Impeachment Hearings Live: Public Hearings Testimony From Bill Taylor and George Kent

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The impeachment inquiry of President Trump enters a new phase this week with open hearings before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday. Democrats are investigating whether the president betrayed his oath of office and placed his personal interests above national security through his communications with the Ukrainian president.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:03:20am

Wakey wakey eggs and bakey… it’s impeachment hearing Wednesday…. Day 1.

And already CL’d the last thread…so reupping:

Greets and saluts from the frigid NYC metro area. We saw our temps drop by about 30-40 degrees over 24 hours, so yeah, Winter isn’t coming. It’s here. Not quite Winterfell, but northern NY saw a foot or more of snow, which is above the wall (aka outside the NYC metro area), so there’s that.

But that’s not what has my attention today. It’s that impeachment hearings start today, and will stretch on for the foreseeable future.

And the tangerine toddler is already running scared on Twitter.

Rudy’s trying to run interference, and it’s not going any better.

Hannity? Yeah, he’s also flailing about with misinformation and deflections.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:09:11am

“Whether the president betrayed his office.” Huh. I wonder if it will turn out that he did. I mean, there is so little that he has confessed to and bragged about in front of cameras that it really is a mystery.
Wait, sorry, I just looked up the word “mystery.” Turns out if does not mean “screaming, flaming, raving, jumping up and down, arm-waving obviously obvious undeniable fact.”
My bad.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:12:04am
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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:17:07am

re: #3 Belafon

I’ve been suggesting that any witness who Jordan attempts to question should proffer the following response:

When you’re in a position to report wrongdoing, I did so. Trump committed felonious acts. What about you? You did nothing, enabling a sex predator, which is no different than what you’re doing now protecting Trump at all costs.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:25:43am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:26:07am

Cheeto Pendejo is sweating bullets.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:28:20am

Impeachment vs coup. How the fuck does that work?

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:37:13am

He’s shitting his pants.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:37:15am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

Impeachment vs coup. How the fuck does that work?

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Trump’s never read our Constitution. It shows daily.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:38:09am

re: #8 teleskiguy

He’s shitting his pants.

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Hopefully, the White House staff had the foresight to buy Depends by the pallet.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:38:34am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:39:47am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Cheeto Pendejo is sweating bullets.

Fox and Friends sounds concerned.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:40:01am

re: #8 teleskiguy

He’s shitting his pants.

ALL CAPS TWEETING

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:41:40am
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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:43:14am

re: #13 Sir John Barron

He’s going to be tweeting like never before, and this isn’t more than a few minutes into Day 1 of the impeachment hearings.

You know - public hearings, which the GOP demanded, right up until the moment Schiff announced the schedule and dropped all the transcripts showing just how corrupt Trumpworld is re: Ukraine.

Sauce for the goose: Stone’s trial again shows how Trump coordinated with Wikileaks to drop dirt on DNC via Stone. That’s yet another impeachable offense to keep in mind.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:46:14am

re: #8 teleskiguy

He’s shitting his pants.

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Dude, don’t use it all up in the first mile
Pace yourself or you’ll burn out ;-)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:48:08am

re: #15 lawhawk

He’s going to be tweeting like never before, and this isn’t more than a few minutes into Day 1 of the impeachment hearings.

You know - public hearings, which the GOP demanded, right up until the moment Schiff announced the schedule and dropped all the transcripts showing just how corrupt Trumpworld is re: Ukraine.

Sauce for the goose: Stone’s trial again shows how Trump coordinated with Wikileaks to drop dirt on DNC via Stone. That’s yet another impeachable offense to keep in mind.

Extortion
Bribery
Perjury
Obstruction
Abuse of office

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:48:32am

It is interesting to see some media people talking to politicians rather than being locked up in a cage. It’s way past time that such people stop going/reporting on trump rallies.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:49:03am

IMPENDING HEALTH CRISIS!

Seriously. He’s gonna short out altogether. One can hope, anyway.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:49:36am

re: #17 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Way ahead of you on that…

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:50:25am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

Impeachment vs coup. How the fuck does that work?

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If I were on Twitter, I’d reply to Stonekettle directly, but since not, I’ll proffer a simple explanation here:

Donald Trump HAS to present the impeachment process as a “coup”, since, being a narcissistic sociopath at bottom, anything and everything ALWAYS HAS TO BE ABOUT HIM. However closely the impeachment process follows Constitutional directives, or legal/procedural norms, the fundamental result (possible removal from office) is an unacceptable affront to his ego. And hence has to be cast in the most illegitimizing terms possible.

I think Trump really does view himself as more of an unaccountable, divine-right monarch (or its business equivalent: the all-powerful Owner-Boss) than as just another Government official. Bad enough that he thinks that way: the worse part is that something like 30% of the electorate does as well.*

*Though, of course, said support strictly limited to Donald Trump: an autocratic President not catering virtually exclusively to the political Hate Club that is today’s GOP wouldn’t be tolerated…

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:51:06am

re: #11 Stanley Sea

The country’s a big place, Donald. And there are lots of people.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:51:09am

re: #20 lawhawk

Way ahead of you on that…

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Well if you’re gonna throw code sections around…

(So no collusion…)

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:51:46am

re: #20 lawhawk

He’ll be listening to & quoting FoxNews all day. As well the country doesn’t need him to be doing any presidenting.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:52:18am
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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:52:47am

GOP strategy: call impeachment a coup.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:53:17am

re: #25 makeitstop

So will Trump. //

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:53:30am

re: #21 Jay C

If I were on Twitter, I’d reply to Stonekettle directly, but since not, I’ll proffer a simple explanation here:

Donald Trump HAS to present the impeachment process as a “coup”, since, being a narcissistic sociopath at bottom, anything and everything ALWAYS HAS TO BE ABOUT HIM. However closely the impeachment process follows Constitutional directives, or legal/procedural norms, the fundamental result (possible removal from office) is an unacceptable affront to his ego. And hence has to be cast in the most illegitimizing terms possible.

I think Trump really does view himself as more of an unaccountable, divine-right monarch (or its business equivalent: the all-powerful Owner-Boss) than as just another Government official. Bad enough that he thinks that way: the worse part is that something like 30% of the electorate does as well.*

*Though, of course, said support strictly limited to Donald Trump: an autocratic President not catering virtually exclusively to the political Hate Club that is today’s GOP wouldn’t be tolerated…

* As does the Senate, without which we wouldn’t be in this mess if they upheld their oath, country before party etc

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:53:40am

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 6:54:14am

re: #26 lawhawk

GOP strategy: call impeachment a coup.

