Jews who support Trump are white supremacists who believe that other white supremacists accept them as white. Many do limit their racism to those who are Hispanic or African American and, like McConnell, are not hostile to those of Asian ancestry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:18:28am

re: #27 lawhawk

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Or worse - enable Trump’s crimes by actively participating in them, the subsequent coverup, or actively misinforming the masses with deflections, obfuscations, and still more lies relying upon conspiracy theories to deflect from fact that Trump unequivocally broke multiple federal laws in his dealings with Ukraine to get dirt on Biden.

Oh please shut up Newt. You impeached Clinton for lying about an affair. If Clinton or Obama did what Trump has, you would be encouraging the tiny dick brigade to take up arms. You’re mad because Trump has exposed your party as a corruption enabling cult.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:21:45am

There’s a Wall Street Journal story here citing a survey that recent graduates in entry level jobs will earn an average of $51, 300 a year.

Am I wrong or does 50K seem a bit high for a starting salary in most fields?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:23:38am

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a Wall Street Journal story here citing a survey that recent graduates in entry level jobs will earn an average of $51, 300 a year.

Am I wrong or does 50K seem a bit high for a starting salary in most fields?

I’d be more interested looking at the median.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:30:17am

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Those numbers are probably based on this NACE survey. Graduate with an engineering or a computer science degree, and you’ll likely exceed that number. Graduate with a social science degree, and you’ll fall short.

But the big difference is having a college degree versus not having one.

… workers with a bachelor’s degree earned, on average, $1,198 per week, about 64 percent more than those with only a high school diploma, who were taking home $730 weekly, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:30:48am

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mark Sanford ends his presidential campaign…Guess it took him a while to realize South Carolina cancelled their primary.

who? // .5

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:31:43am

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a Wall Street Journal story here citing a survey that recent graduates in entry level jobs will earn an average of $51, 300 a year.

Am I wrong or does 50K seem a bit high for a starting salary in most fields?

If you are not starting out with $50K in student loan debt…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:32:51am

re: #31 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now just imagine the howls from Republicans if Obama cancelled 2012 Democratic primaries…

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this is what anointing a candidate looks like

failure to get more votes is not anointing the other guy (er, gal)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:36:29am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you are not starting out with $50K in student loan debt…

Yeah, that’s my thing. I don’t make a fortune but I also have ZERO student loan debt from college and would prefer to keep it that way.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:36:41am

These white nationalists are carrying on the evil legacy of Charles Manson. “Camps of the Saints” and “The Turner Diaries” are just another “Helter Skelter” race war prophecy.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:36:51am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Oh please shut up Newt. You impeached Clinton for lying about an affair. If Clinton or Obama did what Trump has, you would be encouraging the tiny dick brigade to take up arms. You’re mad because Trump has exposed your party as a corruption enabling cult.

i wonder if commentators start asking
- how is this different from clinton?
- in light of rick gates’ testimony how is this not exactly clinton (excepting taht it only happened today and no one has connected the dots yet)

- you say whatever he did wasnt a qpq, or bribe, or extortion - if it is ultimately proven with, you know, evidence, then does this rise to the level of impeachment?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:39:23am

re: #23 lawhawk

Jews can be racists and bigots just as any other group. Miller is a white nationalist. Just because KKKers and white supremacists wouldn’t consider him pure enough white doesn’t mean that those groups wont benefit from Miller’s racist policies and advancing a white nationalist agenda thanks to Trump and a pliant GOP.

Indeed. As history attests.

The Association of German National Jews (German: Verband nationaldeutscher Juden) was a German Jewish organization during the Weimar Republic and the early years of Nazi Germany that eventually came out in support of Hitler.

en.wikipedia.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:40:10am

Fired racist Canadian hockey commentator Don Cherry has been offered a new job…in Russia.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:41:25am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Oh please shut up Newt. You impeached Clinton for lying about an affair. If Clinton or Obama did what Trump has, you would be encouraging the tiny dick brigade to take up arms. You’re mad because Trump has exposed your party as a corruption enabling cult.

The terrifying part is that they are not just corrupt but they are actually supportive of Putin and undermining our entire position in the world in favor of a ruthless oligarch and dictator.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:44:14am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, that’s my thing. I don’t make a fortune but I also have ZERO student loan debt from college and would prefer to keep it that way.

I was lucky to have had Social Security and BEOG for my undergrad, financed my grad studies working as a TA and graduated free of debt.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:44:42am

Drudge is actually reporting facts and news.

The reaction from Fox and the other Cult45 members is … revealing.

How dare news outlets cover … *(checks notes)* … uh, news?

Comments on the story from right-wingers are full of racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories.

What is a He-Blew? Is that some Pepe the Frog-type slur for a gay Jew?

Yeah, basically mainstream conservative “thought” these days.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:45:34am

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

The terrifying part is that they are not just corrupt but they are actually supportive of Putin and undermining our entire position in the world in favor of a ruthless oligarch and dictator.

Yep. Hope the tax cuts are worth it. Assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:46:36am

re: #47 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Drudge is actually reporting facts and news.

The reaction from Fox and the other Cult45 members is … revealing.

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Yeah, basically mainstream conservative “thought” these days.

“Went left” is right wing speak for didn’t accept everything Trump did as true or right.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:46:40am

Short-sighted as well as self centered. The libertarians in fact display many attitudes that are analogous to those of the French aristocracy, circa 1789.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:46:41am

WTF is this fucking horse shit?

Dear Charlie, the “whistleblower” can’t receive ANYTHING because nobody even knows who the “whistleblower” is!

Oh are you talking about the person who was doxxed by right-wing nutjobs such as yourself? That is just an innocent person who needs to protect himself from swarms that you incited.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:47:32am

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Fired racist Canadian hockey commentator Don Cherry has been offered a new job…in Russia.

What point about immigrants was the dude even trying to make?

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:48:33am

re: #51 The Pie Overlord!

WTF is this fucking horse shit?

Dear Charlie, the “whistleblower” can’t receive ANYTHING because nobody even knows who the “whistleblower” is!

Oh are you talking about the person who was doxxed by right-wing nutjobs such as yourself? That is just an innocent person who needs to protect himself from swarms that you incited.

Also, if a thief reports a murder, it doesn’t negate the murder charge.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:49:28am

re: #51 The Pie Overlord!

A new complaint filed to the ICIG alleges that the “whistleblower” may be violating federal law after receiving over a quarter MILLION dollars from mostly anonymous donations

Could they be coming from foreign sources?

This “complaint” sounds very legitimate.

Lots of truth and detail here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:49:49am

re: #51 The Pie Overlord!

WTF is this fucking horse shit?

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Dear Charlie, the “whistleblower” can’t receive ANYTHING because nobody even knows who the “whistleblower” is!

Oh are you talking about the person who was doxxed by right-wing nutjobs such as yourself? That is just an innocent person who needs to protect himself from swarms that you incited.

Who pays you Charlie to spout out bs? Must be nice to be a subpar intellect that gets paid an ass load to spread lies and propaganda.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:50:19am

re: #47 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Drudge is actually reporting facts and news.

The reaction from Fox and the other Cult45 members is … revealing.

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Yeah, basically mainstream conservative “thought” these days.

Oh well, the echo chamber wingnuts will have to narrow their search for safe spaces.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:52:46am

re: #47 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Drudge is actually reporting facts and news.

The reaction from Fox and the other Cult45 members is … revealing.

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Yeah, basically mainstream conservative “thought” these days.

Drudge is lot of things but he is not a fool. I think he foresees where this is going, how big it will get, and what the consequences will be for anyone even remotely associated with Trump and the corrupt movement that put him in office.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:52:51am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

“Went left” is right wing speak for didn’t accept everything Trump did as true or right.

What’s on display this week is the factionalization that happens as movements get more & more extreme. The “purists” stake out ever-further positions, and then screech unholy hell at those still at least somewhat tethered to reality.

Same thing happens over on the left. The fact that so much of the Democratic agenda is getting yanked towards policy positions that are anathema to centrists is evidence of this dynamic.

One evil play would be to start doing Agent Provocateur-type shit; encouraging the 4Channers and Gabbers to view mainstream GOPers are “traitors” and to attack them at all turns.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:52:53am

re: #54 Sir John Barron

This “complaint” sounds very legitimate.

Lots of truth and detail here.

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The complaint was reported on Fox & TheFederalist. Very reliable, journalisty sources that would never, ever report “Fake News”

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:52:53am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

Matt smells impeachment in the air and that’s always a nice website traffic driver. More clicks for him.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:53:24am

re: #31 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now just imagine the howls from Republicans if Obama cancelled 2012 Democratic primaries…

But Killary Klinton totally rigged the 2016 I tells ya.

/

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:54:28am

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Drudge is lot of things but he is not a fool. I think he foresees where this is going, how big it will get, and what the consequences will be for anyone even remotely associated with Trump and the corrupt movement that put him in office.

Exactly. He is not a stupid man. Like you said, he likely sees where this is going and he’s probably foreseeing a massive anti-Trump/anti-GOP backlash in the not-too-distant future.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:54:45am

re: #59 The Pie Overlord!