Someone should send Schiff and Pelosi Stonekettle’s statement about if it’s a coup, then Pence must be driving things behind the scenes.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:01:45am

Republicans reminding us why it was smart to keep the hearings behind closed doors initially, as the first open hearing is littered with frothing madness in print form.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:03:39am

Gee, I wonder why none of these reporters said anything back then?

Wait, no I don’t. They were too busy with those other emails.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:04:44am

Why do I get the feeling that a lot of other big stories are going to drop today, under cover of these hearings?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:04:48am

re: #32 makeitstop

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Gee, I wonder why none of these reporters said anything back then?

Wait, no I don’t. They were too busy with those other emails.

Just another example of IOKIYAR!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:05:19am

re: #32 makeitstop

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Gee, I wonder why none of these reporters said anything back then?

Wait, no I don’t. They were too busy with those other emails.

Yep and it’s why irony of ironies is for the Trump administration to complain about the media being unfair to them. This was an explicitly racist campaign but the media cared more about emails.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:05:26am

George Conway is going to be on MSNBC. A lot of folks are upset about this because they don’t think he’s operating in good faith. But I think he is. Once Trump is gone I doubt I’d have much in common with GC, but right now we’re on the same page.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:07:14am

And off the bat, the wingnut BS begins.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:07:18am

re: #32 makeitstop

Gee, I wonder why none of these reporters said anything back then?

Wait, no I don’t. They were too busy with those other emails.

Far too many people ASSUMED that Clinton was going to win it all, and didn’t really feel the need to due the required work investigating Trump and those around him.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:07:35am

I’ve always said something along these lines. If tRump hadn’t had rich parents he would be trading handjobs for cigarettes under a bridge somewhere in NYC because he is a fucking moron.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:07:59am

re: #26 lawhawk

GOP strategy: call impeachment a coup.

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What else do they have left?

Even at this early stage of the proceedings, there’s not much (outside of Trump’s hysterical sputtering denials) they can do re the facts of the charges, so attacking the process - and motivations of the Opposition - is all they can do.

I mean, there more that that they can - or could - do: but they seem to be more dedicated to simply making a loud, nasty, sound-bite circus out of the whole affair. And then (probably) rely on Fox and the rest of the RWNM to highlight the “circus” part, hoping that the rest of the country won’t notice….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:08:36am

re: #39 Eventual Carrion

I’ve always said something along these lines. If tRump hadn’t had rich parents he would be trading handjobs for cigarettes under a bridge somewhere in NYC because he is a fucking moron.

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He really isn’t smart at all.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:08:44am

re: #36 Barefoot Grin

Conway is upset with Trump because he’s ineffectual and incompetent to advance the Federalist agenda as thoroughly as Conway wants. He’s fine with Trump policies, not his implementation because Trump is incompetent and incapable of doing the work of being President.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:11:24am

As the GOP continues circling around and around trying to attack the process since they know they cannot defend the man and his (and his cronies) actions they simply tie themselves tighter and tighter to Trump’s fate for anyone paying attention who has a shred of intelligence.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:13:46am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Yep and it’s why irony of ironies is for the Trump administration to complain about the media being unfair to them. This was an explicitly racist campaign but the media cared more about emails.

lets face it miller’s conduct would be unacceptable in any other administration and he would be canned - though likely never made it into the admin, ie vetting and all - with his easily uncoverable history

but alas, it’s not illegal - just in any other time, bad politics

trump and his base support this thinking. so it’s not that miller or trump is somehow ‘untouchable’. it’s that the base wants him there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:14:03am

I’m of two minds on the Never Trump right. One is we need all the allies we can get and we needed Stalin to bring down Hitler. Another is I definitely don’t trust them ideologically. It was pointed out that Rick Wilson was an adviser in the ads that called Max Cleland unpatriotic. So I’ve concluded this to the anti Trump right. Bring down Trump with us but don’t think for a second that your ideological and propaganda didn’t help make him possible to your base.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:15:21am

re: #42 lawhawk

Conway is upset with Trump because he’s ineffectual and incompetent to advance the Federalist agenda as thoroughly as Conway wants. He’s fine with Trump policies, not his implementation because Trump is incompetent and incapable of doing the work of being President.

In the back of my mind I know this (of lots of other prominent never-trumpers, too), but I just hope the next elections drive them back into the shadows. Not likely, i know….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:17:41am

Fox News doing what Fox News does:

As House Democrats ramp up their impeachment push with public hearings starting on Wednesday, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy argued that it’s merely their effort to avoid facing President Trump in the 2020 election.

“We’ve never had an impeachment in the first term. They are so afraid of facing the president in the election, they’re trying to frame him,” McCarthy, R-Calif., told “Fox & Friends.”

“They’ve [House Democrats] already accused him of being guilty and they keep changing the term because they’re trying to find a crime.”

With the bang of a gavel, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., will open the impeachment hearings Wednesday into Trump’s alleged pressure on Ukraine to investigate the 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden’s dealings in the country.

The former vice president has boasted about pressuring Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, as his son Hunter Biden held a lucrative role board of a Ukrainian natural gas company despite having little relevant expertise.

Schiff, in a memo and open letter to colleagues on the eve of Wednesday’s proceedings, outlined some of the rules — including that members not assigned to the Intelligence Committee were not permitted to make statements or question witnesses, but were allowed to sit in the audience.

McCarthy said there has never been “something so partisan” and that the impeachment inquiry is a “pure” setup by Schiff.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:17:55am

Schiff’s opening statement is concise and on point.

What will Nunes have to try and refute it besides incoherent hysteria?

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:17:59am

re: #43 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

As the GOP continues circling around and around trying to attack the process since they know they cannot defend the man and his (and his cronies) actions they simply tie themselves tighter and tighter to Trump’s fate for anyone paying attention who has a shred of intelligence.

True: but then again, their main audience is Fox Nation….

(Not that said Nation doesn’t have intelligence: they just seem to diligently lock it away in a lead box when it comes to anything political)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:18:38am

re: #43 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

As the GOP continues circling around and around trying to attack the process since they know they cannot defend the man and his (and his cronies) actions they simply tie themselves tighter and tighter to Trump’s fate for anyone paying attention who has a shred of intelligence*.

100% - *60% = 40% *sigh*

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:19:32am

I can only hope the next election cycle causes the GOP to opt to sideline the current generation of Know Nothing-ism and push their racists back into exile. Though I expect an electoral loss by the GOP to be totally blamed on Trump as he is declared to have failed conservatism (and been a liberal in wolves’ clothing.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:19:59am

Trump for most of today, probably:

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:20:46am

re: #48 makeitstop

Schiff’s opening statement is concise and on point.