The complaint was reported on Fox & TheFederalist. Very reliable, journalisty sources that would never, ever report “Fake News”

By the way, who funds The Federalist?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:54:47am

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Drudge is lot of things but he is not a fool. I think he foresees where this is going, how big it will get, and what the consequences will be for anyone even remotely associated with Trump and the corrupt movement that put him in office.

Not sure if it’s that calculated. Drudge cut his teeth on reporting on the Clinton impeachment. Perhaps there is some part of him that believes that you report on things like impeachment without having to do it only from the viewpoint of pro-Trump propaganda.

The default position appears to be that of Tucker Carlson, who is saying, “Impeachment? What impeachment? No such thing exists … at least not in my safe little world.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:56:07am

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Fired racist Canadian hockey commentator Don Cherry has been offered a new job…in Russia.

Was Cherry complaining about all the non-Canadians playing on Canadian hockey teams or was his rant the usual rant about Mexicans not assimilating?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:56:42am

re: #62 Dr Lizardo

Exactly. He is not a stupid man. Like you said, he likely sees where this is going and he’s probably foreseeing a massive anti-Trump/anti-GOP backlash in the not-too-distant future.

That may indeed happen. At least, in the long term, as an entire generation grows up disgusted with sick perverted racism that puts children in cages, dehumanizes minorities and justifies any act by a white supremacist by ginning up some ephemeral AntiFa strawman…

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 11:57:22am

re: #58 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Exhibit KKK:

She’s pissed at the very notion that Trump might try to cut a deal. So now that it’s out there, she’s ready to throw Trump to the four winds.

Never mind that it was her bulkshit that in part blew up a prior DACA deal.

White nationalists gotta bigot.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:00:00pm

re: #67 lawhawk

Trump’s still trying to get his wall built.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:03:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #67 lawhawk

Exhibit KKK:

She’s pissed at the very notion that Trump might try to cut a deal. So now that it’s out there, she’s ready to throw Trump to the four winds.

Never mind that it was her bulkshit that in part blew up a prior DACA deal.

White nationalists gotta bigot.

Coulter is another bigot who isn’t really stupid. I think she was one of the first to realize that Trump is just about Trump. Now the problem is she’s going to try to find a true believer to latch on to and make her bigoted bullshit even more mainstream.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:04:22pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:04:42pm

Not all heroes, etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:05:09pm

re: #52 Sir John Barron

What point about immigrants was the dude even trying to make?

Yesterday was Veterans Day. In Canada we call it Remembrance Day but the sentiment is the same.

However, in Canada people wear red poppy pins around this time of year as a show of respect and honor to those who served. I do believe it began as a British tradition that carried across the Atlantic. There’s a famous poem by a Canadian WWI soldier named John McCrae that begins: “In Flanders Fields, the poppies grow between the crosses row by row” which is another reason for the symbolism.

Cherry was ranting because of immigrants in the Toronto area that he felt were being disrespectful by not wearing poppies to honor Canadian servicemen. Now the poppies are 100% voluntary for EVERY single Canadian. It’s a personal choice whether or not you wear one.

Additionally, Cherry was using coded language that made it clear he was specifically talking about Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants, of which Toronto has a large population. So basically Cherry was saying immigrants were “unpatriotic” for not wearing poppies in the same vein as American RWNJs decry people as “Unpatriotic” for wanting to ban guns or not saying the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s the same bigotry in a slightly different coat of paint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:09:08pm
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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:11:15pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speculation that the purse is Maria Ryan’s - Rudy’s latest gf. But that’s pure speculation, and it could be any one.
No idea who the guy is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:12:11pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Yesterday was Veterans Day. In Canada we call it Remembrance Day but the sentiment is the same.

However, in Canada people wear red poppy pins around this time of year as a show of respect and honor to those who served. I do believe it began as a British tradition that carried across the Atlantic. There’s a famous poem by a Canadian WWI soldier named John McCrae that begins: “In Flanders Fields, the poppies grow between the crosses row by row” which is another reason for the symbolism.

Cherry was ranting because of immigrants in the Toronto area that he felt were being disrespectful by not wearing poppies to honor Canadian servicemen. Now the poppies are 100% voluntary for EVERY single Canadian. It’s a personal choice whether or not you wear one.

Additionally, Cherry was using coded language that made it clear he was specifically talking about Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants, of which Toronto has a large population. So basically Cherry was saying immigrants were “unpatriotic” for not wearing poppies in the same vein as American RWNJs decry people as “Unpatriotic” for wanting to ban guns or not saying the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s the same bigotry in a slightly different coat of paint.

Agh. I’m so sick of the patriotism police and reducing patriotism and thanks to veterans to memes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:12:29pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Speculation that the purse is Maria Ryan’s - Rudy’s latest gf. But that’s pure speculation, and it could be any one.
No idea who the guy is.

I would have guessed the purse was Rudy’s…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:12:42pm

re: #32 Hecuba’s daughter

Joel Pollak works for Breitbart and there is no doubt that he shares Stephen Miller’s views. The Jews who support Trump are white supremacists who believe that other white supremacists accept them as white. Many do limit their racism to those who are Hispanic or African American and, like McConnell, are not hostile to those of Asian ancestry.

Why should it be a surprise to anyone about Miller’s true stripes? Remember it is well documented that he was mentored by neo-Nazi Richard Spencer, and worked directly with Peter Brimelow. His denials were specifically for political cover.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:13:39pm

re: #78 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Why should it be a surprise to anyone about Miller’s true stripes? Remember it is well documented that he was mentored by neo-Nazi Richard Spencer, and worked directly with Peter Brimelow. His denials were specifically for political cover.

Exactly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:13:40pm

A senior official at the State Department exaggerated and even outright fabricated several facets of her professional and educational background, including a fake TIME Magazine cover of herself.

An investigation by NBC News found that Mina Chang, who serves as the department’s deputy assistant secretary for the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations at a six-figure salary, has been embellishing her experience as a humanitarian leader by inflating her nonprofit’s accomplishments and making up a role at a U.N. panel on her nonprofit’s website (which went dark several hours after NBC News’ report came out).

Despite Chang’s claims that her nonprofit, Linking the World, has operated and built schools “in places like Afghanistan, Myanmar, Haiti, Kenya,” tax filings uncovered by NBC News show no indication that the nonprofit (with a budget of less than $300,000) has such a wide scope.

She also exaggerated her educational background in her bio on the State Department’s site with claims that she is an “alumna of Harvard Business School” (she doesn’t have a Harvard degree; she merely attended a program at the school for less than two months in 2016) and a “graduate” of the United States Army War College National Security Seminar (a four-day program).

To top it all off, she’s also touted a fake TIME Magazine cover to bolster her image (sound familiar?)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:15:55pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:17:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:19:50pm
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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:21:35pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump had tried to get Chang nominated for a key position, but withdrew her nomination in September:

Assistant administrator for Asia at USAID - salary is $155k (Level 4).

Trump always brings out the worst in everyone around him. He cultivates scammers, con artists, and grifters, and Chang appears to be among the scammers who exaggerated her skills and experience to get a job she was not qualified to do.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:21:41pm

hey boys and girls, guess what time it is.
that’s right!

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191110 edition ——————————————>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:22:01pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:22:35pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s turtles grifters all the way down.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:22:45pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

The best people to drain the swamp, etc

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:22:53pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Speculation that the purse is Maria Ryan’s - Rudy’s latest gf. But that’s pure speculation, and it could be any one.
No idea who the guy is.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:24:26pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

But, but, but, Less Government, F your feelings, etc.

/

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:24:41pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

So Cherry has hurt feelings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:25:32pm

wait for it…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:26:04pm

re: #53 Belafon

Also, if a thief reports a murder, it doesn’t negate the murder charge.

(or the theft)

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:29:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:29:13pm
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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:29:54pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

Was Cherry complaining about all the non-Canadians playing on Canadian hockey teams or was his rant the usual rant about Mexicans not assimilating?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:30:43pm

re: #91 Sir John Barron

So Cherry has hurt feelings.

Yep. Pretty much.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:30:47pm

re: #90 Sir John Barron

But, but, but, Less Government, F your feelings, etc.

/

It’s the same crap they do with the holidays. Everything is one giant whine.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:31:38pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait a minute
who leaves a handbag?
why assume it’s not one of theirs?
there’s no evidence of another person in the photo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:31:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:33:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:33:50pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:34:19pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Yesterday was Veterans Day. In Canada we call it Remembrance Day but the sentiment is the same.

However, in Canada people wear red poppy pins around this time of year as a show of respect and honor to those who served. I do believe it began as a British tradition that carried across the Atlantic. There’s a famous poem by a Canadian WWI soldier named John McCrae that begins: “In Flanders Fields, the poppies grow between the crosses row by row” which is another reason for the symbolism.

Cherry was ranting because of immigrants in the Toronto area that he felt were being disrespectful by not wearing poppies to honor Canadian servicemen. Now the poppies are 100% voluntary for EVERY single Canadian. It’s a personal choice whether or not you wear one.

Additionally, Cherry was using coded language that made it clear he was specifically talking about Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants, of which Toronto has a large population. So basically Cherry was saying immigrants were “unpatriotic” for not wearing poppies in the same vein as American RWNJs decry people as “Unpatriotic” for wanting to ban guns or not saying the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s the same bigotry in a slightly different coat of paint.

maybe they didnt get the manual

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:35:22pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Agh. I’m so sick of the patriotism police and reducing patriotism and thanks to veterans to memes.

‘individuality is fine as long as we all do it together”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:35:57pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You worked for a guy who belittled a disabled reporter.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:36:50pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tone? Mattis? General “Mad Dog” Mattis?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:37:57pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Despite Chang’s claims that her nonprofit, Linking the World, has operated and built schools “in places like Afghanistan, Myanmar, Haiti, Kenya,” tax filings uncovered by NBC News show no indication that the nonprofit (with a budget of less than $300,000) has such a wide scope.

to be fair she did say places “like” Afghanistan, etc, not that they were those places

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:38:30pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and you know there’s someone in the admin going “she didnt have to do all that, we’d have hired her anyway”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:38:55pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Yesterday was Veterans Day. In Canada we call it Remembrance Day but the sentiment is the same.

However, in Canada people wear red poppy pins around this time of year as a show of respect and honor to those who served. I do believe it began as a British tradition that carried across the Atlantic. There’s a famous poem by a Canadian WWI soldier named John McCrae that begins: “In Flanders Fields, the poppies grow between the crosses row by row” which is another reason for the symbolism.

The poem was indeed the original inspiration, but it was an American woman who started the poppy movement:

Across the Atlantic, a woman named Moina Michael read “In Flanders Field” in the pages of Ladies’ Home Journal that November, just two days before the armistice. A professor at the University of Georgia at the time the war broke out, Michael had taken a leave of absence to volunteer at the New York headquarters of the Young Women’s Christian Association (YWCA), which trained and sponsored workers overseas. Inspired by McCrae’s verses, Michael wrote her own poem in response, which she called “We Shall Keep Faith.”

As a sign of this faith, and a remembrance of the sacrifices of Flanders Field, Michael vowed to always wear a red poppy; she found an initial batch of fabric blooms for herself and her colleagues at a department store. After the war ended, she returned to the university town of Athens, and came up with the idea of making and selling red silk poppies to raise money to support returning veterans.

Michael’s campaign to create a national symbol for remembrance—a poppy in the colors of the Allied nations’ flags entwined around a victory torch—didn’t get very far at first. But in mid-1920, she managed to get Georgia’s branch of the American Legion, a veteran’s group, to adopt the poppy (minus the torch) as its symbol. Soon after that, the National American Legion voted to use the poppy as the official U.S. national emblem of remembrance when its members convened in Cleveland in September 1920.

history.com

edited to add the source link

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:39:29pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Speculation that the purse is Maria Ryan’s - Rudy’s latest gf. But that’s pure speculation, and it could be any one.
No idea who the guy is.

It could be Rudy’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:40:20pm

re: #110 The Pie Overlord!

It could be Rudy’s.

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that’s what I said
;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:40:36pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

The poem was indeed the original inspiration, but it was an American woman who started the poppy movement:

Yes, I used to collect money for the VFW (grandad was a WW1 vet) selling paper poppies in November.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:41:26pm

On this day, 12 November 1970, the Oregon state Highway Division used dynamite to remove the carcass of a 14-meter-long whale that had washed up on the beach of Florence, OR. And Portland TV station KATU was there to preserve that moment in all its dubious glory.

Oregon’s Exploding Whale - 2012 KATU AM Northwest (KATU’s 50th Anniversary)

My ex-wife refused to believe this story was true - until I showed her video of the event. She was, to put it mildly, flabbergasted.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:42:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:42:50pm

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I used to collect money for the VFW (grandad was a WW1 vet) selling paper poppies in November.

They were worn by everyone in our gradeschool in the 50s. The nuns were probably the source.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:46:19pm

Steaming hot take, right out of the oven!

And of course the gun fetishist, when faced with pushback, goes all HURR DURR IT WUZ A JOKE, STOOPID LIBRTARDS!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:48:12pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

Steaming hot take, right out of the oven!

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Right wing humor is so stupid.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:50:21pm

re: #110 The Pie Overlord!

It could be Rudy’s.

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..is what i was saying

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:51:56pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

As an activist for the 2nd Amendment, I have to say that Jeffrey Epstein not killing himself is the very reason that you should be carrying.

Forced suicide (read murder) can only be stopped by self-defense. The best tool for that is your firearm.

Prisoners should all be armed to defend against possible forced suicide….got it.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:52:26pm

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As I recall, Breitbart was also raised by Jewish parents

And executive editor Bannon took his daughters out of a school because he thought there were too many Jews.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:56:07pm

re: #120 Barefoot Grin

And executive editor Bannon took his daughters out of a school because he thought there were too many Jews.

Yep but all is forgiven because he “loves Israel.” It’s the same crap Orban gets away with in Hungary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:56:42pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:57:21pm

re: #114 Charmingly Persistent

another key aspect: no one’s doing a damn thing about him

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:58:36pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

oh, ‘the left’ can take a joke
you just didnt tell one

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:59:41pm

re: #124 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

oh, ‘the left’ can take a joke
you just didnt tell one

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Really. They think they’re offending us and reality is we’re just rolling our eyes at how stupid their takes are.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 12, 2019 • 12:59:53pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Imagine if that is the only video footage left in a thousand years… what will people of the future think?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:00:03pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:01:23pm

re: #126 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Imagine if that is the only video footage left in a thousand years… what will people of the future think?

if they are ‘earth’s future people and not visiting aliens, they probably built a religion around it

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:02:38pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

As an activist for the #2ndAmendment, I have to say that Jeffrey Epstein not killing himself is the very reason that you should be carrying.

Forced suicide (read murder) can only be stopped by self-defense. The best tool for that is your firearm. #AlwaysCarry #TGPS

— Greg Pruett

Lol whut?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:03:27pm

re: #129 Sir John Barron

Lol whut?

It doesn’t even make sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:03:47pm

jfc, these people…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:04:22pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:05:25pm

re: #126 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Imagine if that is the only video footage left in a thousand years… what will people of the future think?

“We’re not exactly 100% sure on this, but we’re fairly sure that blowing up whales was part of a complex religious ritual that these primitive humans called ‘Oregonians’ participated in.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:06:42pm

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

“We’re not exactly 100% sure on this, but we’re fairly sure that blowing up whales was part of a complex religious ritual that these primitive humans called ‘Oregonians’ participated in.”

gmta

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:07:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:08:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:09:19pm

re: #126 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Imagine if that is the only video footage left in a thousand years… what will people of the future think?

The Whale : Ahhh! Woooh! What’s happening? Who am I? Why am I here? What’s my purpose in life? What do I mean by who am I? Okay okay, calm down calm down get a grip now. Ooh, this is an interesting sensation. What is it? Its a sort of tingling in my… well I suppose I better start finding names for things. Lets call it a… tail! Yeah! Tail! And hey, what’s this roaring sound, whooshing past what I’m suddenly gonna call my head? Wind! Is that a good name? It’ll do. Yeah, this is really exciting. I’m dizzy with anticipation! Or is it the wind? There’s an awful lot of that now isn’t it? And what’s this thing coming toward me very fast? So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ‘Ow’, ‘Ownge’, ‘Round’, ‘Ground’! That’s it! Ground! Ha! I wonder if it’ll be friends with me? Hello, Ground!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:10:01pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

This detail about the Ukraine scandal does not get enough attention: “Five officials who dealt with Ukraine have resigned since September.”

Making the Deep State shallower with each resignation!!!

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:10:49pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Trump continues to act as though he’s above the law, and every institution put in place to make sure that those in office adhere to the rule of law is threatened by the tangerine toddler and a willing and culpable GOP that enables Trump to pursue this course of action.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:11:16pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

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Yeah that’s the mark of someone who did nothing wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:13:10pm

re: #139 lawhawk

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Trump continues to act as though he’s above the law, and every institution put in place to make sure that those in office adhere to the rule of law is threatened by the tangerine toddler and a willing and culpable GOP that enables Trump to pursue this course of action.

He’s enabled by people who will act like any Democratic use of executive power is tyrannical. That’s why I’ve given up on good faith. Republicans aren’t interested in good faith. They’re interested in an all powerful executive when they have executive power but think any Democratic use of executive power is awful.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:13:11pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought of Douglas Adams upon rewatching that video.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:13:38pm

re: #142 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I thought of Douglas Adams upon rewatching that video.

me too…very first thing

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:14:41pm

re: #142 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I thought of Douglas Adams upon rewatching that video.

Whale Meat Again

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:15:07pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

he may have even been right in his evaluation of the rules (of course he was)
but it’s not what trump wanted so blammo!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:15:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:16:19pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:16:26pm

re: #145 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

he may have even been right in his evaluation of the rules (of course he was)
but it’s not what trump wanted so blammo!

It is a message. His replacement won’t make the same “mistake”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:17:14pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:18:18pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Trump is libeling them by calling them criminals. He’s a repugnant toad who should spend his last days in a cell.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:18:34pm

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a message. His replacement won’t make the same “mistake”.

replacement

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:19:53pm

re: #151 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

replacement

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A smarter Trump could happen but we’ll be ready for it next time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:21:15pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

And Trump is libeling them by calling them criminals. He’s a repugnant toad who should spend his last days in a cell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:22:44pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am so sick of his stupid tweets and “deals.” The only reason why he’s ever got any deals is organized crime.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:23:07pm

Go on Donnie, Fire the IG while you’re in the middle of an Impeachment Inquiry.