What will Nunes have to try and refute it besides incoherent hysteria?

Maybe he’ll talk about cows.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:20:49am

NYC is about to vote on a flood control plan for the Lower East Side in Manhattan. That would remake the LES parks along the East River, which saw flooding into Lower Manhattan during Sandy. It’s expected to cost $1.45 billion.

I bring it up only because Venice just suffered the worst tidal flooding in more than 50 years (second highest on record), and fourth major flood in the past 20 years. Venice and Italy have been trying to build a flood control project since the 1980s, and are no closer to finishing it due to scandal, corruption, and tech problems.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:21:09am

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News doing what Fox News does:

shorter: Fox New beclowns itself

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:21:45am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:21:51am

re: #53 Belafon

Maybe he’ll talk about cows.

No luck of that, it’s the standard “This is just a replay of Mueller!” BS.

Oh, and nude pictures. DRINK!

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:22:02am

So Nunes is bringing up the idea that trump is a Russian agent. They have no idea as to what they say.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:22:31am

Nunes, having a cow….

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Ming5000  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:22:55am

LOL, Nunes is still using the alleged search for nude pictures of Trump

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:23:29am

re: #32 makeitstop

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Gee, I wonder why none of these reporters said anything back then?

Wait, no I don’t. They were too busy with those other emails.

Trump voters wouldn’t have cared. They supported a man who called Mexicans criminals and rapists, who mocked a disabled reporter, who disparaged a war hero — why would reporters spend time on a racist staffer that no one knew when the head of the ticket openly made these comments without experiencing repercussions.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:23:39am

PSA: In case anyone was wondering, Balloon Juice is down for the moment: John Cole and his merry gnomes are rolling out the new site and anticipate it being up by “late afternoon”.

And I’m sure we can also anticipate an inspired outpouring of profanity from Mr. Cole should things not go smoothly…..

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:03am

After Schiff, things felt almost sane, but Nunes is taking it right back to Crazytown.

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Ming5000  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:03am

Nunes’s opening statement would go better with spooky music and lightning.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:05am

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump’s alleged pressure on Ukraine to investigate the 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden’s

Alleged?

Pretty sure everyone and their mom in the GOP has copped to this and that it was all really just fine to pressure them. But I guess they feel a need to muddle the issue as much as possible.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:11am

Nunes is an idiot.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:12am

Shorter Nunes: Waaaaaaah

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:24:31am

Nunes basically just airing the GOP’s grievances.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:25:10am

re: #68 Targetpractice

Nunes basically just airing the GOP’s grievances.

Happy Festivus!

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:25:20am

Nunes is so solemn when he says “national television.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:25:34am

re: #69 makeitstop

Serenity now. Insanity later.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:25:47am
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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:25:51am

Schiff - facts and the law
Nunes - conspiracy theories

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:26:01am

re: #69 makeitstop

Happy Festivus!

I’m looking forward to the Feats of Strength.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:26:21am

re: #73 fern01

Schiff - facts and the law
Nunes - conspiracy theories

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:26:54am

“Questions” Nunes wants answers to are (unsurprisingly) the very questions Trump pressed Ukraine to “investigate.”

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:27:00am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:27:03am

re: #75 Sir John Barron

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

Of course.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:27:18am

re: #75 Sir John Barron

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

But of course - and Hillary - and Obama

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:27:56am

Nunes setting the tone for the GOP part in today’s hearings, which will consist of attacking the witnesses.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:28:12am

re: #75 Sir John Barron

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

Nunes mentioned it

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:28:12am

Why in holy hell aren’t there some protesters in there mooing at Nunes? Well worth getting tossed out for, just to fluster Cow Boy.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:28:54am

We have moved on to the Trump butt-smooch segment of Nunes’ statement.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:29:23am

Shorter Nunes: “DEAR LEADER HAS BEEN BETRAYED!!!”

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:29:29am

Nunes is starting to sweat.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:29:39am

re: #75 Sir John Barron

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

Have any naked pictures of Trump? Want to buy some? /

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:29:57am

And he’s talking about 4th hand rumours and innuendos

Always a reflection of what the GOP does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:30:32am

This opening statement brought to you by Breitbart and Alex Jones.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:30:57am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:30:59am

I’d say that if Devin was smart, he’d leave the bulk of his time to the Repub lawyer, but he’s not so expect him to waste precious time wigging the fuck out at Taylor and Kent.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:31:21am

re: #76 Targetpractice

“Questions” Nunes wants answers to are (unsurprisingly) the very questions Trump pressed Ukraine to “investigate.”

So in other words they want an “investigation” to “look for a crime”, which is what they accuse Dems of doing in the impeachment.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:31:50am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

This opening statement brought to you by Breitbart and Alex Jones.

Would love the media talking heads for once taking this sort of thing seriously and calling out that it’s all lies, distortions, time wasting, and not addressing the actual charges.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:31:54am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:32:16am

Damn my CBSN feed just stopped

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:32:44am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

….any laws or did anything wrong, and they have to move away from quid pro quo because there was no quid, and there was no quo. Ukraine got it’s money (3 weeks early), and there was no investigation.

…so, he does not rule out the possibility of a pro in there somewhere…this is telling!

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:33:48am

re: #75 Sir John Barron

Has the Steele Dossier come up yet?

Republicans: It’s OK for someone to seek the help of foreign officials and governments.
Democrats: So, you have no problem with the Steele Dossier?
Republicans: We never said that.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:34:45am

This is some bullshit. I guess it’s all they’ve got, though.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:34:54am

Republicans dragging shit out by trying to make the hearing about the WB.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:35:17am

Elise Stefanik started out seeming to be a fairly reasonable moderate Republican of the sort that used to be common here in upstate New York. (I have even voted for some, like Amo Houghton, in days gone by.)

Now she’s clearly latched on to (or been latched onto by) the hardcore right.

Here’s hoping she gets a decent D challenger next year in what has traditionally been a swingy district.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:35:29am

re: #96 Belafon

Republicans: It’s OK for someone to seek the help of foreign officials and governments.
Democrats: So, you have no problem with the Steele Dossier?
Republicans: We never said that.

This is what I’m hoping for. Some serious shutting down of stupid GOP talking points that results in more than a few Republicans getting completely pretzeled.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:36:10am

Schiff might wish to bring up that the Repub members of the committee were offered the opportunity to submit written questions to the WB, and they refused because they wanted the WB drug out into the public.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:36:35am

“The microphones are sensitive, so please speak directly into them.”

Schiff is a smart guy on a lot of things, but apparently not on “microphones, how do they work?”