I dare you.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:23:38pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Go on Donnie, Fire the IG while you’re in the middle of an Impeachment Inquiry.

I dare you.

yes please

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:24:23pm
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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:25:04pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a Wall Street Journal story here citing a survey that recent graduates in entry level jobs will earn an average of $51, 300 a year.

Am I wrong or does 50K seem a bit high for a starting salary in most fields?

$51,300 a year works out to about $24.66 an hour. If you’re in a state with minimum wage in the $11-12 range, that’s probably about right for an entry level job with a college degree. (Also, keep in mind that a lot of recent graduates are going to have work experience as well)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:26:49pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #158 KGxvi

At least out here on the left coast, starting salaries around $50k would be about right for a 4 year degree not in a technical subject.

Some highly-sought skills in engineering may command twice that.

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:29:05pm

re: #158 KGxvi

$51,300 a year works out to about $24.66 an hour. If you’re in a state with minimum wage in the $11-12 range, that’s probably about right for an entry level job with a college degree. (Also, keep in mind that a lot of recent graduates are going to have work experience as well)

Around here you’re doing good to find a buck over minimum with a college degree. IF I get the night manager’s job, I might move up to $20 an hour and that would be one of the highest paying jobs in the area.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:29:40pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:31:51pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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Many Democrats are dropping the phrase “quid pro quo” because many Republicans seem to believe those exact words needed to appear in the call transcript in order for Trump to be guilty of a crime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:33:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:34:55pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Phil’s innocent. Look at those eyes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:35:49pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Phil’s innocent. Look at those eyes.

forget the eyes…look at those EARS!!!

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:36:10pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Many Democrats are dropping the phrase “quid pro quo” because many Republicans seem to believe those exact words needed to appear in the call transcript in order for Trump to be guilty of a crime.

Also “quid pro quo” is the basics of contract law, something for something, basically. It is not, in and of itself, illegal/unlawful. What Trump did is better thought of as extortion. It can (and should) also be explained as failing to see the law is faithfully executed, which is what his oath of office includes. It is also (and should be) explainable as abandoning an ally in favor of an adversary to whom Trump seems to have a very strange fondness.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:37:11pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

i’ll go further. this is what happens when
an act turns into
an investigation turns into
an indictment turns into
a trial where specific legal charges, terms and standards are applied

‘he killed someone’ becomes ‘murder in the second degree’ or whatever

which is why that whole ‘no collusion’ mantra was inane

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:38:45pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:40:29pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:40:33pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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The problem with broadening impeachment is that it seems House Dems only really have a mandate from the public on going after Trump for his crimes involving Ukraine. I think one of the replies to David is a good approach: Use the opportunity that is presented by a trial in the Senate to present it as part of a vast ocean of crimes Trump has committed, but keep the focus on the crimes for which we have him dead to rights. The simple reality is that Dems had the opportunity to hold Trump to account for the crimes revealed in the Mueller Report, but they punted on the argument that “more investigations are needed.” Going back to that well that the Repubs have already thoroughly poisoned would be a mistake.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:41:25pm
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Florida Panhandler  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:42:53pm

re: #32 Hecuba’s daughter

Joel Pollak works for Breitbart and there is no doubt that he shares Stephen Miller’s views. The Jews who support Trump are white supremacists who believe that other white supremacists accept them as white. Many do limit their racism to those who are Hispanic or African American and, like McConnell, are not hostile to those of Asian ancestry.

All one needs to do is watch the “Hail Ants” bit from the Simpsons to see what sort of Jewish character Miller is. One who is all-too willing to lead others to their demise to save his own skin. Similar to Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django Unchained. These vile types of people are real and infest the Trump Administration from top to bottom.

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:42:58pm

re: #167 KGxvi

Also “quid pro quo” is the basics of contract law, something for something, basically. It is not, in and of itself, illegal/unlawful. What Trump did is better thought of as extortion. It can (and should) also be explained as failing to see the law is faithfully executed, which is what his oath of office includes. It is also (and should be) explainable as abandoning an ally in favor of an adversary to whom Trump seems to have a very strange fondness.

Hence the efforts in recent weeks to spin Trump’s efforts as a “good thing” by promoting the BS that Trump was looking to combat “corruption” in Ukraine via withholding aid until they committed to “investigations.” And the directly related argument that “that’s how diplomacy works.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:43:10pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure it was revenge just like Milo leaking Spencer’s tantrum.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:44:14pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

The problem with broadening impeachment is that it seems House Dems only really have a mandate from the public on going after Trump for his crimes involving Ukraine. I think one of the replies to David is a good approach: Use the opportunity that is presented by a trial in the Senate to present it as part of a vast ocean of crimes Trump has committed, but keep the focus on the crimes for which we have him dead to rights. The simple reality is that Dems had the opportunity to hold Trump to account for the crimes revealed in the Mueller Report, but they punted on the argument that “more investigations are needed.” Going back to that well that the Repubs have already thoroughly poisoned would be a mistake.

there’s still however many counts of obstruction
abuse of power
etc

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:46:04pm

re: #167 KGxvi

18 USC 873. Extortion against a foreign official.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:50:38pm

a good simplified summary from huffpo (edited):

Making the entire scandal seem messy and complicated is exactly what Trump and his allies are aiming to do in advance of this week’s first House hearings in the impeachment investigation.

Here are the key facts:

- Trump pressured a foreign country to investigate his political rival.
(Both Trump’s assertion about Biden and his claim that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. election are conspiracy theories.)

- Trump withheld U.S. military aid to Ukraine.

- The White House tried to cover up Trump’s actions.

- It’s not clear what, if any, role Trump had in this cover-up.

- Rudy Giuliani had an outsized role in foreign policy, despite not being in government.

- The whistleblower complaint remains correct ― and largely irrelevant.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:52:04pm

Fuck Katie McHugh. Her tweets were some of the vilest of the vile among the Breitbart crew, and that’s saying something. She’s a stupid racist bitch. She’s got a long way to atonement.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:54:08pm

The only reason people are saying Katie McHugh *might* have disavowed the alt-right is because she realized she’s completely unemployable. She’s sorry she got caught, not sorry for her ugly racist past.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:54:35pm

JFC the entire fucking GOP needs to go down.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:56:14pm

re: #181 The Pie Overlord!

JFC the entire fucking GOP needs to go down.

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Says the party paying off farmers to cover up the failure of the trade policies. Red baiting is so pathetic yet predictable from these clowns.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:56:45pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Says the party paying off farmers to cover up the failure of the trade policies. Red baiting is so pathetic yet predictable from these clowns.

+1 (like shooting fish…)

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 1:58:27pm

re: #178 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

a good simplified summary from huffpo (edited):

And this is why the “narrow” approach is appropriate in this circumstances. The more you try to complicate things for a jury, the more likely they are to buy into the defense’s argument that the prosecution is throwing anything and everything at the wall in the hopes that something will stick. Too many folks fail to realize that there are numerous crimes within this one investigation, all of which are about to be compounded in open hearings for weeks to come.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:02:26pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

And this is why the “narrow” approach is appropriate in this circumstances. The more you try to complicate things for a jury, the more likely they are to buy into the defense’s argument that the prosecution is throwing anything and everything at the wall in the hopes that something will stick. Too many folks fail to realize that there are numerous crimes within this one investigation, all of which are about to be compounded in open hearings for weeks to come.

and some of those other investigations arent dead. just taking other avenues - ie emoluments, the wall etc

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:02:39pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Says the party paying off farmers to cover up the failure of the trade policies. Red baiting is so pathetic yet predictable from these clowns.

They’re always against “socialism” that doesn’t directly benefit themselves. If Pelosi and Schumer came out tomorrow to promote subsidies to power companies to promote the expansion of coal mining and power generation in this country, all those “capitalists” in D.C. would rush to get that bill to Trump’s desk, where Cheeto Benito would sign it with great relish.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:02:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:08:55pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

They’re always against “socialism” that doesn’t directly benefit themselves. If Pelosi and Schumer came out tomorrow to promote subsidies to power companies to promote the expansion of coal mining and power generation in this country, all those “capitalists” in D.C. would rush to get that bill to Trump’s desk, where Cheeto Benito would sign it with great relish.

Exactly.

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:09:23pm

re: #187 jaunte

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That “tax cut” Trump is floating is yet another attempt to buy his way out of impeachment and into reelection. Like the used car salesman that he is, he keeps trying to “sweeten the pot” in order to make the sale, knowing that most of what he’s “giving away” either directly benefits himself or carries no real value compared to what he’s trying to sell you.

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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:09:55pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We made a promise to millions of Kurds, too.

American promises aren’t worth what they used to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:11:05pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:14:17pm

Some Katie McHugh tweets:

British settlers built the USA. ‘Slaves’ built the country much as cows ‘built’ McDonald’s. Amateur.

The only way to strike a balance between vigilance, discrimination, (& terror) is to end Muslim immigration.

Funny how Europeans assimilated, unlike Third Worlders demanding welfare while raping, killing Americans.

Dear “native people,” Where is your space program? Discovery of the wheel? Civilization? Love, America

Indian tribes never bothered to build any kind of civilization. They killed each other and chased bison. Yawn~

Meanwhile on Planet Earth, refugees PEED IN A CHILD’S MOUTH WHILE FILMING HER SEX ASSAULT. Why don’t you cover that?

There would be no deadly terror attacks in the U.K. if Muslims didn’t live there.

Fuck her.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:14:47pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is social media used for good. Interesting thing I tbh never thought about but it makes since given before time zones, the times were broken down to the minute. I forgot if that was a direct byproduct of railroads or something that came about with railroads.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:14:59pm
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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:17:27pm

I keep going back and forth on whether there should be wide ranging articles of impeachment or if it should be narrow.

An argument against a wide scope impeachment trial with many different articles of impeachment is that it gives the GOP the ability to save Trump while also voting to convict. The theory would basically be this:

1. we have 12 articles of impeachment for everything from abuse of power to obstruction of justice to nepotism to whatever
2. Dems vote to convict on all or a significant number of the charges
3. Republicans in the Senate split their vote, so 10 vote for this article but not that, 6 or 7 vote for that article but not these
4. End result is 55-63 Senators voting to convict and remove on 12 articles but none get to the magic number of 67

A narrow impeachment makes it harder for Senate Republicans to play that game. But it also sets Trump up to argue that all the other stuff he did was just fine and dandy

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:17:34pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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As far as I’m concerned, they both can fuck off. I’d rather Katie renounce and then let us forget about her by going far away from politics and current events. Ski’s right. This was one of the worst of the alt right assholes.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:19:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:20:28pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:20:34pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

That “tax cut” Trump is floating is yet another attempt to buy his way out of impeachment and into reelection. Like the used car salesman that he is, he keeps trying to “sweeten the pot” in order to make the sale, knowing that most of what he’s “giving away” either directly benefits himself or carries no real value compared to what he’s trying to sell you.

tried it in 2018
didnt work

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:22:10pm

re: #197 The Pie Overlord!

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Greenwald is a left winger like the Washington Generals are a basketball team though the generals at least try to look the part.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:23:26pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Greenwald is a left winger like the Washington Generals are a basketball team though the generals at least try to look the part.

the Washington Generals have actual talent

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:24:23pm

re: #114 Charmingly Persistent

The correct response to Miller and other Nazis is anger, not resignation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:24:52pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

the Washington Generals have actual talent

That too.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:25:00pm

BIG BURLY MANLY MEN BAWLING THIER EYES OUT BECAUSE I SAVED THEM FROM DOOM is big lying energy. Right up there with his “Sir” stories.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:25:56pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:26:32pm

re: #195 KGxvi

I keep going back and forth on whether there should be wide ranging articles of impeachment or if it should be narrow.

An argument against a wide scope impeachment trial with many different articles of impeachment is that it gives the GOP the ability to save Trump while also voting to convict. The theory would basically be this:

1. we have 12 articles of impeachment for everything from abuse of power to obstruction of justice to nepotism to whatever
2. Dems vote to convict on all or a significant number of the charges
3. Republicans in the Senate split their vote, so 10 vote for this article but not that, 6 or 7 vote for that article but not these
4. End result is 55-63 Senators voting to convict and remove on 12 articles but none get to the magic number of 67

A narrow impeachment makes it harder for Senate Republicans to play that game. But it also sets Trump up to argue that all the other stuff he did was just fine and dandy

getting away with it isnt the same as fine and dandy
as we all know, not being charged (or caught) doesnt mean no crime was committed

it’s also not a precedent or any kind of carte blanche for presidents down the line to engage in teh same behavior. the political aspect to all of this - how he might end up ‘getting away with it’ is something that cant be ignored

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:27:01pm

jeebus, Joe…just no…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:27:18pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

BIG BURLY MANLY MEN BAWLING THIER EYES OUT BECAUSE I SAVED THEM FROM DOOM is big lying energy. Right up there with his “Sir” stories.

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Has Trump ever told the one about the poor English orphan that he saved from a gang of pickpockets though the lying news media should be nicer to Bill Sykes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:27:54pm

re: #205 The Pie Overlord!

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Damn. I’d take that over Turducken easily.

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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:28:28pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

Some Katie McHugh tweets:

“There would be no deadly terror attacks in the U.K. if Muslims didn’t live there.”

Fuck her.

Lord Mountbatten was not available for comment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:29:12pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, Joe…just no…

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Joe really isn’t taking falling really well. This is really sad to watch. I like Biden. I respect Biden but he’s not the future.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:29:32pm

re: #205 The Pie Overlord!

nope
didnt need the turducken, sorry Chef Paul
dont need this

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:30:42pm

re: #210 sagehen

Lord Mountbatten was not available for comment.

You’d think someone named McHugh would get that but nope I guess those Western Civilization never does terrorism have never read about the Troubles, Basque-Spain conflicts, or Yugoslavia.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:32:22pm

re: #206 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

getting away with it isnt the same as fine and dandy
as we all know, not being charged (or caught) doesnt mean no crime was committed

it’s also not a precedent or any kind of carte blanche for presidents down the line to engage in teh same behavior. the political aspect to all of this - how he might end up ‘getting away with it’ is something that cant be ignored

To Trump “getting away with it”and “fine and dandy” are the same thing.

The issue of precedent is going to remain open for a while

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:32:41pm

OK, cute video time.

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:33:23pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Joe really isn’t taking falling really well. This is really sad to watch. I like Biden. I respect Biden but he’s not the future.

Democrats need to wage total war vs. Republicans and find a way to make their donor class one of their stakeholders rather than the only stakeholder.

That will be difficult as hell to pull off, and Biden doesn’t seem interested in even trying, on either front.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:37:42pm

re: #216 EPR-radar

Democrats need to wage total war vs. Republicans and find a way to make their donor class one of their stakeholders rather than the only stakeholder.

That will be difficult as hell to pull off, and Biden doesn’t seem interested in even trying, on either front.

He’s still acting like Trump being defeated will lift some kind of spell on the elected right. His years of hardwork can’t be ignored imo but aren’t everything. We’re in a new era that is so much different than the one Biden entered politics in.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:37:59pm

CNN nailing the Chyron game today:

RECORDS SHOW TRUMP HAD AT LEAST 10 INTERACTIONS WITH GIULIANI ASSOCIATES HE SAID HE ‘DIDN’T KNOW’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:39:24pm

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

CNN nailing the Chyron game today:

RECORDS SHOW TRUMP HAD AT LEAST 10 INTERACTIONS WITH GIULIANI ASSOCIATES HE SAID HE ‘DIDN’T KNOW’

Gonna be a bad night to be the WH toilet.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:39:45pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

Funny how Europeans assimilated, unlike Third Worlders demanding welfare while raping, killing Americans.

Wow, sounds terrible. Where is this happening?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:41:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:42:25pm

re: #220 Sir John Barron

Wow, sounds terrible. Where is this happening?

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Things are bleak when your worldview was helped being set by a pathetic drunk Goldman Sachs washout and film producet who fancied himself a working class hero.

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:43:09pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

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I swear, it’s like wingnuts and the “liberal media” alike keep a picture of her in a box labeled “In Case of Dems In Array, Break Glass.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:43:11pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

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It would be easier. I know exactly how bad Trump as President is firsthand now.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:44:47pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

I swear, it’s like wingnuts and the “liberal media” alike keep a picture of her in a box labeled “In Case of Dems In Array, Break Glass.”

I regret only one upding to give, etc

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:44:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:45:13pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

I swear, it’s like wingnuts and the “liberal media” alike keep a picture of her in a box labeled “In Case of Dems In Array, Break Glass.”

She seems happy with retirement. Obviously she wishes she were potus now but if any failed nominee has a right to criticize the winner, it’s her. Electing Trump was the worst thing we’ve done collectively as a country in a long tome.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:45:38pm

re: #160 William Lewis

Around here you’re doing good to find a buck over minimum with a college degree. IF I get the night manager’s job, I might move up to $20 an hour and that would be one of the highest paying jobs in the area.

Around here, DFW, with an engineering or other hard to fill degree, you’ll start at least at $65K. My son is studying supply chain management, and the son of a friend of ours that just got his degree in that started at $81K.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:45:58pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

He’s still acting like Trump being defeated will lift some kind of spell on the elected right. His years of hardwork can’t be ignored imo but aren’t everything. We’re in a new era that is so much different than the one Biden entered politics in.

I think the calculation that Biden is working from is that once Trump is defeated he will be excommunicated. We’ve talked about how Limbaugh and Hannity and the rest will suddenly start talking about how they are liberated from Trump and that he was never a real conservative and that he was a Democrat most of his life and that we shouldn’t be surprised that a Democrat-lite couldn’t govern based on true conservative values and yada yada yada.

The idea is similar to how it was hard to find former Nazis in Germany in 1955, it’ll be hard to find Trump supporters in Washington in 2021. The odds of that are much better if the Democrats will big in down ballot races in 2020.