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:36:40am

Schiff has the patience of a saint. I’d be telling all these ankle biters to kindly shut the fuck up.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:36:59am

So their plan is to interrupt and obfuscate and demand to see the whistle blower. Schiff has the patience of Job

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:37:44am

re: #103 makeitstop

Schiff has the patience of a saint. I’d be telling all these ankle biters to kindly shut the fuck up.

Better to let them cry themselves out in public. They’re not making a favorable impression, but are instead just playing to the cheap seats.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:37:54am

re: #103 makeitstop

Schiff has the patience of a saint. I’d be telling all these ankle biters to kindly shut the fuck up.

Snap

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:39:36am

re: #102 i(m)p(each)sos

“The microphones are sensitive, so please speak directly into them.”

Schiff is a smart guy on a lot of things, but apparently not on “microphones, how do they work?”

with magnets

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:39:36am

Kent’s bowtie really stands out. I like it, and the matching pocket kerchief.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:40:16am

Republicans think nothing of what their b.s. defense of this imbecile are doing to Ukraine. They know not what they do, nor care how much damage they cause.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:40:22am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:41:04am

re: #103 makeitstop

Schiff has the patience of a saint. I’d be telling all these ankle biters to kindly shut the fuck up.

he’s letting them pay out all the line they can

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:41:09am

re: #108 Eventual Carrion

Kent’s bowtie really stands out. I like it, and the matching pocket kerchief.

I like that he is giving the republicans a history lesson.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:41:34am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

with magnets

Yeah, but their microphones are so old they don’t use electricity. They are completely sound powered.

(I don’t know if they still install those on the new Ford Class carriers, but they were on the John C. Stennis.)

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:41:48am

re: #110 makeitstop

almost like there’s two different audiences

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:43:29am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:43:51am

re: #114 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

almost like there’s two different audiences

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There are two different audiences—Patriots and Asshole RepubliKKKlans!

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:45:08am
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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:45:17am

re: #114 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

almost like there’s two different audiences

almost”???

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:45:37am

Nunes seriously stumbled by suggesting that Kent and Taylor are only here because they “passed the audition.” Kent is totally eviscerating such an implication by making clear he’s here because he believes what happened was totally against America’s interests.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:46:29am

re: #119 Targetpractice

Nunes seriously stumbled by suggesting that Kent and Taylor are only here because they “passed the audition.” Kent is totally eviscerating such an implication by making clear he’s here because he believes what happened was totally against America’s interests.

Nunes should get his ass handed to him in questioning. Can’t wait.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:49:47am

This Kent guy is good.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:50:21am

Nunes is an agriculture guy. Schiff has prosecuted spies before. There’s a reason why one knows what he’s doing and the other is using FNC talking points.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:50:25am

re: #118 Jay C

almost”???

left off the sarc tags… again

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:51:25am

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:54:29am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:55:40am

re: #125 teleskiguy

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Never met him. He just brought me coffee.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:56:42am

So why the GOP are having sit-ins and trump is live tweeting Fox News Ambassador Taylor is working non stop in Ukraine.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:58:45am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:58:48am

Republicans are going with the “Bang the table” defense.

The problem is that sometimes banging the table is what gets the most attention in the media.

Democrats need to have a solid response for that. They need their own winning soundbites to counter the relentless GOP attacks.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 7:59:28am

re: #127 fern01

So why the GOP are having sit-ins and trump is live tweeting Fox News Ambassador Taylor is working non stop in Ukraine.

taylor knows his job, the players, the board, the strategy
trump barely knows how to tweet

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:01:04am

Not to alarm anyone, but RBG missed arguments this morning at SCOTUS and the court says she was home ill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:02:33am

re: #131 i(m)p(each)sos

Not to alarm anyone, but RBG missed arguments this morning at SCOTUS and the court says she was home ill.

Get well soon, RBG.

God I hope Trump doesn’t get that SC seat.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:02:35am

I confess that I muted Nunes — it’s impossible to listen to him without wanting to throw something at the TV screen. It is clear that with one voice the GOP is desperate to tarnish everyone who fails to worship their orange messiah. They are disloyal to the Constitution and our nation. I loved how Schiff denied knowing the identity of the whistleblower after the Republicans charged that he was the only member of the committee with this knowledge; their dishonesty in wanting to question the wb in closed session is obvious — that information would leak within seconds of the wb’s appearance.

We should all be proud of Kent and Taylor as the epitome of loyal public servants whose goal is to protect this nation. These are men of character who are demonstrating the quality of long-term government officials.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:02:38am

re: #131 i(m)p(each)sos

Not to alarm anyone, but RBG missed arguments this morning at SCOTUS and the court says she was home ill.

That is alarming.

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wrenchwench  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:02:54am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans are going with the “Bang the table” defense.

The problem is that sometimes banging the table is what gets the most attention in the media.

Democrats need to have a solid response for that. They need their own winning soundbites to counter the relentless GOP attacks.

The republicans will supply the soundbites for the Democrats to use. They always do. Trump will tweet some soundless bites.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:03:55am

re: #134 fern01

That is alarming.

Potentially. But it could have also been a bad cold or some such.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:05:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:06:51am

re: #137 teleskiguy

I picture Donald Trump going apeshit, trashing the Oval Office and literally foaming at the mouth like he’s got rabies.

I can imagine him talking to his own portrait…

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:07:03am

I don’t remember Amb Taylor previously mentioning Rick Perry as part of the irregular channel of foreign policy re Ukraine. I hope there are many questions on this little group.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:08:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:09:13am

ChEEken KEEv

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:09:36am

re: #140 lawhawk

And, for that matter, to say “Ukraine” instead of “THE Ukraine,” as Lindsay Graham persists in doing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:10:19am

re: #140 lawhawk

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Didn’t know that. Knew about “The Ukraine” and “ Ukraine” differences. The spelling matters too.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:11:00am

Taylor’s statement is pretty damning. He’s named just about every name in Trump’s inner circle, including Trump himself.

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:11:11am

I am going berserk. I have no tv, which is ordinarily not a problem at all. I chose that! My internet is out because of replacing the roof, so I can’t follow along here. (Every hour I can turn my personal hotspot on and sort of catch up; am almost through my monthly minutes already.) My NPR station is being over-ridden by a right wing religious station (not unusual, unfortunately). Since I am just post-surgery, I can’t drive out to where I have radio reception, and listen. The combination is I am shut out of the impeachment hearings and going absolutely out of my mind! GAH!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:11:51am

re: #142 i(m)p(each)sos

And, for that matter, to say “Ukraine” instead of “THE Ukraine,” as Lindsay Graham persists in doing.

And Graham has no excuse for doing so. Ukraine has been a sovereign nation Lindsay’s entire political career.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:12:28am

re: #144 makeitstop

Taylor’s statement is pretty damning. He’s named just about every name in Trump’s inner circle, including Trump himself.

That’s the point. Everyone was involved. Everyone knew, and not a single one of those fuckers realized what was being asked was criminal conduct, or they didn’t care, or thought they weren’t going to get caught…

Party above nation.
Destroy functioning government and institutions so that the privileged few can enrich themselves on backs of everyone else.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:13:11am
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wrenchwench  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:14:03am

re: #145 retired cynic

I am going berserk. I have no tv, which is ordinarily not a problem at all. I chose that! My internet is out because of replacing the roof, so I can’t follow along here. (Every hour I can turn my personal hotspot on and sort of catch up; am almost through my monthly minutes already.) My NPR station is being over-ridden by a right wing religious station (not unusual, unfortunately). Since I am just post-surgery, I can’t drive out to where I have radio reception, and listen. The combination is I am shut out of the impeachment hearings and going absolutely out of my mind! GAH!!!!!

Read a book about Watergate. You’ll feel better. Leon Jaworski is great. Is there a delivering bookmobile?

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:14:06am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Nunes is an agriculture guy. Schiff has prosecuted spies before. There’s a reason why one knows what he’s doing and the other is using FNC talking points.

“Agriculture guy” or not: it should be remembered that Devin Nunes is the former Chairman of the HPSCI, and that his tenure in that position was noted for his vigorous attempts to discredit or bury culpatory information about Russian interference in the 2016 election (and try to shade the FBI over their “biases” during the same). Hack then, hack now.
Mooooo….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:14:10am

re: #148 Targetpractice

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What the fuck is it?

It’s TASS!

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:14:57am

re: #149 wrenchwench

Read a book about Watergate. You’ll feel better. Leon Jaworski is great. Is there a delivering bookmobile?

I lived through Watergate, pounding on the table the whole way!

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:15:08am

All signs point to Trump. This was always the case, there’s no way Trump or the GOP can foist this off as a rogue op by Rudy, Pompeo, Perry, or anyone else. Trump was involved from the get-go, and was the chief beneficiary should he successfully extort the Ukrainian leader into investigating the Bidens.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:15:11am

re: #150 Jay C

“Agriculture guy” or not: it should be remembered that Devin Nunes is the former Chairman of the HPSCI, and that his tenure in that position was noted for his vigorous attempts to discredit or bury culpatory information about Russian interference in the 2016 election (and try to shade the FBI over their “biases” during the same). Hack then, hack now.
Mooooo….

That’s my point. He’s a hack not a professional.

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wrenchwench  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:16:51am

re: #152 retired cynic

I lived through Watergate, pounding on the table the whole way!

I watched the hearings on the floor in gramma’s living room. I missed a few nuances.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:17:09am

This Taylor testimony is fire

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:17:10am

re: #153 lawhawk

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All signs point to Trump. This was always the case, there’s no way Trump or the GOP can foist this off as a rogue op by Rudy, Pompeo, Perry, or anyone else. Trump was involved from the get-go, and was the chief beneficiary should he successfully extort the Ukrainian leader into investigating the Bidens.

We go live to Senate Republicans:

Bender shits bricks

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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:18:22am

re: #147 lawhawk

That’s the point. Everyone was involved. Everyone knew, and not a single one of those fuckers realized what was being asked was criminal conduct, or they didn’t care, or thought they weren’t going to get caught…

Party above nation.
Destroy functioning government and institutions so that the privileged few can enrich themselves on backs of everyone else.

1. There was no pressure on Ukraine.

2. OK there was pressure but it was OK because Biden’s a crook and also because POTUS can do anything.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:19:06am

re: #157 Targetpractice

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:19:37am

re: #159 lawhawk

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Rand and Lindsay never looked better.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:19:58am

re: #156 Stanley Sea

This Taylor testimony is fire

Both of these guys are going to shred once questioning starts.

Here’s hoping Nunes and Jordan come off as aggressively antagonistic (safe bet), and these guys take turns slapping the shit out of them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:20:19am

“Yes, I know they are in my cabinet and work for me but I have never met any of these people. I don’t know them.”

Trump later today, probably.

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:21:04am
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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:21:33am

re: #153 lawhawk

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All signs point to Trump. This was always the case, there’s no way Trump or the GOP can foist this off as a rogue op by Rudy, Pompeo, Perry, or anyone else. Trump was involved from the get-go, and was the chief beneficiary should he successfully extort the Ukrainian leader into investigating the Bidens.

They also point to the people who work for trump in regard to their incompetence. Calling trump, from a restaurant, in the presence of other staff to discuss the investigations highlights how these people think they are above and beyond any form of oversight.

Sondland is looking as ridiculous as Giuliani at this point in time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:21:45am

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

“Yes, I know they are in my cabinet and work for me but I have never met any of these people. I don’t know them.”

Trump later today, probably.

He’ll call them Never Trumpers even though his administration appointed them to their current positions.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:22:07am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

And Graham has no excuse for doing so. Ukraine has been a sovereign nation Lindsay’s entire political career.

Which factor is the fundamental problem: there is a Major (former Super-) Power who has never fully accepted that sovereignty, and has been doing whatever it can to try to return Ukraine to its “proper” relationship to Russia, i.e. satellite state if not outright “province”. And has (IMO) been constrained from entirely taking it over by military force only by the (tenuous) risk of negative reactions from the rest of the world. Which risks Putin has tried diligently to minimize via his puppet lackey stooge good pal in the White House….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:22:49am

re: #166 Jay C

Which factor is the fundamental problem: there is a Major (former Super-) Power who has never fully accepted that sovereignty, and has been doing whatever it can to try to return Ukraine to its “proper” relationship to Russia, i.e. satellite state if not outright “province”. And has (IMO) been constrained from entirely taking it over by military force only by the (tenuous) risk of negative reactions from the rest of the world. Which risks Putin has tried diligently to minimize via his puppet lackey stooge good pal in the White House….

Correct.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:22:59am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:23:27am
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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:23:29am

Sure, Jan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:24:39am

re: #170 teleskiguy

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Sure, Jan.

Live tweeting FNC treating him like a victim is his idea of working.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:26:14am

trump trump trump trump
trump trump trump trump
trump trump trump trump

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:26:54am

re: #147 lawhawk

That’s the point. Everyone was involved. Everyone knew, and not a single one of those fuckers realized what was being asked was criminal conduct, or they didn’t care, or thought they weren’t going to get caught…

Party above nation.
Destroy functioning government and institutions so that the privileged few can enrich themselves on backs of everyone else.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:27:28am

I guarantee that every Republican in this administration are sorely regretting their demands for public hearings.