The problem is that Trump isn’t the cause, he’s just the end result of a GOP that’s become older, whiter, more isolated, and stewed in grievance for a decade and a half. How we deal with that, as a society, is a much more pressing issue. And Biden is the least equipped to deal with it in the Democratic field (I’m not sure anyone is well equipped to deal with it)

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Jay C  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:46:04pm

re: #220 Sir John Barron

Wow, sounds terrible. Where is this happening?

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Everywhere!
Everywhere there’s an immigrant!

You just don’t ever hear about it because the Lying Lamestream Media keeps covering the “news” up….

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:46:42pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, Joe…just no…

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Joe, we get it, you’re a fossilized relic of a period in Dem politics when there was a sane opposition party that didn’t think “compromise” was a four letter word.

Unfortunately, much like the best opportunity for you to run for the presidency, that point in our country’s history has passed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:48:41pm

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

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Ukraine isn’t a separate incident. It’s part of the original crime, its cover up, and new crimes. Trump’s empire works the same way. I really hope SDNY introduces RICO to the Trump family.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:48:44pm

re: #197 The Pie Overlord!

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Is anyone surprised?

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:49:11pm

There’s a 1,800 ft. tall hill (we call it a “hill” here, it would definitely be a “mountain” elsewhere) less than a mile south of my house. These days the sun goes behind it early, today it was 3:30 p.m. when that happened.

Still getting used to the time change. *sigh*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:49:16pm

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

I agree with that tweet. People have to start facing consequences for this shit. Rules can only hold sway if there is strong enforcement of violations.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:49:37pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

On the plus side you’ll be skiing again real soon.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:49:56pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

Unfortunately, much like the best opportunity for you to run for the presidency, that point in our country’s history has passed.

Joe’s run for president now, four times (twice in the 80s, in 2008, and now). Based on past experience, there’s never been a best opportunity for him to run.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:50:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:50:57pm

re: #229 KGxvi

I think the calculation that Biden is working from is that once Trump is defeated he will be excommunicated. We’ve talked about how Limbaugh and Hannity and the rest will suddenly start talking about how they are liberated from Trump and that he was never a real conservative and that he was a Democrat most of his life and that we shouldn’t be surprised that a Democrat-lite couldn’t govern based on true conservative values and yada yada yada.

The idea is similar to how it was hard to find former Nazis in Germany in 1955, it’ll be hard to find Trump supporters in Washington in 2021. The odds of that are much better if the Democrats will big in down ballot races in 2020.

The problem is that Trump isn’t the cause, he’s just the end result of a GOP that’s become older, whiter, more isolated, and stewed in grievance for a decade and a half. How we deal with that, as a society, is a much more pressing issue. And Biden is the least equipped to deal with it in the Democratic field (I’m not sure anyone is well equipped to deal with it)

Yep. And I think with what Nikki Haley is doing, we’re seeing the shapes of the post-Trump GOP where Trump did nothing wrong and those few who called him out were just deep staters. The GOP base isn’t going to grow imo.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:51:04pm

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Already been skiing once. Going again on Friday.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:52:16pm

re: #230 Jay C

Everywhere!
Everywhere there’s an immigrant!

You just don’t ever hear about it because the Lying Lamestream Media keeps covering the “news” up….

Some of them are even my family members. And they usually own the better restaurants even here in Western Loudoun.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:53:32pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

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Did they single him out for being Jewish? Nope they called a Jewish guy a bigot. Didn’t these freaks insist we considered all criticism of Obama to be racist?

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:53:44pm

re: #237 KGxvi

Joe’s run for president now, four times (twice in the 80s, in 2008, and now). Based on past experience, there’s never been a best opportunity for him to run.

It’s been my opinion for awhile that Biden’s best chance at winning the nomination was in ‘16: He was more popular than Hillary, would have been seen as more “sane” than Bernie, and the only other opposition at the time was the atrophied remains of the “Reagan Democrat” wing of the party.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:54:08pm
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Jay C  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:55:14pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

This is social media used for good. Interesting thing I tbh never thought about but it makes since given before time zones, the times were broken down to the minute. I forgot if that was a direct byproduct of railroads or something that came about with railroads.

IIRC, various proposals for standardized time zones had been kicking around since the mid-19th Century, but didn’t get enacted (at least in the US) til 1883. And yes, the railroads were big boosters of the plan: prior to that, I think, every town and city in the country had its own Local Time: more-or-less set to keep 12:00 noon at when the sun was highest in the local sky.
And despite its drawbacks (as that graph shows), it was a lot easier keeping times consistent when all you really needed was one very-accurate clock to keep time for the whole country. Like we do today, only with gears and springs, rather than Cesium atoms and electronics….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:56:06pm

re: #237 KGxvi

Joe’s run for president now, four times (twice in the 80s, in 2008, and now). Based on past experience, there’s never been a best opportunity for him to run.

I thought it was only ‘88. Biden could be a decent President but he’s really not the best captain of the ship if you get to choose. He’s a great guy to have. That’s not a slight. Some of the greatest statesmen and women just didn’t have the presidential caliber. It takes an unique personality to be a successful one.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:56:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 2:57:54pm

re: #245 Jay C

IIRC, various proposals for standardized time zones had been kicking around since the mid-19th Century, but didn’t get enacted (at least in the US) til 1883. And yes, the railroads were big boosters of the plan: prior to that, I think, every town and city in the country had its own Local Time: more-or-less set to keep 12:00 noon at when the sun was highest in the local sky.
And despite its drawbacks (as that graph shows), it was a lot easier keeping times consistent when all you really needed was one very-accurate clock to keep time for the whole country. Like we do today, only with gears and springs, rather than Cesium atoms and electronics….

It’s fascinating to think isn’t it? That our ancestors had a different experience of time than we have.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:02:02pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:02:26pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:02:38pm

re: #195 KGxvi

I keep going back and forth on whether there should be wide ranging articles of impeachment or if it should be narrow.

An argument against a wide scope impeachment trial with many different articles of impeachment is that it gives the GOP the ability to save Trump while also voting to convict. The theory would basically be this:

1. we have 12 articles of impeachment for everything from abuse of power to obstruction of justice to nepotism to whatever
2. Dems vote to convict on all or a significant number of the charges
3. Republicans in the Senate split their vote, so 10 vote for this article but not that, 6 or 7 vote for that article but not these
4. End result is 55-63 Senators voting to convict and remove on 12 articles but none get to the magic number of 67

A narrow impeachment makes it harder for Senate Republicans to play that game. But it also sets Trump up to argue that all the other stuff he did was just fine and dandy

Initiate a time-phased sequence of impeachment inquiries for different HC&Ms at 3-month intervals. Just in case…

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:03:36pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:06:05pm

re: #252 Targetpractice

Because never in the history of the world have Jews joined in the attack of fellow Jews.

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It’s just absurd. Even more by the fact they criticize him for pushing Anti-Semitic conspiracy nonsense. This is just as idiotic as the Ben Shapiro fans who think he can’t be a fascist because he’s Jewish. TBH I don’t think Shapiro fits your classic fascist definition but that’s only because Shapiro’s version of what capitalism is in contrast with how fascists view it but he’s still a right wing extremist authoritarian minded prick.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:07:59pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:08:12pm

re: #250 Dread Pirate

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The JCPOA was hammered together through years of multilateral negotiations because all the nations involved agreed that sanctions alone weren’t working and Iran only agreed to those negotiations after all the nations got on the same page about what to sanction and how harshly. But yeah, a singular nation “leaving” the agreement and reimposing sanctions was totally going to work the second go around…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:08:37pm

re: #254 jaunte

Well given that this is the Breitbart comments page come to life WH I guess I’m not surprised.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:08:52pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:10:05pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:11:12pm

It is truly impressive how this Administration can, in a single day, generate more scandals than a normal administration would over the course of two full terms in office. Stephen Miller, a fake Time cover, presidential perjury, collusion with Russia, crony capitalism, it’s just a neverending shitstorm of corruption.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:11:16pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

Someone needs to ask them that. Put these motherfuckers on the spot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:12:34pm

re: #259 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It is truly impressive how this Administration can, in a single day, generate more scandals than a normal administration would over the course of two full terms in office. Stephen Miller, a fake Time cover, presidential perjury, collusion with Russia, crony capitalism, it’s just a neverending shitstorm of corruption.

We really did elect the worst possible person President that we could have. It’s going to take me a long time to restore the faith in our country I had before 11/16.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:13:48pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

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Just waiting for them to tie in Mr. Soros again…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:13:58pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:15:41pm

The administration* that sneers at “identity politics” sure loves to engage in it when facing any sort of criticism. See also: “You can’t love Jews and hate Israel!”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:15:41pm

If there was a photo of Miller throwing a Seig Heil (and let’s be honest, there’s at least a 50% chance one exists), would their response still be “He’s Jewish”?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:15:54pm

As for McHugh may she wind up on Skid Row for the rest of her miserable life….

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:16:03pm

re: #254 jaunte

Yep. We know exactly who is running this White House. It’s scary that so many of our fellow Americans support this regime. And many in the name of their religious dogma

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:16:25pm

re: #265 Mike Lamb

If there was a photo of Miller throwing a Seig Heil (and let’s be honest, there’s at least a 50% chance one exists), would their response still be “He’s Jewish”?