This shit is straight devastating.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:28:40am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:17am

Trump isn’t controlling the narrative. That’s why he is losing and will lose in the end. Most Americans don’t accept the FNC narrative.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:23am

re: #174 makeitstop

I guarantee that every Republican in this administration are sorely regretting their demands for public hearings.

This shit is straight devastating.

The question now is whether the media does anything with it, or just allows the bulkshit to bury it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:29:44am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:30:09am

This opening statement from Taylor is something.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:30:18am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:30:37am

re: #174 makeitstop

I guarantee that every Republican in this administration are sorely regretting their demands for public hearings.

This shit is straight devastating.

…let’s hope

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:31:14am

re: #180 makeitstop

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Did he do it while named Hillary Clinton though?//

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:31:44am

Trump cared more about investigations of Biden than the security of Ukraine.

Boom.

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Interesting Times  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:32:34am

Now that I’m listening, I rate the quoted tweet true:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:34:02am

re: #183 makeitstop

Trump cared more about investigations of Biden than the security of Ukraine.

Boom.

Of course. Ukraine’s sovereignty has no relation to his re-election. Kneecapping Biden does.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:34:26am

re: #183 makeitstop

Trump cared more about investigations of Biden staying in power than the security of Ukraine.

Boom.

He wouldn’t be able to find Ukraine on the map - he has no interest in the people other than using them to continue his relationship with Putin.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:34:27am

re: #184 Interesting Times

Now that I’m listening, I rate the quoted tweet true:

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I can’t imagine that Taylor will have time for any of the GOP’s bullshit.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:34:32am

Wow, Taylor’s wrap up is powerful. Comparing the aspirations of Ukraine to those of the US.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:35:12am

Well fuck, it’s over an hour 1 1/2 into all this and we’re only now getting into the questions. And yet, the shit we’ve heard in that time has largely been so devastating to the WH that I cannot believe they expected any of this to be good for them.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:36:10am

Schiff the prosecutor going to work.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:36:24am

re: #170 teleskiguy

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Sure, Jan.

Oh, I’m sure the Pres is “working” - working his jaw devouring a stack of Quarter Pounders; working his stubby little fingers tweeting out ALL CAPS BULLSHIT; working his vocal cords yelling at the TV, or his staffers, or Lindsey Graham…..

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:36:37am

Trump lives in the fever swamps of the right wing conspiracy theories - his buddies include Alex Jones, and Trump regularly normalizes those conspiracy theories via Fox.

It’s a circle of derp, and it included this bulkshit about Bidens needing to be investigated in the first place. But once Trump set up the meeting to extort Ukrainian leader Zelinsky into investigating Bidens before they could get nearly $400 million in withheld military aid, the elements of the crime of extortion of a foreign leader were met.

Trump withheld the aid, despite Ukraine’s dire need for it. This withholding of aid hampered Ukraine’s security, which was under assault thanks to Russia’s occupation of Ukrainian territory and ongoing conflict with Russia. The beneficiary of withholding the aid is once again Russia. Trump’s foreign actions all seem to benefit none other than Russia. This is no coincidence.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:37:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:37:42am

re: #170 teleskiguy

“White House Press Sec. Grisham says President Trump is currently not watching the impeachment hearing: “He is in the Oval Office in meetings. He is working.”

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:38:51am

We remember being told that Trump was working during previous open hearings, only to then watch him freak the fuck out within seconds of major revelations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:39:02am

re: #178 Targetpractice

“Ambassador Taylor, please read the following”
“Congressman?”
“Just read it. Please.”
“Rich, Corinthian leather…”

Two Corinthians leather

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:40:11am

He’s retweeting his favorite lickspittles.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:41:21am

re: #197 teleskiguy

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He’s retweeting his favorite lickspittles.

Well, considering the revelations we’ve had that he can’t even attend a briefing unless it’s Powerpoint with as few words as possible, I suppose he could be “working” while he’s retweeting.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:41:22am

Did Trump throw his unsecured phone at the wall yet?

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:41:56am

LIDDLE SANITY BREAK

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:41:58am

Multichannel impeachment investigations:

On top of the public hearings, we’re going to get another round of closed door testimony, including from one who previously refused to testify.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:43:16am

re: #180 makeitstop

Taylor testifying that the President of the United States ordered the President of Ukraine to go to a microphone and announce an investigation into Joe Biden.

Trump could have asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of corrupt activities and had the Bidens mentioned prominently, but that would have been too subtle for the wrecking ball with a combover

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:43:19am

Man, Schiff is fucking good.

Handing off to the staff counsel.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:43:25am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:44:11am

re: #204 Targetpractice

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FNC really likes to insult their viewers limited intelligence.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:44:27am
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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:44:49am

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did Trump throw his unsecured phone at the wall yet?

He’s probably got a case of them stashed behind his desk: a personal present from President Xi (customized with Trump’s face as the default screensaver)…

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:45:04am

What Trump and the know nothing GOPers are watching on Fox, versus what everyone else can see via networks like MSNBC:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:46:01am

re: #208 lawhawk

What Trump and the know nothing GOPers are watching on Fox, versus what everyone else can see via networks like MSNBC:

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for chryon out loud…

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Interesting Times  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:47:03am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:47:52am

re: #197 teleskiguy

He’s retweeting his favorite lickspittles.

“He’s not watching, he’s working, I mean tweeting, which is working, which is watching.”

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:48:04am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

for chryon out loud…

Fox bring up Benghazi yet?

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:48:33am

Throwing around everything but the kitchen sink, and they’re about to fling that through the sliding glass door.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:50:22am

This counsel is asking all the right questions - laying out that the Trump admin’s behavior runs counter to American ideals and foreign policy goals. And Democracy itself.

This is incredible.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:51:03am

re: #213 teleskiguy

Throwing around everything but the kitchen sink, and they’re about to fling that through the sliding glass door.

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Uh huh. Why do I think it’s far more likely Brandon fucks kids?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:51:19am

re: #214 makeitstop

This counsel is asking all the right questions - laying out that the Trump admin’s behavior runs counter to American ideals and foreign policy goals. And Democracy itself.

This is incredible.

yes, but Schiff fucks kids in the basement of a pizzeria

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:52:14am

They call this a witch hunt but they want an actual witch-hunt against Trump’s critics.

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Jay C  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:52:21am

re: #213 teleskiguy

Throwing around everything but the kitchen sink, and they’re about to fling that through the sliding glass door.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the Committee GOPers brings this guy up at today’s hearings (or tries to get him in as an “expert witness”)…

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:52:38am

Fuck, Taylor took notes on everything.