Their response would be “Praise Jesus”!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:19:08pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

As for McHugh may she wind up on Skid Row for the rest of her miserable life….

Her biggest sin was not being born wealthy and well connected, like Megan McCain, Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Rona Romney McDaniels. This made her disposable.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:20:52pm

re: #269 goddamnedfrank

Her biggest sin was not being born wealthy and well connected, like Megan McCain, Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Rona Romney McDaniels. This made her disposable.

She made her choice. Actions have consequences.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:23:54pm
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Jay C  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:30:09pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

If the White House believes that any criticism of any Jewish person is anti-Semitic, does that mean all the White House criticism of Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff is anti-Semitic as well?

This x 1000

Though I’m sure there will be a response sometime soon from some official imbecile or other that the two issues are COMPLETELY different - since Stephen Miller is a GOOD Jew (motivated only by the sincerest motives to Make America Great by supporting the Greatest President Ever!), and Nadler, Schumer and Schiff are BAD Jews, because Loser Hater Socialist Witch-Hunters or whatever…..

PS: I wish this was just sarcasm.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:41:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:42:21pm

re: #270 Joe Bacon 🌹

She made her choice. Actions have consequences.

Which is why I called her a rotten sack of filth. It just kills me how flagrant the double standard is here, and how much of McHugh’s motivation came from ingratiating herself via racism into a system that was never going to actually value her based on her lower class origins. I find this interesting because it was class envy that partially motivated her radicalization to begin with.

She felt herself on the wrong side of a class divide. Allegheny’s students seemed wealthy; she wasn’t. She couldn’t join a sorority because she couldn’t afford the dues, she said. Her sense of outsiderness gave her a bold pen, and she was already going to extremes. She published reactionary opinion pieces for the campus newspaper, such as one arguing that the “homosexual movement, a liberal sub-faction, proliferates like melanoma.” “I could have tempered my message, things like that,” she told me. But she didn’t.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:42:53pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I thought it was only ‘88. Biden could be a decent President but he’s really not the best captain of the ship if you get to choose. He’s a great guy to have. That’s not a slight. Some of the greatest statesmen and women just didn’t have the presidential caliber. It takes an unique personality to be a successful one.

Wikipedia says 84, 88, 08 and this year. But 84 it looks like he just got a random delegate at the convention. So maybe this makes 3, not 4.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:44:56pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

Which is why I called her a rotten sack of filth. It just kills me how flagrant the double standard is here, and how much of McHugh’s motivation came from ingratiating herself via racism into a system that was never going to actually value her based on her lower class origins. I find this interesting because it was in part class envy that partially motivated her radicalization to begin with.

Right, and the even more disgusting bottom feeders who run Breitbart had no problem at all with exploiting her dumbass racism, until she became a PR liability.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:45:46pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

As for Haley, I think she’s angling for either the VP nomination (which would be hilarious) or to be the person in the best position to rally the Trump base in 2024 for a run.

Of course, being an Indian-American is probably going to be disqualifying for a lot of white nationalists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:45:59pm

do not like

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:52:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:54:11pm

Get ready for lame global warming jokes from Conservatives tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:54:52pm
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:56:17pm

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:57:06pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

I swear, it’s like wingnuts and the “liberal media” alike keep a picture of her in a box labeled “In Case of Dems In Array, Break Glass.”

It’s not like invoking the spectre of Jimmy Carter’s presidency has the same effect it used to have after forty years now that he’s a much beloved humanitarian.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:58:37pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 3:59:10pm
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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:02:16pm

re: #286 Dread Pirate

No lawyer likes discovery, especially under the federal rules. The only way to make it worse is when one party informs the court that another party withheld evidence. US District Court Judges just love that kind of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:04:39pm

in South Vietnam

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:05:13pm

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aatharuv  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:08:10pm

re: #278 KGxvi

She’s far less visibly non-white than Bobby Jindal. Many of my fellow Indian Americans, who are far more used to the variety of phenotypes of people from India, didn’t realize she was Indian American until after she became governor.
I strongly suspect that given her appearance and name, she’ll subliminally register as “very exotic white” to many Trump supporters, especially with judicious use of lighting and photoshop. Other than the hardcore neo-Nazi’s, the Trumpkins will somehow manage to simultaneously: claim her as both white; show her as proof that Republicans are neither racist nor sexist; and claim criticism of her is both racist and sexist.

I suspect it’s going to be a bigger problem winning the nomination of the Trump party as a woman, than as a somewhat white-passing person.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:08:29pm

re: #212 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

nope
didnt need the turducken, sorry Chef Paul
dont need this

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We saw this one on some foodie show last night. Three full pies (apple, pumpkin and pecan) baked into a 30 pound cake. Makes me nauseous just thinking about it.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:08:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:09:19pm

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The most distant world ever explored 4 billion miles away finally has an official name: Arrokoth.

That means “sky” in the language of the Native American Powhatan people, NASA said Tuesday.

NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft flew past the snowman-shaped Arrokoth on New Year’s Day, 3 ½ years after exploring Pluto. At the time, this small icy world 1 billion miles (1.6 billion kilometers) beyond Pluto was nicknamed Ultima Thule given its vast distance from us.

“The name ‘Arrokoth’ reflects the inspiration of looking to the skies,” lead scientist Alan Stern of Southwest Research Institute said in a statement, “and wondering about the stars and worlds beyond our own.”

The name was picked because of the Powhatan’s ties to the Chesapeake Bay region.

New Horizons is operated from Johns Hopkins University’s Applied Physics Lab in Laurel, Maryland. The Hubble Space Telescope — which discovered Arrokoth in 2014 — has its science operations in Baltimore.

The New Horizons team got consent for the name from Powhatan Tribal elders and representatives, according to NASA. The International Astronomical Union and its Minor Planet Center approved the choice.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:09:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:18:07pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

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Aren’t their articles by Candice pre-wingnut grift writing about these very issues? Her act is so pathetically sad. But fuck her, she really thinks the only problem with Nazism was it expanded its borders. This should destroy her credibility but because her idiotic boss Kirk has a wealthy patron, we have to deal with these assholes “influencing” us.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:18:42pm

BTW just bringing up last night’s John Oliver musical extravaganza, in case you listened to it over and over (as I did!) but couldn’t make out all the words,

HERE THEY ALL ARE!

Now watch it again.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:20:18pm

re: #294 Patricia Kayden

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You don’t always hear from the initial witness in a trial especially if someone closer to the crime collaborates the account. Meadows can’t answer why Taylor, Vindman, and even Sondland collaborated the allegation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:21:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:22:01pm
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fern01  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:22:34pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Roberts is an ostrich with his head in the sand.

Roberts also said the US was post racism when he gutted the voting rights act.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:24:40pm

re: #300 fern01

Roberts also said the US was post racism when he gutted the voting rights act.

Yep. He’s willingly blind. He may not say racist shit but he’ll enable it since it helps the political arm of his judicial philosophy.

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plansbandc  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:36:11pm

re: #291 makeitstop

I’d eat it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:37:18pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:37:43pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:43:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:44:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:45:21pm
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:47:00pm

re: #291 makeitstop

We saw this one on some foodie show last night. Three full pies (apple, pumpkin and pecan) baked into a 30 pound cake. Makes me nauseous just thinking about it.

One of the older start trek movies as I remember it:
” Just because we can do a thing it doesn’t necessarily follow that we must do it”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:47:12pm

The NY Post will always be a Murdoch tabloid

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:49:29pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

You don’t always hear from the initial witness in a trial especially if someone closer to the crime collaborates the account. Meadows can’t answer why Taylor, Vindman, and even Sondland collaborated the allegation.

This is all stupid flailing
They got nothing
(Doesn’t mean the vote will be any different)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:51:18pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:53:00pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:53:09pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:53:54pm
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fern01  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:54:17pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Maggie beginning to think she has backed the wrong side? May the democrat elected in 2020 ensure NONE of his/her staff talk to Maggie Haberman

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:54:44pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The NY Post will always be a Murdoch tabloid

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Hey the reverse of that is also true
Not guilty!
I don’t care what evidence comes out at the trial

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:57:54pm
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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:58:37pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:58:37pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:59:37pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

And zero press briefings.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 12, 2019 • 4:59:49pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I fully expect that if the Supreme Court rules for the DACA recipents that Trump will attempt to have ICE round up all of them to hold in his concentration camps for an extended period before starting deportation procedures.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:00:12pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:06:24pm

re: #321 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

And then have them shot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:07:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:08:32pm

Of course a Washington Examiner writer would join in the “OK Boomer” trend in this particular manner

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:10:29pm

re: #325 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of course a Washington Examiner writer would join in the “OK Boomer” trend in this particular manner

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Tiana will change her tune just like her God Ayn Rand did!

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:12:47pm

Amazing what you miss when you’re so insanely busy at work that you can’t check Twitter. What’s also astounding is how non-news organizations like SPLC are breaking hard news.

Of course, you know Trump is going to blow this off—he LOVES him some Stephen Miller.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:19:25pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:19:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:20:57pm

re: #322 Charles Johnson

Seems harsh.]