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fern01  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:52:42am

I find it slightly confusing going from one person to the other. Would rather have one person testifying at a time.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:53:12am

re: #219 makeitstop

Fuck, Taylor took notes on everything.

This was the WH’s worst fear: receipts.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:53:40am

re: #163 gocart mozart

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As I stated earlier, I like it.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:53:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:54:12am

re: #223 jaunte

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Sure Mark.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:55:30am

Goalposts rapidly shifting to directly seeing and hearing Trump do crimes.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:55:42am

re: #221 Targetpractice

This was the WH’s worst fear: receipts.

The mafia doesn’t have professional stenographers on the payroll. Fuckface Von Clownstick is famously contemptuous of note takers.

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lawhawk  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:55:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:57:09am

re: #225 jaunte

Goalposts rapidly shifting to directly seeing and hearing Trump do crimes.

5th Avenue scenario

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:57:40am

I have a lot of respect for Jerry Nadler…but this is the sort of hearings we needed months ago. Can you imagine how much of a shitshow this would be right now if it had stayed to the “5 minutes of questioning, 5 minutes of theatrics” format of Judiciary hearings?

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:58:54am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 13, 2019 • 8:59:09am

re: #147 lawhawk

That’s the point. Everyone was involved. Everyone knew, and not a single one of those fuckers realized what was being asked was criminal conduct, or they didn’t care, or thought they weren’t going to get caught…

Party above nation.
Destroy functioning government and institutions so that the privileged few can enrich themselves on backs of everyone else.

They know they are serving Russia’s interests. They don’t care about criminal conduct and this isn’t just party above nation — it’s a foreign power above nation — i.e. Russia above America. They are doing this willingly and are totally disloyal to America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:00:14am

re: #231 Hecuba’s daughter

They know they are serving Russia’s interests. They don’t care about criminal conduct and this isn’t just party above nation — it’s a foreign power above nation — i.e. Russia above America. They are doing this willingly and are totally disloyal to America.

They are serving their own interests, which is keeping all that kompromat from seeing the light of day.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:00:22am

They’re going to ride into Crazytown the hard way.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:00:33am

Absolutely damning.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:00:47am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:01:26am

re: #131 i(m)p(each)sos

Not to alarm anyone, but RBG missed arguments this morning at SCOTUS and the court says she was home ill.

Get well soon, champion of justice.
A reminder: Sometimes beauty is NOT just skin deep. RBG at Cornell, 1954:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cornell ‘54
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:01:41am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:01:41am

re: #230 teleskiguy

There are some fantastic replies to that tweet.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:02:28am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:02:29am

Quid Pro Quo

Stalemate - “which means the assistance wouldnt be coming”

small point, i wish taylor would stop saying ‘transcript’

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:03:26am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:03:42am

re: #239 teleskiguy

“Hakuna Matata is a destructive socialist fantasy.”

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:04:14am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:05:04am

Counsel making the point, again and again, that there would be no money to Ukraine without an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.

Smart. Nailing down that point from a number of angles.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:05:36am

//re: #243 teleskiguy

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So where are your facts Lee? Nowhere. All you do is repeat Trump talking points. You’re an embarrassment to the people’s House.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:07:05am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:07:27am

re: #244 makeitstop

Counsel making the point, again and again, that there would be no money to Ukraine without an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.

Smart. Nailing down that point from a number of angles.

The Simpsons-Bart-It’s my job to be repetitive.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:10:00am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:10:46am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:11:20am

I don’t know if I’m going to have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Republican section of questioning.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:12:05am

re: #249 Targetpractice

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Not disputing the facts I see. Facts may not be Trumps Nuremberg rallies but they are facts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:12:40am

re: #250 BeachDem

I don’t know if I’m going to have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Republican section of questioning.

I’m hoping for a high number of own goals.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:13:13am

re: #250 BeachDem

I don’t know if I’m going to have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Republican section of questioning.

i’ll give em 10 minutes to see if there’s any ‘there’ there

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:13:35am

“I want to read from the transcript, as we’ve been encouraged to do…”

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:14:47am

re: #250 BeachDem

I don’t know if I’m going to have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Republican section of questioning.

I expect a replay of what we’ve seen in the transcripts of the closed door hearings: Repeated efforts to float the Biden/DNC server BS while also trying to get Kent and Taylor on record as saying that Ukraine is corrupt and so Trump was right to withhold money unless he got a commitment to combat “corruption.”

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:16:02am
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:16:47am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Hopefully, the White House staff had the foresight to buy Depends by the pallet.

I think David Vitter had some leftovers.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:18:40am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:20:38am

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m hoping for a high number of own goals.

My fear is that the Clown Car will give the media the soundbytes they so crave, downplaying the actual information the Dems are bringing out, per fucking Brian Stetler’s Sunday comment:

“I also think, episode one so to speak, matters a lot, and I hate to say that because we’re talking about basic democracy at risk here. But from a television perspective, Democrats have to come out strong in that first episode,” Stelter said Sunday on CNN. “For the same reason when we’re watching Netflix or listening to a new podcast, we only choose to keep listening if we’re interested in episode one.”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:21:07am

Everybody take their Tums and Excedrin. It’s about to get real….

Crazy that is.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:21:33am

Five minute recess, then the clown squad takes over.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:23:05am

Taylor and Kent made themselves effectively unimpeachable in their testimony. Which means we’re about to get 45 minutes of conspiracy theories and ad hominem attacks.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:24:51am

Man, this guy in charge of spin is yammering and sweating.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:25:17am

On C-span there’s some whitebread Republican from the committee with a “folksy” accent saying that everything was hearsay. Which I don’t think mean what he thinks it means.

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:25:17am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:25:28am

I’ll predict right now that before the Repub 45 minutes are up, we’ll hear about how both men are really part of the “deep state” that’s working to undermine Trump’s foreign policy because if they’re weren’t, they wouldn’t have questioned his actions or threatened to resign rather than carrying out his orders faithfully.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:25:52am

Who gives a fuck what Mark Meadows has to say? Couldn’t they have found something more important to cover during the break? How to make an omelette or similar?

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:26:35am

re: #267 BeachDem

Who gives a fuck what Mark Meadows has to say? Couldn’t they have found something more important to cover during the break? How to make an omelette or similar?

I can make an omelette but I’ve never been real clear on how to poach eggs…

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gocart mozart  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:28:12am
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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:28:13am

‘I’m not here to question anyone’s motives…’

Not two seconds after questioning Taylor’s motives.

Jesus, Meadows is a dumb motherfucker.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:28:21am

re: #268 KGxvi

I can make an omelette but I’ve never been real clear on how to poach eggs

The key is a liberal amount of vinegar in the boiling water.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:29:06am
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Skip Intro  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:29:16am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:29:34am

re: #269 gocart mozart

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I’m probably to Warren’s center on spending but I’ll take her and her approach of the Jacobin:Sanderistas.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:31:00am

re: #82 i(m)p(each)sos

Why in holy hell aren’t there some protesters in there mooing at Nunes? Well worth getting tossed out for, just to fluster Cow Boy.

Schiff to Nunes: “Don’t have a cow, man!”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:31:09am

Meadows is such a clown.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:31:19am

So, after the clowns pose their “very important questions” will CBS devote this kind of time to Democratic responses as they are to Meadows’ bullshit?

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:32:27am

Crazy that no one seems to be able to highlight the “contradictory evidence” that Meadows references?

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:32:39am

CUT HIS FUCKING MIC!

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:32:39am

Meadows picking fights with reporters.

Still no defense of Trump’s treason. Not helping his side here.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:33:20am

An impression of Mark Meadows.

Giphy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:34:36am

re: #259 BeachDem

My fear is that the Clown Car will give the media the soundbytes they so crave, downplaying the actual information the Dems are bringing out, per fucking Brian Stetler’s Sunday comment:

“I also think, episode one so to speak, matters a lot, and I hate to say that because we’re talking about basic democracy at risk here. But from a television perspective, Democrats have to come out strong in that first episode,” Stelter said Sunday on CNN. “For the same reason when we’re watching Netflix or listening to a new podcast, we only choose to keep listening if we’re interested in episode one.”

I agree. I hate soundbite Democracy but this is one area the Democrats have to fight fire with fire lest they allow the GOP to control the narrative yet again.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:34:48am
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jeffreyw  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:34:59am

It will not matter if Trump upended decades of US foreign policy. Trump makes the policy, the election win and the Constitution give him that right. The Republicans will pound on that if they are smart. It is the bribery and extortion that damns him. They will try either to not mention, or to conflate those things. That is the heart of the Ukraine issue.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:35:03am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree. I hate soundbite Democracy but this is one area the Democrats have to fire to fight fire with fire lest they allow the GOP to control the narrative yet again.

Gotta win the battle online too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:35:43am

re: #283 Charles Johnson

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He really is clueless.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:36:14am

In other legislative news.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:37:10am

re: #287 teleskiguy

In other legislative news.

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Good news.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:37:30am

Many here have talked about how never Trumpers such as Conway support Trump’s policies but not his style. While that may be true about domestic policies, most are fierce opponents of his foreign policies. I suspect that is the main reason Conway detests him; it certainly is for Joe Walsh and Bill Kristol. Whatever else you have to say about them, they believe and want the United States to be the dominant world power and to a person they hate Putin and Russia.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:37:32am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:38:05am

Do you think the GOP understands that a statement from a party opponent is not hearsay?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:38:39am

re: #291 Mike Lamb

Do you think the GOP understands that a statement from a party opponent is not hearsay?

Yes. Do I think the GOP base does? No.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:38:46am

re: #270 makeitstop

‘I’m not here to question anyone’s motives…’

Not two seconds after questioning Taylor’s motives.

Jesus, Meadows is a dumb motherfucker.

He’s counting on Fox to only show part of his statement.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:39:58am

And CNN already amplifying the “boring” talking point. Arrrgggh

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Mike Lamb  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:40:03am

This commentator thinks that it’s a “solid position” that the President can withhold aid for any reason? What?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:42:08am

re: #289 Hecuba’s daughter

Many here have talked about how never Trumpers such as Conway support Trump’s policies but not his style. While that may be true about domestic policies, most are fierce opponents of his foreign policies. I suspect that is the main reason Conway detests him; it certainly is for Joe Walsh and Bill Kristol. Whatever else you have to say about them, they believe and want the United States to be the dominant world power and to a person they hate Putin and Russia.

Fair points but you have to understand why these guys aren’t trusted too. Walsh was a huge birther who questioned Obama’s American identity and Kristol was an architect of some very bad foreign policy.

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makeitstop  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:42:38am

re: #295 Mike Lamb

This commentator thinks that it’s a “solid position” that the President can withhold aid for any reason? What?

The problem I had with that whole line of bullshit is that she’s taking the line that since the aid went through and no announcement came from Ukraine, that there was no crime.

Has she never heard of attempted robbery or attempted murder??

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:43:23am

re: #295 Mike Lamb

This commentator thinks that it’s a “solid position” that the President can withhold aid for any reason? What?

Who is she? She’s extremely annoying, both in what she says and her hair flipping.

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KGxvi  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:43:43am

re: #284 jeffreyw

It will not matter if Trump upended decades of US foreign policy. Trump makes the policy, the election win and the Constitution give him that right. The Republicans will pound on that if they are smart. It is the bribery and extortion that damns him. They will try either to not mention, or to conflate those things. That is the heart of the Ukraine issue.

Agreed. Those favoring impeachment need to point out the distinction between the person holding the office and the office when it comes to the presidency. The president, as an official, has a fiduciary duty to put the interests of the United States above his own. Trump corrupted foreign policy by putting his own interests above those of the nation. Taylor (I think it was Taylor, I was driving), in his opening statement made a compelling case for why aide to Ukraine was in the US national interests, we need to pound that point home repeatedly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:43:43am

Jeffrey Dahmer: “No cannibalism. No cannibalism.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:44:07am

re: #294 BeachDem

And CNN already amplifying the “boring” talking point. Arrrgggh

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You know what’s boring? The same old Trump rally where the orange shitgibbon cries about the media and how he’s the greatest ever. Facts may not be sexy but they remain facts and the fact is Trump engaged in bribery and extortion to a vulnerable ally in exchange for knocking off a rival.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:44:39am

re: #300 GlutenFreeJesus

Jeffrey Dahmer: “No cannibalism. No cannibalism.”

No one saw me take a bite!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:46:27am

re: #290 teleskiguy

It’s all fun and games until martial law is declared, a curfew is imposed, foreign media is expelled, the Internet is taken offline and the PLA rolls in with APC’s and tanks and begins “restoring order”.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:47:17am

re: #300 GlutenFreeJesus

Jeffrey Dahmer: “No cannibalism. No cannibalism.”

“You’re the cannibal.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 13, 2019 • 9:50:51am

re: #267 BeachDem

Who gives a fuck what Mark Meadows has to say? Couldn’t they have found something more important to cover during the break? How to make an omelette or similar?

Performing your own colorectal exam at home would be more useful.


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