Careful there. Catherine Harkey, liberal southern dancer, is going to pull our Liberal Cards.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:29:11pm

It’s important to remember that only a unfortunate outbreak of bone spurs separates Trump from Major Sullivan Ballou, mentioned in Ken Burns’ documentary:

pbs.org

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:31:45pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, she appears to be of Chinese ancestry, but she also appears to be very similar in appearance to Japanese actress Satomi Ishihara, who plays a special American diplomat in Shin Godzilla.

Weird coinkydink, ya think?

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:38:40pm
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plansbandc  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:41:10pm

re: #333 The Pie Overlord!

Wow. How vile.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:42:07pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:43:10pm

re: #335 gocart mozart

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JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
IDRIS ELBA.

John Legend is… meh (sorry Chrissy)

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:43:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:48:21pm

Just told wife we have to give to the SPLC again. She said no, the Carter Center is after the last 48 cases of Guinea Worm. Gotta off the worm before Jimmah dies—it’s personal, now.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:49:52pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a Wall Street Journal story here citing a survey that recent graduates in entry level jobs will earn an average of $51, 300 a year.

Am I wrong or does 50K seem a bit high for a starting salary in most fields?

I don’t know. I live in Los Angeles and if I had to getbyon less than 1,000/week gross, I don’t know if I could. There must be plenty of other places in USA where less than 1000 a week, with student loans to pay off, would be pretty tough.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:50:42pm

re: #337 gocart mozart

Rightwing heads are simultaneously exploding.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:55:41pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2019 • 5:58:30pm

re: #341 gocart mozart

Fukn’ Chinese kids. You face down one armored battalion in your shirtsleeves, and you think you can do anything.

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:09:26pm

re: #325 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Newsweek‏
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@Newsweek
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AARP executive claps back at viral “OK, Boomer” joke with a shot at millennials, says we “actually have the money”

The fucking executives have all the money. There are a lot of poor-as-shit boomers.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:09:54pm
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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:11:30pm

re: #341 gocart mozart

OMG, the way the victims of the police were yanked around! I nearly screamed!

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:13:24pm

re: #343 stpaulbear

I quit my subscription to AARP’s magazine after one year because it was geared towards rich fucks. That, and trying to get us to send our money to more rich fucks.

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:15:26pm

re: #327 mmmirele

Amazing what you miss when you’re so insanely busy at work that you can’t check Twitter. What’s also astounding is how non-news organizations like SPLC are breaking hard news.

Of course, you know Trump is going to blow this off—he LOVES him some Stephen Miller.

CREW has been doing some good work too. I need to donate some $ to both of them.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:20:17pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:22:25pm

The saddest song ever, by the incomparable Bonnie Raitt. Bonnie Raitt - I Can’t Make You Love Me

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:23:23pm
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plansbandc  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:30:00pm

re: #349 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One of the hardest lessons for those of us who fall too quickly and too hard.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:30:04pm
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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:32:10pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They misspelled Arrakis.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:32:18pm

re: #349 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The saddest song ever, by the incomparable Bonnie Raitt. [Embedded content]

Stereogum’s oral history of that tune is well worth the read.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:36:19pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:48:18pm

re: #337 gocart mozart

Oh dear dog, let this take Trump’s cholesterol-hardened heart into unchartered territories.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:51:49pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

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They were using “Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World” as late as last weekend in Louisiana for Trump.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:55:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:56:52pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

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Yet he loves to appropriate Keep Rockin in the Free World into his rallies. Fuck Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 6:58:03pm

re: #358 gocart mozart

I’m ten years late, but I finally got around to watching The Wire. I’m in season five now, and it’s one of the greatest shows ever made.

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:01:47pm

re: #360 Ace Rothstein

I’m ten years late, but I finally got around to watching The Wire. I’m in season five now, and it’s one of the greatest shows ever made.

“Fuck.”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:03:54pm

re: #361 jeffreyw

“Fuck.”

Sheeeeeeeeeeit.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:06:36pm

I’m sitting in the hallway at a high school waiting for my son to finish his all region tryout. There were other things going on at the school as well, so there are a lot of kids here at 9pm. If you removed the cell phones, these kids would fit right in my 80s high school, down to the stylish haircuts.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:10:40pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

Neil Young is a truth teller. Trump wants those out of the country.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:12:56pm

When he first told this whopper it was only one person. Now it’s a room. Soon it will be a stadium! Then a whole state!

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:13:05pm

re: #362 Barefoot Grin

“You come at the king, you best not miss.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:15:09pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Go on Donnie, Fire the IG while you’re in the middle of an Impeachment Inquiry.

I dare you.

Unfortunately the GOP doesn’t care — as his lawyers said, Trump can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and the Justice Department would shrug its shoulders and the Senate would ignore his actions. The GOP and the Republican base worship Trump; those legislators who express disapproval in private are cowards who are as culpable as those who openly praise him. Trump acts like a dictator because he faces no opposition to his behavior from Congressional Republicans. They could stop him at any time but they won’t.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:17:12pm

One more.

Maurice ‘Maury’ Levy: ‘You are a parasite who leeches off the culture of drugs.’

Omar Little: ‘Just like you, man. I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase… it’s all in the game, though, right?’

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:19:51pm

This is going to be the Republicans defense of Stephen Miller’s ties with White Nationalism:
“So what?”

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:22:23pm

re: #369 DodgerFan1988

So, the standard racists’ replies.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:23:51pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:25:02pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

It is

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:29:47pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

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Should ask him how much he thinks the Wahhabis have been paying Trump.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:34:02pm

re: #291 makeitstop

We saw this one on some foodie show last night. Three full pies (apple, pumpkin and pecan) baked into a 30 pound cake. Makes me nauseous just thinking about it.

I’d rather have three separate small slices than a stack that I’d have to labor to separate in order to properly enjoy the flavors. And I’d bet the crust/separator between them would be much too soggy as well.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:41:06pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:43:04pm
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:45:11pm

re: #376 Dread Pirate

I can’t wait until they implicate Hannity in something, so Donald will disavow knowing him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:46:46pm

re: #376 Dread Pirate

He’s shitting his pants now. Literally, probably.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:51:15pm
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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:52:00pm
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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:55:41pm

re: #368 Ace Rothstein

One more.

Maurice ‘Maury’ Levy: ‘You are a parasite who leeches off the culture of drugs.’

Omar Little: ‘Just like you, man. I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase… it’s all in the game, though, right?’

Criminal Conspiracy Notes

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:57:28pm

re: #376 Dread Pirate

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He did make a couple true comments: “This is not just about President Trump. They hate everyone he is representing.” Everyone who supports him is as deplorable as he is.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:57:51pm

Holy CRAP
Katie Couric actually used the “L” word
Katie Couric

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:59:11pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 12, 2019 • 7:59:12pm

He’s panicking like “a dog” as he would put it, but “a dog” meaning “a punk ass bitch”

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:02:07pm

As long as we are doing The Wire scenes

The Wire “Fuck”

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:02:41pm

Brian Williams just now: “…Impeachment goes right to the top of your obituary and stays there…”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:04:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:09:42pm

re: #386 gocart mozart

I think one of the greatest scenes was in season one when the cops are outside one of the projects at two in the morning, and the tenants start throwing shit at them from the balconies. It’s almost pitch black and you can feel the cops’ fear as they’re being bombed by everything.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:15:21pm
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uriel  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:19:45pm

re: #364 jaunte

Neil Young is a truth teller. Trump wants those out of the country.

I can’t help but wonder if at least a part of this has something to do with blow-back from Trump using “Rocking in the Free World” in one of his recent happy-funtime, fascist frendly, super pep rallies.

The level of deliberate lack of awareness required to think that was a good choice is mind boggling.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:21:50pm

re: #391 uriel

We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler machine gun hand
We’ve got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive

Trump probably loved the lyrics.

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GreggLDavis  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:22:19pm

re: #6 Mattand

That’s simply not true… there are many former racists. Some people CAN change.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:27:04pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:31:47pm

re: #393 GreggLDavis

Greetings, hatchling.

Sorry, you must be hazed.

Giphy

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sagehen  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:33:59pm

re: #394 gocart mozart

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nah… the greatest correction ever was from the WSJ

“An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated Benjamin Netanyahu said Moses brought water from Iraq. He said the water was brought from a rock.”

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uriel  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:36:25pm

re: #392 jaunte

Trump probably loved the lyrics.

You make a solid point.

And I’m not convinced Stephan Miller/ Wormtonge didn’t convince him that this was a good look:

There’s one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:39:15pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:43:34pm

re: #393 GreggLDavis

So did you bring beer or what?

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:45:55pm

re: #399 Ace Rothstein

So did you bring beer or what?

Or a fatty, maybe?

Welcome.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:47:28pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2019 • 8:56:57pm

Some weird from long ago.

going to the store

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2019 • 9:00:43pm

re: #349 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The saddest song ever, by the incomparable Bonnie Raitt. [Embedded content]

Video

That was the theme song of a long, intense and ultimately doomed relationship I had with a guy I’m still friends with through most of the 1980s and into the early 1990s. I’ve never really gotten over it.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 12, 2019 • 9:28:07pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:39:15am

re: #402 teleskiguy

Some weird from long ago.

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Video


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